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The delivery of the armored vehicles "Scorpion LSHA-2B" to the troops will begin in 2016 g

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The Ministry of Defense will start receiving armored vehicles "Scorpion LSHA-2B" in 4 quarter of 2016 g, reports MIC With reference to Sergey Starun, General Director of Zashchita.




“The first delivery of the Scorpion LSHA-2B armored vehicles to the Ground Forces will begin in the fourth quarter of 2016. During this period, the delivery of two previously ordered batches of armored vehicles will be carried out at once, ”said Starun.

“The delivery of the first batch was postponed to 2016 year due to a certain delay in the qualification tests of armored vehicles and was combined with the planned delivery of the second batch,” he explained.

According to the general director, “the outcome of the discussed state defense order adjustment for the Scorpion LSHA-2B may be an increase in production of several times the total number of armored vehicles for the Russian army.”

"Scorpion LSHA-2" was originally intended for special purpose units. However, “the military department proposed to expand the scope of both armored and non-armored vehicles, developing command-staff vehicles, communication vehicles, radar, medical, and other vehicles, based on them,” said Deputy Chief Designer Viktor Sevastyanov.
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  1. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 16 December 2015 18: 28
    +2
    machine like nothing like her tth
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 16 December 2015 18: 32
      14
      Scorpio producers have Damask steel


      Clickable
      1. romanru4
        romanru4 16 December 2015 19: 07
        12
        It looks like it is based on the ZIL-157. I already saw something similar in my early childhood. laughing
        1. wow
          wow 16 December 2015 19: 13
          +6
          Yes, something very similar to one of the first Soviet armored personnel carriers based on the ZIL-157.
          1. jjj
            jjj 16 December 2015 19: 23
            +7
            After the "seven" - Zil-157, there was Zil-131. And up to Zis-151. I had a chance to manage them. The handlebars swing arm muscles better than simulators
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 16 December 2015 20: 29
            +4
            Yeah, exactly, the rebirth of the BTR-152))
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 16 December 2015 22: 19
            +6
            Quote: yo-mine
            similar to one of the first Soviet armored personnel carriers based on the ZIL-157

            In addition to the location of the bridges, special similarity is not visible what
            And if the transmission is taken from the 157th - so it is for the best: the all-terrain vehicle was "tank-like" wink
        2. serega1512
          serega1512 17 December 2015 09: 47
          +1
          laughing in the Taman division on a pedestal stands 100 years
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 17 December 2015 10: 45
            +1
            Quote: serega1512
            laughing in the Taman division on a pedestal stands 100 years

            It all started with this, ours copied from the "German"
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 16 December 2015 19: 11
        +3
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Scorpio producers have Damask steel



        Scorpio, judging by the photo, will be much easier ...
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 16 December 2015 19: 18
        -3
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Scorpio producers have Damask steel


        Clickable

        Yo! Tank on wheels.
        Why "Lynx", etc. stalled "?
        Wheeled vehicles for the transport of military force will be very in demand during the liberation of Europe lol They also have ROADS and other monuments of ancient architecture there. Current people do not correspond to the current population, to put it mildly ..
    2. kil 31
      kil 31 16 December 2015 18: 35
      41
      I’m already confused how many different we are going to release and release. It seems that a fashion has appeared, each plant is obliged to release lightly armored vehicles. Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 16 December 2015 19: 07
        13
        Quote: Kil 31
        I’m already confused how many different we are going to release and release. It seems that a fashion has appeared, each plant is obliged to release lightly armored vehicles. Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

        And I mean too! Isn't there too many different equipment for the army? Tiger, wolf, out of the cargo. Typhoons and even Typhoons))) And what is this next platform? Whose units are produced? My heart feels like a mechanic - it smells like another "Ivek", how to drink. Where is the main thing - UNIFICATION and IMPORT SUBSTITUTION?
        1. Voltsky
          Voltsky 16 December 2015 20: 06
          +5
          Monsieur Rogozin did not follow, let less "will be done / so exactly" and more will be done, and we have achieved absolute unification. And a typhoon stillborn in it of imported dofiga parts, + the meaning of a jeep the size of a truck?
      2. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 16 December 2015 19: 19
        +6
        I agree, the trouble begins, a tiger, a lynx, a typhoon, and now this one ... It feels like some complexes after 50 years of UAZ ...
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 16 December 2015 19: 22
        -4
        Quote: keel 31
        . Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

        "Shell" on the platform "Kurganets" AT MY VIEW the most unified good
        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 16 December 2015 21: 22
          +5
          Quote: GSH-18
          Shell "on the platform" Kurganets "AT MY LOOK the most unified

          What is a Shell on the Kurganets platform? BTR Shell is an independent topic and was created on the basis of BMD-4 exclusively for the Airborne Forces. Kurganets is a modular platform, quite heavy for domestic equipment, engine power like a tank is from 700 to 750 l.s.
      4. self-propelled
        self-propelled 16 December 2015 19: 33
        +6
        Quote: keel 31
        I’m already confused how many different we are going to release and release.

