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A sharp Japanese look at the four islands

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A sharp Japanese look at the four islands



This “evergreen” topic has now faded into the background compared with the Syrian and Ukrainian problems, but I nevertheless decided to give examples of opinions “from that side” about those most cherished “northern territories”. We discuss it often and with taste, but what do the people of Japan think about it? I am writing “the people of Japan”, because the translation is from English, and a lot of “gaijin” (foreigners) are hanging on the sacred land of Yamato. But today, in the era of globalization, this is normal and even interesting.

In a great article about the G-20 meeting, the role of a starter in the discussion is caused by two phrases:
"Russia seized Kunashir, Etorofu, Shikotan, and a group of Habomai islets at the end of the war, and disputes over their sovereignty did not allow Tokyo and Moscow to sign a peace treaty."
“Abe and Putin had a frank discussion about how they can resolve the sovereignty dispute over the 4 islands kept by Russia ...”



Approximately as a phrase: “Ukraine began the illegal selection of transit gas” in the Russian Internet edition. This topic is also “eternal”, the argument has changed very little in the few years that I am familiar with it. So get acquainted with the views of the inhabitants of the Land of the Rising Sun. Comments are slightly spelled.

Shibuya Boy: “Russia seized the islands: Kunashir, Etorofu, Shikotan, and the group of Habomai islets at the end of the war.”

It's a lie. Russia seized them after Japan surrendered, i.e. after the war, not at the end of the war.

wtfjapan: "After the war, not at the end of the war."

In any case, Japan was a defeated empire, and the winners demanded their reward. Japan will never get these islands back, except that Russia will be offered something very significant in the political and financial field. Japan can complain until it turns blue: these are the facts, and the Russians have all the aces on their hands.

yamashi @ Shibuya Boy: "This is a lie."

This is actually true. The Soviets captured these islets in battle. You can throw yourshistorical books ”, printed under US control, in a bin.

Kaerimashita: “Give our islands back. In exchange, we can officially accept Putin. ”

smithinjapan: “Abe wanted to arrange Putin’s visit to Japan at the end of the year, but some Japanese officials believe that this might not be a better idea, since Tokyo announced a protest to Moscow every time high-ranking Russian officials, including Prime Minister Medvedev, visited the islands, since July".

Yes, except that it was not the Japanese officials who canceled the visit (this is Putin’s decision), and what Japan expects Abe to travel throughout Europe, saying that everyone should isolate Russia and China. @Shibuya Voy, in fact, you believe in propaganda lies. The war was not over when Russia invaded the islands. I think it was done 6 days before the end of the war. Consequently, “Russia seized the islands at the end of the war” is completely correct. Japan could have capitulated, but the war was not over yet, young man. This Russian islands is simple and understandable.

DieRealityCheck: “Funny. Russians do not respect the treaty, nor does South Korea. ” TheTiger: “It's sad that the territory of weak nations in the post-war world is occupied by others. This also happened to China. Eight nations plundered China. Very similar they did with Japan. ” Shibuya Boy @ yamashi: “You will be surprised, but I read Soviet historical books. There were no battles on or near these islands. All the disputed islands were occupied after the surrender. Japanese troops did not fight. The Soviets admitted that their troops suffered no casualties. As in the Crimea, by the way. It was not a battle. If someone wants to call it a battle, he must admit that the Soviets shot at Japanese soldiers after they surrendered. ” Mizuame: “The biggest chance was after the fall of the Soviet Union. Japan had to make an offer for many billions of dollars to create factories, in exchange for the return of four islands. Yeltsin would not resist. " shimosueyoshi: “And not the 10 anniversary of“ postponing ”anymore? (Putin’s visit to Japan) Either review the issue of Crimea, or enter sanctions at the European level. If Abe wants some kind of semblance of peace / the end of a territorial dispute, he cannot continue to go “middle course”. sf2k: “I understand this - people on the islands speak Russian and have nothing to do with Japan. This seems like meaningless exercise. ” Cristofer Glen: “The maximum that Japan will get is two islands. Japan must remember that it attacked Russia without declaring war on 1904. ” Jay Wilson: "Japan should not invite Russian barbarians to Tokyo until the issue is resolved."



