Military Review

Ukroboronprom: "Getman Sagaidachny" will be upgraded

168
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine instructed the state concern "Ukroboronprom" to develop a project to modernize the country's flagship Navy "Hetman Sagaidachny", reports Look with reference to the press service of the concern.




“The“ Shipbuilding Experimental Design Center ”, which is part of the state concern Ukroboronprom, will develop a technical project for the modernization of the Getman Sagaidachny frigate. The enterprise signed the corresponding contract with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, ”the release says.

“It is planned to modernize the technical means of the ship. This will prolong its service life, improve combat capability, and improve the living and service conditions of the personnel, ”the press service noted.

Earlier it was reported that the shipbuilding plant named after the Communist 61 in Nikolaev will be engaged in repairing the ship.

Help newspaper: "The flagship of the Ukrainian Navy frigate" Hetman Sagaidachny "was named in honor of Hetman Petr Kononovich Konashevich-Sagaidachny. Laid as a patrol ship of the project 11351 "Nerei" ».
Photos used:
http://www.belvpo.com/
168 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. samoletil18
    samoletil18 16 January 2016 10: 48
    42
    And where will you get the money, brothers?
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 16 January 2016 10: 51
      35
      And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 16 January 2016 11: 11
        21
        Quote: kod3001
        And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.


        And there, either the padishah will die, or the donkey Senya will die, but they will cut it on anyone, well, at least something.
        1. Baikal
          Baikal 16 January 2016 11: 21
          48
          Getman Sagaidachny will be modernized

          I have long said that he needs oars.
          1. crumb
            crumb 16 January 2016 13: 10
            11
            it will definitely be like in the movie "WATER WORLD" a tanker on oars !!!! good
            1. vadson
              vadson 16 January 2016 14: 33
              +4
              yes paint it and that’s it
              1. Baikal
                Baikal 16 January 2016 19: 42
                10
                By the way, I would like to remind once again what a person is famous for,
                whose name crippled the fate of the glorious ship:


                - came to power in the Cossacks and put things in order, eliminating partisanism and forbidding thumping in campaigns;
                - together with the Poles went to Moscow;
                - got a lyule;
                - returned part of the Cossacks to forced Poland;
                - wanted to enter the service of the Russian tsar with the aim of shaking the Turks, but was politely sent;
                - having fallen in love with power, the Cossacks in his absence provoked a war between Poland and Turkey, as a result of which the Poles raked the very tomatoes;
                - after this, it advantageously fished out the recognition of the Poles to consolidate the command of the Hetman of the Cossacks over Little Russia;
                - The Poles nodded and sent the character to the war with Turkey, where the subject and lay down.
              2. hrapon
                hrapon 16 January 2016 20: 33
                +1
                Quote: vadson
                yes paint it and that’s it


                I even know what color ....
            2. cap
              cap 16 January 2016 19: 34
              +1
              vm
              Quote: croche
              it will definitely be like in the movie "WATER WORLD" a tanker on oars !!!! good


              There "modernization" failed if you remember laughing
          2. Lukich
            Lukich 16 January 2016 19: 48
            +4
            Quote: Baikal
            I have long said that he needs oars.

            and sails
            1. SveTok
              SveTok 17 January 2016 11: 21
              0
              Most likely the wheels with the trailer are more suitable for him.
          3. BMP-2
            BMP-2 17 January 2016 05: 05
            +1
            No, oars - this is not fashionable now. Traditionally, nets from beds will be welded (to increase armor protection) and hang up with rubbish bins (for unsinkability). However, the additional unsinkability is clearly superfluous to him - it does not sink anyway. laughing
          4. alexs1833
            alexs1833 18 January 2016 00: 25
            0
            yeah and fart thrust laughing
        2. Darkmor
          Darkmor 16 January 2016 11: 31
          14
          instructed the Ukroboronprom state concern to develop a modernization project

          Rather, the project sawed money.

          Ukraine is not able to modernize a ship of this class on its own. Even if we put the question of money out of brackets - look at their missile cruiser "Ukraine".
          Perhaps they can patch up the engine and the body, although looking at how rapidly the industry is collapsing, even this raises questions.
          1. Konar
            Konar 16 January 2016 12: 12
            12
            Let them upgrade, spend money better on this ship, which they will not need, than on tanks for the Donbass.
            1. cniza
              cniza 16 January 2016 12: 42
              10
              The main thing is to declare, but not necessarily. laughing
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 17 January 2016 13: 28
                0
                Quote: cniza
                The main thing is to declare, but not necessarily


                At least there are files, but then what will they update?
            2. aba
              aba 16 January 2016 17: 55
              +3
              spend money better on this ship, which they do not need

              Why not come in handy ?! But they want to return the Crimea, so it is necessary to give a naval battle, and without it there is no Crimea for them. laughing
              1. northern
                northern 16 January 2016 22: 10
                +5
                how many cells does this vessel occupy?
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 16 January 2016 13: 27
            +6
            Quote: Darkmor
            instructed the Ukroboronprom state concern to develop a modernization project

            Rather, the project sawed money.

