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The Ministry of Finance of Ukraine on Russia's debt: either restructuring or court

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Natalia Yaresko, the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance, said that Kiev does not intend to lift the moratorium on the payment of Russia's state debt, it will act until the matter is resolved by the court, or until Moscow restructured this debt, reports RIA News.




“Either a judicial decision, or a non-judicial decision, that is, restructuring,” said the minister, answering the question of how long the moratorium will take.

According to her, “Ukraine behaved in good faith in the matter of restructuring the debt of the Russian Federation,” and for Kiev “there is no difference in the status of this debt (i.e., be it private, though it is state).”

The agency recalls that the Ukrainian Cabinet has imposed a moratorium on the payment of the 3 billionth debt to Russia. At the same time, Yatsenyuk repeatedly declared Kiev’s readiness to sue Moscow on this issue. Contrary to the decision of the IMF, the head of the Cabinet does not recognize the debt as a state debt and calls it “a bribe to the former President of Ukraine, Yanukovych.”
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  1. avvg
    avvg 26 December 2015 08: 40 New
    +8
    Yaresko hopes that the Ukrainian debt, Russia will forgive someday, as it has forgiven debts to the poorest countries in Africa and Asia.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 26 December 2015 08: 50 New
      39
      Quote: avvg
      Yaresko hopes that Russia will someday forgive debts.

      And we hope that Russia will answer this impudent Ukrainian-American muzzle
      1. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 26 December 2015 08: 54 New
        20
        Bon voyage to Ukraine ....
      2. zanoza
        zanoza 26 December 2015 09: 03 New
        16
        A court decision in favor of Russia will not add money to the treasury of Ukraine. They will take note and will not pay. The EU and the IMF did not bother about Ukraine’s refusal to pay Russia; they slightly tweaked their rules in order to continue lending to these tricks. Europe is not going to put pressure on Dill and the court decision will not become an occasion to change its attitude towards banderlogs.
        It is simply obvious that Dill is an occasion for pressure on Russia. Both the US and the EU will continue to support this gentle abscess while they need it.
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 26 December 2015 09: 26 New
          0
          Yes, but at the same time it is a lever of influence on our part. Debt, not big, but can work for a long time. And one more thing, of course, they are dragging on time, but while the litigation is going on, the economy of the bottom will not reach, and stabilization is not worth the wait.
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 December 2015 10: 16 New
            +6
            Quote: Observer 33
            Yes, but at the same time it is a lever of influence on our part. Debt, not big, but can work for a long time. And one more thing, of course, they are dragging on time, but while the litigation is going on, the economy of the bottom will not reach, and stabilization is not worth the wait.

            There is no leverage, Russia had leverage on the floor of the world worth 140 billion - in the end, they forgave everyone.
        2. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 09: 28 New
          0
          Quote: zanoza
          A court decision in favor of Russia will not add money to the treasury of Ukraine.

          it's like?
          1. Maxom75
            Maxom75 26 December 2015 09: 44 New
            +4
            Just a positive decision will allow you to seize the property of Ukraine abroad and sell it to pay off debt, in addition, all transactions going to Ukraine can be arrested and transferred to the creditor. In short, Yaresko is too smart for the Minister of Finance, apparently studying poorly.
            1. kuz363
              kuz363 26 December 2015 09: 57 New
              +5
              You are naive! First you need to compare the value of foreign property of Ukraine without diplomatic immunity. I assure you that such crumbs will not even be typed into a small part of 3 mln. In addition, it is necessary to obtain permission from local courts in these countries. And this is a long song with appeals, petitions, etc. for feeding lawyers. And the court decision on the debt will not be in a year. Typically, these processes last 3-5 years. Ukraine will delay the process of consideration by filing counterclaims, for example, on Crimean property or losses in the Donbass. And when there is a positive decision, Ukraine may pay a million a year, or maybe not. And any modern rules for arresting transactions always cost (as in the case of transferring money from the Mistral to Russia) or come up with new ones. Recent IMF decisions say nothing?
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 December 2015 10: 20 New
                +3
                Quote: kuz363
                You are naive! First you need to compare the value of foreign property of Ukraine without diplomatic immunity.

                In the end, everything will pour out (maximum) - by taking Ukrainian property for debts in Crimea (do not forget that in Crimea there is a huge amount of property that is Ukrainian according to all norms of international law)
                As a result (if there is a court) and Russia wins, Ukraine will transfer this property (not all of course) to the account of debts - and you won’t dig.
                1. Zeppelin ml.
                  Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 10: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  As a result (if there is a court) and Russia wins, Ukraine will transfer this property (not all of course) to the account of debts - and you won’t dig.

