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What will we receive Ukrainian debt?

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So, what everyone expected and prepared for, it did happen. Here it is, the financial default of Ukraine. Of course, one should not expect any special effects from him, such as the departure of the entire government. Not for that they sit there. So Ukraine will remain in the same place where it was, and the fateful Ukrainian will also remain in their seats.


What will we receive Ukrainian debt?


Let's look at the situation logically and calmly, without shouting. The shouts should all have ended when Putin proposed an installment plan to pay Ukraine’s debt on 3 of the year. Yes, the cries of "we were robbed and leaked" was enough. Exactly the same number of cries, "it would be better for me to be given my share." But let's not talk about stupid things, let's talk about serious things.

The serious thing is that the Ukrainian government never thought about paying this debt. If only because there is nothing to pay it. Not today, not in perspective. So to talk about the payment or postponement of the payment that no one was going to pay, unnecessarily.

The day is today. Oddly enough, but the Ukrainian media are in no hurry to shout about another peremog and that Moscow has lost its nose. Quietly and calmly state the fact of non-payment and the prospects of the court. Like RIA "News"quote.

And here, Prime Minister Medvedev is starting to implement a plan for knocking out this debt.

“I would like the members of the government to prepare all the necessary decisions in order to apply to the jurisdictional body that was elected on the basis of our agreement to consider this dispute.”

“This (delayed payment) means that a financial default has come. There are ten more days of the grace period, when the debt can be returned without penalty, but judging by the statements of Ukrainian officials, they are not going to do this. Accordingly, a default in the legal sense will occur in 10 days. ”


So the court. Actually, in any court, wherever ours turned, they will not be happy. The Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague, the International Court of Arbitration in Stockholm and their counterparts are unlikely to defend Russia's interests. Not for that purpose.

But they will have to accept the case for consideration, so ... alas, but Ukraine is bankrupt.

But whatever the decision of the court, the question of obtaining a debt, even with a positive decision, is still a question. Neither Europe nor America deigned to lay out the required 3 billion from their pockets to help their fellow allies. That's what I understand, plums. Friendship is friendship and dollars are apart.

The argument of the Ukrainian side in the media looks, to put it mildly, childish. Well, they did not take it, but Yanukovych. That's from him the demand should be. Funny, at the level of kindergarten and sandbox. It turns out, they are clever, they put everything on the shelves, and in Russia some fools live, as the Soviet debts paid off, and Yeltsin’s with Gorbachevsky. And it was necessary to send Yeltsin to Ukrainian logic. He took from him and ask. As - in general, not our headache, although necromancers call from Africa.

Funny Ridiculous. If it were not so sad. For 3 billion on the road do not roll.

How and what to get, here is an interesting question. Especially when you consider that there is nothing to receive by and large.

If only zemlykom ...

And what, did the Russians sell Alaska to the Americans at one time? And the French in their time for a Louisian deal in general, half of the territory of the current United States sold.

And why not concede part of the Ukrainian lands at cost? Those who are still crazy about the whole of Ukraine can not give. Yes, there is some kind of glovebox there, ruin is there, evil separatists with terrorists are entrenched there ...

Nothing, we have the experience of putting things in order in such places. We agree. Convince. We will help.

I would just like that question and throw it in for thought. And the same Yatsenyuk would get rid of a headache, and three billion ... of the type would save.
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  1. dsi
    dsi 22 December 2015 06: 32 New
    +9
    And why not concede at cost part of the Ukrainian lands?

    Their even cost does not suit. Something was not stolen before ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 07: 07 New
      22
      What will we receive Ukrainian debt?
      Well, I don’t know ... in the Netherlands, over for studying at a driving school, you can pay with sex now ... repeat
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 22 December 2015 07: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        What will we receive Ukrainian debt?
        Well, I don’t know ... in the Netherlands, over for studying at a driving school, you can pay with sex now ... repeat

        Oh you oh well ?! I would give right every day :))))
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 08: 01 New
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          Quote: Samaritan
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          What will we receive Ukrainian debt?
          Well, I don’t know ... in the Netherlands, over for studying at a driving school, you can pay with sex now ... repeat

          Oh you oh well ?! I would give right every day :))))

          the prospect of fucking Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk is unattractive.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 08: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            the prospect of fucking Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk is unattractive.

            Sasha! I beg of you! who needs it? wassat не перевелись поди ишо "гарные дивчины" ? repeat
            1. atalef
              atalef 22 December 2015 08: 35 New
              +5
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Quote: atalef
              the prospect of fucking Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk is unattractive.

              Sasha! I beg of you! who needs it? wassat не перевелись поди ишо "гарные дивчины" ? repeat

              Tymoshenko?
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 09: 12 New
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                Tymoshenko?

                you are naughty !!! laughing
            2. kare
              kare 22 December 2015 08: 51 New
              +1
              Андрей,там теперь другие приоритеты . То бишь"гарны хлопцы"
              EU in a word.
              1. Evrepid
                Evrepid 22 December 2015 12: 01 New
                0
                Even I have a feeling. that he is outraged not by the fact that they are prostitutes, but by the fact that they are doing this for little money.
            3. Lelek
              Lelek 22 December 2015 10: 49 New
              +6
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              Sasha! I beg of you! who needs it?


              Hey.
              Если кому-то ЭТО и надо, то следует поторопиться, т.к. пан Пэдро & Ко похоже готовятся "делать ноги".
              (cry.)
            4. Xzistant
              Xzistant 22 December 2015 11: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Quote: atalef
              the prospect of fucking Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk is unattractive.

              Sasha! I beg of you! who needs it? wassat не перевелись поди ишо "гарные дивчины"? repeat


              Dear, are you talking about Yulia Tymoshenko, or did you immediately swing at Lyashko? laughing
              No offense hi
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 12: 03 New
                0
                Quote: Xzistant
                Dear, are you talking about Yulia Tymoshenko, or did you immediately swing at Lyashko?

                focus strictly on women! wink
          2. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 22 December 2015 08: 47 New
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            Just kidding, the Ukrainian enterprises owed 470 billion rubles to our Vnesheconombank, which is three times more than the public debt of Ukraine being discussed. But few people talk about this, but we will not understand how to return it. And 240 billion weighs loans for Olympic venues. The government has already allocated 300 billion rubles. from the national welfare fund to save VEB. Yeah, nobly we walked on expensive oil, all that we have accumulated now is about ... eating.
            1. Shveps
              Shveps 22 December 2015 08: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: Nikolai K
              Jokes as a joke, but ... everything that we have accumulated now about ... we eat.


              Путин" "Россия вносит, уже внесла свой огромный вклад в поддержку Украины. Здесь еще раз скажу, наши уже банки проинвестировали в Украину около 25 миллиардов долларов. Минфин России выдал кредит в прошлом году - еще три миллиарда. "Газпром" прокредитовал экономику Украины еще на 5,5 - даже со скидкой, которую никто не обещал, на 4,5 миллиарда долларов. Посчитайте, сколько это все вместе будет. Это 32,5 - 33,5 миллиарда долларов только за последнее время".

              Something like that.
              1. larand
                larand 22 December 2015 11: 08 New
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                Quote: Shveps
                .... Посчитайте, сколько это все вместе будет. Это 32,5 - 33,5 миллиарда долларов только за последнее время"Вот, как-то так.


                If Putin and Ko were giving away their personal billions, or billions of oligarchs have no questions - chick, fraternize. But they, without asking us, give our money to those who are ready to kill us.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 22 December 2015 13: 37 New
                  -5
                  Quote: larand
                  If Putin and Ko were giving away their personal billions

                  What? Billions? Did they write in the yellow press?
                  Quote: larand
                  But they, without asking us, give our money back

                  Ваши - это в ваших карманах, а все что уплачено "с налогов" это ГОСУДАРСТВЕННОЕ - платить налоги ваша обязанность, а не право!
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                  2. Kostya Andreev
                    Kostya Andreev 22 December 2015 22: 42 New
                    +4
                    My friend, you would have scolded Putin, then you would have had pluses, and so couch strategists have minus you.
                    I’ll join you, to hell with these minuses:
                    I ALLOW PUTIN TO SPEND MY MONEY TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF THE COUNTRY, AS HE CONSIDERS NEEDED !!!
                    And THOSE BALUBALS, RINGERS, VLASOVETS AND WHO DOES NOT LIKE MY PROPOSAL YOU CAN PUT ME MINUSES.
                    Quote: Down House
                    Но они, не спросив нас, отдают наши деньги. Это вообще смешно, А почему генерал на войне не спрашивает мнение, рядового: "одобряет рядовой иванов, как генерал пушки поставил. или не одобряет".
                    1. larand
                      larand 23 December 2015 07: 32 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Kostya Andrei

                      I ALLOW PUTIN TO SPEND MY MONEY TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF THE COUNTRY, AS HE CONSIDERS NEEDED !!!
                      And THOSE BALUBALS, RINGERS, VLASOVETS AND WHO DOES NOT LIKE MY PROPOSAL YOU CAN PUT ME MINUSES.


