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Garlic Crisis, or Imaginary Numbers of the Domestic Economy

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During his big press conference, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that one of those moments that should be attributed to a certain positive in the Russian economy against the background, to put it mildly, of the difficult general situation in the financial and economic segment, is a significant decrease in outflow volumes capital abroad. Preliminary data for 2015 year suggests that about 58 billion has flowed from the Russian harbor to other banks. So this is a huge amount - what is presidential optimism based on?


The fact is that last year the amount of capital outflow from Russia amounted to more than 148 billion dollars, almost a third exceeded the average for the previous 10 years. The financial system of Russia from 2004 to 2013 year (inclusive) lost an average of 104-105 billion dollars annually, and this is more than 30 more than the amount of funds that are currently placed in the National Welfare Fund (NWF) of Russia. In other words, in the specified period of time, the treasury of Russia lost 13-14 "NWF"!

It is quite clear that if at least half of these funds remained in Russia, then we would not have to talk about any kind of overcoming of the next economic crisis. But, as they say, did not grow together - the capital of hundreds of billions annually left Russia, and therefore we have what we have ...

If one pushes oneself purely from the statistical indicators of capital outflows, then there is something positive. A threefold reduction in capital outflows compared with the previous year is quite a positive phenomenon. However, the positive here looks a little sly. After all, it’s vigorously rejoicing over the withdrawal abroad on the “black” and “gray” routes of 58 billion instead of 104-105 (or 148, as in 2014) dollars - this is from the same series that rejoice over the following: “I used to be stolen 104 pocket bills, and now only 58. ” At the same time, the whole point is that stealing out of your pockets has become less, not because thieves have become more honest, but because you don’t wander around in this pocket, for example, in 2012 or 2013 (in dollar equivalent). And there are reasons for reducing the amount of funds. They are very, very commonplace.

If at the beginning of 2014, the dollar was 33-35 rubles, today it is already more than 71 rubles. And if we take into account that the profits of those who take the money over the hill are received in rubles (if illegal enrichment can be called profit at all), then the transfer of funds into dollars will lead to 2012-2013's figures. That is, the decline in capital outflows is very likely due to the fact that the dollar has risen against the ruble. After all, if you translate the same 58 billion into rubles at the current rate, then it is about the same amount of funds (and even more), which is equivalent to the mentioned 104-105 billions of dollars at the rate of the year 2013. In other words, the dollar outflow seems to have decreased, but the ruble one has grown ... In this case, the question of positivity in this situation hangs in the air, especially if we consider that the national currency in Russia is still the Russian ruble, and not the US dollar ...

Garlic Crisis, or Imaginary Numbers of the Domestic Economy


The most interesting thing here is how Moscow skillfully works with numbers. If capital outflows are considered exclusively in dollars, then the dynamics of savings in the National Wealth Fund are in rubles, and in dollars, plus, in percentage of GDP. Ministry of Finance, publishing chart changes in the NWF content index, suggests that the fund even “grew up” in relation to GDP - by 1% of GDP for the year. At the same time, the fact that GDP itself fell by more than 3,5% in 2015 was modestly lowered.

So, you can imagine a picture of this kind of reporting: a paper is placed on the table of the president in which it is written in black and white: the outflow of capital for the year decreased almost threefold, and the level of savings in the State Fund increased by 1% of GDP ... So with Such reporting can not only boldly speak about overcoming the peak of the crisis, but also completely start dancing with joy. And here comes the rhetorical question: either the president by naivety relies only on, to put it mildly, the original reports of the Ministry of Finance and “does not dig deeper”, or puts such “support” for himself only because it is more convenient to rely on it by definition ... After all to rely on real, rather than otmanipulirovannye figures, then the same will have to explain what equivalent and objective expression of the same outflow or “inflow” in question. And if you focus on real numbers, you will have to admit that the peak of the crisis has not even been completely passed ...

On the one hand, attempts to expose the economic situation in a pink color are understandable - it seems that there is no need to allow panic, people should feel stability, be more restrained. But on the other hand, will this not contribute to lulling the public at a time when the ship named the Russian economy got a hole in the reef? After all, if there was a “reef”, then it seems that it would be better to present a real plan to eliminate the leak and to call upon the public and, most importantly, the government forces (in this case, perhaps, you can’t do without a stick) to implement this plan. Present the plan and call for its implementation, and not try to declare that the water pouring into the holds is only a reason to “temporarily” climb to the upper deck and expect that the hole in the hull will be drawn out by itself, based on their probability theory ...

When with garlic people, there are much more chances to solve the problem, because there is more constructiveness and more truth. And cries in two opposite styles from "Do not rock the boat" to "Everything is gone, it's time to get out of this country!" have never led either to constructiveness, nor to the full-fledged, and not declarative, exit of Russia from crisis situations.
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  1. Aleksander
    Aleksander 23 December 2015 06: 13 New
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    During his major press conference, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced //


    that the government as a whole is pleased. And this is AWESOME ....
    Why is capital outflow allowed abroad? Why is there only a statement crimeWhere is the STATE? This is what GDP should answer ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 23 December 2015 06: 28 New
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      Quote: Aleksander
      Why is capital outflow allowed abroad?

      Unanswered question ...
      But as the manna of heaven await mythical investments!
      1. qwert
        qwert 23 December 2015 07: 11 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        But as the manna of heaven await mythical investments!
        The source of investment should be the excess incomes of oligarchs and officials. It is high time to use these sources to revive the country's economy. For one salary Miller, you can pull out of the pit the whole city.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 23 December 2015 08: 21 New
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          In connection with the figures given in our economic indicators, including in the speeches of President Putin V.V., it was recalled that "there is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are statistics."
          The thing is that almost any digital reporting data of any activity at the request of a person who wishes to receive a favorable, neutral and negative assessment of activity in statistics can be obtained.
          It all depends on the skill of working with these numbers and the task that is assigned to him from a senior managerial rank.
          The criterion for checking all these "statistics" is the real life of the people of Russia, prices in stores and the real salary of people, the falling ruble to dollar rate.
          1. Jack-b
            Jack-b 23 December 2015 18: 09 New
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            Quote: vladimirZ
            It all depends on the skill working with these numbers and tasks

            I read the article, read your comment. And it all begs the question: who plays with these numbers? Where do the figures come from in the article? You wrote so well about this but nothing concrete. Are you aware of how the inflow / outflow of capital is actually calculated? I tried to google it. The first thing naturally found by the wiki: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital Escape. Curiously, the table from the wiki did not confirm the author’s data that every year from the Russian Federation leaks for 100bn and more. Moreover, 2006 and 2008 had an influx of 41 and 82 billion, respectively. Further googling led to the understanding that almost every country has its own methods for calculating the movement of capital. Although there are recommendations from the World Bank in this regard. And on this occasion there is a curious article in Forbes: http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/finansy/231099-mify-ob-ottoke-kapitala-skolko-dene
            g-realno-vyvodyat-iz-rossii. Although it’s old, it’s: firstly, its data coincides with the data from the wiki. Secondly, it is said that this data is the data of the Central Bank, calculated by a technique that can hardly be called correct. I advise you to read the details in the article. They recommend a more correct methodology according to the very recommendation of the WB. And what's funny: the data calculated by this technique is several times smaller than the data of the Central Bank. So instead of an outflow of 80 billion, only 32 is obtained. And so for all years. True, and the inflow turned out less, not the same as that of the Central Bank. So if you compare the data calculated by the Central Bank and the data in the article, then they differ significantly. And the WB data is even an order of magnitude.

            ATTENTION QUESTION: For what purpose does the author of the article manipulate numbers?
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 23 December 2015 19: 56 New
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              And it all begs the question: who plays with these numbers?
              - jack-b

              He plays with numbers, instead of getting a truly objective picture of the ongoing economic processes, first of all, those who want to benefit from this.
              Political or economic benefit, it depends on who needs it and why.
              For this purpose, various methods of accounting for estimated indicators can be used, ignoring or vice versa involving various sources in the accounting, in this case, the outflow and inflow of currency. And from this, different results of calculations are obtained.
              Who benefits from this?
              First of all, the authorities, in order to conceal the failed economic processes taking place in Russia, to calm the people from unrest and active opposition to the liberal economic policy pursued by the ruling liberal party United Russia and the liberal government led by it, led by its formal political leader D. Medvedev.
              This is also beneficial for those connected with the authorities, oligarchic circles, banking and financially speculative players who want to pursue the policy of robbing Russia for an infinitely long time for their enrichment.
              1. Jack-b
                Jack-b 24 December 2015 05: 42 New
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                Quote: vladimirZ
                Who benefits from this?
                First of all, the authorities, in order to conceal the failed economic processes taking place in Russia

                The Central Bank shows the outflow of $ 80 billion. And the WB at the same time shows an outflow of $ 32 billion. Why does the Central Bank increase the outflow figure? What is the benefit to him? Or the smaller the outflow, the better the government works? Those. giant outflow figures are government successes? Of course not. Then why does the Central Bank not consider according to the WB methodology, which yields significantly lower indicators? And where does the author have figures many times greater than those of the Central Bank?
                Something does not converge in this logic. Do not find? I do not know what. But one of them is lying. Or all at once. But the position of the Central Bank here is the most "mysterious." He can show numbers less by the method of WB or more by the method of the author of the article. But it does neither one nor the other and maintains a middle ground. What is the benefit of doing so?
                Maybe Putin bought the World Bank, and the enemies were eager to show the failure of the government in the central bank? Or maybe on the contrary, true patriots are sitting in the Central Bank, eager to open our eyes to the enemy government?
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2015 22: 31 New
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            The author claims that numbers are being manipulated, but it can be argued that not only numbers are being manipulated, that consciousness is being manipulated.
            There is a substitution of concepts, black is whitewashed, white is blackened.
            And if, as the author says with the people “for garlic,” then the “urry-moods” will end in the same second, all the ratings will fall to the mark with which they began in 1999.
            And suddenly the depth of that “crevice”, into which we have been steadily moving for 25 long and painful years, is immediately visible.
            But this is if "for garlic."
            In addition, many are opposed to having their TV turned off with a 15-year-old series about prominent political figures.
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 23 December 2015 09: 44 New
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          Quote: qwert
          Miller’s salary can be pulled out of the pit the whole city.

          Just touch. Yes, he emigrates immediately, if there are hints, he leaves the Nord Stream and maybe we suddenly find out that Gazprom or its daughters in Europe are no longer “the property of the people” .. Joint-stock companies are such tricky things ...
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          2. blog
            blog 23 December 2015 10: 32 New
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            And if we take into account that those who withdraw funds over the hill receive profits in rubles (if illicit enrichment can be called profit in general), then transferring funds to dollars will bring them to the indicators for 2012-2013.

            The author is a strange person. For some reason, he suggests that the funds withdrawn abroad are “dirty” money. Such a concept as "foreign investment" is unknown to him. It doesn’t even occur to him that this could be a completely legal withdrawal of the very investments that came earlier. And also a completely legitimate conclusion of profit on these investments. And domestic capital has the right to invest abroad.
            To understand how much the economy of any country is “pumped up” by foreign investment, just look at the data:
            1. Down House
              Down House 23 December 2015 12: 30 New
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              Quote: blogg
              blog

              Brilliantly! hi
              The most interesting thing is that what the “authors” are calling for in Ukraine is already there, the dependence on foreign capital is already less! laughing laughing laughing
              1. Jack-b
                Jack-b 23 December 2015 12: 52 New
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                Quote: Down House
                The most interesting thing is that what the "authors" in Ukraine are calling for is ALREADY

                I'm afraid not. If you are talking about the share of foreign capital, then given the drop in the value of Ukrainian assets and the recent loans received, the share of foreign capital in Ukraine is ever greater.
                1. blog
                  blog 23 December 2015 13: 21 New
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                  Quote: Jack-B
                  If you are talking about the share of foreign capital, then given the drop in the value of Ukrainian assets and the recent loans received, the share of foreign capital in Ukraine is ever greater.

                  Foreign capital, with the exception of those loans, which are also foreign capital, in a foreign country is usually presented in kind. Shares of enterprises, etc. etc. Therefore, it is subject to exactly the same revaluation, with a drop in value, as well as national capital.
                  Moreover, foreign capital in cash (loans) is also vulnerable. They periodically undergo restructuring on unfavorable conditions. And sometimes write-offs, like USSR debts.
                  So, from the depreciation of assets, the share of foreign capital does not increase. And loans, yes, they do. But they are also not given to everyone. And neatly. Primarily.
                2. Down House
                  Down House 23 December 2015 15: 15 New
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                  Quote: Jack-B
                  then the share of foreign capital in Ukraine is ever greater.

                  Here I regularly observe factories built by "Western capital" in the Russian Federation, and willow to you more than ever! lol
            2. gaura
              gaura 23 December 2015 14: 37 New
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              It turns out that only 74% of own funds revolves in the global economy. Reptilians invested their money or what? smile
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              2. blog
                blog 23 December 2015 16: 46 New
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                Quote: gaura
                It turns out only 74% of own funds revolves in the global economy.

                No, snowmen. Do not look at this table. Or look, but first study what the term "donor state" means. And vice versa.
            3. alecsis69
              alecsis69 23 December 2015 17: 15 New
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              By the way, for some reason, the author ignored the president’s words that a significant part of the capital outflow is loan repayment.
            4. Vanko
              Vanko 23 December 2015 20: 55 New
              +1
              To understand how much the economy of any country is “pumped up” by foreign investment, just look at the data: [/ quote]

              For some reason, I did not find Russia on your list. Is everything really that bad?
              1. bannik
                bannik 23 December 2015 23: 04 New
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                48 position.
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        3. zritel
          zritel 23 December 2015 09: 53 New
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          I would put three pluses
        4. Vovan 73
          Vovan 73 23 December 2015 10: 32 New
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          Millerovsky salary. Yes Sechenovskaya, too, would not be enough for a city, there any region of Russia (except Moscow) can be kept there for a year.
        5. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 11: 06 New
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          Quote: qwert
          The source of investment should be the excess income of oligarchs and officials

          The source of investment may be funds invested in T-bills in the United States. More than 80 billion Russia’s ZVF are invested directly in US government bonds (not counting investments in private US companies). Moreover, the United States is not investing in our T-bills. And at the same time, the first persons of the state from the economy lament the outflow of capital.
          Uncle’s wife, he’s up to ... aunt. Ugh! am
        6. Down House
          Down House 23 December 2015 12: 24 New
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          Quote: qwert
          For one Miller’s salary, a whole city can be pulled out of the pit.

          Save Detroit - for Miller’s salary! laughing laughing laughing
        7. varov14
          varov14 23 December 2015 17: 01 New
          +3
          So the whole world licks one place with the Millers. How our establishment differs from the world, only in that it sees a speck in the eyes of others, so we have a log unlike other. Allow to rob their own country, the "patriots", it would be better if they changed their names.
        8. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 23 December 2015 21: 27 New
          +1
          Ahahaha, ridiculed: "the excess income of the oligarchs." They have a redundant condition, because stolen.
      2. Login_Off
        Login_Off 23 December 2015 07: 12 New
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        Do not say that.
        November 22, 2014, the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar was 60.68 rubles.
        I wrote a comment in which I said that in a year the course will return to its level even if there is a temporary decline, and that this has never happened so that the course does not return to its maximum values.
        Exactly a year has passed, here is the result for you ... how much is the dollar now in rubles ???
        However, then I got so many minuses ...
        And by the way, nicherta didn’t get any better, nothing fell in price, and with the exhibition activity in general Tryndets, the wife after NG will be without work. :(
        HOORAY!!! Patriots ... Toli still will be!
        Well, a link to the exchange rate for 2014 from Uentrabank http://www.consultant.ru/law/ref/stavki/kurs-dollar-euro/?utm_campaign=popular&u
        tm_source = google.adwords & utm_medium = cpc & utm_content = dynamic & gclid = Cj0KEQiAhuSzBR
        DBoZfG56bK9-YBEiQARiPcZREEZJ6bLM329r0BddQ-x2grevPHnRM-nur4Zsjg3MoaAoSn8P8HAQ
        1. andj61
          andj61 23 December 2015 08: 26 New
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          Quote: Login_Off
          However, then I got so many minuses ...