            Ukraine is not able to modernize a ship of this class on its own. Even if we put the question of money out of brackets - look at their missile cruiser "Ukraine".
            Perhaps they can patch up the engine and the body, although looking at how rapidly the industry is collapsing, even this raises questions.

            And try to look at this repair from the side of cost savings.
            The country cannot contain the fleet, but they cannot say it openly. They simply withdraw for repairs where there are no funds in advance.
          3. veksha50
            veksha50 16 January 2016 15: 50
            +7
            Quote: Darkmor
            Perhaps they can knock out the engine and body,



            Hmm ... There, in the context of modernization, it was announced "improvement of living conditions for personnel" ...
            To put a compact smokehouse for fat in the galley - modernization will succeed ...
            And to her - a small distillery - now there are so many of them sold ... After taking a certain dose - any fleet of the enemy can’t do anything, and any sea will be knee-deep ...
            1. voronbel53
              voronbel53 16 January 2016 19: 35
              +1
              The main thing is to putty the body so that it reaches the next overhaul - it did not sink. And as for the team, it’s more difficult, they can’t even promise a torch in the current season, not to mention lard, although Parashenko is much more promising, but who will fulfill it? ..
            2. Lukich
              Lukich 16 January 2016 19: 52
              +3
              Quote: veksha50
              To put a compact smokehouse for fat in the galley - modernization will succeed ...
              And to her - a small distillery - now there are so many of them sold ...

              Well, the line for the production of sweets from Poroshenko
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 January 2016 12: 04
          18
          ship repair will be engaged in "Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 communards in Nikolaev.
          laughing laughing laughing there are no words good
          1. Altona
            Altona 16 January 2016 12: 11
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            ship repair will be engaged in "Shipyard named after 61 Communards" in Nikolaev.
            there are no words

            ---------------------------
            Why not "Lenin's Forge"?))
            1. torp
              torp 16 January 2016 12: 39
              +8
              Lenin smithy, put into scrap metal according to the law of one-communization! wassat
            2. Lukich
              Lukich 16 January 2016 19: 56
              +2
              Quote: Altona
              Why not "Lenin's Forge"?))

              parashengka has a plant with some similar name
          2. zennon
            zennon 16 January 2016 15: 13
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            ship repair will be engaged in "Shipbuilding Plant named after 61 communards in Nikolaev.
            there are no words good

            Omission: It is necessary to rename in the name of Stepan Bandera.
          3. Lukich
            Lukich 16 January 2016 19: 55
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            ship repair will be engaged in "Shipyard named after 61 Communards" in Nikolaev.

            right. renamed the plant them. Bandera will say that they didn’t see any hetmans and received no money
        4. WKS
          WKS 16 January 2016 12: 56
          +7
          All modernization will be reduced to installing T64 towers on the deck.
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 16 January 2016 21: 58
            +2
            Quote: wks
            All modernization will be reduced to installing T64 towers on the deck.

            Flips over. Only from the PT-76, in the submerged state it will look more logical.
      2. -Patriot-
        -Patriot- 16 January 2016 11: 22
        +1
        + 100500!!!
      3. Altona
        Altona 16 January 2016 12: 10
        +7
        Quote: kod3001
        And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.

        ------------------------------
        Aha, and then this miracle will be called "Poroshenko's cruiser" or "Roshen frigate". laughing
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 16 January 2016 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: Altona
          Aha, and then this miracle will be called "Poroshenko's cruiser" or "Roshen frigate".

          they will call the name of the one who hates the most hryvnias from him
      4. Aryan
        Aryan 16 January 2016 12: 59
        +1
        if they want to extend the shelf life, let them put it in the refrigerator!
      5. zennon
        zennon 16 January 2016 15: 09
        +1
        Quote: kod3001
        And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.

        He himself was built in 1992. Soon after a quarter of a century, he was still 10-12 years old ...
      6. northern
        northern 16 January 2016 22: 11
        +1
        Quote: kod3001
        And their modernization will last for 10 years until he drowns himself.

        welded to the pier, like that submarine, you look and will not sink
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 16 January 2016 10: 51
      24
      I think pre-sale preparation will be done ...
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 16 January 2016 10: 56
        29
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I think pre-sale preparation will be done ...

