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The representative of "Naftogaz": Kiev "radically raised the rate" on the transit of Russian gas

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Kiev significantly raised the tariff for the transit of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine, reports RIA News the message of the Director of Development "Naftogaz" Yuri Vitrenko.




“Ukraine has finally radically raised Gazprom’s transit rate (in full compliance with European principles),” Vitrenko wrote in Facebook. True, he did not specify a new price. Nor did she indicate the date from which she would begin to act.

According to him, “the new tariff applies to all gas transportation services through main gas pipelines, regardless of whether it is transit or domestic transport.”

To the question “when Ukraine will bill Gazprom,” the director replied: “While we are preparing.”

The agency recalls that the previous rate was "2,7 dollars for transporting thousands of cubic meters per 100 kilometers." Kiev has repeatedly expressed the desire to raise it to $ 5. At the same time, the government stated that it intends to prolong the transit agreement after 2019 as well, since Russia has no other way to transport gas to Europe.

In turn, Gazprom announced the construction of gas pipelines on the seabed, bypassing Ukraine.
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  1. gas-5903
    gas-5903 31 December 2015 08: 34 New
    29
    Few discounts were given on gas; more was needed then, due to the price of transit, all gas will remain in Ukropia and it will be the largest Geyropeiskaya country seller of gas
    1. cukko55
      cukko55 31 December 2015 08: 50 New
      125
      That's what F.M. wrote Dostoevsky about the Slavs of Europe:

      "... по внутреннему убеждению моему, самому полному и непреодолимому - не будет у России, и никогда еще не было, таких ненавистников, завистников,клеветников и даже явных врагов, как все эти славянские племена, чуть только их Россия освободит, а Европа согласится признать их освобожденными!...., - у них характер в этом смысле как у всех, - а именно потому, что такие вещи на свете иначе и происходить не могут.

      .
      After their release, they will begin their new life, I repeat, precisely by asking themselves to be given the pledge and protection of their freedom from Europe, England and Germany, and even Russia will be in a concert of European powers, but they will protection from Russia and will do it.
      They will certainly begin by saying that within themselves, if not directly out loud, they declare themselves and convince themselves that they are not obliged to Russia with the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they hardly escaped Russia’s power-loving intervention by the European concert, and not if Europe had intervened, Russia would have swallowed them right away, "bearing in mind the expansion of the borders and the foundation of the great All-Slavic empire on the enslavement of the Slavs to a greedy, cunning and barbarous Great Russian tribe."
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 31 December 2015 08: 57 New
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        Quote: cukko55
        declare to themselves and convince themselves that they are not obliged to Russia by the slightest gratitude,

        Fedor Mikhailovich was in the root!
        1. Darkmor
          Darkmor 31 December 2015 09: 11 New
          134
          Oh, right now I’ll die laughing - a new hohloperemoga gives positive for the new year.

          Firstly, the transit rate is fixed by the contract. Until the contract is renegotiated, Kiev cannot legally lift it without mutual consent with Gazprom.
          Those. they can OFFER Gazprom to pay more for transit, or they will violate the contract.
          Secondly, the final price of gas for the consumer includes a variable from the transit rate - i.e. the costs will be incurred by the gas consumer, not the seller.

          Add 2 + 2 and we get that Kiev is trying to tear money from the EU, getting bribes for the pipe - and all this disguises for the inner crested maid’s brain, as I can overcome the aggressor, the lord of darkness and the evil empire.
          How will this affect us? No way ...
          Как это отразится на Газпроме? Вероятно, "северный поток-2" встретит еще меньшее сопротивление.
          How will this affect Ukraine? It is likely that those meager chances of maintaining transit will become even more meager.
          Bravo, Ukrainians, I applaud your creative standing!

          And, as they say, the devil is in the details. After all, no one believed, I hope that Ukrainians just did it?
          “The new tariff applies to all gas transportation services by gas pipelines, regardless of whether it’s transit or domestic transport».
          This is where the dog is buried. The fact is that gas for domestic companies in Ukraine is obtained on the border with the Russian Federation, and then the final consumers agree with Naftogaz, which owns the gas pipeline.
          Banal redistribution of cash flows between departments - local businessmen and organizations will pay double transit tax to Uncle Piglet and rabbit Yaytsenyukha to Kiev. And whoever does not pay is the separatist, Putin’s agent - from whom business can be taken away.
          And if Gazprom solves problems with the contract in the Stockholm arbitration - which doesn’t give a damn about hohloperemiry, then Ukrainian entrepreneurs should solve the problems in the Ukrainian court ... the most honest, fair and unbiased court in the world :)
          1. aleks700
            aleks700 31 December 2015 10: 25 New
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            Those. they can OFFER Gazprom to pay more for transit, or they will violate the contract.
            Break the contract! Ah ah! So what. The country is destroying civilians, and here is some kind of contract. Yes, they will beat him. Not the first time.
            1. go21zd45few
              go21zd45few 31 December 2015 19: 54 New
              +2
              Isn’t it time for these Khokhlomuds to cut off gas at all and let them go
              Europe understands. How many can bow before them.
            2. 2С5
              2С5 2 January 2016 07: 51 New
              +2
              ...дык забить-то забьют и че толку? Либо денег не увидят,либо газа,либо ЕС в который они так стремятся и к которому они с х"о"х"л"я"ц"к"о"й хитро.опостью пытаются залезть в карман сделает им аяяяй! laughing
          2. vmorgalov
            vmorgalov 31 December 2015 18: 03 New
            +3
            When Ukrainians end pink dreams?
            1. bovig
              bovig 2 January 2016 08: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: vmorgalov
              When Ukrainians end pink dreams?


              Когда спайс "евроинтегратор" курить перестанут...))))))))
          3. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 2 January 2016 17: 43 New
            0
            Hello everyone. By the way about the details. Many of our companies located their enterprises there. The gain was in cheap and skilled power plus favorable transportation routes. It was an almost convenient place for transporting our goods throughout the CIS. Now the logistics will change dramatically. guaranteed to increase costs. I am very worried about the question. At the expense of whom they will cover the costs. I am afraid that at the expense of us too. The same market was created by our craftsmen. The egg-headed is not so blather that we will remember more than once with a quiet word the now distant Ukraine.
        2. Belousov
          Belousov 31 December 2015 10: 38 New
          60
          It is not for nothing that Chubais hates him so much.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 31 December 2015 11: 17 New
            15
            Quote: Belousov
            No wonder Chubais hates him so much

            Almost any representative of any nation sees his nation as the best, possibly the most holy.
            Но никак видимо не раздражает Чубайса богоизбранность и святость еврейства. Почему-то об этом он молчит и не выражает недовольства. И даже не планирует "разорвать на куски"
            1. EvgNik
              EvgNik 31 December 2015 11: 26 New
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              Quote: Hedgehog
              Almost any representative of any nation sees his nation as the best, perhaps the most holy

              I will explain the quote:
              Anatoly Chubais's mother was called Raisa Efimovna Segal (according to other sources Raisa Haimovna Sagal). Here nationality is easily determined by patronymic and surname. Mom is Jewish.

