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Do we need to love our state?

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In our life in recent decades, the phrase: "I love my country, but I hate our state." Repeatedly, it came across in the comments on the site.


This expression has always seemed controversial to me, but somehow there was somehow no time for controversy. The other day, I read A. Maslov's book “Watching the Chinese,” and his analysis of the national psychology of our eastern neighbors prompted me to return to this problem.

Briefly from the book: “The national psychology and business ethics of the Chinese is embodied in society in the form of written and unwritten laws, norms of relationships and hierarchies, commonly known as Confucianism ...

... Confucianism preached several of the most important ideas on which Chinese political culture is still based:

1. The state is a priority value for each person; serving the state, the ruler, whatever it may be, is the duty of any citizen. The Chinese, even if they are unhappy with something in their state, always stand on the side of China as a supra-social entity, fear the state and see it as their only reliable advocate ...

... All Chinese are patriots ... Chinese love ... China as some historical community. The Chinese are statesmen in their essence. No matter where the Chinese live, inside or outside China, they always remain loyal to their state and their culture ...

... both in the past and today it is always emphasized that China has a special way of development, to which no Western schemes are applicable ... "

The idea that the stability of Chinese civilization for 4 for thousands of years has been explained precisely by this quality of its citizens is affirmed by the author several times.

When comparing the views on the state of the Chinese and some of our citizens, the difference becomes clear when solving the crisis of socialism in our countries. The Chinese have rolled out on the Tiananmen Square the meager slaves of Western civilization who have imagined themselves capable of driving the people into a global stall of democracy. As a result, China is flourishing and developing, becoming (become?) A superpower, the well-being of its citizens is steadily increasing.

The leadership of our country - including relying on the opinion of a part of the population - did not dare to use force against Moscow imbeciles. Having saved the lives of a certain crowd of American puppets, the people paid for this “humanism” with millions of completely normal lives, including those who were not born. Official statistics do not tell the whole truth, but doctors, professionally in contact with this problem, argue that for decades in Russia, up to 6 million abortions were performed per year. Multiplying this number only by 4 of the year and adding the tsunami of alcoholism to death (according to 40000-50000 people per year died from surrogates), drug addiction, industrial injuries, gangster clashes, etc., we get approximately the same 30 million people who died in the war against fascism.

Only the democracy that won in Russia does not last 4 of the year, like the Great Patriotic War, but much longer. And she was able to achieve such achievements in the genocide of the Russian people that the fascists never dreamed of.

Firstly, it is the “Russian cross”, when for the first time in history in peacetime the number of deaths began to catastrophically exceed the number of births. What was struck the whole world.

But, most importantly, if the fascists took the sin of killing people on their souls, then the Democrats created such living conditions that the Russians themselves began to kill their children before birth.

And then the question arises: do we need a democracy that is worse than fascism?

By the way, this victory of democracy in Russia was already the second in the twentieth century. The first occurred in February 1917. The democrats-masons could not cope with the country (in practice, managing it turned out to be much more difficult than in dreams), and the RSDLP, whose members are now persistently called Bolsheviks, took power, trying not to recall that in fact they were the most democratic , albeit with the prefix "social".

And the result was similar: as a result of the victory of the democrats, a civil war broke out in the country, which took lives from 30 to 40. In the course of the terror unleashed by the Trotskyists, entire sections (classes) of society were destroyed. Families of priests and noblemen, officers and merchants, Cossacks and wealthy peasants were driven into barges ... All, including mothers with babies in their arms, were drowned in rivers. No wonder that the Russian emigration of that time portrayed Trotsky in a Masonic apron with his hands up to his elbows in blood on a mountain of human skulls.

Nowadays, crafty crafty media are trying to put the responsibility for terror entirely on Stalin. However, as Vadim Kozhinov showed in his studies, Stalin was not the organizer of the repressions. He received them from the Trotskyists. Nobody could stop the repressive apparatus sharply: he himself would have fallen victim to it. But Stalin managed to significantly reduce the scale of repression (according to the research results of V. Kozhinov, 35 times as compared with the Trotskyists) and pass the organizers of this terror through this mechanism. What he can not forgive the descendants of these organizers.

As a result, we see that the Russians in the twentieth century crushed their imperfect states twice, after which the whole country washed for a long time with blood, and as a result received the worst versions of government.

It's a shame. After all, this could have been avoided. Many pre-revolutionary prominent figures warned of the mortal danger of democracy. About this wrote, for example, K.P. Pobedonostsev in the article "The great lie of our time."

You could just turn on your brains. After all, everyone knows that any person is imperfect. This means that any state consisting of concrete imperfect people will also be imperfect. It can only be improved by evolution. For life shows that in any war, especially civil one, the most honest and noble people are the first to die. And survive, as a rule, in the mass of the most cunning and mean. And these better states cannot build by definition.

I hope that, having read the written and remembered my life baggage, all normal people will understand that the question in the title of the article is rhetorical.

PS But let's not forget that, unfortunately, many not quite normal people live among us. Who sincerely believe that they are the smartest in the world, and the anchovies around them are simply obliged to give them the opportunity to rearrange the world at their discretion. According to which the existing world is imperfect and must be completely destroyed. And then, according to their intentions (if anchovies will only be able to conform to the plans of the elect), a new world will be built, perfect, in which, by the way, there should be no place for every wretched anchovy.

And before you run on the Maidan, you need to think carefully about how the whole thing can end. Examples before eyes. And not only Ukraine. Everywhere, where overseas serfs have destroyed their states, we observe the same picture: the people are paying with ruin and blood.

References:
1. Kozhinov V.V. "Russia. Century XX. 1939-1964. M .: Algorithm, 1999
2. Maslov A.A. Watching the Chinese. M .: Ripol-classic, 2010
3. Pobedonostsev K.P. The great lie of our time. M .: Russian book, 1993
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  1. 1976AG
    1976AG 22 December 2015 12: 21 New
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    But should the state love its people?
    1. milann
      milann 22 December 2015 12: 29 New
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      For me, it is necessary to love the Fatherland.
      The state ... the country ... is all for the reasoning.
      But the author is undoubtedly right "where the lackeys destroyed their states, we observe the same picture: the people are paying with ruin and blood."
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 22 December 2015 12: 36 New
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        Quote: milann
        But the author is undoubtedly right "where the lackeys destroyed their states, we observe the same picture: the people are paying with ruin and blood."

        - it happens and - by mistake. The Kazakh scooter group also sings about the mistake - "they cheated us very cunningly!" Time to fix bugs.

        I ask for help to post a song from YouTube - it is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdC6YMJJKuc
        1. Temples
          Temples 22 December 2015 12: 42 New
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          Plato:
          “Democracy is carried out when the poor have won, they will destroy some of their opponents, disperse others, and equalize the rest in civil rights and in the replacement of public office, which, in a democratic system, happens by lot”

          Russia in "democracy" after Romanov denied and thus gave the country to the torn to pieces democrats of all stripes.

