Ukroboronprom: "Getman Sagaidachny" will be upgraded

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine instructed the state concern "Ukroboronprom" to develop a project to modernize the country's flagship Navy "Hetman Sagaidachny", reports Look with reference to the press service of the concern.

“The“ Shipbuilding Experimental Design Center ”, which is part of the state concern Ukroboronprom, will develop a technical project for the modernization of the Getman Sagaidachny frigate. The enterprise signed the corresponding contract with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, ”the release says.

“It is planned to modernize the technical means of the ship. This will prolong its service life, improve combat capability, and improve the living and service conditions of the personnel, ”the press service noted.

Earlier it was reported that the shipbuilding plant named after the Communist 61 in Nikolaev will be engaged in repairing the ship.

Help newspaper: "The flagship of the Ukrainian Navy frigate" Hetman Sagaidachny "was named in honor of Hetman Petr Kononovich Konashevich-Sagaidachny. Laid as a patrol ship of the project 11351 "Nerei" ».

Comments

[samoletil18]

And where will you get the money, brothers?

[kodxnumx]

And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: kod3001

And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.

And there, either the padishah will die, or the donkey Senya will die, but they will cut it on anyone, well, at least something.

[Baikal]

Getman Sagaidachny will be modernized

I have long said that he needs oars.

[crumb]

it will definitely be like in the movie "WATER WORLD" a tanker on oars !!!!

[vadson]

yes paint it and that’s it

[Baikal]

By the way, I would like to remind once again what a person is famous for,
whose name crippled the fate of the glorious ship:

- came to power in the Cossacks and put things in order, eliminating partisanism and forbidding thumping in campaigns;
- together with the Poles went to Moscow;
- got a lyule;
- returned part of the Cossacks to forced Poland;
- wanted to enter the service of the Russian tsar with the aim of shaking the Turks, but was politely sent;
- having fallen in love with power, the Cossacks in his absence provoked a war between Poland and Turkey, as a result of which the Poles raked the very tomatoes;
- after this, it advantageously fished out the recognition of the Poles to consolidate the command of the Hetman of the Cossacks over Little Russia;
- The Poles nodded and sent the character to the war with Turkey, where the subject and lay down.

[hrapon]

Quote: vadson

yes paint it and that’s it

I even know what color ....

[cap]

Quote: croche

it will definitely be like in the movie "WATER WORLD" a tanker on oars !!!!

There "modernization" failed if you remember

[Lukich]

Quote: Baikal

I have long said that he needs oars.

and sails

[SveTok]

Most likely the wheels with the trailer are more suitable for him.

[BMP-2]

No, oars - this is not fashionable now. Traditionally, nets from beds will be welded (to increase armor protection) and hang up with rubbish bins (for unsinkability). However, the additional unsinkability is clearly superfluous to him - it does not sink anyway.

[Alexs1833]

yeah and fart thrust

[Darkmor]

instructed the Ukroboronprom state concern to develop a modernization project

Rather, the project sawed money.

Ukraine is not able to modernize a ship of this class on its own. Even if we put the question of money out of brackets - look at their missile cruiser "Ukraine".
Perhaps they can patch up the engine and the body, although looking at how rapidly the industry is collapsing, even this raises questions.

[Konar]

Let them upgrade, spend money better on this ship, which they will not need, than on tanks for the Donbass.

[cniza]

The main thing is to declare, but not necessarily.

[Ros 56]

Quote: cniza

The main thing is to declare, but not necessarily

At least there are files, but then what will they update?

[aba]

spend money better on this ship, which they do not need

Why not come in handy ?! But they want to return the Crimea, so it is necessary to give a naval battle, and without it there is no Crimea for them.

[northern]

how many cells does this vessel occupy?

[APASUS]

Quote: Darkmor

instructed the Ukroboronprom state concern to develop a modernization project

Rather, the project sawed money.

Ukraine is not able to modernize a ship of this class on its own. Even if we put the question of money out of brackets - look at their missile cruiser "Ukraine".
Perhaps they can patch up the engine and the body, although looking at how rapidly the industry is collapsing, even this raises questions.

And try to look at this repair from the side of cost savings.
The country cannot contain the fleet, but they cannot say it openly. They simply withdraw for repairs where there are no funds in advance.

