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In the republics of Donbass declared about the shelling of settlements by Ukrainian security forces

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This morning, the Ukrainian security forces shelled the village. Spartak and the territory of the Donetsk airport, transmits RIA News message of the Ministry of Defense of the DNI.




“This morning shelling of Spartak and Donetsk airport was recorded. Currently, the shelling is over, "- said the military department.

Shelling was also reported at the headquarters of the national militia of the Lugansk Republic.

"In 23.50 19 December, from the direction of the settlement of Troitskoe (under the control of Ukrainian security officials), fire was opened at the positions of the People's Militia in the area of ​​the settlement of Veselogorovka," said a spokesman for the headquarters.

“Shelling was carried out from a mortar caliber 120 mm. According to the positions of the People’s Police of LNR, 25 mines were released, ”he specified.

In turn, the press center of the ATO said the shelling of the militia.

“Over the past day, 63 militants have opened fire at the positions of the ATO forces, which indicates a certain increase in the number of armed provocations on their part,” the release reads in Facebook.
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  1. samarin1969
    samarin1969 20 December 2015 13: 44
    +6
    The sad daily tradition "suddenly" became news ... Why would it be?
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 20 December 2015 13: 50
      55
      They obviously don’t want to pay their debt ... Well! negative
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 20 December 2015 14: 10
        +5
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        They obviously don’t want to pay their debt ... Well! negative

        A collection agency, also known as a debt agency, is an agency that specializes in extrajudicial collection of overdue receivables and bad debts, as well as a business whose purpose is to facilitate the payment of debts of individuals and legal entities. And the main thing is according to the law.(Voroshilov shooter to \ f)
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 20 December 2015 14: 44
          +2
          Well, as I said, when the debtor cannot pay, they describe his property. There is infa that the Navy ships, which are being confiscated from us for preservation, plus 2 drilling rigs, which dill bought for 1,5 billion dollars a couple of years ago, were dragged to our place. In general, we will find what to overcome in the payment of debt. Yes, and our appraisers will evaluate. wink Thc would not be urki and-mi-they would give, and so they will lose much more nishtyakov. hi
          1. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 20 December 2015 17: 45
            0
            If 80% are Svidomo and self-propelled, then nekhai will throw off 70 $ per person and pay a favor! The freebie is over! And cola Well are you really garbooby porridge?
          2. cap
            cap 20 December 2015 21: 20
            0
            Quote: g1v2
            Thc would not be urki and-mi-they would give, and so they will lose much more nishtyakov. hi

            Odessa with the region. I think in full. One port of what it costs laughing .
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        3. Baloo
          Baloo 20 December 2015 20: 12
          +1
          A collection agency, also known as a debt agency, is an agency that specializes in extrajudicial collection of overdue receivables and bad debts, as well as a business whose purpose is to facilitate the payment of debts of individuals and legal entities. And the main thing is according to the law. (Voroshilov shooter to \ f) Indeed, it is advisable for the Russian Federation to transfer the debt of banderkraina to Donbass. And then this egg is completely insolent, I won’t pay, I won’t pay ...
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 20 December 2015 19: 43
        13
        Reports from the militia with the callsign "Sych"
        I'll start the battle ... Horror ... And I'm not talking about shelling us ... ukrov have arrows that smear through even residential buildings. And we are given so many ammunition that we have to destroy their armor, their snipers, etc. with jewelry precision. Well, that’s even better ... For example, they fired at us 12 times, we answered only 2 times on a large scale + the work of snipers ... And they lose 3-4 times more
        The horror lies elsewhere! The enemy has pulled such power to the front that we can only rely on the "help of friends" ... And this is not because our army has degraded, as some analysts write. We have bulk weapons, excellent training. The enemy trite outnumbers us, about 3 times and the same amount of firepower. The enemy is preparing to crush us with one blow.
        I will not say whether we are ready for this or not! Let it be foggy for the enemy, if possible. I will tell our people that there is hope for victory.
        Well, this is the combat situation at the front.
        Now about what we have in the army. Often, even too often on the Internet I see negative information, they say they introduced the military, they make the army, drill, etc.
        I don’t understand, such people. I believe that only those who were very cool before say this. There is no high command, you can rob, wring out what you want, withdraw from positions without permission, and other delights of a disparate militia.
        Drill training teaches DISCIPLINE and coherence. This is taught in all armies of the world. Because it is AZE.
        Do not like what orders to follow? So how to fight?
        To be honest, I don’t understand all this! The army should be, and the time of scattered militia is gone.
        I personally do not like only 2 things that came to us in this reorganization. These are pieces of paper, that is, too many bureaucrats, and terrible corruption.
        This must be fought, but the struggle is not visible ...
        Therefore, there will be enough talk that the ideological ones are leaving because of the army building. If a person is really ideological, then he will not leave, believe me, he will adapt, but he will carry his own for a long time before the Motherland! Here the Cossacks were disarmed ... 90% were included in the same ter. Cossack bats and NM brigades. And those 10% that left, they say that they left, in fact kicked out, and even for "more merit." And this is not only among the Cossacks!
        Perhaps someone will not understand me, but most of the disbanded units deserve this.
        PS Recorded from a mobile ...
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 20 December 2015 13: 56
      43
      One word ghouls Bandera.
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 20 December 2015 15: 35
        +8
        Quote: vovanpain
        One word ghouls Bandera.

