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American intelligence celebrates "new stage" in the development of the Russian fleet

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The Russian fleet is currently under renovation and in 15 years it will become a new naval fleet 21st Century, says the latest report by the US Navy Intelligence Agency, which cites National Interest.




“The Russian military has now begun to reorganize the structure of the personnel of the Navy in order to most closely meet the requirements of modern warfare. On the whole, Russia is making great strides in building a fleet of the twenty-first century capable of providing multi-level national defense, impressive, albeit limited capabilities in the transfer of troops and military equipment, as well as a professional crew. In a sense, (the Russian Navy) will pose an even greater threat than during the days of the Soviet Union ",
quotes a report RIA News.

The authors of the report noted the creation of a "new atomic destroyer" Leader ", designed with a nuclear power plant in accordance with the modified technical project." At first, “it was planned to use a gas turbine power plant, but this technology has remained since Soviet times and is outdated,” the document explains. The ship will combine "the properties of a destroyer and a cruiser, ready for attacks from air and land, and will also have anti-missile defense capabilities," the authors note.

American intelligence celebrates "new stage" in the development of the Russian fleet
Photo layout destroyer "Leader"

The report also draws attention to the creation of a new class of multifunctional submarines that "will fulfill the task of ensuring the combat sustainability of submarines" Yuri Dolgoruky "and solve other tasks." This was announced in 2006 by the head of the department for ordering and supplying ships and military equipment of the Ministry of Defense Anatoly Shlemov.
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Press Service of Sevmash, RIA Novosti
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 18 December 2015 10: 00 New
    79
    Congress intimidation began. They will soon recall the lack of funding. Another justification: the military budget needs to be increased.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 18 December 2015 10: 17 New
      37
      I agree completely. Therefore, do not flatter yourself, they say, even the enemies appreciated.
      1. Bennert
        Bennert 18 December 2015 10: 43 New
        24
        The authors of the report noted the creation of the "new nuclear destroyer" Leader ", designed with a nuclear power plant in accordance with the changed terms of reference."

        I have the same leader at home on a shelf
        "Creation" says out loud first, at least put on the slipway the first mortgage section of the keel
        the report draws attention to the creation of a new class of multi-functional nuclear submarines

        Of the whole “new class,” only Severodvinsk was built, the commissioning of the second nuclear submarine (which has been under construction since 2009) was postponed from 2017 to 2018, the third - when the cancer on the mountain whistles
        1. sa-zz
          sa-zz 18 December 2015 11: 55 New
          +5
          Quote: BENNERT
          Of the whole “new class,” only Severodvinsk was built, the commissioning of the second nuclear submarine (which has been under construction since 2009) was postponed from 2017 to 2018, the third - when the cancer on the mountain whistles

          In the photo handsome, already breathtaking. Unfortunately, I do not have such a layout.
          Not everything is lost. We wish seven feet under the keel (as the sailors say).
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 18 December 2015 12: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: sa-zz
            In the photo handsome, already breathtaking. Unfortunately, I do not have such a layout.
            Not everything is lost. We wish seven feet under the keel (as the sailors say).

            So yes, but the prototype - a secret fan of the Egyptian pyramids - there is simply no other explanation for the insanity on the add-on. Cloths of radars could be placed on the superstructure itself, like on the Berks, okay, they decided to raise them higher - they built a pyramid and raised it, but why two more, and with the radar on top ?? Plus radars on the foremast and on the sides, under the wings of the bridge - a hint that we have not yet completed the Aegis-type BIOS.
            If it were possible - Bennert put a hundred pluses.
            1. sa-zz
              sa-zz 18 December 2015 15: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: lelikas
              Quote: sa-zz
              In the photo handsome, already breathtaking. Unfortunately, I do not have such a layout.
              Not everything is lost. We wish seven feet under the keel (as the sailors say).

              So yes, but the prototype - a secret fan of the Egyptian pyramids - there is simply no other explanation for the insanity on the add-on. Cloths of radars could be placed on the superstructure itself, like on the Berks, okay, they decided to raise them higher - they built a pyramid and raised it, but why two more, and with the radar on top ?? Plus radars on the foremast and on the sides, under the wings of the bridge - a hint that we have not yet completed the Aegis-type BIOS.

              Possessing meager knowledge in this area, I can assume that the shape of add-ons and sides is an element of reducing visibility with satellites and radars. And if there is also special coverage, it is likely that the "stealth" technology will be implemented.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 18 December 2015 20: 38 New
                +3
                Quote: sa-zz
                the shape of add-ons and sides is an element of reducing visibility from satellites

                The wake track should be removed from the satellites and the deck area should be minimized, and not sawed pyramids.
            2. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 18 December 2015 19: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: lelikas
              - There is simply no other explanation for the insanity on the add-on.