[veksha50]

Quote: Darkmor

Perhaps they can knock out the engine and body,

Hmm ... There, in the context of modernization, it was announced "improvement of living conditions for personnel" ...
To put a compact smokehouse for fat in the galley - modernization will succeed ...
And to her - a small distillery - now there are so many of them sold ... After taking a certain dose - any fleet of the enemy can’t do anything, and any sea will be knee-deep ...

[voronbel53]

The main thing is to putty the body so that it reaches the next overhaul - it did not sink. And as for the team, it’s more difficult, they can’t even promise a torch in the current season, not to mention lard, although Parashenko is much more promising, but who will fulfill it? ..

[Lukich]

Quote: veksha50

To put a compact smokehouse for fat in the galley - modernization will succeed ...
And to her - a small distillery - now there are so many of them sold ...

Well, the line for the production of sweets from Poroshenko

[Alexander Romanov]

ship repair will be engaged in "Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 communards in Nikolaev.
there are no words

[Altona]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

ship repair will be engaged in "Shipyard named after 61 Communards" in Nikolaev.
there are no words

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Why not "Lenin's Forge"?))

[torp]

Lenin smithy, put into scrap metal according to the law of one-communization!

[Lukich]

Quote: Altona

Why not "Lenin's Forge"?))

parashengka has a plant with some similar name

[zennon]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

ship repair will be engaged in "Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 communards in Nikolaev.
there are no words

Omission: It is necessary to rename in the name of Stepan Bandera.

[Lukich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

ship repair will be engaged in "Shipyard named after 61 Communards" in Nikolaev.

right. renamed the plant them. Bandera will say that they didn’t see any hetmans and received no money

[WKS]

All modernization will be reduced to installing T64 towers on the deck.

[samoletil18]

Quote: wks

All modernization will be reduced to installing T64 towers on the deck.

Flips over. Only from the PT-76, in the submerged state it will look more logical.

[-Patriot-]

+ 100500!!!

[Altona]

Quote: kod3001

And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.

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Aha, and then this miracle will be called "Poroshenko's cruiser" or "Roshen frigate".

[Lukich]

Quote: Altona

Aha, and then this miracle will be called "Poroshenko's cruiser" or "Roshen frigate".

they will call the name of the one who hates the most hryvnias from him

[Aryan]

if they want to extend the shelf life, let them put it in the refrigerator!

[zennon]

Quote: kod3001

And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.

He himself was built in 1992. Soon after a quarter of a century, he was still 10-12 years old ...

[northern]

Quote: kod3001

And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.

welded to the pier, like that submarine, you look and will not sink

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I think pre-sale preparation will be done ...

[NIKNN]

Quote: MIKHAN

I think pre-sale preparation will be done ...

No, this is a good reason (pont) to put in a joke, there is no money either for repairs or for operation.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: NIKNN

No, this is a good reason (pont) to put in a joke, there is no money either for repairs or for operation.

Not. There was information that the flagship of the Navy Ukarins plan to transfer to the border guards in two years. Actually, after this transfer Khokhlo-Fleet will cease to exist - there will be no more or less serious ships.

[Gormenghast]

Exactly; there was such information. Getman - the flagship of the Navy, which are not. Accordingly, it is reasonable not to drive the show off, but to hand it over to the border guards; all will be of some use.

This is provided that the ship in two years does not fall apart at all.

[Altona]

Quote: Gormengast

. Hetman - the flagship of the Navy, which are not.

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But there are admirals ... Or what are they called there now?)))

[Castor]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Khokhlo-Fleet will cease to exist

Do not stop, just become like the Bolivian Navy. (Who does not know - Google to help).

[Corporal Valera]

I think it will be something like this

[spech]

I think it will be something like this

Nuclear

[olegkrava]

NOT, NUCLEAR!

[northern]

moreover, all this splendor will be from only one, "front" side :-)))

[Lukich]

Quote: Corporal Valera

I think it will be something like this

it is only half. oars and sails have not yet attached

[Alexs1833]

yes it's straight ship dream

[Lukich]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Actually, after this transfer Khokhlo-Fleet will cease to exist - there will be no more or less serious ships.

[Orionvit]

Welded to the pier, so that he would not drown. Like a submarine "Zaporozhye"

[serkhan]

Yes, no, the current Ministry of Defense of Ukraine can only give the opportunity to patch up the ship to swim to the coast of the Crimea and in a fleeting battle to sink it to the glory of Ukraine.

[vlad66]

Quote: samoletil18

And where will you get the money, brothers?

They always have a lot of plans and admirals, it’s a pity, it looks like the ship will be sold or sold on needles. And they put it on modernization in August 2015, now they adopted the modernization plan in 2016.

