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Briefly about the modern educational strategy ...

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The school year passed through the equator, and, by tradition, in the educational environment - new hopes, aspirations, plans. The main hope is connected with the fact that, finally, the era of reforming the educational system will end, and both teachers and students breathe deeply, freeing themselves from a series of various experiments and “innovations” that, excuse me, zatyukali (in the framework of the standards of decency pick up more or less literary word) officials from education.


However, unfortunately, there is no need to talk about the completion of the reform process, which has lasted for two decades at least. It seems that somewhere “above” there are people who simply benefit from the endless process of violence against the educational environment, which does not lead to an adequate result. A sort of controlled chaos in a single branch of the country; and in the industry, which by definition is strategic for any state that is really going to defend its interests and develop.

At what stage of reforming the education model is Russia now? Answering this question, we can single out several very “original” areas, which, as it turns out, in fact have little in common with the real stage-by-stage development. One of the pillars of the modern domestic (if it can be called a term derived from the basis of “Fatherland”) is a document written by the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation - the Federal State Educational Standard, acquaintance with which causes genuine emotions.

An important aspect of the Federal State Educational Standard (GEF) is a paragraph devoted to what should, according to the authors of the document, be a modern school graduate. You know, this is a very interesting piece of reading, especially considering the fact that quite recently Mr. Fursenko (the one who served as Minister of Education and Science) announced the need to educate and educate not creators, but qualified consumers ...

So, what does this GEF itself say about the qualities of a modern graduate who are ordered to be ordered by the state itself (the state standard)? Item 6 Section I GEF:

The standard is focused on the development of the personal characteristics of a graduate (“portrait of a graduate of a primary school”):
who loves his land and his homeland, who knows Russian and his native language, who respects his people, his culture and spiritual traditions;
aware of and accepting the values ​​of human life, family, civil society, multi-ethnic Russian people, humanity;
actively and keenly knowing the world, aware of the value of work, science and creativity;
able to learn, aware of the importance of education and self-education for life and activity, able to apply this knowledge in practice;
socially active, respecting the law and the rule of law, commensurate their actions with moral values, aware of their responsibilities to family, society, Fatherland;
respecting other people, able to conduct a constructive dialogue, achieve mutual understanding, cooperate to achieve common results;
consciously adhering to the rules of a healthy and environmentally sound lifestyle that is safe for humans and its environment;
based in the world of professions, understanding the importance of professional activity for a person in the interests of the sustainable development of society and nature.


Briefly about the modern educational strategy ...As you can see, everything is more than constructive. They even mentioned creativity, praising the statement of educational guru Fursenko ... On the threshold of the school, waving her hand in farewell, there must be a truly ideal graduate who knows the purpose in life, respects other people, honors traditions, recognizes the importance of education, work, science and creativity ...

Further, in the Federal State Educational Standard, 100500 points, which state that a modern Russian graduate is generally unique with formed mathematical, physical, geographical, literary and other types of thinking, able to operate with symbolic languages ​​and interpret the results .

It would seem that pure idealization and utopia, which in modern realities, God forgive me, the Bologna system and the EHE of the whole country looks absurd. However, f is not idealization, the Ministry of Education and Science tells us all. This is the standard! That is, a graduate of a school must possess, by definition, the kind of thinking that is unique with all the officials recalled. And do not care that such a single person has one hour of the same physics a week, but he, you know, must have physical thinking and (extract from GEF) “An understanding of the physical fundamentals and principles of operation (work) of machines and mechanisms, vehicles and communications, household appliances, industrial technological processes, their influence on the environment; awareness of the possible causes of technological and environmental disasters; gaining experience in applying scientific methods of knowledge, observation of physical phenomena, conducting experiments, simple experimental studies, direct and indirect measurements using analog and digital measuring devices; understanding of the inevitability of errors of any measurements ".

It can be seen that the child prodigy graduate (and so, as the standard says, every young consumer must be on paper) must understand the inevitability of errors of any measurements, and officials from the educational system, judging by everything, do not recognize any errors of their own work. Well, what kind of, sorry, mathematical and physical thinking is being discussed now, when instead of the systematic transfer of knowledge and skills, a pseudo-educational mess is exploited. For only one secondary school, hundreds of textbooks and study guides, which sometimes publish mutually exclusive theses (primarily speaking about the humanities), are “approved” by the bureaucratic apparatus.

This mess with textbooks has repeatedly been the subject of discussion. From the lips of President Vladimir Putin sounded the words about the need to create a single textbook (for a start) stories. However, in the autumn of the past year (2015), the government rejected the Yarovaya-Nikonov bill, which spoke about the concept of a single line of textbooks. The Cabinet said that a single textbook, you see, violates the principle of variation in education. But if so, then what, I'm sorry, why the hell did government officials enter in stormy long standing ovations when Vladimir Putin offered to introduce the mentioned single history textbook for Russian schools. That is, before the eyes of the president, they sweaty in their sweaty palms, and then the initiative was lowered on the brakes, without particularly betraying the result to the public. Hypocrisy? It turns out that it is the most ...

And is it not hypocrisy to publish the pretentious GEF, which refers to the “standard wizardkind graduate” against the background of the monstrous decline in the level of education and the growth of the level of powerlessness of the teacher ... Against the background of all the same statements about the “qualified consumer” ... Is it not a hypocrisy to improve the final statistics by not growing the quality of schoolchildren’s knowledge on the basis of an adequate standardization that meets real public and state demands, and a lowering of the “satisfactory” score? As you know, you can adjust anything to positive statistics, but will such statistics give impetus to our engineers in the future creating their own projects, rather than being content with projects purchased abroad (if sanctions allow ...)? ... They made their own competitive product, rather than puzzled over which country is now more profitable to be friends with in order to borrow the necessary products from it.

So far, all reform activities have been reduced to ensure that, at any inspection by a higher authority, all the papers of the director, the head teachers and the ordinary teachers are, as they say, in order. And in order - it is, according to modern norms, how? And this is so that the higher the stack of papers, the more “professional” the teacher would be ... The more he “drew” fours and fives, even if there is nothing to draw, the better - a) for personal statistics, b) for ministry reporting .

As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...
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  1. Mera joota
    Mera joota 12 January 2016 06: 13
    10
    when Vladimir Putin proposed introducing the aforementioned unified history textbook for Russian schools. That is, in front of the president’s eyes they patted him in sweaty hands, and then they lowered the initiative on the brakes, not publicizing the result. Hypocrisy?

    No, understanding that this is his ordinary blah blah blah ... He said a lot of things.
    1. nils
      nils 12 January 2016 06: 32
      117
      The Minister of Education and Science of Russia Livanov said that his department rejected the idea of ​​introducing a single history textbook in Russian schools - instead, a single historical and cultural standard will be developed that will become the basis for the development of textbooks.
      Those. the practice of different textbooks with the erosion of historical facts will continue.

      Published by Moscow State University Professor Alexander Vdovin in collaboration with Professor Alexander Barsenkov, the book History of Russia. 1917 – 2004 ”caused a stormy negative reaction in the United States, as well as in certain circles of the Russian intelligentsia.
      The baton of Americans was immediately picked up by TV presenter and member of the Public Chamber N. Svanidze and director of the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights for Interethnic Relations, Alexander Brod. Svanidze, on behalf of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, demanded that the book of Vdovin and Barsenkov be banned as “extremist,” and Brod put it “in a row of xenophobic literature of recent years.”
      The case of Vdovin on the ORT channel "Business of Principle":
      - Z. Svetova (journalist of The New times, with her article the campaign of persecution of A.I. Vdovin started): "Professors, authors of the textbook should be prohibited from teaching, the textbook should be removed from the teaching system"
      - Musaev (Chechen lawyer): "I was instructed by my client to study this textbook for the presence of inciting ethnic hatred there. ... Yes, the textbook contains incitement to ethnic hatred."
      - V. Solovey: "... Vdovin is being persecuted only because he wrote his textbook from the point of view of the interests of the Russian people, hence the accusations of inciting ethnic hatred and anti-Semitism."

      During the transfer, the masks were dropped, the opposite side clearly stated that the Russians had no right to their history. In general, the racist background of this case was clearly visible. Chechens, Jews have the right to defend their national interests, Russians do not. Well done, K. Zatulin, clearly brought both Svetova and, especially, Diskin to clean water.

      A people without history is not a nation. Axima of sociology. THEY KNOW THIS.
      1. USSR 1971
        USSR 1971 12 January 2016 06: 50
        32
        Of course, our Ukrainian "partners" also started with textbooks (guess who wrote them), a whole generation has brains on Gilyak.
        1. Kostyar
          Kostyar 12 January 2016 16: 25
          19
          All these "reformers" should be put up against the wall! Otherwise, nothing will change ...
          The son of teachers himself, and I see how today those who have the opportunity to pay for a tutor, only they can give a more or less worthy, school education, I'm not talking about higher education, where there is nothing to do without money !!!
          ps And the most important thing is that parents are absolutely helpless, like teachers, and nothing depends on them !!! - and there is no way to influence the development of events ... !!!!!!!
          Therefore, there is only one way out, the execution of the traitors of the Motherland, and in all spheres of the country's life, the more people know these traitors by name !!!!!!!
          1. OlegLex
            OlegLex 13 January 2016 17: 52
            +3
            You know, I set a minus, and not because I don’t agree, just a turn for agreeing, because my finger doesn’t flinch on the trigger, because hatred of all kinds of liberals and lovers of our country is already going through the roof. Minus for the fact that the easiest way does not mean the most correct. No, you don’t need to shoot, you don’t need to make martyrs out of them, and then fan the fire to such an extent that they cut down the WHOLE forest and the people will be in place of chips. There is no need to bring the situation in the country to such a state when they themselves either start firing or flee to London city to such a mother.
            Already today, these bastards are starting to rock the country, here both PLATO and games at exchange rates (few know that experts estimate the real ruble rate in dollars as 23 to 1) and few think what battles are in the upper echelons, because we all nod on the First, but He just wages the main struggle with them, an example is the story of Serdyukov and his women. Everything was literally everything, bought from us and from them, and no one even noticed that it was during his service that the green men appeared, and the new weapons and, in fact, the new army, which was headed by the best minister at X-hour.
            So, hands will reach our education, albeit not by a direct but exclusively Byzantine way, but they will reach. (at least I believe it)
      2. Constructor1
        Constructor1 12 January 2016 07: 06
        37
        However, in the fall of the past (2015), the government rejected the Yarovoy-Nikonov bill, which spoke about the concept of a single line of textbooks. The Cabinet said that a single textbook, you see, violates the principle of variability of education.

        Different textbooks are cretinism !! Children (with marks 4 and 5) come to the school for testing from the disbanding physical-mat school and fail on tests !! And why? Yes, different programs and educational literature.
        The child is now in the 7th grade - the textbooks have more or less become informational, but the textbooks in the 5th-6th grade were something ... You open the paragraph, but there are only questions in it and you can’t find a single answer .., only a search on the Internet helped.
        Constantly parents asked questions - what kind of "@@" "were they compiled textbooks of history, society ... in which there are no answers to the questions asked? And why such textbooks WERE IMPOSED FROM TOP?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 12 January 2016 07: 55
          39
          I liked the photo for the article - with a subtle critical hint.
          Modern Russian education - up ... (ass). The leaders of the Security Council of the Russian Federation also think not with their heads, but ... And this is still mildly said.
          I’m tired of constantly talking about the interests of the West in the collapse of Russian education and science.
          1. Altona
            Altona 12 January 2016 11: 29
            10
            Quote: Tatiana
            Modern Russian education - up ... (ass). The leaders of the Security Council of the Russian Federation also think not with their heads, but ... And this is still mildly said.

            ---------------------
            I already see where this "education" leads when looking for a job. All around young "entrepreneurs". Everyone tells me that at their work "you have to run constantly and you will go crazy." I even hesitate to ask: "Have you tried to plan your work? Find bottlenecks and prepare for them in advance." But apparently they are generally far from such things. They somehow "won" a tender or received an order, got some loot, then how it goes. And this is with any activity that they are engaged in.
            1. GDP
              GDP 12 January 2016 12: 14
              29
              I’ve been working for 12 years in the field of higher and secondary specialized education ... It is impossible to talk about what our Min Obr does without a mat.
              1 - Every year, graduates are prepared weaker and weaker, and this despite the fact that the salaries of teachers have significantly exceeded the salaries of candidates for doctoral degrees! (There is no such thing anywhere in the world! So that a person graduating from something like an institute would receive more than a Ph.D. (8 years of training and serious financial and moral expenses))!

              Only here there are no results from this ... As there were requisitions at school, they remained, and the quality of teaching only worsened.
              That is, the devastation in the head begins with school and further determines the quality of training at all levels of education!

              Teachers became indifferent to students, for the most part without a spark in the eyes. Everything is displayed on the shoulders of parents who either do not have time or money for tutors. The teacher is not trying to bring to the mind of the student, even the first grader! For example, we had to hire two tutors for our 3 class child and spend up to 4 hours a day on our own.

              Textbooks - Sometimes we ourselves cannot understand the task that our children require in textbooks, often the tasks are formulated so that they can be understood in two ways. Most textbooks are written in such a way that skipping something in the lesson is no longer possible to independently study the material.

              Programs - overloaded. Min Obr is trying to cram into the heads of children - not crammed and fit all into one standard without taking into account individual characteristics.

              many реформи in universities are aimed at knocking out money. I did not have time to redo all the documentation in one year. In the following, the requirements change again, as a result, the work of teachers is reduced to constant rewriting of paper, less and less time is left for the introduction of new teaching methods and science ...
              So, for example, I had to redo a lot of documents and websites due to the fact that MIN OBR decided to replace the word - an applicant with applicants, etc. ...

              The Min Obra officials themselves carry out the reforms in exactly the same way as teachers of children teach in schools - that is, they give instructions on how they will not give a damn. For example, an order is issued to establish systems for protection against inappropriate content.
              But the list of banned sites is not issued, there is no indication of free programs that exist. Due to the fact that one official is not able to scratch his ass and spend a couple of hours linking to software and attaching a list of banned sites, tens of thousands of people across the country have to spend their time and money ....
              1. GDP
                GDP 12 January 2016 12: 32
                12
                The activities of the Ministry of Education can be characterized by the following words - indifference, incompetence and a complete separation from reality
                It seems that the Ministry of Education and education itself live in completely different worlds.
                1. tank64rus
                  tank64rus 12 January 2016 19: 33
                  13
                  If this is a respected one, and you do not think that this is just sabotage. Someone earns himself a comfortable life in Londongrad or Florida. Remember this "minister" Kozyrev or Koch and Chubais and his comrades. I have been teaching at a higher school since the 90s, but we have now reached such delirium in higher education that we can only talk about deliberate betrayal and sabotage, and this is the main danger for Russia.
                  1. Proxima
                    Proxima 12 January 2016 22: 32
                    +3
                    Quote: tank64rus
                    If this is a respected one, and you do not think that this is just sabotage. Someone earns himself a comfortable life in Londongrad or Florida. Remember this "minister" Kozyrev or Koch and Chubais and his comrades. I have been teaching at a higher school since the 90s, but we have now reached such delirium in higher education that we can only talk about deliberate betrayal and sabotage, and this is the main danger for Russia.

                    Do you know what was the first decree signed by wrecker No. 1 Yeltsin? This is a decree "On priority measures for the development of education in the RSFSR." The education system is the heart of our state. These creatures know perfectly well where to hit. The conclusion here is unequivocal: the entire Ministry of Education should be sent to cut ice into cubes near Magadan under the article "CHANGE OF THE HOMELAND" (if there is one). Otherwise, things will not get off the ground. There are people from the State Department in this ministry, let it be better to sit in another place.
                2. tank64rus
                  tank64rus 12 January 2016 19: 33
                  +3
                  If this is a respected one, and you do not think that this is just sabotage. Someone earns himself a comfortable life in Londongrad or Florida. Remember this "minister" Kozyrev or Koch and Chubais and his comrades. I have been teaching at a higher school since the 90s, but we have now reached such delirium in higher education that we can only talk about deliberate betrayal and sabotage, and this is the main danger for Russia.
                3. mervino2007
                  mervino2007 14 January 2016 17: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: GDP
                  The activities of the Ministry of Education can be characterized by the following words - indifference

                  This is not the indifference of officials from education, this is the order of the West to change the ideology of the country, which they carry out. This is a reinstallation of the training of the Creators - into consumers. The efforts and money of the USA to train our teachers will not be in vain. This is the education of nihilism among future school graduates, the denial of the history of their country. Here is a mine that will split our society in .... years.
              2. Constructor1
                Constructor1 12 January 2016 12: 44
                +4
                Quote: GDP
                and this despite the fact that the salaries of teachers significantly exceeded the salaries of candidates for a doctor of science! (There is no such thing anywhere in the world! So that a person who graduated as an institute would receive more than a Ph.D. (8 years of study and serious financial and moral expenses))!