          A rare case of a true forecast ... what He turned out to be optimistic! wassat + 100500!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 23 December 2015 09: 09 New
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            And you can remove a couple of zeros again. laughing
            1. heal
              heal 23 December 2015 12: 31 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              And you can remove a couple of zeros again.

              Can. So, in the end, they will. But then you can again tell tales about the "strong and stable" ruble.
          2. Dilshat
            Dilshat 23 December 2015 10: 49 New
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            1. So who is to blame for the fact that the dollar is worth so much now! You login off! lol
            2.All the same, Captain Vrungel’s character was right — As you call the boat, it will float: it’s a ruble and it always will be that way, the dollar comes from the German — thaler means gold. Symbols still matter. I think so.
            1. 2s1122
              2s1122 23 December 2015 11: 53 New
              +1
              And what about the gravel, it posuti means gold jewelry what
              1. alecsis69
                alecsis69 23 December 2015 17: 21 New
                +1
                As far as I remember, the hryvnia was silver, but it was very heavy, and, accordingly, it was very expensive. It was not convenient to buy ordinary goods, even expensive ones, as many purchases were not necessary. On this, pieces, rubles were chopped off from the hryvnia, and they paid for purchases with them. Ukrainian hryvnia is a complete profanity of the present hryvnia.
                1. 15ghost10
                  15ghost10 23 December 2015 19: 55 New
                  +3
                  I'll tell you how. In a normal economy, after a country defaults, the national currency will invariably become cheaper. But the hryvnia is still against the dollar is 24.5-25 UAH. Although its real rate is somewhere around 87-92 UAH. for a dollar. (who an economist knows that an approximate rate can be calculated by the ratio of money supply to gold and foreign exchange reserves). How this course is held in Ukraine I Kh.Z. Despite the fact that gold is no longer in Ukraine. In short, phantasmagoria.
        2. 70BSN
          70BSN 23 December 2015 08: 52 New
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          Good afternoon, why be surprised if in the country F .... And ...... and everyone smiles evenly further.

          1. mark2
            mark2 23 December 2015 10: 15 New
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            Good, you man, Potapenko! was ... now the tax authorities are torturing you. At best, you will escape to Europe. at worst, repeat the path of thousands of perceivers. Those. you sit down.

            what a pity that officials act in their own interests and not in the interests of the state.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 11: 21 New
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              Quote: mark2
              Good, you man, Potapenko!

              Yes, how to say. I mixed honey with gamma, embargo (sanctions) interfere with it. Of course, like the Polish farmers, because he is banal grandmother loses. But globally for Russia it is a CHANCE to raise its production. And here is why this chance is slipping through - I agree with him. hi
            2. Down House
              Down House 23 December 2015 12: 33 New
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              Quote: mark2
              at worst, repeat the path of thousands of perceivers. Those. you sit down.

              Where, where you can look at "them" - I don’t know a single one! laughing
            3. Jack-b
              Jack-b 23 December 2015 16: 08 New
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              Quote: mark2
              Good, you man, Potapenko!

              http://cargomax.livejournal.com/2982.html?nojs=1
        3. anfil
          anfil 23 December 2015 11: 23 New
          +3
          Exactly a year has passed, here is the result for you ... how much is the dollar now in rubles ???
          However, then I got so many minuses ...


          It was borrowed from you last year, now you are repaid "debts" calculate profit lol
        4. heal
          heal 23 December 2015 12: 30 New
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          Quote: Login_Off
          November 22, 2014, the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar was 60.68 rubles.
          I wrote a comment in which I said that in a year the course will return to its level even if there is a temporary decline, and that this has never happened so that the course does not return to its maximum values.
          Exactly a year has passed, here is the result for you ... how much is the dollar now in rubles ???
          However, then I got so many minuses ...

          And those who believe the fairy tales and the fables of the guarantor put minuses.
          Even if oil, by some miracle, costs $ 100-120 per barrel, the ruble will never strengthen to 35 rubles per dollar, moreover, it will never strengthen above 55 rubles per dollar, but I think that 60 rubles more we will not see. Not for that, Putin started a ruble collapse.
          1. blog
            blog 23 December 2015 13: 32 New
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            Quote: heal
            the ruble will never strengthen to 35 rubles per dollar, moreover, it will never strengthen above 55 rubles per dollar, but I think that we will not see 60 rubles per dollar again.

            Watching Merrill Lynch. Where the shaded cells. In theory everything can be.
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      3. anfil
        anfil 23 December 2015 10: 26 New
        +1
        Here's how to count, if you take a loan for the "hill" - this is an inflow of capital, and if you repay debts - this is an outflow of capital (we will keep silent about investments), and consider the difference between these indicators as an inflow or outflow of capital?

        What will be the payment of Russia's total external debt in 2015?

        According to the Central Bank, during 2015. The volume of payments on debts denominated in foreign and national currencies can reach 142,487 billion dollars.
        <...>
        Monthly repayment schedule:
        in October - 8,848 billion dollars (6.990 - the main debt, 1.858 - interest);
        in November - 8,957 billion dollars (7.551 - the main debt, 1.406 - interest);
        in December - 24,605 billion dollars (22,268 - the main debt, 2.337 - interest).

        It remains to add that on January 1 2015. Russia's total external debt amounted to 599,497 billion dollars, having decreased over the past year by 129,367 billion dollars (17,7%).

        link:
        http://global-finances.ru/vyiplatyi-rossii-po-vneshnim-dolgam-v-2015-godu/
      4. guzik007
        guzik007 23 December 2015 10: 41 New
        +2
        Why is capital outflow allowed abroad?
        -----------------------------------------------
        And you logically think, why? and quite legal? and then take a look at the composition of shareholders and owners of the largest companies and then you will understand that these gentlemen are quite legally driven home honestly earned in the Russian market. And in the Kremlin, elbows bite, but they can not do anything.
        1. Down House
          Down House 23 December 2015 15: 22 New
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          Quote: guzik007
          And in the Kremlin, elbows bite, but they can not do anything.

          And in the Kremlin they decide where to spend “interest” on these capitals and are happy that this capital pays a salary to our citizens, and they pay taxes hi
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 December 2015 06: 44 New
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      crisis ... no money ... yeah! We look and listen to Mr. Chubais !!! corporate party you understand ...
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 23 December 2015 08: 42 New
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        “We long and carefully consider the results, summarize, make reports ...” - this is what Rusnano does. The main activity is the calculation of the collected dough and the distribution in pockets.
      2. arnulla
        arnulla 23 December 2015 09: 59 New
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        Some are all the same in Rusnano !!! Retirees are sitting on the water with bread practically, based on current prices. And these fat flows in streams. Yes, and other industries are no better ... No, they can’t redo these nonhumans, they will be warned of fate people and countries are deeply poh. Unfortunately I do not see other methods than punitive. Well, such individuals of another language and other methods of influence do not understand ...
      3. ancient
        ancient 23 December 2015 18: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        ! We look and listen to Mr. Chubais !!! corporate party you understand ...


        Andrew, my friend .. be .. "more attentively" and .. "more carefully" bully
        And in general ... read, periodically, the "new Laws" from .. the State Duma .. there are a lot of things .. "interesting" wassat

        State Duma News: search engines will be fined if they do not remove links to information about some citizens

        The State Duma has adopted a law on fines for Internet search engines for violating the "right to oblivion," Interfax reports. According to the document, the maximum fines for violation will amount to 1 million rubles. instead of the previously proposed 3 million rubles.

        For the first failure to comply with the requirements of the bailiff, the fine, according to the law, will be from 30 thousand to 50 thousand rubles. for citizens and from 80 thousand to 100 thousand rubles. for legal entities. For repeated failure to fulfill the requirements, citizens will be fined 300-500 thousand rubles, legal entities - 800 thousand rubles. up to 1 million rubles.

        The Law on the Right to Oblivion enters into force on January 1. The document consists of amendments to the law "On Information, Information Technologies and the Protection of Information", as well as to the Civil Procedure Code.

        The new law obliges the operator of the Internet search engine at the request of a citizen to stop issuing links to some information about him. In particular, we are talking about irrelevant information (which has lost importance due to subsequent events), false information, as well as information disseminated in violation of the law.

        ссылка - http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/567967b69a7947fb5e1bf120

        Well, what citizens will be the first to run to demand the "right to oblivion" ???? wassat That's right ... they are the most lol
    3. Letun
      Letun 23 December 2015 07: 07 New
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      By the way in this thread. In "Arguments and Facts" last week I read what happens to us this year, according to official figures, the living wage of the population has decreased. On average, somewhere between 400-500 rubles. So according to the official version, we began to live richer smile No, I don’t whine, I understand that oil, sanctions, need to be tolerated and all that, but why frankly lie then why ??? And to whom do they pour it in the ears?
      1. gorefest7777
        gorefest7777 23 December 2015 08: 26 New
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        and we have officials in Russia 2 times more than in the USSR, and so 2 \ 3 of these comrades are scrappers sucking out of their fingers .... to receive bonuses
        1. Down House
          Down House 23 December 2015 12: 36 New
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          Quote: gorefest7777
          and we have 2 times more officials in Russia than in the USSR

          Yes, we have an “economically unprofitable population” that is tens to hundreds of times more than in the USSR — and everyone is sitting on the neck of the State, from “collective farmers” in subsidies to “officials” in a telegraph office — and they would have died of starvation from the hunger , it provides you, but all is not enough for you! request
          1. blog
            blog 23 December 2015 13: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Down House
            from "collective farmers" in subsidies

            At one time, even under the USSR, in the west there was a fund for the economic development of the land. According to him, 70% of the territory of the Russian Federation are unsuitable for housing and unprofitable for investment. I don’t think that since then the climate has somehow changed a lot. And this is for any capital. And for agricultural the territory of profitable investment is probably much smaller.
            1. Down House
              Down House 23 December 2015 15: 30 New
              -4
              Quote: blogg
              According to him, 70% of the territory of the Russian Federation are unsuitable for housing and unprofitable for investment.

              An optimistic forecast, dear - we have "70% of the territories" generally NOT SUITABLE for normal living and investment - it is only here that we "proudly" built cities in permafrost, and in the west in such a climate only if shift workers work - otherwise it is too expensive.
              But the remaining 30% are really unsuitable for housing and investment on a global scale ..
              Quote: blogg
              And for agricultural the territory of profitable investment is probably much smaller.

              S.Kh. it’s generally unprofitable not only in our climate, but in any more or less developed country - only plantations of tropical countries give profit, but we already know the standard of living of the “natives” working there.
              1. navigator
                navigator 23 December 2015 23: 45 New
                0
                Quote: Down House
                “70% of our territories” in our country are NOT SUITABLE for normal living and investments - it’s only here that we “proudly” built cities in permafrost, and in the West in such a climate only if shift workers work - otherwise it is too expensive.


                In Norway, Canada have not been, since you write such nonsense.
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        2. blog
          blog 23 December 2015 13: 55 New
          0
          Quote: gorefest7777
          and we have 2 times more officials in Russia than in the USSR, and 2 \ 3 of these comrades

          And where to put the population? The army will no longer digest. Power structures, too. And it’s expensive to build people there. T.N. business often kirdyk. That's the authorities and create jobs this way. Yes, they pay little. But 850-4900 rubles of unemployment benefits are also not clear.
          1. Down House
            Down House 23 December 2015 16: 04 New
            -2
            Quote: blogg
            And where to put the population?

            Quote: blogg
            That's the authorities and create jobs in this way.

            That's right - the overpopulation crisis has touched us too hi
            And the most interesting thing is that taxpayers who pay for "state employees" and, if possible, DO NOT use their services with their salaries, are much less indignant than the "state employees" themselves fellow
          2. Denis56rus
            Denis56rus 23 December 2015 21: 39 New
            +1
            Try these benefits again!
      2. heal
        heal 23 December 2015 12: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Letun
        No, I do not whine, I understand that oil, sanctions,

        If there were no sanctions, then the guarantor and his comrades would have invented them, since his economic policy has come to a standstill.

        Quote: Letun
        need to be patient and all that

        For some reason, this applies only to ordinary people, the top with the oligarchs are not going to "tolerate and all that".
    4. qwert
      qwert 23 December 2015 07: 08 New
      20
      Hm. How skillfully at the top they play numbers. When you need to give the data in dollars, when it is more beautiful in rubles, then in rubles.
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 December 2015 07: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: qwert
        Hm. How skillfully at the top they play numbers. When you need to give the data in dollars, when it is more beautiful in rubles, then in rubles.

        There is nothing new under the sun.
        I remember at the end of the 70s grain production was first started to be counted in centners. and in the 80s suddenly switched to pounds.
        1. andj61
          andj61 23 December 2015 08: 35 New
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          There is nothing new under the sun.
          I remember at the end of the 70s grain production was first started to be counted in centners. and in the 80s suddenly switched to pounds.

          It also happened in the 70s, for example, when Kazakhstan collected a billion pounds of grain! bully The figure is beautiful, this is not 16 million tons, but a billion! laughing
          And so - the yield was considered in centners, the amount collected - in tons, and sometimes, for beauty - in pounds!
          By the way, in the Bryansk region, the amount of potatoes harvested was considered in tons - 800 thousand tons, 1 million tons, and not in pounds. 1 million tons sounds more than 16 million pounds. It was just twisted propaganda, nothing more. winked
          Greetings, Alexander! hi
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 23 December 2015 08: 38 New
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          I remember at the end of the 70s grain production was first started to be counted in centners. and in the 80s suddenly switched to pounds.

