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Ex-Commander of the Ground Forces Vladimir Chirkin changed the sentence: 90 thousand rubles a fine instead of five years in prison

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Information Agency Interfax reports that the Moscow Garrison Military Court decided to release the former commander-in-chief of the Ground Forces Vladimir Chirkin from custody. Recall that Vladimir Chirkin was sentenced to five years in prison on charges of receiving a bribe in the amount of 450 thousand rubles allegedly for helping a former soldier get a one-room apartment.


Chairman of the military board of the military court Yevgeny Zubov:
The verdict of the Moscow Garrison Military Court of 14 August 2015 due to inconsistencies with the conclusions of the court to the actual circumstances presented in the case file, change, retrain the actions of Chirkin from paragraph 5, part 5, article 290, to part 3, article 159 (“Fraud”), on the basis of which Chirkin sentenced to a fine of 90 thousand rubles.




It should be recalled that 14 of August of this year, Colonel-General Vladimir Chirkin was deprived of titles and awards, including the Order of Courage and the Order of Military Merit.

General Chirkin himself denied involvement in assisting a former soldier in obtaining an apartment at the expense of the Ministry of Defense. However, in August 2015, the arguments of the defense of the ex-commander-in-chief of the Ground Forces did not act on the panel of judges. Now, in the Moscow garrison military court, they decided to change their opinion about the Chirkin case.
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 23 December 2015 16: 00 New
    22
    Well, the plague ...
    Это с подачи Димона Госдума приняла такую хитрую статью как "Мошенничество".
    In the event that a high-ranking bribe taker is caught in a bribe,
    высокооплачиваемые крючкотворы-юристы делают все, чтобы "неприкасаемые"
    получали смешной срок именно по статье "Мошенничество", и вскоре выходил по УДО.
    As Hasek wrote in the novel about the quartermasters, cooks and others in the Austrian army:
    - "Крадем, братцы..." А у нас крадут на совершенно другом уровне, - государственном...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 December 2015 16: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: sever.56
      Well, the plague ...

      Who?
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    2. RBLip
      RBLip 23 December 2015 16: 04 New
      +8
      Quote: sever.56
      Well, the plague ...

      , for justice ........ Vasiliev’s neighbor, the campaign.
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    3. Juborg
      Juborg 23 December 2015 16: 05 New
      43
      If not guilty, then why is the fine imposed? If guilty, then why let go? Either they did not make out the orders of conscience or those who set up the general do not have a conscience. One thing is for sure, in Russia there is no justice, the law is ruled by the strongest who is at the feeding trough.
      1. Temples
        Temples 23 December 2015 16: 17 New
        +5
        One thing is for sure, in Russia there is no justice, the law is ruled by the strongest who is at the feeding trough.

        Where else?

        That's just a correction -
        Someone gives this feeder to those who feed on it.

        The strongest is not at the trough.
        1. pint45
          pint45 23 December 2015 16: 29 New
          +4
          The strongest is fed, and his lackeys do what they want.
      2. kayman4
        kayman4 23 December 2015 16: 18 New
        +8
        In Buryatia, a peasant was given for trying to give a bribe in the amount of 100 rubles to the cops who detained him for drinking and drinking (on foot) - 3 years of general regime
        1. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 16: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: kayman4
          In Buryatia, a peasant was given for trying to give a bribe in the amount of 100 rubles to the cops who detained him for drinking and drinking (on foot) - 3 years of general regime



          The unfortunate person was tried three times for theft and was on probation. In total, he received 3 years in prison.
      3. Boos
        Boos 23 December 2015 16: 55 New
        0
        Law of the jungle, Dima Dvorkovich Tobacco ...
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 23 December 2015 17: 30 New
        0
        Quote: juborg
        If not guilty, then why is the fine imposed? If guilty, then why let go?

        It is difficult, as in all similar cases, to talk about something, not knowing exactly all the circumstances of the case.
        But we have a condescending attitude to high-ranking robbers and corrupt officials.
        For example, Article 20 of the UN Convention against Corruption (Illicit Enrichment) has not yet been ratified.
        Briefly, its meaning is that быть "необъяснимо" богатым - это уже преступление and there is no need to further prove that, they say, he stole, and not by chance gave millions of dollars.
        What is easier and more efficient?
        Но... Пока боятся, наверное, воров. Да и сами многие законодатели и рукамиводители не любят, как писал классик, "упускать того, что само плывёт в руки".
      5. zennon
        zennon 23 December 2015 20: 38 New
        0
        Quote: juborg
        If not guilty, then why is the fine imposed? If guilty, then why let go?