DieRealityCheck: “There was no such rule in 1904 - declare war. The rule was discussed and codified in 1907 (The Hague). ” ThePBot: “Japan must consider herself lucky. After the war, she was not forced to return all the stolen territories (Senkaku). ” Pukey2: “But Japan did not ask for permission when it captured Hokkaido and beyond the lands of the Ainu people. And Okinawa from its natives. " paradox: "Putin is not Obama, he will not do anything that would put Russia in jeopardy, and the return of the islands definitely increases the risks for Russia." Shibuya Boy: “Why would Japan not forget about the past?”

There are four reasons:
a) fishing - there are many natural resources (mainly seafood);
b) US pressure. If it were not for the intervention of the United States, Japan and the USSR would settle everything in 1956;
c) political ambitions. Politicians in Japan earn political capital by promising / trying to get the islands back;
d) all this together.
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  1. Dr. Lecturer
    Dr. Lecturer 16 December 2015 06: 00 New
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    Receive. From a dead donkey ears.
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    2. Kostyar
      Kostyar 16 December 2015 06: 22 New
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      Let the cap be sniffed! It's time to forget about the islands, this is the territory of Russia, and the point !!!
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut 16 December 2015 09: 02 New
        +4
        “The biggest chance was after the fall of the Soviet Union. Japan had to make an offer of many billions of dollars for the creation of factories, in exchange for the return of the four islands. Yeltsin would not have resisted. ”

        What is true is true, they could persuade Yolkin’s son to donate the islands. Not for a fake of course, but for loans. By narrow-eyed greedy, decided to save. And now hell, the islands have sailed, wave them with a pen.
        1. solovald
          solovald 16 December 2015 10: 21 New
          +1
          Actually, there was information on the internet (I don’t know how true it is) that the EBN, during the time of default, offered Japan to return two islands for not very big money. However, the Japanese were greedy, they say the Russians after the collapse of the Union, and so they will give all 4 for free, so now ... a paw.
      2. edge
        edge 16 December 2015 12: 31 New
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        Quote: Bone
        Let the cap be sniffed! It's time to forget about the islands, this is the territory of Russia, and the point !!!

        present-day Japan was formed as a state only in October 1945. and the Kuril Islands were never part of it, as well as the southern Svkhalin (captured in 1905), therefore this state requires the transfer to them of territories that never belonged .... to the highest rudeness. Although we have the right to demand also Father Hokkaido, for he belonged to us before his capture by imperial Japan.
        1. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 16 December 2015 13: 45 New
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          Quote: hert
          Quote: Bone
          Let the cap be sniffed! It's time to forget about the islands, this is the territory of Russia, and the point !!!

          present-day Japan was formed as a state only in October 1945. and the Kuril Islands were never part of it, as well as the southern Svkhalin (captured in 1905), therefore this state requires the transfer to them of territories that never belonged .... to the highest rudeness. Although we have the right to demand also Father Hokkaido, for he belonged to us before its capture by imperial Japan.

          It never belonged legally, but Russian Cossacks appeared on the northern part of the island at a time when the Japanese were not there. Well, plus Stalin, as a condition for the entry of the USSR into the war with Japan, he designated not only the Kuril Islands, but also the northern part of Hokkaido. Faced with strong resistance from Roosevelt, he softened the requirements, limiting himself to the Kuril Islands.
    3. Truth
      Truth 16 December 2015 06: 31 New
      +2
      I think that it is not necessary to deprive both current and promising politicians of Japan of such a unique opportunity to pump in a cypress on the topic of islands.
      It has already become a good and old tradition, and Japan honors tradition ...
      After all, give them the islands (but hell all over the face), they will have to rewrite the history where Kamchatka is their land occupied by Russia.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 16 December 2015 08: 51 New
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        Quote: Truth
        After all, give them the islands (but hell all over the face), they will have to rewrite the history where Kamchatka is their land occupied by Russia.

