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Strong Russia is not crazy patriots, and common sense

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Honestly, I didn’t want to write on the topic that the country’s bulging on the country's road of life today. For various reasons. The main one of which, of course, lies in the foreign policy of our state. Well, in the foreign policy of our "friends" from other countries. It is difficult today to remain indifferent to open calls to us from these very "friends."


But what is happening today is forcing to write. Forcing to beat on the arrogant, not very different intelligence, "face muzzle." And not for those who are in the camp of obvious enemies, but for those who seem to be our very, Russian. But in reality - the enemy is much bigger. The enemy who seeks to play on our patriotic feelings. On our grievance on the injustice of the decisions of European and overseas parliaments or courts.

The abomination of the situation is that today it’s not those who offer some solutions to the problems that are trying to get the upper hand. Today heralds are in fashion ... Oracles of revolution and other cardinal reforms.

I read comments on articles about Ukraine or on articles about the next "twist" of the West and create a stable impression that I got on Tsenzor. Only instead of the Ukrainian hooligans who are intoxicated with propaganda of the hopak, Russian trepak lovers write. The rest is almost no difference.

At first I thought that such a situation had arisen in connection with the prohibition of this very “Censor” in Russia. All narrow-minded and radical types flowed from there to the Military Review. After all, “VO” is one of the few platforms where discussions are allowed on various issues, from military affairs to geopolitics. Some liberal administration allows you to write your articles and comments to people of completely different political orientation. This is both an advantage and a disadvantage at the same time. But "VO" is therefore popular, because here anyone can meet like-minded people. And not just to meet, but also to discuss interesting questions. Many old-timers have become good friends. Even with diametrically opposed views. Although many are no longer with us, but this is a question of a different plan.

An analysis of the comments led me to a strange conclusion. There is not only a clear decrease in the intellectual level of comments. Today, radicals of various stripes are gaining momentum. And it is caused by the fact that it is the radicals who are not ashamed to translate the discussion of articles into the discussion of the authors or the views of any of the commentators. Even the fact that never before was perceived as something significant, today suddenly became the object of attack. I mean the country of residence of a person.

I especially "like" the reaction to the Israeli flag. His very appearance is already causing a “stance” in hurray-patriots. A Jew means an enemy. I would have looked at such a patriot in a personal meeting, for example, with Atalef. May our Israeli readers forgive me, but this Russian physiognomy must be looked for. And fists are more suitable for a heavyweight boxer. And how many are scattered throughout Europe and America? Our people who once for various reasons turned out to be abroad, and not even from Russia, but from other former Soviet republics.

Boys, from among those who do not see anything beyond the keyboard and have not seen, are trying to take a leading position on the site. Trying to become the face of the site. Not educated? So what. But arrogant and energetic. In extreme cases, there is always the old, proven "fool himself." Only you will fail. And even tell you why.

It is because of your lack of education. Site rules must be read. Especially where not only rights are described, but also obligations. As well as administration rights. Then the questions will disappear. And claims to moderators. And even the identity of the authors of articles will no longer interest. There will be a normal discussion on the topic of the article.

The other side is the emergence of many radical preachers of views. Any. From Marxism to fascism. Including everyone in the middle. Such a person is simply not capable of discussing the views that are not in accordance with his convictions. If it is a communist, then he is not just a communist, he does not accept another world outlook at all. If a liberal, then liberalism is holy. And so at all.

These people will be at every opportunity to smash (understand - throw mud and other impurities) on everyone and everything. Not proving the correctness of their views, namely, smashing the views of others. Breaking is not building. Remember how in the old joke about how to properly bind to a pole? What are you worth? Dug in here. Proclamation hung. Yes, and even put a glass empty on his head, to cover the lantern ... There is about the same situation.

When an ideological radical indicates a violation, you will receive an invitation to the discussion in reply. For what and why ... And not just an invitation, but with threats up to the European Court of Human Rights. This is not a joke, these are real facts from personal correspondence. And the most interesting, this type really hopes to intimidate someone. And he is very offended when he is given a "leg and butt," as one of our readers once said.

So, gentlemen radicals, and you will not succeed. For the same reasons why the boys fail. And about the ECHR you have already answered the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation.

And the last. Many of these patriotic patriots write insults in a personal. Both authors and commentators complain of a sharp increase in such ugly people. At the same time refer to the fact that the PM is not public. So, there is no violation of the rules. Alas, there is. And we will punish for it. Not censure and warning, and complete destruction without the right to use the site.

We are not strong because we put manure on everyone around. We are strong in common sense and confidence in our rightness. And common sense always implies not only the promotion of their views, but also the discussion of others. Even the possible acceptance of these views. If they are reasonable. We are also strong because we can give any bully, before cutting backhand, say - "Be kind, make mercy, stop, please!"

I think those to whom this note was intended understood me. But I repeat. Guys, be so merciful, please don't make us use force.

Because there is always a shepherd and a whip on any goat. And this shepherd will drive the goat to where it should be. To the barnyard. People should always be people, people!
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  1. sa-ag
    sa-ag 11 December 2015 10: 31
    +1
    "... And regarding the ECHR, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation has already answered you."
    By the way, what did he answer there?
    1. emercom1979
      emercom1979 11 December 2015 10: 35
      +9
      Decisions of the ECHR may be enforced if they do not contradict the Constitution and laws of Russia. Something like this in a nutshell. In short buggers will not pass stop
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 11 December 2015 11: 04
        11
        Also talk about color revolutions. You will find the answer to the question of how a patriot differs from a non-patriot.

        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 11 December 2015 12: 44
          0
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          how a patriot differs from a non-patriot.


          Thank. I looked with pleasure and listened. It seems that many may not like this conversation.
          1. Lord of Wrath
            Lord of Wrath 11 December 2015 17: 47
            -2
            Thank you for the article. It would be nice to move on to actions.
            So offhand I will list topics in which they easily and naturally throw minuses and spit in the comments:
            - Donbass and "how bad it is in Ukraine"
            - Syria
            - Western media about Russia
            In principle, and to hell with them with these topics, but having pumped there, dashing marshals begin to climb where they also feel "professionals"
            - Kalashnikov assault rifle
            - domestic tanks and especially Armata
            - the fleet and especially the need for strike aircraft carriers in mother Russia
            - PAK FA
            Moreover, in these topics, uryakalka are divided into two streams - we have everything "that has no analogues-in-the-world" and "nothing needs to be changed, we already have all the best, with hats-we will throw-epic-heroes-we will call"
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 11 December 2015 12: 44
          0
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          how a patriot differs from a non-patriot.


          Thank. I looked with pleasure and listened. It seems that many may not like this conversation.
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            1. alicante11
              alicante11 11 December 2015 16: 41
              +8
              That's really someone, and the atalef would not have to be involved. There are also normal Jews on the site. Which you don't want to minus. And the atalef is "hit" not at his "Slavic" personality, and not even at the flag, the Pipyrchatoy flag is generally Russian, and it still hits. And they beat him on his anti-Russian comments and on obvious rudeness. I hope that the moderators will not stand up for their friends? Because I consider it rude when a stranger is "poked". Personally, this is not pleasant to me, and I (and other users) repeatedly pointed this out to the atalef. But ... a log. And the moderators do not care for this, by the way. To wind up the rating - please, but to call the "old friend" to order ... Well, we know that "we are not giving up our own".
            2. unsinkable
              unsinkable 11 December 2015 17: 30
              +9
              Quote: Inok10
              . What common sense can you talk with Mr. Staver?

              I agree that you don’t have to be rude. I admit that it was a shame for some of my comments, but not for those in which I * watered * you the exquisite refined Atalef ham. In one of my comments I wrote that I am loyal to all nations, t . K. everyone has both good and bad people. There are no bad nations. But you really didn’t like the end of your article. You see 100% of yourself as a shepherd with a whip. And the goats of everyone else, including us. Your article does not read as educational. How rude, yes.
            3. Roman Skomorokhov
              11 December 2015 17: 56
              -4
              Here is an example of a patriot. Go on, my dear.
              1. ancient
                ancient 11 December 2015 18: 36
                +6
                Quote: Banshee
                Here is an example of a patriot. Go on, my dear.