                Does a candidate and a doctor of science receive only 10000 rubles? The wife of a teacher 1k, receives from 15 to 17t.r. - despite the fact that the utility costs up to 10 thousand. Did the teacher get rich?
                Quote: GDP
                Most textbooks are written in such a way that skipping something in the lesson is no longer possible to independently study the material.

                That's right!
                Quote: GDP
                As a result, the work of teachers is reduced to constant rewriting of paper, less and less time is left for the introduction of new teaching methods and science ...

                Well, a wife with reports sometimes spent several nights in a row until 3 nights.
                1. GDP
                  GDP 12 January 2016 13: 16
                  +7
                  The salary of a teacher at school depends on the length of service. An experienced teacher with us receives approximately 15-22 000 rubles. (In other regions up to 83 000р) Country average is 32000 rubles.
                  Candidates for Doctors of Sciences at our university receive an average of somewhere 14 - 16000 p.
                  In this case, the candidate does not study 5, but 8 years. Not every graduate is able to complete graduate school and defend a candidate.
                  A school teacher teaches the same discipline every year. A university teacher teaches several disciplines that are constantly changing + he is also obliged to engage in science and methodological work.

                  I taught at school and I have something to compare. When I go to a lesson at school I absolutely do not need to get ready for class - I already know everything by heart ... When I go to read a couple at the institute I need constant preparation, almost every day ...
                  1. Constructor1
                    Constructor1 12 January 2016 14: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: GDP
                    (In other regions, up to 83 rubles) The national average is 000 rubles.

                    To know where and who has such salaries. 5 years ago, our city education minister was going to sue the newspaper for the fact that they revealed her salary of 400 thousand rubles
                  2. IS-80
                    IS-80 12 January 2016 14: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: GDP
                    The salary of a teacher at school depends on the length of service. An experienced teacher with us receives approximately 15-22 000 rubles. (In other regions up to 83 000р) Country average is 32000 rubles.

                    You do not have an hour with any storytellers relative? I have a familiar rural teacher of the highest category of 15000 p. receives with an experience of more than 30 years.
                    1. GDP
                      GDP 12 January 2016 16: 28
                      +1
                      Average salary of school teachers in the country for the 2015 year:
                      http://businessplace.info/178-zarplata-uchiteley.html

                      Yamal-Nenets Aut. 76 449 / 83 174 County
                      Moscow region 37 602
                      Stavropol Territory 21 487 (this is where we live)
                      (They say lies about 15-20%) actually somewhere 17-18000
                      Republic of Dagestan 18 505
                      1. little man
                        little man 14 January 2016 14: 24
                        -1
                        salary should be number two in the education dispute. In what other profession will the employee explain his professional failure as a bad salary? All of recent years we hear this only from teachers and doctors. Although I am for everyone to have a decent income and a decent life. Exactly what you deserve. But in fact, not always worthy (in any profession) receive a decent salary.
                      2. avia1991
                        avia1991 14 January 2016 23: 29
                        0
                        Quote: GDP
                        Average salary of school teachers in the country for the 2015 year:

                        You are just an amazing romantic laughing
                        If you yourself write that
                        Quote: GDP
                        (They say lies about 15-20%) actually somewhere 17-18000
                        why do you think you don’t lie about other places?
                        The very notion of AVERAGE suggests that most teachers are paid less - because it counts as SECONDARY IN EDUCATION, not among teachers. Estimate how much functionaries receive in various educational institutions (of which there are 5 times more of them than during the Soviet Union!), And think how much teachers should receive in order to "average" the desired figure?
                        In the Central Federal District, by the way, on average 32, it was a couple of months ago .. I would not mind at all that my wife (she, by the way, also the head teacher) would get such a salary.
                        Who would consider the average for schools excluding the salary of administration (in large schools it is much higher than that of a teacher)? Then there would be something objective.
                  3. avia1991
                    avia1991 12 January 2016 14: 32
                    +6
                    Quote: GDP
                    The salary of a teacher at school depends on the length of service. An experienced teacher receives approximately 15-20 000 rubles.
                    Do not hang noodles for people, dear. It is quite clear that you work in a "tower", or (rather) as an education official, and feed on myths about how "cool" teachers make money! To get 18 thousand, his wife’s colleague is an elementary school teacher, but with 25 years of experience, adored by children and one of the best in the city for many years, she is forced to drag a class of 32 (!) Spin-nosed people, plus keep an extension! This is already with all possible allowances, for length of service, cl. manual (+ 200 rubles per month!), category! And you call this "zazhralis" ?! Have you ever tried to work not with a group of students, a priori interested in learning - but with a class of adolescents in puberty ?! WHICH YOUR TRAINING PROGRAM IS BEFORE ... ONE PLACE! And you MUST teach them how you want! You can neither punish nor force your parents to monitor the child - you do not have such legal rights!
                    And all this is the initiative of the Ministry of Education, which for some reason believed that only children needed to protect the Law - the teachers themselves were to blame for all the troubles.
                    Yes, here you are writing
                    Quote: GDP
                    I taught at school and I have something to compare.
                    I have a strong suspicion that it happened 10 years ago, when the "Soviet" attitude towards learning had not yet completely survived, and the children, at the very least, were learning. The famous "2100" had not yet spread, the Federal State Educational Standards were only in the State Department's plans, and the Unified State Exam was still modestly called an "experimental test examination test" (unofficially, since at first it was one of the options "whatever the child is amused with"). I have been observing the evolutionary degradation of the school for 18 years, and I see no reason to reject the material in the article. Moreover, I believe that the article is written rather "softly". In particular, it only indirectly says about the bureaucratic "weight" that is heaped on the same teachers: if your "candidate for doctor" is imposed at least half (!) Of the volume of reporting and other rubbish that teachers are forced to draw up - he (the candidate) will never become a doctor. Once he will be engaged in science.
                    Quote: GDP
                    When I go to a lesson at school I absolutely do not need to prepare for a lesson - I already know everything by heart ...
                    You forgot one thing: the task of such a teacher is not to give a lecture, not always taking special care of the result, but to LOB the knowledge of your subject into an often empty head, which DOES NOT WANT to study this subject wassat ..by the way: what - university textbooks change so much from year to year?
                    No, sir: I still have big doubts about your school experience. By the way: if everything is good there, money and simply - why did you go to college?
                    And do not tell me at the same time where do poor candidates get new cars from? Sufficiently expensive clothes? Mobiles the size of a shovel, with the cost of a country house? Summer holidays in foreign countries? I don’t take all kinds of MNSs in research institutes - those in torn trousers both walked and continue. And here university teachers - this is a separate "song".
                    1. GDP
                      GDP 12 January 2016 16: 48
                      +4
                      You forgot one thing: the task of such a teacher is not to give a lecture, not always taking special care of the result, but to LOB the knowledge of your subject into an often empty head, which DOES NOT WANT to study this subject

                      That the school is at the university - the situation does not change, and here and here, with rare exceptions, they do not want to study, and here and there we grind into empty heads and tremble nerves ...
                      The difference lies in the fact that at least parents can be called up at school, and at the university, college, even these levers of influence are absent ....
                      By the way: what - university textbooks change so much from year to year?
                      It’s not that the textbooks are changing, but
                      firstly
                      the fact is that we are obliged to teach at the university a level of more complex material than at school (therefore, one or two textbooks cannot be limited)
                      And secondly
                      You have to teach not one, but several subjects at once. For example, I teach Natural History, Geography, Nature Management, Information Technology, Pedagogy, Computer Graphics, Web Design, World Information Resources, etc. ... Each year, the list of subjects changes depending on how the load is redistributed.

                      where do poor candidates get new cars from?

                      Fair! I have no idea :) Every second teacher has a foreign car, and I go on foot to save money on minibuses ... It's embarrassing to take bribes, and they don’t offer ... Maybe rich husbands buy cars for them?

                      My colleague in the department bought Ford, and the deputy director of advertising - Merce, But they are both retired military (that is, receive a pension) + 1 is engaged in repair and decoration, and the second is involved in election campaigns ...
                      1. EvgNik
                        EvgNik 12 January 2016 17: 41
                        +2
                        If I could, I would support more than one plus point. It’s bitter to read all this. And it hurts for me.
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                      3. avia1991
                        avia1991 13 January 2016 08: 26
                        0
                        Quote: GDP
                        The difference is that at least parents can be called to school,

                        When I was at university (a year after school), the teachers successfully worked with their parents (group curator). If you are interested in both, the third lol
                        As for today, yes, you can call the parents of the student. TO MAKE something to be done - NO. Sometimes THIS comes there, which is immediately clear - this is a "weight", if you cannot directly tune the student to study - that's all, you just have to drag this "weight" to the 8th grade, and - get off to school. Because it is useless to bring it to the GIA - it will not hand over. And this is again a headache for the school.
                        Quote: GDP
                        more complex material than at school (so one or two textbooks cannot be limited)
                        You see, that's how it is - only at school has its own troubles on this topic: textbooks change, and additional tasks, and the amount of material. And, given that a significant part of the educational process is carried out for "self-training", the teacher also "digs" the Internet in order to have time to read what children SHOULD FIND, correlate it with their knowledge "HOW IT IS CORRECT", sort out the mistakes made on the Internet - and then discuss it during the lesson! So "I know by heart" won't work today hi
                        Quote: GDP
                        You have to teach not one, but several subjects at once.
                        And here you, Vladimir, sign in providing students with a low-quality education.
                        Though you are seven spans in the forehead - to become a specialist in EVERY of the topics listed by you will fail, which means that your students receive less knowledge, even if they have a desire to learn. I understand why teachers do this: you have to earn money, and funding depends on the number of students, and not on the quality of trained specialists. Therefore, reductions, redistribution of subjects, several rates "in combination" - or even several universities, between which the teacher rushes. THE ESSENCE IS ONE: thanks to the "efforts" of the state to reform the education system, the quality of training specialists is steadily declining! .. Contrary to the cheerful statements of "talking heads" about "improving results."
                        Quote: GDP
                        It’s a shame to take bribes, and they don’t offer ...

                        laughing So SHAME - or simply DO NOT OFFER ?!
                        I hope that this is precisely the first. hi
                        Quote: GDP
                        + 1st is engaged in repair and decoration,
                        I think now he will "move out" in terms of living standards. "Renovation and finishing" appeared all over Russia .. well, in Moscow, perhaps, people are stirring.
                        I’m not out of sympathy, and not for the sake of mocking your colleague - by the way, I had to, because I myself am in the subject.
                      4. GDP
                        GDP 13 January 2016 10: 37
                        0
                        And here you, Vladimir, sign in providing students with a low-quality education.

                        Nothing like all subjects within the framework of the specialties I studied.

                        Natural science, geography, nature management, geoinformatics - this is 1 higher education.
                        Information Technology, Computer Graphics, Web Design - 2 Higher Education
                        - Psychology, pedagogy, culture of social work - the third ...

                        In fact, I have three higher educations, a graduate school and a candidate ...

                        But one thing you correctly noticed - if I had the opportunity to go in one direction, and so you have to get out ... I teach normally, but I could better, the damage is done to science. In fact, my scientific activity came to naught, as a scientist I just became 0, now I'm just a teacher.

                        Although all these items are very interesting.
                      5. avia1991
                        avia1991 14 January 2016 23: 17
                        0
                        Quote: GDP
                        all subjects within the framework of the specialties I studied.

                        I didn't put it quite accurately: you said that subjects are redistributed between teachers, and each one leads several disciplines. I doubt everyone is as professionally unique as you are - in any case, this kind of "optimization" of teaching does not improve its quality. Geography, nature management - yes, these are subjects of one direction. But what about calculus, chemistry and thermodynamics, for example? It seems that mathematics is everywhere .. but the difference is already more significant. But they teach, and not in such combinations! FOR WHAT? For the sake of making money. Does the country need such "generalists"? I don’t think so. You yourself say that, having three higher,
                        Quote: GDP
                        as a scientist, I became just 0, now I'm just a teacher.
                        Having no opportunity for development, the head turns into an archive with old records. Does the quality of education suffer from this? Of course. Especially if the teacher’s goal is to earn money - not the quality of students' training (not about you, I hope hi ).
                        Well, the saddest thing in the end:
                        Quote: GDP
                        all of these items are very interesting.

                        FOR WHOM? .. I do not argue about whether they are interesting, as an object - interesting, indisputable. Question: How many students are really interested in studying them? Do many people really like their specialization? Is the very thought of future work causing excitement and heartbeat? .. If you have a lot of these, you can only be glad. Personally, based on the information that I have, there are no reasons for joy. And this is a huge problem of the System.
                      6. GDP
                        GDP 15 January 2016 10: 29
                        +1
                        Having no opportunity for development, the head turns into an archive with old records. Does the quality of education suffer from this? Certainly

                        In my opinion, not so much the quality of education suffers from this as science, this is in my case ...
                        A young teacher who does not have much experience will suffer the quality of education.

                        Is the very thought of future work causing excitement and heartbeat? .. If you have a lot of these, you can only be glad. Personally, based on the information that I have, there are no reasons for joy. And this is a huge problem of the System.

                        My subjects are such that at 40% of classes I manage to keep the active interest of the audience, but 1 of 10 people really seriously engage. The point is not that it is not possible to interest, but that students have become terribly lazy and irresponsible. But their self-conceit CSO what!
                        Reasons - 1 - Internet, used to getting everything ready-made, used to watching movies, not reading books.
                        2 - do not know how to work independently
                        3 - the teacher has no real leverage on the student
                        4 - For really needed items, the number of hours per hour is reduced to those without which you can do - very significantly.
                        5 - The program is overloaded with materials that do not have real practical value in the future professional activities of students
                        etc...
                      7. avia1991
                        avia1991 16 January 2016 11: 10
                        0
                        Quote: GDP
                        Reasons - 1 - Internet, used to getting everything ready-made, used to watching movies, not reading books.
                        2 - do not know how to work independently
                        3 - the teacher has no real leverage on the student
                        4 - For really needed items, the number of hours per hour is reduced to those without which you can do - very significantly.
                        5 - The program is overloaded with materials that do not have real practical value in the future professional activities of students
                        etc...

                        On the question of school teachers: EVERYTHING IS EXACTLY THE SAME. Plus the complete unwillingness of parents to participate in the education and upbringing of the child: "SCHOOL SHOULD!" ..
                        Regarding the reduction of hours: my wife teaches just geography .. 1 (!!!) hour a week! He says, no matter how you explain, you have to remember something at the next lesson "from scratch" - children simply forget the material in a week! ..
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 12 January 2016 16: 02
            +3
            Quote: GDP
            The national average is 32000 rubles.

            By the way .. the average salary for education is considered together with universities - so blame yourself for the "beggarly earnings" of candidates.
            A teacher's salary does not depend on length of service, but on teaching hours. For seniority, the allowances are ridiculous - 200-300 rubles each - and practically do not affect the overall figures. And those teachers who earn 30 thousand, work "for wear and tear", in two shifts daily to gain more hours! How do you think: QUALITY of teaching from this improves?
            1. Rostov
              Rostov 12 January 2016 17: 59
              +4
              Quote: avia1991
              And those teachers who earn 30 thousand, work "for wear and tear", in two shifts a day to gain more hours!

              I will support you. His wife is a primary school teacher, with just such a salary. Works in two shifts. Additionally, he teaches the course "Don Territory" He leaves for work at 07.00, does not come from work before 17.00, and then check the notebooks until 21.00. Plus, as you indicated, all sorts of reports, electronic diaries, etc. And apparently you are right about your opponent - I'm a candidate of sciences! Self-esteem is overestimated and there is a complete lack of understanding of work at school. Parents can be called to school. What's the point? At the university, the student does not pull - under the ass with a broom and adieu. At school, it is practically impossible to expel a student.
              ps The only thing I agree with your opponent is that their salaries are really ridiculous, but this is not a reason to bully teachers who have "somehow graduated" from the university.
              1. bya965
                bya965 12 January 2016 19: 30
                +4
                Quote: Rostov
                Self-esteem is overestimated and there is a complete lack of understanding of work at school. Parents supposedly can be called to school. What's the point? At the university, the student does not pull - under the ass a broom and an adyu. At school, it’s almost impossible to expel a student.

                This is your personal speculation.
                Last year, my daughter was a curator at the Polytechnic and held several parent meetings. If Adyu and Broom are 12 students in the priest, then you reduce the teacher's rate. As a result, all universities have adopted amendments to the charter so that students are reduced once a year. They mess with everyone like with a written bag, they expel only outright boors and who does not appear at all.
                In general, my country will not be considered independent until we have our central bank and return to normal Soviet education.
                I believe that officials from the Ministry of Education and Science should be judged, if there is no article, then condemnation by the whole society as a TRAITOR.
                26 years of experience at the university. Head Chair on mehmat.
                PS. I can tell in a joke style about the standards of 3 generations, 3+ and the expected 4.
              2. Rostov
                Rostov 12 January 2016 20: 08
                -1
                Quote: bya965
                This is your personal speculation.

                What are my personal speculations, if the whole head of the department writes on mehmat
                Quote: bya965
                If Adyu and a broom on the pope 12 students, then reduce the teacher’s bid.

