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Media: Turkey stayed with the laying of a new diesel-electric submarines for several years

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By signing a contract with the German company Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW) at 2009, Turkey only this year was able to secure the first submarine at its shipyard Gölcük, the blog reports bmpd with reference to the French edition of TTU.


Media: Turkey stayed with the laying of a new diesel-electric submarines for several years
Bookmark the keel of the non-nuclear submarine Pirireis of the 214 project at the Turkish naval shipyard Gölcük, 10.10.2015.

According to the contract for the construction of 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 214, the first boat was to be laid in 2011 at the Turkish shipyard Gölcük in Geljuk. This year, according to the schedule, it should already be transferred the fleet.

However, for a number of reasons (technical and economic), the keel of the new submarine was laid only on October 10 2015. And now, according to TTU, “the earliest deadline for the completion of its construction is 2020 year”

Now, amid aggravated relations with Russia, the Turkish authorities only have to regret their stinginess and awkwardness, the newspaper writes.

At the same time, it notes that Russia "at this time began to mass-produce diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 project for the Black Sea Fleet," and two of them had already been transferred to the customer.
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turkishnavy.net
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  1. cniza
    cniza 17 December 2015 13: 03 New
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    Now, against the backdrop of aggravated relations with Russia, the Turkish authorities only have to regret their stinginess and slowness, the newspaper writes.


    These are still flowers ... wait.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 17 December 2015 13: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: cniza
      These are still flowers ... wait.

      The Turkish Navy has 14 submarines, all in service, this delay is not so significant for them.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 17 December 2015 13: 39 New
      +4
      And they have old boats, and other surface ships, in general I am silent.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 17 December 2015 13: 51 New
        +4
        How old are you talking about?

        Their boats are just good, the legendary 209 Made in Germany.

        4 boats of the most inflated sub-series T2 / 1400. 2003-2007 of release, with Harpoons.
        4 boats older T / 1400 and not modernized, more noisy, 94-99 years of release.
        5 boats of the oldest 1200, but 2 boats have already undergone modernization, received Harpoons, a new control system, new batteries, a number of measures to reduce noise.

        Surface Fleet 2 MEKO frigate series:
        1 series old with rotary mounts SI SPEROU (20 km range), gun, torpedoes, MZA, turntable, Harpoons - 4 ships.
        2 new series with VPU MK41 and ESSM - at 50 km range, also 4 units.
        the Oliver Perry series is old and transferable to training, but these are 8 ships with Standards and 2 helicopters each.
        a new series of MIGELM corvettes - the same ESSM 21 missile, harpoons, torpedoes, gun, helicopter.
        20 units mosquito fleet with harpoons.
        1. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 17 December 2015 14: 22 New
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          How old are you talking about?

          Their boats are just good, the legendary 209 Made in Germany.

          4 boats of the most inflated sub-series T2 / 1400. 2003-2007 of release, with Harpoons.
          4 boats older T / 1400 and not modernized, more noisy, 94-99 years of release.
          5 boats of the oldest 1200, but 2 boats have already undergone modernization, received Harpoons, a new control system, new batteries, a number of measures to reduce noise.

          Surface Fleet 2 MEKO frigate series:
          1 series old with rotary mounts SI SPEROU (20 km range), gun, torpedoes, MZA, turntable, Harpoons - 4 ships.
          2 new series with VPU MK41 and ESSM - at 50 km range, also 4 units.
          the Oliver Perry series is old and transferable to training, but these are 8 ships with Standards and 2 helicopters each.
          a new series of MIGELM corvettes - the same ESSM 21 missile, harpoons, torpedoes, gun, helicopter.
          20 units mosquito fleet with harpoons.