                But let me disagree with you !!! sad

                Since the UNSHOKEN very CLEARLY SACENTED the whole "meaning" of this article - ". You can see yourself 100% as a shepherd with a whip. And as goats of everyone else, including us."
                Only at the same time, he still spoke very mildly and .. this is correct .. since the 282nd .. "buckles" at a time wassat
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 11 December 2015 22: 09
                  +7
                  .. Kind Grandfather Sash .. it was worth not to appear for several months as already here a completely different atmosphere .. impressive .. especially the actions of some people .. it's good that the mind was smart enough to make a screen .. earlier than Skomorokhov deleted it with an attempt to issue a warning earlier with wording on point "a" of the Rules, he complained, the warning (collection) not lawfully imposed was removed, a deep bow to the Administration in the person of Fantast .. in a personal message from Skomorokhov .. I put the screen on the court of the Public .. and Roman Batkovich, let me remind .. this is the media. Yes, yes, "Voennoye Obozreniye" is licensed by the Mass Media, and not someone's personal page on a social network .. The Law on Mass Media is written for everyone! .. and, liability for non-compliance with the law can range from administrative to criminal ..
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 11 December 2015 22: 16
                    +5
                    .. and a screen shot of what caused such indignation of Mr. Skomorokhov .. to be honest, I am shocked by Roman Batkovich's behavior as a Moderator .. in a nightmare I could not imagine that I would have to write this to him half a year ago .. in May, before May 9, together, shoulder to shoulder they fought with the Starikovtsy-Air Defense Forces when they tried to pour over ... "Immortal Regiment" .. sad .. very sad ..
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        3. onix757
          onix757 11 December 2015 17: 08
          +4
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          Also talk about color revolutions. You will find the answer to the question of how a patriot differs from a non-patriot.


          The elderly are a typical helpful weather vane of the power of the frostbitten bourgeoisie.
          1. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 12 December 2015 20: 42
            0
            Quote: onix757
            The elderly are a typical helpful weather vane of the power of the frostbitten bourgeoisie.
            Reply Quote Report Abuse


            In addition to hanging labels, how can you argue your point of view regarding the fallacy of his blunders? Simply put, what do you dislike about him? or if he is for power, then Putin’s slave?
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 11 December 2015 10: 36
      +7
      Quote: sa-ag
      By the way, what did he answer there?

      Laws of the Russian Federation are higher than laws of the ECHR in a word, our laws are our laws
      1. Altona
        Altona 11 December 2015 11: 44
        +3
        Quote: Lukich
        Laws of the Russian Federation are higher than laws of the ECHR in a word, our laws are our laws

        -------------------
        In the United States, even state laws may be prioritized by any other .. They have been piloted for a long time on all sorts of international laws and treaties ...
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 11 December 2015 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: sa-ag
      "... And regarding the ECHR, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation has already answered you."
      By the way, what did he answer there?

      Now the Constitutional Court can recognize the decision of the ECHR as unenforceable because of the contradiction of the constitution and thereby make it null and void for the Russian Federation
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 11 December 2015 10: 54
        +3
        Quote: emercom1979
        Decisions of the ECHR may be enforced if they do not contradict the Constitution and laws of Russia.

        Quote: Lukich
        Laws of the Russian Federation are higher than laws of the ECHR

        Quote: Kyrgyz
        Now the Constitutional Court can recognize the decision of the ECHR as unenforceable because of the contradiction of the constitution and thereby make it null and void for the Russian Federation


        Quote: emercom1979
        Decisions of the ECHR may be enforced if they do not contradict the Constitution and laws of Russia.

        That's how, on March 30, 1998, the Russian Federation ratified the European Convention on Human Rights except protocols 6, 12, 13
        "...
        Protocol No. 6:
        Article 1. Abolition of the death penalty (limited to peacetime) "
        Protocol No. 12:
        Article 1. General prohibition of discrimination
        Protocol No. 13:
        Article 1. Abolition of the death penalty
        and the Constitution of the Russian Federation
        Article 15
        ...4. The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty are applied. "

        those. it’s difficult to understand the logic of lawmakers when they say that the law can prohibit what the Constitution allows
        1. Altona
          Altona 11 December 2015 11: 23
          +3
          Quote: sa-ag
          those. it’s difficult to understand the logic of lawmakers when they say that the law can prohibit what the Constitution allows

          -------------------
          Here about discrimination I have for our legislators big questions (since it is very present in the world of work), as well as about corruption, where a number of international articles that were very inconvenient for our ruling figures have not been ratified ...
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 11 December 2015 11: 03
      +2
      Two people whom I respect, and not only me, tell me well what we are strong about and much more.

    5. Homo
      Homo 11 December 2015 16: 12
      0
      Quote: sa-ag
      By the way, what did he answer there?

      On July 14, 2015, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation ruled that the decisions of the ECHR should be implemented subject to the supremacy of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 11 December 2015 10: 33
    +3
    Everything is good in moderation.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 11 December 2015 10: 48
      +6
      [Boys, from among those who do not see or see anything further than the keyboard, are trying to take a leading position on the site] - Well, the guys want to be eagles at least in virtual. And then in real life they only hear: "4MO" and "4MO" ...
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    2. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 11 December 2015 10: 56
      11
      Good is good, but the author is right! Too many radicals of various kinds have appeared! And it’s sad that under the guise of adherents of communist ideas and the revival of the USSR, real fascists and neo-Nazis are hiding, and recently I came across this! Moreover, the views are very radical and appeals (albeit strongly veiled), but always to overthrow the current government! There are a whole bunch of reasons, as always, and this is actually so, I don’t argue here! But as the classics said: "The revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and its fruits are used by scoundrels."
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 11 December 2015 11: 47
        10
        Who are the bastards? Mine, ours and your ancestors who lived in the 30-80s? They used the fruits of the revolution.
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 11 December 2015 12: 24
          +5
          Quote: 3axap82
          Mine, ours and your ancestors who lived in the 30-80s? They used the fruits of the revolution.

          No, they used leftovers from these fruits. Those who climbed into power and became the new "elite" took advantage of it. In 91, this "elite" quickly repainted, remained in power. Well, look who we have now in the government, the State Duma, in the regions?
          1. 3axap82
            3axap82 11 December 2015 18: 13
            +4
            Well, let the party members eat more rations. Had a summer house (departmental) extra refrigerator. This does not make them masters of the country. They did not have private property (not to be confused with personal property), their children and they themselves fought, they were in prisons under the Emperor (and not like Khodorkovsky or Tymoshenko, but in all the strictness of prison life). At first there were executioners and destroyers in the elite, then creators, then bribes. Degenerates can be called people since Andropov who began (!) Perestroika.
            The new "elite" are amoebas who are afraid to resist the world financial system, do what they should, because it’s easier and money in your pocket, all the benefits of world science and culture are available. Be Stalin? Alexander III? It is difficult, dangerous and not a fact that you will win. To be content with what your not-so-well-educated citizens are producing? We must teach them to raise everything, to build, and this is in isolation (real). They just don't need it.
        2. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 11 December 2015 12: 31
          10
          Quote: 3axap82
          Who are the bastards? Mine, ours and your ancestors who lived in the 30-80s? They used the fruits of the revolution.


          I mean, modern "revolutionaries" in Georgia, Ukraine and other banana republics! I in no way meant our ancestors, my grandfather was a communist all his life and I in no way want to cast a shadow on his bright memory! But at the same time I want to remind you that if Stalin had not come to power, then the same Trotsky would have drowned the country in blood and not only our country! There would be no USSR and there would be no victory in the Second World War!
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            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 11 December 2015 13: 39
              +8
              afdjhbn67, but did you carefully read the article you are commenting on ?! The article is about you! You got into the discussion and just rude a woman! It’s not for you to teach me history, and for your information, I didn’t pass the exam, we had a normal exam, damn philologist!
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 14: 07
                +2
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                You got into the discussion and just rude a woman!

                Really do not get tired of surprising me .. a reasonable dose of criticism, do you perceive this as rudeness ??
                And. tell me how to respond to a comment without getting into a dialogue, a pretty stranger is intrigued (this is me Avatar) laughing
                But you seem a little rude to me .. but you can’t forgive the woman (damn it as a philologist) ... wassat
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 17: 30
                  +3
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  And. tell me

                  Why was my comment removed from the dialogue - which did not contain anything that violated the rules of the site ?? Isn't this what we are all discussing hotly here ?? The comment itself is certainly not dear to me, but an understanding of motivation is important, just honestly admit that urakryalki are closer and clearer to you and do not roll cotton wool ..
                  1. domokl
                    domokl 11 December 2015 19: 55
                    -1
                    bully Because I decided so ... And yours and the woman’s comment deleted ... Here I am such a satrap wassat
                    1. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 12 December 2015 03: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: domokl
                      bully Because I decided so ... And yours and the woman’s comment deleted ... Here I am such a satrap wassat

                      Satraps, stranglers of freedom .. laughing fellow
                      "O poor hussar, say a word"
                      E. Ryazanov \ But it’s nice that without an answer - with a voice crying in the desert it did not remain .... ATP hi
                2. unsinkable
                  unsinkable 11 December 2015 17: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  but that you will not forgive the woman

                  Right, buddy! Moreover, her name and surname are perfectly consonant.
          2. 3axap82
            3axap82 11 December 2015 18: 02
            +2
            Here I completely agree with you. However, I do not consider the so-called "orange revolutions" to be revolutions. The social and even political-economic system remained the same, just new thieves took the place at the trough. If the Rose Revolution and Maidan achieved their declared goals, it would be great. Representatives of the people, the elimination of oligarchy, independent courts, transparency (reasonable) of the work of officials. All people want good and sometimes even take to the streets to defend this good. We have a lesson: if someone from the FORMER, PREVIOUSLY PARTICIPATED politicians calls on the Maidan, it needs to be closed in 4 walls. Only honest, spotless and not held in power leaders. Not the level of Navalny, which is from the state. depa receives reconnaissance. data (albeit true) on our oligarchs, but on the level of Stalin, Dzerzhinsky, Chavez and Castro.
        3. 2s1122
          2s1122 11 December 2015 12: 39
          +1
          This is the 1st in Ukraine, Kravchuk, Kuchma and so on are all members of the CPSU
          2-Grbachev, Yeltsin, Shevarnadze-members of the Politburo
          Yes, so the Obkomovites, secretaries of regional organizations who, during the perestroika period, hastily changed their orientation towards nationalist views. And this despite the fact that among ordinary citizens there were quite a few hidden nationalists.
        4. Weyland
          Weyland 11 December 2015 17: 22
          +2
          Quote: 3axap82
          Mine, ours and your ancestors who lived in the 30-80s? They used the fruits of the revolution.