          Praise be to Allah that is not in pounds and bushels. Pood, as sung in the movie "The Mysterious Monk", "he is 16 kilograms." Stability, whatever you say. But you lie, dear. In Ufa, on the "Council of Ministers" square, a poster was set up to alert the "battle for the harvest" and as of October 15, 1977, 2 million 714 thousand tons of grain were collected in the BASSR. Young people can hang any "noodles" on their ears, but you cannot spend the sun's veterans on the chaff.
          1. anfil
            anfil 23 December 2015 10: 41 New
            +6



            Newspaper True 12 August 1960 year p. 3



            Oh, and the old woman is a slammer lol
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 23 December 2015 11: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: anfil
              Oh and to the old woman there is a hole

              You himself feminine enrolled?
              In your picture, the era of the reign of Lysy Kukuruznik is indicated, especially since the word SEMYLETKA is indicated / by the way there is a settlement in "Bashkortostan" with that name /.
              In my “butt” with an opponent, a later era of the so-called "developed socialism", namely the second half of the 80s. And the date and size of the harvest of 1977 are marked. With the advent of the "dear Leonid Ilyich", digitization switched from pounds to Centners and tons. Already at the end of 1969, the mention of the crop volume in pounds sounded a wild anachronism, although it did occur occasionally. As noted by the character "monkey" in the wonderful cartoon "... and in parrots I am much longer ..."
            2. V.ic
              V.ic 23 December 2015 20: 21 New
              0
              Quote: anfil
              Oh, and the old woman is a slammer

              Here's another read the data on the most grain district of Soviet Bashkiria:
              “Under the leadership of Chairman T. S. Nazmiev, collective farmers achieved good results. Thus, in the eighth five-year plan (1966-1970), the average collective grain yield on the collective farm was 26,4 centners, which is 8 centners more than in the previous five-year period."
              http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=15071
              Of course it would have been more in pounds, but until 1971 I myself lived in a neighboring area and on the radio I heard exactly the information that I am now publishing.
        3. 34 region
          34 region 23 December 2015 08: 44 New
          +4
          Is it in Israel switched to pounds? Interesting! We don’t remember that in the 80s they counted in pounds.
        4. mark2
          mark2 23 December 2015 10: 16 New
          0
          Well, in pounds, then it is certainly more. Digitally.
        5. mark2
          mark2 23 December 2015 10: 24 New
          +8
          Yesterday in the news it was reported that GDP will have a new adviser on Internet technologies. They, therefore, calculated how much money revolves in this area. Soon we should expect the appearance of the ministry under this business.
          But I decided to create a site that could possibly bring me some kind of income. Now I don’t know. Is this business worth further development ..
          As Zuckerberg, I clearly will not, especially if I also introduce additional taxes.
          A country that replenishes its budget by increasing taxes is rolled back in its development only back. there can be no talk of any development!
          1. 34 region
            34 region 23 December 2015 10: 47 New
            +7
            Mark2! Soon, probably, in addition to the Internet fee, we will also pay for the maintenance and construction of Internet networks! For the maintenance of electricity will be introduced, Plato introduced. It is also necessary to introduce gas networks, water, heating and sewer systems! Plato has already collected 1,5 billion for a month. One tax benefit! Money comes right away! The cost of admission is minimal! This is a business! And do not need to build anything.
            1. Down House
              Down House 23 December 2015 12: 38 New
              -3
              Quote: 34 region
              Plato introduced

              And they did it right!
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 23 December 2015 22: 38 New
                0
                That's it, and they did it right. But wait for the result. In the form of roads in good condition. You can’t imagine how many grain carriers go to Novorossiysk in summer and autumn! But the road is one and does not correspond to such loads. Stably broken. Lifetime traffic jams. Now they seem to have begun to expand, but there are places where there is simply nowhere to expand - at the entrance to the pass.
        6. heal
          heal 23 December 2015 12: 37 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          I remember at the end of the 70s grain production was first started to be counted in centners. and in the 80s suddenly switched to pounds.

          Not, after all, probably not in the 80s. As far as I remember, all the news about the centners spoke. But after 1991, it may well be.
      2. Down House
        Down House 23 December 2015 12: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: qwert
        How skillfully at the top they play numbers

        Oh come on, opposition journalists "twirl" them so that at the top of envy they only blink fellow
    5. aleks700
      aleks700 23 December 2015 07: 09 New
      14
      This is what GDP should answer ...
      This is what GDP should answer for.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 23 December 2015 07: 18 New
        18
        Grandmas aren’t hard workers and the average business is withdrawing, and big business has grown together with officials and oligarchs, you don’t have to be too smart to know it. That is, those who manage and take part in managing the economy and withdraw money if they would like to punish, would punish, for everyone knows who withdraws money.
        1. gorefest7777
          gorefest7777 23 December 2015 08: 29 New
          +8
          I prefer the super know-how "State Corporation of Small and Medium Businesses" apotheosis however.
    6. andj61
      andj61 23 December 2015 08: 22 New
      17
      Quote: Aleksander
      Why is capital outflow allowed abroad?

      Everything is very simple: LLC "Horns and Hooves" concludes a contract with the Argentine company "Pampa" for the supply of horns and hooves in the amount of 10 million dollars for 2 years. Terms of delivery - prepayment. The passport of the transaction is issued in our bank on the basis of the contract, money is transferred. after two years, the contract is extended for another couple of years - it is possible, but as a result, after 4 years, Horns and Hooves LLC successfully dissolves in the vast expanses of the homeland, the last director and founder is a homeless person who hasn’t seen anything, they gave him a sober bum - that's all! That is, in fact, the money went away 4 years ago, and the bank reports that goods have not been received only after 4 years! In almost the same way, this is the non-receipt of foreign exchange earnings from the export of goods.
      Moreover, it is not entirely correct to talk about the export of such and such amount of capital precisely in this year: capital - or goods - could have been sent several years ago, so the return import of purchased goods - or capital from the sale of this goods - should have arrived in this year, but did not enter. These are, after all, somewhat different things. By the way, on all such facts, cases of administrative offenses are initiated in various parts of Article 15.25 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation, as well as often criminal cases under Article 193 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. That's just find someone and bring to justice is extremely rare.
    7. gorefest7777
      gorefest7777 23 December 2015 08: 23 New
      +8
      capital outflows are not exactly what many people think. This is not money invested in production and not investment, it is formal money, speculative capital, that is, exchange money earned in short positions. so what the Finance Ministry says is infa only for players, and more specifically for brokers.
      1. Down House
        Down House 23 December 2015 12: 40 New
        -4
        Quote: gorefest7777
        it is formal money, speculative capital

        Yes, in general, "in secret", ever-increasing amounts, especially billions, are "virtual" amounts - these are only those who have not even seen a couple of millions in rubles think that the "oligarchs" are sitting on money bags fellow
      2. Silinvv
        Silinvv 24 December 2015 09: 29 New
        +1
        Sorry, you said stupidity!
    8. heal
      heal 23 December 2015 08: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: Aleksander
      Why is capital outflow allowed abroad? Why is there only a statement of crime, where is the STATE?

      And what is the state?

      Quote: Aleksander
      This is what GDP should answer ...

      What for? He is with them, he himself spoke about this many times.
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    10. Million
      Million 23 December 2015 08: 41 New
      14
      Quote: Aleksander
      During his major press conference, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced //


      that the government as a whole is pleased. And this is AWESOME ....
      Why is capital outflow allowed abroad? Why is there only a statement crimeWhere is the STATE? This is what GDP should answer ...

      Option 2: GDP either does not want to stop this disgrace, or cannot
      1. kostik1301
        kostik1301 23 December 2015 09: 19 New
        12
        Yes, GDP is a servant of Chubais, and that he can ......
    11. Recoil
      Recoil 23 December 2015 09: 36 New
      13
      Because this state is the mechanism for withdrawing dough.
      And GDP is leading this process.

      Roundworms despise their carriers. He has no one to answer to.
    12. Silinvv
      Silinvv 23 December 2015 10: 23 New
      +1
      Before you write such nonsense, take and study a macroeconomics textbook, especially a part of the trade balance. The country's trade balance consists of exports and imports. In Russia, exports exceed imports and we have a surplus in the trade balance. In WFP, our trade balance exceeds the US trade balance, which is skewed and deficit, with a large share of borrowings. So capital flight or capital outflow is nothing more than our import of goods and services into Russia, as well as our investment in foreign instruments, as well as our trips abroad and so on. The outflow of capital indicates the share of the country's imports. GDP said exactly the following: this year we reduced imports and maintained exports at the same level, by the way reducing the hydrocarbon component from 74 to 65 percent.
      Learn macroeconomics!
    13. Silinvv
      Silinvv 23 December 2015 10: 45 New
      0
      You wrote complete nonsense. Learn macroeconomics!
    14. Down House
      Down House 23 December 2015 12: 23 New
      -5
      Quote: Aleksander
      Why is capital outflow allowed abroad?

      Because we have a free, capitalist and legal state, which is part of the global financial system! fellow
      Quote: Aleksander
      Why is there only a statement of crime

      Because this is NOT a crime, but a global practice that is fully consistent with international law.
      Do not agree? Let us then consider you a "criminal" if you have anything imported in your property, and for a souvenir from Turkey, you SHOULD Shot like a spy! laughing
      Quote: Aleksander
      where is the state?

      Does what he really needs to do - do not bother him! hi
    15. varov14
      varov14 23 December 2015 16: 49 New
      +2
      Donkeys will never realize that sheep have long been overgrown with wool and should be sheared, but shepherds from other countries are cutting it.
    16. stavr550
      stavr550 23 December 2015 21: 49 New
      0
      And who is real GDP ???
  2. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 23 December 2015 06: 22 New
    13
    The head of state is obliged to encourage his people. Even in such a difficult situation. There have been times in our lives that are much worse and meaner.
    Everyone understands everything, tea is not fools. Actually, we have not got out of the crisis these 25 years. It was just that there were periods when there was money in the country and something was falling over to the people. Then we lived a little better. Now the money is over. So we will again plant potatoes and strawberries at our dachas, everyone always has imaginary numbers in the economy, remember that Bismarck spoke about statistics.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 23 December 2015 08: 52 New
      +2
      Where will we plant potatoes? On the balcony? In the country? But it’s not expensive to keep the cottage? Can you take two crops of gene potatoes !? It will be interesting to know the cost of potatoes. Can I raise pigs and sell manure? Can. Buy a pig, give him a bath, buy dog ​​food ... What are the costs of growing?
    2. uhu189
      uhu189 23 December 2015 09: 18 New
      14
      You do not confuse with 90 mi, then the train ride cost almost nothing, and now if you go out of town on weekends, the potato will become golden ... And not everyone can store it ... It is necessary to live in the village, but then work how?
      1. Burmistr
        Burmistr 23 December 2015 12: 23 New
        +6
        And here a rhetorical question arises: either the president, on naivety, relies only on, to put it mildly, the original reports of the Ministry of Finance and “does not dig deeper”, or sets himself up for such “support” only because it is by definition more convenient to rely on it ...


        ..or he does not understand nichrome in the economy
        because if I understood that probably the country would not fade away in wild capitalism
        1. twviewer
          twviewer 24 December 2015 06: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Burmeister
          or he does not understand nichrome in the economy ...

          Researchers at the Brookings Institution of Washington have found that Putin’s Ph.D. thesis contains significant borrowings from a 1978 Russian translation of a management study called Strategic Planning and Policy, which is authored by professors from the University of Pittsburgh, William King ) and David Cleland.
          The indicated work was allegedly translated into Russian by the “institution close to the KGB” in the early 1990s. Putin has been described as a plagiarist at the NI_MPU level (middle level).
          Vladimir Putin, already a rather high-ranking official in St. Petersburg [in reality, already the deputy head of the Presidential Administration, head of the President’s Main Control Directorate (GKU) - approx. publisher], defended his thesis titled “Strategic planning of the reproduction of the region’s mineral resources base under the conditions of the formation of market relations” [full name - “Strategic planning of the reproduction of the region’s mineral resources base under the conditions of the formation of market relations. St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region” - approx. publisher] at the Mining Institute of St. Petersburg [June 27] in 1997.
          According to Dr. Clifford G. Gaddy of the Brookings Institution, 16 of the 20 pages of text at the beginning of the main chapter of Putin's dissertation work of 218 pages are copied “word for word” or with minimal changes from the corresponding study. Similarly, 6 diagrams and tables from the dissertation are also exceptionally similar to those borrowed from the same. “I have no doubt - it's about plagiarism,” - quotes the publication of the words of Dr. Gaddy.
        2. Dewa1s
          Dewa1s 24 December 2015 13: 56 New
          -1
          Well, where did he go to the local Sharikovs
          So far, in addition to various variations of "take everything, and share," I have not heard anything interesting
    3. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 23 December 2015 14: 33 New
      0
      So we will again plant potatoes and strawberries in their cottages

      A clip from the big difference for the crisis of 2008. [media = http: // https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = MNZWWVkZHjY]
    4. epsilon571
      epsilon571 23 December 2015 16: 16 New
      +1
      Cap.Morgan RU Today
      The head of state should encourage his people


      Change “I” to “a” and then there will be an exact answer in this difficult situation. Yes, we all understand, there were simply periods when we barely made ends meet, and now the money is over ... among the population. Due to taxes and transport high cost, and especially the price of fuel and electricity, cottages become an unjustified luxury for many people.
    5. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 23 December 2015 21: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      There have been times in our lives that are much worse and meaner.

      Well, this is unlikely.
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  3. KOH
    KOH 23 December 2015 06: 24 New
    41
    If Putin will continue to be pleased with the work of the government, then next year the Communists will rule in the Duma, and United Russia will jump through the 5 percent barrier ...)))))
    1. paxil
      paxil 23 December 2015 06: 32 New
      +6
      I completely agree with you good .
    2. Just BB
      Just BB 23 December 2015 06: 34 New
      26
      in the Duma will steer the communists

      And where do the communists come from in Russia? Import? Where from?
      Or do you think the Communists are members of the Communist Party?
      They as receivers of "all profiled" except for the name have nothing.
      There are even no new ideas. Theoretically, capitalism is constantly being updated, and these even the teachings of K. Marx and V. Lenin have been forgotten - not to mention that there is no "analysis of recent flights"
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Just VV
        Or do you think the Communists are members of the Communist Party?

        They say they’ll choose from patriots and appoint them communists laughing
      2. KOH
        KOH 23 December 2015 06: 41 New
        +5
        But they will be chosen, have they heard anything about the protest vote ...?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: CON
          But they will be chosen, have they heard anything about the protest vote ...?

          Yes, I saw just recently in Kiev on Maidan. From the best they chose directly on the street wassat
      3. Same lech
        Same lech 23 December 2015 07: 01 New
        +7
        And where do the communists come from in Russia? Import? Where from?


        China is near .... there are one and a half billion Communists with the slogan ... One country, two systems.

        A couple of hundred million .... will solve this problem RUSSIA forever .... sad
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 44 New
          -2
          Quote: The same Lech

          A couple of hundred million .... will solve this problem RUSSIA forever ....

          Tomorrow China will attack, we’ll wait wink
          1. heal
            heal 23 December 2015 08: 31 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Tomorrow China will attack, we’ll wait

            So you can laugh.
          2. andj61
            andj61 23 December 2015 08: 37 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: The same Lech

            A couple of hundred million .... will solve this problem RUSSIA forever ....

            Tomorrow China will attack, we’ll wait wink

            Eyes learning to squint? wink
            hi
          3. Hon
            Hon 23 December 2015 08: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Tomorrow China will attack, we’ll wait

            why attack? will be rented, a start has already been made
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 23 December 2015 07: 51 New
          12
          Quote: The same Lech
          ... One country two systems.

          We lost this opportunity in 1983 along with the death of Adropov Yu.V. and the country fell in peak ....
        3. cap
          cap 23 December 2015 07: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: The same Lech
          And where do the communists come from in Russia? Import? Where from?


          China is near .... there are one and a half billion Communists with the slogan ... One country, two systems.

          A couple of hundred million .... will solve this problem RUSSIA forever .... sad

          Yes ... well, if without weapons, and with your food ... wassat
          In the Chinese army, the call of the first echelon of 300 million!
          Thinking .... That's good. hi
          Mao, Stalin proposed to accept China into the USSR.
          He refused. I understood that at the next congress, the main Communist of the USSR would be a Chinese. With all the consequences.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 23 December 2015 09: 11 New
            17
            What does the Chinese army have to do with it? You can conquer economically. Moreover, our president himself invites. Come, invest, build, produce! We ourselves are weak and frail! Shame. What great country can one speak of with such appeals? We openly say this to the world! We sell everything that is possible.
        4. 34 region
          34 region 23 December 2015 09: 03 New
          +2
          This is you about the accelerated development of the Far East probably. If the Chinese there marry and get elected to power, it is entirely possible that they will hold a referendum. Only a referendum will be on joining China.
      4. atalef
        atalef 23 December 2015 07: 06 New
        -2
        Quote: Just VV
        And where do the communists come from in Russia? Import? Where from?

        If only from the mausoleum
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 43 New
          -10
          Quote: atalef
          If only from the mausoleum

          Sanya, it’s been empty there for a long time. And for some reason I don’t see the line to go to the mummy to look from admirers of the mummy. Shout here on the site, no more lol
          1. swertalf
            swertalf 23 December 2015 09: 42 New
            +4
            What you wrote is at least vile.
          2. atalef
            atalef 23 December 2015 09: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            If only from the mausoleum

            Sanya, it’s been empty there for a long time. And for some reason I don’t see the line to go to the mummy to look from admirers of the mummy. Shout here on the site, no more lol

            Yes, perhaps on your Mumiy Troll, maybe more
      5. Sober
        Sober 23 December 2015 07: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Just VV
        And where do the communists come from in Russia?