              And since Jews have a nationality defined by the maternal line, therefore, our Anatoly Borisovich is a Jew.
              1. V.ic
                V.ic 31 December 2015 19: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: EvgNik
                among Jews, nationality is determined by the maternal side, therefore, our Anatoly Borisovich is a Jew.

                In the first part = a priori, in the second part = definitely!
              2. Senior manager
                Senior manager 31 December 2015 20: 00 New
                +2
                In the era of the skirmish, there came across a photo of Chubais in a small tube (bale), and as the veil fell from his eyes, the FSA also considered themselves elected, everything came together here, Obama is Jewish. Something like that.
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              4. Weyland
                Weyland 1 January 2016 17: 08 New
                +2
                So what? His brother is a very decent person, and Tolika hates fiercely! And EBN was never a Jew, but Russia did more harm than all the Jews put together (with the possible exception of Lenin and Trotsky)!
              5. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 2 January 2016 00: 03 New
                0
                And since Jews have a nationality defined by the maternal line, therefore, our Anatoly Borisovich is a Jew.

                Не всегда "еврей" национальность... чаще диагноз hi
          2. Back in USSR
            Back in USSR 31 December 2015 12: 46 New
            +5
            Red jackal
          3. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 31 December 2015 17: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Belousov
            It is not for nothing that Chubais hates him so much.

            Oh, du.rak !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            Found someone to compete with!
            Парадокс из цикла "невероятное в очевидном" или "клоп среди людей - маленький, гадкий, кровь сосет и прячется от личной встречи"...

            There’s nothing to comment on.
            But there is a plus.
            Now it’s easy to explain the essence of Chubais-like creatures ....
            And with a definite conclusion one Chubais will argue ...
          4. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 31 December 2015 19: 23 New
            +1
            and no one will shoot this female dog! ... am
          5. Weyland
            Weyland 1 January 2016 17: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Belousov
            No wonder Chubais hates him so much


            Well, Chubais is far from the first ... All demons его ненавидят - за соответствующее произведение! Ленин Достоевского именовал не иначе как "архискверным"
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        3. Belousov
          Belousov 31 December 2015 10: 38 New
          +2
          It is not for nothing that Chubais hates him so much.
        4. Thronekeeper
          Thronekeeper 1 January 2016 23: 12 New
          +4
          Verily ...
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma 31 December 2015 10: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: cukko55
        That's what F.M. wrote Dostoevsky about the Slavs of Europe:
        good
        It’s a pity you can’t put more than one plus ...
        И в тему 31.12.15 - Блэкаут в Крыму: в Херсонской области снова упала опора ЛЭП "Каховка-Титан";
        In the Kharkov region demolished another monument to Lenin
        1. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 31 December 2015 10: 35 New
          +2
          Yeah, even Poroshenko in a telephone conversation called on European leaders to send peacekeepers to the Donbass in order to finally cope with the Donbass residents.
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      3. vmorgalov
        vmorgalov 31 December 2015 18: 01 New
        0
        You can’t say more precisely.
      4. Skif83
        Skif83 1 January 2016 10: 01 New
        +1
        Just when they will once again be spread rot by Europeans or Obama, you need to squeeze them to the end, so that once washed with bloody tears for life.
        A dog that is closer to you always bites!
        And, frankly, already tired of this ping pong with gas, electricity, etc.
        How to estimate GDP when it gives an order to VTsIOM to conduct a survey, do Crimeans want it to be called Ukrainian in the contract for the supply of electricity to Crimea?
        What is this question of the leader of the largest country in the world?
        If you have been saying for two years that Crimea is ours, then what kind of poll? Or are you sure of your actions and strengths, and you can specifically ask for the blathering of eggs, at least a debt of more than 3 billion, or do you doubt and then begin to conduct surveys ...?
        There is no need to wait for the foul dill to invent worse, but to this it goes, impunity ALWAYS gives rise to the illusion of its own significance.
        It is necessary to strangle the outskirts intensively, in all directions, so that there is no rest, so howl from their square, crawl on your knees!
        Who thinks it is possible differently is naive.
        And Dostoevsky, and not only him, is a confirmation of this axiom!
        1. Kvazar
          Kvazar 3 January 2016 14: 53 New
          0
          Быстро только кролики) А "опрос" был не ради "опроса" а что бы не воняли что на НГ без света. Обычный гамбит и не более. Не быть Вам политиком ))))
          Я Вам по секрету скажу...Украина это груз на шее. На кого повесят тот и утонет дураков нема. Стратегическое значение Украина давно потеряла. Самое интересное что США хотят повесить Украину или на ЕС или на РФ. И они и мы от такого "подарка" в 40 лямов нищих с разрушенной промышленностью и комуникациями что это не только РФ не вытянет, но и ЕС (это почти 8 % их населения). И держат ее на плаву только по причине что СП2 еще строят и гуляй поле не нужно.
          Все это было понятно еще десяток лет назад. Для создания вертолетных движков работают большем10 лет уже...и то не успели закрыть вопрос. А все эти "санкции" и импортозамещение нужны только для ослабления мирового кризиса который по нам больно ударил.
    2. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 31 December 2015 08: 51 New
      10
      He raised the rate we are for the EU and who is in the red laughing
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 31 December 2015 08: 59 New
        +2
        “Ukraine has finally radically raised Gazprom’s transit rate (in full compliance with European principles),” Vitrenko wrote in Facebook. True, he did not specify a new price. Nor did she indicate the date from which she would begin to act.

        In connection with the coming frosts, Ukraine is now unlikely to raise the price for transit, especially not indicate the date until these frosts end. Here, after warming, we are waiting for the presentation of their new Wishlist.
      2. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 31 December 2015 09: 01 New
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        We are always in the red. The people of Russia are in the red. Since, according to long-standing practice, it is the people who pay for everything.
        Even those grandmothers who live in a remote village who have never had gas and will pay more in the new year for goods and products. IMHO
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 31 December 2015 09: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Mama_Cholli
          We are always in the red. The people of Russia are in the red. Since, according to long-standing practice, it is the people who pay for everything.

          all right. GP transfers its costs to the domestic consumer. This is a tradition. Happy New Gas!
        2. Vitaly Ivanov
          Vitaly Ivanov 31 December 2015 10: 14 New
          +1
          What do we expect from the New Year - only a new price increase.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 31 December 2015 11: 33 New
            +1
            Цитата: Виталий Иванов
            only a new price increase.