                      Do you think that investing 33 billion in the economy of a country controlled by an enemy government is the defense of the interests of the Russian Federation ??? Well, send also your personal 100 rubles. valtsmanu and egg, help protect the Russian Federation.
            2. mult-65
              mult-65 22 December 2015 21: 05 New
              -1
              Those who really took a walk on expensive oil, those and grandchildren do not ... eat that their grandfathers accumulated. And here we are - past the basin.
          3. Lelek
            Lelek 22 December 2015 10: 44 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            the prospect of fucking Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk is unattractive.


            Well, these g ... nukes (verbally) are fucked every single day and who is not back.
            (cry.)
            1. Avantageur
              Avantageur 22 December 2015 12: 04 New
              0
              Батальон ватников "Айдар" laughing

        2. zao74
          zao74 22 December 2015 08: 29 New
          +6
          Oh you oh well ?! I would give right every day :))))
          Depends on the gender of the instructor, otherwise the ass may get sick ...
        3. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 22 December 2015 08: 40 New
          +1
          And the ass is not a pity, given the very widespread sexual unconventionality in Holland? wink
        4. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 10: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Samaritan
          Oh you oh well ?! I would give right every day :))))
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 December 2015 11: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            Quote: Samaritan
            Oh you oh well ?! I would give right every day :))))

            May I be the same Andryushenka?
            good
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 12: 05 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Quote: Samaritan
              Oh you oh well ?! I would give right every day :))))

              May I be the same Andryushenka?
              good

              Sasha, as you wish! yes laughing
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      2. Samaritan
        Samaritan 22 December 2015 08: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        What will we receive Ukrainian debt?
        Well, I don’t know ... in the Netherlands, over for studying at a driving school, you can pay with sex now ... repeat

        Oh you oh well ?! only I'm afraid you can’t choose a partner :))))
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 08: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: Samaritan
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          What will we receive Ukrainian debt?
          Well, I don’t know ... in the Netherlands, over for studying at a driving school, you can pay with sex now ... repeat

          Oh you oh well ?! only I'm afraid you can’t choose a partner :))))

          depending on your status: if you are a teacher, then there are options, but if the student .... call ... laughing
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 22 December 2015 08: 51 New
            +6
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            Quote: Samaritan
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            What will we receive Ukrainian debt?
            Well, I don’t know ... in the Netherlands, over for studying at a driving school, you can pay with sex now ... repeat

            Oh you oh well ?! only I'm afraid you can’t choose a partner :))))

            depending on your status: if you are a teacher, then there are options, but if the student .... call ... laughing


            sex gangsters ... the fate of the whole country is at stake here, and they about their ... concerns ... laughing

            Quote: atalef
            Tymoshenko?
            and then you are an old stump where you climb with your bad taste? laughing Great guys drinks
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 09: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              Great guys

              привет"активный лесбиян" ! drinks
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 22 December 2015 10: 54 New
              0
              Quote: vorobey
              here the fate of the whole country is at stake, and they about their ... concerns.


              Friendly greetings.
              And who in this 404 cares about her fate. ONLY BUSINESS and nothing patriotic.
              (cry.)
              1. Heritologist
                Heritologist 22 December 2015 17: 18 New
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                Well, never mind ... Cho was there something?
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            4. atalef
              atalef 22 December 2015 11: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              and then you are an old stump where you climb with your bad taste? Great guys

              The old horse will not spoil the furrow (we won’t talk about the depth, with my weight, there are no problems) laughing
              Hey . Sanya !!!!
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 12: 07 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                , with my weight, there are no problems)

                yes isho if went to the root ... laughing
      3. kuz363
        kuz363 22 December 2015 13: 10 New
        +9
        Stupidity. You won’t get anything in the near future. In Ukraine, a law was passed that the property of Ukraine is not subject to seizure or sale in payment of debts. And the West will not do anything against Ukraine.
        But it really will be like the lawyers write. Russia will file a lawsuit in a London court. They will accept him there, but the time for considering such disputes with all sorts of protests and appeals of the parties lasts 1-3 years at least! Moreover, Ukraine will seek to delay the process by adding its complaint with material claims in the Crimea, Donbass and so on. Also Ukrainian property in Crimea. As a result, Russia is likely to receive a positive court decision. But to arrest Ukrainian property abroad is a tedious and unprofitable business. Firstly, there is very little of it that does not fall under diplomatic immunity. Secondly, it is necessary to obtain a positive decision of the local courts of these states for the seizure of property. This is still time. The entire loan repayment process will be like a Brazilian series for a period of decades. So Russia needs to say goodbye to this loan.
        There are 2 options - either it will be returned in crumbs for decades or finally there will again change the regime, possibly friendly to Russia. Then she simply must forgive them this duty, as brothers! That’s the whole reality.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 22 December 2015 13: 24 New
          0
          Quote: kuz363
          Ukraine will seek to delay the process by adding its complaint with material claims in the Crimea, Donbass, and more. Also Ukrainian property in Crimea. As a result, Russia is likely to receive a positive court decision.

          Да Вы оптимист!Во первых,ещё не известно,на какую сумму выдвинет встречный иск Украина по тому же "Крыму,Донбассу и прочее."(цит).И не будет ли решение суда "Соломоновым"?
        2. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 22 December 2015 15: 44 New
          0
          .... finally there again will change the regime, possibly friendly to Russia. Then she simply must forgive them this duty, as brothers! That’s the whole reality ...

          ... We will not forgive anyone !!!! am .... We ourselves will need this money .... Find where to spend ... lol
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 22 December 2015 07: 57 New
      0
      What is most interesting on the other hand, the same proposals :) to sell Crimea because one hre.n ours ..
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 22 December 2015 08: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: Samaritan
        What is most interesting on the other hand, the same proposals :) to sell Crimea because one hre.n ours ..


        As for Crimea, it no longer rolls with borzh ... DNI of the LPR is also in question ... As for the Kherson region and Kharkov, one might think ..

        In faraway Russia, a woman named Charlotte Russ stated that she had found a second gold ticket. (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory)

        In the meantime, look into this glass door. Just don't come in. Never enter. This is the Nut Shop. You can scare away my squirrels.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 09: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          In faraway Russia, a woman named Charlotte Russ stated that she had found a second gold ticket. (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory)

          "рошеновский" ? belay
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 22 December 2015 11: 03 New
          +2
          Not!
          It is necessary to take:
          First of all - Odessa and Nikolaev regions;
          In the second - Kherson and Zaporizhzhya regions.
          And only in the third - Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 December 2015 11: 10 New
            +5
            Quote: abrakadabre
            It is necessary to take: First of all - Odessa and Nikolaev regions; Secondly - Kherson and Zaporizhzhya regions. And only in the third - Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.


            go and get it.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 12: 09 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              go and get it.

              from Kyrgyzstan it's ... troublesome. what
            2. Down House
              Down House 22 December 2015 13: 39 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              go and get it.

              All about Crimea you will not forget? request
          2. oleksandr_ukr
            oleksandr_ukr 24 December 2015 23: 14 New
            0
            Don't tear yourself up
        3. Odessitka
          Odessitka 22 December 2015 23: 22 New
          +1
          [quote = vorobey] [quote = Samaritan] What is most interesting on the other hand, the same proposals :) to sell Crimea because one horse is ours .. [/ quote]

          As for Crimea, it no longer rolls with borzh ... DNI of the LPR is also in question ... As for the Kherson region and Kharkov, one might think ..

          Sparrow, hello! When I lived in Kherson, the wonderful city, both Nikolaev and Odessa, was founded by Sovereign Catherine. It means these cities were of great importance for the empire at that time. wink
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    4. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 22 December 2015 08: 31 New
      +2
      Интересно, какая у земли себестоимость, по мнению автора, стоимость "вложенного" в землю навоза?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 09: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolai K
        Интересно, какая у земли себестоимость, по мнению автора, стоимость "вложенного" в землю навоза?

        5 bucks per ton ... was.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 22 December 2015 09: 36 New
          +1
          What will we receive Ukrainian debt?

          And let's demand for debt Poroshenko! The Ukrainians will probably give it away with pleasure, and we are demanding these 3 lards from him - I’ve saved up, while the president earned money. laughing
        2. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 22 December 2015 15: 46 New
          0
          5 bucks is not the cost of land, but the price at which individual deltas tried to move the upper venerable layer, that is, chernozem, abroad
    5. Down House
      Down House 22 December 2015 13: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: dsi
      And why not concede at cost part of the Ukrainian lands?

      Yes, we need them, not land, but some problems request
    6. AM10101946
      AM10101946 22 December 2015 16: 56 New
      -1
      The current leaders will not go on the sale of land in the Donbass, the land there costs more than 3 billion, they will drag red tape year after year and there you will see something will change, although this option is possible, but there are also possible elections all over Ukraine on federalization then EVERYTHING can be !!!
    7. sinoptic
      sinoptic 23 December 2015 13: 59 New
      +1
      What will we receive Ukrainian debt?

      DeFchonkami :)
  2. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 22 December 2015 06: 38 New
    +4
    It’s a paradox, but I also think that they need to demand from them for our money territory at a price of 100000m2-one hundred bucks. And no deferrals or concessions!
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 07: 07 New
      10
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      It’s a paradox, but I also think that they need to demand from them for our money territory at a price of 100000m2-one hundred bucks. And no deferrals or concessions!

