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Thailand ordered 35-mm anti-aircraft guns in Europe

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Despite the wide choice of modern anti-aircraft missile systems, such conservative weapons as towed anti-aircraft artillery (ZAK) are still in demand in the world. On Monday, Rheinmetall Defense announced a "multi-million euro contract" with Thailand for the supply of Skyguard 4 anti-aircraft artillery systems, the blog reports bmpd with reference to the press service of the company.


Thailand ordered 35-mm anti-aircraft guns in Europe


According to the press service, "the production and supply of the complexes will be carried out by the Swiss division of Rheinmetall Defense - Rheinmetall Air Defense."

We are talking about advanced complexes, the delivery of which is scheduled for 2017.

According to the company, “Each complex includes the Oerlikon Skyguard 3 fire control system (includes radar, electro-optical and laser channels and is located on the trailer) and two Oerlikon GDF35 Twin Gun towed automatic anti-aircraft artillery guns 007.”

“The GDF007 unit was created as a modified version of the previous 35-mm dual-engineered twin-gun version of this GDF005 family, featuring the use of digital-guided electric drives and the ability to use AHEAD projectiles with a programmable fuse,” the report says.

Thailand is the second buyer of complexes after Chile, which received a batch of these installations in 2012.
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Rheinmetall (via Jane's)
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  1. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 13 January 2016 13: 29 New
    +1
    That's all. Now Thailand is a fortress.
    we even have military museums and then abruptly the technique is (sarcasm)
    1. just exp
      just exp 13 January 2016 14: 19 New
      +4
      underestimating the enemy is the first step into the abyss.
      a member of a balalaika in capable hands, and even a modern, although artillery, but still a modern complex, can do quite a lot, especially in skilled hands.
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 13 January 2016 15: 32 New
        +4
        They are cunning. Oh, I don't believe it. So to say: it makes no sense to buy (expensive) such an advanced station with radar detection, radar tracking, optoelectronic module, computer complex, etc. for two art. Memory
        There, the main armament is the SAHV-IR missile, with 2 launchers, eight missiles per TPK. Range of defeat - 8 km.
        Well, the guns - to achieve missed goals in the near zone (how to say in the near-4 km however).
        In vain you laugh, a serious device.
  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz 13 January 2016 13: 30 New
    -6
    I may not understand something, but what exactly are they by that going to shoot down? WWII attack aircraft?
    1. little girl15
      little girl15 13 January 2016 13: 33 New
      -4
      Vorobiev probably.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 13 January 2016 13: 42 New
        0
        C'mon, these are their problems. Extra money.
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      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 13 January 2016 13: 43 New
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        Quote: Wiruz
        I may not understand something, but what exactly are they going to bring down? WWII attack aircraft?

        Helicopters, subsonic IS and attack aircraft with "iron" and NAR, light aircraft of local drug lords, etc., etc.
        The neighbors of Thailand have a lot of everything volatile, for which these MZAK - just right.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 13 January 2016 13: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      I may not understand something, but what exactly are they going to bring down? WWII attack aircraft?

      Maybe to shoot down drones in the near zone?
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 13 January 2016 13: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      I may not understand something, but what exactly are they going to bring down? WWII attack aircraft?

      Helicopters If you place the radar and guns for some removal, so that the anti-radar missiles do not spread everything before the position.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 13 January 2016 16: 09 New
        0
        If you destroy the radar, then their combat effectiveness will drop at times. And this is nowhere more real.
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    5. just exp
      just exp 13 January 2016 14: 20 New
      +3
      and what should shoot down shilka? or do you call them shit too? I'm talking about modern models of shilok. with the new SLA. since here the SLA is new.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 13 January 2016 17: 15 New
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        and what should shoot down shilka? or do you call them shit too? I'm talking about modern models of shilok. with the new SLA. since here the SLA is new.

        They compared the finger with you-know-what. Shilka has 4 barrels, 23mm caliber (that’s it), and most importantly, the rate of fire is 3400 rds / min.
        This miracle has 2 trunks, too (in my opinion) a large caliber - 35mm, rate of fire of about 550 rds / min.

        Feel the difference? fool
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 January 2016 17: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Wiruz
          They compared the finger with you-know-what. Shilka has 4 barrels, 23mm caliber (that’s it), and most importantly, the rate of fire is 3400 rds / min.
          This miracle has 2 trunks, too (in my opinion) a large caliber - 35mm, rate of fire of about 550 rds / min.

          The most that. At present, Shilka has too small effective range - 2500 m (altitude altogether 1500 m).
          And GDF007 has an effective ceiling of 4000 m.

          By the way, 550 rounds / min - this is 1 barrel.

          This system occupies an intermediate position between 23-30 mm MZAK and 57-76 mm automatic anti-aircraft guns. A sort of "Bofors 40 mm" in the Swiss fashion. smile
        2. zennon
          zennon 13 January 2016 19: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Wiruz
          This miracle has 2 trunks, too (in my opinion) a large caliber - 35mm, rate of fire of about 550 rds / min.

