Briefly about the modern educational strategy ...

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The school year passed through the equator, and, by tradition, in the educational environment - new hopes, aspirations, plans. The main hope is connected with the fact that, finally, the era of reforming the educational system will end, and both teachers and students breathe deeply, freeing themselves from a series of various experiments and “innovations” that, excuse me, zatyukali (in the framework of the standards of decency pick up more or less literary word) officials from education.

However, unfortunately, there is no need to talk about the completion of the reform process, which has lasted for two decades at least. It seems that somewhere “above” there are people who simply benefit from the endless process of violence against the educational environment, which does not lead to an adequate result. A sort of controlled chaos in a single branch of the country; and in the industry, which by definition is strategic for any state that is really going to defend its interests and develop.



At what stage of reforming the education model is Russia now? Answering this question, we can single out several very “original” areas, which, as it turns out, in fact have little in common with the real stage-by-stage development. One of the pillars of the modern domestic (if it can be called a term derived from the basis of “Fatherland”) is a document written by the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation - the Federal State Educational Standard, acquaintance with which causes genuine emotions.

An important aspect of the Federal State Educational Standard (GEF) is a paragraph devoted to what should, according to the authors of the document, be a modern school graduate. You know, this is a very interesting piece of reading, especially considering the fact that quite recently Mr. Fursenko (the one who served as Minister of Education and Science) announced the need to educate and educate not creators, but qualified consumers ...

So, what does this GEF itself say about the qualities of a modern graduate who are ordered to be ordered by the state itself (the state standard)? Item 6 Section I GEF:

The standard is focused on the development of the personal characteristics of a graduate (“portrait of a graduate of a primary school”):
who loves his land and his homeland, who knows Russian and his native language, who respects his people, his culture and spiritual traditions;
aware of and accepting the values ​​of human life, family, civil society, multi-ethnic Russian people, humanity;
actively and keenly knowing the world, aware of the value of work, science and creativity;
able to learn, aware of the importance of education and self-education for life and activity, able to apply this knowledge in practice;
socially active, respecting the law and the rule of law, commensurate their actions with moral values, aware of their responsibilities to family, society, Fatherland;
respecting other people, able to conduct a constructive dialogue, achieve mutual understanding, cooperate to achieve common results;
consciously adhering to the rules of a healthy and environmentally sound lifestyle that is safe for humans and its environment;
based in the world of professions, understanding the importance of professional activity for a person in the interests of the sustainable development of society and nature.


Briefly about the modern educational strategy ...As you can see, everything is more than constructive. They even mentioned creativity, praising the statement of educational guru Fursenko ... On the threshold of the school, waving her hand in farewell, there must be a truly ideal graduate who knows the purpose in life, respects other people, honors traditions, recognizes the importance of education, work, science and creativity ...

Further, in the Federal State Educational Standard, 100500 points, which state that a modern Russian graduate is generally unique with formed mathematical, physical, geographical, literary and other types of thinking, able to operate with symbolic languages ​​and interpret the results .

It would seem that pure idealization and utopia, which in modern realities, God forgive me, the Bologna system and the EHE of the whole country looks absurd. However, f is not idealization, the Ministry of Education and Science tells us all. This is the standard! That is, a graduate of a school must possess, by definition, the kind of thinking that is unique with all the officials recalled. And do not care that such a single person has one hour of the same physics a week, but he, you know, must have physical thinking and (extract from GEF) “An understanding of the physical fundamentals and principles of operation (work) of machines and mechanisms, vehicles and communications, household appliances, industrial technological processes, their influence on the environment; awareness of the possible causes of technological and environmental disasters; gaining experience in applying scientific methods of knowledge, observation of physical phenomena, conducting experiments, simple experimental studies, direct and indirect measurements using analog and digital measuring devices; understanding of the inevitability of errors of any measurements ".

It can be seen that the child prodigy graduate (and so, as the standard says, every young consumer must be on paper) must understand the inevitability of errors of any measurements, and officials from the educational system, judging by everything, do not recognize any errors of their own work. Well, what kind of, sorry, mathematical and physical thinking is being discussed now, when instead of the systematic transfer of knowledge and skills, a pseudo-educational mess is exploited. For only one secondary school, hundreds of textbooks and study guides, which sometimes publish mutually exclusive theses (primarily speaking about the humanities), are “approved” by the bureaucratic apparatus.

This mess with textbooks has repeatedly been the subject of discussion. From the lips of President Vladimir Putin sounded the words about the need to create a single textbook (for a start) stories. However, in the autumn of the past year (2015), the government rejected the Yarovaya-Nikonov bill, which spoke about the concept of a single line of textbooks. The Cabinet said that a single textbook, you see, violates the principle of variation in education. But if so, then what, I'm sorry, why the hell did government officials enter in stormy long standing ovations when Vladimir Putin offered to introduce the mentioned single history textbook for Russian schools. That is, before the eyes of the president, they sweaty in their sweaty palms, and then the initiative was lowered on the brakes, without particularly betraying the result to the public. Hypocrisy? It turns out that it is the most ...

And is it not hypocrisy to publish the pretentious GEF, which refers to the “standard wizardkind graduate” against the background of the monstrous decline in the level of education and the growth of the level of powerlessness of the teacher ... Against the background of all the same statements about the “qualified consumer” ... Is it not a hypocrisy to improve the final statistics by not growing the quality of schoolchildren’s knowledge on the basis of an adequate standardization that meets real public and state demands, and a lowering of the “satisfactory” score? As you know, you can adjust anything to positive statistics, but will such statistics give impetus to our engineers in the future creating their own projects, rather than being content with projects purchased abroad (if sanctions allow ...)? ... They made their own competitive product, rather than puzzled over which country is now more profitable to be friends with in order to borrow the necessary products from it.

So far, all reform activities have been reduced to ensure that, at any inspection by a higher authority, all the papers of the director, the head teachers and the ordinary teachers are, as they say, in order. And in order - it is, according to modern norms, how? And this is so that the higher the stack of papers, the more “professional” the teacher would be ... The more he “drew” fours and fives, even if there is nothing to draw, the better - a) for personal statistics, b) for ministry reporting .

As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...
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  1. +10
    12 January 2016 06: 13
    when Vladimir Putin proposed introducing the aforementioned unified history textbook for Russian schools. That is, in front of the president’s eyes they patted him in sweaty hands, and then they lowered the initiative on the brakes, not publicizing the result. Hypocrisy?

    No, understanding that this is his ordinary blah blah blah ... He said a lot of things.
    1. +117
      12 January 2016 06: 32
      The Minister of Education and Science of Russia Livanov said that his department rejected the idea of ​​introducing a single history textbook in Russian schools - instead, a single historical and cultural standard will be developed that will become the basis for the development of textbooks.
      Those. the practice of different textbooks with the erosion of historical facts will continue.

      Published by Moscow State University Professor Alexander Vdovin in collaboration with Professor Alexander Barsenkov, the book History of Russia. 1917 – 2004 ”caused a stormy negative reaction in the United States, as well as in certain circles of the Russian intelligentsia.
      The baton of Americans was immediately picked up by TV presenter and member of the Public Chamber N. Svanidze and director of the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights for Interethnic Relations, Alexander Brod. Svanidze, on behalf of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, demanded that the book of Vdovin and Barsenkov be banned as “extremist,” and Brod put it “in a row of xenophobic literature of recent years.”
      The case of Vdovin on the ORT channel "Business of Principle":
      - Z. Svetova (journalist of The New times, with her article the campaign of persecution of A.I. Vdovin started): "Professors, authors of the textbook should be prohibited from teaching, the textbook should be removed from the teaching system"
      - Musaev (Chechen lawyer): "I was instructed by my client to study this textbook for the presence of inciting ethnic hatred there. ... Yes, the textbook contains incitement to ethnic hatred."
      - V. Solovey: "... Vdovin is being persecuted only because he wrote his textbook from the point of view of the interests of the Russian people, hence the accusations of inciting ethnic hatred and anti-Semitism."

      During the transfer, the masks were dropped, the opposite side clearly stated that the Russians had no right to their history. In general, the racist background of this case was clearly visible. Chechens, Jews have the right to defend their national interests, Russians do not. Well done, K. Zatulin, clearly brought both Svetova and, especially, Diskin to clean water.

      A people without history is not a nation. Axima of sociology. THEY KNOW THIS.
      1. +32
        12 January 2016 06: 50
        Of course, our Ukrainian "partners" also started with textbooks (guess who wrote them), a whole generation has brains on Gilyak.
        1. +19
          12 January 2016 16: 25
          All these "reformers" should be put up against the wall! Otherwise, nothing will change ...
          The son of teachers himself, and I see how today those who have the opportunity to pay for a tutor, only they can give a more or less worthy, school education, I'm not talking about higher education, where there is nothing to do without money !!!
          ps And the most important thing is that parents are absolutely helpless, like teachers, and nothing depends on them !!! - and there is no way to influence the development of events ... !!!!!!!
          Therefore, there is only one way out, the execution of the traitors of the Motherland, and in all spheres of the country's life, the more people know these traitors by name !!!!!!!
          1. +3
            13 January 2016 17: 52
            You know, I set a minus, and not because I don’t agree, just a turn for agreeing, because my finger doesn’t flinch on the trigger, because hatred of all kinds of liberals and lovers of our country is already going through the roof. Minus for the fact that the easiest way does not mean the most correct. No, you don’t need to shoot, you don’t need to make martyrs out of them, and then fan the fire to such an extent that they cut down the WHOLE forest and the people will be in place of chips. There is no need to bring the situation in the country to such a state when they themselves either start firing or flee to London city to such a mother.
            Already today, these bastards are starting to rock the country, here both PLATO and games at exchange rates (few know that experts estimate the real ruble rate in dollars as 23 to 1) and few think what battles are in the upper echelons, because we all nod on the First, but He just wages the main struggle with them, an example is the story of Serdyukov and his women. Everything was literally everything, bought from us and from them, and no one even noticed that it was during his service that the green men appeared, and the new weapons and, in fact, the new army, which was headed by the best minister at X-hour.
            So, hands will reach our education, albeit not by a direct but exclusively Byzantine way, but they will reach. (at least I believe it)
      2. +37
        12 January 2016 07: 06
        However, in the fall of the past (2015), the government rejected the Yarovoy-Nikonov bill, which spoke about the concept of a single line of textbooks. The Cabinet said that a single textbook, you see, violates the principle of variability of education.

        Different textbooks are cretinism !! Children (with marks 4 and 5) come to the school for testing from the disbanding physical-mat school and fail on tests !! And why? Yes, different programs and educational literature.
        The child is now in the 7th grade - the textbooks have more or less become informational, but the textbooks in the 5th-6th grade were something ... You open the paragraph, but there are only questions in it and you can’t find a single answer .., only a search on the Internet helped.
        Constantly parents asked questions - what kind of "@@" "were they compiled textbooks of history, society ... in which there are no answers to the questions asked? And why such textbooks WERE IMPOSED FROM TOP?
        1. +39
          12 January 2016 07: 55
          I liked the photo for the article - with a subtle critical hint.
          Modern Russian education - up ... (ass). The leaders of the Security Council of the Russian Federation also think not with their heads, but ... And this is still mildly said.
          I’m tired of constantly talking about the interests of the West in the collapse of Russian education and science.
          1. +10
            12 January 2016 11: 29
            Quote: Tatiana
            Modern Russian education - up ... (ass). The leaders of the Security Council of the Russian Federation also think not with their heads, but ... And this is still mildly said.

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            I already see where this "education" leads when looking for a job. All around young "entrepreneurs". Everyone tells me that at their work "you have to run constantly and you will go crazy." I even hesitate to ask: "Have you tried to plan your work? Find bottlenecks and prepare for them in advance." But apparently they are generally far from such things. They somehow "won" a tender or received an order, got some loot, then how it goes. And this is with any activity that they are engaged in.
            1. GDP
              +29
              12 January 2016 12: 14
              I’ve been working for 12 years in the field of higher and secondary specialized education ... It is impossible to talk about what our Min Obr does without a mat.
              1 - Every year, graduates are prepared weaker and weaker, and this despite the fact that the salaries of teachers have significantly exceeded the salaries of candidates for doctoral degrees! (There is no such thing anywhere in the world! So that a person graduating from something like an institute would receive more than a Ph.D. (8 years of training and serious financial and moral expenses))!

              Only here there are no results from this ... As there were requisitions at school, they remained, and the quality of teaching only worsened.
              That is, the devastation in the head begins with school and further determines the quality of training at all levels of education!

              Teachers became indifferent to students, for the most part without a spark in the eyes. Everything is displayed on the shoulders of parents who either do not have time or money for tutors. The teacher is not trying to bring to the mind of the student, even the first grader! For example, we had to hire two tutors for our 3 class child and spend up to 4 hours a day on our own.

              Textbooks - Sometimes we ourselves cannot understand the task that our children require in textbooks, often the tasks are formulated so that they can be understood in two ways. Most textbooks are written in such a way that skipping something in the lesson is no longer possible to independently study the material.

              Programs - overloaded. Min Obr is trying to cram into the heads of children - not crammed and fit all into one standard without taking into account individual characteristics.

              many реформи in universities are aimed at knocking out money. I did not have time to redo all the documentation in one year. In the following, the requirements change again, as a result, the work of teachers is reduced to constant rewriting of paper, less and less time is left for the introduction of new teaching methods and science ...
              So, for example, I had to redo a lot of documents and websites due to the fact that MIN OBR decided to replace the word - an applicant with applicants, etc. ...

              The Min Obra officials themselves carry out the reforms in exactly the same way as teachers of children teach in schools - that is, they give instructions on how they will not give a damn. For example, an order is issued to establish systems for protection against inappropriate content.
              But the list of banned sites is not issued, there is no indication of free programs that exist. Due to the fact that one official is not able to scratch his ass and spend a couple of hours linking to software and attaching a list of banned sites, tens of thousands of people across the country have to spend their time and money ....
              1. GDP
                +12
                12 January 2016 12: 32
                The activities of the Ministry of Education can be characterized by the following words - indifference, incompetence and a complete separation from reality
                It seems that the Ministry of Education and education itself live in completely different worlds.
                1. +13
                  12 January 2016 19: 33
                  If this is a respected one, and you do not think that this is just sabotage. Someone earns himself a comfortable life in Londongrad or Florida. Remember this "minister" Kozyrev or Koch and Chubais and his comrades. I have been teaching at a higher school since the 90s, but we have now reached such delirium in higher education that we can only talk about deliberate betrayal and sabotage, and this is the main danger for Russia.
                  1. +3
                    12 January 2016 22: 32
                    Quote: tank64rus
                    If this is a respected one, and you do not think that this is just sabotage. Someone earns himself a comfortable life in Londongrad or Florida. Remember this "minister" Kozyrev or Koch and Chubais and his comrades. I have been teaching at a higher school since the 90s, but we have now reached such delirium in higher education that we can only talk about deliberate betrayal and sabotage, and this is the main danger for Russia.

                    Do you know what was the first decree signed by wrecker No. 1 Yeltsin? This is a decree "On priority measures for the development of education in the RSFSR." The education system is the heart of our state. These creatures know perfectly well where to hit. The conclusion here is unequivocal: the entire Ministry of Education should be sent to cut ice into cubes near Magadan under the article "CHANGE OF THE HOMELAND" (if there is one). Otherwise, things will not get off the ground. There are people from the State Department in this ministry, let it be better to sit in another place.
                2. +3
                  12 January 2016 19: 33
                  If this is a respected one, and you do not think that this is just sabotage. Someone earns himself a comfortable life in Londongrad or Florida. Remember this "minister" Kozyrev or Koch and Chubais and his comrades. I have been teaching at a higher school since the 90s, but we have now reached such delirium in higher education that we can only talk about deliberate betrayal and sabotage, and this is the main danger for Russia.
                3. +1
                  14 January 2016 17: 30
                  Quote: GDP
                  The activities of the Ministry of Education can be characterized by the following words - indifference

                  This is not the indifference of officials from education, this is the order of the West to change the ideology of the country, which they carry out. This is a reinstallation of the training of the Creators - into consumers. The efforts and money of the USA to train our teachers will not be in vain. This is the education of nihilism among future school graduates, the denial of the history of their country. Here is a mine that will split our society in .... years.
              2. +4
                12 January 2016 12: 44
                Quote: GDP
                and this despite the fact that the salaries of teachers significantly exceeded the salaries of candidates for a doctor of science! (There is no such thing anywhere in the world! So that a person who graduated as an institute would receive more than a Ph.D. (8 years of study and serious financial and moral expenses))!

                Does a candidate and a doctor of science receive only 10000 rubles? The wife of a teacher 1k, receives from 15 to 17t.r. - despite the fact that the utility costs up to 10 thousand. Did the teacher get rich?
                Quote: GDP
                Most textbooks are written in such a way that skipping something in the lesson is no longer possible to independently study the material.

                That's right!
                Quote: GDP
                As a result, the work of teachers is reduced to constant rewriting of paper, less and less time is left for the introduction of new teaching methods and science ...

                Well, a wife with reports sometimes spent several nights in a row until 3 nights.
                1. GDP
                  +7
                  12 January 2016 13: 16
                  The salary of a teacher at school depends on the length of service. An experienced teacher with us receives approximately 15-22 000 rubles. (In other regions up to 83 000р) Country average is 32000 rubles.
                  Candidates for Doctors of Sciences at our university receive an average of somewhere 14 - 16000 p.
                  In this case, the candidate does not study 5, but 8 years. Not every graduate is able to complete graduate school and defend a candidate.
                  A school teacher teaches the same discipline every year. A university teacher teaches several disciplines that are constantly changing + he is also obliged to engage in science and methodological work.

                  I taught at school and I have something to compare. When I go to a lesson at school I absolutely do not need to get ready for class - I already know everything by heart ... When I go to read a couple at the institute I need constant preparation, almost every day ...
                  1. +5
                    12 January 2016 14: 04
                    Quote: GDP
                    (In other regions, up to 83 rubles) The national average is 000 rubles.

                    To know where and who has such salaries. 5 years ago, our city education minister was going to sue the newspaper for the fact that they revealed her salary of 400 thousand rubles
                  2. +2
                    12 January 2016 14: 28
                    Quote: GDP
                    The salary of a teacher at school depends on the length of service. An experienced teacher with us receives approximately 15-22 000 rubles. (In other regions up to 83 000р) Country average is 32000 rubles.

                    You do not have an hour with any storytellers relative? I have a familiar rural teacher of the highest category of 15000 p. receives with an experience of more than 30 years.
                    1. GDP
                      +1
                      12 January 2016 16: 28
                      Average salary of school teachers in the country for the 2015 year:
                      http://businessplace.info/178-zarplata-uchiteley.html

                      Yamalo-Nenets Aut. District 76 / 449
                      Moscow region 37 602
                      Stavropol Territory 21 487 (this is where we live)
                      (They say lies about 15-20%) actually somewhere 17-18000
                      Republic of Dagestan 18 505
                      1. -1
                        14 January 2016 14: 24
                        salary should be number two in the education dispute. In what other profession will the employee explain his professional failure as a bad salary? All of recent years we hear this only from teachers and doctors. Although I am for everyone to have a decent income and a decent life. Exactly what you deserve. But in fact, not always worthy (in any profession) receive a decent salary.
                      2. 0
                        14 January 2016 23: 29
                        Quote: GDP
                        Average salary of school teachers in the country for the 2015 year:

                        You are just an amazing romantic laughing
                        If you yourself write that
                        Quote: GDP
                        (They say lies about 15-20%) actually somewhere 17-18000
                        why do you think you don’t lie about other places?
                        The very notion of AVERAGE suggests that most teachers are paid less - because it counts as SECONDARY IN EDUCATION, not among teachers. Estimate how much functionaries receive in various educational institutions (of which there are 5 times more of them than during the Soviet Union!), And think how much teachers should receive in order to "average" the desired figure?
                        In the Central Federal District, by the way, on average 32, it was a couple of months ago .. I would not mind at all that my wife (she, by the way, also the head teacher) would get such a salary.
                        Who would consider the average for schools excluding the salary of administration (in large schools it is much higher than that of a teacher)? Then there would be something objective.
                  3. +6
                    12 January 2016 14: 32
                    Quote: GDP
                    The salary of a teacher at school depends on the length of service. An experienced teacher receives approximately 15-20 000 rubles.
                    Do not hang noodles for people, dear. It is quite clear that you work in a "tower", or (rather) as an education official, and feed on myths about how "cool" teachers make money! To get 18 thousand, his wife’s colleague is an elementary school teacher, but with 25 years of experience, adored by children and one of the best in the city for many years, she is forced to drag a class of 32 (!) Spin-nosed people, plus keep an extension! This is already with all possible allowances, for length of service, cl. manual (+ 200 rubles per month!), category! And you call this "zazhralis" ?! Have you ever tried to work not with a group of students, a priori interested in learning - but with a class of adolescents in puberty ?! WHICH YOUR TRAINING PROGRAM IS BEFORE ... ONE PLACE! And you MUST teach them how you want! You can neither punish nor force your parents to monitor the child - you do not have such legal rights!
                    And all this is the initiative of the Ministry of Education, which for some reason believed that only children needed to protect the Law - the teachers themselves were to blame for all the troubles.
                    Yes, here you are writing
                    Quote: GDP
                    I taught at school and I have something to compare.
                    I have a strong suspicion that it happened 10 years ago, when the "Soviet" attitude towards learning had not yet completely survived, and the children, at the very least, were learning. The famous "2100" had not yet spread, the Federal State Educational Standards were only in the State Department's plans, and the Unified State Exam was still modestly called an "experimental test examination test" (unofficially, since at first it was one of the options "whatever the child is amused with"). I have been observing the evolutionary degradation of the school for 18 years, and I see no reason to reject the material in the article. Moreover, I believe that the article is written rather "softly". In particular, it only indirectly says about the bureaucratic "weight" that is heaped on the same teachers: if your "candidate for doctor" is imposed at least half (!) Of the volume of reporting and other rubbish that teachers are forced to draw up - he (the candidate) will never become a doctor. Once he will be engaged in science.
                    Quote: GDP
                    When I go to a lesson at school I absolutely do not need to prepare for a lesson - I already know everything by heart ...
                    You forgot one thing: the task of such a teacher is not to give a lecture, not always taking special care of the result, but to LOB the knowledge of your subject into an often empty head, which DOES NOT WANT to study this subject wassat ..by the way: what - university textbooks change so much from year to year?
                    No, sir: I still have big doubts about your school experience. By the way: if everything is good there, money and simply - why did you go to college?
                    And do not tell me at the same time where do poor candidates get new cars from? Sufficiently expensive clothes? Mobiles the size of a shovel, with the cost of a country house? Summer holidays in foreign countries? I don’t take all kinds of MNSs in research institutes - those in torn trousers both walked and continue. And here university teachers - this is a separate "song".
                    1. GDP
                      +4
                      12 January 2016 16: 48
                      You forgot one thing: the task of such a teacher is not to give a lecture, not always taking special care of the result, but to LOB the knowledge of your subject into an often empty head, which DOES NOT WANT to study this subject

                      That the school is at the university - the situation does not change, and here and here, with rare exceptions, they do not want to study, and here and there we grind into empty heads and tremble nerves ...
                      The difference lies in the fact that at least parents can be called up at school, and at the university, college, even these levers of influence are absent ....
                      By the way: what - university textbooks change so much from year to year?
                      It’s not that the textbooks are changing, but
                      firstly
                      the fact is that we are obliged to teach at the university a level of more complex material than at school (therefore, one or two textbooks cannot be limited)
                      And secondly
                      You have to teach not one, but several subjects at once. For example, I teach Natural History, Geography, Nature Management, Information Technology, Pedagogy, Computer Graphics, Web Design, World Information Resources, etc. ... Each year, the list of subjects changes depending on how the load is redistributed.

                      where do poor candidates get new cars from?

