The second power unit is shut down at Leningrad NPP

The press service of the Leningrad Nuclear Power Plant reports that today (December 18) at 13: 50 Moscow time, the second power unit was shut down due to the formation of steam in one of the rooms of the turbine shop. According to the staff of the power plant, the nature of the steam leak is insignificant, and the necessary work has been carried out to localize it.

From the message press service of the power facility:

December 18 at 13.50 Moscow time, power unit No. XXUMX of the Leningrad NPP was stopped by personnel in accordance with the current instructions and regulations due to soaring in one of the premises of the turbine workshop - in the deaerator reduction unit. Hover significantly decreased after stopping the reactor. In addition, at present, the premises with a total area of ​​up to 2 square. m completely isolated. The nature of the steam leak is insignificant, its localization is going on (at the time of the material release - the location is complete - note “VO”).

The radiation situation at the Leningrad NPP and the industrial site has not changed and remains within the natural background values.

The cause of the accident was a steam engine crack in the turbine hall.

Despite statements by the Leningrad NPP employees that the background radiation is normal, St. Petersburg environmentalists claim that there was a radioactive release. At the same time, the statements of ecologists, which are given by the St. Petersburg portal "Fontanka", look somewhat inconsistent. A representative of the Green World organization, Oleg Bodrov, arguing that the release is radioactive, at the same time says that measurements of the background radiation near the NPP show normal values. From the statement of Oleg Bodrov:

The station is single-circuit, which means that all the vapor on it is radioactive. Another thing is that the scale of pollution is unknown. At the moment, it is known that the power unit has been stopped, and the employees have been sent home. Urban radioactive environment sensors show a normal background, up to X-NUMX micro-X-rays per hour.

Apparently, realizing that the message looks somewhat illogical, they decided in ecological organizations to refer to the statements of the Hydrometeorological Center, in which it was said that the wind in the Leningrad Region was of the west and north-west directions. Such statements were forced to alter the services of Estonia and Finland, which also did not detect any excess of the radiation background levels.

From the press service of the LNPP:

Currently, at the Leningrad NPP, 1,3,4 power units are in operation, which carry a load of 3000 mW. The radiation background in the vicinity of the station does not exceed the natural background values.

Comments

[Egor123]

Let's hope that everything will be in order and there will be no second Chernobyl.

[Major Yurik]

Every year different fucking things are riveted to our St. Petersburg nuclear power plant! Tired already, by God! Throw shnyaga, and then howl through the bushes: Everyone drink iodine in glasses! Zadolbali!

[lelikas]

Quote: Major Yurik

Everyone drink iodine in glasses! Zadolbali!

And Brom, just in case! I’ll come home - I panic a little more, I wrap myself in a sheet and crawl towards Luga ....

[Mahmut]

But are there single-circuit nuclear plants. Is it wildness ?!

[Alexey RA]

There are. Just RBMK - single-circuit.
Bypass - this is VVER.

[NDR-791]

They are all bypass !!! Learn mat.chast !!!

[NDR-791]

The radioactive water of the first circuit is closed to the barbator-coolers, and the SECOND circuit (the one that enters precisely the turbines) goes through the cooling pond. Therefore, it rarely freezes in winter, and the fish in it are bred healthy. It is the POND because there is always the possibility of a breakthrough of the primary circuit and it is planned to cut off that pond from external water supply.

[Jozhkin Cat]

The RBMK reactor operates according to a single-loop circuit. The circulation of the coolant is carried out in the multiple forced circulation circuit (KMPTs). In the active zone, the water cooling the fuel rods partially evaporates and the resulting steam-water mixture enters the separator drums. In the drum separators, steam is separated, which enters the turbine unit. The remaining water is mixed with feed water and is fed to the reactor core using the main circulation pumps (MCP). The separated saturated steam (temperature ~ 284 ° C) at a pressure of 70–65 kgf / cm2 is supplied to two turbogenerators with an electric capacity of 500 MW each. The spent steam condenses, after which, after passing through regenerative heaters and a deaerator, it is fed through feed pumps (PEN) to the KMPTs.
RBMK-1000 reactors are installed at the Leningrad NPP, Kursk NPP, Chernobyl NPP, Smolensk NPP.

[NDR-791]

Of course, I may not understand everything, but then the question is ??? How is the turbine itself serviced? here is a simple, routine? Or replacing the same blades? Imagine how all this "shines" !!! if it is on the same circuit !!! I don’t believe in life that the nuclear power plant is disposable until the first breakdown !!!

[Jozhkin Cat]

the change of the fuel rod is done by the robot. the rest xs. probably before disassembling, certain areas are washed with deactivators and the uncles in suits are changing everything with handles.

[NDR-791]

Yes, I am aware of TVEL !!! Having worked in Tomsk at the Research Institute of Nuclear Physics, although the MNS in the physics laboratory (it was a long time ago), I know the general points, but I have never heard that the work on RBMK was carried out by suicide bombers. By the way, that "striped pipe" that sticks out above each block was initially spitting out 40 curies (even in Chernobyl). Just after it, other filters were installed at Leningrad NPP, and then I quit my job and moved from Tomsk. So I don’t know the realities of today, but I know for sure - with smart use, the reactor is safe within the warranty period (although the period is already artificially overstated), but that's another story ...

[Soviet Union]

how ... silently, I'll tell you a secret, I also walked around the reactor with my legs

[T-73]

Quote: Soviet Union

I'll tell you a secret, I also walked around the reactor with my legs

Along the central hall, where it is "clean" or in the well of the reloading pool, along the lid. There is a difference)

[AVelder]

Good evening.
My answer is that the RBMK is really single-circuit or, as they say, one-and-a-half circuit. Only I don’t understand. Why does everyone think that if water passes through the reactor, then it becomes radioactive ??? This is a great delusion. Water is never radioactive. Water can contain radioactive elements, if they somehow got there, then yes, the water starts to glow strongly, but more precisely, again, not water itself, but impurities that have got into it. All fuel assemblies in all reactors are complex structures, but in general it can be said that all radioactive fuel and subsequent fission products are in "pellets" that are placed in sealed zirconium alloy tubes. If everything is normal and everything is whole, then the tightness is not broken and radioactive elements do not get into the water, respectively, the water cannot become radioactive after passing through the reactor (again, we are talking about an intact reactor).

