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Sevmash CEO: Admiral Nakhimov’s modernization works are on schedule

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PO Sevmash (Severodvinsk) fits into the schedule for the repair and modernization of the nuclear cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (project 11442М), said yesterday the company's general director Mikhail Budnichenko.


Sevmash CEO: Admiral Nakhimov’s modernization works are on schedule


“At present, the work carried out by Sevmash, fit into the timing schedules. Contracts for the supply of equipment with a long production cycle. The first deliveries of equipment to the cruiser will begin in the 2016 year ", - the general director quotes the newspaper Look.

The publication reminds that “the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov was delivered for scheduled repairs in August 1999 of the year, and in the autumn of 2008 of the year the spent nuclear fuel was unloaded from the ship”. Earlier it was reported that the ship will be armed with the Caliber missile system and the Polyment-Redut air defense system.

“The advancement of work on the 11442M cruiser is under constant control, the course of ship repair is also on the agenda of the interdepartmental working group under the board of the Military Industrial Commission,” Budnichenko added.

A total of 4 cruisers of the 11442M project (Orlan) were built in the Russian Federation. According to the newspaper, “only one of them, Peter the Great, is in combat status, the modernization of which can begin in 2019 after the Admiral Nakhimov TARK is restored in 2018 on Sevmash (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation)” .
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 19 December 2015 10: 00 New
    +8
    Well, yes, yes, yes ... And as a result it will turn out like with 22350. recourse
    So far, they will not introduce a criminal article for the failure of the StateOboronOrder and will twist dynamos.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 19 December 2015 10: 07 New
      10
      Thing! May God grant faster ...
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 19 December 2015 11: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Thing! May God grant faster ...

        Да, мощный корабль.. А с его систершипом" Адмиралом Лазаревым" сейчас как дела обстоят, никто не в курсе? Вроде недавно доковый ремонт провели и собирались модернизировать. Сдвинулось что-то?
        1. amba balamut 77
          amba balamut 77 19 December 2015 12: 50 New
          11
          Before selling on nails, the case is not sandblasted and not painted. Apparently the Navy command on Lazarev has some plans.
          1. Denis Obukhov
            Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 16: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: amba balamut 77
            Before selling on nails, the case is not sandblasted and not painted. Apparently the Navy command on Lazarev has some plans.



            “At present, it has been decided to restore the heavy nuclear missile cruisers of Project 1144. So, in 2014 OJSC“ 30 SRZ ”carried out dock repair and survey of the cruiser“ Admiral Lazarev ”, in the future it will be overhauled and modernized in Severodvinsk according to the reduced technical modernization project heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" project 1144.2 ".
          2. dyksi
            dyksi 19 December 2015 16: 28 New
            +4
            They wrote that at least three of the four ships could still be restored and modernized. I hope that this will be so, if only to add speed, everything has been done for a very long time, this also applies to the construction of new ships and the modernization of those in service.
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    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 19 December 2015 10: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimir
      And as a result it will turn out like with 22350

      What is wrong with 22350?
      1. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 19 December 2015 11: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        What is wrong with 22350?

        But what if he was launched into the water in 2006, and now 2015? Isn’t there a lot of tons for XR in 4.5?
        Threat.
        Oh yes. The deadlines for entering the invoice are transferred to 2016. Without mentioning the month, date. laughing
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 19 December 2015 11: 11 New
          +1
          But what if he was launched into the water in 2006, and now 2015? Isn’t there a lot of tons for XR in 4.5?
          Threat.
          Oh yes. The deadlines for entering the invoice are transferred to 2016. Without mentioning the month, date.


          + серия "встала". Про дальнейшие закладки молчат request
          1. Vladimyrych
            Vladimyrych 19 December 2015 11: 13 New
            +1
            Двигунов нэма. Было на два корпуса. "Касатонов" вроде как на воде уже но... request
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 19 December 2015 11: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir
              Dvigunov Nem

              Так идите в Николаеве попросите, в "Зоря-Машпроекте". Может Вам, как французу, не откажут? А то России даже оплаченные турбины отказываются поставлять.
              Или всё же ГТУ от "Сатурна" подождём?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 19 December 2015 12: 05 New
                +6
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Quote: Vladimir
                Dvigunov Nem

                Так идите в Николаеве попросите, в "Зоря-Машпроекте". Может Вам, как французу, не откажут? А то России даже оплаченные турбины отказываются поставлять.
                Или всё же ГТУ от "Сатурна" подождём?

