The delivery of the armored vehicles "Scorpion LSHA-2B" to the troops will begin in 2016 g

The Ministry of Defense will start receiving armored vehicles "Scorpion LSHA-2B" in 4 quarter of 2016 g, reports MIC With reference to Sergey Starun, General Director of Zashchita.

“The first delivery of the Scorpion LSHA-2B armored vehicles to the Ground Forces will begin in the fourth quarter of 2016. During this period, the delivery of two previously ordered batches of armored vehicles will be carried out at once, ”said Starun.

“The delivery of the first batch was postponed to 2016 year due to a certain delay in the qualification tests of armored vehicles and was combined with the planned delivery of the second batch,” he explained.

According to the general director, “the outcome of the discussed state defense order adjustment for the Scorpion LSHA-2B may be an increase in production of several times the total number of armored vehicles for the Russian army.”

"Scorpion LSHA-2" was originally intended for special purpose units. However, “the military department proposed to expand the scope of both armored and non-armored vehicles, developing command-staff vehicles, communication vehicles, radar, medical, and other vehicles, based on them,” said Deputy Chief Designer Viktor Sevastyanov.

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[wicked pinnochio]

machine like nothing like her tth

[Denis Obukhov]

Scorpio producers have Damask steel


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[romanru4]

It looks like it is based on the ZIL-157. I already saw something similar in my early childhood.

[wow]

Yes, something very similar to one of the first Soviet armored personnel carriers based on the ZIL-157.

[jjj]

After the "seven" - Zil-157, there was Zil-131. And up to Zis-151. I had a chance to manage them. The handlebars swing arm muscles better than simulators

[Mikado]

Yeah, exactly, the rebirth of the BTR-152))

[avia1991]

Quote: yo-mine

similar to one of the first Soviet armored personnel carriers based on the ZIL-157

In addition to the location of the bridges, special similarity is not visible
And if the transmission is taken from the 157th - so it is for the best: the all-terrain vehicle was "tank-like"

[serega1512]

in the Taman division on a pedestal stands 100 years

[RUSS]

Quote: serega1512

in the Taman division on a pedestal stands 100 years

It all started with this, ours copied from the "German"

[veksha50]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Scorpio producers have Damask steel

Scorpio, judging by the photo, will be much easier ...

[GSH-18]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Scorpio producers have Damask steel


Clickable

Yo! Tank on wheels.
Why "Lynx", etc. stalled "?
Wheeled vehicles for the transport of military force will be very in demand during the liberation of Europe They also have ROADS and other monuments of ancient architecture there. Current people do not correspond to the current population, to put it mildly ..

[kil 31]

I’m already confused how many different we are going to release and release. It seems that a fashion has appeared, each plant is obliged to release lightly armored vehicles. Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

[VOLCHOXURAL]

Quote: Kil 31

I’m already confused how many different we are going to release and release. It seems that a fashion has appeared, each plant is obliged to release lightly armored vehicles. Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

And I mean too! Isn't there too many different equipment for the army? Tiger, wolf, out of the cargo. Typhoons and even Typhoons))) And what is this next platform? Whose units are produced? My heart feels like a mechanic - it smells like another "Ivek", how to drink. Where is the main thing - UNIFICATION and IMPORT SUBSTITUTION?

[Voltsky]

Monsieur Rogozin did not follow, let less "will be done / so exactly" and more will be done, and we have achieved absolute unification. And a typhoon stillborn in it of imported dofiga parts, + the meaning of a jeep the size of a truck?

[Alex_Rarog]

I agree, the trouble begins, a tiger, a lynx, a typhoon, and now this one ... It feels like some complexes after 50 years of UAZ ...

[GSH-18]

Quote: keel 31

. Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

"Shell" on the platform "Kurganets" AT MY VIEW the most unified

[avdkrd]

Quote: GSH-18

Shell "on the platform" Kurganets "AT MY LOOK the most unified

What is a Shell on the Kurganets platform? BTR Shell is an independent topic and was created on the basis of BMD-4 exclusively for the Airborne Forces. Kurganets is a modular platform, quite heavy for domestic equipment, engine power like a tank is from 700 to 750 l.s.

[self-propelled]

Quote: keel 31

I’m already confused how many different we are going to release and release.

