IDF replenished with a new special forces brigade

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On Sunday, a solemn event was held in Israel on the occasion of the creation of a new special command brigade "Commando", which included the units "Maglan", "Egoz", "Rimon" and "Duvdevan", reports NEWSru with reference to the country's defense department.

IDF replenished with a new special forces brigade


"The commando brigade was created within the framework of increasing the effectiveness of the activities of the military units included in its structure," the report says.

The commander of the compound was Colonel David Zini, the former commander of the Egoz unit.

"The brigade itself is assigned to the Otsbat Ashe division, which also includes an airborne assault brigade of special service and two amphibious brigades of reservists," the publication said.

It is reported that "the Hebrew letter" Kouf "formed by the blade and a curved two-sided arrow against the background of the sea and mountains became the" emblem of the new unit. "



“The colors black and white symbolize that the fighters of this brigade retain combat readiness day and night. The blade says that the fighters of the new unit are ready for a close battle with the enemy, ”explains the resource.

According to the Chief of the General Staff, Gadi Eisenkot, “the unification of several special forces units will allow the Israel Defense Forces to quickly respond to modern threats, including the threat of the Islamic State.”



The idea of ​​combining several units created as a response to a specific threat has been discussed for a long time already. Its implementation was hampered by the ambitions of district commanders who did not want to lose direct control over their best units. However, Gadi Aizenkot managed to carry out his plans. The head of the General Staff announced the beginning of the unification process in early July.

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“Rimon is the youngest special unit created in 2010 after the Cast Lead operation to wage war in the desert. Until now, it was part of the reconnaissance battalion of the Givati ​​Brigade and was subordinate to the command of the Southern District. In peacetime, is engaged, in particular, the fight against the Egyptian smugglers.

"Maglan" - a special unit created to perform tasks behind the front line. It was created in the middle of the 80 of the 20th century on the basis of the reconnaissance battalions of the amphibious brigade and the Nahal infantry brigade.

Egoz is a special unit recreated in 1995 on the basis of the Golani brigade for combat operations in southern Lebanon. The unit’s specialization is the fight against the enemy’s irregular parts.

Duvdevan is a special unit created in 1986 to fight terror in Judea and Samaria. ”
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  1. +2
    29 December 2015 09: 59
    And these, too, under the amers mow, "commando" is not a joke to you.
    1. +12
      29 December 2015 10: 19
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      And these, too, under the amers mow, "commando" is not a joke to you.



      In vain you are, these are serious guys and a serious division.
      1. +3
        29 December 2015 10: 25
        It’s just that everyone has taken on the fashion of licking someone else’s names, as if their own imagination is not enough.
        1. -1
          29 December 2015 10: 41
          In vain you are, these are serious guys and a serious division.


          Why do people have a Russian Jewish soldier, a Jewish partisan, which causes nothing but a smile.
          And these same people talk about the seriousness of Jewish soldiers in Israel?

          What is the difference??????

          Israel Homeland, and Russia a place to earn money?
          1. +1
            29 December 2015 10: 47
            And what kind of cryptogram is they on the emblem. Knife on the background of some boobs
            1. +3
              29 December 2015 10: 59
              subtle hint: even kill a kill!
          2. +14
            29 December 2015 10: 49
            Quote: Temples
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            Why do people have a Russian Jewish soldier, a Jewish partisan, which causes nothing but a smile.


            It doesn’t cause me. In V.O. Jews fought very well in the war, they could not be taken prisoner, and many of them were heroes of the USSR.
          3. +2
            29 December 2015 10: 54
            Quote: Temples
            What's the difference?

            And the difference is that there they are all the same and those who got to the warm place were just lucky. And there, no belonging to the Jews plays a role. They are all, for the most part, Jews.
          4. +6
            29 December 2015 11: 18
            Quote: Temples
            Why do people have a Russian Jewish soldier, a Jewish partisan, which causes nothing but a smile.
            And these same people talk about the seriousness of Jewish soldiers in Israel?

            For stupid people who do not know history and are subject to prejudice, it can and does cause. For smart people who have read at least something on the topic, it’s unlikely
            1. -5
              29 December 2015 14: 27
              Well, the expression "Tashkent Front" did not just appear.
              1. +2
                29 December 2015 14: 57
                You, apparently, are not at all interested in the story? Nazi olist?
                1. 0
                  29 December 2015 15: 22
                  Like this: "apparently you are not interested in history at all" maybe history.
              2. +4
                29 December 2015 20: 18
                Quote: Sleeping Sayan
                Well, the expression "Tashkent Front" did not just appear.

                It appeared primarily because the Jews who fled from the occupied regions were primarily those who lived in these regions. And they had to be resettled somewhere.

                According to the Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defense, during the war with Germany, there were about 501 thousand Jews, including 167 thousand officers and 334 thousand soldiers, sailors and sergeants. According to the same archive, during the war years, died in battles, died from wounds and diseases, 198 thousands of Jewish soldiers went missing. This is 39,6% of their total [8]. According to Dr. Yitzhak Arad, approximately 120 — 180 thousand Jews died at the front and about 80 thousand were killed in prisoner of war camps. Of the surviving 300 thousand Jewish soldiers, 180 thousand (60%) were injured, of which more than 70 thousand (38%) were seriously injured. 27% of Jews went to the front as volunteers, 80% of Jews of ordinary and junior commanding officers served in combat units.
          5. +9
            29 December 2015 11: 39
            Why do people have a Russian Jewish soldier, a Jewish partisan, which causes nothing but a smile.
            I don’t get a smile, especially a Jewish partisan. I read the recollections of war veterans collected by Artem Drabkin. You know, impressive. And, later, when the regular units were made of partisans, the Jews were often united into units (not by 100%, of course). So, the Germans were not taken prisoner. Most, after all, miraculously escaped from the ghetto. So, that paid with the Europeans nobly.
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              1. +2
                29 December 2015 14: 18
                It was somehow disgusting after reading this joke. Guys who walked around the cemetery, go veterans?
                UPA-UNSO, Ali Galitchina? Maybe they made this cemetery? And, that, those who fell under the hot hand, they immediately repose. But a lot of ghouls have survived to this day. Ah, so funny. Well done, you are apparently a good person, right?
          6. +10
            29 December 2015 12: 04
            You will ask 120 Jewish Heroes of the Soviet Union what causes and what does not cause a smile. Jews are in fourth place in terms of the number of GSS and in second place in relation to the population. 500000 Jews fought on the Soviet-German Frontier, of which 200000 were killed
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          7. -2
            29 December 2015 13: 37
            Quote: Temples
            Israel Homeland, and Russia a place to earn money?

