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IDF replenished with a new special forces brigade

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On Sunday, a solemn event was held in Israel on the occasion of the creation of a new special command brigade "Commando", which included the units "Maglan", "Egoz", "Rimon" and "Duvdevan", reports NEWSru with reference to the country's defense department.


IDF replenished with a new special forces brigade


"The commando brigade was created within the framework of increasing the effectiveness of the activities of the military units included in its structure," the report says.

The commander of the compound was Colonel David Zini, the former commander of the Egoz unit.

"The brigade itself is assigned to the Otsbat Ashe division, which also includes an airborne assault brigade of special service and two amphibious brigades of reservists," the publication said.

It is reported that "the Hebrew letter" Kouf "formed by the blade and a curved two-sided arrow against the background of the sea and mountains became the" emblem of the new unit. "



“The colors black and white symbolize that the fighters of this brigade retain combat readiness day and night. The blade says that the fighters of the new unit are ready for a close battle with the enemy, ”explains the resource.

According to the Chief of the General Staff, Gadi Eisenkot, “the unification of several special forces units will allow the Israel Defense Forces to quickly respond to modern threats, including the threat of the Islamic State.”



The idea of ​​combining several units created as a response to a specific threat has been discussed for a long time already. Its implementation was hampered by the ambitions of district commanders who did not want to lose direct control over their best units. However, Gadi Aizenkot managed to carry out his plans. The head of the General Staff announced the beginning of the unification process in early July.

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“Rimon is the youngest special unit created in 2010 after the Cast Lead operation to wage war in the desert. Until now, it was part of the reconnaissance battalion of the Givati ​​Brigade and was subordinate to the command of the Southern District. In peacetime, is engaged, in particular, the fight against the Egyptian smugglers.

"Maglan" - a special unit created to perform tasks behind the front line. It was created in the middle of the 80 of the 20th century on the basis of the reconnaissance battalions of the amphibious brigade and the Nahal infantry brigade.

Egoz is a special unit recreated in 1995 on the basis of the Golani brigade for combat operations in southern Lebanon. The unit’s specialization is the fight against the enemy’s irregular parts.

Duvdevan is a special unit created in 1986 to fight terror in Judea and Samaria. ”
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  1. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 29 December 2015 09: 59 New
    +2
    И эти тоже под амеров косят, "коммандо" это вам не шутки.
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 December 2015 10: 19 New
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      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      И эти тоже под амеров косят, "коммандо" это вам не шутки.



      In vain you are, these are serious guys and a serious division.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 29 December 2015 10: 25 New
        +3
        It’s just that everyone has taken on the fashion of licking someone else’s names, as if their own imagination is not enough.
        1. Temples
          Temples 29 December 2015 10: 41 New
          -1
          In vain you are, these are serious guys and a serious division.


          Why do people have a Russian Jewish soldier, a Jewish partisan, which causes nothing but a smile.
          And these same people talk about the seriousness of Jewish soldiers in Israel?

          What is the difference??????

          Israel Homeland, and Russia a place to earn money?
          1. comprochikos
            comprochikos 29 December 2015 10: 47 New
            +1
            And what kind of cryptogram is they on the emblem. Knife on the background of some boobs
            1. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 29 December 2015 10: 59 New
              +3
              subtle hint: even kill a kill!
          2. cniza
            cniza 29 December 2015 10: 49 New
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            Quote: Temples
            [
            Why do people have a Russian Jewish soldier, a Jewish partisan, which causes nothing but a smile.


            It doesn’t cause me. In V.O. Jews fought very well in the war, they could not be taken prisoner, and many of them were heroes of the USSR.
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 29 December 2015 10: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: Temples
            What's the difference?

            And the difference is that there they are all the same and those who got to the warm place were just lucky. And there, no belonging to the Jews plays a role. They are all, for the most part, Jews.
          4. Pimply
            Pimply 29 December 2015 11: 18 New
            +6
            Quote: Temples
            Why do people have a Russian Jewish soldier, a Jewish partisan, which causes nothing but a smile.
            And these same people talk about the seriousness of Jewish soldiers in Israel?

            For stupid people who do not know history and are subject to prejudice, it can and does cause. For smart people who have read at least something on the topic, it’s unlikely
            1. sleeping sayan
              sleeping sayan 29 December 2015 14: 27 New
              -5
              Ну и выражение"Ташкентский фронт"не просто так появилось.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 29 December 2015 14: 57 New
                +2
                You, apparently, are not at all interested in the story? Nazi olist?
                1. sleeping sayan
                  sleeping sayan 29 December 2015 15: 22 New
                  0
                  Как это:"видимо историю совсем не интересуетесь"может всë таки историей.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 29 December 2015 20: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: Sleeping Sayan
                Ну и выражение"Ташкентский фронт"не просто так появилось.

                It appeared primarily because the Jews who fled from the occupied regions were primarily those who lived in these regions. And they had to be resettled somewhere.

                According to the Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defense, during the war with Germany, there were about 501 thousand Jews, including 167 thousand officers and 334 thousand soldiers, sailors and sergeants. According to the same archive, during the war years, died in battles, died from wounds and diseases, 198 thousands of Jewish soldiers went missing. This is 39,6% of their total [8]. According to Dr. Yitzhak Arad, approximately 120 — 180 thousand Jews died at the front and about 80 thousand were killed in prisoner of war camps. Of the surviving 300 thousand Jewish soldiers, 180 thousand (60%) were injured, of which more than 70 thousand (38%) were seriously injured. 27% of Jews went to the front as volunteers, 80% of Jews of ordinary and junior commanding officers served in combat units.
          5. avva2012
            avva2012 29 December 2015 11: 39 New
            +9
            Why do people have a Russian Jewish soldier, a Jewish partisan, which causes nothing but a smile.
            I don’t get a smile, especially a Jewish partisan. I read the recollections of war veterans collected by Artem Drabkin. You know, impressive. And, later, when the regular units were made of partisans, the Jews were often united into units (not by 100%, of course). So, the Germans were not taken prisoner. Most, after all, miraculously escaped from the ghetto. So, that paid with the Europeans nobly.
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              1. avva2012
                avva2012 29 December 2015 14: 18 New
                +2
                It was somehow disgusting after reading this joke. Guys who walked around the cemetery, go veterans?
                UPA-UNSO, Ali Galitchina? Maybe they made this cemetery? And, that, those who fell under the hot hand, they immediately repose. But a lot of ghouls have survived to this day. Ah, so funny. Well done, you are apparently a good person, right?
          6. Lepila
            Lepila 29 December 2015 12: 04 New
            10
            You will ask 120 Jewish Heroes of the Soviet Union what causes and what does not cause a smile. Jews are in fourth place in terms of the number of GSS and in second place in relation to the population. 500000 Jews fought on the Soviet-German Frontier, of which 200000 were killed
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          7. not a Jew
            not a Jew 29 December 2015 13: 37 New
            -2
            Quote: Temples
            Israel Homeland, and Russia a place to earn money?