        I agree, if there weren’t the Kuril Islands, then they should be thought up.
      2. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 16 December 2015 11: 24 New
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        This is an eternal topic for Japan, even if Japanese politicians are committed to it. It is good that we ourselves finally began to do something in the Kuril Islands and the Far East.
    4. marlin1203
      marlin1203 16 December 2015 09: 24 New
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      But if they get these islands, what will the Foreign Ministry do with them? And domestic political life will immediately "fade". smile
    5. Maxom75
      Maxom75 16 December 2015 09: 33 New
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      and what will fall from under his tail
    6. max702
      max702 16 December 2015 11: 48 New
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      b) US pressure. If it were not for the intervention of the United States, Japan and the USSR would settle everything in 1956;
      This is the main reason for this dispute .. Everything else is of secondary importance, the USSR \ Russia + Japan union. The nightmare of the United States, the continuation of the Anglo-Saxons' nightmares from the Russia + Germany union, they understand perfectly well that getting Japan resources from Russia and establishing friendship and partnership between them means collapse US policy in the region! The United States will be thrown out of the occupied islands, there will be no bases, no economic influence, and then China has raised its head and straightened its back .. So the United States will lay its bones but will not allow a solution to this issue, the opinion of the Japanese is of no interest to anyone because all the figures who are "supposedly" endowed with powers are appointed by the United States and cannot conduct an independent policy.
      1. edge
        edge 16 December 2015 12: 36 New
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        Quote: max702
        no one is interested in the opinion of the Japanese because all the figures who are "supposedly" endowed with powers are appointed by the United States and cannot conduct an independent policy.

        and a direct example of this, Fukushima-yap three times have already been processed .amer. nuclear weapons, therefore, they will always smile and substitute .... them
    7. Skif83
      Skif83 16 December 2015 12: 20 New
      0
      Here is the literate quintessence of all this opus!
  2. Good cat
    Good cat 16 December 2015 06: 02 New
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    "A hole from the audience, not Sharapova"
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 06: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Good cat
      "Hole you from public, not Sharapova "

      what if publicand you won’t give a hole? wassat
  3. kebeskin
    kebeskin 16 December 2015 06: 02 New
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    Parts of sushi will only be obtained from fish lovers of marine dishes.
  4. mag nit
    mag nit 16 December 2015 06: 02 New
    +6
    Oblique view of the four islands.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 16 December 2015 09: 10 New
      +7
      Quote: mag nit
      Oblique view of the four islands.

  5. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 06: 04 New
    +4
    “Russia captured Kunashir, Etorofu, Shikotan and a group of islets of Habomai ...
    the "sharp-eyed" would shut up, the list of islands could expand. lol
  6. igorka357
    igorka357 16 December 2015 06: 14 New
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    When the yappremier starts talking about the islands, he needs to say ... Americans killed thousands of your people, and constantly tell them how to read the mantra to them, you need to develop this topic at a very fast pace, especially in the media! Remind them of Hiroshima and Nagasaki .. Let the once proud samurai always remember that they serve their executioners and murderers !!! At one point it can really help us! At least then when it will be necessary to finish off the Americans, I’m sure then the Yapis will remember who brought them so much grief! I apologize for the off topic !
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 16 December 2015 06: 38 New
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      Remind them of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... let the once proud samurai always remember that they serve their executioners and murderers !!!

