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Davutoglu denied himself, saying he did not give the order to bring down the Russian Su-24

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Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Wednesday on the NTV channel that he did not order the Russian bomber to shoot down, it’s impossible to do it physically in 17 seconds, reports RIA News.




“I did not give the order to shoot down this plane. Is it possible that I could have been contacted for 17 seconds, and I would give such an order? No, It is Immpossible. The prime minister instructs the entry into force of the rules for responding to threats. These rules are not new, and they apply without my instructions. Two days before this incident, the General Staff handed over the authority to apply these rules to the command of the country's air force. And it is right. It would be wrong not to give instructions on the protection of airspace ",
stated the prime minister.

Well, then let us recall the words that Davutoglu said on November 24 after the crash of the bomber: “I gave the order to shoot down the plane. (...) Despite the fact that ten warnings were made on our side, the plane continued its flight in our airspace and was shot down, in accordance with international safety regulations. ”
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  1. avvg
    avvg 31 December 2015 10: 42 New
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    So, Mr. Davutoglu, it’s too late to turn on the reverse gear.
    1. Uran
      Uran 31 December 2015 10: 47 New
      +1
      Well, how could he say yes I shot down a plane? in my order)
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 31 December 2015 10: 58 New
        16
        Ох уж эти турки...здесь помню,а здесь не помню...Турция врубила "Украину". smile
        And here it is already a holiday of some kind .... lol
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 1 January 2016 10: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Oh these turks


          Всё просто, как апельсин - карлику Давуту очень мешает его большой "оглу". Так было с Наполеоном, Муссолини, Геббельсом; и где они сейчас? bully
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 1 January 2016 20: 07 New
            0
            Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu at least wrote down for himself what he had already officially stated once! And then somehow it’s absolutely indecent and humiliating for Turkey to do it.
            С такой "памятью", как у Давутоглу, премьером Турции с таким же "успехом" может быть и любой дворник, или прачка, или даже маразматические пациенты из дома совсем уж престарелых, которые ни за что в политике не отвечют.
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      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 31 December 2015 11: 06 New
        +3
        Confused in the testimonies of the Turks, nothing Volodya Sharapov will lead you to clean water.
        1. anfil
          anfil 31 December 2015 11: 43 New
          20
          What can you get from them, two-faced Anus of US policy

          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 31 December 2015 13: 06 New
            10
            Давутоглу "Uçağın Vurulması Emrini Bizzat Ben Verdim" "Приказ сбития самолета я отдал лично" слово "bizzat" на турецком означает "лично" .Там же он говорит "Angajman kurallarımız rus tarafına yönetilmişdir"(коротко цитирую его) Angajman kuraları это с английского "Rules of Engagement" означает правила или директивы которые определяют обстоятельства применения силы в отношении провокации" ((такого термина в русском языке нету если не ошибаюсь) например что делать при нарушении границы !То есть Дамы и Господа Давутоглу противоречил сам себе еще тогда во время выступления .Отдать приказ лично о сбитии и angajman kuralları это разные вещи .Он мог на турецком сказать я отдал военным приказ в случае нарушения границы сбивать .А сказал он "приказ сбития самолета я отдал лично" .То есть еще тогда он сам себе противоречил в одном и том же выступлении в эйфории а вы только заметили ?PS В видео ролике видно как радуются в парламенте словам о сбитии Российского СУ-24 .Радости полные штаны ,а инциденту разве по международным правилам ангажмана слово которое любить Давутоглы радуются ?Если конечно это инцидент а план .
      3. WKS
        WKS 31 December 2015 11: 37 New
        13
        Davutoglu denied himself, saying he did not give the order to bring down the Russian Su-24
        Это называется - совсем забрехался "друг тигра Амура".
        1. upadeishev
          upadeishev 31 December 2015 11: 58 New
          +6
          Do not touch the Cupid! He is more humane than Turkish cattle!
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 31 December 2015 10: 55 New
      -23
      Quote: avvg
      Mr. Davutoglu! It’s too late to turn on the back!

