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Dreams about the “New Silk Road” and the reality of the Trans-Siberian route

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Last Sunday in Tbilisi was a holiday. December 13 on the so-called "New Silk Road" there arrived the first container train "Nomad Express" from China. Together with the Georgians, the Wall Street Journal, The Econimist, Bloomberg and other Western publications, excited about news that the Chinese have found transit to Europe bypassing Russia.


Dreams about the “New Silk Road” and the reality of the Trans-Siberian route


Walking for the Three Seas

Enough comments and local politicians. Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili, for example, announced that now cargo delivery from the Pacific Coast to Europe will take two weeks instead of a month and a half, and it’s been a dream: “Georgia will soon turn into a multi-regional center connecting Europe, East Asia, India, Central Asia and Near East".

Garibashvili modestly kept silent that Chinese containers would be shipped to Turkey from the Black Sea ports. The promised Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway has so far remained an unrealized project. Its start-up at best will take place only next year.

The train with Chinese containers in Tbilisi is not the first. There were already two trains arriving from Urumqi via Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan (they overcame the Caspian Sea on ferries) in August and October. The trains with 44 containers in each passed the route in test mode. The end point was Turkey. Until the end of December, another train with Chinese containers will pass through Georgia. In 2016, transit traffic on this route should be regular.

The news aroused not only the Western media, but also Russian observers. The web was flooded with comments whose authors were a little shy about expressions and evaluations. They wrote that the Chinese had thrown Russia, spat on it. They blamed the Kremlin for not having bothered to build a normal transcontinental road between the Far East and the European part of the country, did not react to the signals for cooperation that Beijing sent to Moscow. As a result, China chose the path for its goods bypassing Russia, established a logistics consortium of the Trans-Caspian China-Turkey-Europe transport route. Chinese partners here were Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey.

It would be possible to continue the list of claims of commentators against unreasonable Russian authorities. There is no sense in that. First, confused the competence of the authors. They are entangled in two roads - the transcontinental highway and the Trans-Siberian Railway. In Tbilisi, as you know, containers were brought not by car platforms, but by rail. Secondly, it is the Georgian Prime Minister who can fall from ecstasy into sophistry, the reality shows something quite different.

Responsible experts say: "The trans-Caspian route in reality does not exist." For example, Andrei Karpov, chairman of the board of directors of the analytical bureau DORN, calls the transportation of goods from China to European markets along the “southern” route, bypassing Russia, uneconomical and unlikely. Karpov believes that this is a backup option for the delivery of Chinese goods to Europe. The route runs through the Caspian and Black Seas, crosses five state borders instead of two, and “every extra cargo transshipment in the port increases the cost of its delivery”.

The director general of the InfraNews research agency, Alexey Bezborodov, notes: “This is a non-existent route so far. There is a shortage of infrastructure, ports, personnel and even the masses of everything. ” According to Bezborodov, the idea for transporting goods from Asia along the “southern” route through the Transcaucasus was put forward as early as the 80s of the last century. “For almost 30 years, nothing has changed,” the expert emphasizes. “The Caspian ports of Baku and Aktau still lack the necessary technologies for the handling of containerized cargo.”

But that's not the point. In the modern world, multi-vector logistics for the delivery of goods is becoming more common. Take, for example, Russian gas supplies to Europe. Today they are established along three routes at once. There are variations in Chinese export policy. However, the main land route in it was and remains Russian.

The bill is not yet in favor of the railways

Oleg Belozerov, President of Russian Railways, spoke in Vienna at the plenary session of the Coordinating Council on Transsiberian Transportation in mid-November and presented recent data on transit container traffic from China on Transsib. This year, they grew by 89 percent. From January to September, 66 of thousands of containers were transported, which is 11 thousand more than in the entire 2014 year.

This year, China-Europe-China (Chendu-Lodz, Suzhou-Warsaw, Chongqing-Duisburg, Zhengzhou-Hamburg, Wuhan-Pardubice) regular container services for the message China-Spain (I-Madrid) were organized to the regularly operating container services for China. In addition, the route China - Finland has been worked out. From the border station with China, Zabaikalsk station to Buslovskaya station on the Russian-Finnish border, the transit container train takes only eight days.

This fall, the United Transport and Logistics Company organized the delivery of container trains from the Chinese port of Yingkou to Moscow. Not forgotten and other Asian partners. As Oleg Belozerov noted, in the framework of the project “Transsib for 7 days”, Russian Railways introduced the new Baikal Shuttle transport product to transport Japanese and Korean goods from the Yokohama port to Moscow.

All these existing routes are multiple, at times (today the bill goes to a thousand), blocking the possibilities of the Transcaucasian transport corridor. New ways of container trains are being developed. For example, from the same West China Urumqi through Kazakhstan, the South Urals to the ports of the Leningrad Region and St. Petersburg.

Russian railways are developing their infrastructure. Currently the railway bridge Nizhneleninskoe-Tongjiang is under construction. It will allow carrying goods from China through the Jewish Autonomous Region to the Trans-Siberian Railway. The Trans-Siberian Railway itself is being reconstructed. This year 16 billion rubles have been allocated for these purposes.