              Not from a good life such add-ons, at least cover them with contours, at least do not close them, they will specifically flash.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 18 December 2015 20: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: cherkas.oe
                Not from a good life such add-ons,

                It's all from the fervor of the mind!
                Pay attention to the row of windows (square windows) above the running post. This is the FKP - that is, the flagship KP along the way, in order to admire the sea from a height, so to speak.
                Neither the Ticonderoga, nor Burke, allow such luxury for their flagships. AVU - so there the island is very small in comparison with the size of the airfield.
                So you think: in the 21st century, that TVs will end, and everything will certainly need to be surveyed with your (and) your own (and) “convex naval eye”?
                The Dragon (type 45) has a running post, but FKP is not above it. He is not on Charles, Nimitz ... But on our 1143 (3,5) - he is.
                Apparently this is such a tribute to tradition ... "I sit high, I look far away" - which is understandable even for a hedgehog!
                1. lelikas
                  lelikas 18 December 2015 21: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  "Sitting high, looking far away" - which is understandable and a hedgehog!

                  This is so that the Turkish seiner does not fit on six hundred meters !
                2. Mister22408
                  Mister22408 20 December 2015 23: 09 New
                  +1
                  Maybe losers in secret can not take another project and tear ... drinks
          2. vex
            vex 18 December 2015 14: 27 New
            +6
            The central part is a spilled robot-snowman.) There are not enough carrots on his nose, but maybe it was moved to a lower place?
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 20 December 2015 17: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: vex
              The carrots on his nose aren’t enough, but maybe they moved her much lower?

              The hare is jumping through the forest. Hungry, did not eat for three days. Suddenly he sees a snowman standing. Only a joker stuck a carrot into a snowman, not in the upper ball, but in the lowest one. The hare sat in front of the snowman and thought. Then the snowman asks him: - Are you, oblique, disdain or something?
              lol
          3. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 18 December 2015 17: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: sa-zz
            In the photo handsome, already breathtaking.

            But this model of which ship, who will tell?
          4. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 18 December 2015 20: 00 New
            +5
            Quote: sa-zz
            We wish seven feet under the keel (as the sailors say).

            They say something like this ... That's just what the SHIP wants when launching, and not the LAYOUT on the table ...
            (Uhhh! My tin can be ...
            Oh her in the swamp
            I live like a toadstool
            And I fly, and I fly, and I fly
            HUNTING!)
          5. Dewa1s
            Dewa1s 21 December 2015 08: 22 New
            0
            In the photo a freak, made in a drunken stupor.
            It looks even worse than an American iron.
      2. maks-101
        maks-101 18 December 2015 10: 44 New
        0
        The main thing in this article is that the Americans greatly underestimate the potential of RUSSIA.
        Russia can and a lot can do what America cannot. They think there only with money and not very soberly, and we are drunk, not washed and not democratic. Russia does not obey them (for example, we Indians are navels)
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 18 December 2015 10: 49 New
          +8
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          The main thing in this article is that the Americans greatly underestimate the potential of RUSSIA.
          Russia can and a lot can do what America cannot. They think there only with money and not very soberly, and we are drunk, not washed and not democratic. Russia does not obey them (for example, we Indians are navels)

          At the moment, they overestimate it, for the reasons indicated, in the comments above. About the Leader in general, except that development is underway, nothing is known. We still cannot pass frigate 22350. This leader can build another 10 years. 3 Borea and 1 Ash in our next few years. Then they will be commissioned, but it is clear that piece by piece. With surface ships, generally a pipe. Engines are only going to be manufactured by 2018, and what will happen at the output is still unknown.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 18 December 2015 19: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            . 3 Borea and 1 Ash in our next few years. Then they will be commissioned, but it is clear that piece by piece. With surface ships, generally a pipe. Engines are only going to be manufactured by 2018, and what will happen at the output is still unknown.

            But diesel submarines are good. There are already 2 submarines on the Black Sea, there will be only 7 (6 Varshavyanka and 1 project Halibut Alrosa).
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 18 December 2015 21: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
              But diesel submarines are good.
              Bye - go.
              But this is the last 3rd generation. Now everyone is switching to NPL (Dolphins, 212/214, A-19, Scorpienas, etc.)
              But our Kalina ... until brought to condition. But judging by the silence on the air, it’s not very ...
              Amy are also interested in looking at this direction in the construction of the submarine fleet. An example is Swedish Gotland.
              In any case, the most interesting is ahead.
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 20 December 2015 11: 24 New
                0
                Quote: BoA KAA
                But our Kalina ... until brought to condition.

                It seems that there’s not even a finished Kalina project yet. It is unlikely that the first submarine will descend from the slipway before 2018-2020, and Kalina is also called the 5th generation submarine.
                Frets are currently under construction (2nd ones are under construction + 6 submarines are planned for construction).
        2. larand
          larand 18 December 2015 11: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          The main thing in this article is that the Americans greatly underestimate the potential of RUSSIA.
          Russia can and a lot can do what America cannot. They think there only with money and not soberly ...

          Oh, something that the "Chinese brothers" after Medvedev left, in their main newspaper gave an analysis that the Russian Federation is in a strategic impasse. The industry is written deindustrialized, with a \ x in decline. Who is right - "partners" or "brothers"? Maybe Medvedev said something wrong there?
          1. Altona
            Altona 18 December 2015 12: 41 New
            +4
            Quote: larand
            Oh, something that the "Chinese brothers" after Medvedev left, in their main newspaper gave an analysis that the Russian Federation is in a strategic impasse. The industry is written deindustrialized, with a \ x in decline. Who is right - "partners" or "brothers"? Maybe Medvedev said something wrong there?