        These will be, then for sure ....
      6. 34 region
        34 region 23 December 2015 08: 59 New
        0
        And what does the communists mean? Probably the whole question is in the economic model. Or private business of a narrow circle of persons or public means of production. Uruguay in the 19th century and the Union in the 20th were smashed by private business! Social means of production is universal poverty and impoverished equality! And under capitalism there are no poor, are all rich and all live well?
    3. Boos
      Boos 23 December 2015 06: 38 New
      12
      "United Russia" and its "zits-chairmen" should already jump through the sawmills ...
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 39 New
      0
      Quote: CON
      then next year the Communists will steer in the Duma

      Dream - dream, dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream lol
      And then who is the Communists-Zyuganov with his coden? So here on the site, do not ask anyone, no one voted for him, no one considers him a communist. And what are you dreaming of?
      1. KOH
        KOH 23 December 2015 06: 48 New
        +3
        And who said that I dream about it? They didn’t notice that the Communists accidentally didn’t appear in our governors ... ... ???
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 57 New
          -3
          Quote: CON
          They didn’t notice that in our governors the Communists accidentally didn’t appear not ... ??

          Zyuganov’s, so they are not communists at all from the words of Saitov’s communists. You don’t confuse me, and soon you’ll completely cease to understand who a communist is.
          1. KOH
            KOH 23 December 2015 07: 57 New
            +2
            You confuse yourself, they call themselves Communists, that's why I call them that too ...
        2. Hell's Angel
          Hell's Angel 23 December 2015 07: 50 New
          0
          I noticed. They are usually sentenced to corruption very quickly. Probably because they are communists!
        3. avva2012
          avva2012 23 December 2015 08: 34 New
          +3
          KOH: They didn’t notice that in our governors, by chance, the Communists didn’t appear ...
          You probably mean the Irkutsk region? So, here in the regional center itself, yes, there was a protest vote (there were observers, then yes). In the Bodaibo area and even deeper, observers in the afternoon with fire. So, here, one hundred percent, not one hundred, but almost everything is for Levchenko ?! Evil languages, they say that there is a person in the region, a real leader who did not share the construction with Eroshchenko. Here is the result. Ah, you say "by chance." Wateredиbecause
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 December 2015 10: 39 New
            +1
            In the Oryol region, the governor from the Communist Party is still that scumbag, with friends in gang circles.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 23 December 2015 10: 46 New
              0
              In the Oryol region, the governor of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is still that scumbag, with friends in gang circles
              Ah, that. Without bandits, with us, no matter how. Or without others. As from the movie: "knock on the door, you think, came: these or these."
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 23 December 2015 07: 32 New
        12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And then who is the Communists-Zyuganov with his coden? So here on the site, do not ask anyone, no one voted for him, no one considers him a communist. And what are you dreaming of?

        Obviously, Codla, you consider people like me. Because I voted for the Communists, although I myself do not rank myself among the Communists, I just think that we are the most decent people among the Communists. So I see it. That is why I vote. Interestingly, what do you specifically have against the Communists?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 42 New
          -5
          Quote: Stas157

          Obviously, Codla, you consider people like me.

          All Zyuganov’s Kodlu!
          Quote: Stas157
          Because I voted for the Communists,

          Wait a minute, so Zyuganovites are not communists.
          Quote: Stas157
          although I myself do not consider myself a Communist,

          Oh how it twists here laughing
          Quote: Stas157
          simply, I think, the most decent people among us are among the Communists.

          Yes, the most decent have sold and ruined the country. good
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 23 December 2015 07: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Wait a minute, so Zyuganovites are not communists.

            Then who?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh how it twists here

            And to whom do you consider yourself? Who did you vote for?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, the most decent have sold and ruined the country.

            Do you really think that Zyuganov ruined the country?
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 December 2015 08: 06 New
              +5
              Quote: Stas157
              Do you really think that Zyuganov ruined the country?

              you really think. that he will restore it?
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 23 December 2015 08: 15 New
                +7
                Quote: atalef
                you really think. that he will restore it?

                What do you think? Who will restore her? When I go to vote, I choose by principle the lesser of evils. For United Russia, in principle, I do not want to vote! All the bastards and thieves led by the governor are sitting there! The Communists seem to me the most decent.
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 08: 16 New
                0
                Quote: atalef

                you really think. that he will restore it?

                Sanya do not bother to dream laughing
              3. 34 region
                34 region 23 December 2015 09: 21 New
                +2
                We believe those who have left for Israel will return to us. We will give everyone a territory equal to Israel. Can you imagine how powerful and strong Russia will be! After all, if you add up all the economies of Israel on the territory of Russia, then there will be wow what economy! After all, do you have a powerful economy without oil? You have. And if you also give minerals? After all, elementary take off to heaven! bully Are you against or for? Take leadership in Russia in your skillful hands. repeat
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 23 December 2015 09: 40 New
                  +5
                  We will give everyone a territory equal to Israel.
                  Will not work. To spin, you must constantly be subjected to pressure. Well, there the Arabs do not let you relax, do not put your finger in your mouth. And, here, yes, so much territory, freedom, a freebie, from neighbor to neighbor, seven days on a crossroads. Do you want to turn the Jewish people into Russians? Anti-Semite, however. laughing
                2. atalef
                  atalef 23 December 2015 09: 51 New
                  +3
                  Quote: 34 region
                  We believe those who have left for Israel will return to us. We will give everyone a territory equal to Israel. Can you imagine how powerful and strong Russia will be! After all, if you add up all the economies of Israel on the territory of Russia, then there will be wow what economy! After all, do you have a powerful economy without oil? You have. And if you also give minerals? After all, elementary take off to heaven! bully Are you against or for? Take leadership in Russia in your skillful hands. repeat

                  If everyone on the territory of Israel, for my family (5 people), I would choose the Central Administrative District of Moscow (with the Kremlin), if it is possible or, at worst, Yamalonentsky (where is the oil being pumped?), Thanks in advance
                  1. not a Jew
                    not a Jew 23 December 2015 10: 07 New
                    -2
                    Quote: atalef
                    I would choose the Central Administrative District of Moscow (with the Kremlin) -if it is possible or At worst - Yamalonentsky (where is the oil being pumped there?)

                    Wrong. Why the hell, go to the Murmansk region. To your native places, there you will have an STS.
                  2. sleeping sayan
                    sleeping sayan 23 December 2015 10: 43 New
                    +1
                    Well no. Or Poland or the Pale of Settlement!
                3. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 11: 29 New
                  +2
                  Quote: 34 region
                  Take leadership in Russia in your skillful hands.

                  They are already at the helm.
                4. WINovikov
                  WINovikov 23 December 2015 13: 49 New
                  +2
                  And with us, and so in the government, most Jews. And it’s not getting any better.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 08: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              Then who?

              I don’t know, on the site all the communists are yelling that they are not communists lol
              Quote: Stas157
              And to whom do you consider yourself? Who did you vote for?

              Quote: Stas157
              And to whom do you consider yourself? Who did you vote for?

              For Putin
              Quote: Stas157

              Do you really think that Zyuganov ruined the country?

              Well you, he had nothing to do with it. He had never voted for the budget even while sitting in the Duma. He had nothing to do with it.
              And the most interesting thing is that, without voting for the budget, he constantly reckons all laurels (if somewhere, something good happened) and treats it as his merit. Such a kind of Yatsenyuk, all his victories, and the hryvnia exchange rate collapsed, and here I am By the way, he voted for raising salaries for deputies wink
              I’ve talked with one PR man, he’s doing PR in the elections. He worked with different parties and the Communists as well. So he tells me, Sasha, they’re all the same, EVERYTHING! All false and corrupt, and do not differ from each other, except for the names.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 23 December 2015 08: 23 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I do not know

                But, at the same time, you claim that Zyuganov is not a communist!

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                For Putin

                There is no such party! Obviously you are for the party in power, for our obese United Russia?

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well you, he had nothing to do with it.

                So you only, that they accused the Communists of the collapse of the country!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 11: 18 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stas157
                  But, at the same time, you claim that Zyuganov is not a communist!

                  No, I just claim that he is a communist, but the communists on the site say no laughing
                  Quote: Stas157
                  There is no such party!

                  No so no
                  Quote: Stas157
                  ! Obviously you are for the party in power, for our obese United Russia?

                  The same obese as in the Communist Party
                  Quote: Stas157
                  So you only, that they accused the Communists of the collapse of the country!

                  So he’s a communist
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 23 December 2015 11: 26 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: Stas157
                    But, at the same time, you claim that Zyuganov is not a communist!
                    No, I just claim that he is a communist, but the communists on the site say no

                    Alexander!
                    hi
                    Warty ghoul - a party card holder in his pocket, a representative of the systemic opposition, sitting on state support No more.
                    The current governor of the Oryol region, Potomsky (God! What a disgusting face!) - Zyuganich's protege - as a clear example of the current ideology of the Communists. But on TV Zyuganov - well, just the protector of the common people! What are the slogans! I feel like crying from happiness when I listen to evonious recipes for saving the fatherland ...
                  2. Stas157
                    Stas157 23 December 2015 12: 50 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    No, I just claim that he is a communist, but the communists on the site say no

                    So, it seems like not long ago you claimed that the “Zyuganovites” were not communists?

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    The same obese as in the Communist Party

                    No, the Communist Party will be more modest! All of our elite, all corrupt officials and gentlemen from the FORBES list, they are all just gathered in United Russia!

                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    So he’s a communist

                    So how do you Communist Party managed to ruin the country? Why don’t you like communists so much, please share?
          2. heal
            heal 23 December 2015 08: 29 New
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, the most decent have sold and ruined the country.

            Well, in your opinion, it turns out that decent people now rule the country. Then why are these decent people getting richer and the people getting poorer?
      3. AID.S
        AID.S 23 December 2015 10: 05 New
        +1
        I always vote for the Communist Party! Probably nostalgia ... and a desire to support not only foreign policy. And maybe Zyuganov will not be worse than Putin, who came out of the sleeve of Yeltsin. The only thing is that "he will take something, but someone will give him .."
    5. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 23 December 2015 06: 46 New
      +8
      And after a couple of years (despite successes in foreign policy), he himself will be taken out of the Kremlin ... Only talk about the economy, real misery steps ..
      Quote: CON
      If Putin will continue to be pleased with the work of the government, then next year the Communists will rule in the Duma, and United Russia will jump through the 5 percent barrier ...)))))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 57 New
        -6
        Quote: dmi.pris
        And in a couple of years (despite successes in foreign policy) he himself will be taken out of the Kremlin.

        Another dreamer.
        1. Dewa1s
          Dewa1s 23 December 2015 08: 17 New
          +1
          but do you doubt the abundance of idiots who will be sincerely sure that they are doing good for the country?
          I beg you, look at the neighbors. We have no less abundance of schizony
    6. atalef
      atalef 23 December 2015 07: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: CON
      If Putin will continue to be pleased with the work of the government, then next year the Communists will rule in the Duma, and United Russia will jump through the 5 percent barrier ...)))))

      looks very much like the well-known
      from Khrushchev's report:

      “The current generation of Soviet people will live under communism! "
      “Our goals are clear, tasks are defined, for work, comrades! "
      “By the end of the 1965 year, we will not have any taxes on the population”
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 23 December 2015 08: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        from Khrushchev's report:

        “The current generation of Soviet people will live under communism! "
        “Our goals are clear, tasks are defined, for work, comrades! "
        “By the end of 1965 we will not have any taxes on the population”

        And why do you equate the current Communists with the Soviet? Of those communists, Gorbachev and Yeltsin turned out to be, on the contrary, opponents of the Communist Party! The modern Communist Party took only the idea from the CPSU, it is not necessary to hang all the prosperities and sins of the old party on the Communist Party.
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 December 2015 09: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: atalef
          from Khrushchev's report:

          “The current generation of Soviet people will live under communism! "
          “Our goals are clear, tasks are defined, for work, comrades! "
          “By the end of 1965 we will not have any taxes on the population”

          And why do you equate the current Communists with the Soviet? Of those communists, Gorbachev and Yeltsin turned out to be, on the contrary, opponents of the Communist Party! The modern Communist Party took only the idea from the CPSU, it is not necessary to hang all the prosperities and sins of the old party on the Communist Party.


          Oh, new communists?
          Gut.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 23 December 2015 10: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Oh, new communists?
            Gut.

            I don’t understand, are you in doubt or are you upset?))
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 11: 30 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Gut.

            Nostalgia? wink
        2. Dewa1s
          Dewa1s 23 December 2015 11: 11 New
          +2
          But the backbone of the Communist Party, including Zyuganov, came from some other communists, not from the same ones that Yeltsin and Gorbachev gave birth to?
          Communists from the Communist Party of the Liberal Democratic Party as liberals, there is a letter in the name-and why the hell?
    7. vitya1945
      vitya1945 23 December 2015 07: 39 New
      +4
      It’s important not who votes, it’s important who thinks ...
      Do you really believe in fair elections?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 47 New
        -2
        Quote: vitya1945
        Do you really believe in fair elections?

        Elections are not fair, elections are not fair, elections are not fair. You are not tired?
        1. andj61
          andj61 23 December 2015 08: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: vitya1945
          Do you really believe in fair elections?

          Elections are not fair, elections are not fair, elections are not fair. You are not tired?

          We are all tired - both those who insist that the elections are dishonest, and those who claim that the elections are fair - and the people - from both. As if other topics are missing! bully
        2. vitya1945
          vitya1945 23 December 2015 15: 50 New
          0
          He had experience in the election commission, with a bunch of OSCE observers.
          The minus is not mine.
    8. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel 23 December 2015 07: 48 New
      +1
      Are you sure about that? Or remember the year 96. Maybe people wiser since then? I doubt it!
      It’s easier for me from the point of view of conscience, I didn’t vote for Putin (well, he’s not a hero of my play). But soon it will be like in 98. Whoever you ask, nobody voted for Yeltsin, and who then yelled at Yeltsin in the squares! Yeltsin !? And before that, "Gorbachev, Glasnost, Perestroika"?
      You didn’t vote for ER and Putin at the last elections? Truth?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 08: 18 New
        0
        Quote: angel of hell
        Are you sure about that? Or remember the year 96. Maybe people wiser since then? I doubt it!

        Well, you know better from London
        Quote: angel of hell
        You didn’t vote for ER and Putin at the last elections? Truth?

        Voted tongue
      2. anfil
        anfil 23 December 2015 10: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: angel of hell
        Are you sure about that? Or remember 96 year. Maybe people wiser since then? I doubt it!


        From this place in more detail, and you yourself belong to which group "Homo Sapiens" or "Homo Naturalis"
        1. Hell's Angel
          Hell's Angel 23 December 2015 11: 07 New
          -1
          It is possible and in more detail. But the point? I will say that an ordinary citizen of the Russian Federation, believe me? Born in the USSR, I live in Russia. But I don’t go to the polls in principle. The reason named above. For me, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin are the same. And I do not see the difference between them. Although there is one. The price of oil during their reign. There, as soon as it collapsed, the criticism of the current “VO” sharply increased. Although a year ago, neither - nor!
          And why I don’t know the flag of Great Britain. Vaughn Romanov has already "pinned up." Everything seems to be right in the profile.
    9. trophy
      trophy 23 December 2015 08: 21 New
      0
      About the Communists: Your words to the people in the tower.
    10. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 23 December 2015 08: 29 New
      0
      Do not wait!
      Votes in the elections are also considered by the statisticians ...
    11. gorefest7777
      gorefest7777 23 December 2015 08: 31 New
      +3
      and how are the Communists now different from United Russia ?, I remember once in a transfer from Solovyov he asked them if they were ready to transfer their enterprises to state property .... the Communist Party functionaries were silent .....
    12. k1995
      k1995 23 December 2015 08: 36 New
      0
      They go to the polls in Moscow, St. Petersburg and the Caucasus there and try to swell money.
    13. Hon
      Hon 23 December 2015 08: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: CON
      If Putin will continue to be pleased with the work of the government, then next year the Communists will rule in the Duma, and United Russia will jump through the 5 percent barrier ...)))))

