Thai army chooses new tanks

Thai Ministry of Defense has created a special committee tasked with selecting and purchasing new Tanksto get out of the impasse with the receipt of Ukrainian "Oplot", the blog reports bmpd with reference to the resource aagth1.blogspot.co.id.

Tanks BM "Oplot-T" in Thailand.

“The committee considers as possible options for acquiring two types of tanks - Russian T-90 (in variants T-90С or T-90MS) and Chinese (presumably VT4 / MBT-3000). The decision must be made in the coming months. ”

The choice of options is dictated by the desire of the commanders to have tanks armed with 125 mm cannons, so Western designs do not participate in the competition.

The members of the Thai Committee have already visited the manufacturers in Russia (“Uralvagonzavod”) and China (“Inner Mongolia First Machinery Group”, is part of “Norinco”).

Bmpd recalls that in 2011, the Thai military concluded a contract worth about $ 240 million with Ukrspetsexport to purchase 49 BM Oplot-T tanks with a deadline for execution in 2014. However, by the deadline, Ukraine supplied only 5 machines. In total, the Thai military has now received 10 tanks. The following 5 MBT Ukrainian defense specialists promised to deliver at the beginning of 2016.

Representatives of the Thai Army Committee on the acquisition of new main tanks during a visit to the Russian JSC NPK Uralvagonzavod.

Comments

[Sinister]

Zrada or peremoga?

[Ami du peuple]

Unambiguous zrada! Moreover, there was information that Russian tanks were cheaper (!) Chinese. Who will the Thais give the contract to?

[Sinister]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Unambiguous zrada!

Well, somehow, when it comes to Ukraine, then everything doesn’t look so unequivocal and the next task can quite turn into

[cniza]

Well, somehow the topic is not disclosed ... but what is Ukraine and what is the responsibility for the breakdown?

[rustemkm]

And what about the Ukrainians ??? Again impose .... a moratorium and all, Biden will not give offense, yet !!!

[bannik]

Shaw, what responsibility? Well, again, the damned M. Skali and Putin are to blame! Therefore, there can be no claims to the independence, by definition.

[Temples]

a contract worth about $ 240 million for the purchase of 49 BM Oplot-T tanks with a deadline of 2014. However, only 5 vehicles were delivered to Ukraine by the deadline.

Well, let them drive five!
They are not going to fight! At biathlon they can drop in to us.
They will save less money on tankers and pay less.
We helped the Ukrainian "manufacturer" by purchasing tanks of 48 Llamas.
And in the book of records - as the owners of the most expensive tanks!

There are so many pluses from the deal!

They need to close the topic with tanks and order planes in Ukraine.
There will still be a bunch of positive emotions.

And then swipe at space! Ukraine will put rockets!

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Sinister

Zrada or peremoga?

The hand of the Kremlin!

PS But seriously, the campaign stupidly can no longer produce, as they say "to break, do not build"! Ukraine is really getting rid of the past of the USSR, it will soon be without factories, power plants, Ukraine will be a mighty agrarian superpower!)

[Sinister]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Quote: Sinister

Zrada or peremoga?

The hand of the Kremlin!

PS But seriously, the campaign stupidly can no longer produce, as they say "to break, not to build"! Ukraine is really getting rid of the past of the USSR, will soon be without factories, power plants, maybe an agrarian power.)

There is not a hand, but it looks like the other part of the body lit

[Evgeniy667b]

The irony is not appropriate here. Russia has not gone far. Businesses fly out one after another. UVZ and he is on the verge of bankruptcy. We can even stay without new tanks.

[Boos]

Here the odes are sung to the sun, and you are right ...)))

[33 Watcher]

Can I have at least one example? A plant that has stopped in the last five years?

[Alexey Boukin]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Quote: Sinister

Zrada or peremoga?

The hand of the Kremlin!

PS But seriously, the campaign stupidly can no longer produce, as they say "to break, do not build"! Ukraine is really getting rid of the past of the USSR, it will soon be without factories, power plants, Ukraine will be a mighty agrarian superpower!)

Ukraine with a strong industry does not need either the West or America.
All that is required of it is territory and fertile land, in order to deploy military bases, export black soil and grow genetic agricultural products.
It’s a pity for the simple people who became hostage to the Kiev junta.

