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In the era of electronic media domination, almost everyone who writes, reads and comments on the Internet has encountered unpleasant people who know best how to bake cakes, sew clothes, care for animals and, of course, how to run the country and solve global problems. . "Specialists" in the field of domestic and foreign policy are among the most active participants in the discussion, even on the forums of the circles of choral singing and cross-stitching.

As a rule, these people practically do not write anything on their own, but comment on any text, news and even a comment below the text. Their comments boil down to the fact that everything around is bad, cowards and traitors are in power, only they know the correct algorithm of actions leading to salvation, but they are not heard, they do not understand and everything is lost.

In this style, there are three types of socially active individuals:

- illiterate marginals, with a reserve of a hundred words and resentment to the whole world for the fact that society underestimated them;

- “the saviors of the world” who read one book, one article or learned one thesis and decided that they have the secret knowledge that they are now trying to convey to all the “lost humanity”;

- ordinary scum (domestic version of which Mayakovsky in the famous play called "klopus vulgaris ..., found in the musty mattresses of time", and I, by analogy with the term used in the song from the film "Don César de Bazan", call Don Dublon, for their lasting love for the mortal metal).

The first two groups are people who are generally harmless and, in their own way, unhappy. They sincerely believe in their “mission”, and most importantly, they are unable, without the help of don doubloons, even to formulate their claims to opponents, the government, society and life in general.

The latter group consists of people literate enough to convince the “little ones” of their familiarity with the secrets of the universe, but not enough educated to offer their own concept of the situation, going beyond the methods of criticizing “bourgeois falsification” learned in the Soviet university, by pulling quotes from inaccessible to the masses of sources. Today, of course, there are no special guards, but the masses that are fed by don dublons still don’t read the originals of the texts, considering it sufficient to get acquainted with the opinion of the “guru”.

The abomination and danger of donons Dublon is not that they create a perverted picture of the world for readers and admirers, but that in pursuit of money and honors eternally escaping from them, they easily change their views, moving from adoration of fascists to radical anti-fascism (so radical, that it does not differ from fascism and only serves to compromise the anti-fascist movement), from supporting the liberal belolentochnogo movement, to terry monarchism, from Orthodox fundamentalism to such a radical leftist movement, that vneny him even Trotskyism and Maoism - only moderate currents. The reverse transition is also easy. The main birthmark that distinguishes the Doubloons is a true radicalism, the desire to run ahead of the locomotive, to be holier than the Pope, greater Obama than Obama and more Putin than Putin.

This is a logical move - if you cannot compete in a calm discussion, it is necessary to break its format, dramatically exacerbate the situation, create a conflict. The emergence of conflict ensures the polarization of the parties and the request for radicalism. But radical demands do not need to justify. They are “good” by the fact that the doubloons for all the good and against all the bad, and, unlike the “cowardly” “multi-tower” Kremlin, they want “all at once”. For the first time in Ukrainian political practice, this slogan was put forward in the early 90s by the then leader of the UNSO and already then an experienced fascist, my fellow student in the university, who was dismissed after the second year, Dmitry Korchinsky, but doubloons (obviously and implicitly, regardless of citizenship and country of residence) use it to this day.

Thus, conflict-induced radicalism is not a state of mind, but a way of feeding doubloons. Nothing personal - just business, but in everyday life they can be quite pleasant, moderately cynical sybarites.

Some colleagues are trying to wage informational struggles with doubloons, pointing to juggling, contradictions, continuous change of positions, non-academic discussion, substitution of meanings, outright lies, accompanied by rampant boasting and self-promotion. It's pointless. Doubloons can only serve as a submarine, even if it is hermetically sealed. This is harmful - every extra mention of a doubloon broadens its audience and maintains a sense of its own importance - noticed, arguing, it means that it’s not a trembling creature.

Now the doubloons are actively pushing Russia toward a radical position, and, in fact, toward war. Moreover, the war seems to them the only correct way to resolve any conflict and no matter how many wars will have to be fought simultaneously. Neither does it matter whether they will cause damage to the main adversary or, conversely, the US will have free hand and space for strategic maneuver, tying up Russia's hands and resources with exhausting chaotic conflicts in secondary areas, traditionally remaining outside the conflict and having the freedom to choose - when, by what means and on which side to join it.

For this, doubloons are often accused of treason and work with the money of the State Department and the CIA. This, if true, is only in certain exceptional cases. As a rule, they rush not to the US, but to the Russian budgets (harming Russia for its money has become a good tradition that no one wants to refuse, they even get offended and outraged when they are politely asked to walk through the market and offer their stale goods to someone something else). In view of the acute intellectual inadequacy, the doubloons are not in demand as advisers in the chess game and, therefore, they are trying to push Russian power into a chessboard fight mode. They operate with emotions only because they do not know how to operate with facts, to relate the potentials and capabilities of the parties, to consider not one option until the second move, but ten to the twentieth.

A competent, flexible politician can win without a war, unable to realize the beauty and understand the depth of maneuver of a doubloon war, conflict is needed as a means of personal enrichment. Like their Nazi-orange twin brothers, they can only be claimed by a split, in a state of civil opposition. The more stable the society, the more doubloons appear in the garbage (in the direct and figurative sense).

In order to deceive society and to provide support for their destructive ideas, they always offer, as a first point, an obvious fact that no one disputes. Today, for example, they state that the resumption of a hot conflict in Ukraine is inevitable. Russia's chance to be openly drawn into it is approaching 99%. Similarly, the Turkish leadership is practically unable to retreat in the conflict with Russia over the destruction of the Su-24 and the killing of two Russian servicemen. From which it follows that Russia (to which retreat is also contraindicated in terms of both international authority and internal political positioning of power) will almost inevitably enter the war with Turkey.

But further distortion begin. Firstly, from the fact that the possibility of victory without an open war (within the framework of a hybrid conflict) is extremely small the conclusion is made that there is no need to try. And then the whining begins, as Ukraine should have been occupied in 2014, and Turkey (since it was not pinned either in 1920 or 1945-1946) was destroyed, destroyed and divided immediately after its attack on the aircraft.

The fact that international provocations are organized in order to draw Russia into the war under conditions unfavorable to it has been written many times (many, not only by me) and many times explained why it’s better later than before, and even better with a kind word, without taking out pistol holsters. In the end, I agree that if they want to provoke us, then sooner or later they will be put in conditions in which the rejection of military reaction will be impossible. But is it worth the rush?

The hybrid war, during which the world is rapidly becoming chaotic, was not us. She started against us. Nevertheless, within the framework of the hybrid war, Russia was able to achieve a clear advantage by learning to use chaos to its own interests, acting as a stabilizer on time and in the right place. I am not writing this for those who “know everything” about “the evil Surkov,” “the cowardly Kremlin”, “the Donbas devotee”, “the Syrians who turned out to be more important than the Russians”, etc. This is written for those who are able to ask themselves the question: why did the United States, who were going to defeat us in the framework of the hybrid war, suddenly began to provoke an open conflict, not sparing not only Ukraine that was not needed by anyone, but even the Turks - their NATO allies, whose territory and army are extremely important from a strategic point of view, including for controlling the Middle East and ensuring access of the NATO Navy to the Black Sea?

The logical answer to this question is because the hybrid confrontation is losing and they understand that another one or two years of development of events in such a dynamic and in the direction of Washington, from which Russia intercepts the control of chaos, will lose its last chance not only to win, but even to a draw. His position will be as strategically hopeless as Germany’s in April 1945. Even now, drawing Russia into two wars at the same time (Ukraine and Turkey) does not guarantee its defeat - it is not known who will hold out longer and whose resources will run out earlier (at war with Russia or affected by the US systemic crisis). Every day won by the formal world is increasingly shifting the balance in our favor.

The importance of winning time is no less than it was in 1939-1941. Then there was not enough year. But it’s scary to think how a war could develop if it started in September 1939. Within those borders, at that level of training of troops, at that level of technical support (especially in the Air Force, even in the project there were no fighters capable of equal combat with Messerschmitt Bf-109), with the readiness of the leadership of Great Britain and France to support the aggression of Germany against the USSR ( despite their guarantees to Poland) the Soviet Union had little chance of holding out.

Now our position is much better than in the 1939-1941 year. Nevertheless, it makes no sense to tempt fate. It is unlikely that anyone has any doubt that it is worth Russia to get involved in a conflict with Turkey, as the arrogance of the Kiev regime (by the way, and its internal stability) will increase dramatically. Similarly, Ankara will feel much more confident if Russia is tied up in Ukraine. And with all the gradual "insight" of Europe, being involved at once in two wars against two European allies (albeit not loved ones), it will be difficult to prove that you are not the aggressor.

Logistics of the Syrian operation will be greatly complicated. Military spending will increase many times. Social budget items will have to be reduced, which will be perceived by the public without enthusiasm. The United States will joyfully set fire to Central Asia.

In addition, operations against Ukraine and Turkey have their own unpleasant features. It is desirable to dissolve them in time, spending successively, one after another - first Turkish and then Ukrainian, but it is technically impossible to do this, since Ukraine threatens the rear of the group against Turkey and can provide its territory for deep Turkish sabotage in the Bryansk, Kursk, Belgorod areas.

At the same time, it should be understood that absolutely surpassing Turkey in the qualitative, quantitative composition of the Armed Forces and in terms of their technical support, Russia, due to its specific features (both geographical and political, including the position of the Caucasian states, and not just the US and NATO) of the theater of military operations can not immediately concentrate grouping, sufficient for lightning defeat of Turkey. Consequently, the conflict will be long enough (hardly less than a year, and probably longer) and will require, together with the Syrian operation and the activation of galvanized Ukraine, a great deal of exertion.

On the other hand, the operation against Ukraine could take from several days to two weeks, but the worst would come after the victory, when Russia would have to urgently take on the maintenance of 40 million (almost a third of Russia's population) inhabitants of the occupied territory, as well as start investing tens of billions of dollars annually in creating a new economy there that would allow the population to stop feeding from the Russian budget in the foreseeable future and start at least partially earning a living on their own. A lightning victory over Ukraine, in terms of linking resources, would have cost more than a protracted conflict with Turkey. But the most dangerous thing is that, most likely, both conflicts would begin in direct connection with each other and Russia would receive all the problems in one bottle.

Patriotically hoping for the power of the army, but to achieve and consolidate victory finances are more important than warheads, and there is clearly not enough money to solve the Turkish-Ukrainian problem by force. By the way, Fuagra and Veuve Clicquot will be in stores - pensions and wages will begin to strive for the level of 90's. That is, from the state of intercepting the control of the chaos organized by the Americans, Russia will begin to move into its own internal chaos. To understand how it looks, what it leads to and how quickly it comes, take a look at Ukraine.

Therefore, in the framework of a hybrid war, avoiding open conflict, but (as in the case of an airplane), demonstrating readiness to go to the end if necessary, Russia uses not the most popular, but Minsk-proven mechanism for a comprehensive solution to geopolitical problems. Minsk, formally remaining a mechanism for resolving the internal Ukrainian conflict, went far beyond the limits of a purely Ukrainian format.