                      Fair! I have no idea :) Every second teacher has a foreign car, and I go on foot to save money on minibuses ... It's embarrassing to take bribes, and they don’t offer ... Maybe rich husbands buy cars for them?

                      My colleague in the department bought Ford, and the deputy director of advertising - Merce, But they are both retired military (that is, receive a pension) + 1 is engaged in repair and decoration, and the second is involved in election campaigns ...
                      1. +2
                        12 January 2016 17: 41
                        If I could, I would support more than one plus point. It’s bitter to read all this. And it hurts for me.
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                      3. 0
                        13 January 2016 08: 26
                        Quote: GDP
                        The difference is that at least parents can be called to school,

                        When I was at university (a year after school), the teachers successfully worked with their parents (group curator). If you are interested in both, the third lol
                        As for today, yes, you can call the parents of the student. TO MAKE something to be done - NO. Sometimes THIS comes there, which is immediately clear - this is a "weight", if you cannot directly tune the student to study - that's all, you just have to drag this "weight" to the 8th grade, and - get off to school. Because it is useless to bring it to the GIA - it will not hand over. And this is again a headache for the school.
                        Quote: GDP
                        more complex material than at school (so one or two textbooks cannot be limited)
                        You see, that's how it is - only at school has its own troubles on this topic: textbooks change, and additional tasks, and the amount of material. And, given that a significant part of the educational process is carried out for "self-training", the teacher also "digs" the Internet in order to have time to read what children SHOULD FIND, correlate it with their knowledge "HOW IT IS CORRECT", sort out the mistakes made on the Internet - and then discuss it during the lesson! So "I know by heart" won't work today hi
                        Quote: GDP
                        You have to teach not one, but several subjects at once.
                        And here you, Vladimir, sign in providing students with a low-quality education.
                        Though you are seven spans in the forehead - to become a specialist in EVERY of the topics listed by you will fail, which means that your students receive less knowledge, even if they have a desire to learn. I understand why teachers do this: you have to earn money, and funding depends on the number of students, and not on the quality of trained specialists. Therefore, reductions, redistribution of subjects, several rates "in combination" - or even several universities, between which the teacher rushes. THE ESSENCE IS ONE: thanks to the "efforts" of the state to reform the education system, the quality of training specialists is steadily declining! .. Contrary to the cheerful statements of "talking heads" about "improving results."
                        Quote: GDP
                        It’s a shame to take bribes, and they don’t offer ...

                        laughing So SHAME - or simply DO NOT OFFER ?!
                        I hope that this is precisely the first. hi
                        Quote: GDP
                        + 1st is engaged in repair and decoration,
                        I think now he will "move out" in terms of living standards. "Renovation and finishing" appeared all over Russia .. well, in Moscow, perhaps, people are stirring.
                        I’m not out of sympathy, and not for the sake of mocking your colleague - by the way, I had to, because I myself am in the subject.
                      4. GDP
                        0
                        13 January 2016 10: 37
                        And here you, Vladimir, sign in providing students with a low-quality education.

                        Nothing like all subjects within the framework of the specialties I studied.

                        Natural science, geography, nature management, geoinformatics - this is 1 higher education.
                        Information Technology, Computer Graphics, Web Design - 2 Higher Education
                        - Psychology, pedagogy, culture of social work - the third ...

                        In fact, I have three higher educations, a graduate school and a candidate ...

                        But one thing you correctly noticed - if I had the opportunity to go in one direction, and so you have to get out ... I teach normally, but I could better, the damage is done to science. In fact, my scientific activity came to naught, as a scientist I just became 0, now I'm just a teacher.

                        Although all these items are very interesting.
                      5. 0
                        14 January 2016 23: 17
                        Quote: GDP
                        all subjects within the framework of the specialties I studied.

                        I didn't put it quite accurately: you said that subjects are redistributed between teachers, and each one leads several disciplines. I doubt everyone is as professionally unique as you are - in any case, this kind of "optimization" of teaching does not improve its quality. Geography, nature management - yes, these are subjects of one direction. But what about calculus, chemistry and thermodynamics, for example? It seems that mathematics is everywhere .. but the difference is already more significant. But they teach, and not in such combinations! FOR WHAT? For the sake of making money. Does the country need such "generalists"? I don’t think so. You yourself say that, having three higher,
                        Quote: GDP
                        as a scientist, I became just 0, now I'm just a teacher.
                        Having no opportunity for development, the head turns into an archive with old records. Does the quality of education suffer from this? Of course. Especially if the teacher’s goal is to earn money - not the quality of students' training (not about you, I hope hi ).
                        Well, the saddest thing in the end:
                        Quote: GDP
                        all of these items are very interesting.

                        FOR WHOM? .. I do not argue about whether they are interesting, as an object - interesting, indisputable. Question: How many students are really interested in studying them? Do many people really like their specialization? Is the very thought of future work causing excitement and heartbeat? .. If you have a lot of these, you can only be glad. Personally, based on the information that I have, there are no reasons for joy. And this is a huge problem of the System.
                      6. GDP
                        +1
                        15 January 2016 10: 29
                        Having no opportunity for development, the head turns into an archive with old records. Does the quality of education suffer from this? Certainly

                        In my opinion, not so much the quality of education suffers from this as science, this is in my case ...
                        A young teacher who does not have much experience will suffer the quality of education.

                        Is the very thought of future work causing excitement and heartbeat? .. If you have a lot of these, you can only be glad. Personally, based on the information that I have, there are no reasons for joy. And this is a huge problem of the System.

                        My subjects are such that at 40% of classes I manage to keep the active interest of the audience, but 1 of 10 people really seriously engage. The point is not that it is not possible to interest, but that students have become terribly lazy and irresponsible. But their self-conceit CSO what!
                        Reasons - 1 - Internet, used to getting everything ready-made, used to watching movies, not reading books.
                        2 - do not know how to work independently
                        3 - the teacher has no real leverage on the student
                        4 - For really needed items, the number of hours per hour is reduced to those without which you can do - very significantly.
                        5 - The program is overloaded with materials that do not have real practical value in the future professional activities of students
                        etc...
                      7. 0
                        16 January 2016 11: 10
                        Quote: GDP
                        Reasons - 1 - Internet, used to getting everything ready-made, used to watching movies, not reading books.
                        2 - do not know how to work independently
                        3 - the teacher has no real leverage on the student
                        4 - For really needed items, the number of hours per hour is reduced to those without which you can do - very significantly.
                        5 - The program is overloaded with materials that do not have real practical value in the future professional activities of students
                        etc...

                        On the question of school teachers: EVERYTHING IS EXACTLY THE SAME. Plus the complete unwillingness of parents to participate in the education and upbringing of the child: "SCHOOL SHOULD!" ..
                        Regarding the reduction of hours: my wife teaches just geography .. 1 (!!!) hour a week! He says, no matter how you explain, you have to remember something at the next lesson "from scratch" - children simply forget the material in a week! ..
                  4. +3
                    12 January 2016 16: 02
                    Quote: GDP
                    The national average is 32000 rubles.

                    By the way .. the average salary for education is considered together with universities - so blame yourself for the "beggarly earnings" of candidates.
                    A teacher's salary does not depend on length of service, but on teaching hours. For seniority, the allowances are ridiculous - 200-300 rubles each - and practically do not affect the overall figures. And those teachers who earn 30 thousand, work "for wear and tear", in two shifts daily to gain more hours! How do you think: QUALITY of teaching from this improves?
                    1. +4
                      12 January 2016 17: 59
                      Quote: avia1991
                      And those teachers who earn 30 thousand, work "for wear and tear", in two shifts a day to gain more hours!

                      I will support you. His wife is a primary school teacher, with just such a salary. Works in two shifts. Additionally, he teaches the course "Don Territory" He leaves for work at 07.00, does not come from work before 17.00, and then check the notebooks until 21.00. Plus, as you indicated, all sorts of reports, electronic diaries, etc. And apparently you are right about your opponent - I'm a candidate of sciences! Self-esteem is overestimated and there is a complete lack of understanding of work at school. Parents can be called to school. What's the point? At the university, the student does not pull - under the ass with a broom and adieu. At school, it is practically impossible to expel a student.
                      ps The only thing I agree with your opponent is that their salaries are really ridiculous, but this is not a reason to bully teachers who have "somehow graduated" from the university.
                      1. +4
                        12 January 2016 19: 30
                        Quote: Rostov
                        Self-esteem is overestimated and there is a complete lack of understanding of work at school. Parents supposedly can be called to school. What's the point? At the university, the student does not pull - under the ass a broom and an adyu. At school, it’s almost impossible to expel a student.

                        This is your personal speculation.
                        Last year, my daughter was a curator at the Polytechnic and held several parent meetings. If Adyu and Broom are 12 students in the priest, then you reduce the teacher's rate. As a result, all universities have adopted amendments to the charter so that students are reduced once a year. They mess with everyone like with a written bag, they expel only outright boors and who does not appear at all.
                        In general, my country will not be considered independent until we have our central bank and return to normal Soviet education.
                        I believe that officials from the Ministry of Education and Science should be judged, if there is no article, then condemnation by the whole society as a TRAITOR.
                        26 years of experience at the university. Head Chair on mehmat.
                        PS. I can tell in a joke style about the standards of 3 generations, 3+ and the expected 4.
                      2. -1
                        12 January 2016 20: 08
                        Quote: bya965
                        This is your personal speculation.

                        What are my personal speculations, if the whole head of the department writes on mehmat
                        Quote: bya965
                        If Adyu and a broom on the pope 12 students, then reduce the teacher’s bid.

                        That is, it just confirms my words about the priest and the broom and the corresponding deduction of the loafer. But since the same head of the department writes that
                        Quote: bya965
                        If Adyu and Broom have 12 students in their priests, then reduce the teacher’s rate.
                        it turns out that having the ability to expel the negligent, they do not want to use this opportunity, so the rate is reduced! And in order to limit too principled teachers, they cranked up such a perdimonocle
                        Quote: bya965
                        As a result, all universities have adopted amendments to the charter, so that students reduce once a year

                        And of course, someone at the Ministry of Education is to blame for this, and not universities that have adapted their charters to their needs, that is, pockets.
                        Quote: bya965
                        I believe that officials from the Ministry of Education and Science should be judged, if there is no article, then condemnation by the whole society as a TRAITOR

                        But I completely agree with this, only the RANOVs seem to be not quite officials, they have weight and influence, but for some reason you don’t mention them. Forgot about them?
                      3. 0
                        13 January 2016 09: 08
                        Quote: bya965
                        cut the teacher’s bid. As a result, all universities have adopted amendments to the charter, so that students reduce once a year
                        And what is the result? "NEDOspecialists" come to work, and then the ships do not go, planes fall, and appendicitis instead of tonsils is removed .. through the anus. AND WHY IS IT BETTER?
                        It turns out that universities spat on the quality of education, for the sake of maintaining their own pockets! And in the Ministry of Education they look: "Oh - monetization is working, everything is in order!" And the snowball rolled ...
                        Quote: bya965
                        In general, my country will not be considered independent until we have our central bank and return to normal Soviet education.
                        Well, it's hard to argue with that .. at least I won’t hi
                      4. +1
                        13 January 2016 12: 57
                        Well, many judge the problem superficially. After school, we at least make people out of them and from intelligent specialists.

                        And also, if you study at school + 4 years of undergraduate + 2 years of master's program + 3 years of graduate school (now in graduate school they just go to classes, like at school) = then it will be possible to work as an assistant at the university and get 8 thousand salary, and even if for full bid. There are no fools even among fools.
                        And so we kicked out 12 blockheads, cut the teacher for 50-60 years. Then better students appeared. Who will teach them? Papo Carlo, or what?
                      5. 0
                        13 January 2016 09: 01
                        Quote: Rostov
                        Self-esteem is overestimated and there is a complete lack of understanding of work at school.

                        I don’t think that self-esteem is overrated here. It’s just that a person from the school system has long gone, and does not know the realities. And about the salary - well .. it’s clear that it’s a shame, being a scientist, and a specialist of a rather high level (I hope that so wink ), receive a "funny" salary. The only strange thing is that he does not understand HOW the "average for the country" (for the region) figure is displayed.
                        Quote: Rostov
                        At school, it’s almost impossible to expel a student
                        Our law is so "smart", EVERYONE has the right to secondary education. But they forgot about the responsibility of parents, and they generally do not want to participate in the education of their children: "the school SHOULD!" It comes to a ridiculous point: the police detain the child for petty theft .. "It's the school's fault!" - screams the mother: "They completely ruined the child!" And she herself - "there is nowhere to put the brand."
                      6. GDP
                        +3
                        13 January 2016 10: 24
                        Our law is so "smart", EVERYONE has the right to secondary education. But they forgot about the responsibility of parents, and they generally do not want to participate in the education of their children:

                        I can not agree with you ....
                        I give an example:
                        My daughter in the second grade started having problems with English (2100 program). I began to regularly study English with my child for two to three hours a day. The textbooks are terrible - not a damn thing is clear (this is nonsense, but it seems that the textbook is written for those who already speak English (as if for a student in an English school of first grade)) tried to reach the teacher to tell me about the preparation of the child, I just I can not find...
                        I have never seen my daughter in school learn anything new on this subject, well, at least I learned one word, and they already require reading, translation, understanding of speech in the second grade ... there is zero knowledge. The teacher doesn’t give a damn about the situation ... All that my daughter learned was the two of us who studied with her ...
                        I talked with all of them about their parents. Almost everyone hires tutors for their children and does their homework every day, because the children themselves cannot do anything. And this is the second class !!! These are little children!
                        The question is - what do teachers get money for? To be taught by parents and tutors?
                        When in the Soviet school I had problems in one or another lesson, they left me after classes and hammered into my head what I did not understand in the lesson, they dragged me, tormented my nerves. Now there is nothing like that ...
                        Knowledge requirements oh what! And knowledge itself does not really give ...

                        Why are parents forced to hire tutors and spend all their free time on the child’s homework, which, in theory, he should be able to do himself? I note - not one, two people in the class, but the vast majority!

                        I understand if we were talking about a child, let's say - 7-th or even 4-th class. But not the first - the second! Then I'm sorry, the child came as a blank sheet of paper ...
                      7. +1
                        14 January 2016 14: 35
                        I completely agree with you. From elementary school, many hire tutors for their children and do homework with the child. I have a higher education and studied well at school, but I read the current textbooks with difficulty. Sometimes you need to read several times to understand the text. When I listen to the requirements for the exam, I doubt that I would have passed it. When you go to the teacher or (even!) To the director with a question and a request: help, the child is behind in the subject, and what is the matter? Answer: hire a tutor, and they themselves recommend each other. I don’t want to blame everyone for everything, there are enough good teachers and stupid students in the school. But the education system raises big questions.
                    2. +1
                      12 January 2016 19: 13
                      Quote: avia1991
                      How do you think: QUALITY of teaching from this improves?

                      Dialectics not according to Hegel - an increase in the volume of hours of such "teaching" directly correlates with a decrease in its quality. 2nd law as applied to our education reform.
                  5. 0
                    12 January 2016 21: 55
                    There is a candidate of science, there is a doctor of science. But there are no candidates for a doctor of science.))
                    1. +1
                      12 January 2016 22: 23
                      What is the minus? Am I wrong? This is a fact: in the Russian Federation and some other countries there are two levels of academic degrees: candidate of science and doctor of science.
                      1. GDP
                        0
                        13 January 2016 11: 11
                        There is a candidate of science, there is a doctor of science. But there are no candidates for a doctor of science.))

                        Good :) If not a Ph.D., then answer lol
              3. +2
                12 January 2016 16: 05
                GDP --- you're lying dear, without a twinge of conscience: an elementary school teacher coming to school from a pedagogical college receives a salary of about 3300 rubles, graduating from university-4916 rubles, working at 2 rates, with classroom management, etc. for 12 thousand. rubles. yes, and in any way the salary doesn’t depend practically: 25 years, + 500 rubles. And the categories give a little: 1st - 5697, the highest - 6145. Here and count.
                1. +6
                  12 January 2016 23: 26
                  Quote: teascher
                  GDP --- you're lying dear, without a twinge of conscience: an elementary school teacher coming to school from a pedagogical college receives a salary of about 3300 rubles, graduating from university-4916 rubles, working at 2 rates, with classroom management, etc. for 12 thousand. rubles. yes, and in any way the salary doesn’t depend practically: 25 years, + 500 rubles. And the categories give a little: 1st - 5697, the highest - 6145. Here and count.

                  A terribly sad conversation is going on in the discussion ...
                  Even teachers write, not following the rules of punctuation, and teachers demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the simplest logical constructions, do not feel the difference between a specific example and calculated average indicators.
                  If a particular teacher receives a salary in her place from 3 to 12 thousand, it does not follow that the average salary values ​​called by GDP are incorrect !!!
                  We type in the search engine a request and see the official numbers (http://businessplace.info/178-zarplata-uchiteley.html, nr):
                  most of the regions of indigenous Russia - about 20 thousand. Pskov - 20t.r., Ryazan 23 t.r. But Moscow - 58, Peter - 40. And in Chukotka, yes, 75.
                  When calculating the average teacher’s salary, not only the salaries of primary school teachers, but also graduation classes and, what is especially valuable, the salaries of the directors of all the above, are considered.
                  In any decent statistics textbook, there is always a comment that the average value is never informative to describe processes with a large spread. And if the statistics really wanted to inform us, then, in addition to the average value, the scatter figures would necessarily lead (standard deviation). And so ...
                  five teachers with a salary of 12 thousand, a dozen with a salary of 15 thousand and a couple of bosses with a salary of a hundred. The average, however, will be 24 thousand ...
                  1. +2
                    13 January 2016 10: 02
                    Quote: Glafira
                    the average value is never informative

                    There are three kinds of lies - a small lie, a big lie and statistics.
              4. +1
                12 January 2016 17: 21
                Quote: GDP
                That is, the devastation in the head begins with school

                If we take fish for the system of state rotting reporting, then the school will be in the stomach area :-)
                1. 0
                  13 January 2016 09: 11
                  Quote: sa-ag
                  the school will be in the stomach :-)

                  I disagree, dear. School is a throat! .. On which we stepped on many years ago, and slowly "squeeze" ..
              5. +2
                13 January 2016 04: 36
                Everything goes according to a “false” plan, which is not there, but for some reason there are results!

                "The system of curbing thought is already in
                action, in the so-called visual learning system, which has
                turn gentiles into non-thinking, obedient animals awaiting visibility,
                to figure it out ... "(the true essence of the exam)
                "Protocols" http://lib.ru/POLITOLOG/AE/protokoly.txt_with-big-pictures.html
              6. 0
                13 January 2016 16: 07
                we can add that not strong children are sent to the Olympics, but someone, just to participate. These children come, sit, do not write anything or draw from boredom, and then pass empty tasks. They themselves admit that they completely do not understand the subject and they are not interested in it. And they are sent only because it is necessary.
            2. +2
              12 January 2016 12: 23
              In-in, and you yourself planned to "win" these "tenders"? If some very smart Muscovite interrupts everyone at the cost of an energy audit of the Institute of Maternity and Childhood Protection in Khabarovsk from, in my opinion, 5 specialized buildings for a little over 100 thousand and 3,5 million. And then he sends the local "lo.ham" an offer to do the job for 75 thousand. These are the plans for tenders. I'm not even talking about contractual tenders, when at best you are invited and with a guilty look they say, well, take your application, we already have our own contractor. Again, this is at best. As a result, when the money is already on hold, people have nothing to pay their salaries with, you start to stupidly participate in all competitions in a row and a moment comes when they are ALL won, but there is no strength to do it stupidly. This is not the State Planning Committee for you, but "the invisible hand of His Majesty the Market." Or, in other words, a randomizer.
            3. +3
              12 January 2016 17: 36
              Quote: Altona
              I’m even ashamed to ask: “Have you tried planning your work?