                In general, this is a shame. A huge country, we can’t make a ship’s engine .. It's a pity, damn it ..
            2. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 19 December 2015 11: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Vladimir
              Dvigunov Nem

              Так идите в Николаеве попросите, в "Зоря-Машпроекте". Может Вам, как французу, не откажут? А то России даже оплаченные турбины отказываются поставлять.
              Или всё же ГТУ от "Сатурна" подождём?
              1. Yorgven
                Yorgven 20 December 2015 04: 24 New
                0
                The State Duma, urgently need to pass a law on polite collectors ...
        2. Roman 25
          Roman 25 19 December 2015 11: 53 New
          +4
          Долго, согласен. Но не надо людей в заблуждение вводить Фрегат "Адмирал флота Советского Союза Горшков" спущен на воду в конце октября 2010 года!!! Заложен он в 2006 году.
          Three more are being built along it, two of them should be ready according to plan in 3 (laid down in 2016 and 2009).
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 19 December 2015 15: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimir
          Oh yes. The deadlines for entering the invoice are transferred to 2016. Without mentioning the month, date.

          Примут два, вместе с "Касатоновым".
          The frigate was launched in 2010 and laid down in 2006, sort of.
        4. g1v2
          g1v2 19 December 2015 16: 13 New
          +3
          Given that the 22350 was designed for systems and weapons, which were developed in parallel with the construction of the ship, not too much.
          Цитата из летнего доклада ВВП министерством обороны. "Незавершение судостроительным заводом «Северная верфь» в установленные сроки испытаний систем головного фрегата проекта 22350 «Адмирал Советского Союза Горшков». Причина – рассогласование сроков завершения разработки систем вооружений «Полимент-Редут», «Картаун-Пума», «Пакет» и комплекса средств автоматизации «Линкор» со сроками строительства корабля."
          Now all the systems are ready. The lead ship is naturally most thoroughly tested. Gorshkov, in my opinion, had to shoot some types of weapons. The ship is ready. Another thing is most likely its adoption in operation by any date will be timed. Maybe February 23, maybe some other holiday.
          But by the end of this year there will also be acceptance. In December, the PSKR was handed over to the border guards, the Navy received a large hydrographic boat, the Akademik Kovalev naval armament transport, and the Sviyaga transport floating dock. I think that something else will be handed over to NG. hi
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 16: 04 New
      +1
      О модернизации "Нахимов"
      Purchases of Sevmash OJSC on modernization of Admiral Nakhimov TARKr (from the schedule for this year).
      UKSUR ZR-14N-11442M - 120 million rubles. [universal shipboard fire control system]
      Product 3C-14 - 1,2 billion rubles. [vertical launch launchers]
      SM-456-22350 - 88 million rubles. [set of loading facilities]
      Product 3M-48 - 120 million rubles. [anti-aircraft missile system S-300FM]
      Complex 3M87-1F - 280 million rubles. [modification of ZRAK Cortic-M?]
      3P87-1F, 4387-2F - 80 million rubles. [ZRAK 3H87-1 combat module]
      3R-86M - 75,2 million rubles. [ZRAK Dagger control module]
      Air defense control systems - 80 million rubles.

      MTPK Package - 202,96 million rubles. [mine-torpedo anti-submarine complex]


      РЭСУ 5П-10 – 40 млн.руб. [система управления огнем "Пума"]
      MREK 5P-20K - 60 million rubles. [multifunctional electronic complex]
      MP-650 product - 144 million rubles. [Radar “Pereberezik”]
      Product 5P-30P - 70,9 million rubles. [data processing system]
      NRS MR-232-3, MK-54IS - 20 million rubles. [navigation radar, electronic cartographic navigation information system]
      NRL MR-231 - 10 million rubles. [navigation radar]
      Complex MTK-201 M1.2 - 200 million rubles. [multifunctional optoelectronic television complex]
      5P-28-11442M - 351,8 million rubles. [EW TK-28 complex?]
      Product Enchantress-18280 - 20 million rubles. [VHF radio direction finding station]
      5П-23 – 40 млн.руб. [система обеспечения электромагнитной совместимости радиоэлектронных средств корабля разработки КБ "Аметист"]

      System Minotaur ISPN-M.1 - 120 million rubles. [towed Gus]
      MGS-30M equipment - 4 million rubles. [emergency control system]
      GAS MG-757.3 - 14,6 million rubles. [omitted by Anapa-M GAS]
      POA-RG products Amga-M - 10 million rubles. [GAS ​​sonar buoy signal reception]

