Thailand ordered 35-mm anti-aircraft guns in Europe

Despite the wide choice of modern anti-aircraft missile systems, such conservative weapons as towed anti-aircraft artillery (ZAK) are still in demand in the world. On Monday, Rheinmetall Defense announced a "multi-million euro contract" with Thailand for the supply of Skyguard 4 anti-aircraft artillery systems, the blog reports bmpd with reference to the press service of the company.

According to the press service, "the production and supply of the complexes will be carried out by the Swiss division of Rheinmetall Defense - Rheinmetall Air Defense."

We are talking about advanced complexes, the delivery of which is scheduled for 2017.

According to the company, “Each complex includes the Oerlikon Skyguard 3 fire control system (includes radar, electro-optical and laser channels and is located on the trailer) and two Oerlikon GDF35 Twin Gun towed automatic anti-aircraft artillery guns 007.”

“The GDF007 unit was created as a modified version of the previous 35-mm dual-engineered twin-gun version of this GDF005 family, featuring the use of digital-guided electric drives and the ability to use AHEAD projectiles with a programmable fuse,” the report says.

Thailand is the second buyer of complexes after Chile, which received a batch of these installations in 2012.

Comments

[AdekvatNICK]

That's all. Now Thailand is a fortress.
we even have military museums and then abruptly the technique is (sarcasm)

[just exp]

underestimating the enemy is the first step into the abyss.
a member of a balalaika in capable hands, and even a modern, although artillery, but still a modern complex, can do quite a lot, especially in skilled hands.

[KVIRTU]

They are cunning. Oh, I don't believe it. So to say: it makes no sense to buy (expensive) such an advanced station with radar detection, radar tracking, optoelectronic module, computer complex, etc. for two art. Memory
There, the main armament is the SAHV-IR missile, with 2 launchers, eight missiles per TPK. Range of defeat - 8 km.
Well, the guns - to achieve missed goals in the near zone (how to say in the near-4 km however).
In vain you laugh, a serious device.

[Wiruz]

I may not understand something, but what exactly are they by that going to shoot down? WWII attack aircraft?

[little girl15]

Vorobiev probably.

[Pereira]

C'mon, these are their problems. Extra money.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Wiruz

I may not understand something, but what exactly are they going to bring down? WWII attack aircraft?

Helicopters, subsonic information security and attack aircraft with "cast iron" and NAR, light aircraft of local drug lords, etc., etc.
The neighbors of Thailand have a lot of everything volatile, for which these MZAK - just right.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Wiruz

I may not understand something, but what exactly are they going to bring down? WWII attack aircraft?

Maybe to shoot down drones in the near zone?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Wiruz
I may not understand something, but what exactly are they going to bring down? WWII attack aircraft?

Helicopters If you place the radar and guns for some removal, so that the anti-radar missiles do not spread everything before the position.

[Kent0001]

If you destroy the radar, then their combat effectiveness will drop at times. And this is nowhere more real.

[just exp]

and what should shoot down shilka? or do you call them shit too? I'm talking about modern models of shilok. with the new SLA. since here the SLA is new.

[Wiruz]

and what should shoot down shilka? or do you call them shit too? I'm talking about modern models of shilok. with the new SLA. since here the SLA is new.

They compared the finger with you-know-what. Shilka has 4 barrels, 23mm caliber (that’s it), and most importantly, the rate of fire is 3400 rds / min.
This miracle has 2 trunks, too (in my opinion) a large caliber - 35mm, rate of fire of about 550 rds / min.

Feel the difference?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Wiruz

They compared the finger with you-know-what. Shilka has 4 barrels, 23mm caliber (that’s it), and most importantly, the rate of fire is 3400 rds / min.
This miracle has 2 trunks, too (in my opinion) a large caliber - 35mm, rate of fire of about 550 rds / min.

The very thing. At the present time, the Shilka has too little effective range - 2500 m (at an altitude of 1500 m in general).
And GDF007 has an effective ceiling of 4000 m.

By the way, 550 rounds / min - this is 1 barrel.

This system occupies an intermediate position between 23-30 mm MZAK and 57-76 mm automatic anti-aircraft guns. A kind of "Bofors 40-mm" in the Swiss way.

[zennon]

Quote: Wiruz

This miracle has 2 trunks, too (in my opinion) a large caliber - 35mm, rate of fire of about 550 rds / min.

