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The first RTOs new project 22800 will be part of the fleet in 2017 g

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The first ships of project 22800 “Hurricane” and “Typhoon” will be part of the Russian fleet in 2017 and 2018, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the deputy commander-in-chief of the Navy for armament, Viktor Bursuk.




“The small rocket ships of the new project will be laid on December 24 at the St. Petersburg shipbuilding enterprise Pella,” the vice admiral said.

According to him, “in the near future, more than a dozen ships of a new project, developed in St. Petersburg by the Almaz Central Maritime Design Bureau, will be built at various enterprises.”

Bursuk explained that "small ocean-class corvettes have a displacement of 800 tons, capable of speeding up the order of 30 nodes and autonomously performing combat missions at a distance of 3 thousands of miles from the base."

“Among the advantages of these ships is high maneuverability, increased seaworthiness, as well as the architecture of superstructures and hulls, made using stealth technology,” he noted.

The ships will be equipped with domestic engines, their armament will be composed of Caliber-NK cruise missiles and modern artillery mounts.

As previously reported by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Viktor Chirkov, in total “no less than 18 small rocket ships of the 22800 project are planned to be built”.
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  1. polite people
    polite people 24 December 2015 13: 08 New
    -5
    It’s expensive to see the greatness of the Russian fleet.
    1. little girl15
      little girl15 24 December 2015 13: 21 New
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      The little ones are so angry ... Even the mattress covers are dumbfounded ...
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 24 December 2015 14: 30 New
        +4
        It’s expensive to see the greatness of the Russian fleet.
        The little ones are so angry ... Even the mattress covers are dumbfounded ...
        The ships will be equipped with domestic engines, their armament will be composed of Caliber-NK cruise missiles and modern artillery mounts.

        As previously reported by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Viktor Chirkov, in total “no less than 18 small rocket ships of the 22800 project are planned to be built”. drinks good hi
        1. Vorobey-1
          Vorobey-1 24 December 2015 17: 14 New
          +5
          Good day to all. Judging by the performance characteristics and the image, there is one module Caliber (8 missiles), I am always tormented by the question: what prevents the installation of more missiles and other weapons on our ships? Looking at this RTO, you can probably extend the superstructure towards the stern and install another module (+ 8 rocket).
          1. opus
            opus 24 December 2015 22: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Vorobey-1
            Caliber (8 missiles), I am always tormented by the question: what prevents the installation of more missiles and other weapons on our ships?



            Quote: Author
            have a displacement 800 tons







            Launcher (PU) vertical launch 3C-14E
            Weight, kg 14700 (mod1) 17500 (mod.2)



            Where to put something?

            Yes you wait!
          2. alecsis69
            alecsis69 25 December 2015 02: 52 New
            0
            Although I am an amateur in shipbuilding, I can say that you can’t just take and extend the ship. It's all about proportions. With an arbitrary change in the length of the hull, problems arise with stability, pitching, longitudinal stiffness of the hull and God knows what.
          3. Baloo
            Baloo 27 December 2015 19: 40 New
            0
            I have a civilian and taxpayer questions: the purpose of this ship? Suppose at one o'clock he will release his calibers at the enemy. He was spotted, the enemy sent an otvetka. Is the ship able to protect itself from an air-sea, sea-sea rocket from any direction in any quantity?
            And then a question for fans of large ships: a large ship is a big target, a small one is a smaller target. Two targets for destruction require more. Again, profitability. Apparently this ship for patrol and escort? Those. in a real naval battle, his life will not be very long. Whatever the warship is big-small, it must first of all have absolute survivability and the ability to repel an attack from the air, from the water and from torpedoes. I am for such ships. Or do I not understand the constructive criticism of the project at all? hi
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 December 2015 15: 21 New
        +7
        Quote: Vovochka15
        .Even mattresses were dumbfounded

        In advance? In general, this will be news when at least the first one is built, and now rejoice in what will happen (?) In 2017, as it is premature. hi
        1. little girl15
          little girl15 24 December 2015 18: 43 New
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          Bayonet (5) RU Today, 15:21 PM ↑ New
          Quote: Vovochka15
          .Even mattresses were dumbfounded
          In advance? In general, this will be news when at least the first one is built, and now rejoice in what will happen (?) In 2017, as it is premature. hi

          Actually, this is the development of Buyana-M. But the NATO bloc and even the mattresses do not have such armed cruise missiles.
          1. alecsis69
            alecsis69 25 December 2015 02: 55 New
            +1
            Actually, this project has nothing to do with Buyan other than the number of Caliber. "Buyan" ship of the river-sea class, and this is an oceanic class. They have completely different seaworthiness.
    2. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 13: 31 New
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      What?????????????????????????????

      What other greatness ???????????????????

      Our fleet to greatness as from my city to China, in a known pose!
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 24 December 2015 13: 40 New
        +5
        In the surface component of greatness there really isn’t, but there are all chances for submarines. In principle, the surface fleet of the USSR would not have a chance against NATO either, but they were afraid of submarines, as now.
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 13: 51 New
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          Not afraid, not a bit and not at all

          We have multipurpose Shchuk-B, of which 11 pieces are available at sea can now go 2, 2 from 6 to the SF and 0 from 5 to the Pacific Fleet. For the Kuzbass repair is not yet completed and will be transferred only next year.

          With Antey more or less 2 from 3 to the SF, 3 from 5 to the Pacific Fleet, 1 VTG finished last year.

          With the Titanics, the layout is also more or less 1 945А and 1 945 on the go.

          + 1 Ash, + 2 of the old project 671РТМК, which unfortunately is of little use.

          Total 12 pieces

          This is all that we can oppose asasayu

          You would be afraid of it in their place, having 39 Los Angeles of which approx. 2 / 3 are in combat condition, having 3 Sea Wolf and 12 Virginia, of which almost everyone is in combat condition.

          And that's not counting the atomic ships of the Britons and the Farsians

          And also regularly at least 1 are on duty on our shores, and usually a few of their boats on the SF and Pacific Fleet.CONSTANTLY, NOW WHEN I WRITE IT AND YOU READ IT

          If you want to parry my answer, like, they say, we still have DEPL!

          Ok, google and see how many of them are on each theater of war of our potential enemies, and what they are. Terrify even more than with the layout of the PLA.

          Do not be afraid of us, it’s obvious perfectly.

          And our fleet in its current state is such a pale shadow, compared to what it was at the dawn of the USSR.
          1. amba balamut 77
            amba balamut 77 24 December 2015 14: 20 New
            +4
            Everything is right, sir, we had Bichivinka in the 90s stolen, Varshovyanka left in Primorye. According to the nuclear submarines, the same is not good, many have been hijacked for repairs.
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          3. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 24 December 2015 14: 44 New
            +9
            Quote: Anton Gavrilov
            Do not be afraid of us, it’s obvious perfectly.

            The fleet is not afraid, but the Strategic Missile Forces are very much afraid. In order to neutralize our land-based strategic nuclear weapons, the Euro-missile defense program and the concept of a "quick global strike" are being implemented
            Quote: Anton Gavrilov
            our fleet in its current state is such a pale shadow, compared to what it was at the dawn of the USSR.

            Our fleet, in better times, was not comparable with the American. The development doctrine and fleet deployment strategy is different - Russia has never been an ocean power, unlike the United States. No need to compare the warm with the soft.
            1. Atrix
              Atrix 24 December 2015 17: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Russia is never an ocean power, unlike the United States.

              Russia, as it were, is an ocean power, but there’s no fleet that could challenge the United States
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 24 December 2015 18: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: Atrix
                Russia, as it were, is an ocean power, but there’s no fleet that could challenge the United States

                What nafig ocean? Free access is only to the Arctic Ocean, which has no strategic significance. For CSF, reaching the operational space in the Atlantic is an impossible task. Ask, what about CTOF? Yes, even when he entered the Sea of ​​Japan, the 7th US fleet covered like a bull a sheep. DKBF and KChF - fleets of inland seas. In the case of a large boom, they will be locked in their bases, as in the last war. Are there any other questions?
          4. kapitan92
            kapitan92 24 December 2015 15: 18 New
            +9
            ..... And our fleet in its current state is such a pale shadow, compared with what was at the dawn of the USSR ......
            I’m sure that you didn’t open “America”!
            I would add: The protection of the water areas of our naval bases at an extremely deplorable level, serious delays in mine-torpedo armaments, still the main torpedo is 53-65k, designed in the distant USSR (range of only 15 km).
            Nevertheless, the project 22800 is promising and necessary for our fleet.
            By the way, I listened to the Guarantor today, he has no serious complaints against the cabinet of ministers: import substitution has almost been frustrated, enterprises without working capital, prices are rising by leaps and bounds.
            All this raises doubts about the commissioning of 2017-2018.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 27 December 2015 11: 04 New
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              Quote: kapitan92
              the main torpedo is 53-65k, designed in the distant USSR. (range of only 15 km)

              Now we are moving to a new one with a range of 50 km
          5. gleb0606
            gleb0606 24 December 2015 15: 22 New
            +2
            Well, if we take, for example, according to the ARPKSN, then almost from the USA, our parity is 12 to 14. " The Russian fleet is weaker than the US fleet, it’s obvious, but there aren’t only one great fleet in the world, and the Russian fleet is now in second place.
            1. kote119
              kote119 24 December 2015 15: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: gleb0606
              ARPKSN

              and where do you get these abbreviations?
              1. gleb0606
                gleb0606 24 December 2015 16: 08 New
                +3
                I apologize, I was mistaken, had in mind the SSBN
          6. 11 black
            11 black 24 December 2015 16: 28 New
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            Quote: Anton Gavrilov
            If you want to parry my answer, like, they say, we still have DEPL!

