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Karakaev: completed state tests of the complex "Yars"

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State tests of the complex "Yars" completed, it is recommended for adoption by the armed forces, transfers RIA News Post Commander RVSN Sergey Karakaeva.




“The state tests of the Yars strategic missile system have been completed, and the missile complex has been recommended for adoption by the decision of the state commission,” the commander said.

In addition, the R & D on the creation of a heavy complex "Sarmat" was completed.

“It is safe to talk about the readiness of domestic industrial cooperation to create and supply in necessary quantities to the troops of the Yars missile system and to complete the development and development work on the Sarmat complex,” Karakaev said.
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  1. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 17 December 2015 11: 06 New
    +5
    Great, one more argument will not hurt us now, well done!
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 17 December 2015 11: 10 New
      +4
      a good "nuclear baton" to calm down potential partners ... while they are creating missile defense, we are making more inaccessible missiles)))
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 17 December 2015 11: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        a good "nuclear baton" to calm down potential partners ... while they are creating missile defense, we are making more inaccessible missiles)))
    2. Taranchello
      Taranchello 17 December 2015 11: 10 New
      +1
      You need to quickly bring to mind Sarmat, because Satan has more than once prolonged its service life, but there is nothing to replace ...
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 17 December 2015 11: 22 New
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        Quote: Taranchello
        Need to quickly bring to mind Sarma
        Here you can read: http: //vpk-news.ru/news/25836
        1. Mama_Cholli
          Mama_Cholli 17 December 2015 12: 48 New
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          Quote: Samaritan
          http://vpk-news.ru/news/25836

          I would like to understand why throw tests are needed? What they give me is completely incomprehensible.
      2. Born in USSR
        Born in USSR 17 December 2015 12: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Taranchello
        Need to bring to mind Sarmat faster

        I strongly recommend firmly remembering: Quickly only rabbits breed!
        Show everyone how to do fast are you able to? Demonstrate, take a look.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 17 December 2015 13: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Taranchello
        You need to quickly bring to mind Sarmat, because Satan has more than once prolonged its service life, but there is nothing to replace ...

        In the 16th year, tests of a prototype Sarmat rocket begin. YaRS is good, of course, but Poplar, Topol-M, YaRS should be changed to Rubezhi as soon as possible ... and I think to speed up work on the Barguzin BZHRK, with the same Rubezh.
        1. 3axap82
          3axap82 17 December 2015 14: 06 New
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          It is necessary to build mine complexes protected from the Rapid Global Strike. "Poplar", "Yarsy" and even Barguzin will be destroyed by the first blow. The mine will withstand a direct hit from a Tomahawk from a nuclear warhead.
          Mobile systems are good for the first, but not for a retaliatory strike.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 17 December 2015 14: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: 3axap82
            It is necessary to build mine complexes protected from the Rapid Global Strike. "Poplar", "Yarsy" and even Barguzin will be destroyed by the first blow. The mine will withstand a direct hit from a Tomahawk from a nuclear warhead.
            Mobile systems are good for the first, but not for a retaliatory strike.

            You are mistaken. And in the mine and mobile basing there are advantages and disadvantages. The mines can be built in the depths of the country (somewhere beyond the Urals) and it will not be so easy to get them, but at the same time all the mine complexes, their coordinates are known to the foe. In any case, the first strike will not "knock out" the complexes, because the deployment time of these complexes is short, and while the same subsonic Tamaghawk is flying, the same YARS or Poplar with Rubezh will shoot three times. And the enemy has no coordinates of mobile complexes. hi
          2. VIA_56
            VIA_56 18 December 2015 00: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: 3axap82
            nuclear warhead.
            Mobile systems are good for the first, but not for a retaliatory strike.

            Here, dear, I do not agree with you. Mobile complexes, especially on the basis of railway, minke whales are more afraid than fire! Why did they cut them first of all under EBN? To destroy them, they still need to be calculated. And this is problematic when moving at marching speeds.
    3. little girl15
      little girl15 17 December 2015 11: 31 New
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      Great! Only when will the BZHRK appear on the Yars base?
      1. Gorynovich
        Gorynovich 17 December 2015 11: 51 New
        +2
        There is not quite Yars.
        They promise the premiere in 2018.
      2. Born in USSR
        Born in USSR 17 December 2015 12: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Vovochka15
        Only when will BZHRKs on the basis of Yars appear?