      This is not a serious conversation, no one at default or something like that sells land 9 well, maybe only Greece) and even then these territories remain under the sovereign jurisdiction of the state.
      I wrote a long time ago that there will be a default ... and nothing
      will happen.
      This will go into the field of jurisprudence, and here the question is .tk nobody knows (of us) how this money went and by what schemes (we don’t forget who was in power) and whether or not they reached their destination (although it’s kind of like to relate to Russia should not), but ... there is Crimea and Ukraine will put pressure on it, but for now the matter is in court - no money, no payments, and Ukraine has another delay.
      In general, if someone was hoping to get money from Ukraine, they would be naive.
      In the sphere of today's relations, they would have had the same if they had. they would do everything not to pay.
      What are the prospects? Yes, no.
      Everything was as it is.
      The confrontation will continue, despite the fact that none of the parties can defeat the enemy in this situation (the relationship can already be called that)
      It’s like two boxers came together in a clinch and didn’t go either way --- but the referee is in no hurry to dismantle it.
      Ukraine said yesterday that either lower the gas price to 200 bucks - or we will not buy at all.
      Judging by how this situation will be resolved. and see who’s standing somewhere.
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 22 December 2015 07: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        In general, if someone was hoping to get money from Ukraine - naive


        Not really, already Yatsenyuk regularly paid interest on Eurobonds, and that’s tens of millions of dollars
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 07: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Aleksander
          Quote: atalef
          In general, if someone was hoping to get money from Ukraine - naive


          Not really, already Yatsenyuk regularly paid interest on Eurobonds, and that’s tens of millions of dollars

          it's not about percent
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 22 December 2015 07: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            it's not about percent

            And what is interest is not money? Or did they give them to Russia with seeds?
      2. heal
        heal 22 December 2015 09: 07 New
        -5
        Quote: atalef
        I wrote a long time ago that there will be a default ... and nothing
        will happen.

        Совершенно верно. Просто российские правители будут взамен профуканных 3 миллиардов козырять словосочетанием "дефолт Украины".
      3. Evrepid
        Evrepid 22 December 2015 12: 06 New
        0
        As usual write off ... Do not go to the grandmother!
      4. bif
        bif 22 December 2015 12: 54 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine said yesterday that either lower the gas price to 200 bucks - or we will not buy at all.

        You can arrest advance payments for gas on account of debt ... Take money, declare it on account of debt and gas only in transit. It is clear that such a scheme will work 1-2 times, but at least something, besides, the Khokhlopravitelstvo will be forced to pay further (with the expectation of arrests of advance payments) or buy a reverse at the euro price
    2. An64
      An64 22 December 2015 09: 03 New
      +2
      The serious thing is that the Ukrainian government never thought to pay this debt. If only because there is nothing to pay it. Neither today nor in the future.


      Почему-то мне кажется, что ежегодное новогоднее шоу "где наши деньги" закончится списанием долга.
      Объявим мы свою "добрую волю" и спишем. Как списывали африканцам, кубинцам, никарагуанцам и пр., пр., пр...
      1. heal
        heal 22 December 2015 09: 11 New
        0
        Quote: An64
        As written off to Africans, Cubans, Nicaraguans, etc., etc., etc. ...

        But nothing, the Russian rulers by the fall of the ruble, the increase in prices compensate for everything. It is only from their people that they can shake everything to the last.
  3. smith7
    smith7 22 December 2015 06: 42 New
    +6
    Не за тем раскачивали украинскую лодку США и ЕС, чтоб за три мильярда и относительное спокойствие украинских граждан всё прекратить в одночасье. Задача - максимально "обезжирить" и досадить России. Да и "выплата донбасами" (это не возможно в принципе) не прокатит, как разумный выход из ситуации. Вот если б х охлы сменили политический курс и начали разумно говорить с "сепаратистами", усмирили фашистов из "айдара" и им подобным, удалили из политики оголтелых и откровенных хапуг... Не верю я в эти "детские" наивные мечты. Даже если большинство украинцев проголосует за описанное выше, проамерикансие грантоеды и лично Джо Байден не дадут этому сбыться. Теперь остался только русский бунт, бессмысленный и беспощадный. Кровищи будет... Думаю пусть они сами осмыслят свою жизнь и сами в себе это победят. Ждать придется лет 20-30... Зайти туда войсками и встать вдоль дорог блокпостами не выход. Они и сейчас нас оккупантами считают. Но при прямой оккупации крови будет меньше. А если б это было одновременно с голосованием в Крыму, то кровь на Донбассе не проливалась бы вообще. Но История не терпит сослагательных наклонений. PS Мне из Киева знакомые сообщают, что "спокойствие альпийского луга" присутствует во всех проявлениях жизни обывателей Киева, "маты городов русских"...
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 22 December 2015 06: 45 New
    +3
    Как будем получать долг?..Сначала Россия выиграет суд, а потом наймет "коллекторскую" фирму по выбиванию долгов.. smile
    1. 34 region
      34 region 22 December 2015 07: 51 New
      +1
      How will we receive the debt? Yes there, besides us, others borrowed money. How will they repay the debt? Than? Who will be the bailiff?
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 08: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      Как будем получать долг?..Сначала Россия выиграет суд, а потом наймет "коллекторскую" фирму по выбиванию долгов.. smile

      Voronezh collectors damn it, the most pesky! yes
  5. Sirocco
    Sirocco 22 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +5
    Прочитал статью, и вспомнил фильм "За двумя зайцами" как про современную Украину и её руководство. Даже и добавить нечего.
  6. domokl
    domokl 22 December 2015 06: 49 New
    +3
    In general, the proposal is certainly interesting. Only now we will not pull the Donbass today. There are no such funds in the budget, and indeed in the country in general. Tighten the belts again? probably still possible. Only by talking to people do I understand that most are already similar to ants.
    In addition to the economy, I don’t see problems with the adaptation of Donbass. We can put things in order there. There is experience. We see in Chechnya. So, today Roman’s proposal is more of a dream than reality.
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 07: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      In general, the proposal is certainly interesting. Only now we won’t pull today Donbass

      Good morning, Sasha.
      Well, you understand very well that LDNR of Russia is not needed in the form in which it is now.
      It has already turned into a suitcase without a handle - it’s a pity to throw it away, it’s hard to drag it

      Quote: domokl
      Tighten the belts again? probably still possible. Only by talking with people do I understand that most are already similar to ants

      The authorities are well aware that the accession of Donbass will be sharply negatively received by the people (not immediately) in a month since it’s clear that the people have become poorer, and will not take off their last pants for Lugansk and Donetsk.
      Anyway, you understand very well that it is difficult to imagine a better gift for Poroshenko than joining Donbass to Russia.
      The situation is stalemate
      Quote: domokl
      In addition to the economy, I don’t see problems with the adaptation of Donbass

      Well, yes, everything depends on money - this is the harsh truth of life
      Quote: domokl
      We can put things in order there. There is experience. We see in Chechnya.

      The question is not this, but the question, why do Russia need Donbass at all?
      1. domokl
        domokl 22 December 2015 07: 44 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Good morning, Sasha.

        Mutually ... The problem is that if you redeem, then you need to redeem not only the Donbass, but also Zaporizhzhya and further down the list ... That is. those areas that have historically been Russian and oriented toward Russia. And it’s not the marianettes from Kiev, but their owners who will not let them in.
        А в целом,эти разговоры не более чем скрытая форма уже давно озвученных вопросов. Вроде того,кто будет оплачивать "банкет" на Украине? Роман предлагает оплатить нам.Правда частично.
        Sasha is right. The presence of free rubles, regardless of how they are called, determines the tasks to be solved.
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 07: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          borrowed ... That's the problem, that if you redeem, then you need to redeem not only the Donbass, but also Zaporizhzhya and further down the list

          and who will sell?
          Quote: domokl
          those areas that were historically Russian and oriented toward Russia. And this is not allowed by the puppets from Kiev, but by their owners.

          What is it that these regions do not really strive for Russia (do not you find)?
          I somehow did not hear about the unrest in Zaporizhia. Dnepropetrovsk, etc.
          Quote: domokl
          Вроде того,кто будет оплачивать "банкет" на Украине? Роман предлагает оплатить нам.Правда частично.

          Well, whoever pays, the young lady dances. for free - behind the barn. you understand.
          Quote: domokl
          Sasha is right. The presence of free rubles, regardless of how they are called, determines the tasks to be solved.

          Of course. always has been and will be.
      2. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 22 December 2015 07: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        The question is not this, but the question, why do Russia need Donbass at all?

