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The first batch of Mistral 3 anti-aircraft missiles arrived in Estonia

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Estonia became the first foreign country to receive French anti-aircraft missiles of the new generation Mistral 3, which are designed to hit targets at low and medium altitudes, reports MIC with reference to the press service of the Estonian Defense Ministry.




"Rockets with new engines are capable of hitting targets at a greater height and with greater speed; they are able to separate true targets from false ones," the release says.

“The purchase of new anti-aircraft missiles is important for enhancing Estonia’s defense capability for many reasons, since the current means of air transportation are capable of flying in various weather conditions at low altitudes, the targets are getting smaller and have increased means of protection,” Harles said. Koska.

The contract with the manufacturing company MBDA was concluded in March of 2015. In addition to anti-aircraft guns, Estonia also receives anti-tank missiles MILAN from the same manufacturer.

For the first time, Mistral rockets of an earlier modification were delivered to Estonia in 2009. Now they are in service with air defense forces in 30 countries.

The first batch of Mistral 3 anti-aircraft missiles arrived in Estonia
Startup calculation of Mistral MANPADS (archival photo)

Two Mistral rockets on a beam carrier of a Eurocopter Tigre HAP helicopter of the French ground forces

The system "Mistral" on the ship
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  1. Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath 17 December 2015 20: 08
    +9
    I'm afraid they won't help Estonians. With the Estonian "slowness" only at the planes and shoot, as half an hour ago flew
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 17 December 2015 20: 13
      +5
      Quote: Lord of Wrath
      I'm afraid they won't help Estonians. With the Estonian "slowness" only at the planes and shoot, as half an hour ago flew

      Well, okay, let them feel "great" when they could bark at Russia! We take it calmly! laughing Until they shoot ...
      Then too ...
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 17 December 2015 20: 52
        +8
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Well, okay, let them feel like "great"

        .. Mistral is MANPADS .. Great Estam, Large MANPADS .. laughing
        TTH:
        Lesion area, m:
        - range 500-6000
        - height 5-3000
        The maximum speed of the hit targets, km / h - 1500
        Rocket flight speed, M - 2.6
        Flight time at maximum range, s - 14
        The length of the rocket, mm - 1860
        The diameter of the rocket, mm - 90
        Rocket launch weight, kg - 18.7
        The weight of the warhead, kg - 3
        The weight of the explosive charge of the warhead, kg - 1
        Rocket weight in TPK, kg - 24
        Temperature range for combat use from -45 ° C to + 70 ° C
        .. Here is the weight of the rocket in the TPC indicated, but how much does the launch machine weigh ?! .. that is the question ?! on the picture !!!! .. laughing laughing laughing
        1. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 18 December 2015 00: 10
          +1
          Quote: Inok10
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          Well, okay, let them feel like "great"

          .. Mistral is MANPADS .. Great Estam, Large MANPADS .. laughing
          TTH:
          Lesion area, m:
          - range 500-6000
          - height 5-3000
          The maximum speed of the hit targets, km / h - 1500
          Rocket flight speed, M - 2.6
          Flight time at maximum range, s - 14
          The length of the rocket, mm - 1860
          The diameter of the rocket, mm - 90
          Rocket launch weight, kg - 18.7
          The weight of the warhead, kg - 3
          The weight of the explosive charge of the warhead, kg - 1
          Rocket weight in TPK, kg - 24
          Temperature range for combat use from -45 ° C to + 70 ° C
          .. Here is the weight of the rocket in the TPC indicated, but how much does the launch machine weigh ?! .. that is the question ?! on the picture !!!! .. laughing laughing laughing



          The Pentagon made a gift to the Chukhites for the new year - gave a box of firecrackers for 10 volleys!
        2. midivan
          midivan 18 December 2015 03: 33
          +4
          Quote: Inok10
          Here is the weight of the rocket in the TPC indicated, but how much does the launch machine weigh ?! .. that is the question ?! on the picture !!!! ..

          well, if they wanted to give us the same-name longboats made according to the same principle, then try their negative !
        3. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 18 December 2015 10: 25
          0
          .... The weight of the rocket in TPK, kg - 24 ....

