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Thai army chooses new tanks

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Thai Ministry of Defense has created a special committee tasked with selecting and purchasing new Tanksto get out of the impasse with the receipt of Ukrainian "Oplot", the blog reports bmpd with reference to the resource aagth1.blogspot.co.id.


Tanks BM "Oplot-T" in Thailand.

“The committee considers as possible options for acquiring two types of tanks - Russian T-90 (in variants T-90С or T-90MS) and Chinese (presumably VT4 / MBT-3000). The decision must be made in the coming months. ”

The choice of options is dictated by the desire of the commanders to have tanks armed with 125 mm cannons, so Western designs do not participate in the competition.

The members of the Thai Committee have already visited the manufacturers in Russia (“Uralvagonzavod”) and China (“Inner Mongolia First Machinery Group”, is part of “Norinco”).

Bmpd recalls that in 2011, the Thai military concluded a contract worth about $ 240 million with Ukrspetsexport to purchase 49 BM Oplot-T tanks with a deadline for execution in 2014. However, by the deadline, Ukraine supplied only 5 machines. In total, the Thai military has now received 10 tanks. The following 5 MBT Ukrainian defense specialists promised to deliver at the beginning of 2016.

Thai army chooses new tanks Representatives of the Thai Army Committee on the acquisition of new main tanks during a visit to the Russian JSC NPK Uralvagonzavod.

Photos used:
nosikot.livejournal.com, aagth1.blogspot.co.id
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  1. Sinister
    Sinister 22 December 2015 15: 32 New
    +9
    Zrada or peremoga?
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 22 December 2015 15: 35 New
      19
      Unambiguous zrada! Moreover, there was information that Russian tanks were cheaper (!) Chinese. Who will the Thais give the contract to?
      1. Sinister
        Sinister 22 December 2015 15: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Unambiguous zrada!

        Well, somehow, when it comes to Ukraine, then everything doesn’t look so unequivocal and the next task can quite turn into wassat
        1. cniza
          cniza 22 December 2015 15: 39 New
          15
          Well, somehow the topic is not disclosed ... but what is Ukraine and what is the responsibility for the breakdown?
          1. rustemkm
            rustemkm 22 December 2015 16: 29 New
            +5
            And what about the Ukrainians ??? Again impose .... a moratorium and all, Biden will not give offense, yet !!!
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          4. bannik
            bannik 22 December 2015 22: 29 New
            0
            Shaw, what responsibility? Well, again, the damned M. Skali and Putin are to blame! Therefore, there can be no claims to the independence, by definition.
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        3. Temples
          Temples 22 December 2015 15: 45 New
          +9
          a contract worth about $ 240 million for the purchase of 49 BM Oplot-T tanks with a deadline of 2014. However, only 5 vehicles were delivered to Ukraine by the deadline.


          Well, let them drive five!
          They are not going to fight! At biathlon they can drop in to us.
          They will save less money on tankers and pay less.
          They helped the Ukrainian "manufacturer" by buying tanks of 48 lyam.
          And in the book of records - as the owners of the most expensive tanks!

          There are so many pluses from the deal!

          They need to close the topic with tanks and order planes in Ukraine.
          There will still be a bunch of positive emotions.

          And then swipe at space! Ukraine will put rockets!
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 22 December 2015 15: 40 New
        +9
        Quote: Sinister
        Zrada or peremoga?

        The hand of the Kremlin!

        PS But seriously, they can’t stupidly make a campaign anymore, as they say, “do not build to break”! Ukraine is really getting rid of the past of the USSR, it will soon be without factories, power plants, Ukraine will be a powerful agricultural superpower!)
        1. Sinister
          Sinister 22 December 2015 15: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Quote: Sinister
          Zrada or peremoga?

          The hand of the Kremlin!

          PS But seriously, they can’t stupidly make a campaign anymore, as they say, "do not build to break"! Ukraine is really getting rid of the past of the USSR, it will soon be without factories, power plants, maybe an agrarian power.)

          There is not a hand, but it looks like the other part of the body lit wassat
        2. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 22 December 2015 17: 37 New
          -12
          The irony is not appropriate here. Russia has not gone far. Businesses fly out one after another. UVZ and he is on the verge of bankruptcy. We can even stay without new tanks.
          1. Boos
            Boos 22 December 2015 19: 36 New
            -4
            Here the odes are sung to the sun, and you are right ...)))
          2. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 23 December 2015 03: 22 New
            +1
            Can I have at least one example? A plant that has stopped in the last five years?
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        4. Alexey Boukin
          Alexey Boukin 22 December 2015 19: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Quote: Sinister
          Zrada or peremoga?

          The hand of the Kremlin!

          PS But seriously, they can’t stupidly make a campaign anymore, as they say, “do not build to break”! Ukraine is really getting rid of the past of the USSR, it will soon be without factories, power plants, Ukraine will be a powerful agricultural superpower!)

