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Ex-Commander of the Ground Forces Vladimir Chirkin changed the sentence: 90 thousand rubles a fine instead of five years in prison

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Information Agency Interfax reports that the Moscow Garrison Military Court decided to release the former commander-in-chief of the Ground Forces Vladimir Chirkin from custody. Recall that Vladimir Chirkin was sentenced to five years in prison on charges of receiving a bribe in the amount of 450 thousand rubles allegedly for helping a former soldier get a one-room apartment.


Chairman of the military board of the military court Yevgeny Zubov:
The verdict of the Moscow Garrison Military Court of 14 August 2015 due to inconsistencies with the conclusions of the court to the actual circumstances presented in the case file, change, retrain the actions of Chirkin from paragraph 5, part 5, article 290, to part 3, article 159 (“Fraud”), on the basis of which Chirkin sentenced to a fine of 90 thousand rubles.




It should be recalled that 14 of August of this year, Colonel-General Vladimir Chirkin was deprived of titles and awards, including the Order of Courage and the Order of Military Merit.

General Chirkin himself denied involvement in assisting a former soldier in obtaining an apartment at the expense of the Ministry of Defense. However, in August 2015, the arguments of the defense of the ex-commander-in-chief of the Ground Forces did not act on the panel of judges. Now, in the Moscow garrison military court, they decided to change their opinion about the Chirkin case.
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 23 December 2015 16: 00
    +22
    Well, the plague ...
    It was at the suggestion of Dimon that the State Duma adopted such a cunning article as "Fraud".
    In the event that a high-ranking bribe taker is caught in a bribe,
    high-paid crook-lawyers do their best to "untouchable"
    received a ridiculous term under the article "Fraud", and soon came out on parole.
    As Hasek wrote in the novel about the quartermasters, cooks and others in the Austrian army:
    - "We steal, brothers ..." And they steal from us at a completely different level - the state ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 December 2015 16: 01
      +5
      Quote: sever.56
      Well, the plague ...

      Who?
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    2. RBLip
      RBLip 23 December 2015 16: 04
      +8
      Quote: sever.56
      Well, the plague ...

      , for justice ........ Vasiliev’s neighbor, the campaign.
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    3. Juborg
      Juborg 23 December 2015 16: 05
      +43
      If not guilty, then why is the fine imposed? If guilty, then why let go? Either they did not make out the orders of conscience or those who set up the general do not have a conscience. One thing is for sure, in Russia there is no justice, the law is ruled by the strongest who is at the feeding trough.
      1. Temples
        Temples 23 December 2015 16: 17
        +5
        One thing is for sure, in Russia there is no justice, the law is ruled by the strongest who is at the feeding trough.

        Where else?

        That's just a correction -
        Someone gives this feeder to those who feed on it.

        The strongest is not at the trough.
        1. pint45
          pint45 23 December 2015 16: 29
          +4
          The strongest is fed, and his lackeys do what they want.
      2. kayman4
        kayman4 23 December 2015 16: 18
        +8
        In Buryatia, a peasant was given for trying to give a bribe in the amount of 100 rubles to the cops who detained him for drinking and drinking (on foot) - 3 years of general regime
        1. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 16: 42
          +3
          Quote: kayman4
          In Buryatia, a peasant was given for trying to give a bribe in the amount of 100 rubles to the cops who detained him for drinking and drinking (on foot) - 3 years of general regime



          The unfortunate person was tried three times for theft and was on probation. In total, he received 3 years in prison.
      3. Boos
        Boos 23 December 2015 16: 55
        0
        Law of the jungle, Dima Dvorkovich Tobacco ...
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 23 December 2015 17: 30
        0
        Quote: juborg
        If not guilty, then why is the fine imposed? If guilty, then why let go?

        It is difficult, as in all similar cases, to talk about something, not knowing exactly all the circumstances of the case.
        But we have a condescending attitude to high-ranking robbers and corrupt officials.
        For example, Article 20 of the UN Convention against Corruption (Illicit Enrichment) has not yet been ratified.
        Briefly, its meaning is that being "inexplicably" rich is already a crime and there is no need to further prove that, they say, he stole, and not by chance gave millions of dollars.
        What is easier and more efficient?
        But ... While they are probably afraid of thieves. And many legislators and handlers themselves do not like, as the classic wrote, "to let go of what floats into your hands."
      5. zennon
        zennon 23 December 2015 20: 38
        0
        Quote: juborg
        If not guilty, then why is the fine imposed? If guilty, then why let go?