The expert already mentioned here, Andrei Karpov, considers such investments insufficient and somewhat belated: “If we started warning ten years ago and invested our super-profits from oil in the modernization of BAM and Transsib, more systematically approached this issue, now Russia could offer China ready infrastructure.

At the same time, China is still not in a hurry to transfer its trade flows from sea to land. The reasons for that are simple: today, shipping a container by sea costs the cargo owner three thousand US dollars, and a railway route costs eight to nine thousand dollars. Not every product of Chinese factories is worth three times overpaying for its delivery.

However, freight traffic between China and Europe is growing. It is expected that by the year 2020 they will reach 170 million tons. Today Transsib pulls on itself only a percentage of this weight. Transcaucasia, as we remember, only indicated its route. The bill is not yet in favor of the railways. Although the speed of delivery is impressive. For example, a container train going from Zhengzhou (China) to Hamburg (Germany) runs 13-14 days. By sea, Chinese goods arrive in Europe in 40-60 days. The speed of delivery and reasonable price should contribute to the reorientation of cargo flows from sea to land.

Economy intertwined with geopolitics

In recent years, China has become the largest exporter, its influence on the world economy has increased. But the dependence has increased - on commodity markets, on communications. It is quite natural that the Chinese are trying to minimize their risks. It is not by chance that all the conversations about the “New Silk Road” in the mouth of Beijing politicians are quite variable. Among the routes mentioned is our Trans-Siberian Railway, a route to Europe via Kazakhstan and the South Urals, transportation via the Caspian Sea and Transcaucasia, and also a route through Iran - the Middle East. Finally, shipping by sea with cargo handling at the ports of Indochina prepared for this is also called the “silk route”.

Note that almost all routes of Chinese goods are focused on continental land. This is what Sun Hongbin, a respected Chinese specialist in global financial systems, says about this. It was he who was able to predict the global financial crisis of 2008-2009 and became a recognized global authority.

Sun Hongbin believes that over the past 500 years, the world has been controlled by maritime powers. China does not make much sense to organize a competition in this direction. But there is a reason to actively use the continental spaces. They will not be able to bypass the largest territory of the planet, which has Russia. The interaction and cooperation of our countries is conditioned not only by the Russian scale, but also by the resources of oil, gas, raw materials for industry, which China does not have.

"Eurasia has all the necessary resources - natural, technological and human - for its development," Sun Hongbin said in an interview with the Vzglyad newspaper the other day. “And if a developed high-speed railway appears, it will complete the era of maritime powers, and the power over the world economy will pass into the hands of continental countries.”

The Chinese financier thus opened the veil over the true plans of his country. "New Silk Road" is not just a route for the transfer of goods from China to Europe. Its ideology implies a technical and technological breakthrough in logistics, so that in two or three days goods flow from the Pacific coast to European consumers. A key sign of innovation on this “silk road” will be a high-speed railway.

One wonders how Russia will fit into the new strategy of China and whether it will fit at all. The noticeable restraint of Russian leaders in relation to the projects of the “New Silk Road” was explained during a recent television press conference of Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. Our prime minister made a discovery for himself that Russia is a self-sufficient country. Therefore, it is necessary for it to look at the partners not from the bottom up, but, taking into account national interests, to interact with them exclusively on an equal footing.

Sun Hongbin agrees with this: “Russia has advantages over China - a large territory and resources. China does not have gas and oil, and it also depends on the export markets of the United States and Europe. Therefore, Russian political elites are not afraid of confrontation with the West. ”

To other applicants for participation in Chinese geopolitical projects this is hardly available. For them, happiness is to get their share of the Chinese economic pie. But only his. Our will not leave us. This is understood and respected Chinese financier, and therefore speaks in plural of the power of continental countries.
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  1. Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 17 December 2015 06: 22 New
    15
    Because of what, cheese boron is not at all clear. Lovers make noise out of nothing - celebrate. The article provides a simple figure - rail transport on the China-Europe route takes only ONE percent. At the same time, it must be remembered that at the moment RZD considers the Trans-Siberian Railway to be overloaded. A little more growth of our own economy and it will fully load the Trans-Siberian Railway. It will also be missed. That is, the situation is this - build and create routes as much as you want - there will be loading for them. Excessive downloads. You just have to be happy for Central Asia and the Caucasus that they too will be able to participate in this. The Russian railways are neither hot nor cold from this. We can also make money on railway equipment, if we take a little warning.
    1. smith7
      smith7 17 December 2015 06: 43 New
      +5
      And where does it say about "fuss"? Information for consideration, note ... etc. No more. Pr Georgians even cool. Humor - prolongs life!
      1. Griboedoff
        Griboedoff 17 December 2015 06: 52 New
        +2
        "cheese boron" is described at the beginning of the article:
        The news excited not only the Western media, but also Russian observers. The network was flooded with comments, the authors of which were little shy in expressions and ratings. They wrote that the Chinese threw Russia, spat on it. They blamed the Kremlin for not bothering to build a normal transcontinental road between the Far East and the European part of the country, and did not react to the cooperation signals that Beijing was giving to Moscow.
        1. Oleg NSK
          Oleg NSK 17 December 2015 07: 29 New
          +8
          about the "fuss"?