        Вот как раз Росиии Донбасс нужен (в отличии от её олигархата) потому что это русская земля, населённая русскими людьми. В конце концов и украинцы не так давно назывались русскими, а при Ленине проживавшие на территории Украины русские в добровольно-принудительном порядке в паспортах записывались как украинцы. И в конце концов если все новороссийские земли не вернутся в Россию, то русскоязычное население там будет постепенно уничтожено, а появятся американские военные объекты, направленные против России. Вы, господа "вечно гонимый и обижаемый народ", не дураки и сами всё это понимаете.
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 07: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Skifotavr
          That's just what Rosiii Donbass is needed (unlike its oligarchy) because it is a Russian land inhabited by Russian people. In the end, Ukrainians were also called Russians not so long ago, and under Lenin, Russians living in Ukraine were voluntarily forced in their passports as Ukrainians.

          good
          Quote: Skifotavr
          And in the end, if all the Novorossiysk lands do not return to Russia, then the Russian-speaking population there will be gradually destroyed,

          Fairy tales . it seems that in the remaining Ukraine they speak French and the Indians live there.
          surprisingly . but where is ps, where are the murders of the Russians? or do Russians live only in New Russia?
          Quote: Skifotavr
          and there will be American military facilities against Russia

          They will appear so. this is not stopping
          Quote: Skifotavr
          Вы, господа "вечно гонимый и обижаемый народ", не дураки и сами всё это понимаете.

          Well, judging by the flag (yours) - this is a question. which of us is forever persecuted and offended
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 22 December 2015 08: 39 New
            0
            Quote: atalef

            Fairy tales . it seems that in the remaining Ukraine they speak French and the Indians live there.
            surprisingly . but where is ps, where are the murders of the Russians? or do Russians live only in New Russia?

            These tales are very bloody, and also not tales. Russians still live all over the southeast, in Odessa, for example, where they burned them, chopped them with an ax, chopped them, pricked them, and didn’t hesitate in the room. It is clear that your colleagues will not kill everyone at once, they will gradually. Even during the years of simple independence in a previously calm time, mortality in it was such that it was more like genocide. In Russia, the same mortality figures over the years of devastation, but the population there is still larger.
            Well, judging by the flag (yours) - this is a question. which of us is forever persecuted and offended
            This is not my flag, but rather yours, although so far without the star of David laughing
        2. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 08: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: Skifotavr
          That's just what Rosiii Donbass is needed (unlike its oligarchy) because it is a Russian land inhabited by Russian people.

          The argument, of course, is weighty. And in the practical plane? Growing into a depressed region is not the best thing you can think of during a crisis.
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 22 December 2015 08: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            Quote: Skifotavr
            That's just what Rosiii Donbass is needed (unlike its oligarchy) because it is a Russian land inhabited by Russian people.

            The argument, of course, is weighty. And in the practical plane? Growing into a depressed region is not the best thing you can think of during a crisis.

            А я и не гворю что срочно нужно, но вот не факт, что по-хорошему этот "кризис" сам рассосётся.
        3. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 22 December 2015 09: 07 New
          +2
          Magnificent anthracite (power) in the Donbass, coking coal deposits (metallurgy) in the Donbass, which are not numerous in Russia. So the nationalized mines of Donbass (preserved by miners in working condition, unlike mines in the Rostov region, which cannot be restored already), plus a loyal local population, will be able to recoup the initial investment with further restoration of the rest of the infrastructure.
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Black Colonel
            So the nationalized mines of Donbass (preserved by miners in working condition, unlike mines in the Rostov region, which can no longer be restored), plus a loyal local population, will be able to recoup the initial investment with further restoration of the rest of the infrastructure.

            fantastic forecast. laughing Well, suppose re-privatization took place, Akhmet assets were squeezed out, rallies and celebrations took place, new owners scattered from banquets with vouchers in their pockets. Well, then what?
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 08: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        LDNR of Russia is not needed in the form in which it is now.

        only as a buffer zone.
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 09: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: atalef
          LDNR of Russia is not needed in the form in which it is now.

          only as a buffer zone.

          Pantry
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    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 22 December 2015 07: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: domokl
      Only now we will not pull the Donbass today. There are no such funds in the budget, and in the country in general


      И как это Российская Империя "тянула" Новороссию, Кавказ, Азию и пр.? Наверное, в силу своей лапотности, не понимала, что бюджета не хватает и-вытянула. И еще, правда, твердо знала, что Новороссия -это огромное богатство России, а не обуза.
      1. atalef
        atalef 22 December 2015 07: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleksander
        И как это Российская Империя "тянула" Новороссию, Кавказ, Азию и пр.? Наверное, в силу своей лапотности, не понимала, что бюджета не хватает и-вытянула. И еще, правда, твердо знала, что Новороссия -это огромное богатство России, а не обуза.

        Sorry, but these are slogans. in no way connected with today's realities.
        1. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 22 December 2015 08: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          Sorry, but these are slogans. in no way connected with today's realities.

          I’m just touched how you worry about Russian realities.
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 December 2015 09: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: Skifotavr
            Quote: atalef
            Sorry, but these are slogans. in no way connected with today's realities.

            I’m just touched how you worry about Russian realities.

            Because I (unlike you) a citizen of Russia
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 22 December 2015 10: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Because I (unlike you) a citizen of Russia

              But I still could not understand what kind of flag you have so familiar laughing And where is the confidence that I do not have a Russian passport?
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              2. atalef
                atalef 22 December 2015 11: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Skifotavr
                But I still could not understand what kind of flag you have so familiar

                Well, not Ukrainian - how are you
                Quote: Skifotavr
                And where is the confidence that I do not have a Russian passport?

                logic, if you had Russian citizenship, you would hardly have reconciled with the Ukrainian flag in the avatar i.e. I would simply justifiably turn to the admins and ask to change the flag, I would receive either the USSR or the Russian one.
                maybe it didn’t happen, the simplest conclusion suggests itself: you are an ordinary citizen of Ukraine who hates the place of residence, but being an ordinary couch hero, unable to take a couple of bags and 20 bucks (as I did in 1993) and go alone to that country, which you consider yours.
                somehow like this.
                Or am I wrong?
                1. Skifotavr
                  Skifotavr 22 December 2015 11: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: Skifotavr
                  But I still could not understand what kind of flag you have so familiar

                  Well, not Ukrainian - how are you
                  Quote: Skifotavr
                  And where is the confidence that I do not have a Russian passport?

                  logic, if you had Russian citizenship, you would hardly have reconciled with the Ukrainian flag in the avatar i.e. I would simply justifiably turn to the admins and ask to change the flag, I would receive either the USSR or the Russian one.
                  maybe it didn’t happen, the simplest conclusion suggests itself: you are an ordinary citizen of Ukraine who hates the place of residence, but being an ordinary couch hero, unable to take a couple of bags and 20 bucks (as I did in 1993) and go alone to that country, which you consider yours.
                  somehow like this.
                  Or am I wrong?

                  Sucks with logic (or imagination). I deliberately did not change the flag so that people do not believe such as you that only banderlogs live / are on the territory of the state of Ukraine. And I am not going to leave forever from my land. And then you will drive us into the Arctic, and then we will disturb you there. wink However, almost all of our government has Israeli passports, they do not differ in love for this country, but they are not in a hurry to leave yet.
        2. Aleksander
          Aleksander 22 December 2015 12: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Sorry, but these are slogans. in no way connected with today's realities.


          Sorry, but this is a long held data
          .
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      2. domokl
        domokl 22 December 2015 08: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Aleksander
        firmly knew that Novorossia was the great wealth of Russia, and not a burden.

        Well, yes .. The rally continues. Then we will remember where the Russian land came from? Let's move from slogans to a cold analysis of the situation.
        How much can you get from a Russian peasant veins for the sake of an idea? We will richer help, or even redeem. And today the task is a little different. We, though not openly, but declared war. Economic, sometimes explicit, ideological ... war on all fronts. And it’s a crime to spray not yet very large resources. It is a crime.
        I know that in response, give the argument that the people of Donbass will go to fight for Russia in the forefront. Only here is the question, maybe you should not fight at all? Maybe you should think?
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 08: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          I believe that in response you will give the argument that the people of Donbass will go to fight for Russia in the forefront. But the question is, maybe you should not fight at all? Maybe you should think?

          Yes, they are for themselves. they don’t really go to war
          The most interesting . all these slogans -
          Defend Novrossia
          Beyond Syria Moscow
          tear America.
          never took their ass off the couch and hands from the clave and did not send their children there.
          1. domokl
            domokl 22 December 2015 08: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            never took their ass off the couch and hands from the clave and did not send their children there.

            sad And you can’t argue ... My child over there still remembers Abkhazia with a bullet in his leg ... It’s true that he goes there regularly to rest. There are a lot of friends and places are wonderful wink
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 22 December 2015 11: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: domokl
            I believe that in response you will give the argument that the people of Donbass will go to fight for Russia in the forefront. But the question is, maybe you should not fight at all? Maybe you should think?

            Yes, they are for themselves. they don’t really go to war
            The most interesting . all these slogans -
            Defend Novrossia
            Beyond Syria Moscow
            tear America.
            never took their ass off the couch and hands from the clave and did not send their children there.

            И это говорит тот, кто феноминально пишет на этом сайте 24 часа в сутки по 10 комментариев в минуту? "Гражданин России", вам нужно звезду героя! laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 22 December 2015 11: 55 New
              0
              Quote: Skifotavr
              And it says the one who phenomenally writes on this site 24 hours a day at 10 comments per minute?

              Are you following me? 24 hours a day
              Quote: Skifotavr
              Гражданин России", вам нужно звезду героя!

              but I, unlike you, do not throw slogans.
              1. Skifotavr
                Skifotavr 22 December 2015 12: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Skifotavr
                And it says the one who phenomenally writes on this site 24 hours a day at 10 comments per minute?