        No, this is a good reason (pont) to put in a joke, there is no money either for repairs or for operation. request
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 16 January 2016 11: 01
          10
          Quote: NIKNN
          No, this is a good reason (pont) to put in a joke, there is no money either for repairs or for operation.

          Not. There was information that the flagship of the Navy Ukarins plan to transfer to the border guards in two years. Actually, after this transfer Khokhlo-Fleet will cease to exist - there will be no more or less serious ships.
          1. Gormenghast
            Gormenghast 16 January 2016 11: 13
            +4
            Exactly; there was such information. Getman - the flagship of the Navy, which are not. Accordingly, it is reasonable not to drive the show off, but to hand it over to the border guards; all will be of some use.

            This is provided that the ship in two years does not fall apart at all.
            1. Altona
              Altona 16 January 2016 12: 13
              +4
              Quote: Gormengast
              . Hetman - the flagship of the Navy, which are not.

              ----------------------
              But there are admirals ... Or what are they called there now?)))
          2. Beaver
            Beaver 16 January 2016 11: 13
            +1
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Khokhlo-Fleet will cease to exist

            Do not stop, just become like the Bolivian Navy. laughing (Who does not know - Google to help). hi
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 16 January 2016 12: 01
              29
              I think it will be something like this
              1. spech
                spech 16 January 2016 14: 55
                +4
                I think it will be something like this


                Nuclear laughing
                1. olegkrava
                  olegkrava 16 January 2016 22: 00
                  +4
                  NOT, NUCLEAR!
                  1. northern
                    northern 17 January 2016 20: 01
                    +1
                    moreover, all this splendor will be from only one, "front" side :-)))
              2. Lukich
                Lukich 16 January 2016 20: 03
                +4
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                I think it will be something like this

                it is only half. oars and sails have not yet attached
              3. alexs1833
                alexs1833 18 January 2016 00: 28
                0
                yes it's straight ship dream laughing
          3. Lukich
            Lukich 16 January 2016 20: 01
            +5
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Actually, after this transfer Khokhlo-Fleet will cease to exist - there will be no more or less serious ships.
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 17 January 2016 01: 53
          +1
          Welded to the pier, so that he would not drown. Like a submarine "Zaporozhye"
      2. serkhan
        serkhan 16 January 2016 12: 07
        +2
        Yes, no, the current Ministry of Defense of Ukraine can only give the opportunity to patch up the ship to swim to the coast of the Crimea and in a fleeting battle to sink it to the glory of Ukraine.
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 16 January 2016 10: 54
      12
      Quote: samoletil18
      And where will you get the money, brothers?

      They always have a lot of plans and admirals, it’s a pity, it looks like the ship will be sold or sold on needles. And they put it on modernization in August 2015, now they adopted the modernization plan in 2016.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 16 January 2016 10: 57
        25
        Quote: vlad66
        They always have a lot of plans and admirals, it’s a pity, it looks like the ship will be put into needles or sold.

        "The community in Ukraine suddenly took up the topic with fervor - the state and prospects of the country's naval forces.
        The discussion was initiated by the commander of the Navy, Vice Admiral Sergey Gaiduk. At a meeting with reporters in Odessa, he openly admitted for a long time that was obvious not only to him: in a few years, the remnants of the fleet under his command, by themselves, without a fight, would quietly “give their ends” right at the quays.
        Since the "resource of the vast majority of ships and vessels comes to an end" and they have to be written off "on needles" one after another every year.
        And about the fact that today in the 13 admiral and general posts in the Navy there are only four warships, of which one is the middle landing ship (we will leave auxiliary vessels and boats outside the brackets). And about the fact that the very “youngest” of them - the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny" - is already a quarter century old, and his technical condition is such that it is not safe to leave the Bosphorus for his own crew.
        Therefore, Gaiduk offered his vision of overcoming the crisis. It is necessary, he believes, to urgently form a powerful “maritime lobby” in Ukraine. To explain to politicians in Kiev that "the status of a sea power is not an end in itself, but an important factor in the country's economic and defense power."
        That is, Gaiduk believes that the Ukrainian Navy should reach such a level in the future to be able to establish full and unconditional control over the surface, underwater and air situation where they need it. Not everywhere, but at least in the Odessa region, which today is the main base of the Ukrainian Navy. "
        Zhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh
        In short, GIVE MONEY! Admirals do not want to shrink!
        1. Karayakupovo
          Karayakupovo 16 January 2016 11: 14
          +5
          Dear Egoza. You mean that KFOR, which in 2010 almost drowned when he went to the Turks for batteries for the submarine "Zaporozhye". I was then undergoing repairs at dock 30 in Sevastopol and I remember this incident.
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 16 January 2016 13: 22
            +3
            who nearly drowned in 2010 when he went to the Turks,
            then I walked, and now it’s worth it, you feel the difference? and if you stretch it out, where it’s smaller, then it will stand idle for a long time. laughing
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 16 January 2016 13: 36
              +2
              Quote: kotvov
              when I went to the Turks