You know, there is enough work for this unit on the ground. In excess. If something, then not only tow. You can throw it on the truck. It will do.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Wiruz

I may not understand something, but what exactly are they by that going to shoot down? WWII attack aircraft?

This ZSU on the earth also does not work badly, and even on turntables the most relish ...

[kugelblitz]

Really it was impossible to place the installation on the chassis, even if the radar does not fit. Of the minuses of this system is the impossibility of simultaneously shooting from opposite angles.

[sisa29]

Well, maybe they are poor fellows and would order armor from us, but alas, not fate!

It is known about a portfolio of orders for Pantsir-C1 in the amount of $ 2,5 billion [17]. Based on the cost of each air defense missile system, this means a total order of more than 175 units. As of May 2015, as Rogozin said, “The queue for the purchase of" Shells "until 2019. That is, we cannot even move it. " Among the customers are Algeria, Syria, Iran, UAE

[Primus pilus]

There is an installation on the chassis, this is the ZSU Cheetah.

[KVIRTU]

Well, let's say Thailand has no Cheetahs. There is such an assortment of barrel ZSU ...
Once they took the towed version, it means for the object air defense, stationary objects, not on the march.

[zennon]

Quote: kugelblitz

Really it was impossible to place the installation on the chassis, even if the radar does not fit.

How to say. It’s tempting to throw some kind of turntable onto the pass. Imagine how it will plug all the trails in the mountains.

[Ayujak]

At the word Oerlikon, I immediately recall the Second World War. And the Fritz after them ... they still are alive.

[lelikas]

Quote: AYUJAK

At the word Oerlikon, I immediately recall the Second World War. And the Fritz after them ... they still are alive.

What does the Fritz have to do with it? The company is Swiss, and the erlikons and the USSR received by lend-lease - almost two thousand.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: AYUJAK

At the word Oerlikon, I immediately recall the Second World War. And the Fritz after them ... they still are alive.

I’ll cry a little.

In fact, the Fritzes did not have Oerlikon as their MZA. The Fritzes took a cunning path: they created the Solothurn company in Switzerland (actually owned by Rheinmetall) and developed their own cannon. The reason is simple - in the early 30s, compliance with the Treaty of Versailles was still monitored, so the Beauches had to come up with cunning plan... By the way, in our time "Rheinmetall" simply swallowed "Oerlikon".

So the Fritz as MZA was not Oerlikon, but his competitor ST-5 from Soloturn. But the Germans had air guns developed by Erlikon, yes. In 1936 it was already possible to put on Versailles and buy a license.

The Allies had anti-aircraft "Erlikons" - the Limes and the Yankees.

[pts-m]

that one of them will finish off these artillery systems for tourists who have swum for buoys. such a special kind of entertainment. otherwise it will cost more to look for them.

[Primus pilus]

They are effective against infantry.

[Mountain shooter]

Some kind of gauge is not running. What, and the ammunition under it is new, special? What new winds are blowing in the barrel air defense?

[Primus pilus]

ZSU Cheetah such guns.

[Corsair0304]

Most likely the price of the issue plays a role here. A cheetah will definitely be more expensive, albeit a harsh car, not without it.
The photo is clickable.

[Primus pilus]

The Bundeswehr Cheetahs was removed from service 5 years ago. So I think they could be bought for cheap.

[zennon]

Quote: Primus Pilus

The Bundeswehr Cheetahs removed from service 5 years ago.

In vain. Against migrants, that's it.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Some kind of gauge is not running. What, and the ammunition under it is new, special? What new winds are blowing in the barrel air defense?

Caliber - old, Swiss. Both towed MZA and ZSU were made in it. "Cheetahs" even in NATO were in service - the Germans, the Dutch and the Belgians.
So the 35 mm is rather a rare caliber, and not a bad one.

The slow-moving caliber is the "Rheinmetall" 27 mm MZA based on the "Mauser" air cannon. Wow, it’s a perversion.

[KVIRTU]

"AHEAD ammunition is designed to intercept air targets. Each projectile is programmed with an electromagnetic inductor located near the muzzle, which sets an electric timer for activation and separation of the projectile into 152 heavy tungsten, rotation stabilized fragments (3,3 g each)."