          The Turks have problems, you forgot to take into account the bastion and ball in the territory of Crimea and the peculiarities of calibers.
      2. kapitan92
        kapitan92 17 December 2015 14: 03 New
        +4
        Underestimating the enemy leads to defeat, one of the great ones said. At the bottom of my answer I give a link comparing the Navy of the countries of the Black Sea region. Http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/zampolit00/post180246839/
        “Better to overtake than not to overtake,” as my battalion commander said. soldier
        (the link is true in 2012, but it does not matter), the balance has not changed.
        1. andre
          andre 17 December 2015 14: 57 New
          +1
          Well, yes, everything is right on this link to you that those that others have told. There will be no wars of Russia with anyone. Because it is already on, we are all at the moment in the rear. The advanced ones know where the Caucasus and Ukraine are , Central Asia is swaying at this hour. Friends of 201, who say that they are preparing in Dushanbe, there is infa as soon as the snow falls from the passes, and this is March, it is expected to move from the side of Afghanistan. They don’t make a secret of this, so that there if something ssali. In principle, they did the same in the Donbass. Well, we are in Dushanbe, but the Turkmens and Uzbeks will not pull. So the brothers are such pies. soldier
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 17 December 2015 15: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        And they have old boats, and other surface ships, in general I am silent.
        you might think the BSF is breathing novelty
  2. venaya
    venaya 17 December 2015 13: 06 New
    +4
    Russia "at this time began mass production of diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 for the Black Sea Fleet"

    They force us, our "partners" do not leave us other options, there is nothing to be done.
  3. bad
    bad 17 December 2015 13: 06 New
    -8
    sorry for the offtopic but here the video is fresh and interesting .. much more interesting than about the Turks .. Deciphered prophecy of Wangi: USA recognizes the superiority of Russia in 2040 // NTV.Ru
    http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1578244/
    1. corn
      corn 17 December 2015 13: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: bad
      USA recognizes the superiority of Russia in 2040 // NTV.Ru

      I probably will not live. So I can’t check. I only have to believe, but I can’t either. Atheist. I can only give a Ukrainian proverb about who is rich in thoughts, but I won’t, so that I wouldn’t offend inadvertently. hi
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 17 December 2015 14: 05 New
      +5
      Until 2040 it is necessary to survive!
  4. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 17 December 2015 13: 06 New
    +2
    So far, the essence and the matter, at our Black Sea Fleet there will be a sufficient number of “Varshavyanka” to level the Turkish if that. In general, the mind needs to be done so that they cannot build a submarine and lower it into the water. It will be calmer.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 17 December 2015 13: 17 New
      +1
      Well, the Turks already have 8 submarines, quite modern + 6 old ones. At the Black Sea Fleet, I’ll remind you so far 2, but forever in the repair of Alrosa. So, even when all 6 of us arrive on the Black Sea, the Turks will have an advantage, even without taking into account those under construction
      1. Rebus
        Rebus 17 December 2015 13: 53 New
        0
        Well, you forgive me, but submarines do not fight with submarines ... What is the advantage if there is a good PLO?
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 17 December 2015 14: 14 New
          +4
          Who told you that submarines do not fight submarines !? With the modern development of mine-torpedo weapons, the most powerful ASGs are fighting and how.
          By the way, for your info: our main torpedo 53-65K has a range of 15km, and the shtatovskoy MK 48 (I do not take the latest mod.) 30-40km, depending on the speed of the torpedo.
          Conclusion yourself do !!!!!!
          Our "fat torpedo" or as the Americans called the "long arm" range of 50 km, was withdrawn from service with the Navy (to the delight of the states) after the tragedy with the nuclear submarine Kursk.
          1. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 17 December 2015 14: 33 New
            0
            .... By the way, for your info: our main torpedo 53-65K has a range of 15km, and the shtatovskoy MK 48 (I do not take the latest mod.) 30-40km, depending on the speed of the torpedo.
            Conclusion yourself do !!!!!! ...


            ... I'm afraid you have an outdated infa .... Recently there was an article on VO about our torpedoes .... No worse, and even with a number of characteristics it is better than Amerovskaya ... hi
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 17 December 2015 14: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Corsair0304
      So far, the essence and the matter, at our Black Sea Fleet there will be a sufficient number of “Varshavyanka” to level the Turkish if that. In general, the mind needs to be done so that they cannot build a submarine and lower it into the water. It will be calmer.


      In fact, the Turks still have an advantage, though not a big one.
  5. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 December 2015 13: 09 New
    +2
    Is they cooking in the boss’s office? Also in uniform, loafers! They will do the rest of the hull there. And when they are done, they can be scrapped, hopelessly out of date, like their tanks ..
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 17 December 2015 13: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Is they cooking in the boss’s office?

      laughing Is very similar.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 17 December 2015 13: 24 New
        +1
        This is apparently a solemn bookmark, like the first stone. With the holder, the admiral ... Original ... The first joint or seam ...
    2. corn
      corn 17 December 2015 13: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Is they cooking in the boss’s office?