              Yes, he never went after 1992, just swam.
            2. Karayakupovo
              Karayakupovo 16 January 2016 14: 57
              +2
              In general, I mentioned the landing ship. And about "Sagaidachny", so in 2008, during the joint exercises "Sea Breeze" with NATO ships, he stalled
        2. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 16 January 2016 11: 15
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: vlad66

          The discussion was initiated by the commander of the Navy, Vice Admiral Sergei Gaiduk.
          Today, 13 admiral and general positions in the Navy have only four warships, of which one is the middle landing ship (we will leave the auxiliary vessels and boats outside the brackets).
          In short, GIVE MONEY! Admirals do not want to shrink!


          As the ancients said - "seek who benefits." Your conclusions are absolutely correct, no one except admirals and generals, who have no one to command, needs the Ukrainian fleet. Where will this fleet go, what is it for? According to their status, they do not have a fleet, as well as a normal president, government and authorities. The Americans think for them, decide for them, they will fight for Ukrainians. And the Americans have everything in order with the fleet.
          1. vlad66
            vlad66 16 January 2016 11: 43
            15
            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            The Americans think for them, decide, they will fight for Ukrainians.

            Mikhail thinks, decides for them, they donate little money for them so that they don’t die ahead of time, but they are unlikely to fight for Ukraine, because they don’t need this jumping horse race, they need cannon fodder that they will drive ahead of themselves. hi
          2. Lukich
            Lukich 16 January 2016 20: 12
            +3
            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            The Americans think for them, decide, they will fight for Ukrainians.

            but this is not a fact. weapons may help, but they will not butt
        3. your1970
          your1970 16 January 2016 11: 49
          +4
          to be able to install full и unconditional control for surface, underwater and air conditions where they need it. Not everywhere but at least in the Odessa region, which today is the main base of the Navy.

          translated into a text for normal people - "We are here, a little, near the house, SCARY AND POWERFUL, and on the next street there are bad boys - they beat us, take money away, force them to fulfill their desires and vaabsche ..."
        4. svp67
          svp67 16 January 2016 11: 51
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          Start of discussion

          Yes, yes ... I remember they offered to ask a dozen old American or English warships to ask the Master, but he only agreed to inflatable boats ...
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 16 January 2016 20: 13
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            but he only agreed to inflatable boats ...

            and allocated as many as six pieces
        5. Altona
          Altona 16 January 2016 12: 15
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          That is, Gaiduk believes that the Ukrainian Navy should reach such a level in the future to be able to establish full and unconditional control over the surface, underwater and air situation where they need it. Not everywhere, but at least in the Odessa region, which today is the main base of the Ukrainian Navy. "

          -----------------------
          Aha, this naval microbe, called a frigate against the background of any modern cargo ship that is unloaded in Odessa, looks like a bug. He may not even be noticed, despite the brilliance of the crew’s shoulder straps.
      2. Beaver
        Beaver 16 January 2016 11: 16
        +3
        Quote: vlad66
        And they put it on modernization in August 2015, now the modernization plan has been adopted in 2016.

        Therefore, in 2015, the modernization was unplanned. laughing
    4. The black
      The black 16 January 2016 10: 55
      +8
      Money is MANDATORY !!! They will find it. After all, the main thing is to start laughing ... and then, as with the "great wall of the egg-lover." In general, someone will not even warm up badly on "modernization" smile
      1. northern
        northern 17 January 2016 20: 13
        0
        in the end, how many meters did they master this great wall?
    5. Tersky
      Tersky 16 January 2016 11: 04
      10
      Quote: samoletil18
      And where will you get the money, brothers?