              Have you noticed that we have a lot of people on our site who are against planning? And every day more of them. My wife and I are pensioners. And if it were not for pension planning, they would not have survived.
          2. 0
            12 January 2016 17: 31
            Quote: Tatiana
            I liked the photo for the article

            I absolutely agree with your theses (and not only about photography, with everyone). I am also writing about this. But. Who can hear us? And in 20-30 years only our children will be indignant (and that is far from all).
        2. +18
          12 January 2016 08: 47
          Different textbooks are cretinism !! Children (with marks 4 and 5) come to the school for testing from the disbanding physical-mat school and fail on tests !! And why? Yes, different programs and educational literature.

          ---------
          The question arises, but what the hell did you need to change Soviet textbooks on physics and mathematics, is there that the Newton’s new law and the Pythagorean theorem ?!
          1. 0
            12 January 2016 10: 07
            Cynicism? Has anyone here tried to put in Google the translation of the names "Poroshenko" and "Fursenko"? bully
            The minister of something "golodets" is understandable and so ...
          2. +3
            12 January 2016 12: 20
            Then the authors of the new textbooks will find a fig with butter, and not a butcher with caviar. Hence the tramp with a bunch of textbooks. Everyone wants to grab their piece.
          3. +3
            12 January 2016 12: 31
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            The question arises, but what the hell did you need to change Soviet textbooks on physics and mathematics, is there that the Newton’s new law and the Pythagorean theorem ?!


            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            - Sounds dubious. No matter who and no matter how compiled the textbook, the laws of physics do not change from this. If "e = ms (square)", then it will be so forever and ever. Amen. It's the same with mathematics.


            Here you are wrong! Everything is much easier. Some topics are removed from the programs, and examples and tasks:
            - firstly - they reduce their number (the teacher has to look for and add additional tasks from the old textbooks and manuals),
            - and secondly, they greatly simplify tasks. In the classroom there are always several people whom the teacher leads - so to speak according to an individual program, gives them more complex and interesting tasks for such children. Because the complexity of the tasks in the textbook is quite low.

            Well, and one more thing, my child studied from 1st to 4th grade - let's say an "advanced" program, and when he moved to 5th, the children were not interested, because the 5th grade was essentially a repetition. And why? and elementary - just "advanced" textbooks above the 4th grade nobody wrote. There was no order - it turned out that they were not needed.

            3-4 years ago - teachers of mathematics and history, they proved to the director that it was impossible to teach children according to these textbooks and offered options for replacing other authors with textbooks, the director smiled and said that he was THERE! a paper came up from the ministry about what textbooks to order!
            THERE I think nepotism and kickbacks work in all ... whoever rolls back the most and is taught ...
            1. 0
              12 January 2016 17: 32
              Quote: Designer 1
              Because the complexity of the tasks in the textbook is quite low
              during the union there were a lot of problems in physics and mathematics with complexity from simple schools to special
          4. +4
            12 January 2016 14: 40
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Is there that Newton’s new law and the Pythagorean theorem ?!

            Here you are and hello ..
            Vladimir, why do you think the numerous relatives and friends of officials of the Ministry of Education will be fed? The publication of new textbooks is the same Klondike with Kolyma combined! And there is no need to mess around with any oil, the main thing is that there is someone to lobby "above" the new version of the "Pythagorean theorem" .. often even rewritten with errors.
            1. +1
              13 January 2016 09: 54
              I think the same bodyaga and dressing up fires in blue, military and cops, the clothes are not cheap :)
          5. +1
            12 January 2016 17: 30
            the question arises, but what the hell did you need to change Soviet textbooks in physics and mathematics, what’s there about Newton’s new law and the Pythagorean theorem ?!


            Firstly, they SOVIET !
            Secondly: to rip a coin for "composing new",
          6. 0
            12 January 2016 17: 44
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            the question arises, but to hell did you need to change Soviet textbooks in physics and mathematics

            This is a question for those who have adopted the Bologna system of non-education.
        3. +1
          12 January 2016 21: 02
          The child is now in the 7th grade - the textbooks have more or less become informational, but the textbooks in the 5th-6th grade were something ... You open the paragraph, but there are only questions in it and you can’t find a single answer .., only a search on the Internet helped.
          Constantly parents asked questions - what kind of "@@" "were they compiled textbooks of history, society ... in which there are no answers to the questions asked? And why such textbooks WERE IMPOSED FROM TOP?
          And textbooks with errors? It's generally darkness, I have often encountered this when I helped my child with lessons. When calling the teacher, she answered that there was an error or a typo, they asked a question, but can you tell the children when you give homework?
        4. 0
          13 January 2016 05: 37
          Quote: Designer 1
          but the textbooks in the 5-6 class were something ... You open a paragraph, but there are only questions in it and you can’t find a single answer .., only an Internet search helped.


          That's for sure! )))
      3. +3
        12 January 2016 15: 54
        the practice of different textbooks with erosion of historical facts will continue

        Unfortunately, textbooks these days are both politics and BUSINESS ... and very difficult (well, they feel ) someone cannot be allowed into this business (even the president’s order doesn’t help) ...

        everything could be forgiven to this government, but modern "education" is impossible !!! negative
      4. +2
        12 January 2016 17: 38
        I don’t understand why Livanov, who ignores the president’s instructions, still occupies a ministerial chair, why the history of Russia should be limited to the period 1914-2004 and not 1242-2000. During the polls, our youth and schoolchildren do not know what the ice battle is, they do not know A.V. Suvorov, Zhukov. Don't know
        when the Second World War began, such an education in our schools, and this is our story. The President speaks a lot and gives instructions, but they are ignored by officials, knowing that they will not be held responsible,
        that the president’s weakness or not desire to change something.
        1. +1
          13 January 2016 09: 20
          Quote: go21zd45few
          do not know A.V. Suvorov, Zhukov.

          But they know Borya Moiseev, Seryozha "star in shock!" and others like them. They know that there were such generals Napoleon and Bonaparte, and the first one was cooler, and Stanislavsky and Nimerovich "threw" Danchenko when dividing profits .. and that Tatiana was in love with Pushkin .. polls conducted by the teams of Mikhalkov and Zadornov, in my opinion, they show the very "objective picture" that the central media are trying so hard to "gloss over"!
          But the questions are elementary, and the answers - in the early 80s, at least - any schoolboy-twosome knew!
      5. +2
        13 January 2016 10: 04
        Only one thing, that the most zealous Russophobes like Svanidze and others like him took up arms against Vdovin, speaks of the correctness of the created manual, which actually defends our right to Russian History, which was actually stolen from us back in Peter's times by foreigners! And a gang of our enemies, including traitors and actual agents of the enemy, are trying to replace the modern history of Russia with "fairy tales" that are beneficial to them! Well, the war against the Russian people and Russia continues in all spheres and directions accessible to the West and their hangers-on!
      6. +2
        13 January 2016 19: 26
        If Svanidze criticizes the textbook, that means a good thing, it would be worth reading.
      7. 0
        14 January 2016 14: 12



        And by the way, here is the opinion of one famous leading Soloviev about the Russian people. The problem has not gone anywhere. If anyone remembered, but forgot. This look is unvarnished.
      8. 0
        14 January 2016 23: 36
        literally just in a different thread, he wrote, after dinner at the TV ... now all the mass misinformation is shouting to vomit that books are being burned in Siberia, and books published at one time under the auspices of the Soros Foundation. With textbooks, it’s true that it’s not a tourniquet, but they’ve just collected it for disposal, and in a couple of technical schools, it means that these are mainly textbooks on social and political sciences. We got to our school at the military school in the late 90s, such books that were donated by the Moscow government as humanitarian aid, and so, after reading these textbooks published in the early 90s and from which young Muscovites studied at that time, I Now I understand what funds were invested so that our children would be ashamed of their history and nation, hate the state and the very land on which they were born.
        PS The names of those scribblers still appear among the authors of the manuals, but there is no reference "with the assistance of the Soros Foundation"
    2. +4
      12 January 2016 07: 11
      Quote: Mera Joota
      when Vladimir Putin proposed introducing the aforementioned unified history textbook for Russian schools. That is, in front of the president’s eyes they patted him in sweaty hands, and then they lowered the initiative on the brakes, not publicizing the result. Hypocrisy?

      No, understanding that this is his ordinary blah blah blah ... He said a lot of things.

      But there would have been a decree, and all this sabotage (you cannot call the activity of the Min-obrazin any other way!) Would pass from the category of "hypocrisy" - it would qualify! - in the category "crime"! What, in essence, the activity of Min-obrazina is (in front of us - in all its glory ...).
      against the backdrop of a monstrous decline in the level of education and an increase in the level of disempowerment of a teacher ...
      That's what we can't agree with! not lawlessness - the teacher's irresponsibility! And there are no “tools” to bring this neo-teacher “to his senses”, to bring him - the teacher! - to this very "FGOS" ... Which of the teachers corresponds to him - at least in part? Well, remember - just like that, offhand? ... Oh, don't you remember?
      And with a teacher, education begins (and GEF if that ...)! No teacher - no standard, not to mention education!
      And teachers and pedagogy in our "separately taken" country were killed first - literally almost before the beginning of the notorious "perestroika"! ...
      1. +6
        12 January 2016 07: 32
        As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...
        The situation is not better in healthcare. It’s not a smart therapist who is sitting at the reception, and it’s impossible to get to specialized specialists at all, only if you break through with the help of special forces. It seems that the city is not small - 70000 people live - but such garbage. Saying in other places is not better. I do not want to believe it, because the president says that it should be completely different. It turns out on the ground do harm? Or is it temporary because of the crisis?
        1. +11
          12 January 2016 08: 19
          hi , Vlad.

          My city is bigger, but everything is like yours. At the reception in the clinics sit girl assistants for 15 thousand rubles (if not deprived of the award). Doctors in proliferated paid clinics and centers. And more than half can not be called doctors. For example, from bronchitis and osteoarthritis (arthrosis was discovered by chance in the fourth (!!!) circulation site), those who came on the advice of friends helped. One thing pleases me - this is temporary for me while I'm alive.

          And by education there is a good joke:
          Textbook from Fursenko and Lyavanava. How to speak and talk. Head heel. Correct "tuta", or "sdesya"?

          The reason is irresponsibility, in isolation. In a decent modern state, the average physician and teacher should treat and teach the elite. Otherwise, it is an indecent state and the elite, in fact, is not the elite, or the elite is not of this state. One hundred years ago, isolation led to a revolution.
          1. +2
            12 January 2016 09: 05
            Repair Aurora will finish this year !!! hi
            1. +4
              12 January 2016 09: 45
              Quote: Izotovp
              Repair Aurora will finish this year !!!

              the team took a social obligation to expedite the completion of repairs? :-)
              1. +1
                12 January 2016 10: 16
                July 15 marks 60 years and by then they want to put her in her usual place.
                1. +2
                  12 January 2016 14: 46
                  That's right: checking all the equipment, refueling, loading ammunition for the bow gun .. and here is November 7th! wassat
                  1. 0
                    12 January 2016 17: 25
                    Quote: avia1991
                    That's right: checking all the equipment, refueling, loading ammunition for the bow gun .. and here is November 7th!

                    As Baron Munchausen used to say: "But that's not all ...", a sailor Zheleznyak with a guard is needed
              2. 0
                12 January 2016 19: 21
                remember the joke about the "counter plan" laughing
            2. +1
              12 January 2016 17: 47
              Quote: Izotovp
              Repair Aurora will finish this year !!!

              Thank God. I was still on the old, not plastic.
        2. +9
          12 January 2016 08: 38
          "after all, the president says that it should be quite different ..."
          Conclusion for several years - the guarantor for the people has become a "trademark" and nothing more. Everyone in the country is ruled by "zaslantsy" of liberal blood. And Chubaisik is unsinkable proof of this ...
          The credit of trust is already running out. Numerous "ratings" in the Kremlin media confirm this.
          As the saying goes, "if a person is told for years that he is a pig, he will soon grunt." So it is with the Russian electorate. Only the patient is not iron ...
      2. +10
        12 January 2016 07: 59
        Quote: CONTROL
        But there would have been a decree, and all this sabotage (you cannot call the activity of the Min-obrazin any other way!) Would pass from the category of "hypocrisy" - it would qualify! - in the category "crime"!

        like without the knowledge of the president, is everything going on? no need to be mistaken ...
        1. +3
          12 January 2016 12: 15
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          like without the knowledge of the president, is everything going on? no need to be mistaken ...

          Yes, in the opinion of the cheer-putriots, the guarantor, as always, has nothing to do with it. True, why did he then take his place? Question.
      3. +4
        12 January 2016 08: 20
        Quote: CONTROL
        But there would have been a decree, and all this sabotage (you cannot call the activity of the Min-obrazin any other way!) Would pass from the category of "hypocrisy" - it would qualify! - in the category "crime"!

        Are you serious? What about the "May decrees"?
        1. 0
          12 January 2016 10: 27
          Well, not May yet!
      4. +10
        12 January 2016 10: 03
        Quote: CONTROL
        And with a teacher, education begins (and GEF if that ...)! No teacher - no standard, not to mention education!

        It all starts in the family! You go to school, in any class. Be sure to have a few minor villains who ruin the entire learning process. Because of which teachers are afraid to go to class. But there is no government for these youngsters, and parents are inactive. Where they can no longer, and sometimes do not want to interfere in the process, laziness. Therefore, associates go to the pedagogical university, or when there is nowhere to go. I think that it is necessary to strengthen, first of all, the responsibility of parents for the behavior and performance of children. Less than half of the parents come to the meeting, and precisely those to whom the least claims. This is certainly not the only reason, but very influential. Two of my children studied and are studying according to different programs, but I can say that you can teach to read and write correctly in any way, if it is really possible to do this, including for parents. If mom is passionate about finding love, and dad fishing and passionate, then no reform with the exam will not make your child competitive in this life.
        1. +4
          12 January 2016 12: 39
          Because of which teachers are afraid to go to class


          How are you trying to surprise people? Such "rascals" were and will ALWAYS be. The teacher MUST deal with them, this is his job. Everyone can foolishly rattle off a lesson, but keeping the attention of the audience (class, and even the younger one) is a damn job. And teachers' salaries have always been miserable. My grandmother, a primary school teacher, raised my father alone, working in two shifts, and at the same time could not give him a level of well-being, even close to the neighbour's children. So it was under the USSR, although they did not starve. The only thing better then than now is respect for teachers. Even in 2000, when I came to a techie by assignment, if my acquaintances found out that I became a teacher, they said, they say, cool. True, when they recognized the "zryaplatu" - "cool" immediately disappeared. And now, as one mother from the class where her son studies, they say, the teachers themselves chose their fate, apparently, they were not capable of anything more, so let them live on a penny. That is, teachers and teachers have already been deprived of everything, even respect, this is a tragedy, and not in the line of textbooks. A normal teacher / teacher will give students more information only with their knowledge than any textbook. And today, when there is the Internet, even a student, or as he now needs to be called a STUDENT, can dig up a lot of information himself, you just need to send it carefully and make him want to receive this information. But with this now the main problem. Everyone says, I pay money, give me a diploma and leave me alone with your knowledge, there are much more interesting things.
          1. +4
            12 January 2016 13: 18
            Quote: alicante11
            How are you trying to surprise people? Such "rascals" were and will ALWAYS be. The teacher MUST deal with them, this is his job. Everyone can foolishly rattle off a lesson, but keeping the attention of the audience (class, and even the younger one) is a damn job.

            The public education system should work with both teaching staff and parents, and should GUARANTEE the integrity of the honor and dignity of the teacher, regardless of his qualifications. The teenager, together with legal representatives, must be held responsible for offenses and crimes. This is the only way to instill a sense of respect for the legal rights of others. And teachers would need more objectivity. Doesn't pull "prodigy" to "3", well, give him what he deserves. If "2" then "2". And then you arrange dances with a tambourine around a lazy aboltus, and he makes fun of you. At a meeting in December, a class lady expressed surprise how a student (13 years old) suddenly jumped out of a "pathological binary" into a "good one" in two weeks, simply admired, asked to share his experience with others who were not quite successful. The boy's mother explained that dad was tired of his son's deuces, and he whipped him. And you mean textbooks, methods, reforms. It is necessary to delve into it. And deeper ...
            1. +1
              12 January 2016 15: 35
              The teenager, along with legal representatives, must be held accountable for offenses and crimes. This is the only way to instill a sense of respect for the legitimate rights of others.


              Who would be against it?

              And teachers would need more objectivity. Doesn't pull "prodigy" to "3", well, give him what he deserves. If "2" then "2".


              Yes, no problem, I'll even say more, some teachers (I'm talking about a techie) manage to FILL the students. Moreover, for now, you can "get off" with a conversation with the leadership and promises of "Kuzka's mother." But now they will introduce an effective contract and each "pair" will pull the bar of additional payments down. And try to be objective here. So far, the fact that salaries are already low will save you, no one wants to go to work, and therefore the old people feel like kings and spit on everyone and everything.
          2. +1
            13 January 2016 09: 33
            Quote: alicante11
            Such "rascals" were and will ALWAYS be. The teacher MUST deal with them, this is his job.

            THIS was not yet 10 years ago. The system of "Western" education is working! Unlike ours, it achieves its goals. And the teacher becomes an absolutely powerless being, who can easily be accused of "violating the rights of the child"! For some reason, everyone forgets that a teacher, as a Citizen, has ABSOLUTELY THE SAME RIGHTS! And the child should be responsible for their violation - not by itself, but through the parents! .. The maximum that the Law allows to apply to the parent, for the dirty and mean behavior of the child - to be fined 100 (!!!!!!) rubles .. ALL. At the same time, sometimes SUCH is coming out of the little child ..! Why do you want to frankly pull out your tongue, so that in life nothing more could vyakut! And everything gets away with it: they can't expel him from school, punish his parents - too, except to sue them, but this is strength, time, and - a "lottery" in court: which judge will you get to, what is his mood in the morning, and whether the parents of the defendant have a "way out" to the judge .. then you lose money, time, nerves, and - you remain IDI.O.TOM, especially in the eyes of schoolchildren.
            Search the Internet, kids love to post videos about bullying teachers. And these are not isolated cases - we simply do not learn about most of these situations.
      5. +1
        12 January 2016 15: 41
        Quote: CONTROL
        . Which of the teachers corresponds to it - at least in part?

        You name, for a start, who corresponds to this Federal State Educational Standard among the graduates of universities - yes, the same MGIMO, for example? Or Moscow State University? So that "inside and out"!
        Quote: CONTROL
        ... Ah, do not remember?

        WHO wrote this "document" in your opinion? Is the person smart? Does he even have a remote idea of ​​pedagogy? About child psychology?
        By the way, the main source of knowledge for a child, according to the Federal State Educational Standards and the Ministry of Education, is "self-education": sitting on the Internet for many hours (!!!), in search of the necessary information! .. Do you think: will he find a lot of it there? ..
        Do not bother, I will answer you right away, in practice: NEVER. At first, on the fingers count resources where this info is really competently served, and corresponds to real life, science, history, etc.
        Secondly - he (the child) does not need this and is not interested: by going to the Internet, he immediately succumbs to the temptation to start the game, and all tasks go sideways. Will you be able to spend a few hours every day on "self-preparation" of your child? And if there are two of them, and the age difference is 2-3 years? NO?! Then what does the teacher have to do with it? They tell their hours - but in 45 minutes it is IMPOSSIBLE to fit all the information (note - also so that it is assimilated!) Necessary for your child to match the image of the Federal State Educational Standard! By the way, the "self-education" of your child, to comply with the Federal State Educational Standard - Your direct responsibility as a parent! For at the end of the school day, the teacher cannot - and should not! - control the student’s activities.
        But what about the problem of overlapping subjects? For example, geography and mathematics? In geography, angles and azimuths, decimal fractions are already there - and the children have dull amazement in their eyes: THEY HAVE NOT PASSED THIS STILL! The math program is one year behind.
    3. +6
      12 January 2016 07: 57
      on the site http://whatisgood.ru/ (teach good) the whole "depth of our depths" is clearly shown, and the flow of this waste does not dry out. So we have "fursenki" everywhere.
      1. +1
        12 January 2016 17: 57
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        the flow of this waste does not dry out. so that "fursenki" are everywhere.

        This is one of the first signs of state instability. Along with psychics and fortune tellers.
    4. +6
      12 January 2016 08: 21
      Quote: Mera Joota
      No, understanding that this is his ordinary blah blah blah ... He said a lot of things.


      - Officials quite naturally ignored the "May decrees" and the "single history textbook" and other, no less important things. And no one took any responsibility for this. It turns out that the president does not care about the execution of his orders?

      Quote: nils
      A people without history is not a nation. Axima of sociology. THEY KNOW THIS.


      - This is a moot point, in fact. The Americans - for objective reasons - have no history as such. That does not prevent them from being quite a nation for themselves and even kicking the whole world in the direction they need (although lately this has been getting worse and worse). But, on the other hand, those pitiful, by our standards, two hundred years - they value them. Schoolchildren memorize the names of all presidents, who became famous for what, and so on. National museums are not like ours, everything is very pretentious and expensively done, so as to inspire. And in our country, not even every adult will tell you how the "Quiet" was different from "Kalita", and who they were.

      Quote: USSR 1971
      Of course, our Ukrainian "partners" also started with textbooks (guess who wrote them), a whole generation has brains on Gilyak.


      - It all started not with textbooks, but with Democracy Aid Centers, or something like that. But then, with the already formed group of "network influence", there were textbooks, and memorable rallies in honor of Bandera and Shukhevych, and other garbage.

      Quote: Designer 1
      Different textbooks are cretinism !! Children (with marks 4 and 5) come to the school for testing from the disbanding physical-mat school and fail on tests !! And why? Yes, different programs and educational literature.


      - Sounds dubious. Whoever compiled the textbook, but the laws of physics do not change from this. If "e = ms (square)", then it will be so forever and ever. Amen. It's the same with mathematics. I agree with history and other literature, like any humanitarian specialty, they allow for a broad interpretation and different educational literature can play a bad joke here.