      And cooks some kind of big pepper. And buttons of yellow metal all over the stomach, and potters with a golden ebb, and award blocks in several rows
  6. flyer
    flyer 17 December 2015 13: 21 New
    0
    This bookmark will not save .. Militarily, it will not play a role, and even if the economic war begins, so much less will not be completed ..
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 17 December 2015 13: 34 New
    0
    that's what, here we are (at the World Cup) “Luny” with “Eagles” toss, then let the Turks try to climb where they are not supposed to
  8. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 17 December 2015 13: 48 New
    +2
    What difference does it make-how many boats Russia has on the Black Sea. If a serious disruption starts, this direction will be secondary, and the number of diesel-electric submarines will not matter much. In the event of a local conflict (it is unlikely that NATO will strike) Russia has weapons capable of remotely destroying the entire Turkish fleet .Russian armed forces are an order of magnitude superior to the Turkish army both quantitatively and in quality, and superiority in the Black Sea of ​​Turkey will not give anything, the time of agony will increase slightly. Something like this ...
  9. yuriy55
    yuriy55 17 December 2015 13: 50 New
    +1
    Media: Turkey stayed with the laying of a new diesel-electric submarines for several years


    When someone (in our case, Turkey) is not able to do without outside help (meaning "Uncle Sam's caring hand), this indicates a complete developmental delay.
    He would have to deal with Erdogan and use the geographical position for the most peaceful purposes, no (animals) are trying to raise his leg and mark our fence.

    As for flowers, here are flowers and berries:
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 17 December 2015 14: 02 New
      0
      Quote: yuriy55
      try (animals) raise leg

      ...No, squat!
  10. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 17 December 2015 13: 50 New
    +1
    But it’s interesting, this one, in a white welding suit (!!!), cannot make jambs with welding? And it’s a keel, and even a submarine. You never know what ... belay
  11. slaw14
    slaw14 17 December 2015 14: 05 New
    +2
    This keel is pre-welded and primed. For the sake of the admiral, a part was torn off for signature.
    1. T-73
      T-73 17 December 2015 18: 04 New
      0
      Yes, the weld zone is more than suspicious, and the paint was not burnt at the edges, they just poked the electrode with a small current) and I’m silent about the “suit”, who knows in which robe the welder cooks and does not hold his helmet with one hand , and another derzhak, never, and even the white uniform is dressed ... like in zones on a nuclear power plant, which is doubly surprising))
  12. vobels
    vobels 17 December 2015 14: 43 New
    0
    Or they will cut it out with a grinder and brew it again, five years later, when the money is saved up.
  13. ayuric
    ayuric 17 December 2015 14: 45 New
    0
    Yeah, and there behind him the robot is standing in a dark robe and holding the admiral’s handle, so as not to shake and not to mess up the jambs.
  14. am808s
    am808s 17 December 2015 15: 09 New
    +1
    This is their main specialist in welding such with golden shoulder straps. The mask closed and peeps behind the arc from the side after this joint howled all night for sure!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 17 December 2015 17: 48 New
      0
      In the morning, rather, healed the eyes with urine. Not otherwise.
  15. T-73
    T-73 17 December 2015 17: 43 New
    0
    2020 is considered the earliest completion date.


    I don’t know what kind of technical problems the Turks have, the German project is quite old, but it will not be put up for sale. Money problems and we will exacerbate them. 2020? Oh well. What are you going to scare? The filling is Turkish, and not to say that the way.

    The German-Turkish co-production version, which uses 80% of the systems developed and produced in Turkey (including the Turkish C4ISTAR system)


    it’s from available sources, nothing great, it’s already possible not to build - money down the drain
  16. tinibar
    tinibar 17 December 2015 20: 54 New
    0
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    Quote: cniza
    These are still flowers ... wait.

    The Turkish Navy has 14 submarines, all in service, this delay is not so significant for them.

    Our delay for decades, alas ...