        As soon as possible. Not even three years will pass!
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 17 December 2015 13: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Vovochka15
        Great! Only when will the BZHRK appear on the Yars base?

        Not YaRS, but Rubezh. Yars is RS-24, and Rubezh (Vanguard) is RS-26 hi
    4. sub307
      sub307 17 December 2015 11: 59 New
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      So the mood "lifted" right away ... a New Year's present for "NATO partners", so to speak.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 17 December 2015 14: 04 New
        +2
        It is unclear that Yars has been entering the army since 2007, 33 missiles have been adopted. And then the news about the end of state. tests. What rocket was adopted before the end of state tests?
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  2. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 17 December 2015 11: 07 New
    +3
    It is these missiles that will become a real headache for NATO. While they will think about countermeasures, Russia is already standing next generation.
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 17 December 2015 11: 37 New
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      A weighty argument.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 17 December 2015 14: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: dchegrinec
      It is these missiles that will become a real headache for NATO. While they will think about countermeasures, Russia is already standing next generation.

      YARS (RS-24) is a wonderful missile, but still it is a deep modernization of Topol-M. But the Rubezh ICBM (Avangard RS-26) is already a new generation of ICBM missiles. And with it the mattresses will have a lot of "brain hemorrhoids". There is no talk at all about the Sarmat ICBMs, because even in the future, NATO members will not have an antidote to this argument. But we must hurry, because the Voevoda's service life was extended only until the 20th year.
  3. andr327
    andr327 17 December 2015 11: 07 New
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    Finally, Yars will be on the database! Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!
  4. alfa19638
    alfa19638 17 December 2015 11: 08 New
    +2
    Great joy for our partners !!!
  5. Teberii
    Teberii 17 December 2015 11: 08 New
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    We hope the news will cool the ardor of politicians from NATO.
  6. mQn
    mQn 17 December 2015 11: 10 New
    +1
    um ..... but aren't they still in service with us? correct me if I'm wrong.....
    It’s kind of like it’s still in service .....
    1. An64
      An64 17 December 2015 11: 15 New
      +1
      And I had the same question.

      At present, the fifth generation missile systems (Yars and Topol-M) are in service with the Strategic Missile Forces, however, as the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces Sergey Karakaev said, in 2013 it is planned to rearm the missile regiments in new divisions in three divisions in addition to two already re-equipped (Teykovskaya and Tatishchevskaya).

      “Until 2013, we will deliver the ballistic Yars-M to the RF Ministry of Defense, its adoption is planned for the same year,” a source in the military-industrial complex said in connection with this, RIA Novosti reports.


      And if the ROC on "Sarmat" is completed, then the state tests should have passed. And the rocket is in series. But I don’t remember something about the test launches of "Sarmatov".
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      2. DenZ
        DenZ 17 December 2015 11: 31 New
        +1
        And if the ROC on "Sarmat" is completed, then the state tests should have passed. And the rocket is in series. But I don’t remember something about the test launches of "Sarmatov".

        OCD-experimental design work. What series if still still only in electronic form (drawings) Not a single rocket of state testing has yet passed because they are not yet available. Sort of you fast.
        1. An64
          An64 17 December 2015 12: 08 New
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          What series if still still only in electronic form (drawings)


          It is unfortunate that you are trying to comment on something in which you do not understand a word!
          In accordance with GOSTs, the ROC ends with the creation of a prototype and the transfer of documentation for serial production.