          ... this route to Europe has nothing to do ... as it was transported by sea, it will be ... I think that for the idea of ​​the Chinese lies in more tightly conquering the markets of the Middle Ages. Asia and the Caucasus (including Turkish)
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 17 December 2015 16: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Oleg NSK
            as they drove by sea, they will be

            Of course they will carry where cheaper. What urgency to drive consumer goods?
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 17 December 2015 21: 49 New
              +1
              And if this consumer goods is bought on credit? Then transportation time is of great importance, resulting in billions.
              This route does not matter for the EU. Count yourself.
              Route of the PRC-RK-Azerbaijan-Georgia-EU (Turkey): 4 borders and two transhipments for maritime transport. Moreover, there is a land alternative through Iran.
              Route China-EAEU-EU: 2 borders. hi
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 17 December 2015 07: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Griboedoff
      China-Europe rail transport takes only ONE percent

      About one percent, even rereading it again, I did not see a mention in the text. And in fact, somewhere around 2,5% is, which is also a small amount.
      By the way, why is the Northern Sea Route not considered? In connection with global warming - an interesting enough alternative.
      1. Griboedoff
        Griboedoff 17 December 2015 09: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        About one percent, even rereading it again, I did not see a mention in the text.

        Well, somehow you still need to read carefully:
        However, freight traffic between China and Europe is growing. It is expected that by 2020 they will reach 170 million tons. Today, the Transsiberian pulls on itself only a percentage of this weight. Transcaucasia, as we recall, only indicated its route.

        Although the 1% mark also seems a bit underestimated to me. Is there a fundamental difference between 1% and 2,5%? While the demand will grow, but the possibility of expanding the capacity of TransSib without major investments is very small.
        Yes, and I agree with the author, even the Trans-Siberian Railway with its several percent share, the new route will not become a serious competitor.
        The Northern Sea Route is a separate and very interesting topic, obviously beyond the scope of the article. Even when it really works, it is more likely to compete with shipping, rather than rail.
    3. Samaritan
      Samaritan 17 December 2015 08: 08 New
      +3
      Again, cuts from the table ...
      It is necessary not to blame the road, but to take China's place in the European market !!!
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 17 December 2015 09: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Samaritan
        It is necessary not to blame the road, but to take China's place in the European market !!!

        What to do?
        What is produced from consumer goods in Russia?
        What can be produced cost-effectively with the current attitude to production?
        1. asadov
          asadov 17 December 2015 11: 40 New
          +1
          thieves that dump the West
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 17 December 2015 10: 05 New
        0
        "... take China's place in the European market !!!"
        Totally FOR! But also logistics, i.e. Railway and highway development is vital.
    4. Wheel
      Wheel 17 December 2015 09: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: Griboedoff
      At present, Russian Railways considers the Trans-Siberian Railway to be overloaded.

      Yeah, overloaded ...
      Now 80 pairs of trains are already overload, and with ineffective Soviets, the interval between trains at times was 3 minutes ...
      Hmm ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 December 2015 10: 07 New
        +1
        80 pairs per day - this is very decent.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 17 December 2015 16: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          80 pairs per day - this is very decent.

          Hit the memories ... what
          The summer of 1979 (end of August, to be exact), then lived 300 m from the Trans-Siberian Railway.
          A sixth-grade neighbor is preparing a report exactly on this topic.
          The poor guy attracted four more boys and they sat with me around the clock on the balcony (Why me? Just at the neighbors' windows the other way), replacing each other, carefully fixing all the trains passing by.
          These "scouts" observed a lot of interesting things, but I remember well the average number of trains per day:
          123 east and 119 west.
          One and a half times more than now in the "overload", Carl!
          In the 80s, traffic intensities increased.
      2. 406ppm2gv
        406ppm2gv 17 December 2015 23: 58 New
        0
        with such a ride, the train should interrupt from yellow to red-yellow fire of the locomotive traffic light (at the expense of 3 minutes of the inter-train interval). 80 pairs are not decent, but 110 pairs for a double-track, normal. There are operational, operational-technical and technical measures on a piece of iron for pay. so that with the task, you can solve the problem.
    5. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 17 December 2015 20: 04 New
      +1
      The very title of the article is very biased and subjective.
      How about the “New Silk Road”, so the dreams, if about the “Trans-Siberian route”, its reality is emphasized .. wink
      The director general of the InfraNews research agency, Alexey Bezborodov, notes: “This is a non-existent route so far. There is a shortage of infrastructure, ports, personnel and even the masses of everything. ” According to Bezborodov, the idea for transporting goods from Asia along the “southern” route through the Transcaucasus was put forward as early as the 80s of the last century. “For almost 30 years, nothing has changed,” the expert emphasizes. “The Caspian ports of Baku and Aktau still lack the necessary technologies for the handling of containerized cargo.”
      The article missed, I think an important point:
      Kazakhstan attracted to this project Dubai Port World.
      Dubai Port World - the most diversified logistics operator in the world, with 60 operating and 11 ports and terminals under construction in the 31 country.
      It becomes the main partner both for the reconstruction of the port of Aktau, and for the development of the logistics complex opposite China’s Khorgos and further transit cargo transportation along various routes within the country. And it is rapidly expanding the capacity of port complexes in Aktau.