"going to release" and "release" - two big differences (as they say in Odessa). at the moment, MO has a large selection in the proposed technique. but ... "I would buy everything and with a margin" does not work nowadays. the manufacturer shows its capabilities, so to speak, "product by face" (hence the "pickle" at the stands of all kinds of exhibitions), the customer has the freedom of choice. from there and

the feeling that fashion has appeared, each plant is obliged to release lightly armored vehicles

, i.e. the most ordinary struggle for government orders ...

Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

but this has already been said more than once - all that is needed is to create (and, if desired and approved by the government, this is not a big problem) a certain "line" of engines and a set of units (several gearboxes, "hand-outs", suspension options, etc. .P.). only in the struggle for the defense order it is not the "best mechanics" that wins, but the best (or rather, closer to the top) "manager" ... alas

[Voltsky]

and because you don’t have and

Quote: Kil 31

I’m already confused how many different we are going to release and release. It seems that a fashion has appeared, each plant is obliged to release lightly armored vehicles. Where is the unification for technology, where for spare parts and import substitution?

but because nothing has changed since Rurik’s time, the left hand is not aware of what the right hand is doing.

[33 Watcher]

So I think about the same thing. And what about the "Tiger", or is this easier, in another class? How many armored vehicles (types) does an army need? With "Lynx" - it is clear, this is Iveko, if, I'm not mistaken, it was fashionable under Serdyukov, now import substitution. But still, how many types of armored vehicles does the army need?
I don’t say anything, I just ask. Will this variegation be expensive and troublesome in content? Maybe it's better to take one platform? Or GAZ just can not cope?

[SANAY]

Cool car!

[Berkut-UA]

if there was still a civilian option (without weapons and without extra weight from the armor) - I would buy, I would ... go on a hunt

[Prapor-527]

Cool! But I like "WOLF" better ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Prapor-527

Cool! But I like "WOLF" better ...

And the "Wolf" with a mortar is even cooler!

[Denis.Ka]

A WOLF is a TIGER replacement machine. SCORPION is a replacement for the goat.http: //www.skorpion4x4.com/client.htm

[Sweles]

Polish engine of Andoria 0501 was dragged to Scorpio
-power 136l / s

Leading designer of the armored vehicle of this vehicle

- At the request of the Ministry of Defense, basic protection is provided against the detonation of an explosive device, equivalent to 600 g of TNT, at any point on the bottom. We plan that the car will hold a detonation of at least 2 kg under the bottom. And under the wheel it can even be up to 4 kg. In the event of a 600 g blast, a single-level protection with a raised floor is enough, but with a 2 kg blast, you will need to set several levels of protection.
But you need to understand that installing a turret, 6a class protection against shelling, multi-level protection against detonation, will lead to the fact that for an existing engine the load will become heavy. Now we are working in this direction, studying the capabilities of more powerful engines.

- Are you considering the option of installing domestic engines? For example, YaMZ, which GAZ Group uses at Tigr-M?

- YaMZ, in comparison with Andoria, is much heavier and larger. If you install it, you will have to change the layout of the Scorpion, and LSHA B will move to a more "heavy" class of cars. We, of course, focus on the use of domestic components, but sometimes they are not there, but you still need to make a car.

http://twower.livejournal.com/807403.html
So the "Lead Armored Hull Designer" says ours don't make the right engines? Is it so? For example, the Yaroslavl Plant of Diesel Engines already produces from 13g a line of four-cylinder engines YMZ 5340/5344/53442, which have similar parameters in terms of power and dimensions
-power 136l / s

http://www.yamzopt.ru/catalog/yamz/engines/euro-4/euro4-l4t-5340.html
the question arises, why do we need the engine of the NATO country and why is the "chief designer" lying on the Scorpion hulls?

[self-propelled]

So the "Lead Armored Hull Designer" says ours don't make the right engines? Is it so? For example, the Yaroslavl Diesel Engine Plant produces already from 13g a line of engines with four cylinders YaMZ

I will disappoint you a little, but the diesels of the YaMZ-530 family, how to put it mildly, are somewhat oversupplied for the Scorpion (4.4 liters of volume for a 4-cylinder diesel and 6.6 for a 6-cylinder). similar motors are installed on heavier cars (for example, the GAZ Tiger)
but a normal diesel for cars in 2.0-3.0l. in Russia and no

[Sweles]