                That is, it just confirms my words about the priest and the broom and the corresponding deduction of the loafer. But since the same head of the department writes that
                Quote: bya965
                If Adyu and Broom have 12 students in their priests, then reduce the teacher’s rate.
                it turns out that having the ability to expel the negligent, they do not want to use this opportunity, so the rate is reduced! And in order to limit too principled teachers, they cranked up such a perdimonocle
                Quote: bya965
                As a result, all universities have adopted amendments to the charter, so that students reduce once a year

                And of course, someone at the Ministry of Education is to blame for this, and not universities that have adapted their charters to their needs, that is, pockets.
                Quote: bya965
                I believe that officials from the Ministry of Education and Science should be judged, if there is no article, then condemnation by the whole society as a TRAITOR

                But I completely agree with this, only the RANOVs seem to be not quite officials, they have weight and influence, but for some reason you don’t mention them. Forgot about them?
              3. avia1991
                avia1991 13 January 2016 09: 08
                0
                Quote: bya965
                cut the teacher’s bid. As a result, all universities have adopted amendments to the charter, so that students reduce once a year
                And what is the result? "NEDOspecialists" come to work, and then the ships do not go, planes fall, and appendicitis instead of tonsils is removed .. through the anus. AND WHY IS IT BETTER?
                It turns out that universities spat on the quality of education, for the sake of maintaining their own pockets! And in the Ministry of Education they look: "Oh - monetization is working, everything is in order!" And the snowball rolled ...
                Quote: bya965
                In general, my country will not be considered independent until we have our central bank and return to normal Soviet education.
                Well, it's hard to argue with that .. at least I won’t hi
              4. bya965
                bya965 13 January 2016 12: 57
                +1
                Well, many judge the problem superficially. After school, we at least make people out of them and from intelligent specialists.

                And also, if you study at school + 4 years of undergraduate + 2 years of master's program + 3 years of graduate school (now in graduate school they just go to classes, like at school) = then it will be possible to work as an assistant at the university and get 8 thousand salary, and even if for full bid. There are no fools even among fools.
                And so we kicked out 12 blockheads, cut the teacher for 50-60 years. Then better students appeared. Who will teach them? Papo Carlo, or what?
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 13 January 2016 09: 01
              0
              Quote: Rostov
              Self-esteem is overestimated and there is a complete lack of understanding of work at school.

              I don’t think that self-esteem is overrated here. It’s just that a person from the school system has long gone, and does not know the realities. And about the salary - well .. it’s clear that it’s a shame, being a scientist, and a specialist of a rather high level (I hope that so wink ), receive a "funny" salary. The only strange thing is that he does not understand HOW the "average for the country" (for the region) figure is displayed.
              Quote: Rostov
              At school, it’s almost impossible to expel a student
              Our law is so "smart", EVERYONE has the right to secondary education. But they forgot about the responsibility of parents, and they generally do not want to participate in the education of their children: "the school SHOULD!" It comes to a ridiculous point: the police detain the child for petty theft .. "It's the school's fault!" - screams the mother: "They completely ruined the child!" And she herself - "there is nowhere to put the brand."
            3. GDP
              GDP 13 January 2016 10: 24
              +3
              Our law is so "smart", EVERYONE has the right to secondary education. But they forgot about the responsibility of parents, and they generally do not want to participate in the education of their children:

              I can not agree with you ....
              I give an example:
              My daughter in the second grade started having problems with English (2100 program). I began to regularly study English with my child for two to three hours a day. The textbooks are terrible - not a damn thing is clear (this is nonsense, but it seems that the textbook is written for those who already speak English (as if for a student in an English school of first grade)) tried to reach the teacher to tell me about the preparation of the child, I just I can not find...
              I have never seen my daughter in school learn anything new on this subject, well, at least I learned one word, and they already require reading, translation, understanding of speech in the second grade ... there is zero knowledge. The teacher doesn’t give a damn about the situation ... All that my daughter learned was the two of us who studied with her ...
              I talked with all of them about their parents. Almost everyone hires tutors for their children and does their homework every day, because the children themselves cannot do anything. And this is the second class !!! These are little children!
              The question is - what do teachers get money for? To be taught by parents and tutors?
              When in the Soviet school I had problems in one or another lesson, they left me after classes and hammered into my head what I did not understand in the lesson, they dragged me, tormented my nerves. Now there is nothing like that ...
              Knowledge requirements oh what! And knowledge itself does not really give ...

              Why are parents forced to hire tutors and spend all their free time on the child’s homework, which, in theory, he should be able to do himself? I note - not one, two people in the class, but the vast majority!

              I understand if we were talking about a child, let's say - 7-th or even 4-th class. But not the first - the second! Then I'm sorry, the child came as a blank sheet of paper ...
            4. little man
              little man 14 January 2016 14: 35
              +1
              I completely agree with you. From elementary school, many hire tutors for their children and do homework with the child. I have a higher education and studied well at school, but I read the current textbooks with difficulty. Sometimes you need to read several times to understand the text. When I listen to the requirements for the exam, I doubt that I would have passed it. When you go to the teacher or (even!) To the director with a question and a request: help, the child is behind in the subject, and what is the matter? Answer: hire a tutor, and they themselves recommend each other. I don’t want to blame everyone for everything, there are enough good teachers and stupid students in the school. But the education system raises big questions.
      3. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 12 January 2016 19: 13
        +1
        Quote: avia1991
        How do you think: QUALITY of teaching from this improves?

        Dialectics not according to Hegel - an increase in the volume of hours of such "teaching" directly correlates with a decrease in its quality. 2nd law as applied to our education reform.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 12 January 2016 21: 55
      0
      There is a candidate of science, there is a doctor of science. But there are no candidates for a doctor of science.))
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 12 January 2016 22: 23
        +1
        What is the minus? Am I wrong? This is a fact: in the Russian Federation and some other countries there are two levels of academic degrees: candidate of science and doctor of science.
        1. GDP
          GDP 13 January 2016 11: 11
          0
          There is a candidate of science, there is a doctor of science. But there are no candidates for a doctor of science.))

          Good :) If not a Ph.D., then answer lol
  • teascher
    teascher 12 January 2016 16: 05
    +2
    GDP --- you're lying dear, without a twinge of conscience: an elementary school teacher coming to school from a pedagogical college receives a salary of about 3300 rubles, graduating from university-4916 rubles, working at 2 rates, with classroom management, etc. for 12 thousand. rubles. yes, and in any way the salary doesn’t depend practically: 25 years, + 500 rubles. And the categories give a little: 1st - 5697, the highest - 6145. Here and count.
    1. Glafira
      Glafira 12 January 2016 23: 26
      +6
      Quote: teascher
      GDP --- you're lying dear, without a twinge of conscience: an elementary school teacher coming to school from a pedagogical college receives a salary of about 3300 rubles, graduating from university-4916 rubles, working at 2 rates, with classroom management, etc. for 12 thousand. rubles. yes, and in any way the salary doesn’t depend practically: 25 years, + 500 rubles. And the categories give a little: 1st - 5697, the highest - 6145. Here and count.

      A terribly sad conversation is going on in the discussion ...
      Even teachers write, not following the rules of punctuation, and teachers demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the simplest logical constructions, do not feel the difference between a specific example and calculated average indicators.
      If a particular teacher receives a salary in her place from 3 to 12 thousand, it does not follow that the average salary values ​​called by GDP are incorrect !!!
      We type in the search engine a request and see the official numbers (http://businessplace.info/178-zarplata-uchiteley.html, nr):
      most of the regions of indigenous Russia - about 20 thousand. Pskov - 20t.r., Ryazan 23 t.r. But Moscow - 58, Peter - 40. And in Chukotka, yes, 75.
      When calculating the average teacher’s salary, not only the salaries of primary school teachers, but also graduation classes and, what is especially valuable, the salaries of the directors of all the above, are considered.
      In any decent statistics textbook, there is always a comment that the average value is never informative to describe processes with a large spread. And if the statistics really wanted to inform us, then, in addition to the average value, the scatter figures would necessarily lead (standard deviation). And so ...
      five teachers with a salary of 12 thousand, a dozen with a salary of 15 thousand and a couple of bosses with a salary of a hundred. The average, however, will be 24 thousand ...
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 13 January 2016 10: 02
        +2
        Quote: Glafira
        the average value is never informative

        There are three kinds of lies - a small lie, a big lie and statistics.
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 12 January 2016 17: 21
    +1
    Quote: GDP
    That is, the devastation in the head begins with school

    If we take fish for the system of state rotting reporting, then the school will be in the stomach area :-)
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 13 January 2016 09: 11
      0
      Quote: sa-ag
      the school will be in the stomach :-)

      I disagree, dear. School is a throat! .. On which we stepped on many years ago, and slowly "squeeze" ..
  • stopkran
    stopkran 13 January 2016 04: 36
    +2
    Everything goes according to a “false” plan, which is not there, but for some reason there are results!

    "The system of curbing thought is already in
    action, in the so-called visual learning system, which has
    turn gentiles into non-thinking, obedient animals awaiting visibility,
    to figure it out ... "(the true essence of the exam)
    "Protocols" http://lib.ru/POLITOLOG/AE/protokoly.txt_with-big-pictures.html
  • Archon
    Archon 13 January 2016 16: 07
    0
    we can add that not strong children are sent to the Olympics, but someone, just to participate. These children come, sit, do not write anything or draw from boredom, and then pass empty tasks. They themselves admit that they completely do not understand the subject and they are not interested in it. And they are sent only because it is necessary.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 12 January 2016 12: 23
    +2
    In-in, and you yourself planned to "win" these "tenders"? If some very smart Muscovite interrupts everyone at the cost of an energy audit of the Institute of Maternity and Childhood Protection in Khabarovsk from, in my opinion, 5 specialized buildings for a little over 100 thousand and 3,5 million. And then he sends the local "lo.ham" an offer to do the job for 75 thousand. These are the plans for tenders. I'm not even talking about contractual tenders, when at best you are invited and with a guilty look they say, well, take your application, we already have our own contractor. Again, this is at best. As a result, when the money is already on hold, people have nothing to pay their salaries with, you start to stupidly participate in all competitions in a row and a moment comes when they are ALL won, but there is no strength to do it stupidly. This is not the State Planning Committee for you, but "the invisible hand of His Majesty the Market." Or, in other words, a randomizer.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 12 January 2016 17: 36
    +3
    Quote: Altona
    I’m even ashamed to ask: “Have you tried planning your work?

    Have you noticed that we have a lot of people on our site who are against planning? And every day more of them. My wife and I are pensioners. And if it were not for pension planning, they would not have survived.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 12 January 2016 17: 31
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    I liked the photo for the article

    I absolutely agree with your theses (and not only about photography, with everyone). I am also writing about this. But. Who can hear us? And in 20-30 years only our children will be indignant (and that is far from all).
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2016 08: 47
    18
    Different textbooks are cretinism !! Children (with marks 4 and 5) come to the school for testing from the disbanding physical-mat school and fail on tests !! And why? Yes, different programs and educational literature.

    ---------
    The question arises, but what the hell did you need to change Soviet textbooks on physics and mathematics, is there that the Newton’s new law and the Pythagorean theorem ?!
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 12 January 2016 10: 07
      0
      Cynicism? Has anyone here tried to put in Google the translation of the names "Poroshenko" and "Fursenko"? bully
      The minister of something "golodets" is understandable and so ...
    2. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 12 January 2016 12: 20
      +3
      Then the authors of the new textbooks will find a fig with butter, and not a butcher with caviar. Hence the tramp with a bunch of textbooks. Everyone wants to grab their piece.
    3. Constructor1
      Constructor1 12 January 2016 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      The question arises, but what the hell did you need to change Soviet textbooks on physics and mathematics, is there that the Newton’s new law and the Pythagorean theorem ?!


      Quote: Haettenschweiler
      - Sounds dubious. No matter who and no matter how compiled the textbook, the laws of physics do not change from this. If "e = ms (square)", then it will be so forever and ever. Amen. It's the same with mathematics.


      Here you are wrong! Everything is much easier. Some topics are removed from the programs, and examples and tasks:
      - firstly - they reduce their number (the teacher has to look for and add additional tasks from the old textbooks and manuals),
      - and secondly, they greatly simplify tasks. In the classroom there are always several people whom the teacher leads - so to speak according to an individual program, gives them more complex and interesting tasks for such children. Because the complexity of the tasks in the textbook is quite low.

      Well, and one more thing, my child studied from 1st to 4th grade - let's say an "advanced" program, and when he moved to 5th, the children were not interested, because the 5th grade was essentially a repetition. And why? and elementary - just "advanced" textbooks above the 4th grade nobody wrote. There was no order - it turned out that they were not needed.

      3-4 years ago - teachers of mathematics and history, they proved to the director that it was impossible to teach children according to these textbooks and offered options for replacing other authors with textbooks, the director smiled and said that he was THERE! a paper came up from the ministry about what textbooks to order!
      THERE I think nepotism and kickbacks work in all ... whoever rolls back the most and is taught ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2016 17: 32
        0
        Quote: Designer 1
        Because the complexity of the tasks in the textbook is quite low
        during the union there were a lot of problems in physics and mathematics with complexity from simple schools to special
    4. avia1991
      avia1991 12 January 2016 14: 40
      +4
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Is there that Newton’s new law and the Pythagorean theorem ?!

      Here you are and hello ..
      Vladimir, why do you think the numerous relatives and friends of officials of the Ministry of Education will be fed? The publication of new textbooks is the same Klondike with Kolyma combined! And there is no need to mess around with any oil, the main thing is that there is someone to lobby "above" the new version of the "Pythagorean theorem" .. often even rewritten with errors.
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 13 January 2016 09: 54
        +1
        I think the same bodyaga and dressing up fires in blue, military and cops, the clothes are not cheap :)
    5. gunya
      gunya 12 January 2016 17: 30
      +1
      the question arises, but what the hell did you need to change Soviet textbooks in physics and mathematics, what’s there about Newton’s new law and the Pythagorean theorem ?!


      Firstly, they SOVIET !
      Secondly: to rip a coin for "composing new",
    6. EvgNik
      EvgNik 12 January 2016 17: 44
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      the question arises, but to hell did you need to change Soviet textbooks in physics and mathematics

      This is a question for those who have adopted the Bologna system of non-education.
  • svd-xnumx
    svd-xnumx 12 January 2016 21: 02
    +1
    The child is now in the 7th grade - the textbooks have more or less become informational, but the textbooks in the 5th-6th grade were something ... You open the paragraph, but there are only questions in it and you can’t find a single answer .., only a search on the Internet helped.
    Constantly parents asked questions - what kind of "@@" "were they compiled textbooks of history, society ... in which there are no answers to the questions asked? And why such textbooks WERE IMPOSED FROM TOP?
    And textbooks with errors? It's generally darkness, I have often encountered this when I helped my child with lessons. When calling the teacher, she answered that there was an error or a typo, they asked a question, but can you tell the children when you give homework?
  • Egen
    Egen 13 January 2016 05: 37
    0
    Quote: Designer 1
    but the textbooks in the 5-6 class were something ... You open a paragraph, but there are only questions in it and you can’t find a single answer .., only an Internet search helped.


    That's for sure! )))
  • razzhivin
    razzhivin 12 January 2016 15: 54
    +3
    the practice of different textbooks with erosion of historical facts will continue

    Unfortunately, textbooks these days are both politics and BUSINESS ... and very difficult (well, they repeat ) someone cannot be allowed into this business (even the president’s order doesn’t help) ...

    everything could be forgiven to this government, but modern "education" is impossible !!! negative
  • go21zd45few
    go21zd45few 12 January 2016 17: 38
    +2
    I don’t understand why Livanov, who ignores the president’s instructions, still occupies a ministerial chair, why the history of Russia should be limited to the period 1914-2004 and not 1242-2000. During the polls, our youth and schoolchildren do not know what the ice battle is, they do not know A.V. Suvorov, Zhukov. Don't know
    when the Second World War began, such an education in our schools, and this is our story. The President speaks a lot and gives instructions, but they are ignored by officials, knowing that they will not be held responsible,
    that the president’s weakness or not desire to change something.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 13 January 2016 09: 20
      +1
      Quote: go21zd45few
      do not know A.V. Suvorov, Zhukov.