          . belay ..... Heavier .... Heavier .... You won’t put such a thing on your shoulder .... And even with such a starting weight, the performance characteristics were not very impressive .... Although a dangerous little thing (in principle, like all weapons). ... lol
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 17 December 2015 20: 59
        18 th
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        I'm afraid they won't help Estonians. With the Estonian "slowness" only at the planes and shoot like half an hour ago]

        Should you wear hats? Of course, Estonia is not going to attack anyone, but the increase in the combat effectiveness of the Etonian Armed Forces forces even theoretically to consider a larger detachment of forces from the Russian Federation for the occupation of Estonia and more time for this. And there are different fighters among Estonians. Suffice it to recall the "Estonian Corps" in the Red Army.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 17 December 2015 21: 13
          29
          quote = Aron Zaavi] a larger outfit of forces from the Russian Federation for the occupation of Estonia [/ quote]
          Aron, tell me, why the hell did this Estonia come up against us? Maybe as a motivated cannon fodder the first blow? request
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 17 December 2015 21: 24
            24
            Quote: Vladimirets

            Aron, tell me, why the hell did this Estonia come up against us? Maybe as a motivated cannon fodder the first blow? request

            In principle, it is not needed on Russia ***, but any General Staff should have plans for a war, even with Mars. And Russia cannot but take into account the composition, armament and size of NATO armies on its border. Including in the case of a "conflict of low intensity".
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 17 December 2015 21: 28
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              And Russia cannot but take into account the composition, armament and size of NATO armies on its border. Including in the case of a "conflict of low intensity".

              I agree, but now Estonia cannot be counted without its masters. It is unlikely that in the event of a conflict with Estonia, it will be "low intensity".
            2. poquello
              poquello 17 December 2015 22: 14
              -2
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              Quote: Vladimirets

              Aron, tell me, why the hell did this Estonia come up against us? Maybe as a motivated cannon fodder the first blow? request

              In principle, it is not needed on Russia ***, but any General Staff should have plans for a war, even with Mars. And Russia cannot but take into account the composition, armament and size of NATO armies on its border. Including in the case of a "conflict of low intensity".

              oh well, for her, even 25 sets of saltwater were not put off
            3. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 18 December 2015 01: 50
              +2
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              any GSh must have plans for war even with Mars

              And of course, plans for his occupation wassat
            4. midivan
              midivan 18 December 2015 03: 38
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              In principle, it is not needed in Russia ***, but any GS should have plans for a war, even with Mars

              they definitely don’t need such a plan, well, if only to smoke it wassat
        2. Juborg
          Juborg 17 December 2015 21: 21
          +9
          Aron decided to send the Russian army to occupy Estonia. Forget the dear, this is not Israel, which did not occupy its lands, we do not need Estonia. Let them live in peace.
        3. zennon
          zennon 17 December 2015 21: 23
          +1
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Forcing even theoretically to consider a larger outfit of forces on the part of the Russian Federation for the occupation of Estonia and more time for this.

          I hope you have enough sense not to consider the possibility of an attack by "evil treacherous Russia on small, freedom-loving Estonia?"
        4. Serhio
          Serhio 17 December 2015 21: 32
          +4
          Aron, what's the point of occupying Estonia? Vana Toomas is not worth it. negative
          1. cheap trick
            cheap trick 17 December 2015 22: 57
            +3
            vana tallinn by the way will be better than rigas balsams)))
            1. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 18 December 2015 10: 28
              0
              .... vana tallinn by the way will be better than rigas balsams))) ...

              .... rigas balsams do not drink glasses .... laughing ..... And as an additive to coffee or cocktails, it does not get better .... bully
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 18 December 2015 01: 54
            +1
            Quote: Serhio
            Aron, what's the point of occupying Estonia? Vana Toomas is not worth it. negative

            The point is that in Russophobic propaganda it is imperative to disseminate information that terrible Russians want to occupy, rape, kill and eat you.
        5. kapitan92
          kapitan92 17 December 2015 21: 57
          +8
          Yes, it was like that. Formed in 1942.
          Link: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_tharrow_frame_(2nd formations)
        6. vovanpain
          vovanpain 17 December 2015 23: 45
          +9
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          theoretically consider a larger outfit of forces by the Russian Federation for the occupation of Estonia and a longer time for this

          Aron, well, we theoretically occupied her, what should we do with this great Estonia? Feed these Russophobes? The EU and NATO do not know what to do with them, these great Baltic people are needed only as cannon fodder and everyone knows that.
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          In principle, it is not needed on Russia ***, but any General Staff should have plans for a war, even with Mars. And Russia cannot but take into account the composition, armament and size of NATO armies on its border. Including in the case of a "conflict of low intensity".