          Ukraine with a strong industry does not need either the West or America.
          All that is required of it is territory and fertile land, in order to deploy military bases, export black soil and grow genetic agricultural products.
          It’s a pity for the simple people who became hostage to the Kiev junta.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 22 December 2015 22: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: alexey bukin

            Ukraine with a strong industry does not need either the West or America.
            All that is required of it is territory and fertile land, in order to deploy military bases, export black soil and grow genetic agricultural products.
            It’s a pity for the simple people who became hostage to the Kiev junta.


            Count it, but to us, it, too, with its industry is not needed. And with rich greasy land, it is all the more unnecessary.

            After the realization that the "brothers once .. fought" forever came, I understand that I do not need them. And the worse it will be for them - that's right!
            They have chosen such a life!
            Yourself!

            At least, maybe my relatives, TsSKB Progress, together with Kuznetsov, will build more missiles, rather than buy from Yuzhmash.
            Maybe they will restore Aviakor and start building planes - and they won’t buy from Antonov.
            Maybe the Motor Builder will learn to make turbines again - and they won’t buy it from MotorSich.
            and so on.
            Let my townspeople have a job and make money.
          2. benjerro
            benjerro 24 December 2015 11: 20 New
            0
            Quote: alexey bukin
            It’s a pity for the simple people who became hostage to the Kiev junta.


            I feel sorry only for the elderly. Only they are really hostages.
      3. Vanya Ivanov
        Vanya Ivanov 22 December 2015 16: 15 New
        +4
        here it’s not even the price that matters, but the experience of combat use. And in this, the Chinese are not our competitors.
      4. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 22 December 2015 16: 44 New
        -6
        China is Taiwan’s neighbor, and quarrels are sometimes neighbors.
        they need it - tanks from a neighbor? not even a matter of choice ...
      5. Kars
        Kars 22 December 2015 18: 12 New
        +3
        Thais were at Ural Expo exhibitions, there were a dozen other countries there. According to bmpd, the Oplot contract was canceled 3 years ago after the flood in Thailand. There is no official statement about the contract breaking, the tanks are in operation. So it is unlikely that something will change. This is where many argued that the Thais chose the Bastion under pressure from the United States, so it is strange to hear about the changes.
      6. Alf
        Alf 22 December 2015 21: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Who will the Thais give the contract to?

        To someone who will give a better loan. But it’s difficult to compete with the Chinese.
    2. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 22 December 2015 15: 37 New
      +4
      The code will begin to vote, we will understand))
      1. AUL
        AUL 22 December 2015 16: 56 New
        18
        Andrey Skokovsky
        China is Taiwan’s neighbor, and quarrels are sometimes neighbors.
        they need it - tanks from a neighbor? not even a matter of choice ...

        You won’t believe it, but Taiwan and Thailand are completely different states! I myself was shocked by this!
        1. Andrey Skokovsky
          Andrey Skokovsky 22 December 2015 17: 44 New
          -5
          Quote: AUL
          Andrey Skokovsky
          China is Taiwan’s neighbor, and quarrels are sometimes neighbors.
          they need it - tanks from a neighbor? not even a matter of choice ...

          You won’t believe it, but Taiwan and Thailand are completely different states! I myself was shocked by this!

          wrong but the meaning does not change from this, it was Thailand
          as for Taiwan, he had no choice and will not have
          today he’s going to freeze abrases of “friends”
          and tomorrow he will be protected by Chinese types
          the main thing is that between today and tomorrow there would be no war ....
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 22 December 2015 18: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            wrong but the meaning does not change from this, it was Thailand

            And yet, Thailand and China do not have a common border, although they share 130-140 km.
            But the most important thing is that they have almost no Russian and even Soviet weapons, but there is Chinese. So the military-technical cooperation between them has some sort of story.
            However, I think the Thais want our tanks, and the Chinese are included in the competition to reduce prices ...
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 22 December 2015 15: 39 New
      12
      Quote: Sinister
      Zrada or peremoga?


      Peremoga !!! Ukraine is a rich European country, and can even afford to fail to fulfill the order for the supply of tanks “stronghold” to Thailand. After all, what costs can be to the country of default and to the enterprise that is transferred to the military rails? Therefore, it is uniquely Peremoga Ukraine over the Asian economic Tigris. Few countries can afford reputational losses in the armament market, without fear of losing additional currency earnings for the country. Moreover, due to the lost order, dollar revenues will not come to Ruin, which means there will be no additional speculative phenomena due to the presence of real green paper in the state, hence the country will continue a stable forward course towards building a post-industrial society wassat
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 December 2015 16: 16 New
        +8
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Ukraine, it is a rich European state

        Judging by the first persons of the "state" - Jewish! wassat
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 22 December 2015 16: 21 New
        +1
        Hundreds of couchs can proudly announce that our supertanks will get our lads in the ATO fellow
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 22 December 2015 15: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Sinister
      Zrada or peremoga?



      Naturally. All this was read by sane people for a long time.
      The impoverished country of the eternal Maidan cannot produce and accompany the operation of modern weapons.
    5. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 22 December 2015 15: 44 New
      20
      Quote: Sinister
      Zrada or peremoga?