            ---------------------
            The truth is right in the middle. Some enterprises have survived, some have been completely lost, some have been rebuilt on a new technological base — laser cutting, precision casting, CNC machining. But Russia also has not the same opportunities as the USSR. Not even in terms of money, but personnel and research centers were, for example, in Ukraine. As well as the production base and more ...
          2. Pirogov
            Pirogov 18 December 2015 18: 38 New
            +1
            Correctly the Chinese write! What is the need after the Olympics, immediately the World Cup to hold football there and industry,
        3. Bennert
          Bennert 18 December 2015 11: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          Russia can and a lot can do what America cannot. They think there only with money and not soberly, and we are drunk, not washed and not democratic. Russia does not obey them

          Eka shook you
        4. Atrix
          Atrix 18 December 2015 11: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          The main thing in this article is that the Americans greatly underestimate the potential of RUSSIA.

          What are they underestimating ??? There are developments that went massively into the army, I'm not talking about 5-10 pieces, but in series as it was in the USSR.
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          Russia can and a lot can do what America cannot.

          And America can that Russia will never be able and what ???
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          They think there only with money and not soberly, and we are drunk, not washed and not democratic. Russia does not obey them (for example, we Indians are navels)

          I will disappoint you that Russia thinks just the same way with money, and maybe even more than America.
          1. Dewa1s
            Dewa1s 21 December 2015 08: 37 New
            0
            Serially, as it was in the USSR - this is when they rivet 2-3 tanks a day for 20 years and then leave this whole thing to rot in the open?
            Thank you, we do not need such seriality.
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        6. Kyrgyz
          Kyrgyz 18 December 2015 18: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          The main thing in this article is that the Americans greatly underestimate the potential of RUSSIA.
          Russia can and a lot can do what America cannot.

          Just not at sea, our fleet is incomparably weaker
        7. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 18 December 2015 21: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          we are drunk, not washed and not democratic Russia do not obey them (for example, we Indians they are navels)
          Oh how! Cheered, however!
          But let's do it in order.
          1. Drunk, unwashed - advice: get drunk and go to the bathhouse! - let go. Fresh thoughts and fresh thoughts will come!
          2. Not democratic ... Yes, Russia is 1000 times more democratic than the US! We directly elect the President and the highest bodies of state power ... And * exceptional * are so wretched that they entrust the so-called "electors" to do this for themselves. Which are bought as a radish, those who have more money.
          3. "We are Indians" - well, then everything is clear!
          Only me - RUSSIAN! They will die at the appointed time by the Almighty. And the Sioux tribe - fiery ethnographic greetings!
          4. "They are navels" (?????) And why would suddenly? They shout all the time about "asses!" Maybe you messed up something?
          PS.
          This, of course, is all banter. But, at least occasionally, you need to think, even on Fridays, coming home from the garage! yes
          1. Mister22408
            Mister22408 20 December 2015 23: 24 New
            0
            p.3 Set off! Sioux - which are lost (and from the good of the elder) in the rangers are added ... But you need to have an ax for firewood.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 18 December 2015 19: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: unwillingly
        Therefore, do not flatter yourself, they say, even the enemies appreciated.
        Yeah ... Money, power, personnel, cooperation, will and determination ... Finally, approved projects of "conquerors of the sea" ...
        Well, who would doubt it !!!
        Our "huge plans" are tied to 2020, and the Amas seem to more realistically believe that
        Russian fleet ... in 15 years it will become the new navy of the 21st century,
        that is, by 2030.
        Apparently they believe that 70% of new ships can be achieved only by putting the old ones under the knife, not modernizing them, as we are doing now, but exclusively at the expense of new buildings ...
        There’s a photo of the Leader’s AEM as an example ...
        Or maybe they found out a terrible military secret that the Malchish-Kibalchish did not tell the bourgeois !?
        And our shipyard will magically raise the surface fleet from the "backwater"?
        Why am I writing this? - "A lot of knowledge - a lot of sadness"
      4. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 19 December 2015 20: 53 New
        0
        Quote: unwillingly
        I agree completely. Therefore, do not flatter yourself, they say, even the enemies appreciated.

        Stalin in such cases said: "If the enemy praises us, then we have something to strive for."
    2. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 18 December 2015 11: 10 New
      -3
      It is obvious. Although the NATO fleet already respected the Russian fleet, many even ceased to call our fleet "rusty and rotten", the remainder of the Soviet Navy .... wait 15-20 years, let's return to this topic ..... the Russian Navy will be the strongest, even if will be inferior in numbers.
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 18 December 2015 18: 43 New
        +1
        Well, you're an optimistic brother.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 18 December 2015 11: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: oleg-gr
      Congress intimidation began. They will soon recall the lack of funding. Another justification: the military budget needs to be increased.