[mav1971]

Quote: alexey bukin

Ukraine with a strong industry does not need either the West or America.
All that is required of it is territory and fertile land, in order to deploy military bases, export black soil and grow genetic agricultural products.
It’s a pity for the simple people who became hostage to the Kiev junta.

Count it, but to us, it, too, with its industry is not needed. And with rich greasy land, it is all the more unnecessary.

After the realization came that "brothers once .. fought" forever - I understand that I do not need them. And the worse it will be for them - so rightly so !!!
They have chosen such a life!
Yourself!

At least, maybe my relatives, TsSKB Progress, together with Kuznetsov, will build more missiles, rather than buy from Yuzhmash.
Maybe they will restore Aviakor and start building planes - and they won’t buy from Antonov.
Maybe the Motor Builder will learn to make turbines again - and they won’t buy it from MotorSich.
and so on.
Let my townspeople have a job and make money.

[Benjerro]

Quote: alexey bukin

It’s a pity for the simple people who became hostage to the Kiev junta.

I feel sorry only for the elderly. Only they are really hostages.

[Vanya Ivanov]

here it’s not even the price that matters, but the experience of combat use. And in this, the Chinese are not our competitors.

[Andrey Skokovsky]

China is Taiwan’s neighbor, and quarrels are sometimes neighbors.
they need it - tanks from a neighbor? not even a matter of choice ...

[Kars]

Thais were at Ural Expo exhibitions, there were a dozen other countries there. According to bmpd, the Oplot contract was canceled 3 years ago after the flood in Thailand. There is no official statement about the contract breaking, the tanks are in operation. So it is unlikely that something will change. This is where many argued that the Thais chose the Bastion under pressure from the United States, so it is strange to hear about the changes.

[Alf]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Who will the Thais give the contract to?

To someone who will give a better loan. But it’s difficult to compete with the Chinese.

[Red_Hamer]

The code will begin to vote, we will understand))

[AUL]

Andrey Skokovsky
China is Taiwan’s neighbor, and quarrels are sometimes neighbors.
they need it - tanks from a neighbor? not even a matter of choice ...
You won’t believe it, but Taiwan and Thailand are completely different states! I myself was shocked by this!

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote from AUL

Andrey Skokovsky
China is Taiwan’s neighbor, and quarrels are sometimes neighbors.
they need it - tanks from a neighbor? not even a matter of choice ...
You won’t believe it, but Taiwan and Thailand are completely different states! I myself was shocked by this!

wrong but the meaning does not change from this, it was Thailand
as for Taiwan, he had no choice and will not have
today abrams "friends" will drive him for free
and tomorrow he will be protected by Chinese types
the main thing is that between today and tomorrow there would be no war ....

[nerd.su]

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

wrong but the meaning does not change from this, it was Thailand

And yet, Thailand and China do not have a common border, although they share 130-140 km.
But the most important thing is that they have almost no Russian and even Soviet weapons, but there is Chinese. So the military-technical cooperation between them has some sort of story.
However, I think the Thais want our tanks, and the Chinese are included in the competition to reduce prices ...

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Sinister

Zrada or peremoga?

Peremoga !!! Ukraine is a rich European state, and can even afford the failure to fulfill the order for the supply of tanks "oplot" to Thailand. After all, what are the costs to the default country and to the enterprise that has been put on a war footing? Therefore, it is hesignificantly the Peremoga of Ukraine over the Asian economic Tiger. Few countries can afford reputational losses in the arms market without fear of losing additional foreign exchange earnings for the country. Moreover, thanks to the lost order, dollar receipts will not come to the Ruin, which means there will be no additional speculative phenomena due to the presence of real green paper in the state, therefore the country will continue a stable forward course towards building a post-industrial society

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Ukraine, it is a rich European state

Judging by the first persons of the "state" - Jewish!

[Stirbjorn]

Hundreds of couchs can proudly announce that our supertanks will get our lads in the ATO

[Denis Obukhov]

Quote: Sinister

Zrada or peremoga?

Naturally. All this was read by sane people for a long time.
The impoverished country of the eternal Maidan cannot produce and accompany the operation of modern weapons.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: Sinister
Zrada or peremoga?

Quote: Ami du peuple
Unambiguous zrada!

Zradometer rolls over ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Chicot 1

Zradometer rolls over ...