      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Unambiguous zrada!

      Zradometer rolls over ...
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 22 December 2015 16: 09 New
        10
        Quote: Chicot 1
        Zradometer rolls over ...

        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 22 December 2015 16: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Chicot 1
          Zradometer rolls over ...



          I think this:
    6. ratfly
      ratfly 22 December 2015 16: 01 New
      +4
      Thais got into ruin.
  2. mpzss
    mpzss 22 December 2015 15: 34 New
    +5
    they say again: Putin is to blame!
  3. avvg
    avvg 22 December 2015 15: 35 New
    +3
    Really "dill" threw the Thais? It can’t be, Ukraine is tse Europe!
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 22 December 2015 15: 35 New
    +6
    "However, by the deadline Ukraine had delivered only 5 cars."

    All Tatars except me. laughing Forgive me, Tatars, for such a banter.
    1. sniper
      sniper 22 December 2015 16: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Vladimirets
      All Tatars except me.

      It just infuriates me when they treat the Russian language so disrespectfully ... By posting an article, you can at least read what you wrote ... The tank is not a poker, here the spelling is unambiguous ... Sadly, in a word ...
  5. Altona
    Altona 22 December 2015 15: 35 New
    +5
    Here is such a Ukrainian business. We delivered exactly 20% of the declared amount. The default country and the same default business. Do not fulfill their obligations. But the cry is that the military industry grew by 350%. Yes, we, yes I, yes they are water-boys, and our tank is "the best in the world, but in single copies." From what level did they grow?
  6. KBR109
    KBR109 22 December 2015 15: 36 New
    +3
    Well, the Thais in the mud were snatched off in the mud after the Indians. In Ukraine, the revolution - once them - leave the nasty laughing Surely the Saudis will be third with the purchase of 30 Litaks AN-178 ??
  7. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 22 December 2015 15: 38 New
    +2
    like swearing again to blame
  8. Pirogov
    Pirogov 22 December 2015 15: 38 New
    +1
    Here Poroshenko how to start riveting tanks on Roshen and Bogdan, you’ll get everything. What in Thailand do you want to make sure that the president of the treasure is born? !!!
    1. Altona
      Altona 22 December 2015 15: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Pirogov
      Here is Poroshenko how to start riveting tanks on Roshen and Bogdan

      ------------------------
      On the "Lenin smithy" most likely. The "Hopak" rifle, and this is a castered Kalashnikov assault rifle on mortar bipods (well, which supplies they brought in, set them up) and a super-destroyer with an echo sounder for catching herring instead of a radar called "Gyurza-M", we have already seen. Well, and other Ukrainian innovations: the Azovets garbage lustering tank, an armored personnel carrier from chipboard, the Svyatiy Mikola mobile armored personnel carrier, the Stugna pipe firing grenades.
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 22 December 2015 16: 15 New
        +2
        What can I say if even ,,, such as ,,,. Corvette ,,. Vinitsa,... Dragged to the Lenin smithy for thorough repairs! It's nice to read how scared you Gyurza HA HA HA,. There are very worthy developments, but since they are not made, their fate is obvious!
        1. Altona
          Altona 22 December 2015 19: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Pirogov
          What can I say if even ,,, such as ,,,. Corvette ,,. Vinitsa,... Dragged to the Lenin smithy for thorough repairs! It's nice to read how scared you Gyurza HA HA HA,. There are very worthy developments, but since they are not made, their fate is obvious!

          -------------------------
          Well, yes, everything was just in shock from this 1:20 scale copy of Zumvalt, armed with a machine gun. Gyurza of the seas, of course, saw herself by the tail bit. laughing
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 22 December 2015 20: 40 New
            -1
            But as presented GYURZA-M ,, Europe ,,, x ,,, y ,, whether!
  9. Egor123
    Egor123 22 December 2015 15: 38 New
    0
    Ukrainians cannot cope ... They will say that Putin and the "separatists" in the Donbas are to blame.
  10. Alekseev
    Alekseev 22 December 2015 15: 38 New
    +3
    Look what kind of Thai Himalayans are bad! They don’t want to wait a bit!
    And they, the sneakers, sniffed out that Zd Malysheva did not make new tanks now because of the collapse, the breakdown in cooperation with the Russian Federation and the depletion of the T-80UD stock from which the Bastions were remade.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 22 December 2015 15: 43 New
      +2
      And the tanks "Azovets" for what? And dear ones! Handmade ! laughing
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2015 15: 38 New
    +1
    And they paid an advance to the Svidomo? Well, is that all they need? Which tanks? And the Chinese 99th - well, I don’t know. The Chinese did not dare to bring him to the tank biathlon. From the 96th - screwed up. And then I would have to compete with the 90th. Competition. Dragon children do not like this. This is not in words TTX polish.
    1. Altona
      Altona 22 December 2015 22: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And they paid an advance to the Svidomo? Well, is that all they need? Which tanks? And the Chinese 99th - well, I don’t know. The Chinese did not dare to bring him to the tank biathlon. From the 96th - screwed up. And then I would have to compete with the 90th. Competition. Dragon children do not like this. This is not in words TTX polish.