      But they know Borya Moiseev, Seryozha "star in shock!" and others like them. They know that there were such generals Napoleon and Bonaparte, and the first one was cooler, and Stanislavsky and Nimerovich "threw" Danchenko when dividing profits .. and that Tatiana was in love with Pushkin .. polls conducted by the teams of Mikhalkov and Zadornov, in my opinion, they show the very "objective picture" that the central media are trying so hard to "gloss over"!
      But the questions are elementary, and the answers - in the early 80s, at least - any schoolboy-twosome knew!
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 13 January 2016 10: 04
    +2
    Only one thing, that the most zealous Russophobes like Svanidze and others like him took up arms against Vdovin, speaks of the correctness of the created manual, which actually defends our right to Russian History, which was actually stolen from us back in Peter's times by foreigners! And a gang of our enemies, including traitors and actual agents of the enemy, are trying to replace the modern history of Russia with "fairy tales" that are beneficial to them! Well, the war against the Russian people and Russia continues in all spheres and directions accessible to the West and their hangers-on!
  • Petrovich
    Petrovich 13 January 2016 19: 26
    +2
    If Svanidze criticizes the textbook, that means a good thing, it would be worth reading.
  • ioann1
    ioann1 14 January 2016 14: 12
    0



    And by the way, here is the opinion of one famous leading Soloviev about the Russian people. The problem has not gone anywhere. If anyone remembered, but forgot. This look is unvarnished.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 14 January 2016 23: 36
    0
    literally just in a different thread, he wrote, after dinner at the TV ... now all the mass misinformation is shouting to vomit that books are being burned in Siberia, and books published at one time under the auspices of the Soros Foundation. With textbooks, it’s true that it’s not a tourniquet, but they’ve just collected it for disposal, and in a couple of technical schools, it means that these are mainly textbooks on social and political sciences. We got to our school at the military school in the late 90s, such books that were donated by the Moscow government as humanitarian aid, and so, after reading these textbooks published in the early 90s and from which young Muscovites studied at that time, I Now I understand what funds were invested so that our children would be ashamed of their history and nation, hate the state and the very land on which they were born.
    PS The names of those scribblers still appear among the authors of the manuals, but there is no reference "with the assistance of the Soros Foundation"
  • CONTROL
    CONTROL 12 January 2016 07: 11
    +4
    Quote: Mera Joota
    when Vladimir Putin proposed introducing the aforementioned unified history textbook for Russian schools. That is, in front of the president’s eyes they patted him in sweaty hands, and then they lowered the initiative on the brakes, not publicizing the result. Hypocrisy?

    No, understanding that this is his ordinary blah blah blah ... He said a lot of things.

    But there would have been a decree, and all this sabotage (you cannot call the activity of the Min-obrazin any other way!) Would pass from the category of "hypocrisy" - it would qualify! - in the category "crime"! What, in essence, the activity of Min-obrazina is (in front of us - in all its glory ...).
    against the backdrop of a monstrous decline in the level of education and an increase in the level of disempowerment of a teacher ...
    That's what we can't agree with! not lawlessness - the teacher's irresponsibility! And there are no “tools” to bring this neo-teacher “to his senses”, to bring him - the teacher! - to this very "FGOS" ... Which of the teachers corresponds to him - at least in part? Well, remember - just like that, offhand? ... Oh, don't you remember?
    And with a teacher, education begins (and GEF if that ...)! No teacher - no standard, not to mention education!
    And teachers and pedagogy in our "separately taken" country were killed first - literally almost before the beginning of the notorious "perestroika"! ...
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 12 January 2016 07: 32
      +6
      As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...
      The situation is not better in healthcare. It’s not a smart therapist who is sitting at the reception, and it’s impossible to get to specialized specialists at all, only if you break through with the help of special forces. It seems that the city is not small - 70000 people live - but such garbage. Saying in other places is not better. I do not want to believe it, because the president says that it should be completely different. It turns out on the ground do harm? Or is it temporary because of the crisis?
      1. My address
        My address 12 January 2016 08: 19
        11
        hi , Vlad.

        My city is bigger, but everything is like yours. At the reception in the clinics sit girl assistants for 15 thousand rubles (if not deprived of the award). Doctors in proliferated paid clinics and centers. And more than half can not be called doctors. For example, from bronchitis and osteoarthritis (arthrosis was discovered by chance in the fourth (!!!) circulation site), those who came on the advice of friends helped. One thing pleases me - this is temporary for me while I'm alive.

        And by education there is a good joke:
        Textbook from Fursenko and Lyavanava. How to speak and talk. Head heel. Correct "tuta", or "sdesya"?

        The reason is irresponsibility, in isolation. In a decent modern state, the average physician and teacher should treat and teach the elite. Otherwise, it is an indecent state and the elite, in fact, is not the elite, or the elite is not of this state. One hundred years ago, isolation led to a revolution.
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp 12 January 2016 09: 05
          +2
          Repair Aurora will finish this year !!! hi
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 12 January 2016 09: 45
            +4
            Quote: Izotovp
            Repair Aurora will finish this year !!!

            the team took a social obligation to expedite the completion of repairs? :-)
            1. Izotovp
              Izotovp 12 January 2016 10: 16
              +1
              July 15 marks 60 years and by then they want to put her in her usual place.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 12 January 2016 14: 46
                +2
                That's right: checking all the equipment, refueling, loading ammunition for the bow gun .. and here is November 7th! wassat
                1. sa-ag
                  sa-ag 12 January 2016 17: 25
                  0
                  Quote: avia1991
                  That's right: checking all the equipment, refueling, loading ammunition for the bow gun .. and here is November 7th!

                  As Baron Munchausen used to say: "But that's not all ...", a sailor Zheleznyak with a guard is needed
            2. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 12 January 2016 19: 21
              0
              remember the joke about the "counter plan" laughing
          2. EvgNik
            EvgNik 12 January 2016 17: 47
            +1
            Quote: Izotovp
            Repair Aurora will finish this year !!!

            Thank God. I was still on the old, not plastic.
      2. dr. sem
        dr. sem 12 January 2016 08: 38
        +9
        "after all, the president says that it should be quite different ..."
        Conclusion for several years - the guarantor for the people has become a "trademark" and nothing more. Everyone in the country is ruled by "zaslantsy" of liberal blood. And Chubaisik is unsinkable proof of this ...
        The credit of trust is already running out. Numerous "ratings" in the Kremlin media confirm this.
        As the saying goes, "if a person is told for years that he is a pig, he will soon grunt." So it is with the Russian electorate. Only the patient is not iron ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 January 2016 07: 59
      10
      Quote: CONTROL
      But there would have been a decree, and all this sabotage (you cannot call the activity of the Min-obrazin any other way!) Would pass from the category of "hypocrisy" - it would qualify! - in the category "crime"!

      like without the knowledge of the president, is everything going on? no need to be mistaken ...
      1. heal
        heal 12 January 2016 12: 15
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        like without the knowledge of the president, is everything going on? no need to be mistaken ...

        Yes, in the opinion of the cheer-putriots, the guarantor, as always, has nothing to do with it. True, why did he then take his place? Question.
    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 12 January 2016 08: 20
      +4
      Quote: CONTROL
      But there would have been a decree, and all this sabotage (you cannot call the activity of the Min-obrazin any other way!) Would pass from the category of "hypocrisy" - it would qualify! - in the category "crime"!

      Are you serious? What about the "May decrees"?
      1. WINovikov
        WINovikov 12 January 2016 10: 27
        0
        Well, not May yet!
    4. ARES623
      ARES623 12 January 2016 10: 03
      10
      Quote: CONTROL
      And with a teacher, education begins (and GEF if that ...)! No teacher - no standard, not to mention education!

      It all starts in the family! You go to school, in any class. Be sure to have a few minor villains who ruin the entire learning process. Because of which teachers are afraid to go to class. But there is no government for these youngsters, and parents are inactive. Where they can no longer, and sometimes do not want to interfere in the process, laziness. Therefore, associates go to the pedagogical university, or when there is nowhere to go. I think that it is necessary to strengthen, first of all, the responsibility of parents for the behavior and performance of children. Less than half of the parents come to the meeting, and precisely those to whom the least claims. This is certainly not the only reason, but very influential. Two of my children studied and are studying according to different programs, but I can say that you can teach to read and write correctly in any way, if it is really possible to do this, including for parents. If mom is passionate about finding love, and dad fishing and passionate, then no reform with the exam will not make your child competitive in this life.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 January 2016 12: 39
        +4
        Because of which teachers are afraid to go to class


        How are you trying to surprise people? Such "rascals" were and will ALWAYS be. The teacher MUST deal with them, this is his job. Everyone can foolishly rattle off a lesson, but keeping the attention of the audience (class, and even the younger one) is a damn job. And teachers' salaries have always been miserable. My grandmother, a primary school teacher, raised my father alone, working in two shifts, and at the same time could not give him a level of well-being, even close to the neighbour's children. So it was under the USSR, although they did not starve. The only thing better then than now is respect for teachers. Even in 2000, when I came to a techie by assignment, if my acquaintances found out that I became a teacher, they said, they say, cool. True, when they recognized the "zryaplatu" - "cool" immediately disappeared. And now, as one mother from the class where her son studies, they say, the teachers themselves chose their fate, apparently, they were not capable of anything more, so let them live on a penny. That is, teachers and teachers have already been deprived of everything, even respect, this is a tragedy, and not in the line of textbooks. A normal teacher / teacher will give students more information only with their knowledge than any textbook. And today, when there is the Internet, even a student, or as he now needs to be called a STUDENT, can dig up a lot of information himself, you just need to send it carefully and make him want to receive this information. But with this now the main problem. Everyone says, I pay money, give me a diploma and leave me alone with your knowledge, there are much more interesting things.
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 12 January 2016 13: 18
          +4
          Quote: alicante11
          How are you trying to surprise people? Such "rascals" were and will ALWAYS be. The teacher MUST deal with them, this is his job. Everyone can foolishly rattle off a lesson, but keeping the attention of the audience (class, and even the younger one) is a damn job.

          The public education system should work with both teaching staff and parents, and should GUARANTEE the integrity of the honor and dignity of the teacher, regardless of his qualifications. The teenager, together with legal representatives, must be held responsible for offenses and crimes. This is the only way to instill a sense of respect for the legal rights of others. And teachers would need more objectivity. Doesn't pull "prodigy" to "3", well, give him what he deserves. If "2" then "2". And then you arrange dances with a tambourine around a lazy aboltus, and he makes fun of you. At a meeting in December, a class lady expressed surprise how a student (13 years old) suddenly jumped out of a "pathological binary" into a "good one" in two weeks, simply admired, asked to share his experience with others who were not quite successful. The boy's mother explained that dad was tired of his son's deuces, and he whipped him. And you mean textbooks, methods, reforms. It is necessary to delve into it. And deeper ...
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2016 15: 35
            +1
            The teenager, along with legal representatives, must be held accountable for offenses and crimes. This is the only way to instill a sense of respect for the legitimate rights of others.


            Who would be against it?

            And teachers would need more objectivity. Doesn't pull "prodigy" to "3", well, give him what he deserves. If "2" then "2".


            Yes, no problem, I'll even say more, some teachers (I'm talking about a techie) manage to FILL the students. Moreover, for now, you can "get off" with a conversation with the leadership and promises of "Kuzka's mother." But now they will introduce an effective contract and each "pair" will pull the bar of additional payments down. And try to be objective here. So far, the fact that salaries are already low will save you, no one wants to go to work, and therefore the old people feel like kings and spit on everyone and everything.
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 13 January 2016 09: 33
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          Such "rascals" were and will ALWAYS be. The teacher MUST deal with them, this is his job.

          THIS was not yet 10 years ago. The system of "Western" education is working! Unlike ours, it achieves its goals. And the teacher becomes an absolutely powerless being, who can easily be accused of "violating the rights of the child"! For some reason, everyone forgets that a teacher, as a Citizen, has ABSOLUTELY THE SAME RIGHTS! And the child should be responsible for their violation - not by itself, but through the parents! .. The maximum that the Law allows to apply to the parent, for the dirty and mean behavior of the child - to be fined 100 (!!!!!!) rubles .. ALL. At the same time, sometimes SUCH is coming out of the little child ..! Why do you want to frankly pull out your tongue, so that in life nothing more could vyakut! And everything gets away with it: they can't expel him from school, punish his parents - too, except to sue them, but this is strength, time, and - a "lottery" in court: which judge will you get to, what is his mood in the morning, and whether the parents of the defendant have a "way out" to the judge .. then you lose money, time, nerves, and - you remain IDI.O.TOM, especially in the eyes of schoolchildren.
          Search the Internet, kids love to post videos about bullying teachers. And these are not isolated cases - we simply do not learn about most of these situations.
    5. avia1991
      avia1991 12 January 2016 15: 41
      +1
      Quote: CONTROL
      . Which of the teachers corresponds to it - at least in part?

      You name, for a start, who corresponds to this Federal State Educational Standard among the graduates of universities - yes, the same MGIMO, for example? Or Moscow State University? So that "inside and out"!
      Quote: CONTROL
      ... Ah, do not remember?

      WHO wrote this "document" in your opinion? Is the person smart? Does he even have a remote idea of ​​pedagogy? About child psychology?
      By the way, the main source of knowledge for a child, according to the Federal State Educational Standards and the Ministry of Education, is "self-education": sitting on the Internet for many hours (!!!), in search of the necessary information! .. Do you think: will he find a lot of it there? ..
      Do not bother, I will answer you right away, in practice: NEVER. At first, on the fingers count resources where this info is really competently served, and corresponds to real life, science, history, etc.
      Secondly - he (the child) does not need this and is not interested: by going to the Internet, he immediately succumbs to the temptation to start the game, and all tasks go sideways. Will you be able to spend a few hours every day on "self-preparation" of your child? And if there are two of them, and the age difference is 2-3 years? NO?! Then what does the teacher have to do with it? They tell their hours - but in 45 minutes it is IMPOSSIBLE to fit all the information (note - also so that it is assimilated!) Necessary for your child to match the image of the Federal State Educational Standard! By the way, the "self-education" of your child, to comply with the Federal State Educational Standard - Your direct responsibility as a parent! For at the end of the school day, the teacher cannot - and should not! - control the student’s activities.
      But what about the problem of overlapping subjects? For example, geography and mathematics? In geography, angles and azimuths, decimal fractions are already there - and the children have dull amazement in their eyes: THEY HAVE NOT PASSED THIS STILL! The math program is one year behind.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 12 January 2016 07: 57
    +6
    on the site http://whatisgood.ru/ (teach good) the whole "depth of our depths" is clearly shown, and the flow of this waste does not dry out. So we have "fursenki" everywhere.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 12 January 2016 17: 57
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      the flow of this waste does not dry out. so that "fursenki" are everywhere.

      This is one of the first signs of state instability. Along with psychics and fortune tellers.
  • Haettenschweiler
    Haettenschweiler 12 January 2016 08: 21
    +6
    Quote: Mera Joota
    No, understanding that this is his ordinary blah blah blah ... He said a lot of things.


    - Officials quite naturally ignored the "May decrees" and the "single history textbook" and other, no less important things. And no one took any responsibility for this. It turns out that the president does not care about the execution of his orders?

    Quote: nils
    A people without history is not a nation. Axima of sociology. THEY KNOW THIS.


    - This is a moot point, in fact. The Americans - for objective reasons - have no history as such. That does not prevent them from being quite a nation for themselves and even kicking the whole world in the direction they need (although lately this has been getting worse and worse). But, on the other hand, those pitiful, by our standards, two hundred years - they value them. Schoolchildren memorize the names of all presidents, who became famous for what, and so on. National museums are not like ours, everything is very pretentious and expensively done, so as to inspire. And in our country, not even every adult will tell you how the "Quiet" was different from "Kalita", and who they were.

    Quote: USSR 1971
    Of course, our Ukrainian "partners" also started with textbooks (guess who wrote them), a whole generation has brains on Gilyak.


    - It all started not with textbooks, but with Democracy Aid Centers, or something like that. But then, with the already formed group of "network influence", there were textbooks, and memorable rallies in honor of Bandera and Shukhevych, and other garbage.

    Quote: Designer 1
    Different textbooks are cretinism !! Children (with marks 4 and 5) come to the school for testing from the disbanding physical-mat school and fail on tests !! And why? Yes, different programs and educational literature.


    - Sounds dubious. Whoever compiled the textbook, but the laws of physics do not change from this. If "e = ms (square)", then it will be so forever and ever. Amen. It's the same with mathematics. I agree with history and other literature, like any humanitarian specialty, they allow for a broad interpretation and different educational literature can play a bad joke here.

    Quote: Tatiana
    I’m tired of constantly talking about the interests of the West in the collapse of Russian education and science.


    - Then start talking about the interests of the "Russian government" in the same. Because this also has a place to be, and is much more dangerous than some kind of West, which is constantly being kicked in the nose either by laws on NGOs or by expulsion of "agents of influence." But state officials, unfortunately, are not only not expelled, but also not punished. Quite the opposite.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 12 January 2016 18: 14
      +1
      Quote: Haettenschweiler
      Then start talking about the interests of the "Russian government"

      The fact of the matter is that officials have their own interest in this. But Russia is interested in officials insofar as they are paid, or allowed to earn from investors. And those have their own interests.
  • Haettenschweiler
    Haettenschweiler 12 January 2016 08: 21
    11
    Quote: CONTROL
    But there would have been a decree, and all this sabotage (you cannot call the activity of the Min-obrazin any other way!) Would pass from the category of "hypocrisy" - it would qualify! - in the category "crime"! What, in essence, the activity of Min-obrazina is (in front of us - in all its glory ...).


    - How many Decrees do you need to list that were ignored, failed, forgotten by the government, so that you understand that no Presidential Decrees have power over the bureaucratic tribe? They are not responsible for the decisions made ... and for their inaction ... they have nothing to fear. And the president, by the way, does not even try to "build" them. Looks like he's happy with everything.