            And no one will ever wait for a free dollar. Even in the states, it is subject to inflation. And in Soviet times I especially remember the second half of the 20th century. Here and there, prices slowly and surely rose. In the morning you go to the department store, and it is closed for rediscounting, And the next day there, in the windows, there are new price tags.
            1. Vitaly Ivanov
              Vitaly Ivanov 31 December 2015 13: 25 New
              +1
              I agree. And now, even for rediscounting, no one is closing. Just every January, the first of the day, the price tag for tariffs, etc. changes. And from July 1, by the way, too.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 31 December 2015 14: 39 New
                +1
                Цитата: Виталий Иванов
                Now nobody even closes for rediscounting

                Because today the ball is ruled by His Majesty Computer. Introduced a new course for recalculating price tags and give it to print. Sellers tomorrow morning and lay them out.
        3. AlexTires
          AlexTires 31 December 2015 10: 21 New
          +2
          Plus! Toka yesterday renewed the FTA agreement with Ukraine in terms of gas duties ... that is, in this part they gave me an indulgence, and we don’t see that all the burden falls on us, and three people are hiding from the people of Ukraine ...
        4. Senior manager
          Senior manager 31 December 2015 20: 12 New
          0
          All over the world and at all times the people paid for everything. Ineffective management - that’s what it is called, well, the rulers need to somehow cover their mistakes, and the people are a lot of people, each with a ruble - that’s the money. So all nations are in that position.
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 31 December 2015 09: 12 New
        +7
        Quote: kod3001
        He raised the rate we are for the EU and who is in the red


        Я понимаю так, что увеличение цены транзита автоматом ложится на стоимость газа для потребителя (стран ЕС). Так-что мы в сем случае ничего не теряем, а вот у бывшей Украины возникнут "тёрки" с ЕС по этому поводу. Если так, то вперёд и с песней.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 31 December 2015 09: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Lelek
          Я понимаю так, что увеличение цены транзита автоматом ложится на стоимость газа для потребителя (стран ЕС). Так-что мы в сем случае ничего не теряем, а вот у бывшей Украины возникнут "тёрки" с ЕС

          too simplistic.
          1. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 31 December 2015 10: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            Quote: Lelek
            Я понимаю так, что увеличение цены транзита автоматом ложится на стоимость газа для потребителя (стран ЕС). Так-что мы в сем случае ничего не теряем, а вот у бывшей Украины возникнут "тёрки" с ЕС

            too simplistic.


            But it’s clear.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 31 December 2015 11: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            too simplistic.

            the main thing is that without unnecessary words it is clear what the person wanted to say. Who wants more difficult can find it on their own.
        2. Atrix
          Atrix 31 December 2015 11: 45 New
          -3
          Quote: Lelek
          I understand that the increase in the price of transit automatically falls on the cost of gas for the consumer (EU countries).

          I think you are wrong. If this were so, then Gazprom would only approve the increase in transit prices so that the EU would feel this on the price of gas and not put a stick in the wheel of Gazprom through gas bypass pipelines. And seeing the reaction of the company and the silent reaction of the EU, it is most likely that the transit price does not affect the selling price of gas in the EU.
      4. anfil
        anfil 31 December 2015 09: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: kod3001
        He raised the rate we are for the EU and who is in the red laughing


        Judging by the statement Vitrenko: - “The new tariff applies to all gas transportation services by gas pipelines, regardless of whether it is transit or domestic transport. ”

        They raise the tariff for gas transportation for their consumers (domestic transport), claiming that it is overpowering Muscovites.
        1. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 31 December 2015 20: 01 New
          0
          They raise the tariff for gas transportation for their consumers (domestic transport), claiming that it is overpowering Muscovites.
          So there everyone considers the people around him to be Putin's agents. wassat
      5. Aleksander
        Aleksander 31 December 2015 09: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: kod3001
        He raised the rate we are for the EU and who is in the red



        I’m afraid that this is not so, since the price with European countries has already been established by contracts, which also states that the duty of transit is to Gazprom. And how much Gazprom spends on transportation —2 dollars or 20 dollars — is of least concern to them.
      6. kuz363
        kuz363 31 December 2015 09: 40 New
        +2
        If this were so, then Gazprom would not object to an increase in transit payments. Apparently not so simple. It’s just that some EU consumers may later spread to other gas suppliers with a lower price. And this is minus Gazprom
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 1 January 2016 15: 43 New
          0
          Quote: kuz363
          The EU may further spread to other gas suppliers with a lower price

          And where do they dig these suppliers?
      7. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 31 December 2015 10: 39 New
        -2
        He raised the bid we are for the EU and who is in the red laughing


        We are in the red as it is impossible to raise the price of gas to heaven. Moreover, we pay the Ukrainians the war in the Donbass from our own pockets.
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    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 31 December 2015 09: 10 New
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      Quote: gas-5903
      gave gas discounts need more then

      Do not grieve too much.
      Газ даже со скидками по средней европейской цене, его и по этой цене укропы не покупают из-за недостачи "маней", а цена транзита назначается вовсе не по европейским принципам, а прописана в контракте. Её так просто не увеличишь.
      Gazprom, despite all the filth, in 2015 sold an almost record amount of gas to Europe.
      Therefore, without panic, we experienced hunger, we will survive and abundance!
      Happy New Year, everyone!
    4. demon1978
      demon1978 31 December 2015 09: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: gas-5903
      Dill and she will be the greatest geyropeysky country seller of gas



      В свете реализации проекта "Северный поток-2" Украина не должна потерять свою роль страны — транзитера газа. Об этом заявила канцлер Германии Ангела Меркель на пресс-конференции по итогам работы саммита ЕС в Брюсселе, передает ТАСС.


      Kakly will believe ... request They are immensely naive yes
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 31 December 2015 10: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: demon1978
        В свете реализации проекта "Северный поток-2" Украина не должна потерять свою роль страны — транзитера газа. Об этом заявила канцлер Германии Ангела Меркель на пресс-конференции по итогам работы саммита ЕС в Брюсселе, передает ТАСС.