                  Naftogaz on Crimean assets is preparing a separate lawsuit. Already chose an American law firm for $ 1,25 million.
                2. Vladimir 1964
                  Vladimir 1964 26 December 2015 12: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  In the end, everything will pour out (maximum) - by taking Ukrainian property for debts in Crimea (do not forget that in Crimea there is a huge amount of property that is Ukrainian according to all norms of international law)
                  As a result (if there is a court) and Russia wins, Ukraine will transfer this property (not all of course) to the account of debts - and you won’t dig.


                  You know, Alexander, I am also inclined to think that some kind of compromise solution will be found to save the “face”, such as the one you proposed. hi
              2. Siberian38
                Siberian38 26 December 2015 12: 11 New
                0
                What are smart! Default this means all the money that will go to dill automatically fall on the account of Russia.
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 26 December 2015 10: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Maxom75
              ... in addition, all transactions going to Ukraine can be arrested and transferred to the creditor.


              They can ... but they will not. The West will not allow collecting tribute to another from its colony. In the best case, it will make eyebrows a house: "What debts? ... And your milk ran away."
              So that winning a lawsuit will give only moral satisfaction, but not real money.
            3. atalef
              atalef 26 December 2015 10: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Maxom75
              Just a positive decision will allow you to seize the property of Ukraine abroad and sell it to pay the debt,

              Russia lost to Yukos - so how? Arrested?
              1. Felix2
                Felix2 26 December 2015 10: 49 New
                0
                Yes, property in France has been seized.
            4. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 26 December 2015 12: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Maxom75
              Just a positive decision will allow you to seize the property of Ukraine abroad and sell it to pay off debt, in addition, all transactions going to Ukraine can be arrested and transferred to the creditor. In short, Yaresko is too smart for the Minister of Finance, apparently studying poorly.


              Michael, and you yourself believe in what you write about. Sorry, colleague, but in the light of current events in the world, for some reason I do not believe in the possibility of events according to your scenario. Although of course I would be sincerely glad to repay the debt in any way. hi
          2. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 26 December 2015 09: 45 New
            +3
            The head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance, Natalia Yaresko, said that Kiev does not intend to lift the moratorium on the payment of the state debt of Russia, it will act until the issue is resolved by the court, or until Moscow restructures this debt

            In this situation, the court is only at hand for Ukraine: it can take more than one year (this will be taken care of in London), and this is what Kiev needs - not to pay right now. I won’t be surprised if they decide to reduce their debt at this court - and this is almost a restructuring for them, which Kiev is seeking. And then the Ukrainians will again shout about overtaking over Russia.
        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2015 09: 52 New
          0
          Quote: zanoza
          Court ruling in favor of Russia

          I would not be so sure for a court decision
        4. prostorabochiy
          prostorabochiy 26 December 2015 10: 04 New
          +3
          Everything is so, just the opposite.
          The West and the barefoot will just arrange only one option out of three - this is Russia's defeat in the London court. 31.12.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX in Ukraine defaults. This does not require the decision of the courts or any other movements. This is just a fact. After that, any kopeck allocated by anyone in any way automatically should be credited to the Russian account. It is clear that the same thing happens in the case of Russia's victory in court. Another question is whether the Anglo-Saxons will go to put the whole world financial system upside down for the sake of a penny. That is, somehow dodging, depriving Russia of a goat. The entire world holds on to the IMF's debts and the rules for their servicing, while the same amers have case law. Further logic, I think, is understandable ...
        5. atalef
          atalef 26 December 2015 10: 16 New
          +4
          Actually, 3 billion dollars is not such terrible money - Yatsenyuk’s strange tenacity.
          I wonder how Russia will react. On January 1-2, we’ll know in theory.
          If everything goes according to the scenario, like with gas, then I think they will not bother with the court, they will go for restructuring.
          1. prostorabochiy
            prostorabochiy 26 December 2015 11: 20 New
            +2
            The money may not be "so terrible," but it must be taken somewhere. The IMF is not a private shop like the Fed. This organization can be said to be public. This is a kind of "cauldron" in which grandmasters are credited by creditor states according to their fixed share. Fenichka is here in another. The leaders of the list have long consumed more than they earn. And they take this difference, guess where ... Moreover, this difference is growing not by the day, but by the hour. The IMF has long been concerned about the increase in its reserves. But the "leaders" (see reasons above) simply do not have the dough. And the "extras", i.e. “developing countries,” if you can call China, Saudis, (silent for Russia) would be very pleased to spit out money there, but that would mean a redistribution of quotas and, as a consequence, a share of influence. What the Anglo-Saxons categorically do not want. Vicious circle. But today, strangely enough, this state of affairs significantly complicates the “chair” for our Ukrainian brothers and their masters.
      3. Shveps
        Shveps 26 December 2015 09: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: vovanpain
        And we hope .....