      Alas, they know very well what "Enola Gay" and the numbers 8:15 are, they are not so stupid. And the simple Japanese IMHO on the drum these islands. This ruling clique (primarily the United States) is still nurturing thoughts of revenge.
  7. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 16 December 2015 06: 18 New
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    it’s completely incomprehensible that this author decided to write about this eternally green topic?
    Maybe what kind of visits are possible or what is being prepared? Japan always pushes this topic, the last year or two, especially often.
    1. Extraneous
      Extraneous 16 December 2015 23: 10 New
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      the author did not write anything.
      He provided here a translation of one of the Japanese forums, as I understand it.
      An interesting fact is the discussion on this topic. As you can see, not all Japanese consider these islands theirs.
  8. knn54
    knn54 16 December 2015 06: 19 New
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    And also give the key to the apartment where the money is ...
  9. avva2012
    avva2012 16 December 2015 06: 20 New
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    If you give the islands, then there will be practically no way out into the ocean and the Pacific Fleet will become the same as the Black Sea.
  10. alex-cn
    alex-cn 16 December 2015 06: 21 New
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    This nagging lasts as long as I can remember. For me, the kyzh of a small nation. And there is absolutely no need to give these islands.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 16 December 2015 06: 42 New
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      For me, the kyzh of a small nation.
      It is possible that the Americans are being encouraged (this was also mentioned in the commentary). The reason is the same to control our fleet.
      1. edge
        edge 16 December 2015 12: 41 New
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        Quote: avva2012
        It is possible that the Americans are being encouraged (this was also mentioned in the commentary). The reason is the same to control our fleet.

        that’s what; between the islands, emergency routes were laid out for the fleet to enter the ocean in the event of the blocking of the Japanese and Yellow Seas ... and that is why the base on Okinawa is so important to the Yusam.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 09: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: alex-cn
      For me, kipage small nation. And there is absolutely no need to give these islands.

      over 127 million is a small nation? Oh well...
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 16 December 2015 09: 45 New
      0
      How to understand small laughing ? Or do you think the smaller the territory, the smaller the nation? In general, do you know that technology is almost ahead of the rest, and that their army of self-defense is very advanced, but what about the auto industry, I will not say anything about them? how much do you remember yourself ...? Perhaps you are only twelve years old!
  11. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 December 2015 06: 21 New
    +7
    If Stalin had not stopped the operation to free the islands, then the Japanese would have now begged to return Hokkaido!
    1. Walking
      Walking 16 December 2015 06: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      If Stalin had not stopped the operation to free the islands, then the Japanese would have now begged to return Hokkaido!


      But it’s a pity that Hokkaido is not ours.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 16 December 2015 06: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      the Japanese would now beg to return Hokkaido

      By the way, they also look at Sakhalin. Appetite grows with food.
  12. theadenter
    theadenter 16 December 2015 06: 24 New
    0
    Someone really wants to "Ball"? wassat
  13. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 December 2015 06: 26 New
    +4
    Yes, the most important reason why we are not giving back is the position of Japan on the world stage.
    As soon as we return these islands, the very next day America will set up its missile bases there, in exchange for writing off part of Japan’s debt.
    In fact, the situation is similar to Crimea.
    So you need to arm these islands as soon as possible,
    that the Japanese would even look in their direction with caution.
    1. edge
      edge 16 December 2015 12: 43 New
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      Quote: Zomanus
      So you need to arm these islands as soon as possible,
      that the Japanese would even look in their direction with caution.

      et soon.
  14. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 December 2015 06: 27 New
    +4
    Any country should know: if it attacks Russia, it will be defeated and must pay for it! Japan does not understand. She thinks that everything is simple! Attacks again, all of Japan will not be Japanese ..
  15. SAM 5
    SAM 5 16 December 2015 06: 27 New
    0
    Let the cross-eyed lick their lips on these islands until the end of their days.
  16. moskowit
    moskowit 16 December 2015 06: 31 New
    0
    This "problem" is insignificant for us, but for the Japanese it is burning, paramount. Almost every country in the world has its own "stumbling block" associated with various reasons. Border, territorial, national and a number of others. And depending on the situation in the country, these problems from time to time, politicians of various "colors", to strengthen their own image or position, are dragged out into the "light of God" and get a "second, third, ... ninetieth ..." breath. It was and it will always be.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 16 December 2015 06: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: moskowit
      This "problem" is insignificant for us

      I do not agree. The problem is very relevant. Losing the islands we lose the Pacific Ocean.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 16 December 2015 09: 49 New
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        EvgNik
        I do not agree. The problem is very relevant. Losing the islands we lose the Pacific Ocean.