        Well, what is the New Year without this crow, how not to shout something?
        And brew the hatch.
    5. Vend
      Vend 31 December 2015 09: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: gas-5903
      Few discounts were given on gas; more was needed then, due to the price of transit, all gas will remain in Ukropia and it will be the largest Geyropeiskaya country seller of gas

      Due to higher transit prices, gas prices for Europe will be raised. So Svidomo will have to get under such a press from the EU, that the dead would envy him.
    6. viktor561
      viktor561 31 December 2015 11: 12 New
      +1
      Leech country - yes - yes leech sticking to the pipe blinks something - well, well, a great reason for Merkel to lobby Nord Stream-2
    7. Persistent
      Persistent 31 December 2015 15: 48 New
      0
      Few discounts were given on gas; more was needed then, due to the price of transit, all gas will remain in Ukropia and it will be the largest Geyropeiskaya country seller of gas


      The cost of transit through the outskirts must be driven into the total price of deliveries !!! Let the unaltered and further increase the price !!!
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 31 December 2015 08: 35 New
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    Значит, для Европы цена на газ поднимется? Транспортные издержки "Газпром" на себя же вешать не будет? Еще один аргумент в пользу отказа ЕС от украинского газового транзита и поиска ему альтернативы. В итоге, продавят немцы с французами "Северный поток-2", а итальянцы, возможно - "Южный". На вопли "младоевропейцев" о неприемлемости отказа перекачки газа через украинскую ГТС Старая Европа забьёт большой болт - они деньги считать умеют.
    And, once again, their own legendary greed and cunning will destroy Ukrainians ..
    1. cukko55
      cukko55 31 December 2015 08: 53 New
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      HERE AND FAIRY TALE THE END - and who saw the GOOD FELLOW!
      .."Какое небо голубое!
      We are not supporters of robbery.
      A fool doesn’t need a knife:
      you’re lying to him with three boxes -
      и делай с ним что хошь."
      It's time to stop messing with Dill. it's time to admit that today's power in Ukropia is the ENEMIES of RUSSIA. Hollow in full, according to UMU ,!
      1. captain
        captain 31 December 2015 09: 08 New
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        Это не есть хорошо, у нас будут проблемы с ЕС, а значит и с деньгами. Газпрому придется или пойти на условия ЕС и все наши газовые трубопроводы вывести в отдельную компанию ( как это сделали нефтяники-"Транснефть") или будет терять контракты и значит деньги. Жадность наших хозяев "Газрома" может принести непоправимый ущерб нашему государству.Интересно что победит, жадность или трезвый расчет?
        1. Homo
          Homo 31 December 2015 09: 18 New
          +6
          Quote: captain
          This is not good, we will have problems with the EU, and therefore with money.

          Iron logic! Ukraine raises the price of transit and the problem will be with us? My friend, in a market economy, all overhead costs (including transportation) are included in the price.
          1. captain
            captain 1 January 2016 11: 52 New
            +2
            My friend, we have an agreement with the EU for the supply of gas to a specific point in Slovakia, and we decide all the overhead costs with Ukraine ourselves. If Ukraine raises transit prices to the maximum, then Qatar gas may turn out to be cheaper and then it will be too late to mock. When we refused to pay for the stolen gas from our pockets, we were fined, which our Motherland is modestly silent about. We paid for them, and gas to our population modestly increased in price. This is for dermocrats invented the laws of a market economy. For example; Germany refused to fulfill a number of contracts for our Moscow Region, the reason is the accession of Crimea, is this in your opinion a market economy?
      2. 72jora72
        72jora72 31 December 2015 10: 34 New
        +1
        It's time to stop messing with Dill. it's time to admit that today's power in Ukropia is the ENEMIES of RUSSIA. Hollow in full, according to UMU ,!
        But who argues that pathological inadequacies came to power there, it was clear from the very beginning. Our attempts to conduct some civilized affairs with Ukraine only lead to the understanding that they cannot be dealt with in principle ..... this is complete least applies to Minsk-2.
      3. anfil
        anfil 31 December 2015 14: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: cukko55
        It's time to stop messing with Dill. it's time to admit that today's power in Ukropia is the ENEMIES of RUSSIA. Hollow in full, according to UMU ,!

    2. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 31 December 2015 09: 07 New
      -3
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      So, for Europe, the price of gas will rise?

      why? Europe pays for gas from its border. Transit to her side. In addition, Nafta there calculated its losses by $ 6 billion. and threatens GP with a fine of 30% of the amount.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 31 December 2015 09: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        Europe pays for gas from its border.


        In this case, it is necessary to declare an emergency mode and put the pipes and stations for repair and maintenance, first somewhere for a year, and then we will see.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 31 December 2015 09: 32 New
          -2
          Quote: Lelek
          In this case, you need to declare emergency mode and put the pipes and stations for repair

          It seems to me that the GP is not in a position to grimace or blackmail someone.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 31 December 2015 10: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            It seems to me that GP is not in a position to grimace or blackmail someone

            Не забывайте, "Газпром" - наше всё! Будет политическое решение высшего руководства России, не только аварийный режим объявят, но и за валюту прекратят газ в ЕС продавать. Только за сосновые шишки, к примеру. Пусть их, для оплаты, европейцы в Сибири покупают, по курсу.
        2. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 31 December 2015 20: 22 New
          +1
          In this case, it is necessary to declare an emergency mode and put the pipes and stations for repair and maintenance, first somewhere for a year, and then we will see.
          We need to act in a European manner. The Ukrainians recently declared Gazprom a transit gas monopolist and demand a fine of 3 billion greens, and now they are going to raise the transportation tariff. If the Europeans allow them to do this despite the current contract, Gazprom does not have to wait 19 and announce a competition to pump its gas through Ukraine and if there are no other transit companies besides Nafta, recognize it as not complying with any European standards regarding monopolies and stop this circus with gas transit through a banderostan.
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 31 December 2015 09: 24 New
        +9
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.
        . In addition, Nafta there calculated its losses by $ 6 billion. and threatens GP with a fine of 30% of the amount.

        "Газпром" с 2009 г. поставлял Украине газ по правилу "бери или плати" В 2009—2013 гг было поставлено 150 млрд. кубометров на $47 млрд., хотя по контракту должно быть экспортировано как минимум 206 млрд. кубов на $70 млрд. Т.е. долг "Нафтогаза" - $23 млрд. При этом "Газпром" выставил штраф только по итогам 2012 и 2013 гг. - $7 млрд. Будут хохлы упорствовать - получат в Стокгольмском арбитраже иск на всю сумму. Не представляю, чем Украина будет подтверждать свою правоту, но налицо прямое нарушение условий контракта на поставку продукции. Пусть хохлы и называют этот договор "политическим", но, с точки зрения коммерческого права, подобные оправдания - ничтожный фактор.
  3. press officer
    press officer 31 December 2015 08: 35 New
    +9
    let them drive to Gubakha! There, free lip-filling machines are handed out to everyone! laughing
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 31 December 2015 08: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: press attache
      let them drive to Gubakha!

      belay
      Earth-yak !! fellow
      Quote: press attache
      There, free lip-filling machines are handed out to everyone!

