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Prospects for Zelenodolsk Shipyard

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Prospects for Zelenodolsk Shipyard



Zelenodolsky plant them. GORKY TRANSFERS NEW SHIPS TO THE MILITARY AND IS PREPARING FOR LIFE AFTER THE NOVEMBER'S ORDER

St. Andrew’s flags will be hoisted tomorrow in Sevastopol on small rocket ships “The Green Dol” and “Serpukhov”, built by the A. Gorky. Also this year, the company sends two orders to the Navy and the Coast Guard: the Sviyaga floating dock and the Polar Star patrol ship. About what other warships will leave the Zelenodolsk slipways, about the Western sanctions and new commercial projects "BUSINESS Online" said the general director of JSC "Zelenodolsk plant them. Gorky "(part of JSC" Holding Company "Ak Bars") Renat Mistahov.


Renat Mistahov (c) www.business-gazeta.ru

“THE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE TRUSTED US ...”

- Renat Iskanderovich, today the Gorky plant is one of the most prolific Russian shipyards. How did you achieve such a density of work?

- If we talk about fertility, then we are talking primarily about small rocket ships (MRK) "Buyan-M" and special-purpose boats "Rook". These relatively large series of modern times appeared due to the fact that the missile ships of the 11661 Tatarstan and Dagestan project that we had built earlier had a good reputation. The Ministry of Defense believed us. "Buyanov-M" was planning to build all 5, but today we are already doing 6, 7, 8 and 9 ... The second mass series - Grachata: 7 boats were built, in construction - 8, 9, 10 ... And today, the military once again believed us, concluding a contract with the plant for the maintenance of our ships on the basis of the life cycle, that is, from manufacturing to disposal. This is a new business for the enterprise. At our own expense, we have created a program, opened a service center in Novorossiysk, we are creating the same in the Baltic.

- As far as I remember, "Buyanov-M" should have been more - 12 ...

- Right. The fact is that the Ministry of Defense wanted to build three more ice-class Buyan-Ms. But then this idea was abandoned in favor of another IRA project - the central marine design bureau Almaz. "Buyan-M" was originally built for the Caspian Sea, but with the possibility of seamless transfer from one sea to another. Hence - a small draft, jet propulsion. It has now been decided to build more seaworthy and high-speed RTOs designed for the Baltic, the Black Sea and the North.

- Does the plant claim to release new RTOs?

- They will be built at several shipyards, and the headquarters were laid at the Pella plant in St. Petersburg. We also really want to build these ships. Moreover, the modernization of our enterprise was based on the Federal Target Program, calculated specifically for the construction of RTOs. Today we are the only factory fully ready for the serial construction of such ships.

- Will there be new construction of larger rocket ships, for example, the third pair of “Cheetahs” for Vietnam? And how is the construction of the current Vietnamese order?

- There were some difficulties in the supply of turbines, as they are imported, Ukrainian. But we presented to foreign suppliers a confirmation that Vietnam will be the end user, this is enough to continue the supply. Nevertheless, the dates have shifted somewhat. However, the plant did a great job of changing the construction technology to accelerate it, so there will not be a serious delay. The first ship will be sent for testing in August 2016, the second - in November. Tests, crew training and transfer to the customer will be held on the Black Sea based in Novorossiysk. Vietnam will get "Cheetahs" in 2017 - 2018.

As for the third pair, the Vietnamese side is interested in cooperating with the plant. In addition, evaluating the results of the work of our ships on the Daesh (the Arabic name of the ISIS group banned in the Russian Federation - approx. Ed.), The Vietnamese want to put the Caliber complex on the third pair instead of the Uran missile system. We have experience installing it on the Caspian flagship of the same type with Cheetahs. flotilla Dagestan. Cheetahs with Caliber will become even more serious force in Southeast Asia ... But who will fulfill the order for the third pair is still being discussed. Our factory confirms readiness. And although today we have 21 ships under construction, areas and new equipment allow us to take on new orders.

FROM IMPORT ENGINES - TO CHINESE AND RUSSIAN

- What is the situation with import substitution of MTU engines for Buyanov-M and Grachat?

“Everything is more complicated here.” I had to quickly make changes to the projects in order to install Chinese-made engines. As a result, five "Buyanov-M" we have with diesel engines MTU, and four - with Chinese engines. We will install Chinese engines on Grach starting from the 8 order. The first engine from the People's Republic of China comes in the middle of 2016 of the year, and, I emphasize, the choice in favor of China was not just done: they created a commission, traveled to different countries - potential suppliers, but finally decided that the Chinese one was most suitable for us.

- What engines will be installed on patrol ships of 22100 and 22160 projects instead of Finnish and German diesel engines?

- Kolomna. And the gearbox will put the St. Petersburg plant "Star". Part of the equipment will come at the end of 2016 of the year. Import substitution did not affect the course of construction of orders, and there is no risk that something will not work or will be of poor quality.