                Are you following me? 24 hours a day
                Quote: Skifotavr
                Гражданин России", вам нужно звезду героя!

                but I, unlike you, do not throw slogans.

                I do not follow, but sometimes I notice interesting things. And you too will throw slogans, but only such as you need. For example, Novorossiya Russia does not need nafig. And you dilute it with harmless jokes and common thoughts, to be at least a little popular here.
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          3. Aleksander
            Aleksander 22 December 2015 15: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            The most interesting . all these slogans


            You cause sincere sympathy, if for you the most interesting
            is exactly that ....
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 08: 36 New
          0
          Quote: domokl
          Then we will remember where the Russian land came from?

          and get to Kiev ... will we take? wink
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 08: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            and get to Kiev ... will we take?

            not yet. We wait MIKHANa.
            Cool mayor leave?
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 10: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Zeppelin ml.
              Cool mayor leave?

              у него же немецкое гражданство,так что "дранг нах вестен" laughing
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 22 December 2015 11: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            Quote: domokl
            Then we will remember where the Russian land came from?

            and get to Kiev ... will we take? wink

            Kiev will not have to be taken, only his government will have to take it by the ass before it reaches the plane to Israel wink And maydaunas themselves will speed up.
          3. revnagan
            revnagan 22 December 2015 13: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            and get to Kiev ... will we take?

            Well, I also hoped. But so far, even Slavyansk has not reached.
        3. sa-ag
          sa-ag 22 December 2015 11: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          ideological ... war

          Sorry, what ideology? two capitalist societies conflict on the basis of ideology, this is interesting :-)
        4. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 22 December 2015 11: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          Quote: Aleksander
          firmly knew that Novorossia was the great wealth of Russia, and not a burden.

          Well, yes .. The rally continues. Then we will remember where the Russian land came from? Let's move from slogans to a cold analysis of the situation.
          How much can you get from a Russian peasant veins for the sake of an idea? We will richer help, or even redeem. And today the task is a little different. We, though not openly, but declared war. Economic, sometimes explicit, ideological ... war on all fronts. And it’s a crime to spray not yet very large resources. It is a crime.
          I know that in response, give the argument that the people of Donbass will go to fight for Russia in the forefront. Only here is the question, maybe you should not fight at all? Maybe you should think?

          After Syria, it sounds somehow not very convincing winked
        5. Aleksander
          Aleksander 22 December 2015 13: 11 New
          0
          Quote: domokl
          Well, yes .. The rally continues. Then we will remember where the Russian land came from? Let's move from slogans to a cold analysis of the situation.

          А в чем лозунг-то? Это констатация ФАКТОВ. Холодный же анализ ситуации и СИЛ(!), думаю, необходим был полтора года назад, когда со всех экранов неслись именно ЛОЗУНГИ-о Русском мире, разделенном народе, Русской весне (сегодня о них-ни слова!). Именно Русской весне, а никакой не крымской, придуманной полгода назад. Также анализ нужен был при решении о вводе войск и когда прозвучал ЛОЗУНГ:" Пусть попробуют!". Потом же оставалось или выполнять обещанное или же терять лицо, авторитет, доверие, деньги....
          And today, of course, analysis is needed, but has the competence of analysts changed? Judging by the approval at the press conference of the Medvedev government, no. And it is precisely from this policy that the Russian peasant does not increase his strength, and not from the fact that he supported New Russia, IMHO ......
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    3. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 08: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      There is experience. We see in Chechnya.

      чеченские методики при $36/баррель не сработают. В интеграции Донбасса никто не заинтересован. Да и не до него. Проект Большой Новороссии давно уже не реализуем и стал чем-то сродни химере "мировой революции" - еще на слуху, но уже фантастика.
      Quote: domokl
      In addition to the economy, I don’t see problems with the adaptation of Donbass.

      and in vain.
    4. heal
      heal 22 December 2015 09: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      There are no such funds in the budget, and indeed in the country in general. Tighten the belts again? probably still possible.

      Question: where did the billions received during the years of high oil prices go?
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: heal
        Question: where did the billions received during the years of high oil prices go?

        until nowhere, but soon we’ll eat them safely.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 10: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: heal
        Question: where did the billions received during the years of high oil prices go?

        а олимпиада,а футбол? ну и...загадочный "стаб.фонд"...
  7. Glot
    Glot 22 December 2015 06: 49 New
    +3
    And why not concede part of the Ukrainian lands at cost? Those who are still crazy about the whole of Ukraine can not give. Yes, there is some kind of glovebox there, ruin is there, evil separatists with terrorists are entrenched there ...

    Nothing, we have the experience of putting things in order in such places. We agree. Convince. We will help.


    Ага, пока мы там "порядок наведём" совсем в полную финансовую задницу народ опустится. Наш народ.
    Yes, and if they were, this is the land we need, would have long been taken away.
  8. heal
    heal 22 December 2015 07: 01 New
    -2
    Donbass could be taken for debts. And even the whole of New Russia.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 22 December 2015 07: 54 New
      +1
      Donbass will eventually depart. And it is unlikely to beat out debt with a fellow countryman. They have unofficially sold almost the majority of the land. It remains to adopt the law and legally Ukrainian land will become the property (so far on lease) of Western companies.
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 10: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Donbass will eventually depart.

        where such confidence?
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 22 December 2015 11: 18 New
          0
          And from where do you have confidence in a single and indivisible Ukraine? Donbass is unlikely to want to be part of Ukraine. But what time will tell.
          1. Zeppelin ml.
            Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 11: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Donbass is unlikely to want to be part of Ukraine.

            and what is his alternative? Gaining the status of an unrecognized state with one single trading partner (gray schemes do not count)?
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 22 December 2015 12: 02 New
              0
              and what is his alternative?

              I think that they will somehow decide who and who to be.
              1. Zeppelin ml.
                Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 13: 42 New
                0
                Quote: rotmistr60
                I think that they will somehow decide who and who to be.

                I don’t know, I don’t know ... Do you?
  9. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 22 December 2015 07: 08 New
    +5
    Вернуть долг? - Как-бы не так! Реакция украинского правительства - "долги отдают только трусы!". А что вы еще хотели от бандерлогов, они же как та пресловутая обезьяна, которая и умная и красивая, вот и мечутся, на зная как еще отбиться от кредиторов. Надеяться на международные суды, как правильно заметил автор статьи, совершенно не стоит - они (эти суды) никогда не примут решения в пользу России, а если и примут такое решение, то с массой оговорок, которые это решение практически нивелируют. Получить вместо денег бывшие украинские земли (украинские-ли?) - я имею в виду Донбасс- это наверное наилучшее решение вопроса о возврате долга. Но, во-первых Петрушка с Кроликом никогда на это не пойдут, такое решение для них означает политическую смерть, а во-вторых, даже если на Украине возобладает голос разума (уже смешно, не правда-ли?) и они сами захотят избавиться от проблемных земель с "сепаратистами", то тут же последует грозный оклик из Вашингтона, который такое решение проблемы никак не устроит, в-третьих, возникает вопрос, а готова ли сама Россия в нынешней непростой экономической ситуации принять Новороссию, вкладывать в нее немалые средства для восстановления разрушенной в ходе т.н. АТО (по сути необъявленной войны) промышленности и инфраструктуры. Одно ясно - Украина сама долг России не вернет никогда, нет у нее для этого ни денег, ни главное - желания.
    I have the honor.
    1. heal
      heal 22 December 2015 09: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      Реакция украинского правительства - "долги отдают только трусы!"

      And what are they wrong with? Well, let the bold try to pick up.
  10. press officer
    press officer 22 December 2015 07: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    It’s a paradox, but I also think that they need to demand from them for our money territory at a price of 100000m2-one hundred bucks. And no deferrals or concessions!


    The most correct solution for dill today is!
    Because this shobla will not give up debt and everything else! They are specialists there, as they will clear and sell the whole country to the base, calmly dump them in mattress and no one will ever find them ...
    Therefore we must take the land! Like that:
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 08: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: press attache
      Like this:

      so full of fantasy.
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 December 2015 07: 12 New
    -2
    Article plus.
    What on the proposal to take a fellow ...
    I suspect that everything has already been shared and sold out to us.
    You can also demand in exchange to officially recognize Crimea as Russian.
    Yes, I know that he is Russian. But Ukrainians then consider it occupied by Russia.
    In general, it’s better to take money and that's it. That there would be no talk then about
    that took advantage of the situation and squeezed at half the price.
    1. domokl
      domokl 22 December 2015 07: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Zomanus
      You can also demand in exchange to officially recognize Crimea as Russian.
      Yes, I know that he is Russian. But Ukrainians then consider it occupied by Russia.