      It's Easy! yes Nobody complained about their quality yet. laughing
      1. andj61
        andj61 31 December 2015 10: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        Quote: press attache
        There, free lip-filling machines are handed out to everyone!
        Easy! Nobody complained about their quality yet.

        Like these ones? fellow
      2. worldofpain
        worldofpain 1 January 2016 07: 32 New
        0
        And why didn’t you roll your lips to your former neighbor, fellow countryman Muzychko from Kizel?
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 31 December 2015 09: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: press attache
      There, free lip-filling machines are handed out to everyone!

      Кухонная мебель под названием "скалка"? lol
    3. Pule
      Pule 31 December 2015 09: 42 New
      +2
      Is this about GazPrem? repeat or...
    4. EvgNik
      EvgNik 31 December 2015 11: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: press attache
      let them drive to Gubakha!

      Neighbor, Happy New Year! I am from Alexandrovsk.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 31 December 2015 19: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: EvgNik
        from Alexandrovsk.

        Earth-i-ya-yak !! fellow
        Happy New Year fellow countryman! drinks
  4. The black
    The black 31 December 2015 08: 36 New
    12
    So what's next? The gas charge for Ukraine is calculated according to the formula where the transit fee is taken into account. So the flag is in their hands ... smile If the monopoly increases the cost of transit, another monopolist (Gazprom) has the right to increase the cost of gas without violating antitrust laws. In addition, Ukraine thus violates the very Euro-energy Charter and provokes an increase in gas prices for Europe.
    Merkel is interested in a low price of non-gas, so as not to lower the competitiveness of its producers. She simply tears up the clowns of Yatsenyuk, Porosh and others for such moronic offers.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 31 December 2015 08: 46 New
      +2
      But this will not happen ... Here the economy does not work, GREAT POLICY works here ... Here the principle is, let it be worse for us, but the enemy will be bent ..
      Quote: Black
      So what's next? The gas charge for Ukraine is calculated according to the formula where the transit fee is taken into account. So the flag is in their hands ... smile If the monopoly increases the cost of transit, another monopolist (Gazprom) has the right to increase the cost of gas without violating antitrust laws. In addition, Ukraine thus violates the very Euro-energy Charter and provokes an increase in gas prices for Europe.
      Merkel is interested in a low price of non-gas, so as not to lower the competitiveness of its producers. She simply tears up the clowns of Yatsenyuk, Porosh and others for such moronic offers.
      1. kebeskin
        kebeskin 31 December 2015 08: 48 New
        +2
        I think the Europeans will be delighted with the new gas price. And they will already have another conversation with crested rabbits and other animals
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 31 December 2015 09: 08 New
          -2
          Quote: kebeskin
          I think the Europeans will be delighted with the new gas price.

          there will be no new price for Europeans.
      2. The black
        The black 31 December 2015 08: 53 New
        +3
        Ну, пока что это только заявление "Нафты" Ни срок начала повышения ( если оно вообще случится), ни сумму на которую они повысят пока не озвучивали...так что это действительно "большая " политика....
    2. anfil
      anfil 31 December 2015 09: 18 New
      +1
      The transit fee is not taken into account in that formula when calculating gas. The transit price is negotiated by another contract.
      The gas calculation formula takes into account the price of fuel oil with a sulfur content of 1% in US dollars.



      Gas contract: http: //www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2009/01/22/4462671/
    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 31 December 2015 09: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Black
      Gas charges for Ukraine are calculated using a formula that takes into account transit fees.

      why do you think so? The formula includes the initial gas price, coefficient and oil price.
      Quote: Black
      Thus, Ukraine violates the very Euro-energy Charter and provokes an increase in gas prices for Europe.

      she does not violate anything. The third energy package provides for the removal of transport from the control of the supplier. Ukraine is not a supplier. Europe does not pay for transit. It receives gas at a contract price at the EU border. But in connection with the entry of UA into the economic space of the EU, it seems that the old patterns will change.
  5. air wolf
    air wolf 31 December 2015 08: 36 New
    +2
    Probably Eurorasts will still continue to build the southern stream and everyone will be fine, except for Ukro-USA laughing
  6. bronik
    bronik 31 December 2015 08: 36 New
    17
    The main desire of Hohland is for Russia to supply gas for free, and pay for transit. This is exactly what the European market looks like in Ukraine.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 31 December 2015 08: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: bronik
      The main desire of Hohland is for Russia to supply gas for free, and pay for transit.

      You are out of your mind! Ukraine wants Russia to pay Ukraine for the supplied gas, pay for transit as much as Ukraine wants, and even ask Ukraine to buy gas.
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 31 December 2015 08: 51 New
        +3
        But in fact the way it is.
        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 31 December 2015 09: 08 New
          +2
          Zhirinovsky is right! Ulyukaeva and K. were greedy. Gas had to be sold on the border with Ukraine and let the transit consumers end up with it themselves. Now Ukraine doesn’t buy gas from Russia at all, it costs a reverse with a bunch of intermediaries too, by the way causing greed. Remember the humiliating negotiations in 14 -m for the price. And who persuaded whom, made concessions? Even the end-consumer of the EU was not on the side of Gazprom. And the Nord Stream? So who is persuading anyone to buy (sell) gas ?!
          1. DobryAAH
            DobryAAH 31 December 2015 11: 04 New
            +2
            It is necessary to leave transit through Ukraine. It will be necessary, they will simply blow up the pipes. In general, for the gradual abandonment of hydrocarbon exports to the West, it is necessary to change the structure of the economy. What will we be milk cow for paper?
  7. i80186
    i80186 31 December 2015 08: 38 New
    +3
    The logic is iron, however, as always. We are almost in the EU, which means we can increase the price for our new allies. The Poles are surely happy. winked
  8. Trailer
    Trailer 31 December 2015 08: 40 New
    +8
    Uryayaya !!! They raised the price of transit, but never guessed to clarify that, according to tradition, the end user pays for everything from the national wealth. Walk Europe, wait for the guests.
  9. Same lech
    Same lech 31 December 2015 08: 41 New
    +3
    Kiev has significantly raised the tariff for the transit of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine, reports RIA Novosti with a message from Yuri Vitrenko, Naftogaz Development Director.


    And not only...
    in the Crimea, dill again chopped off the supply of electricity without warning.
    Meanwhile, our GDP signs a decree


    Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the resumption of the clause of the Free Trade Area Agreement (FTA), which is devoted to customs duties on natural gas exported to Ukraine.