        And he is a little guilty, make-believe ...
    4. shooter18
      shooter18 23 December 2015 16: 28 New
      +2
      90 thousand !! he has an official sn at times more! funny! in China would have been shot already ..
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 16: 29 New
      0
      They did the right thing to release the combat general. The eccentric did not give a bribe, but a magarych, and for further friendship with families. And then he presented as a bribe. no one demanded money from him. Therefore, there can be no talk of any bribe. The one who issued a warrant for an apartment and set up a man turned out to be rotten. Knowing in advance that the apartment is controversial.
    6. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 23 December 2015 16: 43 New
      +3
      интересно, а 450тыров "генералу" вернули?
    7. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 16: 46 New
      0
      Quote: sever.56
      Это с подачи Димона Госдума приняла такую хитрую статью как "Мошенничество".

      You're not right. Art. 147 existed in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR in 1960. This Criminal Code lost its force in 1996 or 1997. At that time, few even knew about VV Putin.
      At the same time read Art. 159 of the Criminal Code.
      И скажите мне: "Всё равно Медведев виноват. request
      1. matross
        matross 23 December 2015 17: 27 New
        +1
        Ну слава Богу, хоть кто-то не поленился разобраться с "мошенничеством". Медведев, конечно, кадр мутный, но вешать на него специальное введение в УК "нового" состава это чересчур. Зато громко выступил товарисч дилетант с севера...
        1. corn
          corn 23 December 2015 18: 28 New
          0
          Quote: matRoss
          someone was not too lazy to figure it out

          I didn’t come to the site to shout slogans, I’m interested in information, not disinformation, but each sheep should hang by its leg, or wear its own horns or eggs. As you like.
      2. corn
        corn 23 December 2015 17: 27 New
        -1
        "Минусёру". Ахинею нести можно, а ответить в открытую слабо, не хватает ни знаний. ни серого вещества в голове. Я удовлетворён. Молчишь, значит сцышь.
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    9. Wolverine
      Wolverine 23 December 2015 20: 47 New
      +2
      Well, as in a joke: Dad and his son are walking along the embankment, they see a huge house. The son asks, and what can you trade to make money like this, but the son is sold in the homeland, the motherland ...
  2. Vikings
    Vikings 23 December 2015 16: 02 New
    +5
    It can be seen that he didn’t please anyone at the top!
    a laugher is ridiculous. Under it, love can be let down. There would be a man and an occasion.
    1. Truth
      Truth 23 December 2015 16: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Vikings
      Seen to someone upstairs did not please!

      Вероятно этот "патрон" не подходит к обойме "Сердюков-Васильева"...
      They stayed with their own, and this plucked like sticky.
      1. Vikings
        Vikings 23 December 2015 16: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Truth
        Quote: Vikings
        Seen to someone upstairs did not please!

        Probably this & ayou; cartridge & ayouot; not suitable for clip & yauot; Serdyukov-Vasilyev & yauot; ...
        They stayed with their own, and this plucked like sticky.

        Enta version, has the right to exist .. as well as
        others.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 23 December 2015 16: 32 New
          0
          That's it, like the others.
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  4. zulus222
    zulus222 23 December 2015 16: 03 New
    +9
    ALREADY FUNNY BECOMING!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 23 December 2015 16: 32 New
      +5
      It’s not funny for a long time.
  5. Basarev
    Basarev 23 December 2015 16: 04 New
    +1
    Maybe they plan to finally reach Serdyukov?
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 23 December 2015 16: 48 New
      +6
      Get and reward?
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 16: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Basarev
      Maybe they plan to finally reach Serdyukov?

      Well, yes, a fine of 500 rubles is soldered. lol
  6. Vadim12
    Vadim12 23 December 2015 16: 04 New
    +2
    It is unclear, but the titles and awards returned or not?
    1. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 17: 06 New
      +1
      Art. 159 falls under serious. They may not be returned; the sentence needs to be seen.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 23 December 2015 16: 04 New
    +9
    Serdyukov’s case lives and prospers !!!
    Prisons in Russia would be empty in half an hour if it was possible to replace the 5-year prison colony with 90 thousand rubles. To see a little of them is blasphemed by the Echo of Moscow, here's another reason!
  8. Tjeck
    Tjeck 23 December 2015 16: 05 New
    +6
    Hmm .. took 450, gave 90 = profit. although I don’t understand, the commander-in-chief should not have a small salary.
    1. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 16: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Tjeck
      the commander-in-chief's salary should not be small.