      KSU TS - 500 million rubles. [integrated ship hardware management system]
      ICS MN - 460 million rubles. [multi-purpose information management system]
      IMS Bridge-11442 - 12 million rubles. [integrated bridge system]
      Sigma-11442M system - 160 million rubles. [combat information management system]
      SEV and EC Gnome-2M-11442 - 48 million rubles. [system of uniform time and reference frequencies]
      Navigation complex Chardash 11442М - 160 mln.
      The complex of hydrometeorological support Character-K - 10 million rubles.
      Product Lock-11442M - 28 million rubles. [system of joint safe use of weapons]
      АКС Р-779-16 "Рубероид" – 1,2 млрд.руб. [автоматизированный комплекс связи]
      Product Platan-MR - 25,4 million rubles. [ship time equipment]
      P-403 equipment - 44 million rubles. [alert equipment]
      Desalination plants P5S-2 - 68 million rubles.
      MTXM-2000RM turbocompressor refrigerating machines - 100 million rubles.
      Комплекс КТС "ГАММА-01Ф" – 44 млн.руб. [комплекс технических средств охранно-пожарной автоматики]
      Room monitoring system SMKP-M-11442M - 16 mln.ru
      1. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 19 December 2015 17: 03 New
        +3
        Denis Obukhov, fear God. If you own such information - hold your mouth shut. Is it really incomprehensible?
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      3. alex86
        alex86 20 December 2015 21: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Product 3C-14 - 1,2 billion rubles. [vertical launch launchers]
        - that is, Granite will be replaced by Caliber (and BraMos, as I understand it, will fit into them) - here with a range, like RCC, I see problems - they will not allow them to launch carriers at launch range, and increasing the range will cause a targeting problem . Who will clarify?
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 December 2015 16: 18 New
      -1
      I always believed that the modernization of 3 Orlanes and 6-7 Steller sea lions is several times more effective than riveting a surrogate of the 20380 project. I’m silent about megagluck under the Leader code.
  2. Olegater
    Olegater 19 December 2015 10: 01 New
    +3
    The news is good. Our fleet is being modernized. This is the most difficult and necessary part of Russia's defense. But there is a question, but will we manage to modernize and put into operation all our TARKs for the defense of the country before a major conflict?
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 December 2015 10: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Olegater
      But will we manage to modernize and put into operation all our TARKs for the defense of the country before a major conflict?

      "А Васька слушает, да ест". Этот год прорывной для флота. Без малого два десятка новых и обновленных кораблей уже говорят супостату: "Я не сплю"
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 December 2015 10: 39 New
        0
        And 18 of these 20 are auxiliary vessels. The year is truly a breakthrough - as many as 2 combat surface ships.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 19 December 2015 11: 20 New
          +9
          Quote: Vadim237
          And 18 of these 20 are auxiliary vessels.

          You're right! changing a bottle, you have a snack and wine.
          2 вспомогательных подводных агрегатов типа "улучшеный Кило" ака Варшавянка, 2 вспомогательных вооруженных на уровне американского эсминца, океанских фрегата адмиральских серий (до кучи исчо парочка проходит испытания), 2 малых сторожевиков(один из которых, из ит нау, гоняет весь украинский флот) и вчерашний отремонтированный ПЛАРК. Это так на вскидку.
          All of them are really auxiliary for their safety.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 December 2015 22: 27 New
            0
            I'm talking about surface combat ships, not boats and submarines.
      2. Olegater
        Olegater 19 December 2015 10: 54 New
        +3
        Тут вспомнил сатирика М. Евдокимова с его сатирой о мужике идущим из бани цитирую не дословно: "Я живу на одном краю деревни а мой батя на другом и никого мы не трогаем" Вот так наверное нужно и с оборонкой на дальнем востоке и в европейской части мощные флотилии и они никого не трогают - пока не трогают. Согласен необходим большой бюджет и подготовленные кадры. В министерстве обороны виднее что делать. Я просто высказал свои соображения.
  3. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 19 December 2015 10: 01 New
    +1
    "Нахимова" В Турции ждут в Босфоре! Так держать темпы мужики!
  4. The black
    The black 19 December 2015 10: 03 New
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    In fact, this is an arsenal ship! The warship, on board which after modernization will be
    находится очень большое количество высокоточного ракетного оружия, предназначенного в первую очередь для одномоментного поражения береговых объектов, в том числе и в глубине территории противника.( по некоторым данным до 80 крылатых ракет ну и много других "ништяков" для противника) smile
    1. v1tz
      v1tz 19 December 2015 10: 32 New
      +1
      Yes, I don’t really want to argue with such a ship ... it’s a serious thing, it can override one type.
  5. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 December 2015 10: 28 New
    +4
    On Nakhimich and the 18th year, there is still not a lot of work. And the news that modernization is on schedule is good. But I would like to speed up all this, because after that TARK will be upgraded to Petka. And the world is really not calm .
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 December 2015 11: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: NEXUS
      in view of the fact that after this TARK Petka will be modernized. And the world is really not calm.

      Well, Petya will stand on a planned modernization, the adversary will not get any easier
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 December 2015 13: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Tusv
        Well, Petya will stand on a planned modernization, the adversary will not get any easier

        Do you think that the TARK, located in the dock, is just as dangerous for the adversary as it is at sea? They will put Petya on modernization in 19, if the deadlines are not set. Another 3 years they will rearm. All this for a long time, you see. One hope, that by the year 20 we can build at least one Leader. Although the hope is weak.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 19 December 2015 13: 57 New
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Do you think that the TARK, located in the dock, is as dangerous for the adversary as in the sea?