        "going to release" and "release" - two big differences (as they say in Odessa). at the moment, MO has a large selection in the proposed technique. but ... "I would buy everything and with a margin" does not work nowadays. the manufacturer shows its capabilities, so to speak, "product by face" (hence the "pickle" at the stands of all kinds of exhibitions), the customer has the freedom of choice. from there and
        the feeling that fashion has appeared, each plant is obliged to release lightly armored vehicles
        , i.e. the most ordinary struggle for government orders ...
        Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

        but this has already been said more than once - all that is needed is to create (and, if desired and approved by the government, this is not a big problem) a certain "line" of engines and a set of units (several gearboxes, "hand-outs", suspension options, etc. .P.). only in the struggle for the defense order it is not the "best mechanics" that wins, but the best (or rather, closer to the top) "manager" ... alas
      5. Voltsky
        Voltsky 16 December 2015 20: 01
        -4
        and because you don’t have and
        Quote: Kil 31
        I’m already confused how many different we are going to release and release. It seems that a fashion has appeared, each plant is obliged to release lightly armored vehicles. Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

        but because nothing has changed since Rurik’s time, the left hand is not aware of what the right hand is doing.
      6. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 17 December 2015 02: 46
        +1
        So I think about the same thing. And what about the "Tiger", or is this easier, in another class? How many armored vehicles (types) does an army need? With "Lynx" - it is clear, this is Iveko, if, I'm not mistaken, it was fashionable under Serdyukov, now import substitution. But still, how many types of armored vehicles does the army need?
        I don’t say anything, I just ask. Will this variegation be expensive and troublesome in content? Maybe it's better to take one platform? Or GAZ just can not cope?
    3. SANAY
      SANAY 16 December 2015 18: 56
      0
      Cool car!
      1. Berkut-UA
        Berkut-UA 16 December 2015 21: 56
        0
        if there was still a civilian option (without weapons and without extra weight from the armor) - I would buy, I would ... go on a hunt
      2. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 16 December 2015 22: 17
        10
        Cool! But I like "WOLF" better ...
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 17 December 2015 10: 48
          +2
          Quote: Prapor-527
          Cool! But I like "WOLF" better ...

          And the "Wolf" with a mortar is even cooler!
        2. Denis.Ka
          Denis.Ka 17 December 2015 12: 35
          +1
          A WOLF is a TIGER replacement machine. SCORPION is a replacement for the goat.http: //www.skorpion4x4.com/client.htm
    4. Sweles
      Sweles 16 December 2015 19: 35
      12
      Polish engine of Andoria 0501 was dragged to Scorpio
      -power 136l / s

      Leading designer of the armored vehicle of this vehicle


      - At the request of the Ministry of Defense, basic protection is provided against the detonation of an explosive device, equivalent to 600 g of TNT, at any point on the bottom. We plan that the car will hold a detonation of at least 2 kg under the bottom. And under the wheel it can even be up to 4 kg. In the event of a 600 g blast, a single-level protection with a raised floor is enough, but with a 2 kg blast, you will need to set several levels of protection.
      But you need to understand that installing a turret, 6a class protection against shelling, multi-level protection against detonation, will lead to the fact that for an existing engine the load will become heavy. Now we are working in this direction, studying the capabilities of more powerful engines.

      - Are you considering the option of installing domestic engines? For example, YaMZ, which GAZ Group uses at Tigr-M?