      ----------------------
      The Chinese MVT-3000 was considered, but did not like either in terms of performance or operation, and the infrastructure is geared towards servicing post-Soviet tanks. In addition, the T-90 is made under license and with spare parts from India, for example, there are no problems.
  12. seti
    seti 22 December 2015 15: 39 New
    10
    Yes, it's time to understand that such contracts need to be concluded with serious suppliers. This refers to large countries that have a certain weight in world society and are capable of producing military products of the highest quality in the shortest possible time. Recently, this is important. And to conclude a similar contract with Ukraine ... It initially looked like an adventure. So what are waiting for the Thais t-90MS
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 22 December 2015 15: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: seti
      Yes, it's time to understand that such contracts need to be concluded with serious suppliers. This refers to large countries that have a certain weight in world society and are capable of producing military products of the highest quality in the shortest possible time. Recently, this is important. And to conclude a similar contract with Ukraine ... It initially looked like an adventure. So what are waiting for the Thais t-90MS

      I am sorry for you. After all, PS will beat you for such statements. Somewhere in the gateway. crying
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 22 December 2015 15: 53 New
      +4
      Curiously, how many tanks in our aircraft are in the T 90MS configuration?
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 December 2015 16: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: seti
      And to conclude a similar contract with Ukraine ... It initially looked like an adventure.

      There is one subtle point. At that time, Ukraine was still a reliable supplier of tanks. Not new, though - the cars came from storage. But deliveries were on time. And Kharkov worked somehow ...
      Plus at that time it was not yet fully known about the problems of Iraqi armored personnel carriers.
  13. gukoyan
    gukoyan 22 December 2015 15: 41 New
    +2
    I remember many were upset that they chose the Khokhlyat stronghold, and not our T-90, so justice has triumphed!)
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 22 December 2015 15: 55 New
      -3
      Who was more upset! And to be honest, the T-90 is even cheaper than the Oplot in many respects, what is the T 90 modernization of the T 72? or I don’t know something? And even if you say that the stronghold of modernization is 80, this alone is enough between these machines for at least 10 years of difference, and if there were people in power in the country and not critters, then there would be no breakdown of the contract, .....
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 22 December 2015 16: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: Pirogov
        Who was more upset! And to be honest, the T-90 is even cheaper than the Oplot in many respects, what is the T 90 modernization of the T 72? or I don’t know something? And even if you say that the stronghold of modernization is 80, this alone is enough between these machines for at least 10 years of difference, and if there were people in power in the country and not critters, then there would be no breakdown of the contract, .....


        I have to upset you, colleague. Failure of the contract is an absolutely predictable and expected event, at least for one single, but rather important detail. I already wrote about this more than once, for you I will repeat. On, or in Ukraine (as you wish), NEVER WAS PRODUCTION OF WEAPONS! And for some reason I’m sure that it will not be.
        If in doubt, a colleague, specialists of the plant named after Malysheva, not on camera will tell you all this. soldier
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 22 December 2015 16: 37 New
          +2
          Fully agree with you Vladimir. Therefore, I wrote that under the current government this can be said to be impossible,
      2. Dimon19661
        Dimon19661 22 December 2015 16: 32 New
        +1
        About parameters in more detail please.
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 22 December 2015 16: 48 New
          -1
          After the collapse of the USSR, the development of the T-80UD and T-72B (U) tanks, later known as the T-90, followed an individual path. The directions of these works were close and consisted in increasing security, mobility and firepower. The Ukrainian T-80UD tank of modern modification received the T-84 index (subsequently its improved version of Oplot), the Russian T-72BU tank in the modern version has the T-90A index.

          What is the difference between a Russian tank and a Ukrainian one today?
          The fire control system of the T-84 and T-90 tank provides for the equipping with thermal imaging sights (TVP) of domestic or joint production using imported FPU (France). In contrast to the T-90, the Oplot uses a panoramic commander’s sight with a thermal imaging channel, which significantly increases the commander’s visibility capabilities when working at night and in low visibility conditions.
          The T-84 tank has an additional power unit ensuring the operation of all its systems with the engine turned off. The T-90 tank does not have this.
          The designs of the on-board gearboxes also differ, on the Oplot there are seven forward and four reverse gears, on the T-90 seven forward and one reverse gears. Oplot's speed is 30 km / h in reverse, and 90 km / h on the T-5. The control levers of the driver’s mechanic at the Oplot are replaced by a helm.
          In addition, the Oplot tank was equipped with a more powerful power plant with a 6TD-2E engine (1200 hp vs 1000 hp on the T-90A). A feature of Oplot SU is low power loss during operation in conditions of elevated ambient temperatures. Significant power losses are observed on a T-90A equipped with a V-92 engine at elevated ambient temperatures, so at a temperature of + 550 ° C the engine power is less than 600 hp. Both tanks can be equipped with air conditioning as an option to complete the tank, this improves the living conditions of the crew.