With the help of Minsk, Russia has put the Kiev regime in a situation where it cannot start a war. Germany and France do not command and threaten to place blame for the conflict on Ukraine, and this could lead to the lifting of European sanctions against Russia and, therefore, a complete failure of US policy in Europe.

But he can not and do not fight. Without war, the regime has nowhere to channel not only the hostility of its own Nazi militants against the leading remnants of the country of oligarchic kleptocracy, but also the hatred of the population, including the liberal-European integration crowd, which doesn’t understand why instead of milk rivers with milk and honey, Maidan brought only ruin, a sharp fall in life level, the elimination of the economy and endless civil war.

Without war, the regime is not viable. He was unable to carry out the federalist reform prescribed in Minsk and strongly recommended even by Biden, it was not for this that the Nazis unleashed the civil war (they could have been peacefully federalized as early as March 2014). It has already become a burden for the United States, which would have to be off balance, but they cannot just put down the Ukrainian bridgehead (after Saakashvilevskaya Georgia this will be the second deafening failure of the American project in the post-Soviet space and the complete loss of face and prospects). As a result, instead of Russian, chaotic Ukraine binds American resources, at the same time introducing dissonance into the touching relations of the United States with its leading European allies (Germany and France), which also incur enormous costs for the sake of extending the senseless agony of the unviable regime.

It is characteristic that the United States refused to directly support Turkey in its conflict with Russia. The EU also stepped aside. Ankara begins to develop the same hybrid process as with Ukraine. In fact, ideally, Russia is achieving the same thing that the Americans tried to achieve with the exact opposite. The strategic success of Moscow must pay opponents. The US and the EU are already paying it in Ukraine. Turkey and the United States must pay it in the Middle East.

There is a war between Moscow and Washington by proxy, on foreign territory, and mostly at the expense of others. Whoever invests less of his own resources in the fight and forces him to invest more of his opponent will win. So far, the United States is investing more, but they do not give up hope to turn the tide and force Russia to pay more - Washington is talking about this at all levels without hiding. And our doublon alarmists, who dream of making money on the radicalization of society and the militarization of state policy, are objective allies of Washington — a fifth column much more dangerous than all liberals and nationalists put together.

Of course, the ongoing Minsk policy, like any other, has its costs. In Ukraine as a whole and in the Donbass in particular, Russian people are really dying (or people loyally inclined towards Russia, although they are dreaming of a parochial self). But there is a loss in any war. The question is the criticality of their level. So, from the point of view of the development of the Russian World, the existence of Russia is critically necessary. The policy being pursued today to this requirement more than meets. Russia is still not only out of danger, but is moving progressively towards the design of its victory.

Only emotions can interfere with this - the same as those that destroyed the Russian rear in 1905 and in 1917. The doubloons, voluntarily or involuntarily, but disinterestedly, warm up their emotions with their defeatist propaganda (designed to bring about a change of chaos control in the framework of a hybrid Minsk, to dive into chaos under conditions of immersion in several direct military conflicts) and to try to undermine the people's trust in the authorities, in order to ask power budgets to restore this very confidence.
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  1. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 16 December 2015 19: 08 New
    31
    Russia is just waiting ... Understanding everything! We can kill, but we don’t want to! We always have time to slam ...
    1. maks-101
      maks-101 16 December 2015 19: 15 New
      16
      They themselves will soon bite each other. Avakov scandal with a bear, super gum shows are resting.
      1. ispaniard
        ispaniard 16 December 2015 19: 17 New
        54

        Dear forum users, here is a very suitable video for the article, Avakov’s conflict with Saakashvilli ...
        An Armenian threw a glass of water at Georgian and both appeal to President Hebrew ...
        -And where are the Ukrainians?
        -What Ukrainians ???
        laughing laughing laughing

        PS
        And Poroshenko / Valtsman finally tried on the role of an international peacekeeper to reconcile Armenia with Georgia wassat

        P.P.S. Notice in what language there is a "Conversation", no it is not Mova it is the language of "Aggressor" -Russian. I would even say "child-bearing" Russian. hi
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 16 December 2015 19: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: ispaniard
          Dear forum users, here is a very suitable video for the article, Avakov’s conflict with Saakashvilli ...
          An Armenian threw a glass of water at Georgian and both appeal to President Hebrew ...
          -And where are the Ukrainians?
          -What Ukrainians ???
          laughing laughing laughing

          PS
          And Poroshenko / Valtsman finally tried on the role of an international peacekeeper, reconciled Armenia with Georgia wassat

          Everything is as usual ...)))) Swear who in the end Ukraine is robbing! And Waltzman is laughing ...
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 16 December 2015 20: 18 New
            +7
            Putin is to blame for everything, they are cursing at the “great and mighty” ... I’m still wondering why they communicate in Russian (the enemy’s mov) ... they know friendly English almost everything at this gathering (and Washington would be pleased ) ...
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            Quote: ispaniard
            Dear forum users, here is a very suitable video for the article, Avakov’s conflict with Saakashvilli ...
            An Armenian threw a glass of water at Georgian and both appeal to President Hebrew ...
            -And where are the Ukrainians?
            -What Ukrainians ???
            laughing laughing laughing

            PS
            And Poroshenko / Valtsman finally tried on the role of an international peacekeeper, reconciled Armenia with Georgia wassat

            Everything is as usual ...)))) Swear who in the end Ukraine is robbing! And Waltzman is laughing ...
            1. KAV
              KAV 16 December 2015 21: 29 New
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              Of course, GDP is to blame for everything! The censor is already discussing this whole topic:
              1. 15ghost10
                15ghost10 16 December 2015 22: 33 New
                +8
                Two weeks ago, in an article "Poroshenko stated that Vladimir Putin" populates the Crimea with Siberians and exerts pressure on the Crimean Tatars, "I left my comment that one Ukrainian journalist named Kulikov (who runs Freedom of Speech on Pinchuk’s ICTV channel (and who traveled in the Donbass) said that Maidan was organized by Russia. That's it. So I'm not surprised at anything.
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                  1. Condor-a
                    Condor-a 17 December 2015 01: 45 New
                    -12
                    To the fact that the author writes about 109 confusing him with 262, and 1944 from 1939.
                    1. Mahmut
                      Mahmut 17 December 2015 06: 32 New
                      0
                      Between Moscow and Washington, a war is being fought by strangers, on foreign territory, and mainly at the expense of others

                      As for the "alien territory", I do not agree. What is happening inside the country cannot be called a widespread diversion.
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                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 17 December 2015 08: 30 New
                        +1
                        how many idiots on the site I would like the gentleman to still follow the bazaar.
                      2. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 17 December 2015 08: 34 New
                        -3
                        Well, watch ... Your administration decided that you deserved the USSR flag and not the VO flag?
                        What plus did not deliver?
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 17 December 2015 08: 40 New
                        +2
                        Do not be rude, young man, you can’t overcome it.
                      4. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 17 December 2015 08: 47 New
                        -2
                        Go horsewomen and whip ... wassat
                        What kind of idiots fit in?
                      5. avva2012
                        avva2012 17 December 2015 09: 12 New
                        0
                        Thanks for attention. Well, about me, at least, something can be said. Oh, about you?
                      6. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 17 December 2015 09: 23 New
                        0
                        What for? Is your minus again? Their number is growing lol
    2. Derex
      Derex 17 December 2015 02: 12 New
      +1
      On the contrary, Russia needs an entire economy that is not destroyed like NATO.
  2. Nick
    Nick 16 December 2015 22: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Putin is to blame for everything, they are cursing at the “great and mighty” ... I’m still wondering why they communicate in Russian (the enemy’s mov) ... they know friendly English almost everything at this gathering (and Washington would be pleased ) ...

    English is too rational, emotionally poor. Great and powerful, more vividly and contrastingly allows you to express emotions and feelings ... Especially the feelings of emotional Ukrainian highlanders ... wink hi
  3. volodimer
    volodimer 17 December 2015 08: 47 New
    +1
    You can’t do it in English, no way! The owners will understand that in the first place - morons are illiterate, in the second - small squabble thieves, and so on. And so, the inaccuracy of the translation and the imperfection of the language of the "aggressor".
  • Diana Ilyina
    Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 19: 27 New
    44
    ispaniard the funny thing is that both shouted that they Ukrainians! It was very funny to listen to how the Georgians argue with the Armenian, which of them is a wider cacol!

    In general, according to Ishchenko’s article, as always, on top! The only thing I can add is that we are afraid not so much of the liberals and the fifth column, but of the local governor-kings, who shit on the ground in such a way that the USA could not even dream of it! And so at all levels, up to the mayors of tiny cities and towns!
    1. _Vladislav_
      _Vladislav_ 16 December 2015 20: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: ispaniard
      Dear forum users, here is a very suitable video for the article, Avakov’s conflict with Saakashvilli ...

      Oh Class!
      I wanted to see this video in more detail. In the news, everything is somehow briefly ....
      Thank you hi
    2. Altona
      Altona 16 December 2015 21: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      In general, according to Ishchenko’s article, as always, on top! The only thing I can add is that we are afraid not so much of the liberals and the fifth column, but of the local governor-kings, who shit on the ground in such a way that the USA could not even dream of it! And so at all levels, up to the mayors of tiny cities and towns!

      --------------------------
      Yesterday I already read this article, subscribed to Ishchenko on Facebook, there are his page and give links to his publications ...
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      3. Igor Polovodov
        Igor Polovodov 17 December 2015 11: 37 New
        -1
        Wai meeee ....
        1. Condor-a
          Condor-a 17 December 2015 12: 09 New
          0
          There are so many deleted comments wassat
    4. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 17 December 2015 03: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      ... we are afraid not so much of the liberals and the fifth column, but of the local governor-kings who shit on the ground in such a way that the United States did not even dream about it!
      - Zhirinovsky should be assigned to them watching Putin. And then Volfych wastes a lot of energy, and then - oh, he will take his soul away, show his enthusiasm with patriotism.
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    1. 15ghost10
      15ghost10 16 December 2015 20: 07 New
      +6
      YOU directly removed from the language. Avakov and Miho is garbage. But imbicil Klim Chugunkin - this is just a mortality. Foreign Minister - I'm out.
      1. proletarian
        proletarian 16 December 2015 23: 21 New
        +1
        Dear, you have mixed something up; not foreign affairs, but other ones.
        Something like this.
  • Evver
    Evver 16 December 2015 19: 48 New
    16
    How Arsen Borisovich and Mikhail Nikolozovich quarreled ...

    Almost by Gogol good
  • avt
    avt 16 December 2015 20: 05 New
    +5
    Quote: ispaniard
    . Notice in what language there is a "Conversation", no it is not Mova it is the language of "Aggressor" -Russian

    Yeah ! Two roosters in a pigsty in Russian find out which of them is a wide Ukrainian wassat and Piglet closes the meeting. laughingBut all this, Surkov’s propaganda, filmed in the Mosfilm pavilion. wassat Salo dropped! Death to the curd!
  • Mikado
    Mikado 16 December 2015 20: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: ispaniard

    Dear forum users, here is a very suitable video for the article, Avakov’s conflict with Saakashvilli ...
    .......
    P.P.S. Notice in what language there is a "Conversation", no it is not Mova it is the language of "Aggressor" -Russian. I would even say "child-bearing" Russian. hi

    The meaning of the conversation is as follows:

    - You're a thief! (it’s the same as saying “you are a male genital organ!”)
    - No you!