      Наберите в поисковой строке"Калькулятор денежного довольствия(или содержания) военнослужащих, найдите сайт начфининфо и Ваше любопытство будет удовлетворено( в какой-то мере). Там же и расчёт пенсии есть, с моей не сошёлся на целый рубль. Пользуйтесь.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 17: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: corn
        find the site nachfininfo and your curiosity will be satisfied (to some extent).

        Not satisfied. The source data for the calculation is not enough. There are a whole bunch of bonuses, and each in the amount of 10 to 30% of the salary. As a result, it can be 50000 rubles, and maybe 500000 rubles. hi
        1. corn
          corn 23 December 2015 17: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Not satisfied.

          Excuse me. You yourself quoted me: to some extent. There may be up to 100% allowances. I found in the internet how much they pay a month to senior officials in the state. I do not know your income, but there is no comparison with mine; Shoigu - less than 500 tyrov (like the Minister of Defense). I think you will not demand from me where I got this. It’s bad to count other people's money, but a general of this level has 200 plus or minus fifty. These are my grades.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 18: 16 New
            0
            Quote: corn
            I do not know your income

            I have nothing to hide - 18t.rub. laughing
            Quote: corn
            There may be up to 100% allowances

            More, there are types of allowances as much as 11 pieces, and for each percentage.
  9. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 23 December 2015 16: 06 New
    +9
    Quote: Tjeck
    Hmm .. took 450, gave 90 = profit.

    They say correctly, they’re planting not those who steal, but those who do not share. I would have shared it earlier and there was no scandal. Zheglov’s words that the thief should be in prison will remain fiction.
    1. Tjeck
      Tjeck 23 December 2015 16: 32 New
      +3
      Согласен. Хотя я в принципе за то чтоб всякие магазинные кражи итд мало-имущими поставили в административный раздел. Но когда от уголовного наказания уходят так сказать ''первые соколы'' страны то становится грустно.
  10. Federal
    Federal 23 December 2015 16: 10 New
    +5
    I do not believe that the general will exchange for this! The intrigue of pure water, the general prevented someone in a future career, or even prevented anyone at all. No need to condemn a person without knowing all the nuances, otherwise you can go far with accusations against him.
    1. zulus222
      zulus222 23 December 2015 16: 18 New
      +4
      I agree! we have no information. as they say we are not in the subject.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 17: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Federal
      I do not believe that the general will exchange for this!

      Why? In the 90s, the MO traded posts with a bang. Yes, and in the early 2000s, too. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs the same. And just those who bought the posts are now in service.
      So I would not promise. hi
      1. Federal
        Federal 23 December 2015 17: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Why? In the 90s, the MO traded posts with a bang. Yes, and in the early 2000s, too. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs the same. And just those who bought the posts are now in service.
        So I would not promise.

        Igor, I understand you perfectly, your indignation about this, too, but the commander in chief whose salary is more than a bribe is unlikely to spoil his reputation and get dirty, this is a setup of clean water, maybe he helped his former subordinate get an apartment, but money from him , this is my personal opinion, I would not take it. Something is wrong here, some link is missing ...
        ... he was sentenced to five years in a colony on charges of receiving a bribe in the amount of 450 thousand rubles, allegedly for helping a former soldier to get a one-room apartment.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 18: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Federal
          Something is wrong here, some link is missing ...

          I do not exclude either one or the other. requestEverything can be. The same Shoigu praised by all now when he was Minister of Emergencies was not a saint either.
          Victor - hi
    3. gudgeon
      gudgeon 23 December 2015 18: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Federal
      I do not believe that the general will exchange for this! The intrigue of pure water, the general prevented someone in a future career, or even prevented anyone at all. No need to condemn a person without knowing all the nuances, otherwise you can go far with accusations against him.

      I agree with you. At VO there was already an article about this incident. If you believe the investigation, then
      Chirkin was found guilty of receiving a bribe in the amount of 450 thousand rubles, which a senior official in my time gave a former soldier to obtain a one-room apartment in Moscow.
      .
      Любой опер, хоть раз документировавший взятку, скажет, что без взятия с поличным на деньгах - "взятки" не бывает, это - нонсенс. А уж спустя несколько лет доказать ее, а тем более - осудить за это... Очень "мутная" история.
  11. basy66
    basy66 23 December 2015 16: 21 New
    +2
    Long live the Russian court! The most humane court in the world! Hooray comrades!
  12. Shpagolom
    Shpagolom 23 December 2015 16: 25 New
    +3
    ...Стыдно за наше правосудие,но мы настойчиво будем молиться на верховных вождей,вопрос-когда будет порядок,как весь этот бардак "прикончить" &
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 23 December 2015 16: 26 New
    +1
    The rich have their own laws!
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 23 December 2015 17: 25 New
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      The rich have their own laws!