          You confuse concepts. They did not use the fruits, but conquests revolution!
          1. 3axap82
            3axap82 11 December 2015 18: 18
            +2
            In the context of what I have written, this is not so important. I understand very well what I am writing about. Although conquest is a more specific and correct word. "Fruit" is more of a metaphor)).
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      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 12: 19
        +5
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Good is good, but the author is right

        Diana, the author is right and unequivocally .. but your ura chants there are also indirectly described ...
        Looking at you, I give everyone a recipe for how to quickly become a "marshal" - a cute female avatar and a nickname and a lot of cheers, then I really agree with Alexander once again about the drop in the intellectual level of comments .. A. Romanov had a very good comment yesterday where he is in Stochechka listed all this nonsense ...
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 11 December 2015 12: 37
          +6
          Looking at you, I give everyone a recipe for how to quickly become a "marshal" - a cute female avatar and a nickname, and more cheers!
          ----------------------------------------
          Judging by the fact that you have reached the marshal in less than a year, have you tested this in practice? :) It's a joke.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 13: 01
            +2
            Quote: guzik007
            Judging by what you are for

            it was this way I walked .. laughing
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 11 December 2015 14: 03
              +8
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Quote: guzik007
              Judging by what you are for

              it was this way I walked .. laughing


              With which I congratulate you! If you think that I am chasing marshal's epaulettes, then you are deeply mistaken; I am here for a different purpose! I am waging my war, including against people like you! And then whoever would talk about the profile picture and about the nickname, look carefully at your own words, the psychologist could tell a lot about you, but the psychotherapist too!
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 14: 52
                +2
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                I wage my war, including against people like you

                Can’t you describe my psychotype? And forgive me to whom I belong - Diana the hunter on the warpath fellow ..there above you wrote something about excessive radicalism, re-read it, do not contradict yourself - dualism leads to mental disorders.
                As for the profile picture, in my opinion I have the third or fourth .. more recently, so your psychiatrist will go crazy from my eclecticism ..
                I think it’s worth finishing this, given the intellectual difference (of course not to your advantage) and the fact that you are a woman .. hi
        2. guzik007
          guzik007 11 December 2015 12: 40
          +1
          Looking at you, I give everyone a recipe for how to quickly become a "marshal" - a cute female avatar and nickname and more hurray!
          -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- Marshal in less than a year? Looks like it really worked for you! : =) Joke
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 11 December 2015 13: 19
        +9
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Moreover, the views are very radical and calls (albeit heavily veiled), but always for the overthrow of the current government! As always, there are a whole bunch of reasons and this is actually so, here I do not argue! But as the classics said: "The revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the bastards use its fruits."

        Of course, I can’t speak for all readers of VO, but more than once in the history of mankind a just society has not arisen peacefully. This is a fact, but it is the result of a fierce, reactionary opposition from a completely inhuman system called capitalism. Not a single capitalist or oligarch will part with the opportunity to rob a country and people just like that. All the revolts of the enslaved peoples were crushed by the troops, blood was pouring in rivers, all of whom they had only suspected of not being loyal to the authorities, were being destroyed without trial and investigation.
        So what do you expect from the oppressed and robbed?
        A simple example - for a call for a change of power, in real Russia, they will be given a term. Here you have democracy, here you have Putin, a little white and fluffy good-natured man.
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 11 December 2015 14: 02
          0
          Quote: Алексей_К
          A simple example - for a call for a change of power, in real Russia, they will be given a term. Here you have democracy, here you have Putin, a little white and fluffy good-natured man.


          And what does Putin have to do with it? Did he write a constitution? It was written by the dogs, shahrai and others. Yakovlev.
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 11 December 2015 14: 02
          -1
          Quote: Алексей_К
          A simple example - for a call for a change of power, in real Russia, they will be given a term. Here you have democracy, here you have Putin, a little white and fluffy good-natured man.


          And what does Putin have to do with it? Did he write a constitution? It was written by the dogs, shahrai and others. Yakovlev.
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 11 December 2015 16: 49
          0
          A simple example - for a call for a change of power, in real Russia, they will be given a term. Here you have democracy, here you have Putin, a little white and fluffy good-natured man.


          And you name at least one country in which "for calls to overthrow" would be patted on the head.
        4. Weyland
          Weyland 11 December 2015 17: 32
          +3
          Quote: Алексей_К
          for a call for a change of power, in real Russia, they will give a term.


          For calling for violent a change of power will be given in any country. This word you missed is the key! negative
          For example, I have repeatedly publicly called for a change of power and in the next election to vote not for GDP but for the BBJ - and so far no one has even tried to plant me! laughing
      4. unsinkable
        unsinkable 11 December 2015 17: 35
        +1
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        Too many radicals of various kinds have appeared!

        Only in this you are right with the author. The rest is demagogy. hi
      5. onix757
        onix757 11 December 2015 18: 16
        +3
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        too many radicals of various kinds appeared! Moreover, it is sad that under the guise of adherents of communist ideas and the revival of the USSR, real fascists and neo-Nazis are hiding

        It is sad that under the guise of patriots opportunists and liberals are hiding.
      6. ancient
        ancient 11 December 2015 18: 47
        +3
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        And it’s sad that under the guise of adherents of communist ideas and the revival of the USSR, real fascists and neo-Nazis are hiding, recently they themselves have encountered this!


        Dear Diana .. I’ll try just differently (otherwise you are offended at the bottom of the tape that you ... are hateful) .. so ... maybe you are not there, along with the author of the article, look for a problem, huh? wink

        Or just .. "it's scary to voice ... twelve friends ...." Ocean " wassat

        Head of Lukoil Vagit Alekperov purchased a hotel in Istanbul lol

        The president of the private oil company Lukoil, Vagit Alekperov, purchased a hotel in Istanbul despite the tensions between Russia and Turkey. It is reported by the Turkish publication Sabah.

        link - http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1656732/

        Well, about the "Savior of the Fatherland" .... the company of Horns and Hooves "(oh, sorry .." Plato ") .. I hope I don't need to write anything .. although something to write something, the LADY said that it was" HAPPINESS "for us. .so it is so wassat
        1. 416494
          416494 11 December 2015 20: 03
          -5
          Public Joint Stock Company "Oil Company" LUKOIL "- as it is now called. Why can't the President of the company become an owner wherever he wants? He is not a member of the government, not a deputy, a Russian company, but there is no state share in it, the state has long sold its stake , and the company bought it. So calm down and don't drive a wave. " LUKOIL "gives the state everything that is required by law and never asks the state for anything.
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 December 2015 21: 15
            +6
            Quote: 416494
            Public Joint Stock Company "Oil Company" LUKOIL "- as it is now called


            Laughing out loud!!!! So all pensioners and other people .. should "play urya0patriotism" and with a cry .. "hit all over Turkish" rush to the next flash mobs, and the owners of the national property .. go about their business?
            Yeah .... everything is clear with you wassat

            1. 416494
              416494 12 December 2015 00: 23
              -4
              You just don’t have to talk about pensioners and the whole people. I’m just a pensioner, and you are not the whole people. And just a lot of people work in this company, they do not make bad money and many of these people are shareholders of the company and the company, including Alekperov, for every penny he reports to his shareholders and he does a million times more for Russia than you do with your chatter.
        2. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 11 December 2015 21: 41
          +3
          Ancient:
          Hello Alexander!
          Why were they messed up, vorogs?
          Hold the Pros +++
      7. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 11 December 2015 21: 31
        +4
        Diana Ilyina:
        "The revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and its fruits are used by scoundrels"
        Well, I read this statement a long time ago: Democracy is the tyranny of villains and crooks.
        Do not comment?
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 11 December 2015 23: 45
          +8
          Quote: Kuzyakin15
          Well, I read this statement a long time ago: Democracy is the tyranny of villains and crooks.
          Do not comment?