            Ok, google and see how many of them are on each theater of war of our potential enemies, and what they are. Terrify even more than with the layout of the PLA.

            Well, why google - since you write, then write to the end, if you can’t finish writing, don’t write at all.
            the USA has no DEPL (NPL according to the new classification) at all, France has only “Scorpions” which are exported only to Brazil and India and of which only 5 pieces are built + scorpions are inferior to our 636.3 in noise, they have no ability to shoot winged missiles from TA nor actually torpedoes comparable to our Physicist.
            The Germans have a project 212 / 214 - a serious competitor to our 636.3 and in the future Lada, all built 11 boats again for export. + Three Dolphin class boats built for Israel.
            The Japanese have 10 Litter boats inferior to our 636.3 in noise.
            Russia has:
            The 636.3 - 4 project has been accepted by the fleet, two more fleets are preparing to accept in the 16 year. to the Black Sea theater - this will make Russia a leader in this theater.
            Baltic Fleet - two 877 submarines in service.
            Northern Fleet - 6 NAPL 877 in service + 1 Lada in trial operation.
            The second Lada B-586 will be accepted by the Federation Council until the 2017 of the year, in total the 9 NPL of the Lada project has been ordered - attention, it is planned to equip the frets with an oxygen-independent power plant, which will allow them to compare in autonomy with nuclear submarines, and in terms of noise, completely defeat the latter (Lada always will discover the nuclear submarine first, and only the Physicist will get it)
            Pacific Fleet - 8 NAPL 877 in the ranks.
            In total, we have that for NAPL, Russia is at least not bad at all.
            1. Anton Gavrilov
              Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 17: 29 New
              +2
              can not finish do not write at all


              Do you hear, wise guy, I can justify all my words anyway.

              For reference, the 636 project is the 3-5 generation of NAPL, Scorpene, Soryu, the 214 type is the 4-generation of NAPL.

              They significantly surpass the 636 and 877 projects in terms of determining parameters - in stealth and detection range


              Uncle, do you even know what the 677 project is all about? This is generally a complete GU, which the fleet still refuses to accept for regular operation. He takes the haste when I remember that I sometimes had to listen to her.

              With NAPL we have a whole ass.

              The main problem is that we do not have a VNEU, and tests in the experimental compartment, which will be manufactured by Vyborg according to the latest solutions, will go in serial production at best in the 20 area.

              And since we hinted about the balance of power then.

              In the near future, the Black Sea Fleet will have 1 sub-projects of the 877,6 project of the 636.3 project

              The Turks 14 NAPL type 209, the Italians 4 type Sauro, and 2 German type 212, some of the best in the world by the way. The Greeks 8 NAPL type 209, + began to receive the latest NAPL type 214, the Spaniards 3 Agosta + 1 S-80 , the Israelites 4 Dolphin.

              Shaw, a good deal in our favor?

              In the north, the Norwegians 6 Ull, that's just where the enemy PLA will also operate.

              In the east, the Japanese have 10 submarines of the Oyashio type, 6 the latest type of Soryu + South Korea's 9 submarines of the 209 type.

              In the Baltic, the Germans have 6 NPL type 212, + Danes with Poles have outdated boats

              The fact is that with NAPL we have a terrible situation, and it’s frankly stupid to go in for hiding by going.
              1. 11 black
                11 black 24 December 2015 18: 54 New
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                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                Do you hear, wise guy

                Firstly, I have no hearing problems. Secondly, you are not talking to an alcoholic while drinking.
                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                Do you even know what the 677 project is?

                I have a great idea
                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                This is generally a complete GU, which the fleet still refuses to accept for regular operation.

                I fundamentally disagree
                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                The main problem is that we do not have a VNEU, and tests in the experimental compartment, which will be manufactured by Vyborg according to the latest solutions, will go in serial production at best in the 20 area.

                Again, I see no reason for such pessimism - they will accept it earlier, 20 is the worst option, do not distort
                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                The Turks 14 NAPL type 209

                Which, I repeat, are significantly inferior to our Varshavyanks, the 209 project in Turkey is 8 of old boats 70x - 80x years of construction and I recognize 4 new submarines - but with what they will attack - the physicist has a launch range of 50 km, they have nothing like that
                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                and 2 German type 212, some of the best in the world by the way

                I respect both 212 and 214, really good boats and a very dangerous opponent
                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                Shaw, a good deal in our favor?

                You did not hear me
                Quote: 11 black
                In total, we have that for NAPL, Russia is at least not bad at all.

                I said that everything is fine with us, the 7 submarines, six of which are new-built with excellent torpedoes, for the Black Sea Fleet this is not bad, but not good, but not bad either.

                Quote: Anton Gavrilov
                The fact is that with NAPL we have a terrible situation, and it’s frankly stupid to go in for hiding by going.

                First, no one does it. Secondly, here our opinions differ again - I agree, the situation is difficult, but not awful.
          7. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 24 December 2015 17: 47 New
            +5
            Speak the truth !!! And now, the obsessive Indians will seize themselves and bend their fingers. 971th leasing, two diesels "Varshavyanka" buy, three surface. I’m silent about the S-400. And they will persuade our dignitaries, very stupid. Show them the dollars, and they will jump from the coils. And many clappers, including those in VO, will sing the ODEs to ingenious leaders and praise the “successful” deal. And no candy wrappers can replace real equipment, resources and time !!! But is it if we have this time ??? To restore, at the expense of the Indians, RTMK from the sump, or even better, RTM with the completion of the project and leasing not for ten, but for 7-8 years. This approach will be much more logical.
          8. Finntroll
            Finntroll 24 December 2015 19: 42 New
            +3
            Well, break, do not build. Everything has its time. It is impossible to return with a click of your fingers, THAT is greatness. The USSR has been building its flo for decades
          9. Inok10
            Inok10 24 December 2015 22: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: Anton Gavrilov
            We have multipurpose Shchuk-B, of which 11 pieces are available in the sea, now 2, 2 out of 6 in the Northern Fleet and 0 out of 5 in the Pacific Fleet can go out. For in the Kuzbass the repair has not yet been completed and it will be transferred only in the next year.

            ... Antoshka, Antoshka go dig potatoes (the letter Щ is inserted intentionally) laughing .. sources of information in the studio !! .. same to me, Massovik-Zateynik !!!!! ..
            1. guzik007
              guzik007 26 December 2015 09: 02 New
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              ABOUT! my favorite pop number! the warriors started throwing boots at each other! Right now I run for popcorn and get comfortable ...
        2. Finntroll
          Finntroll 24 December 2015 19: 39 New
          +2
          Wait will be greatness. Now until 2020, the main thing is to restore the "small" fleet to protect borders and the economic zone. what is the use of two missile cruisers (how many will build them, who will guard (escort) them at sea, etc., etc.) that can be built instead of a dozen RTOs when we have “mice” under our nose ( poachers and other abomination) climb insolent? It’s not Varyag and Moscow to drive them. Pay attention to our trip to the BDK cruisers .... and this is a complete dupa. You always need to start small.
      2. mag nit
        mag nit 24 December 2015 13: 55 New
        -4
        Your pose to the Russian fleet has nothing to do.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 24 December 2015 14: 00 New
          +1
          Your pose to the Russian fleet has nothing to do.

          Well yeah man in such a the pose does not bend at all no
      3. theadenter
        theadenter 24 December 2015 14: 05 New
        +1
        It depends on what is called greatness. If the best in the world - then this is a stupid mistake.
        If in the top ten - this is true.
      4. RUSIVAN
        RUSIVAN 24 December 2015 14: 11 New
        -1
        Then your garden is somewhere on the border with China ... but what exactly did our fleet not like ???
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 24 December 2015 15: 11 New
          +1
          And it is almost gone!
          1. RUSIVAN
            RUSIVAN 24 December 2015 20: 13 New
            0
            And do you consider the absence of a fleet as a quantitative or qualitative composition?
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      5. hrapon
        hrapon 24 December 2015 15: 42 New
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        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        What?????????????????????????????

        What other greatness ???????????????????

        Our fleet to greatness as from my city to China, in a known pose!



        The greatness of our Fleet is captured (forever) in the sailors of our sailors - Gangut, Chesma, Sinop.

        When traveling in the indicated position in your chosen direction, think about what the true greatness of the Navy is - in the number of ship personnel or in history and traditions.

        Stripes have the largest fleet. And what victories can they boast of? Battle of the Great Lakes? Battles for Guadalcanal or Midway Atoll?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 December 2015 16: 59 New
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          Quote: hrapon
          When traveling in the indicated position in your chosen direction, think about what the true greatness of the Navy is - in the number of ship personnel or in history and traditions.

          Excuse me, are you going to compare US and Russian fleets by THIS criterion? It’s possible, but why? The history of battles of US sailing ships is relatively small, because the US Navy itself is a relatively recent phenomenon (like the country itself, by the way). At the same time, the United States has much to be proud of in the era of sail. But then the era of steam came ... The Americans were the first to use armored ships in battle, he defeated the Spanish fleet in several battles, and in World War II it was the United States that launched an unprecedented war in the Pacific Ocean. The scale of American naval battles far exceeds the naval battles of the rest of the world. And I do not understand your irony about the fights at Guadakanal and Midway. But there were battles in the Coral Sea, and the battle of Leyte, at the Mariana Islands ...
          And what can our marine history counterpose to this? Only one thing is the almost flawless actions of our Black Sea fleet in the First World War, which (in general, for reasons beyond the control of the Black Sea) did not result in loud naval victories.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 December 2015 16: 59 New
          -1
          Quote: hrapon
          When traveling in the indicated position in your chosen direction, think about what the true greatness of the Navy is - in the number of ship personnel or in history and traditions.