          Well, you yourself answered your own question, in principle, Russia *** is not needed. hi hi
        7. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 18 December 2015 02: 02
          +1
          What else to the shaitan occupation of estonia ??? Let these world’s largest exporters of colormet (I hope, already former) enjoy European happiness further. Well, they need to merge 3% of GDP into military spending - that's the way to go. It would be better if NATO Sukhpai stocked up, useful.
        8. midivan
          midivan 18 December 2015 03: 36
          +4
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Are caps worth sitting around? Of course, Estonia is not going to attack anyone,

          and they have the option of attacking someone ??? belay and you don’t tell me, do they have turtles?
          1. Little thing
            Little thing 18 December 2015 13: 09
            +1
            [/ Quote]
            and you don’t tell me, do they have turtles? [/ quote]

            Well, what about laughing
      3. rumpeljschtizhen
        rumpeljschtizhen 17 December 2015 23: 52
        +3
        Well, okay, let them feel themselves "great" when they could bark at Russia! We take it calmly! laughing Until they fire ...
        Then too ...
        in the photo their varaint "partisan" and the photo of 2000 years and they are obviously better equipped than ours at the training camp
        and cheers yell you're always ready
        and the rocket is not bad
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 December 2015 00: 15
      +4
      Well, let’s say, in order to heap Estonia into shallow rubbish, it is not necessary to fly into its territory by helicopters and attack aircraft. But how to explain this to Estonians, 80 percent of which are brake fluid !?
    3. midivan
      midivan 18 December 2015 03: 27
      +4
      Quote: Lord of Wrath
      I'm afraid they won't help Estonians. With the Estonian "slowness" only at the planes and shoot, as half an hour ago flew

      you are very wrong! Did you see the calculation? there is a dude with a telephone receiver, and so they are warned just in half an hour by telephone bully
  2. gammipapa
    gammipapa 17 December 2015 20: 10
    +3
    Well, put out the lights, now no one will definitely defeat them. (Who else would like to)
  3. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 17 December 2015 20: 12
    +3
    Clear glade that they are arming against us. These air defense systems are rusting at them.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 17 December 2015 20: 37
      +5
      Quote: Alexander 3
      Clear glade that they are arming against us. These air defense systems are rusting at them.

      But loans will not rust :-) The grandchildren of today's Estonians are provided with debt for life and the grandchildren of these grandchildren too. They will have to dance to the master's tune until the end of their days.
      1. AlexTires
        AlexTires 17 December 2015 20: 57
        +7
        Quote: GRAY
        Grandchildren of the current Estonians

        It seems that the grandchildren of today's Estonians will be very swarthy and speak a strange dialect, with their favorite saying "Alla, I'm going to the bar" .....
      2. volodimer
        volodimer 17 December 2015 21: 06
        +5
        Here, they will share these brakes with their colleagues from the Ukropolskolitovsk brigade, they will have to fuss there. "Estonians, these are still animals. zekaze1980" They know how to shit from the sly. There, there are characters unrealistically frostbitten on Russophobia, and they are ready to partisan, like Belarusians, with all the frenzy, to ... the end.
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 December 2015 20: 14
    +6
    Now we can expect the appearance of these MANPADS in dill, then in igil
    1. Tungus
      Tungus 17 December 2015 20: 58
      +4
      Right So immediately I thought. Well, why should these programmatic Eurasians in Estonia supply supernova weapons? Well, not for sprats, they changed them? Then everything is clear. Either they will fall into kakyandii, or what kind of a scoundrel in the north-west was conceived.
  5. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 17 December 2015 20: 19
    +9
    I don't know how the weapons that came to them, but the Estonians, these are still animals, believe me, I lived there for 13 years, and with such a weapon the terminator is resting against their background. But seriously, another "wow-wow" from the Baltic states, they say, you Russians do not forget about us, otherwise the meaning of your existence is missing.
    1. cheap trick
      cheap trick 17 December 2015 23: 36
      +3
      I lived in Kohtla-Järve for 7 years. There are very few estics. The Russian city is like Narva. In general, you have to be careful with estics as well as dates. Strange farmers. but .... for 7 years I didn’t have a single problem with them, although I also visited Tallinn nightclubs, and drank with them anyway. But they didn’t argue about the drunken thing, they even argued about my jokes about their -estikov Peter1 the Swedes on the nails did not take offense)))
      1. midivan
        midivan 18 December 2015 03: 52
        +5
        Quote: cheap trick
        even to my jokes about the fact that their-estics Peter1 from the Swedes didn’t take offense at nails)))