            Exactly so. For example, Pupyrchatyi fell down from history and settled in white stone, now he writes his own tales there, he did not want to return to his native Leningrad, it was not enough to see the raft on the Neva banks. laughing
        2. +3
          29 December 2015 10: 45
          do not lick, but use the English name, and so in Hebrew there is the word "sayret"
        3. -2
          29 December 2015 14: 04
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          It’s just that everyone has taken on the fashion of licking someone else’s names, as if their own imagination is not enough.

          They have everything else - especially the story!
      2. 0
        29 December 2015 11: 40
        It’s better to use this money to deploy a program to create combat robots as human losses are excluded and tangible economic benefits (insurance, salaries and treatment). Israel is not pressed by the Arabs, but by number and endless terror! And so they washed down artificial intelligence, entrusted him with policing and go drink tea!
        1. +3
          29 December 2015 11: 51
          Quote: good7
          It’s better to use this money to deploy a program to create combat robots as human losses are excluded and tangible economic benefits (insurance, salaries and treatment).

          Actually, in Israel there is a program of combat robots.

          Quote: good7
          Israel is not pressed by the Arabs, but by number and endless terror!

          Yes, yes, and also an earthworm
    2. +2
      29 December 2015 10: 59
      They have their own training system. And it’s very effective. And the name is just in English.
      1. +5
        29 December 2015 14: 02
        Quote: Kent0001
        They have their own training system. And it’s very effective.

        And long-term. Only "training" is one and a half times longer than the entire period of service in some armies ...
  2. 0
    29 December 2015 10: 01
    Not, well, at the moment, the Jews are some of the best warriors in the world. This is like the Germans in the 40s. But. Remember what the Germans finished. Although the Jews are not my enemies.
    1. -1
      29 December 2015 10: 05
      So therefore, Hitler wanted to completely destroy them, as competitors.
    2. +2
      29 December 2015 10: 09
      Quote: Roman1970
      Remember what the Germans finished

      Do not really conceived to attack Russia .. tin
      1. +3
        29 December 2015 11: 20
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Do not really conceived to attack Russia .. tin

        Those in hot minds are thoughts that have already captured. And then I ask where my share is, comrades, and I have to have a conscience for so many years, and I’m dying of dividends. hi
  3. +4
    29 December 2015 10: 05
    Serious guys. And do not shy away from hand-to-hand. As it is not attached to them the established cliche: "cowardly ...".
    Apparently, almost 70 years of life in his country greatly change the mentality of the people ...
    1. +2
      29 December 2015 10: 22
      ..... Serious guys. And do not shy away melee ....

      .... As far as I know, in the charter of the Israeli army there is no concept of "hand-to-hand combat" .... If not right, then correct .... hi
      1. +3
        29 December 2015 10: 38
        The charter is there or not, I don’t know, but it’s generally called: Krav Maga. Serious thing, you must notice. There, after all, for many years they worked to catch a suicide bomber in a crowded place. Moreover, immediately and for good.
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    2. -1
      29 December 2015 10: 22
      "Cowardly" is precisely a cliche, and a cliche imposed by Soviet propaganda hi
    3. +4
      29 December 2015 11: 20
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Serious guys. And do not shy away from hand-to-hand. As it is not attached to them the established cliche: "cowardly ...".
      Apparently, almost 70 years of life in his country greatly change the mentality of the people ...

      In fact, it is for these people that melee is used more as part of the general training system.
      In fact, if it came to hand-to-hand, something repeatedly went wrong.
      1. +1
        30 December 2015 00: 47
        Quote: Pimply
        In fact, if it came to hand-to-hand, something repeatedly went wrong.

        huge +
        Although this is not entirely accurate in relation to the units of Mistaarvim.
  4. +6
    29 December 2015 10: 06
    Interesting and for what article cons put?
    1. +4
      29 December 2015 10: 09
      These are anti-Semites smile
      1. 0
        29 December 2015 10: 45
        And certainly not the Semites. Http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1334504487.html
    2. +5
      29 December 2015 10: 11
      Quote: Gomel
      Interesting and for what article cons put?

      1. anti-Semitism
      2. False sense - patriotism
    3. -4
      29 December 2015 10: 12
      these are Pavlov’s dogs: Russia +
      not Russia -
      1. +3
        29 December 2015 10: 25
        Quote: Dan4eG
        these are Pavlov’s dogs: Russia +
        not Russia -

        And here is Russia? Cons put because Israel is mentioned in the article. It’s just that the actions of your government cause people to have an allergic reaction to your country, so they throw you sleepers at you. And not looking.
        1. 0
          29 December 2015 10: 49
          What did I write? like from Russia, at the great and mighty you don’t understand at all!
          1. +2
            29 December 2015 11: 10
            Quote: Dan4eG
            What did I write? like from Russia, at the great and mighty you don’t understand at all!

            Above you can see for yourself what you wrote. smile
            For some reason, you wrote about Russia, although the essence of the claim relates to Israel.
            Express your thoughts more clearly ...
            Now, if the article was about Vietnamese special forces, then there would be no minuses at all.
            So what is your statement about
            : Russia + not Russia -
            unfair, because Vietnam is also not Russia.
            1. -2
              29 December 2015 11: 14
              and there will be cons too!
              1. 0
                29 December 2015 11: 52
                Quote: Dan4eG
                and there will be cons too!

                Maybe they will, but not in such a percentage ratio.
                http://topwar.ru/68572-indoneziyskiy-specnaz-krasnye-berety-amfibii-i-drugie.htm
                l
                http://topwar.ru/69970-voiny-teni-na-zaschite-podnebesnoy.html
                http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=71870
      2. +4
        29 December 2015 10: 39
        and you, apparently, a dog pandodana am
        1. -4
          29 December 2015 10: 53
          Well, who are you? I don’t even have doubts!
    4. 0
      29 December 2015 11: 02
      Quote: Gomel
      What are the disadvantages of the article?

      For misunderstanding of the written.
      For disagreement with the written.
      For the presence of differences with what is written in the instruction manual.
      A simple misunderstanding of humor guarantees a minus.
      and much more, not written by colleagues.
    5. +3
      29 December 2015 11: 23
      Quote: Gomel
      Interesting and for what article cons put?

      For the words of Israel and the Jews
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 14: 40
        Quote: Pimply
        For the words of Israel and the Jews

        Including. For some, mention is listed as a red rag. For some it is intuitive, for some it is conscious.
        I suggest that minusers take an example from Stalin: he, unlike Hitler, was wiser and looked to the root. The purges were carried out for political reasons, and not for national reasons. wink Believe me, the result was much better, judging by Stalin's "love" by the liberal part of society.
        P.S. I haven’t put any pluses or minuses to the article. Well, with the upcoming or something, Zhenechka! hi
        1. -2
          29 December 2015 14: 59
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          take an example from Stalin: he, unlike Hitler, was wiser, and looked at the root. The purges were carried out for political reasons, and not for national reasons.