  2. udincev
    udincev 17 December 2015 06: 34 New
    +2
    Quote from an article: From January to September, 66 thousand containers were transported, which is 11 thousand more than for the entire 2014.

    .
    1. udincev
      udincev 17 December 2015 07: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: udincev
      Quote from an article: From January to September, 66 thousand containers were transported, which is 11 thousand more than for the entire 2014.

      And if you compare with the "new silk road", with 145 containers transported along it ...
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 17 December 2015 06: 39 New
    +2
    Ours will not leave us...Not yet to bake ...
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 17 December 2015 06: 40 New
    +1
    Responsible experts say: "The Trans-Caspian route does not really exist."


    That's exactly why people are tearing a shirt on their chest .... do not rush to conclusions ... listen and read better than smart people who know the whole background of this matter.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 December 2015 06: 48 New
    10
    That we all want to sell something to someone? Including a profitable high-speed rail. And what, we do not need such a highway?
    We do not need to develop a high-speed railway network? And maybe, well, them, these investors. Let's do it like in Egypt. We will raise money for a nationwide campaign and build a "land Suez Canal." Such a path must be profitable, that’s all the profits will belong to the "national investors". And after all, not MMM, but a very specific high-speed railway.
    1. Zefr
      Zefr 17 December 2015 09: 29 New
      +3
      “People’s investors”, as always, will again get some kind of “AVVA” - “People’s Railway” from the Rottenbergs.
      I do not believe. A high-speed railway is needed.
      1. Kvazar
        Kvazar 17 December 2015 16: 21 New
        0
        Yes, the total price of one km of track will be 28 lyam. Given the tunnels of the ports of railway stations of design intelligence stations, bridges, the total price tag will be 600-650 lard rubles. Well, plus 20 years from the start of construction to the first train ride ...
    2. Kvazar
      Kvazar 17 December 2015 16: 04 New
      +2
      Oh well. In order to move shipping (the ship goes with 30 nodal travel (50 km per hour) and reaches the USA / Europe with 20.000 containers per month).
      In order to move in logistics, you need to build not standard ways, but an extended track, and even in two directions. That is, a return to the project of the TR Breitspurbahn with a gauge of 3 meters (preferably 4-4,5 meters gauge). With delivery speeds of 200-250 km / h (about 2 days from port to port). Vladivostok-Ust Meadow. Then one train for two days with a rolling stock width of 14 meters, a height of 10 meters (3 counterfeit 40 pounds on top of each other), a length of 55 meters (22 40 pounds). It will be able to transport 100 6600 pound containers or 40 13200 pounds in one run as part of 20 cargo platforms; if you increase the height by one more container, 8800 and 17600 will be delivered. Then that makes sense. But it costs a lot of money (more than 10.000 km of road + two ports for loading). And bridges under such monsters will need more than a dozen pieces. A bridge to the Russian island and to the Crimea will be so small fun (especially for the price). I’m afraid that my navel will not stand even such projects from China. not to mention about us +)
      1. 406ppm2gv
        406ppm2gv 18 December 2015 00: 18 New
        0
        KVAZAR-I wanted to ask you what science fiction writers you read? I don’t particularly spare them, can you tell me, read. 1 km of the cap way. repair will cost about 4 lard (this is capital), i.e. having already a subgrade. with such speeds and such a track, do not tell me what the ton-axial load on the rail will be and what kind of rail it will be?
    3. 406ppm2gv
      406ppm2gv 18 December 2015 00: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Including profitable high-speed rail

      tell n-hundred what is a high-speed rail way?
  6. Senior manager
    Senior manager 17 December 2015 07: 05 New
    +3
    The Great Silk Road is another integration project in world logistics, very material and financially capacious, for Russia alone it cannot be lifted. If China, Japan, Korea invest in the project, then there is an opportunity to accelerate in the reconstruction of railway, sanctions risks are reduced as well. Otherwise, it is simply planned to modernize the BAM, the Trans-Siberian Railway without losing its piece of cake and not substituting, as is the case with the Turkish Stream, and the South.
    1. denvar555
      denvar555 17 December 2015 07: 47 New
      +4
      The construction of the HSR or the modernization of BAM and Transib is economically justified only with a steady increase in traffic. Otherwise, having invested in the construction ... twenty trillion rubles, we get an infrastructure that we can’t support. An example is Olympic facilities !!!
      1. Griboedoff
        Griboedoff 17 December 2015 09: 43 New
        +6
        Well, comparing BAM with Olympic facilities is somehow difficult. Highways in this direction pay off lightly ... The only problem is that they will pay off for 20 years (if we consider construction from scratch). And the level of investment requires simply colossal - the bridge to the Crimea will seem small things. And in our country, business is rarely taken for projects with a payback of more than 5 years. The state is currently eating away the remnants of the reserve fund and it seems that it is not ready for such projects.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 17 December 2015 10: 09 New
        +1
        It is necessary to revive YOUR production to rails. There will be a global development of the Russian economy.
      3. avt
        avt 17 December 2015 10: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: denvar555
        The construction of the HSR or the modernization of BAM and Transib is economically justified only with a steady increase in traffic. Otherwise, having invested in the construction ... twenty trillion rubles, we get an infrastructure that we can’t support. An example is Olympic facilities !!!