          You could just turn on the brain.

          Russia is a great country, with centuries of history and culture.
          Let the Chinese live in peace.
          Tomorrow, the author will read a book about how Vietnamese live and will advise taking an example from the Vietnamese.

          For life shows that in any war, especially civil war, the most honest and noble people are the first to die. And the most cunning and vile, as a rule, survive in their mass. But these better states cannot be built by definition.

          This is an author about himself and his family ???

          Mostly honest and noble people surround me.

          Or maybe the author just quarreled with his wife? wink
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 22 December 2015 13: 24 New
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            Quote: Temples
            Plato:
            “Democracy is carried out then ..
            .........


            Hmm ... That's what is surprising - in almost all universities they are forced to study Plato's work “On the State”, but, in my opinion, neither students nor teachers are good at it ... Nobody thinks about the deep meaning of the work of this philosopher ...

            He put everything on the shelves a long time ago, but mankind - even with the alleged study of his works - does not take his weaponry ...

            But in general, the article is controversial because of the fact that the author mixed the state, country, society and the Fatherland in a heap - completely unequal and not balanced concepts ...

            The state, cynically speaking, is a mechanism and apparatus for managing ... um, to put it mildly ... Well, in general, a group of shepherds led by a godfather ...

            And when the real, one hundred percent bsdlo and thieves, who consider themselves to be an elite, and all the people as an “electorate” with which they are driving, are sitting in this mechanism-apparatus, then it’s very difficult to love such a state apparatus-mechanism ...

            However, we and this "elite", unfortunately, exist in the same country space, breathe the same air of the Fatherland ... Only they and we have different ideas about the Fatherland ...

            The only thing I immediately agree with the author is that we don’t need destructive maidan ... What is the case of what is happening - they are not needed on that side either ...

            And the Fatherland ... God forbid, a big mess will begin - many of us will go to fight not for the state with the elite, as such, but for the Fatherland ...
            1. nils
              nils 22 December 2015 15: 50 New
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              Quote: veksha50
              The state, cynically speaking, is a mechanism and apparatus for managing ... um, to put it mildly ... Well, in general, a group of shepherds led by a godfather ...


              From the protocols of Zion: “When we introduced the poison of liberalism into the state’s body, its entire political complexion changed: the states fell ill with a deadly disease - blood decomposition. It remains to expect the end of their agony. From liberalism, constitutional states were born ... and there is a constitution, as you well know, nothing more than a school of discord, discord, controversy, disagreement, fruitless party propaganda — in short, a school of everything that depersonalizes the activities of the state. Allowed for inaction and powerlessness ... Then we replaced the government with its caricature - the president, taken from the crowd, from among our creatures ... "

              Metropolitan John (Snychev): “OUR FATHERLAND is ours, our people are going through hard, difficult times. The shrines are trampled and spat upon, the state is thrown into plunder by unscrupulous and greedy money-grubbers, priests of the new official religion - the cult of spiritual and physical debauchery, the cult of unbridled profit - any The process of apostasy, the decomposition of a living and whole Christian attitude, predicted by the Lord Jesus Christ almost two millennia ago, is nearing completion.

              Unfortunately, modern concepts of the ways of the revival of Russia are distinguished by their extreme complexity and inconsistency. It seems that we cannot decide in any way what we want to achieve? What will we revive? What means will we use?

              Bitter, oh, how bitter to write these words: the glorious history of our Fatherland is distorted and forgotten, its spiritual meaning is perverted and slandered! Wake up, Russian people! Do you not feel how meanly, cynically and cruelly deceiving you, depriving the Homeland and Faith of sovereign support in the fight against external evil and the heavenly healer of internal ailments of the soul? "
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 22 December 2015 18: 23 New
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                Quote: nils
                Bitter, oh, how bitter to write these words: the glorious history of our Fatherland is distorted and forgotten, its spiritual meaning is perverted and slandered! Wake up, Russian people! Do you not feel how meanly, cynically and cruelly deceiving you, depriving the Homeland and Faith of sovereign support in the fight against external evil and the heavenly healer of internal ailments of the soul? "



                Totally on your side ... hi
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 22 December 2015 21: 27 New
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              Veksha

              The state is a soulless mechanism that was created by society for its development and protection.

              You can love the homeland, homeland, country. The state can be respected.

              But if you have to defend your homeland, country, people, you will do it with the help and as part of the state.

              Since one in the field is not a warrior.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 22 December 2015 21: 21 New
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            Temples

            What do not you like?

            The fact that the author pointed out to you the role of the state in the development of society?

            I brought you a bunch of examples, substantiating your point of view?

            What did you want to say yourself?
        2. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 12: 46 New
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          Quote: aksakal
          I ask for help to post a song from YouTube - it is here:

          You are welcome!
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        4. milann
          milann 22 December 2015 12: 50 New
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          Quote: aksakal

          I ask for help to post a song from YouTube - it is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdC6YMJJKuc

          Thanks for the link!
          Already posted. But duplicated.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 22 December 2015 13: 03 New
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            Quote: milann
            Thanks for the link!
            Already posted. But duplicated.
            - thanks for the help))))
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      3. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 22 December 2015 12: 48 New
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        And what does it mean: "slaves destroyed their states"? Or gentlemen pour less blood and destroy the state? Are you a supporter of the division of people into slaves and gentlemen? To which of the categories, in this case, are you willing to relate to yourself? As long as such a division is rooted in the brains and in the state, any reorganization will be accompanied by devastation and great blood.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 22 December 2015 12: 59 New
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          Quote: Comrade Bender
          While such a separation will take root in the brains and in the state, any reorganization will be accompanied by devastation and great blood.

          hi Bocha! soldier
          Such differentiation is introduced by the state itself.
          There are many publications in which those in power call the people "plebs."
          And the whole question is whether the people will accept this name for themselves, whether they will feel themselves as “plebs,” and as soon as this happens, you can write “lost” ...
          1. Comrade Bender
            Comrade Bender 22 December 2015 15: 23 New
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            Hey bro!
            As soon as the rulers begin to consider the people "plebs", they automatically take themselves beyond the very line, after which the revolution begins with rivers of blood and devastation. And this does not depend on whether the people consider themselves to be such or not.
        2. skullcap
          22 December 2015 20: 15 New
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          [quote = Comrade Bender] what does it mean: "slaves have destroyed their states"? Or do gentlemen pour less blood and destroy states? Are you a supporter of separating people into slaves and gentlemen? To which of the categories, in this case, would you like to attribute yourself? [/ Quote]
          [/ Quote]

          For some reason, it seems that you deliberately missed the word "ZAMORSKAYA" before the word "slaves".
          I think: in order to transfer the discussion from interstate, civilizational contradictions - mental and value contradictions - to the intrastate level and, thereby, confuse readers. On subjects seeking to distinguish themselves from the people, set out in the postscript. Or did you not read it?
          There is also the answer to your last question.
          Having read to the end, you should understand that I am precisely against such a division. And slaves in nature everywhere, including in our country, can and often are organisms that consider themselves masters.
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 22 December 2015 21: 41 New
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          Comrade Bender

          And you do not see the property difference between serfs and gentlemen?