    Vladimir Vladimirovich ... this is how to understand ...
    again, our dill brothers are going to milk us like a cash cow ... I don’t understand anything in your action what what
    1. tag
      tag 31 December 2015 09: 28 New
      -2
      Politics my friend, politeness .........
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 31 December 2015 11: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: ferret
        Politics my friend, politeness.

        please translate the first and third words of your phrase into literary Russian.
    2. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 31 December 2015 11: 32 New
      +1
      Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the resumption of the clause of the Free Trade Area Agreement (FTA), which is devoted to customs duties on natural gas exported to Ukraine.

      I think that in order to ease the load on SOEs and maintain markets, the price of hydrocarbons is so low. By the way, I expect that oil will be filled up by 20 per barrel, they are militantly tuned. Gas will fill up accordingly. Well, why sell good at such prices?
  10. Vyacheslav 1359
    Vyacheslav 1359 31 December 2015 08: 41 New
    -1
    "Не зъим, так пинадкусую..."
  11. ovod84
    ovod84 31 December 2015 08: 43 New
    +1
    Which proves with this state of affairs it is better to have less, and it would be better not to have at all.
  12. HAM
    HAM 31 December 2015 08: 44 New
    +3
    When does real winter come to Russia? Then, when Ukrainians start dancing around their pipe and other people's gas ...
  13. evil partisan
    evil partisan 31 December 2015 08: 48 New
    +1
    Gazprom, of course, will not pay ukram at the new rate. Whether hahly will decide to block trips, that’s the question ... They have long gone into all seriouss, so ...
  14. vkras4
    vkras4 31 December 2015 08: 50 New
    +3
    They have everything globally, radically, ecumenically and galactically ...
  15. holod19
    holod19 31 December 2015 08: 57 New
    +1
    We need to give them even more discounts, and for e-energy too, we are rich, kind !!! The people of the Russian Federation will pay for everything !!!
    We have a moronic government !!!
  16. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 31 December 2015 08: 57 New
    +3
    Есть две котегории людей-первые решают свои проблемы сами и мирно,а вторые во всём винят соседей и постоянно воюют со всеми.я про то что против второц категории нужны более решительные меры-провительство для начала должно забыть словосочитание"братский народ"по отношению к укроине,и самыми жесткими методами реализовывать по отношению к этому терреториальному недоразумению принцип"за всё надо платить!".
  17. The black
    The black 31 December 2015 09: 03 New
    +4
    Quote: dmi.pris
    .There the economy doesn’t work, GREAT POLICY works here..There is the principle, let it be worse for us, but the enemy will be bent ..

    Dmitry, just in this particular case, will work. A large economy is always associated with big politics. ALWAYS !!! As an acknowledgment of my words, I will give an example: Germany threw a bolt at the squeals of the Young Europeans about the inadmissibility of the construction of Nord Stream-2, and stated that it would not refuse it ...
  18. Shooting
    Shooting 31 December 2015 09: 06 New
    +1
    In general, the prospects for Ukraine are gloomy. Transit money should purposefully be spent on repairs and updating, just transport infrastructure. In fact, money is not invested in infrastructure and its deplorable state. Considering that there will be no transit at all from 2019, there will be no money whatsoever for maintaining the infrastructure. Therefore, soon the infrastructure itself will not (rot), but there will be no infrastructure and gas will not be needed at all, how to transport it.
    Итог пора засаживать сверхплодородный чернозём так называемой энергетической ивой. Через три года "урожай" - пили и грейся.

    Full non-volatility !!!
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 31 December 2015 09: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Shooting
      Given the fact that from 2019 there will be no transit at all,

      It will be, but miserable, only to Moldova.
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 31 December 2015 11: 41 New
        -2
        The 19th year, according to my calculations, is already close to the general outlook, after which we will finish the sale of hydrocarbons to Europe, because she will be in a slum condition. The closer the term to 25, the more likely a global conflict.
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    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 December 2015 10: 40 New
      0
      As soon as the gas runs out in the Ukrainian transit system of pipelines, they will immediately begin to disassemble it into metal. Happy New Year 2016 to all.
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 31 December 2015 11: 44 New
        0
        As soon as the gas runs out in the Ukrainian transit system of pipelines, they will immediately begin to disassemble it into metal.


        No sooner, Russia will be there earlier.
        1. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 31 December 2015 16: 00 New
          +1
          For those who disagree. What will you do when foreign parts are trampled into Ukraine, and yet they will trample on these cattle, it is not in vain that they are fed. In what form this will be, this is a separate question. Or will we continue to click, accuse Putin? The whole history after the collapse of the USSR is indicative of the movement of the Western Armed Forces on us. So will we fight, or will we put our paws together?
          Ukraine itself is not really what we need. But it craps constantly, especially by inviting various western parts to our side. Will we silently wrap around and look at the traffic?
  19. v245721
    v245721 31 December 2015 09: 08 New
    0
    Yes, how long has Russia woken up with this Ukraine fool . apparently the Turks in Syria beat their natives and the Russian guild in Hohland. bully
  20. Leader
    Leader 31 December 2015 09: 13 New
    +5
    Why is the government of Russia so incomprehensibly kind towards Dill? And to other countries?
    Why is this government always only a bum turned to its people?
    I don’t understand anything.
  21. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 31 December 2015 09: 14 New
    +3
    At our expense, half the world lives. Recently, a countrywoman came to visit from South Africa. He says he won’t come back for anything - it’s much better there. And as long as I remember youth, the USSR was still fighting for the liberation of South Africa from colonialism, together with Mandela.
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 31 December 2015 11: 49 New
      0
      Great Zusula warriors (Zulus) do not bother? They say they occupy and shit in city offices there.
  22. sl22277
    sl22277 31 December 2015 09: 18 New
    0
    Soon, Dill will turn from a "great transit power" into a "transit desert", from which, as a leper, all sane people will shy away. Moreover, its own authorities turn it into this desert. Both Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk once held the posts of Ukrainian Foreign Ministers, so they know the main principle of international relations - the principle of parity. According to him, any self-respecting state reacts to unfriendly steps towards itself by similar actions. And it is not yet known what and to whom it will turn out to be more painful - an action or a symmetrical reaction.
  23. Stinger
    Stinger 31 December 2015 09: 19 New
    +2
    Raise the price of coal for the same amount.
  24. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 31 December 2015 09: 31 New
    0
    Очередная утка своему народу, типа: "Вот мы поднимам плату с эих русских". Все, все проблемы решены. Изменить тариф они смогут только когда кончится действие доп соглашение. Так же как и Газпром не может изменить тариф европейским потребителям тогда, когда этого захочется. Все закреплено документами.
  25. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 31 December 2015 09: 33 New
    +1
    Well, finally, they waited. Kiev went on the offensive. He steps on his throat.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 31 December 2015 09: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Al_oriso
      Kiev went on the offensive. He steps on his throat.