[2s1122]

Apparently, as I understand it, a fistula formed in the steam supply system from the superheater to the turbine. And the stop was due to the high temperature and pressure of the outgoing steam in the workshop, 40sq.m to be filled with steam in a matter of minutes. And there is some kind of pollution emission to be there unnecessarily, the only thing that is undesirable is an emergency with workers, there may be burns.

[Soviet Union]

It's funny to read the comments of people who do not understand anything about it.

[2s1122]

Well, why they don’t understand, for example, in my specialty: locksmiths for repair of heating equipment at the thermal power station. And the steam supply system for the turbine is the same everywhere. And when the pressure in the system is lost, the power unit will be switched to idle mode.

[goblin xnumx]

I don’t understand, is there a turbine hall with an area of ​​40 sq m? - Is there a typo here? - I suppose a fistula on a sharp steam pipeline? and the pipe goes through the turbine compartment?

[2s1122]

No, just a note flashed "a room of 40sq.m" so I mentioned it.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: NDR-791

Radioactive water of the first circuit is closed to barbators

In my opinion, the first circuit is not water!

[Andrey NM]

The man, probably, counted the cooling circuit for the second.
Simplified. On RBMK steam from "samovar" goes straight to the turbine. In water-to-water and liquid metal cooled reactors, the heated coolant goes to the heat exchanger, where heat is transferred to the next circuit, the water of which goes to the nozzles, there it is already on the turbine blades in the form of steam, and then to the "condenser" and the pump again to the heat exchanger. The "condenser" (where the steam condenses into water) is cooled by the refrigeration circuit. So that the water does not boil ahead of time, high pressure is maintained in the circuits.

[lescha.kazakov]

RBMK blocks are single-circuit.

[anfil]

Quote: NDR-791

They are all bypass !!! Learn mat.chast !!!

RMBC-1000

[Soviet Union]

technological schemes to help you

[Dimy4]

They are all bypass !!! Learn mat.chast !!!

RBMK is a channel-type high-power reactor, the working fluid, passing through the reactor core, performs work in the turbine. Dry saturated steam is non-radioactive, therefore such reactors are possible. VVER - water-water power reactor. (The general course of power plants for 23 years has passed; I still remember that I was drilled well.)

[T-73]

Not all. RBMK boiling type reactors do not apply to them.

Quote: NDR-791

But are there single-circuit nuclear plants. Is it wildness ?!

Not wildness, there are. And they work fine. Why do they work? Power higher issue. This is somewhat smoothed out now, but it was built when there was not enough station with 1 units with VVER-1000 for one NPP unit with 2 RBMK-440 reactor. Norms are very cruel to our safety. I think everything is normal, but environmentalists ... Yelling does not work.

[Andrey NM]

I am not a mechanic, but like any other nuclear-powered submarine officer who takes credit for a ship duty officer, officer of watch and independent control of the ship, I had to pass tests for the design and operation of the "samovar". And I have a question all the time ... As a coolant is used bidistillate (double distillation water), everything is sealed everywhere, the pressure is kept, the radiation level is no, on the street under the sun it is often higher (if the lid is not directly hugged). Where does the coolant go? Why do you constantly need to recharge? Of course, quite a bit, but still. Distilled water in its properties under ideal conditions is not a conductor of current, "does not accumulate" radiation, etc., but in the process of operation, tiny particles of the reactor's products still get into the water, so they are radioactive. These can be various salts, etc.
And if the reactor is not off the beaten track, because of these particles, the reaction still continues, the water slowly but heats up, and the reactor needs to be constantly cooled, especially after prolonged operation in modes. I just remember that the person on duty at the power plant will "cool" the device to a certain temperature in the evening, in the morning you need to cool it again ...
Dear experts, if I didn’t exactly say something here, correct it.

[lescha.kazakov]

Yes, you are absolutly right. At the Kalinin NPP, double-circuit units.

[Serhio]

Steam in a steam line in a turbine room cannot be radioactive.

[Soviet Union]

Why do you think so? On VVER, yes, it cannot, apart from RBMK ...

[n.kolesnichenko]

But there are 2 loops on the loop !!!

[archi.sailor]

It happens, for example, Fukushima

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Mahmut

But are there single-circuit nuclear plants.

in my opinion no. Most likely there is a VVER-1000 and this is a reliable reactor

[matross]

Quote: lelikas

And Brom, just in case!

Specialists dry red recommend! I have already started the proactive deactivation of the body

[dr.star75]

VODKA? I’ll go too just in case I’ll be warned!otherwise it will reach us!

[raketnik]

here tezh pancake and how are we in barnaul without active deactivation ???? right now I’ll stick a glass

[dr.star75]

Only purely for the prevention of infection! For one!

[Dym71]

Quote: raketnik

here tezh pancake and how are we in barnaul without active deactivation ???? right now I’ll stick a glass

Well, since they’ve taken care of Barnaul, Tula will support cognac exclusively out of solidarity with Leningraders!

[F751]

And I used a beer, only then I began to read (Will it help? From Barnaul too

[Dym71]

Quote: F751

And I used a beer, only then I began to read (Will it help? From Barnaul too

I recently "swim" in this topic and with cognac , fortunately, the site has specialists like "Dimy4", who write like this:

the working fluid, passing the reactor core, performs work in the turbine. Dry saturated steam is non-radioactive, therefore such reactors are possible.

And therefore! Drink beer in moderation and make sure that the turbine does not go into the spacing!

[Ezhaak]

Quote: matRoss

I have already started the proactive deactivation of the body

Eh, you just give a reason to deactivate.

[Andrey NM]

Dry wine for digestion, and from radiation it is better to take alcohol or vodka. I was especially interested. Boats at sea give 50 grams of wine daily. Now I don't know, but then it was Norm N6, according to which chocolate, balykovy, roach and much more were added to the diet in the sea. The stomach contains bacteria that support digestion. For certain reasons, they can "die", and the wine supports them remarkably. Listen, what a canned vobla! Nowhere else have I met this.