        and didn’t even take offense because you didn’t mention that in addition to nails Peter had to give one more nail clipper? belay strange people, I would be offended for sure
        1. cheap trick
          cheap trick 18 December 2015 09: 55
          0
          you don’t understand, Peter took nails from the Swedes, and paid for them with estics)))
  6. denni
    denni 17 December 2015 20: 22
    +5
    All the same, they bought Mistral, albeit small)
  7. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 17 December 2015 20: 22
    +5
    Mistrals again? The descendants of Dumas and Hugo have such a poor imagination that they cannot think of other names? By the way, the Estonians should not flatter themselves - the French will eventually sell these "mistrals" to Egypt. This is their tradition. smile
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 December 2015 20: 27
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      The French have such a poor fantasy that they cannot come up with other names?

      There is nothing to be done, it is not for nothing that their language is often called "cook's Latin", hence all their language problems.
    2. Abakan
      Abakan 18 December 2015 02: 50
      +1
      we have comedians poplar)) acacia)), etc. etc.
  8. Barakuda
    Barakuda 17 December 2015 20: 23
    +2
    In my opinion THIS is a miracle of baby talk, although it is necessary to compare with the versions of the "Needle-Willow" of different bases. And where does the average height? Is it possible to climb 5-7 km? I have not searched.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 17 December 2015 20: 45
      +6
      Baracuda (5) UA Today, 20:23

      In my opinion THIS is a miracle of baby talk, although it is necessary to compare with the versions of the "Needle-Willow" of different bases. And where does the average height? Is it possible to climb 5-7 km? I was not looking


      I did not find something about the third Mistral TTX, but compared with the previous one, the engine needs to be increased 2 times and the battery for the steering wheels is the same ..., it’s hard for the MANPADS, it’s the same in size.
  9. TOR2
    TOR2 17 December 2015 20: 24
    +2
    So I want to read the news that in the Pskov region. placed RZSO extended range smile
  10. Olegater
    Olegater 17 December 2015 20: 25
    +2
    Dear forum users, explain, and the French developers of weapons of a name other than the Mistrals do not give their weapons (helicopter carrier, MANPADS). What else will they call the Mistrals ??????????? Probably the fantasy has dried up.
    1. pest
      pest 17 December 2015 20: 45
      +8
      As in an ordinary French family: - 5 sons. The eldest is Jean. The next is Jean, the middle is Jean, the penultimate is Jean, the youngest is Jean. They only have different surnames.
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  11. gop
    gop 17 December 2015 20: 31
    0
    Quote: Olegater
    arming themselves against us. These anti-aircraft defense systems will rust them.