          In no case will I defend the beast of Hitler, but if you mean the Jews, he did not destroy them as a nation as such, but against the faith, that is, the Jews (the same as he would, for example, destroy Catholics or Buddhists and so on).
          That is, it was not Jews who were destroyed as a people, but carriers of the Jewish faith.
          1. +3
            29 December 2015 18: 02
            Yeah, you, explain this to Jewish babies, which are behind the legs and head against the corner. Who, they were the executioners, Jews or bearers of the Jewish faith. It seems that the guy is smart in other comments, but you know what the hell. So, I baptized my son as expected on the eighth day. Who, he, will be Orthodox for the executioner or Russian. What is more important?
          2. +4
            29 December 2015 20: 23
            Quote: quilted jacket
            In no case will I defend the beast of Hitler, but if you mean the Jews, he did not destroy them as a nation as such, but against the faith, that is, the Jews (the same as he would, for example, destroy Catholics or Buddhists and so on).
            That is, it was not Jews who were destroyed as a people, but carriers of the Jewish faith.

            You're lying, actually.
            From the Nuremberg Laws:
            (1) A Jew is considered to be one in whom three of his parents' parents were purebred Jews.
            (2) A person born in a mixed marriage, a citizen of the state, descended from two purebred Jews - the parents of his parents, is also considered a Jew if:

            a) at the time of the publication of the law, belongs to the Jewish community or was adopted into it later;
            b) at the time of the publication of the law was married to a Jew or entered into such a marriage later;
            c) comes from the mixed family described in subparagraph 1, registered after the Law on the Protection of German Blood and German Honor of 15 of September 1935 was adopted;
            d) is an illegitimate child, one of whose parents was a Jew.

            Subsequently, the half-breeds and quarter-tones began to sharply tighten the conditions.
            1. -1
              29 December 2015 20: 38
              Quote: Pimply
              Subsequently, the half-breeds and quarters began to sharply tighten the conditions

              So what? And those who consciously accepted Judaism without being a Jew (nationality) that Hitler did not destroy?
              For example, a French nationality adopted the Jewish faith, the Nazi grabbed him and asks if you believe who he says, says I believe in Yahweh, but by nationality I am a Frenchman and a Nazi answers him - Ahh, since you are French by nationality and your faith is Jewish, walk on freely I won’t take you to a concentration camp. So yes?
              Something somehow doesn’t agree with you smile
            2. +2
              29 December 2015 20: 42
              Quote: Pimply
              Subsequently, the half-breeds and quarter-tones began to sharply tighten the conditions.

              Even Michael Douglas was hooked. But do not you think that this can be traced to analogies with the customs of the Third Reich? Selection and Eugenics is just their theme. wink
              And here the division of people into pregnant and non-pregnant, and among the people who allegedly suffered most from the actions of the Nazis. hi
            3. -1
              29 December 2015 20: 58
              Quote: Pimply
              A Jew is considered to be one in whom three of the parents of his parents were purebred Jews.

              And if only two of the parents of his parents were Jews, but by faith he was a Jew, then did the Nazis not touch him?
              Have you let go of the world? Or did they take to their service and give gifts?
              Dark pimply oh dark lol
              1. 0
                30 December 2015 04: 57
                Interestingly, if the Germans killed mostly Jews, then how to react to the order of 1941. That political prisoners should not be taken prisoner? The logic of the Germans was simple. In the USSR, all political leaders were Jews, as they believed. And what Soviet Jew, being a communist, could be a Jew?
        2. +1
          29 December 2015 20: 24
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The purges were carried out for political reasons, and not for national reasons.

          On national too, my friend. Not to the extent that Adolf Aloizovich, and mainly with the topic of relocation, tried. He had no time to seriously stir up the Jews, although he tried.
          1. +1
            29 December 2015 20: 34
            Quote: Pimply
            On national too, my friend.

            Zhenya, can’t you poke a nose at the fact? And it turns out somehow ugly on your part. Are you now granting autonomy in the Far East for genocide? laughing
            Quote: Pimply
            I didn’t manage to stir up the Jews seriously although I tried.
            And yes, how is it possible to exterminate Jews on ethnic grounds at the hands of other Jews? belay You have nothing to present to Joseph Vissarionovich, with all your will.
  5. +1
    29 December 2015 10: 09
    just fear for a country short they got out of nothing, that is, they just took a cut off piece and now they say it is Israel
    they’re afraid they’ll take everything away.
    1. +2
      29 December 2015 10: 36
      this is the land of the Jews. and stripped down. (by the way, do not think that I mean) proof is the crying wall. if you know what the wall is from. why cry. why is it a shrine to the Jews.
      The answer is obvious, you just have to analyze the facts and traditions. By the way, almost everyone knows what is at stake.
      sorry for the fog. but this is my purpose. I ask questions. and make you think. in times of vanity this is a difficult task.
      1. +3
        29 December 2015 10: 41
        I am embarrassed to ask how long has this land belonged to the Jews ???? am
      2. +3
        29 December 2015 10: 50
        And what? If Jews roamed Egypt, is this also their land?
        1. -3
          29 December 2015 11: 01
          why did they wander through Egypt? and why were they like homeless people? and why did they need this land? After all, as an option was considered, Crimea? And in general, because I gave a hint, the crying wall. I can give one more - the dead sea. or do you consider only publicly available versions fed to you by the authorities? forgot how to think? ...
          1. 0
            29 December 2015 11: 06
            The Jews are the same nomadic Arabs, one seed, cultivated during their wanderings in Europe, and acquired a bit of civilization. And their only fairy tale is the Bible.
            1. +1
              29 December 2015 11: 24
              Quote: Igor39
              The Jews are the same nomadic Arabs, one seed, cultivated during their wanderings in Europe, and acquired a bit of civilization. And their only fairy tale is the Bible.

              And the processor that is in your computer
              1. +2
                29 December 2015 11: 46
                And what processor did he invent in Israel or in America? Studied in Zurich, Berlin, Priston, and Israel and the Jews? Nobody says that Barclay de is either a great Scottish commander, because he achieved his success in Russia and was ours. If a person achieves something at some school, this is a good school, not Jews. What school did you have in 19 m, the first half of the 20 of the century?
                1. +4
                  29 December 2015 11: 53
                  Quote: Igor39
                  And what processor did he invent in Israel or in America? Studied in Zurich, Berlin, Priston, and Israel and the Jews? Nobody says that Barclay de is either a great Scottish commander, because he achieved his success in Russia and was ours. If a person achieves something at some school, this is a good school, not Jews. What school did you have in 19 m, the first half of the 20 of the century?