[Luga]

Quote: lelikas

I’ll come home - I panic a little more, I wrap myself in a sheet and crawl towards Luga ....

Two questions:
1. And why in the direction of Luga at once?
2. When to expect?

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Major Yurik

Every year different fucking things are riveted to our St. Petersburg nuclear power plant!

- Leningrad. Petersburg has nothing to do with it - neither old, royal, nor new. LNPP is the achievement of the selfless labor of the Communists.

Quote: Major Yurik

They will throw a shnyaga, and then howl through the bushes:

- Because everyone remembers the Ukrainian nuclear power plant, the German nuclear power plant ... and no one would like to be in the "new Pripyat". Another thing is that this incident became public - a serious mistake. An excellent excuse for clever scoundrels to drive away stupid alarmists and snatch something like that on the sly, or break something that gets in the way.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Major Yurik

Every year different fucking things are riveted to our St. Petersburg nuclear power plant!

[Enot-poloskun]

It is necessary to drink a 40% solution of ethanol in water. Helps from radiation.

[Strezhevchanin]

Quote: Enot-poloskun

It is necessary to drink a 40% solution of ethanol in water. Helps from radiation.

You well! And knowing how the bear is a loafer, I already got tired of tying up water, how to get drunk and let's clink on this three-string crap ...... in short, I don’t know what to do with it. And the motive is the same, poplar-poplar! Squirrel to see guests ran.

[Dym71]

Quote: Strezhevchanin

And I have a bear loafer, I was already sick of vodar tyrit how to get drunk and let's clink on this three-string crap ...... in short, I don’t know what to do with it.

How you do not know what to do ...
The answer is on the surface
If you can’t stop drinking, you must head it!

[Alexanast]

No, two drops of water per glass of vodka - just right

[LÄRZ]

... and drink until the water runs out.

[Red_Hamer]

misconception does not help

[dauria]

Every year, various fucking things are riveted at our St. Petersburg nuclear power plant! They will throw a shnyaga, and then howl through the bushes ...

Better silently, as in Chernobyl, the bosses of their households will take out? Okay, this is a small thing, anyway, this is an accident with radioactive contamination, albeit very small, which by and large did not get anywhere.

The most serious incidents at RBMK reactors:

1975 - rupture of one channel at the first block of Leningrad NPP
1982 - rupture of one channel on the first block of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant
1986 - accident with a massive rupture of channels at the fourth block of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant
1991 - a fire in the engine room of the second Chernobyl NPP unit - the accident is primarily associated with an emergency situation at the turbogenerator
1992 - rupture of one channel at the third block of Leningrad NPP

[dr.star75]

Well, firstly, now there are no emissions, and secondly, the Chernobyl NPP seemed to be specially blown up. If it’s primitive, the situation developed as follows: exercises were held to check the operability of the station’s defense mechanisms. They exceeded power, the protection worked, turned it off manually, another increase - the protection went out again, turned off again, and so on to the last turn. When he passed out, the reactor was offended.

[Vadim237]

The following happened there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3v3Z7iuNx0

[T-73]

Quote: dauria

whatever you say, this is an accident with radioactive contamination, albeit very small, which by and large did not get anywhere.

Well, the fistula was pressed, what's the problem? Or a design accident? No? That means it's okay. Not even an "event" most likely. The PPE should be burned in the SRW US (if you have it, but it cannot be) and continue to work. No one will take out the household and will not try to do this. It's just that the zones of possible pollution around with cordons will be surrounded - and business. Monitoring of the radiation situation is constant.

[tol100v]

Quote: Major Yurik

Zadolbali!

Especially the "green", grant-eaters of "green" papers!

[Koshak]

Quote: Major Yurik

Every year different fucking things are riveted to our St. Petersburg nuclear power plant! Tired already, by God! Throw shnyaga, and then howl through the bushes: Everyone drink iodine in glasses! Zadolbali!

How did Vysotsky sing:
"Stoker said -" Stolichnaya "is very good from strontium"
http://www.youtube.com/embed/BuRHVuJoIoo?rel=0&autoplay=1&start=1

[Koshak]

This is not Vysotsky, this is Galich.

[Soviet Union]

She is not Petersburg - she is Leningrad

[ARS56]

"Fontanka" is the mouthpiece of the State Department - the St. Petersburg analogue of "Rain".

[mehanik27]

Well, they were given a lot of honor for Fontanka. The usual yellow boulevard fiction. Which has switched to the format of Internet publications. They stupidly copy any news from any network sources. They have often been embarrassed because of this.

[PKTRL]

Major Yurik (2) :
Every year different fucking things are riveted to our St. Petersburg nuclear power plant! Tired already, by God! Throw shnyaga, and then howl through the bushes: Everyone drink iodine in glasses! Zadolbali!
Let them drink ..! Glasses and not only iodine .., the main thing is that any echomaceous force would not have created a panic! A few years ago, in the Sosnovoborsk NPP, there was supposedly an explosion, as in the Chernobyl .. And .., again, someone clones such "news" ..

[Paranoid50]

Yes, environmentalists are undoubtedly useful and necessary comrades, but sometimes they just drive a wave of panic, albeit with the best of intentions. Say, it's better to stop ... Well, yes, we are no longer used to that with our Leningrad nuclear power plant, that with daily evacuations in shopping centers, at train stations and metro stations. Well, time is, although all alarms are false. The result is a kind of civil defense exercise. He smiled that the "neighbors" had caught treason, zhu-u-u-tuu ...

[Wiruz]

Let's hope that everything will be in order and there will be no second Chernobyl.

Spit! Here, in general, parallels cannot be drawn. Just somewhere fistula at the turbinists.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Strange message .... The question is why all this was posted on the site ..?

[79807420129]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Strange message .... The question is why all this was posted on the site ..?

Yes figs Mikhalych knows, probably evening, Friday you can carry out the disinfection of the body. Well, for a peaceful atom!