- When will we see the head patrol ship of the 22160 project?

- We plan to bring it out of the shop in April-May. This is the first ship in the Russian fleet with container placement of the main armament or equipment, that is, it can be a rocket ship, a lifeguard, and a diver. In general, 22160 are designed to demonstrate the flag of Russia in all seas. At present, two ships have been laid, and there will be six in total in the series: we will deliver the first in 2017, two in 2018, two in 2019, and one in 2020. Plus, the construction of six ice-class 22160 ships is yet to come, but we will begin to actively discuss this in 2016.


The appearance of the patrol ship project 22160 (c) www.business-gazeta.ru

- When will the laying of a pair of patrol ships for the coast guard of the FSB border service take place?

- We are already building a body for one, for the second - certain blocks. They offered the border guards a groundbreaking ceremony on December 20, when the FSB will celebrate their professional holiday.

- Lead ship of the 22100 project - “Polar Star” - will you hand it over to the border guards on time?

- Yes. Now she is on state tests. We plan to deliver the ship before December 30, and the flag on it will be raised in 2016 year. I think after the border guards test the ship, the fleet will also be interested in its capabilities. Autonomy - 70 days, maximum automation: a small crew manages the colossus in 3 thousands of tons of displacement. This ship has no equal and interior decoration. By the way, on the 22160 project, special attention was paid to the crew comfort, which is not very usual for the Navy.

- Almost no exceptional habitat conditions have been promised to the crew of the Sviyaga floating dock, which you launched a year ago. What about him?

- The dock has completed testing and is in Severodvinsk, we are planning to raise the flag on December 17.

- The customer - the main department of deep-sea research of the Ministry of Defense - is pleased, because such vessels have not been built in Russia for a long time?

- Yes, the GUGI is very pleased: the dock arrived in time, because the last such ships built 90, and all of them are functional - more mechanisms for lifting and descending, but not for maintenance. “Sviyaga” is not just a dock, but a floating workshop, that is, now the product can not only be transported, but also repaired, and the conditions for accommodating the crews of the dock itself and the ward ship are very good.

GAS-MOTOR VESSELS: FIRST FOR TATARSTAN, AND THEN ...

- What are the civic themes of the company?

- First of all, this is the construction of two high-speed motor ships of the A145 project. There are no customers for them - we build on credit money. The fact is that we have a unique aluminum workshop with 30 experienced welders. To all this is not lost, it is necessary to ensure the download. And the main shareholder of the plant, the holding company Ak Bars, supported our request. Otherwise, we’ll ruin the workshop, and when real orders appear in 2016 - 2017 (and they will, a message from the President of Russia, who said that the civilian fleet needs to be updated), we must be ready. We hope that А145 will be serially released on the Russian market. Moreover, these vessels have already been tested by the river and the sea - the A145 steam is operated in the Ob Bay.

- What are the nearest plans to modernize the plant?

- For example, we bought two cars for the transportation of integrated blocks: each can take up to 150 tons. The fact is that we are switching to building from enlarged blocks, as is done all over the world. If now only a section is formed in the workshop, which is then transported to the next workshop and assembled there into a block, then in the near future we will assemble the enlarged blocks in one workshop, and then connect them together. Also we go to ensure that these integrated blocks immediately install a piece of equipment. All this is a good acceleration of the construction process - you can not build ships for 30 months! With the new technology and space will be released faster, and profits will increase. After all, by 2019 - 2020 years the state order from the military will inevitably decrease (and today it is 90 percent of our products). By this time, we should be fully prepared for market relations. And this is primarily a civilian direction. In this segment, the main thing for us is high-speed vessels (our horse!) And barges (the share of labor of the plant itself is high). Further the fishing subject is very interesting. Today, Russia needs more 400 of such mining, processing and transport vessels. We offer fishermen different options, are even ready to cooperate on this topic with foreign project bureaus.

- Recently, your plant is increasingly mentioned in connection with the theme of gas-powered vessels. Is it a dream or something real?

- We intend to build for Tatarstan two diesel-powered gas-powered fuel ships and a floating filling station. These are pleasure craft, which upon completion of navigation can be used as coastal hotels.

- Is there a customer?


- Not yet. Interest is shown by republican travel agencies, but state support is needed. And the Ministry of Transport of the Republic of Tatarstan, and the State Committee on Tourism are looking for approaches. In no case can not abandon the idea of ​​transport on gas-engine fuel - this is the future. And it is to those who will be at the forefront of the gas-engine revolution, and the customers will go. In shipbuilding, you have to live, looking at 10 years ahead. If you can’t look into the future, you’ll fail.