          The Internet on this occasion says the following:
          "Development work, development work
          - work on the creation of specific samples of new products (materials, products), as well as technical systems that implement new technologies. They allow the transition from a laboratory (experimental) sample, demonstrating the possibility of realizing a beneficial effect in a particular technology or in the form of a specific product, to industrial designs.
          They include the development of a specific product design or technical system (design work); the development of technological processes for their industrial production, as well as the manufacture and testing of samples of new products and technological systems.
          The results of the R&D are the corresponding technical documentation and industrial designs of new products and technologies. "
          1. DenZ
            DenZ 17 December 2015 12: 27 New
            +1
            I just know that I’m commenting because I live in the city where the developer is located and I know a lot of things that should not be written and talked about. Taki it is very sorry for me. You write that you don’t remember that there were state tests, but they didn’t exist because there is no rocket in its final form yet. Refute? Wellcome.
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    2. andr327
      andr327 17 December 2015 14: 45 New
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      Such incidents, there were only mine and transitional model assembly: APU TopolM and Yars rocket
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 December 2015 11: 39 New
    0
    This news will be especially welcome mericatosa! fellow
  8. 3axap82
    3axap82 17 December 2015 11: 42 New
    +1
    This is how the consequences of the bombing of Washington, DC, O.K. 300 kt mono-warhead
    Yars and Topol-M
  9. 3axap82
    3axap82 17 December 2015 11: 48 New
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    And this is a 25 megaton monoblock "Voevoda" - "Satan", Washington DC
    1. Leprekon
      Leprekon 17 December 2015 12: 51 New
      +1
      Nothing, not far off (roughly 2018) when you draw these concentric circles under the "Sarmat"! According to some reports, there are 10 nuclear warheads, 750 kilotons each.
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 17 December 2015 13: 52 New
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        No doubt. Here are just "Sarmat" is an analogue of the UR-100 UTTH and not "Satan". "Sarmat" medium-weight missile.
        "Satan" 200 tons, 8,5 tons of payload.
        UR-500 is a Proton rocket that says it all, 20 tons of payload was supposed to be a giant monoblock of 150 Mt! (Tsar bomb detonated on Novaya Zemlya was 50 Mt)
        "Sarmat" 100 tons 4,5 tons of payload is approximately equal to the UR-100N medium-weight missile, it weighs 105 tons and carries a six-charge warhead with a total mass of 4350 kg.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 17 December 2015 13: 53 New
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          Quote: 3axap82
          "Sarmat" medium-weight missile.

          Sarmat is two times lighter than the Voivode, but still it is a heavy missile. hi
          Although in the same Wikipedia (I know that the source is so-so, but for fun) this is what is said about the Sarmatian ICBMs
          Sarmat ICBM is the fifth-generation mine-based strategic missile system of the Russian Federation [1] with a heavy two-stage liquid intercontinental ballistic missile [2] that differs from the fourth-generation systems as R-36s with massive anti-missile defense systems due to the KAZ mine protection, suborbital trajectory, and also high-precision hypersonic maneuvering warheads. The high-precision hypersonic warheads of the Yu-71 also make it possible for the first time to use Russian and Soviet ICBMs in local wars according to the “global strike” strategy with the defeat of strategic objects by the kinetic energy of the warhead without using a nuclear explosion.

          Weight - 210 tons.

          The missile is designed to deliver 10 warheads with a capacity of 750 Kt each. [3]

          2-stage missile with a block for breeding warheads. Liquid rocket engines of both stages are “sunk” into the fuel tank, fuel tanks - bearing with combined dividing bottoms.
          1. 3axap82
            3axap82 17 December 2015 14: 11 New
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            If the second part of the quote is true, then this is excellent. Yu-71 is not yet, but there is no doubt that they will appear. Although it is not clear why to use hypersonic from space !? In the terminal phase of flight, the speed of a freely falling warhead is 7 km / s.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 17 December 2015 14: 18 New
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              Quote: 3axap82
              If the second part of the quote is true, then this is excellent. Yu-71 is not yet, but there is no doubt that they will appear. Although it is not clear why to use hypersonic from space !? In the terminal phase of flight, the speed of a freely falling warhead is 7 km / s.

              There is a secret in another — Sarmat’s ICBM, with the help of the Yu-71 on hyper sound it will be able to maneuver, that is, the flight path will not be ballistic, which even theoretically intercepts it. hi
              1. 3axap82
                3axap82 17 December 2015 14: 21 New
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                If ours have learned to do a MANEUVERING HYPERSONIC SPEED OF A DRAWBAR, then the States are in ... ts. Designers - a monument in life!
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 17 December 2015 14: 25 New
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                  Quote: 3axap82
                  If ours have learned to do a MANEUVERING HYPERSONIC SPEED OF A DRAWBAR, then the States are in ... ts. Designers - a monument in life!