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Chicot 1

Zradometer rolls over ...

I think this:

[ratfly]

Thais got into ruin.

[mpzss]

they say again: Putin is to blame!

[avvg]

Did the "dill" throw the Thai people? It cannot be, Ukraine is not Europe!

[Vladimirets]

"However, only 5 cars were delivered to Ukraine by the specified date."

All Tatars except me. Forgive me, Tatars, for such a banter.

[sniper]

Quote: Vladimirets

All Tatars except me.

It just infuriates me when they treat the Russian language so disrespectfully ... By posting an article, you can at least read what you wrote ... The tank is not a poker, here the spelling is unambiguous ... Sadly, in a word ...

[Altona]

This is such a Ukrainian business. We delivered exactly 20% of the declared amount. The default country and business are the same default. Do not fulfill their obligations. And the cry is that the military industry has grown by 350%. Yes we are, yes I am, yes they are Vatoimers, yes, our tank is "the best in the world, but in single copies." From what level did that grow?

[KBR109]

Well, the Thais in the mud were snatched off in the mud after the Indians. In Ukraine, the revolution - once them - leave the nasty Surely the Saudis will be third with the purchase of 30 Litaks AN-178 ??

[Red_Hamer]

like swearing again to blame

[Pirogov]

Here Poroshenko how to start riveting tanks on Roshen and Bogdan, you’ll get everything. What in Thailand do you want to make sure that the president of the treasure is born? !!!

[Altona]

Quote: Pirogov

Here is Poroshenko how to start riveting tanks on Roshen and Bogdan

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Most likely at the Leninskaya Kuznaya. We have already seen the "Hopak" rifle, and this is a castrated Kalashnikov assault rifle on a bipod from a mortar (well, what suppliers brought in, these were installed) and a super destroyer with an echo sounder for catching herring instead of a radar, called "Gyurza-M", we have already seen. Well, and other Ukrainian innovations: a garbage-lustering tank "Azovets", an armored personnel carrier from a chipboard, a mobile armored personnel carrier-morgue "Saint Mikola", a pipe "Stugna" firing grenades.

[Pirogov]

What can I say if even ,,, such as ,,,. Corvette ,,. Vinitsa,... Dragged to the Lenin smithy for thorough repairs! It's nice to read how scared you Gyurza HA HA HA,. There are very worthy developments, but since they are not made, their fate is obvious!

[Altona]

Quote: Pirogov

What can I say if even ,,, such as ,,,. Corvette ,,. Vinitsa,... Dragged to the Lenin smithy for thorough repairs! It's nice to read how scared you Gyurza HA HA HA,. There are very worthy developments, but since they are not made, their fate is obvious!

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Well, yes, everything was just in shock from this 1:20 scale copy of Zumvalt, armed with a machine gun. Gyurza of the seas, of course, saw herself by the tail bit.

[Pirogov]

But as presented GYURZA-M ,, Europe ,,, x ,,, y ,, whether!

[Egor123]

The Ukrainians are failing ... They will say that Putin and the "separatists" in Donbas are to blame.

[Alekseev]

Look what kind of Thai Himalayans are bad! They don’t want to wait a bit!
And they, the sneakers, sniffed out that Zd Malysheva did not make new tanks now because of the collapse, the breakdown in cooperation with the Russian Federation and the depletion of the T-80UD stock from which the Bastions were remade.

[KBR109]

And what about the Azovets tanks? And expensive! Handwork !

[Mountain shooter]

And they paid an advance to the Svidomo? Well, is that all they need? Which tanks? And the Chinese 99th - well, I don’t know. The Chinese did not dare to bring him to the tank biathlon. From the 96th - screwed up. And then I would have to compete with the 90th. Competition. Dragon children do not like this. This is not in words TTX polish.

[Altona]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And they paid an advance to the Svidomo? Well, is that all they need? Which tanks? And the Chinese 99th - well, I don’t know. The Chinese did not dare to bring him to the tank biathlon. From the 96th - screwed up. And then I would have to compete with the 90th. Competition. Dragon children do not like this. This is not in words TTX polish.

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The Chinese MVT-3000 was considered, but did not like either in terms of performance or operation, and the infrastructure is geared towards servicing post-Soviet tanks. In addition, the T-90 is made under license and with spare parts from India, for example, there are no problems.