          TARK is safe for NAT at the time of dismantling, when the weapons are removed. 5 months maximum unarmed. What is it stuffed with? Only a few know, and tens of thousands of bright elves are racking their brains
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 19 December 2015 14: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: Tusv
            TARK is safe for NAT at the time of dismantling, when the weapons are removed. 5 months maximum unarmed. What is it stuffed with? Only a few know, and tens of thousands of bright elves are racking their brains

            Now, more than ever, the question of building Leaders is more acute. The Orlans and Atlanta are aging and they are all Soviet-built. Modernization will extend their service for another 10-15 years. That's during this time, we are obliged to build a replacement for them.
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 19 December 2015 15: 33 New
          +1
          Действительно слабая, а после пресс-конференции и очень "слабых" ответов по экономическим вопросам (по сути лукавству с цифрами), вообще надежда пропадает, хотя должен же кто то защищать "недра".
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        4. amba balamut 77
          amba balamut 77 19 December 2015 19: 14 New
          +1
          При всём уважении, к 20-му году, это из разряда юмора, чёрного юмора. Наши "эффективные управленцы" корветы и фрегаты отработанных серий дольше строят. Пака на верху не будет порядка аля Сингапур, удачи не видать.
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  6. Million
    Million 19 December 2015 10: 29 New
    11
    Today is the birthday of Leonid Brezhnev! It is strange that VO didn’t remember ....
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 19 December 2015 10: 34 New
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      Quote: Million
      Today is the birthday of Leonid Brezhnev! It is strange that VO didn’t remember ....

      Nothing strange..
      A good leader was though!
      Well, have you eaten a sausage and everyone’s imported clothes?Oh well....
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 19 December 2015 10: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        A good leader was though!

        He simply was not allowed to leave on time, you see, and history would go a different way.
        1. kostya-petrov
          kostya-petrov 19 December 2015 10: 51 New
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          Quote: lelikas
          He was simply not allowed to leave on time.

          We have lived in communism 15 years of 18-ty! Under L.I. Brezhnev, what army was there, only nuclear submarines were worth what, everything worked and was released! And what children grew up !!! And what was the industry !!! Yes, there were a lot of things in the USSR under the dear Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev !!!
      2. Rokossovsky
        Rokossovsky 19 December 2015 12: 13 New
        -10
        A good leader was though!

        That's right! good
    2. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 19 December 2015 10: 39 New
      20
      Quote: Million
      Today is the birthday of Leonid Brezhnev! It is strange that VO didn’t remember ....

      And dear Leonid Ilyich was also the Supreme Commander of the USSR Armed Forces!
      It would be nice if VO would make a brief review of the state of the USSR Armed Forces during his reign. How much they built, how many they created, etc.
      The board of dear Leonid Ilyich, as General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU of the Russian Federation, is remembered by everyone, and everyone responds with warmth.
      1. Million
        Million 19 December 2015 10: 53 New
        +5
        He also fought and had military awards.
        1. kostya-petrov
          kostya-petrov 19 December 2015 10: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Million
          He also fought and had military awards.

          By the way, how many awards does he have in total ???
          1. MIKHALYCH1
            MIKHALYCH1 19 December 2015 11: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: kostya-petrov
            Quote: Million
            He also fought and had military awards.

            By the way, how many awards does he have in total ???

            On a liberal site, go there and count up to a gram! bully
      2. Pirogov
        Pirogov 19 December 2015 11: 48 New
        12
        Yes Leonid Ilyich GOLDEN MAN! Kingdom of Heaven!
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        2. Aleksander
          Aleksander 19 December 2015 13: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: Pirogov
          Yes Leonid Ilyich GOLDEN MAN! Kingdom of Heaven!


          Yes, he was remarkable precisely for the best human qualities — he was simple and decent.
    3. I am Russian
      I am Russian 19 December 2015 19: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: Million
      Today is the birthday of Leonid Brezhnev! It is strange that VO didn’t remember ....