        And not only the Pacific Ocean!
        We will lose the main thing! I believe! Belief in victory !, Belief in justice!
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      3. moskowit
        moskowit 16 December 2015 09: 55 New
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        And where YOU, let me know, in my words saw the desire to give up territories? Anyone understands that Russia will stand there forever! This is undeniable !!! And since this is, as it were, "by default", then there is nothing to "pour from empty to empty". Why talk about what is unshakable!
    2. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 16 December 2015 09: 47 New
      0
      learn geography - these are strategic islands for the Navy TO..PL go there .. and the US Navy there constantly rubbing buoy sensors .. the fishermen collect .. the color is met
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 16 December 2015 10: 08 New
        0
        And you, my dear, if you please, turn to YOU!
        And for bad manners, you minus! That's it, darling ...
  17. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 16 December 2015 06: 34 New
    +2
    And why only 4 islands? For supporting fascism, for the fallen Soviet soldiers, for Russian-Japanese ... Yes, they would be silent, arrogant, let them rejoice that they still exist on the world map. Bolt you with a left-handed thread, not an island.
  18. igorra
    igorra 16 December 2015 06: 39 New
    0
    No need to be so cruel. Do you feel sorry for the land? In Japan, after all, people suffer, but send them a handful of zemlya from each islet, they will calm down, and if it’s a pity, then at least at the embassy put a little glass under the glass, let the Aboriginal islanders pray for a walk. Where is our kindness, sincere, sincere kindness?
    1. edge
      edge 16 December 2015 12: 48 New
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      Quote: igorra
      No need to be so cruel. Do you feel sorry for the land? In Japan, after all, people suffer

      Well, well, they have 70% of the territory not populated, especially the coast of the Sea of ​​Japan (you see it’s cold there), and let them develop the infrastructure in the central (mountain) part, and master the northern coast ...
  19. Nitarius
    Nitarius 16 December 2015 06: 40 New
    +7
    ))) How can one talk with the country WHICH IS THE OCCUPIED USA TO THIS TODAY?
    About Germany, as I understand it

    It is about this that G.-G. Komossa. The state treaty of May 21, 1949, to which the BND assigned the highest degree of secrecy, sets out the restrictions on state sovereignty of the Federal Republic of Germany until 2099. The agreement states that the allied countries have complete control over the German media and communications. Each Federal Chancellor of Germany must, before assuming office, sign the so-called Chancellor Act. In addition, the entire gold reserve of Germany is under arrest imposed by the Allies. And indeed, all the chancellors of Germany, including the current Angela Merkel, paid their first state visit to the United States. The US administration continues to intervene in internal processes in Germany. All political parties in Germany are led by a special monitoring body from Washington, and the licensed press created by the Americans in Germany is an even more unified means of brainwashing than under the Nazi regime. The territory of Germany remains occupied by American troops. All this might seem like a picture generated by someone's sick fantasy, if not for the figure of the author.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 16 December 2015 07: 39 New
      0
      The author, of course, is serious, but real secrets are protected by any state quite strictly (corny of course). In any country, the secret bearer must sign something about non-disclosure. I didn’t read the book, perhaps the author in it describes how he was able to circumvent the law. A person who has secret knowledge of this level should be under a cap. And to say, they say there is democracy, is not even funny. They will take such a talker in six seconds. Throw it in.
  20. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 16 December 2015 06: 46 New
    0
    Again, the United States skillfully incites and constantly fuels the differences between Russia and Japan.
    Everyone understands that Japan lost the war and got off easy. If not for the United States, the issue of islands in Japan would have long been closed.
  21. Utlan
    Utlan 16 December 2015 06: 50 New
    +2
    The donut hole is cross-eyed and not the island! And they will vomit out and take the rest.
  22. Locksmith
    Locksmith 16 December 2015 06: 52 New
    +3
    Many Japanese think interesting comments with their own head, unlike their politicians wink
  23. free
    free 16 December 2015 06: 54 New
    0
    yes send them in three letters!
    1. ASK505
      ASK505 16 December 2015 09: 05 New
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      Quote: free
      yes send them in three letters!