[seti]

Yes, it's time to understand that such contracts need to be concluded with serious suppliers. This refers to large countries that have a certain weight in world society and are capable of producing military products of the highest quality in the shortest possible time. Recently, this is important. And to conclude a similar contract with Ukraine ... It initially looked like an adventure. So what are waiting for the Thais t-90MS

[kil 31]

Quote: seti

Yes, it's time to understand that such contracts need to be concluded with serious suppliers. This refers to large countries that have a certain weight in world society and are capable of producing military products of the highest quality in the shortest possible time. Recently, this is important. And to conclude a similar contract with Ukraine ... It initially looked like an adventure. So what are waiting for the Thais t-90MS

I am sorry for you. After all, PS will beat you for such statements. Somewhere in the gateway.

[kapitan92]

Curiously, how many tanks in our aircraft are in the T 90MS configuration?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: seti

And to conclude a similar contract with Ukraine ... It initially looked like an adventure.

There is one subtle point. At that time, Ukraine was still a reliable supplier of tanks. Not new, though - the cars came from storage. But deliveries were on time. And Kharkov worked somehow ...
Plus at that time it was not yet fully known about the problems of Iraqi armored personnel carriers.

[gukoyan]

I remember many were upset that they chose the Khokhlyat stronghold, and not our T-90, so justice has triumphed!)

[Pirogov]

Who was more upset! And to be honest, the T-90 is even cheaper than the Oplot in many respects, what is the T 90 modernization of the T 72? or I don’t know something? And even if you say that the stronghold of modernization is 80, this alone is enough between these machines for at least 10 years of difference, and if there were people in power in the country and not critters, then there would be no breakdown of the contract, .....

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Pirogov

Who was more upset! And to be honest, the T-90 is even cheaper than the Oplot in many respects, what is the T 90 modernization of the T 72? or I don’t know something? And even if you say that the stronghold of modernization is 80, this alone is enough between these machines for at least 10 years of difference, and if there were people in power in the country and not critters, then there would be no breakdown of the contract, .....

I have to upset you, colleague. Failure of the contract is an absolutely predictable and expected event, at least for one single, but rather important detail. I already wrote about this more than once, for you I will repeat. On, or in Ukraine (as you wish), NEVER WAS PRODUCTION OF WEAPONS! And for some reason I’m sure that it will not be.
If in doubt, a colleague, specialists of the plant named after Malysheva, not on camera will tell you all this.

[Pirogov]

Fully agree with you Vladimir. Therefore, I wrote that under the current government this can be said to be impossible,

[Dimon19661]

About parameters in more detail please.

[Pirogov]

After the collapse of the USSR, the development of the T-80UD and T-72B (U) tanks, later known as the T-90, followed an individual path. The directions of these works were close and consisted in increasing security, mobility and firepower. The Ukrainian T-80UD tank of modern modification received the T-84 index (subsequently its improved version of Oplot), the Russian T-72BU tank in the modern version has the T-90A index.

What is the difference between a Russian tank and a Ukrainian one today?
The fire control system of the T-84 and T-90 tank provides for the equipping with thermal imaging sights (TVP) of domestic or joint production using imported FPU (France). In contrast to the T-90, the Oplot uses a panoramic commander’s sight with a thermal imaging channel, which significantly increases the commander’s visibility capabilities when working at night and in low visibility conditions.
The T-84 tank has an additional power unit ensuring the operation of all its systems with the engine turned off. The T-90 tank does not have this.
The designs of the on-board gearboxes also differ, on the Oplot there are seven forward and four reverse gears, on the T-90 seven forward and one reverse gears. Oplot's speed is 30 km / h in reverse, and 90 km / h on the T-5. The control levers of the driver’s mechanic at the Oplot are replaced by a helm.
In addition, the Oplot tank was equipped with a more powerful power plant with a 6TD-2E engine (1200 hp vs 1000 hp on the T-90A). A feature of Oplot SU is low power loss during operation in conditions of elevated ambient temperatures. Significant power losses are observed on a T-90A equipped with a V-92 engine at elevated ambient temperatures, so at a temperature of + 550 ° C the engine power is less than 600 hp. Both tanks can be equipped with air conditioning as an option to complete the tank, this improves the living conditions of the crew.