          Excuse me, are you going to compare US and Russian fleets by THIS criterion? It’s possible, but why? The history of battles of US sailing ships is relatively small, because the US Navy itself is a relatively recent phenomenon (like the country itself, by the way). At the same time, the United States has much to be proud of in the era of sail. But then the era of steam came ... The Americans were the first to use armored ships in battle, he defeated the Spanish fleet in several battles, and in World War II it was the United States that launched an unprecedented war in the Pacific Ocean. The scale of American naval battles far exceeds the naval battles of the rest of the world. And I do not understand your irony about the fights at Guadakanal and Midway. But there were battles in the Coral Sea, and the battle of Leyte, at the Mariana Islands ...
          And what can our marine history counterpose to this? Only one thing is the almost flawless actions of our Black Sea fleet in the First World War, which (in general, for reasons beyond the control of the Black Sea) did not result in loud naval victories.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 27 December 2015 11: 09 New
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            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            he defeated the Spanish fleet in several battles

            Well, by that time, the Spanish fleet, like the Spanish army, was a rather weak enemy. As a matter of fact, this has been since the time of Louis 14.
    3. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 14: 27 New
      22
      Then your garden is somewhere on the border with China ... but what exactly did our fleet not like ???


      Are you here that all the brains of propoganda with a TV washed completely?

      Everyone also spoke Russian-Japanese, a small victorious war, some small narrow-eyed ones somewhere in the east.

      And they took in broke us so that the fleet lost the status of one of the strongest in the world on 70 years. And in my opinion we suffered from them the most most shameful defeat in our history.

      And all due to the fact that at the same time we had all the people thinking like that, we are strong, we’ll break everyone down and so on.

      The assertion that our ph is now strong is a blatant stupid lie that has been stolen by a large part of the population. And what our government uses with the appropriate circles.

      And a lie is an incredibly dangerous thing - it calms, and be calm with our photo IT IS IMPOSSIBLE ANY ABSOLUTELY, given the star in a number of things that is going on there.

      After I learned some things, I almost slept with open eyes for 3 days with thoughts — well, how could one come to this?
      1. amba balamut 77
        amba balamut 77 24 December 2015 14: 52 New
        +2
        What do you want Anton? We have sailors, but no fleet, meaning modern, strong, balanced. The vast majority of inhabitants are purely land crabs. And this is not an insult (insult - black oil land), it is a fact. And in the government we have moremen, finally horror ...
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 15: 25 New
          +4
          What do you want Anton


          I want our photo to revive, and again represent a significant force on all the theater, to which he has a way, and in which we have interests!

          And so that at last everything began to be done in it as it should. But not because for the most part now through 1 is a bad place ...

          In the government of the Moreman, the campaign is not at all alas ... Although they would have been very out of place there.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 December 2015 21: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: amba balamut 77
          The vast majority of inhabitants are purely land crabs.

          Yes sir! But many land crabs (like me, for example) really want Russia to have a strong and balanced fleet :)))
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      3. kapitan92
        kapitan92 24 December 2015 16: 38 New
        +7
        In the subject of the Russian-Japanese war. In the 70's I read a wonderful work: the author of Novikov-Priboy "Tsushima". The author of the work sailed a battalion on the battleship "Eagle".
        This work was no longer reprinted. Recommend!
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 24 December 2015 18: 46 New
          +3
          Hi Of course, this book is interesting, but you need to read tedious reports and all sorts of life coming out for them sailors. Be sure to read the enemy. To honor, they treated the prisoners very courteously. This, in principle, is the world's last respect for prisoners. A year later, in another country, everyone will recognize the interesting construction of the Concentration Camp and the oldest DEMOCRATES in the world of Brita will put their hand to its creation.
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 December 2015 21: 39 New
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          Quote: kapitan92
          In the 70s he read a wonderful work: the author of Novikov-Priboy "Tsushima".

          Do you like science fiction? :))
          1. avt
            avt 24 December 2015 22: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Do you like science fiction? :))

            no Rather, fiction. But it is necessary to start somewhere, another thing if Novikov-Priboy and Pikul all ends, well, really nails, and there is no desire to delve deeper already with archival documents and articles based on them, but not fiction. Then - trouble-ah-ah-ah!
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        4. Things
          Things 26 December 2015 12: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: kapitan92
          read a beautiful work: author Novikov-Priboy "Tsushima". The author of the work sailed a battalion on an armadillo. I recommend it!

          Great book!
          I read it at school age, but I still remember the main content.
      4. trantor
        trantor 24 December 2015 16: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        And all due to the fact that at the same time we had all the people thinking like that, we are strong, we’ll break everyone down and so on.

        PEOPLE can think whatever. It is more important that the situation in the General Staff is soberly assessed and communicated to management without equivocation. That's about how you are now.
      5. xtur
        xtur 25 December 2015 10: 46 New
        +1
        > In Russian-Japanese, too, everyone said, a small victorious war, some small narrow-eyed ones out there somewhere in the east.

        you brother noble Troll with a good support team, judging by the rating of the nonsense that you carry about it

        The Republic of Ingushetia fell apart 12 years after this war as a result of the betrayal of the leadership of the General Staff by the leadership of the country. So in the General Staff, rot was much earlier. A country that disappears after 12 years, does not win such a war 12 years before its disappearance, this is quite obvious - and another sign of the country's collapse is the revolution of 1905 - and another reason that the emperor decided to postpone the destruction of Japan until the domestic political situation straightens out ( by the end of this war, the Japanese had almost exhausted human resources to continue the war).
        I will not explain to you the reasons for the situation in the country then, I will not feed the horse

        The Japanese at that time were financed by Britain, in addition to this, they were provided with technology and the ships themselves built. So the war was not with little Japan, but with quite a Britain - and the result is quite appropriate for the Russian fleet.
      6. Things
        Things 26 December 2015 12: 28 New
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        Quote: Anton Gavrilov

        Everyone also spoke Russian-Japanese, a small victorious war, some small narrow-eyed ones somewhere in the east.
        And they took in broke us so that the fleet lost the status of one of the strongest in the world on 70 years. And in my opinion we suffered from them the most most shameful defeat in our history.
        And all because

        If we turn to the history and evidence of eyewitnesses, the Russian squadron in that very battle at Tsushima was defeated not because of the qualitatively-quantitative condition of the ships and weapons, but mainly because of the mistakes of Rozhdestvensky (commander) and poor preparation of the Russian commandos (gunners) .

        "... The situation in the Russian fleet at the beginning of the XNUMXth century was such that it would be simply surprising if Russia won under Tsushima.
        The victory of the Japanese at Tsushima was not due at all to their numerical superiority - the forces of the sides were equal, and the Russians even had a significant superiority over the armadillos over the Japanese.
        The Japanese victory cannot be explained by the qualitative superiority of their naval artillery shells - although the "shimoza", that is, high-explosive shells filled with melinite, produced more fragments during the explosion and a stronger blast wave, Russian shells certainly exceeded them in armor penetration.
        The problem was different - Russian shells, as a rule, did not hit the target! For the simple reason that Russian commandos (naval gunners) simply did not know how to shoot accurately!
        When the Russian squadron (in fact it was the whole Baltic Fleet in full force) under the command of Admiral Z.P. Rozhdestvensky sailed to the Far East, to help the besieged Port Arthur, the fleet command simply did not take care to train ship gunners with marksmanship!
        Admiral Heihatiro Togo, commander of the Japanese fleet, knew perfectly well about Ushakov’s tactics, and he defeated the Russian fleet during the Tsushima battle precisely according to the method of Ushakov "Japanese ships circled the front of the Russian squadron, and by sequential concentration of fire they shot one ship after another."
        (C)

        Based on the available data, the actual rate of fire of the guns and the number of shells fired by Russian ships almost doubled that of the Japanese.
        Accordingly, if all or most of the Russian shells hit the intended targets, the outcome of the battle would be completely different ...
        The Soviet (and subsequently) Russian naval command must have carried out analytical and tactical studies of Tsushima errors and the training of personnel, officers and naval artillery men is now completely different.
        In addition, at that time, the fact that the Russian squadron had practically no logistics and repair facilities, in contrast to the Japanese, played in favor of the Japanese ...
        The sloppiness of command is the main reason for the defeat, and not the weak Russian fleet at all.
        Here the reasons for the defeat are described very well, briefly and essentially:
        http://tsushima.su/RU/libru/i/Page_7/page_18/page_19/Page_32/kofman-analiz/
        http://www.zaxodi-v-internet.ru/tsusima.html
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 24 December 2015 15: 13 New
      +4
      The Pella is growing ...
      This, if anything, has never been USC, but almost LLC ..
      The boats bake like pies, and interestingly, Pella has more and more in size each time ...


      clickable.
      1. Art
        Art 24 December 2015 15: 38 New
        +2
        And how do they differ from the project 21631 Buyan-mr? sort of one class ships
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 24 December 2015 16: 40 New
          +3
          And how do they differ from the project 21631 Buyan-mr? sort of one class ships

          In terms of armament, almost nothing. Both there and there: 8xUKSK for Caliber and Onyx, art.installation 100mm A-190. The composition of the anti-aircraft defense is slightly different: on 21631 there are two Bending (who only did not wing them) and one Blowing (twin AK-630); at 22800 all this was replaced by one ZRAK Pantsir-M. Well, I won’t say anything about the radar, electronic warfare and other electronics (I’ll show myself better clever).