                  Well, most likely the percent on which you work is developed in Israel.
                  And then - that you suddenly began to suffer from the fact that I began to dig interest? After all, you yourself said that the Jews (you spoke precisely about them, and not about Israel) have nothing of their own. Should I continue? The list is long, I have a lot of interesting things there.
                  1. 0
                    29 December 2015 12: 01
                    What do you have? Everything stolen, land from Palestine, the Bible from the Egyptians, like everything else brought to Israel and legalized, everything stolen from you laughing
                    1. -1
                      29 December 2015 12: 08
                      Quote: Igor39
                      What do you have? Everything stolen, land from Palestine, the Bible from the Egyptians, like everything else brought to Israel and legalized, everything stolen from you

                      Boyfriend, frequent mouth-opening does not make you smarter. If you think so, and therefore often open it, this is a mistake. 8) You can’t even troll normally. Studied badly?
                      1. -1
                        29 December 2015 12: 13
                        It doesn’t make you smarter either, you’re essentially answering, but don’t slip into trivial insults, wise guy laughing
                      2. -2
                        29 December 2015 12: 20
                        Quote: Igor39
                        It doesn’t make you smarter either, you’re essentially answering, but don’t slip into trivial insults, wise guy

                        My friend, it's nice to see you roll lower and lower. Is there anything original? ;) Well, come on, try, it suddenly turns out 8)
                      3. +2
                        29 December 2015 12: 24
                        All for now, I leave you alone with faith in the God-chosenness and skillfulness of the Jews laughing laughing laughing
                        Listen to you, it turns out that the Jews dug up the Dead Sea, as the Ukrainians Black Sea laughing laughing
                      4. -2
                        29 December 2015 12: 33
                        Quote: Igor39
                        All for now, I leave you alone with faith in the God-chosenness and skillfulness of the Jews
                        Listen to you, it turns out that the Jews dug up the Dead Sea, as the Ukrainians Black Sea

                        Boy, you’re tired. You are trying to troll and trying, trying and trying, but everything does not work out. Well, do not envy Gd’s election, it is not primarily preferences, but responsibilities.
                      5. +2
                        29 December 2015 12: 38
                        Well, yes, how did I forget that your responsibilities include licking Obama's black ass laughing laughing I believe that not everyone is able to do it laughing laughing laughing
                      6. 0
                        29 December 2015 12: 39
                        Quote: Igor39
                        Well, yes, how did I forget that it’s your responsibility to lick Obama’s black ass I believe that not everyone is able to do this

                        And still does not work out. You try ...
                      7. +1
                        29 December 2015 12: 46
                        But I agree that Jews are obliged to do this, the provision obliges laughing laughing
                      8. -3
                        29 December 2015 12: 47
                        Quote: Igor39
                        But I agree that Jews are obliged to do this, the provision obliges

                        Are you exhausted?
                      9. -1
                        29 December 2015 13: 38
                        Quote: Igor39
                        All for now, I leave you alone with faith in the God-chosenness and skillfulness of the Jews laughing laughing laughing
                        Listen to you, it turns out that the Jews dug up the Dead Sea, as the Ukrainians Black Sea laughing laughing

                        They didn’t dig it out. They killed him.
                      10. +2
                        29 December 2015 13: 58
                        Quote: Igor39
                        Listen to you, it turns out that the Jews dug up the Dead Sea, as the Ukrainians Black Sea

                        And then the oceans come out, they dug together the ancient nationalists from Ukraine and the Jews? belay
                      11. +1
                        29 December 2015 14: 13
                        Yeah, I’d like to see how a professor will prove the exclusivity of Jews to Ukrainian professors who know that the most ancient and omnipotent is UKR laughing laughing
                      12. 0
                        29 December 2015 14: 43
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Boyfriend, frequent mouth-opening does not make you smarter.

                        Then your jaw moves on your avatar! lol Do not judge by yourself!
                        P.S. Thanks to the moderator (who cares?) for the banal removal of srach without warning, on both sides. I will not be offended by the removal of my koment. hi
                      13. 0
                        29 December 2015 20: 25
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Then your jaw moves on your avatar! Do not judge by yourself!
                        P.S. Thanks to the moderator (who cares?) for the banal removal of srach without warning, on both sides. I will not be offended by the removal of my koment.

                        Well, my friend, anything can happen on the avatar. The main thing is that in the head, right?
      3. +3
        29 December 2015 14: 39
        Quote: redeemer
        sorry for the fog. but this is my purpose. I ask questions. and make you think. in times of vanity this is a difficult task.


        At the time of the writing of the tafsir "Al Jalalayn" (15th century), "Al Aqsa" was not associated with Jerusalem. This is also indicated by Professor Nisim Dana, who believes that Muslims misinterpret their holy books. In his studies, he repeatedly comes across the fact that before the beginning of the Zionist movement, before the beginning of the mass return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael (the end of the XNUMXth century), Muslims practically did not feel any special love and interest in either Erez or Jerusalem. This city never had any administrative significance for either the Arab caliphs or the Turkish sultans. Caliph Al-Walid moved the provincial capital of Palestine to the new city of Ramla he built. Jerusalem did not enter his head. And even when Eretz Yisrael became part of the Ottoman Empire, Ramla remained the capital. "Do you know," asks Dana, "that during the time of the Mamluks, Jerusalem served as a place of exile for disgraced emirs? What kind of holiness is there?"

        Is it even possible to assume that the territory sacred for a particular religion could serve as a place of exile for the guilty people? Imagine that as a punishment a Muslim is exiled to Mecca. Absurd? Of course. But how then could Jerusalem serve as a place of exile if it were perceived in those days by the Holy Land? Moreover, not just the Holy Land, but the Abrahamic Center of Monotheism, equally revered by the three major world religions? If Jerusalem really were a place of storage of the Holy Sepulcher, if it really was a holy place, representatives of all three religions would cherish it at all times. However, back in the first half of the XNUMXth century, he was a provincial town that did not attract anyone's attention!

        Think about it! lol
    2. -1
      29 December 2015 10: 45
      Quite right, Israel never existed, but then it just appeared, is it like anyway?
      1. -1
        29 December 2015 12: 35
        Member of the Knesset Pnina Tamano Shata wanted to donate blood in a mobile donor center led by Magen Adom, that is, in a government agency providing medical services.

        However, blood bank employees denied the woman the right to become a donor, saying that she had a special type of "Jewish-Ethiopian blood."

        Then Tamano-Shata was told that even if she was allowed to donate blood, this blood would not be frozen, as is usually done. “I’m good enough to serve the country in the Knesset, but for some reason I’m not fit to become a blood donor,” she said.

        As it became known, later Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu personally phoned Tamano Shata and promised that an investigation would be carried out on this incident.

        Ethiopian Jews have been constantly discriminated against since arriving in Israel. Many question their status as Jews.