    However, progress is evident in Ukraine! If before they were always scandalized in the Rada, now progress in behavior has already reached the government! Peremoga! wassat We look forward to continuing!
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  • Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 16 December 2015 20: 49 New
    +1
    It’s a pity that the bastards didn’t fill each other’s faces with thieves and guest performers!
    1. shalim
      shalim 16 December 2015 22: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Rossiyanin
      It’s a pity that the bastards didn’t fill each other’s faces with thieves and guest performers!

      Believe me: these muzzles are not "tormented" for long, they’ll soon trample yes
  • The black
    The black 16 December 2015 20: 50 New
    +3
    Just HONEY !!! Ghouls with a ghoul are scattered all over the world! :))) How good! There is still a god on earth !!!! laughing This is a complete collapse of this power !!!!!!!!! laughing The most hilarious comedy of directors from the USA, released in the last 5 years !!!
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 16 December 2015 21: 28 New
    +8
    This is a truly free circus!
    I sent a reference about the dismantling of the "patriots" of Ukraine: Kazakhstan, Armenia, the Baltic states, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Germany. USA, Bulgaria. Life scattered my colleagues. Probably they will be interested to see this, given that their TV may not show this.
  • ASK505
    ASK505 16 December 2015 22: 20 New
    0
    [quote = ispaniard]
    P.P.S. Notice in what language there is a "Conversation", no it is not Mova it is the language of "Aggressor" -Russian. I would even say "child-bearing" Russias

    Dear Cantemir, have you read the article? What are you talking about in the article, at least you understand? And the forum ran for your out of place stuffing. Forum users, ay! We are writing on the case.
    1. ispaniard
      ispaniard 17 December 2015 00: 14 New
      +2
      [quote = ASK505] [quote = ispaniard]
      P.P.S. Notice in what language there is a "Conversation", no it is not Mova it is the language of "Aggressor" -Russian. I would even say "child-bearing" Russias

      Dear Cantemir, have you read the article? What are you talking about in the article, at least you understand? And the forum ran for your out of place stuffing. Forum users, ay! We write in the case. [/ Quote]
      Well firstly, Greetings to Naira hi
      Secondly, I read the article itself three days earlier in The Running Line (before it was posted here). The article is literate and is based on a historical spiral (+ certain specific inclusions of modernity in any way), which has the peculiarity of repeating itself. This is the consistency of the article (If you think that I have not read it). But to the picture that entitled the article DOESN'T VIDEO APPROACH?!? Yes, and respected forum users wanted to show the next series from "Geroslavs" - "House No. 6" Moreover, a considerable part of the article concerns most of it (House No. 6).
      Thirdly, as you understand from point 2, this is not a stuffing or even a flood. And here is yours - Forum users, ay! We write in the case.

      Naira -Ah! Don't peeИma -We write ... Learn to start the Russian language. wink
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 17 December 2015 04: 14 New
        +8
        An interesting article, an interesting point of view!
        She reminded me of a case. Somehow I had to talk with a senior ideologist of a Russian political party. And something incurred him in unrealistic target forecasts in the politics of Russia. I listened, listened - and I told him that these are dangerous dreams that in reality will never come true. Explained why. He listened to me and immediately agreed with my arguments. And suddenly, as he said dreamily: “Oh, we would have ANOTHER people !!! That would replace THIS people - then EVERYTHING would work out for us! ”- which surprised me even more. I then say to him: “But we have NO ANOTHER people - and there cannot be! We must work with the people that are. What kind of people are you going to build your “good future” for? For real? Or for a fictional one? ”-“ Well, of course, for our grief-proud ukk! ”, He sighed. “So it turns out that you as an avant-garde - that is, a political party - these same griefs, as you put it, and should work with them ideologically, and not just dream of replacing them or that they themselves will change. Much depends on you. ” Naturally, he agreed with me.
        So the article is about the same. It is necessary to explain more often in the case. If the public misunderstands something, it is necessary to tell. It is also necessary to criticize so that a person works on himself. We are all different, everyone is strong in something of their own, everyone has their own life. One works well with the head and constantly communicates with information, but the other works expertly with hands and has nothing to do with information. And all these people are our people. And the people must be protected. We have no other people. To my traitors - pro-Western liberals - this, of course, is not my comment.
        And so in the sense of war everything is explained correctly.

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        3. Condor-a
          Condor-a 17 December 2015 12: 12 New
          +4
          They don’t think about their people, they don’t talk and they don’t write. And more than in any country they do not risk doing this, because there will be at least disability ...
      2. oblako
        oblako 17 December 2015 04: 55 New
        0
        Che, glory to Ukraine ... and its heroes ... Kremlin agents, opened up and spoke in Russian and they had not yet given birth, like radio operator Kat, but what will happen if you have to ...? It is necessary to strengthen the training ...
  • Lelek
    Lelek 17 December 2015 00: 53 New
    0
    Quote: ispaniard
    An Armenian threw a glass of water at Georgian and both appeal to President Hebrew ...


    Two hot Caucasian kats - Saakov and Avakoshvili, in public, in Russian in the Supreme U.K.R.O.S.P.S.K.M. of the former "non-independent" synclite found out which of them is the most-most Ukrainian Ukrainian, and along the way designated who the thief most thief.
    It should be noted how the most high-minded Klimkin reacted to the situation. He clearly reveled in this spectacle - to know tastier than pancakes with caviar. bully
  • Lelek
    Lelek 17 December 2015 01: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: ispaniard
    -What are the Ukrainians?


    Well, how is it, how is it? Here is another new UKR on the way. Rows are growing.
    (cry.)
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 17 December 2015 01: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Lelek
      Here is another new one ...


      By the way, I almost forgot about this new one:
      (cry.)
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 16 December 2015 19: 55 New
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    Quote: am808s
    Previously, they were not called "doubloons" but instigators. In the Patriotic War, they were provocateurs.

    And immediately they leaned against the wall without trial and investigation and the demon of ceremonies and did the right thing, the article is very correct and very in time, in any branches and not only in VO or with a saber it’s hard to wail or groan who lives in Russia. He who has ears, he who has eyes yes, read it, having a head, let it think. Article +++. And now you can minus it even to the blueness.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 19: 59 New
      +8
      [quote = 79807420129] [quote = am808s] And now you can minus at least until you turn blue. [/ quote]

      Well, why minus ?! You are right, plus you and Rostislav Ishchenko! By the way, he is one of the most adequate and sober-minded analysts, I respect!
  • sssla
    sssla 16 December 2015 23: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: maks-xnumx
    gum shows are resting.

    Have a rest ??? Yes this is Comedy Battle of the Year !!!!!
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 16 December 2015 19: 30 New
    +6
    Now our situation is much better than in 1939-1941



    Are you from a time machine? Or are you 90-100 years old and remember what happened?
    Why chat with anything ...
    In total, they are now talking about the year 1917-2017 as a crucial and hereditary one in 100 years ....
    And what about-1914-the beginning of the First World War-and not mythical buns died but our guys ....
    And this was already a disaster, and not only of our country.
    And if you slipped -2014,2015-so what?
    Does not matter? Meteorologists in such cases say it will rain in some areas, sometimes., At times, and so on.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 19: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Are you from a time machine? Or are you 90-100 years old and remember what happened?
      Why chat with anything ...


      Well, probably Ishchenko meant that in terms of armaments we are in better condition than before the Second World War! And if you take such a century-old analogy, then the logic would be something like this: June 1812 - September 1914 - December 2016, something like that ?!
      1. onix757
        onix757 16 December 2015 20: 05 New
        -6
        Well, probably Ishchenko meant that in terms of armaments we are in better condition than before the Second World War!

        and in terms of industry as in May 45th
        1. Mooh
          Mooh 17 December 2015 02: 45 New
          +6
          Everything around is bad, cowards and traitors are in power, only I know the correct algorithm of actions leading to salvation, but they don’t hear me, they don’t understand and everything is lost bully
  • FiremamRescueS
    FiremamRescueS 17 December 2015 11: 17 New
    +1
    Good article. The right conclusions.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 16 December 2015 19: 12 New
    +5
    Fine as always analysis, as always ironic, but to the point.
    hi drinks good wink
    1. Maksus
      Maksus 16 December 2015 19: 37 New
      +4
      An analysis that smoothly brings us to the idea that we need everyone who disagrees with the opinion of the party and government to the wall. That's right, you give purge in the ranks!
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 19: 52 New
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        Quote: Maksus
        That's right, you give purge in the ranks!


        Cleaning in the ranks is high time to spend! Comrade Stalin knew what he was doing! True, under a hot hand and a huge number of non-wine fell, but then they were released!
        But how with our ranks of Vysiliev, Makarevich, Kasparov, Sobchak, Chubais and other dishonesty to enter the war ?! That is the question!
        1. onix757
          onix757 16 December 2015 20: 09 New
          +3
          about a huge number do not bend. Now sits more
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 16 December 2015 20: 38 New
          +7
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          they were later released!

          “Then” is when? Can I find out?
          My friend's great-grandmother was arrested in the 37th, worked in the factory cafeteria, and someone, apparently, didn’t like how it was cooked ..
          Released, but only in the 55th. Three orphans grew up with a living mother. And after 3 years she died from tuberculosis earned in the camp.
          You can support or not support the events of those years - but don't lie that everything was wonderful.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 16 December 2015 21: 18 New
            +7
            And what was written in the great-grandmother’s sentence? What was they planted for? If you talk to the sitters, then they all just sit there. And to read the criminal case, little was given. When meeting you, such inmates begin to talk about their difficult share, and then they put a knife to their throats. And robbing you do not consider it a lawlessness. And when they catch, they again start to shed a tear. Therefore, do not put pressure on pity for the sidelords. And in modern life there are many such examples.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 16 December 2015 22: 28 New
              +6
              Quote: 34 region
              do not put pressure on pity for the sidelings.

              I’m not pushing pity — I bring a fact from the life of a simple Russian family.
              I didn’t read the verdict, I won’t lie. But at the level at which they lived, the likelihood of meeting “enemies of the people” was too small: not on that scale. Yes, and children .. it's the same responsibility!
              It’s easy to wave a saber. You can’t just sew your head back. And God forbid you be guilty without guilt - you seem to have a poor idea of ​​how the state suppression machine works:
              read a criminal case, gave little.
              - These tales you tell students. As criminal cases write, I also encountered a couple of times in my life. In one case, however, nothing really changed from the addition of "merit" - there was enough without additives. But a few "grouse" were hanged on the peasant, for unloading.
              And in the second, they made a recidivist from the “first time”. And everything rolled, the judge did not blink an eye .. just under the "delivery of indicators" hit a guy. I do not justify it - but he received undeservedly a lot.
              Why is all this said: if you hold events similar to Stalin's time, a logical question arises: ARE THE JUDGES - WHO ?! Under the current judicial system, the “zakazniks” will be just innocent and local officials will be given free hands to fight against the unwanted. I think if this happened now - you would very quickly change your mind. hi
        3. SPACE
          SPACE 16 December 2015 20: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Diana Ilyina

          Cleaning in the ranks is high time to spend! Comrade Stalin knew what he was doing! True, under the hot hand and a huge number of non-wine fell

          Stalin used radical, surgical, but quick methods of "treatment", such was required by the pre-war situation. At present, such methods are too wasteful and will throw Russia back again, in the wilderness of defense, in general, while they do not have time. Putin is a therapist, good doctor Aibolit will heal everyone)), using medication methods, holy water, an antibiotic or antiseptic, pesticides and herbicides, to create unbearable living conditions for all kinds of parasites.
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          But how with our ranks of Vysiliev, Makarevich, Kasparov, Sobchak, Chubais and other dishonesty to enter the war ?! That is the question!