      They do not live by the laws, but by the concepts. A big difference!
  14. FIREMAN
    FIREMAN 23 December 2015 16: 26 New
    +7
    retrain Chirkin’s actions from clause 5 of part 5 of article 290 to part 3 of article 159 (“Fraud”)

    Дело тут не в этом. Переквалификация говорит о том, что не удалось доказать взятку или посредничество в ней (не сам же главком квартиры дает) поэтому свели к тому, что он пытался завладеть деньгами путем обмана. Раскрывать же других людей в "схеме" - даже если она существует, для него себе дороже, кроме этого факта могут всплыть и другие. Вот такая арифметика. А по поводу "провокации" фигня, к ГЛАВКОМУ с такими обвинениями просто так не придешь (факт передачи скорее всего был тщательно задокументирован как видео, так и аудио), да и встреча с "дающим" была не единственной.
    1. cobalt
      cobalt 23 December 2015 22: 17 New
      0
      Вы правильно пояснили вопрос о причинах переквалификации, меня же смущает не столько переквалификация, она имеет место быть по аналогичным делам, сколько примененная санкция, ведь помимо штрафа в ч.3 ст. 159 ук РФ предусмотрено наказание и в виде лишения свободы до 6 лет, почему бы не оставит ему лишение свободы, хотя бы года 3-4, видимо " порешали" по этому поводу. Вообще военные суды эта отдельная тема правосудия-неправосудия.
  15. Evgeny Petrovich
    Evgeny Petrovich 23 December 2015 16: 27 New
    +3
    My opinion is that it is a setup. Most likely he was interfering with someone. And with such a position, 450 thousand is his wife's hats.
    1. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 17: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Evgeny Petrovich
      wife on hats.

      В оригинале " на булавки". А по поводу размера - это больше двухмесячного денежного довольствия этого мэна.
  16. Pereira
    Pereira 23 December 2015 16: 27 New
    +1
    Druzhban Vasilyeva? The sixth column does not abandon its own.
  17. Valter1364
    Valter1364 23 December 2015 16: 29 New
    +2
    If you come across again, I propose to restore the title and return the rewards. soldier
  18. Rosty
    Rosty 23 December 2015 16: 31 New
    +2
    If you are fined, then give a 9x18 cartridge for change. And promise to bury with honors. There was such a good tradition in the army ... But seriously, it’s high time to return the confiscation of property
    1. swertalf
      swertalf 23 December 2015 16: 46 New
      +1
      Конфискацию имущества отменили, потому, что этот вид наказания даже в Советском Союзе практически "не работал". Все заранее переписывалось на родственников. Сам знакомился с делом тех лет, где у взяточницы в конце концов смогли конфисковать старую куртку из кожи копеечной стоимости.
      1. Cobra77
        Cobra77 23 December 2015 18: 25 New
        0
        Quote: swertalf
        Конфискацию имущества отменили, потому, что этот вид наказания даже в Советском Союзе практически "не работал". Все заранее переписывалось на родственников. Сам знакомился с делом тех лет, где у взяточницы в конце концов смогли конфисковать старую куртку из кожи копеечной стоимости.


        Это легко поправимо. Добавь в закон обязательность подтверждение источника средств на которые было куплено то или иное имущество стоимостью выше определённой. Не можешь предоставить - государство арестовывает его, до тех пор пока не сможешь подтвердить законность средств. Не смог в течении года - конфискация. Это не лечит полностью от болезни, но сокращает на порядок. Для чиновников вообще стоит ввести понятие "презумпция виновности". Но для этого гарант и дума должны хотеть решать проблему, а не заниматься имитацией.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 23 December 2015 17: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Rosty
      it's time to return the confiscation of property

