New LAV armored vehicles for the Saudi army

The Canadian branch of General Dynamics Lands Systems (GDLS Canada) will begin supplying Saudi Arabia’s LAV armored vehicles with 8x8 wheel formula, equipped with the Cockerill Maintenance & Ingénierie Belgian group (CMI), a blog says bmpd with reference to Jane's Defense Weekly.

Prototype model of the General Dynamics Lands Systems LAV armored vehicle with a CMI Cockerill CT-CV 105HP turret (type 3105) with a 105-mm Cockerill CV rifled gun.

Deliveries will be made under the contract from 2014 g in the amount of $ 10 billion.

“CMI towers will be equipped with two types of new types of LAV machines developed by GDLS Canada as part of the Saudi megazakaz. One option is to install the Cockerill CT-CV 105HP twin tower with 105-mm / 53 Cockerill CV rifled gun of normal ballistics, equipped with an automatic loader (containing 12 or 16 shots), ”writes the magazine.

Another option, according to the publication, “provides for a double Cockerill Medium Caliber Turret (CMCT) turret with 30-mm or 40-mm variant of the ATK Orbital Mk 44 automatic cannon (the prototype of the tower was tested with the 30-mm version of this gun). Also, this tower will have an ATGM launcher. ”

A prototype of an armored vehicle General Dynamics Lands Systems LAV of the new version with a CMI Cockerill Medium Caliber Turret (CMCT) turret (type 3130 / 40) with an ATN Orbital Mk 30 44-mm automatic cannon.

It is noted that "both types of towers (CT-CV 105HP and СМСТ) belong to the new family of" modular "armored Cockerill 3000 Series towers developed by CMI, which have digitally controlled electric drives and can be equipped with different types of guns of calibers from 25 to 105 mm and different fire control systems.

Other characteristics of armored vehicles LAV, intended for Saudi Arabia, are not reported.

Comments

[Boos]

It will turn over, with a minimum roll ?!) Do not call on steep dunes?)))

[Drmadfisher]

with such a gun, a back flip is guaranteed.

[Major Yurik]

The more such Canadian Pepelats, the smaller the Saudi population! A good idea by the Yankees. There is a lot of oil, and few people, these are Uncle Sam's best friends!

[maxiban]

All this is good - for Husits ​​for a snack. They will burn everything.

[Now we are free]

Husits ​​+ RPG7V approve of the delivery of new SA equipment!

But seriously, the LAV 8 * 8 platform itself, although good, BUT the weapons presented on its platform (described in the article) raises a number of questions.
Firstly, the very concept of installing a 105 mm caliber gun (even on wheels) looks already driven out and has not justified itself. Was there at least one conflict where this platform 105 mm gun + wheels paid off? Especially to deal with more or less modern MBT?
Automatic grenade launcher based on wheeled armored personnel carrier -Yes.
Automatic gun with a caliber of 25 from 57 mm (heavy machine gun) -Yes.
ATRA Yes.
Mortar from 80 to 120 mm - Yes.
But the -105 mm gun has never proven itself on the positive side.

In addition to the above voiced, the presented armored personnel carrier is not equipped with any significant protection against RPGs, all the more so ATGMs, which in the conditions of modern wars make another expensive tin can out of it ...

[Maxom75]

The technique is new, the technology is super, but what about the low morale of the Saudis? The Army of the SA is one of the most heavily armed in the Middle East, but with direct clashes, it flees and throws this equipment. Nothing will help the coward in battle.

[Lord of the Sith]

Well, that's right, several hundred vehicles were poured into Yemen. And tanks under 50 units, though mostly M60.

[bulvas]

under the contract from 2014 in the amount of $ 10 billion

This is not the contract with which the Saudis wanted to buy change from Syria from us?

[GRAY]

Quote: Boos

) Do not call on steep dunes?)))

And they need to do the embankment because, this mausoleum, you’re tormenting to hide in a trench without an excavator - otherwise a kapets.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Yemen would still have at least some air defense, and Saudi Arabia would have fallen like a bear paw!

[RDX]

well-established French "Vespa 150 TAP"))) the shop is resting)))

[avt]

Quote: Boos

Will it roll over with minimal roll ?!

Well, judging by the video of how the Saudis are fighting in Yemen, they only need to drive back and forth and get more hatches from the cars to drape. Well, the old trunks and 105mm shells were attached to the campaign, like the USs on “Strikers".

[Izotovp]

And the tower is just like on a tank !!!