        V.V. Putin: "Today we need not politicize, not make loud, empty promises, but help the Ukrainian economy ....
        By the way, Russia is making, has already made a huge contribution to supporting Ukraine. Here I will say it again, our banks have already invested about 25 billion dollars in Ukraine. The Ministry of Finance of Russia issued a loan last year - another three billion. Gazprom credited Ukraine’s economy with 5,5 - even with a discount that no one promised, 4,5 of a billion dollars. Calculate how much it will all be together. This is 32,5 - 33,5 billion dollars just lately. "

        Here is such a big FIG!
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 26 December 2015 09: 59 New
          0
          Who is the main culprit of the debt then?
        2. atalef
          atalef 26 December 2015 10: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Shveps
          By the way, Russia is making, has already made a huge contribution to supporting Ukraine. Here I will say it again, our banks have already invested about 25 billion dollars in Ukraine. The Ministry of Finance of Russia issued a loan last year - another three billion. Gazprom credited Ukraine’s economy with 5,5 - even with a discount that no one promised, 4,5 of a billion dollars. Calculate how much it will all be together. This is 32,5 - 33,5 billion dollars just lately. "

          The victory of Russian diplomacy - where is the money and in whom did they invest?
      4. vic58
        vic58 26 December 2015 11: 08 New
        0
        Tell me, do you feel sorry for people in uk-opia? After all, not everyone there has a second citizenship request
      5. vladimirw
        vladimirw 26 December 2015 12: 17 New
        +1
        I am personally in favor, but in the government we have not Stalin's Commissars, but liberals. Forgive
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 26 December 2015 08: 53 New
      +3
      They forgive when they give cause for this ... In our case, neither Yaresko’s opinion nor Yatsenyuk’s arguments are significant for the London Arbitration Court.

      PS Tsya suvora ukrainian zhinka with a hangover special vvazhaє, scho in Russia rooted? Fucked up ...
      Does this stern Ukrainian woman with a hangover think that Russia owes her a debt? Fucked up ...
      hi
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 26 December 2015 08: 59 New
        +5
        The best way to "beat out debt" in Ukraine is to transfer it to the collectors of Givi and Motorola ... The effect will be real! bully
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 26 December 2015 09: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          The best way to "beat out debt" in Ukraine is to transfer it to the collectors of Givi and Motorola ...

          "Shurik, this is not our method!" (c) It is necessary somehow more civilized. For example, to put this whole quasi-country in a debt hole. Although .. They’re already in such a dark and deep place that you won’t scare them with any pit.
    3. Civil
      Civil 26 December 2015 09: 18 New
      +3
      Why did you give Ukraine a debt at all ?! No one would give either the gopnik Yanuk or the pigpowder Gunpowder!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2015 09: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        Why did you give Ukraine a debt at all ?!

        sorry stupid question, neither you nor I, one of the participants in the discussion knows even one percent about the current situation, and therefore is not able to assess the correctness of certain decisions
        1. Civil
          Civil 26 December 2015 10: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: Civil
          Why did you give Ukraine a debt at all ?!

          sorry stupid question, neither you nor I, one of the participants in the discussion knows even one percent about the current situation, and therefore is not able to assess the correctness of certain decisions

          There is a concept as a crest, and he was never going to return, you don’t ride on our ears here.
          1. vladimirw
            vladimirw 26 December 2015 12: 26 New
            +1
            In general, everything that was given to the ruin was lost, never returned nor what. I am surprised that they did not fall to court in the Russian Federation because, having given money on credit, the Russian Federation sent them to live on credit!
      2. Avantageur
        Avantageur 26 December 2015 10: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Why did you give Ukraine a debt at all ?!

        Money was invested in high-yield government securities, at interest. Anyway, for Ukrainians to sit at home - they didn’t go to the Maidan, and did not arrange a civil war.
        1. Civil
          Civil 26 December 2015 10: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Avantageur
          Quote: Civil
          Why did you give Ukraine a debt at all ?!

          Money was invested in high-yield government securities, at interest. Anyway, for Ukrainians to sit at home - they didn’t go to the Maidan, and did not arrange a civil war.

          Stretching high income does not burn ?!
          1. Avantageur
            Avantageur 26 December 2015 11: 13 New
            0
            Quote: Civil
            Quote: Avantageur
            Quote: Civil
            Why did you give Ukraine a debt at all ?!