More details: http://warinform.ru/News-view-270.html

[Green1976]

Would buy our zushki cheap and cheerful! (Do you want to put on a pickup truck or on a truck!)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Green1976

Would buy our zushki cheap and cheerful! (Do you want to put on a pickup truck or on a truck!)

Key words: anti-aircraft artillery complex. That is, this combination: radar / optics + SUAO + power drives for MZA.
In our country, the ZU-23-2 has only a mechanical sight and mechanical guidance drives. And in terms of the MZA with power induction drives, our army air defense went along the path of the ZSU.

[Hydrograph]

Quote: Green1976

Would buy our zushki cheap and cheerful! (Do you want to put on a pickup truck or on a truck!)

And trying to shoot down the target with a bunch of iron blanks. One joy is cheap. For example: Shilka target MIG 17 speed 250 m / s slant range 500 m height 1000 m probability of hitting 0,39%. And the zushki are generally on the principle of "Take two fingers to the left"

[Mikhail Krapivin]

But Thailand is going to fight with whom?

[yanus]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

Gdf007

Well, they are not friends with Cambodia ...

[Red_Hamer]

And this is from whom and against whom and in general why?

[Corsair0304]

"Jarome"
Such a penny "fool" hidden in the jungle can riddle and land any combat helicopter, be it an Apache or an Alligator.

"Alexey RA"
Quote: Wiruz
I may not understand something, but what exactly are they going to bring down? WWII attack aircraft?
Helicopters, subsonic information security and attack aircraft with "cast iron" and NAR, light aircraft of local drug lords, etc., etc.
The neighbors of Thailand have a lot of everything volatile, for which these MZAK - just right.

[IT Professional]

Perhaps they want to organize a system for intercepting missiles, artillery and mortar shells on the basis of these complexes. http://topwar.ru/21633-postupila-na-vooruzhenie-pervaya-batareya-zak-mantis.html

[Yak-3P]

"arrows" would have bought more .. how many helicopters there are no how many erlikons they have .. yes, and in the case of a database, the first scribe will come running to them

[seregatara1969]

a malicious little thing under the control of a computer-like splinter will be

[Hydrograph]

"Notable for the use of electric drives with digital guidance, as well as the possibility of using AHEAD projectiles with a programmable fuse", "towed automatic anti-aircraft artillery mounts"

The thing is excellent and the mockery of poor Thais is incomprehensible. We need something similar with a drive and most importantly with a remote fuse in the projectile and caliber 30-27-35 is not so important. And you will not tighten the equipment on the fur to any place and you know the cost of the chassis. And the application is quite universal air-water-ground for any purpose with such control devices along three channels.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Hydrograph

We need something similar with a drive and most importantly with a remote fuse in the projectile and caliber 30-27-35 is not so important.

For whom? We have practically no purely infantry units — only tank and motorized gunners. And for them it is important to cover on the march, which can only provide self-propelled MZA - ZSU or ZRPK.

And for light infantry brigades, such as mountain shooters, this 7-ton charger, and even a trailer with a radar, are too heavy. It’s easier to take MANPADS.

As for the country's air defense, they also finally took into account the experience of Vietnam, Egypt, Syria and Iraq. And they realized that a quick change of positions is the key to a long life of the air defense system. Therefore, we chose a mobile ZRPK - "shell".

[Hydrograph]

Fighting not only on the march will have to be, as I understand it, small, not particularly important areas to cover the air defense system, why not? With regards to the "armor" so shells with a remote fuse are for him darling.

[shans2]

it would be better to buy conventional MANPADS, more benefits.

[padded jacket]

A sufficiently effective remedy against helicopters and attack aircraft, and possibly against the Tomahawk-type missiles, in any case, the Serbian Prague Tomahawks were shot down.
In Iran, the production of such ACs called Samavat has been established.

At the parade:

In most cases, they are used there as stationary to protect some kind of objects and often together with air defense systems in this case with Rapira.

Around the Iranian Nuclear Center in Natanz

Radar and optoelectronic search and target tracking system of the MSA of the Iranian Samavat memory.

[chunga-changa]

Against small-medium drones and careless helicopters - a great thing, we would like to. Yes, and the infantry can drive on occasion.

[Hey]

Recently there was information either on the revival of production, or on the modernization of the existing 57-mm S-60, our anti-aircraft guns. So there is a sense in such systems. Especially with the advent of new programmable shells.

[bender8282]

armed transvestites ... already goosebumps