      And December 18 was the birthday of I.V. Stalin.
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  7. Metlik
    Metlik 19 December 2015 10: 45 New
    +2
    In total, 4 cruisers of the 11442M project (Orlan) were built in the USSR (and not in the Russian Federation).
    1. belij
      belij 19 December 2015 11: 42 New
      +4
      Проекта 1144.2 только "Петр Великий" - четвертый крейсер. Его достроили в 1998 году. Все четыре корабля различаются по составу и компоновке вооружения. Проект 1144.2М - разработан для модернизации "Адмирала Нахимова" в 2013-2014 годах.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 December 2015 10: 50 New
    +4
    Modernization is often more difficult than rebuilding. Moreover, much on the ship is outdated, and ALL circumstances must be taken into account. It is especially difficult to design such upgrades. There were no computer models in those days.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 11: 43 New
      -2
      That’s exactly what you need to build with a smaller tonnage but with strong weapons!
      1. amba balamut 77
        amba balamut 77 19 December 2015 13: 33 New
        +1
        Yeah, right! The tankers of the T-90 should be mounted on UAZs, and the pilots on missiles and General Staff on Newport and balloons. Large tonnage is evil! Probably the poet every time when passing by Britain, our Orlan flew around a twirl of the British with the first Lord of the Admiralty. The main quality of the ship is seaworthiness, and here the Eagles will give anyone a head start. hi
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 19 December 2015 21: 43 New
          0
          Large tonnage is certainly good, but it’s not a panacea, to begin with, the fleet needs to update the same frigates built for India ,,, Talwar ,, than what's bad? Are you a woman that you need more authentic and thicker?
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov 19 December 2015 21: 50 New
          0
          Country india
          Type Frigate
          General characteristics
          Length (m): 124,5
          Width (m): 15,2
          Displacement (tons): 3850
          Speed ​​(knots): 32
          Cruising range (miles): 4600
          Draft (m): 4,2
          Crew: 180
          Armament
          Guns: 1 A-190
          Torpedo tubes: 4 mm
          Helicopters: 1 Ka-28
          Air Defense Systems: 2 Dirk
          1 3S-90 (export version of M-22 Hurricane)
          PLC: 2 RBU-6000
          UVP (cells): 8 3С-14 for Club-N or PJ-10 BraMos ,,,,, As for me an acceptable option. And the armament for yourself can be strengthened.
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  9. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 19 December 2015 10: 56 New
    0
    "Адмирал Нахимов" поставлен на плановый ремонт ещё в августе 1999 года, осенью 2008 года проведена выгрузка с корабля отработанного ядерного топлива».

    "Петр Великий", модернизация которого может начаться в 2019 году after in 2018 at Sevmash (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) будет восстановлен ТАРК "Адмирал Нахимов"».

    It is unfortunate that the repair cycle is almost 20 (TWENTY !!!) years.
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 19 December 2015 16: 44 New
      0
      Answer minSYoRAM: Do you think that 20 years to repair, is this normal? The longer, the better?
    2. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 19 December 2015 17: 16 New
      0
      Что-б ,Вы не говорили ,есть оправдание таких сроков,оно очень суровое- вплодь-до- пустить на иголки.Просто болячка одна,почитайте статьи про "Петра Великого" поймёте.
      СРЗ"Нерпа" с ОКБМ"им.Африкантова"-крейсер выходили,в моря отправили.
      С "Нахимовым"видать,что-то решили-дадут вторую жизнь))). Очень бы этого хотелось.
      But the ship inspires respect even at the pier. A word of honor.
  10. Wiruz
    Wiruz 19 December 2015 11: 08 New
    -2
    Я что-то не пойму. Основным ЗРК станет "редут"??? Оморяченный С-350??? fool

    I hope they just don’t tell us about plans to install the S-500 on it
    1. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 19 December 2015 11: 20 New
      +2
      Не будет "Полимент Редута". "Форт" останется с барабанами как сейчас. Даже не УВП как у "Штиля" на 11356p.
      Quote: Wiruz
      I hope they just don’t tell us about plans to install the S-500 on it

      They laughed and killed ooh ... laughing laughing
      There is no sea-based S-400, and the S-500 is generally wet dreams so far, even for land forces. He still has five years to test, at least five years.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 19 December 2015 13: 11 New
        +2
        S-400 sea based no

        Argue figs

        The S-500 is generally wet dreams so far, even for land forces. He still has five years to test, at least five years.

        Well, I don’t know, there is talk that his land version will be adopted for the coming year.

        At the expense of leaving the drum Fort ... Well, I don’t know, yet 48n6dm is better than 9m96m. And if you take for granted the rumors about the possibility of putting 4 9m96m instead of one 48n6dm - then generally it’ll work out well
  11. Pirogov
    Pirogov 19 December 2015 11: 36 New
    -4
    For 20 years, are ships recovering too fast? Isn't it easier to build corvettes and arm them well?
  12. From Samara
    From Samara 19 December 2015 11: 38 New
    +1
    SAM "Poliment-Redoubt" for the nuclear cruiser is weak, it is suitable for corvettes ...
  13. Resistance
    Resistance 19 December 2015 11: 50 New
    +4
    Quote: Pirogov
    For 20 years, are ships recovering too fast? Isn't it easier to build corvettes and arm them well?