          Well, and so, in general: 22800 is more "frost-resistant", has better seaworthiness, the speed is slightly higher. Everything seems hi
          1. Denis Obukhov
            Denis Obukhov 24 December 2015 16: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Wiruz
            And how do they differ from the project 21631 Buyan-mr? sort of one class ships

            In terms of armament, almost nothing. Both there and there: 8xUKSK for Caliber and Onyx, art.installation 100mm A-190. The composition of the anti-aircraft defense is slightly different: on 21631 there are two Bending (who only did not wing them) and one Blowing (twin AK-630); at 22800 all this was replaced by one ZRAK Pantsir-M. Well, I won’t say anything about the radar, electronic warfare and other electronics (I’ll show myself better clever).

            Well, and so, in general: 22800 is more "frost-resistant", has better seaworthiness, the speed is slightly higher. Everything seems hi



            Art.installation there 76
            maybe there will be "Pantsyr-M" I really hope.

            Moreover, this has already happened.

            Otherwise, the meaning of the transition from 21631 to this boat is not clear at all ..
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 27 December 2015 11: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Denis Obukhov
              Otherwise, the meaning of the transition from 21631 to this boat is not clear at all ..

              there seaworthiness and again seaworthiness compared to the buoys .... well, and air defense shell is already something ...
          2. Inok10
            Inok10 24 December 2015 22: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: Wiruz
            Well, and so, in general: 22800 is more "frost-resistant", has better seaworthiness, the speed is slightly higher. Everything seems

            .. 22800 is fundamentally different from "Buyana-M" in the first place by the contours of the hull .. completely different seaworthiness .. it's not a river-sea punt .. hi
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 December 2015 20: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        This, if anything, has never been USC, but almost LLC ..

        The order for the construction of small corvettes 22800 could be received by the Severnaya Verf shipyard, which is part of the USC, but in the end it went to a private shipyard owned by the management, including Pella's general director Herbert Tsaturov. According to Kommersant’s deputy general director Sergey Pokhchik, an order for the construction of the series’s ships was received in accordance with a decree of the Government of the Russian Federation on obtaining the company the status of a single supplier.
        Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2884142
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 24 December 2015 15: 25 New
      +1
      How can a small missile ship with short-range air defense replace a frigate with more than two dozen medium-range Redoubt launchers? About the water displacement in 800 tons at RTOs and more than 3,5 thousand tons at a guard (frigate), I generally am silent. If he said that he would replace Buyan M of the 21631 project, I would understand. This makes no sense.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 24 December 2015 15: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        How can a small missile ship with short-range air defense replace a frigate with more than two dozen medium-range Redoubt launchers? About the water displacement in 800 tons at RTOs and more than 3,5 thousand tons at a guard (frigate), I generally am silent. If he said that he would replace Buyan M of the 21631 project, I would understand. This makes no sense.

        Well.........:
        1) it is better to have an 5 MPK than an 1 frigate.
        2) it is more difficult to destroy 5 small ships than 1 large.
        3) Basically, the same c-400 or c-300 will not be difficult to cover these ships, because basically they do not need to go far from the coast to release calibers.

        Saving and efficiency.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 24 December 2015 16: 52 New
          +7
          1) it is better to have an 5 MPK than an 1 frigate.

          Why do you need a car? Buy 5 bikes!

          harder to destroy 5 small ships than 1 large.

          How to say? ... Once at a time it is not necessary. The more serious the ship, the stronger the air defense.

          Basically, the same s-400 or s-300 will not be difficult to cover these ships, because basically they do not need to go far from the coast in order to release calibers.

          Basically - mostly. We have got out there, poor RTOs even went to Syria because of the patrol officers in the Black Sea Fleet

          Well, and most importantly: how will these RTOs perform the functions of PLO?
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 December 2015 21: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          it is better to have 5 RTOs than 1 frigate.

          Better yet, have 1 aircraft carrier than two frigates. Just what is the point of this statement? Or do you seriously believe that 5 RTOs will cost as one frigate? :)))
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Basically, the same s-400 or s-300 is not difficult to cover these ships

          Generally impossible.
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      2. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 December 2015 16: 44 New
        +1
        How can a small missile ship with short-range air defense replace a frigate with more than two dozen medium-range Redoubt launchers? About the water displacement in 800 tons at RTOs and more than 3,5 thousand tons at a guard (frigate), I generally am silent. If he said that he would replace Buyan M of the 21631 project, I would understand. This makes no sense.

        Well no. MRK we need, oh how are needed. It’s just that our Commander-in-Chief (God grant him a new place of work) once blurted out, they say, we will replace the frigates with small missile ones. And away we go ....
        laughing
      3. alecsis69
        alecsis69 25 December 2015 03: 06 New
        0
        I understand that we are not talking about a replacement. Since the frigates got into a hitch because of the engines, they decided to quickly build several small ships, but with powerful strike weapons. After all, we cannot accept the use of land-based medium-range missiles, and nothing about the ship’s is written in the contract.
      4. Dart2027
        Dart2027 27 December 2015 11: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        How a small missile ship with short-range air defense can replace a frigate

        Do we have engines for frigates? That's it. It is necessary to build, what can be built right now, because absolutely everything is needed, and there we continue the frigates.
    6. paxil
      paxil 24 December 2015 16: 57 New
      0
      Quote: polite people
      It’s expensive to see the greatness of the Russian fleet.

      Well, people like you trolls zaminus, probably a ganitik came ovskie drank and fight laughing
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 27 December 2015 08: 48 New
        0
        I can’t understand: will these RTOs replace corvettes? But these are ships of completely different classes! Here is the corvette - a truly combat ship, designed for anti-ship naval combat ... And the MRK is just a medium-range floating battery.
  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 13 New
    19
    They should replace the MRK project 21631.


    Not a shift, but in addition. Buyan-M is completely satisfied with the Navy. However, as far as I know, it is simply not intended for "cold" waters. Its habitat is the Caspian and the Black Sea. 22800 will be built for the Baltic, Pacific and, possibly, Northern Fleets.
    hi
    1. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 24 December 2015 13: 17 New
      +2
      If things go well with 22800, I think that the Buyans will all go to the Caspian Sea in the future. "Buyan" river-sea is what is written on the Caspian.
      1. DarkMatter
        DarkMatter 24 December 2015 14: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: Vladimir
        If things go well with 22800, I think that the Buyans will all go to the Caspian Sea in the future. "Buyan" river-sea is what is written on the Caspian.

        Well, Zelenodoltsy will finish the rest and get 9 Buyanov, too much I think for the Caspian what
        And so Pella, of course, well done. They will bake like pies, pah pah. And then Zelenodoltsy will connect, and they will also start riveting like Buyans, maybe we’ll quickly update the MRK.
        And then here the people are as usual: “Give me the leader, I want an aircraft carrier, Death Star for the New Year, otherwise I’m going to build some RTOs, why ?!”
        And then that they, too, are already all old and will crumble soon, while the leaders of these 10 years of the first will be built by the relatives to protect their shores or not?
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 24 December 2015 15: 05 New
          0
          Buyanov will be a total of 9, at least, but only 3 of them in the Caspian Sea, the remaining 6 for the Black Sea Fleet.
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov 24 December 2015 19: 44 New
          +1
          And then that they, too, are already all old and will crumble soon, while the leaders of these 10 years of the first will be built by the relatives to protect their shores or not? ....................... ................................................ exactly right and then give them more authentic and thicker! and be sure to ship.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 24 December 2015 13: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      Not a shift, but in addition. Buyan-M is completely satisfied with the Navy

      Yes, something too early Buyanov write off. request
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 30 New
        +5
        Yes, something too early Buyanov write off.

        I just explained that they are not written off. About them, "southern birds"
        1. avt
          avt 24 December 2015 13: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: Wiruz
          I just explained that they are not written off. About them, "southern birds"

          More precisely, coastal, and even more precisely - living in the delta of large rivers with the possibility of coastal swimming, which is quite good for the Caspian Sea, the Baltic Sea and partially the Black Sea and inland waterways. The Khimki reservoir also forgot Azovskoe laughing Especially given the developed coastal infrastructure. For open seas, BuyanM from Zelenodolsk was simply not designed from the very beginning. By the way, the general director from Zelenodolsk commented that it was planned a series of 9, but expanded to 12.
          Quote: Anton Gavrilov
          The main difference between 22800 will be just the same seaworthiness. + Pella has not yet been noticed in the global cut and long-term construction, and God forbid it will not.

          What is confirmed
          Bursuk explained that "small ocean-class corvettes have a displacement of 800 tons, capable of speeding up the order of 30 nodes and autonomously performing combat missions at a distance of 3 thousands of miles from the base."
          But the question is, on Scorpio, the basic project that they laid in Rybinsk, they planned to install a turbine. Well, in
          The ships will be equipped with domestic engines, their armament will be composed of Caliber-NK cruise missiles and modern artillery mounts.