      You misunderstood the message of the Urkainy Ministry of Defense, here everything is exactly the opposite - all this tops with modernization is just started for and for the sake of money. Well, what kind of "mudernizators" they are, it is enough to recall submarine "Zaporozhye"
    6. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 16 January 2016 11: 17
      +2
      Yeah, upgrade it to the state of scrap metal laughing
    7. -Patriot-
      -Patriot- 16 January 2016 11: 21
      0
      fat will be sold to Russia ...
    8. Finntroll
      Finntroll 16 January 2016 11: 32
      +4
      In order to weld rails to the pier a lot of money is not necessary laughing
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 16 January 2016 20: 18
        +3
        Quote: FinnTroll
        In order to weld rails to the pier a lot of money is not necessary

        and who will weld? all cadres have long fled to work abroad. only the horses remained. but they are of little use
    9. ydjin
      ydjin 16 January 2016 11: 37
      +2
      Quote: samoletil18
      And where will you get the money, brothers?

      What a country, such a flagship! Soon they will switch to pidvodnye chovny! laughing
    10. Juborg
      Juborg 16 January 2016 11: 46
      +1
      Zavodik then this prazadensky, again prazedant of all Ukraine, the budgetary will put in his pocket.
      1. your1970
        your1970 16 January 2016 12: 15
        0
        It’s like !!! And the people wrinkle their turnip-modernization: what if the truth is something serious?
        And here everything is simple, but tasteful: 1) money in the pocket of an authorized person, 2) "The master provided us with an order and salary !!!! URYA !!!", 3) The naval commanders will again support (no joke - as many as 13 pieces !!!!), 4) .....
        Stop! And they are not confused by some unpleasant number -13 ???
        Either the whole fleet will sink, again it’s more convenient to divide / share on 12, or one of them (or even all at once!) Will sell the 404 country with giblets, or he will kiss Petya in necessary moment - when will they come.

        ZY No direct comparisons of Petit with I.Kh. - not that person, there will be no resurrection
    11. Sobol
      Sobol 16 January 2016 11: 51
      +2
      Quote: samoletil18
      And where will you get the money, brothers?

      But you don’t need much money for oars! laughing
      1. pest
        pest 16 January 2016 12: 09
        +2
        It is necessary on their public procurement website to see if a tender has been announced for the procurement of scrap metal 5a and then exported from the repair dock for re-melting to a thread in Europe.
    12. askort154
      askort154 16 January 2016 12: 11
      +4
      samoletil18] And where will you get the money, brothers?

      I think that the volunteers will drop into the yellow barrel and the blue paint barrel.
      This will be the whole modernization.
    13. Maxom75
      Maxom75 16 January 2016 12: 27
      0
      Americans will give, though there will not be much sense.
    14. torp
      torp 16 January 2016 12: 38
      +1
      Collected by sms, and the modernization will consist in painting everything and everything in yellow color, submit it to the farba !!!
    15. The comment was deleted.
    16. Dmitry_24rus
      Dmitry_24rus 16 January 2016 16: 45
      +2
      And it seems to me great news, it will never go out of repair already ..
    17. VP
      VP 16 January 2016 17: 51
      +1
      Well, they scraped up the project.
      Probably.
      But on the modernization itself ... By then it will become irrelevant.
      Classic "Padishah - donkey"
    18. _my opinion
      _my opinion 16 January 2016 18: 27
      +1
      Quote: samoletil18
      And where will you get the money, brothers?

      so it's only project modernization ...
      on this, it will end, and Svidomo will have another illusion ... a reason for jumping
  2. Sharky
    Sharky 16 January 2016 10: 48
    +5
    We bet this modernization news never materializes! And it's good ... that it won't come true. Adequacy has not been noticed by the ukrovlast ... It is dangerous to give them weapons. Better to moor him next to the submarine submarine "Zaporozhye" and he will quietly rot there.
  3. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 16 January 2016 10: 48
    19
    It is planned to upgrade the technical means of the ship. This will extend its life

    Will they put the masts and sailing rigging? "The wind inflates the snow-white sails, the zhovto-blakitny prapor proudly flies, powerfully cuts the" Saiga dacha "water Of the Black Sea Dniester estuary. "Rr-romance ... smile
    1. Persistent
      Persistent 16 January 2016 10: 51
      16
      Masts and sailing rigging or something to put?

      Holes will be cut into the sides and the oars stuck !!!! laughing
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 16 January 2016 13: 44
        +2
        Quote: Persistent
        Holes cut in the sides

        Fu, how vulgar your "holes" are. Tell the portholes to be made and used for rowing. Double benefit. lol
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 January 2016 10: 53
      +6
      There are problems with heating elements in the galley. laughing
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 16 January 2016 11: 31
        +6
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        There are problems with heating elements in the galley.

        TENY is a relic of the damned scoop and they have no place on the flagship of the Ukrainian fleet.
        In the galley of the famous ship will be installed racially faithful Yuzhmashevsky furnaces operating on the cleanest Ukrainian dung, which will be produced by the team's own forces.