      Quote: Tatiana
      I’m tired of constantly talking about the interests of the West in the collapse of Russian education and science.


      - Then start talking about the interests of the "Russian government" in the same. Because this also has a place to be, and is much more dangerous than some kind of West, which is constantly being kicked in the nose either by laws on NGOs or by expulsion of "agents of influence." But state officials, unfortunately, are not only not expelled, but also not punished. Quite the opposite.
      1. +1
        12 January 2016 18: 14
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        Then start talking about the interests of the "Russian government"

        The fact of the matter is that officials have their own interest in this. But Russia is interested in officials insofar as they are paid, or allowed to earn from investors. And those have their own interests.
    5. +11
      12 January 2016 08: 21
      Quote: CONTROL
      But there would have been a decree, and all this sabotage (you cannot call the activity of the Min-obrazin any other way!) Would pass from the category of "hypocrisy" - it would qualify! - in the category "crime"! What, in essence, the activity of Min-obrazina is (in front of us - in all its glory ...).


      - How many Decrees do you need to list that were ignored, failed, forgotten by the government, so that you understand that no Presidential Decrees have power over the bureaucratic tribe? They are not responsible for the decisions made ... and for their inaction ... they have nothing to fear. And the president, by the way, does not even try to "build" them. Looks like he's happy with everything.

      Quote: Dembel 77
      It seems that the city is not small - 70000 people live - but such garbage. Saying in other places is not better. I do not want to believe it, because the president says that it should be completely different. It turns out on the ground do harm? Or is it temporary because of the crisis?


      - In my tiny town - 50.000 souls - the situation was drastically resolved. No "narrow specialist" - no problem. As a result, the most important thing, children's doctors, is stupid. An adult can be hospitalized and sent to the Okrug, or even Moscow-Yekaterinburg, maybe, in the end, get there on his own, but getting there with a sick child ... this is real Hell. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money, and you don’t have 20-30 thousand for an air ticket, and two or three days on the train are waiting for you. Well, I won't even remember the old people. "Live fast. Die young. Pension Fund of Russia".
      1. +2
        12 January 2016 12: 17
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        And the president, by the way, does not even try to "build" them. It looks like he's happy with everything.

        You just need to remove the word "similar", but everything is correct.
      2. 0
        13 January 2016 05: 44
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        An adult can be hospitalized and sent to the Okrug, or even Moscow-Yekaterinburg, maybe, in the end, get there on his own, but getting there with a sick child ... this is real Hell. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money, and you don’t have 20-30 thousand for an air ticket, and two or three days on the train are waiting for you. Well, I won't even remember about old people. "Live fast. Die young. Pension Fund of Russia".


        There is one. A year ago, he buried his father in a small town near Novosib. Thundered to the hospital for some reason. It’s like nothing, they were going to send the 100 km to the regional center - Novosibirsk, but while they were going, the father died ... Most interestingly, even an autopsy was done in Novosib at the insistence of my wife, a doctor, and they didn’t reveal the reason why dead !! Nonsense (And all this is connected with childhood - what schoolchildren are like and tomorrow's doctors ...
    6. Boos
      +3
      12 January 2016 10: 40
      Gop, gop ... But there’s still no jump, I agree with you!
      Quote: Mera Joota
      when Vladimir Putin proposed introducing the aforementioned unified history textbook for Russian schools. That is, in front of the president’s eyes they patted him in sweaty hands, and then they lowered the initiative on the brakes, not publicizing the result. Hypocrisy?

      No, understanding that this is his ordinary blah blah blah ... He said a lot of things.
    7. +3
      12 January 2016 10: 52
      The illustration is the answer to the blah blah blah "guarantor".
    8. +3
      12 January 2016 14: 46
      A single story is now being affirmed in Washington.
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    10. 0
      14 January 2016 12: 30
      Tell me, the president should only indicate the direction of movement, no? Education officials should put these guidelines into practice, right? If they cannot do something or if something is missing for implementation, then there must be constructive proposals for removing obstacles. Clap your hands - approve of what was said, right? Or is Putin your fault?
    11. 0
      14 January 2016 12: 30
      Tell me, the president should only indicate the direction of movement, no? Education officials should put these guidelines into practice, right? If they cannot do something or if something is missing for implementation, then there must be constructive proposals for removing obstacles. Clap your hands - approve of what was said, right? Or is Putin your fault?
    12. 0
      14 January 2016 12: 49
      But the president outlines and points out development paths, doesn’t he? Does it verbally, (blah blah blah), or, for those who have poor memory, draws up their blah blah blah on paper. Clapping is a sign of approval and encouragement. Or is it just the hypocrisy of officials? Then the author of the article is right! And you, dear, just make blah blah blah. Minus.
    13. 0
      14 January 2016 12: 49
      But the president outlines and points out development paths, doesn’t he? Does it verbally, (blah blah blah), or, for those who have poor memory, draws up their blah blah blah on paper. Clapping is a sign of approval and encouragement. Or is it just the hypocrisy of officials? Then the author of the article is right! And you, dear, just make blah blah blah. Minus.
    14. 0
      14 January 2016 20: 26
      All talk about education is really blah blah blah. And the education itself is in the pose that this schoolgirl showed.
  2. +5
    12 January 2016 06: 15
    As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...

    Forgot to add. Hard times are waiting for teachers, a delay in salaries (and in many regions already) and the consequences (I think you shouldn’t remind about loans), they will certainly not be up to the quality of education ...
  3. +12
    12 January 2016 06: 16
    As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...


    Our hockey plays in the Canadian style ... and our main hockey players also live there losing everything that is inherent in the Russian attacking hockey ...
    the same thing happens with our education ... gradually we are moving to Western standards, losing our original education .... sadness.
    1. +14
      12 January 2016 06: 39
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Our hockey plays in the Canadian style ... and our main hockey players also live there losing everything that is inherent in the Russian attacking hockey ...

      Not a hockey fanatic, but there was pride for the Soviet team. And now, not the last victories are recalled, although Znarok, I must admit, knows the correct word. I remember some championship in St. Petersburg. We built a new ice palace, all our NHLs arrived, our entire team - the NHL stars team. They screamed everywhere that we would tear everyone. As a result, only the Belarusians did NOT LOSE ...

      Symbolic, right? Why not grab it - everything is like with that championship ...
    2. cap
      +3
      12 January 2016 06: 49
      Quote: The same Lech
      As they say, we don’t need such hockey ...


      Our hockey plays in the Canadian style ... and our main hockey players also live there losing everything that is inherent in the Russian attacking hockey ...
      the same thing happens with our education ... gradually we are moving to Western standards, losing our original education .... sadness.

      Marshal
      aszzz888 (1) RU Today, 06:17 AM

      This mess with textbooks has repeatedly become the subject of discussion.


      What textbooks and education system, such is the Minister of Education - you won’t look without tears! fellow


      You can argue for a long time on this topic, but if interested. I recommend it.

      Olga Chetverikova. School: total restructuring
      https://vk.com/video-49622204_171269869
  4. +13
    12 January 2016 06: 17
    This mess with textbooks has repeatedly become the subject of discussion.


    What textbooks and education system, such is the Minister of Education - you won’t look without tears! fellow
  5. Pig
    +12
    12 January 2016 06: 27
    briefly about the modern education strategy:
    HER (strategy) NO!
    1. +2
      12 January 2016 06: 48
      Pig is a strategy, but the strategy of the collapse and nodification of the people, and the reformers have success in this field.
    2. Dam
      0
      12 January 2016 09: 43
      Why, our partners clearly have it (it draws from this catchword). They are in every way possible with grenades, NPOs, pushing lies and dirt into our education. When we begin to firmly counteract this, probably when we directly call our partners enemies.
      1. 0
        13 January 2016 09: 43
        Quote: Damm
        When we begin to firmly counteract this,

        Who is "WE", Vladislav? We are ready, we want, we are torn - but who will give us ?! It seems that it will not do without a global fight, since all the authorities are typical "zombies" repeating the same thing: "How good it is with us! What great fellows, ministers, deputies, managers, and other friends!" And we, following their course, are gradually - but inevitably - approaching the edge.
  6. +40
    12 January 2016 06: 31
    And is it not hypocrisy to publish the pathos GEF, which refers to the “standard child prodigy” against the backdrop of a monstrous decline in the level of education and the growth of the teacher’s lack of rights ... Against the background of the same statements about the “qualified consumer” ...
    And let me be showered with various rubbish, but, nevertheless, I will say that the Soviet education system was best suited for the formation of a "standard child prodigy". I will not analyze the subtleties - this is the business of specialists, a simple abstract comparison of the results of a ten-year stay at school is terrifying. The "standard graduate" -1960 or "standard graduate" -1980 was a "standard prodigy" compared to today's rams who cannot speak Russian, do not know where their country is on the map, have no idea of ​​the simplest physical and chemical principles. Those who have read two books in all their moronic 17 years - a thick one and a green one.

    30-40-50 years ago it was ashamed to write with mistakes. In the magazine "Pioneer" and "Koster" they laughed at the blunders from school essays. And now a 25-year-old ram with a higher education brings a vacation application - and there are 10 mistakes in 18 words. I stopped signing statements with mistakes, so they adapted to run to the mother of one of their own - a doctor of philological sciences. She composes statements and reports for them for a box of sweets. You point your finger at the mistakes - and they say: "Well, you understand what I wanted to write ..."

    Sorry for them, the victims of the Unified State Exam, the Bologna systems, the Fursenkov, the Livanovs and everything else that killed literacy and intelligence. Correctly in the article it is written - a generation of people who hawala has grown up. "Qualified consumers", [cenzored, unfortunately!] ...
    1. cap
      +13
      12 January 2016 07: 50
      Quote: Zoldat_A

      30-40-50 years ago it was ashamed to write with mistakes. In the magazine "Pioneer" and "Koster" they laughed at the blunders from school essays. And now a 25-year-old ram with a higher education brings a vacation application - and there are 10 mistakes in 18 words. I stopped signing statements with mistakes, so they adapted to run to the mother of one of their own - a doctor of philological sciences. She composes statements and reports for them for a box of sweets. You point your finger at the mistakes - and they say: "Well, you understand what I wanted to write ..."


      In the university, I will not write in which one, withstood 6 months. I quit for a similar reason. Coursework retell (!!!), "their own" (but rather bought) students cannot. I sympathize with all of us. hi
      1. +4
        12 January 2016 08: 08
        Quote: cap
        In the university, I will not write in which one, withstood 6 months. I quit for a similar reason. Coursework retell (!!!), "their own" (but rather bought) students cannot. I sympathize with all of us. hi

        Similarly! ... but - 9 months! therefore - I am stronger! ... (well, or poorer - less money ...)
      2. 0
        12 January 2016 12: 57
        In the university, I will not write in which one, withstood 6 months. I quit for a similar reason. Coursework retell (!!!), "their own" (but rather bought) students cannot. I sympathize with all of us.


        Dear, what are you talking about? You haven't even figured out the situation in 6 months. I worked at the technical school for 5 years at the beginning of the 2000s, right after college and now I work for the third year. They are SMART, but, PANCAKE, LAZY !!!!! If they want, the mountains will be moved, they will understand any "squiggle". Moreover, when you see that a student is trying to figure it out, you break yourself into a cake, but you will help. But the desire to "understand" is getting worse every year.
        Although, IMHO, the system is to blame. If at the beginning of the 2000s and in the 90s, when I was studying at the institute, they were expelled harshly, cleaned after each session, then by the 3rd-4th year there were either, as the author puts it, "prodigies" who "lived happily from the session before the session ", but managed to pass, or zealously wanting to learn. Now it is stupidly forbidden to deduct. In terms of academic performance, expulsion is generally an egregious case. All heads branches persuade the idiots to "go quietly." Those who are smarter see this situation, how debts drag on for years, and understand that it is not necessary to study. It is enough just to be listed. And the "teacher" will not go anywhere, he also flies for the "deuces" from the authorities. As a result, groups of 3 and even 4 courses have to be cleaned, and it is simply impossible to listen to the defense of diplomas in 50% or more cases without tears. And, again, not because they are stupid, but because they DO NOT WANT to learn. And you can't force. They are STUDENTS, not some "students".
        1. +2
          12 January 2016 15: 03
          Quote: alicante11
          They are smart, but, damn it, lazy !!!!!

          And they argue their laziness with arrogance. They are much more interested in the tablet, and not in the book. It’s hard with them, not everyone can stand it. And God forbid that you overdo it with emotions, parents are also smart now, just a little to court.
          In general, of course, a mess, and everywhere. The vacuum of knowledge deliberately created by education in the heads of adolescents is successfully filled with low-profile media. And everything is going on at the state level.
          P.S. Greetings Alik! hi
          1. +3
            12 January 2016 15: 43
            Mutually hi .
            And God forbid to go too far with emotions, parents are also smart now, just a little - to court.


            Yes, the native authorities even before their parents eat the whole baldness. Although they can also be understood, the authorities are also above them, university, and above them is the same minister of ministry.
            Whether it was before, the parents came to somehow stand up for their son. So the director of the technical school, the former head of the depot, so caressed them like a railway ... If we discard the profanity, the meaning was this - "my teacher, deserved, etc., etc. is more important to me than your jerk." In general, in the end, my son took up his mind and even ended up being good.
            The truth and the other side of the coin was. In the very first year of work, the director had to lay down a letter of resignation on the director's desk, because the defense really overwhelmed the boy who really deserved his top five, but had a conflict with the "honored" teacher. But in general, there were always people who helped to solve the case fairly.
      3. +4
        12 January 2016 16: 31
        Quote: cap
        Term papers retell (!!!), "their own" (or rather purchased) students cannot.

        I have a wife 10 years ago students told a summary of Dante's "Divine Comedy" based on the performance of the Obraztsov Theater of the same name. I don’t think that they understood something and terribly appreciated the Central Puppet Theater named after S.V. Obraztsova - rather, on the Internet they google summary of "Divine Comedy" - and which one - the mind didn’t have enough to figure out ...

        Today's students live with her on the Volga, every summer they wander along the beaches and do not know which way the Volga flows.

        When my wife asked today's students what Hitler was called (after all, everyone has not only a surname, but also a first name) - a real stupor. And then the bravest girl said: "Napoleon". This is not a joke, a real story, a pedagogical university, a third year.
        1. +1
          13 January 2016 05: 48
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          When my wife asked today's students what Hitler was called (after all, everyone has not only a surname, but also a first name) - a real stupor. And then the bravest girl said: "Napoleon". This is not a joke, a real story, a pedagogical university, third year.


          Peter 1 defeated Napoleon near Narva ...)
          1. 0
            13 January 2016 09: 52
            Quote: Egen
            Peter 1 defeated Napoleon near Narva ...)

            Nope! It was Alexander Nevsky who smashed them on Lake Onega! They - the French - were in armor, the ice cracked - they were drowned! .. Some scraps in their heads are dangling, and WHAT, to WHAT, WHERE - this is "lost along the way."
        2. 0
          13 January 2016 10: 05
          the sun revolves around the earth sad
          1. +1
            13 January 2016 14: 12
            Actually, it will be so if we take the earth as a reference point wink
            1. -1
              13 January 2016 14: 38
              sorry, but let's not be "clever" if you wish, you can prove that 2x2 = 5, as well as that the bike is not a stable system and it cannot ride in any way

              p / s / in your case, you do not need to take the Earth as the reference point, but the point on the planet
              1. +1
                13 January 2016 14: 50
                And you will forgive hi but that’s where I get clever I’ll decide for myself.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                p / s / in your case, you do not need to take the Earth as the reference point, but the point on the planet



                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                if you wish, you can prove that 2x2 = 5, as well as that the bike is not a stable system and it cannot go either way

                Verbiage.
                1. 0
                  13 January 2016 15: 54
                  Quote: Barkhan
                  Verbiage.

                  absolutely not, and for that and for the other (2x2 and a bike) there is evidence
                  and about the first one you verbiage suffer
              2. 0
                13 January 2016 14: 51
                and refute weakly? hi
    2. +3
      12 January 2016 10: 30
      There is a good saying in Dagestan: Where there are no good youth, there were no good old people! "
      1. +4
        12 January 2016 16: 38
        Quote: kalibr
        There is a good saying in Dagestan: Where there are no good youth, there were no good old people!"

        And how would you immediately pour a hundred pluses? You can’t tell more truly ... good

        I myself am one of those who are already old. At least on the passport. But, soberly looking at myself, my friends, my generation and guided by this saying, I can assume that we were not the worst youth, and our old people are not the worst old people.

        My hair stands on end when I think that THESE will rule the country in 15-20 years, and in 40-50 years they will take our place today ...

        Thank God they will not be leading me and my generation. I will not see all this ....
    3. +2
      12 January 2016 11: 32
      But the Unified State Examination has nothing to do with it - the level of education depends on the person, on the desire to learn, study, understand, and if a person is a lazy person, even if you introduce the Soviet system of education, he will remain a lazy person and nothing will change.
      1. -1
        12 January 2016 11: 50
        I agree. If a person studied at school, passed the exam, graduated from college and works on a profile without complaints about knowledge, then where does the exam? The USE really made it possible for normal graduates from the provinces to study at universities such as Moscow State University, they had not dreamed about this before, their parents simply would not have had enough money to pay for the admission.
        1. +4
          12 January 2016 12: 20
          Quote: Kent0001
          The USE really made it possible for normal graduates from the province to study at universities such as Moscow State University, they hadn’t dreamed about it before, their parents simply wouldn’t have enough money to pay for the admission.

          Come on ... Examination gave, yeah ... But what about the USSR? Then there was no USE, and girls and boys from the provinces easily went to the cities, entered universities and studied.
          1. 0
            12 January 2016 16: 58
            In the USSR, the economy was different - planned, and now market - you have to pay for everything.
        2. +4
          12 January 2016 14: 16
          But I will allow myself to disagree with you. My father is from Izhevsk, my mother is from Novorossiysk, and yet we entered the Moscow State University law school without any problems. And the very idea of ​​the USE is fundamentally wrong, it is impossible to check the availability of fundamental knowledge with the help of "testers". There is a specific database of questions for the exam in any subject. Even if you are completely d.i.i.l., it is quite possible to remember the answer to any question in Test Parts A and B without understanding why it is. Moreover, the tasks are essentially all of the same type, and any tutor will train even a complete idiot on the solution algorithm in a year or two. Understanding is not necessary, sculpt everything according to the stencil.
      2. 0
        13 January 2016 10: 02
        Quote: Vadim237
        if a person is a lazy person, at least introduce the Soviet education system

        The Soviet system involved not only textbooks, but also a coherent system of coercion and encouragement. And the poor parent was the one whose child allowed himself something superfluous at school! And then the child turned out to be "poor", and all laziness was quickly squeezed out of him with the help of improvised tools and other measures of material and moral influence.
        And where did they come from
        Quote: Vadim237
        aspirations learn, study, penetrate,
        wassat If they did this on a regular basis, study became a habit; if from time to time, knowledge was also assimilated. But I see that OUR “C-students” could give a handicap to almost any today's “excellent student”.
        I repeat: the point is not lazy, not lazy. The fact is that the teacher had REAL leverage on the student. And there was a State, which Teachers in MUCH supported. And therefore there were - and still are - space rockets, and ships in the oceans, and powerful weapons that frightened NATO, and ballet, and hydroelectric power stations from nuclear power plants! .. Will Soviet specialists last for long?
  7. +5
    12 January 2016 06: 32
    To smear all of these reformers from the minobase to the wall and forehead with green stuff, they brought the country to universal illiteracy.
    1. +4
      12 January 2016 07: 22
      just not green !!! So they are also publicized :) Carve out with crowds when crowded, like careless students in tsarist schools :)
  8. +5
    12 January 2016 06: 35
    The more “painted” the fours and fives, even if there is nothing to “draw”, the better - a) for personal statistics, b) for the reporting of the ministry. ... And all at the same time both parents and teachers and officials and the student are satisfied .. but there is no education ...
    1. +14
      12 January 2016 08: 11
      My wife is a teacher of elementary grades - do you know how infuriates all teachers from these FSES? But our government put them in a pose (known to everyone). Satisfied from this situation, only stupid children and their near-minded parents, since it is really secretly FORBIDDEN to put a deuce. And if it’s still possible for the lessons, then deuce for a quarter or God forbid for a year is an indicator that one teacher is bad (not a weak child or a parasite, nor parents involved with his child), and accordingly he will be punished .. I would say that GEF-s is just a window dress from min.education in state. scale .. Oh, and what are the requirements for the schools themselves ... just beauty .. in my city since the collapse of the USSR they built one school and even it does not fit those standards ... So the picture for the article is very indicative ... Education comrades from high offices, who are only interested in money, kill and do it, so that everything looks decent ...
      1. +5
        12 January 2016 08: 55
        since it is really secretly PROHIBITED to put deuces... Oh, I know ... that's why I'm writing ... I worked in the education system, as a teacher for 3 years ... This is a nightmare ... I remember, at a parent meeting, an "elite" class (like the smartest) I was almost torn apart into thousands of pieces, they say to children, I ask a lot about history ...
        1. 0
          12 January 2016 13: 04
          they say to children, I ask a lot about history ...


          And what, "not much"? Or in vain does an anecdote about a night call to a teacher go online? At times it seems that there should be 30 hours in a day for the child to have time to do all the homework. And the classroom frightens us that it will be even harder in high school.
          Students must also be thought of. After all, they are not only your subject.
          1. +1
            13 January 2016 10: 12
            Quote: alicante11
            And what, "not much"?