      The Americans are so predictable, it’s interesting that they are now writing on the subject of how America will respond to the new Russian Caliber and X-101 missiles ??? There probably all the shelves are crammed with horror stories about these missiles with a demand to immediately take measures to overcome the American backlog !! laughing
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 18 December 2015 11: 29 New
        0
        Quote: APASUS
        I wonder what is being written on the subject than America will respond to the new Russian Caliber missile and X-101 ???

        What, what they write: Obama la la la la .... laughing
      2. Atrix
        Atrix 18 December 2015 12: 04 New
        0
        Quote: APASUS
        new Russian rocket "Caliber" and X-101

        And what is so special about them ??? How are they superior to Tomahawk Block IV or AGM-158B JASSM-ER ???
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 18 December 2015 12: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Atrix
          How are they superior to Tomahawk Block IV or AGM-158B JASSM-ER ???

          The fact that the X-101 flies four and a half thousand kilometers. laughing
          AGM-158B JASSM-ER range 980 km, and Tomahawk Block IV approximately 2 thousands.
          Minor difference .. true. repeat
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 19 December 2015 20: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Sid.74
            Quote: Atrix
            How are they superior to Tomahawk Block IV or AGM-158B JASSM-ER ???

            The fact that the X-101 flies four and a half thousand kilometers. laughing
            AGM-158B JASSM-ER range 980 km, and Tomahawk Block IV approximately 2 thousands.
            Minor difference .. true. repeat

            Non-nuclear X-101 flies for 5000 km, and nuclear X-102 for 5500 km. It is only a pity that a completely extendable engine increases radar visibility.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 18 December 2015 19: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Atrix
          Quote: APASUS
          new Russian rocket "Caliber" and X-101

          And what is so special about them ??? How are they superior to Tomahawk Block IV or AGM-158B JASSM-ER ???

          Under the INF Treaty, we with the United States destroyed all ground-based missiles, and the Americans remained sea and air based. And in terms of performance characteristics they really surpass the American ones, but this is not the case.
      3. Mister22408
        Mister22408 20 December 2015 23: 31 New
        0
        But what is the fear, with a fixed amount in the country of sbc? Given that the mass layouts do not coincide with the center of gravity of the br and kr? The withdrawal to kr is "... nya" complete ...
    4. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 18 December 2015 11: 45 New
      +4
      This is a whole program; Navy - scare; Air Force - scare; EW means - scare; re-equipment of strategic missile forces - scare; they pulled out EMI weapons, hypersonic devices (which the United States would threaten tomorrow), anti-satellite weapons - as if they themselves weren’t doing anything like that. am

      Congress tends to curb appetites; how to do without intimidation.
      1. Mister22408
        Mister22408 20 December 2015 23: 34 New
        0
        Yes, there sometimes an enemy “X- ..” with a filling hanging in orbit dangles, half-life of which does not excite only cockroaches and rats. hi
    5. Warrior of Russia
      Warrior of Russia 18 December 2015 11: 46 New
      0
      I agree, the intimidation of members of Congress to increase appropriations for the US Armed Forces.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 December 2015 15: 26 New
      +2
      The article is good, no doubt, it’s always nice to be praised, but the capabilities of the Russian Navy are very far from the Soviet Navy, now of course the weapons that were 20-30 years old are obsolete but at that time it was one of the best in the world, and now our The Navy mainly uses the reserve of that time, in the total number of ships, in ships of rank 1-2, aircraft-carrying cruisers, etc. we are far behind the USSR. But the Leader project is only on paper so far, and all plans after 2020, so there’s no need to talk about its construction and series, especially considering the situation in the economy. The only thing we are not inferior to is in submarines, and as for ships of large displacement, we seriously lag behind even China and there is nothing to say about the USA. The article, like the report of the naval intelligence department, has one goal: to knock money out of Congress for the fleet, so there is no need to harbor illusions about the recognition of our fleet
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 December 2015 15: 28 New
      0
      The future of the Navy is autonomy and stealth combined with destructive power. The age of aircraft carriers is drawing to a close. The ideal of the 21st century at sea is a silent submarine cruiser with missile weapons and an immersion depth of up to 5000 meters, with autonomy up to 60 days and an underwater range of 4000 nautical miles.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 18 December 2015 16: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        silent submarine cruiser with missile weapons and an immersion depth of up to 5000 meters,
        Sorry, not a single diver can withstand such a depth, not like a submarine - drones if only
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 18 December 2015 21: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        The future of the Navy ...