[Soviet Union]

So that the atom was always peaceful

[Koshak]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

Strange message .... The question is why all this was posted on the site ..?

In order to please the "censor".

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX

The question is why all this was posted on the site ..?

..

And then, to stir up our and our sworn Baltic neighbors. You look, and something will break off "green".

[VOLCHOXURAL]

Quote: Wiruz

Let's hope that everything will be in order and there will be no second Chernobyl.

Spit! Here, in general, parallels cannot be drawn. Just somewhere fistula at the turbinists.

Yes, I think the identity of the turbine owners is whistling somewhere, such as the exhaust burns out, well, or the oil seal leaked

[milann]

In wartime, alarmists were placed against the "wall". And the "wall" has long missed such Bodrovs

[Streich]

The second Chernobyl is possible only with those idiots (or not idiots at all) who themselves organized this Chernobyl. There was completely disabled reactor protection !!!!! It’s the same thing that you try to close the two bare ends, knowing that 380v is connected.

[Vanya]

stop repeating nonsense; The Chernobyl accident occurred due to the imperfection of the reactor itself, and the operators were blamed as the reactor designer was the head of the minatom

[APASUS]

Quote: vanya

stop repeating nonsense; The Chernobyl accident occurred due to the imperfection of the reactor itself, and the operators were blamed as the reactor designer was the head of the minatom

Well, what are we going to raise criminal cases, or so agree?
The accident occurred due to the fault of the shift supervisor and the operator brigade that brought the reactor into non-standard mode, when the emergency protection was triggered, it was ordered to remove it from Moscow. the change understood its mistakes, the emergency lowering of the rods led to an instantaneous jump in energy (this is the protection, when lowering the rods there is an instantaneous jump in temperature in the reactor zone, which gradually turns into a decay of the reaction) in addition to p zrushivshimsya fuel cells lowering rods caused the destruction of the reactor vessel.
In this case, the design flaw can be called the ability to disable protection and more!
And so look at the tech, give the fool a can of condensed milk and he will find a way to blow it up.

[Vadim237]

There was so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3v3Z7iuNx0

[sniper]

Quote: vanya

; The Chernobyl accident occurred due to the imperfection of the reactor itself,

Very controversial statement ... RBMK-1000 reactors were used at Chernobyl

uranium-graphite (RBMK-1000). The numerous advantages of the RBMK-1000 reactor ultimately resolved the dispute in his favor, since even then huge experience had been accumulated, there was a ready-made production base and a proven technology for the production of uranium-graphite reactors. In addition, a nuclear power plant at RBMK reactors could have almost unlimited power within one unit, and spent nuclear fuel could be replaced without shutting down the reactor. In all respects, besides safety, the use of RBMK-type reactors seemed more attractive from an economic point of view.
The disadvantages of uranium-graphite reactors include greater complexity in operation, increased requirements for maintenance personnel, the need for strict adherence to safe operation rules.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: vanya

stop repeating nonsense; The Chernobyl accident occurred due to the imperfection of the reactor itself, and the operators were blamed as the reactor designer was the head of the minatom

Imperfection can be found in the "most perfect" object. Operation and maintenance manuals (instructions) for this purpose are attached to ensure reliable and safe operation of the facility.

[bornikrub]

And what is so military about this news?

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: bornikrub

And what is so military about this news?

Well, probably so ... "Russia (Putin) cannot control its nuclear projects ... And it's time to take them under the control of" Western democracy "..))) I remember this in the 90s ...

[2s1122]

Yes, so boredom, they decided on 100 g before bedtime and then the news well, they shoved the article.

[mehanik27]

and hell knows))) Well, maybe something like military personnel of military unit 3705 of the regiment for the protection and defense of Leningrad NPP and NITI got a little tense due to the bustle of the nuclear plant on-duty shift

[goblin xnumx]

yeah, it’s a little tense, for sure, one thing is being worked out and more or less familiar and another thing is vanity similar to an accident, Chernobyl is still remembered, so they just need to remove stress after the change

[mehanik27]

They have worked out accident situations as well. Everything is serious there.

[GRAY]

Quote: Egor123

Let's hope that everything will be in order and there will be no second Chernobyl.

Will not be. Water is not radioactive, as it consists of hydrogen and oxygen atoms.
There is a radioactive isotope of hydrogen (tritium), with a half-life of 12,32 years. Radioactive oxygen isotopes are also known: from 12O to 24O. All radioactive oxygen isotopes have a short half-life, and 12O decays in 5,8 × 10−22 seconds. In a nuclear power reactor, tritium and radioactive oxygen isotopes are not formed. When they talk about radioactive contamination of water, they mean that it contains dissolved radioactive isotopes of other elements.
- Is the reactor intact?
- Int.
There was no direct contact of water with fuel (fuel elements have a shell), which means that everything is normal.

[svp67]

Yes, I wish you success and really hope for the experience and skill of our nuclear experts.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: svp67

I really hope for the experience and skill of our specialists

you and Beloyarochka are at our side! Let's hope for our specialists Seryoga ...

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

you and Beloyarochka are at our side! Let's hope for our specialists Seryoga ...

- My friend works there as an engineer. He is a great person and a competent specialist. BNPP is in good hands, comrades, sleep well. But I can't vouch for Mayak ... there were, you know, incidents ...

[Jozhkin Cat]

A single-circuit scheme with a boiling reactor and a graphite moderator of the RBMK-1000 type was applied at the Leningrad NPP. The reactor operates in a unit with two K-500-65 / 3000 condensing turbines and two 500 MW generators. A boiling reactor is a steam generator and thereby determines the possibility of using a single-circuit circuit. The initial parameters of saturated steam in front of the turbine are: temperature 284 ° С, vapor pressure 7,0 MPa. The single-circuit scheme is relatively simple, but radioactivity extends to all elements of the unit, which complicates biological protection

[GRAY]

Quote: Yozhkin Cat

but radioactivity extends to all elements of the block

Water is not a block element, but a coolant.
It becomes radioactive only when the shells of the fuel elements are damaged.