[Egoza]

Quote: vlad66

They always have a lot of plans and admirals, it’s a pity, it looks like the ship will be put into needles or sold.

"The community in Ukraine suddenly took up the topic with fervor - the state and prospects of the country's naval forces.
The discussion was initiated by the commander of the Navy, Vice Admiral Sergey Gaiduk. At a meeting with reporters in Odessa, he openly admitted for a long time that was obvious not only to him: in a few years, the remnants of the fleet under his command, by themselves, without a fight, would quietly “give their ends” right at the quays.
Since the "resource of the vast majority of ships and vessels comes to an end" and they have to be written off "on needles" one after another every year.
And about the fact that today in the 13 admiral and general posts in the Navy there are only four warships, of which one is the middle landing ship (we will leave auxiliary vessels and boats outside the brackets). And about the fact that the very “youngest” of them - the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny" - is already a quarter century old, and his technical condition is such that it is not safe to leave the Bosphorus for his own crew.
Therefore, Gaiduk offered his vision of overcoming the crisis. It is necessary, he believes, to urgently form a powerful “maritime lobby” in Ukraine. To explain to politicians in Kiev that "the status of a sea power is not an end in itself, but an important factor in the country's economic and defense power."
That is, Gaiduk believes that the Ukrainian Navy should reach such a level in the future to be able to establish full and unconditional control over the surface, underwater and air situation where they need it. Not everywhere, but at least in the Odessa region, which today is the main base of the Ukrainian Navy. "
Zhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh
In short, GIVE MONEY! Admirals do not want to shrink!

[Karayakupovo]

Dear Egoza. You mean that KFOR, which in 2010 almost drowned when he went to the Turks for batteries for the submarine "Zaporozhye". I was then undergoing repairs at dock 30 in Sevastopol and I remember this incident.

[kotvov]

who nearly drowned in 2010 when he went to the Turks,
then I walked, and now it’s worth it, you feel the difference? and if you stretch it out, where it’s smaller, then it will stand idle for a long time.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: kotvov

when I went to the Turks

Yes, he never went after 1992, just swam.

[Karayakupovo]

In general, I mentioned the landing ship. And about "Sagaidachny", so in 2008, during the joint exercises "Sea Breeze" with NATO ships, he stalled

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: vlad66

The discussion was initiated by the commander of the Navy, Vice Admiral Sergei Gaiduk.
Today, 13 admiral and general positions in the Navy have only four warships, of which one is the middle landing ship (we will leave the auxiliary vessels and boats outside the brackets).
In short, GIVE MONEY! Admirals do not want to shrink!

As the ancients said - "seek who benefits." Your conclusions are absolutely correct, no one except admirals and generals, who have no one to command, needs the Ukrainian fleet. Where will this fleet go, what is it for? According to their status, they do not have a fleet, as well as a normal president, government and authorities. The Americans think for them, decide for them, they will fight for Ukrainians. And the Americans have everything in order with the fleet.

[vlad66]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

The Americans think for them, decide, they will fight for Ukrainians.

Mikhail thinks, decides for them, they donate little money for them so that they don’t die ahead of time, but they are unlikely to fight for Ukraine, because they don’t need this jumping horse race, they need cannon fodder that they will drive ahead of themselves.

[Lukich]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

The Americans think for them, decide, they will fight for Ukrainians.

but this is not a fact. weapons may help, but they will not butt

[your1970]

to be able to install full и unconditional control for surface, underwater and air conditions where they need it. Not everywhere but at least in the Odessa region, which today is the main base of the Navy.

translated into a text for normal people - "We are here, a little, near the house, SCARY AND POWERFUL, and on the next street there are bad boys - they beat us, take money away, force them to fulfill their desires and vaabsche ..."

[svp67]

Quote: Egoza

Start of discussion

Yes, yes ... I remember they offered to ask a dozen old American or English warships to ask the Master, but he only agreed to inflatable boats ...

[Lukich]

Quote: svp67

but he only agreed to inflatable boats ...

and allocated as many as six pieces

[Altona]

Quote: Egoza

That is, Gaiduk believes that the Ukrainian Navy should reach such a level in the future to be able to establish full and unconditional control over the surface, underwater and air situation where they need it. Not everywhere, but at least in the Odessa region, which today is the main base of the Ukrainian Navy. "

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Aha, this naval microbe, called a frigate against the background of any modern cargo ship that is unloaded in Odessa, looks like a bug. He may not even be noticed, despite the brilliance of the crew’s shoulder straps.