      EP will have the majority, possibly on the popular front, but it's just rebranding. After all, people are engaged in counting in elections. Wonderful people, wizards are just
  4. avvg
    avvg 23 December 2015 06: 27 New
    +6
    While the "elite" will earn in Russia, keep capital and acquire property in the West, we will hardly crawl out of the crisis until there is a real national elite.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 40 New
      -3
      Quote: avvg
      While the "elite" will earn in Russia, keep capital and acquire property in the West,

      Wait a minute, and who of the elite is now storing their loot in Western banks? You can list.
      1. Boos
        Boos 23 December 2015 06: 54 New
        14
        Maybe it's time to stop calling the "fecal mass" the elite?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 58 New
          -3
          Quote: Boos
          Maybe it's time to stop calling the "fecal mass" the elite?

          Fecal mass, and you from some country yourself? Open your aipi.
          1. Boos
            Boos 23 December 2015 11: 02 New
            +2
            I am a Russian person, I live in the Urals, and I see what is happening with my own eyes and the eyes of people close to me ... And the USSR flag took the site from me.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Boos
            Maybe it's time to stop calling the "fecal mass" the elite?

            Fecal mass, and you from some country yourself? Open your aipi.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 11: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Open your aipi.

            Sanya, tell me honestly - why do you need IP? Or are you only judging the flag of people? So the server of the Military Review in Germany is located. wink
      2. heal
        heal 23 December 2015 08: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You can list.

        And 90% of the inhabitants of the Kremlin and (or) the oligarchs.
    2. Boos
      Boos 23 December 2015 06: 53 New
      +6
      Question? National elite, what nationality?
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 33 New
    +3
    1. The author immediately puts in the head that all the money withdrawn from Russia stolen is stupid.
    As soon as, somewhere, in a country, an economic recession (crisis) begins, capital begins to look for safer places. This is happening everywhere around the world.
    A certain percentage of the withdrawn funds is of course stolen, but this is a trifle.
    And if now the outflow of funds has decreased, this means stabilization in the market sets in.
    At the same time, the fact that the GDP itself fell by more than 3,5% in 2015 is modestly omitted.
    Wait a minute, but is it someone hiding? as far as I remember, Putin spoke about the fall at a press conference.

    So, you can imagine a picture of this kind of reporting: a paper is laid on the president’s table in which it is written in black and white: the volume of capital outflows has almost tripled over the year, and the level of savings in the National State Fund has grown by 1% of GDP

    Of course, one can imagine if a country is ruled by a type similar to Klitschko. Or the author thinks that Putin is being deceived, and Putin is so naive that he doesn’t even notice it. Although there is a second option, the author knows nothing of what papers are put on Putin’s table. I
    for the second option.
    1. Fokiigor
      Fokiigor 23 December 2015 06: 42 New
      +8
      "And if now the outflow of funds has decreased, it means stabilization in the market sets in." Rather, this suggests that there is already nothing special to display. And, about statistics in general there is no special sense to speak. How to order, and count.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 06: 54 New
        -3
        Quote: Fokiigor
        Rather, this suggests that there is already nothing special to display.

        I asked two local Saitov’s economic experts. Do they have an economic education? One answered, but carried such a blizzard that there was nothing to comment on. The second replied that he had spent a whole semester at the university, then he was expelled. In this both are better than Putin and the government knows how to govern the country.
        Excuse me, what kind of economic did you finish?
        1. Boos
          Boos 23 December 2015 07: 04 New
          +4
          If who controlled the country? Or do you think this is management?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: Boos
            If who controlled the country? Or do you think this is management?

            Well, it’s better for you anyway. Personally, you’re much smarter than Putin and the whole government, I have no doubt about that. And the fact that you do not have an economic education and you do not know what the balance consists of is garbage. The main thing is that you know how to manage a country-respect good
            1. heal
              heal 23 December 2015 08: 24 New
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, it’s better for you anyway. Personally, you’re much smarter than Putin and the whole government, I have no doubt about that.

              Well, you doubt it or not, but the fact that Putin and his team can do nothing but rob and trade in raw materials is a fact. The ruble exchange rate and the price of oil are the clearest proof of this.
              1. Boos
                Boos 23 December 2015 11: 05 New
                +2
                Yes, contrary to the forecasts of "our" oligarchs, barrels of oil appeared in stores "All for 36 rubles" ...
            2. atalef
              atalef 23 December 2015 10: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Boos
              If who controlled the country? Or do you think this is management?

              Well, it’s better for you anyway. Personally, you’re much smarter than Putin and the whole government, I have no doubt about that. And the fact that you do not have an economic education and you do not know what the balance consists of is garbage. The main thing is that you know how to manage a country-respect good

              Sanya, the problem is that he doesn’t know the GDP either, he knows more precisely, but then you need to stop lying, and this is fraught
            3. Boos
              Boos 23 December 2015 13: 53 New
              +1
              For any decent person, it will definitely work better.
            4. Down House
              Down House 23 December 2015 15: 40 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And the fact that you do not have an economic education and you do not know what the balance consists of is garbage. The main thing is that you know how to manage a country-respect

              It’s strange that they haven’t been explained to you all the time that the economists of the Russian Federation are not needed - and with a “Western education” they are generally dangerous! fellow
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 23 December 2015 12: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Excuse me, what kind of economic did you finish?

          Not quite a similar situation, but your argument inspired by ..

          "Judge: In general, what is your specialty?

          Brodsky: Poet. Poet translator.

          Judge: And who admitted that you are a poet? Who ranked you among poets?

          Brodsky: None. (No call). And who ranked me as a human race?

          Judge: Have you studied this?

          Brodsky: What?

          Judge: To be a poet? They didn’t try to graduate from a university where they prepare ... where they teach ... "
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 23 December 2015 07: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      As soon as, somewhere, in a country, an economic recession (crisis) begins, capital begins to look for safer places

      Hi, Sasha, because after 25 years he has been looking for everything and everything in the West ..
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 49 New
        0
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Hi, Sasha, because after 25 years he has been looking for everything and everything in the West ..

        Healthy Nikolay. Someone considered the inflow of capital? Most of the dough is speculation, invested, grabbed and withdrawn. Outflow is considered by everyone, but from what it is composed units are considered hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 December 2015 07: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Hi, Sasha, because after 25 years he has been looking for everything and everything in the West ..

          Healthy Nikolay. Someone considered the inflow of capital? Most of the dough is speculation, invested, grabbed and withdrawn. Outflow is considered by everyone, but from what it is composed units are considered hi

          Hey . Sanya
          and here you are wrong. if it were in this area. automatic contribution - included in the category - investment. then flowing into the withdrawal of capital. but. investments specifically decreased (capital withdrawal is the same). but. if earlier in the withdrawal of capital (before the sanctions) - not a small share was precisely according to this formula investment (investment) - withdrawal of foam (withdrawal of capital) - now the outflow is practically Russian money. - withdrawal to offshore and loan payments.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 08: 06 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            automatic contribution - included in the category - investment. then flowing into the withdrawal of capital. but. investments specifically decreased (capital withdrawal is the same)

            And I’m talking about who will invest in an unstable market. One is connected with the other.
            Quote: atalef
            now the outflow is practically Russian money. - withdrawal to offshore and loan payments.

            Well, the capital goes to a more quiet place, when it stabilizes, it ends. Or it becomes smaller depending on the conditions, and the stolen one, Sanya took him out a long time ago. Now the stolen kopecks are brought out, fawn.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 December 2015 08: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And I’m talking about who will invest in an unstable market.

              None .


              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              and the capital goes to a more quiet place, when it stabilizes, it ends. Or it becomes smaller depending on the conditions, and the stolen one, Sanya took him out a long time ago. Now the stolen kopecks are being taken out, fawn.

              Sled output. and I will tell you why.
              Do you remember the tax amnesty - someone returned the money? and the conclusion continued. whoever needs money
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 23 December 2015 08: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          . Outflow is considered by everyone, but from what it is composed units are considered

          Sasha, it is considered by those who deduce ..))
        3. heal
          heal 23 December 2015 08: 22 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Someone considered the inflow of capital? Most of the dough is speculation, invested, grabbed and withdrawn.

          Exactly. Invested, grabbed and brought out. And before that, he brought in capital, and only then "I invested, grabbed it and pulled it out." But the country is no better or worse from this, because they grab it here, but take it out more than they import it, otherwise there would be no sense.
    3. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel 23 December 2015 07: 56 New
      -1
      Я
      for the second option.

      It was already. Our king is good - this is the boyars ...
      Putin doesn’t take it from him. Yes, there are "alternative" sources of information.
      Here it seems to me something else. But here's what !? I think we won’t find out.
      1. cap
        cap 23 December 2015 08: 21 New
        +2
        The boyars are good.
        But not all.
        The criminal case, which became known on Tuesday, was instituted on the fact of the activities of an organized criminal group with the participation of officials of the Department of Audit of the State Contracts of the Ministry of Defense, who, according to operational data, tried to receive bribes, RIA Novosti reports with reference to the Savelovsky court in Moscow. The same information is confirmed by materials in the Moscow City Court database.
        “The court extended the measure of restraint to Nedobor, accused of attempted bribe-taking (on an especially large scale), as well as Gennady Bauman and Irina Kuznetsova, who are accused of attempting to mediate a bribe. All three defendants in the case are set to be detained until March 15, ”a representative of the Savelovsky court said.
        He did not specify the posts of Bauman and Kuznetsova, noting only that all the accused appealed the detention. The Moscow City Court will verify the legality of extending the preventive measure against Kuznetsova on January 20, 2016; appeals from Nedobor and Bauman have not yet been assigned for consideration.
        The investigation believes that Dmitry Nedobor was part of a group of corrupt officials, consisting of employees of the military department and intermediary entrepreneurs, who demanded “kickbacks” from executors of state contracts. The criminal case of bribes was opened on October 15, however, the media learned about him only now.
        A source of Interfax called the amount attributed to the chief auditor of the Ministry of Defense of theft. “The organized group, which, according to the investigation, was led by Nedobor, is charged with an attempt to receive a bribe in an especially large amount - 48 million rubles,” the source said.
        This amount was to be distributed "to each of the members of the group in accordance with its role." “Naturally, the lion's share of this money was intended for the head of the department as a person on whom the fate of state contracts depended,” the source added.
        The Department of Audit of State Contracts is a very important unit in the structure of the Ministry of Defense, it gives an expert assessment of the value of state contracts, determines their initial (maximum) prices, monitors and analyzes the prices of purchased weapons.
        According to Kommersant, at first a criminal case was opened against a group of persons: both employees of the Ministry of Defense and civilians. But immediately a separate criminal case was opened for “attempted bribe-taking on an especially large scale” (Article 30, part 6 of Article 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) in respect of only the head of the department, Dmitry Nedobor.
        38-year-old Dmitry Nedobor headed the department recently, only in January 2015. Prior to that, he worked for about ten years at the Ministry of Finance - Deputy Director of the Department of Budget Policy in the Sphere of State Defense Orders. Prior to that, he worked briefly at the Ministry of Culture, where he was first a leading specialist and then deputy head of the department of international cultural cooperation. And even earlier - in 1994-2003 - he served in the state security organs.
        Despite his relatively young age, Dmitry Nedobor was once awarded a medal of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, II degree, as well as departmental awards of the FSB, FSO, FSIN, SVR, EMERCOM, FMS and FCS. In addition, he also has gratitude from the Russian government.
        A curtain. hi
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 23 December 2015 08: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: cap
          38-year-old Dmitry Nedobor headed the department recently, only in January 2015

          departmental awards of the FSB, FSO, FSIN, SVR, MES, FMS and FCS

          wow, so he’s Russian (Holly) James Bond .. the classic "hero of our time"
          So he went on a train for all the sins of V.T.H. predecessors ..
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 December 2015 10: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Quote: cap
            38-year-old Dmitry Nedobor headed the department recently, only in January 2015

            departmental awards of the FSB, FSO, FSIN, SVR, MES, FMS and FCS

            wow, so he’s Russian (Holly) James Bond .. the classic "hero of our time"
            So he went on a train for all the sins of V.T.H. predecessors ..

            What is a significant surname-shortage.
            Then believe in the relocation of souls
            1. cap
              cap 23 December 2015 10: 44 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              What is a significant surname-shortage.
              Then believe in the relocation of souls

              WRITCHES would be more suitable! laughing

              Only those who have carried out a business useful for the state can be awarded such a medal, moreover, this does not necessarily concern military service or ensuring state security. Representatives of agriculture and transport, industry and construction, health and science, culture and education, as well as any other areas of work can receive this award.
              There are 2 degrees of the medal of the Order "For Merit to the Fatherland", which are applied sequentially: the second and first, after which, with new merits, you can count on receiving the fourth degree order.
              There are 2 degrees of the medal of the Order "For Merit to the Fatherland", which are applied sequentially: the second and first, after which, with new merits, you can count on receiving the fourth degree order. Many state awards, including the 1st or 2nd degree Order of Merit to the Fatherland medal, allow their holders to count on additional material support from the state.
              The current legislation of the Russian Federation provides for additional material support for persons awarded the following awards (indicating the amount of payment):
              • Order "For Merit to the Fatherland" II, III and IV degrees (330%)
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 23 December 2015 09: 07 New
          0
          Despite his relatively young age, Dmitry Nedobor was once awarded a medal of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, II degree, as well as departmental awards of the FSB, FSO, FSIN, SVR, EMERCOM, FMS and FCS. In addition, he also has gratitude from the Russian government.
          I was interested in the list of awards. There is an official paper on which, in order to receive "thanks" from the Ministry of Health of the region, 3 of the year must pass from the last letter (municipality). Then to the "honorary" from the same MOH, another 5 years. Then, "from the governor" letter, another 5 years. And, then, the certificate of the Ministry of Health of Russia. Accordingly, after another five. Well, and then, other, higher, government awards. You cannot jump over a step! Interestingly, this comrade, began to receive letters (industry) from the 1 course of the institute, or even before passing the exam?
          1. cap
            cap 23 December 2015 10: 23 New
            0
            “But there were always a lot of people who want to generously“ get free money ”from financial flows flowing from the military department to the defense industry. But since The cumbersome Ministry of Finance sometimes grumbled at the army’s arms customers (supposedly, it would be possible to save money here and there), the Ministry of Defense said: so that everything is transparent, give us your candidacy. May we have, as they say, your eyes and ears. And they found such a candidate.
            In January this year, the Department of Audit of State Contracts was headed by Dmitry Nedobor, a native of the Ministry of Finance. Until 2003, he served in the FSB, which inspired the army authorities to respect the Chekist, who, as you might have thought, should have clean hands. Yes, and the man seems to be tinned - he was awarded a medal of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, II degree, as well as departmental awards of the FSB, FSO, FSIN, SVR, EMERCOM, FMS and FCS. In addition, he also has gratitude from the Russian government.
            However, only 10 months passed after the appointment of the Shortage and the official was handcuffed. On October 15, a separate criminal case was opened against him for “attempted bribe-taking on an especially large scale” (Article 30, part 6 of Article 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). Already a rumor has leaked from the bowels of the earth that we are talking about 48 million rubles. Investigators say streamlined: "The group included corrupt officials from the audit department and intermediary entrepreneurs demanding kickbacks." The criminals extorted money from the defense industry, promising them "a profitable placement of the state defense order." The defense industry and informed the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, and it - the intelligence services. (Mosk. Komsomolets)
            We will see.
    4. heal
      heal 23 December 2015 08: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      At the same time, the fact that the GDP itself fell by more than 3,5% in 2015 is modestly omitted.
      Wait a minute, but is it someone hiding? as far as I remember, Putin spoke about the fall at a press conference.