            Exactly so. For example, Pupyrchatyi fell down from history and settled in white stone, now he writes his own tales there, he did not want to return to his native Leningrad, it was not enough to see the raft on the Neva banks. laughing
        2. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 29 December 2015 10: 45 New
          +3
          не слизывать,а использовать англ названия,а так на иврите есть слово "саерет"
        3. prishelec
          prishelec 29 December 2015 14: 04 New
          -2
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          It’s just that everyone has taken on the fashion of licking someone else’s names, as if their own imagination is not enough.

          They have everything else - especially the story!
      2. good7
        good7 29 December 2015 11: 40 New
        0
        It’s better to use this money to deploy a program to create combat robots as human losses are excluded and tangible economic benefits (insurance, salaries and treatment). Israel is not pressed by the Arabs, but by number and endless terror! And so they washed down artificial intelligence, entrusted him with policing and go drink tea!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 December 2015 11: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: good7
          It’s better to use this money to deploy a program to create combat robots as human losses are excluded and tangible economic benefits (insurance, salaries and treatment).

          Actually, in Israel there is a program of combat robots.

          Quote: good7
          Israel is not pressed by the Arabs, but by number and endless terror!

          Yes, yes, and also an earthworm
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 29 December 2015 10: 59 New
      +2
      They have their own training system. And it’s very effective. And the name is just in English.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 29 December 2015 14: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: Kent0001
        They have their own training system. And it’s very effective.

        И длительная. Только "учебка" в полтора раза длиннее всего срока служба в некоторых армиях...
  2. Roman1970
    Roman1970 29 December 2015 10: 01 New
    0
    Not, well, at the moment, the Jews are some of the best warriors in the world. This is like the Germans in the 40s. But. Remember what the Germans finished. Although the Jews are not my enemies.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 29 December 2015 10: 05 New
      -1
      So therefore, Hitler wanted to completely destroy them, as competitors.
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 29 December 2015 10: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Roman1970
      Remember what the Germans finished

      Do not really conceived to attack Russia .. tin
      1. Hello
        Hello 29 December 2015 11: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Do not really conceived to attack Russia .. tin

        Those in hot minds are thoughts that have already captured. And then I ask where my share is, comrades, and I have to have a conscience for so many years, and I’m dying of dividends. hi
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 December 2015 10: 05 New
    +4
    Серьёзные ребята. И не чураются рукопашки. Как то не привязывется к ним устоявшийся штамп : "трусливые ...".
    Apparently, almost 70 years of life in his country greatly change the mentality of the people ...
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 29 December 2015 10: 22 New
      +2
      ..... Serious guys. And do not shy away melee ....

      ....Насколько знаю , в уставе Израильской армии нет понятия "рукопашный бой"....Если не прав ,то поправьте.... hi
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 29 December 2015 10: 38 New
        +3
        The charter is there or not, I don’t know, but it’s generally called: Krav Maga. Serious thing, you must notice. There, after all, for many years they worked to catch a suicide bomber in a crowded place. Moreover, immediately and for good.
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    2. miru mir
      miru mir 29 December 2015 10: 22 New
      -1
      "Трусливые"-это именно штамп, и штамп, навязанный советской пропогандой hi
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 29 December 2015 11: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Серьёзные ребята. И не чураются рукопашки. Как то не привязывется к ним устоявшийся штамп : "трусливые ...".
      Apparently, almost 70 years of life in his country greatly change the mentality of the people ...

      In fact, it is for these people that melee is used more as part of the general training system.
      In fact, if it came to hand-to-hand, something repeatedly went wrong.
      1. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 30 December 2015 00: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        In fact, if it came to hand-to-hand, something repeatedly went wrong.

        huge +
        Although this is not entirely accurate in relation to the units of Mistaarvim.
  4. Gomel
    Gomel 29 December 2015 10: 06 New
    +6
    Interesting and for what article cons put?
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 29 December 2015 10: 09 New
      +4
      These are anti-Semites smile
      1. aleksfill
        aleksfill 29 December 2015 10: 45 New
        0
        And certainly not the Semites. Http://smayliki.ru/smilie-1334504487.html
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 29 December 2015 10: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: Gomel
      Interesting and for what article cons put?

      1. anti-Semitism
      2. False sense - patriotism
    3. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 29 December 2015 10: 12 New
      -4
      these are Pavlov’s dogs: Russia +
      not Russia -
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 29 December 2015 10: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Dan4eG
        these are Pavlov’s dogs: Russia +
        not Russia -

        And here is Russia? Cons put because Israel is mentioned in the article. It’s just that the actions of your government cause people to have an allergic reaction to your country, so they throw you sleepers at you. And not looking.
        1. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 29 December 2015 10: 49 New
          0
          What did I write? like from Russia, at the great and mighty you don’t understand at all!
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 29 December 2015 11: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: Dan4eG
            What did I write? like from Russia, at the great and mighty you don’t understand at all!

            Above you can see for yourself what you wrote. smile
            For some reason, you wrote about Russia, although the essence of the claim relates to Israel.
            Express your thoughts more clearly ...
            Now, if the article was about Vietnamese special forces, then there would be no minuses at all.
            So what is your statement about
            : Russia + not Russia -
            unfair, because Vietnam is also not Russia.
            1. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 29 December 2015 11: 14 New
              -2
              and there will be cons too!
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 29 December 2015 11: 52 New
                0
                Quote: Dan4eG
                and there will be cons too!

                Maybe they will, but not in such a percentage ratio.
                http://topwar.ru/68572-indoneziyskiy-specnaz-krasnye-berety-amfibii-i-drugie.htm
                l
                http://topwar.ru/69970-voiny-teni-na-zaschite-podnebesnoy.html
                http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=71870
      2. agent rossii
        agent rossii 29 December 2015 10: 39 New
        +4
        and you, apparently, a dog pandodana am
        1. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 29 December 2015 10: 53 New
          -4
          Well, who are you? I don’t even have doubts!
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 29 December 2015 11: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Gomel
      What are the disadvantages of the article?

      For misunderstanding of the written.
      For disagreement with the written.
      For the presence of differences with what is written in the instruction manual.
      A simple misunderstanding of humor guarantees a minus.
      and much more, not written by colleagues.
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 29 December 2015 11: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Gomel
      Interesting and for what article cons put?

      For the words of Israel and the Jews
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 December 2015 14: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        For the words of Israel and the Jews

        Including. For some, mention is listed as a red rag. For some it is intuitive, for some it is conscious.
        I suggest that minusers take an example from Stalin: he, unlike Hitler, was wiser and looked to the root. The purges were carried out for political reasons, and not for national reasons. wink Поверьте, результат был гораздо лучше, если судить по "любви" Сталина либеральной частью общества.
        P.S. I haven’t put any pluses or minuses to the article. Well, with the upcoming or something, Zhenechka! hi
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 29 December 2015 14: 59 New
          -2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          take an example from Stalin: he, unlike Hitler, was wiser, and looked at the root. The purges were carried out for political reasons, and not for national reasons.