[Castor]

Quote: vlad66

And they put it on modernization in August 2015, now the modernization plan has been adopted in 2016.

Therefore, in 2015, the modernization was unplanned.

[The black]

Money is MANDATORY !!! They will find it. After all, the main thing is to start ... and then, as with the "great wall of the egg-lover." In general, someone will not even warm up badly on "modernization"

[northern]

in the end, how many meters did they master this great wall?

[Tersky]

Quote: samoletil18

And where will you get the money, brothers?

You misunderstood the message of the Urkainy Ministry of Defense, here everything is exactly the opposite - all this tops with modernization is just started for and for the sake of money. Well, what kind of "mudernizators" they are, it is enough to recall submarine "Zaporozhye"

[Misha Honest]

Yeah, upgrade it to the state of scrap metal

[-Patriot-]

fat will be sold to Russia ...

[Finntroll]

In order to weld rails to the pier a lot of money is not necessary

[Lukich]

Quote: FinnTroll

In order to weld rails to the pier a lot of money is not necessary

and who will weld? all cadres have long fled to work abroad. only the horses remained. but they are of little use

[ydjin]

Quote: samoletil18

And where will you get the money, brothers?

What a country, such a flagship! Soon they will switch to pidvodnye chovny!

[Juborg]

Zavodik then this prazadensky, again prazedant of all Ukraine, the budgetary will put in his pocket.

[your1970]

It’s like !!! And the people wrinkle their turnip-modernization: what if the truth is something serious?
And here everything is simple, but tasteful: 1) money in the pocket of an authorized person, 2) "The master provided us with an order and salary !!!! URYA !!!", 3) The naval commanders will again support (no joke - as many as 13 pieces !!!!), 4) .....
Stop! And they are not confused by some unpleasant number -13 ???
Either the whole fleet will sink, again it’s more convenient to divide / share on 12, or one of them (or even all at once!) Will sell the 404 country with giblets, or he will kiss Petya in necessary moment - when will they come...

ZY No direct comparisons of Petit with I.Kh. - not that person, there will be no resurrection

[Sobol]

Quote: samoletil18

And where will you get the money, brothers?

But you don’t need much money for oars!

[pest]

It is necessary on their public procurement website to see if a tender has been announced for the procurement of scrap metal 5a and then exported from the repair dock for re-melting to a thread in Europe.

[askort154]

samoletil18] And where will you get the money, brothers?

I think that the volunteers will drop into the yellow barrel and the blue paint barrel.
This will be the whole modernization.

[Maxom75]

Americans will give, though there will not be much sense.

[torp]

Collected by sms, and the modernization will consist in painting everything and everything in yellow color, submit it to the farba !!!

[Dmitry_24rus]

And it seems to me great news, it will never go out of repair already ..

[VP]

Well, they scraped up the project.
Probably.
But on the modernization itself ... By then it will become irrelevant.
Classic "Padishah - donkey"

[_my opinion]

Quote: samoletil18

And where will you get the money, brothers?

so it's only project modernization ...
on this, it will end, and Svidomo will have another illusion ... a reason for jumping

[Sharky]

We bet this modernization news never materializes! And it's good ... that it won't come true. Adequacy has not been noticed by the ukrovlast ... It is dangerous to give them weapons. Better to moor him next to the submarine submarine "Zaporozhye" and he will quietly rot there.

[Ami du peuple]

It is planned to upgrade the technical means of the ship. This will extend its life

Will they put the masts and sailing rigging? "The wind inflates the snow-white sails, the zhovto-blakitny prapor proudly flies, powerfully cuts the" Saiga dacha "water Of the Black Sea Dniester estuary. "Rr-romance ...

[Persistent]

Masts and sailing rigging or something to put?

Holes will be cut into the sides and the oars stuck !!!!

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Persistent

Holes cut in the sides

Fu, how vulgar your "holes" are. Tell the portholes to be made and used for rowing. Double benefit.

[Mordvin 3]

There are problems with heating elements in the galley.

[GRAY]

Quote: Mordvin 3

There are problems with heating elements in the galley.

TENY is a relic of the damned scoop and they have no place on the flagship of the Ukrainian fleet.
In the galley of the famous ship will be installed racially faithful Yuzhmashevsky furnaces operating on the cleanest Ukrainian dung, which will be produced by the team's own forces.