            How much do you want ?! Everything is in accordance with the Federal State Educational Standard: a child prodigy has to master the textbook in a week, otherwise it will not reach the "standard". Do you have time to give a lot of information in the lesson? That's why everything else is for self-preparation: gasspadas, parents, read, dig - this is your problem!
            This is not the desire of teachers - it is their responsibility: to give home the number of tasks that are provided for independent study by the authors of the Federal State Educational Standard. IDE we have afftory? In the Ministry of Education! This is where we turn with comments hi
        2. 0
          12 January 2016 15: 42
          "since it is really forbidden to put deuces behind the scenes" - I agree, but not quite. First, it is tacitly forbidden to put ones, two is not forbidden, if in some school the head teacher goes crazy, then there is no need to generalize. Secondly, I went along the following path, I prescribed a grading system in the work program, including two and one, the administration made some noise, but could not do anything, legally I can put any grading system, up to stars, if it is not prohibited by the school curriculum ... usually the unit is not indicated in it, therefore it is not put, but the teacher in his work program can supplement the school one, which I did.
          1. 0
            15 January 2016 04: 35
            You unfortunately read the text, but do not understand it ..
            The teacher can give deuces or any unsatisfactory marks, but this is perceived by the system only as a teacher’s defect and nothing more. The teacher is a priori wrong - this is the main message from the mines. education and even if they don’t say it openly, but in fact it is.
      2. +2
        12 January 2016 12: 25
        Quote: Kubatai
        Satisfied from this situation, only stupid children and their narrow-minded parents

        And my wife generally works in a school for the mentally underdeveloped. So there is generally nonsense. Parents directly "press" on teachers to make their children Einsteins, and the leadership of the school and various departments indulge them. And all this is covered by Medvedev's phrase: "We have no untrained children." Yes, there they would not have smashed their head off or someone else, they would not have smeared them on the walls, but they would have been able to adapt in society and serve themselves at least simply - and that is an achievement for a teacher.
        1. 0
          12 January 2016 13: 44
          Read the paragraph and answer questions to it .. is that a lot?
          1. 0
            12 January 2016 15: 46
            Read the paragraph and answer questions to it .. is that a lot?


            Well, apart from presentations, essays, a couple of translations, I am silent about mathematics and Russian. And do not forget, I repeat, that the child has 4-5 of such tasks. I myself teach, but I always remember that once I also studied. It helps a lot in work.
            1. +1
              12 January 2016 17: 40
              I myself teach, but I always remember that once I also studied. It helps a lot in work...Here, this is what the level of education is from .... Oh, I’m poor, unhappy, how hard it was for me at school ... How I was pressed by a nut of knowledge ... And what poor, unhappy children .. they are so burdened ..But it was hard for me .. to study .. And this should not happen with my children .. This item is optional, but this item is not needed, my child will be a secret physicist and why he will need literature and geography, an audiobook will tell, the carrier will bring .. And then we are surprised .. where did Mitrofanushki come from ...
              1. +1
                13 January 2016 05: 38
                where did Mitrofanushki come from ...


                Yes, not from there. Just heads clogged with a bunch of incompatible information. As a result, in preparation for the lesson, instead of sorting out the issue, it is a commonplace cramming. And everything answered today tomorrow is safely forgotten. Although, of course, the specifics of the school and the ACT are somewhat different. We still have a session where students can show a complex of knowledge, and the system is funded at school. However, the accumulation of ratings is also required of us.
              2. 0
                13 January 2016 10: 21
                Quote: parusnik
                ... Ah, I'm poor, miserable, how hard it was for me at school

                Listen, do not write nonsense!
                You, apparently, do not know, for your happiness, HOW MUCH a student really MUST do in the process of homework. And competent teachers, indeed, always remember
                Quote: parusnik
                that once I studied too. It helps in the work ..
                Because parents, who really strive to control the learning process of their children, begin to howl, sitting up with their children until 22-23 hours, in an attempt to fulfill EVERYTHING that was asked. And this is in the presence of fast Internet! And why, in fact, should they receive NOT ALWAYS ADEQUATE information through the Network, instead of getting it from normal textbooks? .. We got along somehow without the Internet? And yet, there was enough information. Now it is simply an overabundance, and, moreover, unjustified, and it is often not systematized - this is "the student must do it himself" .. I wonder how THEY imagine this? wassat
  9. +6
    12 January 2016 06: 36
    It is necessary to return the old system, correct the history and everything will be fine, there is nothing more to invent. After all, they have grown normal.
    1. +3
      12 January 2016 13: 08
      It is necessary to return the old system, correct the history and everything will be fine, there is nothing more to invent. After all, they have grown normal.


      It is necessary to change goals and objectives. In Soviet times, we studied in order to create, create, do what we love, and now in order to "consume". Livanov is a fool, on the way, after graduation from the institute he never appeared in any educational institution, because consumers have been raised for a long time. One thing "I pay you your salary", all speaks about the goals of modern students. But in the capitalist paradigm, it is impossible to change goals and objectives, because now the one who consumes better is successful.
      1. +2
        12 January 2016 17: 36
        Quote: alicante11
        It is necessary to change goals and objectives. In Soviet times, we studied in order to create, create, do what we love

        Namely, because the goal was to build society, a global goal was set, the pursuit of which pulled the development of all spheres, nowadays, the settings of conservatism, pragmatism, i.e. everything is here now
      2. 0
        13 January 2016 10: 24
        Quote: alicante11
        because the one who consumes better is now successful.

        The successful one is the one who better meets the needs of the Consumers. So the herd of Consumers is raised specially - "shepherds" have long been trained according to separate programs.
  10. +8
    12 January 2016 06: 37
    Well, if our schools are called by the names of American presidents belay - then what to talk about!?
    How, when fighting a drunk - the Soros Foundation, made a curriculum - so no one changed it!
    1. cap
      +2
      12 January 2016 07: 04
      Quote: satelit24
      Well, if our schools are called by the names of American presidents belay - then what to talk about!?
      How, when fighting a drunk - the Soros Foundation, made a curriculum - so no one changed it!


      I recommended the video above. And here is a very recent article. It is worth reading.
      http://новости-россии.ru-an.info/
      Just find articles by Olga Chetverikova in this news.
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  12. +6
    12 January 2016 06: 51
    The results of international mathematical olympiads, in which the USSR took first place, and now about 10, clearly show the quality of the reforms. But the minister is not a ruble as DAM said, he does not have to like everyone. So, hoping for positive changes in education is hardly worth it. Fursenko even honestly wrote that they need a consumer, I think that has not changed.
    1. 0
      12 January 2016 15: 44
      this is not the quality of reforms, but the parameter of bribes when compiling a list of participants in the Olympiad
  13. +3
    12 January 2016 06: 52
    Federal State Educational Standard

    It’s necessary to think of such a thing. fool
    1. 0
      12 January 2016 13: 14
      GOSTs were also in the USSR. The point is not in the name or even in the content, by and large, a normal teacher will be able to give what is needed. The problem is that these GOSES, then the FGOS go one after the other. Almost every year is a new one. AND A LOT OF PAPER. You just bury yourself in them, there is no time to prepare for classes - more is spent on "updating" RUEs, KTPs, KOS, etc.
      1. +1
        12 January 2016 15: 08
        Quote: alicante11
        Almost every year is a new one.

        Right And in each school, children are taught according to different programs, and in ordinary schools. Too much load on children, with a really small digestibility of the subject. hi
  14. -3
    12 January 2016 06: 59
    First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality
    1. +5
      12 January 2016 07: 13
      Quote: bytkeev
      First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality

      Demagogy in the style of DAM ..
      1. +2
        12 January 2016 11: 16
        this is not demagogy, but a substitution of concepts
    2. +7
      12 January 2016 08: 13
      Quote: bytkeev
      First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality

      ... good to eat, it’s right to poop, and bye-bye on time ... And do not drink vodka with beer and milk! ...
    3. +6
      12 January 2016 08: 23
      Any person should love their homeland; this is not taught at school. Creativity is also not particularly grafted.
      First of all, a graduate should think with his head, and not ...
    4. +10
      12 January 2016 08: 24
      Quote: bytkeev
      First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality

      First of all, they should teach him to study and give a certain knowledge base. But patriotism and creativity is a good thing, but not the main thing. Where in 10-20 years will you recruit people for technical positions if everyone is creative patriotic and without knowledge? And so the engineers of the old school are howling with horror, but they are retiring. negative
      1. +4
        12 January 2016 09: 49
        Quote: Hello
        if everyone will be creative patriotic

        they will probably be in the civil service
      2. -1
        12 January 2016 13: 17
        Where in 10-20 years will you recruit people for technical positions if everyone is creative patriotic and without knowledge?


        And what, a creative, knowledgeable and patriotic engineer does not exist? Or do you have here at VO some "humanities" gathered under the "Star of David", all such patriots of their new homeland?
        1. +2
          12 January 2016 14: 23
          The point is not whether he is creative and patriotic or not, there is no need to replace the concept. The fact is that for an engineer as a person of a working profession, the main thing is not creativity and patriotism, but the ability to do one's job well, that is, possessing a certain amount of knowledge, a working head, and most often - with direct hands. Production is not an electoral system where patriotic fools are needed. I have nothing against patriotism, it’s simply a better clever engineer working at the plant, even if liberal views (if normal views are generally fine) than a rugozhop who adores his homeland.
          1. -1
            12 January 2016 15: 47
            The fact is that for an engineer as a person of a working profession, the main thing is not creativity and patriotism, but the ability to do their job well


            And in my opinion, the main thing is both patriotism and And skill-knowledge. And if separately - then this is "not the main thing."

            I have nothing against patriotism, it’s just better that a clever engineer working at the plant is albeit liberal


            Which, if something happens, will go to Bolotnaya? Or "to defend" the White House? Nefig, nefig.
          2. +1
            12 January 2016 16: 42
            Quote: nazar_0753
            than the hand-lover adoring the Motherland.

            well saidlol
        2. +1
          12 January 2016 14: 25
          Quote: alicante11
          And what, a creative, knowledgeable and patriotic engineer does not exist? Or do you have here at VO some "humanities" gathered under the "Star of David", all such patriots of their new homeland?

          read carefully
          First of all, they should teach him to study and give a certain knowledge base. But patriotism and creativity is a good thing, but not the main thing.
          1. 0
            12 January 2016 15: 49
            read carefully


            Once again, and you already.

            And in my opinion, the main thing is both patriotism and And skill-knowledge. And if separately - then this is "not the main thing."
            1. 0
              12 January 2016 16: 16
              Quote: alicante11
              Once again, and you already.

              I will be glad if all this will be given at the same time, but the main task of the school is to teach the child to learn, and patriotism, monarchism, atheism and others like them to the extent possible. wink
        3. +1
          12 January 2016 17: 17
          Quote: alicante11
          And what, a creative, knowledgeable and patriotic engineer does not happen?

          creative and knowledgeable yes, it happens, but not always patriotic, because his look is more sober than that of an official and if he sees that someone else’s development is better, he will say that this solution is better, not domestic
    5. +2
      12 January 2016 08: 34
      First of all ... a graduate must love his MOTHERLAND and become a CREATIVE personality

      While he becomes and love, they will be taught by NPOs and the like husks they hate and despise
      We recall the words (scoop Rusnya wooden ruble, etc.) all as in the 90s
    6. +4
      12 January 2016 11: 15
      everyone should love their homeland, and the student should receive knowledge and be able to use it
  15. +4
    12 January 2016 07: 14
    Was it really impossible to do, for example, with products - there are made according to GOST, but there are textbooks made according to GOST and would be the same for general education, and for "variable" - according to TU, or how they will be called, but there should be one platform! Previously, typos in textbooks caused us a lot of fun - they were extremely rare, but now bloopers are not even spelling-logical! For my child I will look for textbooks that I myself studied in a Soviet school, yes, it was much harder to study, but they taught thoroughly and put "two" marks, now it is impossible.
    1. +7
      12 January 2016 07: 19
      Soviet textbooks are worth its weight in gold.
      1. 0
        12 January 2016 15: 54
        two of my friends, men between the ages of 65 and 73, are collecting Soviet textbooks of mathematics and physics for grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
        My former boss told:
        grandson arrived, talking. Problems at school with physics - does not pull!
        Grandfather takes out a physics textbook (for 70 years, I didn’t remember the author’s name), begins to read and show to his grandson. After 4 hours, the grandson gives out. AFIGET! we have gone half a year during this time and everything is clear. WHAT DO WE TEACH ?!
        the grandson of the Moscow State University graduated from another acquaintance. Very negative reviews: stumps are sitting, all do not care! A daddy - well done! already work in Yandex projects, there is experience and the head is in place. I respect such!
  16. +2
    12 January 2016 07: 21
    A man in the face of information aggression
  17. +2
    12 January 2016 07: 22
    I understand that in the photo at the beginning of the article the future Minister of Education of the country?
    1. +9
      12 January 2016 08: 17
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      I understand that in the photo at the beginning of the article the future Minister of Education of the country?

      ... the future master of education ... well, who is more?
  18. +8
    12 January 2016 07: 23
    Chaos is happening in schools and universities. Wild amount of unnecessary reporting. Dead words that lose their meaning. How many universities will remain by the end of the year, and in what form I can’t even imagine. Knowledge is often obtained no longer thanks, but in spite of.
  19. +7
    12 January 2016 07: 33
    "... That is, in front of the president's eyes they patted their sweaty palms, and then they let the initiative go on the brakes, not making the result public. Hypocrisy?"
    Yes, an elementary publishing lobby, money is at the forefront, but they would like to have a lot of sausages, so why are you now surprised, or are you developing a stomach or brains, in the USSR they were occupied with the latter, for which they still criticize him so much :-)
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  21. +13
    12 January 2016 07: 37
    The education system and culture is the foundation on which the state stands. Uneducated and uncultured people are dying. And if the Ministry of Culture works somehow, then the Ministry of Education is the clear enemies of the people.
    I have two children studying at school, and comparing what is happening now with the times when I studied myself - I am horrified. Teachers (more) do not give a damn about the students, the school principal is an functionary who does not care about the school. The school curriculum puts into a stupor. How can we raise Russia with one hour of physics a week ?! Where is astronomy? Where did the technical creativity circles go? In my time, those who could enroll in radio or aircraft modeling circles were considered lucky. And let anyone want to study religion in Sunday school, we have a secular state.
    Last year my son didn’t have any labor lessons at all - the teachers could not be found, supposedly. In the gymnasium, money is levied, the quality of teaching is poor, but self-conceit is higher than the roof.
    So you have to teach children yourself - me, my wife and grandmothers. Forcing to read, solving problems together, grandmothers help in English. and stories, we all play sports together. There is no hope for this school.
  22. +3
    12 January 2016 07: 48
    It is interesting that the "new history textbook" is almost written according to information from "Wikipedia"! (met such information).
    Those. not according to "historical sources" from archival documents, but according to materials from a site where anyone can write anything and how they want.
    On the Unified State Exam - almost universal cheating, teachers themselves contribute to this, otherwise the "event" will fail. I am generally silent about the quality of knowledge, the C-grade students of the 80s in terms of knowledge could now claim almost a "gold medal", probably ...
    It is also interesting that for some reason it is rarely possible to identify the author of such documents. There is a document, according to which children are taught throughout the country, but no author. Aliens planted? Or "partners"? ..
    1. +3
      12 January 2016 09: 30
      I doubt it about the C-grade students of the 80s with a gold medal. Even then, the disintegration began. My daughter was taught freehand drawing. But with my school knowledge, I would definitely graduate from the current school with a gold medal. Although not a fact - the Unified State Exam (in Kazakhstan UNT), any knowledge is reduced to a guess. Institute is the same song. What specimens come to our internship - dear mom! What anatomy, what physiology. I generally keep quiet about biochemistry! Initial skills are zero. Complete post-Soviet moronization of the population. Now all sovereign, independent and nezalezhni, the so-called states, first of all lead their children to sovereignty, independence and nezalezhni from the brain.
      1. +1
        12 January 2016 10: 01
        Quote: Glory to the KPSS and not only
        Already then the collapse began

        why would it be taught by inertia back in the early 90's on the Soviet program
      2. +1
        12 January 2016 10: 05
        And why am I wrong that you are minus?
        1. 0
          12 January 2016 11: 12
          in the fact that in the 80s they taught poorly
          1. 0
            12 January 2016 15: 21
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            in the fact that in the 80s they taught poorly

            But the collapse really began precisely then - culturally. According to misfortune, behavior is easy to trace. Culture sank, and in the 90s education too.
            My wife finished school in 2005, and at 4 - 5. I am an 87-year-old "child", a "round" C grade student. But I often laugh at my wife, because for her knowledge in my time they put 2! laughing And the fault is not in the wife, but in education. hi
            1. 0
              12 January 2016 17: 38
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              But the collapse really began precisely then - culturally. According to misfortune, behavior is easy to trace.

              we are talking about knowledge kind of like, not about ideology
  23. Darkoff
    +2
    12 January 2016 07: 51
    The main hope is that, finally, will completeЬXia era ...

    Hope a typo.

    I am grateful to the author for the work on the article, but put a minus. For this conclusion, which radically and negatively changes the attitude to the article and to the author:
    However, it’s not idealization, the Ministry of Education and Science tells us all. This is the standard! That is, the graduate of the school must possess, by definition, the only one with all types of thinking that officials recall.

    If the author has something to do with pedagogy, then he must understand that the school is not a factory, at the end of which absolutely identical products are obtained that fully comply with a certain standard. With regard to the formation of certain personal qualities, any standards should set the highest possible standard (benchmark), which both teachers and students should strive for. It is obvious that each graduate will reach exclusively his individual level of compliance with educational standards. And this level will be evaluated by grades in the certificate and exam points.
    What then, according to the author, should be the standard of education? He should correspond to the current state of affairs and state the sad facts instead of setting promising goals and objectives?
    And for the illustration, too minus. It illustrates not so much the state of our education as the state of our society as a whole. If there is no one else to educate this bather, besides school teachers, then this is not only a school problem. This bather is not primarily a graduate of the United States. And first of all, she is a member of our society. She is the daughter of one of us with you!
    1. +2
      12 January 2016 08: 26
      Quote: DarkOFF
      school is not a factory, at the exit of which absolutely identical products are obtained, which fully comply with a certain standard. ... any standards should set the bar as high as possible (benchmark), which both teachers and students should strive for. It is obvious that each graduate will reach exclusively his individual level of compliance with educational standards. And this level will be evaluated by grades in the certificate and exam points.

      ... I say - (judging by the photo illustration) the main thing: to teach not to drink vodka with beer ... and not to bite milk with cucumbers! This is the standard! ...
      ... haven’t tried it? What is the exam? ... what are the "marks" ...
      There "yes" and "no" - and a "passing certificate of a qualified consumer"! Go into your future life (zhist!) And consume in accordance with the standard - not the Federal State Educational Standard, but the SLDP-R - "the standard of the liberal-moronic consumer - Russian localization" ...
  24. +6
    12 January 2016 07: 58
    the completion of the reform process, which has been going on for two decades

    And this bacchanalia will continue until the ministers of education lose the urge to immortalize themselves in history with new transformations. Personally, I have a firm conviction that the enemies of our state are at the head of education. A solid C grade student of the Soviet era possessed a greater set of knowledge than an "excellent student" of the present time. The complete destruction of the system of Soviet school education took place in a planned manner and at the behest of clearly not Russians.
  25. +5
    12 January 2016 08: 03
    There is no hope for our school. Lectures on history, physics, chemistry, biology and geography he gave to children himself. I hope that now they will not get lost, either in the information sea or in a foreign country. I talked with a history teacher somehow - horrified. She has porridge in her head. Who taught her? Generation of the 90s.
  26. Riv
    +5
    12 January 2016 08: 08
    The author is somehow strange and I have the impression that he has no children of his own. How to drum into people that school is not responsible for their offspring? THE PARENTS ARE FIRSTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. Well, what difference does it make how many history textbooks a child has and which ones if mom and dad were never interested in history? What is the use of saying: "Our children are poorly taught" - if you yourself do not deal with them?

    They teach poorly - change school. There are no teachers who suit you - teach yourself. This morning I was late for work, I say to my daughter: "Take a walk with the dog." She: "Why me?" Me: "Because I said so." She takes a leash, goes to walk the dog ... After that, she has no questions when, after school, she needs to go to an English school or to judo. Such questions simply cannot appear. However, she likes judo and the threat to call the coach, to prohibit training works quite well.

    And if you moan about the school, it will never work. No one will seriously raise a child for the parents, and if you rely on the state in this matter, then there will be what is.
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 12: 14
      Quote: Riv
      And if you moan about the school, it will never work. No one will seriously raise a child for the parents, and if you rely on the state in this matter, then there will be what is.

      School also educates, because it is an "information field" ... often, especially now, it is a "field of miracles"!
      You. Significant, at home she had one story, and there she had another, exactly the opposite! Cognitive, it began to be, dissonance ... Only - at home after listening to a lecture from dad and mom - a plate of borscht and a cutlet, and at school - a failure in the Unified State Exam without the right to retake ... close the road to a university, a technical school, ... to work in "decent" firms with a decent salary ...
      ... And you thought: the Unified State Exam is only points and an assessment of "knowledge"? No, this is the imposition of an ideology and mentality in a foreign country, and in the most active mode! Where there is NTV, MatchTV and "Wuhu matzah" ... Management of the future online ...
      1. Riv
        +3
        12 January 2016 12: 30
        You contradict yourself. If the school is an information field, then it means it still provides information. So the problem is to figure this information out. Turn on the brain - and figure it out. But the school itself will not turn on the human brain, and it is not her duty, to be honest.

        Again, an example from life. I come home from work and ask: "Did you feed the animals?" Not fed. What are we waiting for? A kick in the ass? The eldest runs to the kitchen, drags food, pours it to the dog. How to feed the cat? I say: "Turn on your brain, don't be stupid." Aha! .. He climbs into the refrigerator, takes out an egg, breaks it into a bowl for a cat. The animals are happy. And if I had not reminded, the dog and the cat would have remained hungry.