    Count the calendar time and draw conclusions from this? With normal funding, our cap. repairs are done faster than Americans by 4-6 months. And as always, we are modestly silent about this. And Nakhimov, on the topic of cap. repair, around is not an indicator.
    То же самое с 855 "Ясень" (Северодвинск), лежала себе железяка более 10-ти лет, никого не трогала, и её не трогали. И, ух ты! Четверть века строили :о)))
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 21: 58 New
      0
      So the fact of the matter is that finance is not very good, and I believe that during this time it was possible to build more than one corvette or frigate, while many ships were very outdated, but in the current situation time is money!
  14. Old26
    Old26 19 December 2015 11: 53 New
    +7
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    "Нахимова" В Турции ждут в Босфоре! Так держать темпы мужики!

    Where otherwise. We only hear, either in the Bosphorus, or in Syria. And to ask a question, what for it is difficult there? I'm not talking about the prohibition of entry into the Black (and Baltic, by the way) of the sea ships with nuclear weapons

    Quote: NEXUS
    On Nakhimich and the 18th year, there is still not a lot of work. And the news that modernization is on schedule is good. But I would like to speed up all this, because after that TARK will be upgraded to Petka. And the world is really not calm .

    Новость действительно хорошая. Но не стоит опять говорить о "хотелках". Да, хотелось бы, но надо быть реалистами. Такой масштабной модернизации насколько я помню еще наши боевые корабли не проходили, исключение - индийский авианосец. Замена большого количества оборудования, тем более с длительным сроком изготовления - это достаточно сложная задача, в выполнении которой задействованы десятки, если не сотни предприятий. И даже если график сдвинется вправо, ничего сверхстрашного в этом нет. Зато будет отработан цикл, наработан опыт и модернизация следующего пройдет проще
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 20 December 2015 02: 05 New
      0
      Yeah, but where was atomic Ulyanovsk built?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 December 2015 13: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex777
        Yeah, but where was atomic Ulyanovsk built?

        In Nikolaev and at the time of the Union. We are talking about the Russian period.
  15. azesm
    azesm 19 December 2015 12: 19 New
    -11
    Quote: Mikado
    PO Sevmash (Severodvinsk) fits into the schedule for the repair and modernization of the nuclear cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (project 11442М), said yesterday the company's general director Mikhail Budnichenko.

    Sevmash CEO: Admiral Nakhimov’s modernization works are on schedule


    “At present, the work carried out by Sevmash fits into the timelines. Contracts have been signed for the supply of equipment with a long manufacturing cycle. The first deliveries of equipment to the cruiser will begin in the 2016 year, ”the newspaper Vzglyad quoted the general director.
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    The publication reminds that “the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov was delivered for scheduled repairs in August 1999 of the year, and in the autumn of 2008 of the year the spent nuclear fuel was unloaded from the ship”. Earlier it was reported that the ship will be armed with the Caliber missile system and the Polyment-Redut air defense system.

    “The advancement of work on the 11442M cruiser is under constant control, the course of ship repair is also on the agenda of the interdepartmental working group under the board of the Military Industrial Commission,” Budnichenko added.

    A total of 4 cruisers of the 11442M project (Orlan) were built in the Russian Federation. According to the newspaper, “only one of them, Peter the Great, is in combat status, the modernization of which can begin in 2019 after the Admiral Nakhimov TARK is restored in 2018 on Sevmash (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation)” .


    say thanks to Putin, who merged Novorossia with Mr. Nikolaev and his shipyards to our enemies

    say thanks
  16. From Samara
    From Samara 19 December 2015 12: 21 New
    -7
    Such a cruiser without aviation support will sink quickly in the ocean ...
    1. amba balamut 77
      amba balamut 77 19 December 2015 13: 10 New
      +2
      Not a minus, but enlighten, please, whoever can do this, much less quickly.
      1. From Samara
        From Samara 19 December 2015 13: 28 New
        -4
        And Cho minus That? Minus one fools in this case, not understanding the essence ...



        Without air cover, any ship is a vulnerable and slow-moving iron box, even despite the layered (3 echelon) air defense of these cruisers, the USSR created them on the basis of naval doctrine, where the Soviet aircraft carriers of the Ulyanovsk project should play the role of a comprehensive cover and increase combat stability. ..

        Missile cruiser without air cover target.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 19 December 2015 13: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: From Samara

          Without air cover, any ship is a vulnerable and slow-moving iron box, even despite the layered (3 echelon) air defense of these cruisers, the USSR created them on the basis of naval doctrine, where the Soviet aircraft carriers of the Ulyanovsk project should play the role of a comprehensive cover and increase combat stability. ..