        And he is a little guilty, make-believe ...
    4. shooter18
      shooter18 23 December 2015 16: 28
      +2
      90 thousand !! he has an official sn at times more! funny! in China would have been shot already ..
    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 23 December 2015 16: 29
      0
      They did the right thing to release the combat general. The eccentric did not give a bribe, but a magarych, and for further friendship with families. And then he presented as a bribe. no one demanded money from him. Therefore, there can be no talk of any bribe. The one who issued a warrant for an apartment and set up a man turned out to be rotten. Knowing in advance that the apartment is controversial.
    6. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 23 December 2015 16: 43
      +3
      interesting, and 450tyrov "general" returned?
    7. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 16: 46
      0
      Quote: sever.56
      It was at the suggestion of Dimon that the State Duma adopted such a cunning article as "Fraud".

      You're not right. Art. 147 existed in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR in 1960. This Criminal Code lost its force in 1996 or 1997. At that time, few even knew about VV Putin.
      At the same time read Art. 159 of the Criminal Code.
      And tell me: "Anyway, Medvedev is to blame. request
      1. matross
        matross 23 December 2015 17: 27
        +1
        Well, thank God, at least someone was not too lazy to deal with the "fraud". Medvedev, of course, is a muddy shot, but to hang on him a special introduction to the Criminal Code of the "new" composition is too much. But a tovarisch dilettante from the north spoke loudly ...
        1. corn
          corn 23 December 2015 18: 28
          0
          Quote: matRoss
          someone was not too lazy to figure it out

          I didn’t come to the site to shout slogans, I’m interested in information, not disinformation, but each sheep should hang by its leg, or wear its own horns or eggs. As you like.
      2. corn
        corn 23 December 2015 17: 27
        -1
        "Minusher". Achinea can be carried, but the answer is weak, there is not enough knowledge. no gray matter in the head. I am satisfied. You are silent, then express.
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    9. Wolverine
      Wolverine 23 December 2015 20: 47
      +2
      Well, as in a joke: Dad and his son are walking along the embankment, they see a huge house. The son asks, and what can you trade to make money like this, but the son is sold in the homeland, the motherland ...
  2. Vikings
    Vikings 23 December 2015 16: 02
    +5
    It can be seen that he didn’t please anyone at the top!
    a laugher is ridiculous. Under it, love can be let down. There would be a man and an occasion.
    1. Truth
      Truth 23 December 2015 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: Vikings
      Seen to someone upstairs did not please!

      Probably this "cartridge" does not fit the "Serdyukov-Vasiliev" clip ...
      They stayed with their own, and this plucked like sticky.
      1. Vikings
        Vikings 23 December 2015 16: 24
        +1
        Quote: Truth
        Quote: Vikings
        Seen to someone upstairs did not please!

        Probably this & ayou; cartridge & ayouot; not suitable for clip & yauot; Serdyukov-Vasilyev & yauot; ...
        They stayed with their own, and this plucked like sticky.

        Enta version, has the right to exist .. as well as
        others.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 23 December 2015 16: 32
          0
          That's it, like the others.
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  4. zulus222
    zulus222 23 December 2015 16: 03
    +9
    ALREADY FUNNY BECOMING!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 23 December 2015 16: 32
      +5
      It’s not funny for a long time.
  5. Basarev
    Basarev 23 December 2015 16: 04
    +1
    Maybe they plan to finally reach Serdyukov?
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 23 December 2015 16: 48
      +6
      Get and reward?
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 16: 55
      +4
      Quote: Basarev
      Maybe they plan to finally reach Serdyukov?

      Well, yes, a fine of 500 rubles is soldered. lol
  6. Vadim12
    Vadim12 23 December 2015 16: 04
    +2
    It is unclear, but the titles and awards returned or not?
    1. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 17: 06
      +1
      Art. 159 falls under serious. They may not be returned; the sentence needs to be seen.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 23 December 2015 16: 04
    +9
    Serdyukov’s case lives and prospers !!!
    Prisons in Russia would be empty in half an hour if it was possible to replace the 5-year prison colony with 90 thousand rubles. To see a little of them is blasphemed by the Echo of Moscow, here's another reason!
  8. Tjeck
    Tjeck 23 December 2015 16: 05
    +6
    Hmm .. took 450, gave 90 = profit. although I don’t understand, the commander-in-chief should not have a small salary.
    1. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 16: 15
      +1
      Quote: Tjeck
      the commander-in-chief's salary should not be small.