    it’s vryatli, they will use it up, extremely quickly, in case of any danger, and the danger will be, paranoia will do its job
  12. HARDDEN_KMV
    HARDDEN_KMV 17 December 2015 20: 56
    -1
    and that the mistral will be able to shoot down "Yars" or "Eskander"?))
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 17 December 2015 21: 51
      +5
      .... and that mistral will be able to shoot down "Yars" or "Eskander"?)) ....
      I think this is from the realm of fiction. MANPADS have a different purpose.
      In general, the first "Mistrals" were lit up in Afghanistan. They noted: Blopipe (English), Mistral (fr), Red eye and of course Stinger. Stinger turned out to be cooler.
    2. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 17 December 2015 22: 05
      +3
      he can bring down the loot that Estonians cut from taxpayers promoting the topic of Russophobia.
    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 17 December 2015 23: 30
      0
      In your opinion, then our troops do not need MANPADS ?! What will they shoot down? "Tridens" or "X-51"? Resolved! Into the furnace the newest "Verba"! wassat
  13. bronik
    bronik 17 December 2015 21: 02
    0
    They will try to use submarines.
  14. Hauptam
    Hauptam 17 December 2015 21: 10
    +5
    Air defense systems including MANPADS are defensive weapons. This is the sovereign right of each country, incl. and "inhibited" Estonia.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 17 December 2015 23: 31
      +1
      In-in! And then our yell raised, as if they bought a Patriot.

      (by the way, they also have every right to buy Patriots)
  15. basmach
    basmach 17 December 2015 21: 19
    0
    Wherever you spit, you get into the Mistral, then into a floating trough, then into a rocket. Maybe it's time to rename France to Mistral, so that everything was the same.
    1. pest
      pest 17 December 2015 23: 26
      +1
      In my opinion, the mistral is a brand of cereals and pasta
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 17 December 2015 23: 33
        +4
        In my opinion, the mistral is a brand of cereals and pasta


        yes good laughing
  16. raid14
    raid14 17 December 2015 21: 31
    +3
    Our deputies have no word in .. they don’t hold it, they have already spoken in the media about the closed meeting of deputies with Shoigu in the State Duma. At the meeting, they spoke about placing the Strategic Missile Forces in the state of PBG.
    If the strategic nuclear forces of Russia are on high alert, then the last time does not change the memory, such readiness was announced in connection with the Crimea and the Caribbean crisis.
    1. bronik
      bronik 17 December 2015 21: 35
      +3
      Maybe the necessary leak .. random ..
  17. Ruby
    Ruby 17 December 2015 21: 36
    +3
    Quote: zekaze1980
    I don't know how the weapons that came to them, but the Estonians, these are still animals, believe me, I lived there for 13 years, and with such a weapon the terminator is resting against their background. But seriously, another "wow-wow" from the Baltic states, they say, you Russians do not forget about us, otherwise the meaning of your existence is missing.

    If a country cannot produce anything, it has the last resource, namely trade in hatred of Russia. A very popular product on the international market. All the Baltic states have been living on this for twenty years. Ukraine is the same bargained.
    1. Sausuolis
      Sausuolis 18 December 2015 10: 02
      -1
      And why in countries that do not produce well, per capita GDP is higher than that of developed Russia?
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 18 December 2015 10: 27
        +1
        and then then such an outflow of your population if the GDP is beautiful? the Baltic states all went to minus. Is this probably the gdp so cool effect?
  18. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 17 December 2015 22: 04
    -2
    Yes, wherever you are miserable then you pull the arms to the rockets. Get out into the blood of a cripple.
  19. tomcat117
    tomcat117 17 December 2015 22: 16
    +3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    I'm afraid they won't help Estonians. With the Estonian "slowness" only at the planes and shoot like half an hour ago]

    Should you wear hats? Of course, Estonia is not going to attack anyone, but the increase in the combat effectiveness of the Etonian Armed Forces forces even theoretically to consider a larger detachment of forces from the Russian Federation for the occupation of Estonia and more time for this. And there are different fighters among Estonians. Suffice it to recall the "Estonian Corps" in the Red Army.