          Length with gun forward 9,72 m, body length 7,075 m, track width 3,4 m, protective blocks 4,176, height at the commander’s sight 2,8 m
          Mass xnumx t
          3 crew
          Ground clearance (clearance) 470-500 mm
          Track width 2,8 m
          Power plant: 6TD-6E 2-cylinder horizontal multi-fuel two-stroke diesel engine with direct-flow blowing, with a capacity of 1200 hp (883 kW) at 2600 rpm
          Specific engine power 24,7 hp / t
          Maximum speed on the highway 70 km / h, cross country 45 km / h
          Reverse speed: minimum 4,8 km / h, maximum 31,3 km / h
          Cruising on the highway 400 km on the main fuel tanks, 500 km with additional barrels
          Cruising over rough terrain 350 km on main fuel tanks, 450 km with additional barrels
          Fuel capacity 575 + 570 + 380
          Fuel consumption when driving on a highway 300 l / 100km, on a dirt road 325-370 l / 100km
          Armament: 125-mm smoothbore gun KBA3, 7,62 mm PKT machine gun, 12,7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun KT-12,7
          Ammunition: 46 shots 125-mm, 1250 cartridges 7,62-mm, 450 cartridges 12,7-mm
          Specific pressure on soil 0,97 kgf / cm2
          Overcoming obstacle: ford with depth 1,8 m, with OPVT (equipment for underwater driving of tank) - up to 5 m, wall with height 1 m, ditch width 2,85 m, angle of lift 32 °, roll 25 °
          .
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 22 December 2015 17: 19 New
            +8
            Quote: Pirogov
            After the collapse of the USSR, the development of the T-80UD and T-72B (U) tanks, later known as the T-90, followed an individual path. The directions of these works were close and consisted in increasing security, mobility and firepower. The Ukrainian T-80UD tank of modern modification received the T-84 index (subsequently its improved version of Oplot), the Russian T-72BU tank in the modern version has the T-90A index.

            Good advertising "stronghold" .. But the reality is that the T-90 has an enhanced reservation. Moreover, decently enhanced, from the T-72 .. The mainstay of business .. was from old buildings, still Soviet-built. I’m not ready to develop and produce it Maidan to roam.
            On sights .. There is generally a dark forest and it is unclear what you are comparing. The final version of ACS and TIUS is known only to specialists .. I at least did not find details on the network.
            Now the engines .. Well, you know .. A two-stroke diesel engine will NEVER be better than a four-stroke engine. And this is a two-stroke engine that loses much power when the temperature rises and the oxygen concentration decreases. Such is the syalyavi and theory / practice of engine building. The only plus is 2-stroke diggers .. they are able to develop more speed than 4-stroke. But for such a diesel engine the main thrust ..
            I think Oplot in T-72b3 racing will yield and decently.

            Among other things .. The industry of the Russian Federation produces and constantly upgrades the tanks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, in cooperation with the Belarusians. But Ukraine is not needed in this process at all. On the other hand .. Kharkovites cannot do anything without Russian industry. Even if Poroshenko becomes the owner of this plant, nothing will change.
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov 22 December 2015 18: 29 New
              -5
              Dvina Your quote ,,,. I think Oplot in T-72b3 racing will give in decently. ,,,, ::: this is nonsense. I don’t even want to argue with you. Yes, and about the Oplot advertisement, I personally ... er, and if in 2016 Ukraine will establish the production of its guns and reach at least some capacity, why cooperate with someone?! And ukroboronexport cooperates with Belarus on many products., It was with all the presidents, and even the current preserver asking for something doesn’t bother Old Man much,
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 22 December 2015 18: 41 New
                +6
                Quote: Pirogov
                Dvina Your quote


                The fact that you posted this copy-paste from the network is a regular advertisement ..
                You don’t have to argue with me .. here on VO there was a video of T-64 against T-72 .. guess three times how many buildings T-64 lost to ..
                There are no miracles. In operation, there were practically no 2-stroke diesel engines. Yes, they are simpler and more compact, but very moody. Lightweight and highly dependent on the quality of the air received. This is not what I came up with, this is a harsh reality. Moreover .. in a 2-stroke diesel engine, in principle, it is impossible to adjust the phase angles. And at low speeds they have low thrust ..
                1. Pirogov
                  Pirogov 22 December 2015 18: 53 New
                  -2
                  Yes, I saw this video, and who will say what is the service life of these machines? Is he the same?
            2. Pirogov
              Pirogov 22 December 2015 18: 47 New
              -1
              Yes, and Dvina. And what do you say about the power plants for your frigates or watchdogs that Nikolaev did and the greedy Kuyavian authorities refused to sell them to you refusing such profits, it’s clear for the sake of whom.?. And now Russia has a lot of questions with this because Germany refused what remains china? ,,,,,
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 22 December 2015 19: 16 New
                -1
                The Chinese went in began to minus!
                1. johnny
                  johnny 22 December 2015 19: 43 New
                  +6
                  Ended arguments about the tanks switched to ships?))
                  About 4T and 2T diesel engines. there is a video where an old T-55 abrupt start from a place on time leaves the projectile. In such a situation, a 2t diesel would only have time to roar with its engine or die out. 4T has the undeniable advantage of a sharp jerk from the spot, which is very important for the tank. Not talking about reliability, efficiency, etc.
                  1. Pirogov
                    Pirogov 22 December 2015 20: 22 New
                    +4
                    Guys, the only thing I wanted to convey to Dvina was that from the fact that railway station in Ukraine and between our countries it is beneficial to everyone except Ukraine and Russia,.
                    1. dvina71
                      dvina71 22 December 2015 21: 13 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Pirogov
                      Guys, the only thing I wanted to convey to Dvina was that from the fact that it’s in Ukraine and between our countries it is beneficial to everyone except Ukraine and Russia,