      - YaMZ, in comparison with Andoria, is much heavier and larger. If you install it, you will have to change the layout of the Scorpion, and LSHA B will move to a more "heavy" class of cars. We, of course, focus on the use of domestic components, but sometimes they are not there, but you still need to make a car.

      http://twower.livejournal.com/807403.html
      So the "Lead Armored Hull Designer" says ours don't make the right engines? Is it so? For example, the Yaroslavl Plant of Diesel Engines already produces from 13g a line of four-cylinder engines YMZ 5340/5344/53442, which have similar parameters in terms of power and dimensions
      -power 136l / s







      http://www.yamzopt.ru/catalog/yamz/engines/euro-4/euro4-l4t-5340.html
      the question arises, why do we need the engine of the NATO country and why is the "chief designer" lying on the Scorpion hulls?
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 16 December 2015 20: 36
        0
        So the "Lead Armored Hull Designer" says ours don't make the right engines? Is it so? For example, the Yaroslavl Diesel Engine Plant produces already from 13g a line of engines with four cylinders YaMZ

        I will disappoint you a little, but the diesels of the YaMZ-530 family, how to put it mildly, are somewhat oversupplied for the Scorpion (4.4 liters of volume for a 4-cylinder diesel and 6.6 for a 6-cylinder). similar motors are installed on heavier cars (for example, the GAZ Tiger)
        but a normal diesel for cars in 2.0-3.0l. in Russia and no
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 16 December 2015 20: 56
          +1
          Quote: self-propelled
          I will disappoint you a little, but the diesels of the YaMZ-530 family, how to put it mildly, are somewhat oversupplied for the Scorpion (4.4 liters of volume for a 4-cylinder diesel and 6.6 for a 6-cylinder). similar motors are installed on heavier cars (for example, the GAZ Tiger)
          but a normal diesel for cars in 2.0-3.0l. in Russia and no


          I was not upset because YaMZ530 and YaMZ 5340- engines are different, but even the same YaMZ530 four cylinders

          TECH SPECS
          engines of the YaMZ-530 series
          YaMZ-533 YaMZ-534 YaMZ-536
          Engine type Diesel, 4-stroke, turbocharged, direct fuel injection, liquid cooling, charge air cooling.
          Number of Cylinders 3 4 6
          Working volume, l 3 4 6
          Diameter and piston stroke, mm 102/122
          Power at a rotational speed of 2400 rpm, kW (hp) 1 (88) 120 (117) 160 (176)
          Maximum torque at a speed of 1100-1300 min-1, N.m (kgf.m) 392 (40) 588 (60) 882 (90)
          Minimum specific fuel consumption, g / kW.h (g / hp.h) 204 (150) 201 (148) 201 (148)
          Oil consumption,% to fuel consumption 0,3
          Engine weight, kg 370 420 600
          Dimensions, mm
          - length 972 1240
          - width 712 740
          - height 836 836
          - height of the crankshaft axis 300 300
          So the engine weight is even less than 370kg and the dimensions are the same.
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 16 December 2015 21: 19
            0
            Quote: Sveles
            I was not upset because yamz530 and yamz 5340- engines are different

            that they were not upset is good (adequate people in our time are very rare drinks )
            diesel engines YaMZ-530 and YaMZ-534xx different, I do not argue ...
            different in that YaMZ-530 is the designation of a family of 4- and 6-cylinder diesel engines (the number of cylinders is indicated by the third digit in the engine index 534 - 4 cylinders, 536 - 6 cylinders. Subsequent digits in the index are modifications of the "base" motors ) ...
            Now about cars with these engines
            Have you seen the "Tiger" (not a tank, but a GAZ car) live? the car is not small enough (the "goat" from the UAZ against the background of the "Tiger" is a kind of undersized)

            on "Tigers", that with the YMZ-530 engine on the hood there is a characteristic "hump" (in contrast to cars with a Cummins diesel engine) because even for the "Tiger" the engine is somewhat larger smile in size. and you want to put a similar engine on the "Scorpion" (which is a "classmate" of the UAZ)?
            1. Sweles
              Sweles 16 December 2015 21: 38
              +1
              Quote: self-propelled
              Izel YaMZ-530 and YaMZ-534hh different, I do not argue ...

              that's not a sport
              yamz xnumx

              yamz xnumx

              1. self-propelled
                self-propelled 16 December 2015 22: 08
                0
                Quote: Sveles
                that's not a sport

                I see understand the situation just does not work ...
                let's go from simple. dear, if it does not bother you, can you indicate the diameter and piston stroke for YaMZ-534 and YaMZ-536 engines? for some reason I’m sure that there is no difference. I will say more - they are interchangeable (because they are the same).
                the dimensions indicated in the figures (I think you wanted to show me the difference in the linear dimensions of the engines) are, so to speak, "basic", because they may differ (as an example, the use of a different oil pan, a changed configuration of the intake and exhaust systems, different impellers for turbocharging, the presence of ( or absence) of intercooling systems for charge air, etc., etc.)