    Quote: Dembel 77
    It seems that the city is not small - 70000 people live - but such garbage. Saying in other places is not better. I do not want to believe it, because the president says that it should be completely different. It turns out on the ground do harm? Or is it temporary because of the crisis?


    - In my tiny town - 50.000 souls - the situation was drastically resolved. No "narrow specialist" - no problem. As a result, the most important thing, children's doctors, is stupid. An adult can be hospitalized and sent to the Okrug, or even Moscow-Yekaterinburg, maybe, in the end, get there on his own, but getting there with a sick child ... this is real Hell. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money, and you don’t have 20-30 thousand for an air ticket, and two or three days on the train are waiting for you. Well, I won't even remember the old people. "Live fast. Die young. Pension Fund of Russia".
    1. heal
      heal 12 January 2016 12: 17
      +2
      Quote: Haettenschweiler
      And the president, by the way, does not even try to "build" them. It looks like he's happy with everything.

      You just need to remove the word "similar", but everything is correct.
    2. Egen
      Egen 13 January 2016 05: 44
      0
      Quote: Haettenschweiler
      An adult can be hospitalized and sent to the Okrug, or even Moscow-Yekaterinburg, maybe, in the end, get there on his own, but getting there with a sick child ... this is real Hell. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money, and you don’t have 20-30 thousand for an air ticket, and two or three days on the train are waiting for you. Well, I won't even remember about old people. "Live fast. Die young. Pension Fund of Russia".


      There is one. A year ago, he buried his father in a small town near Novosib. Thundered to the hospital for some reason. It’s like nothing, they were going to send the 100 km to the regional center - Novosibirsk, but while they were going, the father died ... Most interestingly, even an autopsy was done in Novosib at the insistence of my wife, a doctor, and they didn’t reveal the reason why dead !! Nonsense (And all this is connected with childhood - what schoolchildren are like and tomorrow's doctors ...
  • Boos
    Boos 12 January 2016 10: 40
    +3
    Gop, gop ... But there’s still no jump, I agree with you!
    Quote: Mera Joota
    when Vladimir Putin proposed introducing the aforementioned unified history textbook for Russian schools. That is, in front of the president’s eyes they patted him in sweaty hands, and then they lowered the initiative on the brakes, not publicizing the result. Hypocrisy?

    No, understanding that this is his ordinary blah blah blah ... He said a lot of things.
  • WINovikov
    WINovikov 12 January 2016 10: 52
    +3
    The illustration is the answer to the blah blah blah "guarantor".
  • iouris
    iouris 12 January 2016 14: 46
    +3
    A single story is now being affirmed in Washington.
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  • Igluxnumx
    Igluxnumx 14 January 2016 12: 30
    0
    Tell me, the president should only indicate the direction of movement, no? Education officials should put these guidelines into practice, right? If they cannot do something or if something is missing for implementation, then there must be constructive proposals for removing obstacles. Clap your hands - approve of what was said, right? Or is Putin your fault?
  • Igluxnumx
    Igluxnumx 14 January 2016 12: 30
    0
    Tell me, the president should only indicate the direction of movement, no? Education officials should put these guidelines into practice, right? If they cannot do something or if something is missing for implementation, then there must be constructive proposals for removing obstacles. Clap your hands - approve of what was said, right? Or is Putin your fault?
  • Igluxnumx
    Igluxnumx 14 January 2016 12: 49
    0
    But the president outlines and points out development paths, doesn’t he? Does it verbally, (blah blah blah), or, for those who have poor memory, draws up their blah blah blah on paper. Clapping is a sign of approval and encouragement. Or is it just the hypocrisy of officials? Then the author of the article is right! And you, dear, just make blah blah blah. Minus.
  • Igluxnumx
    Igluxnumx 14 January 2016 12: 49
    0
    But the president outlines and points out development paths, doesn’t he? Does it verbally, (blah blah blah), or, for those who have poor memory, draws up their blah blah blah on paper. Clapping is a sign of approval and encouragement. Or is it just the hypocrisy of officials? Then the author of the article is right! And you, dear, just make blah blah blah. Minus.
  • Valiich
    Valiich 14 January 2016 20: 26
    0
    All talk about education is really blah blah blah. And the education itself is in the pose that this schoolgirl showed.
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 12 January 2016 06: 15
    +5
    As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...

    Forgot to add. Hard times are waiting for teachers, a delay in salaries (and in many regions already) and the consequences (I think you shouldn’t remind about loans), they will certainly not be up to the quality of education ...
  • Same lech
    Same lech 12 January 2016 06: 16
    12
    As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...


    Our hockey plays in the Canadian style ... and our main hockey players also live there losing everything that is inherent in the Russian attacking hockey ...
    the same thing happens with our education ... gradually we are moving to Western standards, losing our original education .... sadness.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 12 January 2016 06: 39
      14
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Our hockey plays in the Canadian style ... and our main hockey players also live there losing everything that is inherent in the Russian attacking hockey ...

      Not a hockey fanatic, but there was pride for the Soviet team. And now, not the last victories are recalled, although Znarok, I must admit, knows the correct word. I remember some championship in St. Petersburg. We built a new ice palace, all our NHLs arrived, our entire team - the NHL stars team. They screamed everywhere that we would tear everyone. As a result, only the Belarusians did NOT LOSE ...

      Symbolic, right? Why not grab it - everything is like with that championship ...
    2. cap
      cap 12 January 2016 06: 49
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...


      Our hockey plays in the Canadian style ... and our main hockey players also live there losing everything that is inherent in the Russian attacking hockey ...
      the same thing happens with our education ... gradually we are moving to Western standards, losing our original education .... sadness.

      Marshal
      aszzz888 (1) RU Today, 06:17 AM

      This mess with textbooks has repeatedly become the subject of discussion.


      What textbooks and education system, such is the Minister of Education - you won’t look without tears! fellow


      You can argue for a long time on this topic, but if interested. I recommend it.

      Olga Chetverikova. School: total restructuring
      https://vk.com/video-49622204_171269869
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 January 2016 06: 17
    13
    This mess with textbooks has repeatedly become the subject of discussion.


    What textbooks and education system, such is the Minister of Education - you won’t look without tears! fellow
  • Pig
    Pig 12 January 2016 06: 27
    12
    briefly about the modern education strategy:
    HER (strategy) NO!
    1. apro
      apro 12 January 2016 06: 48
      +2
      Pig is a strategy, but the strategy of the collapse and nodification of the people, and the reformers have success in this field.
    2. Dam
      Dam 12 January 2016 09: 43
      0
      Why, our partners clearly have it (it draws from this catchword). They are in every way possible with grenades, NPOs, pushing lies and dirt into our education. When we begin to firmly counteract this, probably when we directly call our partners enemies.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 13 January 2016 09: 43
        0
        Quote: Damm
        When we begin to firmly counteract this,

        Who is "WE", Vladislav? We are ready, we want, we are torn - but who will give us ?! It seems that it will not do without a global fight, since all the authorities are typical "zombies" repeating the same thing: "How good it is with us! What great fellows, ministers, deputies, managers, and other friends!" And we, following their course, are gradually - but inevitably - approaching the edge.
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 12 January 2016 06: 31
    40
    And is it not hypocrisy to publish the pathos GEF, which refers to the “standard child prodigy” against the backdrop of a monstrous decline in the level of education and the growth of the teacher’s lack of rights ... Against the background of the same statements about the “qualified consumer” ...
    And let me be showered with various rubbish, but, nevertheless, I will say that the Soviet education system was best suited for the formation of a "standard child prodigy". I will not analyze the subtleties - this is the business of specialists, a simple abstract comparison of the results of a ten-year stay at school is terrifying. The "standard graduate" -1960 or "standard graduate" -1980 was a "standard prodigy" compared to today's rams who cannot speak Russian, do not know where their country is on the map, have no idea of ​​the simplest physical and chemical principles. Those who have read two books in all their moronic 17 years - a thick one and a green one.

    30-40-50 years ago it was ashamed to write with mistakes. In the magazine "Pioneer" and "Koster" they laughed at the blunders from school essays. And now a 25-year-old ram with a higher education brings a vacation application - and there are 10 mistakes in 18 words. I stopped signing statements with mistakes, so they adapted to run to the mother of one of their own - a doctor of philological sciences. She composes statements and reports for them for a box of sweets. You point your finger at the mistakes - and they say: "Well, you understand what I wanted to write ..."

    Sorry for them, the victims of the Unified State Exam, the Bologna systems, the Fursenkov, the Livanovs and everything else that killed literacy and intelligence. Correctly in the article it is written - a generation of people who hawala has grown up. "Qualified consumers", [cenzored, unfortunately!] ...
    1. cap
      cap 12 January 2016 07: 50
      13
      Quote: Zoldat_A

      30-40-50 years ago it was ashamed to write with mistakes. In the magazine "Pioneer" and "Koster" they laughed at the blunders from school essays. And now a 25-year-old ram with a higher education brings a vacation application - and there are 10 mistakes in 18 words. I stopped signing statements with mistakes, so they adapted to run to the mother of one of their own - a doctor of philological sciences. She composes statements and reports for them for a box of sweets. You point your finger at the mistakes - and they say: "Well, you understand what I wanted to write ..."


      In the university, I will not write in which one, withstood 6 months. I quit for a similar reason. Coursework retell (!!!), "their own" (but rather bought) students cannot. I sympathize with all of us. hi
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 12 January 2016 08: 08
        +4
        Quote: cap
        In the university, I will not write in which one, withstood 6 months. I quit for a similar reason. Coursework retell (!!!), "their own" (but rather bought) students cannot. I sympathize with all of us. hi

        Similarly! ... but - 9 months! therefore - I am stronger! ... (well, or poorer - less money ...)
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 12 January 2016 12: 57
        0
        In the university, I will not write in which one, withstood 6 months. I quit for a similar reason. Coursework retell (!!!), "their own" (but rather bought) students cannot. I sympathize with all of us.


        Dear, what are you talking about? You haven't even figured out the situation in 6 months. I worked at the technical school for 5 years at the beginning of the 2000s, right after college and now I work for the third year. They are SMART, but, PANCAKE, LAZY !!!!! If they want, the mountains will be moved, they will understand any "squiggle". Moreover, when you see that a student is trying to figure it out, you break yourself into a cake, but you will help. But the desire to "understand" is getting worse every year.
        Although, IMHO, the system is to blame. If at the beginning of the 2000s and in the 90s, when I was studying at the institute, they were expelled harshly, cleaned after each session, then by the 3rd-4th year there were either, as the author puts it, "prodigies" who "lived happily from the session before the session ", but managed to pass, or zealously wanting to learn. Now it is stupidly forbidden to deduct. In terms of academic performance, expulsion is generally an egregious case. All heads branches persuade the idiots to "go quietly." Those who are smarter see this situation, how debts drag on for years, and understand that it is not necessary to study. It is enough just to be listed. And the "teacher" will not go anywhere, he also flies for the "deuces" from the authorities. As a result, groups of 3 and even 4 courses have to be cleaned, and it is simply impossible to listen to the defense of diplomas in 50% or more cases without tears. And, again, not because they are stupid, but because they DO NOT WANT to learn. And you can't force. They are STUDENTS, not some "students".
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 12 January 2016 15: 03
          +2
          Quote: alicante11
          They are smart, but, damn it, lazy !!!!!

          And they argue their laziness with arrogance. They are much more interested in the tablet, and not in the book. It’s hard with them, not everyone can stand it. And God forbid that you overdo it with emotions, parents are also smart now, just a little to court.
          In general, of course, a mess, and everywhere. The vacuum of knowledge deliberately created by education in the heads of adolescents is successfully filled with low-profile media. And everything is going on at the state level.
          P.S. Greetings Alik! hi
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2016 15: 43
            +3
            Mutually hi .
            And God forbid to go too far with emotions, parents are also smart now, just a little - to court.


            Yes, the native authorities even before their parents eat the whole baldness. Although they can also be understood, the authorities are also above them, university, and above them is the same minister of ministry.
            Whether it was before, the parents came to somehow stand up for their son. So the director of the technical school, the former head of the depot, so caressed them like a railway ... If we discard the profanity, the meaning was this - "my teacher, deserved, etc., etc. is more important to me than your jerk." In general, in the end, my son took up his mind and even ended up being good.
            The truth and the other side of the coin was. In the very first year of work, the director had to lay down a letter of resignation on the director's desk, because the defense really overwhelmed the boy who really deserved his top five, but had a conflict with the "honored" teacher. But in general, there were always people who helped to solve the case fairly.
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 12 January 2016 16: 31
        +4
        Quote: cap
        Term papers retell (!!!), "their own" (or rather purchased) students cannot.

        I have a wife 10 years ago students told a summary of Dante's "Divine Comedy" based on the performance of the Obraztsov Theater of the same name. I don’t think that they understood something and terribly appreciated the Central Puppet Theater named after S.V. Obraztsova - rather, on the Internet they google summary of "Divine Comedy" - and which one - the mind didn’t have enough to figure out ...

        Today's students live with her on the Volga, every summer they wander along the beaches and do not know which way the Volga flows.

        When my wife asked today's students what Hitler was called (after all, everyone has not only a surname, but also a first name) - a real stupor. And then the bravest girl said: "Napoleon". This is not a joke, a real story, a pedagogical university, a third year.
        1. Egen
          Egen 13 January 2016 05: 48
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          When my wife asked today's students what Hitler was called (after all, everyone has not only a surname, but also a first name) - a real stupor. And then the bravest girl said: "Napoleon". This is not a joke, a real story, a pedagogical university, third year.


          Peter 1 defeated Napoleon near Narva ...)
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 13 January 2016 09: 52
            0
            Quote: Egen
            Peter 1 defeated Napoleon near Narva ...)

            Nope! It was Alexander Nevsky who smashed them on Lake Onega! They - the French - were in armor, the ice cracked - they were drowned! .. Some scraps in their heads are dangling, and WHAT, to WHAT, WHERE - this is "lost along the way."
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2016 10: 05
          0
          the sun revolves around the earth sad
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 13 January 2016 14: 12
            +1
            Actually, it will be so if we take the earth as a reference point wink
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2016 14: 38
              -1
              sorry, but let's not be "clever" if you wish, you can prove that 2x2 = 5, as well as that the bike is not a stable system and it cannot ride in any way

              p / s / in your case, you do not need to take the Earth as the reference point, but the point on the planet
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 13 January 2016 14: 50
                +1
                And you will forgive hi but that’s where I get clever I’ll decide for myself.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                p / s / in your case, you do not need to take the Earth as the reference point, but the point on the planet



                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                if you wish, you can prove that 2x2 = 5, as well as that the bike is not a stable system and it cannot go either way

                Verbiage.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2016 15: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Barkhan
                  Verbiage.

                  absolutely not, and for that and for the other (2x2 and a bike) there is evidence
                  and about the first one you verbiage suffer
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2016 14: 51
                0
                and refute weakly? hi
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 12 January 2016 10: 30
      +3
      There is a good saying in Dagestan: Where there are no good youth, there were no good old people! "
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 12 January 2016 16: 38
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        There is a good saying in Dagestan: Where there are no good youth, there were no good old people!"

        And how would you immediately pour a hundred pluses? You can’t tell more truly ... good

        I myself am one of those who are already old. At least on the passport. But, soberly looking at myself, my friends, my generation and guided by this saying, I can assume that we were not the worst youth, and our old people are not the worst old people.

        My hair stands on end when I think that THESE will rule the country in 15-20 years, and in 40-50 years they will take our place today ...

        Thank God they will not be leading me and my generation. I will not see all this ....
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 January 2016 11: 32
      +2
      But the Unified State Examination has nothing to do with it - the level of education depends on the person, on the desire to learn, study, understand, and if a person is a lazy person, even if you introduce the Soviet system of education, he will remain a lazy person and nothing will change.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 12 January 2016 11: 50
        -1
        I agree. If a person studied at school, passed the exam, graduated from college and works on a profile without complaints about knowledge, then where does the exam? The USE really made it possible for normal graduates from the provinces to study at universities such as Moscow State University, they had not dreamed about this before, their parents simply would not have had enough money to pay for the admission.
        1. heal
          heal 12 January 2016 12: 20
          +4
          Quote: Kent0001
          The USE really made it possible for normal graduates from the province to study at universities such as Moscow State University, they hadn’t dreamed about it before, their parents simply wouldn’t have enough money to pay for the admission.