            Money was invested in high-yield government securities, at interest. Anyway, for Ukrainians to sit at home - they didn’t go to the Maidan, and did not arrange a civil war.

            Stretching high income does not burn ?!

            We find out at the end of the grace period ...
    4. sgazeev
      sgazeev 26 December 2015 20: 44 New
      0
      Quote: avvg
      Yaresko hopes that the Ukrainian debt, Russia will forgive someday, as it has forgiven debts to the poorest countries in Africa and Asia.
  2. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 26 December 2015 08: 42 New
    +4
    It would be naive to hope that Ukraine agreeing to a restructuring would return for a long time! In this case, judgment and shame are better than slow scam.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 26 December 2015 08: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: dchegrinec
      It would be naive to hope that Ukraine agreeing to a restructuring would return for a long time! In this case, judgment and shame are better than slow scam.

      Nobody will consider our officials as suckers. And it was not they from their own pocket that paid for everything (because they also receive money from the budget and do not produce anything). Those will be suckers, due to which it was all done, and this is us, ordinary people!
  3. kolkulon
    kolkulon 26 December 2015 08: 42 New
    14
    We need news about Ukraine once a week in one review. Same.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 26 December 2015 09: 35 New
      0
      Quote: kolkulon
      We need news about Ukraine once a week in one review. Same.


      And the leading psak with translation from Volodarsky. How are they expanding there, huh? Ultimate stupidity happens, but that's something.
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 26 December 2015 08: 43 New
    +6
    “Ukraine has acted in good faith in the matter of restructuring the debt of the Russian Federation”

    Yes, yes, and they also cross-stitch. Miracle, what a country. yes
  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 December 2015 08: 43 New
    +3
    Either restructuring - or court. Or Shoigu. You already got us dumb dill.
  6. ded100
    ded100 26 December 2015 08: 49 New
    +1
    Well, just a show behind the glass you will sniff the country dill lives without worries ....! laughing
  7. Rigla
    Rigla 26 December 2015 08: 50 New
    +2
    It’s not important to cancel the moratorium or not, since there’s nothing to pay ...
  8. Federal
    Federal 26 December 2015 08: 51 New
    +5
    “Or a court decision, or not a court decision, that is, restructuring”

    How unexpected, but we did not know about it.
  9. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 26 December 2015 08: 53 New
    +6
    Well, they managed to transfer another 3 billion to them then, and not all 15 as they wanted.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 26 December 2015 09: 08 New
      +1
      One of the organizers of the blockade of Crimea, Lenur Islyamov, said that the Ministry of Defense of Turkey began to provide military assistance to the volunteer battalion named after Noman Celebidzhikhan, which is being created in Ukraine, which includes representatives of the Crimean Tatar people. According to him, the main funding so far comes from volunteers, and Ankara is engaged in supplying the unit - in the near future, deliveries of sets of clothes and shoes are expected “On Friday we will receive the first batch of Turkish military uniforms. ... The Turkish Ministry of Defense is already starting to support us. We get 250 sets of uniforms, boots, ”Lenura Islyamova quotes the Odessa Crisis Media Center.
      He noted that 560 people will be registered in the battalion, by January 15 they should be assigned a military unit number. The main task of the formation will be "protection of the Crimean border in the Crimea."
      Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2887304
  10. Putinets
    Putinets 26 December 2015 08: 57 New
    -3
    Listen Putin, it means so, either you dress me up and take me to the Canaries, or I will write a statement to the Bamka-policeman, he will force you to take me to the Canaries
  11. Wolka
    Wolka 26 December 2015 09: 00 New
    +1
    it’s impossible to explain this, it’s a diagnosis
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 26 December 2015 09: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      it’s impossible to explain this, it’s a diagnosis

      Maybe. Between the lines you need to read.
      When Yaresko mentions the “court decision”, she means precisely the decision in favor of Ukraine.
      If Russia wins the court, they will refuse to pay anyway.
      The only thing I did not understand about the "restructuring of the debt of the Russian Federation." Who owes someone? laughing
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 09: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: GRAY
        If Russia wins the court, they will refuse to pay anyway.

        if arbitration wins in the foreseeable future of the Russian Federation in the foreseeable future, then a routine will begin with the imposition of arrests on property in Xoxlak.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2015 09: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          if arbitration wins the Russian Federation in the foreseeable future

          keyword IF
          despite the fact that the court will be essentially highly politicized
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 11: 10 New
            -1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            despite the fact that the court will be essentially highly politicized

            it no longer matters) Yes, and what's the point of politicizing it? With political declarations, the xoxls will be brought to arbitration, we are only interested in the financial side of the issue. However, no one will be surprised at anything - the impartiality of the courts has long been in the past, as well as the basic principles of financial discipline that seemed unshakable)
            Although, the London arbitration observes its reputation) Let's see.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2015 13: 37 New
              -1
              Quote: Zeppelin ml.
              we are only interested in the financial side of the issue.