Length with gun forward 9,72 m, body length 7,075 m, track width 3,4 m, protective blocks 4,176, height at the commander’s sight 2,8 m
Mass xnumx t
3 crew
Ground clearance (clearance) 470-500 mm
Track width 2,8 m
Power plant: 6TD-6E 2-cylinder horizontal multi-fuel two-stroke diesel engine with direct-flow blowing, with a capacity of 1200 hp (883 kW) at 2600 rpm
Specific engine power 24,7 hp / t
Maximum speed on the highway 70 km / h, cross country 45 km / h
Reverse speed: minimum 4,8 km / h, maximum 31,3 km / h
Cruising on the highway 400 km on the main fuel tanks, 500 km with additional barrels
Cruising over rough terrain 350 km on main fuel tanks, 450 km with additional barrels
Fuel capacity 575 + 570 + 380
Fuel consumption when driving on a highway 300 l / 100km, on a dirt road 325-370 l / 100km
Armament: 125-mm smoothbore gun KBA3, 7,62 mm PKT machine gun, 12,7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun KT-12,7
Ammunition: 46 shots 125-mm, 1250 cartridges 7,62-mm, 450 cartridges 12,7-mm
Specific pressure on soil 0,97 kgf / cm2
Overcoming obstacle: ford with depth 1,8 m, with OPVT (equipment for underwater driving of tank) - up to 5 m, wall with height 1 m, ditch width 2,85 m, angle of lift 32 °, roll 25 °
.

[dvina71]

Quote: Pirogov

After the collapse of the USSR, the development of the T-80UD and T-72B (U) tanks, later known as the T-90, followed an individual path. The directions of these works were close and consisted in increasing security, mobility and firepower. The Ukrainian T-80UD tank of modern modification received the T-84 index (subsequently its improved version of Oplot), the Russian T-72BU tank in the modern version has the T-90A index.

A good advertisement for the "stronghold" .. But the reality is that the T-90 has an enhanced reservation. Moreover, decently strengthened, from the T-72 .. The stronghold of business ... was made from old buildings, still Soviet-built. To develop and produce this is not for you. Maidans run around.
On sights .. There is generally a dark forest and it is unclear what you are comparing. The final version of ACS and TIUS is known only to specialists .. I at least did not find details on the network.
Now the engines .. Well, you know .. A two-stroke diesel engine will NEVER be better than a four-stroke engine. And this is a two-stroke engine that loses much power when the temperature rises and the oxygen concentration decreases. Such is the syalyavi and theory / practice of engine building. The only plus is 2-stroke diggers .. they are able to develop more speed than 4-stroke. But for such a diesel engine the main thrust ..
I think Oplot in T-72b3 racing will yield and decently.

Among other things .. The industry of the Russian Federation produces and constantly upgrades the tanks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, in cooperation with the Belarusians. But Ukraine is not needed in this process at all. On the other hand .. Kharkovites cannot do anything without Russian industry. Even if Poroshenko becomes the owner of this plant, nothing will change.

[Pirogov]

Dvina Your quote ,,,. I think Oplot in T-72b3 racing will give in decently. ,,,, ::: this is nonsense. I don’t even want to argue with you. Yes, and about the Oplot advertisement, I personally ... er, and if in 2016 Ukraine will establish the production of its guns and reach at least some capacity, why cooperate with someone?! And ukroboronexport cooperates with Belarus on many products., It was with all the presidents, and even the current preserver asking for something doesn’t bother Old Man much,

[dvina71]

Quote: Pirogov

Dvina Your quote

The fact that you posted this copy-paste from the network is a regular advertisement ..
You don’t have to argue with me .. here on VO there was a video of T-64 against T-72 .. guess three times how many buildings T-64 lost to ..
There are no miracles. In operation, there were practically no 2-stroke diesel engines. Yes, they are simpler and more compact, but very moody. Lightweight and highly dependent on the quality of the air received. This is not what I came up with, this is a harsh reality. Moreover .. in a 2-stroke diesel engine, in principle, it is impossible to adjust the phase angles. And at low speeds they have low thrust ..

[Pirogov]

Yes, I saw this video, and who will say what is the service life of these machines? Is he the same?