          A proper state does not do property equality. But does legal equality.

          The author did not tell you about his ideas, but about the importance of the state.

          Are you flood?
      4. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 22 December 2015 12: 52 New
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        Quote: milann
        But the author is undoubtedly right "where the lackeys destroyed their states, we observe the same picture: the people are paying with ruin and blood."

        You and the author are apparently from former masters and regret the loss of power over the oppressed people.
        And your memory is short, everything is distorted. The Bolsheviks came to power in an almost peaceful way, and even there was no battle on Palace Square. But the evil nobility and the liberal contra immediately began to organize armed rebellions and uprisings. They began to hang and shoot representatives of the Bolsheviks. It’s you gentlemen bloodsucking landowners, nobles, rich and corrupt liberals began the destruction of Russia, began a civil war. It is you who did not want to peacefully submit to the new government.
        By the way, the Communists in our time did not begin to revolt and rebellion in order to overthrow this new government of the oligarchs and exploiters. So these are YOU bloodsuckers - killers of many millions of people.
        1. Temples
          Temples 22 December 2015 14: 05 New
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          Yes to the count of all !!!
          All the "noble evil and liberal counter", "gentlemen of the bloodsucking landowners, nobles, wealthy and corrupt liberals !!! laughing
          Then grunt valerianochki to calm down!
          And life was a success!

          Aleksey_K, of course I'm joking.
          But the revolution is not arranged by the workers and workers of the village.
          And the goal of any revolution is the destruction of the country.
          1. Comrade Bender
            Comrade Bender 22 December 2015 15: 30 New
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            Those. revolutions are organized without the participation of rural workers and workers, but not with a large (or large) group of conspiratorial intellectuals? There was such an example in December 1825, with which everyone ended at school. So, the wide participation of the masses does not need to be deduced from revolutionary events. Unless, of course, you think the people are gray and dumb biomass.
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 22 December 2015 15: 37 New
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            Quote: Temples
            But the revolution is not arranged by the workers and workers of the village.
            And the goal of any revolution is the destruction of the country.

            I do not agree with the goals of the revolution. A revolution is a violent or peaceful seizure of power by those who cannot obtain that power from those in power by simply transferring power. Even Nicholas II did not transfer power to the liberal bourgeoisie, he renounced power in favor of his brother, but he also did not want to bear the heavy burden of power. In fact, there was a peaceful transfer of power from the hands of the monarchy to the self-proclaimed hands of the interim government.
            And then it began! The inability to rule the country, and even bearing defeat in the fields of the 1 World War II, led to the non-peaceful seizure of power by the Bolsheviks. But this can not be called the desire of Lenin to the collapse of Russia. Rather, the opposite. The USSR was formed, defended all of Central Asia, the Far East. Poland, for example, was lost by the tsar in 1916, and Finland has been an independent state since December 6 of December 1917, what could Lenin have done if he did not have his army in December 1917. Western Ukraine had to be surrendered in order to stop the German advance.
            There was no collapse of Russia during the Bolshevik revolution, otherwise Russia under Lenin would be within the same province around Petrograd. Even all about. The Japanese could not recapture Sakhalin, although we gave part of Manchuria.
            The goal of any revolution is to seize power. An example is Ukraine, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cuba, China and many more countries in the world. Something I do not recall the collapse and disappearance of these states.
          3. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 December 2015 00: 09 New
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            Quote: Temples
            And the goal of any revolution is the destruction of the country.
            * And since the fundamental question of any revolution is the question of power ... * (V.I. Ulyanov * Lenin *).
            Exactly a question of power.
        2. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 22 December 2015 15: 13 New
          +1
          judging by the last paragraph, the author has settled down quite well now, since the people and not the top are frightened by the consequences of the Maidan:) - they got the future
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 22 December 2015 21: 45 New
            +2
            Leshy74

            Did you read?

            Where is the author scary? The author gives examples of the consequences of the destruction of the state.

            You have lost all common sense here.
        3. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 22 December 2015 17: 19 New
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          Quote: Алексей_К
          By the way, the communists nowadays did not rebel and rebellion in order to overthrow this new power of the oligarchs and exploiters.

          They didn’t. They chose to crap en masse in 1991, and surrender their homeland to the Americans.
          But what about the promised communism, the ideas of Lenin, Marx, Engels - no? Only Coca-Cola and a bare ass.

          Zyuganov in 1996 received the majority of the vote. He had every chance to bring the Communists to power, peacefully, without rebellion. But he preferred to crap, and to vote for Yeltsin.

          Example - Ukraine, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cuba

          You have listed countries that, during their revolutions, are hopelessly behind in their development. Like Russia at one time. While you are raving and spending energy and money on revolution, the enemy is building his country.

          China is more likely an exception to the rule.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 22 December 2015 21: 48 New
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            Vladislav

            Before blaming the communists, also remember their merits.

            Since the USSR was created under their leadership, the country survived the war. And they built the state that has still left you with scientific and industrial potential.

            So, the Communists could not save the country. Since their head betrayed.

            Now it's your turn to build a state that would be independent of ideology.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 22 December 2015 23: 53 New
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              Quote: gladcu2
              Vladislav

              Before blaming the communists, also remember their merits.

              Yes, no, well ..... certainly in your words there is a huge logic.
              The fact that I answered this citizen (Alexei K) I partly succumbed to emotions. Due to the fact that this citizen does not consider for people, except for the Communists, there can be himself.

              He does not see the big picture. The fact that the Civil War is the tragedy of one Great people. Where brother went to brother. And in his understanding there were no brothers (sisters, children, wives, husbands) there were communists and the rest of the population of Russia, which he did not consider people to be.

              And the fact that the Communists, who at the beginning of the 20th century - assumed responsibility for the people, crap at the end of the 20th century, this citizen does not want to recognize. Since he believes that Yeltsin is to blame for everything - it’s he who took power from corrupt the communists.
              By the way the Communists in our time did not begin to rebel and rebellion in order to overthrow this new power of the oligarchs and exploiters.

              What does he say that the Communists completely voluntarily bare their ass to the Americans. He says that the Communists didn’t even resist sales (neither to the oligarchs, nor to the exploiters - it was decided to give up the voluntary power, yeah). Such a communist patriot. And why am I not surprised that the USSR collapsed. Probably in the party of such comrades there was a majority at that time.

              But the Communists were finally not within. And in general they are all angels. (Charlie's Angels)
        4. skullcap
          22 December 2015 20: 21 New
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          Quote: Алексей_К
          You and the author are apparently from former masters and regret the loss of power over the oppressed people.

          Before you pour out the indignation and brand the verb, take the trouble to read the article.
    2. sa-zz
      sa-zz 22 December 2015 12: 33 New
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      Quote: 1976AG
      But should the state love its people?