Quote: self-propelled

I will disappoint you a little, but the diesels of the YaMZ-530 family, how to put it mildly, are somewhat oversupplied for the Scorpion (4.4 liters of volume for a 4-cylinder diesel and 6.6 for a 6-cylinder). similar motors are installed on heavier cars (for example, the GAZ Tiger)
but a normal diesel for cars in 2.0-3.0l. in Russia and no

I was not upset because YaMZ530 and YaMZ 5340- engines are different, but even the same YaMZ530 four cylinders

Technical specifications
engines of the YaMZ-530 series
YaMZ-533 YaMZ-534 YaMZ-536
Engine type Diesel, 4-stroke, turbocharged, direct fuel injection, liquid-cooled, charge air cooled.
Number of cylinders 3 4 6
Working volume, l 3 4 6
Piston diameter and stroke, mm 102/122
Power at a speed of 2400 min-1, kW (hp) 88(120) 117(160) 176(240)
Maximum torque at a speed of 1100-1300 min-1, N.m (kgf.m) 392(40) 588(60) 882(90)
Minimum specific fuel consumption, g/kWh(g/hp.h) 204(150) 201(148) 201(148)
Oil consumption, % of fuel consumption 0,3
Engine weight, kg 370 420 600
Dimensions, mm
- length 972 1240
- width 712 740
- height 836 836
- crankshaft axle height 300 300
So the engine weight is even less than 370kg and the dimensions are the same.

[self-propelled]

Quote: Sveles

I was not upset because yamz530 and yamz 5340- engines are different

that they were not upset is good (adequate people in our time are very rare )
diesel engines YaMZ-530 and YaMZ-534xx different, I do not argue ...
different in that YaMZ-530 is the designation of a family of 4- and 6-cylinder diesel engines (the number of cylinders is indicated by the third digit in the engine index 534 - 4 cylinders, 536 - 6 cylinders. Subsequent digits in the index are modifications of the "base" motors ) ...
Now about cars with these engines
Have you seen the "Tiger" (not a tank, but a GAZ car) live? the car is not small enough (the "goat" from the UAZ against the background of the "Tiger" is a kind of undersized)

on "Tigers", that with the YMZ-530 engine on the hood there is a characteristic "hump" (in contrast to cars with a Cummins diesel engine) because even for the "Tiger" the engine is somewhat larger in size. and you want to put a similar engine on the "Scorpion" (which is a "classmate" of the UAZ)?

[Sweles]

Quote: self-propelled

Izel YaMZ-530 and YaMZ-534hh different, I do not argue ...

that's not a sport
yamz xnumx

yamz xnumx

[self-propelled]

Quote: Sveles

that's not a sport

I see understand the situation just does not work ...
let's go from simple. dear, if it does not bother you, can you indicate the diameter and piston stroke for YaMZ-534 and YaMZ-536 engines? for some reason I’m sure that there is no difference. I will say more - they are interchangeable (because they are the same).
the dimensions indicated in the figures (I think you wanted to show me the difference in the linear dimensions of the engines) are, so to speak, "basic", because they may differ (as an example, the use of a different oil pan, a changed configuration of the intake and exhaust systems, different impellers for turbocharging, the presence of ( or absence) of intercooling systems for charge air, etc., etc.)

... yes, by the way, what do you think is the difference between YaMZ-530 and YaMZ-534 diesel engines?

[Sweles]

Quote: self-propelled

I see understand the situation just does not work ...

why break into the wilds? there are overall dimensions of the engine from which it can be seen that the six-cylinder is 8cm higher and wider, and therefore two cylinders longer and harder, find the dimensions for this andoria 0501 and everything will become clear, but for some reason there is no data on the net, but I do not intend to believe the words of this constructor.

[Sweles]

as for the Tiger, there is a six-cylinder engine, of course, the dimensions and weight are greater.

[self-propelled]

Quote: Sveles

as for the Tiger, there is a six-cylinder engine, of course, the dimensions and weight are greater.

crash itself. only the 4-cylinder YaMZ-534 will be slightly smaller than the diesel engine from the ZiL "Bychka" (tractor "Belarus" for a simpler understanding). The very idea of ​​putting such an engine on the UAZ frame (and the "Scorpion" is a classmate of the UAZ) looks utopian (although if you wish ... is it just necessary?)