      But willn’t it be fat to pay such money for the opinion of Ukrainians? Is it still interesting to someone in this world? Everyone has long recognized the fact and not a single sane politician will trample like a ram at a new gate in this matter. Even in the elections in their own country.
    2. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 08: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      You can also demand in exchange to officially recognize Crimea as Russian.

      you know, in politics there is not only an answer
      -Yes . No, there is also
      -irrelevant
      So today, the opinion of Ukraine in the Crimea-it does not matter
      Quote: Zomanus
      In general, it’s better to take money and that's it. That there would be no talk then about
      that took advantage of the situation and squeezed at half the price

      For . to take. from should someone give hi
      1. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        For . to take. from should someone give

        "Я думаю, что торг здесь не уместен.."(с) Берём деньгами, которые никто не даст!
        Какие-то лавочники на ВО детектед - "меняем долг на признание Крыма и Донбасса в пропорции 70 на 30!". Еще понравился комментатор, который предложил трибуну арбитража использовать как ленинский бГоневичок. Любопытно, что "газовых шантажистов" и перекрывальщиков газа поубавилось)
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 22 December 2015 09: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      What on the proposal to take a fellow ...

      There is more than enough of their land in Russia, it is necessary to restore order and create Great Russia, as it happens they themselves will come.
      As for the debt, it is necessary to act according to world practice, without statements about the unfairness of the court, following the results of the court it will be possible to operate with your debts, to give or not to give, referring to the court decision in Ukraine.
  12. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 22 December 2015 07: 15 New
    +1
    Take from them what the Communists gave them. Cutting from Little Russia after the revolution. And let the rest of the rest of the territory continue.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 05 New
      +4
      Цитата: Рождённый в СССР
      Take from them what the Communists gave them. Cutting from Little Russia after the revolution.

      interestingly. Through a court or referendum? Or tank wedges? Why is this idle talk?
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 22 December 2015 13: 42 New
      +1
      Цитата: Рождённый в СССР
      Take from them what the Communists gave them.

      The Communists gave it. So, logically, the Communists should take it. And if you take what was donated by someone, it’s a crime laughing
  13. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 22 December 2015 07: 16 New
    +3
    The court is needed as a tribune.
    From the rostrum to the whole world it will be confirmed that Ukraine is bankrupt, that there is no money, that this is a state with which it is impossible to deal. The reputation is worth a lot.
    1. domokl
      domokl 22 December 2015 07: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      The court is needed as a tribune.

      exactly. Indeed, the reputation is much more expensive than the very 3 lard. And we see this in relation to Russia of the so-called third countries.
    2. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 07: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      The court is needed as a tribune.
      From the rostrum to the whole world it will be confirmed that Ukraine is bankrupt, that there is no money, that this is a state with which it is impossible to deal. The reputation is worth a lot.

      child reasoning
      Russia defaulted twice, Argentina, Brazil, etc.
      why default is bad - everyone knows. few write. that default is neither the death of the state and default gives new opportunities to the country. how it will manage is a question. but it looks something like this
      Why is default good?

      1. Typically, default occurs at a time when the state has accumulated debt beyond measure. The payment of both the main part of the debt and the interest on them is a huge part of the state budget. The tasks necessary for the existence of the country are simply not paid. In this case, the default allows you to direct funds that previously went abroad to solve internal problems that suffer from underfunding.

      2. Default is a means of increasing the competitiveness of the economy and domestic production. Since people receive their salaries in depreciated currencies, and they have to buy goods for the same money, a cheaper product is produced for an external buyer. Both due to the fall in the cost of labor, and due to the cheapening of other resources of domestic production. The cost of goods is one of the most important competitive advantages. So, orders are growing, previously unused capacities are being used, new jobs are being created. It turns out a certain China on a small scale.

      3. Default restructures the entire economy of the state. In conditions of isolation from external financing and imports, the state reaches a safe level of functioning, when it is domestic consumption and financing sources that are prevailing. To do this at normal times is often very difficult, and sometimes impossible.

      4. Burst financial bubbles. In the conditions of a catastrophic fall in the financial sphere, the inflated spheres of the economy become inoperative. The role of real production and real goods is growing. In a bloated economy, a situation often arises when the plant’s shares are much less than its real value. Default default destroys opportunities for financial distortions, and real values ​​return their real value.

      5. The state has a real opportunity to negotiate with creditors to reduce the amount of debt. Often due to the accumulated interest, it grows several times! In the condition of a declared default, lenders often go to a meeting, seeking to get their money back. Sometimes this becomes an outlet for all parties, since often only the presence of such a financial force majeure as default can serve as a legal basis for the lender to negotiate to reduce debt.
      1. Riv
        Riv 22 December 2015 09: 07 New
        0
        And who said that Ukraine will be bad? Ukrainians will live even shitty. And Petka Waltzman certainly still will.

        Incidentally, the 1998 Russian default was fundamentally different. T-bills were originally a financial pyramid and the state then pretty welded. Close bankers, too, of course.
      2. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 09: 20 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Russia defaulted twice, Argentina, Brazil, etc.

        Ecuador in 2008. This despite the fact that his foreign liabilities amounted to only 21% of GDP. Argentina has 155%. I don’t understand why the hoaxes are pushing if, when they declared bankruptcy, the IMF guaranteed them continued lending. There would be a very curious precedent laughing Вот тогда бы Xoxляндия точно вписалась бы в мировую историю финансов как какой-нибудь "фUAнансовый казус"
      3. Zeppelin ml.
        Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 13: 45 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        The court is needed as a tribune.
        From the rostrum to the whole world will be

        child reasoning


        почему же? Плюс башмак и соответствующая риторика) Как там..."Мы вас похороним!"
        not deTski ..
    3. sa-ag
      sa-ag 22 December 2015 11: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      tribunes to the whole world will be confirmed that Ukraine is bankrupt, that there is no money, that this is a state that cannot be dealt with. The reputation is worth a lot.

      Kyrgyzstan at one time was recognized by the UN as a niche country, and nothing, even in some places they accepted
  14. cobalt
    cobalt 22 December 2015 07: 46 New
    +2
    Our government will have to learn one simple thing, don’t lend anything to anyone and then there will be no such problems, it would be better if three billion were allocated for the construction of new schools, kindergartens, factories, it would be useful, otherwise Russia would build the Tureks for its own 20 billion The nuclear power plant, it gives Ukraine money, we are so rich, the government does not know where to give the money, then distribute it to each citizen of the Russian Federation, we ourselves will find use for them.
    1. heal
      heal 22 December 2015 09: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: cobalt
      Our government needs to learn one simple thing, not to lend anything to anyone, and then there will not be such problems

      But what about Putin’s megalomania?

      Quote: cobalt
      three billion would be better spent on the construction of new schools, kindergartens, factories, it would be useful, if Russia builds nuclear power plants for its own 20 billion, then it gives Ukraine money, we are so rich, the government does not know where to give the money, then give it to every citizen of the Russian Federation , we will find them to use.

      Well, the Russian rulers are incapable of this, they can only pull the pipes, lower the ruble (citing the myth of profitability for the economy, yes profitability, if the industry was at the level of German or Japanese, and not raw materials, as it is now), raise prices yes invent new taxes and fees.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2015 07: 49 New
    0
    By court order, any funds allocated to the debtor may be withdrawn, including IMF loans! So the money back. Us. And they will not receive them. This may be the situation.
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 December 2015 08: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      By court order, any funds allocated to the debtor may be withdrawn, including IMF loans!

      Did you come up with it now?
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      so that the money back. Us. And they will not receive them. This may be the situation.

      can not be.
      as long as the case is in court, nothing can happen at all.
      wherein . Ukraine has not defaulted on the country. there is a default on the Russian loan - this is a slightly different compote.
      Yes, provided that this debt is recognized as sovereign.
      Ukraine will prove in court (and I think no one doubts about this) that Russia is an occupying country and during the occupation of Crimea Ukraine lost - as much + as much - who considered this option?
      1. heal
        heal 22 December 2015 09: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine will prove in court (and I think no one doubts about this) that Russia is an occupying country and during the occupation of Crimea Ukraine lost - as much + as much - who considered this option?

        And they will act like that. Maybe something else will come up.
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 10: 03 New
          0
          Quote: heal
          Quote: atalef
          Ukraine will prove in court (and I think no one doubts about this) that Russia is an occupying country and during the occupation of Crimea Ukraine lost - as much + as much - who considered this option?

          And they will act like that. Maybe something else will come up.

          nothing else needs to be invented. Xoxl with numbers of lost profits at the ready, our lawsuit will be broken. Even if the court reduces the order declared by Yats. Moreover, if we take into account the traditions of the arbitration court mentioned by the author to make decisions ex aeque et bono, then in general the prospect seems doubtful
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 22 December 2015 12: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Zeppelin ml.
            Quote: heal
            Quote: atalef
            Ukraine will prove in court (and I think no one doubts about this) that Russia is an occupying country and during the occupation of Crimea Ukraine lost - as much + as much - who considered this option?