    Yes, no one is going to attack them, this is nonsense of their inflamed consciousness, if someone needs them, then they are only for NATO bridlavs.
    But if someone thinks that Russia can be threatened and the question of the life and death of our state arises, believe me, NATO will not save anyone (the "anaconda loop" was adopted in relation to Russia and not we surround them, but they us). The first to die are the main instigators with your mongrels in place - at the distillation. We will all perish, we are no stranger to the circle of "friends".
    And as for the fighters that they are different, these are common truths.
    I congratulate you and you on Our Strategic Rocket Forces Day!
  20. Extraneous
    Extraneous 17 December 2015 22: 24
    +2
    So many opinions on the trivial issue of the simple modernization of weapons that Estonia already has since 2009?
    What's the catch?
    1. sapporo1959
      sapporo1959 17 December 2015 23: 07
      +1
      Well, if it was a question of other countries, then maybe they didn’t say anything about modernization. Well, if it’s about Estonia, it’s not like that! The neighbor is dangerous. God forbid, he’ll break the chain after all!
      1. Extraneous
        Extraneous 17 December 2015 23: 26
        0
        :Oh my God! Are they really that dangerous? I will now be wearing armored underpants constantly.
        How scary to live!
  21. Yugra
    Yugra 17 December 2015 23: 00
    0
    Let them first learn to shoot quickly from a machine gun, then we can talk about rockets ...
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    2. Rosty
      Rosty 18 December 2015 10: 57
      +2
      In Estonia, much more ammunition is spent on shooting training than we do. Unfortunately. And shooting sports, traditionally, are at their best. How many champions of the USSR in shooting from the Baltics came out, you know? Don't you know the phrase "Baltic snipers"?
  22. alexander 2
    alexander 2 17 December 2015 23: 28
    -1
    Quote: Hauptam
    Air defense systems including MANPADS are defensive weapons. This is the sovereign right of each country, incl. and "inhibited" Estonia.

    Well, isn't it clear that arm, don't arm Estonia, she is not our enemy. Estonians themselves should understand this. Once they fell under the amers, then at least what benefit they had, let their americosia protect and spend on weapons. As the saying goes: "Whoever fed the girl to her and dances."
  23. afrikanez
    afrikanez 17 December 2015 23: 42
    0
    Well, it can be seen that Estonia really needs these MANPADS to protect its "chicken coop"! Here is just a question for them: from whom are you going to defend yourself and, most importantly, what to defend? fool
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 17 December 2015 23: 57
      +1
      For evil provocation.
  24. NordUral
    NordUral 17 December 2015 23: 56
    0
    Now what - are we waiting for the Estonian Erdogan, who gave the command "Start"?
  25. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 17 December 2015 23: 57
    0
    I look at the Baltic states is a sore subject ....... we must forget about it
  26. m-arsenich
    m-arsenich 18 December 2015 00: 05
    +2
    Quote: pest
    What else will they call the Mistrals ??????????? Probably the fantasy has dried up.


    There is such a wind - the mistral (well, everyone has long known about this ..) recourse
  27. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 18 December 2015 00: 07
    0
    So, Estonia received missiles.
    Now Estonia is waiting for the wink of NATO.
  28. garpastum75
    garpastum75 18 December 2015 00: 18
    -2
    "FROM A DEAD DONKEY TO THEIR EARS" - THERE IS NO REASON TO KILL OUR PLANE !!! It will not be a secret for anyone that even in this case, while the Estonian crews take their places, according to the combat schedule, the pilot will already "build the approach" at the airfield near Murmansk !!! lol
    1. iouris
      iouris 18 December 2015 01: 07
      +2
      Airfields in Pskov and Ostrov are quite close to the state border with NATO (less than 50 km) and from Estonia. In the event of a crew navigation error, entry into the airspace of Estonia or Latvia is possible. They can also "shmalnut" following the example of the "elder brother" (Turkey is a NATO member).
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 18 December 2015 05: 47
        +2
        Do not forget about Kaliningrad - military aviation flies from St. Petersburg over the sea.
        An example of the Turks may be contagious.
  29. Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 18 December 2015 04: 00
    +3
    Aron Zaavi says the right word, underestimating the enemy is unacceptable; you need to remember the Finnish company 1938-1939
  30. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 18 December 2015 04: 05
    +7
    Something you disagreed about the Estonian brothers. Do not go to a fortune-teller, this political decision will come with a rollback. The people who created the airspace surveillance system in Estonia understood the consequences very well. They did not need instructions from behind a puddle, they knew perfectly well that they would "crumple" anyway. They did not even want to guard their radar, they knew that there was no point in this, the result would be the same - they would destroy it. Where they served until the collapse of the fools were not kept. But time is unstoppable, now there are other "heroes", and they studied, guess where?
  31. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 18 December 2015 04: 43
    -5
    The image of Estonia is a Holodrank with MANPADS! laughing
    1. cheap trick
      cheap trick 18 December 2015 10: 16
      +5
      Did you live in Estonia? Where does such confidence come from that the people of Estonia are hungry? for example, I lived there and I can say that people there live pretty well not in comparison with many countries. minimum 390 euros; allowances for each child 90 euros; almost 100% pay for many medicines; products are not very expensive. and most importantly, with Russian, unlike Latvians, they are friends regardless of the situation. And lastly, there are a lot of Russians and you are trying to insult them! not very masculine!