          If they have a place to be criminal offenses, investigative and judicial authorities should be engaged. Don diblon as well as moral crimes, including ideological, should be dealt with by society itself, in the person of sober, respected, educated people, such as, for example, the author of this article and methods of informational, oral or printed reasoned criticism, censure, humor, etc.
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 17 December 2015 14: 29 New
            0
            [quote = COSMOS] [quote = Diana Ilyina] Putin is a therapist, the good doctor Aibolit will heal everyone), using medical methods, holy water, an antibiotic or antiseptic, pesticides and herbicides, create unbearable living conditions for all kinds of parasites.
            [/ Quote]

            You see what the matter is, no therapist can completely treat the patient, only translate the disease into prolonged remission.
          2. Condor-a
            Condor-a 17 December 2015 14: 44 New
            0
            In the light of recent medical reform achievements, the joke is dark ...
        4. 34 region
          34 region 16 December 2015 21: 09 New
          +6
          In my opinion, Stalin was against executions. But the comrades voted FOR. I understand in this way they wanted to remove competitors in the political struggle. But then we got to them. And before the executions, people were imprisoned for a year, exiled. The death penalty is not humane? You tell the elves. They execute both individual citizens and entire countries. Stalin was criticized for stiffness but Hong Kong is praised. The order there was planted by three of his best friends. The head knew why they had been imprisoned, and they knew why they had sat down.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 16 December 2015 22: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: 34 region
            In my opinion, Stalin was against executions.

            In your? Or is it real? ..
            Doesn’t it seem that you are going to the same place where the “idiots” are: The Tsar - is he good ..?
            Stalin what before the revolution did, do not remember? And after all, this is reality, and not invented Soviet propaganda! So if it was necessary to put things in order, he understood that this would not work without blood, and was mentally prepared to apply ANY methods. The leader of the USSR at that moment could not be "white and fluffy", AND WASN’T.
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        6. Baloo
          Baloo 16 December 2015 21: 40 New
          +6
          Diana IlyinaComrade Stalin knew what he was doing! True, under a hot hand and a huge number of non-wine fell, but then they were released!
          But how with our ranks of Vysiliev, Makarevich, Kasparov, Sobchak, Chubais and other dishonesty to enter the war ?! That is the question!

          Some of the victims were also executioners. The motives are different: the housing issue, career, someone else’s woman or man, hostility, including and "ball".
          No one gives statistics. One great artist, a courageous man who spent much of his youth serving time in Stalin's camps, wept for a long time, having familiarized himself with his personal file and finding out who had denounced him. In our city center on one of the houses there is a plaque dedicated to the well-deserved ... laureate ... and all that other person.
          At 37, she renounced her husband, calling him a Trotskyist, etc. Was she happy? I don’t know, but the authorities were kindly treated in all forms. Ochchchen was authoritative in her profession.
          My grandfather was from a family of enemies of the people, because in his hungry 20s his mother gave work to the whole village, something like a collective farm. But they dispossessed. It saved that they managed to collect the tools, took a goat and seeds with them. So in the Siberian taiga dug out a dugout, and the goat saved everyone.
          As for the current liberals, they do not hide on whose cookies they live.
          1. ASK505
            ASK505 16 December 2015 22: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Balu
            As for the current liberals, they do not hide on whose cookies they live.


            There are no others, but those are farther.
            1. AUL
              AUL 17 December 2015 14: 03 New
              0
              I read the article and doubted for a long time - plus or minus? As a result, I did not evaluate. A very controversial, uneven article, many theses are controversial, some are far-fetched. But a lot is very fair. To disassemble an article by points - you will have to write too much.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 16 December 2015 19: 19 New
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    Someone aptly said: if you want someone to take revenge, then do not get excited - sit on the bank of the river and the current itself will bring the corpse of your enemy ...
    My personal opinion is that time in this case is on our side. You only need to STRONGLY defend your opinion and wait ... Due to the lack of the necessary reaction, all rivals and “partners” themselves will make mistakes after mistakes and thereby give us advantages in the fight against them. In this case, we should not lower them to their level, then and the rest will see who is really right ... And then you need to go about their business in re-equipping the army and their internal affairs, paying less attention to all sorts of tips. After all, do not ask - do not advise.
    This is my personal opinion hi
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 16 December 2015 19: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      if you want someone to take revenge, then do not get excited - sit on the river bank and the current itself will bring the corpse of your enemy ...

      Sun-Tzu's slightly paraphrased statement.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 16 December 2015 19: 47 New
        0
        I will not argue smile good hi
        1. Rader
          Rader 16 December 2015 20: 03 New
          +8
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: Rurikovich
          if you want someone to take revenge, then do not get excited - sit on the river bank and the current itself will bring the corpse of your enemy ...

          Sun-Tzu's slightly paraphrased statement.

          The "Art of War" by Song Tzu is a powerful thing, of course, but the meaning of this phrase is that if you see how your enemy makes mistakes, do not bother him ... But this does not mean that he (the enemy) is forbidden to help make these mistakes wink So far, Russia's foreign policy is very balanced (fever was not argued even in the case of Drying), and in general corresponds to the idea of ​​"victory over the enemy without entering the battlefield."
          As for the article, I practically agree with the author in everything, except, perhaps:
          They operate with emotions only because they do not know how to operate with facts, correlate potentials and capabilities of the parties, consider not one option before the second move, but ten to the twentieth.

          Yes, they know how to operate with facts, be healthy know how. But working on emotions is much easier and more effective! So, I support the idea that first you need to drop emotions, and then make decisions. hi
    2. Vasily Krylov
      Vasily Krylov 16 December 2015 19: 41 New
      -1
      Moreover, the term "hybrid wars" has been widely used recently, I have long wanted to advise the author of these "wars" to try to translate the usual expression for everyday life: do you want some tea? Yes, no, a little. There will be a chance. Although. And while we are alive, no chance.
    3. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 16 December 2015 23: 12 New
      +1
      The funny thing is that the author of the article did not tell ANYTHING new ...
      If you read it carefully, he first divided those who disagree with him into three parts, and then he beat them all together and separately.
      Then he stupidly told, confused in chronology, what was happening and what is happening now ...
      And? What is the conclusion? What should we do next?
      According to him, do nothing. Wait.
      Why wait? When will it resolve itself?
      Well, they waited until the Bandera gathered a huge army. Now they are almost completing the preparations ...
      But if the Americans really throw them “javelins”, then it will be completely sad.
      Or does the author think that the Ukrainian troops near Donetsk are just concentrating? ...
      Well let's wait! request
      We already waited for Libya, like ...
      Then they waited in Syria until Assad was pressed to the sea ... And I had to intervene at the very last moment.
      Well, let's wait a bit ...
      Meanwhile, the barmalei will not only scatter across Afghanistan, but also across Central Asia with the Caucasus.
      Do not want to fight on two fronts?
      Well, calm down ... we are already fighting on two fronts, or I just noticed.
      Of course, it’s not for me to decide for power.
      But soon our entire border will blaze.
      Well then, let's wait.
  • Disant
    Disant 16 December 2015 19: 23 New
    +8
    real don doubloons drive the countries into debt bondage, giving (pushing) the country a loan. the government that took the loan is leaving (the time has come), and the descendants are paying for decades for the mediocre stupid corrupt skins
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 19: 35 New
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      If you are about Ukraine, then I'm sorry, but she deserved it! Do not be offended, but it's true! Judging by the flag, are you from Ukraine ?! If so, it was not Russia that rode on the Maidan, we did not shout: Mos *** on her knives, we did not burn people alive in Odessa, but if so, then you have to pay for everything in the world! This is your retribution, for hatred, for cowardice, for "my hut from the edge", for deceit and theft, for meanness and betrayal!

      Sorry for the directness, but I no longer feel sorry for the Ukrainians, you really are not brothers to us!
      1. Disant
        Disant 16 December 2015 20: 00 New
        +5
        What does Ukraine have to do with it?
        two hundred countries today need the IMF.
        two hundred governments at one time realized to improve their situation at the expense of the IMF. here they are still correcting, taking new debts, restructuring. in short, they will milk everyone for a long time.
        and Ukrainian debts will somehow fall on the neighbors. including you.
        I am not from Ukraine, the flag is drawn
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 16 December 2015 20: 14 New
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          Quote: Disant
          What does Ukraine have to do with it?
          two hundred countries today need the IMF.
          two hundred governments at one time realized to improve their situation at the expense of the IMF. here they are still correcting, taking new debts, restructuring. in short, they will milk everyone for a long time.
          and Ukrainian debts will somehow fall on the neighbors. including you.
          I am not from Ukraine, the flag is drawn

          Here you explain to me unreasonable how this Ukrainian debts will fall on the neighbors and on us including?
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 20: 38 New
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            Quote: 79807420129
            So you explain to me unreasonable how this Ukrainian debts will fall on neighbors and on us including?


            I’m also wondering why on us ?! Why not Poland, Hungary, Romania, which have already partly cut part of Ukraine in absentia ?! Why will Ukraine divide it, and Russia should pay for it ?! This is such a ukrotrend, do you give money to Mos **, otherwise we have nothing to spoil from the hunger for the fence ?!
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 16 December 2015 21: 02 New
              10
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Quote: 79807420129
              So you explain to me unreasonable how this Ukrainian debts will fall on neighbors and on us including?


              I’m also wondering why on us ?! Why not Poland, Hungary, Romania, which have already partly cut part of Ukraine in absentia ?! Why will Ukraine divide it, and Russia should pay for it ?! This is such a ukrotrend, do you give money to Mos **, otherwise we have nothing to spoil from the hunger for the fence ?!

              Dear Diana, dill thinks that America will help them, Europe will accept in its alliance, and Russia should pay for all this pleasure. Although everyone is tired of them and keeps them only because they have a common border with Russia and bark at us more dill dog. Dill is not in the house, that the West needs Russia with its minerals and all its resources, and preferably with a president like the alcoholic Yeltsin, but it’s best managed from the US embassy like ours in the 90s or now in Ukraine, and we the villains dared to resist, oh I apologize I kind of like Ostap Bender has suffered, but I think I tak.S respect to the lovely lady at the BO. love
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 21: 18 New
                +9
                Vlad, I absolutely agree with you! We have already survived the "friendship" with America, thank God! I absolutely support the help of Russia to Donbass! I just do not want to feed out of my pocket, a crowd of hungry frenzied Svidomo, when they have nothing to eat, and this will happen sooner or later!