        Immigrants from African countries such as Sudan and Eritrea are also harassed by the Israeli authorities. A few days ago, the Knesset approved the law according to which illegal immigrants from Africa can be imprisoned for a year without trial.

        This is only the last of a series of discriminatory measures against the entry of Africans into the occupied Palestinian land, which, according to apartheid-inspired Israeli government, pose a danger to the "Jewish character."
        1. +8
          29 December 2015 13: 04
          "... against the entry of Africans into the occupied Palestinian land" ////

          You rarely see such touching concern for Africans in our time ... fellow
          Palestinians (Arabs), by the way, also do not strongly favor those who arrived
          poor Africans.
  6. +1
    29 December 2015 10: 21
    The guys look their best! The type of persons that our specialists have, that theirs. One, cuts, all the same, somehow it’s not our way, and they give honor too. laughing
    1. +11
      29 December 2015 10: 46
      It’s good that you didn’t see them marching ... laughing
      There is no drill training in the IDF (right-left, etc.)
      And there are no parades since the 70s.
      But sometimes ensigns are forced to build and go - for especially solemn
      cases. And then the circus: the steeper the special forces, the landing, the funnier they are marching. And this is often on purpose - fool around wink .
      1. +2
        29 December 2015 11: 43
        They are not created for parades.
        I, so I think, Arabs, when they are in business, do not laugh. Ah, that’s the main thing. It is not pleasant, one thing that with USA, they took an army foreign culture, but they could come up with. Moreover, there is something to be proud of.
        1. +3
          29 December 2015 11: 47
          Quote: avva2012
          It’s not pleasant, one thing that with USA, they took an army foreign culture, but they could come up with

          I welcome Alexander, I did not understand about culture, the style of work of the Tsakhal and the US Army is quite different. Please explain what you meant.
          1. +1
            29 December 2015 11: 55
            Hello Ilya. External, these lotions. How they stand, how they honor. It smells of Americanism. About how they work in Israel, especially specialists, he was interested. Read, listened to people from the former. Therefore, I say that I am proud of my own.
            1. +3
              29 December 2015 12: 17
              Quote: avva2012
              external, these lotions. How they stand, how they honor. It smells of Americanism.

              Rather, England, the British army strongly influenced Tzahal, although it is possible that something was taken from the Americans. Israel does not bother with external attributes, of course they are, but they are minimal. For example, I have never performed a military greeting from a school, except for official events, and I’ve gotten them out twice.hi
              1. +1
                29 December 2015 12: 29
                And it is right! Well, theirs, external attributes.
                The main thing is that many people know how to defend their homeland. Some countries need to learn in this regard. Well, come on, it's a thing of the past. In Russia, now, at every school, there are schools of courage again. Boys, again began to learn to love the homeland. You look, we will break through. hi
              2. +3
                29 December 2015 14: 24
                Quote: Hello
                never performed, except for official events, and they were counted just two times.

                Especially at the gathering of reservists. The last time with the general (three falafels, aluf mishne) they ate tuna from canned food and tryndeli "about life", and my uncle is the head of the brigade, an awesome man.
                1. +1
                  29 December 2015 14: 51
                  Rumata, explain what they ate and what the three falafels are?
                  1. +2
                    29 December 2015 15: 02
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Rumata, explain what they ate and what the three falafels are?

                    Tuna is tuna, and falafel is leaves on shoulder straps (well, there is such a dish) three falafels correspond to the colonel. hi
                    1. 0
                      29 December 2015 15: 25
                      Thank you both, but, damn it, and aluf mishne?
                      1. +3
                        29 December 2015 15: 31
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Thank you both, but, damn it, and aluf mishne?

                        Alyuf Mishne is just a colonel, literally something like a deputy governor (general)
                        Sorry for a bunch of words in Hebrew, Russian-speaking Israelis sometimes breaks into a sort of surzhik. laughing
                      2. +1
                        29 December 2015 15: 45
                        three falafels, aluf mishne
                        So a colonel, general, or colonel general?
                      3. +3
                        29 December 2015 16: 06
                        Quote: avva2012
                        So a colonel, general, or colonel general?

                        Colonel I was always confused in translating Israeli ranks into Russian because there is a colonel who is ex officio an analogue to a general in Russia, then a rank taken by an analogy of the British army, he is not in the Russian Federation, and then immediately major general, who is a general in Western countries.
                        Aluf Mishne literally is a junior general, although he is of course Colonel ...
                        Quote: Hello
                        , Russian-speaking Israelis sometimes breaks into a sort of surzhik

                        So I wrote in brackets for the Israelis. Tuna she is everywhere Tuna, the rest is clear, tryndel with an officer and ate canned food.
                        Surzhik is something like "I sold one taimani a mazgan, connected it to a hashmal, but I can't put it on a home." Don't confuse warm with soft, and you certainly don't need to apologize for me. Yours faithfully
                      4. 0
                        29 December 2015 16: 56
                        Thank. In Hebrew, is there surzhik? I imagined that surzhik is Yiddish. And, Hebrew, can’t change, well, like the Church Slavonic.
                      5. +2
                        29 December 2015 17: 09
                        Quote: avva2012
                        I imagined that surzhik is Yiddish.

                        In the original, surzhik is a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian with a few additions of Polish. But surzhik is often called any cross between two languages. For example, immigrants from the CIS who have lived in the USA for a long time also begin to use surzhik, since it is difficult for them to pick up analogies in Russian.
                        It is not polite to speak or write in surzhik. It's like in that video - "I love this designer, people of any age, any age, hight and shape can wear it. His things are timeless." Somehow "interview" flashed in VK =) The use of separate, difficult to translate, specific words is not a surzhik. Palkhik is not a surzhik, just like not a surzhik "OMON", for example ...
                      6. +2
                        29 December 2015 17: 18
                        I probably got it, but I wonder (you don't know, I do for sure). Yiddish is a mixture of German, Polish and some Hebrew. Hebrew is the language in which the Torah is written or not? That is, by definition, a surzhik from Hebrew, like "Our Father", is "our father" in Church Slavonic surzhik. For the Orthodox, it cannot be. Apparently, I don't understand something.
                      7. +4
                        29 December 2015 17: 53
                        Modern Hebrew is a revived language. or as some write adapted. But here it is worth splitting into two parts. It is safe to say that the Hebrew Torah is 2500 years ago, and Hebrew is now very close, and in many respects identical, but most of the words in the Torah are not mentioned, and the Jews themselves used Yiddish, Hebrew, Russian and even Farsi.

                        For example, the word "woman" - "isha" is in the Torah, both written and oral, and in many other books written in ancient Hebrew and later. That is, we can confidently assert that this word, in this sense, is at least 3000 years old, and every day I use words that are several centuries old. By the way, the whole story of the immaculate conception is an incorrect translation of the Hebrew word for a young woman, like a virgin.