              what interests us angles to the bulb
              1. Zeppelin ml.
                Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 20: 20 New
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                what interests us angles to the bulb

                and we do not care what
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                to the light bulbs
        2. Felix2
          Felix2 26 December 2015 10: 12 New
          -1
          just the opposite, Ukraine can transfer debt to Yukos shareholders and this is quite realistic
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 26 December 2015 10: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Felix2
            Ukraine may transfer debt to Yukos shareholders and this is quite realistic

            I have never heard of such a thing.
            In addition, the court in the Yukos case in arbitration. Arbitration is essentially not a court, but a group of independent experts called upon to resolve a dispute between the parties. Moreover, both parties must recognize the right of these experts to make a decision, and only then will it become binding.
            Russia did not recognize this right, therefore, the fact that these experts decided has no legal force.
            It is impossible to translate what does not exist in nature.
            1. atalef
              atalef 26 December 2015 10: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Felix2
              Ukraine may transfer debt to Yukos shareholders and this is quite realistic

              This is not real, it's not gang offsets
              Quote: GRAY
              In addition, the court in the Yukos case in arbitration. Arbitration is essentially not a court, but a group of independent experts called upon to resolve a dispute between the parties.

              Arbitration is the same court and its decisions are binding
              Quote: GRAY
              Moreover, both parties must recognize the right of these experts to make a decision and only then will it become binding.

              Participation in the arbitration court as one of the parties - automatically confirms the recognition and legitimization of the court, of each of the parties.
              Agree with me. if you do not recognize the court, then a priori you do not participate in the process
              Quote: GRAY
              Russia did not recognize this right


              No, here you are mistaken. Russia did not recognize the decision of the court - but as you know, from the point of view of jurisprudence - this is not just ridiculous, it is very ridiculous.
              Quote: GRAY
              the fact that these experts decided has no legal force.

              It also has some power.
              In Europe, such tricks do not slip
              The Paris Court of Appeal refused to suspend the decision to seize Russian property in France in the framework of the Yukos case, RIA Novosti reported.

              The judge rejected the request of the Russian Federation to suspend the enforcement in France of the decision of the Hague court, which obliged the country to pay $ 50 billion to the former shareholders of the company Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

              In mid-June, courts in Belgium and France seized Russian assets as part of the enforcement of the Hague court ruling. In particular, in France, accounts of a number of companies and diplomatic missions in the French "daughter" of VTB were arrested.
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 26 December 2015 11: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                No, here you are mistaken. Russia did not recognize the court decision -

                I’m not mistaken. Not a decision, namely the jurisdiction of the court, i.e. this body cannot make a decision, because for this, both parties must recognize its legitimacy.
                Russia does not recognize the jurisdiction of the Arbitration Court in The Hague. So Vladimir Putin commented on the arrest of Russian assets abroad in pursuance of the decision of the Hague court to pay 50 billion euros to former Yukos shareholders.

                “In cases of this kind, the Hague Arbitration Court has jurisdiction only for those countries that have signed and ratified the European Energy Charter. Russia has not ratified this charter, therefore we will not recognize the jurisdiction of this court and will prove it in the established manner through judicial procedures,” - Putin said at a meeting with heads of international news agencies at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.


                Quote: atalef
                It also has some power.
                In Europe, such tricks do not slip

                I kind of gave the definition of arbitration correctly, not verbatim of course, but generally true.
        3. GRAY
          GRAY 26 December 2015 10: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.
          if arbitration wins the Russian Federation in the foreseeable future,

          There will be no arbitration, since Russia insists that the debt is interstate, it will most likely appeal to a court at the UN, which will examine disputes between countries.
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 11: 27 New
            -1
            Quote: GRAY
            at the UN, dealing with disputes between countries.

            fair) well, then PPTS in The Hague)
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  12. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 26 December 2015 09: 02 New
    +5
    It's funny ... Like, give me money, but keep in mind, I won’t give it back ... Are they keeping everyone around as idiots? And now you’re beginning to understand completely how successfully we got out of the 90s pit ... After all, the petunia from a creature very much reminds me of Chubsy, and various other burbulis and Gusinsky with birch ... There would be less liberals in the current government and more or less it will be less normal. hi
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 26 December 2015 09: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      It's funny ... Like, give me money, but keep in mind, I won’t give it back ... Are they keeping everyone around as idiots? And now you’re beginning to understand completely how successfully we got out of the 90s pit ... After all, the petunia from a creature very much reminds me of Chubsy, and various other burbulis and Gusinsky with birch ... There would be less liberals in the current government and more or less it will be less normal. hi