          You know, there is enough work for this unit on the ground. In excess. If something, then not only tow. You can throw it on the truck. It will do.
    6. PSih2097
      PSih2097 13 January 2016 20: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      I may not understand something, but what exactly are they by that going to shoot down? WWII attack aircraft?

      This ZSU on the earth also does not work badly, and even on turntables the most relish ...
  3. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 13 January 2016 13: 32 New
    +3
    Really it was impossible to place the installation on the chassis, even if the radar does not fit. Of the minuses of this system is the impossibility of simultaneously shooting from opposite angles.
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 13 January 2016 13: 44 New
      +2
      Well, maybe they are poor fellows and would order armor from us, but alas, not fate!

      It is known about the portfolio of orders for Shell-C1 with a volume of $ 2,5 billion [17]. Based on the cost of each air defense system, this means a total order of more than 175 units. As of May 2015, as Rogozin said, “The lineup for the purchase of the Shell is until 2019. That is, we can’t even move it. ” Among customers Algeria, Syria, Iran, UAE
    2. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 13 January 2016 13: 58 New
      +4
      There is an installation on the chassis, this is the ZSU Cheetah.
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 13 January 2016 15: 59 New
        +1
        Well, let's say Thailand has no Cheetahs. There is such an assortment of barrel ZSU ...
        Once they took the towed version, it means for the object air defense, stationary objects, not on the march.
    3. zennon
      zennon 13 January 2016 19: 50 New
      0
      Quote: kugelblitz
      Really it was impossible to place the installation on the chassis, even if the radar does not fit.

      How to say. It’s tempting to throw some kind of turntable onto the pass. Imagine how it will plug all the trails in the mountains.
  4. Ayujak
    Ayujak 13 January 2016 13: 32 New
    -1
    At the word Oerlikon, I immediately recall the Second World War. And the Fritz after them ... they still are alive.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 13 January 2016 13: 48 New
      +7
      Quote: AYUJAK
      At the word Oerlikon, I immediately recall the Second World War. And the Fritz after them ... they still are alive.

      What does the Fritz have to do with it? The company is Swiss, and the erlikons and the USSR received by lend-lease - almost two thousand.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 January 2016 13: 54 New
      +8
      Quote: AYUJAK
      At the word Oerlikon, I immediately recall the Second World War. And the Fritz after them ... they still are alive.

      I’ll cry a little. smile

      In fact, the Fritz did not have Oerlikon as the MZA. The Fritz went a tricky way: they created the Soloturn company (actually owned by Rheinmetall) in Switzerland and developed their own gun. The reason is simple - in the early 30s, compliance with the Treaty of Versailles was still monitored, so the Bosch had to invent cunning plan. By the way, in our time, Rheinmetall simply swallowed Oerlikon.

      So the Fritz as MZA was not Oerlikon, but his competitor ST-5 from Soloturn. But the Germans had air guns developed by Erlikon, yes. In 1936 it was already possible to put on Versailles and buy a license.

      Allied anti-aircraft "Oerlikons" were among the Limes and the Yankees.
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  6. pts-m
    pts-m 13 January 2016 13: 36 New
    0
    that one of them will finish off these artillery systems for tourists who have swum for buoys. such a special kind of entertainment. otherwise it will cost more to look for them.
  7. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 13 January 2016 13: 36 New
    +1
    They are effective against infantry.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 January 2016 13: 42 New
    +1
    Some kind of gauge is not running. What, and the ammunition under it is new, special? What new winds are blowing in the barrel air defense?
    1. Primus pilus
      Primus pilus 13 January 2016 13: 50 New
      0
      ZSU Cheetah such guns.
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 13 January 2016 14: 09 New
        +2
        Most likely the price of the issue plays a role here. A cheetah will definitely be more expensive, albeit a harsh car, not without it.
        The photo is clickable.
        1. Primus pilus
          Primus pilus 13 January 2016 14: 27 New
          -1
          The Bundeswehr Cheetahs was removed from service 5 years ago. So I think they could be bought for cheap.
          1. zennon
            zennon 13 January 2016 19: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Primus Pilus
            The Bundeswehr Cheetahs removed from service 5 years ago.

            In vain. Against migrants, that's it.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 January 2016 14: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Some kind of gauge is not running. What, and the ammunition under it is new, special? What new winds are blowing in the barrel air defense?

      Caliber - old, Swiss. Both towed MZA and ZSU were made in it. Cheetahs, even in NATO, were in service with the Germans, the Dutch and the Belgians.
      So the 35 mm is rather a rare caliber, and not a bad one.

      The slow-moving caliber is the "Rheinmetal" 27 mm MZA based on the "Mauser" air gun. Wow, that’s a perversion.
    3. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 13 January 2016 15: 55 New
      +1
      "AHEAD ammunition is designed to intercept airborne targets. Each projectile is programmed using a near-barrel electromagnetic inductor, which sets an electric timer for activating and dividing the projectile into 152 rotationally stabilized heavy fragments (3,3 g each)."