      Yes, it does not include anything. Most likely, it really was an excess of the performer - the top Turkish political leadership did not plan to shoot down the Russian plane. If only to scare or provoke - nothing more. And the military, whom Erdogan, in violation of the Turkish constitution, took out of the political field (I recall, according to Ataturk’s plan, the army was the guarantor of the Islamists’s non-return to power) decided to make Recep such a slack. Erdogvn and Davutoglu (as the current ideologist of the regime) cannot substitute the army leadership, admitting their guilt of direct disobedience to the president. As well as condemning the immediate culprits, the military will definitely not approve of this. It remains only to menacingly puff out cheeks and sculpt some children's excuses.
      1. Temples
        Temples 31 December 2015 10: 57 New
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        He touches the Turk.
        What the heck is an excess?
        There are no such accidents.
        In real life, armies in countries are completely under the control of politicians (in my opinion, a completely disgusting phenomenon)
        First, we are cool and abroad will help us (NATO and all other anti-Russian minx)
        Now here's the bench press. Turkish point is not iron.
        1. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 31 December 2015 11: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: Temples
          First, we are cool and abroad will help us (NATO and all other anti-Russian minx)
          Now here's the bench press. Turkish point is not iron.

          Time is inexorably approaching the tourist season. That's where the body movements began.
          "" Многие россияне откровенно говорят, что несмотря на привычку отдыхать в относительно дешевой Турции, это не повод терять честь и гордость.""
        2. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 31 December 2015 11: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: Temples
          He touches the Turk.
          What the heck is an excess?

          Yes such! The most obvious version is not always the most true. The Turkish leadership was not so materially dependent on Igilov’s oil that it could lead to an open conflict with Russia. Moreover, to aggravate the Kurdish question - as we know the Russian Federation after the incident with our bomber, it began to actively cooperate with the Kurds on both sides of the Syrian-Turkish border. Plus, the Turks still have imprudent economic sanctions, in which the loss of the tourism industry is not in the first place. But to lose, for example, 30% of the Russian construction market, this is really tangible.
          Ну, конечно, легче всего вопить: "Ааа! Очкует турок! Засцал!"
          1. Temples
            Temples 31 December 2015 12: 00 New
            +4
            Не стоит создавать излишнюю "крутость" на пустом месте.
            Things are done by people, not states and governments.
            I do not scream, but calmly write.
            But people are different.
            Some do things, while others only speak.
            In Russia there is such a thing -
            за "базар" отвечать нужно.
            It’s not necessary to bring down our plane of mind.
            And courage to the one who ordered to do this is not needed.
            Можно за "государство" спрятаться.
            Now is the time to answer.
            So the Turks answer as best they can.
            So the rhetoric and meaning of what was said earlier has changed.
            Sharpens)))
            1. kush62
              kush62 31 December 2015 20: 30 New
              +2
              Temples (6) Today, 12:00 ↑ New
              It’s not necessary to bring down our plane of mind.

              I think it’s necessary to bring down a plane in a battle of mind and a lot of skill. But meanly shoot
              in the back, it's easier. Moreover, we are not at war with them and did not wait for such a tease.
          2. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 31 December 2015 14: 05 New
            +5
            А они не за нефть наш самолёт сбили, и не из-за курдов, а из-за туркоманов, которых наши как раз в том месте бомбили. Накануне они наших предупреждали о недопустимости бомбардировок и том, что будут защищать "братьев". Ну и защитили. Но получилось у турок очень по нашенски - хотели, как лучше, получилось как всегда. В итоге и туркоманов разбомбили на ноль, и ДАВИДоглу теперь отбрехивается на тему - я ли, не я ли, кочерга в одеяле...
          3. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 31 December 2015 14: 12 New
            +6
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Yes such! The most obvious version is not always the most true.