          In no case will I defend the beast of Hitler, but if you mean the Jews, he did not destroy them as a nation as such, but against the faith, that is, the Jews (the same as he would, for example, destroy Catholics or Buddhists and so on).
          That is, it was not Jews who were destroyed as a people, but carriers of the Jewish faith.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 29 December 2015 18: 02 New
            +3
            Yeah, you, explain this to Jewish babies, which are behind the legs and head against the corner. Who, they were the executioners, Jews or bearers of the Jewish faith. It seems that the guy is smart in other comments, but you know what the hell. So, I baptized my son as expected on the eighth day. Who, he, will be Orthodox for the executioner or Russian. What is more important?
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 29 December 2015 20: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: quilted jacket
            In no case will I defend the beast of Hitler, but if you mean the Jews, he did not destroy them as a nation as such, but against the faith, that is, the Jews (the same as he would, for example, destroy Catholics or Buddhists and so on).
            That is, it was not Jews who were destroyed as a people, but carriers of the Jewish faith.

            You're lying, actually.
            From the Nuremberg Laws:
            (1) A Jew is considered to be one in whom three of his parents' parents were purebred Jews.
            (2) A person born in a mixed marriage, a citizen of the state, descended from two purebred Jews - the parents of his parents, is also considered a Jew if:

            a) at the time of the publication of the law, belongs to the Jewish community or was adopted into it later;
            b) at the time of the publication of the law was married to a Jew or entered into such a marriage later;
            c) comes from the mixed family described in subparagraph 1, registered after the Law on the Protection of German Blood and German Honor of 15 of September 1935 was adopted;
            d) is an illegitimate child, one of whose parents was a Jew.

            Subsequently, the half-breeds and quarter-tones began to sharply tighten the conditions.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 29 December 2015 20: 38 New
              -1
              Quote: Pimply
              Subsequently, the half-breeds and quarters began to sharply tighten the conditions

              So what? And those who consciously accepted Judaism without being a Jew (nationality) that Hitler did not destroy?
              For example, a French nationality adopted the Jewish faith, the Nazi grabbed him and asks if you believe who he says, says I believe in Yahweh, but by nationality I am a Frenchman and a Nazi answers him - Ahh, since you are French by nationality and your faith is Jewish, walk on freely I won’t take you to a concentration camp. So yes?
              Something somehow doesn’t agree with you smile
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 29 December 2015 20: 42 New
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              Subsequently, the half-breeds and quarter-tones began to sharply tighten the conditions.

              Even Michael Douglas was hooked. But do not you think that this can be traced to analogies with the customs of the Third Reich? Selection and Eugenics is just their theme. wink
              And here the division of people into pregnant and non-pregnant, and among the people who allegedly suffered most from the actions of the Nazis. hi
            3. padded jacket
              padded jacket 29 December 2015 20: 58 New
              -1
              Quote: Pimply
              A Jew is considered to be one in whom three of the parents of his parents were purebred Jews.

              And if only two of the parents of his parents were Jews, but by faith he was a Jew, then did the Nazis not touch him?
              Have you let go of the world? Or did they take to their service and give gifts?
              Dark pimply oh dark lol
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 30 December 2015 04: 57 New
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                Interestingly, if the Germans killed mostly Jews, then how to react to the order of 1941. That political prisoners should not be taken prisoner? The logic of the Germans was simple. In the USSR, all political leaders were Jews, as they believed. And what Soviet Jew, being a communist, could be a Jew?
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 29 December 2015 20: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The purges were carried out for political reasons, and not for national reasons.

          On national too, my friend. Not to the extent that Adolf Aloizovich, and mainly with the topic of relocation, tried. He had no time to seriously stir up the Jews, although he tried.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 December 2015 20: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            On national too, my friend.

            Zhenya, can’t you poke a nose at the fact? And it turns out somehow ugly on your part. Are you now granting autonomy in the Far East for genocide? laughing
            Quote: Pimply
            I didn’t manage to stir up the Jews seriously although I tried.
            And yes, how is it possible to exterminate Jews on ethnic grounds at the hands of other Jews? belay You have nothing to present to Joseph Vissarionovich, with all your will.
  5. Sosed_26
    Sosed_26 29 December 2015 10: 09 New
    +1
    just fear for a country short they got out of nothing, that is, they just took a cut off piece and now they say it is Israel
    they’re afraid they’ll take everything away.
    1. redeemer
      redeemer 29 December 2015 10: 36 New
      +2
      this is the land of the Jews. and stripped down. (by the way, do not think that I mean) proof is the crying wall. if you know what the wall is from. why cry. why is it a shrine to the Jews.
      The answer is obvious, you just have to analyze the facts and traditions. By the way, almost everyone knows what is at stake.
      sorry for the fog. but this is my purpose. I ask questions. and make you think. in times of vanity this is a difficult task.
      1. agent rossii
        agent rossii 29 December 2015 10: 41 New
        +3
        I am embarrassed to ask how long has this land belonged to the Jews ???? am
      2. Igor39
        Igor39 29 December 2015 10: 50 New
        +3
        And what? If Jews roamed Egypt, is this also their land?
        1. redeemer
          redeemer 29 December 2015 11: 01 New
          -3
          why did they wander through Egypt? and why were they like homeless people? and why did they need this land? After all, as an option was considered, Crimea? And in general, because I gave a hint, the crying wall. I can give one more - the dead sea. or do you consider only publicly available versions fed to you by the authorities? forgot how to think? ...
          1. Igor39
            Igor39 29 December 2015 11: 06 New
            0
            The Jews are the same nomadic Arabs, one seed, cultivated during their wanderings in Europe, and acquired a bit of civilization. And their only fairy tale is the Bible.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 29 December 2015 11: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: Igor39
              The Jews are the same nomadic Arabs, one seed, cultivated during their wanderings in Europe, and acquired a bit of civilization. And their only fairy tale is the Bible.

              And the processor that is in your computer
              1. Igor39
                Igor39 29 December 2015 11: 46 New
                +2
                And what processor did he invent in Israel or in America? Studied in Zurich, Berlin, Priston, and Israel and the Jews? Nobody says that Barclay de is either a great Scottish commander, because he achieved his success in Russia and was ours. If a person achieves something at some school, this is a good school, not Jews. What school did you have in 19 m, the first half of the 20 of the century?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 29 December 2015 11: 53 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Igor39
                  And what processor did he invent in Israel or in America? Studied in Zurich, Berlin, Priston, and Israel and the Jews? Nobody says that Barclay de is either a great Scottish commander, because he achieved his success in Russia and was ours. If a person achieves something at some school, this is a good school, not Jews. What school did you have in 19 m, the first half of the 20 of the century?