      2. sovetskyturist
        sovetskyturist 20 December 2015 16: 51
        +7
        Divide and conquer, new scenarios in the old fashion.
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 20 December 2015 14: 09
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      What is it for?

      Our press is also actively read in the West. what Perhaps, the command has been given to show, on the eve of the end of the initial deadline for the execution of "Minsk2", that we are watching the situevina and are ready to intervene, if anything happens.
      1. Constructor1
        Constructor1 20 December 2015 14: 34
        +7
        They posted on the star - who is who)) http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201512172321-xz7a.htm
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 20 December 2015 14: 19
      25
      Just under fire yesterday I wrote a short summary.
      The airport is booming. The cannonade began at about 15 o’clock and is increasing. Especially at the beginning of every hour, for example at 16:10 and until 16:30 or at 17:20 and until 17:40. Of course it always flies, but especially strongly at the beginning of every hour, moreover, as if according to the schedule, at the same time a strong cannonade begins at precisely that time. And as a standard, AGSs, RPGs, VOGs, sometimes a tank leaves and makes 4 shots due to landing, then hides in a ravine.
      The BCH practically does not respond to such things, only when the mortars are already ukrov, they beat for a long time from one position or the tank becomes insolent and costs a long time.
      The beginning of the hour and again another shelling. Now on my hourglass 18:15 ...
      The Ukrainian tank is pounding, I would give a lot to find out the names of the crew ...
      I got the tank for a week. And ours save anti-tank missiles ...
      "Good morning" - this is how I regard the morning shelling from the Ukrainian Oktyabrsky tank from 08:30 to 08:40, a little later, apparently changing his position, or maybe just a tanker of the Armed Forces of Ukraine made a smoke break, the shelling was repeated from 09:05 to 09:15. In Avdiivka, the SBU is doing the cleaning ... they take everyone to the school, rewrite their passports and knit separators. In the same way as in Krasnogorovka and Marinka. Information from the first, so to speak, hands.

      1. San Sanych War
        San Sanych War 20 December 2015 14: 29
        +3
        Did the Lord of the Sith come across to you?
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 20 December 2015 14: 32
          +3
          Periwinkle is not seen. Others saw.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 20 December 2015 21: 09
            +1
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Periwinkle is not seen. Others saw.

            Is Vladyka a "Tunguska" in Donbass or is it a photoshop?


            Putin today about the Donbass:
            Putin: We can’t give to the nationalists Russian-speaking Donbass
            Russia will not give up the population of the South-East of Ukraine “for the nationalists”, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.
            http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1450621947
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 20 December 2015 21: 31
              0
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Is Vladyka a "Tunguska" in Donbass or is it a photoshop?

              I had in mind the army of Donbass.
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 21 December 2015 00: 51
                0
                I didn’t see the Tungusok, and it is not visible on YouTube and was not on the parade. But what you showed is not photoshop. A man painted equipment in the Krasnodar Territory and took a picture.
      2. Belarus
        Belarus 20 December 2015 15: 28
        +6
        How do you live there and you have enough nerves? I won’t put my mind to it. The information about the shelling can soon be compared with the weather forecast sad
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 20 December 2015 15: 37
          12
          Quote: Belarus
          How do you live there and you have enough nerves? I won’t put my mind to it. The information about the shelling can soon be compared with the weather forecast sad