      Type in the search line "Calculator of monetary allowance (or maintenance) of military personnel, find the site of nachfininfo and your curiosity will be satisfied (to some extent). There is also a calculation of the pension, with mine it did not agree with a whole ruble. Use it.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 17: 03
        +1
        Quote: corn
        find the site nachfininfo and your curiosity will be satisfied (to some extent).

        Not satisfied. The source data for the calculation is not enough. There are a whole bunch of bonuses, and each in the amount of 10 to 30% of the salary. As a result, it can be 50000 rubles, and maybe 500000 rubles. hi
        1. corn
          corn 23 December 2015 17: 39
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Not satisfied.

          Excuse me. You yourself quoted me: to some extent. There may be up to 100% allowances. I found in the internet how much they pay a month to senior officials in the state. I do not know your income, but there is no comparison with mine; Shoigu - less than 500 tyrov (like the Minister of Defense). I think you will not demand from me where I got this. It’s bad to count other people's money, but a general of this level has 200 plus or minus fifty. These are my grades.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 18: 16
            0
            Quote: corn
            I do not know your income

            I have nothing to hide - 18t.rub. laughing
            Quote: corn
            There may be up to 100% allowances

            More, there are types of allowances as much as 11 pieces, and for each percentage.
  9. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 23 December 2015 16: 06
    +9
    Quote: Tjeck
    Hmm .. took 450, gave 90 = profit.

    They say correctly, they’re planting not those who steal, but those who do not share. I would have shared it earlier and there was no scandal. Zheglov’s words that the thief should be in prison will remain fiction.
    1. Tjeck
      Tjeck 23 December 2015 16: 32
      +3
      I agree. Although, in principle, I am in favor of putting all sorts of shoplifting, etc., in the administrative section of the poor. But when the `` first falcons '' of the country go away from criminal punishment, it becomes sad.
  10. Federal
    Federal 23 December 2015 16: 10
    +5
    I do not believe that the general will exchange for this! The intrigue of pure water, the general prevented someone in a future career, or even prevented anyone at all. No need to condemn a person without knowing all the nuances, otherwise you can go far with accusations against him.
    1. zulus222
      zulus222 23 December 2015 16: 18
      +4
      I agree! we have no information. as they say we are not in the subject.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 17: 07
      +2
      Quote: Federal
      I do not believe that the general will exchange for this!

      Why? In the 90s, the MO traded posts with a bang. Yes, and in the early 2000s, too. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs the same. And just those who bought the posts are now in service.
      So I would not promise. hi
      1. Federal
        Federal 23 December 2015 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Why? In the 90s, the MO traded posts with a bang. Yes, and in the early 2000s, too. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs the same. And just those who bought the posts are now in service.
        So I would not promise.

        Igor, I understand you perfectly, your indignation about this, too, but the commander in chief whose salary is more than a bribe is unlikely to spoil his reputation and get dirty, this is a setup of clean water, maybe he helped his former subordinate get an apartment, but money from him , this is my personal opinion, I would not take it. Something is wrong here, some link is missing ...
        ... he was sentenced to five years in a colony on charges of receiving a bribe in the amount of 450 thousand rubles, allegedly for helping a former soldier to get a one-room apartment.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 18: 10
          +1
          Quote: Federal
          Something is wrong here, some link is missing ...

          I do not exclude either one or the other. requestEverything can be. The same Shoigu praised by all now when he was Minister of Emergencies was not a saint either.
          Victor - hi
    3. gudgeon
      gudgeon 23 December 2015 18: 09
      +5
      Quote: Federal
      I do not believe that the general will exchange for this! The intrigue of pure water, the general prevented someone in a future career, or even prevented anyone at all. No need to condemn a person without knowing all the nuances, otherwise you can go far with accusations against him.