      Yes with a capital letter.
  24. sablezub81
    sablezub81 16 December 2015 06: 55 New
    0
    It's simple, you need to come up with a legend that like, the island of hokkaido, they should return us, period. demand from them with the same decisiveness and demand that no matter who comes there, in short, behave "zerklno" as they do to the smokers. I think such a game will scare them with a chance to lose the island of Hokkaido.
  25. Neophyte
    Neophyte 16 December 2015 07: 02 New
    0
    These islands are a trophy and all the talk about it is nonsense! Otherwise, you will have to remember the territories that Japan illegally annexed in past centuries!
  26. V.ic
    V.ic 16 December 2015 07: 04 New
    +1
    "..." on their collar, not a suit for the holiday. Let them learn in chorus the text / penultimate and last verses / songs "Three Tankers" from the movie "Tractor Drivers"!
  27. syndicalist
    syndicalist 16 December 2015 07: 15 New
    -3
    Jokes, jokes, but if not fire, then the smoke in this matter appeared for sure. About a month ago, Putin said that serious progress had been made in a long-standing dispute with Japan. The situation in Russia is such that no one will make concessions to it. If they are not inferior, then who?
    A breakthrough in international isolation is critical to the Russian economy. If it collapses, then the same thing will happen with Russia as with the USSR. As if for the sake of this situation, our diplomats have not done an irreparable type of any next TOR!
    And, apparently, the Japanese appetites are growing. The number of references to Sakhalin has significantly increased. Not without purpose all this.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 December 2015 07: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: syndicalist
      And, apparently, the Japanese appetites are growing. The number of references to Sakhalin has significantly increased. Not without purpose all this.

      let's talk actively for Okinawa, let them sweat! laughing
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 16 December 2015 07: 40 New
      0
      Quote: syndicalist
      like some regular TOPs
      TOR - is it the theoretical foundations of radio engineering, SAM, the god of thunder and storm or anonymizer? Or something else? what
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 16 December 2015 10: 08 New
        -1
        And not even a geometric figure. These are territories of advanced development. In social networks, topic number 1 last six months (not even Ukraine and not Syria). The Chinese are leasing border lands for 49 years. Alarmists say it's like Alaska forever. The laws of the Russian Federation will not actually apply in these territories (I hope this abbreviation does not need to be deciphered?). Specific agreements have not been published and are unlikely to be, but it is estimated that the area is about 4 in Ukraine. There are reports of evictions of local residents.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 16 December 2015 10: 14 New
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          Quote: syndicalist
          Alarmists say it's like Alaska forever.
          Khramchikhin is zealous ... Well, why do you take these alarmist speculations for what axiom?
    3. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 16 December 2015 09: 41 New
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      no one will ever give up the islands; only there can a fleet go into the ocean !!!
  28. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 16 December 2015 07: 28 New
    +2
    Calm, no need to worry. This is a tradition with Japan.
    It's a kind of tea ceremony - a question about the islands: Japanese leaders
    cannot but lift it, and ours, accordingly, cannot agree with them.
    "The law of the genre: one - runs away, the other - catches up!".
    A joke, of course! ..
    Of course, the Japanese want to return everything: for that matter, historically, Sakhalin
    completely ours only since 1945, especially the islands.
    Of course, more than
    Quote: Doctor Lecturer
    From a dead donkey ears
    and
    Quote: Good cat
    A hole for you from the public