      P.S. 36 Estonia Estonia 1239
      37 Russia Russia 1215
      38 Jamaica Jamaica 1135
      39 Lithuania Lithuania 1109
      40 Argentina Argentina 1108
      41 Latvia Latvia 1098
      42 Serbia Serbia 1058
      43 Chile Chile 1021
      44 Botswana Botswana 996
      45 Malaysia Malaysia 961
      46 Belarus Belarus 959
      47 Romania Romania 954
      48 Bahrain Bahrain 917
      49 Panama Panama 831
      50 Mauritius Mauritius 783
      51 Brazil Brazil 778
      52 Macau Macau 758
      53 Kazakhstan Kazakhstan 468
      54 Bulgaria Bulgaria 750
      55 Colombia Colombia 692
      56 People's Republic of China 656
      57 Mexico Mexico 609
      58 Georgia Georgia 603
      59 Azerbaijan Azerbaijan 596
      60 Egypt Egypt 548
      61 Thailand Thailand 489
      62 Armenia Armenia 471
      63 Dominica Dominica 462
      64 Moldova Moldova 438
      65 Mongolia Mongolia 415
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      68 India India 295
      69 Philippines Philippines 279
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      71 Ukraine Ukraine 240
      72 Tajikistan Tajikistan 228


      in dollars! http://visasam.ru/emigration/europe-emigration/uroven-zhizni-v-estonii.html
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 18 December 2015 21: 57
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        lived in Estonia. And if everything is so good and wonderful there, then why do my classmates work and many live in other countries?
        1. tropic
          tropic 18 December 2015 22: 57
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          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          then why do my classmates work and many live in other countries?

          And what's wrong with that person can legally to live and work in the country of Europe that he likes best?
          As I understand it, this is an advantage, not a disadvantage.
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 19 December 2015 00: 14
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            This is very good, they just like the countries in which you can earn. If I make enough money to feed my family, then I won’t go anywhere. How can one make money in Estonia if there is no industry, the fishing fleet has decreased, the airline airline has closed, and a war of sanctions with Russia. In Europe, Estonian pilots are not needed; Estonian plumbers are needed there.
            1. tropic
              tropic 19 December 2015 01: 53
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              Quote: Kostya Andreev
              If I make enough money to feed my family, then I won’t go anywhere.

              It's your problem. Voluntary self-isolation is not a virtue. There are many ways to feed a family. Products come in different quality and different nomenclature.
              Quote: Kostya Andreev
              In Europe, Estonian pilots are not needed; Estonian plumbers are needed there.

              Europe needs good pilots. And good plumbers. Everyone needs good specialists, always and everywhere. If you are losing in the competition, then again, this is your problem, and not Europe (Asia, America or Oceania). We'll have to go down the social ladder. To the right level. When desires coincide with possibilities. And the option is not excluded that you will have to carry bags in the warehouse. Although "there is a calling" to lead the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
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    2. tropic
      tropic 18 December 2015 10: 39
      +5
      Quote: dchegrinec
      The image of Estonia is a Holodrank with MANPADS!