[dr.star75]

Terrorist attack? Who? Ukrainians? Turks? Daish? No, just a pipe cracked? Aaaaaa well this is not interesting. Will we continue to discuss?

[FINN74]

Such statements made Estonia and Finland services alarmed

It’s not iron

[dchegrinec]

Tubes rotted. Has there been a replacement? It looks like you have a lot to change.

[mehanik27]

To replace Leningrad NPP-2, it is under construction, after the launch of its first two units they will begin to decommission 1 and 2 units of LNPP-1

[dr.star75]

There, on each piece of iron there is a seal: it is valid until ..., and then a replacement. And a bunch of signatures, who is responsible for what, and who is responsible for whom, and everyone knows what it will be. An emergency has occurred. The protection worked, there is no need to evacuate the europeans (well, due to radiation), and then they will sort it out, or the pipes are rotten, or the file is sharp.

[user1212]

Quote: dchegrinec

Tubes rotted. Has there been a replacement? It looks like you have a lot to change.

Have you specialized in diagnosing rectors according to media reports?
What "talents" are lost ....

[GRAY]

Quote: user1212

What "talents" are lost ....

Impressed too.

Tube garbage, the main gasket of the head of the block on time to change.

[kapitan92]

Problems at the Khmelnitsky nuclear power plant, problems at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant-got these Ukrainians! Let them figure it out themselves. "We see a speck in someone else's eye, we don't notice a speck in our own log."
Let's deal with our stations! We’ve got our own problems! A mess in Russia is a sea, and we are all looking for someone else to help and someone else’s problems to solve!

[Koshak]

Quote: dchegrinec

Tubes rotted. Has there been a replacement? It looks like you have a lot to change.

And then there, in your opinion, some woodpeckers manage the station.

[Black]

Yes, the "single-circuit" station made me happy .... If it was the "ecologist" who blinded it, then you need to see how many circuits it has ....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Chen

Yes, the "single-circuit" station pleased ...

And when did the second circuit appear at RBMK LNPP?

The dual-loop reactors at the LNPP will be when the LNPP-2 is put into operation.

[Mountain shooter]

A lot of time has passed since the construction, maybe that is what cracked. But not in the reactor. And let them not tell tales about the single-circuit system in Sosnovy Bor. Normal station and great staff there.

[Andrey77]

The turbine gave a leak. This is the second circuit.

[dauria]

The turbine gave a leak. This is the second circuit.

There really is no second circuit, steam on a turbine from directly from the reactor. Another couple
not there.

[Andrey77]

Emission from GTZA. Nothing wrong.

[Wiruz]

Tubes rotted. Has there been a replacement? It looks like you have a lot to change.

At our CHPP, a wooden chopper is generally hammered into the turbine Fortunately, in the last steps, where there is almost no excess pressure

[Jozhkin Cat]

it happens

[Alex_on]

The electrician's posters ran out)))))

[Mikado]

"Green World" - straight "Green Peace" in our style. Heard about them from customers. They told, for example, that people are starting to dig a foundation pit in the region, these comrades are right there - "Where are you taking the soil? And show documents, like that the soil is not dangerous." Interfere with work, in short. PR, "lovers of mother nature" ..

[Andrey77]

Give them a reason.

[dr.star75]

You don’t believe hto their sponsor! Yes, Yes! they are!

[Mikado]

Quote: dr.star75

You don’t believe hto their sponsor! Yes, Yes! they are!

I just told how they told me. What really hindered the work. In my memory, this story with requirements about the ground was in September not-say-in what region of the LO .. From the point of view of the law, they are, in fact, who, Rospotrebnadzor, Rosprirodnadzor? What's the dog thing? Do not like it - write a complaint to the environmental prosecutor’s office or Rospotrebnadzor. And there the customer ran confirmation of the soil to do that, which is harmless. In general, it would be necessary for these nature lovers to give out life-giving cages, but this is not by law, and no one will do it.
As well as "Piggy", in principle.
If you want to do ecology, do it. Under the law. And not a samopiar reminiscent of blackmail.

On the other hand, I went to the site in Sosnovy Bor yesterday. It’s good that I went yesterday)) And not today. Purely, just in case))

[dr.star75]

It is necessary to beat them with their own weapons: to find the instigation of the legislation of the Russian Federation and on this basis to write complaints to all authorities.

[Mikado]

Quote: dr.star75

It is necessary to beat them with their own weapons: to find the instigation of the legislation of the Russian Federation and on this basis to write complaints to all authorities.

It's easier to keep environmental documentation in order)) True, you have to pay for everything. First, research, then an environmental project, then coordination in the necessary structures, then maintain it in the right form, pay on time, and export on time.
But here you will not say anything - you are doing something, you are spoiling mother nature (drains, waste, etc.) - please pay. And it is right.
Medvedev played a trick here in the 13th year, signed decree No. 644 on Vodokanal. In short, the essence of the situation itself: changes in requirements and environmental documentation, the so-called. "declaration", last year all legal entities rushed to fulfill it, spent a lot of money, it turned out - no penalties for failure to comply are not provided. This year no one has done this)) What has not been canceled yet, what Medvedev introduced?)) We are waiting, sir, when THIS will be canceled))
Since the beginning of next year, we are waiting for changes in waste)) In short, forever waiting))
My friend, I can talk about ecology for hours. Forgive the former captain, who became an ecologist))

[dr.star75]

Well hello: do not rush to comply with the order of the boss, since an order can be canceled that cancels the previous order! Everything is simple: the bourgeoisie are pressing us, and we are not bending, but are adapting to the changing market conditions. And we are waiting for OURS to come to power! The enemy will be defeated! Victory will be ours!

[Mikado]

As for the environment - NADO. Otherwise, wait for the environmental prosecutor's office. But they are not joking, not at all))
Just a little mess - there is. I respect Onishchenko for the fact that he has always been our main tool ("you behave badly, for example, Georgia or Moldovans - we will find a discrepancy in your mineral water," I translate).
But some points (exclusively inside the ecology and the work of environmental structures and laboratories) of his decisions are really controversial, and very hinder the work. This could be solved with a stroke of the pen, he did not.
Maybe I won’t write a lecture about the microclimate and the definition of white spirit in the air?)) And even then we’re sitting on our brains, breaking all the laboratories))

[dr.star75]

It is necessary to beat them with their own weapons: to find the instigation of the legislation of the Russian Federation and on this basis to write complaints to all authorities.