      Этот вопрос задавали нашим обожаемым думцам, так вот большая половина высказалась категорически ПРОТИВ. Означает одно - рыба гниёт с головы! Да и "Гарант" наш молвит, что своих не сдаём. А то что переписано на родственников, знакомых кума или сватьи - при желании найти очень даже можно, и быстро!
  19. Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 23 December 2015 16: 37 New
    +2
    It seems to me framed. The reason will remain unknown. therefore, the graphics were written out symbolic, that he thought better of it, on time. It’s safer to keep young people around you, with lure hands and foremen by education, that would sleep peacefully. Why, there, as they say, I don’t live to be fat.
  20. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 23 December 2015 16: 38 New
    0
    After such release, he must be sent to war to atone for guilt.
  21. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 23 December 2015 16: 41 New
    +1
    recourse Yeah. Now we need to return the awards and assign to the General Staff to command. Ugh b ...
  22. voronbel53
    voronbel53 23 December 2015 16: 44 New
    +5
    Не понять, виноват или нет. Если взял взятку, то почему так мало дали, а если не брал, за что штраф? Или существуют такие "объективные" причины, когда можно при желании повернуть статью и так и этак, как это выгодно кому-то? А штраф он заплатил из тех 450тыс или из своих кровных? Одно я понял, что простому человеку при любых обстоятельствах было бы намного хуже и такого цирка в суде не было бы...Вместо стократного штрафа, уменьшили в пятьсот раз,- чудеса...
  23. moskowit
    moskowit 23 December 2015 16: 45 New
    +3
    Моментально наше "правосудие" идёт навстречу пожеланиям властьимущих. Кто озвучил, о том, что за экономические преступления можно обходится штрафом?
    So, if 90 thousand (the equivalent of the monthly salary of an engineer in Moscow) is divided by the 5-year term, then you get 49 rubles 31,5 pennies per day. The exceptional amount of punishment. Keep it up!
    1. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 17: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: moskowit
      the equivalent of the monthly salary of an engineer in Moscow

      Not a damn thing about the salary of an engineer in Moscow !!!
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 23 December 2015 17: 35 New
        0
        Quote: corn
        Not a damn thing about the salary of an engineer in Moscow !!!

        Moscow is not Russia! It has been known for a long time, only for some reason you did not know about it. Holy simplicity!
        1. not a Jew
          not a Jew 23 December 2015 18: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: Saratoga833
          Moscow is not Russia!

          Exactly. MKADysh they. Living in their cozy little world created with money from all over Russia.
        2. corn
          corn 23 December 2015 18: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Saratoga833
          Holy simplicity!

          I just did not understand what the Muscovite wanted to say.
          Personally, I know what the average salary is in Moscow and Mukhos ... ske.
  24. Vityok
    Vityok 23 December 2015 16: 54 New
    +2
    Не буду судить виновен, не виновен, но ощущение на душе паршивое. Вроде конституция у нас одна, по ней все перед законом равные, а на деле выходит ... Раньше была "Рабоче-крестьянская красная армия" а сейчас тюрьма рабоче-крестьянская". Так и приходят на ум речь из фильма "Кавказская пленница" -Да здравствует наш суд- самый гуманный в мире!" recourse
  25. sw6513
    sw6513 23 December 2015 16: 55 New
    +1
    In vain voiced, only people against the set up.
  26. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 December 2015 16: 57 New
    +1
    That is who lives in Russia well. winked Fraudsters
  27. vo3
    vo3 23 December 2015 17: 02 New
    -6
    Я ,как ваш собеседник, всегда очень плохо относился к советским ,а позднее к российским генералам.Объясню почему,современный командир высшего ранга,несущий личную особую ответственность за боеготовность части армии находиться в положении человека у которого под ногами ,,горит земля''.Наша армия не готова к современной войне.Мы не знаем как и не умеем находить войска противника на поле боя,на театре военных действий и так далее...У нас есть классное вооружение у нас неплохие специалисты которые управляют этой техникой,у нас уже научились управлению войсками.Но мы не знаем где враг,куда стрелять ...Проводиться куча учений где уничтожается противник.А где учения как его найти? Самое интересное, что этот вопрос не поднимается в
    society. There is no audible concern from the command. Everyone is waiting for Putin or Shoigu to talk about it.
    PROFESSIONALISM of generals should be in first place. A bribe in the amount of one salary of Amer’s general per month and 1 years in prison. Nobody cares what kind of general this is. And is there at least 25 general in Russia now? ... Name at least one honest authoritative general with his opinion with an active position with a vision of prospects. Some fools and ... half-bent clowns ... Object ....
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 23 December 2015 17: 11 New
      +4
      С чего бы? Нанесли пургу и нате вам "возразите". А оно надо на пустышку возражать?
    2. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 17: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: vo3
      But we don’t know where the enemy is, where to shoot ...