          In principle, I agree with this statement! By and large, democracy is a myth invented and imposed on us by the West! Russia is historically a country where democracy has existed only twice, and then conditionally, it is the Novgorod Chamber and the Cossack Circle! But again, this is rather arbitrary, but basically we are a country gravitating towards totalitarian rule! But this is purely my point of view, based on the conclusions drawn from our history! The country flourished and made breakthroughs when it was ruled by tough personalities: Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Joseph Stalin!
  3. Lukich
    Lukich 11 December 2015 10: 34
    +4
    Great article! Everything is said correctly, in the case. I vote for every word with two hands good
  4. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 11 December 2015 10: 34
    +7
    Tell user MIKHAN.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 11: 51
      0
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      Tell user MIKHAN.

      Or his clone Mikhalych. I notice that when one is absent, the second immediately pops up, exactly with the same comments. fellow
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 11 December 2015 12: 10
        +3
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        Tell user MIKHAN.

        Or his clone Mikhalych. I notice that when one is absent, the second immediately pops up, exactly with the same comments. fellow

        I'm not a clone... hi Do not like do not read!
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          1. MIKHALYCH1
            MIKHALYCH1 11 December 2015 16: 03
            +2
            Quote: Alibekulu
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Or his clone Mikhalych.
            smile
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            I'm not a clone..
            That's right, not a clone - a clown .. laughing

            Accepted... laughing Sometimes skidding on corners! wassat
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 14: 12
          +1
          Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
          I'm not a clone ... I don’t like it, don’t read it!

          I admit my wrong if MIKHAN will be noted right there today
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            11 December 2015 18: 02
            0
            Mihan of that ... not to be noted. A week like everything.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 12: 28
        +2
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Or his clone Mikhalych.

        Don’t touch Baikonur .. I haven’t seen his chants for a long time .. laughing
        They became "marshals", it means they approve of them .. it is not the moderator who is pulling their rating ...
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 11 December 2015 12: 44
          +1
          And then there was "The Giant of Thought". marshal like that. So he simply reprinted the editorials from the magazine "Communist", nailed down with a rusty nail in his toilet.
          I read it, remember it, mash it up, used it for its intended purpose, and forward for the clave, until I forgot: =)
        2. guzik007
          guzik007 11 December 2015 12: 58
          0
          Why, I remember here the marshal was such a "giant of thought" So he just sprinkled editorials from the magazine "communist"!
  5. moskowit
    moskowit 11 December 2015 10: 35
    11
    The author correctly noticed the problem of communication on the site. Dialogues of some visitors are sometimes disgusting .... A lot of degrading, arrogant comments in circulation.
    1. Altona
      Altona 11 December 2015 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: moskowit
      The author correctly noticed the problem of communication on the site. Dialogues of some visitors are sometimes disgusting .... A lot of degrading, arrogant comments in circulation.

      -------------------
      Some people think that the more cynical and harsh the commentary is, the better. I somehow didn’t address it very much, but if they write nasty things to the country’s address, then you have to punish it. And for myself, I’ll quickly put it in my place if the troll attacks what ..))
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 11 December 2015 10: 36
    +7
    Only instead of the Ukrainian hoppak fans stupefied by propaganda, do Russian trepak fans write. Otherwise, there is almost no difference.


    There is such a thing ... when you do not please anyone with a comment, they instantly accuse me of ignorance, kick back even harder, of course it’s unpleasant, but you can survive.
  7. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 11 December 2015 10: 36
    +2
    "People should always remain people, people!"
    I agree. Article plus.
  8. Woodman
    Woodman 11 December 2015 10: 41
    +3
    It seems to boil in humans.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 11 December 2015 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: Lesovik
      It seems to boil in humans.

      Duc is not boiling with him - more precisely, not only for him and not only for VO.
      Yesterday I went to work with a client for 40 minutes, all the time he listened to the "echo", as they say directly that a revolution is needed for a long time, but non-violent, but simply a change of government and constitution.
      1. Altona
        Altona 11 December 2015 12: 29
        +6
        Quote: lelikas
        Yesterday I went to work with a client for 40 minutes, all the time he listened to the "echo", as they say directly that a revolution is needed for a long time, but non-violent, but simply a change of government and constitution.

        -------------------------
        I am "For" ... Right, these funny ones on "Echo", 25 years ago, changed the government and the Constitution exactly what they wanted then. Now they want to change again. Or maybe then, 25 years ago you didn't have to touch anything? Neither the country, nor the Constitution, but simply in power to give two comrades a hard hat?
  9. asar
    asar 11 December 2015 10: 42
    0
    Cool, but true!
    Thank you, Alexander!
    +++!
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 11 December 2015 13: 09
      +2
      but I like it when the warriors arrange a skirmish among themselves. I immediately remember my own barracks with kubricks and the indestructible smell of yuft with footcloths: =)
  10. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 11 December 2015 10: 42
    +4
    A good and topical article, and I very much liked about Alexander (Atalef), who very often really writes absolutely adequate and competent thoughts. hi
    1. Altona
      Altona 11 December 2015 12: 33
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      A good and topical article, and I very much liked about Alexander (Atalef), who very often really writes absolutely adequate and competent thoughts.

      --------------------------
      I both plus and minus him and others. I explain why, for the "anti-Russian position" in some issues, where unfounded theses in the "bastardness and primitiveness" of our weapons sound. Only for this. That is, if it sounded like an epithet, get it, sign it. An insult to Russia sounded, get it, sign it, this applies to everyone. It should be generally more politically correct chtoli. hi
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 12: 54
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      Good and topical article,

      I agree, I’ll only allow the question to the administration - there have been a lot of bans within one month; Most of them practically did not differ in any kind of radicalism, I myself was ostracized several times, but for a few days, now if the ban was on the spot, forever and it seems to me that this led to the desalination of the site and comments, for a while it was not even interesting to write and even more so to read comments similar to stifled cries of not smart people ....: and unfortunately this trend is only increasing, it is gratifying that the administration sees this
      After all, the atmosphere on the site is created by old-timers and regular users, and not victims of the exam who didn’t run shouting cheers hi
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 11 December 2015 15: 57
        +3
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        I agree, I’ll only allow the question to the administration - there have been a lot of bans within one month; Most of them practically did not differ in any kind of radicalism, I myself was ostracized several times, but for a few days, now if the ban was on the spot, forever and it seems to me that this led to the desalination of the site and comments, for a while it was not even interesting to write and even more so to read comments similar to stifled cries of not smart people ....: and unfortunately this trend is only increasing, it is gratifying that the administration sees this
        After all, the atmosphere on the site is created by old-timers and regular users, and not victims of the exam who didn’t run shouting cheers


        Kolya, I won’t even comment. good soldier
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          11 December 2015 18: 06
          +2
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          a lot of bans happened within one month literally I won't list persons, what caused?


          We got beyond measure. There was an editorial board, it was decided to clear the site of those who, according to the editorial board, are harmful. Cleaned up.

          Quote: afdjhbn67
          unfortunately this tendency only goes up to increase, it is gratifying that the administration sees it


          62 screamer in the bath only for this week. You noticed?

          And we read it every day.
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 December 2015 21: 23
            +2
            Quote: Banshee
            We got beyond measure. There was an editorial board, it was decided to clear the site of those who, according to the editorial board, are harmful. Cleaned up.


            Nothing ... there is not much left to endure and will be .... "universal happiness" .. only fellow , and if there is no "hurray", then immediately ... "sunny Magadan" lol

            Deputies propose criminalizing the discreditation of the Russian Federation by supplementing the Criminal Code with the same article.

            full link - http://www.rg.ru/2015/12/10/proekt-site.html
            1. Aleksandr1959
              Aleksandr1959 11 December 2015 22: 04
              +2
              Deputies propose criminalizing the discreditation of the Russian Federation by supplementing the Criminal Code with the same article

              So they most of all by their decisions and discredit the legislative branch.
  11. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 11 December 2015 10: 44
    13
    the author, in your article - jumble. With one hand you indicate the need for evidence and tolerance, with the other hand, I quote Guys, be so merciful, please do not force us to use force.

    Because there is always a shepherd and a whip on any goat. And this shepherd will drive the goat to where it should be. To the barnyard. People should always be people, people!
    . The question is not to force you, who is this? to use force, force is how? Where there is no evidence, there is strength, so how do you differ from those who hold liberal views. If you do not like criticism of the actions of our authorities, then explain if you can. only without slogans and not counting on fools, as Ishchenko, for example, does. Moreover, a Jew is not an indulgence. Due to the equality of peoples, it is also subject to criticism. if someone disagrees with him, like any other Russian. American...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 11 December 2015 10: 50
      14
      Due to the equality of peoples, it is also subject to criticism. if someone disagrees with him, like any other Russian. American...