        There is no prophet in his Fatherland! (C)
        1. But the Amy (lawmakers of aircraft carrier fashion) that the age of AVU is coming to an end - and they don’t know ... The poor people are riveting and riveting their super-aircraft carriers!
        2. The ideal of you, dear, well, looks very much like a bathyscaphe. Losharik is essentially also an articulated bathyscaphe.
        And now, attention, the question is: inside the weapon, based on the pressure per square centimeter of the carrier’s body, it’s not possible to place it (500 mm thick body, who needs it, what for!); Friends at 5000m depth (?) Well, who can handle such a press! So what kind of * ideal * is this you get !?
        3. Autonomy up to 60 days? Why not 30 or 20? The milestone of 120 days for atomic carriers is long gone. And it is determined only by the reserves of provisions and the psychological aspects of l / s (crew).
        4. 4000 nautical miles - no doubt a lot! But what to do with underwater cruisers that make round the world without surfacing?
        Thus, your TTZ parameters for the development of the ship of the future are not accepted!
        Yours faithfully, hi
    8. Sirs
      Sirs 20 December 2015 14: 58 New
      0
      No need la la !!! The people are smart there! By the way, you gave a debt7
    9. Mih
      Mih 20 December 2015 20: 56 New
      0
      the budget needs to be increased.
      good
      But how to survive? Onizh, copper helmets, will go around the world. laughing
  2. kote119
    kote119 18 December 2015 10: 01 New
    11
    unfortunately, the Leader only in the drawings and in the mock-ups is executed, and when it will be in the iron is not clear.
    1. Good_Taxist
      Good_Taxist 18 December 2015 10: 13 New
      +3
      Unfortunately, the Leader is only in the drawings and layouts, and when it will be in the iron is not clear.

      No regrets - everything has its time .....
    2. Performance
      Performance 18 December 2015 10: 14 New
      +2
      I'd love it to become a reality. We have the most beautiful and truly formidable aircraft. And we need beautiful, and in the sense of perfection, large ships, nevertheless it is very symbolic, and as it turned out there is a need, it is necessary to project power, it is useful. And when it is beautiful and powerful - doubly useful.
    3. rudolff
      rudolff 18 December 2015 10: 39 New
      +4
      Unfortunately, there is no Leader in the Thursdays yet, the design is not finished. And in the photo is a model of the Krylovsky Flurry. According to Flurry, there is only an “export look” and it was not planned to be adopted by the Navy.
  3. Izotovp
    Izotovp 18 December 2015 10: 03 New
    0
    Something about the Leader’s superstructure is very high belay
    Interestingly, and transport submarines in the interests of the Navy considered?
    1. kote119
      kote119 18 December 2015 10: 08 New
      +1
      considered, it came to the design stage (50-60 years), but then the views changed. And so were the projects of landing, transport and landing submarines.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 18 December 2015 10: 17 New
        0
        Thank you, sorry for the little information.
        1. spravochnik
          spravochnik 18 December 2015 10: 44 New
          0
          Why not enough, very much on the Internet and in print media. Look and find.
    2. Extraneous
      Extraneous 18 December 2015 10: 15 New
      0
      It seems to me that in this add-on there are observation and fire control posts, traditionally sent in the Russian Navy closer to the top. Plus all sorts of electronic countermeasures systems. Just on our modern ships, all this is open to all winds and detection radars, and this project is designed with an emphasis on reducing the number of reflective surfaces and different reflection angles, which reduces the possibility of radar detection.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 18 December 2015 10: 23 New
        +2
        I understand that everything was removed there, but I’m not even talking about the center of gravity, but about the aerodynamics of this pagoda. Was it blown for wind load? Still, the big burdock of the radar is a grill, and here is a hull system.
        1. Extraneous
          Extraneous 18 December 2015 10: 32 New
          0
          This configuration in the sense of aerodynamics is much more practical than sticking out in all directions antenna arrays and tower guidance posts.
          1. uge.garik
            uge.garik 18 December 2015 11: 30 New
            +1
            ... and about high latitudes, do not forget about icing ...
        2. spravochnik
          spravochnik 18 December 2015 10: 46 New
          +1
          Calm down, this is a project of the Krylov Institute, which has never been involved in real design. The Northern Design Bureau is engaged in real design, and its design will be very different from the one presented.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 18 December 2015 10: 03 New
    +3
    The Russian fleet is currently in the process of being renewed and in 15 years it will become the 21 century's new navy, according to the latest report of the US Navy Intelligence Agency, which National Interest reports.


    I want to believe in it (and it’s always nice to read an assessment of our potential enemy), but we’ll be better realistic ... where to get money for the construction of technologically advanced ships ... from what sources will it all be financed?
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 18 December 2015 10: 24 New
      +3
      It seems to me - after Putin we will have a leader of a dictatorial type who will have to rebuild the entire system of governing the country. Putin is the preparatory phase. That is why the security forces are so calmly now treating various liberal and extremist manifestations in the country, although they are slowly tightening the screws. We will need a reason to tighten power and for this we will wait for attempts to organize a new coup in the country.
      There is money. All countries, if you notice, are trying to rearm by the 20th year. We are waiting for the war.
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 18 December 2015 10: 58 New
        0
        Tough and ingenious, if the predictions of the Orthodox saints and elders are fulfilled. Everyone else will be afraid.
  5. venaya
    venaya 18 December 2015 10: 03 New
    +2
    The Russian military has now begun reorganizing the structure of the Navy personnel to most closely meet the requirements of modern warfare.

    Though from this end we will try to get leadership. This, of course, is not enough, but at least one has to start with something.
  6. OMEDB
    OMEDB 18 December 2015 10: 03 New
    +3
    Of course, I am proud of our fleet, but it seems to us far away ... 10 years is not enough! There would be 20 such “Leaders” (at least)!
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 18 December 2015 10: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: OMEDB
      we are still far away ... 10 years is not enough! Such "Leaders" we would have 20 things (least)!