          Habit ... Yesterday, Saturday is the bazaar. There is a whistle and a loud bang. Somewhere on the side, the 120 mm mine fell. People in the bazaar fell into the mud. Then they got up, helped the old people to get up, and everyone continued to do their own thing.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 20 December 2015 17: 54
            +2
            Someone Jonathon Hammil was beaten to death by 35-year-old Augie Henning, calling himself the Lord of the Sith, at the premiere of a new part of Star Wars in Massachusetts, media reported. According to the publication, Hammil, leaving the cinema, began to shout out spoilers regarding the “Awakening of Power” tape he had just watched, including voicing quite important intrigues.
            What was in the lobby and waiting for the next session, Ogie was furious, attacked the guy and, saying: “You don’t understand what you did? Yes, you just ruined my life! ”Began to beat the victim, until she stopped moving.
            Vladyka Sith, after this I would not have climbed to the Donbass on the spot in the coming weeks. And then FIG knows what to expect from you if the movie premiere is ruined by you. am lol
      3. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 20 December 2015 15: 49
        20
        Message from Lugansk militia
        "Publish without mentioning" from whom. "In the area of ​​Popasnoy shooting, grenade launchers are used. An enemy tank was destroyed on Bakhmutka. From today, in response to the recent shelling of Stakhanov, planned" cleansing "from active enemy firing points, including from The enemy lost 1 UAV. In the area of ​​Happiness there is a sniper duel, the Armed Forces of the LPR have one wounded, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have one wounded. This is the infa that I could scrape together from my acquaintances. We are preparing equipment for battles, we are training personnel. Recently, the curators (who, by the way, are also new) have cleaned the brigades of "dead souls" and drunks. In terms of morale, not everything is going smoothly, after the murder of Dremov both civilians and soldiers lost heart during active battles it can make itself felt. I don't know who killed Dremov. Rather, I guess, but not being 100% sure and personally "not holding a candle" I have no habit of testifying, since it will be not a testimony, but a woman's hearing. By the way, unprecedented security measures are planned for the New Year. For each school and hospital, 10 people were assigned to be on duty with weapons. "
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 20 December 2015 16: 05
          21
          Thank you, Vladyka Sith, for information, as always, clearly and efficiently, I don’t want to vang, but according to the reports it seems like it will start again in a new, not for nothing host Dill Biden came to his servants, I really want to make a mistake.
        2. cniza
          cniza 20 December 2015 16: 22
          11
          Hang on, God bless you.
      4. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 20 December 2015 16: 58
        +1
        A plaque-fly, what an excellent position for a grenade launcher is a side angle, low speed of movement. Ehhhhh!
      5. vell.65
        vell.65 20 December 2015 19: 19
        0
        Quote: Sith Lord
        The beginning of the hour and again another shelling. Now on my hourglass 18:15 ...
        The Ukrainian tank is pounding, I would give a lot to find out the names of the crew ...
        I got the tank for a week. And ours save anti-tank missiles ...
        "Good morning" - this is how I regard the morning shelling from the Ukrainian Oktyabrsky tank from 08:30 to 08:40, a little later

        Just a dozen snipers are covering this armored whopper.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 20 December 2015 20: 40
          0
          A rapier does not get it? Does he leave at the same time? Snipers can not be covered from the cliff? I thought, if he rolls out at the same time, maybe mercenaries? 18.15 Moscow is already dark. How does he move in the dark? Shoots from different positions? If there is any pattern, you can try to guess and make fun ...
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    5. Lelek
      Lelek 20 December 2015 14: 26
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      .What is it for?


      Unfortunately, the further, the more alarming. Western "guarantors" insolently do not want to notice violations of the armistice and the clauses of the Minsk agreements. The PS openly calls for the physical elimination of Poroshenko and his henchmen and for the outbreak of hostilities in the southeast and in Crimea. Dzhemilev's tricksters and "ultra" Balts sing along with them. The impression is that it is about to begin. yes
    6. vell.65
      vell.65 20 December 2015 19: 14
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      The sad daily tradition "suddenly" became news ... Why would it be?

      They have saved up a bit of energy and think that this will be enough to provoke Donbas. It may be worth seriously answering and driving to the very border of the republics or a little further_to Kiea. They sometimes get smarter when they are strained.
    7. Uran
      Uran 20 December 2015 20: 45
      +1
      that’s how they’ll not calm down
  2. cniza
    cniza 20 December 2015 13: 44
    12
    How long will this go on, where is the line to which all this can be tolerated?
    1. Kars
      Kars 20 December 2015 13: 48
      14
      I once thought that everything would end after the first volley of Grad, as I was naive two years ago.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 20 December 2015 14: 12
        +5
        Quote: Kars
        how naive I was two years ago.

        Two years in a war is a whole life.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 20 December 2015 15: 21
        +5
        Quote: Kars
        I once thought that everything would end after the first volley of Grad, as I was naive two years ago.

        I always think about how I needed to find words for my parents and grandparents to explain what was happening in the country. They did not live to see the fratricidal war and they don’t see what was happening. I still can’t find clear explanations
    2. Loner_53
      Loner_53 20 December 2015 14: 32
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      How long will this go on, where is the line to which all this can be tolerated?

      Probably as long as they will sit in kuev (partners) sad
  3. KBR109
    KBR109 20 December 2015 13: 45
    10
    They will treat default by war. The reason is good, the medicine is universal and time-tested. Moreover, from January 1, traveling outside Svidarni to men under 46 is generally prohibited.
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 20 December 2015 14: 21
      0
      Quote: KBR109
      Moreover, from January 1, traveling outside the Svidarni to men until 46 years is generally prohibited.