            Гм. Если следовать Вашей логике, что турков подставили военные и они(руководство) ан никак не хотели сбивать СУ-24, то возникает вопрос - почему СРАЗУ НЕ ИЗВИНИЛИСЬ??? Ведь проще некуда, извинился, а потом расследуй! Ведь извинись, чтобы не разрывать и усугублять связи и расследуй,вроде так принято по-нормальному. Но этого в упор не произошло. Потому версия о том, что "мы не хотели - оно само так получилось" является чушью! Хотели, сбили и теперь расхлёбывают!Потому и мечутся из угла в угол в поисках выхода, потому что думали, что реакция будет не такая и прокатит... Не прокатило... wink
        3. meriem1
          meriem1 31 December 2015 12: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: Temples
          He touches the Turk.
          What the heck is an excess?
          There are no such accidents.
          In real life, armies in countries are completely under the control of politicians (in my opinion, a completely disgusting phenomenon)
          First, we are cool and abroad will help us (NATO and all other anti-Russian minx)
          Now here's the bench press. Turkish point is not iron.


          Турецкое очко никогда не было железным))) Ещё Суворов говаривал-" Если турок заставить бежать, то их уже ни чем не остановить"
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 31 December 2015 11: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: avvg
        Mr. Davutoglu! It’s too late to turn on the back!

        Yes, it does not include anything. Most likely, it was really an excess of the performer - the top Turkish political leadership did not plan to shoot down the Russian plane. If only to scare or provoke - nothing more. And the military, whom Erdogan, in violation of the Turkish constitution, removed from the political field (I recall, according to Ataturk’s plan, the army was the guarantor of the Islamists’s non-return to power) decided to make such a blunder. Erdogvn cannot substitute the army leadership, admitting their guilt of direct disobedience to the president. As well as condemning the immediate culprits, the military will definitely not approve of this. It remains only to menacingly puff out cheeks.

        Well, why so categorically! But could he recognize this incident as an excess, an unpleasant misunderstanding - could he? I'm already silent about the apology.
      3. Sid.74
        Sid.74 31 December 2015 11: 04 New
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        Quote: Ami du peuple
        shoot down the Russian aircraft higher Turkish political leadership did not plan.

        And then why did the Turkish fighter circle the hour around the border with Syria, since by chance everything ... request An ambush does not happen by chance, an ambush is prepared for the future.
        А "серые волки" с турецким спецназом и тучей журналистов тоже случайно там оказались?
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 31 December 2015 11: 46 New
          -2
          Quote: Sid.74
          But could he recognize this incident as an excess, an unpleasant misunderstanding - could he? I'm already silent about the apology.

          Quote: Sid.74
          An ambush does not happen by chance, an ambush is prepared for the future.
          А "серые волки" с турецким спецназом и тучей журналистов тоже случайно там оказались?

          Could not. I would lose my face. After all, a week before that, he warned Russia about the inadmissibility of the bombing of Syrian Turkoman. Did he fulfill the threat and immediately apologize? The people would not understand him.
          About the fact that our plane was purposefully caught, I indicated - read carefully. But I think that it was precisely to shoot down, there was no task. A crowd with journalists could organize the same Turkish generals. So that certainly Erdogan did not leave a choice.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 31 December 2015 12: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Indeed, the week before that, Russia had warned about the inadmissibility of the bombing of Syrian Turkomans.

            Stop, stop ... You literally, by the post above, said that it was unintentional and accidental. And write here that, allegedly, for Turkomans, Erdogan was worried a week before. And why didn’t he call Putin, did he? Phone disconnected?
            And there is nothing that Erdogan against the Kurds is waging an open war, they are generally citizens of Turkey. And the Turkomans in general in Syria ... and nech lozit back and forth.
            Shoot down our plane in Syria.
            Erdogan defends all this smelly pseudo-Muslim gangster pack, because he thought himself as a sultan and expected that NATO and Europeans would harness him ... but not destiny. At NATO themselves, after starting calibers, their knees tremble.
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 31 December 2015 14: 03 New
              -2
              Quote: Sid.74
              After NATO’s launch, the NATO’s knees are trembling.

              Nothing trembles with them. Why do you think that NATO is afraid of us to death? Unfortunately, the military potential of NATO and Russia in the field of conventional weapons is not comparable. The only limiting factor is the Russian nuclear weapons and the willingness to use it on a European theater.
              Не надо щапкозакидательских настроений - Россия в две Мировые войны с таким "позитивным" настроем вошла. Однако, как показали дальнейшие события, лозунг "Дойдем до Берлина!" оплачивается большой кровью.
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 31 December 2015 15: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Why do you think that NATO members are afraid of us to death? The military potential of NATO and Russia in the field of conventional weapons, unfortunately, is incomparable.