[UVB]

I apologize for being off topic, I just wanted to share the news. In Lugansk today opened a monument to I.V. Stalin: http://lug-info.com/news/one/gosti-iz-rossii-i-obschestvennye-deyateli-lnr-otkry
li-v-luganske-pamyatnik-stalinu-9242

[Andrey77]

Why not to Putin?

[UVB]

http://lug-info.com/news/one/gosti-iz-rossii-i-obschestvennye-deyateli-lnr-otkry
li-v-luganske-pamyatnik-stalinu-9242

During life, a monument? I have no doubt that there will be GDP, but it is desirable that in the distant future.

[vladfill]

Because I.V. Stalin.

[Axis]

Though somewhere the monuments are not demolished, but put up ...

[Neohumanoyd]

Well, maybe the creative research of the sculptor can reach Lavrenty Pavlovich ...

[dr.star75]

Read the biography of L.P. Beria and yourself give an assessment of its activities. Don’t follow the gossip. By the way, the repression of 37 years, he did not START, but STOP!
People's Commissar of the NKVD 34-36 - Berry - shot, 36-38 - Yezhov - shot. Beria since 1938.

[dr.star75]

Read the biography of L.P. Beria and yourself give an assessment of its activities. Don’t follow the gossip. By the way, the repression of 37 years, he did not START, but STOP!
People's Commissar of the NKVD 34-36 - Berry - shot, 36-38 - Yezhov - shot. Beria since 1938.

[T-73]

We raised so much turbidity about .. and Beria, and Stalin, Kalinin, Lenin, that you wonder. All kinds of Suvorov dirtied their brains. Yes, and Solzhenitsyn ... Controversial work. From insult seems a lot to write. Only where is the truth now? Raising archives and writing new textbooks. While there is time. But who needs this truth? We’ll distribute the archives to the Baltic states easier, they need to see more

[Neohumanoyd]

So I don’t mind ... what are you minus ... let at least Yezhov, in the end it is up to them to decide who to put ... I myself have the portrait of Felix 1957 stored until better times ... It sounds paradoxical, but the setting monument to Stalin in our time testifies to REAL HEALTHY democracy in our society ... (Everyone has the right to their opinion) by the way in the USA, for the same reason, a group of citizens can calmly erect a monument to Stalin in theory ... although for some reason their democracy is all less democratic every day .. PS Democracy (dr. Greek . δημοκρατία - the "power of the people" was not invented by the Americans, they would not have guessed ..

[dr.star75]

I did not minus, although you deserve, in my opinion, you do not seem to distinguish between Beria and Yezhov, judging by your logic, Stalin and Hitler are the same tyrants. I advise you to carefully study the materials of that era in order to have your own idea of ​​those personalities. Regards, Mikhail !

[dr.star75]

I did not minus, although you deserve, in my opinion, you do not seem to distinguish between Beria and Yezhov, judging by your logic, Stalin and Hitler are the same tyrants. I advise you to carefully study the materials of that era in order to have your own idea of ​​those personalities. Regards, Mikhail !

[Neohumanoyd]

Dear Michael , I don’t just have the right to evaluate the historical role of such personalities as Stalin or Hitler, who I am and who they are ... They determined world history for a thousand years ahead ... I didn’t have repressed in my family, so I have no reason to Stalin treats badly, and Hitler brought us a lot of evil, Stalin saved the country, Nikolai2 I don’t really like it though I don’t have to judge it ...

[dr.star75]

Well, why? You have every right to evaluate (like me) not only the historical, but also the current activities of any ruler of the Russian Federation, USSR, Ingushetia and further back centuries. I suggest studying their contribution to the development of our country.

[Alex_on]

In Sarov, there may be a monument to L.P. Beria, they know better who to put .......

[novobranets]

Quote: UVB

I'm sorry that off topic

Can I then also off topic?

MH-17: Australia says Russia is not to blame, evidence forged
The recovered wreckage was first photographed and recorded in the Netherlands by DSB. Image-1 shows the first DSB photograph, with one visible hole. Image-2 shows that the second hole appeared in the new photo published by DSB. In his testimony, Donoghue said that ten months after the accident, and after Kiev officials handed over less than half of the fragments of the fuselage to the Dutch, the discovery was made that “some fragments are not consistent with the wreckage of the aircraft.” Http: //warfiles.ru/ show-103262-mn-17-avstraliya-govorit-chto
-russia-n
e-vinovata-uliki-poddelany.html

What is this going on, citizens? Australia, which yelled at the "Russian Buk", now accuses the official Kuev of forgery. An interesting article, I recommend it.

[region58]

Quote: UVB

In Lugansk today opened a monument to I.V. Stalin

Well, we have no worse:

Passions of course boiled, but nothing worth it.

[cuzmin.mihail2013]

Just give the ecologists information, right away "The boss is all gone, the client is leaving ...". For any reason, they are ready to raise a fuss, without going into details, and most importantly, without considering the consequences. It's good that there was no panic.

[anfil]

Quote: cuzmin.mihail2013

Just give the ecologists information, right away "The boss is all gone, the client is leaving ...". For any reason, they are ready to raise a fuss, without going into details, and most importantly, without considering the consequences. It's good that there was no panic.

Why raise the noise, look at the radiation background at each station online, now at Leningradskaya 0,2 MKZV / h within the limits of the link:http://www.rosenergoatom.ru/

[Neohumanoyd]

Recently there was news about the shutdown of the first power unit of the Zaporizhzhya NPP ... (for a regular reason not related to an emergency). Guess or read what comments were here ... Because of all these events, I sometimes feel scared where we ourselves are embittered, gloating, writing all sorts of nonsense out of business without understanding ... (I'm not a fan of the new and old Ukrainian authorities and I'm interested in what is happening in neighboring Mongolia, although I live in Moscow) I'm sorry if I'm not right ...