          Come on ... Examination gave, yeah ... But what about the USSR? Then there was no USE, and girls and boys from the provinces easily went to the cities, entered universities and studied.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 12 January 2016 16: 58
            0
            In the USSR, the economy was different - planned, and now market - you have to pay for everything.
        2. nazar_0753
          nazar_0753 12 January 2016 14: 16
          +4
          But I will allow myself to disagree with you. My father is from Izhevsk, my mother is from Novorossiysk, and yet we entered the Moscow State University law school without any problems. And the very idea of ​​the USE is fundamentally wrong, it is impossible to check the availability of fundamental knowledge with the help of "testers". There is a specific database of questions for the exam in any subject. Even if you are completely d.i.i.l., it is quite possible to remember the answer to any question in Test Parts A and B without understanding why it is. Moreover, the tasks are essentially all of the same type, and any tutor will train even a complete idiot on the solution algorithm in a year or two. Understanding is not necessary, sculpt everything according to the stencil.
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 13 January 2016 10: 02
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        if a person is a lazy person, at least introduce the Soviet education system

        The Soviet system involved not only textbooks, but also a coherent system of coercion and encouragement. And the poor parent was the one whose child allowed himself something superfluous at school! And then the child turned out to be "poor", and all laziness was quickly squeezed out of him with the help of improvised tools and other measures of material and moral influence.
        And where did they come from
        Quote: Vadim237
        aspirations learn, study, penetrate,
        wassat If they did this on a regular basis, study became a habit; if from time to time, knowledge was also assimilated. But I see that OUR “C-students” could give a handicap to almost any today's “excellent student”.
        I repeat: the point is not lazy, not lazy. The fact is that the teacher had REAL leverage on the student. And there was a State, which Teachers in MUCH supported. And therefore there were - and still are - space rockets, and ships in the oceans, and powerful weapons that frightened NATO, and ballet, and hydroelectric power stations from nuclear power plants! .. Will Soviet specialists last for long?
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 12 January 2016 06: 32
    +5
    To smear all of these reformers from the minobase to the wall and forehead with green stuff, they brought the country to universal illiteracy.
    1. leytenant
      leytenant 12 January 2016 07: 22
      +4
      just not green !!! So they are also publicized :) Carve out with crowds when crowded, like careless students in tsarist schools :)
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 January 2016 06: 35
    +5
    The more “painted” the fours and fives, even if there is nothing to “draw”, the better - a) for personal statistics, b) for the reporting of the ministry. ... And all at the same time both parents and teachers and officials and the student are satisfied .. but there is no education ...
    1. Kubatai
      Kubatai 12 January 2016 08: 11
      14
      My wife is a teacher of elementary grades - do you know how infuriates all teachers from these FSES? But our government put them in a pose (known to everyone). Satisfied from this situation, only stupid children and their near-minded parents, since it is really secretly FORBIDDEN to put a deuce. And if it’s still possible for the lessons, then deuce for a quarter or God forbid for a year is an indicator that one teacher is bad (not a weak child or a parasite, nor parents involved with his child), and accordingly he will be punished .. I would say that GEF-s is just a window dress from min.education in state. scale .. Oh, and what are the requirements for the schools themselves ... just beauty .. in my city since the collapse of the USSR they built one school and even it does not fit those standards ... So the picture for the article is very indicative ... Education comrades from high offices, who are only interested in money, kill and do it, so that everything looks decent ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 January 2016 08: 55
        +5
        since it is really secretly PROHIBITED to put deuces... Oh, I know ... that's why I'm writing ... I worked in the education system, as a teacher for 3 years ... This is a nightmare ... I remember, at a parent meeting, an "elite" class (like the smartest) I was almost torn apart into thousands of pieces, they say to children, I ask a lot about history ...
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 04
          0
          they say to children, I ask a lot about history ...


          And what, "not much"? Or in vain does an anecdote about a night call to a teacher go online? At times it seems that there should be 30 hours in a day for the child to have time to do all the homework. And the classroom frightens us that it will be even harder in high school.
          Students must also be thought of. After all, they are not only your subject.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 13 January 2016 10: 12
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            And what, "not much"?

            How much do you want ?! Everything is in accordance with the Federal State Educational Standard: a child prodigy has to master the textbook in a week, otherwise it will not reach the "standard". Do you have time to give a lot of information in the lesson? That's why everything else is for self-preparation: gasspadas, parents, read, dig - this is your problem!
            This is not the desire of teachers - it is their responsibility: to give home the number of tasks that are provided for independent study by the authors of the Federal State Educational Standard. IDE we have afftory? In the Ministry of Education! This is where we turn with comments hi
        2. xorgi
          xorgi 12 January 2016 15: 42
          0
          "since it is really forbidden to put deuces behind the scenes" - I agree, but not quite. First, it is tacitly forbidden to put ones, two is not forbidden, if in some school the head teacher goes crazy, then there is no need to generalize. Secondly, I went along the following path, I prescribed a grading system in the work program, including two and one, the administration made some noise, but could not do anything, legally I can put any grading system, up to stars, if it is not prohibited by the school curriculum ... usually the unit is not indicated in it, therefore it is not put, but the teacher in his work program can supplement the school one, which I did.
          1. Kubatai
            Kubatai 15 January 2016 04: 35
            0
            You unfortunately read the text, but do not understand it ..
            The teacher can give deuces or any unsatisfactory marks, but this is perceived by the system only as a teacher’s defect and nothing more. The teacher is a priori wrong - this is the main message from the mines. education and even if they don’t say it openly, but in fact it is.
      2. heal
        heal 12 January 2016 12: 25
        +2
        Quote: Kubatai
        Satisfied from this situation, only stupid children and their narrow-minded parents

        And my wife generally works in a school for the mentally underdeveloped. So there is generally nonsense. Parents directly "press" on teachers to make their children Einsteins, and the leadership of the school and various departments indulge them. And all this is covered by Medvedev's phrase: "We have no untrained children." Yes, there they would not have smashed their head off or someone else, they would not have smeared them on the walls, but they would have been able to adapt in society and serve themselves at least simply - and that is an achievement for a teacher.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 12 January 2016 13: 44
          0
          Read the paragraph and answer questions to it .. is that a lot?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2016 15: 46
            0
            Read the paragraph and answer questions to it .. is that a lot?


            Well, apart from presentations, essays, a couple of translations, I am silent about mathematics and Russian. And do not forget, I repeat, that the child has 4-5 of such tasks. I myself teach, but I always remember that once I also studied. It helps a lot in work.
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 12 January 2016 17: 40
              +1
              I myself teach, but I always remember that once I also studied. It helps a lot in work...Here, this is what the level of education is from .... Oh, I’m poor, unhappy, how hard it was for me at school ... How I was pressed by a nut of knowledge ... And what poor, unhappy children .. they are so burdened ..But it was hard for me .. to study .. And this should not happen with my children .. This item is optional, but this item is not needed, my child will be a secret physicist and why he will need literature and geography, an audiobook will tell, the carrier will bring .. And then we are surprised .. where did Mitrofanushki come from ...
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 13 January 2016 05: 38
                +1
                where did Mitrofanushki come from ...


                Yes, not from there. Just heads clogged with a bunch of incompatible information. As a result, in preparation for the lesson, instead of sorting out the issue, it is a commonplace cramming. And everything answered today tomorrow is safely forgotten. Although, of course, the specifics of the school and the ACT are somewhat different. We still have a session where students can show a complex of knowledge, and the system is funded at school. However, the accumulation of ratings is also required of us.
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 13 January 2016 10: 21
                0
                Quote: parusnik
                ... Ah, I'm poor, miserable, how hard it was for me at school

                Listen, do not write nonsense!
                You, apparently, do not know, for your happiness, HOW MUCH a student really MUST do in the process of homework. And competent teachers, indeed, always remember
                Quote: parusnik
                that once I studied too. It helps in the work ..
                Because parents, who really strive to control the learning process of their children, begin to howl, sitting up with their children until 22-23 hours, in an attempt to fulfill EVERYTHING that was asked. And this is in the presence of fast Internet! And why, in fact, should they receive NOT ALWAYS ADEQUATE information through the Network, instead of getting it from normal textbooks? .. We got along somehow without the Internet? And yet, there was enough information. Now it is simply an overabundance, and, moreover, unjustified, and it is often not systematized - this is "the student must do it himself" .. I wonder how THEY imagine this? wassat
  • evgeny1979
    evgeny1979 12 January 2016 06: 36
    +6
    It is necessary to return the old system, correct the history and everything will be fine, there is nothing more to invent. After all, they have grown normal.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 08
      +3
      It is necessary to return the old system, correct the history and everything will be fine, there is nothing more to invent. After all, they have grown normal.


      It is necessary to change goals and objectives. In Soviet times, we studied in order to create, create, do what we love, and now in order to "consume". Livanov is a fool, on the way, after graduation from the institute he never appeared in any educational institution, because consumers have been raised for a long time. One thing "I pay you your salary", all speaks about the goals of modern students. But in the capitalist paradigm, it is impossible to change goals and objectives, because now the one who consumes better is successful.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 12 January 2016 17: 36
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        It is necessary to change goals and objectives. In Soviet times, we studied in order to create, create, do what we love

        Namely, because the goal was to build society, a global goal was set, the pursuit of which pulled the development of all spheres, nowadays, the settings of conservatism, pragmatism, i.e. everything is here now
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 13 January 2016 10: 24
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        because the one who consumes better is now successful.

        The successful one is the one who better meets the needs of the Consumers. So the herd of Consumers is raised specially - "shepherds" have long been trained according to separate programs.
  • satelit24
    satelit24 12 January 2016 06: 37
    +8
    Well, if our schools are called by the names of American presidents belay - then what to talk about!?
    How, when fighting a drunk - the Soros Foundation, made a curriculum - so no one changed it!
    1. cap
      cap 12 January 2016 07: 04
      +2
      Quote: satelit24
      Well, if our schools are called by the names of American presidents belay - then what to talk about!?
      How, when fighting a drunk - the Soros Foundation, made a curriculum - so no one changed it!


      I recommended the video above. And here is a very recent article. It is worth reading.
      http://новости-россии.ru-an.info/
      Just find articles by Olga Chetverikova in this news.
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  • Alex66
    Alex66 12 January 2016 06: 51
    +6
    The results of international mathematical olympiads, in which the USSR took first place, and now about 10, clearly show the quality of the reforms. But the minister is not a ruble as DAM said, he does not have to like everyone. So, hoping for positive changes in education is hardly worth it. Fursenko even honestly wrote that they need a consumer, I think that has not changed.
    1. xorgi
      xorgi 12 January 2016 15: 44
      0
      this is not the quality of reforms, but the parameter of bribes when compiling a list of participants in the Olympiad
  • SAM 5
    SAM 5 12 January 2016 06: 52
    +3
    Federal State Educational Standard

    It’s necessary to think of such a thing. fool
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 14
      0
      GOSTs were also in the USSR. The point is not in the name or even in the content, by and large, a normal teacher will be able to give what is needed. The problem is that these GOSES, then the FGOS go one after the other. Almost every year is a new one. AND A LOT OF PAPER. You just bury yourself in them, there is no time to prepare for classes - more is spent on "updating" RUEs, KTPs, KOS, etc.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 12 January 2016 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        Almost every year is a new one.

        Right And in each school, children are taught according to different programs, and in ordinary schools. Too much load on children, with a really small digestibility of the subject. hi
  • bytkeev
    bytkeev 12 January 2016 06: 59
    -3
    First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 12 January 2016 07: 13
      +5
      Quote: bytkeev
      First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality

      Demagogy in the style of DAM ..
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2016 11: 16
        +2
        this is not demagogy, but a substitution of concepts
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 12 January 2016 08: 13
      +7
      Quote: bytkeev
      First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality

      ... good to eat, it’s right to poop, and bye-bye on time ... And do not drink vodka with beer and milk! ...
    3. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 12 January 2016 08: 23
      +6
      Any person should love their homeland; this is not taught at school. Creativity is also not particularly grafted.
      First of all, a graduate should think with his head, and not ...
    4. Hello
      Hello 12 January 2016 08: 24
      10
      Quote: bytkeev
      First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality

      First of all, they should teach him to study and give a certain knowledge base. But patriotism and creativity is a good thing, but not the main thing. Where in 10-20 years will you recruit people for technical positions if everyone is creative patriotic and without knowledge? And so the engineers of the old school are howling with horror, but they are retiring. negative
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 12 January 2016 09: 49
        +4
        Quote: Hello
        if everyone will be creative patriotic

        they will probably be in the civil service
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 17
        -1
        Where in 10-20 years will you recruit people for technical positions if everyone is creative patriotic and without knowledge?


        And what, a creative, knowledgeable and patriotic engineer does not exist? Or do you have here at VO some "humanities" gathered under the "Star of David", all such patriots of their new homeland?
        1. nazar_0753
          nazar_0753 12 January 2016 14: 23
          +2
          The point is not whether he is creative and patriotic or not, there is no need to replace the concept. The fact is that for an engineer as a person of a working profession, the main thing is not creativity and patriotism, but the ability to do one's job well, that is, possessing a certain amount of knowledge, a working head, and most often - with direct hands. Production is not an electoral system where patriotic fools are needed. I have nothing against patriotism, it’s simply a better clever engineer working at the plant, even if liberal views (if normal views are generally fine) than a rugozhop who adores his homeland.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2016 15: 47
            -1
            The fact is that for an engineer as a person of a working profession, the main thing is not creativity and patriotism, but the ability to do their job well


            And in my opinion, the main thing is both patriotism and And skill-knowledge. And if separately - then this is "not the main thing."

            I have nothing against patriotism, it’s just better that a clever engineer working at the plant is albeit liberal


            Which, if something happens, will go to Bolotnaya? Or "to defend" the White House? Nefig, nefig.
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 12 January 2016 16: 42
            +1
            Quote: nazar_0753
            than the hand-lover adoring the Motherland.

            well saidlol
        2. Hello
          Hello 12 January 2016 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          And what, a creative, knowledgeable and patriotic engineer does not exist? Or do you have here at VO some "humanities" gathered under the "Star of David", all such patriots of their new homeland?

          read carefully
          First of all, they should teach him to study and give a certain knowledge base. But patriotism and creativity is a good thing, but not the main thing.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2016 15: 49
            0
            read carefully


            Once again, and you already.

            And in my opinion, the main thing is both patriotism and And skill-knowledge. And if separately - then this is "not the main thing."
            1. Hello
              Hello 12 January 2016 16: 16
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              Once again, and you already.

              I will be glad if all this will be given at the same time, but the main task of the school is to teach the child to learn, and patriotism, monarchism, atheism and others like them to the extent possible. wink
        3. sa-ag
          sa-ag 12 January 2016 17: 17
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          And what, a creative, knowledgeable and patriotic engineer does not happen?

          creative and knowledgeable yes, it happens, but not always patriotic, because his look is more sober than that of an official and if he sees that someone else’s development is better, he will say that this solution is better, not domestic
    5. nemec55
      nemec55 12 January 2016 08: 34
      +2
      First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality

      While he becomes and love, they will be taught by NPOs and the like husks they hate and despise
      We recall the words (scoop Rusnya wooden ruble, etc.) all as in the 90s
    6. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2016 11: 15
      +4
      everyone should love their homeland, and the student should receive knowledge and be able to use it
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 12 January 2016 07: 14
    +4
    Was it really impossible to do, for example, with products - there are made according to GOST, but there are textbooks made according to GOST and would be the same for general education, and for "variable" - according to TU, or how they will be called, but there should be one platform! Previously, typos in textbooks caused us a lot of fun - they were extremely rare, but now bloopers are not even spelling-logical! For my child I will look for textbooks that I myself studied in a Soviet school, yes, it was much harder to study, but they taught thoroughly and put "two" marks, now it is impossible.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 12 January 2016 07: 19
      +7
      Soviet textbooks are worth its weight in gold.
      1. Sunseich
        Sunseich 12 January 2016 15: 54
        0
        two of my friends, men between the ages of 65 and 73, are collecting Soviet textbooks of mathematics and physics for grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
        My former boss told:
        grandson arrived, talking. Problems at school with physics - does not pull!
        Grandfather takes out a physics textbook (for 70 years, I didn’t remember the author’s name), begins to read and show to his grandson. After 4 hours, the grandson gives out. AFIGET! we have gone half a year during this time and everything is clear. WHAT DO WE TEACH ?!
        the grandson of the Moscow State University graduated from another acquaintance. Very negative reviews: stumps are sitting, all do not care! A daddy - well done! already work in Yandex projects, there is experience and the head is in place. I respect such!
  • andrei.yandex
    andrei.yandex 12 January 2016 07: 21
    +2
    A man in the face of information aggression
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 12 January 2016 07: 22
    +2
    I understand that in the photo at the beginning of the article the future Minister of Education of the country?
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 12 January 2016 08: 17
      +9
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      I understand that in the photo at the beginning of the article the future Minister of Education of the country?