      The one who speaks for everyone, as a rule, is not able to answer even for one himself, which you confirm to all your comments. Do you have a decent military education (and so you can create your own opinion)? Or believe the scribbler on any site?
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2015 23: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: vo3
      Name at least one honest authoritative general with your opinion with an active position with a vision of prospects. Some fools and ... half-bent clowns ..

      General Ivashov, Admiral Popov.
  28. Koshak
    Koshak 23 December 2015 17: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: voronbel53
    If you took a bribe, then why did you give so little, and if you didn’t take, what is the fine for?

    And why then to report such news?
  29. kapitan92
    kapitan92 23 December 2015 17: 22 New
    +8
    Помнится в советские времена была статья УК СССР 93прим, она гласила, что за хищения бюджетных средств в особо крупных от 15лет и выше(читай расстрел). Когда пришли "демократы" эту статью убрали в первую очередь!
  30. afrikanez
    afrikanez 23 December 2015 17: 32 New
    +2
    Well, here’s another confirmation that the criminal code is just like refereeing, which cannot be opposed to high ranks. In fact, lawlessness and more.
  31. fa2998
    fa2998 23 December 2015 17: 58 New
    0
    Quote: juborg
    If not guilty, then why is the fine imposed? If guilty, then why let go?

    He is completely guilty of the penalty in court! He was released and escaped with a fine, because ELITA is not 37 years old either. And the profit remained - the penalty is 5 times less than a bribe. Our courts are incorruptible and impartial !!! laughing fellow hi
  32. Cobra77
    Cobra77 23 December 2015 18: 09 New
    +4
    The system has finally learned to forgive. :) It's pi .... simple. Well, by God, it would be better if they didn’t even judge at all then than that. This is a fact of spitting on the country, on the judicial system, on everything. Although after the amnesty of Serdyukov and UDO Vasilyeva this is not even impressive.
  33. 1536
    1536 23 December 2015 18: 31 New
    +1
    На лицо прогресс, потому что раньше давали 90 тысяч выходного пособия и провожали на пенсию. Человек окапывался в каком-нибудь "совете ветеранов" и продолжал занимать своим любимым "делом". А сегодня только спиваться таким осталось. Хотя не факт. Могут взять экспертом по коррупции в какой-нибудь фонд или банк.
  34. Boatswain
    Boatswain 23 December 2015 18: 34 New
    +2
    Уважаемые старожилы ВО! Вы конечно правы в своих стенаниях по поводу несовершенства судебной системы и политических перекосов, но есть одно но. Мне довелось служить под командованием полковника Чиркина Владимира Валентиновича, и честно говоря я очень рад что ему не придется отбывать срок в колонии. Говорить за всех не буду, но я запомнил его как очень интеллигентного человека, грамотного командира, удивлявшего своим добрым отношением к офицерам и солдатам. Были командиры и до него и после в 42 гвардейской Евпаторийской дивизии, но он был лучший. Было спокойно от того что все знали что командир у нас серьезный и грамотный мужик и зазря дурковать не будет. Вообще у меня большое подозрение что его просто слили освобождая место. Ну не может генерал на такой должности быть святым. Просто сама система не допустит. Все нарушают закон и если господин Сердюков и его госпожа Васильева были действительно достойны "вышки" за свои шалости,но теперь гуляют на свободе, что ж вы так напали на нормального боевого офицера?! А теперь минусуйте. Коли сами без греха
    1. cayman gene
      cayman gene 23 December 2015 19: 01 New
      +7