                  The Yu-71 glider is being tested and the states know about it ... its speed is 11 km / h. There is very little information about this LA, but it is believed that Russia will soon have the fastest aircraft in the world capable of maneuvering with hyper sound .The States have an analogue of our Glider, but the tests have not been successful all the time (there were three), in which the vehicle accelerated to fall apart. The United States aircraft was accelerated to 000 km / h hi
                2. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 17 December 2015 14: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 3axap82
                  MANEUVERING A HYPERSONIC SPEED

                  Not a warhead, but a rocket ... hi
                  1. 3axap82
                    3axap82 17 December 2015 16: 16 New
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                    So the missile (missiles) is part of the payload of the Sarmat ICBM? Those. the warhead is divided into hypersonic missiles?
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 17 December 2015 16: 21 New
                      +2
                      Quote: 3axap82
                      So the missile (missiles) is part of the payload of the Sarmat ICBM? Those. the warhead is divided into hypersonic missiles?

                      No, the Sarmatian ICBM itself is hyper sound with a stage 4202 (Yu-71)
                      1. 3axap82
                        3axap82 17 December 2015 17: 13 New
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                        Very glad. I did not know that our engineers were still capable of such a thing.
    2. 3axap82
      3axap82 17 December 2015 14: 24 New
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      The mistake is New York (I apologize for the misinformation.
    3. volodimer
      volodimer 17 December 2015 14: 44 New
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      Po looked at punishments, visited the site http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/, of course Satan is more global than yars and poplar, "if it gets into the epicenter" smile, but these zones just show how much it is "possible" to "miss" the target, so that it would still be a kirdyk. It is a pity that the site does not take into account the accuracy of the hit.
  10. demandy1
    demandy1 17 December 2015 16: 49 New
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    When you look at the photo of this colossus, for some reason you always remember the old Andropov joke: "Russia is a very notorious country - and the whole world is afraid of its complexes, missile systems."
  11. Old26
    Old26 17 December 2015 20: 25 New
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    Quote: Mama_Cholli
    I would like to understand why throw tests are needed? What they give me is completely incomprehensible.

    Throwing tests are the first stage of testing any missiles. It turns out: are the preparedness algorithms for launching correctly developed, how the product itself responds to the given commands, and in general - is the rocket capable of leaving the launcher without problems.
    Quote: NEXUS
    In the 16th year, tests of a prototype Sarmat rocket begin. YaRS is good, of course, but Poplar, Topol-M, YaRS should be changed to Rubezhi as soon as possible ... and I think to speed up work on the Barguzin BZHRK, with the same Rubezh.

    YaRS change? What for? They are only put into service. Let them stand on the database for about 20 years, then we can talk about replacement.
    Change to "Frontiers"? And what is “Rubezh” better than “Yars”? Or maybe one complements the other?

    Quote: 3axap82
    It is necessary to build mine complexes protected from the Rapid Global Strike. "Poplar", "Yarsy" and even Barguzin will be destroyed by the first blow. The mine will withstand a direct hit from a Tomahawk from a nuclear warhead.
    Mobile systems are good for the first, but not for a retaliatory strike.

    Do you think that they will be destroyed by the first blow? If the current coordinates are unknown? Unlike the exact coordinates of the silos?

    Quote: NEXUS
    Not YaRSa, but Border

    You already know???? In fact, it was said that the rocket would be using the developments in Bulava and YARS. There was no word about "Frontier" in the speeches of representatives of the Ministry of Defense ...

    Quote: NEXUS
    Not YaRS, but Rubezh. Yars is RS-24, and Rubezh (Vanguard) is RS-26

    And what, "Rubezh" is already in service and declared in the START system as RS-26 ???
    The RS index is given after the missile is put into service and is listed among those deployed under the START Treaty. One more thing. What makes you think that "Rubezh" and "Vanguard" are one and the same ??? And here you can read delirium about a rocket that does not yet exist in hardware, has not passed the test, as already about the RS-XX

    Quote: NEXUS
    There is no talk about Sarmat’s ICBMs, since even in the long term, the NATO troops will not have an antidote to this argument

    So they have an antidote from 18M, but not from the 28th ??? What is so unusual that there is no antidote ???

    Quote: dchegrinec
    It is these missiles that will become a real headache for NATO. While they will think about countermeasures, Russia is already standing next generation.

    Do you think that missile defense systems are designed exclusively for those products that are now in service ???? Oh well
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 17 December 2015 22: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      YaRS change? What for? They are only put into service. Let them stand on the database for about 20 years, then we can talk about replacement.
      Change to "Frontiers"? And what is “Rubezh” better than “Yars”? Or maybe one complements the other?