      They just take an example from their teachers. And what, arrogance is the second happiness. And the roof is not frail.
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 26 December 2015 19: 12 New
        0
        and teachers who: probably those who "said I will give means I will give ... tomorrow ... half ... maybe."
  13. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 26 December 2015 09: 11 New
    +1
    Transfer to Donetsk 1 billion $ 20 RESULTS! Without any international courts, etc. ..)))))
  14. tnk1969
    tnk1969 26 December 2015 09: 12 New
    -1
    Maybe it’s time to finally link the return of the state debt with energy supplies to Ukraine. Especially since the window is winter. Let the Europeans steal gas. Then, too, European officials are worried. If the President of Russia addresses the Russians with New Year’s greetings, then let him address the residents of the “zone 404” and the inhabitants of Europe with a “congratulation”. He will describe the situation and warn them that Russia will stop supplying all types of hydrocarbons and energy to Ukraine from the New Year. Until Ukraine repays at least half of its debt, and for the rest, let Mother Europe provide financial guarantees for repayment during the first quarter of next year, that is, until the end of the heating season.
    How long will the authorities of Russia finance the ukrobanda. After all, it turns out that they themselves are financing the genocide of the inhabitants of New Russia. And all the victims are partly on the conscience of the Russian power elite.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 09: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: tnk1969
      Maybe it’s time to finally link the return of the state debt with energy supplies to Ukraine.

      again the same thing. Dear, what does gas and electricity have to do with it? They have nothing to do with debt.
      Quote: tnk1969
      He will outline the situation for them and warn that from the New Year Russia will stop supplying all types of hydrocarbons and energy to Ukraine. Until Ukraine repays at least half of its debt,

      yes this is nonsense. No one will deal with this blackmail.
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 26 December 2015 10: 04 New
      +1
      The fact is that the EU receives gas on the western border of Ukraine at gas measuring points. And if some amount of gas has not passed, even if it was paid for by the EU in advance (as it is now), but stolen in Ukraine, then Gazprom is still liable. Therefore, Gazprom is being tampered with so that Ukraine does not steal, otherwise, losses.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 10: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: kuz363
        Therefore, Gazprom is being tampered with so that Ukraine does not steal, otherwise, losses.

        I do not quite agree. The Xoxlov now has a more intimate relationship with Europe than it did during the Julian Gas Wars. And, I think, gas theft is no longer in trend. The kept woman will not spray European gas, as the EBRD pays for the reverse. In general - another overtake of Yats. He made Europe pay its graters with Gazprom)
    3. Felix2
      Felix2 26 December 2015 10: 23 New
      +2
      Well, as long as you can be so naive, Ukraine itself has stopped buying gas and will not resume until prices are below $ 200, but they said so. Gas is not a subject of blackmail, but a product that needs to be sold and as much as possible. Over 2 years, more than 20% of the European market has been lost.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 10: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Felix2
        Gas is not a subject of blackmail, but a product that needs to be sold and as much as possible. Over 2 years, more than 20% of the European market has been lost.

        all right. Only this is not naivety, but linear thinking. Like the heroine Mordyukova in a diamond hand.
  15. evil partisan
    evil partisan 26 December 2015 09: 14 New
    +1
    The patient chose eftanasia request .
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 26 December 2015 09: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: wicked partisan
      The patient chose ephtanasia ...

      It's time to send the euthanasic basin.
    2. family
      family tree 26 December 2015 21: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: wicked partisan
      Patient chose ephtanasia request

      Ile in kind decided to pay wassat
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 26 December 2015 22: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: perepilka
        decided to pay in kind

        Are you talking about Yareska? what Or about Gontareva ?? belay
        no They can’t stand the test. request Still, to work out 3 billion, it’s not for you to pump $ 100 ...
        Hi lover of nature! drinks
        1. family
          family tree 26 December 2015 23: 07 New
          0
          Quote: wicked partisan
          Hi lover of nature! drinks

          Yurka, in the village, without a reaper. Yes, with work for 12-14 hours. Not standardized with us, as it is, albeit harmful-dangerous request And the whole union, in the ass, at least in a new way, create your own, you yourself know how to spud the flock winked
          And Zhonka, for me two, so amazing, 1
          January on a steam train, on the 2nd I hope I will kiss my beloved, since March I have not seen
        2. family
          family tree 27 December 2015 09: 14 New
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          Quote: wicked partisan
          Are you talking about Yareska? what Or about Gontareva ?? belay