          As the Navy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Chirkov previously reported, in total “it is planned to build at least 18 small missile ships of Project 22800”. They should replace the MRK project 21631.
          What will happen ?
          1. DarkMatter
            DarkMatter 24 December 2015 15: 53 New
            +1
            But the question is, on Scorpio, the basic project that they laid in Rybinsk, they planned to install a turbine. Well, what will happen?


            Well, I think something like the M-507A.
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 24 December 2015 14: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Wiruz
          I just explained that they are not written off. About them, "southern birds"

          Yes, I realized, I'm talking about the article itself.
    3. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 13: 44 New
      +3
      This is primarily a matter of seaworthiness. It’s not that Buyan-M didn’t show himself badly in this, but it’s just not intended for open TVDs like the same north or Pacific Fleet.

      It was designed first and foremost for the closed theater, which the Caspian and the Black Sea Fleet are. And he showed himself in this is not bad.

      The main difference between 22800 will be just the same seaworthiness. + Pella has not yet been noticed in the global cut and long-term construction, and God forbid it will not.

      The only thing that is alarming is the designer ... The Central Design Bureau Almaz somehow somehow built up his reputation in my eyes, he soaked the 20380 project ....
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 24 December 2015 14: 23 New
        +2
        It was designed first of all for closed theaters, where the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea Fleet are

        First of all, it was designed for the Caspian Sea, and the transfer to the Black Sea Fleet is unplanned and is caused by known events. His native theater is the Caspian Sea with its “storms in a glass” rather than a real sea swell. If 22800 is rebuilt, then the Buyans will, quite possibly, be thrown into the "native harbor".
    4. ssergn
      ssergn 24 December 2015 17: 02 New
      +3
      By the way, two of them were laid:

      Today, Leningrad Shipbuilding Plant Pella OJSC (Otradnoye) hosted the laying of small rocket ships Uragan and Typhoon of the 22800 Karakurt project. The new MRK was developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau and differs from its predecessor in the 21631 project by its better seaworthiness while maintaining the latter's shock capabilities.
      RTOs with serial numbers 251 and 252 inherited the names of river tower gunboats of the Shkval type, patrol ships of the 2 project, and small missile ships of the 1234 project, which at different times were part of the Russian Navy. The new small missile ships became the first warships, the construction of which was launched by the Pella LSZ.
      The delivery of the head MRC is scheduled for the end of 2017 year

      From here: http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/71992/
      1. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 18: 52 New
        0
        So far the only way
        1. DarkMatter
          DarkMatter 24 December 2015 19: 29 New
          +1
          Shorter than horseradish horseradish, not Shell or Pine sad


        2. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 25 December 2015 13: 31 New
          +1
          In my opinion it will be a simpler and cheaper replacement for “Buyan”. Displacement less = cheaper + less powerful and cheaper domestic engines. Instead of water cannons - screws = easier + cheaper. Artillery 76mm instead of 100mm - cheaper. Air defense installations are not visible, therefore there will be portable MANPADS - cheaper at times. Aft AK-630 instead of AK-630M-2, about half the price. In general, the "crisis Buyan."
          The only thing that is not clear is the presence of the PAR. In theory, under them, you can tin more advanced air defense. But why is it such a small ship - it is not clear.
    5. alecsis69
      alecsis69 25 December 2015 03: 09 New
      0
      Buyan is generally not very suitable for the open sea. It is designed to feel good in shallow water and even in large rivers.
  3. Wiruz
    Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 15 New
    0
    I don’t know about you, but I don’t like the names. “Hurricane”, “Typhoon” - what is this ?! Corvette-like names such as "Guardian", "Strict", "Resistant", etc. would sound better. bully

    And now I just don’t need to poke my nose in the tradition, in the “Bor”, “Samum”, etc. wassat
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 24 December 2015 13: 17 New
      0
      "small ocean-class corvettes"


      - the name specifically, so as not to yell about violations of the agreement on short- and medium-range missiles

      It is clear that their "ocean" - the inland seas, as well as the rivers and canals of Russia

      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 21 New
        +2
        short and medium-range missile treaties

        More details, please. I have to know why you should put a minus hi
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 December 2015 13: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: bulvas
        so as not to yell about violations of the agreement on short- and medium-range missiles

        There is nothing about marine carriers. yes
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        2. bulvas
          bulvas 24 December 2015 14: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: bulvas
          so as not to yell about violations of the agreement on short- and medium-range missiles

          There is nothing about marine carriers. yes


          This is what we are talking about.

          those. it is impossible on land, on sea - it is possible, and from the territory of Russia (rivers, canals), there are many and are scattered over a large territory.

          Ammunition can be replenished in any river port

          As they say, "cheap and cheerful"


          bully
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    3. Kapitänleutnant
      Kapitänleutnant 24 December 2015 13: 19 New
      14
      My minus. There are bad weather divisions in the fleets. There is a project 1234 mr. And the names of the ships are excellent. Adjectives are usually assigned to destroyers and skr tradition, however. soldier
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 34 New
        -1
        So I wrote that there is a tradition. I just say that adjectives would sound better. And let destroyers and frigates call admirals drinks
        1. Kapitänleutnant
          Kapitänleutnant 24 December 2015 13: 54 New
          +5
          Everyone has their own opinion. In the Soviet fleet there were different names for the ship. BOD and cruisers admirals and cities. Destroyers and skr adjectives. MRK and DBK were bad weather and license plates. Now the gradation is blurred by the naming of ships. hi
      2. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 24 December 2015 14: 26 New
        0
        Adjective names are usually assigned to destroyers and hide the tradition, however

        Modern "destroyers" have nothing in common with destroyers, in fact they are cruisers deserving loud names. Type "Primakov", according to the authorities.
    4. Inok10
      Inok10 24 December 2015 13: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: Wiruz
      And now I just don’t need to poke my nose in the tradition, in the “Bor”, “Samum”, etc.

      .. in all fleets, the divisions of RTOs have the traditional nickname "Bad Weather Division" .. traditions .. laughing
      P. S. .. Kapitänleutnant .. ahead of .. hi
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 December 2015 13: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Wiruz
      I don’t know about you, but I don’t like the names. “Hurricane”, “Typhoon” - what is this ?!

      These are the traditional names for small strike ships. The first Soviet 600-ton TFR (actually, destroyers) of the "Hurricane" type were named precisely because of weather events. So the tradition has gone. wink
      Quote: Wiruz
      Corvette-like names such as "Guardian", "Strict", "Resistant", etc. would sound better.

      These names are not ranked for RTOs. These are the names for destroyers and frigates.
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    7. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 24 December 2015 19: 00 New
      +1
      Why poke there were RK Blizzard Mirage Typhoon many interesting names.
    8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 December 2015 21: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: Wiruz
      orvet-like names such as "Guardian", "Strict", "Resistant", etc. would sound better

      Yes, but the tradition - watchdogs are called Hurricanes (Remember, where did the USSR fleet begin? :) Bad weather division?) And the “Guardian” is already bigger for ships.
      1. avt
        avt 24 December 2015 22: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Yes, but the tradition - watchdogs are called Hurricanes (Remember how the USSR fleet began? :) Bad weather division?)

        Well, perhaps the comparison with the Far Eastern monitors will be more important, and in terms of armament they pull on the monitors, and not on the guard - in a weighty way with Caliber.
        Quote: alex80
        the ships will be built taking into account the import substitution policy: the engines for them will be manufactured not by Ukraine, but by the Zvezda factory in St. Petersburg.

        ,, Scorpio "in Rybinsk was planned with a combined installation - a diesel engine and a turbine, but they announced a move for 50 knots. And this one? Here’s how
        Quote: DarkMatter
        Well, I think something like the M-507A.

        colleague thinks?
        Quote: DarkMatter
        Shorter than horseradish horseradish, not Shell or Pine

        Well, so Chirkov said - ,, Armament as ,, Buyan M " request But let's wait ....
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  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 December 2015 13: 15 New
    +2
    Small, but daring. An "asymmetric" response to "partners."
  5. From Samara
    From Samara 24 December 2015 13: 15 New
    -2
    I do not believe in these Stealth ...
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 39 New
      -1
      No arguing against science request
    2. Lenivets
      Lenivets 24 December 2015 20: 23 New
      0
      Stealth is a good thing, just don’t take everything literally.
      Stealth is not invisibility, but a decrease in detection range. hi
  6. holgert
    holgert 24 December 2015 13: 17 New
    0
    Handsome !!! More to such !!! And 7 feet under the keel !!!! Hurray !!!!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 24 December 2015 13: 22 New
      +2
      For a long time it was already necessary to build ships on domestic "engines" building them on imported propulsion systems the way to nowhere, which Ukraine has now shown by "chopping off" gas turbine deliveries to us ..
  7. Wiruz
    Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 19 New
    +5
    As previously reported by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Viktor Chirkov

    This nerd (in the worst sense of the word), said that the ships of this project will come to replace the second troika frigates 11356.
    Hmm, if our Commanders-in-Chief carry such a heresy, then what can we say about the less high-ranking?