        And this is the task: to make responsible for your flock. I believe that it is more important than not. You will not become a leader only due to strength and arrogance. The only important assessment is the one that society gives you. This assessment is always objective, because it is put together. And the exam is just an attempt to make the subjective assessment objective.
    2. 0
      13 January 2016 10: 32
      Sorry, but the difference in the textbooks is very big. There are math textbooks where the answers or problems are incorrect. There is a distortion of history. I teach OBZh, so in the last few years, textbooks have been generally dealt with. There is no practice. Lessons are cutting back. But we study the most important thing - the ability to live and defend. Slowly in schools, the works were removed, or they are being removed.
  27. +6
    12 January 2016 08: 09
    If you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children. Is that why in ancient times the winner took the children of the vanquished for the upbringing of himself? This is approximately what is being actively conducted in Russia.
    A vivid example of Ukraine. In Soviet times, gradually, at the kitchen level, the psychology of modern Ukraine was inculcated by ponad use. Now we have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vWWqlr0tc4
  28. +5
    12 January 2016 08: 11
    And then there is such a definition - "educational services". Pure idiocy !!! Shlola, secondary educational institution, higher educational institution should provide knowledge, and not provide educational services, and knowledge should be the criterion for assessing the activities of educational institutions.
    1. 0
      12 January 2016 13: 29
      And then there is such a definition - "educational services". Pure idiocy !!!


      What knowledge can be under capitalism, the main capitalist criterion is MONEY. That is, to sell the service of issuing a diploma at the highest possible price with the lowest possible cost. There is no place for knowledge.
  29. +3
    12 January 2016 08: 13
    Often heard the phrase * Ukraine slipped into the 90s * Since it was not a step that awaits Russia after GDP.
    Yesterday I watched a video where they interviewed the daughter of a sailor who died on KURSK so she says I don’t communicate with classmates, all of us Fascists go with a swastika angry these are Peter’s children glamorous boobies
  30. +3
    12 January 2016 08: 14
    It is interesting that the "new history textbook" is almost written according to information from "Wikipedia"! (met such information).
    Those. not according to "historical sources" from archival documents, but according to materials from a site where anyone can write anything and how they want.
    a textbook is money to the author. Therefore, here the situation is, as with questions for the USE - professionals should write, and approximate stupid people write, so that it can be handy to cut money.
  31. +2
    12 January 2016 08: 15
    I wonder who needs literate people? Navryatli state. The authorities have one slogan ... what’s not there, then we’ll buy ..., it looks like a slogan of a penostan.
  32. +1
    12 January 2016 08: 18
    Cons GEF preservation of a nationalist orientation .. Instead of intermingling peoples and nationalities into a single nation, education strengthens national independence. And what could it lead to?
  33. +4
    12 January 2016 08: 32
    There is no strategy in anything. Not in education, not in medicine, not in politics. There is a constant flea catching and the desire to copy anything from "there". Well, do not go to the Western tracing paper on our realities! Only Stalin's administrative and mobilization economy can still shake us up and prepare the ground for reforms. The clearing must be cleaned up.
    1. 0
      12 January 2016 12: 19
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Well, do not go to Western tracing paper on our realities! Only the administrative and mobilization economy of Stalin can still shake us and set the stage for reform. Clearing needs to be cleaned.

      According to the sensations, this is exactly what awaits us all approximately in 2017 ... I smell the liver ... and maybe something else ...
  34. +7
    12 January 2016 08: 33
    Dear, we argue, and meanwhile, in a neighboring village with a population of 3000, another school is closed, the collective is disbanded, this is called “optimization.” By the way, a year ago, they also closed the hospital, so what do we say next?
    1. 0
      12 January 2016 13: 31
      By the way, a hospital was also closed a year ago, so what do we say next?


      Your specific suggestions?
  35. +4
    12 January 2016 08: 37
    Such systemic processes as education, upbringing and training are, unfortunately, in the past. Today, children are given a set of knowledge, while not always of high quality. And if, after Gagarin’s flight, the Americans admitted that we won the race for the school desk, today we are getting closer and closer to the level of their educational school. And officials fulfill orders for the dibilization of society, for the education of the consumer. Their children all live in Cambridge and Yale, and then return to Russia to continue the reform of their parents. Unfortunately.
  36. +1
    12 January 2016 08: 38
    Something my flag is not native.
  37. +4
    12 January 2016 08: 42
    The main task of "our" government in the field of education is the moronization of the population. Why do slaves need brains, a pipe can be served by an uneducated one (the moderator does not pass a suitable word), besides, he does not ask "stupid" questions. So it turns out, there is no education, no medicine, vodka, tobacco, drugs are freely available - the "Ost" plan is in action, Adolf Hitler would be pleased with his followers, represented by "our" government.
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 11: 50
      To even serve the pipe, you need knowledge, and even more work skills.
  38. +5
    12 January 2016 08: 47
    What the President and his analysts can be blamed for is the lack of understanding of the state’s priorities. Education - youth - development of all areas of activity - strengthening of the state. Misunderstanding of this, failure to take measures to rectify the situation will lead to a state of vocational education. Already stepped on a rake once, why repeat. In general, it seems that the enemy grabbed the main links in the chain of our strength - finance, education and upbringing and sawing them, once sawing them off, and for the President these two issues are taboo. This is how this reform game from education looks.
  39. +2
    12 January 2016 08: 54
    Good photo for the article. So it is, the modern educational system - ASS on top, and with what they think, somewhere between the legs. And for the sake of brevity, under the photo the inscription is WITHOUT WORDS.
  40. +5
    12 January 2016 09: 19
    Read more the requirements of the Federal State Educational Standard for teaching staff - you will be surprised no less - they are just universal soldiers who must cut, sew and knit. Not only was the computerization of education first imposed on teachers under the guise of any "innovations", but now teachers cannot do anything if children with disabilities are brought to a class with ordinary children to study. No, I am not against in any case the joint education of disabled children in regular classes, but everything should be in moderation. And if this is a child with a mental disorder, mental retardation, or mental retardation in the form of debility. Why, then, should others suffer - normal children. And working with such children requires special training of teachers, knowledge of special and correctional pedagogy. And the school, according to the law on education, cannot refuse parents to accept such children for education. He can only recommend going to a specialized school.
    1. +6
      12 January 2016 09: 47
      The wife works at school, that's exactly how it is. And the new "universal" teachers who come are generally something with something: he laughed for a long time when he read a magazine filled with a teacher of Russian language and literature - I swear, I'm not lying mistakes in every third word
      1. +2
        12 January 2016 10: 07
        Yes, at least get involved, but one teacher cannot conduct mathematics, geography and drawing
        1. +4
          12 January 2016 10: 26
          I am a teacher-historian for the first higher education, a biologist (not a teacher), a candidate of biological sciences, a candidate for biological sciences, I defended my candidate in microbiology with a huge section in chemistry, at the school I teach (over 10 years) history, biology and chemistry. So you are wrong, one teacher can teach different subjects.
          1. +1
            12 January 2016 13: 43
            So you are wrong, one teacher can teach different subjects.


            Plus. He taught a bunch of subjects, from the design of locomotives, to computer science. And history is a favorite subject and always wanted to instill students' interest in it.
          2. 0
            12 January 2016 14: 34
            I would call you a pleasant exception to the rule. Because I’m not sure that all teachers leading several subjects at the same time have several specialized higher educations and do not teach simply because they could not find specialist teachers for each subject individually
        2. +2
          12 January 2016 10: 46
          And I led. In the Soviet rural school from 1977 to 1981. History, social studies, geography, English and ... labor. Then another year of drawing. There were 5 children in some classes. Didn't know what a sandwich is! "This is when they put sausage on the bread? This we know, but that the sandwich is not!" In 1980, the year of the Olympics, he explained to them what disposable tableware was, they wrote about it in the newspapers ... "These plates will not be enough for everyone!" - their opinion from the family. And all sorts of other miracles ... I wrote an article about it in the TEACHER'S NEWSPAPER. They answered - "the truth itself", "but live on the earth without clouds" and did not publish it, "after all, we are fighting this and sooner or later it will disappear!" Disappeared!
          1. 0
            12 January 2016 21: 59
            I wonder in which region?
    2. +1
      12 January 2016 09: 54
      We are not going anywhere from computerization, scientific and technological progress is still progress. And I agree about HIA, but here again everything depends on the parents: they must themselves understand what it will be difficult for the child to learn.
    3. +2
      12 January 2016 13: 34
      No, I am not in any way against the joint education of disabled children in ordinary classes, but everything should be in moderation.


      And I am against. In my first grade I had a kid with a prosthesis instead of a hand, so much as he had to endure ... Children are very susceptible to collective cruelty to those who do not look like them.
  41. +1
    12 January 2016 09: 31
    Yes, in medicine, too, we don’t.
    They planted doctors of the old school for buggy computers ...
  42. -3
    12 January 2016 09: 42
    Again an article about school with ignorance of school realities.
    1. The author begins with the fact that he hails the GEF. This document (in conjunction with the sample programs that follow it) is a blessing for both parents (student representatives) and teachers and officials. Since it allows you to demand its execution. For example, if the laboratory work in chemistry is not carried out (if it is indicated in the indicated documents), parents have the right to demand its conduct up to an administrative penalty for the school and the specific teacher. The teacher, in turn, has the right to demand from the school administration (for those who are especially smart: yes, I do this repeatedly and regularly) the supply of this or that equipment (of course, it is necessary to take into account economic realities and make compromises without requiring all at once). Also for those who don’t know, I’m reporting: there were similar documents at all times and with any system, they were called or adopted at a different level, but they were. I also inform you that the final result of the training (what a student should be and what he should know and be able to do) practically repeats what was written in Soviet documents.
    2. The only thing I agree with the author is the lack of hours. This is a relic of the zero, nineties and even eighties (and something even earlier) associated with the introduction of "undersubjects" (MHC, regional studies, computer science, etc.).
    3. Concerning the textbook. I consider stupidity any extreme as one textbook, and a bunch of different textbooks. If in history I agree with a creak to one textbook, then for the rest I am categorically against it. In most cases, textbooks differ not in the quality of the material (this is found, but less often), but in its presentation. For example, in chemistry, four lines of Rudzitis, two of the Kuznetsov and Gabrielyan, they are designed for different students and differ precisely in the presentation of the material: Rudzitis - simple in presentation, but not giving additional knowledge, L. Kuznetsova - chemistry for humanities and biologists, N. Kuznetsova - chemistry for chemists, Gabrielyan - chemistry for mathematicians and physicists. If you make a middle textbook, then it will seem difficult for a weak student to read, the humanities incomprehensible, and the mathematics uninteresting. City schools most often have the opportunity to form more homogeneous classes (it’s another matter that they don’t always want to do this), and if the textbook seems difficult, uninteresting, or weak for the whole class, then the whole class will not study. In rural schools, of course, this will not work, there you have to take the simplest textbook, for individual students additional. Another thing is that very often the teachers themselves or the school administration do not want to manipulate textbooks. By the way, this was also in Soviet times, inorganic and general chemistry of the teacher was taught by Rudzitis, and organic by Tsvetkova.
    1. 0
      12 January 2016 12: 34
      Quote: xorgi
      Again an article about school with ignorance of school realities.
      1. The author begins with the fact that he hails the GEF. This document (in conjunction with the sample programs that follow it) is a blessing for both parents (student representatives) and teachers and officials.

      I agree only with the 3rd paragraph! well, maybe since the 2nd ...
      And so - GEF: this is the "code of the builder of communism" for education; fulfill it even by 50% (percent ...) not technically feasible!
      ... it’s easier to fulfill the ten commandments ...
      1. +1
        12 January 2016 15: 23
        CONTROL FGOS about the student provides an ideal end result, and about the program: the FGOS contains the minimum required by the teacher, the school administration and officials; for this minimum, "5" is put, if your child received a "3" - this means he does not know the minimum recorded in the Federal State Educational Standard and there is no need to exaggerate about the "builder of communism" and "ten commandments" - there are requirements, but there are indicators. as I said, the requirements for a student are approximately the same as in Soviet documents, even a little simpler
    2. 0
      12 January 2016 13: 57
      Again an article about school with ignorance of school realities.


      Sorry, dear, but you do not know the school realities.

      For example, if laboratory work in chemistry is not carried out (if it is indicated in the indicated documents), parents have the right to demand its conduct up to an administrative penalty for the school and the specific teacher


      First, the punishment for "laboratory failure" was ALWAYS implied. KTP is a sacred thing. Another thing is that it is quite problematic to prove whether it was conducted or not. Moreover, the students are only too glad to be "not carried out". But here's what to do if the equipment for LR. Or reagents or something. If no money has been allocated for this, then who is the teacher to demand / punish? Headmaster? Livanov? Or GDP?


      The teacher, in turn, has the right to demand from the school administration (for those who are especially smart: yes, I do this repeatedly and regularly) the supply of this or that equipment (of course, you need to take into account economic realities and make compromises without requiring all at once).


      We take into account. They say that in recent years 4 Univer has not implemented a single application from our technical school. I can’t confirm it for 4 of the year. But this year they definitely said that nothing would happen. Extrabudgetary shortage. So I believe.
      1. -1
        12 January 2016 15: 16
        alicante11: "it is YOU who do not know school realities" - huh? I know less about school working at school than you do not working at a technical school?
        - students are not happy not to conduct laboratory work, even very
        - about the laboratory, it was specially spoken for members of the forum who shout: "we have no laboratory in chemistry" and explained what to do
        - the lack of money for reagents and equipment was also explained, the teacher is obliged to demand it from the director and appeal to the Federal State Educational Standard, of course, everything should be done bureaucratically, with pieces of paper
        - Money is always allocated, there is a separate article for this, another thing is where they go.
        1. -1
          12 January 2016 15: 59
          I work at school know less about school than you do not work at a technical school?


          I work there. And the eldest son goes to school, but I still show his parental interest in his studies.

          - students are not happy not to conduct laboratory work, even very


          Yeah, especially if you also need to protect them later. Although in schools this is not practiced.

          - the lack of money for reagents and equipment was also explained, the teacher is obliged to demand it from the director and appeal to the Federal State Educational Standard, of course, everything should be done bureaucratically, with pieces of paper


          Here we write, we write, I say, 4 of the year of the application and all written, and the rector has already changed, and when the application was refused this year, some hotheads suggested complaining above, but the dean (director of the technical school, which is now the faculty of STR) said that if we write, we will have a new dean, and there will be no other changes.

          - Money is always allocated, there is a separate article for this, another thing is where they go.


          Believe me, not always. Not from a good life, school principals arrange requisitions from parents. We even have extramural students who just wouldn’t learn, are ready to drag a half-electric locomotive from work to create mock-ups and stands. But at school the situation is this - a few years ago it was ordered to change the evacuation plans to glow in the dark. And no one has allocated money for these new plans. They are not foreseen in the budget for the year. And the directors of the school will be fined, not the city or district. So the school crawls into the parents' pocket for a fee for free education.
          1. -1
            12 January 2016 17: 20
            for the first time in my teaching practice I heard about laboratory ones that need to be protected.
            You confuse money for repairs and equipment - these are different budget items, for repairs there is always not enough yes
  43. +4
    12 January 2016 09: 42
    The publication of new textbooks, no matter what the nonsense they wrote, it’s cut the dough and no one will just refuse it
  44. +4
    12 January 2016 10: 05
    This year, the Ministry of Education recommended (and to be honest, it was simply imposed in all possible ways) a program for kindergartens in which there are several "non-traditional notions about the family", namely:
    - the main character is gender-neutral, that is, an asexual creature
    - families with two "dads" without a mother, and with two "mothers" without a father are considered.
    There are normal families too, but the main emphasis is on the fact that a family where parents of the same sex is normal.

    Thank God that the teachers were not so "advanced" and the majority (all of my friends) refused to work on this program
    Unfortunately I do not remember the name of the program.
    This is what concerns the kindergarten, but there’s no need to talk about school, the load on the children is enormous, you have to learn a lot, only they ask you to teach all kinds of nonsense.
    I have a nephew in elementary school, so they study a bunch of Japanese, Baltic and other foreign fairy tales and poems in literature (reading), and the works of our poets and writers occupy less than 10% of the total.
    And so on every subject.
    It seems that people in our ministry of education are sitting interested in the fact that the younger generation would grow up just dumb, unable to think independently, with perverted family values, etc.

    P.S. Cry from the heart
    1. -1
      12 January 2016 10: 10
      What nonsense, give a link to the document.
      1. +1
        12 January 2016 10: 23
        I will try to find.
      2. 0
        12 January 2016 10: 56
        All day I’ve been trying to delve into a new preschool program. Maybe someone is already familiar and satisfied, but I find fault?
        In general, the program is based on a fairy tale about Kronik. I am puzzled.
        That is:
        Heroes
        The chronicle is a white badger.
        Akrontel the Elder - grandfather, great scientist.
        Crotilda is a grandmother, a wonderful artist.
        Akrontel Sredny– dad Krontika, philologist.
        Kissia - cat-mother, adoptive mother of Krontik, wife of Akrontel Sredny, daughter-in-law of Akrontel the Elder and Krontilda.
        Elisa is a fox, a friend of Kronik.
        Usholybyty - a cat from the Akrontel family
        Kronik finds out that he is not a mole, but a badger

        The fact that the Kronik was white, and not striped, he always knew - how much he remembered. Even when he was very young, he compared his skin to his dad and was surprised that dad was striped, but he was not. He compared his skin with grandfather and grandmother and was again surprised. Both the grandfather and the grandmother had strips, but he, Kronik, did not have it. Even his adoptive cat mother was with stripes, and Kronik did not have a dash on his skin. The critic was almost reconciled with the fact that he was white, as a new misfortune fell on him. Before entering school, he learned that he was not a mole. It turned out that he was a badger. One thing was good in this situation: all his parents, except for the adoptive mother cat, were also badgers, not moles.
        And more
        When his grandfather was sitting at his desk, ALREADY lay on his shoulders like a collar, dozing and rattling with pleasure. When the cat fell asleep, saliva flowed from his half-open mouth. Part of the grandfather’s dressing gown very quickly became completely wet - even squeeze it, but the grandfather did not notice and did not complain: he worked. When Kronik was very small, he even made paper boats and let him down the river, which was made from cat saliva. Sometimes Kronik planted an ant or a ladybug in his boat, sometimes a spider or a small caterpillar. The river carried each of them from the office to the greenhouse, and from there carried it into the courtyard. There, in the courtyard, the swimming ended: saliva was absorbed into the ground and paper boats were aground.

        This is one of the forums on which this program is discussed: http://omsk.com/viewtopic.php?t=277182
        subsections about the Chronicle written a great many, if interested read.
        Maybe I find fault, but the kronik very often has questions about who it is and why it lives at all.
        1. +1
          12 January 2016 11: 34
          Thank you for something. This is an ADDITIONAL PRESCHOOL program, that is, if you want to send your child to a group with similar training, if you do not want - do not give it. Another thing is how society relates to this, for this there are discussions on different platforms. And then, I did not find anything "gender-neutral" (in those samples that I saw), at least not more than in Cheburashka, by the way, I wonder who it is. Forgive me not in a fairy tale bad thoughts are inherent, but in those who read: Moomins are gender-neutral, Carlson is a pedophile, Ivan Tsarevich is a bestiality, Elisha is a necrophile, and Buratino is generally a manual for a sex shop.
          1. +1
            12 January 2016 11: 49
            I’m not an expert in this field, I wrote about this program from the words of my friends’s kindergarten teachers,
            what I brought here are only those moments that were found in 20 minutes on the network.
            And the teachers of the kindergartens were sent to courses on this program, where they strongly recommended using it everywhere and everywhere, and they promised bonuses for working under this program. So, I simply have not heard other reviews about this program from educators.
        2. 0
          12 January 2016 12: 49
          Quote: Borisych69
          All day I’ve been trying to delve into a new preschool program. Maybe someone is already familiar and satisfied, but I find fault?
          In general, the program is based on a fairy tale about Kronik. I am puzzled.

          Yes?
          Then remember (if your age allows) when OUR cartoons by OUR authors began to appear on OUR television with the main - and secondary - heroes (positive!): Funny squids and octopuses, cute scorpions, adorable snakes and adorable spiders, devils ... all sorts of zombies ... and other "positive" monsters? And who - what authors - generated them? ...
          Remembered?
          It all starts with fairy tales for children ... And these fairy tales began to appear in our country BEFORE even Gorbachev with his "perestroika ...
      3. 0
        12 January 2016 12: 41
        I won’t give links, but the printed one is on Finnish, by the way, paper! - I have it. Scan, or what? ...
    2. 0
      12 January 2016 12: 39
      Quote: Borisych69
      This year, the Ministry of Education recommended (and to be honest, it was simply imposed by all possible means) a program for kindergartens

      You just don't know HOW and BY WHOM this "program" was promoted ... Not recommended, and not even imposed, but vpendyurena! ...
      1. 0
        12 January 2016 15: 31
        the program is not obligatory for execution, this is not the federal state educational standard, who forces it to be executed? the school has a federal state educational standard - obligatory for execution, and there are exemplary and author's programs, the latter are very often "vpendyuriyu", in history I work according to an exemplary curriculum, but in chemistry and biology - no, I have developed my own workers - they correspond correspond to the approximate and no one forces me
  45. +3
    12 January 2016 10: 37
    The strategy is to grow stupid consumers, and it is advisable to transfer all education to paid rails. That is the whole strategy.
  46. +3
    12 January 2016 10: 51
    Correct article, plus.
    ... somewhere "above" there are people who
    simply endless process of violence against the educational environment that does not lead to
    adequate result.