      While complements, but I'm talking about the prospect, shopping mall Boundary is more perfect (next-generation missile)
      Quote: Old26
      There was no word about "Frontier" in the speeches of representatives of the Ministry of Defense ...

      Do you think everything and everyone should say?
      Quote: Old26
      What makes you think that "Rubezh" and "Vanguard" are one and the same ???

      With the fact that this is one rocket under different names.
      Quote: Old26
      So they have an antidote from 18M, but not from the 28th ??? What is so unusual that there is no antidote ???

      And which one?
  12. Old26
    Old26 17 December 2015 20: 31 New
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    Quote: andr327
    Finally, Yars will be on the database! Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!

    He’s been on the database for about 6 years, no less ... For some, this is news ???

    Quote: andr327
    Such incidents, there were only mine and transitional model assembly: APU TopolM and Yars rocket

    Is Yars already a transitional model? From what to what? And in general, how does the Yars ICBM differ from the Topol-M ICBM apart from BO?

    Quote: 3axap82
    No doubt. Here are just "Sarmat" is an analogue of the UR-100 UTTH and not "Satan". "Sarmat" medium-weight missile. "Satan" 200 tons, 8,5 tons of payload. UR-500 is a Proton rocket that says it all, 20 tons of payload was supposed to be a giant monoblock of 150 Mt! (The Tsar bomb detonated on Novaya Zemlya was 50 Mt) "Sarmat" 100 tons 4,5 tons of payload is approximately equal to the UR-100N medium-weight rocket, it weighs 105 tons and carries a six-charge warhead with a total mass of 4350 kg.

    I wonder how !!! And where did you get the respected performance characteristics of "Sarmat"? From the OBS resource?
    There is no such term - medium-weight rocket. The rocket can be light or heavy. And no averages. What makes you think that "Sarmat" is an analogue of the UR-100N UTTH? About him Reliably only two things are known.
    1. This is a heavy rocket
    2. This is a 100-ton class rocket. Please note. Its mass is not 100 tons, but it is a 100-ton class. What does it mean? And this means that it can have a starting weight of 106 to 199 tons. That's all ...

    Quote: 3axap82
    And this is a 25 megaton monoblock "Voevoda" - "Satan"

    I must grieve you terribly. There was no Voevoda with a 25-megaton block. Developed - Developed but not deployed. "Satan" - yes, it really was ...

    Quote: NEXUS
    High-precision hypersonic warheads Yu-71

    What I didn’t know was that we now war blocks have an index Yu. And by adding a digital designation 71.
    I, like, believed that the index Ю mean rocket with special equipment, but no, warhead however. And warheads no longer have an index F ...
    What about the first two digits before the letter and the third after in the designation ???

    Quote: NEXUS
    There is a secret in another ICBM Sarmat, with the help of the Yu-71 on hyper sound it will be able to maneuver, that is, the flight path will not be ballistic, which reduces to even its theoretical interception

    I would like to see the non-ballistic trajectory of the missile and the most important thing to know, where will the warheads go after that. The fact that to Earth is unequivocal, but where ... This is a question ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 17 December 2015 22: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: NEXUS
      High-precision hypersonic warheads Yu-71
      What I didn’t know was that now our warheads have an index of Yu. And by adding a digital designation 71.
      I, like, believed that the Yu index means a missile with special equipment, but no, however, a warhead. And warheads ceased to have an index of F ...
      What about the first two digits before the letter and the third after in the designation ???

      The thesis about hyper-sound warheads is not mine, but for the rest I’ll answer, since my nickname is in your post ... It was about the U-71 GLADER or it is called object 4202, which mattresses talk about more than we do ... about this GLIDER they say little, only speed is voiced and some test data. With regards to the letter U, then perhaps this is a designation for a new aircraft class, I think ...
      Quote: Old26
      I would like to see the non-ballistic trajectory of the missile and the most important thing to know, where will the warheads go after that. The fact that to Earth is unequivocal, but where ... This is a question ...

      That's the way Sarmat should have a trajectory, according to the developers ...
      Best regards hi
  13. Old26
    Old26 17 December 2015 20: 35 New
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    Quote: NEXUS
    The Yu-71 glider is being tested and the states know about it ... its speed is 11 km / h.