    (minus me, Urya-patrioi, minus me completely laughing )
    1. Tu-214R
      Tu-214R 24 December 2015 13: 37 New
      +1
      ria.ru/defense_safety/20151223/1347278494.html
      here, too, it is argued that project 22800 will replace the last 3 watchtowers. Was they completely abandoned or suspended?
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 43 New
        -1
        It seems to have resumed. I remember one day there was news that the construction was frozen, and after a couple of hours that - they resumed request
        1. Berthan
          Berthan 24 December 2015 14: 14 New
          +3
          Yes, it's a smoke break, it just was.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 24 December 2015 15: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Wiruz
          It seems to have resumed. I remember one day there was news that the construction was frozen, and after a couple of hours that - they resumed

          That's why I am skeptical of all lofty promises "by 2020" smile By 2017, too. That's when they build it, then write, and we will rejoice. hi
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 December 2015 13: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      This clever man (in the worst sense of the word) said that the ships of this project would come to replace the second three frigates 11356.

      И on that moment (July 2015) he was absolutely right:
      Small missile ships of the 11356 project with cruise missiles will come to replace the 22800; we plan to lay the lead ship already in the 2016 year

      For in July 2015, the second triple of FR 11356 was expected to be completed in 2017-2018 (domestic gas turbine engines for them were planned for delivery in 2018). And they would be included in the fleet, God forbid, in 2019. And this is according to the most optimistic estimates summer 2015.

      Therefore, MRK 22800 would indeed become a replacement for the missing second triple FR 11356. For lack of stamp ...
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 50 New
        -1
        Was he right about replacing frigates with small missile ships? It's like giving machine gunners instead of three “Pechenegs” eighteen PMs belay
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 24 December 2015 16: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: Wiruz
          Was he right about replacing frigates with small missile ships? It's like giving machine gunners instead of three “Pechenegs” eighteen PMs

          Not PM, but "mosquitoes". Because there are also “calibers” on the 22800. smile

          And most importantly - that the machine gunners will not have “Pechenegs” for another 5 years. And, in which case, they will go into battle goals and barefoot.
    3. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 24 December 2015 15: 04 New
      0
      Yes, of course a person does not think what he is saying fellow
      I am inclined to believe that he needed to say something and he came up with the say THIS.

      If we look for some sort of replacement, then 22160, autonomy and the rest are more suitable. Zelenodoltsy build, the first two ships in the 14th year laid.

      And I hope the Indians buy the second three 11356, now their main one has arrived in Moscow to discuss everything. Of course, we would be better off, but if such a situation occurs, then when choosing the buildings that stand, they occupy and interfere in the factory, on the one hand, and money during the crisis, on the other ... I will choose the money request
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      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 December 2015 16: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: DarkMatter
        If we look for some sort of replacement, then 22160, autonomy and the rest are more suitable. Zelenodoltsy build, the first two ships in the 14th year laid.

        And what about 22160 with a power plant? EMNIP, in the same place besides diesels, is there also a gas turbine engine? And with GTE, everything is bad with us ...
        1. DarkMatter
          DarkMatter 24 December 2015 17: 31 New
          0
          So the rest of us is not new and far from ideals.
          Also, something old Nashensky thread shove, not from a good life recourse
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 24 December 2015 18: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: DarkMatter
            So the rest of us is not new and far from ideals.
            Also, something old Nashensky thread shove, not from a good life

            And they will receive ... correctly - pr. 22800, which is precisely positioned as completely domestic ship.
            Unlike 22160. On which there is nothing to shove - we do not have ship gas-turbine engines. And for a long time there will not be - because the first domestic gas turbine engines will be made for FR 11356 and 22350.
            1. DarkMatter
              DarkMatter 24 December 2015 18: 32 New
              0
              That's right, but autonomy is 15 days and 60 days, that’s the difference. That was the talk initially about the words of Chirkov that if you look for a replacement for 11356, then an MRC with 15 days is not at all suitable.

              At 22350 yes, there the M-90s will go. But with 11356 you can dream up lol for example, if the Indians still buy this second three, then why not try to buy the finished engines in Ukraine, they will get the money twice !!, the Indians will ship, we will free up space, and denyuzhka will also be useful to us. wassat
              M-70 could be put on 22160 I think.
              In any case, you have to wait a long time.
    4. Inok10
      Inok10 24 December 2015 21: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: Wiruz
      This clever man (in the worst sense of the word) said that the ships of this project would come to replace the second three frigates 11356.
      Hmm, if our Commanders-in-Chief carry such a heresy, then what can we say about the less high-ranking?

      (minus me, Urya-patrioi, minus completely)

      ... one of my minuses .. I will explain popularly why .. what Chirkov said was addressed not to the general public, but to "narrow specialists from NATO" .. any surface ship, including now the MRK pr. 2280 equipped with UKKS It is a carrier of 3M14 Caliber NK, taking into account the fact that 3M14 is a successor of the traditions of the Glorious-Good-Soviet 3M10 Granat / 3M12 Relief and Special Warhead for them has existed since Soviet times with a capacity of 150 kT. ..from the Baltic Sea, directly from the outer raid of Baltiysk, RTOs, pr. 22800 can multiply by zero the entire widely advertised EuroPro NATO .. ​​by the fact that the minimum interception height of SM-3 is 50 km. GBI’s heavy interceptors aren’t worth mentioning, the flight altitude of 3M14 does not exceed 100 m, has a difficult tracing and goes around the terrain .. the flight time from the outer raid of Baltiysk to Copenhagen, Stockholm, Berlin, Warsaw does not exceed 30 minutes. .. these are the pies .. about the Patriot, forget that the PU is inclined and should be deployed in the direction of a possible target .. but where does 3M14 fly at a speed of 900 km / h .. only he knows, according to the flight task .. range with Special warhead is 3200 km. .. and London and Paris can also say goodbye .. hi
    5. gispanec
      gispanec 27 December 2015 11: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      ships of this project will come to replace the second three frigates 11356.

      so you write nonsense, already a beard of 2 km that there will be no second three ... in principle, there will be .... there are no engines and our Rybinsk will not help ... there would be something done by the 20th year would be for the series "Gorshkov" ... and the commander in chief meant that 3 Buyan (who should be in the Caspian) would come to the Black Sea Fleet instead of the promised 3 frigates who were left without engines ....
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 December 2015 13: 19 New
    -14
    Stamp such corvettes, and the mericatos will die with their carrier groups! We will finish them at any ocean theater!
    1. amba balamut 77
      amba balamut 77 24 December 2015 14: 06 New
      +3
      Exactly, and we will kill the Abrams from Pmov. RTOs are a necessary and useful thing, but this is not even the second rank, therefore, to all the pros we get all the disadvantages of the mosquito fleet. But For us, now every pennant is important, and as a school desk as well. The censure and experience of the gentlemen of the warlords needs to be recruited somewhere, however. Confuses only the deadline for ships. Somewhere we already heard it, and yes, we promised 20 pcs. frigates and as many corvettes by 2020, it’s something that our shipbuilders have clogged walls. God forbid I make a mistake, but something I can not believe in the numbers of our leadership. hi
    2. amba balamut 77
      amba balamut 77 24 December 2015 14: 06 New
      +2
      Exactly, and we will kill the Abrams from Pmov. RTOs are a necessary and useful thing, but this is not even the second rank, therefore, to all the pros we get all the disadvantages of the mosquito fleet. But For us, now every pennant is important, and as a school desk as well. The censure and experience of the gentlemen of the warlords needs to be recruited somewhere, however. Confuses only the deadline for ships. Somewhere we already heard it, and yes, we promised 20 pcs. frigates and as many corvettes by 2020, it’s something that our shipbuilders have clogged walls. God forbid I make a mistake, but something I can not believe in the numbers of our leadership. hi
  9. Engineer
    Engineer 24 December 2015 13: 20 New
    -6
    We are building some little boats, as if we have no sea except the Caspian. When will the Leader be shown ?!
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 24 December 2015 13: 32 New
      0
      After 20x, since 800 tons of boats will be built only by 2017 and 2018.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 24 December 2015 13: 37 New
      +2
      Will they show? In a couple of months. The Leader destroyer project (in two versions) will be announced by the Northern Design Bureau in early 2016.

      When will they show in metal? ... Rhetorical question ...
    3. Rosty
      Rosty 24 December 2015 13: 40 New
      +1
      When they build it, then they will show it. These "little boats" in the Baltic will now be the older Tirpitz.
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    5. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 24 December 2015 19: 26 New
      0
      This is a question. The problem is that there are a lot of cases and not only the engines here. All equipment cannot be placed; orders are growing, but the resource of enterprises is not. Now it rests on new capacities again, and they did not manage to bring new manufactures to full readiness. All the same, these bottlenecks must be solved. Shoigu has already taken control of one product by Mace. Now it’s a nautical theme again and again. It’s the control of bottlenecks. And here is another point that prices are still rising and money is unfortunately not. This is another serious problem .
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  11. FID
    FID 24 December 2015 13: 38 New
    -1
    What is the "stealth", if the launch range of calibers hoo ??? I do not understand...
    1. kote119
      kote119 24 December 2015 13: 51 New
      +1
      and which of the caliber options will be installed? if pcr then here's the answer about stealth
    2. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 13: 56 New
      +3
      That the carrier itself was more difficult to detect and destroy, which is important.
    3. avt
      avt 24 December 2015 13: 59 New
      0
      Quote: SSI
      What is the "stealth", if the launch range of calibers hoo ??? I do not understand...