[Sweles]

Quote: self-propelled

Quote: Sveles

as for the Tiger, there is a six-cylinder engine, of course, the dimensions and weight are greater.

crash itself. only the 4-cylinder YaMZ-534 will be slightly smaller than the diesel engine from the ZiL "Bychka" (tractor "Belarus" for a simpler understanding). The very idea of ​​putting such an engine on the UAZ frame (and the "Scorpion" is a classmate of the UAZ) looks utopian (although if you wish ... is it just necessary?)

I did not find the performance characteristics of this andoria, but the andoria class below
ANDORIA 6CT107
Maximum power [kW/hp] 101/138
Stroke / Bore [mm] 107,2/120,7
Displacement [cm3] 6540
Compression 16: 1
Cylinder order 1-5-3-6-2-4
Liquid cooling
Weight [kg] 560
they have an engine weight even greater than yamz 5344, it was not bad to compare correctly, but it does not seem to me that the difference will be significant.

[self-propelled]

Quote: Sveles

I did not find the performance characteristics of this andoria

Polish diesel Andoria 0501 ADCR is put on "Scorpions"
4's Cylinder Diesel with Displacement 2636 cm 3 power 136 hp
what you indicated in the comment above as "class below" actually have on "two classes above"
"you shouldn't try to shove it into the unstoppable"

[Sweles]

Well Duc, bring full engine performance characteristics ...

[self-propelled]

Quote: Sveles

Well Duc, bring full engine performance characteristics ...

Maximum power [hp] - 136 at 3700 rev.
Maximum torque 250 Nm at 1800-2400 rev.
Stroke / Diameter [mm] 94/95
Compression 17: 1
Unfortunately, I do not have such beautiful pictures with linear dimensions of the motor. as well as data on the weight of the motor (different sources indicate from 280 to 397 kg.). but for comparison, I propose to take the dimension of the cylinder-piston group - 94/95 против 107/120 (diameter / piston stroke) (as an example for comparison diesel of the D-240 family (tractor "Belarus") 110/125 and UAZ ZMZ 2.7l 85/94 (by the way, YaMZ-530 has a CPG dimension 105 \ 128))

[Sweles]

Quote: self-propelled

Quote: Sveles

Well Duc, bring full engine performance characteristics ...

Maximum power [hp] - 136 at 3700 rev.
Maximum torque 250 Nm at 1800-2400 rev.
Stroke / Diameter [mm] 94/95
Compression 17: 1
Unfortunately, I do not have such beautiful pictures with linear dimensions of the motor. as well as data on the weight of the motor (different sources indicate from 280 to 397 kg.). but for comparison, I propose to take the dimension of the cylinder-piston group - 94/95 против 107/120 (diameter / piston stroke) (as an example for comparison diesel of the D-240 family (tractor "Belarus") 110/125 and UAZ ZMZ 2.7l 85/94 (by the way, YaMZ-530 has a CPG dimension 105 \ 128))

no link please.

[Atrix]

One thing surprised me in the photo. And in Russia, that there are no tire manufacturers of their own ??? Why Cooper (USA) ???

[Terrible_L.]

As far as I know, this car is built on the basis of foreign components. Is it that we are stepping on the same rake again?

[arane]

I'm certainly not special in this area, but we have some kind of variety of all kinds of different armored vehicles. How this will affect the supply and repair is not clear.

[lelikas]

What class of protection do armored models have? Are we really the loss of UAZ in the army?

[lelikas]

Quietly with himself ... Here it is interesting to read about him - http://twower.livejournal.com/1789601.html

[Ami du peuple]

Is the range of such machines too wide? "Tiger", "Lynx", "Typhoon" ... Now this "Scorpion". They seem to have declared maximum unification, but in reality ...

[Yarik]

To a point. Too wide. The Germans indulged in something similar with the nomenclature of technology (equipment in general). The result is known.

[Denis Obukhov]

I think the price will play an important role. Scorpio is almost a meter shorter, other sizes are comparable. Also, it is significantly lighter than the Tiger (Curb ratio: 6400 kg / 4400 kg, full ratio: 7600 kg / 5000 kg). Although, at the same time, the carrying capacity is less. Of course, the Andoria import engine (I’m not sure about 2B, it was at LSA-1) is also not a clear advantage of Scorpio. And I want to note that this is still a pilot industrial party, after its evaluation, a decision will be made on whether it is needed.