                        But such things as electricity, Panda or Iroquois had to be invented, since initially they were not in Hebrew, and unlike the Russian language, Hebrew was rarely spoken where and, accordingly, he could not always borrow these words (for example, in Russian, "parachute", " phone "," car "," logic "," constitution ", etc.)
                        Although often invented words are not used, for example, a telephone, he is a Hebrew telephone, despite the fact that there is another word that was invented exclusively for this device
                      8. 0
                        30 December 2015 04: 53
                        Thank! Interesting.
                  2. +3
                    29 December 2015 15: 06
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Rumata, explain what they ate and what the three falafels are?

                    =) This is slang for the ranks. Falafel is an oak leaf on uniform
                    One falafel is a major, two lieutenant colonels, and so on.
                2. +2
                  29 December 2015 14: 54
                  Quote: Rumata
                  Especially at the gathering of reservists. The last time with the general (three falafels, aluf mishne) they ate tuna from canned food and tryndeli "about life", and my uncle is the head of the brigade, an awesome man.

                  Well, dear, this is a completely different army, we threw eggs at our company company for the last time when he received the title. He came to us so pleased with new shoulder straps and raced. wassat
                  1. 0
                    29 December 2015 15: 47
                    And what, you don’t throw stars in a glass with vodka anymore?
                    1. +2
                      29 December 2015 16: 24
                      Quote: avva2012
                      And what, you don’t throw stars in a glass with vodka anymore?

                      The ceremony for obtaining a new rank in the AOI is very modest. A senior officer puts on new shoulder straps to his subordinate, only in the case of the head of the general staff, put them on the Minister of Defense with the head of government. Very often, his wife puts on the second shoulder strap to the officer.
                      1. +1
                        29 December 2015 17: 11
                        Are you seriously?
                        I knew that in tradition, a special attitude to mom. But that the wife was on a par with the chief of the General Staff?
                      2. +3
                        29 December 2015 17: 26
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Are you seriously?
                        I knew that in tradition, a special attitude to mom. But that the wife was on a par with the chief of the General Staff?

                        The fact that the officer puts on new epaulettes is rooted quite far. Why, sometimes wives participate in this, I don’t know, maybe other Israelis are in the know. Moreover, if a woman is promoted, often the second person is her husband. Israel loves complex symbolism, maybe this is it, like in any career growth is the merit of the wife, I don’t know ...
                      3. +5
                        29 December 2015 17: 38
                        Thanks again. I have, it's already night. Goodbye. If we don’t hear on the forum, then Happy New Year! To all your loved ones, health!
                      4. +3
                        29 December 2015 18: 03
                        Happy New Year!
    2. +1
      30 December 2015 00: 59
      Quote: avva2012
      The guys look their best! The type of persons that our specialists have, that theirs.

      All specialists in all countries are similar to each other, because they are selected into units according to very similar requirements and programs.
  7. 0
    29 December 2015 10: 24
    Bullshit toil, and Givati ​​and Golani are being deprived of special forces.
    1. +3
      29 December 2015 10: 48
      "Special companies" ("sayarot") remained in Givati ​​and Golani.
      "patrol", in fact - special forces.
      1. +2
        29 December 2015 14: 28
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "Special companies" ("sayarot") remained in Givati ​​and Golani.
        "patrol", in fact - special forces.

        All the same, the reconnaissance company is probably closer in meaning, work behind the front line is still the main profile of brigade saiyarot, reconnaissance and destruction of especially important objects, somehow
    2. +2
      29 December 2015 10: 55
      do not deprive, they have their own: "gadsar"
      1. 0
        30 December 2015 00: 54
        Battalion 585 is not exactly a special forces unit. Ordinary infantry baht, with the skills of trackers.
        1. 0
          30 December 2015 09: 35
          Bedoui gadsar to givati ​​refers only to the beret, so they are the "Gaza" division, the givati ​​has its own gadsar
    3. +1
      29 December 2015 11: 25
      Quote: mishastich
      Bullshit toil, and Givati ​​and Golani are being deprived of special forces.

      Not deprived - they have three specials left for each
      1. 0
        29 December 2015 11: 50
        I'm lying.
        4 at Givati ​​(Palsar, Palhan, Palnat, Palkhik) - reconnaissance units, special communications units, anti-tank special forces and engineering special forces.
        4 at Golani (Palsar, Palhan, Palhan, Palhik) - the same set.
        1. +1
          29 December 2015 11: 57
          Then explain to me the stupid, why the Commando brigade is being formed, its units are centralized? Or will the units remain in their old places, and will they receive instructions and combat from the mega-bunker?
          1. +4
            29 December 2015 12: 11
            Quote: mishastich
            Then explain to me the stupid, why the Commando brigade is being formed, its units are centralized? Or will the units remain in their old places, and will they receive instructions and combat from the mega-bunker?

            For starters, those units that remain and which are in command are different units.
            It is formed for quite clear purposes & The new brigade is not intended to act as a whole in case of war, the goal is to unify the general aspects of training, equipment, weapons, administration, etc., increase the level of interaction and exchange of experience, and general standardize combat training. The specific specializations of the units for which they were created will be retained.
          2. +4
            29 December 2015 12: 18
            Quote: mishastich
            Then explain to me the stupid, why the Commando brigade is being formed, its units are centralized? Or will the units remain in their old places, and will they receive instructions and combat from the mega-bunker?

            The team will report directly to the MTR headquarters. And not to second as before the subdivisions at his disposal.
          3. +3
            29 December 2015 12: 20
            Quote: mishastich
            Then explain to me the stupid, why the Commando brigade is being formed, its units are centralized? Or will the units remain in their old places, and will they receive instructions and combat from the mega-bunker?

            I think Aron’s answer is most true
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            In principle, the name is not very. But apparently they decided not to reinvent the wheel. The main thing in this association is the simplification of logistics. The basic course from kmb to the general special is identical for them. In addition, it will be possible to assign to the brigade part of the Air Force and engineering troops, which will be a constant strengthening, and not be attracted from time to time. In addition, along with preserving the specifics of each battalion with such a structure, it is possible to conduct short specialization courses in all directions, which means, if necessary, strengthen the battalion that will be on the cutting edge.

            Logistics and nothing more, simplify the so-called. wink
          4. 0
            29 December 2015 13: 32
            It looks like this is just another unit for the occupation and further "liberation" from the indigenous population of the territories occupied by Israel.
        2. +1
          29 December 2015 12: 22
          Quote: Pimply
          I'm lying.
          4 at Givati ​​(Palsar, Palhan, Palnat, Palkhik) - reconnaissance units, special communications units, anti-tank special forces and engineering special forces.
          4 at Golani (Palsar, Palhan, Palhan, Palhik) - the same set.