                What specific weapons do you mean?
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                The only deterrent is Russian nuclear weapons and the readiness of its use in European theaters.

                About how .... and so it would have been a long time, the Lithuanian army stood near Moscow. smile Yes, and if the only such irreplaceable weapons are nuclear weapons? There is the same EW, there is the C-300, there are the most advanced helicopters, MLRS systems, anti-ship artillery and coastal missile systems.
                Silent submarines with calibers that the Patriot cannot praise physically can.

                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Россия в две Мировые войны с таким "позитивным" настроем вошла.

                If you remember, the military potential of France was rated much higher than the potential of the USSR in terms of the number of armaments and in comparison with the number of troops. How much did Paris hold out?
                And about the shapkozakidstvie.Blin do not need to take .... all the main wicked people are sitting in London and New York ... yes
                1. Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple 31 December 2015 20: 24 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Sid.74
                  About how .... and so it would have been a long time, the Lithuanian army stood near Moscow.

                  Не смешно. В своё время, войско литовское много крови русским попортило. Можете двумя руками мастурбировать на РЭБ, ЗРК, РСЗО и множество других красивых аббревиатур. Но, поверьте, аналогичные и не худшие системы, есть у наших потенциальных друзей. Вы, видимо, если и служили в армии, то на сержантских должностях максимум. Собственно, мне пофиг на подобных "экспертов". С Новым Годом, "маршалы" картонные.
                  1. Suhow
                    Suhow 2 January 2016 14: 20 New
                    +1
                    частично поддержую ваше мнение,у партнеров имеется много чего "интересного"из вооружений,и думаю их очень впечатляет моральная устойчивость наших(СССР)солдат к лишениям и потерям,и не только солдат а и народа...Советского.НАЧАЛЬНЫЙ ЭТАП ВЕЛИКОЙ ОТЕЧЕСТВЕННОЙ тому подтвержение.А один из хребта составляющего Союза и есть Руские,РФ по составу национальностей чемто и сейчас напоминает Великий и Могучий...От сего и некоторая осторожность в действиях,притом что есть и чем ответить,РФ пока не последняя в отличном вооружении,что радует.
      4. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 31 December 2015 14: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Yes, it does not include anything.

        Случайно оказались турки в точке максимального приближения .случайно выстрелили....Бред!СУ24 явно"Пасли"и задействованно в этом было много народа.То-есть командовали "парадом"ОЧЕНЬ высокие чины,и будь это попытка подставить эрдогана-головы уже бы полетели,ибо какая прекрасная возможность противников проредить!
        I think Erdogan’s babble is an attempt to play back by lowering everything on the brakes, at first I didn’t at all, then I’ll come up with a fairy tale like the squadron commander is to blame, but it will end up with a pilot’s mistake ... maybe he accidentally died ...
        Erdogan has already taken all the buns in domestic / foreign policy. Then he’s only in shit ..
      5. Lukich
        Lukich 3 January 2016 15: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Most likely, it really was an excess of the performer - the top Turkish political leadership did not plan to shoot down the Russian plane.

        tell the families of the dead pilots
        and how such nonsense came to mind ...
        waited on earth by chance?
        lying every day by chance?
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 31 December 2015 10: 56 New
      +4
      From the topic - I'm not me, and the horse is not mine.
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 31 December 2015 11: 36 New
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      Quote: avvg
      So, Mr. Davutoglu, it’s too late to turn on the reverse gear.