[Wiruz]

If I remember correctly, the shutdown of the Zaporizhzhya NPP unit was caused by "problems" with the reactor, which, in turn, were caused by a stupid unwillingness to cooperate with Russian nuclear scientists.

And here is just a fistula in the pipe

[Neohumanoyd]

We will never know the exact reason, as I understand it, they explained it by turning off the Crimea or loading fuel rods

[DobryAAH]

Go to the Censor, there they will teach you to love Ukraine, that’s where there is anger against us and our president. Everything is clear that there are some Russians, although they call themselves Ukrainians and work for Uncle Sam. But on the other hand, if their tricks did not concern us and our children, we could leave them alone for decay. But this will not happen, they started talking about Georgia that they can accept NATO. Are there territorial claims? So gentlemen will change the rules of admission. How will we interact with our base in Armenia? How will we exist when installing missiles in Ukraine against us?
This can not be? Read.
http://cont.ws/post/165862

So what will Ukrainians pat on the head?

[veksha50]

"claiming that the release is radioactive, at the same time says that measurements of the background radiation near the nuclear power plant show normal values" ...

Let the forum users forgive me or slander me, but, observing the activities of ecologists, it often comes to my mind that in most cases they are not fighting for the purity of the planet, but are fulfilling some orders and creating excessive excitement ...

Look, even the Finns and the Balts have already checked for themselves - and everything is fine with them ...

I hope that the Chernobyl tragedy taught our nuclear scientists a lot ... Although ... so many years have passed without incident, they could have relaxed ...

But technology is technology, it simply cannot function without various breakdowns ... The main thing is that these breakdowns do not carry the nature of a disaster ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: veksha50

Let the forum users forgive me or slander me, but, observing the activities of ecologists, it often comes to my mind that in most cases they are not fighting for the purity of the planet, but are fulfilling some orders and creating excessive excitement ...

First of all, they are fighting for their further financing. Either fulfilling the already received grants, or attracting attention to receive new ones.

[veksha50]

Quote: Alexey RA

they are fighting for their future funding. Or fulfilling already received grants

What am I talking about ??? There, a maximum of 10% of young men and women with a blazing gaze who believe in their activity are engaged in the struggle for the environment ...

And at the helm are burnt businessmen and provocateurs, earning this craft on bread and butter ...

PS All the same, what a person is ... any good deed for the sake of money can bewilder-shit-distort ...

[Manul]

Quote: veksha50

Let the forum users forgive me or slander me, but, observing the activities of ecologists, it often comes to my mind that in most cases they are not fighting for the purity of the planet, but are fulfilling some orders and creating excessive excitement ...

There is even no doubt. Any public organization that can be heard by the people through the media is governed by various political structures. What does it have to do with people everywhere who are really "FOR BUSINESS", but manage all structures that can influence reason-honor-conscience, operational services of Western supervision. Everything is intertwined with these nets.

[Federal]

And that without coverage of events in such smallest details could not be done? Or is everything so serious that they inform the entire population of Russia?

[Manul]

Quote: Federal

And that without coverage of events in such smallest details could not be done? Or is everything so serious that they inform the entire population of Russia?

I think the bottom line is that the liberal media are bustling with us - as an antidote to us.

[Mikhail m]

Well, there are simply no words for these "ecologists". And those that are, the censorship will not miss. There is a release of radioactive vapor, but the background radiation is normal. Well if they are not de-bily
after that, who?

[Jozhkin Cat]

Quote: veksha50

claiming that the release is radioactive, at the same time says that measurements of the radiation background near the nuclear power plant show normal values ​​"...

Well, he didn’t blow the whole pipe for two weeks. steamed a little, it was turned off, the room itself has protection, air filtration. It’s okay, they’ll repair it, they will wash everything with deactivates, and the mustache will be fine.

[1536]

Oh, and now a howl will rise, echo across the planet. "The Russians must shut down all their nuclear power plants ...!" And, most importantly, the crisis in the country ... is over, but where did so many "ecologists" come from? They are waiting, waiting for the bastards for the arrival of the Americans, the shutdown of nuclear power plants, as in the Baltic States and the division of the country into Bayden's destinies!

[Neohumanoyd]

Yes, her .. After Fukushima, do whatever you want ... Millions of tons of radioactive water in the sea ... the consequences are unpredictable ... But our new drilling rigs in the Arctic will not give these ecological gnomes rest ... Greenpeace said at least a word that we, and more precisely, the military in the Arctic Circle removed thousands of tons of garbage (true, but it does not matter), did they even say a word about western ships dumping "unknown" barrels and containers into the ocean off the coast of Somalia ??

[newcomer]

Friends, please forgive a little off topic. fresh news, if anyone is interested, from VPK name. the corporation fired 1500 people just before the new year.

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: newbie

Friends, please forgive a little off topic. fresh news, if anyone is interested, from VPK name. the corporation fired 1500 people just before the new year.

Probably managers .. For every detail 1 "manager" ......

[Vadim237]

Yes, no - just the same workers - a team of 10000 workers for the construction and repair of 100 fighters in the corporation is considered redundant.

[evge-malyshev]

Rather not to answer, but to ask: where does "name" and what is it?

[Vadim237]

The news here is http://vpk.name/news/146533_vzlet_zapreshen_v_kanun_novogo_goda_uvoleno_svyishe_
1500_sotrudnikov_rsk_mig.html

[evge-malyshev]

Rather not to answer, but to ask: where does "name" and what is it?

[Vadim237]

Guys with head and hands I think they will find work.

[79807420129]

Quote: Vadim237

Guys with head and hands I think they will find work.

I will not speak for everyone, I will speak for myself, but many here know about NPO Saturn, so I was laid off in 2002, I was 34 at the time, although before that I had worked for 7 years at the enterprise, but the trick was, "Saturn "in those years, except for aircraft engines, there were no new ones or 1-2 pieces, there was a repair, there was also a diesel engine for Yuzhmash and snowmobiles, so I worked on diesel engines, that's not a specialized diesel engine, and they cut them together with workers, who really went to the main production arranged, some for retirement, some for the labor exchange, I stayed on the exchange for 3 months, got all the redundant ones and went to work in the foundry for the participant, in 2009 when the participant, as they say, dropped everything that was possible, I returned to my native enterprise and still Since then, I work, so that everything in life is striped white and black, whoever wants will always find a job, especially high-class specialists, something like that.