      It is possible and necessary to criticize ... but it is impermissible to be rude and insult a person’s personality.
      Sometimes they insult me ​​and be rude and I have to make great efforts not to slide to the same level of communication ... this is the most difficult .... not to respond to rudeness with rudeness but to smile sweetly at him and say hello dear or good morning.

      The inner culture of man is a vivid indicator of his behavior in society.
      1. anfil
        anfil 11 December 2015 11: 23
        19
        That's just the point, the author complains about an inadequate attitude towards the Israeli flag, not thinking that people may simply not agree with the opinion of a comment posted under the Israeli flag. Looks like every minus is a tragedy for them.
        I didn’t seem to insult anyone in PM or write to anyone, and suddenly messages come from which you fall into a stupor and the most interesting thing is immediately blacklisted, apparently afraid to get an adequate answer.






        And judging by the epaulettes themselves you can see recently on this site comment.
        1. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 11 December 2015 12: 21
          +9
          Quote: anfil
          That's just the point, the author complains about an inadequate attitude towards the Israeli flag, not thinking that people may simply not agree with the opinion of a comment posted under the Israeli flag. Looks like every minus is a tragedy for them.
          I didn’t seem to insult anyone in PM or write to anyone, and suddenly messages come from which you fall into a stupor and the most interesting thing is immediately blacklisted, apparently afraid to get an adequate answer.






          And judging by the epaulettes themselves you can see recently on this site comment.

          They also came to PM ... And how to react? Again we insult the "poor Israeli comrades" ... Everybody complains and complains! And they don't leave the site, they like to see it here ..)))))
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 11 December 2015 16: 55
            +3
            And they don’t leave the site, they like to see here ..)))))


            They work here.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 December 2015 11: 47
        0
        And his lack of culture is even brighter !!!
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 11 December 2015 12: 01
      +4
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      the author, in your article - jumble. With one hand you indicate the need for evidence and tolerance, with the other hand I quote [i] Guys, be so merciful, please do not force us to use force.

      ... What is the difference between a policeman who beats in a pacifist demonstration and a pacifist who - in the same demonstration! - hits the policeman? ...
      A policeman - to beat "has the right" and beats "according to the law"! And the pacifist - according to the m-o.d.de of the face ...
      1. Bluesman
        Bluesman 11 December 2015 12: 08
        -1
        Quote: CONTROL
        ... What is the difference between a policeman who beats in a pacifist demonstration and a pacifist who - in the same demonstration! - hits the policeman? ...

        rights.
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 11 December 2015 14: 34
        +1
        I did not understand the essence, on whose face the pacifist hits. If a pacifist hits a policeman in the face, then why in another situation does the same policeman have to protect the pacifist from the attempted robber?
  12. emercom1979
    emercom1979 11 December 2015 10: 48
    +5
    On this topic. Every opinion has a right to exist. Explain the position, prove the point of view, listen to the opponent, draw conclusions. In short, there should be a constructive dialogue, and not fray and threats. But in fact, neophytes and children, who do not imagine that there is a different point of view, usually sin. + article.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 December 2015 10: 49
    27
    I especially like the reaction to the Israeli flag. His very appearance already causes a “stand” among the cheers

    The author, what about the fact that your "bat" (with the participation of Russian well-wishers) suddenly decides that I am minus for the flag (sheer stupidity) and begins to personally call on the Jews to include me on the black list. Those, naturally out of a sense of solidarity, support this, not forgetting to write me in a personal a couple of "affectionate". So what should be the reaction to such a direct meanness of one Jew (with sympathizers). And how many comments from the same "flying Jew" who constantly insults Russia? At least you rarely look in the mirror. How to teach Russians how to live, you are right there. As soon as you get a word across, you start to let the nuns start. It's still amazing how the Holocaust was not launched under this. It's time to have a conscience. Kohl fled to another country, so don't teach us how to live (this is for the "flying"). Why do some guys under your flag write reasonably and no one has a negative attitude towards them?
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 11 December 2015 17: 00
      +1
      and begins in a personal appeal to the Jews to include me in the black list.


      Hmm, I wonder why the Jews don't bring me into the emergency situation? Only the professor brought it in, but some time ago I even received an "amnesty" from him (in his own words). And no abusive messages came. Although with the atalef, pimply, the professor constantly clings, as soon as they crawl out with their anti-Russian comments.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        11 December 2015 18: 12
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        Hmm, I wonder, why don't Jews bring me to the emergencies?


        Why indeed? Atalef from me 5 predov has, and does not contribute. Yes, and others, too, for I roll them out regularly. One touchy is, but he was already sent to the skull.
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 12 December 2015 07: 05
        0
        So be proud that they do not perceive you as a threat to themselves on the site. Personally, I understood your and Banshee's comment, as - probably my own fault. And this "in something" sooner or later will come out sideways. By the way, Banshee as a moderator can calmly see how it started. In November, A. Romanov inserted the flag of Israel (Gif) in his commentary with the postscript "this is the flag that should fly." To which I replied that it was not worth inserting a flag to which your commitment is already clear. A day later it started from the side of the Jews.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 12 December 2015 07: 40
          0
          I’ve been on the site for the second year, but it seems that Jewish gentlemen began to oversee the site. They can’t say a word against, but on their part they actively humiliate the mental abilities of Russians, filth on the country with the full connivance and support of individual moderators. Is it time for the administration to decide. If the site is under the flag of Israel, then report it openly. Honestly boiling up.
  14. bocsman
    bocsman 11 December 2015 10: 50
    +2
    I support the essence of the article and I want to add something that the respected author did not mention. There are not only, let’s say, not quite educated people, but frank enemies of Russia disguising themselves as patriots, or vice versa flaunting it. But among the majority of visitors to the site, healthy, such characters are rebuffed. Have you probably noticed?
  15. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 11 December 2015 10: 54
    +8
    only those idiots who don’t even know that there are a lot of programs under which you can enter under any flag can react to the flag. For example, the Browsec browser extension

    And about the fact that intelligence has fallen .... well, so compare the number and quality of comments to historical articles and to the delirium from Gunpowder and Yaytsenyuk, or from US stupidity.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 11 December 2015 12: 08
      0
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      only those idiots who don’t even know that there are a lot of programs under which you can enter under any flag can react to the flag. For example, the Browsec browser extension

      ... also the "motherboard" of laptops can give a flag - by the country of manufacture (or the customer of the equipment).
      And about the fact that intelligence has fallen .... well, so compare the number and quality of comments to historical articles and to the delirium from Gunpowder and Yaytsenyuk,
      Many "unintelligent" comments are from Ukraine, from Donbass: it is difficult to remain an "intellectual" when you are regularly shot at ...
      1. 1rl141
        1rl141 11 December 2015 13: 03
        -1
        How can a "motherboard" give a flag, and an operating system cannot give a flag? A chipset can?
  16. satris
    satris 11 December 2015 11: 04
    +8
    Something I did not understand the article. So it wasn’t meant for me smile ... But the general feeling is that the author wanted to speak out after a terrible offense that someone inflicted on him. Should I be offended? The people have a lot of proverbs and sayings about grievances and attitudes towards them: "The dog barks - the wind carries", "Swearing on the collar does not hang and does not count", "For every choh you do not enjoy yourself", "They carry water to the offended" - and so on. Otherwise, it turns out something like "have mercy on me" - with the addition of the threat "otherwise I will go to court" - it does not matter, constitutional or moderator. This is not our attitude, it smells of Americanism, sir.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 11 December 2015 11: 46
      +8
      satris
      Something I did not understand the article. Means, smile was not intended for me. But the general feeling is that the author wanted to speak out after the terrible insult that someone inflicted on him.

      The matter is rather not about the insult of the author. The site used to be cleaner. Yes, and the users themselves watched. And corrected. if something is wrong.
      And now it seems that someone just has verbal diarrhea (I apologize for the phrase).
      The same comments on different topics. It seems that many do not even read articles, but only comments and only those that are shorter. And they are trying to insert their answers in them. And they themselves are not even interested in either the topic or the answer.
      But what the site should be and what it will be and will be, it primarily depends on us.
      IMHO
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 11 December 2015 17: 06
        +1
        The site used to be cleaner. Yes, and the users themselves watched. And corrected. if something is wrong.


        I don’t know, I’m on the site less than a year less than you, but I would not say that the site has changed.
        The problems are the same. Jews, titles, promotion of ratings for "friends", disrespect for elders (old-timers), non-core information.
        And every year you can only hear from the old people on the little bench - here, young people come, they don’t understand anything, but there too, with urry comments.
        Moreover, if you turn to the old-timers for information, with all due respect, given that they position themselves as great experts, you will get figs. Think about it, or the old-timers themselves are more ponte, or they do not respect the "youth" so much.
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    3. Luga
      Luga 11 December 2015 12: 54
      +7
      Quote: satris
      Something I did not understand the article. So, it was not intended for me. But the general feeling is that the author wanted to speak out after the terrible insult that someone inflicted on him.