      And he weaved everything about oil prices, linking them to the development of the economy, thereby confirming that in Russia the whole economy is to sell oil and gas.
    5. vadgen
      vadgen 23 December 2015 08: 42 New
      -1
      I agree with you, before declaring the entire outflow of capital from the country as stolen money, the author needed to understand the structure of funds withdrawn from the country and then questions would arise. For example, if I am a businessman and invested money in a profit-making enterprise, why can't I manage this profit at my discretion, even if I consider it necessary to withdraw this money from the country?
      Another question is whether the debts that Russian companies took from foreign banks before the sanctions and are now repaying are not considered capital outflows.
      And the third question, if a foreign investor first bought shares of Russian enterprises and then sold it, would it also be an outflow of capital? If so, what's wrong with that? In my opinion, nothing, but the statistics on capital outflows from these transactions will increase.
      1. Down House
        Down House 23 December 2015 15: 43 New
        0
        Quote: vadgen
        In my opinion nothing

        This is in your opinion, but there is also a “left opposition” for which any ruble that went abroad TRAGEDY - even if the Tajik guest worker sent this ruble to his historical homeland so that his family would buy flour there - which they would bring from the RF later! fellow
    6. uhu189
      uhu189 23 December 2015 09: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      it means stabilization in the market.

      Blessed is he who believes ... Stabilization in the market is coming, say? .. Well, well ... Maybe explain, why is this stabilization to come from? Have we solved all the fundamental problems in our economy? Has the manufacturing industry appeared to have any significant weight, the proceeds of which began to form the bulk of the budget? Has our financial system become focused on long-term work with industry? We have carried out a reform of the educational system and institutes, universities and technical schools began to train high-class engineers, managers and skilled workers? Maybe the construction of infrastructure facilities across the country has begun (only Gazprom with Olympics, please do not mention)? Please explain what your confidence is based on, if nothing has changed in the economy at all? Or maybe you know more than I do - so please tell us about your sources, am I ready to listen if I'm wrong? How can something stabilize with the price of oil 37 dollars per barrel and the dynamics of its decline in our commodity economy?
    7. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 11: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Wait a minute, but is it someone hiding? as far as I remember, Putin spoke about the fall at a press conference.

      Sanya, was there at the performance of magicians? The focus is on small pluses, and negative events are blurred, but not hidden. Type of site "Made with us" is a large list of open enterprises, but without specifying the owners and the number of workers. At the same time, information is kept silent (but not hidden!) About the ruined enterprises and the number of people laid off.
  6. Rezident007
    Rezident007 23 December 2015 06: 37 New
    +2
    Medvedev D.A. probably running around the office with a pipe and yelling at her: "CHEF, everything was gone CHEF ...")))
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 December 2015 10: 07 New
      +1
      Yes, no, it’s just easier for DAM, it will be removed in the worst case and that's it
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 23 December 2015 10: 17 New
        +1
        Yes, no, it’s just easier for DAM, it will be removed in the worst case and that's it
        Yeah, in Russia, they’ll "take off", simply, with their heads together. And that’s it.
        1. Boos
          Boos 23 December 2015 12: 04 New
          +1
          From the gallows ...
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 23 December 2015 06: 37 New
    +2
    When you read about the volumes of capital outflow abroad, evil guys with bags and suitcases of money crawling across the border are immediately presented .. But capital outflow is the purchase of goods, items that are not produced, or little is produced in Russia, this is tourism with shopping .. and the acquisition of property abroad and other legal and non-legal actions ... Russia is a generous soul .. We think all about others .. there is no self ..
  8. Indifferent
    Indifferent 23 December 2015 06: 40 New
    +9
    The capital that runs from Russia back and forth is speculative capital. From him, the economy is not cold, not hot. Officials doing it on kickbacks, simple speculators. In China, bought in Russia, as Russian or European sold. The difference was brought out. Or on the difference in currencies speculated and withdrawn. Keeping this money in Russia is not profitable. So they’re gone. But I repeat, such money did not and does not work for the economy. And they will never even work. Because it is not patriots of Russia who run this money, but ordinary hucksters with dual citizenship.
    But why so far we have not separated speculative capital from any other and will not prohibit the withdrawal of such capital, ask Putin, Medvedev, Ulyukaev, Shuvalov and other powerful people of this world!
    Perhaps this mafia is so strong that the government is afraid of it. But there may be more mercantile assumptions. I do not want to write about them. otherwise they’ll set me down.
    1. smith7
      smith7 23 December 2015 06: 58 New
      +5
      That is all true. They deduce speculative capital that actually plays an insignificant role in the economy. However, the President, who is satisfied with the work of the government, is more worried. In all spheres of activity they rule (in leading positions) mediocre, poorly educated grabbers. This is a terrible misfortune ... and the Guarantor does not mind ... Misfortune.
      1. heal
        heal 23 December 2015 08: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: smith7
        and the Guarantor does not mind ... The trouble.

        Who needs trouble, but a guarantee for income.
        1. smith7
          smith7 23 December 2015 08: 29 New
          0
          Or maybe the truth ... In senior positions, educated people can speak smoothly, work energetically, and are talented .. but their talents are in the direction of "who cares and who cares." So it turns out that "all-parsed."
          PS I do not want to believe that it is the Guarantor who receives income from the “non-opposed” top official non-professionals.
    2. Down House
      Down House 23 December 2015 15: 46 New
      0
      Quote: indifferent
      But that's why until now we have not separated speculative capital from any other and will not prohibit the withdrawal of such capital.

      And you ask such questions, as if this capital and offshore companies only live in Russia fellow
  9. Linkin
    Linkin 23 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +6
    are all those satisfied with the financial part, just a sight for sake, real income fell 2 times, and everyone is happy ... or is it that everyone gets paid in dollars?
    1. Passer
      Passer 23 December 2015 10: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Linkin
      are all those satisfied with the financial part, just a sight for sake, real income fell 2 times, and everyone is happy ... or is it that everyone gets paid in dollars?

      Considering that the discussion is taking place at the level of a dollar that has grown to 71 rubles. The following conclusion can be made: satisfied - receive a salary in dollars, dissatisfied - in rubles.
      About comrades from other, warm countries, a separate conversation.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 December 2015 06: 48 New
    +7
    no need to panic, people need to feel stability

    In what "pink" color do not imagine, and the people in Russia do not d.s.a.s. and he sees and feels what is happening in reality. If the majority supports the foreign policy of the state, then the majority treats the domestic one with caution and does not even understand this policy. And so we live, in spite of the enemies.
  11. Glot
    Glot 23 December 2015 06: 58 New
    +5
    I remember Black Tuesday and the crisis of the late 90s and early 2000s and others, small ones. But in such an ass as now, I have never been. This is a real ass, no matter what they scream on TV !!! People lowered to the plinth, and continue to lower. Moreover, the ass is not only in the sales segment where I work, but for friends and acquaintances the same garbage. In various spectra.
    Usually, under NG, the goods scattered, warehouses clogged under the ceilings. Now it’s silence, nobody orders anything even for the future, for a year not a single truck with goods came. Residues from 2013-2014 are on sale. What comes next, no one even thinks. Delays in the RFP began as in the 90s.
    But Mlyn Syria rusted with bombs. laughing
    In general, I soon feel like people "forks" will take up.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 23 December 2015 07: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Glot
      I remember Black Tuesday and the crisis of the late 90s and early 2000s and others, small ones. But in such an ass as now, I have never been. This is a real ass, no matter what they scream on TV !!!


      Remember poorly if you write this.
      If it’s not a secret, you won’t tell the name of the goods you are selling ?!
      The fact that "we throw Syria with rusty bombs" themselves saw ?!
      1. Glot
        Glot 23 December 2015 07: 24 New
        0
        Remember poorly if you write this.
        If it’s not a secret, you won’t tell the name of the goods you are selling ?!


        I remember very well.
        We realize consumer goods.

        The fact that "we throw Syria with rusty bombs" themselves saw ?!


        They won’t show you this on TV.
        But if you have anyone related to those events, and the source is verified, you can clarify.
        And if a person says no to you, then remind him of how it was forbidden to remove this on a take-off specially brought by a group of journalists to remove the "latest Russian air bombs" and how the service team literally with handkerchiefs tried to wipe off the rust but nothing came of it. The bombs were old and rusty.
        I assure you that I know that there is somewhat more happening than most.
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 23 December 2015 07: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Glot
          We realize consumer goods.


          Consumer goods are different.
          1. Glot
            Glot 23 December 2015 09: 49 New
            +1
            Consumer goods are different.


            Of course. But there is such a thing - sales dynamics.
            And looking at this dynamics over the past, the year before last, you can add a picture of how it was and what is.
            1. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 23 December 2015 14: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Glot
              But there is such a thing - sales dynamics.


              The dynamics of sales directly depends on the purpose of the goods.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Glot
          We realize consumer goods.

          Common consumption goods ? Well, I’m talking probably brandy trading.
          Quote: Glot

          They won’t show you this on TV.
          But if you have anyone related to those events, and the source is verified, you can clarify.

          Of course, only you have the most truthful truth wassat
          Quote: Glot
          I assure you that I know that there is somewhat more happening than most.

          The daughter of an officer?
          1. Glot
            Glot 23 December 2015 09: 47 New
            +3
            The daughter of an officer?


            What for ?
            Just a good friend that week just flew in from there. smile
            Well, for Cheburashka - news on TV. laughing
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        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 December 2015 11: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Glot
          The bombs were old and rusty.

          And they’re doing it right! Junk in warehouses is full, but you want for each "spirit" by "caliber"?
        4. Down House
          Down House 23 December 2015 15: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Glot

          They won’t show you this on TV.

          You don’t need to remember about TV, we’re out of the Internet here, we haven’t watched TV for 10 years - we’d better wait for the engineers to let them know how rusty rockets fly! fellow
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Glot
      I remember Black Tuesday and the crisis of the late 90s and early 2000s and others, small ones.

      Did you go to kindergarten?
      Quote: Glot
      People lowered to the plinth, and continue to lower.

      Before the baseboard, it was in '98, which you didn’t remember much.
      Quote: Glot
      Moreover, the ass is not only in the sales segment where I work

      What are you selling elite cognac?
      Quote: Glot
      Usually, under NG, the goods scattered, warehouses clogged under the ceilings. Now silence, no one orders anything

      I went shopping, people rampart, maybe you write from Ukraine?
      Quote: Glot
      But Mlyn Syria throwing rusty bombs

      Of course rusty, there were no others left, the shank in the country.
      Quote: Glot
      In general, I soon feel like people "forks" will take up.

      I think soon people like you will begin to plant.
      1. Glot
        Glot 23 December 2015 07: 27 New
        +5
        I think soon people like you will begin to plant.


        I think when they will remove the last ports from people like you, they will scream all at once, shining with their bare backside. laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 December 2015 07: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Glot
          I think soon people like you will begin to plant.


          I think when they will remove the last ports from people like you, they will scream all at once, shining with their bare backside. laughing

          Sanya just lives in Vladivostok.

          until the crisis reaches them-- for a long time.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 08: 08 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            until the crisis reaches them-- for a long time.

            At AUTOTAZ, the crisis is waiting, at least with one peek at the viburnum
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 December 2015 08: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: atalef
              until the crisis reaches them-- for a long time.

              At AUTOTAZ, the crisis is waiting, at least with one peek at the viburnum

              she is import-substituting ... to the west.
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 23 December 2015 08: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            until the crisis reaches them-- for a long time.

            He smiled, but it’s true, he doesn’t see him all over the country at once .. in each region it’s different .. the region is subsidized, all the more, it’s noticeable at first, but then it’ll cover it all out ...
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 December 2015 08: 23 New
              +6
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              He smiled, but it’s true, he doesn’t see him all over the country at once .. in each region it’s different .. the more subsidized the region, the less it is noticeable at first

              here I am about that.
              in the outback, little has changed.
              did not live richly. Nehru and start.
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              but then how to cover - everything is out ...

              Nicholas at all. if we discard our inherent irony. the situation is really out. the situation (in Russia) is much more complicated than in 2008 and there is no end in sight. of course there will be a rebound in oil prices (well, not until 70 of course 0 so around 50-60. but you understand. if this happens, VVP and Co. will present this as an achievement. although a year ago they said that at 80 per barrel, the global economy will collapse.
              so here. next year and 2018 - elections at all levels (including presidential) and yesterday’s law
              The State Duma adopted on Tuesday amendments to the bill on the FSB, which allow special services to use weapons when crowding to prevent a terrorist attack and free hostages.

              you understand. shoot first. and then they say they prevented the attack.
              All this heat in society. a crisis . search for enemies. spiral of militant rhetoric. - All this can splash out into problems and unrest in society.
              Well, that’s a lie.
              Do you remember the USSR - on TV congresses broadcast. promised - yes who believed in it 7
              that's when trust ends - then the countries develop in 3 days. and then they ask perplexedly. how and why?
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 23 December 2015 08: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                that's when trust ends - then the countries develop in 3 days. and then they ask perplexedly. how and why?

                Sasha, that’s what scares me, everyone’s already passed .. I’ll say so to myself, I can’t take the cart out of propaganda alone — we still didn’t sit down. Koreans and even Juche’s ideas, at least not at least
                I am constantly writing about the danger of the right-wing (with the Swamp) closing together with the common people, but Plato showed that the line has become thinner ...
              2. B.T.V.
                B.T.V. 23 December 2015 08: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                The State Duma adopted on Tuesday amendments to the bill on the FSB, which allow special services to use weapons when crowding to prevent a terrorist attack and free hostages.

                you understand. shoot first. and then they say they prevented the attack.


                Alexander, good day! Please answer: why in the countries of "victorious democracy" it has long been allowed "to use weapons in crowds ...", and this is normal. In Russia, they just adopted the amendments; howling is already beginning? !!
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 December 2015 09: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: B.T.W.
                  Quote: atalef
                  The State Duma adopted on Tuesday amendments to the bill on the FSB, which allow special services to use weapons when crowding to prevent a terrorist attack and free hostages.

                  you understand. shoot first. and then they say they prevented the attack.


                  Alexander, good day! Please answer: why in the countries of "victorious democracy" it has long been allowed "to use weapons in crowds ...", and this is normal. In Russia, they just adopted the amendments; howling is already beginning? !!

                  With crowds, where is it?
          3. Glot
            Glot 23 December 2015 09: 51 New
            +2
            Sanya just lives in Vladivostok.

            until the crisis reaches them-- for a long time.


            Sooner or later, it will reach everyone.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 December 2015 16: 40 New
              0
              The crisis will definitely not reach me, since in such cases there is a large financial airbag.
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        2. Boos
          Boos 23 December 2015 12: 07 New
          0
          They will not be removed from such ones, they work on the "system", from morning till night on the site ...
    3. atalef
      atalef 23 December 2015 07: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Glot
      In general, I soon feel like people "forks" will take up.

      first come * pitchfork *, and then they will take up.
    4. Down House
      Down House 23 December 2015 15: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: Glot
      I remember Black Tuesday and the crisis of the late 90s and early 2000s and others, small ones. But in such an ass as now, I have never been.