                ... yes, by the way, what do you think is the difference between YaMZ-530 and YaMZ-534 diesel engines?
                1. Sweles
                  Sweles 17 December 2015 08: 22
                  0
                  Quote: self-propelled
                  I see understand the situation just does not work ...


                  why break into the wilds? there are overall dimensions of the engine from which it can be seen that the six-cylinder is 8cm higher and wider, and therefore two cylinders longer and harder, find the dimensions for this andoria 0501 and everything will become clear, but for some reason there is no data on the net, but I do not intend to believe the words of this constructor.
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        3. Sweles
          Sweles 16 December 2015 21: 13
          0
          as for the Tiger, there is a six-cylinder engine, of course, the dimensions and weight are greater.
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 16 December 2015 21: 33
            0
            Quote: Sveles
            as for the Tiger, there is a six-cylinder engine, of course, the dimensions and weight are greater.

            crash itself. only the 4-cylinder YaMZ-534 will be slightly smaller than the diesel engine from the ZiL "Bychka" (tractor "Belarus" for a simpler understanding). The very idea of ​​putting such an engine on the UAZ frame (and the "Scorpion" is a classmate of the UAZ) looks utopian (although if you wish ... is it just necessary?)
            1. Sweles
              Sweles 16 December 2015 21: 45
              0
              Quote: self-propelled
              Quote: Sveles
              as for the Tiger, there is a six-cylinder engine, of course, the dimensions and weight are greater.

              crash itself. only the 4-cylinder YaMZ-534 will be slightly smaller than the diesel engine from the ZiL "Bychka" (tractor "Belarus" for a simpler understanding). The very idea of ​​putting such an engine on the UAZ frame (and the "Scorpion" is a classmate of the UAZ) looks utopian (although if you wish ... is it just necessary?)


              I did not find the performance characteristics of this andoria, but the andoria class below
              ANDORIA 6CT107
              Maximum power [kW / hp] 101/138
              Stroke / Diameter [mm] 107,2 / 120,7
              Displacement [cm3] 6540
              16: 1 compression ratio
              Порядок работы цилиндров 1-5-3-6-2-4
              Liquid cooling
              Weight [kg] 560
              they have an engine weight even greater than yamz 5344, it was not bad to compare correctly, but it does not seem to me that the difference will be significant.
              1. self-propelled
                self-propelled 16 December 2015 22: 18
                0
                Quote: Sveles
                I did not find the performance characteristics of this andoria

                Polish diesel Andoria 0501 ADCR is put on "Scorpions"
                4's Cylinder Diesel with Displacement 2636 cm 3 power 136 hp
                what you indicated in the comment above as "class below" actually have on "two classes above"
                "you shouldn't try to shove it into the unstoppable"
                1. Sweles
                  Sweles 16 December 2015 22: 57
                  0
                  Well Duc, bring full engine performance characteristics ...
                  1. self-propelled
                    self-propelled 16 December 2015 23: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Sveles
                    Well Duc, bring full engine performance characteristics ...

                    Maximum power [hp] - 136 at 3700 rev.
                    Maximum torque 250 Nm at 1800-2400 rev.
                    Stroke / Diameter [mm] 94/95
                    Compression 17: 1
                    Unfortunately, I do not have such beautiful pictures with linear dimensions of the motor. as well as data on the weight of the motor (different sources indicate from 280 to 397 kg.). but for comparison, I propose to take the dimension of the cylinder-piston group - 94/95 против 107/120 (diameter / piston stroke) (as an example for comparison diesel of the D-240 family (tractor "Belarus") 110/125 and UAZ ZMZ 2.7l 85/94 (by the way, YaMZ-530 has a CPG dimension 105 \ 128))
                    1. Sweles
                      Sweles 17 December 2015 00: 21
                      0
                      Quote: self-propelled
                      Quote: Sveles
                      Well Duc, bring full engine performance characteristics ...