      More details: http://warinform.ru/News-view-270.html
  9. Green1976
    Green1976 13 January 2016 13: 46 New
    +1
    Would buy our zushki cheap and cheerful! (Do you want to put on a pickup truck or on a truck!)
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 January 2016 14: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Green1976
      Would buy our zushki cheap and cheerful! (Do you want to put on a pickup truck or on a truck!)

      Key words: anti-aircraft artillery complex. That is, this combination: radar / optics + SUAO + power drives for MZA.
      In our country, the ZU-23-2 has only a mechanical sight and mechanical guidance drives. And in terms of the MZA with power induction drives, our army air defense went along the path of the ZSU.
    2. Hydrograph
      Hydrograph 13 January 2016 15: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Green1976
      Would buy our zushki cheap and cheerful! (Do you want to put on a pickup truck or on a truck!)


      And try to knock down a bunch of iron bars. One joy is cheap. For example: Shilka target MIG 17 speed 250 m / s slant range 500 m height 1000 m probability of defeat 0,39%. And the snows generally on the principle of "Take two fingers to the left"
  10. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 13 January 2016 13: 47 New
    +1
    But Thailand is going to fight with whom?
  11. yanus
    yanus 13 January 2016 13: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    Gdf007

    Well, they are not friends with Cambodia ...
  12. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 13 January 2016 13: 59 New
    -2
    And this is from whom and against whom and in general why?
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 13 January 2016 14: 12 New
      +3
      "Jarome"
      Such a penny "fool" hidden in the jungle can riddle and land any combat helicopter, be it Apache or Alligator.

      "Alexey RA"
      Quote: Wiruz
      I may not understand something, but what exactly are they going to bring down? WWII attack aircraft?
      Helicopters, subsonic IS and attack aircraft with "iron" and NAR, light aircraft of local drug lords, etc., etc.
      The neighbors of Thailand have a lot of everything volatile, for which these MZAK - just right.
  13. IT-Prof
    IT-Prof 13 January 2016 13: 59 New
    +2
    Perhaps they want to organize a system for intercepting missiles, artillery and mortar shells on the basis of these complexes. http://topwar.ru/21633-postupila-na-vooruzhenie-pervaya-batareya-zak-mantis.html
  14. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 13 January 2016 14: 17 New
    +1
    "arrows" would have been bought more .. there are as many helicopters as there are no erlikons .. yes, and in the case of a DB the first scribe will come running to them
  15. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 13 January 2016 14: 18 New
    +3
    a malicious little thing under the control of a computer-like splinter will be
  16. Hydrograph
    Hydrograph 13 January 2016 15: 09 New
    +1
    "Distinguished by the use of digitally-controlled electric drives, as well as the ability to use AHEAD shells with a programmable fuse," "towed automatic anti-aircraft artillery systems"

    The thing is excellent and the mockery of poor Thais is incomprehensible. We need something similar with a drive and most importantly with a remote fuse in the projectile and caliber 30-27-35 is not so important. And you will not tighten the equipment on the fur to any place and you know the cost of the chassis. And the application is quite universal air-water-ground for any purpose with such control devices along three channels.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 January 2016 17: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Hydrograph
      We need something similar with a drive and most importantly with a remote fuse in the projectile and caliber 30-27-35 is not so important.

      For whom? We have practically no purely infantry units — only tank and motorized gunners. And for them it is important to cover on the march, which can only provide self-propelled MZA - ZSU or ZRPK.

      And for light infantry brigades, such as mountain shooters, this 7-ton charger, and even a trailer with a radar, are too heavy. It’s easier to take MANPADS.

      As for the country's air defense, they also finally took into account the experience of Vietnam, Egypt, Syria and Iraq. And they realized that a quick change of position is the key to a long life of air defense systems. Therefore, they chose a mobile ZRPK - "shell".
      1. Hydrograph
        Hydrograph 14 January 2016 13: 26 New
        0
        As I understand it, I’ll have to fight not only on the march, why not cover small, not very important areas, with air defense systems? With regards to the “armor”, shells with a remote fuse are just for his darling.
  17. shans2
    shans2 13 January 2016 15: 43 New
    0
    it would be better to buy conventional MANPADS, more benefits.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 13 January 2016 16: 07 New
      +2
      A sufficiently effective remedy against helicopters and attack aircraft, and possibly against the Tomahawk-type missiles, in any case, the Serbian Prague Tomahawks were shot down.
      In Iran, the production of such ACs called Samavat has been established.

      At the parade:

      In most cases, they are used there as stationary to protect some kind of objects and often together with air defense systems in this case with Rapira.

      Around the Iranian Nuclear Center in Natanz

      Radar and optoelectronic search and target tracking system of the MSA of the Iranian Samavat memory.
  18. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 January 2016 16: 20 New
    +2
    Against small-medium drones and careless helicopters - a great thing, we would like to. Yes, and the infantry can drive on occasion.
  19. Hey
    Hey 13 January 2016 16: 23 New
    +1
    Recently there was information either on the revival of production, or on the modernization of the existing 57-mm S-60, our anti-aircraft guns. So there is a sense in such systems. Especially with the advent of new programmable shells.
  20. bender8282
    bender8282 14 January 2016 16: 06 New
    0
    armed transvestites ... already goosebumps wassat