    But only the Americans are well aware of what "U-71". And we have solid information from the OBS series. Although, if you wish (if you don’t read only Wikipedia), you can easily find out about it ... There would be a desire.

    Quote: NEXUS
    Not a warhead, but a rocket.

    laughing Oh well. Keep on broadcasting about how our spaceships plow the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater ...

    Quote: NEXUS
    No, the Sarmatian ICBM itself is hyper sound with a stage 4202 (Yu-71)

    And our other rockets are subsonic or supersonic ???
    So what is still a step? 4202 or Yu-71? And stage or payload ???

    Quote: demandy1
    When you look at the photo of this colossus, for some reason you always remember the old Andropov joke: "Russia is a very notorious country - and the whole world is afraid of its complexes, missile systems."

    Do you seriously consider this an Andropov joke ?? As General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, did he say that about Russia? But what about Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan? Were they not "notorious" ??
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 17 December 2015 22: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      But the Americans know very well what the U-71 is. And we have solid information from the OBS series

      And I see no reason for our people to say anything about this. No one has canceled secrecy ... but common phrases and insignificant infa are on the Internet and so on ..
      Quote: Old26
      (unless you read Wikipedia exclusively)

      I have never perceived this resource as a serious source of information.
      Quote: Old26
      Oh well. Keep on broadcasting about how our spaceships plow the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater ...

      Good movie, I don’t argue laughing
      Quote: Old26
      And our other rockets are subsonic or supersonic ???

      You don’t distort, dear. All ICBMs are hyper-sound, only at this speed no ICBMs were able to maneuver earlier.
      Quote: Old26
      4202 or Yu-71

      It is the same...
  14. 3axap82
    3axap82 17 December 2015 20: 41 New
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    Quote: Old26
    I wonder how !!! And where did you get the respected performance characteristics of "Sarmat"? From the OBS resource?
    There is no such term - medium-weight rocket. The rocket can be light or heavy. And no averages. What makes you think that "Sarmat" is an analogue of the UR-100N UTTH? Only two things are RELIABLE about him.
    1. This is a heavy rocket
    2. This is a 100-ton class rocket. Please note. Its mass is not 100 tons, but it is a 100-ton class. What does it mean? And this means that it can have a starting weight of 106 to 199 tons. That's all ...


    Well, if you are such a specialist. in rocketry, tell the main "secret" (aka drawback) of mobile missile systems. I know him.
    If you do not show awareness, I will not write to you anymore. For such pompous attacks should be answered.
  15. Old26
    Old26 17 December 2015 21: 42 New
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    Quote: 3axap82
    Well, if you are such a specialist. in rocketry, tell the main "secret" (aka drawback) of mobile missile systems. I know him. If you do not show awareness, I will not write to you again. For such pompous attacks must be answered.

    I wonder what you saw the pomp of my attacks? In what I wrote about the fact that there are no medium-weight missiles - yes, they do not exist, let alone "medium-weight". The contractual documents clearly state which is which. In particular, it is written about a heavy one that a heavy rocket is a rocket that has a starting or throw weight greater than the heaviest of light rockets. The heaviest of the light missiles is the missile known in the west as the SS-19, and in our country as the RS-18 or 15A30 / 35. All other talk of moderate severity does not contain anything underneath. Purely theoretically, it would be possible to divide the "light" class into two subclasses - up to 50-55 tons and more, but there are no such divisions in the concluded contracts.

    Now about your question. The main disadvantage of PGRK is their low security in comparison with the security of silos.
    Basically AAP can be hit by cluster munitions, large-caliber small arms, hand grenade launchers and ATGMs (which is impossible with the location of products in silos).

    At the same time, it is also impossible to say that the PGRK will be destroyed by the first strike. Their invulnerability is precisely in the possibility of their movement. Even under START-2, when PGRK movements were limited, the division’s deployment area was 250000 square meters. km

    If our enemy has a fairly small number of satellites for reconnaissance and radar reconnaissance, the frequency of their passage - the PGRK has a chance to shoot both from the PBSP and from the RPM. Destroyed, they can be the first blow only when the surprise of such a blow. And for this, both ground and space segments of the SPRN should not work with us. Which is impossible in principle. Of course, talking about 100% invulnerability of the PGRK is silly.
    Did I answer your question?
  16. VIA_56
    VIA_56 18 December 2015 00: 24 New
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    Actual, of course, topic, gentlemen! Especially on the Strategic Missile Forces Day!
    All rocket launchers with a professional holiday!
  17. Old26
    Old26 18 December 2015 14: 24 New
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    And I see no reason for our people to say anything about this. No one has canceled secrecy ... but common phrases and insignificant infa are on the Internet and so on ..