      I remember that in the late 90s, my father went to 15-year-old Lada cars, and now there are tens of millions of such people in the Russian Federation on a new “foreign car” (domestic assembly)!
      Yes, the purchasing power has "subsided", but many have cut their "Wishlist" - they decided not to ride the car for 2 years, but 3 for example - but to say that "the people were lowered" and he began to LIVE BAD at least an exaggeration!
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 23 December 2015 15: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Down House
        Yes, the purchasing power has "subsided", but many have cut their "Wishlist" - they decided not to ride the car for 2 years, but 3 for example - but to say that "the people were lowered" and he began to LIVE BAD at least an exaggeration!

        Yeah ....
        In the provinces (not in Moscow!) Traffic jams, nowhere to put the car.
        But the all-enforcers stubbornly assure that all these "budget" cars were taken on credit. And they can’t answer the question: “What is they paying for the loan?” wassat
        1. Down House
          Down House 23 December 2015 16: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          In the provinces (not in Moscow!) Traffic jams, nowhere to put the car.

          And Putin is to blame again! You see the road is not building! We have the same as if a person bought a car, then everything else should be given to him immediately for free - from gasoline to the parking lot fellow
  12. Rezident007
    Rezident007 23 December 2015 06: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Resident007
    Medvedev D.A. probably running around the office with a pipe and yelling at her: "CHEF, everything was gone CHEF ...")))

    If that is a message with humor (by analogy with the famous phrase of the hero Andrei Mironov from the movie "Diamond Arm"). For those who are dull, three smiles are placed at the end of the message.
  13. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 23 December 2015 07: 03 New
    +1
    I would like to look at it from a different perspective. In the Right to Know program, Dmitry Simes about Russia's position in the world today said: “Can you imagine what you are aiming for? The world order that has been formed over the past 25 years. But if you don’t have the strength to change anything, you should agree and put up with what it is. But if you started, then you have to stand to the end, otherwise they will crush you. " Therefore, in this situation, we have nothing left to do but stand to die. Either we win or they crush us. And one must endure, perhaps even worse.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 23 December 2015 10: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: sv-georgij
      Therefore, in this situation, there’s nothing left for us to do but stand to die
      Correctlysoldier Just decide what ?!
      For the "Peskov watch", or for the "Vasilyeva diamonds", or maybe the Lake cooperative request ?!
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    1. Volodin
      23 December 2015 07: 11 New
      +4
      And when you go to sleep, do you “lay down” or what?

      Do not write nonsense. Distinguish: “lie down” and lie down (text: emphasis on “and”).

      Is snow falling on the ground or do you think it is put on it? ..
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 07: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Volodin
        And when you go to sleep, do you “lay down” or what?

        He is from Kazakhstan, although he doesn’t seem to be from Holland, but not from Germany already. They all do not speak Russian there. Do not pay attention, especially when Saag writes.
  15. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 23 December 2015 07: 12 New
    +5
    And all these statistics are from the evil one. That we do not know who Chubais is and others like them, but we know perfectly well the entirety. There is a president and there are Russians, but between them there is almost nothing. There are officials, there are local authorities who do not decide anything, and how the hell are they afraid of responsibility and as a consequence of decision-making. There is no power vertical for today. Therefore, they not only do not help but also interfere. And as it seems to me today is the most important and painful topic.
  16. samoletil18
    samoletil18 23 December 2015 07: 32 New
    +1
    The best conditions for the preservation of capital in countries where the money supply is formed at the expense of value added to manufactured products. This is an investment, including. If nothing happened with the change in the outflow in terms of rubles, then here is how to look, or you (looking at my comment) what orientation? For red or white? That is, in rubles the volumes of withdrawal of funds abroad remained the same. Consequently, the RF GDP did not suffer radical changes. Here either rejoice that it did not fall (just 1%), or grin that it did not grow and failed (by a whole 1%!).
    What is happening clearly characterized the raw material nature of our economy - the raw material. The price of oil will rise - the dollar will fall and the outflow in dollars will increase, but the ruble will not change. Investing in our nkftyanka is not in a hurry: bureaucrats are corrupt too. In the real sector - the same thing, but with additional risks in the form of a sharp drop in living standards and a decrease in the purchasing power of the population in a country where it is already said on official radio that 1% of the population owns 70% of the resources. Here you need to change everything from above. And it looks like a restructuring. Most are afraid and hate perestroika, which is dangerous for those on top. Those who are in the "happy 1%" are better off waiting for a rise in the price of raw materials. And the rest ... it’s dangerous here - beyond the hill, a revolution in Russia is waiting, like manna from heaven. And it all starts with calls for deliverance from the oligarchs and agitated officials. And the calls will go from behind the hill through their NGOs.
    Someone very smart was in the 90s in advisers to the then rulers.
  17. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 23 December 2015 07: 43 New
    +4
    I read the comments and I realized that people from the article are pulling out phrases to refute their ignorance. No one screams that he got rich, but all of a sudden they quickly found a reason or a rebuttal for all the negatives around "They are to blame" !!! but that's why we allow it? a bribe so that your business exists, you also become the same “oninovaty”.
    1. heal
      heal 23 December 2015 08: 13 New
      +6
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      giving a bribe so that your business exists, you also become the same "innocent."

      Is there really only one businessmen in the country? And the nannies, orderlies, miners, locksmiths, turners and many, many ...
  18. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 December 2015 08: 03 New
    +6
    It’s very inconvenient to look into the eyes of the cashier, who is already breaking your Doshirak for the third evening in a row.
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 December 2015 08: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: vladimirvn
      It’s very inconvenient to look into the eyes of the cashier, who is already breaking your Doshirak for the third evening in a row.

      Is she really jealous? wink
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 December 2015 08: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: vladimirvn
      It’s very inconvenient to look into the eyes of the cashier, who is already breaking your Doshirak for the third evening in a row.

      But I don’t have money for simple pasta? Although I had something similar when I was 20 years old, but then it turned out that she hawala him and we decided to hav him together winked
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 23 December 2015 10: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But I don’t have money for simple pasta? Although I had something similar when I was 20 years old, but then it turned out that she was hailing him and we decided to havan him together winked


        Just the same romantic story with Doshirak happened! smile
        As I read it, I immediately remembered the words from the song:
        So united young hearts
        So my father’s mother found out. wink
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 23 December 2015 15: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and we decided to haink it together winked

        A true romantic - and with a doshirak is magnificent! Well done! love
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 23 December 2015 15: 18 New
          0
          Flowers for the lady, cavalier hi
  19. AZ
    AZ 23 December 2015 08: 08 New
    -5
    Putin is waiting for “they” to take the first step. It is in the spirit of aikido. Then to make a return move. Everything is already ready for him - BRICS, EAEU, TS, FTA. If you can enter your currencies without asking us, then why can’t we pay in our own without your new dollar, no matter what it is called? We can do without your tomatoes. But what will it be like without our oil and without our gas? Ask Europe ...

    In any war, the most dangerous thing is reassessing one's own forces and underestimating the enemy. A true warrior is one who has the composure to strike on time and at the right point. In martial arts, the ability to use the time increases the ability to use the forces and goals of the opponent against himself. In this case, the superior power of the enemy becomes the cause of his death ...

    Time works against them and for us.

    Here you will have such a peacock-mawlin.

    http://www.putin-today.ru/archives/18790
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 December 2015 08: 31 New
      +8
      Quote: AZ
      Putin is waiting for “they” to take the first step. It is in the spirit of aikido.

      Well, yes. well yes
      Quote: AZ
      Then to make a return move

      oh my god. Today my daughter (she’s 10 years old) told me (after I tell her, you write me an email. What do you want for NG. And I’ll talk with Santa Claus)
      - so she means, Dad. Well chesslovo. I know . Santa Claus is you laughing
      And you all believe in fairy tales laughing

      Quote: AZ
      Everything is already ready for him - BRICS, EAEU, TS, FTA.

      Is the PZZ not in this list?
      Quote: AZ
      In any war, the most dangerous thing is reassessing one's own forces and underestimating the enemy.

      that's for sure. -more sanctions a year ago shouted good
      Quote: AZ
      A true warrior is one who has the composure to strike on time and at the right point.

      or make hara-kiri. when I realized he was caught lying
      Quote: AZ
      In this case, the superior power of the enemy becomes the cause of his death ...

      the death of capitalism is inevitable - like a sunrise.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 23 December 2015 09: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        the death of capitalism is inevitable - like a sunrise.

        Time works against them and for us.

        Well, Sasha, you missed such a passage ... probably neighing ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 December 2015 09: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Quote: atalef
          the death of capitalism is inevitable - like a sunrise.

          Time works against them and for us.

          Well, Sasha, you missed such a passage ... probably neighing ..

          Akella missed sad
          1. Boos
            Boos 23 December 2015 14: 23 New
            0
            Will Russian feudalism defeat Western capitalism? ) Everything goes to the point that soon there will be no one to sell our oil ...
    2. guzik007
      guzik007 23 December 2015 10: 56 New
      +2
      Putin is waiting for “they” to take the first step.
      -----------------------------------------
      or maybe enough already in the yard in the domino chopped, but bark with the neighbors? He can go home, nail a nail there, otherwise his wife saws and saws for a month. Children have fallen off hands, it’s empty in the refrigerator. Ah, Vova? Moreover, the house is huge, what a lot of work.
  20. Sars
    Sars 23 December 2015 08: 10 New
    +5
    When comrade Putin V.V. praised the work of his government, in my opinion there were not enough phrases: "The government works in the top three. Can you imagine? Everyone says that they (the government) are doubles, but no!"

    And more:
    Following the results of Medvedev’s visit, the Chinese Xinhua News Agency made a statement that while the Russian government has the current level of competence, China is not going to carry out serious economic projects with Russia!
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 23 December 2015 09: 29 New
      +1
      Can I link to Xinhua in the studio?
      1. Sars
        Sars 23 December 2015 10: 34 New
        0
        In contact, the news of 19.12 was following the results of Medvedev's visit.
      2. Sars
        Sars 23 December 2015 10: 34 New
        0
        In contact, the news of 19.12 was following the results of Medvedev's visit.
      3. Sars
        Sars 23 December 2015 13: 13 New
        0
        http://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/4904889
      4. Sars
        Sars 23 December 2015 13: 13 New
        0
        http://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/4904889
  21. heal
    heal 23 December 2015 08: 11 New
    +2
    And here a rhetorical question arises: either the president, on naivety, relies only on, to put it mildly, the original reports of the Ministry of Finance and “does not dig deeper”, or sets himself up for such “support” only because it is by definition more convenient to rely on it ...

    It is more convenient. It is more convenient, including, to keep your rating.

    And if you focus on real numbers, you have to admit that the peak of the crisis has not even been passed ...

    Is the peak of the crisis passed? It seems to fall into the pit for a long time to come.
  22. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 23 December 2015 08: 16 New
    +3
    Good article, everything is in detail painted and chewed, + to the author. On the topic of the article ... I would here pay special attention not to the figures for the withdrawal of funds from Russia, but to the very fact of such a withdrawal. It is clear that our economy is going through far from the best period in its life (sanctions, lower oil prices, etc.) and the outflow of funds is a natural process in this situation, but we must also ask another question, why should foreign investors believe in the economy Russia, are there any prerequisites? Here, even their own population does not believe that everything is normal, as we are described in the media, and we don’t even have to talk about a foreign investor. Therefore, our government needs to put all its efforts into economic recovery, focus on domestic politics and create a competitive economy that will not be based on oil and gas revenues, but on final products, there are at least three areas in which we can offer a lot to the world 1) MIC 2) Agriculture 3) Science. Everything is just fine with the Military-Industrial Complex, the costs of reviving the armies have given a second wind to our military industry, and now we can successfully compete with other players in world markets, but this is not the limit but only the beginning, you can set a goal, take 50 % of the arms market and go for it. Agriculture here is not so good here, but the prospects are HUGE, we are the largest country in the world, we have a huge amount of land that you can use, introduce investments in this industry, new technologies, and we will feed the whole world. Moreover, it will be possible to rely on environmentally friendly products, in Europe and the USA there are problems with this, in the pursuit of over-harvest they use a lot of harmful chemicals and thereby spoil the land, plus the active exploitation of the land is also not a plus, but we have clean land and huge territory. This needs to be used, but the need for food will only grow, which only China and India with their population are worth :) well, and Science. Now we are in crisis in this area, the government’s hopes for Skolkovo and innovations have not been realized, but you can use the potential of the Novosibirsk Academgorodok, Irkutsk, Tomsk, etc. you just need to give decent financing, set a goal, and the results will soon be felt, of course, the education system will also have to be redone, but it's worth it. We have many interesting projects, all the time there are articles about how our scientists discovered something (a new alloy, medicine, etc.), it is necessary to encourage and help, and if we do all this, our country will have a really bright future.
  23. 1536
    1536 23 December 2015 08: 17 New
    +5
    We now have devastation in cities and towns due to the lack of investment. A bribe or something? Do you need to bury the pipe and not asphalt after this sidewalk? Whom? Strauss or Hubboard? The investment system is vicious from the beginning, because instead of a development plan, for example, there is a “development plan for the territory,” which, as a result, is plundered or destroyed for the sake of some Turk or American.
  24. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 23 December 2015 08: 22 New
    +9
    He has repeatedly emphasized that the most annoying is the stupid lies of our authorities.
    Let the naked truth be told - as it is - the people will understand and support. Russians are still able to rally in difficult times.
    Remove the open abomination from human eyes, give people meaning and an idea. Not that the whole population lives without sense, but each has his own, different and there is no unifying component.
    Satisfaction and the joy of joint collective participation in any significant or simply useful projects, participation in the construction of a new, advanced, breakthrough mean much more to us than jamon in the refrigerator and Porsche in the garage. And it must be used.
    The farther into the forest, the more I become convinced of the incompetence and lack of will of the government.
  25. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 23 December 2015 08: 30 New
    0
    And where are they not manipulating statistics? Each leader reports turning out the numbers, or says so you won’t understand how they thought. According to statistics, we did not even have a crisis. Listen to the governors, everything is fine in the regions, and salaries and social programs. but in fact they are transferred from one pocket to another.
  26. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 23 December 2015 08: 38 New
    +5
    Our dialogues about the economy resemble a situation when, looking at a sieve, people talk about why it is being poured from it. Moreover, economists claim that the sieve is clogged and is no longer being poured, they are repeating to them politicians so as not to cause panic among the population, and the people, coming to the store and receiving a salary, understand that it is being poured.
    The existing model of the country's economy and finances is designed so that Russia supplies important resources for the Western economy, receiving in return Western products, i.e. provided the development of the western economy to the detriment of its own interests. And this vicious scheme for Russia should work without fail, for which we are crushed by sanctions, placed around the borders of missile defense and bases and are outraged by the country's attempts to defend itself.
    In general, nothing new: we became the new Indians for the USA, whose gold was first exchanged for glass beads, and then simply destroyed.
    And that Russia-Russia supplies energy resources, from the supply of which the West will turn its nose, and we will make excuses. Yesterday, too, they made excuses to the West for transferring Ukraine from a free trade zone to the Russian National Library.
    What can I say, it's a shame for the state.
    For a country to be strong, its economy must be independent. Exactly as much as its internal resources allow. And they allow. To defend your interests, you need to look back, remember the time when the country developed, developed in spite of severe shocks, and take the best from that period, take into account mistakes and develop your economy. And stop sagging in front of the west, they’re not worth it. For the evil that has been done to Russia for centuries, they will answer before history — life will punish the West. But that is not our concern.
    There is nothing special about this. If we were able to change the model of the economy once, crouching in the west, we can change it for the second time, it’s time to expand. The state must regain control over the movement of capital. The volume of strategic resources exported from the country in the form of hydrocarbons should be equal to the volume of goods strategically important for the development of industry to be imported into the country. The only way. And no waste paper of green color with portraits of the enemies of mankind. The main food products in the country should be of Russian origin, enough to poison people with chemicals. And everything that a country can produce itself must produce. That's all.
    When there is nothing to pinch us for, then the West will understand that it is flawed in essence.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 23 December 2015 10: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: olimpiada15
      The volume of strategic resources exported from the country in the form of hydrocarbons should be equal to the volume of goods strategically important for the development of industry to be imported into the country. The only way.