      Uv.Botsman, no one disputes the merits of the General, but if the crime is committed, responsibility must be borne without regard to the merits. Madame Themis, if you remember, is blindfolded. that's just 90 thousand is not money. 90 thousand Vladimir Valentinovich must pay monthly until his bright end. if you forgive high-ranking bribe thieves, then the people will not have confidence in the authorities.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 24 December 2015 07: 49 New
        -3
        Чиркина никто за руку не ловил.Все дело состряпано на показаниях двух его подчиненных и так называемого "терпилы", которого кинули эти самые подчиненные.Одного по фамилии Нечаев знал лично.Та ещё г..да, мать родную продаст, только чтоб его не трогали.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 23 December 2015 22: 33 New
      +4
      Dear Boatswain! The question is purely rhetorical, but you did not serve as a political officer !?
      А как же Глеб Жеглов-" Вор должен сидеть в тюрьме"!
      You say the system will not allow it, or maybe it was necessary to remove officer weather or the severity of the stars prevented this. But what about officer honor?
      There is always a way out, if you want to go out!
      1. Boatswain
        Boatswain 23 December 2015 23: 23 New
        0
        Нет, не замполитом. Приставка к званию была "медицинской службы". Насчет цитаты Глеб Егоровича - цитирую себя : "Виноват - сажайте, с этим я согласен, но должны быть и интересы государственные, нельзя так опускать генералитет". Вот именно, офицерская честь. Вы забыли как в 2002-2006 годах в Питере в метро военных били тех что в форме? Когда военные вагоны на Варшавском вокзале разгружали что бы на еду собрать? Когда курсанты в голодные обмороки на лекциях падали? Где были тогда эти чудесные понятия? Хотите вернуть те славные времена. Сейчас военные ходят заслуженно с поднятой головой, гордо. Всегда было правило. Своих в обиду не давать - сам хоть в порошок сотри подчиненного, но от чужого отбей. Почему было нельзя не шуметь и не раздувать в СМИ травлю? Я ж не против борьбы с коррупцией. Я за то что бы сор из избы не выносили. Кому надо что бы Главком СВ был посмешищем? Вот о чем я. Извините за сумбур.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 24 December 2015 01: 36 New
          +5
          ......"нельзя так опускать генералитет"...
          Генералитет порой сам себя опускает до "немогу": Квашнин, Макаров, Постников
          ....."Когда курсанты в голодные обмороки на лекциях падали? Где были тогда эти чудесные понятия? Хотите вернуть те славные времена"......
          No I do not want to! Cadets say, the whole country was cancer!
          . .."Почему было нельзя не шуметь и не раздувать в СМИ травлю? Я ж не против борьбы с коррупцией. Я за то что бы сор из избы не выносили. Кому надо что бы Главком СВ был посмешищем?"....
          Как я вас понимаю если генерала за жо"у взяли за воровство или взятку надо его тихонечко оштрафовать и отпустить.Он же генерал!!!!!
          That's how the country and pumped. In China, your general would be publicly shot at the stadium so that others would not be disgraced.
  35. lukke
    lukke 23 December 2015 18: 51 New
    +2
    Alright with Chirkin, he at least risked his life for the sake of the country and, until a certain moment, lived without excesses like any military man ... I’m personally happy with this beloved character)
    выступая на новогоднем корпоративе, Чубайс сказал: "У нас очень много денег". "Их просто вот совсем много, - продолжил глава корпорации. - И именно поэтому у нас появилась возможность не просто "ворочать" большими деньгами, а еще и вложить их в нашу долгосрочную стратегию!".
    1. cayman gene
      cayman gene 23 December 2015 19: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: lukke
      Alright with Chirkin