        ,, An old song about the main thing, “BAM’s verses, which is useless”, about the “uselessness” of the Belomorkanalai of other channels was written by Solzhenitsyn. But this nonsense firmly stuck in my head and is repeated at the same time in curses on Olympic and APEC objects with mantras - ,, It would be better if you spent money on the road " laughing Of course, the Silk Road of Russia as a whole ... well, not really - they will try to bend it by anyone, which is what they are doing. Russia has a serious alternative project - the Northern Sea Route, but this is a troublesome and not quick business, but they are seriously engaged in it. Just look how much and how much I equip in the Arctic, how many icebreakers and ice-class ships have been rebuilt and built - the Navy can be envious. Again, they seriously restore the cover of the Arctic façade. So the Northern Sea Route with shipping is a competitor to the Silk Stream moreover, it’s entirely ours, without all kinds of, and sometimes absolutely unpredictable, sovereign states - business partners with their multi-vector kookies in politics.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 17 December 2015 16: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: avt
          Russia has a serious alternative project - the Northern Sea Route, but this business is troublesome and not fast, but they are seriously involved in it. Just look how much and how much I equip in the Arctic, how many icebreakers and ice-class ships are built up and under construction - the Navy can be jealous. restore the cover of the “Arctic façade". So the Northern Sea Route with sea transportation is a competitor to the Silk Stream, and it’s completely ours, without all kinds of, and sometimes absolutely unpredictable, sovereign states - business partners with their multi-vector kookies in politics.

          Wow!!!!
          That’s right the Northern Sea Route and equip!
          However, if you look at the bare facts, then the entire arrangement exactly ends where the proven oil and gas ends.
      4. Kvazar
        Kvazar 17 December 2015 15: 40 New
        +1
        The example is strange. Olympic venues have been perfectly loaded as early as a year.
  7. Nitarius
    Nitarius 17 December 2015 07: 12 New
    +1
    Transsiberian It is necessary to modernize .. and not enough!
    Rails and high-speed sections need to be built ..
    1. denvar555
      denvar555 17 December 2015 07: 43 New
      0
      It’s necessary to build, but does it make sense to build high-speed rail across the country? Passenger traffic is unlikely to recoup investments (if only all Chinese people suddenly suddenly travel across Russia by train to Moscow), and the transportation of goods, the lion's share of which is raw materials - coal, timber, oil, does not require such speeds!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 December 2015 10: 11 New
      +2
      Of course you need to build, that's just where to get such money - a high-speed piece of iron Moscow - Kazan cost more than a trillion rubles.
  8. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 17 December 2015 07: 30 New
    0
    Tayshet, this is the bottleneck.
  9. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 17 December 2015 07: 34 New
    -1
    Senior Prophet. You are probably the foreman of a company. An elder is one thing.
  10. denvar555
    denvar555 17 December 2015 07: 38 New
    +3
    The Chinese, like all Asians, are very cunning .. guys! Motivating that there is an alternative to transit through Georgia, they will demand a discount on transit through Russia! T.O. You can throw a couple of containers in a day or two into Turkey and say that there is an even faster way to deliver Chinese shit to the consumer.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 December 2015 10: 14 New
      0
      It will really be faster to transport Chinese "high-quality product" to Europe by transport aircraft
      1. Former battalion commander
        Former battalion commander 17 December 2015 23: 38 New
        0
        The Chinese are fools of you, like lousy pigs nose into YOUR SAME profit, they poke, and they also wander, screech ... The light did not converge in Russia ... so it’s possible to stay ALL ABOARD ... And without Russian oil and gas and all the more expensive PERFECTLY EVERYTHING WILL BE DONE. As you can see now, oil will be forced out of Europe, gas will be forced out and replaced with Iranian, Qatari. The "elite" itself will refuse the silk road ... And then after living in poverty for ten years, Russia itself will crawl on its belly to the so-called "civilized world", so that they use it ... and use it, having previously seized property and resources ...
  11. volodimer
    volodimer 17 December 2015 09: 18 New
    +5
    "Song Hongbin believes that the maritime powers have controlled the world for the past 500 years. It makes little sense for China to organize competition in this direction." Comrade Sung is cunning. And the Nicaraguan Canal? This is not even a competition, it is a challenge for the United States!
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 17 December 2015 23: 44 New
      0
      The channel you are talking about is already dead ... There were reports that the company dealing with it SUDDENLY (!) Turned out to be INCONSISTENT ... They have not approached yet, but they were CUT to the bud! Who will give them something to build such a nail in the lid of the coffin of a p.i.d.so.s.s.i ...
  12. sa-ag
    sa-ag 17 December 2015 09: 41 New
    +3
    Or maybe the tariffs of Russian Railways did not push the Chinese?
  13. sleeping sayan
    sleeping sayan 17 December 2015 10: 47 New
    +1
    Russia with regard to China, remains a little, so to speak paranoia, or wariness, fear. The Chinese comrade Lunsin proposed to continue the section, Kuragino-Kyzyl to the border with Mongolia. And then China will build. China was ready to finance the construction of the railway. from Kyzyl to Mongolia and further to China. But, as soon as China expressed its readiness to invest money in this project, the project was frozen.
    1. Former battalion commander
      Former battalion commander 17 December 2015 23: 48 New
      0
      In your message you need to replace the word Russia with the words "thieves Jewish kodla controlled by p.i.n.s.o.syut.a.nu" and everything will be correct ...
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 December 2015 11: 05 New
    +8
    "The article gives a simple figure - rail transport on the China-Europe route takes only ONE percent." ////

    It was a test. Test trains. The Chinese saw that the path was created.
    And build / replace the infrastructure easily. They are laying
    modern railways with unprecedented, fantastic speed.
    Example - train to Tibet. In the West, they considered the project unrealistic: solid
    gorges, highlands - railway works.
    Railroad through Pakistan to the Persian Gulf is already working. And deep sea port
    built there.