      Just approach this business with a cold head. fellow
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 31 December 2015 12: 19 New
      +3
      Davutoglu already said everything. Faith to this reptile is no more. Like his boss Erdogad.
      1. Tujh
        Tujh 31 December 2015 12: 55 New
        +1
        Not so Erdogan and the boss. Davutoglu is the ideologist of current politics, Erdogan is only a performer.
    6. Lukich
      Lukich 31 December 2015 20: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: avvg
      So, Mr. Davutoglu, it’s too late to turn on the reverse gear.


      no others. only forward and off-road
    7. worldofpain
      worldofpain 1 January 2016 07: 40 New
      0
      Посмотри на него он же "заднеприводный" видно сразу.
    8. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 2 January 2016 04: 27 New
      0
      oh how do you want to quote Lavrov, already itchy
    9. sherp2015
      sherp2015 2 January 2016 16: 59 New
      0
      Quote: avvg
      So, Mr. Davutoglu, it’s too late to turn on the reverse gear.


      Give oglu - Daut oglu David oglu ... This son of David has already wandered completely
  2. lukke
    lukke 31 December 2015 10: 43 New
    +5
    Turk, he is also a Turk in Africa)
    and why now these statements ?! We merge Erdogan and leave ourselves the opportunity to take something in the new government ?! and his face is rat, like this .... leader of the Medjelis (damn, forgot another rat) Jamiliev ?!
  3. Pacifist
    Pacifist 31 December 2015 10: 43 New
    +3
    But does this surprise anyone? He, like Erdogan and others like them, is all this shobla, masters of his word. They want to give. want to be taken away.
  4. maksim2609
    maksim2609 31 December 2015 10: 53 New
    +3
    A circus of some kind ...
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 31 December 2015 11: 34 New
      +4
      Trotsky he, and bresh the same. The training manual is on this subject:
  5. Victor62ru
    Victor62ru 31 December 2015 10: 54 New
    +2
    Well, so they attacked him, miserable. Well, the man forgot what he said before. It happens to everyone.... laughing
  6. Woodman
    Woodman 31 December 2015 10: 55 New
    +5
    Ну раз начали стрелки друг на друга переводить, значит их реально начинает "припекать"...
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 31 December 2015 10: 55 New
    +6
    In theory, the Turks in this situation should do everything to rectify the situation, even if these are unofficial steps, but still. And making two mutually exclusive statements, they simply try to confuse the situation, because they will have to get out of this situation, but in half a year they will be completely different conditions for reconciliation. Although Saakashvili’s mistake is most likely walking there, with the hope that NATO will join?
  8. viktor561
    viktor561 31 December 2015 10: 56 New
    +6
    What a madhouse about 17 seconds — an order had been issued a month earlier — to shoot down a Russian plane — and that was constantly watched by phantoms along the border!
  9. not Russian
    not Russian 31 December 2015 10: 58 New
    +5
    Campaign began to appoint the last
  10. ilija93
    ilija93 31 December 2015 11: 03 New
    +3
    He just indirectly confirms that there was an air ambush and most likely not in one place.
    They were directed from the ground, used a thermal missile, launch in direct line of sight, after capturing the target’s head, apparently some of our electronic warfare were working, so the thermal one, for sure, could be a cannon, but it was closer to play a point, it was more difficult to clear off.
    Everything is clear there, even who gave the order, and this is a transfusion from a sore head to an empty one.
  11. gas-5903
    gas-5903 31 December 2015 11: 12 New
    +2
    It's time for Mr. Premiere to the psychiatrist, a split personality is a serious disease
  12. Gardener91
    Gardener91 31 December 2015 11: 14 New
    +1
    The word is not a sparrow ... But for some reason everything said by politicians has its effect on the minds, contrary to common sense.
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  14. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 31 December 2015 11: 23 New
    +4
    Spinning, like in a frying pan. It's disgusting with these Turks.
  15. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 31 December 2015 11: 26 New
    +1
    Tragicomedy!
  16. Kibl
    Kibl 31 December 2015 11: 29 New
    0
    The Turkish Prime Minister pinched a point, Putin said that he would find all those responsible for the tragedy with the A-321 and SU-24, and would punish !!! The Turk probably knows what happened to the ringleaders of Chechen terrorists!
  17. Gray 43
    Gray 43 31 December 2015 11: 47 New
    +1
    Trying to sit on two chairs - a peaceful economic and imperial nationalist, while stuffing personal pockets
  18. shinobi
    shinobi 31 December 2015 11: 48 New
    +3
    A.me.ry set them up like the last suckers. The Turkish stream was covered, the construction firms in Russia were tied up with kirdyk, the tourist industry was busy, and since the oil convoys of the IS were crumbling, they crumbled with a vengeance. And the sky in the sector is now closed so they don’t fly over their own country. But then they showed themselves. So soon the words of the IDDO and the politician will become synonymous with the foreign countries.
  19. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 31 December 2015 11: 49 New
    +4
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    shoot down the Russian aircraft higher Turkish political leadership did not plan.