Those who hand over the product are secondary - they dine well!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Masts and sailing rigging or something to put?

No, they plan to convert the Saiga into a submarine.

[Castor]

Quote: Vladimirets

"Saiga" is planned to be converted into a submarine.

Disposable, of course?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Castor

Disposable, of course?

In the terms of reference it is written about the possibility of immersion, about surfacing no.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Ami du peuple

No, they plan to convert the Saiga into a submarine.

With this we can help them. It’ll go under the water like an ax! Whether it will come up later, one cannot say with confidence :)

[rotmistr60]

to develop a project to modernize the flagship of the country's Navy Getman Sagaidachnogo

Until the project is developed, then they stall on modernization, it means that modern Ukraine will not see its "flagship" in the near future. It is possible that in a year or two, modernization will not be needed.

[Phantom Revolution]

They will write down the characteristics of the "Cruiser Moskva" or similar classes of ships, they will ask for the corresponding money and the Yatsinyuk and Poroshenko will improve their economic indicators, and the project will most likely suffer the fate of the underwater flagship of the Ukrainian fleet, the Black Sea submarine aircraft carrier Zaporozhye.)

[BLOND]

and in about five years "Sagaidachny" ... will be like in an ancient anecdote:
"Apartment for sale prepared for renovation!"

[wandlitz]

Ukroboronprom: "Getman Sagaidachny" will be upgraded, yeah, similar to the unfinished "Varyag" ...

[gukoyan]

That they said so, for the next money exhaustion, there will be no modernization in any way.

[Eastern wind]

Chechvostit these modernizers will not - and without me enough of that. I have a purely pragmatic question - for the solution of which tasks will this watchdog be used and as part of which group?

[kostya-petrov]

Quote: East Wind

What particular tasks will this watchdog be used to solve and in which group?

in general, I think, give this "Nereus" to the border guards. But you are essentially right, there is no KUG, what tasks will it perform, where to go? If only to drive pirates to the Gulf of Aden, that's all.

[kostya-petrov]

The shock capabilities of this frigate will not increase.
PLO will also remain the same. In general, how did this project show itself before, and what can be upgraded there specifically for all ship systems?

[BAT]

Something tells me that all this modernization will only be on paper and in slogans. Just as it was with the great Ukrainian wall. They dug a trench and in some places they put the net ... Most likely their flagship will be modernized in the same way. They will paint over the rust, change the gangway, hang a new flag and update the names on the sides. That's the whole upgrade. And the money, if it is, of course, allocated, cut out and transferred to offshore.

[ilija93]

They will give out personnel vests in a yellow-blue strip and a trident instead of caps to the commanding staff.

[Valdis]

More likely to be sold under a floating brothel in Utrecht.)))))

[lysyj bob]

That's what I understand. Without a single shot, deprive the fleet of "the most powerful army in Europe." And who will restrain aggression on the vast expanses of the sea?

[SIMM]

Powerfully!
And then, you can immediately go to Mars!)))

[tomcat117]

"Shipyard named after 61 Communards" ...

Why is the Khokh.Latian style factory still not renamed?
1.666th Bandera Shipyard (after all, he could "put things in order").
2. Shipbuilding plant named after Sashko Bily (creatively another one).
3. Shipyard "Roshen" (Mr. President would have done it in a moment).
There are a lot of options for creativity and "modernize" your troughs how to do it

[Amurets]

It is cheaper to build a new one, otherwise while this one is being modernized, at "Sagaidachny" something that still holds on to paint and rust, and then it gets lost from old age.

[FIREMAN]

A typical scheme that has been worked out many times over: they will be driven into a "sump" of the type for modernization, everyone will safely forget about it in a couple of years, and then either on needles or they will be driven to someone.

[Sorokin]

Bullshit Whole Fucking. Where will the executive staff get? What will they pay? Who will subscribe to this at all?

[Primus pilus]

There is no special potential for modernization on Sagaidachny. It is better to put money into the completion of the corvette 58250.

[kvs207]

Quote: Egoza

13 admiral and general posts in the Navy today have only four warships,

Such a shortage, the maximum rank of the commander, must have a maximum - captain of the 1st rank, or whatever they have

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

So for sure ... that's what I was thinking about now .... For example ... Fleet Com (aka brigade) cap time, Start headquarters 1-2 rank ... plus the flagship and the beginning. brigade services ...- 2-3 rank .... the pole to the support vessels the same thing to a rank lower ...... Total management- 25-30 people .... and the ship’s composition ..... 5 -6 senior officers and about 20-25 junior ... that's the whole fleet ... the so-called .... One thing is bad ... not enough for world domination

[engineer74]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

... One is bad ... not enough for world domination

"Charter" to help them:

[sabakina]

I’m still thinking, how could Italian directors have foreseen, even then?
Shot from a film about Fantozzi ...