          Palkhik special forces only on paper, sit all day on the base of the ballet sharpen. At least that was the case with us in Givati. feel
          1. +2
            29 December 2015 12: 34
            Quote: Hello
            Palkhik special forces only on paper, sit all day on the base of the ballet sharpen. At least that was the case with us in Givati.

            However, they are
        3. +1
          29 December 2015 12: 26
          confused, palhan in the brigade is working, pugtat-plugat tatspiet
        4. +1
          29 December 2015 14: 31
          Quote: Pimply
          Palmik

          Palhik was abolished even when I served. More precisely, they’ve transferred somewhere, after that I didn’t see Palhik at the base in Shraga anymore, and they didn’t appear with us at the exercises ...
          1. +1
            29 December 2015 14: 56
            Quote: Rumata
            Palhik was abolished even when I served. More precisely, they’ve transferred somewhere, after that I didn’t see Palhik at the base in Shraga anymore, and they didn’t appear with us at the exercises ...

            Palhik freeloaders, they only go to the brigade’s teachings, but they think of themselves as a minimum. am
            1. +3
              29 December 2015 15: 51
              confused, palhan in the brigade is working, pugtat-plugat tatspiet
              Palhik abolished
              Palmik freeloaders

              But, Hebrew, the language is not difficult. I, almost understood everything already. Especially what I singled out. wassat
              1. +2
                29 December 2015 16: 33
                Quote: avva2012
                confused, palhan in the brigade is working, pugtat-plugat tatspiet
                Palhik abolished
                Palhik freeloaders

                But, Hebrew, the language is not difficult. I, almost understood everything already. Especially what I singled out.

                Company X was abolished, and they freeloaders =)) In fact, such terms are simply difficult to translate. For example, palhan - if translated, it is something like an engineering company. But in reality this is a special company of a brigade level, the only training of which, now, is a year and 4 months. Strong emphasis on orientation, they also study explosives as part of reconnaissance battalion, they can not only open minefields to cross the border, but also undermine bridges, towers, mine important roads. Focusing on work behind the front line. Or a fire chamber - a company fighting tanks, but the possibility of its use is not much more extensive ...
                1. 0
                  29 December 2015 17: 04
                  whose training, now, is the year and 4 of the month.
                  Yes seriously. That is, special forces of the border troops, suicide bombers. Chambers, did not understand, analogies, it seems to me in Russia there. If, there is an opportunity in Russian, a link, in PM you will not throw off?
                  1. +1
                    29 December 2015 17: 35
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Yes seriously. That is, special forces of the border troops, suicide bombers. Chambers, did not understand, analogies, it seems to me in Russia there. If, there is an opportunity in Russian, a link, in PM you will not throw off?

                    Unfortunately, I have nothing on this topic. There are many articles on the Internet about elite special forces such as the General Staff's special forces, the Navy's special forces (Shaetet-13). There are also enough articles about special units such as those described in the article, but there are few articles about reconnaissance companies of infantry and tank brigades in Russian. Probably because there are quite a few of them and they are considered less prestigious. Although the stories of the Golani brigade reconnaissance, many specialists from other countries may envy, and as for me, compared to them, "Egoz" with "Maglan" from the article above - they modestly smoke on the sidelines, but my opinion is biased =)))
                    For example, during Operation Entebbe, which is being studied in many countries of the world, it was they who landed together with the special forces of the General Staff, and participated in the operation.
            2. +2
              30 December 2015 00: 56
              Quote: Hello
              Palhik freeloaders, they only go to the brigade’s teachings, but they think of themselves as a minimum

              What to do "Everything in Givati ​​Kusiot" (c) drinks
  8. +2
    29 December 2015 10: 30
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    And these, too, under the amers mow, "commando" is not a joke to you.

    when standing with your hands cover your ass)
  9. -2
    29 December 2015 10: 38
    Some kind of clowns, it looks like a cheap blockbuster (apparently they looked uncontrollable). Arabs in the desert drove off.
  10. +6
    29 December 2015 10: 38
    Prior to this, these special forces formally subordinate to the infantry brigades,
    from which they once "spun off". And de facto they were usually used
    command of the districts: north, south, gas, etc. and sometimes - the general staff.
    This created inconvenience, controversy "who needs it".
    So they decided to unite under one roof.
    There are no new units in the new brigade.
  11. +2
    29 December 2015 10: 39
    The guys are serious in specialists. And what united - probably the command knows better. Although now they will have direct submission to the General Staff most likely.
  12. +4
    29 December 2015 10: 43
    Bribes in the Israeli Special Forces lack of show-offs and the presence of serious combat training.

    The emblem is beautiful.
  13. 0
    29 December 2015 11: 15
    Quote from comprochikos
    And what kind of cryptogram do they have on the emblem


    we’ll stick a knife in the back of any weakened state around us.
  14. +1
    29 December 2015 11: 15
    Mazl Tof comrades of the Jews!
  15. +8
    29 December 2015 11: 17
    Oh, but I didn’t like the emblem. It’s somehow dry, although the emblem is the case. In the comments, another srach about captured land and nomad Jews. What to do in those days when the Jews were formed as a people with agriculture in Israel there were problems. There are few water people. Kibbutzians later came up with. fellow
  16. +2
    29 December 2015 11: 40
    In principle, the name is not very. But apparently they decided not to reinvent the wheel. The main thing in this association is the simplification of logistics. The basic course from kmb to the general special is identical for them. In addition, it will be possible to assign to the brigade part of the Air Force and engineering troops, which will be a constant strengthening, and not be attracted from time to time. In addition, along with preserving the specifics of each battalion with such a structure, it is possible to conduct short specialization courses in all directions, which means, if necessary, strengthen the battalion that will be on the cutting edge.
  17. +3
    29 December 2015 11: 47
    And what kind of patch below the emblem? Like Lebanese cedar?
    1. +5
      29 December 2015 12: 18
      on the first picture? this title is three strips and a leaf: senior sergeant.
  18. +3
    29 December 2015 12: 12
    In fact, the most important question is whether Egoza will change their brown beret, for which they cling with all their might, to red, or not.
    1. +2
      29 December 2015 12: 17
      Quote: Pimply
      In fact, the most important question: will Egosa change their brown beret

      laughing laughing laughing
    2. +3
      29 December 2015 12: 19
      Quote: Pimply
      In fact, the most important question is whether Egoza will change their brown beret, for which they cling with all their might, to red, or not.

      Veterans apparently reach. And young people will already receive red.
    3. +1
      29 December 2015 12: 23
      Will a new beret be introduced?
      1. +2
        29 December 2015 12: 25
        Quote: Dan4eG
        Will a new beret be introduced?