      Well, if this is not a rhetorical question then - Officials are servants of the People.
      I don’t know about love, but to serve each other for the good of both - for sure!
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 22 December 2015 12: 38 New
        +3
        Well, how do our officials serve the people? Will you start telling me or will I tell you?
    3. 2s1122
      2s1122 22 December 2015 12: 33 New
      +1
      This state is the people, the question is who and why is starting to stir up water in the state?
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 22 December 2015 12: 37 New
        +6
        Not true - the state is a machine of organization and coercion.
        1. 2s1122
          2s1122 22 December 2015 13: 05 New
          +2
          Like this car live in some other
        2. 79807420129
          79807420129 22 December 2015 13: 33 New
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          Quote: KBR109
          Not true - the state is a machine of organization and coercion.

          During perestroika, with many similar words, the collapse or the Soviet Union, now what will Russia fall apart?
          1. 2s1122
            2s1122 22 December 2015 14: 08 New
            +3
            So, it was the collapse of the state in the person of the former USSR that happened as a result of the fact that they were not bothered by that state.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 22 December 2015 21: 56 New
            +2
            798074

            Do not blame Russia. It only needs to be strengthened. Sometimes repair the state machine. But GDP does that. So the state is under supervision.
      2. SALLAK
        SALLAK 22 December 2015 12: 50 New
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        The state is the people ???? You my friend did not fall from the moon ??? This is what people raise their own taxes ??? For all prices too ??? And he thanks the security officials for the fact that they are pressing him ??? All bullying in the state people create for themselves ??? We are a nation of sadmazahists ????
        1. 2s1122
          2s1122 22 December 2015 13: 02 New
          +2
          My dear, in order to maintain the state and pay taxes that go into retirement, you have given the medics so. By the way about the security forces, we all dislike them, but when bandits put you on cancer, we call the police or the police who are comfortable.
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 22 December 2015 13: 20 New
            +3
            but when the bandits put you on cancer, then we call the police or police, as it suits you.

            and when the state puts the whole nation in the same position, is it like - love your homeland, son? so do not mix the state and the Fatherland! or, speaking in your own way, what’s going on now is called the political masturbation of the state, in order to give pleasure without the participation of the people! And it’s not necessary for everyone who is dissatisfied with what is going on to be written down as enemies in our economy, it’s a sign of the near mind and sobriety of thinking ... But actually now I’ll more often want to say - it’s a shame for the State (s) and for those who are trying at least somehow to survive and change something for the better ...
            1. 2s1122
              2s1122 22 December 2015 14: 32 New
              +1
              It’s not the state that puts us in a pose, but officials. I know for myself (tax, women, etc., etc.). Our country is in our state and it is inseparable, and I will protect everyone who is dissatisfied with the economic situation of the enemies.
              And it’s a shame for the Power, because there are those who are not opposed to fucking the people and the state
          2. KBR109
            KBR109 22 December 2015 13: 22 New
            +1
            The definition of the state is read in the history textbook for the fifth grade. And then come and talk.
            1. 2s1122
              2s1122 22 December 2015 15: 10 New
              +1
              History is a science based on assumptions, temboley in textbooks for fifth grade.
              1. SALLAK
                SALLAK 22 December 2015 15: 37 New
                +1
                The history is to some extent based on unverified data, but the definition of what the state is and statehood does not exactly refer to assumptions ... So there’s no need to blow it in your ears ... And as for officials who essentially represent the state. you bent the device at all ... What do you think the state is ??
                1. 2s1122
                  2s1122 22 December 2015 15: 48 New
                  0
                  Well then, in short, tell me what the state is.
                2. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 22 December 2015 22: 01 New
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                  SALLAK

                  An official may use the state for his own selfish purposes.

                  This only speaks of the weakness of the state.

                  And it means it is necessary to raise statehood.
          3. SALLAK
            SALLAK 22 December 2015 13: 34 New
            0
            Yes, you’re a storyteller when bandits make you call the police in vain ... almost always they work in tandem ... And I haven’t heard about taxes of a more naive interpretation ... Penny pensions, and about medicine ... Ha...
          4. Platonich
            Platonich 22 December 2015 13: 48 New
            0
            Oh dear friend! Learn Russian!
            1. SALLAK
              SALLAK 22 December 2015 15: 32 New
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              Yes man, if of course man ... if you want to talk about Russian or teach someone, so go teach ... and so that you don’t have to insert your five copecks on the topic, I can recommend going through the forest ... all the best.
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 22 December 2015 13: 28 New
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          Quote: SALLAK
          The state is the people ???? You my friend did not fall from the moon ??? This is what people raise their own taxes ??? For all prices too ??? And he thanks the security officials for the fact that they are pressing him ??? All bullying in the state people create for themselves ??? We are a nation of sadmazahists ????

          According to the classical definition of Lenin: "The state is a machine for oppressing one class by another, a machine to keep other subordinate classes in obedience to one class." The state is an instrument of violence ...
          ... and there is nothing to be done about it as long as classes and class society exist! And we don’t foresee another one on our separate planet ... Unless the classes disappear with the states (for example, as a result of a successful victorious nuclear war ...)
        3. skullcap
          22 December 2015 20: 33 New
          0
          Quote: SALLAK
          The state is the people ???? You are my friend did not fall from the moon ??? This is what the people themselves raise taxes ???

          In 1612, the people at the call of a citizen Minin, in order to save the state (then: oh! What a ruined one), he himself appointed a tax: to give everything!
          The people were wiser then, and because our state was saved, our Fatherland is still alive.
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      3. veksha50
        veksha50 22 December 2015 13: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: 2s1122
        This state is the people,



        Um ... far from it, even very far ... Take any textbook on political economy (not necessarily Soviet or Russian, you can also use Western ones, they are only slightly different), read the works of philosophers that affect the structure and goals of the state and society ( people) ...

        This is where some of the nuances that the demagogues skillfully operate from boltology, democracy and liberalism are hiding ...

        PS Just for yourself - figure out what a state, country, people, society is, and much will become clear ... Including the game of political prostitute state teachers in the minds and nerves of the people ...

        PPS Only humanity has not yet come up with any other form than the state, so that the nations will not just survive, but develop ... There will be no state - there will be no nation, because they will simply be enslaved, turned into colony (and this is at best) ...

        And to scold or not scold the state ... It seems to me that in any country the state apparatus has something to scold, that the people everywhere do ... There is no ideal state apparatus, because there are the same people who are subject to all human dignities and disadvantages ...
        1. 2s1122
          2s1122 22 December 2015 15: 00 New
          0
          And the textbook on political economics says how to create a state without a people?
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 22 December 2015 18: 25 New
            -1
            Quote: 2s1122
            And the textbook on political economics says how to create a state without a people?