[lysyj bob]

The materialization of thought, however ...

[Mih]

Sobakina, you are magnificent as always !!! My applause.

[lelikas]

Quote: Sorokin

Bullshit Whole Fucking. Where will the executive staff get? What will they pay? Who will subscribe to this at all?

What are you writing? The piglet, however, has a hand-made shipyard - that’s who will get the funds for development.

[Egoza]

Quote: lelikas

The piglet, however, has a hand-made shipbuilding plant - that’s where the funds for development will go.

So he’s kind of in Sevastopol! SHO? Not nationalized yet? Mess, sir gentlemen, officers!

[Sorokin]

Means can go. But what will they do? And will they give? Sevastopol is already ours.

[viktor561]

Why does Ukraine need a navy? There is no base and in the near future will not be!

[Gray 43]

I think that they will want to carry out the modernization abroad, "according to NATO standards", there he will remain, after a sudden sale, they will weld well in case they can exchange them for rubber boats-gas chambers))))

[dosyl]

It’s all gone !!! Khan to the Russian fleet in the Black Sea !!!

[vfqjh]

Ah, ambition, ambition, ambition ... Plans for a scumbag, but the realities are different. With Donbass, then all brains turned, with social programs, etc. , etc. One word, go.

[izya top]

so it seems already? ... in the same place volunteer volunteers bought some kind of used radar from the fishermen

[Pig]

Saw Shura, Saw ...

[33 Watcher]

Since the fall, however, it’s all going ... It was decided to put the unfinished cruiser to scrap. Cause? Does not meet NATO standards (official reason, of course). Does the saiga fit? What a news..! Or did they decide to cut the whole ship? For what? Who will do this? Where? In general, he most likely will not work out the repair. Yes, there he is dear. They do not need a fleet, the borders that remained can be patrolled with elastic bands.

[Kibl]

They will fly along, plug holes in the hull and fill it with RDX to the eyeballs and make a fire brigade from the frigate! That's the whole modernization in Ukrainian!

[tolmachiev51]

What for ??? and who are going to fight with. Idiocy grows stronger !!!

[Riv]

Upgrade to a submarine. Well done, Ukrainians!

[engineer74]

Something strange - not a word about the transfer of the ship to "NATO standards" - ETOGES ZRADA !!!
At least the flight deck was welded like the "Nimitz" ...

[evil partisan]

Not otherwise an aircraft carrier will be made of it. or a helicopter carrier. Under Leo-1.

[TsUS-Air Force]

I wonder if they have anything else left in their navy besides this trough? they need a fleet only so that the parashenka can not be afraid to go to sea

[awersa]

Looks hohloadmiralam again needed money for a cut ...

[rustemkm]

The modernization project includes the installation of oars, sails, gallows on the yoke, as well as a dead man's chest and a bottle of rum!

[Yar Ga]

Immediately under Caliber. Schaub uniformly)))

[Wolka]

the ship’s project is hopelessly out of date, well, it’s impossible to make up a modern long-range cruiser (frigate) from a coastal patrol boat, how to make a 5th generation fighter from a can, in addition, it requires money, and not small (cheaper to build a new ship) which Ukrainians of both are extremely dumb ...

[German Titov]

I am proud of the stolen fleet))). In 2000, in Simeiz, he met with the officer of this glorious ship. So he, bitterly told (with bitterness, because he did not have time to "screw" in 1991 to another fleet), how on the "Hetman Sagaidachny" the MPs of the Verkhovna Rada with glances swam across the Black Sea (just swam), and sailors ran as servants. And I remember (I was a kid) the submarine base in the city of Polyarny. Northern and Pacific Fleets (the strength and pride of Russia).

[bad]

Ukroboronprom: "Getman Sagaidachny" will be upgraded

... fat chtoli anoint him?

[lopvlad]

ship repair will be engaged in "Shipyard named after 61 Communards" in Nikolaev.

there it will be cut into metal and cut together with the cruiser Vkraina.