      Really ??? Why lie so brazenly wink
    2. Extraneous
      Extraneous 20 December 2015 21: 49
      0
      Actually, judging by the Outskirts media. There is no law on restricting the exit of citizens of draft age as such. There is a law restricting the exit of citizens for various reasons, similar to such laws in other countries. We too.
      This version appeared after the outskirts of Moscow issued a warrant on permission to leave people of draft age abroad only with a certificate from the military registration and enlistment office. And also thanks to Poroshenko's statement with a similar statement.
      A wave of indignation immediately arose in the media, since these wishes of the Ministry of Defense and Poroshenko have no legal basis. Such a limitation is possible only under martial law. Which is not on the outskirts. That is, such a restriction can be imposed by the Outskirts only in the state of emergency, which is the "ATO zone". And when a general mobilization is declared, but this is, again, in the case of martial law.
      The very statements about the "wishlist" of the Ministry of Defense and Poroshenko arose in connection with the failure of the draft.
      The whole story with the "restriction" is overblown by our zealous cheers-patriots.
      Do not bother with this topic.
  4. Motherland Russia
    Motherland Russia 20 December 2015 13: 45
    +6
    It’s time to steal and punish these Nazis so that others are not disagreeable.
    And then some kind of impunity ...
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 20 December 2015 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: Motherland Russia
      It’s time to steal and punish these Nazis,

      No need to steal. They need to be destroyed on the spot, at the scene of the crime against their People! Especially Valtsmanov, Avakoy, Yaytsenyuhovyh, Lyashkov and S rakosh vili and their entire Nazi gop company!
      1. Motherland Russia
        Motherland Russia 21 December 2015 09: 47
        0
        Such actions will play into the hands of those who "pull their strings."
        But if they began to appear upturned without soap.
        And there would be no hint who did this. That would be great ...
        "The earth would burn under their feet."
  5. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 December 2015 13: 48
    +7
    These shelling will continue forever until Poroshenko is in power or until these flayers are blown up until they roll their carts to the installation site.
    1. cniza
      cniza 20 December 2015 13: 52
      +2
      Quote: dchegrinec
      These shelling will continue forever until Poroshenko is in power or until these flayers are blown up until they roll their carts to the installation site.


      Any war ends in peace - this is the truth, how to achieve it faster?
      1. 30BIS
        30BIS 20 December 2015 14: 07
        +4
        Victory in the war! Forcing the world!
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 20 December 2015 13: 49
    +6
    Sooner or later, but the war will take a more open form, Kiev will go on the offensive, and then certainly there will be no third Minsk!
  7. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 December 2015 13: 52
    +3
    I do not pretend to be true. But those who come on vacation say that it provokes the LPR, DPR, to the extent that the cartridges are taken from the fighters, so that they would not snap. I'm talking about the APU, does not apply to fucking battalions. Although Maryinki and Donetsk, this does not apply.
    27th brigade. From there infa.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 20 December 2015 14: 08
      +8
      In the village of Ptichya in the Rivne region of Ukraine, radicals from the "Right Sector" banned in Russia and representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate (UOC-KP) blocked parishioners in the Assumption Church, the website of the Synodal Department of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church reports.

      The conflict began two days ago - the radicals did not let the parishioners into the temple, beat them with batons and armatures, and threw Molotov cocktails. Parishioners and the priest of the temple received numerous injuries.

      Then part of the parishioners was able to enter the temple through the side doors. Then representatives of the Kiev Patriarchate surrounded the entrance to the church and cut it off from power supply. Parishioners remain in the church without light and food for more than a day. It is clarified that we are talking about 12 women and two priests.


      What else is there to add? request
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 20 December 2015 14: 12
        -1
        Church and grandma-wablo. Now it is a synonym. sad
    2. Pirogov
      Pirogov 20 December 2015 18: 18
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      I do not pretend to be true. But those who come on vacation say that it provokes the LPR, DPR, to the extent that the cartridges are taken from the fighters, so that they would not snap. I'm talking about the APU, does not apply to fucking battalions. Although Maryinki and Donetsk, this does not apply.
      27th brigade. From there infa.

      That's it from the ishbatalons !!!!! how much profit from the war, and who in those battalions those who did not work when, and you noticed that the homeless people disappeared, I wonder where they are ???? I think the answer is clear! Yes, Kuyevo’s, great, generals are making money, so this war will not be another year.
  8. Same lech
    Same lech 20 December 2015 13: 59
    +6
    But I’m more interested in the situation if suddenly in the west they decide to speed up the entry of UKRAINE into NATO .... and all conventions will be thrown aside .... what is the scenario for the development of such a situation?
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 20 December 2015 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      But I’m more interested in the situation if suddenly in the west they decide to speed up the entry of UKRAINE into NATO .... and all conventions will be thrown aside .... what is the scenario for the development of such a situation?

      We will "calibrate" Kiev! hi
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 20 December 2015 14: 04
        +5
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        We will "calibrate" Kiev!

        Lavrov's "concerns"
    2. Barakuda
      Barakuda 20 December 2015 14: 06
      +4
      Russia will partner with Iran, India, I hope with China, Venezuela itself will be asked, Vietnam and North Korea will be tightened. We ourselves obviously will not stay. Lavrov and Churkin at the post. winked
      1. I am Russian
        I am Russian 20 December 2015 14: 44
        +4
        Quote: Barracuda
        Russia will partner with Iran, India, I hope with China, Venezuela itself will be asked, Vietnam and North Korea will be tightened. We ourselves obviously will not stay. Lavrov and Churkin at the post. winked


        In Venezuela, longtime rival Hugo Chavez (Blessed Memory), billionaire Capriles, won the parliamentary elections.