      ... the future master of education ... well, who is more?
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 12 January 2016 07: 23
    +8
    Chaos is happening in schools and universities. Wild amount of unnecessary reporting. Dead words that lose their meaning. How many universities will remain by the end of the year, and in what form I can’t even imagine. Knowledge is often obtained no longer thanks, but in spite of.
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 12 January 2016 07: 33
    +7
    "... That is, in front of the president's eyes they patted their sweaty palms, and then they let the initiative go on the brakes, not making the result public. Hypocrisy?"
    Yes, an elementary publishing lobby, money is at the forefront, but they would like to have a lot of sausages, so why are you now surprised, or are you developing a stomach or brains, in the USSR they were occupied with the latter, for which they still criticize him so much :-)
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  • kuznec
    kuznec 12 January 2016 07: 37
    13
    The education system and culture is the foundation on which the state stands. Uneducated and uncultured people are dying. And if the Ministry of Culture works somehow, then the Ministry of Education is the clear enemies of the people.
    I have two children studying at school, and comparing what is happening now with the times when I studied myself - I am horrified. Teachers (more) do not give a damn about the students, the school principal is an functionary who does not care about the school. The school curriculum puts into a stupor. How can we raise Russia with one hour of physics a week ?! Where is astronomy? Where did the technical creativity circles go? In my time, those who could enroll in radio or aircraft modeling circles were considered lucky. And let anyone want to study religion in Sunday school, we have a secular state.
    Last year my son didn’t have any labor lessons at all - the teachers could not be found, supposedly. In the gymnasium, money is levied, the quality of teaching is poor, but self-conceit is higher than the roof.
    So you have to teach children yourself - me, my wife and grandmothers. Forcing to read, solving problems together, grandmothers help in English. and stories, we all play sports together. There is no hope for this school.
  • Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 12 January 2016 07: 48
    +3
    It is interesting that the "new history textbook" is almost written according to information from "Wikipedia"! (met such information).
    Those. not according to "historical sources" from archival documents, but according to materials from a site where anyone can write anything and how they want.
    On the Unified State Exam - almost universal cheating, teachers themselves contribute to this, otherwise the "event" will fail. I am generally silent about the quality of knowledge, the C-grade students of the 80s in terms of knowledge could now claim almost a "gold medal", probably ...
    It is also interesting that for some reason it is rarely possible to identify the author of such documents. There is a document, according to which children are taught throughout the country, but no author. Aliens planted? Or "partners"? ..
    1. Glory to the CPSU and not only
      Glory to the CPSU and not only 12 January 2016 09: 30
      +3
      I doubt it about the C-grade students of the 80s with a gold medal. Even then, the disintegration began. My daughter was taught freehand drawing. But with my school knowledge, I would definitely graduate from the current school with a gold medal. Although not a fact - the Unified State Exam (in Kazakhstan UNT), any knowledge is reduced to a guess. Institute is the same song. What specimens come to our internship - dear mom! What anatomy, what physiology. I generally keep quiet about biochemistry! Initial skills are zero. Complete post-Soviet moronization of the population. Now all sovereign, independent and nezalezhni, the so-called states, first of all lead their children to sovereignty, independence and nezalezhni from the brain.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2016 10: 01
        +1
        Quote: Glory to the KPSS and not only
        Already then the collapse began

        why would it be taught by inertia back in the early 90's on the Soviet program
      2. Glory to the CPSU and not only
        Glory to the CPSU and not only 12 January 2016 10: 05
        +1
        And why am I wrong that you are minus?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2016 11: 12
          0
          in the fact that in the 80s they taught poorly
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 12 January 2016 15: 21
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            in the fact that in the 80s they taught poorly

            But the collapse really began precisely then - culturally. According to misfortune, behavior is easy to trace. Culture sank, and in the 90s education too.
            My wife finished school in 2005, and at 4 - 5. I am an 87-year-old "child", a "round" C grade student. But I often laugh at my wife, because for her knowledge in my time they put 2! laughing And the fault is not in the wife, but in education. hi
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2016 17: 38
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              But the collapse really began precisely then - culturally. According to misfortune, behavior is easy to trace.

              we are talking about knowledge kind of like, not about ideology
  • Darkoff
    Darkoff 12 January 2016 07: 51
    +2
    The main hope is that, finally, will completeЬXia era ...

    Hope a typo.

    I am grateful to the author for the work on the article, but put a minus. For this conclusion, which radically and negatively changes the attitude to the article and to the author:
    However, it’s not idealization, the Ministry of Education and Science tells us all. This is the standard! That is, the graduate of the school must possess, by definition, the only one with all types of thinking that officials recall.

    If the author has something to do with pedagogy, then he must understand that the school is not a factory, at the end of which absolutely identical products are obtained that fully comply with a certain standard. With regard to the formation of certain personal qualities, any standards should set the highest possible standard (benchmark), which both teachers and students should strive for. It is obvious that each graduate will reach exclusively his individual level of compliance with educational standards. And this level will be evaluated by grades in the certificate and exam points.
    What then, according to the author, should be the standard of education? He should correspond to the current state of affairs and state the sad facts instead of setting promising goals and objectives?
    And for the illustration, too minus. It illustrates not so much the state of our education as the state of our society as a whole. If there is no one else to educate this bather, besides school teachers, then this is not only a school problem. This bather is not primarily a graduate of the United States. And first of all, she is a member of our society. She is the daughter of one of us with you!
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 12 January 2016 08: 26
      +2
      Quote: DarkOFF
      school is not a factory, at the exit of which absolutely identical products are obtained, which fully comply with a certain standard. ... any standards should set the bar as high as possible (benchmark), which both teachers and students should strive for. It is obvious that each graduate will reach exclusively his individual level of compliance with educational standards. And this level will be evaluated by grades in the certificate and exam points.

      ... I say - (judging by the photo illustration) the main thing: to teach not to drink vodka with beer ... and not to bite milk with cucumbers! This is the standard! ...
      ... haven’t tried it? What is the exam? ... what are the "marks" ...
      There "yes" and "no" - and a "passing certificate of a qualified consumer"! Go into your future life (zhist!) And consume in accordance with the standard - not the Federal State Educational Standard, but the SLDP-R - "the standard of the liberal-moronic consumer - Russian localization" ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 January 2016 07: 58
    +6
    the completion of the reform process, which has been going on for two decades

    And this bacchanalia will continue until the ministers of education lose the urge to immortalize themselves in history with new transformations. Personally, I have a firm conviction that the enemies of our state are at the head of education. A solid C grade student of the Soviet era possessed a greater set of knowledge than an "excellent student" of the present time. The complete destruction of the system of Soviet school education took place in a planned manner and at the behest of clearly not Russians.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 January 2016 08: 03
    +5
    There is no hope for our school. Lectures on history, physics, chemistry, biology and geography he gave to children himself. I hope that now they will not get lost, either in the information sea or in a foreign country. I talked with a history teacher somehow - horrified. She has porridge in her head. Who taught her? Generation of the 90s.
  • Riv
    Riv 12 January 2016 08: 08
    +5
    The author is somehow strange and I have the impression that he has no children of his own. How to drum into people that school is not responsible for their offspring? THE PARENTS ARE FIRSTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. Well, what difference does it make how many history textbooks a child has and which ones if mom and dad were never interested in history? What is the use of saying: "Our children are poorly taught" - if you yourself do not deal with them?

    They teach poorly - change school. There are no teachers who suit you - teach yourself. This morning I was late for work, I say to my daughter: "Take a walk with the dog." She: "Why me?" Me: "Because I said so." She takes a leash, goes to walk the dog ... After that, she has no questions when, after school, she needs to go to an English school or to judo. Such questions simply cannot appear. However, she likes judo and the threat to call the coach, to prohibit training works quite well.

    And if you moan about the school, it will never work. No one will seriously raise a child for the parents, and if you rely on the state in this matter, then there will be what is.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 12 January 2016 12: 14
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      And if you moan about the school, it will never work. No one will seriously raise a child for the parents, and if you rely on the state in this matter, then there will be what is.

      School also educates, because it is an "information field" ... often, especially now, it is a "field of miracles"!
      You. Significant, at home she had one story, and there she had another, exactly the opposite! Cognitive, it began to be, dissonance ... Only - at home after listening to a lecture from dad and mom - a plate of borscht and a cutlet, and at school - a failure in the Unified State Exam without the right to retake ... close the road to a university, a technical school, ... to work in "decent" firms with a decent salary ...
      ... And you thought: the Unified State Exam is only points and an assessment of "knowledge"? No, this is the imposition of an ideology and mentality in a foreign country, and in the most active mode! Where there is NTV, MatchTV and "Wuhu matzah" ... Management of the future online ...
      1. Riv
        Riv 12 January 2016 12: 30
        +3
        You contradict yourself. If the school is an information field, then it means it still provides information. So the problem is to figure this information out. Turn on the brain - and figure it out. But the school itself will not turn on the human brain, and it is not her duty, to be honest.

        Again, an example from life. I come home from work and ask: "Did you feed the animals?" Not fed. What are we waiting for? A kick in the ass? The eldest runs to the kitchen, drags food, pours it to the dog. How to feed the cat? I say: "Turn on your brain, don't be stupid." Aha! .. He climbs into the refrigerator, takes out an egg, breaks it into a bowl for a cat. The animals are happy. And if I had not reminded, the dog and the cat would have remained hungry.

        And this is the task: to make responsible for your flock. I believe that it is more important than not. You will not become a leader only due to strength and arrogance. The only important assessment is the one that society gives you. This assessment is always objective, because it is put together. And the exam is just an attempt to make the subjective assessment objective.
    2. pesny2006
      pesny2006 13 January 2016 10: 32
      0
      Sorry, but the difference in the textbooks is very big. There are math textbooks where the answers or problems are incorrect. There is a distortion of history. I teach OBZh, so in the last few years, textbooks have been generally dealt with. There is no practice. Lessons are cutting back. But we study the most important thing - the ability to live and defend. Slowly in schools, the works were removed, or they are being removed.
  • Glory to the CPSU and not only
    Glory to the CPSU and not only 12 January 2016 08: 09
    +6
    If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children. Is that why in ancient times the winner took the children of the vanquished for the upbringing of himself? This is approximately what is being actively conducted in Russia.
    A vivid example of Ukraine. In Soviet times, gradually, at the kitchen level, the psychology of modern Ukraine was inculcated by ponad use. Now we have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vWWqlr0tc4
  • uskrabut
    uskrabut 12 January 2016 08: 11
    +5
    And then there is such a definition - "educational services". Pure idiocy !!! Shlola, secondary educational institution, higher educational institution should provide knowledge, and not provide educational services, and knowledge should be the criterion for assessing the activities of educational institutions.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 29
      0
      And then there is such a definition - "educational services". Pure idiocy !!!


      What knowledge can be under capitalism, the main capitalist criterion is MONEY. That is, to sell the service of issuing a diploma at the highest possible price with the lowest possible cost. There is no place for knowledge.
  • nemec55
    nemec55 12 January 2016 08: 13
    +3
    Often heard the phrase * Ukraine slipped into the 90s * Since it was not a step that awaits Russia after GDP.
    Yesterday I watched a video where they interviewed the daughter of a sailor who died on KURSK so she says I don’t communicate with classmates, all of us Fascists go with a swastika angry these are Peter’s children glamorous boobies
  • uskrabut
    uskrabut 12 January 2016 08: 14
    +3
    It is interesting that the "new history textbook" is almost written according to information from "Wikipedia"! (met such information).
    Those. not according to "historical sources" from archival documents, but according to materials from a site where anyone can write anything and how they want.
    a textbook is money to the author. Therefore, here the situation is, as with questions for the USE - professionals should write, and approximate stupid people write, so that it can be handy to cut money.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 12 January 2016 08: 15
    +2
    I wonder who needs literate people? Navryatli state. The authorities have one slogan ... what’s not there, then we’ll buy ..., it looks like a slogan of a penostan.
  • tchoni
    tchoni 12 January 2016 08: 18
    +1
    Cons GEF preservation of a nationalist orientation .. Instead of intermingling peoples and nationalities into a single nation, education strengthens national independence. And what could it lead to?
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 January 2016 08: 32
    +4
    There is no strategy in anything. Not in education, not in medicine, not in politics. There is a constant flea catching and the desire to copy anything from "there". Well, do not go to the Western tracing paper on our realities! Only Stalin's administrative and mobilization economy can still shake us up and prepare the ground for reforms. The clearing must be cleaned up.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 12 January 2016 12: 19
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Well, do not go to Western tracing paper on our realities! Only the administrative and mobilization economy of Stalin can still shake us and set the stage for reform. Clearing needs to be cleaned.

      According to the sensations, this is exactly what awaits us all approximately in 2017 ... I smell the liver ... and maybe something else ...
  • 31rus
    31rus 12 January 2016 08: 33
    +7
    Dear, we argue, and meanwhile, in a neighboring village with a population of 3000, another school is closed, the collective is disbanded, this is called “optimization.” By the way, a year ago, they also closed the hospital, so what do we say next?
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 31
      0
      By the way, a hospital was also closed a year ago, so what do we say next?


      Your specific suggestions?
  • Tungus
    Tungus 12 January 2016 08: 37
    +4
    Such systemic processes as education, upbringing and training are, unfortunately, in the past. Today, children are given a set of knowledge, while not always of high quality. And if, after Gagarin’s flight, the Americans admitted that we won the race for the school desk, today we are getting closer and closer to the level of their educational school. And officials fulfill orders for the dibilization of society, for the education of the consumer. Their children all live in Cambridge and Yale, and then return to Russia to continue the reform of their parents. Unfortunately.
  • Tungus
    Tungus 12 January 2016 08: 38
    +1
    Something my flag is not native.
  • xoma58
    xoma58 12 January 2016 08: 42
    +4
    The main task of "our" government in the field of education is the moronization of the population. Why do slaves need brains, a pipe can be served by an uneducated one (the moderator does not pass a suitable word), besides, he does not ask "stupid" questions. So it turns out, there is no education, no medicine, vodka, tobacco, drugs are freely available - the "Ost" plan is in action, Adolf Hitler would be pleased with his followers, represented by "our" government.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 January 2016 11: 50
      +1
      To even serve the pipe, you need knowledge, and even more work skills.
  • Senior manager
    Senior manager 12 January 2016 08: 47
    +5
    What the President and his analysts can be blamed for is the lack of understanding of the state’s priorities. Education - youth - development of all areas of activity - strengthening of the state. Misunderstanding of this, failure to take measures to rectify the situation will lead to a state of vocational education. Already stepped on a rake once, why repeat. In general, it seems that the enemy grabbed the main links in the chain of our strength - finance, education and upbringing and sawing them, once sawing them off, and for the President these two issues are taboo. This is how this reform game from education looks.
  • egor1712
    egor1712 12 January 2016 08: 54
    +2
    Good photo for the article. So it is, the modern educational system - ASS on top, and with what they think, somewhere between the legs. And for the sake of brevity, under the photo the inscription is WITHOUT WORDS.
  • Prometey
    Prometey 12 January 2016 09: 19
    +5
    Read more the requirements of the Federal State Educational Standard for teaching staff - you will be surprised no less - they are just universal soldiers who must cut, sew and knit. Not only was the computerization of education first imposed on teachers under the guise of any "innovations", but now teachers cannot do anything if children with disabilities are brought to a class with ordinary children to study. No, I am not against in any case the joint education of disabled children in regular classes, but everything should be in moderation. And if this is a child with a mental disorder, mental retardation, or mental retardation in the form of debility. Why, then, should others suffer - normal children. And working with such children requires special training of teachers, knowledge of special and correctional pedagogy. And the school, according to the law on education, cannot refuse parents to accept such children for education. He can only recommend going to a specialized school.
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 12 January 2016 09: 47
      +6
      The wife works at school, that's exactly how it is. And the new "universal" teachers who come are generally something with something: he laughed for a long time when he read a magazine filled with a teacher of Russian language and literature - I swear, I'm not lying mistakes in every third word
      1. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 12 January 2016 10: 07
        +2
        Yes, at least get involved, but one teacher cannot conduct mathematics, geography and drawing
        1. xorgi
          xorgi 12 January 2016 10: 26
          +4
          I am a teacher-historian for the first higher education, a biologist (not a teacher), a candidate of biological sciences, a candidate for biological sciences, I defended my candidate in microbiology with a huge section in chemistry, at the school I teach (over 10 years) history, biology and chemistry. So you are wrong, one teacher can teach different subjects.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 43
            +1
            So you are wrong, one teacher can teach different subjects.


            Plus. He taught a bunch of subjects, from the design of locomotives, to computer science. And history is a favorite subject and always wanted to instill students' interest in it.
          2. nazar_0753
            nazar_0753 12 January 2016 14: 34
            0
            I would call you a pleasant exception to the rule. Because I’m not sure that all teachers leading several subjects at the same time have several specialized higher educations and do not teach simply because they could not find specialist teachers for each subject individually
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 12 January 2016 10: 46
          +2
          And I led. In the Soviet rural school from 1977 to 1981. History, social studies, geography, English and ... labor. Then another year of drawing. There were 5 children in some classes. Didn't know what a sandwich is! "This is when they put sausage on the bread? This we know, but that the sandwich is not!" In 1980, the year of the Olympics, he explained to them what disposable tableware was, they wrote about it in the newspapers ... "These plates will not be enough for everyone!" - their opinion from the family. And all sorts of other miracles ... I wrote an article about it in the TEACHER'S NEWSPAPER. They answered - "the truth itself", "but live on the earth without clouds" and did not publish it, "after all, we are fighting this and sooner or later it will disappear!" Disappeared!
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 12 January 2016 21: 59
            0
            I wonder in which region?
    2. xorgi
      xorgi 12 January 2016 09: 54
      +1
      We are not going anywhere from computerization, scientific and technological progress is still progress. And I agree about HIA, but here again everything depends on the parents: they must themselves understand what it will be difficult for the child to learn.
    3. alicante11
      alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 34
      +2
      No, I am not in any way against the joint education of disabled children in ordinary classes, but everything should be in moderation.