      с чего это "себе"?
      Talk about raising the transit rate was carried out in March. Demchishin then spoke of 30%, linking this to a drop in transit volumes. SOEs had to increase volumes from April 1 to avoid price revision. These are all old songs.
  26. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 31 December 2015 09: 37 New
    11
    Совсем не умные люди, не учатся на чужих ошибках, а если претендуют на профессионализм то должны знать историю отрасли. Лет так немало обратно, маленькая транзитная страна пыталась "выдоить" транзит, игнорируя намеки восточного соседа, мол не надо так. В ответ тоже звучало - а куда вы денетесь?! В итоге новый порт под Питером построен, транзитная труба померла. Спустя десяток лет сами обратились - может договоримся? Да ради Бога, трубу востановите сами, а сосед обещал подумать. Ремонт, после десяти лет простоя, оказался в десятизначную длину - клиент мертв.
    If you have raped something with the Russians, taking advantage of their weakness, do not hope - they will regroup and will return to receive their compensation. If I’m not mistaken, then Bismarck, and he was very smart, and he knew Russia by hearsay.
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 31 December 2015 09: 38 New
    0
    Starting tomorrow, we are closing the border for Ukrainian goods.
    Then Ukraine ceases to subsidize its farmers.
    Then trade in agricultural products is prohibited in Ukraine,
    if it does not comply with EU standards.
    In short, it’s good if Ukrainians have enough grown food to feed themselves ...
    It’s clear that we will have sucks, but they have kapets in general.
    And yet, the winter in Ukraine will be warm again.
  28. Hammer
    Hammer 31 December 2015 09: 43 New
    -1
    Так платить за повышение все равно будет европа, не? Или истории с "конечным потребителем" работают только с платоном??
  29. Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 31 December 2015 09: 48 New
    +1
    Интересный парадокс получается, вроде у власти на Украине стоят люди не Украинской национальности, ими руководят дяди из-за бугра, тоже не украинец.нац. Но за их решения виноватым остается народ. Это видно даже на форуме, когда говорят про "хохлов". Лично я, когда говорят про хохлов представляю простых людей, которые точно уж не виноваты, что им поставили правительство "ждущих", которые даже не сами принимают решения.
  30. Taygerus
    Taygerus 31 December 2015 10: 10 New
    0
    Quote: wicked partisan
    Quote: press attache
    let them drive to Gubakha!

    belay
    Earth-yak !! fellow
    Quote: press attache
    There, free lip-filling machines are handed out to everyone!

    It's Easy! yes Nobody complained about their quality yet. laughing


    fellow countrymen happy new year!
    1. worldofpain
      worldofpain 1 January 2016 07: 37 New
      0
      Happy new year fellow countryman. May all your wishes come true in the new year and may there be peace in the whole world.
  31. anfil
    anfil 31 December 2015 10: 13 New
    +5
    Quote: Gor-1974
    Лично я, когда говорят про хохлов представляю простых людей, которые точно уж не виноваты, что им поставили правительство "ждущих", которые даже не сами принимают решения.


  32. Prutkov
    Prutkov 31 December 2015 10: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Zeppelin ml.
    Quote: Black
    Gas charges for Ukraine are calculated using a formula that takes into account transit fees.

    why do you think so? The formula includes the initial gas price, coefficient and oil price.
    Quote: Black
    Thus, Ukraine violates the very Euro-energy Charter and provokes an increase in gas prices for Europe.

    she does not violate anything. The third energy package provides for the removal of transport from the control of the supplier. Ukraine is not a supplier. Europe does not pay for transit. It receives gas at a contract price at the EU border. But in connection with the entry of UA into the economic space of the EU, it seems that the old patterns will change.

    You are right - the price of gas for the EU will not change, because Europe buys gas on the western border of Ukraine. But, firstly, the Ukrainian pipe is not at all Gazprom's, it is still Ukrainian. Yes, Ukraine itself is not in the EU and its 3rd energy package is very conditional. He wants to do it - let him do it. But obligations under other contracts concluded before, no one has canceled. A precedent is being created for gas extraction. What will Gazprom do here. I think that he will announce force majeure. Ukraine over the past two years has already shown itself to be an unreliable transit country (power line explosions), a civil war. Gazprom warned the EU about this. The fact that Ukraine runs into a scandal is understandable.
  33. fa2998
    fa2998 31 December 2015 10: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: kod3001
    He raised the rate we are for the EU and who is in the red laughing

    Европа не только в России газ покупает.Решение Киева-это удар по конкурентной цене.В конце-концов подымая транзитную ставку можно добиться,что российский газ перестанут покупать.Легче купить в Африке или на Ближнем Востоке.И "кураторы"Украины за Атлантикой грозятся обеспечить Европу газом.В их них интересах и действует Киев. hi
  34. Vitaly Ivanov
    Vitaly Ivanov 31 December 2015 10: 22 New
    +2
    The Ukrainian authorities can not decide anything on their own, everything is decided across the ocean.
    1. anfil
      anfil 31 December 2015 14: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Vitaly Ivanov
      The Ukrainian authorities can not decide anything on their own, everything is decided across the ocean.


      Not only from across the ocean, there are also visiting experts from the high mountains of the Caucasus.
  35. PValery53
    PValery53 31 December 2015 10: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: Leader
    Why is the government of Russia so incomprehensibly kind towards Dill? And to other countries?
    Why is this government always only a bum turned to its people?
    I don’t understand anything.