      no, it’s not okay, or the law is one for all, or the country will go along the dumb Hohlyak corruption path. caught-Chirkin, start with Chirkin.
      1. lukke
        lukke 24 December 2015 13: 40 New
        0
        or the law is one for all, or the country will go along the dumb hohlyatsky corruption path
        I completely agree with you, but it turns out that we are eager to plant a military general for (not quite proven damage to the price of the apartment) and release Madame, who stole a thousand of such apartments ?! Against her background, he is an angel. That's when we start from the first persons - then we will not make discounts on military or other merits, but now I personally do not care about this general (after an honest toldyan Serdyukov and his women)
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  36. Thor
    Thor 23 December 2015 18: 57 New
    +2
    Mdaaa, nothing changes, with such a fight against corruption there’s nothing more to talk about, it’s already something ordinary: stole-caught-UDO !! Well for a certain flight of people! The district doctor would already be sitting !!!
    P.S. Особо подчеркну, "лодку не раскачиваю"!!!
  37. vo3
    vo3 23 December 2015 19: 59 New
    +1
    We have a Ukrainian scenario at times. Where are the faithful people around Putin who are ready to take responsibility, on whom he can rely and convicted of full power and capabilities? The top is not a platoon of soldiers, where any soldier is changed at a time. You have no irreplaceable, all are equal and we will get dill. Wait for Serdyukov. You can’t let anyone go close to any public service.
  38. vo3
    vo3 23 December 2015 20: 14 New
    0
    If this ex-commander is a stupid person, then how did he get there? After all, this is the deputy chief of the General Staff, not a simple man. And if all the stupid people, then how? This is a state-of-the-art emergency. It's not just a scandal, not just a bribe. You understand what happened.
  39. Boatswain
    Boatswain 23 December 2015 20: 41 New
    -1
    Dear delegate of the All-Army Congress of Representatives of Officer Assemblies in Moscow in 1988 (see the commentary on the article - the Turkish invasion of December 09.12.2015, 3), he is vo9! Let me clarify what language you translate your comments from Google? I’m ready to admit that I’m a stupid person, but I don’t understand what you are talking about. Contradict yourself, and punctuation is a mystery to you. And in general, what happened in your life on December XNUMX of this year, when you started pouring thoughtful comments on VO? Answering your question in advance, I’ll say that I’m indignant that our wonderful press is beckoning General Chirkin, I personally feel offense for the fate of my military commander, that's why I am writing here for the first time. Any official, even the presidential administration, even the head of the management company of the house in which I live, steals, takes bribes, if only he has the slightest opportunity. This is a SYSTEM. Yes, the court, once sentenced, determined Chirkin's guilt. To the best of the totality of evidence or because of the wretchedness of lawyers. In any case, this is the tragedy and fault of the person - Vladimir Valentinovich Chirkin. And not the Commander in Chief of the Ground Forces. Similar processes damage the image of our long-suffering army. It's to blame - plant, I agree with this, but there should be state interests, you can’t omit the generals like that.
    1. vo3
      vo3 23 December 2015 21: 29 New
      0
      С китайского,что не видно ,,чурка нерусская''.У нас мысли совпадают,только вы о частном,а я об общем.Прочитайте ещё раз...Меня приземлили по семейным на полгода- потерпите,будет интересно.
  40. DPN
    DPN 23 December 2015 20: 41 New
    0
    Everything goes on the principle of their not planting, 90t.r. of those 450t.r. it's crumbs, instead of 5 years I gave an advance and sleep peacefully.
  41. Megatron
    Megatron 23 December 2015 23: 11 New
    +1
    И генпрокурор чайка, тоже наверное "не-при-чем".
  42. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 December 2015 00: 30 New
    0
    Pretty boy. And he would go out to the swamp with a poster, would have raped three colonies without question and amnesty. Here, a respected person simply stole, for this is now awarded orders.
  43. sergant67
    sergant67 24 December 2015 00: 33 New
    0
    Как сказал один небезызвестный персонаж:"Иди йо т!!!
    Я так полагаю что это какой-то заказ, какому-то Гондурасу не хватило квартиры....??? Как это мутно.... Одного похоже кинули с квартирой в свое время, а второго на кукан за то что помог "восстановить справедливость"....(как вариант) Фактуру не излагают по соображению " его фамилия слишком известна чтобы ее произносить в слух!!"
    Though...
    The head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) of Russia Igor Artemyev has proposed the development of an import substitution program for Google products.
    Maybe he and everyone sitting in that house (including a specialist in light bulbs) can replace their brains with nanoclysters ...
  44. Linkin
    Linkin 24 December 2015 02: 13 New
    0
    as the saying goes, the more I stole the less I sit ...
  45. Hammer
    Hammer 24 December 2015 05: 52 New
    0
    Well, comrades, we are moving in the right direction! First, Serdyukov with Vasilyeva, then Horoshavin, then a seagull, now this! And they think, I suppose, that the people will continue to wipe themselves. With such a wonderful fight against corruption, we will soon be satisfied with the Maidan.
  46. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 24 December 2015 07: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Federal
    I do not believe that the general will exchange for this! The intrigue of pure water, the general prevented someone in a future career, or even prevented anyone at all. No need to condemn a person without knowing all the nuances, otherwise you can go far with accusations against him.

    Поддерживаю! Генерал Чиркин честнейший человек.Все кто служил под его началом об этом скажут.Его подставили свои же подчиненные,пойдя на сделку со следствием и свалив все свои грешки на него, тем самым "вышли из воды сухими".Не поленитесь и погуглите, как на самом деле все было.
  47. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 24 December 2015 09: 04 New
    0
    Quote: corn
    Quote: moskowit
    the equivalent of the monthly salary of an engineer in Moscow

    Not a damn thing about the salary of an engineer in Moscow !!!

    This is where such a salary? In Gazprom chtoli? I work in Moscow as an engineer in the military-industrial complex, a salary of 45 tr. Maybe the chief engineer, then yes. The chief engineer can get more, and not only in Moscow.