                  Well, most likely the percent on which you work is developed in Israel.
                  And then - that you suddenly began to suffer from the fact that I began to dig interest? After all, you yourself said that the Jews (you spoke precisely about them, and not about Israel) have nothing of their own. Should I continue? The list is long, I have a lot of interesting things there.
                  1. Igor39
                    Igor39 29 December 2015 12: 01 New
                    0
                    What do you have? Everything stolen, land from Palestine, the Bible from the Egyptians, like everything else brought to Israel and legalized, everything stolen from you laughing
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 08 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Igor39
                      What do you have? Everything stolen, land from Palestine, the Bible from the Egyptians, like everything else brought to Israel and legalized, everything stolen from you

                      Boyfriend, frequent mouth-opening does not make you smarter. If you think so, and therefore often open it, this is a mistake. 8) You can’t even troll normally. Studied badly?
                      1. Igor39
                        Igor39 29 December 2015 12: 13 New
                        -1
                        It doesn’t make you smarter either, you’re essentially answering, but don’t slip into trivial insults, wise guy laughing
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 20 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Igor39
                        It doesn’t make you smarter either, you’re essentially answering, but don’t slip into trivial insults, wise guy

                        My friend, it's nice to see you roll lower and lower. Is there anything original? ;) Well, come on, try, it suddenly turns out 8)
                      3. Igor39
                        Igor39 29 December 2015 12: 24 New
                        +2
                        All for now, I leave you alone with faith in the God-chosenness and skillfulness of the Jews laughing laughing laughing
                        Listen to you, it turns out that the Jews dug up the Dead Sea, as the Ukrainians Black Sea laughing laughing
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 33 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Igor39
                        All for now, I leave you alone with faith in the God-chosenness and skillfulness of the Jews
                        Listen to you, it turns out that the Jews dug up the Dead Sea, as the Ukrainians Black Sea

                        Boy, you’re tired. You are trying to troll and trying, trying and trying, but everything does not work out. Well, do not envy Gd’s election, it is not primarily preferences, but responsibilities.
                      5. Igor39
                        Igor39 29 December 2015 12: 38 New
                        +2
                        Well, yes, how did I forget that your responsibilities include licking Obama's black ass laughing laughing I believe that not everyone is able to do it laughing laughing laughing
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 39 New
                        0
                        Quote: Igor39
                        Well, yes, how did I forget that it’s your responsibility to lick Obama’s black ass I believe that not everyone is able to do this

                        And still does not work out. You try ...
                      7. Igor39
                        Igor39 29 December 2015 12: 46 New
                        +1
                        But I agree that Jews are obliged to do this, the provision obliges laughing laughing
                      8. Pimply
                        Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 47 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Igor39
                        But I agree that Jews are obliged to do this, the provision obliges

                        Are you exhausted?
              2. 1rl141
                1rl141 29 December 2015 13: 38 New
                -1
                Quote: Igor39
                All for now, I leave you alone with faith in the God-chosenness and skillfulness of the Jews laughing laughing laughing
                Listen to you, it turns out that the Jews dug up the Dead Sea, as the Ukrainians Black Sea laughing laughing

                They didn’t dig it out. They killed him.
              3. padded jacket
                padded jacket 29 December 2015 13: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: Igor39
                Listen to you, it turns out that the Jews dug up the Dead Sea, as the Ukrainians Black Sea

                And then the oceans come out, they dug together the ancient nationalists from Ukraine and the Jews? belay
              4. Igor39
                Igor39 29 December 2015 14: 13 New
                +1
                Yeah, I’d like to see how a professor will prove the exclusivity of Jews to Ukrainian professors who know that the most ancient and omnipotent is UKR laughing laughing
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 29 December 2015 14: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Boyfriend, frequent mouth-opening does not make you smarter.

        Then your jaw moves on your avatar! lol Do not judge by yourself!
        P.S. Thanks to the moderator (who cares?) for the banal removal of srach without warning, on both sides. I will not be offended by the removal of my koment. hi
      4. Pimply
        Pimply 29 December 2015 20: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Then your jaw moves on your avatar! Do not judge by yourself!
        P.S. Thanks to the moderator (who cares?) for the banal removal of srach without warning, on both sides. I will not be offended by the removal of my koment.

        Well, my friend, anything can happen on the avatar. The main thing is that in the head, right?
  • prishelec
    prishelec 29 December 2015 14: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: redeemer
    sorry for the fog. but this is my purpose. I ask questions. and make you think. in times of vanity this is a difficult task.


    At the time of the writing of the tafsir "Al Jalalayn" (15th century), "Al Aqsa" was not associated with Jerusalem. This is also indicated by Professor Nisim Dana, who believes that Muslims misinterpret their holy books. In his studies, he repeatedly comes across the fact that before the beginning of the Zionist movement, before the beginning of the mass return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael (the end of the XNUMXth century), Muslims practically did not feel any special love and interest in either Erez or Jerusalem. This city never had any administrative significance for either the Arab caliphs or the Turkish sultans. Caliph Al-Walid moved the provincial capital of Palestine to the new city of Ramla he built. Jerusalem did not enter his head. And even when Eretz Yisrael became part of the Ottoman Empire, Ramla remained the capital. "Do you know," asks Dana, "that during the time of the Mamluks, Jerusalem served as a place of exile for disgraced emirs? What kind of holiness is there?"

    Is it even possible to assume that the territory sacred for a particular religion could serve as a place of exile for the guilty people? Imagine that as a punishment a Muslim is exiled to Mecca. Absurd? Of course. But how then could Jerusalem serve as a place of exile if it were perceived in those days by the Holy Land? Moreover, not just the Holy Land, but the Abrahamic Center of Monotheism, equally revered by the three major world religions? If Jerusalem really were a place of storage of the Holy Sepulcher, if it really was a holy place, representatives of all three religions would cherish it at all times. However, back in the first half of the XNUMXth century, he was a provincial town that did not attract anyone's attention!

    Think about it! lol
  • Igor39
    Igor39 29 December 2015 10: 45 New
    -1
    Quite right, Israel never existed, but then it just appeared, is it like anyway?
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 29 December 2015 12: 35 New
      -1
      Member of the Knesset Pnina Tamano Shata wanted to donate blood in a mobile donor center led by Magen Adom, that is, in a government agency providing medical services.

      However, blood bank employees denied the woman the right to become a donor, saying that she had a special type of "Jewish-Ethiopian blood."

      Then Tamano-Shata was told that even if she was allowed to donate blood, this blood would not be frozen, as is usually done. “I’m good enough to serve the country in the Knesset, but for some reason I’m not fit to become a blood donor,” she said.

      As it became known, later Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu personally phoned Tamano Shata and promised that an investigation would be carried out on this incident.

      Ethiopian Jews have been constantly discriminated against since arriving in Israel. Many question their status as Jews.

      Immigrants from African countries such as Sudan and Eritrea are also harassed by the Israeli authorities. A few days ago, the Knesset approved the law according to which illegal immigrants from Africa can be imprisoned for a year without trial.