          Homeland will order that one, that the other, for the Slate Keyboard will be rolled, especially if MIHAN is launched, then they will get a decree and repeat
  16. nemec55
    nemec55 26 December 2015 09: 47 New
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    either restructuring or court

    We need to tune in to the fact that we will not see the money.
    Someone thinks that when suing a judge who is judging, to win his trial? Yes, nonsense.
    The whole point is that only geyropeytsy or "partners" can pay for a large puddle. But in this regard, they are clearly not done with a finger. We are still studying and learning their democracy. Only the exceptional ones can beat the whole world.
  17. Warm Padded Jacket
    Warm Padded Jacket 26 December 2015 09: 49 New
    -1
    scared a hedgehog naked oppus)))
  18. bmv04636
    bmv04636 26 December 2015 09: 51 New
    -1
    We will wait a bit and take with a percentage to the Dnieper. laughing
  19. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 26 December 2015 09: 55 New
    0
    Ukrainians are completely insolent, they have accumulated debts, plundered them and then they say, “We won’t repay your debts, and if we are forced to repay, we’ll repay less than we borrowed. and killers.
  20. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 09: 55 New
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    This ... what a country that has no opportunity to return 3 mln. bucks? Why take it then? Yes, and to our counter-why did they give these bones?
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 11: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Yes, and to our counter-why did they give these bones?

      Glazyev personally had to come to Yanukovosch on his fingers (well, I don’t know, maybe on potatoes))) to explain the meaning of the eight-hundred-page integration agreement with the EU. I suspect that Yanyk listened for a long time, struggling with yawning, and in the final on Glazyevskoye “Well, did it come to that?” answered with a question to the question "Nah ... give me some money?" laughing
      1. S_last
        S_last 26 December 2015 17: 26 New
        0
        I think this is a political joke about the stupid Yanukovych and Glazyev’s eyes that opened to him. Yanik just wanted to play the game, who will pay the most, milk the EU and Russia, so to speak. As a result, now sitting without a throne, Russia is without 3 billion, which is a trifle in general compared with the loss of the market.
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 December 2015 11: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      This ... what a country that has no opportunity to return 3 mln. bucks?

      no different from many others forgiven --- 140 billion
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Why take it then?

      wink Weird question
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Yes, and to our counter-why did they give these bones?

      Yanukovych was given - that’s the problem here.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 26 December 2015 12: 46 New
        +1
        Listen, Atalef, here you are always distorting everything (I follow your comments) that you read comments from the Jews on the Communist Party, what's here. I understand, the former homeland, why are you joking all the time over us? We are type in Israel, handsome, and you crap. So?
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 26 December 2015 20: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          you always distort everything

          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          that on KP you read comments from the Jews, what's here.

          why racism? laughing What exactly atalef didn’t say what caused such an emotion?
          Didn’t forgive debts?
          И
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          Why take it then?

          really a strange question. Yats’s rhetoric about the “bribe to Yanukovych” is not so far from the truth, the whole point is the choice of expressions.
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  21. kapitan92
    kapitan92 26 December 2015 10: 09 New
    +5
    [quote = tnk1969] Maybe it’s time to finally link the return of the public debt with energy supplies to Ukraine. Especially since the window is winter. Let the Europeans steal gas. Then, too, European officials are worried. If the President of Russia addresses the Russians with New Year’s greetings, then let him address the residents of the “zone 404” and the inhabitants of Europe with a “congratulation”. He will describe the situation and warn them that Russia will stop supplying all types of hydrocarbons and energy to Ukraine from the New Year. Until Ukraine repays at least half of its debt, and for the rest, let Mother Europe provide financial guarantees for repayment during the first quarter of next year, that is, until the end of the heating season.
    How long will the authorities of Russia finance the ukrobanda. After all, it turns out that they themselves are financing the genocide of the inhabitants of New Russia. And all the victims are partly on the conscience of the Russian power elite. [/ Quote
    Unfortunately, everything is not so simple and transparent. How to link the debt with energy supplies to Ukraine, no way, or rather no way. Options are possible, but only after a court decision, and how long it takes in time is not clear.
    What happens if Ukraine begins to steal gas from Europeans? If I am not mistaken, the precedent was created 2 years ago. Under the current contract for the supply of gas to Europe, Russia "delivers" it on the border of Ukraine and Europe, and all problems with transit should be solved by Russia in accordance with the current agreement. All this allows Ukrainians to behave extremely brazenly and inappropriately.
    In 2014, VTB24 and Sber banks recapitalized their subsidiaries in Ukraine by hundreds of millions of dollars.
    What is this? Where and what are the loans issued by our banks to Ukrainian residents? Grad Kiev and Yuzhmash declared bankrupt and refused to repay Sber loans for 500 million bucks. Miscalculation or calculation?
    Yesterday, Gref announced the reduction of personnel of Sberbank and the closure of part of Dep. Sberbank in Russia in 2016
    Remember the old joke: When one head of the Serpent Gorynych drinks vodka, and then bl @ yut all together.
  22. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 December 2015 10: 29 New
    +1
    until the court resolves this issue, or until Moscow restructures this debt