                Regards from a beautiful lady! Thanks for the compliment, very nice! love
                1. 79807420129
                  79807420129 16 December 2015 21: 44 New
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                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  Vlad, I absolutely agree with you! We have already survived the "friendship" with America, thank God! I absolutely support the help of Russia to Donbass! I just do not want to feed out of my pocket, a crowd of hungry frenzied Svidomo, when they have nothing to eat, and this will happen sooner or later!

                  Regards from a beautiful lady! Thanks for the compliment, very nice! love

                  Diana, yes, it looks like nobody will feed these Svidomo banderays to the famine, the IMF has already enslaved loans for 200 years in advance, the poor children being born should already have the IMF, the FSA has gotten a faithful slave, now it is giving them food from the lord's table, so that they would not die prematurely, Well, Europe got a market for its stale goods, maybe I’m naive, but it seems to me that in the course of time Novorossia and Crimea will return home, and let Galitsaev and other Bandera take Europe away. With respect to you love
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 17 December 2015 01: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Disant
          and Ukrainian debts ...


          Well, a congenial plan is ripening in the former one about this:
          (cry.)
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      3. skifd
        skifd 16 December 2015 20: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        This is your retribution, for hatred, for cowardice, for "my hut from the edge", for deceit and theft, for meanness and betrayal!

        Sorry for the directness, but I no longer feel sorry for the Ukrainians, you really are not brothers to us!


        Sorry, but Fashington applauds you. . Read the forums of Ukraine, the same Odessa, Kharkov, and even there are Lviv forums where you can find out the attitude of a considerable part of the "Ukrainians" to what is happening with them .. The bastards who pitted us will answer for this one way or another, give time. And we live with them anyway together. One must still understand that any "epidemic" will pass sooner or later, yes, the "treatment" will be long, but the "recovery" is inevitable. Moreover, it would be nice not to forget that the "bacilli" of this "plague", although they were brought in "from outside", were spread just from our "golden-headed" ... Sadness. sad
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 20: 52 New
          15
          Quote: skifd
          Sorry, but Fashington applauds you [/ i] [/ b].


          And whose soldiers are fighting in the APU ?! Who is this?! Maybe these are aliens, Martians, who are these killers ?! You will not tell me ?!

          And I’ll tell you, these are residents to a greater extent not even of the western, but of the central and eastern regions of Ukraine! These are residents of Poltava, Sum, Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Odessa and even Donetsk! Or didn’t you know about this ?!

          It doesn’t matter who writes what on the forums, this does not stop the war, robberies and murders! Or didn’t you see how these "valiant" ukrovoyaki "drag everything from the occupied regions, including worn lingerie! Is it to what degree of meanness you have to fall in order to steal your woman, worn panties hanging on a clothesline ?!

          So do not tell me about the unfortunate Ukrainian people!
          1. skifd
            skifd 17 December 2015 00: 56 New
            -3
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            So don't tell meabout unhappy Ukrainian people!


            Yes ... To you personally - I’m unlikely to be. But whoever conceived this massacre achieves his goals, I see. And h.r.e. stubborn and lazy (about the desire to rummage around, but do not look at the top) explain that this foam is not all the people. And that a bunch of freaks (what do they have on the “our” side!) Are now doing everything possible to separate us as far as possible from each other. But in essence - this is a "new Civil War" in the territories of the former USSR, which you did not know in your "youth" years, and you will never understand.
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 17 December 2015 09: 01 New
              +8
              Quote: skifd
              And that a bunch of freaks (what do they have on the “our” side!) Are now doing everything possible to separate us as far as possible from each other.


              As I understand you to me a bunch of freaks also ascribe ?!

              Then tell me in favor, since you are so compassionate with us, why should I, as a taxpayer, feed and support a 40-million people who have manure in their head instead of brains ?! I'm not saying that all polls are thieves and murderers, BUT ..., as they say there is a nuance!

              Explain to me, wretched, why Russia throughout the entire existence of Ukraine, only did what it contained ?! Yes, yes, it did contain how much we financed Ukraine for these 24 years ?! In my opinion, something in the region of 230-250 billion evergreens, and that's not counting the gas stolen from the pipe! But what has Ukraine and its people been doing all this time ?! Maybe they are so grateful to us that they have a new Bogdan Khmelnitsky and said: Russia and Ukraine are brothers forever ?! No, he didn’t appear, Ukraine has been jumping all this time, holding elections, again running, then re-elections, then again jumping, Maidan, elections, re-elections, Maidan and so on in a circle, in a spiral, with a spin! And all this time, while they were jumping, we worked, but we worked! We worked quietly and not noticeably, paid debts including for Ukraine, got rid of the influence of the IMF and worked again! But Ukraine continued to devour the inheritance inherited from the USSR and did nothing, but just jumped and demanded money, discounts, preferences from us and hated us more and more, yes, it hated us!

              AND DON'T NEED TO TELL ME THAT THIS IS NOT SO - THIS IS SO! I have the right to say so, because from my home to the border with Ukraine there are 70-80 kilometers and I have been there quite often before and have seen it all with my own eyes, moreover, I have relatives there with whom we have not been talking for a long time because that I swear mos *** ka, katsa ** ka (although I’m a Don Cossack), a quilted jacket, a scoop and a Colorado, and they suddenly became Russian from Russian Russians! And if it were only my isolated case, then there are no such cases, most of them! Ukraine is a brain-eating virus, and most citizens of Nenki are infected with this virus! Something like that!

              P.S. And yet, someone (in my opinion Bismarck or Brzezinski, or both at once) said that Russia without Ukraine is not an empire, Russia with Ukraine is an empire! So, dear Sergey, Russia was, is and will be a great empire without Ukraine and without Belarus and without other former "union" republics (and in fact corrupt mongrels)! Moreover, the empire of good, in the best sense, the empire of the soul and the Russian spirit! And if you do not realize this, then I am sorry for you!
              1. Sasha_Sar
                Sasha_Sar 17 December 2015 12: 41 New
                +4
                I completely agree. By my example, I can tell you, my uncle went to live in Kirovograd 40 years ago (transferred to work), he had a son there, he is now over 30, and so for him we, the DPR and LPR are “colorads” and “quilted jackets”. He was a migrant worker in Italy until the Libyans “rushed” there, now he is not at work. I spoke with my uncle last summer, it all came down to the fact that we correctly took the Crimea to ourselves, but Putin, Miller (they think their salary) are to blame for the Ukrainian troubles, that's why such expensive gas in Ukraine. We still communicate on the phone (mainly birthday greetings), to the question: “How do you live?”, The answer: “Everything is fine, everyone pays a pension on time and that’s all ...”. Well, how can I relate to them after that. A classmate with whom they shared cadet rations, in classmates hung an avatar "Glory to Ukraine". And another sold an apartment in Kiev and this year left for Russia, because it is not possible to live there.
              2. Condor-a
                Condor-a 17 December 2015 13: 04 New
                -2
                The theme of the USSR is not disclosed, although it is mentioned. Too many letters about bad relatives, a gas pipe (is it in your garden?) And debts ...
                Plus for the avatar.
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Explain to me, wretched, why Russia throughout the entire existence of Ukraine, only did what it contained ?!

                For finances do you or your friends report? lol or are you soaring others here?
                They suck both one country and another.
                1. Diana Ilyina
                  Diana Ilyina 17 December 2015 14: 03 New
                  +7
                  Condor-A, you still have not been sent to eternal non-existence, I mean ban ?! Weird! You don’t need to, you need a censor, your target audience is there, they will not understand and appreciate you here! tongue
                  1. Condor-a
                    Condor-a 17 December 2015 14: 23 New
                    -2
                    And what account do you have there? Let me guess ...
                    I think in the evenings you are commenting there with friends, in the morning and in the evening - here.

                    Diana is such a direct Cossack name ... Essentially nothing to write to me.
                    If the Ukrainians believe that they are robbed by the russians, and the russians are told that they feed the black soil Ukraine, then the truth is different, and in the middle it can’t be ... Soros pays a lot for work with foam at the mouth? Or someone else? And something about Kolomoisky has not been heard here for a long time, he is so helpful, he probably has a combine harvester, a farm, so there is a lot of lard, wheat and potato, and he feeds everyone with it. laughing
                    Square in Kiev and a couple of banderstatt all galloping can not accommodate? Probably someone else should be in the shop, in the mine and in the field?
                    1. Diana Ilyina
                      Diana Ilyina 17 December 2015 14: 53 New
                      +7
                      Condor-A, you could not answer your set of “bukaf” and the outburst of consciousness, because it is not clear what you wanted to say with your comment, but still I will answer!

                      First, express your thoughts competently, so dumb quilted jackets, as I could understand your high-pitched syllable!
                      Secondly, I really went to the censor a couple of times, the account is the same as here, I'm not hiding! But looking at this garbage and trying to comment something a couple of times, I decided that my nerves could not stand it, read that nonsense that was there!
                      Thirdly: Diana, really not a Cossack name, but since we do not live in the days of “Quiet Don” and I live not in a village, but in a city, then my parents decided to call it like that!

                      I will not comment further, as I can not make out your stream of consciousness! I can only say that by the style of writing and the way of thinking, you are most likely a young, poorly educated Svidomo Ukrainian who went to VO to patrol the local community!

                      Good luck Do not choke on bile! tongue
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                      2. Condor-a
                        Condor-a 17 December 2015 16: 28 New
                        0
                        Wrong answer. It would be better not to answer. laughing
                        Not a single Ukrainian or Belarusian is interested in how much the Ukrainian oligarch borrowed from the Russian. Just as none of the Russian hard workers were interested (they did not see this money, but owed it later) how much the Russian oligarchs borrowed from the people from the Americans or any other, when even humanitarian aid to the population sold.
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        I won’t comment further, because I can’t make out your stream of consciousness ...
                        Good luck Do not choke on bile!

                        Still, potato does not grow on asphalt in the city, maybe only vegetarian cutlets in the refrigerator love
                  2. Condor-a
                    Condor-a 17 December 2015 14: 46 New
                    -1
                    And on the censor, they did not understand and did not accept me, and therefore I am here lol
                    Again minus? ...
              3. skifd
                skifd 17 December 2015 17: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                in my opinion Bismarck


                Bismarck, Diana, Bismarck. He is credited with a "famous quote." But only in real life he didn’t say this, then there simply wasn’t yet “Ukraine”, only the “project” was born.
                1. Condor-a
                  Condor-a 17 December 2015 18: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: skifd
                  Yes ... to you personally - I’m unlikely to be yet.

                  ?
                2. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 17 December 2015 19: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: skifd
                  Bismarck
                  Brzezinski seems.
            2. Condor-a
              Condor-a 17 December 2015 16: 38 New
              0
              Quote: skifd
              Yes ... to you personally - I’m unlikely to be yet.

              It is useless - she consciously or subconsciously participates in it and she likes it ...
      4. avia1991
        avia1991 16 December 2015 20: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        I no longer feel sorry for the Ukrainians, you really are not our brothers!