      I got the impression that the author, like myself, simply stopped feeling comfortable on the site. There are very, too many comments that are absolutely meaningless, in the style of "Erdogan on Kukan", "Poroshenko (egghead, Obama) shoot", "Go ahead, Russia", "We are the coolest", etc. I personally, in principle, do not mind the meaning of these slogans, but I am bored to read them from time to time on every occasion and without it. Yes boring. This spam drowns what I have always visited this resource for - analytical comments, interesting links, reasoning, etc. A year ago, there were much more such comments. Lost the atmosphere. Instead of a gathering of scholars and intellectuals, the site turns into some kind of Hyde Park, or, forgive me, Lord, Maidan. The author does not have an association with the "Censor" out of nowhere.

      Filtering users "this is smart, this is not" is useless. A couple of hundred lifelong bans at once and a dozen weekly could partially resolve the issue, at least not for long. But they need to be done publicly, motivated and at the beginning of the week (or at the end) put up a list of those banned forever with a list of sins and links to these sins. Then the policy of the administration will be clearer for users and, most importantly, it will be clear to everyone that the policy is not only proclaimed, but also implemented. Maybe that's how it should be?
    4. 1rl141
      1rl141 11 December 2015 13: 25
      +6
      But what is there to understand? The author decided to stand up for his buddies and friends and demands a special relationship to them. It looks like a childish resentment for his buddies does not allow him to sleep well, or maybe friends with "heavyweight boxer fists" and "Russian physiognomy" are persistently asking. ..
      On the Internet, as in the bath, everyone is equal! No matter the age, ranks and titles.
      Do you want to "get a splash" from the green kid? Do not write about what you do not know thoroughly! Better yet, do not write anything at all. And if you have written, then be prepared for the fact that someone "dissenting" will appear and pour mud at you abundantly.
      The Internet is not for the faint of heart. And the faint-hearted "authors" should drink motherwort before the session.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 11 December 2015 17: 09
        +2
        It looks like a childish resentment for his boyfriends does not allow him to sleep well, and maybe friends with "heavyweight boxer fists" and "Russian physiognomy" are persistently asking ...


        That's for sure. Tired, probably, atalef win rating. The rating jumps, not so long ago the captain was, and already goes to the generals full, although they constantly miss him. Previously, when I was wondering where the professor came from, they said, they say, the articles are written, translated for the site. And now, it seems, they do not twist the rating for articles, so where does that come from?
      2. Roman Skomorokhov
        11 December 2015 18: 15
        +1
        Oh mind, the chamber ... Well, all taught. Okay, accepted.
        1. Oprychnik
          Oprychnik 11 December 2015 19: 54
          0
          Gee-gee. I can not express myself in another way)))
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 11 December 2015 11: 04
    +4
    Sometimes it’s fun to watch how some commentators start talking to each other here, plus themselves and playing along. Although the purpose of the comments is completely different.
  18. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 11 December 2015 11: 06
    +4
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    The inner culture of man is a vivid indicator of his behavior in society.

    I agree, but not absolutely, but consider it ironic how to deal with Ilyich. I was not shy in expressions, but I liked to listen to the Passionate. sure. that this is not a fake. On the other hand, some of Stalin’s works are an example of endurance and logic. And during feasts in associates threw bread crumbs.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 11 December 2015 11: 24
      +2
      And during feasts in associates threw bread crumbs.

      Well, this is still nothing in BORZHEZKY ... on the TV, the chefs drive the chefs there and the owner’s waiters cakes, noodles, eggs are thrown ... rammed with food, so to speak ...
  19. bubalik
    bubalik 11 December 2015 11: 08
    +4
    Strong Russia is not cheer patriots
    I read the comments to articles about Ukraine or to articles about another "twist" of the West, and I get the impression that I got to "Censor".

    There is not only a clear decline in the intellectual level of comments
    wassat

    do not force us to use force. belay crying,, threatening? THREAT - in the right, verbally, in writing, or in any other way, the expressed intention to inflict physical, material or other harm to any person or public interests; one of the types of mental violence against a person. In criminal law, U. represents a method of inciting, committing suicide (Article 110 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), involving a minor in committing a crime (Article 150 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), illegally obtaining information constituting a commercial or banking secret (Article 183 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) and committing other crimes. U. the use of violence is also a qualifying feature of the series of crimes. U. by killing or causing grievous bodily harm constitutes an independent corpus delicti (Article 119 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).
  20. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 11 December 2015 11: 09
    +1
    Now let's check it through chrome ...
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 11 December 2015 11: 11
      +5
      And this flag through the TOP
      Nothing changed. although I remember how the State flag was earlier

      pisi:
      In general, the article is correct. I do not want VO to turn into garbage.
      One needs to learn to be polite (a scoundrel, a scoundrel or a troll), first of all.
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 11 December 2015 12: 39
        +2
        All! Calmer!))) I remember I registered with VO amid an emotional outburst about the revolution of dignity in Ukraine at the beginning of 2014. Thoughts here corresponded to my mood. We can say that I found like-minded people. A veil of emotions overwhelmed sanity.
        Now the level of emotions has subsided, common sense begins to appear, as the author wittily put it. Before issuing another pearl, close your eyes and count to 10.
        If common sense didn’t tell you anything - voice your thoughts!)))
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 13: 38
        +1
        Quote: Mama_Cholli
        Nothing changed.

        How has not changed .. Mom you turned white .. laughing
  21. 205577
    205577 11 December 2015 11: 16
    +7
    Many thanks to the author!
    This topic is long overdue, I would even say it is ripe, swollen and threatens to spill out with something bad.
    For a long time, it has been "annoying" that a huge number of members of the forum are more suitable for "onizhedeti" or "who does not jump - that ...." in terms of the level of intelligence of their statements. And this is unfortunately a reality.
    Sofa generals and strategists with incomplete secondary education, who do not know their native language, who cannot "see" beyond their own noses, argue about the fate of my country and its citizens. And at the same time, they are absolutely unable, or do not want to look at themselves from the outside.
    The conclusion is simple - this is a ready-made mass for "revolutionary" accomplishments, because if they only need to replace the "slogans", they will "start".
    Personally, I see this as a huge danger.
    You need to think with your head, and not with your complexes, THINKING NECESSARY!
    Thank you to the author, everything is on the case and in a timely manner (if not even late).
    1. ava09
      ava09 11 December 2015 16: 44
      +1
      Quote: 205577
      talk about the fate of my country and its citizens


      We did not ask ourselves a question about our "education" and that the country is not "yours", but OUR. If you want to talk about the concept of "Education" - I look forward to comment ...
  22. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 11 December 2015 11: 22
    +6
    I completely agree with the author!
    2-3 years ago there were battles and disputes on the site, but it was cleaner!
    The price was the opinion of a specialist, not a wit.
    Users not only met, but also broadened their horizons in military affairs, in various directions.
    It is very unfortunate that many left the site precisely for the reasons indicated by the author!
    I hope that this article will contribute to the return of the spirit of VO that was originally and which united many good people.
    hi
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 11 December 2015 17: 17
      0
      The price was the opinion of a specialist, not a wit.


      Yes, not a specialist. And the old-timer, who with thoughtful, but empty comments, filled their own worth. What, Kaptsov was not before? Well, maybe he got less with his armadillos, so they say he used to dislike aircraft carriers in ancient times. And there are specialists now. Andrei from Chelyabinsk, for example, is always without show-offs and in the case. Therefore, probably, he rarely speaks.
  23. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 11 December 2015 11: 22
    +4
    Everything is correct. +
    Sometimes, it is annoying when, in the course of the discussion, a topic is suddenly thrown in, which is not at all related to the discussion and leads the discussion aside, or two "Styopa" breaking the thread begin to discuss a get-together.
  24. bubalik
    bubalik 11 December 2015 11: 23
    +1
    And to the account
    Jew means enemy
    You yourself raised this topic, never in the comments you were guided by the opponent’s affiliation to a particular state or nation.
  25. Wedmak
    Wedmak 11 December 2015 11: 24
    10
    Well, someone writes disgusting things that you can do right away - flogging with rods. Put a minus, closed the discourse. Business something. Without a reaction on the other hand, such an interlocutor will not do harm in any way.

    I especially like the reaction to the Israeli flag.