[Pilot200809]

They will paint in some places the rusty case, hang a new flag, and also record a new phonogram with a dead man’s pen and record money. That's the whole modernization of Saigak Dachny

[Mercenary]

"Hetman Sagaidachny will be modernized"
To the level of kayaks and canoes? As always, they will drive them into the stocks, cut something off and run out of money for a couple of years. And tuk many times until they are pulled to the country!
SALA Ukraine! (Yes, more and free)

[KBR109]

There is no point in talking about a country saiga. Statement on perpetual honorable repair without money. Earlier, there were rumors about the allocation of the United States from the reserve (With conservation) of several frigate-corvette sides for these saigas. Is there anything to hear about this, can anyone in the know?

[Hydrograph]

It seems Ukrainians Brothers like one blood read komenty as if someone broke better off .... better. Well, they want to repair even with kayaks and other rubbish here? You need to worry about your fleet, and for something unfinished, and so on. The word silver is silent gold. They would be silent.

[genzik161]

If my memory serves me right, then this is the third statement on modernization in the past two years.

[fa2998]

Quote: vfqjh

Gramadier’s plans, but the reality is different.

The woman didn’t have any worries — she bought pigs! Well, okay, they’ll go for 10 years, and then what! The ship needs a trained crew, fuel, ammunition and other supplies, etc. Or it will stand at the pier as a symbol of the Ukrainian fleet. So let it be it’s worth-you put it aground and sprinkle it with an excavator for reliability!

[LÄRZ]

Pepper is clear! Fleet flagship - flagship upgrade !! Or maybe they will "modernize" it to the Ukrainian "AURORA"?

[killganoff]

Quote: LÄRZ

Pepper is clear! Fleet flagship - flagship upgrade !! Or maybe they will "modernize" it to the Ukrainian "AURORA"?

They don’t even make a museum, upgrading to the level of the Flagship brothel restaurant.

[gergi]

Hetman will be given a bronze ram! He'll drown everyone, dammit!

[Chulman]

Poor old saiga! He already wants to retire, but everyone drives and drives him!!!

[Warrior05]

Is this a new joke? Or convert it into a submarine and costs at the berth))

[buywol]

Quote: Egoza

the status of a maritime power is not an end in itself, but an important factor in the economic and defense power of the country

WHAT IS THE GOAL, WHAT IS THE IMPORTANT FACTOR? If the GDP decline is 43,7%. People just won't eat shit.

[Prisoner]

What are they going to set the sails on? Nothing else can be thought of. Although a submarine is also an option

[AlexTires]

Well, why not use cold welding and red lead to caulk the leaks and attach oarlocks and oars to the side. Still swimming - the work is only about 200 million... bucks....

[demand1]

Sagaidachny will be modernized into a tin can, and then sold for scrap metal to the Turks - 100% and don’t go to grandma

[SAA]

Well, that’s it, screw Ukroflot. This already happened in the 90s. Now the main thing is that they will be taken out of the “fleet”, and then quietly, with metal, “unknown homeless people” (Yaytsenyukh and Co.) will sell it.

[soroKING]

Quote: rustemkm

The modernization project includes the installation of oars, sails, gallows on the yoke, as well as a dead man's chest and a bottle of rum!

a chest of lard and a bottle of vodka with pepper

[soroKING]

to a submarine is the best option, then sink it out of sight and announce that it has gone on an autonomous voyage...,
and then you look and they forget

[vladimir1958]

Historical reference. Hetman Pyotr Kononovich Konashevich-Sagaidachny, in the interests of Poland, captured many Russian cities, besieged Moscow, and in 1620 already asked to serve the Russian Tsar. Doesn't remind you of anything?

[Weyland]

The frigate "Hetman Sagaidachny" is named after Hetman Pyotr Kononovich Konashevich-Sagaidachny.

Or else... During the campaign of 1618
“And he, Pan Saadachny, came from Cherkasy near the Ukrainian city of Livny, and took Livny by storm, and shed a lot of Christian blood, he flogged many Orthodox peasants and their wives and children innocently, and he committed desecrations against many Orthodox Christians and desecrated and destroyed the churches of God and he plundered all the Christian houses and took many wives and children captive."