        With the Chinese (Arim) "only business". For support in the foreign arena, Russia sells S-400 and Su-35. Creates a joint passenger plane with the Arims.
    3. Atrix
      Atrix 20 December 2015 14: 17
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      in the West will decide to force the entry of UKRAINE into NATO

      Bullshit Ukraine now in NATO no one will ever take. Ukraine has an unresolved territorial conflict with Russia, Ukraine will have to recognize at the official level then that Crimea is not Ukrainian, not a single politician will do it. And there are countries in NATO that will never agree to Ukraine joining NATO and to conflict with Russia.
      Yes, and why Ukraine needs NATO, it is enough to allow bases on its territory for the United States, which is tantamount to joining NATO
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 20 December 2015 14: 26
        +7
        Quote: Atrix
        there are countries in NATO that will never agree

        In order to stop lending to Ukraine in case of default, the IMF did not even require a consent - it is directly written in the Charter of the organization!
        However - they changed the Charter, especially for ukrov .. hi
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 20 December 2015 14: 37
          -1
          Quote: avia1991
          However - they changed the Charter, especially for ukrov.

          Well, you understand why the IMF made such a decision. Yes, and the IMF cannot start a full-scale war in Europe and the beginning of the 3 world, but because of Ukraine’s admission to NATO, all this can be learned.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 20 December 2015 14: 51
            +5
            Quote: Atrix
            why did the IMF make such a decision.
            Andrew, EVERYTHING IS UNDERSTANDING. But all the same, it is done in the way that is profitable for the Americans!
            And with the entry of Ukraine into NATO, the States will break into a cake - but they will force the Allies to give up their interests, in the interests of America! Do not forget that the disparate portion of NATO maintenance costs is borne by the United States. And "the one who pays money is the one who dances the girl!" And if you remember how frightened Geyropa is by the "Russian threat" (although we do not need them nafig, with their values, perversions - especially!) - you can understand that they will never give up on amerskoy "protection"!
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 20 December 2015 20: 44
          0
          There was infa that in 2017 the moratorium on the sale of land in Ukraine to foreigners is ending. And then it will begin.
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      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 20 December 2015 14: 59
        +5
        Quote: Atrix
        Bullshit Ukraine now in NATO no one will ever take. Ukraine has an unresolved territorial conflict with Russia, Ukraine will have to recognize at the official level then that Crimea is not Ukrainian, no politician will do it

        The states are the master of NATO and the master of their word. If they want it, they will change the laws in a couple of days (well, do not offend Biden and his son!). And besides, Ukraine is a tidbit for NATO. So they will easily sacrifice principles (which are not observed in the telescope).
      3. Serg koma
        Serg koma 20 December 2015 21: 37
        0
        Quote: Atrix
        there is an unresolved territorial conflict

        Turkey and Greece are NATO members ... And Cyprus is between them. So what?
        1. Atrix
          Atrix 20 December 2015 23: 36
          0
          Quote: Serg Koma
          Turkey and Greece are NATO members ... And Cyprus is between them. So what?

          Learn the story. The admission of Greece and Turkey to NATO was 18 February 1952, and the Cyprus conflict began with 1963 and escalated in 1983 when the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was formed.
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 20 December 2015 15: 38
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      But I’m more interested in the situation if suddenly in the west they decide to speed up the entry of UKRAINE into NATO .... and all conventions will be thrown aside .... what is the scenario for the development of such a situation?