    By no means, the "process of violence against the educational environment" just leads to planned the result - the systematic collapse of the Soviet education system, which, by the way, has proven its worth in business.
    Students are persistently overloaded with excessive disciplines, thus striking a blow to the psyche and health.
    One of the wretched arguments of the "innovators", they say, in the century before last, lyceum students studied Latin (the Law of God, rhetoric, logic, history, geography, ancient Greek, only 8) and is comparable to the load on a modern student.
    А man has not changed, and if it has changed, it is not for the better (health and intelligence).
    And then happiness piled on in the face of an athlete-deputy Zhurova, with his golf (((
    PS
    I agree that learning foreign languages ​​is useful, but it should be a right, not an obligation.
    And now, in my opinion, they are imposing a quiet glanders, arguing that they care about citizens, under the threat of criminal liability, from water meters (heat) to various crap, without which we, such uneconomical and unreasonable, cannot live.
  47. +6
    12 January 2016 10: 54
    All this reformatory (and in fact - criminal !!!) activity of the Ministry of Education should be prohibited by law! Stop mocking education! These are not at all harmless "reform experiments", but deliberately criminal acts aimed at the collapse of the country and posing a threat to national security. URGENTLY, it is necessary to COMPLETELY replace the Ministry of Education with new literate people, patriots of the country and take a course towards returning the Soviet education system with the introduction of changes in accordance with the requirements of the XNUMXst century. WITHOUT THIS COUNTRY WILL COME TO A DISASTER !!!
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 11: 20
      The catastrophe has already come. Climbing out of what has already been accomplished will be sooooooooooooooooooooo Will to get out of the Elite of Moscow IS NOT and WILL NOT. It can only be deleted. Like a rotten tooth.
  48. +2
    12 January 2016 11: 17
    Legislatively return the Soviet system of education! Free ... Otherwise, we will turn into stupid amers ... And this is unprofitable!
    1. +2
      12 January 2016 14: 41
      To do this, it is necessary to legislatively nationalize education (to ban private, non-state schools and universities), and it is advisable to start issuing diplomas of an internal standard (so that they are not accepted in any country other than Russia, well, maybe, except for the nearest countries). But this, sadly, is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.
  49. +3
    12 January 2016 11: 33
    Through all the innovations of the Ministry of Education and Science it is necessary to let, first of all, the officials of this ministry. In particular, make them all go through the EG in all subjects. The results could be shown on TV in the section of humor or you can’t imagine on purpose. It’s just a mockery of students, teachers and parents. But after all, someone steers it all. All ministers are cardboard fools, fulfilling the will of the one who appoints them.
  50. +2
    12 January 2016 11: 41
    Quote: My address
    hi , Vlad.



    The reason is irresponsibility, in isolation. In a decent modern state, the average physician and teacher should treat and teach the elite. Otherwise, it is an indecent state and the elite, in fact, is not the elite, or the elite is not of this state. One hundred years ago, isolation led to a revolution.


    This is not a matter of "irresponsibility" at all, this is called criminal activity! The leadership deliberately destroys the main pillars of statehood. 1. The population should be illiterate and not be able to receive qualified medical care. The Bank of Russia is also not a national treasure of the country, Article 1 On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation: "The Bank of Russia is a legal entity. The Bank of Russia has a seal with the State Emblem of the Russian Federation and its own name." There is a systematic destruction of our Motherland!
  51. +1
    12 January 2016 11: 42
    Quote: Designer 1
    Constantly parents asked questions - what kind of "@@" "were they compiled textbooks of history, society ... in which there are no answers to the questions asked? And why such textbooks WERE IMPOSED FROM TOP?

    There is only one goal - to destroy the best education in the world, Russia. There is nothing more in these endless programs, competencies, etc. and so on. nonsense. I repeat, I just wrote about this.
    “It’s amazing that they are foisting Bologna education on us, and the West is quietly abandoning it completely. Finland has completely adopted Soviet education and has come out on top in Europe in terms of education among schoolchildren. This whole system adopted by us is fundamentally flawed and is intended only for destruction education in Russia. Some kind of competencies instead of knowledge. Competence is a very narrow circle of knowledge in a given field. In general, this is not knowledge, but a circle of concepts and definitions accepted without evidence. The output of such training is the consumer and that’s it. Not a human creator, and the consumer is a “ruminant.” Also in medicine. Some kind of scum, there are no other words, abolished the Hippocratic oath. “The Hippocratic oath is a medical oath that expresses the fundamental moral and ethical principles of a doctor’s behavior, as well as the common name for the oath taken by every who is going to become a doctor." Instead, they took the oath of a doctor. The oath is not a small thing. The liberal scoundrels from medicine have taken the moral core out of the medical profession. The output is again a “ruminant animal”. Now these so-called doctors knock out the brains of patients with boxing techniques if they don’t like something. The “Bologna system” in education, the “doctor’s oath” in medicine are all purposefully destroyed from within Russia. This is done by the liberal majority who have seized public administration in Russia. It is the president’s responsibility to see and understand this. Urgently, urgently, we need to change the vector of reforms in education and medicine. They should be aimed at preserving a person, his morality in accordance with traditional norms accepted in Russia, level of education, physical and moral health. The time has come to evaluate everything that has happened and continues to happen within the country. The country's soul is being turned inside out by liberal bastards. Everything is for sale, everything is devoured by economism, like a worm that has penetrated into all aspects of human life and activity. We are being destroyed from within.
  52. +4
    12 January 2016 11: 51
    The entire staff of the Ministry of Education should be fired. How long can you bully students and their parents?
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 14: 54
      Dismissal is not enough, GO TO THE LUGGING!
      1. +2
        12 January 2016 18: 20
        Quote: dr. sem
        AT THE LESOPING FALL

        And I agree with this, it’s time to take drastic measures. I just think that we’ll rather go to that very logging site and go. We do not fit into the structure of the Bologna pug.
  53. +1
    12 January 2016 12: 09
    The photo with the girl is good))
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 15: 43
      Look in VKontakte, there are plenty of 10-18 year old youngsters in all poses! I accidentally came across one whose pages contain such photos - a carriage! and they won’t jail anyone! You can’t even complain about such a group!
      I would give real deadlines for this! both those who take photographs and those who are photographed
    2. 0
      12 January 2016 18: 24
      Well, Nevsky, there are no words. Six months ago they would have written it completely differently. Therefore +. And as if they wrote it - in private.
  54. Cat
    -1
    12 January 2016 12: 22
    Historian is the third oldest profession (if you count journalists as the second). Although I would put her in second place. And in terms of harm - even in the first place.
    1. 0
      12 January 2016 15: 49
      there is no need to confuse your Kyiv people with our Russian ones
      1. 0
        12 January 2016 19: 00
        So the Russian ones are better? And the Soviet ones were even better, weren’t they?
        How then can we explain this: In 1957, a 6-volume HISTORY OF THE WWII was published. Major work, right?! So in its third volume, Khrushchev is mentioned 39 times, Stalin – 19, Zhukov – 4, and Hitler – 76! In 1966, the first volume of “History of the Second World War” was released in 12 volumes (the last one appeared in 1982), but the same story repeated itself there: Brezhnev was mentioned 24 times, Stalin - 17, Zhukov - 7, Vasilevsky - 4, Khrushchev - 7 and this is for the ENTIRE EDITION! You can go to the library yourself, take it, turn all the pages and check it. And this is the story of the GREAT WAR?
        1. 0
          12 January 2016 20: 05
          For you, gentlemen of the Krajina, this happens twice a month, depending on the arrival of the curator
  55. +2
    12 January 2016 12: 35
    We need to talk about textbooks, but we need to talk many times more about teachers. Who teaches children in schools now? Those who teach, among whom there are a lot of those who should not be allowed near the school!!! What will they teach children?! The Old Guard of teachers is gone now, and the new ones will never become the Guard, except for a few of them.
  56. +5
    12 January 2016 12: 36
    Well, the main thing is that Putin is satisfied with the work of the government. And in relation to education, and in relation to medicine, and in relation to social policy, and so on, so on, so on...
    Just one example: after the collapse of the USSR, queues lined up for our scientists, offering any conditions as long as they came and worked for other countries. Because they understood that in front of them were people capable of resolving almost any issue. The Soviet school taught us to think, and not to memorize, secondary and higher education was aimed at further developing a person’s abilities, a person’s desire for self-education was considered the norm, and not some kind of whim from the series “What do you want to do, what should you do? and in the box we’ll stare at the next psychics and deputies.” Does anyone need our scientists now? Is someone leaving? Perhaps only a few. And not at all because we have created ideal conditions for research here, no. Because these are already products of the Yeltsin-Soros educational program, where they only teach to cram and consume. These are the sad things we have with you...
  57. +3
    12 January 2016 12: 42
    Here, for some reason, completely different conclusions arise than those that an evil “wizard” sits and haunts society. For some reason, in recent years there has been such a trend in all areas of production and institutions that some unnecessary departments and branches are being created that are engaged in IBD (imitation of vigorous activity), and do not allow them to calmly carry out their official duties on the ground and in the workshops. And if you look regarding the personnel composition of these departments, rooms, branches, a lot of questions arise, to put it mildly. There are also quite a few questions for Moscow. There, in this regard, the Government has left everything to chance. Many enterprises with their head office in our capital have created their own “state” in the State, where essentially no one bothers anyone. Our Ministry of Education has not escaped this problem either. It would not hurt for the Government to deal not only with the distribution of the country’s budget, its rational use, as well as develop a system for monitoring the work of enterprises and institutions. And the reorganization of the internal financial policy of our leading economic “locomotives” of the country could provide truly inexhaustible opportunities for the development of not only these enterprises, but also the well-being of citizens.
  58. +1
    12 January 2016 14: 08
    In short, we can say that we are finishing off the remnants of Soviet school education. This “our” government does not need an intelligent and creatively thinking graduate. That is why there is a leapfrog of “innovations”.
  59. -6
    12 January 2016 14: 12
    This is nonsense, education should be narrowly specialized, and not this torture of people with the stupid goal of teaching everything that is necessary and not needed for subsequent work.
    1. +2
      12 January 2016 14: 59
      Knopkotyk has no need for education at all...
      1. -2
        12 January 2016 15: 07
        Quote: dr. sem
        Knopkotyk has no need for education at all...

        Buttoncat is the secretary. And the programmer first thinks carefully, and only then writes the code.
    2. +2
      12 January 2016 18: 50
      Quote: Lazy dog
      This is nonsense, education should be narrowly specialized,

      For lazy people, I would cancel it completely.
      1. -3
        12 January 2016 18: 55
        Quote: Karabin
        For lazy people, I would cancel it completely.

        It is not necessary to be lazy and can understand if you don’t learn anything at all, it will be bad later. You need some things for your future work activities, but you don’t need everything in a row, it’s better to play on the computer and lie on the sofa.
  60. +1
    12 January 2016 14: 36
    One gets the impression that somewhere “at the top” there are people who simply benefit from the endless process of violence against the educational environment, which does not lead to an adequate result. A kind of controlled chaos in a single industry of the country; moreover, in an industry that, by definition, is strategic for any state that really intends to defend its interests and develop.
    Hmm... The industry is strategic for the state - this is true, but for the parasitic provisional government, the destruction of this industry is necessary for the sake of its own existence. It is necessary to drive future generations into a certain, very limited and narrow discourse, to format thinking for solving only minimal and permanent problems (eating, copulating, having fun), to deprive the possibility of critical thinking, to the extent possible creative and generally imaginative thinking, and to completely drive philosophical thought into stone Age. The ideal result of such an education is a consumer who increases the income of individuals from the resale of imported goods, does not interfere with the self-enrichment of the government from the oil pipeline, and (preferably) dies on the day of retirement. Capitalism, however...
  61. -1
    12 January 2016 14: 52
    The Russian Federation is not the USSR. There is no and cannot be an educational strategy in the Russian Federation. An educational institution and a teacher are obliged to help the student in realizing the educational goals that he has set for himself.
    1. -3
      12 January 2016 14: 54
      Quote: iouris
      The Russian Federation is not the USSR. There is no and cannot be an educational strategy in the Russian Federation. An educational institution and a teacher are obliged to help the student in realizing the educational goals that he has set for himself.

      Speaking right. Education should help a person in those areas in which he has abilities, and not push all sorts of crap without fail.
      1. +1
        12 January 2016 22: 47
        Judging by your style and way of thinking, this is not a topic in which you are an expert. I just stated the official position of the Ministry of Education, as they say, nothing personal.
        On my own behalf, I can add especially for you that, of course, you need to know well what is necessary to perform the function. However, in order to know WHAT to know, unfortunately, you have to know a lot. But the learner cannot know much, and most learners do not want to know. They believe that a mobile phone will find everything on the Internet.
        1. 0
          13 January 2016 13: 28
          Quote: iouris
          you can find everything on the Internet

          And what’s wrong is that you can quickly find the necessary information on the Internet.
          Quote: iouris
          However, in order to know WHAT to know, unfortunately, you have to know a lot.

          To determine this, you don’t need abstruse professors, just ask your employers.
    2. 0
      12 January 2016 14: 56
      Cattle also have no strategy. There is a task: to devour and not be eaten. Do you propose to continue to live not among people?
  62. +3
    12 January 2016 14: 58
    In the meantime, textbooks from Soros are making their way into schools amidst heated chatter and incomprehensible movements. How this ends can be seen in the examples of Ukraine, Europe, and the United States itself.

    For the amers, in the history textbook, the entire Second World War is El Alamein, the second front (which is declared the first and only). The Stalingrad battle is mentioned in a footnote, in three lines, of which it is not even clear who fought with whom - either the USSR with Hitler, or Hitler together with the USSR against Western values. No one has even heard of the fact that more tanks fought on the Kursk Bulge than in all the allied countries during the entire period of participation in the war combined.
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 15: 05
      I don’t understand how “stupid Americans” and their internal history textbooks relate to the terrible situation in the field of education that we have now.
      1. 0
        12 January 2016 15: 14
        American education standards are being introduced; servility to the West (which flourished wildly in the 90s) has not yet been eliminated; And, textbooks printed by them are directly introduced at their expense.

        The villains are in our education system; These are our villains, but they are Westerners"help"And they are used.

        Example: who said that there should be a LOT of history textbooks? Tolerants said this. For example, I am not in favor of a single textbook, but I am also strongly against having a hundred of them. And, in general, why did I have to look for a specific textbook for my daughter? Not a history textbook, but some kind of Istorievich’s textbook? And that’s exactly what happened.
    2. 0
      12 January 2016 18: 13
      But they have the History of the Second World War in 99 volumes, and we have... in 12! Directly proportional to our contribution, right? And at first, in the USSR there were generally 6, then by 1982 they made 12. Then they started doing it again and made... 12. They just posted it on the Internet. I open... "In 1944, the T-34/85 tank entered service, which allowed..."
      But it’s wrong to write like that in the HISTORY OF THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR!
      This is permissible to write in a book for 4th grade! Because it is necessary to indicate in what month they were accepted, when they started releasing them, how many and when they entered the troops, and when they took part in the battles and in what quantity! With links to documents! This is how books like this should be written! And it wasn’t the victims of the Unified State Exam who wrote it. This was written by guys in big uniforms! And why are we better than the Americans then?
  63. +5
    12 January 2016 15: 02
    About that and speech ... crying
  64. +4
    12 January 2016 15: 42
    let's howl less and scold the Chubais and Stools...

    Wish me good luck :)
    Yesterday I approached the director of the school I was graduating from and offered my hands and head. We are planning to open a group to study the basics of electronics. Electronics, programming, microcontrollers, robotics.
    Today we talked in more detail. So far there are two problems: I do not have a pedagogical education (but I have experience in running clubs), funding (but they promised to help through the regional Duma). Maybe something will work out :)

    let's work with children! they are our pension :)
    Devastation, it's in our heads!

    If it works out, I’ll ask on the forums to send boards with parts and various motor small things, you’ll see, we’ll also have Specialists: electronics engineers, programmers, roboticists.
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 20: 56
      sound thought. If you need paper help (drawing up a program, literature), please contact me in a personal message. Unfortunately I can't help you with money lol
      1. 0
        12 January 2016 21: 42
        It will be very necessary if you have real experience in pedagogical activities at the level of clubs on similar topics. You can write me a personal message and I’ll send you my website :)
  65. -1
    12 January 2016 15: 53
    The current education system is bad because of the desire to make a unicumanoid out of a person. What is generally useless, left-wing knowledge will still not help when getting a job, besides, most normal people will resist this by salting, sleeping, playing on the phone in non-core classes. And subsequent exams and tests force the student to commit crimes: cheating and even giving bribes. Yes, yes, corruption is created by the current education system.
    It turns out that the efforts made to create a “highly developed personality” out of a normal person for some reason are a failure. It didn’t turn out to be a Unicumanoid, and even the graduate will have bad words for the mess he created during his studies. What if the training is also paid? A person ends up paying money for something he doesn’t need.

    Criticize, make suggestions.
    Even at school, from the 5th grade, you can identify a student with a technical or humanitarian mindset. Divide into specialized classes with different training programs. Where the study of some sciences will prevail over others. And in the 9th or 11th grade, depending on the place of further education, tutors still do this, but the school should prepare the student for entry into the specialty of his choice.
    In secondary specialized and higher educational institutions, it is necessary to eliminate the compulsory study of non-core subjects completely, and in return increase the study of core subjects, and especially practice. As everyone knows, theory is boring nonsense, but practice is powerful. And the student will be pleased and interested, and in the future he will graduate as a more prepared person, and accordingly he will be able to work better.

    Henna, henna - the unique people will begin. But they are wrong; they will have the opportunity to study non-core subjects on a voluntary basis. And our right to study only what we came for will not be violated. Everything is fair!
    1. +1
      12 January 2016 16: 21
      “Lazy guy,” I’m sorry, of course, but judging by the spelling and style, you are either a schoolboy or somewhere nearby... Am I mistaken?
      The fact is that even God does not know what professions will be needed in 10-15-20, etc. years.
      So, about “early narrow profiling” - this is for fortune tellers.
      1. -2
        12 January 2016 16: 38
        Quote: dr. sem
        “Lazy guy,” I’m sorry, of course, but judging by the spelling and style, you are either a schoolboy or somewhere nearby... Am I mistaken?

        You're wrong. From an education point of view, at the moment I am struggling with a higher correspondence course to become a programmer. And he already suffered through secondary vocational training or as a programmer and, accordingly, completed 9 years of school.
        Regarding spelling, I am in favor of the Chinese version. Let there be two language options.
        1) Simplified for the common people.
        2) The second one is for all sorts of intellectuals and linguists.
        Quote: dr. sem
        The fact is that even God does not know what professions will be needed in 10-15-20, etc. years.

        Surprises are possible. But the same designer has been in demand for many centuries, and most likely there will be many more. So it is possible and necessary to predict more or less, this is better than learning everything on the principle that maybe it will come in handy. And in the new, old specialized knowledge is more likely to help than left-wing knowledge.
        1. 0
          12 January 2016 18: 16
          This is where the path to the Morlocks and Eloi begins. Flag in hand!
          1. 0
            12 January 2016 18: 21
            Quote: kalibr
            This is where the path to the Morlocks and Eloi begins. Flag in hand!

            How scary it sounds, coming from a unique mouth.
        2. 0
          12 January 2016 22: 54
          A computer is fast. The programmer is an intermediary between the algorithm developer and the computer. In the USA they try to hire “special” people as programmers. And it is right.
          1. 0
            13 January 2016 13: 31
            Quote: iouris
            The programmer is an intermediary between the algorithm developer and the computer.

            Not really, it's more of a coder. The programmer must come up with an algorithm himself using the materials provided to him.
            Quote: iouris
            In the USA they try to hire “special” people as programmers. And it is right.

            What kind of “special” people are there?
  66. +3
    12 January 2016 16: 00
    2 years ago I was not lazy and downloaded educational programs from about 6-8 universities in the country. Profile: electronics (industrial electronics, communications, etc.).
    I read it and cried!
    I think I posted it here, but I could be wrong!
    History of Russia, Cultural Studies, and forty more bad subjects for the first 2-3 years!
    PEOPLE! wake up! I want to quickly go over physics, and then: analog and digital electronics, electric drives, a little chemistry at the level of “understanding what’s going on in the electrolyte,” the basics of programming, communications, and so on, according to the profile of the profession... and I have to cook, reluctantly an essay on nuclear physics, then on poetry... nonsense!
    1. -1
      13 January 2016 01: 07
      SanSeich, you are both right and wrong.
      Firstly, there are still not forty such items, their number (by the hour) is limited. This was the requirement of the Bologna system - 20% of the time for this.
      Secondly, according to the new Federal State Educational Standards, there is less time for such crap. Although at the same time there is less of it for other items. Physics/mathematics is the only way to skim, not really study.
      Thirdly, in Soviet universities we also studied history, philosophy, political economy, distortions of bourgeois philosophies and much more...
      And fourthly... Honestly, the presence of pseudosciences in the curriculum: cultural studies, philosophy, economics is not the worst thing in our higher education. And if it does not help in becoming a specialist, then at least it will not interfere with this development.
      1. +1
        13 January 2016 06: 59
        For me personally: all this is unnecessary!
        a course in history, literature, cultural studies - school (a good school, not Fursenkov’s) is enough.
        But in-depth study of a foreign language for a technical specialist in the current situation, when 99.99% of parts and 90% of programs are foreign, is a must! so as not to translate Con. Ant. like "against ant" instead of "Connector, Antenna" :)

        We have good universities - the cat cried! over the years of searching, I found only TUSUR - they really please with the methods of working with students and potential employers, and SibGUTI - serious theoretical training and the availability of personnel (which decide everything)
        1. 0
          13 January 2016 13: 36
          Quote: SanSeich
          But in-depth study of a foreign language for a technical specialist in the current situation, when 99.99% of parts and 90% of programs are foreign, is a must! so as not to translate Con. Ant. like "against ant" instead of "Connector, Antenna" :)

          Why are translators trained? Let them translate.
          1. 0
            13 January 2016 20: 29
            haha
            you are our naive neighbor)))
            to translate specialized texts well, you need to be in the know :) that is, the best translation is only where the translation was done by a person with the appropriate education and experience
            And in the books of foreign authors there is a lot of nonsense and mistakes! believe me, as a scientific editor)) I have a friend (I already published his thoughts here): “electronics engineer” + translator. Sometimes he sends me the source texts “just to laugh”. When the author is unable to apply Ohm's law and calculate the resistance of the resistor in the LED circuit. And the translator edits: he makes notes. Often corresponds with the authors, finding out what and how.
  67. +1
    12 January 2016 16: 26
    Gentlemen are the deciders of modern education in Russia, why do I understand that the system needs to be returned? USSR and you are not? You're all professors there... why doesn't it dawn on you that your damn decisions only work to dull our children?
    1. -4
      12 January 2016 16: 56
      Quote: Virus 2015
      Gentlemen are the deciders of modern education in Russia, why do I understand that the system needs to be returned? USSR and you are not? You're all professors there... why doesn't it dawn on you that your damn decisions only work to dull our children?