      This is only the last of a series of discriminatory measures against the entry of Africans into the occupied Palestinian land, which, according to apartheid-inspired Israeli government, pose a danger to the "Jewish character."
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 December 2015 13: 04 New
        +8
        "...против въезда африканцев на оккупированную палестинскую землю"////

        You rarely see such touching concern for Africans in our time ... fellow
        Palestinians (Arabs), by the way, also do not strongly favor those who arrived
        poor Africans.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 29 December 2015 10: 21 New
    +1
    The guys look their best! The type of persons that our specialists have, that theirs. One, cuts, all the same, somehow it’s not our way, and they give honor too. laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 December 2015 10: 46 New
      11
      It’s good that you didn’t see them marching ... laughing
      There is no drill training in the IDF (right-left, etc.)
      And there are no parades since the 70s.
      But sometimes ensigns are forced to build and go - for especially solemn
      cases. And then the circus: the steeper the special forces, the landing, the funnier they are marching. And this is often on purpose - fool around wink .
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 29 December 2015 11: 43 New
        +2
        They are not created for parades.
        I, so I think, Arabs, when they are in business, do not laugh. Ah, that’s the main thing. It is not pleasant, one thing that with USA, they took an army foreign culture, but they could come up with. Moreover, there is something to be proud of.
        1. Hello
          Hello 29 December 2015 11: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: avva2012
          It’s not pleasant, one thing that with USA, they took an army foreign culture, but they could come up with

          I welcome Alexander, I did not understand about culture, the style of work of the Tsakhal and the US Army is quite different. Please explain what you meant.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 29 December 2015 11: 55 New
            +1
            Hello Ilya. External, these lotions. How they stand, how they honor. It smells of Americanism. About how they work in Israel, especially specialists, he was interested. Read, listened to people from the former. Therefore, I say that I am proud of my own.
            1. Hello
              Hello 29 December 2015 12: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: avva2012
              external, these lotions. How they stand, how they honor. It smells of Americanism.

              Rather, England, the British army strongly influenced Tzahal, although it is possible that something was taken from the Americans. Israel does not bother with external attributes, of course they are, but they are minimal. For example, I have never performed a military greeting from a school, except for official events, and I’ve gotten them out twice.hi
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 29 December 2015 12: 29 New
                +1
                And it is right! Well, theirs, external attributes.
                The main thing is that many people know how to defend their homeland. Some countries need to learn in this regard. Well, come on, it's a thing of the past. In Russia, now, at every school, there are schools of courage again. Boys, again began to learn to love the homeland. You look, we will break through. hi
              2. Rumata
                Rumata 29 December 2015 14: 24 New
                +3
                Quote: Hello
                never performed, except for official events, and they were counted just two times.

                Особенно на сборе резервистов. В последний раз с генералом (три фалафеля, алюф мишнэ) туну кушали с консервов и "про жизнь" трындели,а дядя возглавляет бригаду, офигенный мужик.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 29 December 2015 14: 51 New
                  +1
                  Rumata, explain what they ate and what the three falafels are?
                  1. Hello
                    Hello 29 December 2015 15: 02 New
                    +2
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Rumata, explain what they ate and what the three falafels are?

                    Tuna is tuna, and falafel is leaves on shoulder straps (well, there is such a dish) three falafels correspond to the colonel. hi
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 29 December 2015 15: 25 New
                      0
                      Thank you both, but, damn it, and aluf mishne?
                      1. Hello
                        Hello 29 December 2015 15: 31 New
                        +3
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Thank you both, but, damn it, and aluf mishne?

                        Alyuf Mishne is just a colonel, literally something like a deputy governor (general)
                        Sorry for a bunch of words in Hebrew, Russian-speaking Israelis sometimes breaks into a sort of surzhik. laughing
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 29 December 2015 15: 45 New
                        +1
                        three falafels, aluf mishne
                        So a colonel, general, or colonel general?
                      3. Rumata
                        Rumata 29 December 2015 16: 06 New
                        +3
                        Quote: avva2012
                        So a colonel, general, or colonel general?

                        Colonel I was always confused in translating Israeli ranks into Russian because there is a colonel who is ex officio an analogue to a general in Russia, then a rank taken by an analogy of the British army, he is not in the Russian Federation, and then immediately major general, who is a general in Western countries.
                        Aluf Mishne literally is a junior general, although he is of course Colonel ...
                        Quote: Hello
                        , Russian-speaking Israelis sometimes breaks into a sort of surzhik

                        So I wrote in brackets for the Israelis. Tuna she is everywhere Tuna, the rest is clear, tryndel with an officer and ate canned food.
                        Суржик это что-то типа "Мне один таймани продал мазган, подключил к хашмалю, но не могу выставить на хом. " Не нужно путать теплое, с мягким, и уж точно не нужно извиняться за меня. С уважением
                      4. avva2012
                        avva2012 29 December 2015 16: 56 New
                        0
                        Thank. In Hebrew, is there surzhik? I imagined that surzhik is Yiddish. And, Hebrew, can’t change, well, like the Church Slavonic.
                      5. Rumata
                        Rumata 29 December 2015 17: 09 New
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        I imagined that surzhik is Yiddish.

                        In the original, surzhik is a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian with a few additions of Polish. But surzhik is often called any cross between two languages. For example, immigrants from the CIS who have lived in the USA for a long time also begin to use surzhik, since it is difficult for them to pick up analogies in Russian.
                        Говорить или писать на суржике не вежливо. Это как в том видео - "Я люблю этого дизайнера, его могут носить люди любого возраста, любого эйдж, хайт и шейп. Его вещи таймлес". В вк мелькало как-то "интервью" =) Использование отдельных, трудно переводимых, специфичных слов, суржиком не является. Пальхик не суржик, так же как не суржик "ОМОН", например...
                      6. avva2012
                        avva2012 29 December 2015 17: 18 New
                        +2
                        Я, наверное достал, но интересно (вам не знаю, мне точно). Идиш, это смесь немецкого, польского и немного иврита. Иврит-это язык, на котором написана Тора, или нет? Т.е., по определению, суржик из иврита, как "Отче наш", это "батяня наш" на суржике церковнославянском. Для православного, быть не может. Видимо, чего-то не понимаю.
                      7. Rumata
                        Rumata 29 December 2015 17: 53 New
                        +4
                        Modern Hebrew is a revived language. or as some write adapted. But here it is worth splitting into two parts. It is safe to say that the Hebrew Torah is 2500 years ago, and Hebrew is now very close, and in many respects identical, but most of the words in the Torah are not mentioned, and the Jews themselves used Yiddish, Hebrew, Russian and even Farsi.

                        Например слово "женщина" - "иша" есть в Торе и письменной и устной, и во многих других книгах написанных на древнем иврите и в последствии. То есть можно с уверенностью утверждать что этому слову, в этом значении как минимум 3000 лет, и я каждый день использую слова которым несколько веков. Кстати вся история с непорочным зачатием это неверный перевод с иврита слова молодая женщина, как девственница.