                      Maximum power [hp] - 136 at 3700 rev.
                      Maximum torque 250 Nm at 1800-2400 rev.
                      Stroke / Diameter [mm] 94/95
                      Compression 17: 1
                      Unfortunately, I do not have such beautiful pictures with linear dimensions of the motor. as well as data on the weight of the motor (different sources indicate from 280 to 397 kg.). but for comparison, I propose to take the dimension of the cylinder-piston group - 94/95 против 107/120 (diameter / piston stroke) (as an example for comparison diesel of the D-240 family (tractor "Belarus") 110/125 and UAZ ZMZ 2.7l 85/94 (by the way, YaMZ-530 has a CPG dimension 105 \ 128))


                      no link please.
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    6. Atrix
      Atrix 16 December 2015 22: 50
      +1
      One thing surprised me in the photo. And in Russia, that there are no tire manufacturers of their own ??? Why Cooper (USA) ???
  2. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 16 December 2015 18: 28
    10
    As far as I know, this car is built on the basis of foreign components. Is it that we are stepping on the same rake again?
  3. arane
    arane 16 December 2015 18: 29
    +6
    I'm certainly not special in this area, but we have some kind of variety of all kinds of different armored vehicles. How this will affect the supply and repair is not clear.
  4. lelikas
    lelikas 16 December 2015 18: 29
    +1
    What class of protection do armored models have? Are we really the loss of UAZ in the army? laughing
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 16 December 2015 18: 32
      +2
      Quietly with himself ... laughing Here it is interesting to read about him - http://twower.livejournal.com/1789601.html
  5. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 16 December 2015 18: 29
    +1
    Is the range of such machines too wide? "Tiger", "Lynx", "Typhoon" ... Now this "Scorpion". They seem to have declared maximum unification, but in reality ...
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 16 December 2015 18: 54
      +1
      To a point. Too wide. The Germans indulged in something similar with the nomenclature of technology (equipment in general). The result is known.
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  7. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 16 December 2015 18: 31
    0
    I think the price will play an important role. Scorpio is almost a meter shorter, other sizes are comparable. Also, it is significantly lighter than the Tiger (Curb ratio: 6400 kg / 4400 kg, full ratio: 7600 kg / 5000 kg). Although, at the same time, the carrying capacity is less. Of course, the Andoria import engine (I’m not sure about 2B, it was at LSA-1) is also not a clear advantage of Scorpio. And I want to note that this is still a pilot industrial party, after its evaluation, a decision will be made on whether it is needed.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 16 December 2015 19: 02
      +3
      Damn, Dryunya2 here an interesting game with your comments tossed. I found this one too. http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/66364/ laughing
  8. satelit24
    satelit24 16 December 2015 18: 33
    +3
    What, their rubber was not found?
  9. cap
    cap 16 December 2015 18: 33
    0
    Here is what I found!
    Four-cylinder turbodiesel of the Polish company Andoria. With a working volume of 2,7 liters, it produces 156 hp. This is not the old army UAZ with its 75-horsepower engine! By the way, the representatives of Zashchita claim that they have already signed an agreement with the Poles for licensed assembly of engines in Russia. If the assembly begins (and it all depends on the number of vehicles ordered by the army), then the motor will cease to be imported! As we know, 60 have already been ordered, it remains to find out how civil buyers will react. The armored Scorpion LSHA B has so far been shod with imported off-road tires with anti-tamper inserts. Perhaps, over time, the wheels will also pick up domestic. The same goes for Korean gearboxes and gearboxes, most likely Ssang Yong. They, too, are planned to begin to be made with us over time, which means nodes. The batteries here are tank, a new model.
    The description is long just type the name and you're done.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 16 December 2015 18: 54
      +4
      Quote: cap
      representatives of the "Protection" claim that they have already signed an agreement with the Poles for the licensed assembly of engines in Russia. If the assembly begins (and it all depends on the number of vehicles ordered by the army), the motor will cease to be imported!

      With the Poles ... yeah, smart, ... and most importantly, reliable. The word Pole is stone. A component for a license. assembly where they will do?
    2. Sweles
      Sweles 16 December 2015 21: 09
      0
      Quote: cap
      Four-cylinder turbodiesel of the Polish company Andoria. With a working volume of 2,7 liters, it produces 156 hp.