[seti]

Of course, she also has the dimensions - a very convenient target with a minimum of protection. If you put a tower with a gun on such a platform, then it’s only uninhabited. And so it turns out a shooter in 4.5-5 meters from the ground.

[seti]

When fired with such a tower and a heavy gun, this design will not roll over? It looks great unstable. It seems that on our Boomerang platform there is also a project with an 125mm gun, but there the stock is solid and the platform is more stable. The idea is not bad, but how is it in life?

[Dewa1s]

Well, it will be seen as with the "Stryker" - to shoot, of course, Moget, but only directly + - a couple of degrees.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Practice will show ... But for now, we will look from the side ...

[ovod84]

Convenient target for RPG

[Extraneous]

What an ugly technique. It seems that initially the car was designed more for police operations than military.

[kebeskin]

Armored Vehicles Lav. Feel all the charms of burning love and warm comfort after hitting an RPG)))

[Chyudilkin]

Well, it’s ugly or not, but as much as memory serves, the gun of this machine is accurate.

[meriem1]

Ugly or not. Did they check her RPG 7 sideways?

[Primus pilus]

It’s immoral to supply weapons to the Saudis.

[Boos]

and in general, to all the Semites.

[Chyudilkin]

Quote: meriem1

Ugly or not. Did they check her RPG 7 sideways?

Why RPG, enough anything to the side with a caliber of 12 and above

[GoHardLikePutin]

The strongest army in Europe. Drunken soldiers vsu. Like it

[Ronino]

They get used to the land.

[akshor]

You can not fall to the level of ukroSMI. or what are we better then?

[ALEA IACTA EST]

We wish the Yemenis to turn this technique into burning scrap metal.

[kervin78]

In the armata project, the petty machine is very pounding due to the viewing range, but it is not visible

[Chyudilkin]

Quote: kervin78

In the armata project, the petty machine is very pounding due to the viewing range, but it is not visible

))) tankman

[Massik]

Comrades forum users, I want to remind you that modern RPGs and ATGMs are designed to destroy modern tanks, that is, the equipment that is the most armored in the ground forces. Therefore, it is foolish to require a wheeled armored personnel carrier of a sufficient level of protection against anti-tank weapons, as well as write such comments:

Convenient target for RPG

Armored Vehicles Lav. Feel all the charms of burning love and warm comfort after hitting an RPG)))

Ugly or not. Did they check her RPG 7 sideways?

The car is not bad, made according to the old and proven concept.

[lelikas]

Quote: Marssik

made according to an old and proven concept.

God is on you that we are not good.
Myself, the Yankees do not deliver such magic.

[Massik]

Quote: lelikas

God is on you that we are not good.
Myself, the Yankees do not deliver such magic.

They don’t supply much for themselves, just remember the life of the M113. Meanwhile, our "Kurgan" is made in the same layout.

[Maksus]

And Stryker is it your what? Also Piranha 3, only licensed.

[Chyudilkin]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Marssik

made according to an old and proven concept.

God is on you that we are not good.
Myself, the Yankees do not deliver such magic.

They have such magic here !!!

[Zaurbek]

This machine for remote shooting T-54 / 55, T-62 may not pull, the range of a direct shot is less and the power of the projectile too (only at night with a thermal imager). Ideally, the enemy would have no tanks at all.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: Zaurbek

Ideally, the enemy would have no tanks at all.

And also Metisov, Kornetov and RPG-7. And in general, it is better that the two keep the enemy, then they will show themselves!

[Comrade Glebov]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

This machine for remote shooting T-54 / 55, T-62 may not pull, the range of a direct shot is less and the power of the projectile too (only at night with a thermal imager). Ideally, the enemy would have no tanks at all.

I do not think that the aforementioned T-54 / 55 has a higher efficiency, but to shoot at rifle units from a distance exceeding the maximum range of RPG-7 is a sacred thing. How this creation will manifest itself will depend on the directness of the hands of their crews and the presence of convolutions in the brains of the generals. But the most offensive thing is that Canadian creatures make good profit of this scrap.

[Zaurbek]

The 105mm caliber is not the most powerful HE shell, the gun was originally created by the British to fight tanks. In terms of PT capabilities, it is higher than the rifled 100mm T-54/55 guns and lower than the smooth-bore 115mm T-62 gun.

[Zaurbek]

Direct hands play a small role here, as the machine has developed electronics, thermal imagers, rangefinders. But this ranged vehicle, not for kneading close to tanks or assault positions.