        Diana, keep in mind that both Crimea and Donbass appear with the same flag. Do not offend people without looking. hi
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 16 December 2015 21: 13 New
          10
          Quote: avia1991
          Diana, keep in mind that both Crimea and Donbass appear with the same flag. Do not offend people without looking. hi


          I did not want to offend Comrade Disant at all, I ask him not to be offended and not to accept what I said to myself! hi

          I just expressed my attitude to the Svidomo and Bandera! Who really is who, and they’re not my brothers for sure!
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 16 December 2015 22: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            I just expressed my attitude to the Svidomo and Bandera! Who really is who, and they’re not my brothers for sure!

            Well, about this, hardly anyone will argue wink
            However, those who remind us that not all Ukrainians are Bandera are right.
      5. AndreyS
        AndreyS 17 December 2015 07: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Sorry for the directness, but I no longer feel sorry for the Ukrainians, you really are not brothers to us!

        Well, what are you, dear Diana so straightforward!
        You are a citizen of a great country, be more lenient to our smaller brothers. But at the same time, it is certainly necessary to educate them, so that in a fit of hatred and chanting, they would not dare to bite the hand of the benefactor of their lactating one!
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        2. Condor-a
          Condor-a 17 December 2015 18: 20 New
          +1
          With a spoon stood, "educator"? All of Ukraine is fertile black soil, in Russia - only a very small part of it. And a more favorable climate for agricultural.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 16 December 2015 19: 23 New
    +7
    porridge, not an article. "Horses mixed in a bunch, people"
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 16 December 2015 19: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      porridge, not an article. "Horses mixed in a bunch, people"

      This kind of mess turns out when you try to fit a whole volume of 10 pages, if you give an expanded version of the read, finish only tomorrow. But in fact, everything is true.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 16 December 2015 19: 45 New
        +2
        So am I about that. hi I just wanted to express my thoughts in short.
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    2. alex86
      alex86 16 December 2015 20: 02 New
      +2
      Finally, at least someone appreciated it (without touching the essence of the article, which, excuse me, I could not read to the end - even until the middle - diarrhea of ​​words, constipation of thought). In my opinion, graphomania is without a specific position of its own: the feeling of being paid line by line.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 16 December 2015 21: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        porridge, not an article. "Horses mixed in a bunch, people"

        Quote: alex86
        Finally, at least someone appreciated (without touching the essence of the article, which, excuse me, I could not read to the end - even until the middle -

        Quote: article
        In this style, there are three types of socially active individuals:
        - illiterate marginals, with a reserve of a hundred words and resentment to the whole world for the fact that society underestimated them;
        - “saviors of the world”, having read one book, one article or having learned one thesis and having decided that they possess the innermost knowledge that they are now trying to convey to all “lost humanity”

        The article is caustic, but instructive and besogonsky, many peered into it like a mirror))) and the Unified State Examination is apparently guilty of the fact that the articles are unreadable to the end)))
        1. alex86
          alex86 18 December 2015 08: 03 New
          0
          Quote: SPACE
          Unified State Exam seems to be to blame for the fact that articles
          written so that diarrhea of ​​words and constipation of thought is the basis of the narrative
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  • avva2012
    avva2012 16 December 2015 19: 27 New
    0
    Why doubloons, not provocateurs?
    Of course, the name doesn’t matter, the article is correct. Analysis by the author. It remains for the reader to do the synthesis.
  • onix757
    onix757 16 December 2015 19: 30 New
    -6
    Between Moscow and Washington, a war is being waged by someone else’s hands, on someone else’s territory and, mainly, at someone else’s expense.

    More precisely, this is a war of a boa constrictor with a rabbit. The Americans are fighting with us for our money and on our land. This is our liberal vertical. It thinks that in the geopolitical layout it is on the same plane with America, but the reality is worse, somewhere at the foot of the pyramid.
    1. onix757
      onix757 16 December 2015 19: 32 New
      0
      PS where is my flag of the USSR?!?!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 December 2015 19: 43 New
        0
        The USSR flag now needs to be earned - Lafa is over.
        1. onix757
          onix757 16 December 2015 19: 45 New
          0
          ??? explain .. what and from whom should I deserve?
          1. cap
            cap 16 December 2015 20: 01 New
            0
            Vadim Smirnov, write from your personal account. I wrote the reason and changed. Look for the article on the flag on the Home page hi
            1. onix757
              onix757 16 December 2015 20: 11 New
              0
              write from your personal account

              I wrote and nothing
          2. Strezhevchanin
            Strezhevchanin 16 December 2015 20: 01 New
            0
            Quote: onix757
            ??? explain .. what and from whom should I deserve?

            Nothing, a glitch on the site, some Profile settings disappeared.
          3. Sober
            Sober 16 December 2015 20: 20 New
            0
            I don’t get it either. Where is the red flag?
            And the article is correct. A lot of such commentators.
        2. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 16 December 2015 19: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          The USSR flag now needs to be earned - Lafa is over.

          I have a vaapche pin.dosovsky, and somehow do not care. Tomsk is Siberia !!!
          1. onix757
            onix757 16 December 2015 19: 54 New
            -1
            This is similar to the new de-communization of the country through the dictatorship of capital. A completely empty measure to influence public opinion.
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 16 December 2015 19: 53 New
      0
      Quote: onix757
      More precisely, this is a war of a boa with a rabbit. The Americans are fighting with us for our money and on our land.

      All B.V. was supplied with the American VPK, and now? And now the ini stand and softly crumble the rolls aside waiting for a convenient moment, but it will not come, the imagination has almost run out.
      1. onix757
        onix757 16 December 2015 20: 03 New
        +1
        It’s true that they are waiting ... they are waiting for us to leave from there and they are reasonably waiting. Well, there’s nothing to say about the perimeter of our border, here they don’t need to do anything, just wait.
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  • cergey51046
    cergey51046 16 December 2015 19: 36 New
    -4
    The Russian government plans to introduce a subscription fee for power supply. Get ready gentlemen.
    1. Sober
      Sober 16 December 2015 20: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: cergey51046
      Get ready gentlemen.

      I remember how my mother said all her life how we will live ?. They lived hard, but they lived!
      Now, I remember reading, when the crisis began, one billionaire lost 20 million! This is the problem. Shot himself, poor.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 17 December 2015 00: 00 New
      10
      Quote: cergey51046
      The Russian government plans to introduce a monthly fee

      Is there anything to comment on the topic of the article? Or do you not read the article and only breed srach on branches?
  • am808s
    am808s 16 December 2015 19: 39 New
    +1
    Previously, they were not called "doubloons" but instigators. In the Patriotic War, they were provocateurs.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 December 2015 19: 39 New
    +2
    something like

    Don Doubloon
  • onix757
    onix757 16 December 2015 19: 40 New
    +1
    On the other hand, the operation against Ukraine could take from several days to two weeks, but the worst thing would come after the victory, when Russia would have to urgently take on the maintenance of 40 million

    This is true, our government is a burden to its people, not to mention the skilled labor resources of the Slavic appearance. Industry also began to oppress its own long ago, and therefore it has been steadily shrinking, but there’s nothing to say about the market .. for the Russian Federation, all world markets are open without Ukraine. Che us southerly mash, antennas, dawn of the mashproject, motor sich and Nikolaev tricks, we are building our own capitalism here)
  • WERSTA.
    WERSTA. 16 December 2015 19: 41 New
    +2
    "I believe that humanity, duty and justice are the trunk of military affairs, and cunning and strength are branches. If you combine and properly apply the main and secondary, then there will be no enemies. Therefore, the ruler should proceed from the main, the commander is from the secondary "(Strengthening Army Plan. Qian Bin Tse)" The Art of Conquest "
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 16 December 2015 19: 42 New
    -2
    There will be no indexation of military pensions from January 1, 2016 (Law No. 367-FZ suspended until January 1, 2017 the effect of the second part of Article 43 of the Law of the Russian Federation dated February 12, 1993 No. 4468-I "On the pension provision of persons who have performed military service ..." )

    Starting February 1, 2016, military pensions will be indexed by 3,99% due to an increase in cash allowance, taken into account when calculating a military pension from 66,78% to 69,45% (2,67%). That is, military pensions are simultaneously indexed by the same amount as civil pensions.

    The second insurance pensions of military pensioners who continue to officially work in civilian life after military service will not be indexed. Also, about 14 million working civilian pensioners will not be indexed. And now this norm is permanent, not temporary.

    The possibility of additional (second) indexation of military and civil pensions remains. The solution to this issue was postponed to the second half of 2016, when the results of Russia's economic development in the first half of the year will become clear.

    Military retirees still have one more trump card for hope for a second indexation of pensions in 2016. This is Presidential Decree N 604 of May 7, 2012, which determines the indexation of military pensions to a level no lower than the budgeted inflation (6,4%) plus 2% (total in accordance with Decree N 604 in 2016, the indexation of military pensions should be at least 8,4%). The government (the Ministry of Finance) is actively engaged in the abolition of the relevant clause of the decree of the President, but so far the results of this struggle are not known. It is hoped that, as in 2015, the President will not succumb to pressure from the Government and will not cancel the most important point for his military pensioners in his May decree.

    Of course, nothing is impossible for the authorities, if in the State Duma the majority of deputies are from United Russia. No one canceled the administrative resource. Even with the slightest doubt that he will have unambiguous success in the elections to the State Duma on September 18, 2016, the government will make a decision and, no later than September 1, will index all pensions for the second time. And then tens of millions of pensioners of our country will go together to vote for "their breadwinners."

    It is a pity that the State Duma elections are only once every four years.



    The verdict is final, the guarantor signed.
    So tighten the belt gentlemen retirees (unless of course there are holes for tightening, but if not ...)
    1. cap
      cap 16 December 2015 20: 10 New
      +1
      This is young.
      Starting January 1, 2015, a new procedure for the formation of citizens' pension rights has been in effect in Russia, according to which each year of a citizen’s labor activity is now evaluated by the corresponding annual pension score, or coefficient.

      Under the new rules for calculating pensions, a number of socially significant periods of a person’s life, such as military service in the army, for which citizens are assigned special annual coefficients, are also counted in seniority.

      For each year of service in the Russian army, draftees will receive an additional bonus pension coefficient of 1,8 points.