[Barakuda]

Well, plannedly stopped. What's so unusual

[MIKHALYCH1]

Quote: Barracuda

Well, plannedly stopped. What's so unusual

Or maybe your job ...? (joke))))

[vobels]

And the howl from all the striped-starred zhurnalyug and stink will stand up to heaven. And at the station everything will be fine, they are reliable. Although they worked out their own, but there is still enough stock. I am sure.

[newcomer]

no. we are talking about working staff. The newspaper Vestnik Corporation wrote an open letter to the president of the gdp.

[sharp-lad]

Pah, pah, pah! Carried and okay.

[Panabebis]

By the way, there are many ancologically ill patients in Sosnovy Bor (I personally know). Maybe because of this?

[evge-malyshev]

The representative of the organization "Green World" Oleg Bodrov claims that the release is radioactive, because:
Quote: "The station is single-circuit, which means that the entire steam on it radioactive. Another thing is that unknown extent of pollution. At the moment, it is known that the power unit is stopped, and employees are allowed to go home. Urban radioactive sensors show normal background, up to 13 microroentgens per hour ".
The quote confirms the absolute incompetence of the so-called Greens. It is important for them to stir up the people and our Baltic neighbors. But even the neighbors did not react to this provocative "stuffing".

[NDR-791]

In the late 80s he studied in Tomsk. There and then there were 11 (eleven !!!) operating reactors. In the City including !!! Almost in every hut there were X-ray meters and people were periodically checked ... When I was there, there was once an increase in the background (after a fire in the warehouses of the seven), and that was far from fatal. So the howl of any "green pussies" - we will survive.

[bmv04636]

the question is whose steam line was?
On December 15, the opening of a new building for the production of pipelines for nuclear and thermal power plants of Belenergomash-BZEM LLC took place. The volume of investments in the complex amounted to more than 3,5 billion rubles. About 45 new jobs will be created at new production facilities of 500 thousand square meters.
The project was implemented as part of the import substitution program and should become one of the largest and most modern pipeline production facilities in Russia.
Created production has a closed technology, including the manufacture of pipes by electroslag remelting. The annual design production capacity is 18 thousand tons, which will make it possible to almost double the volume of shipped Belenergomash-BZEM products in two years from 2014.
The complex is divided into several technological sections - a pipe production workshop using electroslag remelting method, a procurement section for pipe bending, welding, finishing, control and painting department. Thus, at the end of the flight, the customer will be presented with completely finished products.

[starchina pv]

all a glass for prevention !!!!!!

[stonks]

The most practical advice!

[newcomer]

vpk name is the name of the internet magazine vpk.

[tanit]

Well, what happened? Noticed, turned off, and, in fact, what? The standard situation.
And - notice - provided in advance. In the corresponding instruction.
No, well, no doubt, we'll all die ... (sooner or later, one way or another)
Pitchfork Lyashko crush in your hearts? ("Ash Kloassa knocks on my heart"? (C)

[stonks]

From a statement by Oleg Bodrov:
The station is single-circuit, which means that all the steam on it is radioactive.

People, what happens?
This means that the turbine receives vigorously radioactive superheated steam under ahhhrenitelnoy pressure ?!
It seems to me that this Bodrov is not green, but blue!

So guys, can there be ONE-LINE NPPs?
And what is

in the block of reducing devices of the deaerator.

?????

[stonks]

Quote: Dimy4

Dry saturated steam is non-radioactive,

Steam is the state of aggregation of WATER.
You want to say that WATER, passing through the REACTOR, does not become radioactive ???

[Kelwin]

The activity of water KMPTs 4,0 * 10-7 Bq, this is not at all.

[Mama_Cholli]

For the second year in a row abnormal warm in winter and cold in summer in the central regions of Russia ... Perhaps this is a manifestation of climate weapons, but maybe not.
But the weather generally got ...

[Foxbed]

Heh ... The article is completely off topic ... But ... I read your comments, I liked it! How many people are versed in the Soviet-designed reactors.

[VNP1958PVN]

that the wind in the Leningrad region had a western and north-western direction.

[Russian jacket]

And for me, who works in the power industry, it’s unpleasant news that even nuclear power plants seem to work with fistulas in steam pipelines, and not just thermal power plants. So, we are laughing about Ukraine with its nuclear power plants, while the most efficient managers under the leadership of Kinder surprise cut repair programs for the sake of increasing profits ... Not understanding, or not wanting to understand, that Chernobyl and Fukushima are not toys ...

[tolmachiev51]

Zadolbali media-all shnyaga presented. As a sensation !!! You read the title uncomfortably, but in reality it’s just an empty ring.

[VNP1958PVN]

that the wind in the Leningrad region had a western and north-western direction.

When it comes to labuses, the fans at the border will be placed and they themselves will blow towards Russia!

[komlomal]

3000 mW? Or maybe a megawatt? Or something else?

[Kelwin]

Quote: vanya

stop repeating nonsense; The Chernobyl accident occurred due to the imperfection of the reactor itself, and the operators were blamed as the reactor designer was the head of the minatom

And why did Vanya get so harshly screwed up that it wasn’t ... And anyway, you can chew this nonsense. We go on the eve of and read. There is a VIUR man there - everything in Russian is laid out on the shelves. And here to Wellcome http://www.accidont.ru/

[Bator]

Guys I served in "Sosnyak" in 1986 and went to the 1st May demonstration. And I visited the facility at the Leningrad NPP several times (with a dosimeter). The background in the city was slightly higher than at the station.

[Kelwin]

Moscow, Savvinskaya embankment - in the yard 14, on embankment 18. Personally measured, granite embankment fonit.

[mehanik27]

Granite itself is phonite, granite has an indicator slightly higher than the natural background, but also in tolerance ..