      With such appetites, 30 years is not enough ... We need money, production facilities, competent, qualified shipbuilding personnel, personnel ...

      PS Moscow requires a major overhaul and modernization, and soon Peter will also get in line ... If there were at least a couple of such Leaders - even holes could be plugged ... And 5-6 is generally a beauty ...

      And you talked about twenty ... At present-it's just utopia ....
      1. OMEDB
        OMEDB 18 December 2015 10: 44 New
        +1
        Well this is me, dream hi They say dreams come true wink
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 18 December 2015 12: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: OMEDB
      Photo of the destroyer Leader layout

      In the photo is not the Leader, but the export version with a gas turbine power plant destroyer Shkval ..
      Here is the destroyer Leader:
      1. Simple
        Simple 18 December 2015 18: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Here is the destroyer Leader:

        This is a model one of the options project destroyer Ave. 21956 Northern Design Bureau 2008 development IMDS-2009, St. Petersburg, July 2009




        Quote: NEXUS
        r, and the export version with a gas turbine power plant destroyer Shkval ..

        Yes. The promising destroyer “Flurry” of the 23560 project at IMDS-2015


        On the other hand:
        Image of a promising destroyer of 23560E Avenue from a poster at the Army-2015 exhibition, Moscow, 17.06.2015

        ==================
        R&D "Leader" is a project of a promising destroyer of the ocean zone.
        In my opinion it is about the same thing.
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 20 December 2015 01: 01 New
      0
      Quote: OMEDB
      There would be 20 such “Leaders” (at least)!

      The century of large surface warships has long passed, for the money you can build a colony on the moon and fly away what for.
    4. Dewa1s
      Dewa1s 21 December 2015 08: 45 New
      0
      why not 200? Why not 2000? And it’s better to have two millenes, so that all seven seas in destroyers. Then there would be a blunder ...
  7. Simon
    Simon 18 December 2015 10: 07 New
    -5
    That the American intelligence jaw dropped and his eyes hatched in surprise. belay Let the back of your head scratch recourse It's only the beginning. tongue laughing good
  8. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 18 December 2015 10: 07 New
    0
    Good destroyer "Leader".
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 18 December 2015 12: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: PatriotKZ
      Good destroyer "Leader".

      In fact, this ship is difficult to attribute to the class of destroyers, since the displacement is 15-18 thousand tons and the nuclear power plant is more likely to classify it as a class of cruisers (ARC) hi
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 18 December 2015 12: 52 New
        0
        "Leader" is traditionally a separate class of ships. Intermediate between destroyers and cruisers. As a rule, ships of this class are units. Should be used as flagship destroyer units.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 18 December 2015 12: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Stranger
          "Leader" is traditionally a separate class of ships. Intermediate between destroyers and cruisers. As a rule, ships of this class are units. Should be used as flagship destroyer units.

          No ... it's an arsenal ship by and large. And it’s closer to the class of nuclear missile cruisers.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 18 December 2015 22: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            No ... it's an arsenal ship by and large. And it’s closer to the class of nuclear missile cruisers.
            Judging by the statements and the degree of concern of the country's leadership on the issue of naval missile defense, the Leader will become its basis. It seems to me that this seems like the truth.
            Although, who knows them, the modern military! They have seven Fridays for weeks and 13 months a year!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 18 December 2015 22: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: BoA KAA
              Judging by the statements and the degree of concern of the country's leadership on the issue of naval missile defense, the Leader will become its basis. It seems to me that this seems like the truth.

              Partly possible ... but, a number of questions arise
              1 How many Leaders are planned to build and for how long.
              2 How much financially can we afford these ships, given the fact that it is necessary to build submarines and corvettes and frigates ..
              3 Only for naval missile defense are they needed or to accompany and protect future aircraft carriers.
              4 What weapons will be on these ships
              5 Will we build TARKs by building these ARKs.
              6 Will lighter (really) destroyers with a gas turbine power plant be built for our fleet.
  9. izya top
    izya top 18 December 2015 10: 07 New
    +2
    and intelligence, as usual, from social networks?
  10. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 18 December 2015 10: 07 New
    0
    Patriotism in me supports the military-industrial complex ...
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 18 December 2015 10: 19 New
      0
      In me too. I wonder what supports the workers of the military-industrial complex themselves. Maybe price tags and tariffs?
  11. Engineer
    Engineer 18 December 2015 10: 12 New
    +1
    This is not a Leader layout. This is a model of the Krylov Central Research Institute of Export Destroyer not with YaSU. But the leader is Severnoe Design Bureau and he will be with YaSU.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 18 December 2015 10: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      This is not a Leader layout
      It would be necessary to mention this in the caption to the photo, otherwise people are discussing the ship’s add-on with might and main, and this, it turns out, is completely off topic.
  12. fa2998
    fa2998 18 December 2015 10: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: kote119
    The leader is only in the drawings and in the mock-ups, and when it will be in the iron is not clear.