    I really like the reaction. some representatives with this flag. However, one can argue with the same Atalef, develop a discussion with facts and adequate arguments. And even if opinions are diametrically opposed, it doesn’t come to malicious attacks on the person. But there are individuals who act like an evil troll. And this applies not only to the flag of Israel.
  26. gingerbread man 59
    gingerbread man 59 11 December 2015 11: 24
    0
    I think so if he is an internal enemy, he must be isolated from society and the ECHR is an external and internal enemy of the ECHR. EU.OBSE. NATO OPEC is our enemy
  27. chikenous59
    chikenous59 11 December 2015 11: 24
    +9
    Guys, remove from the comments the ability to put "+" and "-". You will quickly notice that the skirmishes will practically disappear !! No need for shoulder straps and "huskies". All because of the struggle for the plus signs and shoulder straps! Think about it
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 11 December 2015 11: 38
      +3
      The discussion on the forum showed that this is exactly what the administration needs, so they left the pluses and minuses.
    2. anfil
      anfil 11 December 2015 11: 39
      0
      I agree, it’s good on the site "War and Peace" not any + - and if someone does not agree, he will definitely comment on your opinion.
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 11: 43
      +4
      You can simply remove the anonymity in the pros and cons. Then immediately the agility will decrease. And sometimes it’s a feeling that specifically provokes a normal discussion, on the button press. That is, I objected to the man, he replied - neither I nor he did not go down to the minuses, and after some time the anonymus begins to minus both one and the other - well, then there was a bickering between the debaters, and the anonymous only laughs. Sometimes it seems that such provocateurs exist and act in this way hi
      1. domokl
        domokl 11 December 2015 11: 49
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        and the anonymous only laughs.

        Strange. Any user can find out who put the pros and cons ... Just click on the number and that's it
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 11: 55
          +5
          Quote: domokl
          Strange. Any user can find out who put the pros and cons ... Just click on the number and that's it
          In the sense? I specifically can’t see who specifically set the plus or minus for me, only the presence of the minus plus. This is on the forum, yes - it can be seen. Maybe you are just a moderator and you don’t know that an ordinary user doesn’t have such an opportunity) In any case, when I click on a number my user nicknames don’t pop up request
          1. domokl
            domokl 11 December 2015 12: 03
            +1
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Who specifically set me a plus or minus set I can’t see,

            Hello .. mother-in-law New Year ... I’m now a plus, and you click on the unit .. And immediately a window pops up where my nickname is drawn laughing
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 11 December 2015 12: 33
              +3
              Quote: domokl
              I’m a plus now, and you click on the unit .. And immediately a window pops up where my nickname is drawn

              Hmm, I just checked the last ones on my comments, there’s nothing like that - just how much for, how much against and that's all, the nicknames of those who voted are not shown request
            2. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 11 December 2015 12: 57
              +2
              I’m a plus now, and you click on the unit .. And immediately a window pops up where my nickname is drawn
              - domokl

              You probably have special rights. Most pop up nothing. Just how much + and how much -.
            3. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 13: 01
              +2
              Quote: domokl
              Hello .. mother-in-law New Year ... I’m now a plus, and you click on the unit .. And immediately a window pops up where my nickname is drawn
              Though crack, but not drawn) Maybe someone else will unsubscribe. I often see in the comments a voice like "who put me a minus")))
              1. rotmistr60
                rotmistr60 11 December 2015 13: 11
                +2
                Just do not confuse the possibilities of the moderator and the visitor. This moderator sees who and what.
            4. guzik007
              guzik007 11 December 2015 13: 20
              +4
              Hello .. mother-in-law New Year ... I’m now a plus, and you click on the unit .. And immediately a window pops up where my nickname is drawn
              ----------------------------------------------
              Oh, so you slept, comrade from the office. On PCs it will be easier: =)
            5. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 13: 41
              +2
              Quote: domokl
              Hello .. mother-in-law New Year

              Oh wise .. really opened his eyes - I did not know for example ..
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    4. pts-m
      pts-m 11 December 2015 12: 14
      +2
      and it’s even better to make an age qualification on the site. From 2 to 6 years of age. The kids do not have such communication experience and everything will be okay. And there will be no swear words. And the rest to disperse under the threat of physical violence. Then ... grace.
    5. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 11 December 2015 12: 18
      0
      Quote: chikenous59
      Guys, remove from the comments the ability to put "+" and "-". You will quickly notice that the skirmishes will practically disappear !! No need for shoulder straps and "huskies". All because of the struggle for the plus signs and shoulder straps! Think about it

      You're right. Rating as a title can be left only to writing authors of articles. In this case, the + and- delivered to the article will mean the attitude of the main audience. (although not everything is clear here)
      It is possible to think (if possible) of creating a forum in the likeness of an army unit. For example, to divide into groups — calling them, for example, regiments, or divisions, with their leaders — generals, etc.
      At the same time, forum users can be given the opportunity to choose even the side that interests them, for example, the western coalition and the eastern one, which will have their own insignia. It will be fashionable, for example, to choose a party based on tests, the results of which will be sorted in one direction or another / clan. Only the truth will have to be made up of these tests and fixed in the header of the forum.
      Well, there can not be so many marshals on the forum ...))))
      Then VO will be really interesting.
      (I don’t know how an opinion different from that of the leader of the group / clan will be evaluated?) This is not the army and the soldiers should be able to express their opinion.)))
      I will be happy to be ordinary on this kind of forum.
      pisi:
      I can not help myself, my childhood in .... plays. (Continuous fantasies)
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 11 December 2015 12: 27
        +2
        Mama_Cholli
        In this case, + and- delivered to the article will mean the attitude of the main audience.

        For your article, albeit small but still, I put "+"
        hi
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 11 December 2015 12: 54
        +3
        To divide into regiments and divisions with their leaders is to arrange a mega-shit with even more bickering and insults. "Puppeteers" want to divide the site visitors and play them against each other. Bravo! All overcrowded, and then banned and driven into the stall! Plans like the White House laughing
        Best regards hi
        1. Mama_Cholli
          Mama_Cholli 11 December 2015 15: 13
          0
          Full ...
          Sincerely hi
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    7. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 11 December 2015 12: 44
      +2
      Guys, remove from the comments the ability to put "+" and "-". You will quickly notice that the skirmishes will practically disappear !! No need for shoulder straps and "huskies". All because of the struggle for the plus signs and shoulder straps! Think about it

      Pluses with minuses will not hurt, but the titles are superfluous, there is a constant race for them. So they write all kinds of nonsense, often just playing along to the tone of everything.
    8. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 13: 08
      +1
      Quote: chikenous59
      Guys, remove from the comments the ability to put "+" and "-". You will quickly notice that the skirmishes will practically disappear !! No need for shoulder straps and "huskies". All because of the struggle for the plus signs and shoulder straps! Think about it

      Together with most commentators ... 70 percent no less - does the site need it ??
      On the contrary, I think - the epaulette is an excellent know-how, until it comes across something like that on the open spaces of the network .. I understand it is not convincing with my epaulette, but nonetheless ..
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 11 December 2015 17: 49
        0
        On the contrary, I think - the epaulette is an excellent know-how, until it comes across something like that on the open spaces of the network .. I understand it is not convincing with my epaulette, but nonetheless ..


        Oh, come on, in Tsushima back in the middle of the 2000's epaulets were hung, however, marine. And the IHS had something similar even earlier.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 11 December 2015 19: 58
        +1
        afdg

        Shoulder straps may indicate the level of activity. And by the quality of the statement you can always determine who are behind them and how they are earned.

        In my opinion, let them be.
    9. guzik007
      guzik007 11 December 2015 13: 17
      +2
      chikenous59 (2) SU Today, 11:24 AM New
      Guys, remove from the comments the ability to put "+" and "-". You will quickly notice that the skirmishes will practically disappear !!
      ---------------------------------
      But this is not a fact at all. Such is our nature, to prove and fight. So we are arranged.
  28. askort154
    askort154 11 December 2015 11: 25
    14
    Previously, a pensioner in winter - longing. Now with the Internet, as in space!
    I visit many sites, but on VO, as before in the "kitchen". Especially on weekends and holidays, a lot of humor, you can feel the "warmth". Naturally, there are many different opinions, discussions, the horizons are broadening, but most importantly, the common spirit is fraternal.
    But, unfortunately, "the family is not without its black sheep." Whom you have offended earlier, sorry. Article +!
  29. uskrabut
    uskrabut 11 December 2015 11: 31
    +1
    Bravo, Alexander! It's time to clean up the comments. There is no smoking room behind the school toilet.
  30. iohanson
    iohanson 11 December 2015 11: 32
    15
    "All people, but not all people" The article is relevant, but I think it was not worth ending with threats, condescending at the same time to the level of the contingent under discussion ...
  31. ruskih
    ruskih 11 December 2015 11: 33
    +2
    The article is very correct. Thanks to the author. I wanted to write something like this myself for a long time. ”“ Kindergarten ”with its statements has already got out.
  32. tomket
    tomket 11 December 2015 11: 37
    22
    Something tells me that VO goes along the road of the "Censor". What are the similarities? Firstly, the "only correct opinion" on the site began to be clearly traced. This became especially clear after the deletion of a critical article on the topic of Putin's message to the federal assembly. Secondly. The author strongly urges to "punish" boors and complains about the influx of various kinds of "radicals". However, I would like to ask. How was the respected Romanov "punished" who calls the members of the forum "foolish"? What respect do you want to get when marshals from the category of moderators behave in such a rude way? Or the site's policy "What is allowed to Jupiter, not allowed to bull"? In this case, VO is a tracing paper for our society, when those who are "in power" can do everything, and the rest are spread rot, while they still teach "how to live."
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 December 2015 11: 53
      +2
      sad Somehow the marshal doesn’t know the rules of the site. But Romanov received and is getting his cons well. Like other moderators, if they break down.
      But as for the article ... The rules have a clear indication of what the administration can do. Read.
      I don’t want to repeat myself, but ... To my question, why are you here if you feel so bad? Nobody has answered yet ...
      1. tomket
        tomket 11 December 2015 12: 02
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        . But Romanov received and gets his cons regularly

        Cons cons, but for some reason it will not be banned for rudeness.
        Quote: domokl
        . To my question, why are you here if you feel so bad?