                      And who did this asshole ..? you can’t answer anything .. spit. Ukraine is turning into what it was historically a wild field. Apparently there is such an atmosphere .. that even Russian people become Russian enemies.
                      I really hope that the next reorganization of the wild field will be done at your expense.
              2. dvina71
                dvina71 22 December 2015 19: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Pirogov
                Yes, and Dvina. What can you say about the power plants for your frigates?

                There was a time when it was our frinates .. and cruisers .. and apl .. For what did you turn your country into a cesspool?
                For frigates adapt diesel locomotives. They are also 4-stroke.
                1. Pirogov
                  Pirogov 22 December 2015 20: 36 New
                  +2
                  I’ll say Dvina gently walk through the forest, I won’t communicate with you anymore because I THINK BENDERS AND Natsyks and OTHER HU.E.TA HAD HEADS FROM SUCH AS YOU WITS. I didn’t ride on the Maidan and didn’t support it, I LIVE IN ZAPOROGE WITH US. THE MAIDAN WAS NOT SUPPORTED FOR ANY EVENT; I HAVE NO SUCH SIGNS,.
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 22 December 2015 21: 06 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Pirogov
                    because I BELIEVE THAT BENDERS AND Natsyki AND OTHER HU.E.TA HAVE RAISED HEADS FROM SUCH AS WISE


                    Wow .. again, m o with k a l to blame. You see ... my ancestors are Don Cossacks .. And we have .. Cossacks .. there is such a proverb - the sword does not break the guilty head. You just have to have the strength and the will to say .. yes, I’m ... k, and I did it wrong .. sorry, I’ll correct myself.
                    and here you are .. nezalezhantsy .., you all have someone else to blame .., although the DEMO lies INSIDE your pants.

                    As you see in Russia, the Vlasov did not become a hero, and Krasnov was hanged on business .. no matter how your curators tried, but here we are. Guess why ..
                    1. Pirogov
                      Pirogov 22 December 2015 21: 32 New
                      0
                      And my ancestors are Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, and WHAT YOU ARE GUILTING TO ME. You accused me that I turned the country into a cesspool, believe me they didn’t ask and didn’t ask anyone, these Maidavans opposed themselves and the GORANT escaped, and the people were left alone with the prepared detachments to fight, you know what kind of pres there was and is, I’m writing to you and generally on the site and I don’t know what article these democrats can sew for me, and you are ME nezalezhantsy ,,,,
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 22 December 2015 22: 25 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pirogov
                        And my ancestors are Zaporozhye Cossacks,

                        Do not tryndi. There are no descendants of Zaporozhtsev in Ukraine. This is a historical fact.
                        And I do not sculpt you, but I say as it is.
                        Maybe you at least helped the Golden Eagle in Kiev? T brought food? Firewood? And then they there, protecting your ass, slept on the street on shields and ate suhpai. Did they even morally support them? Or did you sit by the telly and, like a true nezalez, were waiting for what would carry? And this .. you .. flow .. what helped?

                        They didn’t wait in Crimea, they didn’t wait in Donetsk .. did someone bother you? Gorant? Putin M about with to l and?
                    2. Pirogov
                      Pirogov 22 December 2015 21: 37 New
                      -2
                      and what are you m, oh, s, k, alya blame me for guilty, do you have censorship here too? I left one letter from mos, k, a, la!
                      1. kil 31
                        kil 31 22 December 2015 23: 28 New
                        -1
                        Imagine censorship goes in all directions. No one can write an insulting word against you. Explain dvine after this video why you were a Cossack Zaporizhzhya sitting at home and watched this video in local news while drinking beer. Then otmazyvaeshsya is to blame Putin and ours at the top. Yours at the top are chosen the same as you who squeezed a point and sat at home watching local news.
          2. kapitan92
            kapitan92 22 December 2015 22: 29 New
            +4
            The Kharkov school of tank building was among the foremost in the USSR and no one denies this.
            “Strongholds” are burning in Donbass, burning from RPGs, burning from ATGMs and a reverse speed of 30km per hour does not help!
            1. Kars
              Kars 22 December 2015 22: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: kapitan92
              "Strongholds" are burning in Donbass, burning from RPGs, burning from ATGMs and the rear speed of 30km per hour does not help

              Really? Do not share the photo?
              1. kapitan92
                kapitan92 22 December 2015 22: 44 New
                +4
                And you ride in the Donbass. There is an "oil painting"!
                1. Kars
                  Kars 22 December 2015 23: 22 New
                  +1
                  Quote: kapitan92
                  And you ride in the Donbass. There is an "oil painting"!