            Hmm ... read my posts carefully - and this one, and the first one, and you yourself will answer ... Even no textbook is needed ...
          2. skullcap
            22 December 2015 20: 37 New
            0
            a state is a form of (itself) an organization of a people (nations).
    4. lelikas
      lelikas 22 December 2015 12: 33 New
      +8
      That's honest - I re-read it twice, the author asks one question, answers another, mixes the Chinese with the Bolsheviks in a bunch and finishes with Maidan ....
      Somewhere in the back of my mind I understand what he wanted to say, but not to the end.
      1. fraer
        fraer 22 December 2015 13: 11 New
        +1
        Everywhere where overseas slaves destroyed their states, we observe the same picture: the people are paying with ruin and blood.
        Well, this phrase is beyond my comprehension. what
        Perhaps this is the author’s only words.
        The rest of the others. Perhaps not one what
    5. shooter18
      shooter18 22 December 2015 12: 40 New
      -1
      Power is a "scourge" for the people
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 22 December 2015 13: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: shooter18
        Power is a "scourge" for the people

        ... and anarchy is the mother of order!
        ... Kropotkin in our cell is boiling up? ...
    6. dvina71
      dvina71 22 December 2015 12: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: 1976AG
      But should the state love its people?

      Love is not the criterion that is appropriate in this context.
      The state is an institution of infringement. It controls the laws., And until some time and issued them. So that the state should not be loved, but understood. As long as the actions of the government are clear to the population, everything is fine. As soon as government agencies begin to take actions a) incomprehensible and even more so b) infringing on the interests of the population, beyond reason, dissatisfaction begins to ripen .. and then .. August 1991, maidan ..
      So the state should not love its wards, but understand their needs and concerns.
    7. SALLAK
      SALLAK 22 December 2015 12: 46 New
      +3
      The state, in principle, cannot love; ideally, the state apparatus should serve the benefit of the majority, that is, the people, but in fact units rule. A punishing system has been created to control cattle ... Organized show programs to occupy the minds of the people and distract from real problems ... Education has turned into the line that ..., Democracy, it’s even disgusting to pronounce this word, which is the essence of the biggest swindle of people .. .
    8. Leviton
      Leviton 22 December 2015 12: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: 1976AG
      But should the state love its people?

      In the face of "servants of the people"? They are not Chinese, they earn money there .....
    9. guzik007
      guzik007 22 December 2015 12: 53 New
      +1
      But should the state love its people?
      -----------------------------------------------
      Someone of our greats is credited with: the people, from the word "people", many dead? Women still give birth.
      Here is the answer to your question.
    10. Sinister
      Sinister 22 December 2015 13: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: 1976AG
      But should the state love its people?

      And she loves and in all poses with sadomaso elements wassat
    11. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 22 December 2015 16: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: 1976AG
      But should the state love its people?


      Good question, Alexei, but the classics say that the state a priori cannot love its people because it is a "coercive apparatus."
      Judging by the fact that most of the remaining "postulates" of Marx continue to operate successfully in the modern world, why should we deny the above.
      Something like that, colleague, I think. It does not love us. yes
    12. starshina78
      starshina78 22 December 2015 17: 49 New
      +1
      The state is not obliged to love its citizens, but it is obliged to comply with the Constitution. But it just does not partially fulfill it. The country is the personification of the native corner where he was born, grew up, ran barefoot on the grass, where he fell in love for the first time, studied, married, with children, grandchildren, and so on. But the state - these are officials to whom you cannot drive up on a tattered mare; it is a dead end if you need something from him (free medicine, benefits, compensation, etc.); this principle is everything from you, but nothing from him, and many more - there are many examples of state hypocrisy, lies, and maybe even some hatred of the population (get in the way!).
    13. gladcu2
      gladcu2 22 December 2015 21: 17 New
      +1
      1976AG

      The state should not have emotions. This is a soulless mechanism that creates a society for its protection and development.
  2. KBR109
    KBR109 22 December 2015 12: 22 New
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    Probably only the “Ukrainian picture” is holding people now. Goat and thieves in our country - OPEN TEXT. External gloss and politics are on top. The rest is simply thrown out as unnecessary. The guarantor laughs at the Ukrainians - of the 40 million worthy they could not pick up. And why do we have the same deck shuffled for twenty years? Of the 145 million, too, everything can not be found?
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 22 December 2015 12: 45 New
      +4
      That is the same among the Americans for about 200 years, and the war in the United States was just a civil war. And Russia offers us to fight every 50-75 years.
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 22 December 2015 12: 23 New
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    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/874/bxbc500.png

    The best words about our homeland - Russia than our genius said - Alexander
    Sergeyevich Pushkin, and not to find ... !!!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 22 December 2015 13: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: sever.56

      The best words about our homeland - Russia than our genius said - Alexander
      Sergeyevich Pushkin, and not to find ... !!!

      Just do not forget that A.S. Pushkin was a nobleman and landowner and did not refuse these rights. I have always been amused, even from school, by such freethinkers who live on the hump of their serfs (slaves). L.N. Tolstoy (As a mirror of the Russian revolution) also did not abandon the county and his estates too.
      1. Platonich
        Platonich 22 December 2015 13: 54 New
        +4
        My dear! If everyone were peasants and workers, then we would have neither science, nor art, nothing would have happened. It was just that they had no time to write and draw. They have their own destiny in the state!
  4. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 22 December 2015 12: 24 New
    +9
    I love my homeland.
    But the state (note with a small letter) is not very, because it does not like me somehow. And it does not like me quite a while ...
    And I "Behind" State. Just as it seems to me, it still collapsed in our time, when I adored the Soviet Union, and it turned into state.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 December 2015 12: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir
      But the state (note with a small letter) is not very because it somehow does not like me.

      has means love! yes laughing hi
    2. 2s1122
      2s1122 22 December 2015 12: 53 New
      +4
      We are all somewhat dissatisfied with the state, here is an example. The recent strike of long-distance truckers, everyone wants to drive on normal roads like in Europe, but someone doesn’t want to pay, and at the same time everyone blames the state. And this is just the smallest of the big picture.
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 22 December 2015 13: 09 New
      +8
      Quote: Vladimir
      I love my homeland.
      And the state (note with a small letter) is not very


      When a state needs any sacrifice from its citizens, it begins to call itself the homeland.
      1. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 22 December 2015 13: 30 New
        +1
        Я Homeland I call Homeland regardless of desires and aspirations state (again with a small letter).
    4. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 22 December 2015 13: 29 New
      +1
      I love my homeland.
      But the state (note with a small letter) is not very, because it does not like me somehow.


      Yes, it seems to you that the state does not love you! Everything is relative - if you look from the point of view of a maniac-rapist, he really loves his victim, moreover, he can "love" him repeatedly, and the victim is offended - they don't love her, they take him by force! Doesn’t resemble anything? Like in an old joke
      Professor at the lecture: "If you do not love my subject, I will love you very, very strongly on the exam! And repeatedly!"
      One gets the impression that every year our state loves us more and more, and more and more in a perverted form hi
    5. Heritologist
      Heritologist 22 December 2015 13: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir
      I love my homeland.