      The cost of the pension coefficient is determined annually by the Government of the Russian Federation and will be counted in total upon retirement.
      On the second pension to those who received it from January 1, 2016. increase to 2 thousand rubles. Putin signed the decree. Look for decrees on the site. hi
      The civilians were divided by 4% in February instead of 12, the rest according to the results of the second half of the year when it was not said. Employees generally do not recalculate after retiring. The tail in parts is not painful.
      And someone will not hold out.
      "-And I'm not an endocrinologist at all ....
      - Here is another place ... laughing
    2. bannik
      bannik 16 December 2015 20: 16 New
      0
      Once in FIVE years!
  • zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 16 December 2015 19: 43 New
    +2
    For me, the article is clear and correct, I agree with the opinion of the author.
    I am against any war, but if anyone goes to us, then he must be defeated, and then must be sterilized without fail. winked
  • newcomer
    newcomer 16 December 2015 19: 50 New
    +6
    I agree with the author. everything is just like a white day. solely on my own. communicating with the Ukrainians was surprised that when they separately criticize the authorities and want to join the Russian Federation. when they on the heap to the blue prove that it is necessary to support the course of the president in this difficult time. such an incident.
  • 1536
    1536 16 December 2015 19: 50 New
    +1
    That's right. And that was known. Therefore, for example, I consider what is happening today, if not planned in detail, then certainly developed back in the time of the so-called "perestroika" of the new concept of the World, where convergence is replaced by a quick outcome by unleashing a war against us. Our strength is in the unity of the country. The US ambassador is firing at her, according to its individual components, and all this pretty old-fashioned perestroika trash, which still influences decision-making. And any conclusions can be made, because the story is that drawbar - where it turned, it turned out there.
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 16 December 2015 19: 53 New
    +1
    Not the topic:
    Where is the article with spiteful comments about how Georgians and Armenians had a fight in Russian in Ukraine?
    1. Condor-a
      Condor-a 17 December 2015 01: 49 New
      0
      And why are there so few advantages? laughing
  • s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 16 December 2015 19: 55 New
    +5
    And doubloons voluntarily or involuntarily, but not disinterestedly, these emotions are fueled by their defeatist propaganda (designed to achieve a change of control of chaos in the framework of hybrid Minsk, to plunge into chaos in conditions of immersion in several direct military conflicts) and attempts to undermine people's confidence in the authorities, to ask later the government has budgets to restore this very trust. Author Rostislav Ishchenko
    Well done Ishchenko. He showed who is who. And how to avoid disaster. Smart, knowledgeable author. But we, it seems to me, as a last resort, most of them are not “suckers” on the chaff.
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  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 16 December 2015 19: 57 New
    +4
    They won’t let us just live in peace, they’ll climb, provoke, watered with bags of slop, if only we would be worse. But here Ishchenko is right: "Every day won by the formal world is increasingly shifting the balance in our favor." Is the mouth wide open? Do not choke, baboons?
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 16 December 2015 20: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: iliitch
      Do not choke, baboons?

      Need help, then choke.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 16 December 2015 21: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        Need help, then choke.


        It is superfluous if they choke. It seems to me that in this case, without competitors, in about 200 years, we will become the same KAZZLAM as America. We must squeeze them quietly, the bar on international relations has been raised, and we must keep it. Here I support Putin. Let all kinds of messages blink like Poland and Turkey, a caravan of history is coming. There will be more visible to descendants.
    2. Bepdukt
      Bepdukt 16 December 2015 22: 55 New
      +1
      Igouists recognized Babooninich as their great caliph - burned!
  • lexx2038
    lexx2038 16 December 2015 19: 58 New
    -2
    In short, maybe I didn’t understand what, but at least you’ll write in your comment, you are either a clone, or a doubloon, or an ordinary one. And if you said nothing, Duc finally ...
  • MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 16 December 2015 20: 01 New
    +8
    Well, it all started .... laughing Inet explosion is coming! bully
  • prawdawsegda
    prawdawsegda 16 December 2015 20: 02 New
    0
    May God give us peace, prosperity and power! .......... Or maybe we’ll immediately hit the mattresses !?
  • TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 16 December 2015 20: 07 New
    +3
    roll out of my country --- Armenin said to a Georgian in Ukraine laughing
  • Awaz
    Awaz 16 December 2015 20: 12 New
    +3
    Unfortunately, chaos in the country is not paid trolls, but many of those who sit in the Duma or in the government or simply have a lot of money, at one time successfully attached to the feeder. Here it was rightly noted above that pensions cease to be indexed. In the normal liberal economy that our rulers are building, the authorities primarily stimulate the population to spend money and the more people resist, the more they stimulate it. We have the opposite: as soon as the population is a little fat, they immediately begin to cut and degrease it, and in the most crooked way, leading to absurdity and depriving the country of working capital and forcing people to buy foreign currency, which inexorably stimulates foreign states, often hostile to us tuned. For this they are doing us nasty things with our money.
    And about the war if ... Then you need to solve the problems by peaceful negotiations and incentives. If anyone wants war, then I think there are plenty of places where blood is shed. Gathered, moved there and try to survive there for at least a month ... And then we'll talk.
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 16 December 2015 20: 12 New
    +2
    The author distorts the facts somewhat. Serious about the war with Turkey, the question was not even raised and it is unlikely to stand if it itself does not go to aggressive actions. But it doesn't look like that. So the likelihood of such a war is no greater than the confrontation with the United States. And far-reaching conclusions should not be drawn from this. The land army of Turkey is not inferior in size to our land army, and if it mobilizes, it will surpass it three times. She is not sensitive to losses, which can not be said about our army. Our demographic situation is not to leave hundreds of thousands of our soldiers on the fields of Turkey. Here or the use of tactical vigorous weapons or nothing. It’s necessary not to bring the matter to war, and most people here understand this. About silent "patriots" I am silent. There are few of them.
    With Ukraine, another question. Here, if gentlemen trample, they will most likely remain outside the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
    And we should not forget that in fact it is not a war, but a conflict on the border. And in Syria we are not at war. 70 combat aircraft is not the amount to speak of serious hostilities. This is so ... friendly help. So a serious war is still far away. Although the situation is such that everything can change in a couple of days. That's just which way no one knows.
    1. Condor-a
      Condor-a 17 December 2015 02: 24 New
      +1
      And in order to put it in its place and avenge the like in a similar (and visible way) does it really require declaring war on it?
      Chinese will surpass how many times.
      How are you going to apply it if Turkey simply enters Syria? With or without the consent of the Syrian government? All over NATO or not? Of course, instead of moving the board, you can continue to take the finuses in ... or so walk with one. One thing is not “upsetting” that because of the archduke and his countess, the answer (though not the one) did not arrive immediately either, but only after a month. And because of the four A-6s shot down by Libya for the “line of something there,” the United States also did not immediately rush to take revenge. By the way, one of the states of this country, which is included in this block, is much closer to Russia than Turkmenistan, so you can start or continue to take revenge in a visible way right from there.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 17 December 2015 05: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: indifferent
      The author distorts the facts somewhat. Serious about the war with Turkey, the question was not even raised and is unlikely to stand if she herself does not go to aggressive actions

      The author does not distort the facts. He says that it is very difficult (but necessary) to stay on the verge between war and peace, although you are being pushed to this not only from the outside, but also from the inside. In 1941, it did not work out. Now the situation is somewhat similar. In general, that is the correct article. If a little more emotional than necessary - it’s so boiling!
  • Koshak
    Koshak 16 December 2015 20: 20 New
    -1
    “Another consequence of the economic crisis was the abolition of indexation of pensions for working retirees in 2016. A falling economy leads to a reduction in budget revenues, which forces a reduction in spending. Earlier, the government decided to increase insurance pensions by 4%, which is three times less than forecast inflation for 2015 .... More: http://2016-god.com/budet-li-otmena-pensii-rabotayushhim-pensioneram-v-2016-godu
    /
    And this news to which category to carry? negative
  • Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 16 December 2015 20: 21 New
    0
    A group of Daesh militants declared Barack Obama his caliph.)))
  • Lysik001
    Lysik001 16 December 2015 20: 35 New
    +3
    I love this author very much and always read with pleasure. This article is about me. Apparently I'm a doubloon. Well, what do you do. Not everyone should be Seekers, someone should be a doubloon. I, quite sincerely, like most people, respond to injustice. And when Donetsk was killed daily, I was mildly unpleasant to look at it. And I scolded the GDP for the fact that he can’t stop it. And who else should I scold? Residents of Donetsk, that after the Crimea they believed him and we left them ?! When our plane was shot down, the pain from the death of another plane did not pass yet and I suffered. I demanded a tough answer! I guess I'm wrong. I probably do not understand the intricacies of hybrid warfare. But I certainly didn’t write all this for money or for the sale of my homeland. And further. The Internet for many people, including a means of communication. Yes, swearing, yes insults and no matter what in communication comes the truth. And the truth is always somewhere in the middle of people's opinions. And if in our country they’re looking at comments, it’s not bad for those in power. And ordinary people are ALWAYS smarter than all strategists combined. Thanks to the author for his article.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 16 December 2015 20: 36 New
    -6
    The article put a minus for rudeness and labeling. Anyone who does not agree with the “line of the party and the government, or the“ illiterate marginals, ”or“ who have read one book, ”or the“ scum ordinary, ”wholesale,“ the fifth, sixth, seventh ... columns. ”
    And the author, the bearer of truth, the “guru”, is literate, and even read two books, and not the “ordinary ...”.
    I wonder how the author relates at least to the latest news, the sale of the remnants of the “national treasure” —privatization of a 19,5% stake in Rosneft in 2016? Applauds? No, probably, these are trifles, the main thing is global, collective ...!
    PS I admire! In the article you can write "pod .. ok", but, in the commentary, this wonderful definition disappears, even in quotation marks. I had to put three points.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 16 December 2015 20: 46 New
    +3
    The author is right. Article plus. No wonder they say ... politics is a delicate matter ... and rarely anyone can figure it out even having a lot of information.
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 16 December 2015 20: 55 New
    0
    Ishchenko, as always logical, is interesting, but, in my opinion, the trouble will come not from our “doubloons,” but from the model of our government’s economy, built on the basis of IMF patterns. Under the conditions of sanctions and low oil prices, it has proved its inefficiency and is leading the country into stagnation at best. Expensive credit can only accelerate inflation, because the company will invest its value in the price of its product. It is also incomprehensible that the government tolerates currency speculators who do not invest their savings in the shares of enterprises, but receive profits by weakening certain currencies. Figuratively speaking, our leadership puts money on the throne, although money is only an instrument of nothing more.
  • tokens2
    tokens2 16 December 2015 20: 56 New
    0
    Of course I respect the author of Rostislav Ishchenko.
    Article +
    But
    passing from the adoration of fascists to radical anti-fascism (so radical that it is no different from fascism and serves only to compromise the anti-fascist movement), from supporting the liberal white-tape movement, to terry monarchism,