[Vladimirets]

Damn, Dryunya2 here an interesting game with your comments tossed. I found this one too. http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/66364/

[satellite24]

What, their rubber was not found?

[cap]

Here is what I found!
Four-cylinder turbodiesel of the Polish company Andoria. With a working volume of 2,7 liters, it produces 156 hp. This is not the old army UAZ with its 75-horsepower engine! By the way, the representatives of Zashchita claim that they have already signed an agreement with the Poles for licensed assembly of engines in Russia. If the assembly begins (and it all depends on the number of vehicles ordered by the army), then the motor will cease to be imported! As we know, 60 have already been ordered, it remains to find out how civil buyers will react. The armored Scorpion LSHA B has so far been shod with imported off-road tires with anti-tamper inserts. Perhaps, over time, the wheels will also pick up domestic. The same goes for Korean gearboxes and gearboxes, most likely Ssang Yong. They, too, are planned to begin to be made with us over time, which means nodes. The batteries here are tank, a new model.
The description is long just type the name and you're done.

[novobranets]

Quote: cap

representatives of the "Protection" claim that they have already signed an agreement with the Poles for the licensed assembly of engines in Russia. If the assembly begins (and it all depends on the number of vehicles ordered by the army), the motor will cease to be imported!

With the Poles ... yeah, smart, ... and most importantly, reliable. The word Pole is stone. A component for a license. assembly where they will do?

[Sweles]

Quote: cap

Four-cylinder turbodiesel of the Polish company Andoria. With a working volume of 2,7 liters, it produces 156 hp.

but tell me if the performance characteristics of this engine, andoria?

[dchegrinec]

It’s quite some kind of small one. It seems as if it’s crowded in the cabin. And there are only 4 people behind. Although the unit is quite interestingly arranged!

[sober]

here is such a machine !!!

[erased]

As events in Syria showed, basically Lynx-Iveco was sent there. Type the Tigers have weak mine protection. Whether or not I don’t know. It turns out that the advertised Tigers are not so cool. The wolf at the Tiger base has not yet been accepted. Now here is the LSA. And there is Bulat, Shot ...
Each manufacturer pulls a blanket of orders for himself, but in the end it turns out that not the best machine is accepted. Pachamu ??
Maybe patam shta lobby steers? Or is someone trying to put a car ground for one task into another? Or how is it?
But Iveco, smeared in the mud with criticism, is riding around Syria and doesn't seem to spit on him. Au Serdyukov!
And by the way, what will Kaltenbrunner say about this?

[kil 31]

Quote: erased

As events in Syria showed, basically Lynx-Iveco was sent there. Type the Tigers have weak mine protection. Whether or not I don’t know. It turns out that the advertised Tigers are not so cool. The wolf at the Tiger base has not yet been accepted. Now here is the LSA. And there is Bulat, Shot ...
Each manufacturer pulls a blanket of orders for himself, but in the end it turns out that not the best machine is accepted. Pachamu ??
Maybe patam shta lobby steers? Or is someone trying to put a car ground for one task into another? Or how is it?
But Iveco, smeared in the mud with criticism, is riding around Syria and doesn't seem to spit on him. Au Serdyukov!
And by the way, what will Kaltenbrunner say about this?

I don't know about Iveco, but there are some. After this war, it will be clear how the "Chinese" showed themselves.

[Vulkan raven]

Are you sure that there are no Tigers in SAR? What do you mean?

[RUSS]

Quote: Vulkan Raven

Are you sure that there are no Tigers in SAR? What do you mean?

[starchina pv]

Why are there so many different kinds of cars?

[Tjeck]

variety is certainly good, but in my opinion, with army jeeps, busting is already beginning. more than two models are extra costs since a large batch is cheaper. in full would be enough for the example of a scorpion or iveco as a light and a tiger or typhoon as a heavy, but not all at once.

[Bugivugi]

Quote: erased

As events in Syria showed, basically Lynx-Iveco was sent there. Type the Tigers have weak mine protection. Whether or not I don’t know. It turns out that the advertised Tigers are not so cool. The wolf at the Tiger base has not yet been accepted. Now here is the LSA. And there is Bulat, Shot ...
Each manufacturer pulls a blanket of orders for himself, but in the end it turns out that not the best machine is accepted. Pachamu ??
Maybe patam shta lobby steers? Or is someone trying to put a car ground for one task into another? Or how is it?
But Iveco, smeared in the mud with criticism, is riding around Syria and doesn't seem to spit on him. Au Serdyukov!
And by the way, what will Kaltenbrunner say about this?

this is a competition, I think they will choose the best.