          Of course it would be nice to have air support and cover for Petra and Nakhimych, but so far they are only dreams. But there is a significant mistake in your post ... do you really think that the same Petka walks alone? Besides his air defense, there are also air defense destroyers accompanying it, and small ships (this is an order) .Therefore, it is necessary to consider the destruction of the TARK from the side of the destruction of the entire order. And this, believe me, is not so simple even for AUG.
          1. From Samara
            From Samara 19 December 2015 13: 45 New
            -2
            My friend in the Ocean besides submarines. Without aviation cover there is nothing to do, the United States has numerous aircraft carrier groups that can attack not only several waves with aircraft but also cruise missiles at the same time ...

            The first wave of fighters can completely neutralize ship’s air defense, while the second will shoot unarmed targets with powerful bombs, and cruise missiles will be finished next ...
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 19 December 2015 13: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: From Samara
              My friend in the Ocean except submarines. Without aviation cover there is nothing to do, the United States has numerous aircraft carrier groups that can attack not only several waves by aircraft but also cruise missiles ...

              What are you saying? laughing That is, how the frail wreck will tear our order?
              Dear, in addition to defense complexes, the warrant has means of attack. In addition, the warrant always contains one or two submarines that will definitely not watch how they are trying to sink the TARK. And one more thing, during some kind of aggressive actions with respect to our order, ALL shock components will be automatically applied, including with the YaZ. Or do you, Batenka, seriously believe that there are no YaZ missiles on Petka and the accompanying submarines?
              1. From Samara
                From Samara 19 December 2015 13: 58 New
                -4
                Before writing anything, one must realize the combat capabilities of the US and Russian fleets ... It is simply ridiculous to compare them. Yanks are also present at Yankee. Yes! YaZ still needs to be applied, Yankee already has cruise missiles flying for sure ...
                You can argue until you turn blue, but in the Ocean we can’t pull against the USA, but the USA, Japan, France, Great Britain have a stronger fleet ...

                History shows that we should not bet on the surface fleet ... we lose.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 19 December 2015 14: 04 New
                  +3
                  Quote: From Samara
                  Before writing anything, one must realize the combat capabilities of the US and Russian fleets ...

                  Dear, where did you see in my post the statement that our fleet can compete with the NATO fleet on equal terms?
                  You stated that it’s easy and simple to destroy our TARK. To this I replied that in the case of the AUG fighting against our Order, the result is not at all obvious. At the same time, I emphasized that, of course, our orders need air cover.
                  1. From Samara
                    From Samara 19 December 2015 14: 36 New
                    -4
                    When I wrote that they would drown it easily, I proceeded from this: the cruiser’s shortcomings include the presence of only one multichannel radar for target illumination for the S-300F air defense system (Volna radar). In addition to the fact that in the event of a failure it leaves the ship without adequate protection, it also does not allow the cruiser to repulse the attack from more than one direction at a time. For comparison, comparable in size American Ticonderoga class cruisers have 4 independent target radars, which allows them to repel simultaneous attacks from more than one direction. The presence of only one guidance radar significantly reduces the capabilities of Project 1164 ships to combat modern anti-ship missiles with the ability to multisectoral attack.

                    I didn’t think that I would have to chew ...
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 19 December 2015 16: 53 New
                      +2
                      Quote: From Samara
                      I didn’t think that I would have to chew ...

                      Dear, I don’t need to chew anything. You too believe in the weakness of our warrant, while overstating the capabilities of mattress ships.
                      By the way, so, for reflection ... with a high probability Zircon projectiles will be delivered to Nakhimov. And according to some reports, this is a hypersonic missile with a range of 1000 km. As far as sclerosis doesn’t change me, the radius of the air wing is the same ... And now the question - if there will be such a complex at TARK that the adversary’s aircraft carrier will be?
                    2. Garris199
                      Garris199 21 December 2015 04: 46 New
                      0
                      Quote: From Samara
                      The presence of only one guidance radar significantly reduces the capabilities of Project 1164 ships

                      I hear a ring, but I don’t know where he is. And here is 1164? Article about TARK 1144. There are two S-300 complexesFM and two radars, respectively.
              2. belij
                belij 19 December 2015 22: 55 New
                0
                Previously, like every 4th special ammunition
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 20 December 2015 02: 08 New
              0
              Right now, one carrier group in the Atlantic, and one in the Pacific. And that’s all ...
        2. amba balamut 77
          amba balamut 77 19 December 2015 13: 56 New
          +3
          One small question, how much is the likely adversary willing to pay for this target? You yourself say 3 echelons of air defense, this is not 25 mm Yamato, the loss of two planes is not enough. And if you also take into account that sickly gifts will arrive in the same answer, the carrier will not always be outside the KR strike zone, who are those brave guys who, like you scornfully call the Orlans - a slow-moving target box? Tell me, did the Kuzi project (I’m not talking about Ulyanovsk) appear not after the birth of Kirov in metal? hi
          1. From Samara
            From Samara 19 December 2015 14: 04 New
            -4
            So far this is only your vision, but in fact, I see our few ships sailing into the ocean, accompanied exclusively by emergency tugboats ... Only the madman can compete with the USA in the Ocean ... Everything else ... Blah ... blah ... blah
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 19 December 2015 14: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: From Samara
              . Everything else ... Blah ... blah ... blah