Timur Latypov


The second patrol ship of the 22160 project "Dmitry Rogachev" was built at Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky "(c) www.business-gazeta.ru
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  1. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 15 December 2015 14: 19
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    I wonder why this state military order will decrease by 2020, and "inevitably"? Will the Navy be fully re-equipped? Or will world peace come? I doubt both the first and the second.
    The General Director of JSC "Zelenodolsk Plant named after Gorky" knows something! smile
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 15 December 2015 14: 28
      -15 qualifying.
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      I wonder why this state military order will decrease by 2020, and "inevitably"?

      And you do not know about the price of oil ??? And what was the price set when this program was driven ??? It is necessary to walk from the realities of the present day. No money will have to wait with large-scale investments in the defense industry.
      1. Metallurgist
        Metallurgist 15 December 2015 14: 35
        +1
        Well, tell me, fool, HOW should the price of oil and other things affect the country's defense capability?
        And then I don’t understand something ...
        Or are you sure that the dollar will reach the 2020 of the year? Yes you are an optimist, however.
        And the figure in 2020 - let it not bother you.
        Well, and as always, in the end: learn to think for yourself ... you’re tired of chewing everything.
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 December 2015 14: 42
          +2
          We must rely on the rearmament program and the defense industry is able to earn enough money. The price of oil can affect the value of stocks of oil companies, and Russia's military-industrial complex does not depend on it at all.
          1. kapitan92
            kapitan92 15 December 2015 15: 28
            +4
            The military-industrial complex of Russia, unfortunately, depends on imported element base, Western technologies, etc. And this requires "green rubles".
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 15 December 2015 15: 45
              +5
              "And the gearboxes will be supplied by the St. Petersburg plant" Zvezda "

              But not so long ago "Zvezda" supplied the fleet with diesel engines of its own assembly. Everything was destroyed, little remained of the unique workshops ...
              My wife’s father worked there for 50 years. And now, in 75, ready. Extra-class specialist. But only very slowly everything is reborn, but such industry aces leave us one by one. And they still want to benefit their country.
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        3. guzik007
          guzik007 15 December 2015 14: 44
          -7
          Or are you sure that the dollar will reach the 2020 of the year? Yes you are an optimist, however.
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          Oh, maybe we don’t know something.

          Well, and as always, in the end: learn to think for yourself ... you’re tired of chewing everything.

          chew it, please, where are we for the idiots.: =)
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            1. aktanir
              aktanir 15 December 2015 15: 29
              +5
              A good interview, and in general, Tatarstan is an amazing republic. Demonstrates work efficiency in all areas. That's where the research institutes should be located, and cosmodromes to build.
              1. varov14
                varov14 15 December 2015 17: 56
                +1
                Of course, they don’t tear off like neighboring areas, they don’t tear off the last shirt.
        4. Atrix
          Atrix 15 December 2015 14: 50
          -7
          Quote: Metallurg
          Well, tell me, fool, HOW should the price of oil and other things affect the country's defense capability?

          When there is no money in the country and no loans (due to sanctions) then oh how else it affects.
          Quote: Metallurg
          Or are you sure that the dollar will reach the 2020 of the year? Yes you are an optimist, however.

          I hear about the collapse of the United States since 1991, and about the collapse of the dollar for 15. I also remember here two years ago they wrote that tomorrow is the khan of the dollar. And then the course was 1 $ -28rub. and now 67 rubles.
          Quote: Metallurg
          Well, and as always, in the end: learn to think for yourself ... you’re tired of chewing everything.

          It’s already you tired of chewing that history does not teach anything that you need to live within the means that allow. If earlier it was possible to spend billions on the defense industry, but now there are no superfluous ones, then you need to cut your Wishlist. And do not cut back on social programs for the defense. Nobody will attack Russia anyway; Russia managed to rearm its Nuclear Forces.
          1. Metallurgist
            Metallurgist 15 December 2015 14: 57
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            You know, I'd rather be walking in sandals, but the nuclear club, than serve in a suit from Versace to some nigger or Clinton.
            And therefore, the defense industry gives an order to industry.
            Yes, and more ...
            After the 1945 year, the state took a loan from the population. Without foreign loans.
            And you, shout further: social network and so on. She is important, I do not argue, but ...
            You don’t want to feed your army voluntarily and with a song, you will feed someone else’s from under the stick and with a groan.
            1. Seaman77
              Seaman77 15 December 2015 15: 24
              +1
              Quote: Metallurg
              You know, I'd rather walk in bast shoes,


              Do you think that our authorities also agree to walk in bast shoes ???

              Forgive rather from hibernation and do not confuse "private sheep with state"!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 15: 45
                0
                Quote: Seaman77

                Do you think that our authorities also agree to walk in bast shoes ???

                Your American won't be for sure.
                1. Seaman77
                  Seaman77 15 December 2015 16: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: Seaman77

                  Do you think that our authorities also agree to walk in bast shoes ???

                  Your American won't be for sure.


                  Especially for people like you, I wrote in my profile - place of residence Hero City Novorossiysk. And the fact that you sculpt the Amer’s flag for me is a question for you and not for me.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 16: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: Seaman77
                    . And the fact that you sculpt the Amer’s flag for me is a question for you and not for me.