      And I am against. In my first grade I had a kid with a prosthesis instead of a hand, so much as he had to endure ... Children are very susceptible to collective cruelty to those who do not look like them.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 January 2016 09: 31
    +1
    Yes, in medicine, too, we don’t.
    They planted doctors of the old school for buggy computers ...
  • xorgi
    xorgi 12 January 2016 09: 42
    -3
    Again an article about school with ignorance of school realities.
    1. The author begins with the fact that he hails the GEF. This document (in conjunction with the sample programs that follow it) is a blessing for both parents (student representatives) and teachers and officials. Since it allows you to demand its execution. For example, if the laboratory work in chemistry is not carried out (if it is indicated in the indicated documents), parents have the right to demand its conduct up to an administrative penalty for the school and the specific teacher. The teacher, in turn, has the right to demand from the school administration (for those who are especially smart: yes, I do this repeatedly and regularly) the supply of this or that equipment (of course, it is necessary to take into account economic realities and make compromises without requiring all at once). Also for those who don’t know, I’m reporting: there were similar documents at all times and with any system, they were called or adopted at a different level, but they were. I also inform you that the final result of the training (what a student should be and what he should know and be able to do) practically repeats what was written in Soviet documents.
    2. The only thing I agree with the author is the lack of hours. This is a relic of the zero, nineties and even eighties (and something even earlier) associated with the introduction of "undersubjects" (MHC, regional studies, computer science, etc.).
    3. Concerning the textbook. I consider stupidity any extreme as one textbook, and a bunch of different textbooks. If in history I agree with a creak to one textbook, then for the rest I am categorically against it. In most cases, textbooks differ not in the quality of the material (this is found, but less often), but in its presentation. For example, in chemistry, four lines of Rudzitis, two of the Kuznetsov and Gabrielyan, they are designed for different students and differ precisely in the presentation of the material: Rudzitis - simple in presentation, but not giving additional knowledge, L. Kuznetsova - chemistry for humanities and biologists, N. Kuznetsova - chemistry for chemists, Gabrielyan - chemistry for mathematicians and physicists. If you make a middle textbook, then it will seem difficult for a weak student to read, the humanities incomprehensible, and the mathematics uninteresting. City schools most often have the opportunity to form more homogeneous classes (it’s another matter that they don’t always want to do this), and if the textbook seems difficult, uninteresting, or weak for the whole class, then the whole class will not study. In rural schools, of course, this will not work, there you have to take the simplest textbook, for individual students additional. Another thing is that very often the teachers themselves or the school administration do not want to manipulate textbooks. By the way, this was also in Soviet times, inorganic and general chemistry of the teacher was taught by Rudzitis, and organic by Tsvetkova.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 12 January 2016 12: 34
      0
      Quote: xorgi
      Again an article about school with ignorance of school realities.
      1. The author begins with the fact that he hails the GEF. This document (in conjunction with the sample programs that follow it) is a blessing for both parents (student representatives) and teachers and officials.

      I agree only with the 3rd paragraph! well, maybe since the 2nd ...
      And so - GEF: this is the "code of the builder of communism" for education; fulfill it even by 50% (percent ...) not technically feasible!
      ... it’s easier to fulfill the ten commandments ...
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 12 January 2016 15: 23
        +1
        CONTROL FGOS about the student provides an ideal end result, and about the program: the FGOS contains the minimum required by the teacher, the school administration and officials; for this minimum, "5" is put, if your child received a "3" - this means he does not know the minimum recorded in the Federal State Educational Standard and there is no need to exaggerate about the "builder of communism" and "ten commandments" - there are requirements, but there are indicators. as I said, the requirements for a student are approximately the same as in Soviet documents, even a little simpler
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 12 January 2016 13: 57
      0
      Again an article about school with ignorance of school realities.


      Sorry, dear, but you do not know the school realities.

      For example, if laboratory work in chemistry is not carried out (if it is indicated in the indicated documents), parents have the right to demand its conduct up to an administrative penalty for the school and the specific teacher


      First, the punishment for "laboratory failure" was ALWAYS implied. KTP is a sacred thing. Another thing is that it is quite problematic to prove whether it was conducted or not. Moreover, the students are only too glad to be "not carried out". But here's what to do if the equipment for LR. Or reagents or something. If no money has been allocated for this, then who is the teacher to demand / punish? Headmaster? Livanov? Or GDP?


      The teacher, in turn, has the right to demand from the school administration (for those who are especially smart: yes, I do this repeatedly and regularly) the supply of this or that equipment (of course, you need to take into account economic realities and make compromises without requiring all at once).


      We take into account. They say that in recent years 4 Univer has not implemented a single application from our technical school. I can’t confirm it for 4 of the year. But this year they definitely said that nothing would happen. Extrabudgetary shortage. So I believe.
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 12 January 2016 15: 16
        -1
        alicante11: "it is YOU who do not know school realities" - huh? I know less about school working at school than you do not working at a technical school?
        - students are not happy not to conduct laboratory work, even very
        - about the laboratory, it was specially spoken for members of the forum who shout: "we have no laboratory in chemistry" and explained what to do
        - the lack of money for reagents and equipment was also explained, the teacher is obliged to demand it from the director and appeal to the Federal State Educational Standard, of course, everything should be done bureaucratically, with pieces of paper
        - Money is always allocated, there is a separate article for this, another thing is where they go.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 January 2016 15: 59
          -1
          I work at school know less about school than you do not work at a technical school?


          I work there. And the eldest son goes to school, but I still show his parental interest in his studies.

          - students are not happy not to conduct laboratory work, even very


          Yeah, especially if you also need to protect them later. Although in schools this is not practiced.

          - the lack of money for reagents and equipment was also explained, the teacher is obliged to demand it from the director and appeal to the Federal State Educational Standard, of course, everything should be done bureaucratically, with pieces of paper


          Here we write, we write, I say, 4 of the year of the application and all written, and the rector has already changed, and when the application was refused this year, some hotheads suggested complaining above, but the dean (director of the technical school, which is now the faculty of STR) said that if we write, we will have a new dean, and there will be no other changes.

          - Money is always allocated, there is a separate article for this, another thing is where they go.


          Believe me, not always. Not from a good life, school principals arrange requisitions from parents. We even have extramural students who just wouldn’t learn, are ready to drag a half-electric locomotive from work to create mock-ups and stands. But at school the situation is this - a few years ago it was ordered to change the evacuation plans to glow in the dark. And no one has allocated money for these new plans. They are not foreseen in the budget for the year. And the directors of the school will be fined, not the city or district. So the school crawls into the parents' pocket for a fee for free education.
          1. xorgi
            xorgi 12 January 2016 17: 20
            -1
            for the first time in my teaching practice I heard about laboratory ones that need to be protected.
            You confuse money for repairs and equipment - these are different budget items, for repairs there is always not enough yes
  • Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 12 January 2016 09: 42
    +4
    The publication of new textbooks, no matter what the nonsense they wrote, it’s cut the dough and no one will just refuse it
  • Borisych69
    Borisych69 12 January 2016 10: 05
    +4
    This year, the Ministry of Education recommended (and to be honest, it was simply imposed in all possible ways) a program for kindergartens in which there are several "non-traditional notions about the family", namely:
    - the main character is gender-neutral, that is, an asexual creature
    - families with two "dads" without a mother, and with two "mothers" without a father are considered.
    There are normal families too, but the main emphasis is on the fact that a family where parents of the same sex is normal.

    Thank God that the teachers were not so "advanced" and the majority (all of my friends) refused to work on this program
    Unfortunately I do not remember the name of the program.
    This is what concerns the kindergarten, but there’s no need to talk about school, the load on the children is enormous, you have to learn a lot, only they ask you to teach all kinds of nonsense.
    I have a nephew in elementary school, so they study a bunch of Japanese, Baltic and other foreign fairy tales and poems in literature (reading), and the works of our poets and writers occupy less than 10% of the total.
    And so on every subject.
    It seems that people in our ministry of education are sitting interested in the fact that the younger generation would grow up just dumb, unable to think independently, with perverted family values, etc.

    P.S. Cry from the heart
    1. xorgi
      xorgi 12 January 2016 10: 10
      -1
      What nonsense, give a link to the document.
      1. Borisych69
        Borisych69 12 January 2016 10: 23
        +1
        I will try to find.
      2. Borisych69
        Borisych69 12 January 2016 10: 56
        0
        All day I’ve been trying to delve into a new preschool program. Maybe someone is already familiar and satisfied, but I find fault?
        In general, the program is based on a fairy tale about Kronik. I am puzzled.
        That is:
        Heroes
        The chronicle is a white badger.
        Akrontel the Elder - grandfather, great scientist.
        Crotilda is a grandmother, a wonderful artist.
        Akrontel Sredny– dad Krontika, philologist.
        Kissia - cat-mother, adoptive mother of Krontik, wife of Akrontel Sredny, daughter-in-law of Akrontel the Elder and Krontilda.
        Elisa is a fox, a friend of Kronik.
        Usholybyty - a cat from the Akrontel family
        Kronik finds out that he is not a mole, but a badger

        The fact that the Kronik was white, and not striped, he always knew - how much he remembered. Even when he was very young, he compared his skin to his dad and was surprised that dad was striped, but he was not. He compared his skin with grandfather and grandmother and was again surprised. Both the grandfather and the grandmother had strips, but he, Kronik, did not have it. Even his adoptive cat mother was with stripes, and Kronik did not have a dash on his skin. The critic was almost reconciled with the fact that he was white, as a new misfortune fell on him. Before entering school, he learned that he was not a mole. It turned out that he was a badger. One thing was good in this situation: all his parents, except for the adoptive mother cat, were also badgers, not moles.
        And more
        When his grandfather was sitting at his desk, ALREADY lay on his shoulders like a collar, dozing and rattling with pleasure. When the cat fell asleep, saliva flowed from his half-open mouth. Part of the grandfather’s dressing gown very quickly became completely wet - even squeeze it, but the grandfather did not notice and did not complain: he worked. When Kronik was very small, he even made paper boats and let him down the river, which was made from cat saliva. Sometimes Kronik planted an ant or a ladybug in his boat, sometimes a spider or a small caterpillar. The river carried each of them from the office to the greenhouse, and from there carried it into the courtyard. There, in the courtyard, the swimming ended: saliva was absorbed into the ground and paper boats were aground.

        This is one of the forums on which this program is discussed: http://omsk.com/viewtopic.php?t=277182
        subsections about the Chronicle written a great many, if interested read.
        Maybe I find fault, but the kronik very often has questions about who it is and why it lives at all.
        1. xorgi
          xorgi 12 January 2016 11: 34
          +1
          Thank you for something. This is an ADDITIONAL PRESCHOOL program, that is, if you want to send your child to a group with similar training, if you do not want - do not give it. Another thing is how society relates to this, for this there are discussions on different platforms. And then, I did not find anything "gender-neutral" (in those samples that I saw), at least not more than in Cheburashka, by the way, I wonder who it is. Forgive me not in a fairy tale bad thoughts are inherent, but in those who read: Moomins are gender-neutral, Carlson is a pedophile, Ivan Tsarevich is a bestiality, Elisha is a necrophile, and Buratino is generally a manual for a sex shop.
          1. Borisych69
            Borisych69 12 January 2016 11: 49
            +1
            I’m not an expert in this field, I wrote about this program from the words of my friends’s kindergarten teachers,
            what I brought here are only those moments that were found in 20 minutes on the network.
            And the teachers of the kindergartens were sent to courses on this program, where they strongly recommended using it everywhere and everywhere, and they promised bonuses for working under this program. So, I simply have not heard other reviews about this program from educators.
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 12 January 2016 12: 49
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          Quote: Borisych69
          All day I’ve been trying to delve into a new preschool program. Maybe someone is already familiar and satisfied, but I find fault?
          In general, the program is based on a fairy tale about Kronik. I am puzzled.

          Yes?
          Then remember (if your age allows) when OUR cartoons by OUR authors began to appear on OUR television with the main - and secondary - heroes (positive!): Funny squids and octopuses, cute scorpions, adorable snakes and adorable spiders, devils ... all sorts of zombies ... and other "positive" monsters? And who - what authors - generated them? ...
          Remembered?
          It all starts with fairy tales for children ... And these fairy tales began to appear in our country BEFORE even Gorbachev with his "perestroika ...
      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 12 January 2016 12: 41
        0
        I won’t give links, but the printed one is on Finnish, by the way, paper! - I have it. Scan, or what? ...
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 12 January 2016 12: 39
      0
      Quote: Borisych69
      This year, the Ministry of Education recommended (and to be honest, it was simply imposed by all possible means) a program for kindergartens

      You just don't know HOW and BY WHOM this "program" was promoted ... Not recommended, and not even imposed, but vpendyurena! ...
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 12 January 2016 15: 31
        0
        the program is not obligatory for execution, this is not the federal state educational standard, who forces it to be executed? the school has a federal state educational standard - obligatory for execution, and there are exemplary and author's programs, the latter are very often "vpendyuriyu", in history I work according to an exemplary curriculum, but in chemistry and biology - no, I have developed my own workers - they correspond correspond to the approximate and no one forces me
  • kirgudu
    kirgudu 12 January 2016 10: 37
    +3
    The strategy is to grow stupid consumers, and it is advisable to transfer all education to paid rails. That is the whole strategy.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 12 January 2016 10: 51
    +3
    Correct article, plus.
    ... somewhere "above" there are people who
    simply endless process of violence against the educational environment that does not lead to
    adequate result.

    By no means, the "process of violence against the educational environment" just leads to planned the result - the systematic collapse of the Soviet education system, which, by the way, has proven its worth in business.
    Students are persistently overloaded with excessive disciplines, thus striking a blow to the psyche and health.
    One of the wretched arguments of the "innovators", they say, in the century before last, lyceum students studied Latin (the Law of God, rhetoric, logic, history, geography, ancient Greek, only 8) and is comparable to the load on a modern student.
    А man has not changed, and if it has changed, it is not for the better (health and intelligence).
    And then happiness piled on in the face of an athlete-deputy Zhurova, with his golf (((
    PS
    I agree that learning foreign languages ​​is useful, but it should be a right, not an obligation.
    And now, in my opinion, they are imposing a quiet glanders, arguing that they care about citizens, under the threat of criminal liability, from water meters (heat) to various crap, without which we, such uneconomical and unreasonable, cannot live.
  • drags33
    drags33 12 January 2016 10: 54
    +6
    All this reformatory (and in fact - criminal !!!) activity of the Ministry of Education should be prohibited by law! Stop mocking education! These are not at all harmless "reform experiments", but deliberately criminal acts aimed at the collapse of the country and posing a threat to national security. URGENTLY, it is necessary to COMPLETELY replace the Ministry of Education with new literate people, patriots of the country and take a course towards returning the Soviet education system with the introduction of changes in accordance with the requirements of the XNUMXst century. WITHOUT THIS COUNTRY WILL COME TO A DISASTER !!!
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 12 January 2016 11: 20
      +1
      The catastrophe has already come. Climbing out of what has already been accomplished will be sooooooooooooooooooooo Will to get out of the Elite of Moscow IS NOT and WILL NOT. It can only be deleted. Like a rotten tooth.
  • Kunar
    Kunar 12 January 2016 11: 17
    +2
    Legislatively return the Soviet system of education! Free ... Otherwise, we will turn into stupid amers ... And this is unprofitable!
    1. nazar_0753
      nazar_0753 12 January 2016 14: 41
      +2
      To do this, it is necessary to legislatively nationalize education (to ban private, non-state schools and universities), and it is advisable to start issuing diplomas of an internal standard (so that they are not accepted in any country other than Russia, well, maybe, except for the nearest countries). But this, sadly, is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 12 January 2016 11: 33
    +3
    Through all the innovations of the Ministry of Education and Science it is necessary to let, first of all, the officials of this ministry. In particular, make them all go through the EG in all subjects. The results could be shown on TV in the section of humor or you can’t imagine on purpose. It’s just a mockery of students, teachers and parents. But after all, someone steers it all. All ministers are cardboard fools, fulfilling the will of the one who appoints them.
  • Vital1
    Vital1 12 January 2016 11: 41
    +2
    Quote: My address
    hi , Vlad.



    The reason is irresponsibility, in isolation. In a decent modern state, the average physician and teacher should treat and teach the elite. Otherwise, it is an indecent state and the elite, in fact, is not the elite, or the elite is not of this state. One hundred years ago, isolation led to a revolution.


    This is not a matter of "irresponsibility" at all, this is called criminal activity! The leadership deliberately destroys the main pillars of statehood. 1. The population should be illiterate and not be able to receive qualified medical care. The Bank of Russia is also not a national treasure of the country, Article 1 On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation: "The Bank of Russia is a legal entity. The Bank of Russia has a seal with the State Emblem of the Russian Federation and its own name." There is a systematic destruction of our Motherland!