              Well, why? Mattresses are also not fools and understand that in the event of aggression of their ships in the open ocean against our ships (which is tantamount to declaring war), a nuclear strike will be delivered at the bases where the aircraft carriers stand. Of 11 US carriers in the sea usually one or two dangles. So it's not blah blah, but realities.
              And regarding the scarcity of our surface fleet ... so, alas, nothing really was built in 20 years. Now, it seems, they took up the fleet and thank God.
              1. From Samara
                From Samara 19 December 2015 14: 32 New
                -1
                The fleet is expensive, it is symmetrically unreasonable, expensive and stupid to respond. Why do expensive nuclear-powered cruisers in the ocean without aircraft carriers? Especially if there is a nuclear war ... money down the drain ...
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 19 December 2015 14: 35 New
                  +4
                  Quote: From Samara
                  The fleet is expensive, it is symmetrically unreasonable, expensive and stupid to respond. Why do expensive nuclear-powered cruisers in the ocean without aircraft carriers? Especially if there is a nuclear war ... money down the drain ...

                  Для того ,что строить авианосцы,нужно построить корабли сопровождения:ТАРКи,АРКи,эсминцы,а не наоборот.При этом ВОЗРОДИТЬ школу постройки кораблей первого ранга.А не уподобляться тому герою Вицина из "операции Ы" с горшками.
                  1. From Samara
                    From Samara 19 December 2015 14: 39 New
                    0
                    To build such ships, I repeat, I need a resource ... the USSR has already stepped on this ...

                    Maybe someone just wants to cut money with this sauce?
            2. amba balamut 77
              amba balamut 77 19 December 2015 14: 15 New
              0
              In the ocean, yes, but the Nexus is right, blah ... blah .. blah is a battle between the United States and the Russian Federation without nuclear weapons.
              1. From Samara
                From Samara 19 December 2015 14: 33 New
                0
                Something pulls you on nuclear weapons? The meaning is then lost in these cruisers ... This is for everyone
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 19 December 2015 17: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: From Samara
                  Something pulls you on nuclear weapons? The meaning is then lost in these cruisers ... This is for everyone

                  But what is the meaning of 11 aircraft carriers? Bear good and bright, called American democracy?
          2. From Samara
            From Samara 19 December 2015 14: 10 New
            0
            I don’t remember exactly Ulyanovsk and Kirov, but what was planned to create the AUG is for sure, these ships were built on this basis ...
            1. amba balamut 77
              amba balamut 77 19 December 2015 14: 29 New
              0
              There was infa that the Eagles and the Anchars are separate, UG should have been beaten up. With the participation of the Atlanteans, the Brave and Buzzards.
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  17. azesm
    azesm 19 December 2015 12: 23 New
    -3
    Quote: Pirogov
    For 20 years, are ships recovering too fast? Isn't it easier to build corvettes and arm them well?


    in the country of thieves and saw cutters, endless repairs by pocket offices are much more profitable for thieves and saw cutters
    Do you think they have something to do with the country's defense? against who?
    against the NATO countries in which their families live and their children study, are their villas standing and their money stored?
    Well, why laugh?
    out of our minister Lavrov, who in theory should fight with our sworn enemy of the United States, daughter - a US citizen
    what to talk about?
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 December 2015 12: 55 New
      -1
      You are unfortunately right! These daughters and sons of the pitchfork, etc. are the main trouble.
  18. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 December 2015 13: 51 New
    0
    Мы с нашими "старичками" ещё дадим кому пр.. жару! Ведь главное есть отличное средство доставки! А работу будут делать наши умные снаряды! bully
  19. lopvlad
    lopvlad 19 December 2015 14: 04 New
    0
    Currently, the work carried out by Sevmash, fit into the timeline

    This ship was needed already yesterday. Work needs to be done ahead of schedule.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 19 December 2015 17: 42 New
      0
      Question: Do you have any relation whatsoever to the Fleet?
  20. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 19 December 2015 21: 52 New
    0
    Родненькие "Орланы" ,-как -же Вы нужны флоту Российскому ! Короче ,-больше товаров хороших и разных !
  21. mamont5
    mamont5 20 December 2015 14: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    What is wrong with 22350?

    But what if he was launched into the water in 2006, and now 2015? Isn’t there a lot of tons for XR in 4.5?
    Threat.
    Oh yes. The deadlines for entering the invoice are transferred to 2016. Without mentioning the month, date. laughing

    I advise you to read it again. Don't you think THIS is about you? ..
    http://topwar.ru/88035-znakomtes-russkoyazychnyy-agent-gosdepa.html