      Burrowing somewhere without attracting the attention of electronic intelligence, so as not to cover until the start. Again, they will have to be dispersed in such a way that you can’t cover each of their positional areas with the S-400. It’s only for the public in the Caspian that the squadron has become so stupid as in dreadnought times.
    4. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 24 December 2015 14: 00 New
      0
      "Stealth" for defense. "Gauges" for attack.
  12. Samen
    Samen 24 December 2015 13: 48 New
    -3
    Beautiful ship! good
    1. avt
      avt 24 December 2015 14: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: Semen
      Beautiful ship!

      wassat Ship in the hospital under the bed! And this is a ship, albeit small, but rocket!
      1. Samen
        Samen 24 December 2015 14: 32 New
        +4
        And this is a ship

        I admit my mistake ... I repent !!! crying
        1. avt
          avt 24 December 2015 15: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Semen
          I admit my mistake ... I repent !!!

          Amnesty for the first time. laughing
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 24 December 2015 17: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: avt
            Amnesty for the first time.

            Judging by the estimates, it didn’t. laughing
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 24 December 2015 14: 11 New
      +2
      A “ship” usually stands under a bed, and this is a SHIP!
  13. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 24 December 2015 14: 12 New
    0
    On the layout I see the antenna of the MP-123 station with mechanical scanning both horizontally and in elevation. In short, another bullshit.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 24 December 2015 14: 16 New
      -1
      If V is so smart, why didn’t they go to the design bureau?
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 December 2015 20: 44 New
      -1
      Quote: Dimon19661
      On the layout I see the antenna of the MP-123 station with mechanical scanning both horizontally and in elevation. In short, another bullshit.

      Project 22800 missile system is equipped with an eight-shot vertical universal launching system UKSK located at the rear of the superstructure and an integrated mast with four fixed antenna arrays of the multifunctional radar complex (presumably, L-band Arbalet-D radar developed by Phazotron Corporation NIIR ").



      MOSCOW, WEAPONS OF RUSSIA, Yuri Ivanov
      1. Dimon19661
        Dimon19661 25 December 2015 03: 18 New
        +1
        Actually, I'm talking about an artillery weapon control station.
  14. Berthan
    Berthan 24 December 2015 14: 33 New
    -1
    As a temporary half measure it will do, too ...
    And so, of course - yes ... Until we start mass production of orbital platforms - there will be no order.
  15. uge.garik
    uge.garik 24 December 2015 14: 34 New
    +1
    ... Kuril Islands, the Northern Sea Route - there are a lot of work, 18 ships will be "small enough", although a plus on any ..!
  16. amba balamut 77
    amba balamut 77 24 December 2015 14: 34 New
    +2
    Apparently with the frigates absolutely longing. For whom there is no gas turbine engine, whom the Indians will outbid. By the way, the main Hindu wanted to come to an agreement about the three buildings of pr.11356, who has infa to what he talked with ours on this issue?
    1. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 24 December 2015 16: 04 New
      0
      The visit is two days. While here and there, he rides, everyone looks, everywhere he pokes a finger wassat
      So we are waiting, from the news, today I think so far they will not say anything.
  17. veksha50
    veksha50 24 December 2015 14: 37 New
    +1
    "in total" it is planned to build at least 18 small missile ships of project 22800 "" ...

    The older brothers have already proven combat effectiveness ...

    God help the shipbuilders ...
  18. iouris
    iouris 24 December 2015 14: 44 New
    +1
    These RTOs would look powerful in Pskov Lake.
  19. alex80
    alex80 24 December 2015 15: 33 New
    0
    Quote: avt

    But the question is, on Scorpio, the basic project that they laid in Rybinsk, they planned to install a turbine. Well, in
    The ships will be equipped with domestic engines, their armament will be composed of Caliber-NK cruise missiles and modern artillery mounts.

    As the Navy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Chirkov previously reported, in total “it is planned to build at least 18 small missile ships of Project 22800”. They should replace the MRK project 21631.
    What will happen ?

    According to Borisov, a series of small corvettes of project 22800 will help to avoid delays in updating the naval composition of the Russian Navy, as these ships will be built taking into account the import substitution policy: engines for them will be manufactured not by Ukraine, but by the Zvezda factory in St. Petersburg.
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 December 2015 15: 41 New
    +3
    Given the fact that our fleet is almost completely outdated,
    At least such ships need to be staffed.
    This is later, when we master the large-block assembly,
    when we finish building engines for ships,
    it will be possible to swing at larger projects.
    And now at least to learn to let out such "kids"
    series and a lot without overlays and breakdowns.
  21. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 December 2015 16: 25 New
    +6
    RTOs or small corvettes are a promising class of corbels.
    With its own visual and location stealth
    they can attack and disable large
    enemy ship at a great distance from itself.
    The joker factor.
    Such inexpensive ships will be very nervous about enemy intelligence
    and to pull over its resources AWACS and fleets.
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 25 December 2015 03: 22 New
      -1
      War is not a card game - and in the event of hostilities with an enemy superior in strength, this entire mosquito flotilla will be quickly and efficiently sunk. However, the main forces of the enemy fleet will not even enter the battle.
  22. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 24 December 2015 16: 27 New
    +1
    The ships went like from a toy store! Soon even more bizarre hulls of a catamaran type may appear, or very flattened. Let's look at the dynamics of shipbuilding in a few years.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 December 2015 17: 01 New
      +5
      Chinese missile catamarans Type-22.
      The headache of the Americans.
      More than 80 in the fleet.
      Make 35 knots.
  23. bad
    bad 24 December 2015 16: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: DarkMatter
    Quote: Vladimir
    If things go well with 22800, I think that the Buyans will all go to the Caspian Sea in the future. "Buyan" river-sea is what is written on the Caspian.

    Well, Zelenodoltsy will finish the rest and get 9 Buyanov, too much I think for the Caspian what
    And so Pella, of course, well done. They will bake like pies, pah pah. And then Zelenodoltsy will connect, and they will also start riveting like Buyans, maybe we’ll quickly update the MRK.
    And then here the people are as usual: “Give me the leader, I want an aircraft carrier, Death Star for the New Year, otherwise I’m going to build some RTOs, why ?!”
    And then that they, too, are already all old and will crumble soon, while the leaders of these 10 years of the first will be built by the relatives to protect their shores or not?
    ... yeah .. give them the death star .. MRC you see they don’t have ice ... laughing
  24. sinoptic
    sinoptic 24 December 2015 16: 50 New
    +3
    We create a mosquito fleet.
    In the West, everyone has foreseen this for quite some time and is already taking action.

    The kid is certainly handsome, but he has weak air defense and absolutely no PLO. An ideal target for submarines like the German Type 209 ... 214.

    Would make an inexpensive workhorse for 4500-6000 tons a la IPC. With normal air defense (at least a couple of numbed Shells on sides or Redoubt missiles at 40), with normal PLO and HAK (with the possibility of modernization). With shock capabilities that way 30-40 calibres.
    And they would have stamped dozens to reduce production costs to the maximum.
    We would have closed the coastal part from submarines and could form KUG from such ships for any raids.
    That's about what Americans do with their Arly Burke.
  25. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 17: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: kapitan92
    In the subject of the Russian-Japanese war. In the 70's I read a wonderful work: the author of Novikov-Priboy "Tsushima". The author of the work sailed a battalion on the battleship "Eagle".
    This work was no longer reprinted. Recommend!


    Yes, a gorgeous book in 2 volumes, I have it in school for honest stole, as it was written in a language difficult for schoolchildren and no one even touched it.

    Well, after my theft, no one noticed the loss. wink
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 24 December 2015 17: 16 New
      +5
      Honestly, I also "borrowed" it in a pioneer camp. Port Arthur read yet another work, but the librarian kept watch. laughing
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 December 2015 17: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        at school honestly stole

        Quote: kapitan92
        I also "borrowed" it in a pioneer camp

        And now we say what the younger generation has gone. no All good books are stolen before them. smile
        Quote: kapitan92
        work "Port Arthur"

        Well read, easy.
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 24 December 2015 21: 00 New
          +1
          If I hadn’t stolen it, she would have continued to gather dust there, well, or she would have been thrown out altogether, and so I carefully lay.
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 24 December 2015 21: 40 New
            +4
            And if I hadn’t stole it, they would have handed it over for waste paper, and so, you look and my grandchildren revered! smile
    2. Pirogov
      Pirogov 24 December 2015 22: 40 New
      -4
      author Novikov-Surf "Tsushima". The author of the work sailed a battalion on the battleship "EAGLE" ......................................... .......................
      ................. If he ,,,,, sailed.?! ..... ,,,,, on ,, EAGLE ,,, then when he started to walk ,, ORALL ,, ... Ha, ha H.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
    3. xtur
      xtur 25 December 2015 11: 13 New
      0
      > Yes, a gorgeous book in 2 volumes, I have it, in school for honest stole, as it was written in difficult for schoolchildren language and no one even touched it.


      It can be seen where the information about this war comes from. It’s better to read Zykin, clarification will immediately appear
  26. lopvlad
    lopvlad 24 December 2015 17: 25 New
    -5
    Thanks to Caliber, these babies will become painful pimples on the American ass for years to come.
  27. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 24 December 2015 18: 38 New
    +2
    I used to be an active visitor to this site. And now I almost stopped leaving comments, discussing, anything ... I wonder why? Do not know..?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 December 2015 20: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Observer 33
      I wonder why? Do not know..?

      I guess smile Acne and the like?
  28. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 24 December 2015 19: 04 New
    +1
    By the way, regarding PLO. At VO, the topic of ships with sailing weapons was somehow put up for discussion. But we don’t seem to be ripe before that. The idea is not as crazy as it might seem to someone. Recall "Alcione" J. Cousteau In search mode, under the wind turbine!
    Something = and Solombala shipyard can give.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 December 2015 20: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      Recall "Alcione" J. Cousteau In search mode, under the wind turbine!