    we cannot offer them!
    And, you see, colleagues, our outposts look great:
    Kaliningrad Crimea; Kuril Islands New Earth.
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 16 December 2015 08: 15 New
      +2
      For that matter, Sakhalin was never Japanese, but historically Russian! It was after the Russo-Japanese War that they ceded the southern part of the island. For this, the head of the Russian mission at the negotiations Witte was nicknamed Count Polusakhalinsky. So in 1945 we only restored historical justice .
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 16 December 2015 08: 39 New
      0
      Before Tsushima, Sakhalin was Russian
  29. ILIA
    ILIA 16 December 2015 07: 48 New
    0
    Shaw again !!))))
  30. Skiff
    Skiff 16 December 2015 08: 08 New
    +3
    The matter is, by and large, not in the islands themselves, but in the straits of the 200 miles economic zone and the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. Now it is recognized as internal, which is very useful for us. The islands can not be given up at all, except for land we lose the onromic amount of marine bioresources and the shelf.
  31. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 16 December 2015 08: 30 New
    +3
    The window of opportunities for spinning islands for yapes closed with the departure of EBN. And before 2000 all 4 islands could well have fucked for not very big money. Even with the local population, as in those days it would only be glad to receive either dual or Japanese citizenship. But Yapi decided to wait a bit until Russia finally bends and get the islands for free. Greed, as they say, fraera ruined. All that remains for them now is to express all sorts of protests there, to look through binoculars at the island part of Russia and to intensively consume lollipops.
  32. kuz363
    kuz363 16 December 2015 08: 37 New
    0
    "Japan will never get these islands back, unless Russia is offered something very significant in the political and financial field." Bold minus to the author! So, the author does not exclude that the islands may be given to Japan? And then for the same significant piece of the Kaliningrad region - Germany, Crimea - Turkey, the Arctic - Norway, the Far East - China?
  33. SIMM
    SIMM 16 December 2015 08: 43 New
    +2
    One Japanese man correctly said: The most real chance was after the collapse of the USSR, Yeltsin, in a drunken shop, in 92-94. when it was most difficult in the economy, he could have paid for "tamogochi" - but they missed it.
    Now - forget it!
  34. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 16 December 2015 08: 45 New
    +7
    I like the photo of Uncle Vova !!!
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 16 December 2015 10: 34 New
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      Quote: Ruswolf
      I like...

      Do not blaspheme.
  35. oracul
    oracul 16 December 2015 08: 49 New
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    If we assess the position of Russia in the world as a whole, it is quite obvious that the activation of Japan fits perfectly into the general picture of the confrontation between the US and the EU against us - we are probing in all directions, searching for weaknesses. Perhaps under the guise of something and somewhere break off. As a rule, there is not much new in such articles, but there is undoubtedly some benefit: so that we do not forget that the jackal is not asleep.
  36. Wolka
    Wolka 16 December 2015 08: 56 New
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    why repeat it, but after all, the GDP once said that you will receive (islands) from ears of a dead donkey ...
  37. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 16 December 2015 09: 21 New
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    Our diplomats just need to say one simple thing - do you want a constructive dialogue on the islands? -
    1. Stop shitting on Russia.
    2. Get rid of mattress occupation and influence completely.
    3. For many years, by deeds, prove your friendly disposition towards Russia.

    Only then will we think about how to resolve this issue by mutual agreement.