    And then why did the Turkish fighter circle the hour around the border with Syria, since by chance everything ... request An ambush does not happen by chance, an ambush is prepared for the future.
    А "серые волки" с турецким спецназом и тучей журналистов тоже случайно там оказались?


    Here it is: this is not an incident, not circumstances, or anything else. This is a clearly thought-out and executed according to a pre-developed scenario action: in addition to the Air Force, there were several more services that were not subordinate to each other. Moreover, the actions (perhaps the most important) took place abroad of Turkey. Those. they had already planned in advance that the plane would fall abroad (if it had fallen in Turkey, no one would have dared to shoot pilots in the air - this is actually a declaration of war, violation of a whole bunch of international conventions, a colossal blow to the prestige of the state, etc.), and to the point the alleged fall was sent to a group (most likely, there were several groups and places), which had a clear goal: there should not be any living witnesses of the attack on the plane. Then you can say anything, no one will prove anything. Unknown groups with direction finders fit in there: find and destroy. Attention, the question is: who has the right to give an assignment for holding an action of this magnitude?
  20. jovanni
    jovanni 31 December 2015 11: 53 New
    +1
    Турок теперь говорит: «Я не давал приказ сбить этот самолет. Возможно ли, чтобы ко мне за 17 секунд успели бы обратиться, и я бы дал такой приказ? Нет, это невозможно..." Конечно конкретно ЭТОТ самолет он не мог приказать сбить, а вот провернуть операцию по уничтожению любого близко пролетающего самолета, - это легко...
  21. Million
    Million 31 December 2015 12: 08 New
    0
    East is a delicate matter! Minister changed his shoes
  22. propolsky
    propolsky 31 December 2015 12: 14 New
    +1
    На мой взгляд очень интересная ситуация. Чувствуя над головой русский меч, янычары начинают переводить стрелки сначала от себя. Это как в детстве с разбитой маминой вазой: "Это точно не я!" Еще чуть и начнут сдавать друг друга. Видно и вправду страшно, что ВВП в угол поставит.
  23. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 31 December 2015 12: 18 New
    0
    Erdogenom needed to learn to lie from Ukrointsy — he would say that the Kurds shot down the plane at the direction of the Kremlin! When did he decide what and how to lie to him?
  24. vobels
    vobels 31 December 2015 12: 21 New
    0
    It looks like a pun: he did not give this order, but gave another order. And he did not express any regrets about what had happened. Now it makes no difference, he needs to prepare and be responsible for what he has done.
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 31 December 2015 12: 26 New
    0
    The shadow of Ramon Mercader with an ice ax loomed on the horizon of Davutoglu
  26. Riv
    Riv 31 December 2015 12: 28 New
    +2
    "...- Вот вылезу из окопа на бруствер, - хриплым пьяным голосом вещал
    a general who has bothered everyone, but partisans across the field. Bullets are whistling around, and I
    саблю наголо, ору "заряжай", а по мне из пулемета - та-та-та.
    The loud laughter of the tipsy SS men at the window blocked his words:
    - The old donkey has completely lied!
    Генерал оглянулся и понял что смеются над ним..."
  27. parafoiler
    parafoiler 31 December 2015 12: 41 New
    +1
    Поздно каешься, давутка,- "полы покрашены"!
  28. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 31 December 2015 12: 45 New
    +1
    "Аннушка уже купила подсолнечное масло, и не только купила, но даже и разлила".«Мастер и Маргарита» (1929—1940) Михаила Афанасьевича Булгакова
    Quote: parafoiler
    Поздно каешься, давутка,- "полы покрашены"!
  29. alstr
    alstr 31 December 2015 12: 45 New
    +1
    And now we read, remember the first version of events from Turkey:
    "Турецкая сторона утверждает, что утром два неопознанных воздушных судна[15] приближались к воздушному пространству Турции, диспетчер которого на протяжении 5 минут 10 раз передал предупреждения с требованием развернуться к югу. Оба самолёта нарушили воздушное пространство Турции. Первый самолёт вышел из турецкого пространства, а по второму самолёту был произведён запуск ракеты со стороны патрулировавших территорию турецких F-16C, в то время когда он находился в турецком пространстве"