        As I understand it, they will get red as echidote matkaliiot (units subordinate to the chief of staff)
        1. +2
          29 December 2015 12: 35
          Quote: Hello
          As I understand it, they will get red as echidote matkaliiot (units subordinate to the chief of staff)

          Do not get red as in all the malachy to which they are assigned
      2. +1
        29 December 2015 13: 06
        Quote: Dan4eG
        Will a new beret be introduced?

        In 98 divisions into which the boogada is regularly subordinated, the red beret. So there will be nothing new.
        1. +3
          29 December 2015 14: 36
          Many in Egoz will be very opposed to changing the beret, yet most of their history is associated precisely with the Golani brigade.
          1. 0
            30 December 2015 01: 10
            Quote: Rumata
            Many in Egoz will be very opposed to changing the beret,

            Before the demobilization at 94, I saw off to Egoz 2 palgi from the Yakhir 367 (Shimshon), which had been shortened by that time. The guys were sof oil with red Berets, and there was nothing ... survived, and "Oaks "will survive. wink
  19. +1
    29 December 2015 12: 45
    Dear, it’s clear with the brigade that the enemy is indicated for the commandos, the question of where the districts from where these units were taken will be replenished with new special forces units, i.e. how this will be carried out, whether the formation of new units, or the new brigade will act according to its previous tasks ? After all, the specifics and the difference in it are quite serious, who can answer or throw off the information?
    1. +3
      29 December 2015 13: 10
      In Russia, too, the SDB was removed from the Ground Forces and transferred to the Airborne Forces, and from the GRU, special forces brigades were transferred to the Ground Forces ... Everywhere is a search for optimal solutions ...
    2. +2
      29 December 2015 13: 17
      Quote: 31rus
      Dear, it’s clear with the brigade that the enemy is indicated for the commandos, the question of where the districts from where these units were taken will be replenished with new special forces units, i.e. how this will be carried out, whether the formation of new units, or the new brigade will act according to its previous tasks ? After all, the specifics and the difference in it are quite serious, who can answer or throw off the information?

      I think they will be let down by a common denominator in terms of training, they used to be not very different from each other and now they will be more or less similar, plus or minus a few additional skills for each detachment. At the moment, everyone except Rimon doesn’t work according to his special duties or rarely work, about dudevden I can be mistaken I do not have accurate information.
      For tasks, I think they will act on previous tasks just more efficiently, that is, they will less plug holes in linear units. Plus, most likely, work directly with intelligence and Shabak without intermediaries in the form of counties.
      In short, the usual reorganization in order to increase efficiency. hi
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 13: 42
        Dear, Hello, thanks here will undoubtedly increase the efficiency, but the "reaction time", to the threat? The same interaction with the linear units located in the field? Again, you can adjust the general training, but for that and professionals, that everyone is sharpened and knows how to do, What is better, it will take a lot of time for good preparation, or are the tasks of the brigade of a slightly different nature?
        1. +1
          29 December 2015 13: 50
          Quote: 31rus
          or all the same, the tasks of the brigade are of a slightly different nature?

          Well, if I commanded that brigade, I would know, and since you can only guess. hi
        2. +2
          29 December 2015 14: 06
          Quote: 31rus
          Dear, Hello, thanks here will undoubtedly increase the efficiency, but the "reaction time", to the threat? The same interaction with the linear units located in the field? Again, you can adjust the general training, but for that and professionals, that everyone is sharpened and knows how to do, What is better, it will take a lot of time for good preparation, or are the tasks of the brigade of a slightly different nature?

          Look, as "Hello" wrote, one of the problems that was solved with the creation of the brigade is the end of the tendency to use these units as well-trained infantry, which was practiced by the brigade commanders in whose immediate subordination they were. Then, as I already wrote, the reduction of the rear base. For each special forces created a separate support unit for itself. In addition, by bringing the instructors under one roof, it is possible to expand the number of courses that the special forces take place. And finally, the headquarters of the MTR gets at its disposal a part that will obey it directly.
    3. +1
      29 December 2015 14: 53
      Quote: 31rus
      Dear, it’s clear with the brigade that the enemy is indicated for the commandos, the question of where the districts from where these units were taken will be replenished with new special forces units, i.e. how this will be carried out, whether the formation of new units, or the new brigade will act according to its previous tasks ? After all, the specifics and the difference in it are quite serious, who can answer or throw off the information?

      Everyone has their own specifics and their own district.
      Egoz has always been, is and will be on the northern border. Rimon in the south, dudevane in Judea and Samaria. They have very similar tasks and it is logical that they were united under a common command. Now, of course, Egoz can, and is sent, to Judea, and Rimon can be quartered in the North for rotation, but in case of war, everyone will have their own district, since all the specifics of their training are tied to it. Egoz is taught to fight in the mountains with dense vegetation of Lebanon, and Rimon is taught to deserts, but dudevane, ideally, should not leave cities at all
      1. +1
        29 December 2015 15: 58
        Dear, Rumata, I perfectly understood this, so all the same, the creation of some regional centers, similar to the one in Russia?
      2. 0
        30 December 2015 01: 30
        Quote: Rumata
        Duvdevan, ideally, should not leave cities at all


        I don’t understand at all what place Mistaarvim is to infantry special forces, what can they give? Lashabiya (Fighting in buildings) at all and so is practically at the same level. Lothar (counter-terror) it may be the only thing that they have better than everyone else otherwise worse than everyone at times.
        Quote: Hello
        , about duvdevan I can be mistaken I do not have accurate information.

        Quote: Hello
        Plus, most likely, work directly with intelligence and Shabak without intermediaries in the form of counties.

        By the way, this is the missing link in my logical chain. Duvdevan is working directly with Shin. Bet and intelligence. It is possible that they will make a sort of Yamam-Light in the framework of the new brigade.
        1. +1
          30 December 2015 02: 11
          Quote: MACCABI-TLV
          I don’t understand what place Mistaarvim to infantry special forces, what can they give?

          Well, do not forget that only a quarter of Duvdev is doing this, and this is not their main task. "Egoz", "Rimon" and "Duvdevan" have very similar specificity, they are all sharpened to fight guerrilla in one form or another. In the north, it is Hezbollah and the highlands with dense vegetation, in the south, the Sinai Bedouins and others, who also use a good knowledge of the desert near the border, who tried to catch smugglers from the Sinai, I will understand what I mean. Well, "Duvdevan" is the same only in a building environment.

          A striking example is the first anti-Fada, where 65-70% of ALL arrests were made by Duvdevan, or Egoz, which, before leaving Lebanon, took on the lion's share of the fight against guerrilla there, and in the second Lebanese they were fully loaded.
          But how the Maglan got here, I don't quite understand
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    29 December 2015 19: 40
    I read the thoughts of Israeli odoforumchan. I thought ... I came to the conclusion that you can’t figure out the structure of the IDF without a liter ... And there is also the Air Force and the Navy ... And the same rank ...