[Pirogov]

Yes, and Dvina. And what do you say about the power plants for your frigates or watchdogs that Nikolaev did and the greedy Kuyavian authorities refused to sell them to you refusing such profits, it’s clear for the sake of whom.?. And now Russia has a lot of questions with this because Germany refused what remains china? ,,,,,

[Pirogov]

The Chinese went in began to minus!

[johnny]

Ended arguments about the tanks switched to ships?))
About 4T and 2T diesel engines. there is a video where an old T-55 abrupt start from a place on time leaves the projectile. In such a situation, a 2t diesel would only have time to roar with its engine or die out. 4T has the undeniable advantage of a sharp jerk from the spot, which is very important for the tank. Not talking about reliability, efficiency, etc.

[Pirogov]

Guys, the only thing I wanted to convey to Dvina was that from the fact that railway station in Ukraine and between our countries it is beneficial to everyone except Ukraine and Russia,.

[dvina71]

Quote: Pirogov

Guys, the only thing I wanted to convey to Dvina was that from the fact that it’s in Ukraine and between our countries it is beneficial to everyone except Ukraine and Russia,

And who did this asshole ..? you can’t answer anything .. spit. Ukraine is turning into what it was historically a wild field. Apparently there is such an atmosphere .. that even Russian people become Russian enemies.
I really hope that the next reorganization of the wild field will be done at your expense.

[dvina71]

Quote: Pirogov

Yes, and Dvina. What can you say about the power plants for your frigates?

There was a time when it was our frinates .. and cruisers .. and apl .. For what did you turn your country into a cesspool?
For frigates adapt diesel locomotives. They are also 4-stroke.

[Pirogov]

I’ll say Dvina gently walk through the forest, I won’t communicate with you anymore because I THINK BENDERS AND Natsyks and OTHER HU.E.TA HAD HEADS FROM SUCH AS YOU WITS. I didn’t ride on the Maidan and didn’t support it, I LIVE IN ZAPOROGE WITH US. THE MAIDAN WAS NOT SUPPORTED FOR ANY EVENT; I HAVE NO SUCH SIGNS,.

[dvina71]

Quote: Pirogov

because I BELIEVE THAT BENDERS AND Natsyki AND OTHER HU.E.TA HAVE RAISED HEADS FROM SUCH AS WISE

Wow .. again, m o with k a l to blame. You see ... my ancestors are Don Cossacks .. And we have .. Cossacks .. there is such a proverb - the sword does not break the guilty head. You just have to have the strength and the will to say .. yes, I’m ... k, and I did it wrong .. sorry, I’ll correct myself.
and here you are .. nezalezhantsy .., you all have someone else to blame .., although the DEMO lies INSIDE your pants.

As you see in Russia, the Vlasov did not become a hero, and Krasnov was hanged on business .. no matter how your curators tried, but here we are. Guess why ..

[Pirogov]

And my ancestors are Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, and WHAT YOU ARE GUILTING TO ME. You accused me that I turned the country into a cesspool, believe me they didn’t ask and didn’t ask anyone, these Maidavans opposed themselves and the GORANT escaped, and the people were left alone with the prepared detachments to fight, you know what kind of pres there was and is, I’m writing to you and generally on the site and I don’t know what article these democrats can sew for me, and you are ME nezalezhantsy ,,,,

[dvina71]

Quote: Pirogov

And my ancestors are Zaporozhye Cossacks,

Do not tryndi. There are no descendants of Zaporozhtsev in Ukraine. This is a historical fact.
And I do not sculpt you, but I say as it is.
Maybe you at least helped the Golden Eagle in Kiev? T brought food? Firewood? And then they there, protecting your ass, slept on the street on shields and ate suhpai. Did they even morally support them? Or did you sit by the telly and, like a true nezalez, were waiting for what would carry? And this .. you .. flow .. what helped?

They didn’t wait in Crimea, they didn’t wait in Donetsk .. did someone bother you? Gorant? Putin M about with to l and?

[Pirogov]

and what are you m, oh, s, k, alya blame me for guilty, do you have censorship here too? I left one letter from mos, k, a, la!

[kil 31]

Imagine censorship goes in all directions. No one can write an insulting word against you. Explain dvine after this video why you were a Cossack Zaporizhzhya sitting at home and watched this video in local news while drinking beer. Then otmazyvaeshsya is to blame Putin and ours at the top. Yours at the top are chosen the same as you who squeezed a point and sat at home watching local news.