    Unfortunately, a person without ideas is a radical consumer. laughing
    That in a crisis ... sorry worse than a rat, which eats everything and does not choke.
    Radical anti-fascism? Is it something with something?
    terry monarchism? and there is one?
    Yes ...
    Mr. Ishchenko discovered directly the periodic system of doubloons.
    Uh. Sorry elements laughing
  • corn
    corn 16 December 2015 20: 56 New
    +1
    In my eyes, Ishchenko begins to lose some of the respect for some methods of presenting his opinion. Far from stupid, but not always decent. In the first part of his opus, he spoke very unflatteringly about everyone who has the "audacity" to comment on something. Then he called the “doubloons” “a significant part of website visitors who adhere to more drastic measures against our“ partners "(Turkey, Ukraine). The rest of the article is logical and sound. It is better to have it in Russia, pay him money, and he will go" People "on the ears.
  • Bjorn
    Bjorn 16 December 2015 20: 59 New
    +5
    Here I read about marginals ...
    And you know, after all, Russians in Estonia simply took us and at once made everyone marginalized. So not a little embarrassed openly and branded. With a third of the Russian population in the country, Russian politics was strangled and leaders and popular movements, such as Night Watch, were simply called marginalized. From now on, those who are in the Estonian parties who are stronger than Estonians that the Russians themselves should strive to naturalize, pass exams and take the oath of allegiance to Estonia are no longer marginalized among us. And the rest are marginalized. And reports are sent to Europe - apart from certain marginals, the Russian-speaking population as a whole is happily integrating into Estonian society.
    And we are not allowed to earn money here either. The whole more or less profitable business is in the hands of Estonians. And it’s impossible to go abroad as ordinary Estonians, because they handed us wolf tickets, called passports of foreigners, in which instead of citizenship there are three X's. And in order to get a normal Eurosport, you need to bend in front of the estoha, go through all their integration.
    The only thing we can do is plow here at enterprises for 500 euros.
    I’m why this is all now ... Please be careful author, branding marginals, you can get into ordinary people who are not indifferent to the fate of the Russian World.
  • KBR109
    KBR109 16 December 2015 21: 10 New
    +3
    About scum, chaos and plans ... and logs in our own eyes ... About the birds of the Seagulls we have a taboo topic, it seems like it has become. They don’t even want to investigate - they’re afraid. Of course, I can’t say that this person is guilty or otherwise messed up, but - a blank black wall. Where is the information that launched the investigation? Another untouchable? Sadly ... I recall the case of prosecutors and the gaming business safely collapsed. Here the stakes are much higher.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 16 December 2015 21: 32 New
      +1
      Oh my unknown opponent! Well, so silently - tell me what a bastard and an unpatriotic person I am, explain that there are topics that should not be addressed, etc. love
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 16 December 2015 21: 49 New
      0
      Where are the documents on which the oral assumptions build, draws schemes? Let present. As for Browder, this companion, a relative of one of the former leaders of the U.S. Communist Party, is directly related to the theft of 3 lards from the IMF in the late 90s for a pair with birch. Remember ebn before reporters: well, yes, 800 llamas have come, where are the rest? Will seek. The French banker through whom the deal went was suddenly worried. After the visit of the birch, the banker and his family burned out in the bunker of his house with bulletproof glass.
      Let's wait until the battle between the toad clan and the viper clan ends. wink
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 16 December 2015 22: 05 New
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        This is all, dear, and the investigation should bring out. So that there are no whispers in the corners and kitchens. Otherwise, engaged journalists will sign us all in their colors. And dismissal during the investigation would be welcome. And a lawsuit about libel after. Here's something like that.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 17 December 2015 19: 31 New
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        And in vain they minus what do not like? About the documents? Where are the documents, that the daughter of Shoigu was in possession of a mansion in rubles, and where are the documents, that she lost what she never had.
        Let the oral present and prove. in general, it seems that oral is like a drain (you know what I mean) that is used in the public, it’s clear what kind of institution is for money. merging all dirt and dregs. Remember, Tufft, when he arrived in Moscow when asked by journalists, stated that the Germans and Navalny would soon come in handy. the Germans did not understand, understood Navalny. He quickly escaped to the subway, scammed into the lungs and safely hid himself for a week in the police department. But Nemtsov did not understand, he went for a walk on the bridge. bully
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 16 December 2015 22: 15 New
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    Only emotions can prevent this - the same as those that destroyed the Russian rear in 1905 and in 1917.

    It is unfortunate that fashion puts the blame for the collapse of Russia on the revolutionaries ...
    Imagine fantasy.
    The revolutionaries from Russia disappeared in 1904.
    Russia was defeated in 1905 by the Japanese.
    In 1918, the Germans were in Ukraine and the Baltic states, holding the floor of Belarus ... And we are fighting until victory ...
    World.
    Russia is in debt for military assistance.
    And the authorities are the same traitors and corrupt officials that brought Russia to the shame of Port Arthur, Tsushima and Mukden.

    It’s scary to think.

    The historical role of any revolutionaries is to sweep away a very bad government, so bad that a handful of violent and courageous ruins the entire state machine.
    And then, these frisky and reckless pose super tasks, they themselves are undermined by these tasks, a new but more intelligent steady state is gradually coming in society.

    But if the country is not being reformed by its revolutionaries, but by external "friends", then "Ukraine" sets in.
    And this, as we already understand, is a complete penny ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 17 December 2015 12: 24 New
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      "The historical role of any revolutionaries is to sweep away a very bad government, so bad that a handful of wild and courageous destroying the entire state machine. "
      Violent and courageous every day you need to eat and drink. Where are the cookies from? Like a hundred years ago, the oral one is powered by Soros (Trotsky is an agent of influence of a large Naglosak financial group, whose representative ambassador to England in Russia had a relative to the general in the royal general staff.
      Sverdlov (why not Ponomarev?) Had a brother banker since 1916 in New York. Yasha died and the bank was covered, which was in the safe of Yasha everyone knows (by the way, according to unconfirmed rumors on the Internet, Nemtsov is on one line a relative of Sverdlov, on the other, an ebn wife). I don’t want to clog the air with parallels, remember how a few years ago there was a story about the visit of Madame Alekseeva and Kasyanov to the FSA.
      Madame told congressmen: human rights activities cannot exist in Russia without your help. And you say "a handful of the brave ..." laughing
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 17 December 2015 19: 47 New
        -1
        Quote: Balu
        Madame said ...

        I understand what you wrote ...
        But it is humiliating to think that PEOPLE can be bought for cookies.
        ... and stupid.
        People accumulate an emotional attitude towards reality.
        This process can be a long one, it can coincide with conversations of anyone with anyone, and even the thoughts of a beggar can be confused with the thoughts of a general or a doctor.

        But history is an objective science of social processes.
        This is OUR TRUTH and OUR RESCUE.

        This is me about the Russian people, who have been working hard for more than 1000 years and are laying down their lives for their homeland.
        My direct ancestors did not participate in the Revolution, my great-grandfather even forbade everyone to go out when there were revolutionary events.
        But those who came out had their own reasons, each their own.
        And the revolution did its job.
        In a very short period from 1917 until about 1932 there was a restructuring of rural and urban life.
        The methods used were terrible (for some) and accessible in the mind (for performers), but the result was achieved.
        If in the First World War we lagged behind all types of weapons, maybe with the exception of certain types of artillery systems, then by the end of the 1930s we became one of the most advanced countries in the world.
        And the listed revolutionaries had a hand in this ...
        As for the venality of the revolutionaries: do not repeat other people's nonsense ...
        Who just didn’t look for CPSU gold, and where is it?
        So the rest of the libel ...
        They are composed by those who finally want to ruin our Great Homeland.
        They suggest that our people are composed of idiots who are not able to figure out where the truth is. and where lies, what is good and what is terrible ...

        Do not humiliate the RUSSIAN people - if the revolution swept away tsarism, then rightly so.
        And then after all, the next thought that the USSR was ruined from Fashington, from now ... it's scary to think ...

        But the "Caliber" hit exactly ... and the "sharp-witted", built by the Communists like the other large ships of the fleet, honestly serves the motherland.

        But to discuss what the woman said I see no reason.
        As for Ukraine ... this is our eternal misfortune.
        We were ashamed to poke ukrov in history.
        In Soviet times, it seemed that the bad in people could be re-educated.
        It did not work to deceive Nature ...
        Ukrainians are far from the first time to betray the Russians ...
        But the time will come and the battered and hungry will again ask for Russia.
        Now it can be already together with the entire Balkan Peninsula ...
        1. vassa
          vassa 20 December 2015 20: 06 New
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          "The methods used were terrible (for some) and reasonably accessible (for performers), but the result was achieved."

          We are reaping the result of figures now in full measure ...
  • _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 16 December 2015 22: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    In general, according to Ishchenko’s article, as always, on top!

    I agree with you, the article is very informative. The author conducted the analysis, put everything on the shelves.

    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    The only thing I can add is that we are afraid not so much of the liberals and the fifth column, but of the local governor-kings, who shit on the ground in such a way that the USA could not even dream of it! And so at all levels, up to the mayors of tiny cities and towns!

    I suggest that you pay attention to comrades and competent authorities, as all sorts of officials and advisers from the State Department to the regions are frequent, even a “box” often skips a glimpse of infa, then in Yekaterinburg it’s lit up, then in Novosibirsk, I don’t look at the “box” often, but I’m sure in other regional and regional centers one of them was noted.
    There were articles on the network that state deputies learn from mistakes, it didn’t work in the capital, the regions will be badassed.
    So it would be worth the competent authorities from the center to pay closer attention to the activities of both their subordinates in the field and local authorities. In Ukraine, Kiev, also in 14-m% 80-90 regionals, all kinds of Natsik and ultra came in large numbers.
  • Don Cesar
    Don Cesar 16 December 2015 22: 29 New
    +1
    I liked the article, plus I will put it unambiguously. I categorically disagree with the opinion of some members of the forum, but everyone has the right to express their thoughts. wait and see who was right.
  • varov14
    varov14 16 December 2015 22: 33 New
    -1
    The article is normal and timely, it turns out provocations and doubloons did their job. In an information war, all means are good and without provocations of the right people, you won’t shake the right statements. The author is too straightforward, but a person with "subtext".
  • major147
    major147 16 December 2015 22: 42 New
    0
    Quote: KAV
    Of course, GDP is to blame for everything! The censor is already discussing this whole topic:

    One word is NedoGabon!
  • Killj
    Killj 16 December 2015 23: 19 New
    0
    All who are against GDP and "make friends" do not wish to be declared "Bormalei Terorist" well, nothing new ...
  • L10n77
    L10n77 16 December 2015 23: 53 New
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    Quote: onix757
    Well, probably Ishchenko meant that in terms of armaments we are in better condition than before the Second World War!

    and in terms of industry as in May 45th

    if it were like in May 45, we are more likely in industry as in July 1920. when industry was almost destroyed.
  • atamankko
    atamankko 17 December 2015 00: 44 New
    +1
    I accepted the article as 50 to 50, very abstruse.
  • jonht
    jonht 17 December 2015 03: 26 New
    -1
    I have been reading VO for a long time and also there was a need to write respect to the author on this topic. In fact, all that I wanted to write, and even more in this article. It is a pity that after registration you need 10 comments on different articles, so that it would be possible to mark articles.
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 17 December 2015 04: 13 New
    0
    According to the article, I do not agree with the author in everything, as they say - everyone has their own opinion. But the video in the comments amused. These are clowns, not leaders.
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 17 December 2015 05: 23 New
    +1
    Ishchenko- In the era of the dominance of electronic media, almost everyone who writes, reads and comments on the Internet has come across unpleasant people who know best how to bake pies, sew clothes, look after animals and, of course, how to manage the country and solve global problems


    Ishankko belongs to such unpleasant people and is a kind of sweet-voiced, eloquent "guru" endowed with "higher wisdom." But if he used to just lecture, then today he has simply slipped into ordinary rudeness, hanging labels and hysteria - and this is a sure sign that "doubloons, marginals and pods .."asking uncomfortable questions is becoming more and more, and to answer them, in fact, THERE IS NOTHING.. . And already the ishenka themselves are turning into "d ....... in, m ....... in, p ........ in", and even in p ....... . in "too ..... IMHO
  • nimboris
    nimboris 17 December 2015 05: 29 New
    -1
    Rostislav Ishchenko respect and respect. The article makes it clear what is actually happening, otherwise the cries of pseudo-patriots are tired of it.