      And what is the homeland?
      Let's try to look a little differently.
      For example, I was born and raised to a conscious age in the USSR, in one Central Asian republic (now independent).
      What is the homeland for me, what is it like? State which is not?
      People of the older generation are even harder. Everything that they believed in, what they lived on, turned out to be destroyed overnight. There is confusion and not understanding, and there were cranks (in the letter M) who said that they had been living wrong all this time.
      So what is the Motherland and love for it, for people suddenly found themselves without it.
    6. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 22 December 2015 13: 37 New
      0
      It is a state, probably, and should not love you, me, everyone. It should help and not ...... be on guard of its citizen, not only in the military sense, humanitarian, social, life. I’m sure of you as well, I have someone to love Ayfonchik, I really do not like him angry
  5. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 22 December 2015 12: 26 New
    +7
    "" Everywhere where overseas slaves destroyed their states, we observe the same picture: people are paying with ruin and blood "" - The worst thing is that the patriotism of the Russian people is used in underhanded affair, under severe interviews about successful bombing they stupidly crush any domestic economic progress. And the people live not only from the TV, but also from wealth in the family.
    1. Gor-1974
      Gor-1974 22 December 2015 12: 49 New
      +2
      I want to supplement this koment- The author of the article PS addresses- "Do not run to the Maidan." I think everyone already has Maidan associated with US politics. Maidan is to be the puppeteer of America's puppeteer.
  6. venaya
    venaya 22 December 2015 12: 26 New
    +3
    Among us, unfortunately, there are many not quite normal people. Who sincerely believe that they are the smartest in the world, and the anchovies surrounding them are simply obliged to give them the opportunity to rearrange the world at their discretion

    Indeed, sometimes even here in the comments the idea is pushed that: “I love my country, but I hate our state” - and it is extremely difficult to deal with this because of the simple effect of the substitution of concepts. In this sense, the Confucian scheme: “The state is a priority value for every person” could help us, only the stamps driven by someone really, really hinder it.
  7. L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 22 December 2015 12: 29 New
    +9
    It would be nice to ask this question more often to our government.
  8. Riv
    Riv 22 December 2015 12: 29 New
    +3
    The author must be leased to the Chinese. About fifty years. Let him learn to love his homeland.
  9. Igor39
    Igor39 22 December 2015 12: 29 New
    0
    "PS But let's not forget that among us, unfortunately, there are many not quite normal people. Those who sincerely believe that they are the smartest in the world, and the anchovies surrounding them are simply obliged to give them the opportunity to rebuild the world at their discretion. According to which the existing world is imperfect and must be completely destroyed. And then, according to their plans (if the anchovies can only match the plans of the elite), a new world will be built, perfect, in which, by the way, there should be no place for all wretched anchovies. "

    Is this an author to himself or something?
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 December 2015 12: 30 New
    +4
    I liked the article and agree with the author in many ways.
    “I love my country, but I hate our state”

    Probably still some part of these people under the word state suggests official.
    Therefore, I agree that
    any state made up of concrete imperfect people will also be imperfect

    and I’ll add cunning, mercantile, corrupt, for whom the motherland is where they pay more and are fed plentifully.
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      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 22 December 2015 13: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        in general, water is a fairy tale, not a business ..


        Nikolay! I envy you. There will be enough water in Baikal for a long time. It is only a pity that without the Chinese we ourselves could not have guessed.
        To diversify your business I give a commercial idea. Stock up snow before the onset of NG. Huge demand is expected next year.

        Well, but seriously, I'm glad that pos. The otdrino will "rise" in the water. I would love to try bottled Baikal water.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 14: 14 New
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          Quote: Polite Moose
          I would love to try bottled Baikal water.

          Yes, you know water as water, why not try it .. laughing
          The Koreans put the second plant in the upper Baikal Substation ..
          By the way - in our city you can drink water from a tap calmly, almost no one uses bottled water, we only use coolers and nature.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 22 December 2015 14: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            By the way - in our city you can drink water from a tap calmly, almost no one uses bottled water, we only use coolers and nature.


            We also have excellent water in taps. And the tastiest water is supplied to the system on January 1st. Every year.
    2. corn
      corn 22 December 2015 12: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Burmeister
      You can not like the Jewish faces,

      Site not mistaken? By the way, and those who put the pros.
      There is some time to delete this comment yourself. At the same time, look at your name in the profile and you can also get unflattering words about your nationality. One of the minuses is mine.
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 22 December 2015 23: 03 New
      +1
      Burmistrov

      You confuse the concepts of Homeland and State.

      These are two different things. But the homeland will be safe under the protection of the state.

      And the Jewish faces are from the imperfection of the state. Since there is no limit to perfection.

      No matter how you paint your moped, the kickstarter will break.

      So the state, is created on the basis of ideology, and collapses with the help of ideologies.
  12. Baloo
    Baloo 22 December 2015 12: 31 New
    +9
    The state is a priority value for every person

    I support, this is not subject to doubt or discussion such as "why" and "why." Another thing is the "servant of the people." I pay them a salary from my taxes, and they just parasitize. What other "golden parachutes" to the manager who ruined production? It must be judged and confiscated "that acquired overwork." The thief sawed off from the state budget and fled, so we must work to return the stolen goods. I'd rather smoke for work. Very sensitive crying A theme for any state employee. hi
  13. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 22 December 2015 12: 31 New
    +4
    We must love our homeland and the state is -
    STATE
    Neuter gender
    The political organization of the ruling class of the country, headed by the government and its bodies, which have the task of protecting the existing order and suppressing class opponents, as well as the country itself with such a political organization.

    Now insert personalities there and tell yourself if you like it ..
  14. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 22 December 2015 12: 32 New
    0
    Love must be mutual.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 22 December 2015 13: 35 New
      0
      Love must be mutual.

      I agree completely, only we have another case unfortunately. He spoke more than once, though about entrepreneurs - we don’t need to love us, we will die at the foreplay ....
  15. iouris
    iouris 22 December 2015 12: 36 New
    +1
    Strange statement of the question. Who are these "we"? Are there really no antagonistic contradictions in our society?
    In general, one must understand that "in the developed countries of the West" taxpayers do not like the state and government officials, they always suspect them of stealing money from the budget.
    Express "love" is necessary only in a totalitarian state (just in case).
  16. Sanya Rus
    Sanya Rus 22 December 2015 12: 41 New
    +2
    To love the Fatherland and Serve him Faithfully and True, the rulers come and go, and Russia stands and will stand forever, this is the main point ...
  17. Jackking
    Jackking 22 December 2015 12: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: KBR109
    Probably only the “Ukrainian picture” is holding people now. Goat and thieves in our country - OPEN TEXT. External gloss and politics are on top. The rest is simply thrown out as unnecessary. The guarantor laughs at the Ukrainians - of the 40 million worthy they could not pick up. And why do we have the same deck shuffled for twenty years? Of the 145 million, too, everything can not be found?