      I agree with you. At VO there was already an article about this incident. If you believe the investigation, then
      Chirkin was found guilty of receiving a bribe in the amount of 450 thousand rubles, which a senior official in my time gave a former soldier to obtain a one-room apartment in Moscow.
      .
      Any opera who has ever documented a bribe will say that there is no "bribe" without being caught red-handed on the money, this is nonsense. And only a few years later to prove it, and even more so - to condemn for it ... It's a very "muddy" story.
  11. basy66
    basy66 23 December 2015 16: 21
    +2
    Long live the Russian court! The most humane court in the world! Hooray comrades!
  12. Shpagolom
    Shpagolom 23 December 2015 16: 25
    +3
    ... It's a shame for our justice, but we will persistently pray to the supreme leaders, the question is when there will be order, how to "finish off" all this mess &
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 23 December 2015 16: 26
    +1
    The rich have their own laws!
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 23 December 2015 17: 25
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      The rich have their own laws!

      They do not live by the laws, but by the concepts. A big difference!
  14. FIREMAN
    FIREMAN 23 December 2015 16: 26
    +7
    retrain Chirkin’s actions from clause 5 of part 5 of article 290 to part 3 of article 159 (“Fraud”)

    This is not the point. The retraining suggests that it was not possible to prove a bribe or mediation in it (it is not the head of the apartment himself who gives), therefore, it was reduced to the fact that he was trying to take possession of the money by deception. To reveal other people in the "scheme" - even if it exists, is more dear to him, besides this fact, others may also emerge. This is the arithmetic. And about the "provocation", bullshit, you can't just come to the CHIEF with such accusations (the fact of the transfer was most likely thoroughly documented, both video and audio), and the meeting with the "giver" was not the only one.
    1. cobalt
      cobalt 23 December 2015 22: 17
      0
      You correctly explained the question of the reasons for the retraining, but it is not the retraining that confuses me so much, it takes place in similar cases, as the applied sanction, because in addition to the fine in Part 3 of Art. 159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation provides for punishment in the form of imprisonment up to 6 years, why not leave him imprisonment, at least 3-4 years, apparently "decided" on this matter. In general, military courts are a separate topic of justice and injustice.
  15. Evgeny Petrovich
    Evgeny Petrovich 23 December 2015 16: 27
    +3
    My opinion is that it is a setup. Most likely he was interfering with someone. And with such a position, 450 thousand is his wife's hats.
    1. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 17: 09
      0
      Quote: Evgeny Petrovich
      wife on hats.

      In the original "on pins". And about the size - this is more than two months of this man's allowance.
  16. Pereira
    Pereira 23 December 2015 16: 27
    +1
    Druzhban Vasilyeva? The sixth column does not abandon its own.
  17. Valter1364
    Valter1364 23 December 2015 16: 29
    +2
    If you come across again, I propose to restore the title and return the rewards. soldier
  18. Rosty
    Rosty 23 December 2015 16: 31
    +2
    If you are fined, then give a 9x18 cartridge for change. And promise to bury with honors. There was such a good tradition in the army ... But seriously, it’s high time to return the confiscation of property
    1. swertalf
      swertalf 23 December 2015 16: 46
      +1
      The confiscation of property was canceled, because this type of punishment, even in the Soviet Union, practically did not work. Everything was mapped in advance to relatives. I myself got acquainted with the case of those years, where the bribe-taker was eventually able to confiscate an old leather jacket of a penny value.
      1. Cobra77
        Cobra77 23 December 2015 18: 25
        0
        Quote: swertalf
        The confiscation of property was canceled, because this type of punishment, even in the Soviet Union, practically did not work. Everything was mapped in advance to relatives. I myself got acquainted with the case of those years, where the bribe-taker was eventually able to confiscate an old leather jacket of a penny value.