[RUSS]

Quote: Tjeck

variety is certainly good, but in my opinion, with army jeeps, busting is already beginning. more than two models are extra costs since a large batch is cheaper. in full would be enough for the example of a scorpion or iveco as a light and a tiger or typhoon as a heavy, but not all at once.

"Scorpion" - to replace the UAZ.
"Tiger" - rather an armored personnel carrier, it has its own niche.
"Typhoonok" is a light armored vehicle, suitable for landing.
"Wolf" is a further development of "Tiger".

[Egor123]

Let's hope the car pays off

[newcomer]

wow good machine. having made import substitution (it seems already done), our machine is fully functional.

[Goldmitro]

Quote: cap

If the assembly begins (and it all depends on the number of vehicles ordered by the army), then the motor will cease to be imported!

And the parts for assembling the engine will fall from the sky? Another Lynx, which was also planned to be produced here? The stooltkin case lives on! Why is it so interesting that imported products are so "smeared" that the Ministry of Defense does not want to buy domestic cars, which have already been made a lot and have not proved that they are not suitable for the army! It looks like stepping on the "stool" rake for the Ministry of Defense is a common thing!

[iliitchitch]

Something I do not quite understand, why buy units with imported components for the army? In an armored car, it is difficult to haunt something. Let our oak tree be better, but there are no problems with the repair, and this one also has a Polish engine - well, this is necessary, eh? What, again someone's "interests" stick out from under the table?

[Yarik]

Quote: starchina pv

Why are there so many different kinds of cars?

"Saw", sawing, apparently not for long. The subject of "sawing" is rapidly depleted. However, you can borrow from pensioners.

[kapitan92]

Let's start! "Lynx", "Tiger". "Wolf". "Bulat". "Shot", "Typhoonok", "Scorpion", "Kurganets", "Shell",
as my battalion commander said: -What will we repair?

[RUSS]

Quote: kapitan92

Let's start! "Lynx", "Tiger". "Wolf". "Bulat". "Shot", "Typhoonok", "Scorpion", "Kurganets", "Shell",
as my battalion commander said: -What will we repair?

"Bulat", "Lynx", "Shot" - these are more likely to go into the series, and if they do, then in very limited quantities. "Lynx" is definitely produced and will not be purchased.

[Zhnec]

Quote: Scary_L.

As far as I know, this car is built on the basis of foreign components. Is it that we are stepping on the same rake again?

Most likely it is. No unification. Behind the usual unit, you will need to drag a whole convoy of spare parts for each unit of equipment.

[gla172]

Quote: yo-mine

Yes, something very similar to one of the first Soviet armored personnel carriers based on the ZIL-157.

"Kalun" is a WORKER !!!

[Zhnec]

On the hunt just right ...

[iAi]

Buy yourself a Gazelle (Sable) four-wheel drive and ride.
You can book it as collectors.

[Zaurbek]

I watched cross-country tests, it goes very well. This is the only replacement for UAZ. It must be put on the conveyor, and always with a civilian counterpart.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Zaurbek

I watched cross-country tests, it goes very well. This is the only replacement for UAZ. It must be put on the conveyor, and always with a civilian counterpart.

He is ugly, what a civilian counterpart? armored cornfield

[Ajent cho]

I realized that he reminds me - LuAZ.

[gla172]

Quote: Voletsky

? armored cornfield

By the way, NIVA is the world's first "light SUV" or "SUV" as it is now fashionable to say.

[Uruska]

Well, should the division commander (regiment, separate battalion) ride something? Or UAZ all the time to drive? Some kind of protection should be!

[Voltsky]

Quote: gla172

Quote: Voletsky

? armored cornfield

By the way, NIVA is the world's first "light SUV" or "SUV" as it is now fashionable to say.

So what ?! By the way, Caravel was the first vessel to officially overcome the Atlantic Ocean, do not want to install caliber with onyx on them ?! I repeat for sofas, aesthetics this device is ugly, and in the civilian version only a pervert is ready to buy it. On urapatriotizma you can’t get to the civilian automotive market, and it can only seem to clinical imbalance as a good idea

[Extraneous]

Aesthetically, the Hummer is no less ugly. And there are enough perverts for him.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Stranger

Aesthetically, the Hummer is no less ugly. And there are enough perverts for him.