        Those who hand over the product are secondary - they dine well!
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 16 January 2016 10: 56
      +5
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Masts and sailing rigging or something to put?

      No, they plan to convert the Saiga into a submarine. yes
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 16 January 2016 11: 18
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        "Saiga" is planned to be converted into a submarine.

        Disposable, of course? wassat
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 16 January 2016 11: 33
          +4
          Quote: Castor
          Disposable, of course?

          In the terms of reference it is written about the possibility of immersion, about surfacing no. what
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 16 January 2016 11: 21
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: Ami du peuple

        No, they plan to convert the Saiga into a submarine. yes


        With this we can help them. It’ll go under the water like an ax! Whether it will come up later, one cannot say with confidence :)
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 January 2016 10: 49
    +2
    to develop a project to modernize the flagship of the country's Navy Getman Sagaidachnogo

    Until the project is developed, then they stall on modernization, it means that modern Ukraine will not see its "flagship" in the near future. It is possible that in a year or two, modernization will not be needed.
  5. Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 16 January 2016 10: 51
    +4
    They will write down the characteristics of the "Cruiser Moskva" or similar classes of ships, they will ask for the corresponding money and the Yatsinyuk and Poroshenko will improve their economic indicators, and the project will most likely suffer the fate of the underwater flagship of the Ukrainian fleet, the Black Sea submarine aircraft carrier Zaporozhye.)

  6. BLOND
    BLOND 16 January 2016 10: 52
    +5
    and in about five years "Sagaidachny" ... will be like in an ancient anecdote:
    "Apartment for sale prepared for renovation!"
  7. wandlitz
    wandlitz 16 January 2016 10: 54
    +1
    Ukroboronprom: "Getman Sagaidachny" will be upgraded, yeah, similar to the unfinished "Varyag" ...
  8. gukoyan
    gukoyan 16 January 2016 10: 54
    0
    That they said so, for the next money exhaustion, there will be no modernization in any way.
  9. Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 16 January 2016 10: 55
    +3
    Chechvostit these modernizers will not - and without me enough of that. I have a purely pragmatic question - for the solution of which tasks will this watchdog be used and as part of which group?
    1. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 16 January 2016 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: East Wind
      What particular tasks will this watchdog be used to solve and in which group?

      in general, I think, give this "Nereus" to the border guards. But you are essentially right, there is no KUG, what tasks will it perform, where to go? If only to drive pirates to the Gulf of Aden, that's all.
  10. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 16 January 2016 10: 56
    +1
    The shock capabilities of this frigate will not increase.
    PLO will also remain the same. In general, how did this project show itself before, and what can be upgraded there specifically for all ship systems?
  11. sichevik
    sichevik 16 January 2016 10: 58
    +3
    Something tells me that all this modernization will only be on paper and in slogans. Just as it was with the great Ukrainian wall. They dug a trench and in some places they put the net ... Most likely their flagship will be modernized in the same way. They will paint over the rust, change the gangway, hang a new flag and update the names on the sides. That's the whole upgrade. And the money, if it is, of course, allocated, cut out and transferred to offshore.
  12. ilija93
    ilija93 16 January 2016 11: 02
    +3
    They will give out personnel vests in a yellow-blue strip and a trident instead of caps to the commanding staff. wink
  13. Valdis
    Valdis 16 January 2016 11: 03
    +4
    More likely to be sold under a floating brothel in Utrecht.)))))
  14. lysyj bob
    lysyj bob 16 January 2016 11: 03
    +2
    That's what I understand. Without a single shot, deprive the fleet of "the most powerful army in Europe." And who will restrain aggression on the vast expanses of the sea?
  15. SIMM
    SIMM 16 January 2016 11: 03
    +4
    Powerfully!
    And then, you can immediately go to Mars!)))
  16. tomcat117
    tomcat117 16 January 2016 11: 05
    +5
    "Shipyard named after 61 Communards" ...

    Why is the Khokh.Latian style factory still not renamed?
    1.666th Bandera Shipyard (after all, he could "put things in order").
    2. Shipbuilding plant named after Sashko Bily (creatively another one).
    3. Shipyard "Roshen" (Mr. President would have done it in a moment).
    There are a lot of options for creativity and "modernize" your troughs how to do it
  17. Amurets
    Amurets 16 January 2016 11: 06
    +3
    It is cheaper to build a new one, otherwise while this one is being modernized, at "Sagaidachny" something that still holds on to paint and rust, and then it gets lost from old age.
  18. FIREMAN
    FIREMAN 16 January 2016 11: 08
    +3
    A typical scheme that has been worked out many times over: they will be driven into a "sump" of the type for modernization, everyone will safely forget about it in a couple of years, and then either on needles or they will be driven to someone.
  19. Sorokin
    Sorokin 16 January 2016 11: 08
    +2
    Bullshit Whole Fucking. Where will the executive staff get? What will they pay? Who will subscribe to this at all?
  20. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 16 January 2016 11: 09
    +1
    There is no special potential for modernization on Sagaidachny. It is better to put money into the completion of the corvette 58250.
  21. kvs207
    kvs207 16 January 2016 11: 11
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    13 admiral and general posts in the Navy today have only four warships,