      but tell me if the performance characteristics of this engine, andoria?
  10. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 December 2015 18: 35
    0
    It’s quite some kind of small one. It seems as if it’s crowded in the cabin. And there are only 4 people behind. Although the unit is quite interestingly arranged!
  11. sober
    sober 16 December 2015 18: 36
    +4

    here is such a machine !!!
  12. erased
    erased 16 December 2015 18: 53
    +3
    As events in Syria showed, basically Lynx-Iveco was sent there. Type the Tigers have weak mine protection. Whether or not I don’t know. It turns out that the advertised Tigers are not so cool. The wolf at the Tiger base has not yet been accepted. Now here is the LSA. And there is Bulat, Shot ...
    Each manufacturer pulls a blanket of orders for himself, but in the end it turns out that not the best machine is accepted. Pachamu ??
    Maybe patam shta lobby steers? Or is someone trying to put a car ground for one task into another? Or how is it?
    But Iveco, smeared in the mud with criticism, is riding around Syria and doesn't seem to spit on him. Au Serdyukov!
    And by the way, what will Kaltenbrunner say about this?
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 16 December 2015 19: 07
      0
      Quote: erased
      As events in Syria showed, basically Lynx-Iveco was sent there. Type the Tigers have weak mine protection. Whether or not I don’t know. It turns out that the advertised Tigers are not so cool. The wolf at the Tiger base has not yet been accepted. Now here is the LSA. And there is Bulat, Shot ...
      Each manufacturer pulls a blanket of orders for himself, but in the end it turns out that not the best machine is accepted. Pachamu ??
      Maybe patam shta lobby steers? Or is someone trying to put a car ground for one task into another? Or how is it?
      But Iveco, smeared in the mud with criticism, is riding around Syria and doesn't seem to spit on him. Au Serdyukov!
      And by the way, what will Kaltenbrunner say about this?

      I don't know about Iveco, but there are some. After this war, it will be clear how the "Chinese" showed themselves.
    2. Vulkan raven
      Vulkan raven 17 December 2015 02: 00
      +1
      Are you sure that there are no Tigers in SAR? What do you mean?

      1. RUSS
        RUSS 17 December 2015 10: 50
        0
        Quote: Vulkan Raven
        Are you sure that there are no Tigers in SAR? What do you mean?
  13. starchina pv
    starchina pv 16 December 2015 18: 54
    0
    Why are there so many different kinds of cars?
  14. Tjeck
    Tjeck 16 December 2015 18: 54
    0
    variety is certainly good, but in my opinion, with army jeeps, busting is already beginning. more than two models are extra costs since a large batch is cheaper. in full would be enough for the example of a scorpion or iveco as a light and a tiger or typhoon as a heavy, but not all at once.
    1. Bugivugi
      Bugivugi 16 December 2015 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: erased
      As events in Syria showed, basically Lynx-Iveco was sent there. Type the Tigers have weak mine protection. Whether or not I don’t know. It turns out that the advertised Tigers are not so cool. The wolf at the Tiger base has not yet been accepted. Now here is the LSA. And there is Bulat, Shot ...
      Each manufacturer pulls a blanket of orders for himself, but in the end it turns out that not the best machine is accepted. Pachamu ??
      Maybe patam shta lobby steers? Or is someone trying to put a car ground for one task into another? Or how is it?
      But Iveco, smeared in the mud with criticism, is riding around Syria and doesn't seem to spit on him. Au Serdyukov!
      And by the way, what will Kaltenbrunner say about this?

      this is a competition, I think they will choose the best.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 16 December 2015 21: 00
      0
      Quote: Tjeck
      variety is certainly good, but in my opinion, with army jeeps, busting is already beginning. more than two models are extra costs since a large batch is cheaper. in full would be enough for the example of a scorpion or iveco as a light and a tiger or typhoon as a heavy, but not all at once.

      "Scorpion" - to replace the UAZ.
      "Tiger" - rather an armored personnel carrier, it has its own niche.
      "Typhoonok" is a light armored vehicle, suitable for landing.
      "Wolf" is a further development of "Tiger".
  15. Egor123
    Egor123 16 December 2015 18: 57
    0
    Let's hope the car pays off good
  16. newcomer
    newcomer 16 December 2015 19: 01
    +4
    wow good machine. having made import substitution (it seems already done), our machine is fully functional.
  17. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 16 December 2015 19: 05
    +1
    Quote: cap
    If the assembly begins (and it all depends on the number of vehicles ordered by the army), then the motor will cease to be imported!