                        Но такие вещи как электричество, Панда или Ирокез пришлось придумать, так как изначально их на иврите не было, и в отличии от русского языка, иврит редко где был разговорным и соответственно не всегда мог эти слова позаимствовать (например на русском "парашют", "телефон", "автомобиль", "логика", "конституция" и т.д)
                        Although often invented words are not used, for example, a telephone, he is a Hebrew telephone, despite the fact that there is another word that was invented exclusively for this device
                      8. avva2012
                        avva2012 30 December 2015 04: 53 New
                        0
                        Thank! Interesting.
    2. Rumata
      Rumata 29 December 2015 15: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: avva2012
      Rumata, explain what they ate and what the three falafels are?

      =) This is slang for the ranks. Falafel is an oak leaf on uniform
      One falafel is a major, two lieutenant colonels, and so on.
  • Hello
    Hello 29 December 2015 14: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Rumata
    Особенно на сборе резервистов. В последний раз с генералом (три фалафеля, алюф мишнэ) туну кушали с консервов и "про жизнь" трындели,а дядя возглавляет бригаду, офигенный мужик.

    Well, dear, this is a completely different army, we threw eggs at our company company for the last time when he received the title. He came to us so pleased with new shoulder straps and raced. wassat
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 29 December 2015 15: 47 New
      0
      And what, you don’t throw stars in a glass with vodka anymore?
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 29 December 2015 16: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: avva2012
        And what, you don’t throw stars in a glass with vodka anymore?

        The ceremony for obtaining a new rank in the AOI is very modest. A senior officer puts on new shoulder straps to his subordinate, only in the case of the head of the general staff, put them on the Minister of Defense with the head of government. Very often, his wife puts on the second shoulder strap to the officer.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 29 December 2015 17: 11 New
          +1
          Are you seriously?
          I knew that in tradition, a special attitude to mom. But that the wife was on a par with the chief of the General Staff?
        2. Rumata
          Rumata 29 December 2015 17: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: avva2012
          Are you seriously?
          I knew that in tradition, a special attitude to mom. But that the wife was on a par with the chief of the General Staff?

          The fact that the officer puts on new epaulettes is rooted quite far. Why, sometimes wives participate in this, I don’t know, maybe other Israelis are in the know. Moreover, if a woman is promoted, often the second person is her husband. Israel loves complex symbolism, maybe this is it, like in any career growth is the merit of the wife, I don’t know ...
        3. avva2012
          avva2012 29 December 2015 17: 38 New
          +5
          Thanks again. I have, it's already night. Goodbye. If we don’t hear on the forum, then Happy New Year! To all your loved ones, health!
        4. Rumata
          Rumata 29 December 2015 18: 03 New
          +3
          Happy New Year!
  • MACCABI-TLV
    MACCABI-TLV 30 December 2015 00: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: avva2012
    The guys look their best! The type of persons that our specialists have, that theirs.

    All specialists in all countries are similar to each other, because they are selected into units according to very similar requirements and programs.
  • mishastich
    mishastich 29 December 2015 10: 24 New
    0
    Bullshit toil, and Givati ​​and Golani are being deprived of special forces.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 December 2015 10: 48 New
      +3
      В Гивати и Голани остались "спец-роты" ("саярот"), В переводе
      "патрульная", фактически - спецназ.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 29 December 2015 14: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        В Гивати и Голани остались "спец-роты" ("саярот"), В переводе
        "патрульная", фактически - спецназ.

        All the same, the reconnaissance company is probably closer in meaning, work behind the front line is still the main profile of brigade saiyarot, reconnaissance and destruction of especially important objects, somehow
    2. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 29 December 2015 10: 55 New
      +2
      не лишают,у них свои есть : "гадсар"
      1. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 30 December 2015 00: 54 New
        0
        Battalion 585 is not exactly a special forces unit. Ordinary infantry baht, with the skills of trackers.
        1. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 30 December 2015 09: 35 New
          0
          гадсар бедуи к гивати относить лишь по берету,так они дивизия "Газа",у гивати свой гадсар есть
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 29 December 2015 11: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: mishastich
      Bullshit toil, and Givati ​​and Golani are being deprived of special forces.

      Not deprived - they have three specials left for each
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 December 2015 11: 50 New
        0
        I'm lying.
        4 at Givati ​​(Palsar, Palhan, Palnat, Palkhik) - reconnaissance units, special communications units, anti-tank special forces and engineering special forces.
        4 at Golani (Palsar, Palhan, Palhan, Palhik) - the same set.
        1. mishastich
          mishastich 29 December 2015 11: 57 New
          +1
          Then explain to me the stupid, why the Commando brigade is being formed, its units are centralized? Or will the units remain in their old places, and will they receive instructions and combat from the mega-bunker?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 11 New
            +4
            Quote: mishastich
            Then explain to me the stupid, why the Commando brigade is being formed, its units are centralized? Or will the units remain in their old places, and will they receive instructions and combat from the mega-bunker?

            For starters, those units that remain and which are in command are different units.
            It is formed for quite clear purposes & The new brigade is not intended to act as a whole in case of war, the goal is to unify the general aspects of training, equipment, weapons, administration, etc., increase the level of interaction and exchange of experience, and general standardize combat training. The specific specializations of the units for which they were created will be retained.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 29 December 2015 12: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: mishastich
            Then explain to me the stupid, why the Commando brigade is being formed, its units are centralized? Or will the units remain in their old places, and will they receive instructions and combat from the mega-bunker?

            The team will report directly to the MTR headquarters. And not to second as before the subdivisions at his disposal.
          3. Hello
            Hello 29 December 2015 12: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: mishastich
            Then explain to me the stupid, why the Commando brigade is being formed, its units are centralized? Or will the units remain in their old places, and will they receive instructions and combat from the mega-bunker?

            I think Aron’s answer is most true
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            In principle, the name is not very. But apparently they decided not to reinvent the wheel. The main thing in this association is the simplification of logistics. The basic course from kmb to the general special is identical for them. In addition, it will be possible to assign to the brigade part of the Air Force and engineering troops, which will be a constant strengthening, and not be attracted from time to time. In addition, along with preserving the specifics of each battalion with such a structure, it is possible to conduct short specialization courses in all directions, which means, if necessary, strengthen the battalion that will be on the cutting edge.

            Logistics and nothing more, simplify the so-called. wink
          4. padded jacket
            padded jacket 29 December 2015 13: 32 New
            0
            Похоже это просто очередное подразделение по оккупации и дальнейшему "освобождению" от коренного населения захваченных Израилем территорий.
        2. Hello
          Hello 29 December 2015 12: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          I'm lying.
          4 at Givati ​​(Palsar, Palhan, Palnat, Palkhik) - reconnaissance units, special communications units, anti-tank special forces and engineering special forces.
          4 at Golani (Palsar, Palhan, Palhan, Palhik) - the same set.

          Palkhik special forces only on paper, sit all day on the base of the ballet sharpen. At least that was the case with us in Givati. repeat
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Hello
            Palkhik special forces only on paper, sit all day on the base of the ballet sharpen. At least that was the case with us in Givati.