[kapitan92]

The Kharkov school of tank building was among the foremost in the USSR and no one denies this.
"Oploty" in Donbass is ON, burning from RPGs, burning from ATGMs and back speed of 30 km per hour does not help!

[Kars]

Quote: kapitan92

"Oploty" in Donbass is ON, burning from RPGs, burning from ATGMs and back speed of 30 km per hour does not help

Really? Do not share the photo?

[kapitan92]

And you will take a ride to Donbass. There "oil painting"!

[Kars]

Quote: kapitan92

And you will take a ride to Donbass. There "oil painting"!

Then what are the problems with the photo? The phones have sat down? And then what are you better than those who Almaty burns in the same Donbass?

[kil 31]

Here is the answer to your question.

[Kars]

Quote: keel 31

Here is the answer to your question.

So write. I don’t understand the topic. I can’t distinguish the Bulwark from Bulat.

Quote: Victor-M

We didn’t have time to shoot, burned to the ground, while they were looking for something to shoot.

It can be seen that the Armats are the same that they did not have time to shoot either.

[Serg81]

This is damask, i.e. the modernized T-64, it seems they were only in one brigade

[Victor-M]

Quote: Kars

Quote: kapitan92

"Oploty" in Donbass is ON, burning from RPGs, burning from ATGMs and back speed of 30 km per hour does not help

Really? Do not share the photo?

They didn’t have time to shoot, they burned to the ground, while they were looking for something to shoot.

[Denis Obukhov]

It is not surprising that some more got burned in the so-called "cooperation" with the Ukrainians. The only question was about the extent of the Thais' patience. I hope that they will end up wishing to experiment with this territory of eternal force majeure and default.

[Alexander 3]

On the day the power industry should talk about energy. In Khokhlov, the energy of consumption exceeded many times the energy of creating them gradually and inevitably draws in ....

[Alexey RA]

How much can Baron be upset!

After the opupei with the Iraqi armored personnel carriers, there was only one hope for 404, the light in the window was a Thai contract. Well, so what with the fact that the delivery time has almost expired - the customer is waiting. Maybe something else to buy ...

And here is such a crap. Wells!

[Imperial]

The news walks the second day on the net, and Ondryusha is silent as partisans during interrogation, he used to blame the Thais, they say they have a revolution, they just don’t have any money (he’s probably mistaken Thailand with a ridiculous little thing), let’s see how it sings now.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Imperial

The news walks the second day on the network, and Ondryusha is silent as partisans during interrogation

Nothing else to write in style everything goes according to plan.

If he is flying towers and decaying at the seams of the hull the best Soviet tank T-64 somehow justified...

[dsi]

Once Russia rescued the Thais, for which the emperor received a Siamese cat as a present. And their attitude towards the Chinese, in my opinion, is ambiguous.
And Ukrainian Oh raft! it's too cool ...

[Sergej1972]

And what is their relationship to the Chinese? Given that there are 9 million ethnic Chinese in the country, a lot of mixed Thai-Chinese marriages, and a significant part of Thai politicians and businessmen have Chinese roots?

[Maksus]

Given the pricing policy of the managers of Uralvagonzavod, the contract will go to China. There, however, politics is more flexible. Yes, after such a failure of Ukrainians, our team had to transfer the first batch of five tanks for free.

[Pereira]

Bastion is boring and non-creative.
Thais should look at the Ukrskie shushpatsery, the work (from the word), so to speak, of a galloping Ukrainian genius. This is where the flight of imagination and the brilliance of intelligence are. I typed in "Ukrainian shushpanzer" in Google, I can not stop looking.

[knn54]

Something is wrong in the "Ukroboronprom" kingdom - for a short period the heads of the Nikolaev, Kiev armored factories and steam at the Kharkov plant named after Malysheva.
Most likely they will take the T-90CA. Moreover, Algeria and India praise the T-90 ...

[52]

Thais did not seem to be inadequate, but why did the tribe of jumping jumpers pay for incomprehensible quiescent strollers? It seems that the fame about the honesty and commitment of these clowns was already known ...