    Silk Road-2: China - Kazakhstan - Azerbaijan - Georgia - Turkey - Europe
    opened up.
    Russia did not take this project seriously - and remained on the sidelines.
    1. 406ppm2gv
      406ppm2gv 18 December 2015 00: 40 New
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      And it’s easy to build / replace the infrastructure. It’s easy to say. let's say Kaz.zh. mainly diesel traction and on the site leading to the single-track port, without even getting up from the workplace I will express this. Naturally this affects the throughput of the site, plus other technical aspects. And Russia will certainly take its share in these shipments. there is no way to go around.
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 17 December 2015 11: 32 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Silk Road-2: China - Kazakhstan - Azerbaijan - Georgia - Turkey - Europe
    opened up.
    Russia did not take this project seriously - and remained on the sidelines.

    You fully justify your nickname. And you read articles obliquely, if at all you look at them, the main thing about Russia is to blurt out.
    The article clearly states: there are no ports in this direction to ensure large-scale cargo flows. China will not invest in Georgia, which is controlled by the United States, and build a port at its own expense. He can carry ten containers at least on camels across the Sahara, showing which China he shot, has managed everywhere, but the geopolitical circumstances are perfectly clear to everyone, including Russia, of course.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 December 2015 15: 38 New
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      Quote: Mentat
      China will not invest in Georgia, which is controlled by the United States, and build a port at its own expense. He can carry ten containers at least on camels across the Sahara,

      Why invest in a port in Georgia?
      The port is needed in Azerbaijan, and the first stage of the new port has already been launched there.

      A ferry terminal was opened in Azerbaijan as part of the first phase of the new complex of the Baku International Sea Trade Port. At the request of the Ministry of Transport, the Dutch company Royal Haskoning prepared a master plan and port design. At the first stage, the volume of transshipment of port cargo will be 10 million tons of cargo and 50 thousand containers per year. At the second stage, the port's capacity will reach 17 million tons of cargo and 150 thousand containers, and at the end of the third stage - 25 million tons of cargo and 1 million containers. The creation of a logistics center in the port, according to the project, is also important. At the initial stage, it is planned to store 100 thousand containers and provide various services to cargo owners.

      I am not familiar with the ports of Kazakhstan, but I think they will either build, or have already built it.

      And next year, the new Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway is launched. And voila, everything is already there.

      And if you look further, then there is even more global.

      The opening of the 13-kilometer Marmaray tunnel, almost a kilometer-long stretch of which passes under the Bosphorus, coincided with a national holiday - Republic Day. On the same day, the Turks celebrate the 90th anniversary of the creation of modern Turkey.

      Marmaray will be the last and cornerstone in creating a transport system with a length of many thousands of kilometers, which will connect Europe with Central Asia. She has already come up with a name not devoid of poetry - the Iron Silk Road. This railway will connect London with Beijing and eventually become an alternative to the Trans-Siberian Railway.

      The construction of the deepest underwater tunnel cost $ 3 billion. Electric trains, passenger and freight trains will go on it.
      1. 406ppm2gv
        406ppm2gv 18 December 2015 00: 51 New
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        And next year, the new Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway is launched. And voila, everything is already there.
        I wanted to ask by chance what track is on this way?
  16. Borus017
    Borus017 17 December 2015 13: 42 New
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    The article should be entitled: "SLEEP QUIETLY, RESIDENTS OF BAGHDAD, IN BAGHADA EVERYTHING IS QUIET" Ninada hurry, develop, improve and shake the sleeve of those who know
  17. Normal ok
    Normal ok 17 December 2015 14: 33 New
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    At the moment, Russian Railways is a loss-making company (there are a lot of articles on the Internet). Therefore, megaprojects cannot be mastered alone. We need an international consortium, in general, we can’t do without the Chinese.
  18. Letterksi
    Letterksi 17 December 2015 15: 08 New
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    Partners are thrown into Russia by media partners. Friendship is friendship, and wallet is a wallet
  19. Monastic
    Monastic 17 December 2015 16: 43 New
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    Quote: LetterKsi
    Responsible experts say: "The Trans-Caspian route does not really exist."