        It's easy to fix. Add to the law the obligatory confirmation of the source of funds for which this or that property was purchased with a value higher than a certain one. If you can't provide it - the state arrests him until you can confirm the legality of the funds. I couldn't for a year - confiscation. This does not completely cure the disease, but reduces by an order of magnitude. For officials, it is generally worth introducing the concept of "presumption of guilt". But for this, the guarantor and the thought must want to solve the problem, and not engage in imitation.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 23 December 2015 17: 32
      +1
      Quote: Rosty
      it's time to return the confiscation of property

      This question was asked to our adored Duma members, and so more than half were categorically AGAINST. Means one thing - the fish rots from the head! Yes, and our "Guarantor" says that we are not giving up ours. And what is copied to relatives, friends of a godfather or a matchmaker - if you wish, you can find it very much, and quickly!
  19. Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 23 December 2015 16: 37
    +2
    It seems to me framed. The reason will remain unknown. therefore, the graphics were written out symbolic, that he thought better of it, on time. It’s safer to keep young people around you, with lure hands and foremen by education, that would sleep peacefully. Why, there, as they say, I don’t live to be fat.
  20. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 23 December 2015 16: 38
    0
    After such release, he must be sent to war to atone for guilt.
  21. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 23 December 2015 16: 41
    +1
    recourse Yeah. Now we need to return the awards and assign to the General Staff to command. Ugh b ...
  22. voronbel53
    voronbel53 23 December 2015 16: 44
    +5
    Do not understand whether it is guilty or not. If he took a bribe, then why was he given so little, and if he didn’t, why was he fined? Or are there such "objective" reasons when it is possible, if desired, to rotate the article this way and that, as it is beneficial to someone? Did he pay the fine from those 450 thousand or from his own money? One thing I realized is that an ordinary person under any circumstances would be much worse and there would not be such a circus in court ... Instead of a hundredfold fine, they were reduced five hundred times, - miracles ...
  23. moskowit
    moskowit 23 December 2015 16: 45
    +3
    Instantly, our "justice" goes to meet the wishes of those in power. Who announced that a fine can be paid for economic crimes?
    So, if 90 thousand (the equivalent of the monthly salary of an engineer in Moscow) is divided by the 5-year term, then you get 49 rubles 31,5 pennies per day. The exceptional amount of punishment. Keep it up!
    1. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: moskowit
      the equivalent of the monthly salary of an engineer in Moscow

      Not a damn thing about the salary of an engineer in Moscow !!!
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 23 December 2015 17: 35
        0
        Quote: corn
        Not a damn thing about the salary of an engineer in Moscow !!!

        Moscow is not Russia! It has been known for a long time, only for some reason you did not know about it. Holy simplicity!
        1. not a Jew
          not a Jew 23 December 2015 18: 27
          -1
          Quote: Saratoga833
          Moscow is not Russia!

          Exactly. MKADysh they. Living in their cozy little world created with money from all over Russia.
        2. corn
          corn 23 December 2015 18: 32
          0
          Quote: Saratoga833
          Holy simplicity!

          I just did not understand what the Muscovite wanted to say.
          Personally, I know what the average salary is in Moscow and Mukhos ... ske.
  24. Vityok
    Vityok 23 December 2015 16: 54
    +2
    I will not judge guilty, not guilty, but the feeling in my soul is lousy. It seems that we have one constitution, according to it, everyone is equal before the law, but in reality it turns out ... Before there was a "Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army," and now there is a workers 'and peasants' prison. "This is how the speech from the film" Prisoner of the Caucasus "comes to mind - Long live our court, the most humane in the world! " recourse
  25. sw6513
    sw6513 23 December 2015 16: 55
    +1
    In vain voiced, only people against the set up.
  26. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 December 2015 16: 57
    +1
    That is who lives in Russia well. winked Fraudsters
  27. vo3
    vo3 23 December 2015 17: 02
    -6
    I, as your interlocutor, have always treated Soviet and later Russian generals very badly. I will explain why, a modern commander of the highest rank, who bears special personal responsibility for the combat readiness of a part of the army, is in the position of a person whose feet are on fire. Our army is not ready for modern war. We do not know how and we do not know how to find the enemy troops on the battlefield, in the theater of operations, and so on ... We have cool weapons, we have good specialists who manage this technique, we have already learned control of troops. But we do not know where the enemy is, where to shoot ... There are a lot of exercises where the enemy is destroyed. And where are the exercises how to find him? The most interesting thing is that this issue is not raised in
    society. There is no audible concern from the command. Everyone is waiting for Putin or Shoigu to talk about it.
    PROFESSIONALISM of generals should be in first place. A bribe in the amount of one salary of Amer’s general per month and 1 years in prison. Nobody cares what kind of general this is. And is there at least 25 general in Russia now? ... Name at least one honest authoritative general with his opinion with an active position with a vision of prospects. Some fools and ... half-bent clowns ... Object ....
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 23 December 2015 17: 11
      +4
      Why would? They inflicted a blizzard and here you "object". And it is necessary to object to a dummy?
    2. corn
      corn 23 December 2015 17: 16
      +3
      Quote: vo3
      But we don’t know where the enemy is, where to shoot ...