    One gets the feeling that the government and the president are the outside for the people, and the main actions twirl unknown puppeteers behind an impenetrable screen.
  18. raid14
    raid14 22 December 2015 12: 44 New
    +2
    The state and the motherland are different concepts for us. The homeland is where it was born, from the word Rod, communication with parents and ancestors at the gene level.
    The state as a territory of residence is essentially a soulless machine with its laws and rules of behavior in society.
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    1. KBR109
      KBR109 22 December 2015 13: 03 New
      +1
      Went to ... a merchant-expeller. I went through three wars for the Motherland, but what did you do for it? fool Or are you from the St. Petersburg clan too? wink
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  20. milann
    milann 22 December 2015 12: 48 New
    0

    We listen and watch.
  21. Modest
    Modest 22 December 2015 12: 53 New
    0
    Quote: venaya
    Among us, unfortunately, there are many not quite normal people. Who sincerely believe that they are the smartest in the world, and the anchovies surrounding them are simply obliged to give them the opportunity to rearrange the world at their discretion

    Indeed, sometimes even here in the comments the idea is pushed that: “I love my country, but I hate our state” - and it is extremely difficult to deal with this because of the simple effect of the substitution of concepts. In this sense, the Confucian scheme: “The state is a priority value for every person” could help us, only the stamps driven by someone really, really hinder it.

    “I love my country, but I hate our state” from rap this shkololo picked up and carried
    but for any traitor a very convenient position, Vlasov seems to me and others like him also said
  22. Lumumba
    Lumumba 22 December 2015 12: 54 New
    +1
    I have repeatedly explained why someone loves their country, but does not like the state.

    In short: There are people who believe, but there are people who are simply religious. And the difference between homeland and state is the same as that between faith and religion.
  23. individual
    individual 22 December 2015 12: 54 New
    0
    "Needed where was born".
    And cosmopolitans - in a big sense, do not really need anyone.
  24. GUKTU
    GUKTU 22 December 2015 12: 55 New
    +2
    where overseas slaves destroyed their states

    I didn’t understand ... The author equates us all to slaves, while hiding behind high-sounding expressions? It seemed that we were also lackeys, but not overseas ... confused laughing
  25. Begemot
    Begemot 22 December 2015 13: 00 New
    +3
    "The state does not exist to make the lives of its citizens a paradise, but to ensure that it does not turn into hell."
    I don’t remember which famous person said that. Note that for officials and rulers, paradise is also not provided, but in our country, it seems, they do not know this, we have a state for the sake of providing material support for paradise for officials. I can give examples from the life of the ruling class until morning. Therefore, it is not necessary to put the homeland and the state, especially the Russian one, on the same level. The homeland is a yard, a house, a forest, a river, songs, friends, relatives, people on the street, relatives and loved ones, and the state - very unpleasant, indifferent, swaggering, thieving faces, holding muzzle and tyrants - love them? - fire !!
  26. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 22 December 2015 13: 05 New
    +1
    We must love our homeland! This is a fact! The authorities and officials are unlikely. Do not like the authorities? Go to the polls. We forget that the president and prime minister are first a position, a function ... and then an individual. And this function should work according to the law , like a clock. Whoever is in this position. If the country requires constant "manual" control, then the mechanism stupidly does not work ..
    Next year’s elections. And please, choose who you want. So you don’t have anyone to blame. Moreover, ignoring the elections is also a choice. Even if you are not involved in politics, politics is still yours.
  27. askort154
    askort154 22 December 2015 13: 06 New
    0
    It would be interesting to look at Russia and its population, giving it the opportunity to live 300 years without war and revolution!
  28. guzik007
    guzik007 22 December 2015 13: 06 New
    0
    for decades, up to 6 million abortions per year were performed in Russia.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    And if not? Imagine for a second that these poor children would live in our meager social state. How could it not sound blasphemous? We would now have millions of unsettled, illiterate young citizens, without any prospects for the future, because this state would not be able to give them ANYTHING, for this state, in half, is coping with its social obligations and with the existing population.
    Man, first of all, a social animal, therefore, obeys, like any other species, the laws of nature. Why, once every 10 years, lemmings in the tundra suddenly breed with unprecedented power? smart scientists explain to us that this is connected with a future good harvest. I wonder where the lemmings suddenly found out. What crop awaits them in a month, fucking in minks?: =) The laws of nature governing large populations have not yet been explained. Therefore, the human population is unconsciously controlled by these same laws. There will be prospects for a socially oriented state, and there will be a population explosion.
  29. cap
    cap 22 December 2015 13: 10 New
    +2
    "Give a man what he needs - and he will want comfort. Provide him with comfort - he will strive for luxury. Show him luxury - he will begin to sigh for the exquisite. Let him receive the exquisite - and he will crave frenzy. Give him whatever he desires - and he will complain that he was deceived and that he received not at all what he wanted, "Hemingway wrote.
    "I live in a great country in which a great nation lives, able to overcome any virus from the outside and emerge victorious from any war."

    "A difficult economic situation as a check on the lice of a society"
    Author Alexej (article "Military Review" 22.12.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX).

    Decent and correct answer to the author on a rhetorical question "Are there prophets in their own country"
    hi
  30. Dimachrus
    Dimachrus 22 December 2015 13: 14 New
    +1
    I love my homeland but I hate the state - the thesis is not only of individual Russians, most of the majority of the country’s housekeepers think the same way. Another interesting thing is - what further thoughts are there with this installation? Will a good uncle come and put things in order in the state? The state does not like me, so I have the right to deceive / rob it? But do not change the place of residence? Or what other options?
    1. Begemot
      Begemot 22 December 2015 14: 40 New
      0
      There are options! To teach as many people as possible to defend their interests and force the state in the person of its officials to work according to the law for the benefit of the people. Then there will be complete mutual love (I don’t know about the officials, I guess they will probably hate the people as they do now, and even more).
  31. yuriy55
    yuriy55 22 December 2015 13: 14 New
    +2
    Do we need to love our state?


    What is rhetoric here, and what statement can there be? If the state faithfully performs its functions, we will be satisfied his work and love their parents and children.