    And the parts for assembling the engine will fall from the sky? Another Lynx, which was also planned to be produced here? The stooltkin case lives on! Why is it so interesting that imported products are so "smeared" that the Ministry of Defense does not want to buy domestic cars, which have already been made a lot and have not proved that they are not suitable for the army! It looks like stepping on the "stool" rake for the Ministry of Defense is a common thing!
  18. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 16 December 2015 19: 06
    -1
    Something I do not quite understand, why buy units with imported components for the army? In an armored car, it is difficult to haunt something. Let our oak tree be better, but there are no problems with the repair, and this one also has a Polish engine - well, this is necessary, eh? What, again someone's "interests" stick out from under the table?
  19. Yarik
    Yarik 16 December 2015 19: 28
    +1
    Quote: starchina pv
    Why are there so many different kinds of cars?


    "Saw", sawing, apparently not for long. The subject of "sawing" is rapidly depleted. However, you can borrow from pensioners.
  20. kapitan92
    kapitan92 16 December 2015 19: 41
    +5
    Let's start! "Lynx", "Tiger". "Wolf". "Bulat". "Shot", "Typhoonok", "Scorpion", "Kurganets", "Shell",
    as my battalion commander said: -What will we repair? fellow
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 16 December 2015 21: 03
      0
      Quote: kapitan92
      Let's start! "Lynx", "Tiger". "Wolf". "Bulat". "Shot", "Typhoonok", "Scorpion", "Kurganets", "Shell",
      as my battalion commander said: -What will we repair? fellow

      "Bulat", "Lynx", "Shot" - these are more likely to go into the series, and if they do, then in very limited quantities. "Lynx" is definitely produced and will not be purchased.
  21. Zhnec
    Zhnec 16 December 2015 19: 41
    +1
    Quote: Scary_L.
    As far as I know, this car is built on the basis of foreign components. Is it that we are stepping on the same rake again?

    Most likely it is. No unification. Behind the usual unit, you will need to drag a whole convoy of spare parts for each unit of equipment.
  22. gla172
    gla172 16 December 2015 19: 44
    +7
    Quote: yo-mine
    Yes, something very similar to one of the first Soviet armored personnel carriers based on the ZIL-157.


    "Kalun" is a WORKER !!!
  23. Zhnec
    Zhnec 16 December 2015 19: 47
    0
    On the hunt just right ...
    1. iAi
      iAi 27 December 2015 12: 12
      0
      Buy yourself a Gazelle (Sable) four-wheel drive and ride.
      You can book it as collectors.
  24. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 December 2015 19: 49
    0
    I watched cross-country tests, it goes very well. This is the only replacement for UAZ. It must be put on the conveyor, and always with a civilian counterpart.
  25. Voltsky
    Voltsky 16 December 2015 20: 34
    -6
    Quote: Zaurbek
    I watched cross-country tests, it goes very well. This is the only replacement for UAZ. It must be put on the conveyor, and always with a civilian counterpart.

    He is ugly, what a civilian counterpart? armored cornfield
  26. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 16 December 2015 21: 01
    0
    I realized that he reminds me - LuAZ.
  27. gla172
    gla172 16 December 2015 21: 15
    +1
    Quote: Voletsky
    ? armored cornfield



    By the way, NIVA is the world's first "light SUV" or "SUV" as it is now fashionable to say.
  28. Uruska
    Uruska 16 December 2015 21: 20
    0
    Well, should the division commander (regiment, separate battalion) ride something? Or UAZ all the time to drive? Some kind of protection should be!
  29. Voltsky
    Voltsky 16 December 2015 21: 39
    -3
    Quote: gla172
    Quote: Voletsky
    ? armored cornfield



    By the way, NIVA is the world's first "light SUV" or "SUV" as it is now fashionable to say.

    So what ?! By the way, Caravel was the first vessel to officially overcome the Atlantic Ocean, do not want to install caliber with onyx on them ?! I repeat for sofas, aesthetics this device is ugly, and in the civilian version only a pervert is ready to buy it. On urapatriotizma you can’t get to the civilian automotive market, and it can only seem to clinical imbalance as a good idea
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 16 December 2015 22: 03
      +2
      Aesthetically, the Hummer is no less ugly. And there are enough perverts for him.
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 16 December 2015 22: 25
        -3
        Quote: Stranger
        Aesthetically, the Hummer is no less ugly. And there are enough perverts for him.

        Well, the hammer for those years was very, very, and now it’s just a classic (a 2/3 hammer is also not very popular, they buy it mainly because of the brand), and this trough is not a classic, and now it is not a cake at all in modern realities
  30. klopik1
    klopik1 16 December 2015 21: 53
    +1
    The front bridge, there is not only a soldier a conscript; an experienced engineer will not figure it out if there is a breakdown.
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 17 December 2015 09: 05
      0
      And what is there so incomprehensible? The usual independent suspension, if you look under the Niva you will see almost the same thing.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 17 December 2015 10: 53
      +4
      Quote: klopik1
      The front bridge, there is not only a soldier a conscript; an experienced engineer will not figure it out if there is a breakdown.