            However, they are
        3. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 29 December 2015 12: 26 New
          +1
          confused, palhan in the brigade is working, pugtat-plugat tatspiet
        4. Rumata
          Rumata 29 December 2015 14: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Palmik

          Palhik was abolished even when I served. More precisely, they’ve transferred somewhere, after that I didn’t see Palhik at the base in Shraga anymore, and they didn’t appear with us at the exercises ...
          1. Hello
            Hello 29 December 2015 14: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Rumata
            Palhik was abolished even when I served. More precisely, they’ve transferred somewhere, after that I didn’t see Palhik at the base in Shraga anymore, and they didn’t appear with us at the exercises ...

            Palhik freeloaders, they only go to the brigade’s teachings, but they think of themselves as a minimum. am
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 29 December 2015 15: 51 New
              +3
              confused, palhan in the brigade is working, pugtat-plugat tatspiet
              Palhik abolished
              Palmik freeloaders

              But, Hebrew, the language is not difficult. I, almost understood everything already. Especially what I singled out. wassat
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 29 December 2015 16: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: avva2012
                confused, palhan in the brigade is working, pugtat-plugat tatspiet
                Palhik abolished
                Palhik freeloaders

                But, Hebrew, the language is not difficult. I, almost understood everything already. Especially what I singled out.

                Company X was abolished, and they freeloaders =)) In fact, such terms are simply difficult to translate. For example, palhan - if translated, it is something like an engineering company. But in reality this is a special company of a brigade level, the only training of which, now, is a year and 4 months. Strong emphasis on orientation, they also study explosives as part of reconnaissance battalion, they can not only open minefields to cross the border, but also undermine bridges, towers, mine important roads. Focusing on work behind the front line. Or a fire chamber - a company fighting tanks, but the possibility of its use is not much more extensive ...
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 29 December 2015 17: 04 New
                  0
                  whose training, now, is the year and 4 of the month.
                  Yes seriously. That is, special forces of the border troops, suicide bombers. Chambers, did not understand, analogies, it seems to me in Russia there. If, there is an opportunity in Russian, a link, in PM you will not throw off?
                  1. Rumata
                    Rumata 29 December 2015 17: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Yes seriously. That is, special forces of the border troops, suicide bombers. Chambers, did not understand, analogies, it seems to me in Russia there. If, there is an opportunity in Russian, a link, in PM you will not throw off?

                    К сожалению у меня ничего на эту тему нет. В интернете много статей об элитных спецвойсках типа спецназа генерального штаба, спецназа ВМФ ( Шаетет-13). Так же хватает статей об особых подразделениях типа тех которые описаны в статье,а вот об разведротах пехотных и танковых бригад на русском статей мало. Наверно потому что их довольно много и они считаются менее престижными. Хотя истории разведроты бригады Голани, могут позавидовать многие спецы с других стран, и как по мне по сравнению с ними "Эгоз" с "Маглан" из статьи выше - скромно курят в сторонке, но мое мнение предвзятое =)))
                    Например во время операции "Энтеббе", которую изучают во многих странах мира, именно они высадились вместе со спецназом генштаба, и участвовали в операции.
            2. MACCABI-TLV
              MACCABI-TLV 30 December 2015 00: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: Hello
              Palhik freeloaders, they only go to the brigade’s teachings, but they think of themselves as a minimum

              Что поделать "Все в Гивати кусиот"(с) drinks
  • DMB3000
    DMB3000 29 December 2015 10: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    И эти тоже под амеров косят, "коммандо" это вам не шутки.

    when standing with your hands cover your ass)
  • starik80
    starik80 29 December 2015 10: 38 New
    -2
    Some kind of clowns, it looks like a cheap blockbuster (apparently they looked uncontrollable). Arabs in the desert drove off.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 December 2015 10: 38 New
    +6
    Prior to this, these special forces formally subordinate to the infantry brigades,
    от которых когда-то "отпочковались". А де-факто их использовало обычно
    command of the districts: north, south, gas, etc. and sometimes - the general staff.
    Это создавало неудобство, споры "кому-нужнее".
    So they decided to unite under one roof.
    There are no new units in the new brigade.
  • triglav
    triglav 29 December 2015 10: 39 New
    +2
    The guys are serious in specialists. And what united - probably the command knows better. Although now they will have direct submission to the General Staff most likely.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 29 December 2015 10: 43 New
    +4
    Bribes in the Israeli Special Forces lack of show-offs and the presence of serious combat training.

    The emblem is beautiful.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 29 December 2015 11: 15 New
    0
    Quote: comprochikos
    And what kind of cryptogram do they have on the emblem


    we’ll stick a knife in the back of any weakened state around us.
  • denni
    denni 29 December 2015 11: 15 New
    +1
    Mazl Tof comrades of the Jews!
  • Hello
    Hello 29 December 2015 11: 17 New
    +8
    Oh, but I didn’t like the emblem. It’s somehow dry, although the emblem is the case. In the comments, another srach about captured land and nomad Jews. What to do in those days when the Jews were formed as a people with agriculture in Israel there were problems. There are few water people. Kibbutzians later came up with. fellow
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 29 December 2015 11: 40 New
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    In principle, the name is not very. But apparently they decided not to reinvent the wheel. The main thing in this association is the simplification of logistics. The basic course from kmb to the general special is identical for them. In addition, it will be possible to assign to the brigade part of the Air Force and engineering troops, which will be a constant strengthening, and not be attracted from time to time. In addition, along with preserving the specifics of each battalion with such a structure, it is possible to conduct short specialization courses in all directions, which means, if necessary, strengthen the battalion that will be on the cutting edge.
  • Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 29 December 2015 11: 47 New
    +3
    And what kind of patch below the emblem? Like Lebanese cedar?
    1. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 29 December 2015 12: 18 New
      +5
      on the first picture? this title is three strips and a leaf: senior sergeant.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 12 New
    +3
    In fact, the most important question is whether Egoza will change their brown beret, for which they cling with all their might, to red, or not.
    1. miru mir
      miru mir 29 December 2015 12: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Pimply
      In fact, the most important question: will Egosa change their brown beret

      laughing laughing laughing
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 29 December 2015 12: 19 New
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      Quote: Pimply
      In fact, the most important question is whether Egoza will change their brown beret, for which they cling with all their might, to red, or not.

      Veterans apparently reach. And young people will already receive red.
    3. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 29 December 2015 12: 23 New
      +1
      Will a new beret be introduced?
      1. Hello
        Hello 29 December 2015 12: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Dan4eG
        Will a new beret be introduced?

        As I understand it, they will get red as echidote matkaliiot (units subordinate to the chief of staff)
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 December 2015 12: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Hello
          As I understand it, they will get red as echidote matkaliiot (units subordinate to the chief of staff)

          Do not get red as in all the malachy to which they are assigned
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 29 December 2015 13: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Dan4eG
        Will a new beret be introduced?