                    And what questions to us? Aipi is provided by your provider, and the site only defines it.
                    Something that you can muddle your own, for example, put an aipi of Moscow, like mine, but I'm in the Far East. I can change the city without changing the proxy, but not the country. If I start running on the proxy, then the EU or US flag will come out.
                    Therefore, if you do not use a mobile Internet (the flag can get out hell knows what) then the USA is your current place of residence hi
                    Oh, and then you exit the computer, your program is to replace the flags lol
                    1. Seaman77
                      Seaman77 15 December 2015 16: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      to muddle your own, for example, to put Moscow aipi, like mine, but I'm in the Far East. I can change the city without changing the proxy, but not the country. If I start running on the proxy, then the EU or US flag will come out


                      And I have to push it, run on a proxy, and so on ....

                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Oh, and then you exit the computer, your program is to replace the flags


                      Do not guess. I go out of the tablet via wi-fi. And I have no prog to change the flag.
                2. dmi.pris
                  dmi.pris 15 December 2015 22: 28
                  +1
                  So ours, Russian, doesn’t even agree to glamorous bast shoes ..
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: Seaman77

                  Do you think that our authorities also agree to walk in bast shoes ???

                  Your American won't be for sure.
        5. kapitan92
          kapitan92 15 December 2015 15: 25
          +5
          The dollar will reach, but at what rate the native ruble will go it is not clear.
          Import substitution is frustrated, there is no program, no one is responsible for anything. Chatter is pouring!
        6. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 15: 37
          +1
          Quote: Metallurg
          Well, tell me, fool, HOW should the price of oil and other things affect the country's defense capability?

          Budget revenues are reduced or is it difficult for you to understand?
          Quote: Metallurg
          Or are you sure that the dollar will reach the 2020 of the year? Yes you are an optimist, however.

          Well, of course, right with the onset of 2016 and grunts.
          Quote: Metallurg
          Well, and as always, in the end: learn to think for yourself ... you’re tired of chewing everything.

          Yeah.
          1. Metallurgist
            Metallurgist 15 December 2015 15: 51
            -6
            Hmm ... really ...
            Arithmetic is a complex science ...
            A barrel costs 100 bucks (if you like this currency so much) at a dollar price of 30 rubles.
            With a simple mathematical action we get 300 x 10 = 3000 rubles ...

            Oil costs 35 bucks at a price of bucks 60 rubles total we have 2100 rubles ...
            Difference 900 rubles ...

            We’ll lower another buck, which we actually see.

            I won’t paint further, try to think it out yourself.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 16: 07
              +4
              Quote: Metallurg
              We’ll lower another buck, which we actually see.

              And so they lowered the dollar, not the ruble, yes. Well, excuse me, but you are from some country?
              1. Metallurgist
                Metallurgist 15 December 2015 16: 23
                -3
                From Honduras, if you are hard pressed to determine by IP ...
                I already looked, you understand the economy at the same level as an ege graduate.
                And you, as one of the site administrators, probably need to think at least a bit geopolitically.
                Actually, what I want to say ... study economics, in relation to geopolitics, and politics in general.
                And then "we will have love and complete understanding" (c)
                In the meantime, it’s hard for me to speak with you, we speak different languages.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 16: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Metallurg
                  I already looked, you understand the economy at the same level as an ege graduate.

                  Excuse me, did you finish any economic?
                  Quote: Metallurg
                  And to you, as one of the site administrators

                  I am not an admin.
                  Quote: Metallurg
                  . learn economics, in relation to geopolitics, and politics in general.

                  So which university did you graduate from?
                  1. Metallurgist
                    Metallurgist 15 December 2015 16: 54
                    -4
                    Well, sorry that I accidentally "promoted" you to the admin. I didn't know you were unworthy ...
                    I finished MISiS, if that, and got a second education there, in economics, if that.
                    I hope this is enough for you?
                    But the level of your education, for example, I will not even ask. God forbid, what university you call ...
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 17: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Metallurg
                      and got a second education there, in economics, if that.

                      Probably all subjects were well taught?
                      Quote: Metallurg
                      But the level of your education, for example, I will not even ask

                      No towers
            2. alex86
              alex86 15 December 2015 21: 14
              0
              Quote: Metallurg
              Oil costs 35 bucks at a price of 60 bucks, totaling 2100 rubles.

              But only with oil for 39 bucks a dollar costs 70 rubles - and the arithmetic is different. And this is happiness - because it will be 90.
              So while we are lowering the ruble, we’ll lower the dollar - our gut is thin (unfortunately), our GDP is 5 times less than the US, despite the fact that the population is only 2 times less and the States do not sell oil.
              Quote: Metallurg
              I won’t paint further, try to think it out yourself.
        7. Homo
          Homo 15 December 2015 22: 11
          0
          Quote: Metallurg
          Well, tell me, fool, HOW should the price of oil and other things affect the country's defense capability?