      1 Almost the first one, and I think the main rule when choosing a country is the opportunity to make money on it, because the country should switch to NATO standards. For Ukraine, this does not roll at all, it still has to spend NATO to arm Ukraine.
      2 NATO does not take countries with territorial problems in order not to be drawn into old conflicts. For Ukraine, it will be necessary to recognize the Crimea and the Donbass, and this is the death for any politician.
      3 America is full of fools, but not so much as not to understand, for Russia Ukraine is the RED HIT, for which there is a war between NATO and Russia.Dmitry Simes yesterday perfectly confirmed this in his interview that they won’t fight for Ukraine under any circumstances, just that they don’t want to hear in Ukraine itself.
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 20 December 2015 18: 53
        +2
        Everything that happens now and earlier in Ukraine testifies to being drawn into NATO regardless of the existing rules and laws. A very tidbit-Ukraine has found its owners. I think in the future the next move will be the deployment of elements of the missile defense system. They are ready for everything, and the reason is drawn in the Donbas . To send an otter in fact to one’s own western border is the same as pounding one's feet. Nobody stutters about the neutral buffer zone between the West and Russia. Time is irrevocably lost.
  9. avia1991
    avia1991 20 December 2015 14: 04
    +6
    I don’t believe that Donetsk and Luhansk people "ask for themselves" for shelling wassat
    Well, what did we expect, in fact? That the essentially fascist power in Ukraine will be affected by words and persuasion, and all kinds of diplomatic "cunning plans"? THEY SPIT.
    Looking forward to the New Year. And if soon after January 1 the next round of anti-terrorist operation does not begin in Donbass - I will be very surprised .. And happy. what God bless me ..
  10. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 20 December 2015 14: 15
    0
    Something seems to me, brothers, that this conflict will really stretch for years. Ukrainians in any case, the LPR, the DPR will not crush, Russia will not attack ukrov .. In my opinion, only a change of the current government in Ukraine can solve something .. and who has any thoughts on how to get out of this situation?
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 20 December 2015 14: 24
      +8
      And the sense of our thoughts. Power-money bags have a deal done. Let’s say, if they call me, I’ll surrender and will point to Siberia to my homeland. There is something to do there.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 20 December 2015 14: 27
        0
        Are you really writing from Ukraine? I thought from Russia .. belay
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 20 December 2015 14: 43
          +4
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          I thought from Russia ..
          So hello to you laughing Ivan and Valera never hid where he came from! And he gave out information that you can't easily find here - "from the scene," one might say.
          Everyone has their own problems, and not all solved - this is the question of whereabouts.
          Valery - I remember your reason. And she’s understandable .. Hold on! hi
          1. Atrix
            Atrix 20 December 2015 14: 47
            +3
            But what's the difference where a person comes from, everyone has their own circumstances of life in a particular country. The main thing is how a person positions himself.
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 20 December 2015 16: 00
              +1
              I have no complaints .. that you are so right away .. it's just one thing when a person writes from Ukraine, and another when a Ukrainian is from Russia ... I just wanted to ask this.
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          2. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 20 December 2015 15: 55
            +3
            Well .. you old-timers of the site, it seems .. I can’t know everyone. You understand that the Ukrainian flag does not mean that a person is real in Ukraine ... I myself am partly holol - my grandmother was really a zapadenka, she hated Russia all her life, although she moved to Russia after the 90s. On the part of his wife, Cossack Stavropol, many relatives in Ukraine ...
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        2. Barakuda
          Barakuda 20 December 2015 15: 08
          +8
          Really, I'm tut, for now. Although I want to rush away. All in all, Wars - trained in everything. But you need to stay calm for now. And besides the Russian Spring and the super-crest in exile. winked Nobody except us .
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 20 December 2015 15: 50
            +2
            hi Sorry, I didn’t know ... move to us soon ... I always read your posts with pleasure. respectfully hi
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          3. opus
            opus 20 December 2015 21: 12
            +4
            Quote: Barracuda
            Nobody except us .

            +
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  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 December 2015 14: 23
    +6
    Alas, the junta decided to save Dill from default by another escalation of the war. Like - the war will write everything off. No, not guessed. The war will write everything to the winners. What does not shine for the juntians even once ...
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 20 December 2015 14: 40
      +1
      Alas, the junta decided to save Dill from default

      I’m afraid, dear, that it’s not a country, but its worthless personal belongings so that they wouldn’t be unscrewed on the next Independence Square and at least delay the term of their funeral! hi
  12. gelezo47
    gelezo47 20 December 2015 14: 47
    +1
    Since the term of Minsk-1 expires on January 2016, 2, the junta is preparing for the next confrontation of the conflict. The presence of heavy weapons and manpower is growing. The war will continue, here everyone understands ...
    In the meantime, there is an increase in the forces of the Armed Forces and provocations on the entire front ... After all, maintaining peace for the current Kiev authorities will lead to a new Maidan, which is already more destructive ... negative
  13. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 20 December 2015 14: 50
    +4
    Shelling reportedly from the sites of New Russia daily by terrorists. Terror and looting of the invaders.
    It's just that they "forgot" about Donbass on the Russian central channels.
    For a long time, the current conflict cannot become an obstacle to entry into NATO of Ukraine - as the rules correspond, they have already seen it from the IMF. The more time passes, the deeper the US subjugates the country.
    The people are freezing, starving, but what else can be expected from the Bandera government?
    The people of Ukraine continue to destroy, the experience of destroying the population of Americans for centuries.
    I don’t see any gap, the people will be destroyed, the country will be plundered, American bases will be instructed. The people can’t and can’t do anything, too much free weapons in the country, too much blood spilled.
    The moment when it was possible to use Yanukovych to restore constitutional order, the introduction of martial law, so as not to at least give the gunmen a warehouse with weapons hopelessly missed. The debate about the drain, not the drain seems ridiculous and bitter: today there’s nobody and nothing to save there, soon Ukraine will be freed from the population, there will be a bunch of clowns of incomprehensible nationality, in Russian, sputtering and waving their fists, proving to each other that they are true Ukrainians.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 20 December 2015 15: 12
      +3
      Quote: olimpiada15
      It's just that they "forgot" about Donbass on the Russian central channels.