        In 98 divisions into which the boogada is regularly subordinated, the red beret. So there will be nothing new.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 29 December 2015 14: 36 New
          +3
          Many in Egoz will be very opposed to changing the beret, yet most of their history is associated precisely with the Golani brigade.
          1. MACCABI-TLV
            MACCABI-TLV 30 December 2015 01: 10 New
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            Quote: Rumata
            Many in Egoz will be very opposed to changing the beret,

            Переживут!!!Я, перед самым дембелем в 94,провожал в "Эгоз" 2 пальги из сокращенного к тому времени Яхир 367 (Шимшон).Ребята были бэ соф маслюль с красными Беретами,и не чего ...выжили,и "Дубы" выживут. wink
  • 31rus
    31rus 29 December 2015 12: 45 New
    +1
    Dear, it’s clear with the brigade that the enemy is indicated for the commandos, the question of where the districts from where these units were taken will be replenished with new special forces units, i.e. how this will be carried out, whether the formation of new units, or the new brigade will act according to its previous tasks ? After all, the specifics and the difference in it are quite serious, who can answer or throw off the information?
    1. From Samara
      From Samara 29 December 2015 13: 10 New
      +3
      In Russia, too, the SDB was removed from the Ground Forces and transferred to the Airborne Forces, and from the GRU, special forces brigades were transferred to the Ground Forces ... Everywhere is a search for optimal solutions ...
    2. Hello
      Hello 29 December 2015 13: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: 31rus
      Dear, it’s clear with the brigade that the enemy is indicated for the commandos, the question of where the districts from where these units were taken will be replenished with new special forces units, i.e. how this will be carried out, whether the formation of new units, or the new brigade will act according to its previous tasks ? After all, the specifics and the difference in it are quite serious, who can answer or throw off the information?

      I think they will be let down by a common denominator in terms of training, they used to be not very different from each other and now they will be more or less similar, plus or minus a few additional skills for each detachment. At the moment, everyone except Rimon doesn’t work according to his special duties or rarely work, about dudevden I can be mistaken I do not have accurate information.
      For tasks, I think they will act on previous tasks just more efficiently, that is, they will less plug holes in linear units. Plus, most likely, work directly with intelligence and Shabak without intermediaries in the form of counties.
      In short, the usual reorganization in order to increase efficiency. hi
      1. 31rus
        31rus 29 December 2015 13: 42 New
        +1
        Уважаемый,Алло,спасибо тут бесспорно эффективность возрастет,а вот "время реакции",на угрозу?То же взаимодействие с линейными частями находящимися на местах?Опять же подогнать общую подготовку можно,но на то и профессионалы,что каждый заточен и умеет делать,что то лучше,тут уйдет не мало времени на хорошую до подготовку,или все таки задачи бригады несколько другого характера?
        1. Hello
          Hello 29 December 2015 13: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: 31rus
          or all the same, the tasks of the brigade are of a slightly different nature?

          Well, if I commanded that brigade, I would know, and since you can only guess. hi
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 29 December 2015 14: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: 31rus
          Уважаемый,Алло,спасибо тут бесспорно эффективность возрастет,а вот "время реакции",на угрозу?То же взаимодействие с линейными частями находящимися на местах?Опять же подогнать общую подготовку можно,но на то и профессионалы,что каждый заточен и умеет делать,что то лучше,тут уйдет не мало времени на хорошую до подготовку,или все таки задачи бригады несколько другого характера?

          Смотри, как написал "Алло" одной из проблем которую решили с созданием бригады это окончание тенденции использовать эти подразделения ,как отлично подготовленную пехоту, что практиковалось комбригами в чьем непосредственном подчинении они находились. Потом как я уже писал уменьшение тыловой базы. Ибо каждый спецназ создавал под себя отдельное подразделение обеспечения. Кроме этого сведя под одну крышу инструкторский состав возможно расширить количество курсов , которые проходят спецназовцы. И наконец штаб ССО получает в свое распоряжение часть, которая будет подчинятся ему на прямую.
    3. Rumata
      Rumata 29 December 2015 14: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: 31rus
      Dear, it’s clear with the brigade that the enemy is indicated for the commandos, the question of where the districts from where these units were taken will be replenished with new special forces units, i.e. how this will be carried out, whether the formation of new units, or the new brigade will act according to its previous tasks ? After all, the specifics and the difference in it are quite serious, who can answer or throw off the information?

      Everyone has their own specifics and their own district.
      Egoz has always been, is and will be on the northern border. Rimon in the south, dudevane in Judea and Samaria. They have very similar tasks and it is logical that they were united under a common command. Now, of course, Egoz can, and is sent, to Judea, and Rimon can be quartered in the North for rotation, but in case of war, everyone will have their own district, since all the specifics of their training are tied to it. Egoz is taught to fight in the mountains with dense vegetation of Lebanon, and Rimon is taught to deserts, but dudevane, ideally, should not leave cities at all
      1. 31rus
        31rus 29 December 2015 15: 58 New
        +1
        Dear, Rumata, I perfectly understood this, so all the same, the creation of some regional centers, similar to the one in Russia?
      2. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 30 December 2015 01: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Rumata
        Duvdevan, ideally, should not leave cities at all


        I don’t understand at all what place Mistaarvim is to infantry special forces, what can they give? Lashabiya (Fighting in buildings) at all and so is practically at the same level. Lothar (counter-terror) it may be the only thing that they have better than everyone else otherwise worse than everyone at times.
        Quote: Hello
        , about duvdevan I can be mistaken I do not have accurate information.

        Quote: Hello
        Plus, most likely, work directly with intelligence and Shabak without intermediaries in the form of counties.

        By the way, this is the missing link in my logical chain. Duvdevan is working directly with Shin. Bet and intelligence. It is possible that they will make a sort of Yamam-Light in the framework of the new brigade.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 30 December 2015 02: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: MACCABI-TLV
          I don’t understand what place Mistaarvim to infantry special forces, what can they give?

          Ну не стоит забыть что этим занимаеться только четверть дувдевана, и это не их главная задача. У "Эгоз", "Римон" и "Дувдеван" очень схожая специфика, они все заточены на борьбу с герильей в том или ином виде. На севере это Хизбалла и горная местность с плотной растительностью, на юге синайские бедуины и прочие, которые тоже используют хорошее знание пустыни у границы, кто пытался ловить контрабандистов с Синая, поймет о чем я. Ну а "Дувдеван" это тоже самое только в условиях застройки.

          Яркий пример первая антифада, где 65-70% ВСЕХ арестов, произвел "Дувдеван", или "Эгоз", который до выхода из Ливана, брал на себя львиную долю борьбы с герильей там, да и во второй ливанской они были загружены полностью.
          А вот каким макаром сюда попал "Маглан", мне не совсем понятно
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  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 29 December 2015 19: 40 New
    +3
    I read the thoughts of Israeli odoforumchan. I thought ... I came to the conclusion that you can’t figure out the structure of the IDF without a liter ... And there is also the Air Force and the Navy ... And the same rank ...