    And maybe there’s no time. Another five years they will show the layout, then the performance characteristics will become obsolete and a new project will start. We have an amazing country — a country of corvettes and patrol ships. Well, a bunch of projects of small ships (boats). I'm not talking about large ships - when we begin to build destroyers! hi
    1. kote119
      kote119 18 December 2015 10: 50 New
      +1
      yes, I agree with you, there is such a sin in our military - political elite.
  13. moskowit
    moskowit 18 December 2015 10: 17 New
    +1
    Well, my friends, let's try to believe the speakers.
  14. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 18 December 2015 10: 20 New
    +3
    Really? Peacock finished self-esteem and paid attention to others ... Tremble, aspids! And we’ll seek money for this matter.
  15. Foxbed
    Foxbed 18 December 2015 10: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Congress intimidation began. They will soon recall the lack of funding. Another justification: the military budget needs to be increased.

    Intimidate, don’t intimidate, money is limited. There are too many military bases around the world and AUG in the oceans. Even such a huge budget is not enough for everything. Yes, and every year the budget is accepted with a huge deficit. And our fellows. Well done! It’s hard, but -try! hi
    1. PPD
      PPD 18 December 2015 10: 45 New
      +1
      Exactly! All empires fell apart not because of enemy influence, but because of exorbitant
      spending on military toys. And because of stupid ambitions like we are a superpower!
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 December 2015 10: 23 New
    0
    Yes, they’re not even afraid of norms, but simply taken into account.
    Well, such as how we take into account the American missile defense system at our borders.
    Only here to such a "Leader" and "retinue" should be worthy.
    So, for a smaller class, we would have to learn how to build ships well.
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 18 December 2015 10: 29 New
      +2
      The "leader" does not need a retinue, by and large. This is a multi-purpose ship capable of performing tasks independently.
      Actually, it seems to me that the farther - the less significant surface ships will be. Too vulnerable. In this sense, the development of the submarine fleet is more promising.
  17. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 18 December 2015 10: 26 New
    0
    Since the times of Empress Catherine II, the Russian fleet has been the strongest in the world. He did not give up his positions in the USSR. So why in the modern world do we not take a leading position ?! I believe that our Navy will be on top!
    1. bedinvlad
      bedinvlad 18 December 2015 12: 05 New
      +3
      Really? As far as I know. the strongest in the world at that time was only English. Which alone could withstand any fleet of another power. And all the others, including Russia, did not have such an opportunity.
  18. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 18 December 2015 10: 39 New
    +1
    The "Leader" add-on was clearly taking a walk. It seems that the layout was made by designers from Yudashkin, and not sailors and shipbuilders.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 18 December 2015 12: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: TBM - 75
      The "Leader" add-on was clearly taking a walk. It seems that the layout was made by designers from Yudashkin, and not sailors and shipbuilders.

      This is not a Leader, but a Flurry ... hi
  19. prorab_ak
    prorab_ak 18 December 2015 10: 43 New
    +3
    This article is a junk. It’s some kind of a jumble of excerpts of various articles and statements taken out of context, not a single specific source or confirming fact ... a set of unfounded statements ... the insertion of the Ministry of Defense procurement official at the end of 2006 was especially amused wassat
    On what else to expect from RIA NEWS ??? lol
  20. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 18 December 2015 10: 44 New
    0
    Pentagoners howled to scare fear at their sponsors and the White House administration in order to increase finances. But is there even more to inflate the Pentagon's military budget? Oh, how hard and terrible this vile country will be when their greatness begins to crumble
  21. Navy7981
    Navy7981 18 December 2015 10: 48 New
    0
    Handsome !!!!! God grant that he would come true.
  22. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 18 December 2015 11: 01 New
    +1
    Ours is right that the submarine fleet is being built first. Stealth and power - in one bottle.
  23. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 18 December 2015 11: 18 New
    0
    We are able to make mockups! And they know how well. Even retrofit a radio control system and water. From afar, without the visibility of the coast and for a full-size one can be taken. Here are just real warships built for many years and do not keep up with the natural decline. Industrial enterprises need to be restored, and not to finish off those that have it. (Omsk tank, etc.)
  24. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 18 December 2015 11: 35 New
    0
    Well, if noted, things will go well
  25. KOH
    KOH 18 December 2015 11: 47 New
    0
    About two years ago, I argued here on the site that our tanks are not rusty, and that modern equipment comes to the troops, how much I was wasted in vain, now I can say just according to Putin ... "we’ve repeatedly we’ll surprise them ... ", so there is no need to panic, about the same" Leader ", they took you and laid out everything, when and what, our" partners "slept in time, when it was possible to bend Russia, (late 90s , beginning 00x), and as they say the train, in the form of "Stiletto", or "Sarmat", has already left ...))))) laughing
  26. NordUral
    NordUral 18 December 2015 11: 49 New
    0
    The main thing is that our teeth do not speak.
  27. Black
    Black 18 December 2015 11: 53 New
    0
    One recalls the very naval - "In reality, it is not at all like it really is!"
  28. Lissyara
    Lissyara 18 December 2015 12: 06 New
    0
    Quote: BENNERT
    I have the same leader at home on a shelf