      The Russian DH is not a people, but the people do not forget. There are other sources from which you can learn about events in Ukraine. In VO Lord Sith, for example. A TV box is for zombies.
  14. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 20 December 2015 15: 02
    +2
    I don’t understand, they wanted to - they started bombing, they started shooting. How can this be tolerated? Once or twice or three to extinguish the bomb and the shooter, the desire will disappear in the future.
    People are dying, this cannot be allowed.
  15. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 20 December 2015 15: 11
    +3
    I sincerely do not understand the position of the OSCE observers. Suppose for a second that one mine fell in the Baltic ... so it will raise such a wave of srach that the flood is far away ...
    In Donbass, every day it is pouring in right in front of these "observers". If they do not "observe", so why keep them there? So that they only pass intelligence data to the Nazis? Expel them from the territory and be done.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 20 December 2015 18: 10
      +2
      OSCE follow directions from above.
      Somehow I translated their report from the site,
      The media commented that
      "OSCE recorded shelling of the population from the Ukrainian Armed Forces."
      In their report, not only is it never written that the shelling of the n.p. from the APU, but not even a hint.
      In the best case, they will write that the shelling is from the north-west, and that the APU’s positions are in this direction never.
      And how else could Russia be blamed?
      Those from the Council of Europe who decide such an entry are interpreted as shelling the population by militias, respectively, is the fault of the Russian Federation.
      Our curators do not seem to bother to translate the reports themselves and do not raise the issue of the absence of records on shelling of the population by the forces of the Armed Forces.
      Here is a story with the OSCE
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 20 December 2015 20: 01
        +2
        Quote: olimpiada15
        Here is a story with the OSCE

        No one doubts that the OSCE observers are "zasdantsy" and correctors! The State Department gave the direction, and the monkeys carry out the assigned plan!
  16. onix757
    onix757 20 December 2015 15: 12
    0
    Alas, our government drove itself into a corner, instead of cutting this Gordian knot relatively bloodless during the Russian spring (and such a chance falls once every 100 years), today it will be forced to go according to a tougher and bloody scenario, and if kapets dries this power, she will sign a sentence to herself.
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 20 December 2015 18: 34
      -3
      The scenario will be as follows: an instant seizure of Ukraine and Georgia (this one also suggests itself in NATO), along the way we will glue American units here and there, and this will be just the beginning. It's just that all the conditions haven’t agreed on one point. You will get tired of "Hurray" - shout.
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 20 December 2015 19: 47
        +1
        Georgia and Abkhazia in NATO to block the strategic exit to the Black Sea. 8,8,8 broke off. Crimea, also a bummer. Now Turkey. The Russian Federation has only one exit to the Black Sea basin-Sevastopol. There are no other ports and suitable bays and cannot be geographical and landscape features. Even Tuapse is not an option, there is a bulk terminal, but a quicksand. This is why it is not Georgia and Ukraine that are eager for NATO, but they are being pulled there.
      2. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 21 December 2015 10: 14
        +1
        Whoever disagrees with me, let's wait two, three years. I think this period, maybe everything will accelerate? In any case, now the West’s penetrating entry into these countries begins, we just won’t be able to look at it. It’s like stepping on your Faberge. When the West climbed into the countries of Eastern Europe, no one thought the promise was made. It will also be moreover, that the leadership suffers from excessive credulity (Turkey) and optimism. Then recall these words.
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  17. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 December 2015 15: 37
    +1
    Quote: Barracuda
    Really, I'm tut, for now. Although I want to rush away. All in all, Wars - trained in everything. But you need to stay calm for now. And besides the Russian Spring and the super-crest in exile. there is where to bring down. winked Nobody except us .
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 20 December 2015 18: 36
      +3
      It’s good to argue when the wife and children do not hold ,,, and grandmothers allow. Or relatives at least for the first time support. I have heard such songs from three already, and they gave me the summons and went .......
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 20 December 2015 20: 44
        +3
        Wife and children YES, do not hold. And there are no special grandmas. But there is a kindred to God, they won’t leave them in trouble, they invite themselves. The truth is to Yamal. There the bitch is cold, like a Siberian, and not used to it. And there are no subpoenas, my case simply does not exist, they swell ... still under Kuchma.
  18. Egor123
    Egor123 20 December 2015 15: 41
    0
    So reported as if for the first time ...
  19. Litsvin
    Litsvin 20 December 2015 15: 53
    0
    Here are parasites - everyone will not calm down. So they want to make a mess of people in Donbass. So on New Years and Christmas, they can send "gifts". We need to finish with this !!!
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 20 December 2015 18: 45
      +1
      Here comes Brother, finish it!
  20. fa2998
    fa2998 20 December 2015 15: 57
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    when the debtor cannot pay - describe his property.