    In addition, crazy info, replicated from resource to resource. And not developers, but journalists and all sorts of military experts from the media

    Quote: NEXUS
    While complements, but I'm talking about the prospect, shopping mall Boundary is more perfect (next-generation missile)

    "Frontier" is a further development of "Yars". And it is very unlikely that this is a new generation rocket. Perhaps with another BO - this is possible, with new fuel - too.

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    With the fact that this is one rocket under different names.

    Uh-huh. "Rubezh" is sometimes called "Yars-M", "Yars-M1", sometimes "Yars-1M". And sometimes (a long time ago) they put an equal sign between "Frontier" and "Vanguard". Here is just a minor detail. The first test of the "Rubezh" was in September 2011, and in July 2011 the then Minister of Defense said that there had already been several tests of the "Avangard" complex. How to explain this ???

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    And which one?

    And what antidote can there be for ICBMs? GBI interceptors only. So how will "Sarmat" differ from "Voevoda" so that GBI cannot get it. Moreover, they will be stationed there, the engines are the same ... What?
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 18 December 2015 18: 19 New
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      Quote: Old26
      In addition, crazy info, replicated from resource to resource. And not developers, but journalists and all sorts of military experts from the media

      But you don’t think that there is no smoke without fire. Or, in your opinion, the journalist was sitting in a chair and suddenly it dawned on me, let me tell you about Yu-71 laughing
      Quote: Old26
      "Frontier" is a further development of "Yars". And it is very unlikely that this is a new generation rocket. Perhaps with another BO - this is possible, with new fuel - too.

      The frontier is not the modernization of Yars, but the new ICBM. On the same BZHRK Barguzin, they are going to set the Frontier, not Yars.
      Quote: Old26
      The first test of the "Rubezh" was in September 2011, and in July 2011 the then Minister of Defense said that there had already been several tests of the "Avangard" complex. How to explain this ???

      And what's wrong? Or should the minister report to the media when and where and how many times test launches were made? His statement is a statement of fact. Because trials are always flaws and mistakes.
      Quote: Old26
      So how will "Sarmat" differ from "Voevoda" so that GBI cannot get it.

      The fact that the Voivode goes along a ballistic, that is, a predictable trajectory throughout the flight, can not be said about Sarmatia, which at such speeds changes direction both horizontally and in height. And how is GBI intercepting it, I'm interested in?
  18. Old26
    Old26 18 December 2015 14: 25 New
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    It was about the U-71 GLIDER or it is called object 4202, which mattresses are more likely to talk about than we are ... GLIDER doesn't say much about this, only speed and some test data are voiced. As for the letter U, this is probably a designation a new class of aircraft, I think ...

    Have to spend a small educational program. The indices of rocket technology, its components are of the form 15X 000.
    - The complex has a designation 15P1xx
    - Launcher has a designation 15Uhhh if she is mobile and 15P7xx if mine. And the numbers xx denote the rocket index.
    - Combat equipment (warheads, divided warheads) have an index 15FxxxWhere xx - rocket index, z - designation of the combat equipment of the missile.
    - The missile itself (combat) has indices 15J 00 or 15 00 depending on whether a solid rocket or liquid rocket. In addition, there are two missiles in the Strategic Missile Forces, which have the letter in their index Yu

    Yu index have two rockets. It's a rocket 15Yu75 "Sirena" (15Ж75 is sometimes found). A missile with a special warhead within the well-known Perimeter system.
    The second missile is now being used to test new combat equipment, all of the same hypersonic winged blocks that you like to call so GLIDER. The rocket is created on the basis of serial 15А35 and has an index 15A35-71 or 15J71... Launcher based on "Yasnaya" converted from the launcher 15P718 (from a rocket 15А18) to the launcher 15P771 for rockets with index 71that is, for a rocket 15J71 (if you want rockets 15А71) What is the name and index "payload" - it is still unknown. This product is known to be created in the framework of OCD. 4202.