      For the first time, rotary turbo-sails of the German engineer Anton Flettner were successfully tested on the Bukau schooner in 1924.
  29. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 December 2015 20: 44 New
    +2
    What is capable of giving the fleet our shipbuilding industry at the moment:
    Ships 1000t. They can actually be mass-produced at 2-3 plants, with domestic engines and equipment. Therefore, they are now emphasizing.
    Ships 2000t. At two plants, with problems, overpriced and imported components. Hence the confusion with projects and prospects.
    Ships 3000t. Serially at the same factory, with purchased foreign engines. There were plans, but now only problems. Perhaps the series will resume in 2018-20, but most likely not.
    Ships 4000t. At one factory, with purchased imported engines and big problems. Most likely, the construction will continue in 2018-20. after the start of engine production.
    Ships 5000. At one factory. With great difficulties, there were plans for two ships, but most likely there will be one.
    All that is larger than 2000t. Is the old Soviet ships, which are now actively being modernized and repaired. And four new buildings at different stages of testing, perhaps two more will be added to them. The construction of new ships is only in projects and theory from 2020-2025, after solving the problem with engines and modernizing the Severnaya Verf shipyard. Against the background of the current economy, 2025-2030 is more likely.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 December 2015 06: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: chunga-changa
      What is capable of giving the fleet our shipbuilding industry at the moment:

      I think the answer to this question can be given by those who actively shouted here: "For hell we need the French Mistral, we ourselves can do everything !!!!" smile hi
  30. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 25 December 2015 02: 29 New
    +1
    My question is, do you guys really think that the “Caliber” is a panacea for all troubles, and there’s nothing cooler? And what do Americans see when they launch a boat armed with them, raise their paws up? No guys, the ball at sea is now ruled by full-size destroyers (how it's not sad American) like Arly Burke and we can’t oppose anything to them (.956 destroyers are hopelessly outdated, and there are 3 of them left, 1155 BODs are also old, and they don’t pull on a full destroyer. Our few 30+ cruisers years, and they didn’t go through any major modernization. If we used to have squadrons, then now there are “teams of dissimilar forces.” To fall and not to stand. Not one new building has come to us at the KTOF over the past 25 years. Of course, we can talk about that frigates and corvettes are the first swallow (although we don’t have these swallows), but these are just coastal zone ships with modest impact capabilities, weak air defense and anti-aircraft defense, which will be quickly destroyed in the event of serious hostilities.
    1. Things
      Things 26 December 2015 13: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Dimon19661
      My question is, when they see the boat armed with them, the Americans will raise their paws up? No guys, the ball at sea is right now full-size destroyers (as it is not sad American) and we can not oppose them

      After the Gorbachev-Yeltsin cut of the army and navy and under the conditions of sanctions, it is certainly difficult and economically inexpedient to chase after the Americans in terms of building more ships, which is what they are for.
      It is probably easier to pay attention to the means of guaranteed destruction.
      Let me ask your more knowledgeable and experienced comrades in the field of air defense and navy: what prevents, for example, getting rid of enemy ships with the help of cruise missiles, while not entering the affected area or even the area of ​​their air defense ?!
      This refers to the use of X-101 missiles from a distance of more than 2000 km!
      "According to the test results, the missile has a KVO of 5 m at a range of 5500 km. The missile is capable of destroying moving targets with an accuracy of 10 m." (C)

      The length of the destroyers of the Ardi Burke type is about 142 meters, the width is 18 meters, and the cruising speed is 20 knots (37 km / h).
      It’s also economically profitable to launch 30-40 such missiles on the AUG and bring significant damage (the cost of US destroyers is about a billion dollars for each (!), Aegis costs 300 million dollars) ...
  31. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 25 December 2015 03: 54 New
    +2
    In my humble opinion of the "land crab" we do not need parity with the US fleet (too expensive, and unrealistic). And historically, Russia has always been a land power, and the United States a maritime power. Now it is more important to upgrade the strategic nuclear forces, the airborne forces and ground forces, but this does not mean that I am against new ships for our fleet.
  32. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 26 December 2015 09: 13 New
    +1
    "Motorcycles" the fleet has always been and will always be needed. Quickly "wake up" and "escape" into the sea - to fight and "home"! Such were the "novices", then the "sevens", "thirty", "1134 B" and especially "1135"! With regard to the acquisition and composition of weapons, it is at the discretion of the General Staff of the Navy - based on the tasks that the formation (group) or single ship should solve. But? The concept of a “unified platform” or “system” (for the first time this unification was applied in Japanese. And then especially in Korean auto slip, when cars of different manufacturers and different models were assembled from the same spare parts and accessories) pr 22800! This is just the right project for the concept of "constructor - transformer" or "lego"! This and MRK (as in this version of the acquisition), and the URO corvette (air defense, PLO or AWACS, PP and electronic warfare)! The main thing is to choose "component" weapons based on the tasks to be solved on a particular theater (fleet or flotilla). At the same time, the principles of "continuity of generations" and "the possibility of subsequent modernization" must be taken into account by designers and the Customer, because there is nothing permanent, everything changes! our opponents are changing, which means there is no limit to perfection! Good luck to sailors and shipbuilders of Russia! Happy New Year everyone! And the peaceful Sea and Sky to you, Russians!
  33. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 27 December 2015 11: 35 New
    0
    Building ships for the Navy is always good. Only ... small. Well, yes, the ocean class, 3000 miles from the base ... But I would like to. so that our surface fleet consisted not only of small ships. But in general - and this is not bad.
  34. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 27 December 2015 16: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Asiat
    Quote: Dimon19661
    My question is, when they see the boat armed with them, the Americans will raise their paws up? No guys, the ball at sea is right now full-size destroyers (as it is not sad American) and we can not oppose them

    After the Gorbachev-Yeltsin cut of the army and navy and under the conditions of sanctions, it is certainly difficult and economically inexpedient to chase after the Americans in terms of building more ships, which is what they are for.
    It is probably easier to pay attention to the means of guaranteed destruction.
    Let me ask your more knowledgeable and experienced comrades in the field of air defense and navy: what prevents, for example, getting rid of enemy ships with the help of cruise missiles, while not entering the affected area or even the area of ​​their air defense ?!
    This refers to the use of X-101 missiles from a distance of more than 2000 km!
    "According to the test results, the missile has a KVO of 5 m at a range of 5500 km. The missile is capable of destroying moving targets with an accuracy of 10 m." (C)

    The length of the destroyers of the Ardi Burke type is about 142 meters, the width is 18 meters, and the cruising speed is 20 knots (37 km / h).
    It’s also economically profitable to launch 30-40 such missiles on the AUG and bring significant damage (the cost of US destroyers is about a billion dollars for each (!), Aegis costs 300 million dollars) ...

    It is this Aegis who will intercept them. The missiles just don’t find the target themselves. They need target designation. For successful military operations on a naval theater of aviation alone, aviation and missiles are extremely insufficient, a fleet is needed. In the 30s, Soviet military doctrine also assumed the destruction of the Japanese fleet forces of the Air Force DB, but the war showed the fallacy of the doctrine, and after the war we began to build an ocean fleet.
    1. Things
      Things 28 December 2015 00: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Dimon19661

      It is this Aegis that will intercept them.

      So how did you “intercept” a rocket in Iraq ?! repeat

      "... the Missouri battleship on the winter night of February 24, 1991, trashes the advanced parts of the Iraqi army, sending shell after shell from its monstrous 406 mm guns. Iraqis do not remain in debt - two Khayyin-2 anti-ship missiles fly from the coast into the battleship "(Chinese copy of the Soviet anti-ship missile P-15 Termite with increased flight range)
      Aegis, your time has come! Aegis, HELP! But The Aegis was idle, blinking stupidly with its bulbs and displays. None of the missile cruisers included in the connection of the US Navy ships reacted to the threat. The position was saved by Her Majesty’s Gloucester ship - from an extremely short distance, the British destroyer cut down one Haiin with the help of the Sea Dart air defense system - Iraqi missile wreckage crashed into the water 600 meters from the Missouri side ... "
      (C)
  35. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 3 January 2016 08: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Asiat
    Quote: Dimon19661

    It is this Aegis that will intercept them.

    So how did you “intercept” a rocket in Iraq ?! repeat

    "... the Missouri battleship on the winter night of February 24, 1991, trashes the advanced parts of the Iraqi army, sending shell after shell from its monstrous 406 mm guns. Iraqis do not remain in debt - two Khayyin-2 anti-ship missiles fly from the coast into the battleship "(Chinese copy of the Soviet anti-ship missile P-15 Termite with increased flight range)
    Aegis, your time has come! Aegis, HELP! But The Aegis was idle, blinking stupidly with its bulbs and displays. None of the missile cruisers included in the connection of the US Navy ships reacted to the threat. The position was saved by Her Majesty’s Gloucester ship - from an extremely short distance, the British destroyer cut down one Haiin with the help of the Sea Dart air defense system - Iraqi missile wreckage crashed into the water 600 meters from the Missouri side ... "
    (C)

    It’s just funny to read such an opus. The person who wrote this absolutely does not understand the essence of the interception process, the operation of air defense systems. And the people are being ...
    1. Things
      Things 7 February 2016 20: 20 New
      0
      Of course!
      It is much more correct to consider that everything American is obviously better, more reliable and more efficient ?! winked