    And read the version now:
    "Возможно ли, чтобы ко мне за 17 секунд успели бы обратиться, и я бы дал такой приказ?"


    Now compare 5 minutes and 10 warnings and 17 seconds with a request for an order?

    Conclusion: Turks lie and get confused in the testimony.
    There are either 5 minutes and warnings (and with a start request) or 17 seconds, but then there can be no talk of any 10 warnings.
  30. askort154
    askort154 31 December 2015 12: 47 New
    +3
    Davutoglu is a theoretician of New Osmania, and he is cleverly cunning (he wrote a 600-page program book, such as mine kapp-Hitler)
    Erdogan is a stubborn performer, aggressor.
    Davutoglu used Erdogan as a battering ram, he himself remained in the shade, now substitutes
    его по полной. Сбитый наш самолёт и сцена с "самоубийцей", полностью дискредитирует Эрдогана, а Давутоглу белый и пушистый. Хотя оба они в американской
    the deck, and who will be the Ace, is not for them to decide.
  31. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 31 December 2015 13: 01 New
    +1
    Davutogly
    "Uçağın Vurulması Emrini Bizzat Ben Verdim" "Приказ сбития самолета я отдал лично" слово "bizzat" на турецком означает "лично" .Там же он говорит "Angajman kurallarımız rus tarafına yönetilmişdir"(коротко цитирую его) Angajman kuraları это с английского "Rules of Engagement" означает правила или директивы которые определяют обстоятельства применения силы в отношении провокации" ((такого термина в русском языке нету если не ошибаюсь) например что делать при нарушении границы !То есть Дамы и Господа Давутоглу противоречил сам себе еще тогда во время выступления .Отдать приказ лично о сбитии и angajman kuralları это разные вещи .Он мог на турецком сказать я отдал военным приказ в случае нарушения границы сбивать .А сказал он "приказ сбития самолета я отдал лично" .То есть еще тогда он сам себе противоречил в одном и том же выступлении в эйфории а вы только заметили ?
  32. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 31 December 2015 13: 05 New
    +1
    “I gave the order to bring down the plane. (...)


    А дальше напрашивается цитата из к-ф "Мимино" - "я не очень по-русски хорошо говорю, такой сложный язык" (Ф.Мкртчан на суде)...

    «Я не давал приказ сбить этот самолет…"


    Язык, правда, не русский, но сути это не меняет... Излюбленный ход, когда надо "откоряку склеить"...
  33. pts-m
    pts-m 31 December 2015 13: 06 New
    0
    needless to say. the stoop is down to the fluff from stolen oil from neighbors. here and wants to shave the cannon, but the dull blade is caught.
  34. galakt
    galakt 31 December 2015 13: 58 New
    +1
    Что у хохлов, что у турков один спонсор. Сами мысли и идеи одни и те же. Правда это <<ложь>>, а ложь это <<истина>>.
  35. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 31 December 2015 16: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Россия в две Мировые войны с таким "позитивным" настроем вошла.


    This is something new. What is your positive attitude? If a wave of popular anger is considered a positive attitude,
    then Russia entered the war in 1812, and earlier, right up to the Kulikovo field, with a positive attitude.
    In 1914, all sources talk about it, they went like a slaughter, not mobilized, let alone World War II.
    and it’s not at all clear what you mean: September 39th or June 41st? When was there a positive attitude?
    Вот от Финской, "зимней" войны таких бед не ждали - это точно.