            And they will act like that. Maybe something else will come up.

            nothing else needs to be invented. Xoxl with numbers of lost profits at the ready, our lawsuit will be broken. Even if the court reduces the order declared by Yats. Moreover, if we take into account the traditions of the arbitration court mentioned by the author to make decisions ex aeque et bono, then in general the prospect seems doubtful

            You’ve famously placed everything in the world. laughing The sovereign debt recovery court is one thing, and the occupation court is another. Even if some Hague court demands the return of an independent Crimea, Russia will simply send it away. This is not a case for you under Yushchenko, who, before considering the Romanian lawsuit in the case of the Snake Island and the sea shelf before the international court, stated that she would unconditionally agree with any decision. Naturally, this court made a contradictory and illegal decision that the island belongs to Ukraine, and the shelf around it belongs to Romania.
            1. Zeppelin ml.
              Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 12: 48 New
              -1
              Quote: Skifotavr
              and the court of occupation is completely different.

              and I didn’t even talk about occupation, as a matter of consideration in court. It's about the economic consequences. And xoxly drag a whole bunch of calculations to the court, do not hesitate. Even if half of them are considered indirect.
              1. Skifotavr
                Skifotavr 22 December 2015 14: 00 New
                -1
                То, что они притащат в суд всякую хрень типа удостоверений "зелёных человечков", осколков "мин российских оккупантов", кусков обшивок "сбитых ими самолётов", и кучу всяких справок я не сомневаюсь. Я сомневаюсь что они не опозорятся как обычно.
                1. Zeppelin ml.
                  Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 14: 03 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Skifotavr
                  в суд всякую хрень типа удостоверений "зелёных человечков", осколков "мин российских оккупантов", кусков обшивок "сбитых ими самолётов"

                  Yes, come on, do not distort. You perfectly understood what I was talking about. Although, maybe not ...
                  1. Skifotavr
                    Skifotavr 22 December 2015 14: 37 New
                    +1
                    I didn’t distort, but only a little prettified (although maybe not laughing ), and I think that you also understood me. The sovereign debt of Ukraine to the Crimea, Donbass or something else is not relevant.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 22 December 2015 10: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine will prove in court (and I think no one doubts about this) that Russia is an occupying country and during the occupation of Crimea Ukraine lost - as much + as much - who considered this option?

        These are just claims of the current Ukrainian authorities.
        She would prove nothing if she could have proven it long ago.
        Russia may also file applications for the occupation of Novorossia, may refer to the illegality of the current government through a coup, if this was a revolution then Ukraine is therefore a different country than the one before the revolution, there are a lot of nuances for world jurisprudence and it will last forever .
        From the point of view of law, the detachment of Crimea is more legitimate than the current leadership of Ukraine coming to power, I’m not sure, but they still haven’t even tweaked the constitution for themselves.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 22 December 2015 11: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Russia may also file applications for the occupation of Novorossia, may refer to the illegality of the current government through a coup, if this was a revolution then Ukraine is therefore a different country than the one before the revolution, there are a lot of nuances for world jurisprudence and it will last forever .

          Who next will file a lawsuit stating that the abolition of the USSR was illegal, because it was contrary to the results of the referendum, thus both the Russian Federation and Ukraine are a single country, etc. etc?:-)
        2. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 12: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Russia may also apply for the occupation of Novorosia

          Now it was especially funny.
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          may refer to the illegality of the current government through a coup

          good too. In fact, the Russian Federation recognized the power in Ukraine. Let us refer to the fact that the Guarantor had a temperature at this time and take the confession back?
      3. Stena
        Stena 22 December 2015 11: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine will prove in court (and I think no one doubts about this) that Russia is an occupying country and during the occupation of Crimea Ukraine lost - as much + as much - someone considered this option

        Neither proves ever. This is a matter of a separate court. At the court of default, this issue will not even go in the background. It doesn’t matter to everyone - Crimea or not Crimea. There is a fact - the impossibility of paying money. What is it due to - everything in FIG. Maximum - sue and open a separate case. That's all.
        1. atalef
          atalef 22 December 2015 12: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Stena
          Neither proves ever. This is a matter of a separate court. In court of default, this issue does not even go in the background

          why?

          Quote: Stena
          There is a fact - the impossibility of paying money. What is it due to - everything in FIG.

          Yes ? strange, suppose. you were given a loan, then the lender came and cut your assets and funds. and then demanded to pay the debt (this is an example)
          and you think that your arguments will not be accepted in court?
          Quote: Stena
          Maximum - sue and open a separate case. That's all.

          Sure ?
          1. Stena
            Stena 22 December 2015 12: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Sure ?

            300% sure. Have you ever been as a defendant in court?
            That’s where the court doesn’t care at all - why you can’t pay. Consider a specific case - no payment, that's all. And why did this happen - to everyone to the lamp. They say - these are your problems - open a separate business - we will sort it out. Here the situation is similar. Only a larger scale.
            It is physically impossible to prove that Russia - the occupier - how do you imagine this? Crimea became part of Russia absolutely legally. No one canceled the results of the referendum. Therefore, there are 0 chances, 0 tenths.
            1. atalef
              atalef 22 December 2015 12: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: Stena
              300% sure. Have you ever been as a defendant in court?

              In small claims, sued the insurance company - won
              Quote: Stena
              That’s where the court doesn’t care at all - why you can’t pay. Consider a specific case

              Of course, therefore (although he was right. 100% in my opinion). got less than thought
              Quote: Stena
              And why did this happen - to everyone to the lamp. They say - these are your problems - open a separate business - we will sort it out. Here the situation is similar. Only a larger scale.

              Tales
              Quote: Stena
              It is physically impossible to prove that Russia - the occupier - how do you imagine this? Crimea became part of Russia absolutely legally. No one canceled the results of the referendum. Therefore, there are 0 chances, 0 tenths.

              You will not tell this to the Basmanny Court, but to international arbitration.
              Give me a list of countries (and especially the UN) that have recognized this legal basis, then we'll talk.
              1. Stena
                Stena 22 December 2015 19: 58 New
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                Give me a list of countries (and especially the UN) that have recognized this legal basis, then we'll talk.

                Это уже отдельный иск - подавать его будут хохлы - им и карты в руки - пусть доказывают, что незаконно. А что - суд теперь оперирует понятиями "у кого больше"? Какая разница - какие страны признали - здесь важно соответствие действий нормам права. А вот здесь - никаких придирок не возникнет - автономии имеют право выбора. Выбор был сделан. Далее - вот такущая огромнющая Точка.
            2. atalef
              atalef 22 December 2015 12: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Stena
              300% sure. Have you ever been as a defendant in court?

              In small claims, sued the insurance company - won
              Quote: Stena
              That’s where the court doesn’t care at all - why you can’t pay. Consider a specific case

              Of course, therefore (although he was right. 100% in my opinion). got less than thought
              Quote: Stena
              And why did this happen - to everyone to the lamp. They say - these are your problems - open a separate business - we will sort it out. Here the situation is similar. Only a larger scale.

              Tales
              Quote: Stena
              It is physically impossible to prove that Russia - the occupier - how do you imagine this? Crimea became part of Russia absolutely legally. No one canceled the results of the referendum. Therefore, there are 0 chances, 0 tenths.

              You will not tell this to the Basmanny Court, but to international arbitration.
              Give me a list of countries (and especially the UN) that have recognized this legal basis, then we'll talk.
              1. Zeppelin ml.
                Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 14: 13 New
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                Give me a list of countries (and especially the UN) that have recognized this legal basis


                Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Venezuela, North Korea, Syria, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, Afghanistan, Argentina, Vietnam, Ghana, Mongolia, Abkhaz
                Oia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, the Dniester Moldavian Republic, Uganda, Catalonia (Spain).

                It's a shame: Ghana recognized the referendum, but neighboring Côte d'Ivoire did not. The mysterious people of Akana ...
  16. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 December 2015 07: 59 New
    +2

    And why not concede at cost part of the Ukrainian lands?


    The question is of course interesting. But ukrokhunta will not go for it. She will die herself, but will not. Here it is necessary to take measures under the Law, but harsh.
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 10: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888

      And why not concede at cost part of the Ukrainian lands?


      The question is certainly interesting.

      except in terms of praying him in the forum. The practical essential meaning in it is not one iota.
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 December 2015 08: 14 New
    0
    You can include in the margin on gas, sex is also a good idea.
  18. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 22 December 2015 08: 38 New
    0
    Probably no one seriously thought that Ukraine would repay the debt. And about the fact that Russia will not pull the Donbass, is it not pulling now?
  19. mamont5
    mamont5 22 December 2015 09: 05 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    the prospect of fucking Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk is unattractive.

    Да уж... Вот подвесить их "на просушку" - это совсем другой коленкор.
  20. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 22 December 2015 09: 10 New
    +1
    It is necessary to systematically and purposefully shoot all American and European representatives on the outskirts. There is nothing to bar the land of our ancestors by the presence on it of our enemies, geeks.
    Морд пятьдесят уничтожить и больше ни один "советчик" границу не пересечёт, а там уже дальше посмотрим как с больными дальше разбираться и чем лечить.