      Not certainly in that way. Exports should significantly exceed imports. But not strategically important resources, but goods. And the export of strategically important resources should be minimal and reduced to zero. For the rest, you said wonderful.
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  28. Siberia
    Siberia 23 December 2015 08: 52 New
    +5
    It seems to me that the top of the country does not even imagine how bad things really are for the people (how do they know - they live in Moscow, they haven’t lost their income ...). What bottom - what are you talking about ?! To simply reach this very bottom means to slow down the crisis in the economy, to start helping people. And for this you need to do something for the benefit of the economy and ordinary citizens. But none of this is done - I don’t see - at least kill! In the meantime, only "verbal diarrhea" comes from the stands - we are doing well, we are doing well - I did not crap.
  29. Neophyte
    Neophyte 23 December 2015 08: 55 New
    +2
    I remember a recent statement by the authorities on the identification of many Russian companies with a predominance of up to 80% of foreign owners. That is, in fact, complete control over the assets of Russia. And after that, we are surprised that capital is exported abroad? This scheme of creating a business has existed for a long time! In particular, in the fishing business, in the 90s, I watched how there were fish-producing offices in Murmansk. And so, for all types of raw materials in Russia! And where did the young billionaires of Russia come from? Great business intelligence was not required, only communication with "partners" abroad and local officials. True, some types of strategic raw materials (nickel, non-ferrous and oil) demanded a serious "roof" from large officials and local brothers. A vivid example is Prokhorov, Khodorkovsky and others "sowing in your pocket"!
  30. Svetlana
    Svetlana 23 December 2015 08: 57 New
    +4
    When with people “over the garlic”, then the chances of solving the problem are much greater, since there is more constructivity and more truth. And shouts in two opposite styles from "Do not rock the boat" to "Everything is gone, it's time to bring down from this country!" never before have they led either to constructiveness, or to a full-fledged, but not declarative, exit of Russia from crisis situations.

    Nobody will be with us “like garlic”, and why is it needed, what will change from this? The people are zombified by external threats, sometimes artificially created. So that people endure all this chaos and chaos and think: "We survive, if only there is no war!" And, meanwhile, slowly died out.
    As for the 2 types of screams, I do not agree. Not 2 kind of screams in Russia. A lot of them. Lots of. The most basic is the third type of screaming, which was not mentioned by the author, this is the scream of people who understand that the country has been systematically pushed into the abyss since 1991, that not everything has been lost yet, something needs to be done. You don’t want to notice these screams, but you divide people into omnipresent people and those who are satisfied with the situation in the country, because they have adapted to the gangster-thieves system and have learned to earn good money in it like the gangster-thief authorities, only at a lower level and in smaller scale.
    1. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 23 December 2015 09: 32 New
      0
      Chaos and chaos? What kind of country are you talking about?
  31. TұrKBөrӨ
    TұrKBөrӨ 23 December 2015 09: 07 New
    +3
    They consider everything on average, so far so good. The people eat cabbage, they eat meat, on average, the country eats cabbage rolls.
  32. uskrabut
    uskrabut 23 December 2015 09: 10 New
    +4
    In the USSR, all financial statements were made in comparable prices, i.e. the base year was taken and the indicators of the current year were recounted in the prices of this year, in this case an objective picture of the situation was obtained. The current unfortunate economists, and simply crooks, consider how anyone likes it, if only the authorities show a positive report and receive a bonus. Accordingly, decisions are made with such reports. They need to be driven out of government.
  33. vadgen
    vadgen 23 December 2015 09: 10 New
    +2
    Before declaring the entire outflow of capital from the country stolen money, the author needed to understand the structure of funds withdrawn from the country and then questions would arise. For example, if I am a businessman and invested money in a profit-making enterprise, why can't I manage this profit at my discretion, even if I consider it necessary to withdraw this profit from the country?
    Another question, but are not debts that Russian enterprises took from foreign banks before sanctions, and now repay, considered an outflow of capital?
    And the third question, if a foreign investor first bought shares of Russian enterprises and then sold it, would it also be an outflow of capital? If so, what's wrong with that? In my opinion, nothing, but statistics on capital outflows from these transactions will increase.
    1. Neophyte
      Neophyte 23 December 2015 09: 23 New
      +1
      But nothing that controlling stakes in companies in the hands of foreigners?
  34. Recoil
    Recoil 23 December 2015 09: 32 New
    +4
    Putin is GOD!
    America is the end!
    In Europe - buggers!
    In Russia - all hurt yourself!

    Along the way, there is a sobering up of the people. Even the birch-bark propaganda according to the First cannot convince the working man that he had increased money.
  35. 12345
    12345 23 December 2015 09: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: vladimirZ
    In connection with the figures given in our economic indicators, including in the speeches of President Putin V.V., it was recalled that "there is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are statistics."
    The thing is that almost any digital reporting data of any activity at the request of a person who wishes to receive a favorable, neutral and negative assessment of activity in statistics can be obtained.
    It all depends on the skill of working with these numbers and the task that is assigned to him from a senior managerial rank.
    The criterion for checking all these "statistics" is the real life of the people of Russia, prices in stores and the real salary of people, the falling ruble to dollar rate.
  36. Recoil
    Recoil 23 December 2015 09: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: Million
    Quote: Aleksander
    During his major press conference, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced //


    that the government as a whole is pleased. And this is AWESOME ....
    Why is capital outflow allowed abroad? Why is there only a statement crimeWhere is the STATE? This is what GDP should answer ...

    Option 2: GDP either does not want to stop this disgrace, or cannot


    Option 3 - He leads it
  37. A-Sim
    A-Sim 23 December 2015 09: 39 New
    +2
    "If I fall asleep and wake up in a hundred years and they ask me what is happening in Russia, I will answer: they drink and steal ..."

    "The Russian government must keep its people in a state of constant amazement."

    M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin
  38. Freeman
    Freeman 23 December 2015 09: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: AZ
    We can do without your tomatoes. But what will it be like without our oil and without our gas? Ask Europe ...

    Alas, in my opinion, you are mistaken. If Europe had a critical dependence on our hydrocarbons, then South Stream and Nord Stream-2 would have been built long ago. And the routes of the Ukrainian gas transportation system were patrolled by some Russian-European PMCs. In the meantime, Gazprom is spinning like a frying pan so as not to lose the European market.
  39. Alexl
    Alexl 23 December 2015 09: 49 New
    0
    Only for some reason it is not taken into account that a significant part in the withdrawn capital is made up of speculative money of foreign investment funds and repayable foreign loans.
  40. aviator1913
    aviator1913 23 December 2015 10: 20 New
    +2
    Money does not lead away from a good life. The bulk of transfers to offshore and Western funds is due to fear of the seizure of these funds by our security forces, because of this, a huge debt of companies is constantly supported, because if a company has no debts and has a steady profit (and the amounts are not small) it’s almost 100% that the raiders will try to take the company .

    Therefore, that would not be such a big drawback, judicial reform and investment reform are needed. When to invest in Russia will be profitable and safe. And to say that in this case it is necessary to ban the export of capital is stupid. We need to deal with the problem and disease, and not its consequence.

    I myself work in a company that the raiders are constantly trying to take, but the director deftly maneuvers, pledges something, takes loans, insures. Because of this, hold on for now_)
  41. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 23 December 2015 10: 28 New
    0
    Instead of consolidating the society at this difficult time, they continue to cajole the ears with all kinds of lullabies. Since the beginning of 2000, there has been plenty of time to deal with the fight against corruption, the modernization of the economy, import substitution and "getting off the needle." But all this was done only in declarative form, for now when the "thunder struck" the government was bustling to take urgent measures. Well, how to take it, there are some measures there, increasing the financial burden on individuals and small-medium-sized businesses, that is, introducing additional levies, they do not know others.
    Quote: SarS
    And more:
    Following the results of Medvedev’s visit, the Chinese Xinhua News Agency made a statement that while the Russian government has the current level of competence, China is not going to carry out serious economic projects with Russia
  42. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 23 December 2015 10: 29 New
    -2
    Yeah, soon would "come * pitchfork *"
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 23 December 2015 10: 41 New
      +3
      Yeah, soon would "come * pitchfork *"
      You, as I understand it, have no children. Or from the beautiful far, can anything be desired by others? According to observations of many years, do not wish evil, otherwise it will return.
  43. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 23 December 2015 10: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: SarS
    In contact, the news of 19.12 was following the results of Medvedev's visit.


    What kind of news is this? Give a link to a normal news agency, you can English
  44. Down House
    Down House 23 December 2015 11: 55 New
    +2
    The fact is that last year, the amount of capital outflows from Russia amounted to more than $ 148 billion.

    Well, let’s say, although personally I don’t know who and how I thought.
    But what is there? Do you know what, for example, is “capital outflow” in developed countries in the USA or the EU in the same countries of SEA for example?
    This is, after all, “private capital,” you yourself during this time, how much money did the Lord spend on the Turkish-Egypt resorts ?! fellow
    Did all of your billions count? Probably thought that it was only your right where and what to spend personal money on, relaxing in Egypt and buying Korean Samsung.
    But what, capitalist ministers, unlike you, are worse people or what?
    And most importantly, what does Putin have to do with it again ?! fellow
  45. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 December 2015 12: 07 New
    +1
    - Summed up the results of the year.
    - And How?
    “What, and how?” Failed, I say.
  46. Edvid
    Edvid 23 December 2015 12: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: vladimirZ
    In connection with the figures given in our economic indicators, including in the speeches of President Putin V.V., it was recalled that "there is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are statistics."
    The thing is that almost any digital reporting data of any activity at the request of a person who wishes to receive a favorable, neutral and negative assessment of activity in statistics can be obtained.
    It all depends on the skill of working with these numbers and the task that is assigned to him from a senior managerial rank.
    The criterion for checking all these "statistics" is the real life of the people of Russia, prices in stores and the real salary of people, the falling ruble to dollar rate.

    //////////////////////////////////////////////
    I went on Soviet research ships for fifteen years. The chief mechanic "grandfather" received good bonuses for saving diesel fuel: our ship ate about 900 tons of fuel per month. In a narrow circle, washing the next prize for a “glass of tea”, my grandfather always used to say - it’s not diesel that makes savings, but a ballpoint pen in skillful hands ... I mean “1 percent efficiency increase” and “0,2 percent economic growth” "
  47. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 23 December 2015 12: 15 New
    +4
    By the way, here we were talking about communists in the State Duma
    Quote: atalef
    Do you really think that Zyuganov ruined the country?
    you really think. that he will restore it?

    I’ll degenerate my opinion on this topic. I think that if the United Russia party couldn’t ditch the country, then the Communists won’t do it anyway.) laughing
    Quote: CON
    If Putin will continue to be pleased with the work of the government, then next year the Communists will rule in the Duma, and United Russia will jump through the 5 percent barrier ...)))))
    And if the next thought is vague, then the population will benefit from it, because it will be much more difficult to promote anti-people’s laws than for example now when such laws pass simply with a bang and in the shortest possible time (probably in anticipation of the end of their hegemony), and professional economics should operate a highly competent government. In general, in my opinion, when the pro-government parties have an overwhelming majority, this very negatively affects the well-being of the broad masses of the population and even if it is a new front-line, it will still be biased power and not the interests of the people in the first place. So it’s in vain to be so dismissive of the Communists, because in our time it’s hard to find people who are more decent than them, ideological and not spoiled by the authorities, especially in the primary ranks.
  48. kiparis
    kiparis 23 December 2015 13: 20 New
    +2
    It’s more convenient for Putin to rely on "crafty" numbers. He once said that after the collapse of the ruble, gas fell in price! True, in dollar terms. Rejoice! People are cheaper in relation to the dollar! Only salaries in rubles are paid. Maybe does not know the person? Maybe people hold for someone.
  49. alicante11
    alicante11 23 December 2015 14: 31 New
    +4
    Crisis-schmisis, lured, frankly. This is not a crisis. So, flowers.
    Well, think, WHO will invest in production in Russia, if we have only the capital construction and heating costs much higher than in most manufacturing countries. The oligarchic clique has chosen for itself that niche in which they are competitive in the global market - resources. Plus, the production of necessary foodstuffs and the defense industry is developing. It is clear that we are talking only about essential products, tomatoes and tangerines do not apply to them. They can also be imported. This is necessary for the food and military security of the country. Thus, investing in Russian production is that state that owners will be ONLY in the event of a market closure. When there will be no competitors. But just the closing of the market will lead to a crisis, when only bread and meat in the form of offal will be left from the food, there will be nothing to wear, Belvest will not shoe all the Far East, and Belarusian producers will not dress all of European Russia. In half a year, all personal and most public transport without foreign s / h will get up. Only Lada-Kalina will remain on track and will chase after them as a terrible deficit. About computer equipment and civilian communication systems, I am silent. Moreover, everything that will rise in price is SCARY. Because if under capitalism you have what many want to buy, then you will arrange an auction and sell it to the one who will give more.
    Like the picture? Of course, in years through 5-10, when the production of raw materials and then the enterprises for the production of goods are first established, the situation will begin to improve. But for some reason I don’t think that domestic products will be too cheap and affordable. And that there will be many of them. Well, who will minimize profits by filling up the market with cheap goods, if there is an opportunity to weld more on fewer goods at high prices? The oligarchs know how to count money. And nobody else in Russia can lift the production.
    So. There is no crisis, but what is there?
    Yes, just an economic war. Americans at the end of last year hit the ruble with oil prices and interventions. And ours took and under it devalued the ruble. As a result, the government capsule for domestic consumption has REALLY grown. I once cited the calculations that raising the dollar by 1 ruble gave us funds for the month of pension payments. The operation is brilliant, but as they say. "it was smooth on paper." Well, what kind of capitalist labor Stakhanovite will allow Korean radish to cost more than its environmentally friendly bits from the airport area? Of course, he (or she is a retired grandmother) will gladly raise the price by exactly the same 100% as the Koreans due to the devaluation of the ruble. And so everyone will do. And then it will be a long and tedious curse that ALL prices for 100% have increased, and only a pension for 4% has been added, and salaries have been cut. And again, the government and personally the GDP are to blame. But it’s not he who raises the price of meat products of local farmers and not Nabiullina and not even oligarchs. On the contrary, all the first half of the year the same gasoline was kept in place. But all do not care, prices both rose and rose further. The so-called "small business" maximized profits. Well, in the second half of the year did the oligarchs take their toll by raising all the tariffs and prices of natural monopolies, and much remains of your profit?
    What should be the conclusion? Haha, capitalism, we need a tough planned economy with elements of small business that cannot greedily affect macroeconomic indicators.
    1. troy
      troy 23 December 2015 14: 54 New
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      could put five pluses, would put)). planned economy as a ridge with elements of private business.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 23 December 2015 16: 54 New
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        Quote: troy
        could put five pluses, would put)). planned economy as a ridge with elements of private business.

        I support, about business there is an example of China that has made an economic breakthrough.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2015 16: 52 New
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      "WHO will invest in production in Russia, if we have only the costs of capital construction and heating are much higher than in most manufacturing countries" - you ask these guys - who invests - http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/? id = 106
  50. troy
    troy 23 December 2015 14: 33 New
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    author well done. clearly formulated the question. In America and Europe, the crisis is not so noticeable, because our hucksters invest in them during the sanctions. it is an economic sabotage that leads to the collapse of the state - there must be one payment for it — a wall. Moreover, to hide, we are in a state of war, albeit hybrid, but war. and why not announce it? are we afraid of our sworn partners?