    Such a shortage, the maximum rank of the commander, must have a maximum - captain of the 1st rank, or whatever they have laughing
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 16 January 2016 11: 32
      +4
      So for sure ... that's what I was thinking about now .... For example ... Fleet Com (aka brigade) cap time, Start headquarters 1-2 rank ... plus the flagship and the beginning. brigade services ...- 2-3 rank .... the pole to the support vessels the same thing to a rank lower ...... Total management- 25-30 people .... and the ship’s composition ..... 5 -6 senior officers and about 20-25 junior ... that's the whole fleet ... the so-called .... One thing is bad ... not enough for world domination
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 16 January 2016 12: 03
        +6
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        ... One is bad ... not enough for world domination

        "Charter" to help them:
  22. sabakina
    sabakina 16 January 2016 11: 13
    14
    I’m still thinking, how could Italian directors have foreseen, even then?
    Shot from a film about Fantozzi ...
    1. lysyj bob
      lysyj bob 16 January 2016 11: 49
      +2
      The materialization of thought, however ...
    2. Mih
      Mih 16 January 2016 23: 12
      +2
      Sobakina, you are magnificent as always !!! My applause. fellow
  23. lelikas
    lelikas 16 January 2016 11: 16
    0
    Quote: Sorokin
    Bullshit Whole Fucking. Where will the executive staff get? What will they pay? Who will subscribe to this at all?

    What are you writing? The piglet, however, has a hand-made shipyard - that’s who will get the funds for development.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 January 2016 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: lelikas
      The piglet, however, has a hand-made shipbuilding plant - that’s where the funds for development will go.

      So he’s kind of in Sevastopol! SHO? Not nationalized yet? belay Mess, sir gentlemen, officers! am
    2. Sorokin
      Sorokin 17 January 2016 08: 24
      0
      Means can go. But what will they do? And will they give? Sevastopol is already ours.
  24. viktor561
    viktor561 16 January 2016 11: 16
    +2
    Why does Ukraine need a navy? There is no base and in the near future will not be!
  25. Gray 43
    Gray 43 16 January 2016 11: 20
    +2
    I think that they will want to carry out the modernization abroad, "according to NATO standards", there he will remain, after a sudden sale, they will weld well in case they can exchange them for rubber boats-gas chambers))))
  26. dosyl
    dosyl 16 January 2016 11: 22
    +4
    It’s all gone !!! Khan to the Russian fleet in the Black Sea !!!
  27. vfqjh
    vfqjh 16 January 2016 11: 24
    +4
    Ah, ambition, ambition, ambition ... Plans for a scumbag, but the realities are different. With Donbass, then all brains turned, with social programs, etc. , etc. One word, go.
  28. izya top
    izya top 16 January 2016 11: 30
    +3
    so it seems already? ... in the same place volunteer volunteers bought some kind of used radar from the fishermen what
  29. Pig
    Pig 16 January 2016 11: 32
    +1
    Saw Shura, Saw ...
  30. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 16 January 2016 11: 35
    +3
    Since the fall, however, it’s all going ... It was decided to put the unfinished cruiser to scrap. Cause? Does not meet NATO standards (official reason, of course). Does the saiga fit? What a news..! Or did they decide to cut the whole ship? For what? Who will do this? Where? In general, he most likely will not work out the repair. Yes, there he is dear. They do not need a fleet, the borders that remained can be patrolled with elastic bands.
  31. Kibl
    Kibl 16 January 2016 11: 40
    +3
    They will fly along, plug holes in the hull and fill it with RDX to the eyeballs and make a fire brigade from the frigate! That's the whole modernization in Ukrainian!
  32. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 16 January 2016 11: 52
    +2
    What for ??? and who are going to fight with. Idiocy grows stronger !!!
  33. Riv
    Riv 16 January 2016 11: 54
    +1
    Upgrade to a submarine. Well done, Ukrainians!
  34. engineer74
    engineer74 16 January 2016 11: 55
    +2
    Something strange - not a word about the transfer of the ship to "NATO standards" - ETOGES ZRADA !!! wassat
    At least the flight deck was welded like the "Nimitz" ...
  35. evil partisan
    evil partisan 16 January 2016 11: 58
    +3
    Not otherwise an aircraft carrier will be made of it. or a helicopter carrier. Under Leo-1.
  36. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 16 January 2016 12: 02
    +3
    I wonder if they have anything else left in their navy besides this trough? they need a fleet only so that the parashenka can not be afraid to go to sea laughing
  37. awersa
    awersa 16 January 2016 12: 03
    +1
    Looks hohloadmiralam again needed money for a cut ...
  38. rustemkm
    rustemkm 16 January 2016 12: 09
    +5
    The modernization project includes the installation of oars, sails, gallows on the yoke, as well as a dead man's chest and a bottle of rum!
  39. Yar Ga
    Yar Ga 16 January 2016 12: 20
    +4
    Immediately under Caliber. Schaub uniformly)))
  40. Wolka
    Wolka 16 January 2016 12: 39
    +4
    the ship’s project is hopelessly out of date, well, it’s impossible to make up a modern long-range cruiser (frigate) from a coastal patrol boat, how to make a 5th generation fighter from a can, in addition, it requires money, and not small (cheaper to build a new ship) which Ukrainians of both are extremely dumb ...
  41. German Titov
    German Titov 16 January 2016 13: 05
    +5
    I am proud of the stolen fleet))). In 2000, in Simeiz, he met with the officer of this glorious ship. So he, bitterly told (with bitterness, because he did not have time to "screw" in 1991 to another fleet), how on the "Hetman Sagaidachny" the MPs of the Verkhovna Rada with glances swam across the Black Sea (just swam), and sailors ran as servants. And I remember (I was a kid) the submarine base in the city of Polyarny. Northern and Pacific Fleets (the strength and pride of Russia).
  42. bad
    bad 16 January 2016 13: 13
    +3
    Ukroboronprom: "Getman Sagaidachny" will be upgraded
    ... fat chtoli anoint him? laughing
  43. lopvlad
    lopvlad 16 January 2016 13: 16
    +2
    ship repair will be engaged in "Shipyard named after 61 Communards" in Nikolaev.