          It's very simple. The treasury has lost some of its revenues due to the decline in oil prices. This means that the money for the purchase of what we do not have our own will have to "squeeze" from other budget items (including defense).
      2. Altona
        Altona 15 December 2015 14: 43
        +1
        Quote: Atrix
        And you do not know about the price of oil ??? And what was the price set when this program was driven ??? It is necessary to walk from the realities of the present day. No money will have to wait with large-scale investments in the defense industry.

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        What are you rushing with this oil? Is this your new god or what? Tomorrow the price will drop to a minimum and life should stop or what? That clung to this oil.
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 15 December 2015 14: 50
          -4
          What are you rushing with this oil?
          Well, kanesh! where does the price of oil and floundering rupee? No connection! All liberals are evil slander.: =)
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          2. 79807420129
            79807420129 15 December 2015 15: 22
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            Quote: guzik007
            What are you rushing with this oil?
            Well, kanesh! where does the price of oil and floundering rupee? No connection! All liberals are evil slander.: =)

            Guys, I’ve been wanting to ask for a long time now, if the oil price drops to $ 0, what are you going to die?
          3. Altona
            Altona 15 December 2015 16: 25
            +3
            Quote: guzik007
            Well, kanesh! where does the price of oil and floundering rupee?

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            Americans with Sauds will lower oil prices, and they have such opportunities almost to do so administratively, then what? Death again?
        2. family tree
          family tree 15 December 2015 15: 01
          +2
          Quote: Altona
          What are you rushing with this oil? Is this your new god or what? Tomorrow the price will drop to a minimum and life should stop or what? That clung to this oil.

          In fact, the main supplier of dollars, on which our entire economy was tied what
          Tie the inside into rubles, without being tied to green, what , cruel truth, intermediaries will begin to shoot, but, here, the laws of the market, business, nothing personal request
          1. Altona
            Altona 15 December 2015 15: 34
            0
            Quote: perepilka
            In fact, the main supplier of dollars, on which our entire economy was tied

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            This is understandable, but then I asked other questions ...
            1. family tree
              family tree 15 December 2015 16: 21
              -2
              Quote: Altona
              This is understandable, but then I asked other questions ...

              Well, if at the expense of God, this is how the church stands with us, they gathered around the bells, no, oilmen and gas workers didn’t happen nearby, well. a pipe, typically Ukraine, but neither hot nor cold, from gas, so, firewood, as in the USSR, Arkhangelsk province.
              Cling, well, the 92nd for 39 rubles, with water and additives, have time to change the gas pipeline, although you can buy for plus, minus one hundred km, for 37 rubles, but 60 km, trophy-raid, and in the USSR, it was not better, unless , whatwhat
              Yes, spit, like that, though, all this whore what
              1. Altona
                Altona 15 December 2015 16: 24
                +1
                Quote: perepilka
                Well, if at the expense of God, this is how our church stands

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                Well, if about geography, then China stands behind Khingan. How can he not die without oil, I don’t understand? request
                1. family tree
                  family tree 15 December 2015 19: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Altona
                  Well, if about geography, then China stands behind Khingan. How can he not die without oil, I don’t understand?

                  Well, I didn’t die, well, China, something like that.
                  Did you answer the questions? Al where was he secretive, but I misunderstood, well, stupid techie engineer, what? belay
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 15: 46
          -1
          Quote: Altona
          That clung to this oil.

          And rightly so, we need to print as much money as we need and we will be in chocolate. But we will stop selling oil altogether laughing
          1. Altona
            Altona 15 December 2015 16: 22
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And rightly so, we need to print as much money as we need and we will be in chocolate. But we will stop selling oil altogether

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            Money must be printed in such quantity as is necessary for commodity circulation. The issue of money can be carried out more than the currency mass, but for special projects and control their passage. Third, we have a corrupt and non-targeted part of the budget equal to 10% - Medvedev and Golikova admitted this a long time ago. Fourth, you can hit the currency speculators-small loss. In general, there are reserves in the budget and the potential for reform, you just need to do everything in a targeted manner. Fifth, China didn’t have any gas and oil, but it *** did not die!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 16: 29
              -1
              Quote: Altona
              Money must be printed in such quantity as is necessary for commodity circulation. The issue of money can be carried out more than the currency mass, but for special projects and control their passage

              One question, do you have a higher economic?
              Quote: Altona
              Fifth, China didn’t have any gas and oil, but it *** did not die!

              China does not pay pensioners pensioners at all.
              And again you will write obscenities, get before and automatically ban for a day hi
              1. Altona
                Altona 15 December 2015 16: 44
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And again you will write obscenities, get before and automatically ban for a day

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                Thank you, the word was used as an Internet meme, and that you know better than me. Thank you again for the ban, this means that you have no clear argumentation from the word at all ...
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 16: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Altona
                  . Thank you again for the ban, this means that you have no clear argumentation from the word at all ...