                  Then what are the problems with the photo? The phones have sat down? And then what are you better than those who Almaty burns in the same Donbass?
              2. The comment was deleted.
              3. kil 31
                kil 31 23 December 2015 00: 30 New
                +1
                Here is the answer to your question.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 23 December 2015 10: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Kil 31
                  Here is the answer to your question.

                  So write. I don’t understand the topic. I can’t distinguish the Bulwark from Bulat.
                  Quote: Victor-M
                  We didn’t have time to shoot, burned to the ground, while they were looking for something to shoot.

                  It can be seen that the Armats are the same that they did not have time to shoot either.
                2. Serg81
                  Serg81 24 December 2015 10: 58 New
                  0
                  This is damask, i.e. the modernized T-64, it seems they were only in one brigade
              4. Victor-M
                Victor-M 23 December 2015 02: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Kars
                Quote: kapitan92
                "Strongholds" are burning in Donbass, burning from RPGs, burning from ATGMs and the rear speed of 30km per hour does not help

                Really? Do not share the photo?

                They didn’t have time to shoot, they burned to the ground, while they were looking for something to shoot.
  14. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 22 December 2015 15: 43 New
    +3
    It is not surprising that one more was burned at the so-called "cooperation" with Ukrainians. The question was only about the patience of the Thais. I hope that they will end on those who want to experiment with this territory of eternal force majeure and default.
  15. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 22 December 2015 15: 46 New
    +1
    On the day the power industry should talk about energy. In Khokhlov, the energy of consumption exceeded many times the energy of creating them gradually and inevitably draws in ....
  16. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 22 December 2015 15: 49 New
    +2
    How much can Baron be upset! smile

    After the opupei with the Iraqi armored personnel carriers, there was only one hope for 404, the light in the window was a Thai contract. Well, so what with the fact that the delivery time has almost expired - the customer is waiting. Maybe something else to buy ...

    And here is such a crap. Wells! belay
    1. Imperial
      Imperial 22 December 2015 16: 14 New
      +2
      The news walks the second day on the net, and Ondryusha is silent as partisans during interrogation, he used to blame the Thais, they say they have a revolution, they just don’t have any money (he’s probably mistaken Thailand with a ridiculous little thing), let’s see how it sings now.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 22 December 2015 17: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Imperial
        The news walks the second day on the network, and Ondryusha is silent as partisans during interrogation

        Nothing else to write in style everything goes according to plan.

        If he is flying towers and decaying at the seams of the hull the best Soviet tank T-64 somehow justified.
  17. dsi
    dsi 22 December 2015 15: 53 New
    0
    Once Russia rescued the Thais, for which the emperor received a Siamese cat as a present. And their attitude towards the Chinese, in my opinion, is ambiguous.
    And Ukrainian Oh raft! it's too cool ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 December 2015 23: 49 New
      +1
      And what is their relationship to the Chinese? Given that there are 9 million ethnic Chinese in the country, a lot of mixed Thai-Chinese marriages, and a significant part of Thai politicians and businessmen have Chinese roots?
  18. Maksus
    Maksus 22 December 2015 15: 54 New
    -1
    Given the pricing policy of the managers of Uralvagonzavod, the contract will go to China. There, however, politics is more flexible. Yes, after such a failure of Ukrainians, our team had to transfer the first batch of five tanks for free.
  19. Pereira
    Pereira 22 December 2015 15: 54 New
    +3
    Bastion is boring and non-creative.
    Thais would look at the Ukrainian Shushpatsers to see the creation (from the word), so to speak, of a galloping Ukrainian genius. That's where the flight of imagination and brilliance of intelligence. I typed in Google "Ukrainian Shushpanzer", I can not stop looking.
  20. knn54
    knn54 22 December 2015 15: 59 New
    +2
    Something was amiss in the "Ukroboronprom" kingdom, for a short period the heads of the Nikolaev, Kiev armored factories and steam at the Kharkov plant named after him were removed from their posts. Malysheva.
    Most likely they will take the T-90CA. Moreover, Algeria and India praise the T-90 ...
  21. 52
    52 22 December 2015 16: 02 New
    +2
    Thais did not seem to be inadequate, but why did the tribe of jumping jumpers pay for incomprehensible quiescent strollers? It seems that the fame about the honesty and commitment of these clowns was already known ...
  22. izya top
    izya top 22 December 2015 16: 02 New
    +2
    exhale thais recourse all the world wassat found someone to contact. in Kukuev, some temporary workers are hoping to grab with both hands and fade. only time is running out
  23. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 22 December 2015 16: 03 New
    +1
    Democracy! FTA with the EU! Visa-free regime! Putin is a tyrant! Poroshenko is the president of the world! Abroad will help us! (Secret union of the Sword and the Oral laughing as in the "Twelve Chairs")