[izya top]

exhale thais all the world found someone to contact. in Kukuev, some temporary workers are hoping to grab with both hands and fade. only time is running out

[Gormenghast]

Democracy! FTA with the EU! Visa-free regime! Putin is a tyrant! Poroshenko is the president of the world! Abroad will help us! (Secret union of the Sword and the Oral as in "The Twelve Chairs")

And such a simple thing, how to fulfill a profitable commercial contract on time, these European democrats can not. With such speed, they will fulfill the contract for another 8 years.
Who will buy now "Stronghold"? Who will buy anything in Ukraine at all, looking at the unprecedented achievements of bardo democracy - grabbing the prime minister by personal belongings, pouring water on an opponent, treating a deputy's head with the feet of another deputy, etc."

[Specialist 77]

Quote: knn54

Something is wrong in the "Ukroboronprom" kingdom - for a short period the heads of the Nikolaev, Kiev armored factories and steam at the Kharkov plant named after Malysheva.

a deliberately created mess ..... the failure of the contract is not terrible only for those who are not going to stay for a long time in their positions ..... the advance payment has been mastered .... the appearance of intense activity is taking place ..... the country should go a little deeper in debt .... this is the goal .... then the debts are redeemed by interested persons who begin to dictate the terms ..... raider seizure nationwide ....

[afrikanez]

And here the Ukrainians screwed up, they don’t even want to earn money on tanks. What else can I talk about, and is it worth talking about them at all?

[fa2998]

Quote: cniza

., and what is Ukraine and what is the responsibility for the breakdown?

“Don't tell my hooves!” And the Chinese wheat, and the Russian $ 3 billion, I think there will be no more tanks, the Thais contacted the wrong ones!

[evge-malyshev]

Let them choose our tank, if only this deal was not at the expense of the Russian army.

[Gvfrog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Ukraine, it is a rich European state

Judging by the first persons of the "state" - Jewish!

There is no need to insult the two nations, and our government along the way is generally Jewish, and as I was told by a Jew friend of mine, Jew is not a nationality, it is a designation of a humanoid creature regardless of the nation, for whom there is nothing sacred in the issue of getting a cash draw.

[chunga-changa]

I wonder who they will choose. Most likely the Chinese, firstly at hand, and secondly, the Chinese generously lend such deals.

[Santjaga_Garka]

I hope the order will be ours! Anyway, the Chinese tanks are mostly licked from ours, so it's better to take the original than a fake! *)

[Horst78]

The choice of options is dictated by the desire of the commanders to have tanks armed with 125 mm cannons, so Western designs do not participate in the competition.

Interesting than Thais extra 5 mm. I liked it. Technically, it’s not a caliber now (unless you shoot by blanks), but the filling of shells matters.

[-Traveler-]

oh, I’m afraid for the Thais, it’s not our tanks that will be chosen - I will read such things to myself ... with anatomical details

[Ilya77]

Our specialists will be lucky if the T-90 wins ... Business trips to Thailand are generally gorgeous.

[Evil 55]

It’s strange ... There are practically no UKRALIN countries, but tanks, as many as 10 units, are still floating somewhere in the jungle ...

[Hammer]

Quote: Pirogov

After the collapse of the USSR, the development of the T-80UD and T-72B (U) tanks, later known as the T-90, followed an individual path. The directions of these works were close and consisted in increasing security, mobility and firepower. The Ukrainian T-80UD tank of modern modification received the T-84 index (subsequently its improved version of Oplot), the Russian T-72BU tank in the modern version has the T-90A index.

Not a damn thing you know neither about tanks, nor about their development, nor about production.

[johnny]

Quote: Kil 31

Here is the answer to your question.

I will correct. This is Bulat T-64BM. They themselves have only a couple of strongholds.

[mamont5]

Quote: cniza

Well, somehow the topic is not disclosed ... but what is Ukraine and what is the responsibility for the breakdown?

But what is ukrov responsibility? As with cockroaches ... Nail with a slipper and that's it ...

[mamont5]

Quote: Evil 55

It’s strange ... There are practically no UKRALIN countries, but tanks, as many as 10 units, are still floating somewhere in the jungle ...

So these 10 pieces are the ONLY "Strongholds" that were embodied in metal, and then - the tools for them had to be taken from the mob reserve, tk. Russia refused to supply, and the produced ones did not pull in reliability (it was somewhere in the network).