    Or maybe Roshen's property in Lipetsk. After all, the owner is not an ordinary businessman, but the president of the debtor country. yes hi
    1. onix757
      onix757 20 December 2015 16: 13
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      Or maybe Roshen's property in Lipetsk. After all, the owner is not an ordinary businessman, but the president of the debtor country

      This "debtor" is recognized by our government as a legitimate, legitimate and very respectable businessman. So it is not worth our power to offend our people.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 20 December 2015 17: 25
        +2
        Quote: onix757
        So it’s not better than our government to offend their people

        In our country, it will probably be saved from popular anger. And what, in which case we will accept Obama. Not the people, the pepper is clear, but those who are far from the people.
    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 20 December 2015 17: 18
      +2
      Sberbank of Russia (more precisely, Mr. Gref) and other offices continue to invest in Ukraine, including state ones. The exchange of confiscations will not be in our favor ...
  21. individual
    individual 20 December 2015 16: 24
    +1
    Interested in:
    Today they still shoot for money.
    And tomorrow default is also in Kiev - the customer is dumb!
    Pan Ataman has no gold reserves!
    And "they will also scatter in different directions."
    1. onix757
      onix757 20 December 2015 16: 29
      +1
      Quote: individ
      Today they still shoot for money.

      shoot and most likely will shoot.
      Quote: individ
      And tomorrow default is also in Kiev - the customer is dumb!

      This default besides Moscow does not bother anyone in the world. In other words, the problems of the Indians ..
      Quote: individ
      Pan Ataman has no gold reserves!

      The owner will throw
  22. Bjorn
    Bjorn 20 December 2015 18: 18
    +2
    It’s not for me to judge what the leadership of Russia decided about this war, but it seems I’ll have to wait and endure. Time works for New Russia. Eh ... if people still did not die.
    But in general, the residents of Ukraine are already at a low start. As soon as they enter visa-free, millions will rush to Europe. Without whole villages, they surrender to refugee reception centers. And here the country is simply depopulated. I myself see all this when I am in Sweden. Shelter does not shine for them, but yes, half a year or a year of a free life. And then illegal work for pennies on black was also illegal. Already a blockage full of echoes of our squealing - Ukrainians all prices knocked down, or else it will be. The right sector in Europe already covers its roofs and sells everything from cigarettes to drugs. So you will not drive anyone to fight soon.
  23. atamankko
    atamankko 20 December 2015 18: 22
    0
    The arrogance of the junta has no limit, for
    they are on the ideals of the Nazis, or just nonhumans.
  24. archimer
    archimer 20 December 2015 21: 33
    -2
    What would the best aces of the USSR answer!
    1. S_last
      S_last 20 December 2015 21: 51
      -7
      What kind of enemy propaganda is this, Comrade Stalin, Comrade Pokryshkin, and why is the enemy Aero Cobra. The plane is worthless and rotten, like all capitalism, imperialism.
  25. kapitan92
    kapitan92 21 December 2015 01: 10
    +4
    Quote: sanya.vorodis
    Do you know that Pokryshkin flew, fought and won in the "Aircobra" ??? sad request

    We know! "Airacobra" is an interesting and well-armed vehicle. The design is interesting: the engine is located behind the pilot. The pilot's back is closed from the rear hemisphere. Pokryshkin shot down 1941 aircraft in 45-59.
    I.N. Kozhedub began the war in 1943, from the Kursk arch. He fought in LA 5, LA 5FN, LA 7-shot down 62 enemy aircraft, including the latest jet ME-262.
  26. Gardener91
    Gardener91 21 December 2015 02: 54
    -1
    Quote: S_last
    What kind of enemy propaganda is this, Comrade Stalin, Comrade Pokryshkin, and why is the enemy Aero Cobra. Airplane and Mperialism.
    Well, forget it!
  27. kapitan92
    kapitan92 21 December 2015 10: 23
    +4
    "Minusovers !!! When you put your M & N U S S in the" answer "column, try to argue your thoughts or emotions, if of course you have them !!! am
  28. S_last
    S_last 21 December 2015 12: 19
    -1
    Yes, let it be minus, they sold the country for Coca-Cola and chewing gum, and then they swung it at the holy one, at the aerocobra. Of course, for them, American means the best.
  29. kapitan92
    kapitan92 21 December 2015 16: 05
    +4
    Quote: S_last
    What kind of enemy propaganda is this, Comrade Stalin, Comrade Pokryshkin, and why is the enemy Aero Cobra. The plane is worthless and rotten, like all capitalism, imperialism.

    .......... Of the famous Soviet aces on the P-39, Amet-Khan Sultan, G. Rechkalov, N. Gulaev, V. Fadeev, P. Kutakhov (who later became air marshal and deputy defense minister of the USSR) fought .

    Three times Hero of the Soviet Union A.I. Pokryshkin, who also flew on the AeroCobra, won 48 of his 59 air victories on this plane .......
    Booking:
    Rear bulletproof glass 63 mm thick. Front (mounted in the visor) - 37 mm. The pilot’s armored plate and the armor behind the engine, covering the oil tank, are 6,5 mm thick steel. The weight of metal armor is 92 kg, the weight of bulletproof glass is 27 kg [5]
    All-metal monoplane, armament varies: 1 -20mm cannon and 2-4 12.7 machine guns, or 30mm cannon and two 12.7 groats.
    A total of 4952 P-39 AeroCobra fighters were delivered to the USSR under Lend-Lease,