      The one who speaks for everyone, as a rule, is not able to answer even for one himself, which you confirm to all your comments. Do you have a decent military education (and so you can create your own opinion)? Or believe the scribbler on any site?
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2015 23: 35
      +1
      Quote: vo3
      Name at least one honest authoritative general with your opinion with an active position with a vision of prospects. Some fools and ... half-bent clowns ..

      General Ivashov, Admiral Popov.
  28. Koshak
    Koshak 23 December 2015 17: 21
    +2
    Quote: voronbel53
    If you took a bribe, then why did you give so little, and if you didn’t take, what is the fine for?

    And why then to report such news?
  29. kapitan92
    kapitan92 23 December 2015 17: 22
    +8
    I remember in Soviet times there was an article of the Criminal Code of the USSR 93, for example, it said that for embezzlement of budget funds in especially large ones from 15 years and above (read execution). When the "democrats" came, this article was removed first of all!
  30. afrikanez
    afrikanez 23 December 2015 17: 32
    +2
    Well, here’s another confirmation that the criminal code is just like refereeing, which cannot be opposed to high ranks. In fact, lawlessness and more.
  31. fa2998
    fa2998 23 December 2015 17: 58
    0
    Quote: juborg
    If not guilty, then why is the fine imposed? If guilty, then why let go?