                  It was necessary to slap immediately.
                  So the answer to the question about your education will be?
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 15 December 2015 16: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    It was necessary to slap immediately.
                    So the answer to the question about your education will be?

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                    Do not immediately boil revenge ...
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 17: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Altona
                      Do not immediately boil revenge ...

                      This is not revenge - it is a reaction to excuse.
                      1. Altona
                        Altona 15 December 2015 18: 49
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        This is not revenge - it is a reaction to excuse.

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                        I do not excuse myself from using a word meaning a female dog, the word was used as a metaphor and Internet meme. Personally, I did not scold anyone and swear at anyone. Therefore, your moderating rights in relation to me are used quite formally, however, as in previous times, when you clung to me because of the mention of God. You can cling to it now, in the first comment I referred to God ...
              2. Altona
                Altona 15 December 2015 16: 46
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                One question, do you have a higher economic?

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                The standard course of industrial economics and the course of political economy within 2 semesters of the Soviet institute.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 15 December 2015 17: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Altona

                  The standard course of industrial economics and the course of political economy within 2 semesters of the Soviet institute.

                  And I realized they kicked out
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 15 December 2015 18: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And I realized they kicked out

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                    Why kicked out? They gave a diploma, the course of political economy and economics is given in two semesters, I am a mechanical engineer by training.
            2. family tree
              family tree 15 December 2015 19: 21
              0
              Quote: Altona
              Fourth, you can hit the currency speculators-small loss.

              This is the first, only this one, how to hit the state, and the oath cannot be changed belay what
        4. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 15 December 2015 16: 31
          +2
          Quote: Altona
          What are you rushing with this oil? Is this your new god or what? Tomorrow the price will drop to a minimum and life should stop or what? That clung to this oil.


          Eugene, to our great chagrin, to this very oil, or rather to say, as to the most serious budget revenue, it was not us who clung to, but our liberal economists from the government, who did not bother to leave the raw materials economy for many years. That's why we buy engines abroad, to the detriment of our own manufacturer, although with real financing we are quite capable of producing them in our country.
          Something like this, colleague, I didn’t come up with this and not colleagues from the site. hi
      3. Sergeant Pank
        Sergeant Pank 15 December 2015 20: 20
        0
        The rearmament program before which year is calculated?)
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 15 December 2015 14: 45
      -1
      Damn, that not a year is a new project of the ship, bred raznosortitsu.
      Who the thread will explain to me why it was impossible to make one good project of a missile boat, one project of a corvette to replace the IPC and RTOs and rivet them until they turn blue.
      1. nrex
        nrex 15 December 2015 14: 55
        -2
        Googly a little at first. Maybe questions of this type then do not have to ask.
      2. family tree
        family tree 15 December 2015 15: 09
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        one corvette project to replace the IPC and RTOs and rivet them until they turn blue.

        Any boat becomes obsolete already at the design stage, and even in metal ... request
        1. SPLV
          SPLV 15 December 2015 15: 30
          0
          Quote: perepilka
          Any boat becomes obsolete already at the design stage, and even in metal ...

          That being said, Burke is still being produced.
          1. family tree
            family tree 15 December 2015 15: 41
            0
            Quote: SPLV
            That being said, Burke is still being produced.

            With changes.
            The names should not be judged, keel, frames, lining ...
            filling for weapons, and a new name.
            How many indices did the emche have? T-34, how many modifications?
            "Burke", "Sherman", well, our request
    3. Platonich
      Platonich 15 December 2015 14: 58
      +1
      Young, handsome and smart director! May God give more to those !!!
    4. Trailer
      Trailer 15 December 2015 15: 16
      +1
      Thanks! An extremely interesting article! I wonder how much will be the series for the ships of the "Ocean" project?
    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 15 December 2015 15: 18
      +9
      Good news, happy for the work team.
    6. hartlend
      hartlend 15 December 2015 16: 02
      +2
      The state order will decrease by 2020, because the pace of rearmament will decrease. Now new ships are being built at an accelerated pace to close the gap in key positions. After the 20th year, we will rearm at the normal pace.
    7. Tor5
      Tor5 15 December 2015 16: 25
      0
      He used to be at this factory, very modern and responsive to all new production.
    8. Askin
      Askin 15 December 2015 18: 06
      0
      Well done Tatars!
  2. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 December 2015 14: 19
    +9
    The main thing is not to let some figures ruin this enterprise! More good and different ships for Russia! Glory to Zelenodolsk shipbuilders!
  3. OMEDB
    OMEDB 15 December 2015 14: 20
    +9
    - First of all, this is the construction of two high-speed motor ships of the A145 project. There are no customers for them - we are building on credit money. The fact is that we have a unique aluminum workshop with 30 experienced welders. So that all this does not disappear, it is necessary to ensure the download.