    Once said and forgotten. As soon as the sub-mattress of the quick-eyed stench rises about the islands - just a question - and you have completed three points in order to raise this topic again? No? Well then, suck on the mattresses. We are negotiable only with adequate and sane people.
  38. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 16 December 2015 09: 37 New
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    if we give it back, we’ll lock the fleet in Japan and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ... the islands will never be given away to anyone .. even EBN Alk understood this ..
  39. nikolaij.w.78
    nikolaij.w.78 16 December 2015 09: 57 New
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    Why even talk with them about the islands. What kind of negotiations can be about the islands? Once and for all, it must be indicated that they are ours and the point in all negotiations. soldier
  40. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 16 December 2015 10: 12 New
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    At the Crimean Conference in February of 1945, Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill agreed that after the defeat of Japan, the USSR would withdraw the southern part of Sakhalin Island, which our country lost during the Russo-Japanese war in 1905, and all the Kuril Islands. This was the main condition for the entry of the USSR into the war against Japan.
    In 1952, Japan signed the San Francisco Treaty, which means that it has measured the fate of the vanquished. The agreement indicated that Japan renounced the territories, but in whose favor it was not indicated (the paragraph on transferring the USSR island was deleted) Therefore, we did not sign the Agreement in this form. Then the territory could move and the United States.

    In 1956, Khrushchev signed a Joint Declaration with Tokyo, according to which the USSR undertook, after concluding a peace treaty with Japan, to transfer the islands of Habomai and Shikotan to it. The Japanese immediately began to demand the return of South Sakhalin and all the Kuril Islands. But then they calmed down only on four islands.
    Therefore, the contract was not concluded, but a declaration was signed.

    The matter did not go further than papers, due to the conclusion of the Treaty of Interaction and Security by Japan with the USA in the 1960 year.
  41. KBR109
    KBR109 16 December 2015 12: 02 New
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    Our federal officials (not necessarily the very first persons) need to train the Japanese more often - visit the islands at least once a month. And the islands will clearly benefit and the neighbors will cease to throw tantrums over time.
  42. Olezhek
    16 December 2015 15: 28 New
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    Shaw is somehow in the comments solid emotions, as in the children's garden.
    I would like to see some positive, some original thoughts.
    (mattress / pampers) - somehow wrong. request
  43. An60
    An60 16 December 2015 16: 48 New
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    "An autumn leaf rushes in the wind, an American freezes without whiskey. The Russians will not give us the islands ...." This is a hokku.
  44. Orionvit
    Orionvit 16 December 2015 18: 08 New
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    Quote: Truth
    I think that it is not necessary to deprive both current and promising politicians of Japan of such a unique opportunity to pump in a cypress on the topic of islands.
    It has already become a good and old tradition, and Japan honors tradition ...
    After all, give them the islands (but hell all over the face), they will have to rewrite the history where Kamchatka is their land occupied by Russia.

    For all the damage (including moral) that Japan inflicted on Russia in the 20th century, Port Arthur still needs to be recalled, and southern Sakhalin, and the provocations on Lake Hassan, and much more. In 1945 they surrendered on time, otherwise Japan would not exist in its present form. That's me fighters, the descendants of the samurai, after the fight, wave their fists. By the way, the question of Alaska is still hanging, it is for those who set Japan against Russia.
  45. Orionvit
    Orionvit 16 December 2015 18: 19 New
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    Quote: SAM 5
    Remind them of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... let the once proud samurai always remember that they serve their executioners and murderers !!!

    Alas, they know very well what "Enola Gay" and the numbers 8:15 are, they are not so stupid. And the simple Japanese IMHO on the drum these islands. This ruling clique (primarily the United States) is still nurturing thoughts of revenge.

    Yes, let them bear it. The ruling clique will not fight, and ordinary Japanese, unlike their ancestors, degenerated from a well-fed life as Europeans, so that there are no fighters from them. This is not for them to fight the Chinese, remember the much-praised, millionth Kwantung army, in August 1945. And for a month was not enough.
  46. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 16 December 2015 23: 11 New
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    If Crimea was returned home laughing , it would be indecent to give the Russian islands long ago, we’d better bring Topol and Iskander there, so that our neighbors would not be so bored, and we’ll hide it under any of the four islands. laughing am
    And, yes, we’ll bring a couple of boats from the Caspian, to fish. laughing