    When you have nothing to lose, you can also get out. They are so “cool” because they understand that it’s not realistic to repay a debt, and restructuring is all the more unrealistic. It remains to rest against the horn and stand to the last.
    1. Felix2
      Felix2 26 December 2015 10: 44 New
      0
      Russia is a member of the IMF on this and is obliged to seek debt restructuring like the other lenders, everything else is just noodles, for the internal user, and all this will not reach the courts.
      1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
        Great-grandfather of Zeus 26 December 2015 11: 40 New
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        Felix2-This debt is state, and here it should be ukroina to pay it off. And our membership in the IMF and the second strategic mistake.
  23. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 26 December 2015 10: 48 New
    -2
    The bottom line is I think all of this .... bully
  24. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 26 December 2015 11: 50 New
    0
    How can you even interact with ukrams on any issue? They are unhappy with everything, ALWAYS.

    We signed gas contracts, but we will pay - only through the court.
    Borrowed, but give only through the court.
    Introduced duties - to the court through the WTO.
    Reasonably closed the market - threatened with a court.
    Fulfilled the will of the people of Crimea - tried to sue; did not work out.
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  26. Kibl
    Kibl 26 December 2015 11: 58 New
    0
    Russia will definitely lose in court if the court acts on the principle of the Hague international tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. The purchased justice is directly subordinate to the buyer!
  27. iouris
    iouris 26 December 2015 12: 56 New
    0
    What will be the court’s decision if Ukraine is Europe and Europe is the United States?
    Arguments must be made that Ukraine is a “red line”, but not in court, of course.
  28. 23424636
    23424636 26 December 2015 13: 31 New
    0
    how this rattlesnake from the states differs from the thimbles that rolled balls in the 90s the same thieves nature. One thing is surprising at what American-Jewish schools of economics teach - not to repay debts. And for this they receive Nobel Prizes in economics.
  29. Juborg
    Juborg 26 December 2015 13: 57 New
    0
    Quote: avvg
    Yaresko hopes that the Ukrainian debt, Russia will forgive someday, as it has forgiven debts to the poorest countries in Africa and Asia.


    Do you consider Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan the poorest? Well, Cuba, but it’s not enough that we paid external debts for all former parasites, we also forgiven their internal debts. But they still look at Amers mouth.
  30. cergey51046
    cergey51046 26 December 2015 13: 59 New
    +1
    Or the end of Ukraine.
  31. Tummyr
    Tummyr 26 December 2015 15: 15 New
    +1
    I read the comments:
    -Epta Jews and their friends are writing about long gossip, etc.,
    - others are writing about the impossibility of a positive court decision in favor of Russia.

    My State, namely the Russian Federation, has the right to "collect" debts from any territorial entity.
    None of the "ECHR and other scum offices" is a decree.
    The time will come.
    Sorry for the "Jews", but their komenty me personally.
    This state was created at the hands of Stalin, will cease to exist on the hands of __________. But it wakes up a Russian citizen.
    Sorry and sorry again. am
  32. denk20
    denk20 26 December 2015 17: 43 New
    -1
    Quote: Civil
    Why did you give Ukraine a debt at all ?! No one would give either the gopnik Yanuk or the pigpowder Gunpowder!

    Yanukovych at the end of 2013 just had the imprudence to give 5 lard of debt to private borrowers. Received as a result of the activation of the Maidan, by then already silenced. And in 2014 he took only three lard, while signing a mountain of economic agreements.
  33. Leprekon
    Leprekon 26 December 2015 18: 42 New
    0
    The patient wobbles! From such zeal, Ukraine can only either die immediately, or lie still for some time, in the intensive care unit. In practice, until her current "relatives" run out of money to pay for treatment. And then it’s all the same - to the morgue!
  34. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 27 December 2015 04: 13 New
    0
    "crush" our kindness !!! forgiven half the world, and than dill worse than Honduras. If our "earplugs" would forgive personal debts, it would be clear, it is not clear who gave them the right to dispose of state money in this way !!! ???
  35. Rigla
    Rigla 27 December 2015 09: 39 New
    0
    In short, everything must be done so that the Ukrainians would pay the creatures for everything.