    However, the first container train has already arrived in Georgia ... for some reason ... from somewhere request
  20. Semurg
    Semurg 17 December 2015 16: 44 New
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    the Chinese are planning many roads from east to west and one of them will be the “new silk road”. It is quite possible that it will become a significant competitor to the Trans-Siberian Railway, it is profitable for the Chinese to drive their goods to their western border on their territory and not pay transit for Russian Railways). They seem to have plans to build high-speed rail from east to west. At the beginning, there was talk that there would be a corridor through the Russian Federation, but something was stalling and if the RK-Azerbaijan-Turkey came up, then the Chinese might change their route to the south. It may be similar to the gas issue when Kazakhstan-Uzbekistan-Turkmenistan quickly settled all the issues and supplied gas to China and the Russian Federation was just starting to build the power of Siberia.
  21. Mentat
    Mentat 17 December 2015 17: 19 New
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    Quote: Yeraz
    Why invest in a port in Georgia?
    The port is needed in Azerbaijan, and the first stage of the new port has already been launched there.
    Where did you read about the port in Georgia? He is impossible there. In Georgia, who will expand the infrastructure for such cargo flows? In Azerbaijan, you quoted a note on the expansion of the port, and on the other side?

    And next year, the new Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway is launched. And voila, everything is already there.


    There are no complete idiots in China. Tomorrow, the United States will whisper to Georgia what to do with cargo X, and Georgia will do so. Sabotage, delay, loss - whatever.
    This direction is manilovism of pure water. China will not send a significant part of its cargo through the US-controlled state.
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    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 December 2015 19: 46 New
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      Quote: Mentat
      There are no complete idiots in China. Tomorrow, the United States will whisper to Georgia what to do with cargo X, and Georgia will do so. Sabotage, delay, loss - whatever.

      Nobody says that China will stop transporting by sea or via another route. But it can load this branch.
      And what kind of nonsense about sabotage ???
      That is, the fact that the United States takes first place in China's exports is not dangerous, that Japan takes second place and Europe itself. All of their goods are mainly sold by the United States to its allies or vassals, as they like to say in Russia. This is not dangerous but through Georgia the estimated 3-5% is extremely dangerous for China))))
    3. albert
      albert 17 December 2015 19: 54 New
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      Quote: Mentat
      China will not send a significant amount through the US-controlled state

      That's right. In general, for the United States to create military conflicts in the areas where the Chinese plan to launch their Silk Road, God himself ordered. Moreover, the Yankees themselves want to lasso Europe with their Transatlantic partnership.
  22. thinker
    thinker 17 December 2015 18: 06 New
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    We also have dreams here about the “New Silk Road”, for 17 years. But it looks like China will pay for this project.
    China is ready to assist Kyrgyzstan in the construction of infrastructure, including the construction of the China-Kyrgyzstan-Uzbekistan railway.

    http://www.tazabek.kg/news:400205?from=rss
    http://vesti.uz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47230
  23. Awaz
    Awaz 17 December 2015 18: 29 New
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    Well, you still haven’t heard everything on this topic))) especially from Ukraine. I just went nuts when I read about this topic from the mouth of ukrotrolls. You do not know that Odessa and Kiev will be the centers of this silk road ... For this, the Germans will build a express road from Berlin to Kuiv.
    But seriously, the modern railroad at least to Baikal had to be built to start a long time ago (I'm talking about Russia) Although I know that Russia itself is no longer able to do this. In the process, the Chinese are going to hire again, but they also want to build a road through the cunning at the expense of the Chinese. So the Chinese showed them an alternative. I still do not understand the authorities of the Russian Federation. There was extra money in the Russian Federation, and it was already possible for a long time to piece a piece of the direct high-speed highway to Siberia. I specifically looked at the globe here and it turns out that the most direct route from Berlin to Beijing passes through Kaliningrad Moscow and further through Russia, through Mongolia and Ulaanbaatar and then Beijing. And from this we had to ride for a long time. And the other day I already heard statements of some moron from power structures that we do not mind that we will expel the Turks from our markets, as well as concrete boxes they can’t build anything. We’ll better call the Chinese and they’ll configure us whatever they want, even a speed piece of iron
  24. trantor
    trantor 17 December 2015 20: 17 New
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    during a recent television press conference of Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. Our prime minister made a discovery for himselfthat Russia is a self-sufficient country. Therefore, it is up to her to look at partners not from the bottom up, but, taking into account national interests, to interact with them exclusively on equal terms.

    Who like, but I spat on the entire monitor. And is it prime?
  25. gammipapa
    gammipapa 17 December 2015 22: 18 New
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    The idea of ​​a new silk road has long been actively discussed, everything is very beautiful, just fabulous.

    One thing is not clear to me. Yes, China will drive its consumer goods to echelons in the EU, flood this Europe with cheap goods. But why is Europe itself? Own enterprises will stand up and fall apart. They have no oil, no minerals, that the whole of Europe will come up with new technologies and make money on it? Where will they get the money? Robbing the colony is already difficult, how to maintain a high standard of living? Very few will be enriched as a result of that.

    What is the trick then?