    He is completely guilty of the penalty in court! He was released and escaped with a fine, because ELITA is not 37 years old either. And the profit remained - the penalty is 5 times less than a bribe. Our courts are incorruptible and impartial !!! laughing fellow hi
  32. Cobra77
    Cobra77 23 December 2015 18: 09
    +4
    The system has finally learned to forgive. :) It's pi .... simple. Well, by God, it would be better if they didn’t even judge at all then than that. This is a fact of spitting on the country, on the judicial system, on everything. Although after the amnesty of Serdyukov and UDO Vasilyeva this is not even impressive.
  33. 1536
    1536 23 December 2015 18: 31
    +1
    On the face of progress, because before they gave 90 thousand severance pay and saw off to retirement. A man dug in some "council of veterans" and continued to occupy himself with his favorite "business." And today it is only left to drink too much. Although not a fact. They can hire a corruption expert in some fund or bank.
  34. Boatswain
    Boatswain 23 December 2015 18: 34
    +2
    Dear VO old-timers! You are certainly right in your lamentations about the imperfection of the judicial system and political distortions, but there is one thing. I happened to serve under the command of Colonel Vladimir Valentinovich Chirkin, and to be honest, I am very glad that he will not have to serve time in a colony. I will not speak for everyone, but I remember him as a very intelligent person, a competent commander, who surprised by his kind attitude towards officers and soldiers. There were commanders before and after him in the 42nd Guards Evpatoria Division, but he was the best. It was calm from the fact that everyone knew that our commander was a serious and competent man and he wouldn’t fool around for nothing. In general, I have a big suspicion that it was simply drained to free up space. Well, a general cannot be a saint in such a position. The system itself will simply not allow it. Everybody breaks the law, and if Mr. Serdyukov and his mistress Vasilyeva were really worthy of the "watch" for their pranks, but now they are walking free, why did you attack a normal military officer like that ?! Now minus. If you yourself are without sin
    1. cayman gene
      cayman gene 23 December 2015 19: 01
      +7
      Uv.Botsman, no one disputes the merits of the General, but if the crime is committed, responsibility must be borne without regard to the merits. Madame Themis, if you remember, is blindfolded. that's just 90 thousand is not money. 90 thousand Vladimir Valentinovich must pay monthly until his bright end. if you forgive high-ranking bribe thieves, then the people will not have confidence in the authorities.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 24 December 2015 07: 49
        -3
        Nobody caught Chirkin by the hand. The whole case was concocted on the testimony of two of his subordinates and the so-called "terpily" who was thrown by these same subordinates. He knew one by the name of Nechaev personally. And yet, yes, he will sell his mother, just so that he touched.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 23 December 2015 22: 33
      +4
      Dear Boatswain! The question is purely rhetorical, but you did not serve as a political officer !?
      But what about Gleb Zheglov- "A thief should be in prison"!
      You say the system will not allow it, or maybe it was necessary to remove officer weather or the severity of the stars prevented this. But what about officer honor?
      There is always a way out, if you want to go out!
      1. Boatswain
        Boatswain 23 December 2015 23: 23
        0
        No, not a political officer. The prefix to the title was "medical service". As for the quote from Gleb Yegorovich, I am quoting myself: "I am sorry - put me in prison, I agree with that, but there must be state interests as well, you cannot omit the generals like that." That's right, an officer's honor. Have you forgotten how in 2002-2006 in St. Petersburg they beat those in uniform in the subway? When the military cars at the Varshavsky railway station were unloading what to collect for food? When did the cadets faint in hunger at lectures? Where were these wonderful concepts then? Want to bring back those glorious times. Now the military walk deservedly with their heads raised, proudly. There has always been a rule. Do not give your own in offense - at least erase a subordinate yourself, but beat off someone else's. Why was it impossible not to make noise and inflate harassment in the media? I'm not against the fight against corruption. I am for not taking dirty linen in public. Who needs the Commander-in-Chief of the SV to be a laughing stock? That's what I mean. Sorry for the confusion.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 24 December 2015 01: 36
          +5
          ...... "the generals cannot be omitted like that" ...
          The generals sometimes lowers themselves to "cant": Kvashnin, Makarov, Postnikov
          ..... "When the cadets fainted in hunger at the lectures? Where were these wonderful concepts then? Do you want to return those glorious times" ......
          No I do not want to! Cadets say, the whole country was cancer!
          ... .. "Why it was impossible not to make noise and not inflate bullying in the media? Well, I'm not against the fight against corruption. I am for the fact that dirty linen is not taken out in public. Who needs the Commander-in-Chief of the Army to be a laughing stock?" ...
          As I understand you, if a general for jo "was taken for theft or a bribe, he should be quietly fined and released. He is a general !!!!!
          That's how the country and pumped. In China, your general would be publicly shot at the stadium so that others would not be disgraced.
  35. lukke
    lukke 23 December 2015 18: 51
    +2
    Alright with Chirkin, he at least risked his life for the sake of the country and, until a certain moment, lived without excesses like any military man ... I’m personally happy with this beloved character)
    speaking at a New Year's corporate party, Chubais said: "We have a lot of money." "There are just a lot of them, - the head of the corporation continued. - And that is why we have the opportunity not only to" handle "big money, but also to invest it in our long-term strategy!"
    1. cayman gene
      cayman gene 23 December 2015 19: 15
      +6
      Quote: lukke
      Alright with Chirkin