      I don’t see any particular advantages of Soviet Education other than its great accessibility. Although maybe that's not how I imagine him.
      1. -1
        12 January 2016 17: 31
        No way to downvote and reply. Well, okay, Soviet education is better than what we have now. I agree, it’s better at least for its accessibility. But it’s also bad, I’m for narrow-profile.
  68. 0
    12 January 2016 17: 01
    will completeьXia era of reform of the educational system

    Who writes about education like that..... Read this?
  69. -2
    12 January 2016 17: 18
    "Lazy guy", I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. GOOD LUCK with "TWO LANGUAGES"!
    1. -3
      12 January 2016 17: 27
      Quote: dr. sem
      I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. GOOD LUCK with "TWO LANGUAGES"!

      In fact, this is how it is. The majority already write and speak poorly, but everyone is illiterate in their own way. But we can somehow generalize this by creating simplified rules of the Russian language.
      Quote: dr. sem
      The fact is that even God does not know what professions will be needed in 10-15-20, etc. years.

      I’m telling you that most professions will be in demand in 20 years. Compared to 1995, most professions remain. New things have appeared in them, but the professions themselves remain.
  70. +1
    12 January 2016 17: 43
    By the way, by the way. laughing

    The article is not needed at all. The illustration that is posted and the title are enough. And everything becomes clear.
  71. +2
    12 January 2016 17: 52
    To the author - a big human thank you... So that the Ministry of Education may die from hiccups... I’ll say a seditious thought: even in Ukraine, education was more professional (though due to poverty).
  72. +1
    12 January 2016 18: 17
    Quote: Lazy dog
    Quote: dr. sem
    Knopkotyk has no need for education at all...

    Buttoncat is the secretary. And the programmer first thinks carefully, and only then writes the code.


    What are you saying?!!!!! Seriously? A programmer thinks and then writes. Laughed for a long time!!! laughing And the men don’t know! wassat I have been working here for 20 years in this specialty. Well, I can say with authority that 80% of programmers, especially “Tatzhiks from the Web” (I have nothing against Tatjiks, it’s just an established term) live in the version of “h..yak, h..yak and in production!” This is especially evident among young “specialists”. And the further it goes, the worse it gets. People like this come for an interview, and they don’t even have basic knowledge; they can only narrow it down, they just fiddle around with it. But he can’t do simple basic things and doesn’t even know where to dig. But every second “notable startupper” dreams of selling to Google for 100500 million.
    1. -1
      12 January 2016 18: 27
      Quote: cobra77
      Well, I can say with authority that 80% of programmers, especially “Tatzhiks from the Web” (I have nothing against Tatjiks, it’s just an established term) live in the version of “h..yak, h..yak and in production!”

      You hit the chip laughing I'm also from the Web, but for this
      Quote: cobra77
      "h..yak, h..yak and into production!"
      They pay quite decently, especially by the standards of a provincial Belarusian city.
      And it’s us who are still copying pieces of code, replacing something, rather than mashing buttons like secretaries under the dictation of the boss.
      Quote: cobra77
      and there’s not even basic knowledge, here it’s narrow, I’ve been poking around. But he can’t do simple basic things and doesn’t even know where to dig.

      And here, by the way, it’s a fair amount of fault of the educational institution, that they shoved all kinds of left-wing garbage and didn’t add what was needed.
    2. +1
      12 January 2016 21: 46
      when my brother’s friend comes asking for help with program analysis (assm for i51), he goes for a diploma, but does not understand what an interrupt is, because he does not know subroutines, since he has not learned the “counter-pointer to the address of the command being executed” - tears!
  73. +1
    12 January 2016 18: 20
    Quote: Designer 1
    - Sounds dubious. No matter who and no matter how compiled the textbook, the laws of physics do not change from this. If "e = ms (square)", then it will be so forever and ever. Amen. It's the same with mathematics.

    Oh, it's not that simple! I have been working at school for 30 years with a mathematics program, for example in the 5th grade in the 80s and now “heaven and earth”, the program was stronger, they gave more knowledge. And now, for six months in the 5th grade, I haven’t given anything new to the children, because... For 4 months we have been duplicating almost 4th grade (but according to the program). And in the 9th grade, it’s just a shame that the OGE materials do not reflect the true knowledge of students. And every year in our field they do not improve knowledge, but lower the score bar by three, but everything is decorous and noble.
  74. +2
    12 January 2016 18: 37
    Quote: Lazy dog
    Quote: iouris
    The Russian Federation is not the USSR. There is no and cannot be an educational strategy in the Russian Federation. An educational institution and a teacher are obliged to help the student in realizing the educational goals that he has set for himself.

    Speaking right. Education should help a person in those areas in which he has abilities, and not push all sorts of crap without fail.


    Well, at 19-20 years old, you can probably still endure such a blizzard. Because maximalism and infantilism. But with experience and age you realize that such ideas are crazy. Education, especially school education, should be comprehensive and multidirectional. For this is the basis of all future life, education and work. I fell in love with him and it will be extremely difficult to catch up. Most will never be able to, because they are lazy or have no time. Thank God I graduated from school at the end of Soviet education. But I already found higher education at the moment of its active collapse in the 90s. But it’s not as trash as it is now, there are still old teachers left, they haven’t cut everything and everyone off yet. My eldest son is going to school this year and I’m already in full hmmmm... well, you understand, from what I see at school. But I’m in St. Petersburg and the school where my son and physicist will go. Lyceum, in the top 500 schools in the Russian Federation.

    What are your abilities, you will know well if by the end of school (this means you are lucky with your education and parents). Most people don’t know this even at 30 and 40 years old. By the way, please clarify what you understand by the word “all sorts of crap”?
  75. 0
    12 January 2016 18: 51
    Quote: cobra77
    What are your abilities, you will know well if by the end of school (this means you are lucky with your education and parents). Most people don’t know this even at 30 and 40 years old. By the way, please clarify what you understand by the word “all sorts of crap”?

    Non-core subjects, for example, for a programmer: Physics, Chemistry, Philosophy, Sociology, Foreign Language, Economics, Engineering Graphics and a bunch of others, the knowledge of which is extremely unlikely to be needed in future work as a programmer; I have never needed it in 2 years. But they could have taught more programming instead.

    It is more difficult to study for a specialty at school, but in the chosen direction it is quite possible, and in the latter. before entering the class, you need to prepare for it, no matter who has the opportunity, they do it with the help of tutors.
  76. +4
    12 January 2016 19: 12
    I studied at a school in the USSR. Didn't go to college. I joined the army. Passed. In the second year of service, having looked at the people around me, and having received the unspoken support of my colleagues + the full approval of the unit commander, I began intensive preparation for entering a university, on my own. After the army I immediately got married, but passed the entrance exams and started studying. During their studies, our teachers did not take bribes (even very large ones), so they taught and studied with all their might, without any discounts on anything. I still cannot remember these ascetics without respect. But... Two years ago they sent me young engineers who graduated from one of the respected universities, after which my opinion about education completely died. Yes, they are young! They will take theirs. Yes, they will learn on the spot, just like us. But who even graduates from high school?! Definitely neurasthenics who can’t do anything without tutors. Just business... Loot.
  77. 0
    12 January 2016 19: 19
    Well. Have you let off some steam, gentlemen, commentators? And Vaska listens and eats, simultaneously crippling the youngest and most vulnerable generation with “education.” And there is no government either for the Livanov-Fursenkos or for FIRO. Did they send them to us? or are they inevitable like winter? No, to paraphrase a saying from the times of Stalin, every problem has a name. They were appointed by the authorities, which the majority here elected by party and by name, and in less compelling cases are ready to break their ass for the British flag, for the sake of the most publicized representatives of this government. So ask those you chose. If you can, which I highly doubt. Well, or send a petition to the GDP. So they say and so, Nadezh-Tsar, maybe you don’t know, because you’re busy with Hitroplanes, what your boyars are doing out of education. Rein them in, direct them to the desired point, drive them out, imprison them, shoot them. But don't be fooled. The hated Fursenko is now his adviser. But those who opposed this system were removed from the teaching community. Only a few did not give up. What do you want from other teachers? Why would they be left without work?
  78. +2
    12 January 2016 19: 21
    Quote: Lazy dog
    You hit the chip I'm also from the Internet, but for this


    I'm not from the web, I'm a system developer, but I'm familiar with the web from freelancing.

    Quote: Lazy dog
    They pay quite decently, especially by the standards of a provincial Belarusian city.
    And it’s us who are still copying pieces of code, replacing something, rather than mashing buttons like secretaries under the dictation of the boss.


    My friend, you overestimate copy-paste and poking around with frameworks and underestimate the work of the same secretary/assistant.
    They're just different jobs. You can learn to write for the web in a year. I have personally seen more than one of these. True, the result is mediocre to say the least.

    Quote: Lazy dog
    And here, by the way, it’s a fair amount of fault of the educational institution, that they shoved all kinds of left-wing garbage and didn’t add what was needed.


    Naturally the fault is educational. But what is considered bullshit? During an interview, for example, I ask about finite state machines and binary trees, and they look at me with wide eyes. But the person knows what JQuery is, he picked it. In my opinion, like a house, education must have a foundation, because everything else is built on it. And this is often called “garbage” by students and schoolchildren. But should they decide that it's bullshit or not? No. They do not yet have the experience or knowledge to make such decisions.
  79. -1
    12 January 2016 19: 30
    Quote: cobra77
    My friend, you overestimate copy-paste and poking around with frameworks and underestimate the work of the same secretary/assistant.
    They're just different jobs. You can learn to write for the web in a year. I have personally seen more than one of these. True, the result is mediocre to say the least.

    Eh, don't tell me. To become a Weber from scratch is a feat. I remember a person with a higher economics diploma and normal grades came to us, but he couldn’t leave after a month and a half. And so, knowing some C++, you can understand something in PHP within a month. But an ordinary secretary, you know, write to yourself from dictation or other texts, and give it to him, give it to him, nothing fancy.
    Quote: cobra77
    Naturally the fault is educational. But what is considered bullshit? During an interview, for example, I ask about finite state machines and binary trees, and they look at me with wide eyes. But the person knows what JQuery is, he picked it. In my opinion, like a house, education must have a foundation, because everything else is built on it. And this is often called “garbage” by students and schoolchildren.

    I wrote all sorts of outright bullshit
    Quote: Lazy dog
    Physics, Chemistry, Philosophy, Sociology, Foreign Language, Economics, Engineering Graphics and many others
  80. +1
    12 January 2016 19: 52
    They need to be judged. War now does not begin in the trenches, as in the 20th century, wars in the 21st century begin in school and university corridors. This must be firmly remembered; those who do not understand will suffer defeat in the trenches.
  81. +1
    12 January 2016 22: 18
    SO, CITIZENS FORUM MEMBERS! AND NOW EVERYONE QUICKLY CREATE REPORTS ON THE WRITTEN COMMENTS IN SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR THE ADMIN, MINISTRY OF EDUCATION, MINISTRY OF DEFENSE, MINISTRY OF MASS COMMUNICATIONS AND CONNECTIONS...CONDUCT THEMATICALLY POST PHOTOS AND VIDEOS ABOUT ITS CLASS HOUR ON THE SITE.. .
  82. 0
    13 January 2016 00: 01
    Quote: nils
    The Minister of Education and Science of Russia Livanov said that his department rejected the idea of ​​introducing a single history textbook in Russian schools - instead, a single historical and cultural standard will be developed that will become the basis for the development of textbooks.
    Those. the practice of different textbooks with the erosion of historical facts will continue.

    You see how things turn out. One textbook - one manufacturer. The means of production necessary to implement a program of this scale are now concentrated in the hands of you-know-who - the oligarchy. One producer - “monopoly!!111”, “they sold out!!!11”, “the West bought everything with giblets!!!111”, and the like. A unified standard for textbooks makes it possible to spread production, as well as the right to create these same textbooks, throughout the country, thus stimulating production locally, in the regions, excluding such monopolization at the legislative level - one, discarding any slag printed not according to this standard - two.
    Quote: tank64rus
    I have been teaching in higher education since 90, but we have now reached such nonsense in higher education that we can only talk about deliberate betrayal and sabotage, and this is the main danger for Russia.

    It’s a well-known fact: most universities switched to assembly line sales of crusts from those very 90s, stretched over a period of 4 to 6 years. No way: the sucker pays, gets the crust, and after us there may be a flood. It is you who, with your approach to the learning process: the sale of tests, course papers, abstracts and other little things like RGR-ok and diagrams have corrupted and trampled into the mud the entire learning process. Who wrote dissertations for all sorts of stupid people, a la businessmen, so that these same “businessmen” could later receive an academic degree for quite some non-illusory money, huh? Where was your pride in science at that moment? The number of teachers who know their subject and know how to interest the audience at a particular university can be counted on one hand. The rest go there to “earn money”, forcing students to sell their last shirt with a smart look on their drunken/smoky face, while demonstrating “pride” in science and other nonsense. You are strange people in general: with your own hands you ruined, corrupted and vulgarized the entire process of acquiring knowledge, and now you cry: “AAAA, Fursenko/Putin/enter a scapegoat, he’s fucked up the country!” You are funny, by God.
  83. +1
    13 January 2016 05: 00
    At all times, old people grumbled at the youth whether they were being taught correctly or incorrectly, but no one asked them what the youth themselves thought about it. At one time, I studied well at school, but never read either “War and Peace” or “A.Karenina” somehow didn’t understand how M. Gorky’s “Petrel” could be a poem, but A.S. Pushkin, yes, is clear and simple. I didn’t like to remember history; I remembered a lot of dates, but I knew how to do chemistry and mathematics.” Our Father." IN THE FUTURE LIFE, neither chemistry, nor literature, nor even biology was useful, but Astronomy, which was scanty in school, and Geography, which also had few hours at school, were needed. Only in adulthood did I become interested in History, thanks to L TO N. GUMILEV - WHO WRITE NOT TO PLEASE THE STATE, BUT AS IT IS - THIS IS THE STORY. It would be good if your studies and diploma were directly related to your destiny, but somehow it didn’t work out for me, and for many the same thing. And today these discrepancies are many times greater.
    1. 0
      13 January 2016 13: 40
      Quote: Mikhalychch
      At all times, old people grumbled at the youth whether they were being taught correctly or incorrectly, but no one asked them what the youth themselves thought about it.

      We young people want the unique people to unhook, let us study what is needed for the profession, and any development of a “highly developed personality” is only voluntary.
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  85. 0
    13 January 2016 06: 03
    Quote: Pvi1206
    In particular, make them all go through the EG in all subjects.

    oh, EG is a separate topic! )
    Yesterday I came home at 8 pm my daughter called me, cool, give me 5 thousand rubles. so that she could go to “preparatory courses for the Unified State University” in history. will lead! the best teachers! Department of History of the University!. I'm crazy, I say, but why? Well, of course, he says, because you have to pass the EG! - the logic is impeccable, I think... there is a woman’s logic and there is a teacher’s... but I try further: okay, so what, she won’t pass the exam herself? - no, questions about the EG are not at all like what they teach at school! - I’m getting a little crazy, but I still haven’t lost hope that I’m just being scammed) - I’m guessing well, but there is a list of questions/what they teach at school, and what they ask at the EG - to identify the gaps in the program - and, accordingly, a list of topics that are there for 5 will they sell you money? (well, this is my stupid logic))) - the cool one cheerfully answers: NO! there is no such thing! ) oops, I say, well, at least there must be some kind of approved program of theirs, for what do they take money, like to the tax office or to report to themselves? - says nope!!
    Here I completely lost my logic and all I could ask was - how... and who... will give a guarantee, say that they will teach in the courses exactly what is needed to pass the EG? - to this I received the answer: - and they at the university know better than us at school about EG, they themselves know everything better!
    - well, then I ran out of words and I could only squeeze out “let’s think about it”... because in response to such teacher logic, I was honestly at a loss even what to say...
    1. 0
      13 January 2016 09: 32
      Will people really call something good with three letters? The Unified State Examination is also a platform for making money
  86. 0
    13 January 2016 09: 22
    The result is terrible, I won’t quote Krylov, I’ll make do with an anecdote: “If you make four mistakes in the word bread, you get the word beer!”... The perception of language, history, moral norms is simply replaced...
    request
  87. 0
    13 January 2016 10: 11
    In today's education system there is no opportunity (lack of teaching time, its deliberate minimization) for the development of creative, analytical and cognitive principles. They should be given the basic material...
  88. 0
    13 January 2016 11: 52
    Apparently everyone really liked this photo that they no longer know where to stick it, although it doesn’t really relate to the topic.. wassat
  89. 0
    13 January 2016 12: 26
    The niece was dumbfounded - the teacher told the students and parents that a C is a good grade! Conclusion - why study better. My nieces are studying at 4-5 in the 5th grade... and she was somewhat confused by such statements. I had to convince her that she It’s not in vain that he tries to study better than everyone else...
    teachers never said that before!
  90. -1
    13 January 2016 13: 44
    AUTHOR, FOLLOW LENIN! If you are not happy with the education system.
    The problems of the Indians do not like the leader. For Putin, 5-10 million people with secondary education are enough to service the PIPES. Everyone who wants their children to learn something has long ago sent them abroad... Along with their capital and real estate.
  91. 0
    13 January 2016 14: 20
    Many of the country's troubles, and abnormal education is one of many, are simply a consequence of the lack of normal goals and priorities. If the main goal is to provide for the needs of the Russians, that is, to give the people bread and circuses, then expecting great breakthroughs from such degradation to Ancient Rome is simply stupid. What exactly do you fight and give your all for?
  92. 0
    13 January 2016 14: 24
    The teachers were covered with more papers than the officials in the village council. He needs to write a ton of paper to organize one lesson. A creative figure is turned into some kind of artisan, who, according to a given drawing, must hone knowledge and, preferably, lay down goods. And pedagogy, as it was an art, remains so, in fact. Any of us will remember from our childhood teachers-craftsmen and teachers from God. And sincerely creative teachers today are covered with papers in such a way that it is easier to get rid of such work.
  93. 0
    13 January 2016 14: 36
    What are we talking about. The economic forum named after. one of the main enemies of our country - Yevgei Gaidar. And there is a whole crowd of thieves, saboteurs and traitors on it. And of course - the enemy of the people and the political microbe of Medvedev. They are again deciding how to reorganize Russian education in accordance with the precepts of A. Hitler.
  94. +1
    13 January 2016 14: 49
    And who is the “classic” at our school, whose works are studied by young minds? But he is a dear patriot of Russia with the resounding surname Solzhenitsyn - “I am a friend of America. The United States has long proven itself to be the most generous and generous country in the world. The course of history itself brought you - made you world leaders. Please interfere more in our internal affairs." And there are tons of such examples. Come on, the unfortunate schoolchildren will remain stupid or will grow up to be ungrateful animals to the Motherland, so the authorities have now nailed it and made their way basically, I don’t understand what. It is necessary to arrange for these highly educated elitists with scientific degrees an elementary, universal public test of basic knowledge of the Russian language, literature, mathematics, physics, chemistry, geography and biology. I suspect that the level of knowledge will greatly surprise everyone and even drive them into a stupor and depression.
  95. 0
    13 January 2016 19: 44
    It’s just that I graduated from school, because the further it goes, the worse it gets. Every year they want to adopt some kind of innovation.
    development of personal characteristics of a graduate

    Last year I went to see the teacher. He says that we (teachers) are now educating schoolchildren into individuals. What has our education system come to? It’s terrible, and that’s all!
    It is clear that he is a prodigy graduate (and, as the standard says, every young “consumer” must be on paper)

    But don’t they want too much? First they introduced the Unified State Exam. Then they also decided to make the State Examination Compulsory, in addition to these two “gifts,” a compulsory essay. It’s already not easy for schoolchildren, so they also allocate hours for this subject, and how much for that one. And you are a schoolboy, learn the material as you want.
  96. 0
    13 January 2016 19: 58
    Was the photograph specifically placed opposite an excerpt from the Federal State Educational Standard? They are connected, what is the hint? am
    1. 0
      14 January 2016 10: 38
      The photographer caught a rare shot of an official face of our education.
  97. 0
    13 January 2016 20: 10
    Quote: Bone
    All these "reformers" should be put up against the wall! Otherwise, nothing will change ...
    The son of teachers himself, and I see how today those who have the opportunity to pay for a tutor, only they can give a more or less worthy, school education, I'm not talking about higher education, where there is nothing to do without money !!!
    ps And the most important thing is that parents are absolutely helpless, like teachers, and nothing depends on them !!! - and there is no way to influence the development of events ... !!!!!!!
    Therefore, there is only one way out, the execution of the traitors of the Motherland, and in all spheres of the country's life, the more people know these traitors by name !!!!!!!
    We should have shot yesterday. Tomorrow will be more difficult.
  98. 0
    14 January 2016 00: 30
    I completely agree with the author. There is a clear plan to destroy Russian civilization through the growing consumer, chipped generation, read: “US parasites are destroying the basis of our existence – education”
    http://новости-россии.ru-an.info
  99. 0
    14 January 2016 08: 04
    Try reading the new education standards - it’s absolutely terrible!
    If not betrayal of the country, then what?

    According to them, teachers should not explain the material to students, but only “ask.”
    Like, students themselves must learn to obtain information. Now teachers will no longer teach “the basics of something.” Whoever needs it, let him search and learn...
    This is actually... I don’t have any printed words...
  100. +1
    14 January 2016 16: 12
    We have blah blah blah not only in education, wherever you look around BLA BLA BLA.