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    I have never perceived this resource as a serious source of information.

    In fact, you can use all the sources and Wiki is no exception, especially its English and German versions.
  19. Old26
    Old26 19 December 2015 00: 33 New
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    But you don’t think that there is no smoke without fire. Or, in your opinion, the journalist was sitting in a chair and suddenly it dawned on me, let me tell you about Yu-71

    Of course, there is no smoke without fire. But the journalists who write about this almost never get tested, and what they tell us is not just a retelling of a retelling, but sometimes, not knowing the real situation, they begin to invent in order to seem more significant in the eyes of readers. It is as a result of such journalistic delights that "gliders" U-71 appear instead of 15Yu71 ICBMs. Journalists don't even bother knowing the terminology and indexes. What for? The main thing is to write bitingly ... And then the grass does not grow

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    The frontier is not the modernization of Yars, but the new ICBM. On the same BZHRK Barguzin, they are going to set the Frontier, not Yars.

    In fact, you even read inattentively. I wrote DEVELOPMENTrather than modernization. However, this does not mean at all that this is a new rocket. This may simply be a further development of YaRS. With a new breeding system, new combat equipment, new fuel ...

    In addition, both the military and the MIT specialists have never said or asserted that Rubezh will be on the Barguzin. It was always said only that it could be a rocket created using the developments in the Yars, Yars-M and Bulava missiles. In 2012 it was said that it could be YARS, RUBEZH or BULAVA missiles. In 2014 it will be YARS or YARS-M missiles. And what will happen is still generally unknown, since the EP was completed only in 2014 ... And you are already claiming that there will be "Rubezh"
  20. Old26
    Old26 19 December 2015 00: 34 New
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    And what's wrong? Or should the minister report to the media when and where and how many times test launches were made? His statement is a statement of fact. Because trials are always flaws and mistakes.

    You so, sorry, firmly believe in writing that Vanguard is the same as ABROADthat you don’t even perceive inconsistencies of this version. I will repeat it again, maybe it will reach you this time. The minister did not report to the media. The Minister reported to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, that is, the President of Russia. Not the media, but the President. In July 2011 years. The report was broadcast live.
    It was said in Russian that by July 2011 several tests of the complex were carried out "VANGUARD". In September was the first (unsuccessful) test of the complex "Frontier", The test was also officially announced. Test Vanguard was BEFORE the test ABROAD. Is this at least clear ????

    Quote: NEXUS
    The fact that the Voivode goes along a ballistic, that is, a predictable trajectory throughout the flight, can not be said about Sarmatia, which at such speeds changes direction both horizontally and in height. And how is GBI intercepting it, I'm interested in?

    Yeah. Two rockets with ABSOLUTELY THE SAME MOTOR INSTALLATION. In one case, it follows a ballistic trajectory and cannot maneuver, and OTHER CASES DOES IT CHANGE DIRECTIONS FOR HORIZON AND HEIGHT ???? Interesting, isn't it? And what did all this do ???
    You again have two completely different messages put together into one. The first is a rocket, the second is a winged hypersonic warhead, which should be able to maneuver in height and horizon, bypassing missile defense zones. For you, all this was summed up into a rocket, which will maneuver about altitude and horizon, without any control mechanisms. True, with such a flight, it is generally unknown where it will go.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 December 2015 00: 59 New
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      Quote: Old26
      It was said in Russian that by July 2011, several tests of the AVANTGARDE complex had been carried out. In September there was the first (unsuccessful) test of the "RUBEZH" complex, the test was also officially announced. The Vanguard test was BEFORE the BORDER test. Is that even clear ????

      Sorry, but you don’t have to chew what I saw and understood the first time. Many sources and ICBMs call YRS-M and Vanguard. Moreover, these are WORKING names until the missile is put into service. Although Rubezh is not a modernization , and a completely new rocket.

      Quote: Old26
      Yeah. Two missiles with an ABSOLUTELY SAME MOTOR INSTALLATION.

      About how ... but why such a conclusion then? The conversation is about a fundamentally new missile that will be able to break through not only the current missile defense systems but also the missile defense of the near future.
      According to your logic, it turns out that Sarmat is the same Voivode, only facilitated. So, why did you have to extend the life cycle of missiles on duty for so many years, if you could not bother continuing to rivet the Voivods and stupidly change new ones to those that worked your cycle?