      You underestimate the Russian soldier.
  31. Voltsky
    Voltsky 16 December 2015 22: 04
    -1
    Quote: Berkut-UA
    if there was still a civilian option (without weapons and without extra weight from the armor) - I would buy, I would ... go on a hunt

    one more, would definitely buy a square on wheels ?! Or just in words ... a trough is terrible no matter how you say it, for the army it may be the very thing, in a civilian it will not be in demand. If I am not mistaken, then Tupolev said that if the plane is beautiful, then it will fly well. And this miracle is cut with an ax from a log.
  32. Victorio
    Victorio 16 December 2015 23: 59
    +2
    Quote: erased
    As events in Syria showed, basically Lynx-Iveco was sent there. Type the Tigers have weak mine protection. Whether or not I don’t know. It turns out that the advertised Tigers are not so cool. The wolf at the Tiger base has not yet been accepted. Now here is the LSA. And there is Bulat, Shot ...
    Each manufacturer pulls a blanket of orders for himself, but in the end it turns out that not the best machine is accepted. Pachamu ??
    Maybe patam shta lobby steers? Or is someone trying to put a car ground for one task into another? Or how is it?
    But Iveco, smeared in the mud with criticism, is riding around Syria and doesn't seem to spit on him. Au Serdyukov!
    And by the way, what will Kaltenbrunner say about this?

    ====
    why ernichat something, I doubt that you know exactly how much and why they sent a lynx iveko, and not a tiger? lynx iveko flashed on video from s-400. do you have something else?
  33. Alexdark
    Alexdark 17 December 2015 00: 58
    +1
    Another one hundred and tenth designer, assembled from "not your own"? God ...
  34. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 December 2015 04: 46
    -2
    "There will be a fight and the fight will show."
    I bet how many names of cars.
    For we now have a very strong shortage of such equipment in the troops.
    And therefore, riveting such machines should be as large as possible in large quantities and variations.
    And if something spins, then the campaign will fall off and those that are not suitable in combat conditions.
  35. Wolka
    Wolka 17 December 2015 05: 47
    0
    for me, it is so good to rivet "chipmunks", there are already a lot of these models of armored cars in the RF Armed Forces, but more than one thing has not been launched into the series, whatever is the verification is the same, only a side view, yeah, the budget money of the RF Ministry of Defense is being mastered, however ...
  36. ayuric
    ayuric 17 December 2015 06: 06
    0
    Quote: Atrix
    One thing surprised me in the photo. And in Russia, that there are no tire manufacturers of their own ??? Why Cooper (USA) ???

    So I saw the picture asked the same question. But here is the answer: COOPER STT is a MUD TERRAIN class tire (full off-road), in Russia there are simply no manufacturers of high-quality passenger tires of this class and dimension (33-35 inches), the closest are tires for special equipment, but there are characteristics others. + average market price tag.
  37. Zhnec
    Zhnec 17 December 2015 06: 37
    0
    On the hunt just right ...
    Quote: Voletsky
    Quote: Zaurbek
    I watched cross-country tests, it goes very well. This is the only replacement for UAZ. It must be put on the conveyor, and always with a civilian counterpart.

    He is ugly, what a civilian counterpart? armored cornfield

    On a civilian Humvee, some people think it's cool to ride ... Even limos do. So this brutal handsome man in an unarmored version will be a success. There is a buyer for each product.
    1. Denis.Ka
      Denis.Ka 17 December 2015 12: 43
      0
      http://www.skorpion4x4.com/client.htm Заказывай hi . There would be another five-door option repeat
  38. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 17 December 2015 09: 29
    0
    Quote: Volka
    for me, it is so good to rivet "chipmunks", there are already a lot of these models of armored cars in the RF Armed Forces, but more than one thing has not been launched into the series, whatever is the verification is the same, only a side view, yeah, the budget money of the RF Ministry of Defense is being mastered, however ...

    I confess I have the same impression, there are already so many developments presented, such funds for this have been lost, but no sense whatsoever. There is "Typhoon", there is "Shot", there is "Tiger", it would seem that something else to invent should be put on stream, but there is no military-industrial complex still works at exhibitions.
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