    there it will be cut into metal and cut together with the cruiser Vkraina.
  44. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 16 January 2016 13: 36
    +4
    They will paint in some places the rusty case, hang a new flag, and also record a new phonogram with a dead man’s pen and record money. That's the whole modernization of Saigak Dachny
  45. Mercenary
    Mercenary 16 January 2016 13: 38
    +1
    "Hetman Sagaidachny will be modernized"
    To the level of kayaks and canoes? As always, they will drive them into the stocks, cut something off and run out of money for a couple of years. And tuk many times until they are pulled to the country!
    SALA Ukraine! (Yes, more and free)
  46. KBR109
    KBR109 16 January 2016 14: 44
    +1
    There is no point in talking about a country saiga. Statement on perpetual honorable repair without money. Earlier, there were rumors about the allocation of the United States from the reserve (With conservation) of several frigate-corvette sides for these saigas. Is there anything to hear about this, can anyone in the know?
  47. Hydrograph
    Hydrograph 16 January 2016 14: 53
    +2
    It seems Ukrainians Brothers like one blood read komenty as if someone broke better off .... better. Well, they want to repair even with kayaks and other rubbish here? You need to worry about your fleet, and for something unfinished, and so on. The word silver is silent gold. They would be silent.
  48. genzik161
    genzik161 16 January 2016 14: 59
    +3
    If my memory serves me right, then this is the third statement on modernization in the past two years.
  49. fa2998
    fa2998 16 January 2016 15: 02
    +3
    Quote: vfqjh
    Gramadier’s plans, but the reality is different.

    The woman didn’t have any worries — she bought pigs! Well, okay, they’ll go for 10 years, and then what! The ship needs a trained crew, fuel, ammunition and other supplies, etc. Or it will stand at the pier as a symbol of the Ukrainian fleet. So let it be it’s worth-you put it aground and sprinkle it with an excavator for reliability! hi
  50. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 16 January 2016 16: 00
    +4
    Pepper is clear! Fleet flagship - flagship upgrade !! Or maybe they will "modernize" it to the Ukrainian "AURORA"?
    1. killganoff
      killganoff 16 January 2016 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: LÄRZ
      Pepper is clear! Fleet flagship - flagship upgrade !! Or maybe they will "modernize" it to the Ukrainian "AURORA"?

      They don’t even make a museum, upgrading to the level of the Flagship brothel restaurant.