      Nifiga yourself, a wimp.
      1. According to Allianz data for 2014. in terms of accumulated wealth, 1 average Estonian is approximately equal to 12 average Russians. In this, the average Estonian is approximately equal to the average Czech.
      2. According to Credit Suisse for 2014. in terms of well-being among people over 20 years of age (only personal assets and liabilities), 1 Estonian is approximately equal to 3 Russians. And in this the average Estonian is approximately equal to the average Czech.
      Czechs, hicks? "Do not read Bolshevik newspapers before breakfast" - M. Bulgakov.
      These data in the autumn of this year, when they were published, were discussed in the Russian press. Nobody denied them then. Therefore, we can conclude that they are true.
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      2. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 19 December 2015 00: 46
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        And so I am very happy for my countrymen. I just can’t understand where so much money comes from, if there is no industry and the state budget a large percentage consists of EU handouts.
        And why the availability of such wealth is declining.
        If the population of Russia disappeared as fast as it happens in the Baltic states, then the accumulated wealth for every Russian would have accounted for even more.
        There is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are statistics.
        And you could not a reference to the Russian press. otherwise there are a lot of press in Russia, you won’t read the whole thing.
        I would like to know the calculation method.
        1. tropic
          tropic 19 December 2015 01: 40
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          Learn:
          http://publications.credit-suisse.com/tasks/render/file/index.cfm?fileid=C26E382
          4-E868-56E0-CCA04D4BB9B9ADD5
          https://www.allianz.com/v_1443702256000/media/economic_research/publications/spe
          cials / en / AGWR2015_ENG.pdf
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  32. Wolka
    Wolka 18 December 2015 05: 25
    -4
    in order to conquer Estonia it is not at all necessary to send troops into its territory, shoot from cannons and bomb from planes, all this is useless, you just need to close the door (border) and tightly ...
  33. Just BB
    Just BB 18 December 2015 06: 24
    +1
    Quote: Skifotavr
    Quote: Serhio
    Aron, what's the point of occupying Estonia? Vana Toomas is not worth it. negative

    The point is that in Russophobic propaganda it is imperative to disseminate information that terrible Russians want to occupy, rape, kill and eat you.

    The "terrible" already once "occupied" - so much so that the "captured" began to live better for the "occupier"!
    Now let them quiet down with democracy
  34. Sausuolis
    Sausuolis 18 December 2015 10: 07
    +2
    Here is one bag, lies with them at the airport after unloading from an airplane.
  35. Rosty
    Rosty 18 December 2015 10: 52
    +4
    Patriotism is good, worse when it is replaced by idiocy.
    Once again: Estonia, like the rest of the Baltic republics, is a bridgehead that is saturated with troops. From Narva to St. Petersburg 160 km (!!!). In Estonia, there are two modern military airfields inhabited and flown by NATO aircraft, an ice-free port, and a NATO cybersecurity center in Estonia. In Soviet times, the number of engineers per capita in Estonia was the highest in the Union; universities remained and are functioning.
    The local army is only 5000 people, together with headquarters, etc., but there are 25000 kitesellers (partisans). It is unwise to look at Estonia separately from the Leopards in Finland.
    About the Balts as a military - remember the story. Latvian arrows, Estonian Corps. They fought much better than the national divisions from the Caucasus (who missed the Wehrmacht in the Crimea and why, inquire).
    Shapkozakidatelstvo sofa strategists-"patriots" on the site begins to annoy.
    1. Sausuolis
      Sausuolis 18 December 2015 13: 24
      -1
      Conflict in only one of the Baltic countries is unlikely, so add 8000 Latvian volunteers and 5000 military personnel and 7000 Lithuanian shooters, 5000 volunteers and 12 military.
      It’s clear from the numbers that there can’t be any attack on their part, but in the case of defense, the enemy will easily break them.
    2. cheap trick
      cheap trick 18 December 2015 18: 26
      +1
      16 Lithuanian division that fought in the Red Army, you forgot to mention!)))
    3. c3r
      c3r 8 January 2016 21: 04
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      Tallinn, Vilnius and Riga had fallen much earlier why would you like to ask! Valiant priests were more often shot in the back. In general, it was not in the Caucasus or the Baltic states that there were completely no national divisions; all the divisions were 60-80% manned non-native.
  36. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 18 December 2015 13: 24
    +2
    It is necessary to directly admit the strengthening of the military component of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania in recent years, cheers-patriots have already shouted about the purchase of old armored vehicles by Lithuania, it turned out that from the old they only have the name. there is no need to scream and laugh: the distances are too small, so this issue should be taken seriously. NATO will now try to "saturate" the Baltic states with everything necessary, maybe not entirely new, but quite effective weapon, given the real psychosis in the minds of the rulers and part of the citizens of these countries in relation to Russia (it is easier to try to fight with someone else's hands!), And then- we'll see how it goes.