    And because they think in the future winked There are normal people in the country!
  4. Proud.
    Proud. 15 December 2015 14: 22
    +2
    Why - "... will be raised tomorrow" ..? As far as I know, the Andreevskie flags on the "Green Dol" and "Serpukhov" RTOs have already been raised.
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 15 December 2015 15: 17
      0
      Do not be stupid. The original article is almost a week.
      1. Proud.
        Proud. 15 December 2015 17: 19
        0
        What does it mean, “don’t be stupid?” The question is on the merits. If the article is not new, you need to make changes, with notes. And this remark, in your comment, is not for me.
  5. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 15 December 2015 14: 25
    +2
    Good luck, orders and financial well-being of the company! I think that after the shots with "calibers" foreign orders should increase.
  6. Amurets
    Amurets 15 December 2015 14: 30
    +3
    And what is the problem of creating gearboxes and engines? They also produced licensed "Pilstick", M-503, M-504, diesel-gear units M-507. Yes, and the gearbox is apparently produced for aircraft theaters.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 December 2015 14: 39
      +6
      In the characteristics and dimensions. The ship was built under MTU, calculated driving characteristics and hull.

      Which is easier - to put the Chinese MTU with the same characteristics (license) or rebuild the ship under domestic?

      And here the question is precisely in easier and faster. For the series is finite and there will be no additional order. Karakuts will be built in the Baltic Sea (the main one is already being assembled in Pella).

      Well, and so, in general, marine engines for a generation lagged behind the Stars and Kolomna. New ones will be closer to their 20s. By the time Kolomna’s ship’s 50ka can and will be in time, so far only small options, moreover, by 20, Russian Railways bought everything.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 15 December 2015 15: 17
        +1
        Quote: donavi49

        Well, and so, in general, marine engines for a generation lagged behind the Stars and Kolomna. New ones will be closer to their 20s. In Kolomna, the ship’s 50ka just in time for 20 may and will be in time, while only small options,

        And why are these engines behind the generation? If the fuel? I agree. On turbines too. And the rest is a classic. All other processes and laws come from the Carnot cycle and the work processes of Diesel and Otto.
        1. family tree
          family tree 15 December 2015 20: 16
          +1
          Quote: Amurets
          And what are these engines behind the generation behind?

          Metallurgy, heat resistant alloys,
          And there are engines, but they don’t hold temperatures
          And there are alloys, but no orders
          Dear ones, but in a circle, optimization and saving of materiel and resources request
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 16 December 2015 00: 40
            0
            Well, if you buy alloying materials at speculative prices in Brazil, then yes. And close your own mines, otherwise the "Dutch rot" will attack metals. This is the research of the "Great Economist" Kudrin.
  7. alekc75
    alekc75 15 December 2015 14: 33
    +3
    the peasants are doing the right thing, if you don’t look ahead then they can freeze without orders
  8. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 15 December 2015 14: 34
    +3
    Otherwise, we will ruin the workshop, and when real orders appear in 2016 - 2017 (and they will, confirmation of this is the message of the President of Russia, who said that the civilian fleet should be updated), we should be ready.

    A very masterly approach, not at all characteristic of other temporary workers. good

    All this is a good acceleration of the construction process - you cannot build ships for 30 months!

    We at VO are constantly talking about this. smile
  9. ydjin
    ydjin 15 December 2015 14: 37
    +2
    Of course, it’s nice to build ships of the near zone, they are definitely needed! But you need ocean giants! What is the progress with them? And then somehow it's all foggy. Well, Zelenodoltsy continued success! hi
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 15 December 2015 15: 04
      0
      Quote: ydjin
      But you need ocean giants! What is the progress with them?