A year later, this hero betrayed his own Cossacks:
According to the Rostavitsky Agreement All Cossacks recorded in them over the past five years were to be removed from the registers. The number of registered Cossacks was set at 3 thousand, and all the rest were to return to the rule of the Polish landowners. This agreement caused a storm of indignation among the Cossacks. The dissatisfied were led by Yakov Nerodich-Borodavka, who was proclaimed hetman in December 1619, when Sagaidachny went to fight against the Tatars near Perekop.
To calm down the dissatisfied, Sagaidachny resorted to harsh measures: he burned Cossack boats on the Sich and restored a guard fort on Khortytsia to intercept unauthorized campaigns of the Cossacks

A year later, he tried to betray the Poles by going over to the service of Moscow:
In February 1620, Peter Sagaidachny, not recognizing the election of Wart, sent an embassy to Moscow on his behalf as hetman, headed by Peter Odinets, to express the readiness of the Zaporozhye Cossacks to serve the tsar, as they had previously served his predecessors.

But it didn’t work out - they disdained the censored oaths...

[rapid1934]

IT IS A SINNER TO LAUGH AT THE SICK.
News from the Outskirts has long caused disgusting indifference.
Once again I was surprised at their universal dementia.

[Old26]

Quote: Hydrograph

It seems Ukrainians Brothers like one blood read komenty as if someone broke better off .... better. Well, they want to repair even with kayaks and other rubbish here? You need to worry about your fleet, and for something unfinished, and so on. The word silver is silent gold. They would be silent.

You are right here, comrade. One and a half hundred posts are not discussions, but banter

Quote: kostya-petrov

In general, I think we should give this “Nereus” to the border guards.

And it was designed and built as PSKR. When laid down it was named "Kirov"

Quote: Altona

Aha, this naval microbe, called a frigate against the background of any modern cargo ship that is unloaded in Odessa, looks like a bug. He may not even be noticed, despite the brilliance of the crew’s shoulder straps.

So much contempt and snobbery. This means that a 950-ton river-sea class ship is a ship that, in the opinion of many smart people, is capable of sweeping the American fleet out of the ocean. And a ship with a displacement of 3800 tons is a microbe. Are you aware that we are building for ourselves the same microbes that can be overlooked against the backdrop of dry cargo ships?

Quote: Volka

the ship’s project is hopelessly out of date, well, it’s impossible to make up a modern long-range cruiser (frigate) from a coastal patrol boat, how to make a 5th generation fighter from a can, in addition, it requires money, and not small (cheaper to build a new ship) which Ukrainians of both are extremely dumb ...

Of course it's outdated. Therefore, on the basis of this project we are building our frigates for the Black Sea Fleet. And nothing, we don’t consider them to be of coastal action. Of course, if for you an autonomy of 30 days and a range of 4000 miles is coastal action, then what is 2000 miles and 10 days of autonomy for you? river ship

[liza1999]

They will modernize... They will install armored turrets from garbage containers...

[4ekist]

And what did this hetman Pyotr Kononovich Konashevich-Sagaidachny become famous for? We all know what Mazepa is famous for.

[wanderer987]

Yes, the anchor in their “bay”, let them modernize it, it will rot next to “Ukraine” in Nikolaev, they will let it go to “pins and needles” faster and faster.

[Kuzyakin15]

Genossa, or maybe the Ukrainians and their frigate with modernization?
What's wrong with our fleets? How long does it take for our ships to be built? And how much in quantity? TEARS OF A CAT! But we make fun of crests.
How many ships do we have that can’t wait to be modernized and for how long? And how much money do we make from this? We don't notice this.
We ourselves will soon be on Raptors and rooks on the database. And send Buyans to the Mediterranean and other foreign countries. And the rest will quietly live out their lives right next to the piers. And we will say optimistically, but at least slowly the process is going on. So what, comrades?
Truly, we don’t notice the beam in our own eye!

[bannik]

Saakoshvilenko slipped on the Potemkin stairs, hit his head and strange associations arose in this place. He even remembered the name of the stairs and THAT ship, and he felt unwell. He called the boss and they decided, under the guise of modernization, to cut the “flagship” for scrap metal, and also cut the pennies, because, the devil knows, what kind of meat is thrown into the borscht. Or, at the sight of a warship, will the residents of Odessa suddenly remember their history!?

[Cobra77]

At first I read not “modernized”, but “disposed of”. Apparently the word "Ukroboronprom" confused me....

[sidor-66]

z-d them. 61 Communara. Paired inclined slipways, closer. They are empty, the plant is standing still.

[sidor-66]

To the right of the slipways, near the wall, stands the unfinished missile cruiser Project 1164. In post-Soviet times it was named “Ukraine”, but it is clear that no one completed it.