    And if on the topic, about Turkish fortels - they feint, IMHO; this is a good mine in a bad game. All these peaceful cooings are for the domestic market. Who will believe them in Russia? And in front of his electorate is a picture: a peacemaker, sultan his Turkish mother! Well, for the geyropa, so that her geyropeysky electorate does not poke in the nose, which hobbles with a scumbag ...
  36. Rom14
    Rom14 31 December 2015 18: 03 New
    -2
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: avvg
    Mr. Davutoglu! It’s too late to turn on the back!

    Yes, it does not include anything. Most likely, it really was an excess of the performer - the top Turkish political leadership did not plan to shoot down the Russian plane. If only to scare or provoke - nothing more. And the military, whom Erdogan, in violation of the Turkish constitution, took out of the political field (I recall, according to Ataturk’s plan, the army was the guarantor of the Islamists’s non-return to power) decided to make Recep such a slack. Erdogvn and Davutoglu (as the current ideologist of the regime) cannot substitute the army leadership, admitting their guilt of direct disobedience to the president. As well as condemning the immediate culprits, the military will definitely not approve of this. It remains only to menacingly puff out cheeks and sculpt some children's excuses.

    I do not understand why minus? Turkey really doesn’t benefit from a quarrel with Russia on any side .., most likely, he put a pig tied to oil to his dad and the opposition didn’t sleep ... Well, the General Staff showed itself not from the best side in organizing a military operation in Syria. In Afghanistan, 60 percent of soldiers died due to gouging commanders ... Well, yes, the spirits are to blame ...
    1. riding
      riding 3 January 2016 09: 51 New
      0
      About Saynul also seems to be the correct version. after all, Russia after the incident received its advantages: the need to take into account the wishes of a capricious and ambitious neighbor disappeared.
  37. Sakhalin.
    Sakhalin. 1 January 2016 00: 55 New
    0
    Assistants of terrorists, under any circumstances there is no faith!
  38. Roust
    Roust 1 January 2016 07: 12 New
    0
    Late. It's time to change diapers: it stinks for a long time. As they were nits, they remained. It is not for nothing that Russia Mother historically historically drove them back in such cases.
  39. malik1971
    malik1971 1 January 2016 15: 12 New
    0
    managed both ... and to the fullest!
  40. teascher
    teascher 1 January 2016 19: 35 New
    0
    V. Vysotsky And on the neutral band flowers
  41. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 2 January 2016 12: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: avvg
    Mr. Davutoglu! It’s too late to turn on the back!

    Yes, it does not include anything. Most likely, it really was an excess of the performer - the top Turkish political leadership did not plan to shoot down the Russian plane. If only to scare or provoke - nothing more. And the military, whom Erdogan, in violation of the Turkish constitution, took out of the political field (I recall, according to Ataturk’s plan, the army was the guarantor of the Islamists’s non-return to power) decided to make Recep such a slack. Erdogvn and Davutoglu (as the current ideologist of the regime) cannot substitute the army leadership, admitting their guilt of direct disobedience to the president. As well as condemning the immediate culprits, the military will definitely not approve of this. It remains only to menacingly puff out cheeks and sculpt some children's excuses.
    Rave. For if they hadn’t planned it, they would have immediately apologized, and not carried the blizzard. And experts are talking about pre-planned action.
  42. Easyboss
    Easyboss 2 January 2016 13: 54 New
    0
    No, well, it’s clear that he forgets what he said earlier. This is called sclerosis - what to do is not a boy already. But then there remains the assertion that in the same 17 seconds the pilot of the Turkish fighter managed to warn our pilots 10 times that they violated the airspace of Turkey. What is to be done with this?
  43. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 2 January 2016 14: 15 New
    +1
    Oh damn the virus that struck Ukraine and got to Turkey ,,, the first signs of defeat by this virus are the inadequacy of statements .... we are waiting for a friend .. they shot down themselves ...
  44. tor978
    tor978 2 January 2016 17: 18 New
    +1
    Begins to deny because the tourist season is just around the corner. But let the Germans come instead of the Russians, well, according to the passport, they will be Germans, and refugees by origin, then the Turks will think about it, although it is unlikely ...