Well, the hammer for those years was very, very, and now it’s just a classic (a 2/3 hammer is also not very popular, they buy it mainly because of the brand), and this trough is not a classic, and now it is not a cake at all in modern realities

[klopik1]

The front bridge, there is not only a soldier a conscript; an experienced engineer will not figure it out if there is a breakdown.

[Yegorchik]

And what is there so incomprehensible? The usual independent suspension, if you look under the Niva you will see almost the same thing.

[RUSS]

Quote: klopik1

The front bridge, there is not only a soldier a conscript; an experienced engineer will not figure it out if there is a breakdown.

You underestimate the Russian soldier.

[Voltsky]

Quote: Berkut-UA

if there was still a civilian option (without weapons and without extra weight from the armor) - I would buy, I would ... go on a hunt

one more, would definitely buy a square on wheels ?! Or just in words ... a trough is terrible no matter how you say it, for the army it may be the very thing, in a civilian it will not be in demand. If I am not mistaken, then Tupolev said that if the plane is beautiful, then it will fly well. And this miracle is cut with an ax from a log.

[Victorio]

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As events in Syria showed, basically Lynx-Iveco was sent there. Type the Tigers have weak mine protection. Whether or not I don’t know. It turns out that the advertised Tigers are not so cool. The wolf at the Tiger base has not yet been accepted. Now here is the LSA. And there is Bulat, Shot ...
Each manufacturer pulls a blanket of orders for himself, but in the end it turns out that not the best machine is accepted. Pachamu ??
Maybe patam shta lobby steers? Or is someone trying to put a car ground for one task into another? Or how is it?
But Iveco, smeared in the mud with criticism, is riding around Syria and doesn't seem to spit on him. Au Serdyukov!
And by the way, what will Kaltenbrunner say about this?

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why ernichat something, I doubt that you know exactly how much and why they sent a lynx iveko, and not a tiger? lynx iveko flashed on video from s-400. do you have something else?

[Alexdark]

Another one hundred and tenth designer, assembled from "not your own"? God ...

[Zomanus]

"There will be a fight and the fight will show."
I bet how many names of cars.
For we now have a very strong shortage of such equipment in the troops.
And therefore, riveting such machines should be as large as possible in large quantities and variations.
And if something spins, then the campaign will fall off and those that are not suitable in combat conditions.

[Wolka]

for me, it is so good to rivet "chipmunks", there are already a lot of these models of armored cars in the RF Armed Forces, but more than one thing has not been launched into the series, whatever is the verification is the same, only a side view, yeah, the budget money of the RF Ministry of Defense is being mastered, however ...

[ayuric]

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One thing surprised me in the photo. And in Russia, that there are no tire manufacturers of their own ??? Why Cooper (USA) ???

So I saw the picture asked the same question. But here is the answer: COOPER STT is a MUD TERRAIN class tire (full off-road), in Russia there are simply no manufacturers of high-quality passenger tires of this class and dimension (33-35 inches), the closest are tires for special equipment, but there are characteristics others. + average market price tag.

[Zhnec]

On the hunt just right ...

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I watched cross-country tests, it goes very well. This is the only replacement for UAZ. It must be put on the conveyor, and always with a civilian counterpart.

He is ugly, what a civilian counterpart? armored cornfield

On a civilian Humvee, some people think it's cool to ride ... Even limos do. So this brutal handsome man in an unarmored version will be a success. There is a buyer for each product.

[Denis.Ka]

http://www.skorpion4x4.com/client.htm Заказывай . There would be another five-door option

[Dimon-chik-79]

Quote: Volka

for me, it is so good to rivet "chipmunks", there are already a lot of these models of armored cars in the RF Armed Forces, but more than one thing has not been launched into the series, whatever is the verification is the same, only a side view, yeah, the budget money of the RF Ministry of Defense is being mastered, however ...

I confess I have the same impression, there are already so many developments presented, such funds for this have been lost, but no sense whatsoever. There is "Typhoon", there is "Shot", there is "Tiger", it would seem that something else to invent should be put on stream, but there is no military-industrial complex still works at exhibitions.