    And such a simple thing, how to fulfill a profitable commercial contract on time, these European democrats can not. With such speed, they will fulfill the contract for another 8 years.
    Who will buy now "Stronghold"Who will buy anything in Ukraine, looking at the unprecedented achievements of the bargain democracy - grabbing the prime minister for tricks, dousing the opponent with water, treating the deputy’s head with the feet of another deputy, etc.
  24. Specialist 77
    Specialist 77 22 December 2015 16: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: knn54
    Something was amiss in the "Ukroboronprom" kingdom, for a short period the heads of the Nikolaev, Kiev armored factories and steam at the Kharkov plant named after him were removed from their posts. Malysheva.

    a deliberately created mess ..... the failure of the contract is not terrible only for those who are not going to stay for a long time in their positions ..... the advance payment has been mastered .... the appearance of intense activity is taking place ..... the country should go a little deeper in debt .... this is the goal .... then the debts are redeemed by interested persons who begin to dictate the terms ..... raider seizure nationwide ....
  25. afrikanez
    afrikanez 22 December 2015 16: 16 New
    +1
    And here the Ukrainians screwed up, they don’t even want to earn money on tanks. What else can I talk about, and is it worth talking about them at all? angry
  26. fa2998
    fa2998 22 December 2015 16: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    ., and what is Ukraine and what is the responsibility for the breakdown?

    “Do not tell my hooves!” But Chinese wheat, and Russian 3 billion. $ - I think there will be no more tanks, not the Thais contacted! wassat hi
  27. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 22 December 2015 16: 30 New
    +1
    Let them choose our tank, if only this deal was not at the expense of the Russian army.
  28. Gvfrog
    Gvfrog 22 December 2015 16: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Ukraine, it is a rich European state

    Judging by the first persons of the "state" - Jewish! wassat

    There is no need to insult the two nations, and our government along the way is generally Jewish, and as I was told by a Jew friend of mine, Jew is not a nationality, it is a designation of a humanoid creature regardless of the nation, for whom there is nothing sacred in the issue of getting a cash draw.
  29. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 22 December 2015 17: 03 New
    +1
    I wonder who they will choose. Most likely the Chinese, firstly at hand, and secondly, the Chinese generously lend such deals.
  30. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 22 December 2015 17: 48 New
    +1
    I hope the order will be ours! Anyway, the Chinese tanks are mostly licked from ours, so it's better to take the original than a fake! *)
  31. Horst78
    Horst78 22 December 2015 22: 31 New
    0
    The choice of options is dictated by the desire of the commanders to have tanks armed with 125 mm cannons, so Western designs do not participate in the competition.
    Interesting than Thais extra 5 mm. I liked it. Technically, it’s not a caliber now (unless you shoot by blanks), but the filling of shells matters.
  32. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 22 December 2015 23: 59 New
    0
    oh, I’m afraid for the Thais, it’s not our tanks that will be chosen - I will read such things to myself ... with anatomical details
    laughing
  33. Ilya77
    Ilya77 23 December 2015 07: 43 New
    0
    Our specialists will be lucky if the T-90 wins ... Business trips to Thailand are generally gorgeous.
  34. Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 December 2015 08: 07 New
    0
    It’s strange ... There are practically no UKRALIN countries, but tanks, as many as 10 units, are still floating somewhere in the jungle ...
  35. Hammer
    Hammer 23 December 2015 08: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Pirogov
    After the collapse of the USSR, the development of the T-80UD and T-72B (U) tanks, later known as the T-90, followed an individual path. The directions of these works were close and consisted in increasing security, mobility and firepower. The Ukrainian T-80UD tank of modern modification received the T-84 index (subsequently its improved version of Oplot), the Russian T-72BU tank in the modern version has the T-90A index.


    Not a damn thing you know neither about tanks, nor about their development, nor about production.
  36. johnny
    johnny 23 December 2015 10: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Kil 31
    Here is the answer to your question.

    I will correct it. This is Bulat T-64BM. They have only a couple of strongholds themselves.
  37. mamont5
    mamont5 23 December 2015 11: 39 New
    0
    Quote: cniza
    Well, somehow the topic is not disclosed ... but what is Ukraine and what is the responsibility for the breakdown?

    But what is ukrov responsibility? As with cockroaches ... Nail with a slipper and that's it ...
  38. mamont5
    mamont5 23 December 2015 11: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Evil 55
    It’s strange ... There are practically no UKRALIN countries, but tanks, as many as 10 units, are still floating somewhere in the jungle ...

    So these 10 pieces are the ONLY "Bastions" that were embodied in the metal and then - the tools for them had to be taken from the mobile reserve, because Russia refused to supply, but those produced at home did not pull in reliability (it was somewhere on the network).