      no, it’s not okay, or the law is one for all, or the country will go along the dumb Hohlyak corruption path. caught-Chirkin, start with Chirkin.
      1. lukke
        lukke 24 December 2015 13: 40
        0
        or the law is one for all, or the country will go along the dumb hohlyatsky corruption path
        I completely agree with you, but it turns out that we are eager to plant a military general for (not quite proven damage to the price of the apartment) and release Madame, who stole a thousand of such apartments ?! Against her background, he is an angel. That's when we start from the first persons - then we will not make discounts on military or other merits, but now I personally do not care about this general (after an honest toldyan Serdyukov and his women)
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  36. Thor
    Thor 23 December 2015 18: 57
    +2
    Mdaaa, nothing changes, with such a fight against corruption there’s nothing more to talk about, it’s already something ordinary: stole-caught-UDO !! Well for a certain flight of people! The district doctor would already be sitting !!!
    PS I would like to emphasize, "I don't rock the boat" !!!
  37. vo3
    vo3 23 December 2015 19: 59
    +1
    We have a Ukrainian scenario at times. Where are the faithful people around Putin who are ready to take responsibility, on whom he can rely and convicted of full power and capabilities? The top is not a platoon of soldiers, where any soldier is changed at a time. You have no irreplaceable, all are equal and we will get dill. Wait for Serdyukov. You can’t let anyone go close to any public service.
  38. vo3
    vo3 23 December 2015 20: 14
    0
    If this ex-commander is a stupid person, then how did he get there? After all, this is the deputy chief of the General Staff, not a simple man. And if all the stupid people, then how? This is a state-of-the-art emergency. It's not just a scandal, not just a bribe. You understand what happened.
  39. Boatswain
    Boatswain 23 December 2015 20: 41
    -1
    Dear delegate of the All-Army Congress of Representatives of Officer Assemblies in Moscow in 1988 (see the commentary on the article - the Turkish invasion of December 09.12.2015, 3), he is vo9! Let me clarify what language you translate your comments from Google? I’m ready to admit that I’m a stupid person, but I don’t understand what you are talking about. Contradict yourself, and punctuation is a mystery to you. And in general, what happened in your life on December XNUMX of this year, when you started pouring thoughtful comments on VO? Answering your question in advance, I’ll say that I’m indignant that our wonderful press is beckoning General Chirkin, I personally feel offense for the fate of my military commander, that's why I am writing here for the first time. Any official, even the presidential administration, even the head of the management company of the house in which I live, steals, takes bribes, if only he has the slightest opportunity. This is a SYSTEM. Yes, the court, once sentenced, determined Chirkin's guilt. To the best of the totality of evidence or because of the wretchedness of lawyers. In any case, this is the tragedy and fault of the person - Vladimir Valentinovich Chirkin. And not the Commander in Chief of the Ground Forces. Similar processes damage the image of our long-suffering army. It's to blame - plant, I agree with this, but there should be state interests, you can’t omit the generals like that.
    1. vo3
      vo3 23 December 2015 21: 29
      0
      From Chinese, which is not visible, `` a non-Russian chock. '' Our thoughts coincide, only you are about the private, and I am about the general. Read again ... I was put on the family for six months - bear with it, it will be interesting.
  40. DPN
    DPN 23 December 2015 20: 41
    0
    Everything goes on the principle of their not planting, 90t.r. of those 450t.r. it's crumbs, instead of 5 years I gave an advance and sleep peacefully.
  41. Megatron
    Megatron 23 December 2015 23: 11
    +1
    And the Attorney General Seagull, too, probably "has nothing to do with it."
  42. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 December 2015 00: 30
    0
    Pretty boy. And he would go out to the swamp with a poster, would have raped three colonies without question and amnesty. Here, a respected person simply stole, for this is now awarded orders.
  43. sergant67
    sergant67 24 December 2015 00: 33
    0
    As one well-known character said: "Go yo t !!!
    I suppose that this is some kind of order, some Honduras lacked an apartment .... ??? How muddy it is .... One seems to have been thrown with the apartment at one time, and the second one was thrown at the kukan for helping to "restore justice" .... (as an option) The invoice is not presented for the reason "his name is too well known to be pronounced in hearing!!"
    Though...
    The head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) of Russia Igor Artemyev has proposed the development of an import substitution program for Google products.
    Maybe he and everyone sitting in that house (including a specialist in light bulbs) can replace their brains with nanoclysters ...
  44. Linkin
    Linkin 24 December 2015 02: 13
    0
    as the saying goes, the more I stole the less I sit ...
  45. Hammer
    Hammer 24 December 2015 05: 52
    0
    Well, comrades, we are moving in the right direction! First, Serdyukov with Vasilyeva, then Horoshavin, then a seagull, now this! And they think, I suppose, that the people will continue to wipe themselves. With such a wonderful fight against corruption, we will soon be satisfied with the Maidan.
  46. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 24 December 2015 07: 41
    0
    Quote: Federal
    I do not believe that the general will exchange for this! The intrigue of pure water, the general prevented someone in a future career, or even prevented anyone at all. No need to condemn a person without knowing all the nuances, otherwise you can go far with accusations against him.

    I support! General Chirkin is an honest man. All those who served under his command will say about it. He was framed by his own subordinates, having made a deal with the investigation and blaming all their sins on him, thereby "got out of the water dry." Do not be lazy and google how on in fact, everything was.
  47. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 24 December 2015 09: 04
    0
    Quote: corn
    Quote: moskowit
    the equivalent of the monthly salary of an engineer in Moscow

    Not a damn thing about the salary of an engineer in Moscow !!!

    This is where such a salary? In Gazprom chtoli? I work in Moscow as an engineer in the military-industrial complex, a salary of 45 tr. Maybe the chief engineer, then yes. The chief engineer can get more, and not only in Moscow.