    And what? With the reactor?
    On the whole, the American is right; Severodvinsk was built and rebuilt from 1993. We ourselves know what times they lived. Here I published an article about K-306, so under Leonid Ilyich the boats were “baked like pies”. In 1967, it was laid down, in 1969 it became part of the Northern Fleet.
    But the most important thing is that they will be built!
  29. Wolka
    Wolka 18 December 2015 12: 17 New
    -1
    judging by the layout of the boat the project is really a bit old
  30. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 December 2015 12: 27 New
    -3
    The Americans decided to touch rosogin. The creation of a “fleet of the 21st century” by the 30s of the same century, from ships of the century of the past, is a mockery. By this time, the Americans will actually have a 21st-century fleet of unmanned reconnaissance and strike ships, and here rozogin opa - reports on the descent of the atomic Primakov, handsome. Not to mention the fact that each of our submarines will be continuously accompanied by a couple of UAVs.
    The civilized world has developed digital for the last 40 years, computers, programs, investments have yielded results - the possibility of wide automation and some autonomy. Initially, all this was used in the most advanced field, where money did not matter - space. Now begins the massive introduction of technology in all areas, including the military.
    We have no success, the last few years are trying to "revive" ie at least return to the level of the USSR the most basic technologies and industries. Along the way, it turned out that even "this technology has remained from the time of the USSR and is obsolete" gas turbine units and diesel engines of all the necessary nomenclature are not produced in the country.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 December 2015 23: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Initially, all this was used in the most advanced field, where money did not matter - space.
      It is in the space field that investments are needed like nowhere else!
      A simple example. International Space Station (ISS). The cost of creating and maintaining the station in working condition, according to approximate estimates of experts, has already exceeded $ 150 billion. The cost of the ISS does not fit into any previous framework. So, the Soviet Union spent $ 4,1 billion on the Mir station, and only $ 3 billion on the Skylab orbital station.
      The Apollo program. The United States National Aerospace Agency (NASA) spent about $ 26 billion.
      System "Energy" - "Buran". For 14 years, 16 billion Soviet (those more) rubles were invested in the creation of the Soviet shuttle.
      American GPS. Created for military purposes, it cost the state $ 12 billion.
      The James Webb Space Telescope. The real cost of the project has already reached $ 4,5 billion.
      http://www.rbc.ru/society/06/04/2011/571281.shtml
      Quote: chunga-changa
      We have no success

      I don’t know how you do, but Russia does. Incidentally, Putin spoke about this at his press conference. (Aviadviglo PD-14, the world's best nuclear power plants, unsurpassed heat-resistant materials, etc.).
  31. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 18 December 2015 13: 07 New
    -1
    Creation cannot appreciate the creator .. The West is taken to evaluate our level, while they themselves are behind us! It’s ridiculous.
  32. Old26
    Old26 18 December 2015 13: 26 New
    0
    Quote: maks-xnumx
    The main thing in this article is that the Americans greatly underestimate the potential of RUSSIA.
    Russia can and a lot can do what America cannot. They think there only with money and not very soberly, and we are drunk, not washed and not democratic. Russia does not obey them (for example, we Indians are navels)

    We also underestimate the potential of the United States and sometimes overestimate our own. And about the "unwashed" and other things. Do not equate the cries of politicians and the media and those who really make decisions based on intelligence

    Quote: Alexey-74
    The Russian Navy will be the strongest, even if it is inferior in numbers.

    Logical mismatch. It will be the strongest, even if it is inferior in number. Development goes in close ways and it is impossible to create a ship that will be several times superior to similar ships on the other side.

    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Congress intimidation began. They will soon recall the lack of funding. Another justification: the military budget needs to be increased.

    The Americans are so predictable, it’s interesting that they are now writing on the subject of how America will respond to the new Russian Caliber and X-101 missiles ??? There probably all the shelves are crammed with horror stories about these missiles with a demand to immediately take measures to overcome the American backlog !! laughing

    To the "new" Russian rocket? I think nothing. Unless they release another modification of their similar rocket, which is already a quarter century old. As for the anti-ship - they are already working on it. But about X101 - yes, the Americans need to either restore the production of those destroyed, or design a new one

    Quote: Izotovp
    Thank you, sorry for the little information.

    Hammer in the search engine "Storm of the Depth" and find everything your heart desires (regarding boats)
  33. Donfrog
    Donfrog 18 December 2015 13: 30 New
    -2
    Notably licked laughing
  34. linen
    linen 19 December 2015 13: 20 New
    0
    Build! To build! Slowly and very high quality! The most modern, the most advanced in these projects!
  35. rov81
    rov81 20 December 2015 14: 07 New
    +1
    It’s time to restore the surface fleet, not to rely on submarines alone! We need ships not only for effective responses to threats from our "partners", but also to demonstrate the strength and power of the Russian fleet at any point in the world accessible to ships !!!
  36. roma-belij
    roma-belij 20 December 2015 17: 46 New
    0
    We would have more money for this whole thing (((
  37. Tu-214R
    Tu-214R 20 December 2015 17: 53 New
    0
    With such an add-on, it is somewhat similar to the Japanese dreadnought Yamato.
  38. RussCommunist
    RussCommunist 21 December 2015 06: 45 New
    0
    American intelligence? laughing )))))) OR OUR LIBERALS? LODIES and UHImoscow lol