    The state is an instrument with which the people create the legislative order in the country. Yes, I love potatoes, and to dig it up, I just take a good shovel ... wink
  32. tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 22 December 2015 13: 25 New
    +2
    As V.S. Vysotsky once said in an interview with the foreign press, "I have complaints about my state, but I will not discuss this with you."
  33. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 22 December 2015 13: 30 New
    +5
    To love the state, you have to be proud of it!
    Over the past 40 years, the state has not taken a single step for this, nor one action or movement!
    So, I will love the Motherland and the Russian Land, and the venal ghouls who ditched the Empire and still dancing on it, still powerful, remnants, love yourself!
  34. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 22 December 2015 13: 32 New
    +2
    The author touched on a sore subject for our country.
    If we compare the country with a tree, then in this tree only in the last century the roots were cut three times, but the third blow was the hardest. The answer to the question "will the tree stand?" arising in the 90s, is still uncertain.
    The top is pulling the country towards integration, as a result of which the country is on the verge of survival. Any connection that arose during the integration process, is used by our Western partners to weaken the country, breaks off at any time when it is beneficial for them, and it will always be. The West is only interested in a supplier of cheap raw materials, for which they hang noodles about democratization on the Russians ears, just like the fox Alice in a fairy tale urged to bury Pinocchio's coin. But what matters to the interests of the state to our near-power business circles, if from financial and raw material flows going strictly beyond the borders of the country they become super-rich.
    Why was the country able to defeat fascism? Crossing the borders of the USSR, Hitler counted only on victory, and he had reason to think so - the first months of the war showed their military advantage. The victory of the USSR was forged in the rear — the collective labor of the people to ensure the front — that’s what the enemy did not expect. What do we have today? All the profits of working industries add up to the personal pockets of a handful of individuals, not allowing the development of production. Finances are withdrawn from the country legally, semi-illegally, illegally. There are no chances to mobilize the economy. But in order for the people of the country to be able to live in peace, we need a strong army and a strong economy, such that no one would even dare even think about causing damage to the country, realizing that it is guaranteed to receive such a blow that it cannot recover. Can we become such a country? Where does the liberal economy lead the country? I personally find it unpleasant when the state finances gas export companies, and future consumers refuse. This is no longer a market, this footman the lady on the tray brings lunch, which knocks the tray out and gives the serf to the face, and the servant wipes and drags the new tray — you must not leave the lady hungry. With this attitude to doing business, no one will respect us. For a long time it is necessary to think, is Russia a sovereign country or a master footman?
  35. Kolka82
    Kolka82 22 December 2015 13: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: 2s1122
    We are all somewhat dissatisfied with the state, here is an example. The recent strike of long-distance truckers, everyone wants to drive on normal roads like in Europe, but someone doesn’t want to pay, and at the same time everyone blames the state. And this is just the smallest of the big picture.

    Well, yes, then we paid a double tax (included in the price of fuel + road), and now it will be triple, whence it follows that we will now go on super-ultra-mega-autobahns ...
    1. kazachyok69
      kazachyok69 22 December 2015 14: 07 New
      +3
      then we paid double tax

      At us, officially, no one denies that something about 50% in taxes is withheld from the employee ... 31% in the States ...
      You mean gasoline ... Now they will raise electricity by 11% ... will be in the region of 4 rubles of kW ... + "on the network" The government will force everyone to pay ..
      We have Absurdity around ... in China they sell electric energy at 1.5 r .. Is this wholesale? Our wholesale costs less in the country, but how much do we pay? The content of the networks is not in the tariff?
  36. kazachyok69
    kazachyok69 22 December 2015 14: 04 New
    +1
    And then the question arises: do we need a democracy that is worse than fascism?

    Fascism - in fact, in the German version, Nazism is a racial theory .... Do you compare THIS with "democracy"?
    Where is democracy? Power is super rich - tens of millions are super poor ....
    By the way - what would you like specifically? What do we have now? Putin has been with the Government for 15 years ... Will you say that someone is bothering him? Who! s?
  37. fa2998
    fa2998 22 December 2015 14: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: 2s1122
    This state is the people, the question is who and why is starting to stir up water in the state?

    Maybe in Belarus this is so with us. It’s different with us. We have a LOT of officials at the trough, “our” businessmen, and law enforcement agencies guarding them. And the people live in a different dimension. It seems like a separate thing!
    There are 2 articles here, this one (about love for the Motherland), and here they again "took" the official for bribes (FROM AUDIT MO) -I will say, I LOVE HOMELAND, BUT SUCH A STATE-I HATE! yes hi
  38. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 22 December 2015 14: 43 New
    +3
    And the most cunning and vile, as a rule, survive in their mass.

    Here it is - the truth of life.
  39. sw6513
    sw6513 22 December 2015 15: 05 New
    +1
    I love my homeland very much and in which case I’ll go voluntarily to defend it. But with the birth rate, it’s true that we are all sad, many are afraid to give birth because they are not able to raise it financially.
  40. Makk
    Makk 22 December 2015 16: 12 New
    0
    Do we love ourselves?
  41. Governor
    Governor 22 December 2015 16: 27 New
    -1
    So how does the author consider the creation of the USSR a failure? And does the author like modern Rasseyushka? Does the author want to evolve when this is impossible? Well, everything is clear. So sign up: bourgeois and Putin fan.
  42. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 22 December 2015 16: 41 New
    +1
    Suppose a wife walks, has a family on the side, pulls everything from home, thumps, and the children look like neighbors. Should her husband love her, because when they signed to the registry office, she promised that nothing would happen, but would be exactly the opposite?
  43. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 22 December 2015 16: 47 New
    +2
    The less democracy, the more things, the better the work, because under normal power no dishonest person, people can not deceive. And democracy is just a social system. allowing you to steal legally, they plant those who grab NOT FOR OWN RANGE. Democracy - and a market economy - are twins, brothers. Last year, a crisis erupted in our country, this forced our state to adopt an anti-crisis plan, and thereby somewhat limit the market element in industrial construction. And what? Recently, a list of plants put into operation this year appeared in the VO. It turned out that this year in Russia a new production arose on average every 3 days. I thought it was “Kremlin propaganda” and checked several firms for a choice. It turned out that all firms are alive and new capacities were really introduced this year. Mostly it seemed the food industry and the chemical industry. I myself am a chemist by training and I know how difficult it is to develop new capacities there. That is, it is worth departing from market relations - how the business begins. As for the market, it is good in trade and consumer services. The existence of such enterprises does not contradict the socialist economy. I myself was then restricted to travel abroad, but colleagues. who have been on business trips in Hungary and the GDR, told how cool it is with life and trade.
  44. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 December 2015 17: 39 New
    +1
    Here the people brought the Great Moderator! ... soon love letters will be written in Aesopian language ....
    More like an anti-mump vaccine ...
    Vaccinated from the "swamp" 100%!
    But the Kremlin Khazaria, in addition to disgust, also does not cause anything .... Svyatoslav is only farther to see!
  45. Modest
    Modest 23 December 2015 12: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Begemot
    "The state does not exist to make the lives of its citizens a paradise, but to ensure that it does not turn into hell."
    I don’t remember which famous person said that. Note that for officials and rulers, paradise is also not provided, but in our country, it seems, they do not know this, we have a state for the sake of providing material support for paradise for officials. I can give examples from the life of the ruling class until morning. Therefore, it is not necessary to put the homeland and the state, especially the Russian one, on the same level. The homeland is a yard, a house, a forest, a river, songs, friends, relatives, people on the street, relatives and loved ones, and the state - very unpleasant, indifferent, swaggering, thieving faces, holding muzzle and tyrants - love them? - fire !!

    it looks like you don’t understand how the federation works, right?