    Suppose that a path from China would pass through our territory. Then along the route our industry would simply stop. Why do something ourselves produce when all of China’s wagons will pour itself onto our land? Yes, a small proportion of the people from the service staff will be in chocolate, but where will the rest earn money?
  26. Naval
    Naval 18 December 2015 01: 59 New
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    The transit opportunities of our country are still underestimated, and this is profit, jobs, territory development, and weighty geopolitics. As they say, the country should not live by a gas-oil pipe, but by transport and industry. And forgive me this mentality, it’s a shame for the Power ...
  27. Ramses_IV
    Ramses_IV 18 December 2015 04: 28 New
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    "Our prime minister made a discovery for himself that Russia is a self-sufficient country"

    He made a discovery not only for himself, but for all of us. It turns out that we make products ourselves such as cars, televisions, computers, telephones, and more. And we made stickers in Made in China on these products solely for the purpose of conspiracy. And we sell oil, gas and timber exclusively to cover “our own manufacturing giants”, to keep our foreign production competitors on a short leash - so that prices do not drop below ours. In short, a secret conspiracy, but I thought that we are now a raw materials appendage.

    In short, while the top is ruled by an oligarchic raw (rather than production) top, we will narrate to rub such things and show social advertising about the fact that it turns out to be "high-tech production" at Gazprom and that it turns out to be a "national treasure".
    God forbid Putin has the strength and time to carry out industrialization, as Stalin did in his time
  28. Mentat
    Mentat 20 December 2015 11: 50 New
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    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: Mentat
    There are no complete idiots in China. Tomorrow, the United States will whisper to Georgia what to do with cargo X, and Georgia will do so. Sabotage, delay, loss - whatever.

    Nobody says that China will stop transporting by sea or via another route. But it can load this branch.
    And what kind of nonsense about sabotage ???
    That is, the fact that the United States takes first place in China's exports is not dangerous, that Japan takes second place and Europe itself. All of their goods are mainly sold by the United States to its allies or vassals, as they like to say in Russia. This is not dangerous but through Georgia the estimated 3-5% is extremely dangerous for China))))

    You, Yeraz, would carefully read the comments before throwing the cons do not understand where.
    Initially, this commentary appeared in response to a statement by a Jewish citizen that Russia supposedly missed the New Silk Road and now it will take the form of a branch through Georgia. This was the answer that it was nonsense. Once again: China can also transport 10 containers via the Sahara on camels, and it directs the main cargo flows to places where there is direct or indirect control over their passage.
    They won’t go through Georgia, at least get out of hand.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 25 December 2015 18: 05 New
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      Copyast:
      Recently, a multi-doorway has ended, as a result of the Russian Federation, it will lose approx. China left her out of work in the greatest eq. the project of the century - the New Silk Road. China annually exports to Europe goods for 2-300 billion. $. These goods had to be transported by sea - during 600 days. These are transport and finance costs that make Chinese products less competitive. It’s more profitable to transport goods by land. This way can take only 40-3 days. But there is an obstacle — the lack of normal roads and borders dividing China and Europe. Each border is fees and duties for the transit of goods.
      About 10 years ago, the Secretary General of the PRC wondered — how to transport goods to Europe and save up to 50 billion dollars a year? 3 solutions came to mind: 1) The difficult thing is to build railways and ports in the Republic of Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, and in this inconvenient way, paying 7 to countries, to get to Europe. 2) Easy – negotiate with Russia and build roads there. There is only one border and duty. Cheap, fast, convenient! The delegation first went to Moscow, in the Kremlin they thought: they would not only turn Europe on a gas pipe, China would come to them to bow! The Chinese tried to explain to the Kremlin that they did not want to quarrel with the States, they were interested in ec. The Kremlin thought that the Chinese are so tricky in the eastern way: in fact, this is all part of a big plan: they want to not only build a road in Siberia, but also to bring in 10-20 million Chinese, and there it is not far from the annexation.
      As a result, the Chinese were given some vague promises, and they left. We left for Kn, Azerbaijan. Nazarbayev personally called Beijing, how else can you facilitate, speed up work on the project. The construction of the port in Atyrau was halved under the personal supervision of ANAS. Invited Chinese experts worked hard in the country, helping to improve infrastructure. In 12. when relations with Europe and the United States began to deteriorate, and the growth of the economy slowed down, the Kremlin realized that huge, oil-independent money was floating away. The Kremlin began to find out in Beijing - is it possible to somehow actively participate in the project? The Chinese answered, you can, build a road from Moscow to Manchuria, we will talk. The Kremlin said: we are ready, but we don’t have money, let's build a road to the chipper — we’ll pay half, and you. The Chinese said, make an estimate of the project. The Kremlin was preparing an estimate for 3 months, in Beijing it turned out that the road would cost 14 trillion rubles. That is, the Chinese have to pay 7 trillion, and how much the Kremlin will pay is only the Kremlin will know, the road is on its territory. The Chinese, looking at this miraculous estimate, smiled sweetly and politely informed the Kremlin that, according to their calculations, the whole road costs 7 trillion, and the whale. half – 3,5 trillion
      After that, the Kremlin proposed the Moscow-Kazan section. The Chinese said - prepare an estimate (and the roads to K-no and Uz-no were already being built with might and main). The Chinese suggested: okay, but we will control the construction process - we have more experience and more money, but the Kremlin refused. Now in the courtyard of December 15. China lets the first trains bypass the Russian Federation. Countries The center of Asia, Georgia and Azerbaijan, thanks to him, will be fabulously enriched. The Kremlin still has not even begun to build the Moscow-Kazan highway. Just the price of oil fell below 37 $ per barrel. How nice is it when visionary and competent people rule the state, right?