    - And what is incomprehensible here? - Simply, the interests of the Russian people and their rulers are ANTAGONISTIC (opposite, opposing each other). Therefore, absolutely all factors of the global economy supposedly harm our ruble and worsen our economic situation. And with skillful economic management, these same factors should increase the ruble exchange rate and improve our lives. As a result, the robbery of the people under economic demagogy.
  36. Leprekon
    Leprekon 31 December 2015 10: 26 New
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    If one carrier raises the price, then these buses go empty, and the authorities are looking for another carrier! So here, North 2 will quickly become in demand, and there, they will recall South, because its own shirt is closer to the body (this is about the EU and its Outskirts).
  37. APS
    APS 31 December 2015 10: 44 New
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    Empty words! Surely everything is written in the contract, and prices and factors affecting the increase in transit cost. And as for the gas pipeline, it will certainly be laid, and not through the ruin.
  38. Belousov
    Belousov 31 December 2015 10: 55 New
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    The command to raise tariffs is clearly given from Fashington, the higher the price of gas - the higher the cost of goods (German, French, etc.) - the lower the competitiveness relative to the US.
  39. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 31 December 2015 10: 55 New
    +1
    Raised a bet on transit? Yes, any number. Under the agreement, Russia pays transit in advance and when this money runs out, what will Ukrainians do? Cancel your frostbitten fare? Or block the pipe? Waiting with interest.
  40. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 31 December 2015 12: 13 New
    +6
    So compare. Turkey shot down a plane, two people died. Putin was extremely offended and the embargo began, they pursue Turkish business, consistently tighten rhetoric, everything goes to war, especially without even hiding. At the same time, the Turks constantly say something like yes, they shot down, but let’s forget and we will be friends, ours don’t, apologize, pay money, give the murderer out of harm's way, humiliate and repent. Everything is logical, absolutely correct and logical position of a strong state. We are not ashamed, we support.
    Теперь украина, что бы они не делали, как бы не бесились, им всё спускают с рук. Обстреливали территорию России, убили пару человек гражданских, сколько убили военных никто не знает, и что в ответ? Наши дорогие киевские друзья. Прощается вообще всё. Долг не хотят отдавать, путин предлагает царскую рассрочку, и проводит капитализацию украинских дочек на миллиарды. Которые раздаются в кредит, эти кредиты киев официально разрешил не отдавать, все делают вид что ничего не происходит. Крыму в это же время деньги на год так и не выдали, "куда то делись". Плату за транзит увеличивают? Ничего не будет, предложат скидку какую нибудь. Отрезали крыму электрику - тишина, поставки угля, нефти, газа, солярки, электроэнергии идут по графику. Савичеву судят уже год, чем закончится не понятно, указаний сверху нет, иначе у нас любого за неделю посадить можно.
    Compare when they want - a tough, consistent policy. They are not afraid of anything, neither of a possible war with a NATO member and an enemy of approximately equal strength, no blocking of the straits, nor possible sanctions. They press despite the pacifying statements of the enemy and his readiness is reconciled. When they don’t want to, they shamefully forgive everything, they are afraid of everything, they suffer everything from a weak and insignificant adversary. They feed the enemies in three throats, despite the humiliation and insults. And they are not afraid that this sticky, suffocating mixture of humiliation and helplessness will not be liked by the people, they spit and chuckle at the people. Where does this absolute fearlessness come from in really serious matters that could turn into a nuclear or civil war. And then there is vile fear and helplessness where everything can be resolved in their favor in a month and a relatively modest amount.
  41. Tujh
    Tujh 31 December 2015 12: 51 New
    +3
    I remember being presented to Gazprom about a monopoly on gas supplies. How about presenting Naftogaz about the monopoly of transporting fossil product?
  42. Flinky
    Flinky 31 December 2015 13: 25 New
    -4
    Chatter for domestic consumption. Transit rates may be revised by agreement - according to the contract. But not unilaterally.
    1. DPN
      DPN 1 January 2016 19: 53 New
      -1
      while Europe will feed Ukraine with cookies, there will be no order whatsoever and it will set conditions for Russia.
  43. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 31 December 2015 14: 07 New
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    And with what kind of beer does Russia have to pay for the transit of gas through whose territory? At one time it was a bonus to Kiev. Always in logistics, the price of goods for the consumer is the purchase price + transportation costs + walrus.
    1. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 3 January 2016 07: 08 New
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      if, according to some fairy-tale scenario, dill will still achieve an increase in the price for transit, then she, I think, will immediately lose all the discounts ... which are given to her for the same transit!
  44. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 31 December 2015 15: 37 New
    -1
    Do not forget the Russians that our brothers dill like tirelessly repeating our president. And Russia can only endure this fate and nothing can be done.
    1. DPN
      DPN 1 January 2016 19: 48 New
      0
      VERY TRUE on this ++
  45. Vittt
    Vittt 31 December 2015 17: 44 New
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    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Значит, для Европы цена на газ поднимется? Транспортные издержки "Газпром" на себя же вешать не будет? Еще один аргумент в пользу отказа ЕС от украинского газового транзита и поиска ему альтернативы. В итоге, продавят немцы с французами "Северный поток-2", а итальянцы, возможно - "Южный". На вопли "младоевропейцев" о неприемлемости отказа перекачки газа через украинскую ГТС Старая Европа забьёт большой болт - они деньги считать умеют.
    And, once again, their own legendary greed and cunning will destroy Ukrainians ..

    You are an optimist, another McCain will come, and will indicate in what position to stand Ms. Merkel.
  46. behemot
    behemot 31 December 2015 17: 55 New
    +1
    for independent saloyed gas prices will simply increase. but it’s better to turn it off altogether. Maybe they’ll freeze, or they will raise the rabbit on the pitchfork. Actually no difference.
  47. 31rus
    31rus 31 December 2015 17: 56 New
    -1
    dear, the Kremlin’s policy towards Ukraine has begun, from the very beginning to the present day, I don’t think you need to explain point by point
  48. satellite
    satellite 31 December 2015 19: 13 New
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    Что-то у меня в глазах двоится...ВВП разрешает продавать газ на Украину по старым условиям т.е. по тем условиям когда Украина была в СНГ, Украина вместо благодарности как может огрызается, сейчас поднятием цен на транзит. И сколько мы, простые граждане будем таращится на эти игры???! Достала уже эта политика за наш счет, продадим газ дешевле так с нас-же эти издержки и спишут - задолбало кормить *банашек. Понятно что алигархические интересы тесно переплетены вне зависимости от границ но ей Богу надоело, пусть Укропия уже живет без "нашего" достояния... Ну не братья мы с укропами и никогда не были, идут в ЕС так попутного ветра в горбатую спину, что с нас скидки на газ и уголек требывать, пусть в ЕС клянчат.
    1. DPN
      DPN 1 January 2016 19: 45 New
      0
      It was necessary to think before the collapse of the USSR. And ordinary citizens are needed only as slaves.
  49. DPN
    DPN 1 January 2016 19: 41 New
    0
    Ukraine is doing the right thing, the Russian government is teaching the mind. It would have long ago shut off the gas valve through this Ukraine, while there is still Belarus and the Nord Stream. They don’t want it for good, and HRNEN with THEM.
  50. sad1940
    sad1940 1 January 2016 22: 14 New
    +1
    we have that in Gazprom alone and d and s are sitting? In hell, they climb to dill in such an atmosphere with their gas discounts? You can’t be such a bedding; they no longer respect themselves. Ukrainians raised transit prices, and what prevents Gazprom in response to raise the price of gas, instead of discounts?
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 2 January 2016 09: 53 New
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      Either cancel discounts, or stop pumping gas to consumers. But the country's leadership strongly supports the fascist regime of Ukraine.