    The West, led by the empire of lies, should be punished harshly, painfully and without punishment for its actions on our outskirtsзcompromise. Punished so that for millennia he remembered that even looking negatively in the direction of the Russians is dangerous, not to mention throwing a trick on them.
  21. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 22 December 2015 09: 22 New
    0
    Ukrainians again changed the main record. Was - Russia, like, MANDATED to restructure on the terms of commercial creditors. Now we’ve returned to the old record - you don’t have to give it back, because it is Yanukovych’s personal duty, in the form of a bribe. laughing
  22. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 22 December 2015 10: 05 New
    +1
    The article is about nothing! In general, about nothing, such a bold hint that Euro-Khokhlam would not be bad to pay for this debt by the territory. It is a pity in the article there is no answer how to take this territory. Well, or in general to repay the debt.
    And here, Prime Minister Medvedev is starting to implement a plan for knocking out this debt.
    Well, like any Medvedev’s plan, this is as secret and as effective)))
    Everyone has already scored a long time ago for this debt and the West with its IMF and, moreover, Euro-crests. A trial will last for years, if not decades. The only thing that this duty can justify some kind of action and all. Probably when this money was given, they thought that the IMF would not dare to rewrite the rules, but something went wrong. How will it affect without the return loss of this treshka, I think that no matter what the mass of funds leaving the hill is just a drop in the ocean, the money floating away from us is a negligible loss.
  23. Baloo
    Baloo 22 December 2015 10: 10 New
    +1
    They will not repay this debt ever. For no reason they staged a coup.
    They will cut fat, hide, then run away. New scammers entering power through the next Maidan will shout about a humanitarian catastrophe, bring everything to the runaways. And again they’ll file, hide, run away.
    Only the Donbass can really stop this big top, but they have few resources. So alas and ah.
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  25. mamont5
    mamont5 22 December 2015 11: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Dimon-chik-79
    Everyone has already scored for a long time on this debt and the West with its IMF and, moreover, Euro-crests. A trial will last for years, if not decades.

    You are mistaken. Before broadcasting in such a way, at least get to the bottom of the issue. Here is a worthy answer of a knowledgeable person to such fabrications.
  26. Avantageur
    Avantageur 22 December 2015 11: 58 New
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    What will we receive Ukrainian debt?

    Yes, in what way does Kiev receive loans, and so it will repay ... And first, Ukraine will begin to repay its debts from Russia, and then it’s going to cling to the rest of the creditors ...
  27. GESTAPO
    GESTAPO 22 December 2015 12: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: domokl
    In general, the proposal is certainly interesting. Only now we won’t pull today Donbass

    Good morning, Sasha.
    Well, you understand very well that LDNR of Russia is not needed in the form in which it is now.
    It has already turned into a suitcase without a handle - it’s a pity to throw it away, it’s hard to drag it

    what nonsense are you writing. these areas 5 such as they themselves will provide. besides do not compare Ukrainians hard workers with Russians, lazy to the point of horror, but kind people!)
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 13: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: GESTAPO
      do not compare Ukrainians hard workers with Russians, lazy to the point of horror

      xoxoл-работяга с ником "гестапо" - это, конечно, перл. laughing "Стучать друг на друга устала рука..."
      1. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 22 December 2015 15: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Zeppelin ml.

        Стучать друг на друга устала рука..."

        Do not think that I am a crest, but unfortunately both the Russians and the Belarusians also have such a disaster ...
        1. Zeppelin ml.
          Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 15: 51 New
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          Quote: Skifotavr
          Quote: Zeppelin ml.

          Стучать друг на друга устала рука..."

          Do not think that I am a crest, but unfortunately both the Russians and the Belarusians also have such a disaster ...

          I do not deny. The national list can be continued.
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 22 December 2015 16: 14 New
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            And that is true.
    2. Avantageur
      Avantageur 22 December 2015 13: 38 New
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      Quote: GESTAPO
      besides do not compare Ukrainians hard workers with Russians, terribly lazy, but kind people!

      Well, well, hard workers ... laughing

      They sleep for a long time, eat at the workplace and are afraid to express their opinion. So the working days of office workers in Kiev are described by HR agency employees and - with a fresh eye - the foreigners working here.


      Украинцы - пассивные эгоисты, которые не доверяют друг другу и пренебрегают социальным интересам в угоду семейным и интересам близких людей, согласно исследованиям "Софии" (Центр Социальных Исследований СОФИЯ).
  28. Mestny
    Mestny 22 December 2015 13: 04 New
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    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    у него же немецкое гражданство,так что "дранг нах вестен" laughing

    Чёт по моему в слове "нах" есть ещё две буквы.
  29. Down House
    Down House 22 December 2015 13: 45 New
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    Сколько комментариев от желающих "больше земли" - 100% будущие плантаторы написали fellow
    But in fact - they won’t give us land, but we DO NOT NEED it ourselves from the very beginning.
    Деньги нам тоже не дадут - но для нашей экономики это все равно копейки, тут вопрос принципа что "нас динамят".
    Думаю - просто трубу перекроют + "санкции" и порося свои же и съедят с шоколодками.
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  31. Maz
    Maz 22 December 2015 14: 47 New
    +2
    Take in kind: from Mariupol to Tiraspol
    1. Zeppelin ml.
      Zeppelin ml. 22 December 2015 17: 47 New
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      Quote: Maz
      Take in kind: from Mariupol to Tiraspol

      and chicks from FEMEN, yeah ...
  32. Shooting
    Shooting 22 December 2015 15: 10 New
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    Мне вообще кажется, что Путин и не собирался эти деньги обратно получать(давая в "долг",был УВЕРЕН, что "подарил"). Эти 3 млр. используются в политике нашим Президентом, как то иначе, чем просто деньги(хоть и не маленькие).
    There are many options.
    1. mult-65
      mult-65 22 December 2015 21: 28 New
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      The simplest and most obvious option - they took and drank (our and Khokhlyat elites). Everything as usual.
  33. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 22 December 2015 15: 29 New
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    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, being captured below the waist, spoke in Russian. So that's where he has the button!
  34. trantor
    trantor 22 December 2015 15: 31 New
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    And why not concede at cost part of the Ukrainian lands?

    И президент там алкаш, и страну такой же сделал. Все уже распродано, а что не распродано, то своровано и в цветчермет сдано. В долг уже не дает никто, насчет у соседей стырить тоже тяжко стало - все настороже. Христа ради на "фуфырик" уже не подают - рожи у аптеки примелькались. Осталось только квартиру-землю продать и полностью в бомжа превратиться. Только вот ведь вопрос - "убитая" она в хлам и клопов-мутантов вместе с тараканами развелось немеряно. Кому она такая нужна, одна санобработка дороже будет стоить.
  35. sir
    sir 22 December 2015 16: 00 New
    +1
    and I have another proposal. many Ukrainians work in Russia, well, let them pay the debt for their homeland. For example, 10 percent of the salary until full repayment am
  36. Specialist 77
    Specialist 77 22 December 2015 16: 48 New
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    to talk about the return of debts, it will be necessary with the new government of Ukraine capable of dialogue .... what is available now is illiquid .... the territory is certainly good, but economically, while it is not profitable .... everything will have to be rebuilt (not in the sense of construction .... although about what territories to talk about ....) from scratch ..... but also (even not so small) money, against the backdrop of global crises, it’s also .... , more profitable, change their government .... enter into long-term contracts .... and receive, taking into account indexation .... but this is my personal opinion ....
  37. Mercenary
    Mercenary 22 December 2015 17: 45 New
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    "А у нас премьер Медведев начинает претворение в жизнь плана по выбиванию этого долга."
    Medvedev must understand that this is his last chance for the presidency in 2022, and he is not so popular anyway and suffer him because of Putin!
  38. jekasimf
    jekasimf 22 December 2015 19: 20 New
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    Well of course! Paramogli to Moscow! Yata sit at the dupe! Putin cries and tears his hair there.
    After all, Ukraine, the center of the universe!
    And Ukrainians sacredly believe that this IMF decision was made in solidarity with them and solely for their sake!

    То,что это произойдет было ясно давно.Москва очень долго ждала этого решения.И за него стоило заплатить 3 лярда.Весь прикол в том,что этим решением,МВФ уничтожил все правила существования мировой финансовой системы,точнее КРЕДИТНО-финансовой системы.Которая базировалась на главном принципе-долги надо отдавать и кредитор должен быть уверен,что его долги вернут.Первыми странами,которые воспользуются "прецедентом",будут Греция,Испания,Португалия,Исландия и т.д. по списку.Но настоящий взрыв произойдет, когда главный должник на планете ,так же решит воспользоваться этим прецедентом.Напомню-США дожны миру 19 триллионов...И отдавать их явно не собираются.Вот под кого и создается эта ботва с Укрой.
  39. onix757
    onix757 22 December 2015 20: 52 New
    +1
    1) They will not pay us.
    2) What is three yards when we are billed for 50 (and what’s funny, our elites will pay but out of people's pocket)
    4) Who are the judges?
    5) Why did they recognize the decisions of foreign courts?
    6) Who is to blame and who will answer?
    _________________________
    Summary: bent and make fun.
  40. Odessitka
    Odessitka 22 December 2015 23: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: atalef
    LDNR of Russia is not needed in the form in which it is now.

    only as a buffer zone.

    Do you understand what a buffer zone is? This is an empty territory. For Ukraine, this is not acceptable, even if put under agricultural land, then they must belong to someone. stop
  41. Wolka
    Wolka 23 December 2015 05: 55 New
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    наивно так думать, но Россия в обозримом будущем этих денег все равно не получит, даже если будет соответствующее решение международного арбитража, а вот то, что на своих границах Россия получит постоянный геморрой, требующий постоянного внимания и ресурсов, это факт, собственно, янки на это и расчитывают, и еще не удивлюсь, если к власти в украине под новый год придут военные, ситуацию конечно это в корне не изменит, тем более экономически, но "веселуха" с оружием видимо будет продолжаться...