      And with them there are the same problems - so far there are no domestic diesel engines of sufficient power, and to install nuclear power plants on all ships - so the cost will grow strongly and then you will be tortured to maintain and dispose of them. And the problem number two is with the ocean and large ones - there is not enough infrastructure for their service and maintenance. Look for yourself - our "eagles" - those that were not used - rotted at the wall of the water, and for example, the Americans do not keep their aircraft carriers "at the wall" (and so that museum ships, such as Iowa, which are at the wall, do not rot, they are constantly support and very expensive methods (including electrical corrosion prevention systems), but docks. Therefore, we also need to tighten the infrastructure for large-tonnage workers. And powerful shipyards, where large surface ships were built mainly in Nikolaev, and ours to modernize it is necessary.
      So there are many problems, but with the same approach, as the director outlined in the article (I want to be optimistic) - we will break through))))
  10. family tree
    family tree 15 December 2015 14: 39
    +2
    I’m not getting into the topic, at the old evil partisan who is eucalyptus belay , today 53 years old, along the way, is not enough, of course, but of full age, with which congratulations drinks
  11. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 15 December 2015 14: 40
    +2
    It is good when such an enterprise has a clear plan of work for the near future. It is difficult to add or subtract anything. One thing is interesting: when the Polar Star is handed over to the border service, I would like to look at the interior, otherwise in the last article there was something completely futuristic with a sauna, a swimming pool, mirrors around and snow-white leather on the armchairs.
    If anyone forgot then here:
    http://topwar.ru/74066-storozhevoy-korabl-polyarnaya-zvezda-vyydet-na-ispytaniya
    -v-mae.html
  12. okroshka79
    okroshka79 15 December 2015 14: 42
    +6
    Had to be at this factory. As the city of Zelenodolsk itself is wonderful, the plant is also suitable for it. The monument on the central avenue of the plant was especially impressed - all in patches from holes the armored car of the times of the Great Patriotic War on a pedestal. Indeed, during the war, this plant did not stop for a minute in the production of these modest but formidable hard workers of rivers and lakes on all fronts, where only they could pass.
  13. Anton071
    Anton071 15 December 2015 14: 47
    +1
    Who will not feed his army, will feed someone else's!
  14. kapitan92
    kapitan92 15 December 2015 15: 18
    +4
    It is not clear why stop the series "Buyan" if they have proven themselves well in the navy, especially in combat conditions. A transfer to the Black Sea Fleet is not a good life. The timeframe for the introduction of frigates to the Black Sea Fleet is criminally delayed, and it is too early to talk about the last three (no engines).
    To supplement at least the Caspian flotilla with two Buyans! Or again, do we have no enemies in the Caspian?
  15. lex locis
    lex locis 15 December 2015 15: 32
    0
    Keep it up, countrymen!
    Thank God that "reformers" like Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Serdyukov and K.
    Moreover, indeed, fishing and civilian fleets will really be needed very soon, not all the same to be tackled abroad ....
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 December 2015 15: 35
    +3
    Good factory.
    Prosperity to him and expansion.
    And the fact that they think about civil shipbuilding is doubly pleasant.
    But I think so. that warships he still have to build.
  17. Garis
    Garis 15 December 2015 16: 07
    0
    Well done boys.
  18. Gunther
    Gunther 15 December 2015 17: 26
    0
    ... I had to quickly make changes to the projects in order to install Chinese-made engines. As a result, five Buyanov-Ms with MTU diesels, and four with Chinese engines.

    NPO Saturn completed the first stage of development work on the creation of three offshore gas turbine engines M-90FR, Unit DKVP and M-70FRU reverse. These engines will stand on all Russian warships in the future.
    So, if the Central Bank of Russia, instead of buying Pendoshkan government bonds (bought for 90 billion greens), drops this ballast, following the example of the Chinese who got rid of garbage, from the beginning of the year they removed $ 243 billion from the US debt (16% of total investments) and invests in the development of our enterprises, then Western sanctions can be put.
  19. Captain45
    Captain45 15 December 2015 18: 15
    -1
    Quote: Gunter
    So, if the Central Bank of Russia, instead of buying Pendoshkan government bonds (bought at 90 billion green)

    And you were not interested in what amount during this year the Central Bank of Russia sold these same Pendoshkan government bonds and what was purchased for this amount?
  20. uge.garik
    uge.garik 15 December 2015 19: 09
    0
    ... A plus article, but most importantly - "service of ships according to the life cycle principle" ...
  21. kapitan92
    kapitan92 16 December 2015 00: 16
    +4
    Quote: cniza
    We must rely on the rearmament program and the defense industry is able to earn enough money. The price of oil can affect the value of stocks of oil companies, and Russia's military-industrial complex does not depend on it at all.

    Naivety or non-knowledge of the subject.
    Without looking even in the bushes you can’t get in, you can get scratched. The cost of oil affects the budget of the country, and the defense industry is financed from these funds. I will not repeat about the dependence on imported technologies!
    All "modern" developments - USSR R&D. R&D costs a lot of money, but this is a reserve for the future. It is necessary to bow in the belt to Soviet engineers and designers for the powerful backlog that they left us.
  22. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 17 December 2015 08: 27
    0
    Once again I wish success to the Tatars - People "look beyond the horizon", that is, they look and do everything for a successful future! And not only Zelenodolsk, but also Russia! Unlike Muscovites, Petersburgers or Far Easterners? These "shipbuilders" somehow do not get along with the ships! However, as with the Government and USC? And with the economy as a whole: growth and recovery in Tatarstan, recession and crisis in Russia! and it's not about oil - a ruin in the brain! And in exorbitant greed - everything that is bad can and should be stolen? Until others have stolen! And after us even a flood ?! As if the rulers and top officials are invaders in their own country! A typical psychology of rats is to steal and devour everything or carry it to the offshore holes, where it is warmer and lighter than in "unwashed Russia"! And Zelenodol residents are great - real Russians and patriots of their country !!! Respect and respect for them for their labor feat and valiant work! Glory to Zelenodolsk, glory to Great Russia !!!!!!!