        Well, we, like real Russians, want to wait for justice and truth in our lifetime, and see it with our own eyes, until we die)
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 11 December 2015 13: 08
          +4
          According to A. Romanov, a colleague of tomket (2), is right. Threats and rudeness on his part pour in on many.
          If moderators require others to respect the decency, order and rules of the site, then they themselves must first of all follow these rules and procedures, and not point out the door "why are you here if you feel so bad?"
    2. 3axap82
      3axap82 11 December 2015 12: 16
      +9
      The essence of the article: Blah blah blah .... radicals .. Blah blah blah .. beware .. Blah blah blah .. punish boors .... INSURED JEWS AND FOR THE ISRAELIAN FLAG !!!! .. ..do not force to apply measures.
      Of the specifics, only Jews, everything else is vague. Any point of view that radically disagrees with the point of view of the author of a "good article" is already radicalism.
      Apparently, a civil confrontation awaits Russia, people are gradually starting to divide into friends and foes. Under normal political and social conditions, this does not happen.
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 11 December 2015 15: 24
      -4
      tomket

      What you said did not understand. I do not share your point. If the word fool passes through the filter, then you can use it.

      Often the opinion of one person is too expert for the general mass. VO sits a lot of young people with little life experience. Their judgment may fall under this characteristic.
    4. Roman Skomorokhov
      11 December 2015 18: 19
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      How was the respected Romanov "punished" who calls the members of the forum "foolish"?


      Fucked in the brain and sent to ban oholhoh ban.
    5. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 11 December 2015 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      In this case, VO is a copy of our society, when those who are "in power" can do anything, and the rest are spread rot, while they still teach "how to live."

      If I had my will, I would have banned more than a dozen empty-bones.
      I explain - more than one discussion of the articles posted here begins with "blah-blah-blah", turning into squabble and swearing. That is, the article is a side. And the personal "feh" - that's it. Watch the beginning of the discussion of the "Kingdom of Khan".
      Grannies at the entrance are much more interesting than such balabol.
  33. 31rus
    31rus 11 December 2015 11: 38
    +5
    Dear, once again about the main thing, they write and comment on the site, they are far from children, although you read and there is just such a feeling, by the way, as the author points out, the leaders themselves do not mind exercising in harsh, albeit "veiled" comments, you need to start with yourself, but and simply exclude the too odious, all adults and responsibility, including for the written insult, should be, regardless of this one person or a "hidden" group (alas, there is such a thing)
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 December 2015 11: 56
      +1
      Quote: 31rus
      and simply exclude the too odious, all adults and responsibility, including for the written insult, should be, regardless of this one person or a "hidden" group (alas, there is such a thing)
      good Exactly. Adults must understand the measure of responsibility for their words
  34. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 11 December 2015 11: 43
    +7
    tried to criticize the cheers-patriots like that. They clamored like children, with no arguments. It’s just that one thing needs to be understood. When I criticize the actions of political decisions in the country and the actions, I don’t act against my country. And more simply, if I’m not mistaken, Karamzin said ....-Love for the homeland should not blind
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 December 2015 11: 58
      +5
      The minus for the looks, as it seems to me, is normal. Another thing is that fools run around in packs. And minus the pack right away ... Most of it is a drum in general, but there are those who really want to understand why? Maybe the truth is not the right view.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 11 December 2015 13: 22
        +3
        Dear domokl, I've noticed a long time ago that Messrs. Jews come running in a pack, and in an organized and cohesive manner, which is lacking in others on this site. As for the "uryakolok", to be honest, it is often not pleasant to read "bombing", "Poplars", "we have them now ...", etc. But you can't get away from this, the visitors are different and the perception of the world is different.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 11 December 2015 17: 53
        0
        Another thing is that fools run in packs. And immediately minus the pack ...


        Even the rating of your comment is not noticeable :).
    2. guzik007
      guzik007 11 December 2015 13: 23
      +4
      When I criticize in some way the actions of political decisions in the country and actions, then I do not act against my country.
      ------------------------------------
      And here it is absolutely for sure! I would add that a strong state is not afraid of criticism, let alone criticism of its citizens.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 11 December 2015 17: 54
        +1
        And here it is absolutely for sure! I would add that a strong state is not afraid of criticism, let alone criticism of its citizens.


        But criticism should be objective and not go into self-flagellation.
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  36. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 11 December 2015 11: 48
    +4
    I read comments on articles about Ukraine or on articles about the next "twist" of the West and create a stable impression that I got on Tsenzor. Only instead of the Ukrainian hooligans who are intoxicated with propaganda of the hopak, Russian trepak lovers write. The rest is almost no difference.
    So the people are one and the same, more confirmation. I once wrote in a similar way that reading the comments on the Ukrainian correspondent for the news about the arrival of our "Novorossiysk" in Sevastopol, I came to the conclusion that the style is exactly the same as that of our diaper wits about the theme of "the entry of a NATO ship into the Black Sea" yes
  37. 0255
    0255 11 December 2015 11: 53
    16
    I read comments on articles about Ukraine or on articles about the next "twist" of the West and create a stable impression that I got on Tsenzor. Only instead of the Ukrainian hooligans who are intoxicated with propaganda of the hopak, Russian trepak lovers write. The rest is almost no difference.

    I would not say that the comments on VO are very similar to the comments from the censor. There is no mate in VO in such quantities as theirs, we do not gloat with them like us about the crash of 5 combat aircraft and the Mi-28 helicopter in August, the Airbus in Egypt, the collapse of the barracks in Rostov, the downing of Su-24 and the death of its pilot. We have less hatred for Svidomo than they have for us. What about about Ukraine-so this is the problem of all Runet, the Maidan, Crimea and Donbass not weakly quarreled us

    I especially "like" the reaction to the Israeli flag. His very appearance is already causing a “stance” in hurray-patriots. A Jew means an enemy. I would have looked at such a patriot in a personal meeting, for example, with Atalef. May our Israeli readers forgive me, but this Russian physiognomy must be looked for. And fists are more suitable for a heavyweight boxer. And how many are scattered throughout Europe and America? Our people who once for various reasons turned out to be abroad, and not even from Russia, but from other former Soviet republics.

    Dear author, have you read the comments of Atalef, the professor and their other compatriots? For many Jews in VO, Russophobia is simply off scale, so why love them? They themselves, with their comments, cause a desire to minus them. They did not like the homeland where they were born, they left for the historical Godina - yes, health, their right, but why do they water the country where they were born? Or is it anti-Semitism to put a minus on the "chosen" professor and Atalef?
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 11 December 2015 13: 48
      +2
      Quote: 0255
      you are the comments of Atalef, professor

      Maybe we read different comments ?? Something I did not see in them, nor any Russophobia, and even more so stupidity .. I realized they’re probably writing nasty things to you .. Zionists take them from them .. laughing
  38. urapatriot
    urapatriot 11 December 2015 11: 54
    12
    "... Our people who once ended up abroad for various reasons, and not even from Russia, but from other former republics of the USSR ..."
    "Our" people who find themselves abroad too often prove their loyalty to their new homeland, trying in every possible way to lower their former homeland. And in my opinion, there are not many good reasons in the world why a person can leave his native country at a difficult time for her.
  39. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 11 December 2015 11: 54
    +6
    AdekvatNICK
    tried to criticize the cheers-patriots like that. Zaminusili like children, with no arguments.

    hi
    I agree.
    Plus or minus, this is also a kind of comment on your comment. It is not clear why many are minus without arguments? Or they are SHAKING to show their ignorance in the matter, and they put the minus because it is not funny. Or so along the way - to whom minus to whom plus.
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 December 2015 12: 07
      +4
      There is a third option: when a comment is so stupid that you don’t even want to comment on ignorance. Especially a lot of these in articles on technical and geopolitical issues
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 11 December 2015 12: 16
        +4
        domokl
        There is a third option: when a comment is so stupid that you don’t even want to comment on ignorance. Especially a lot of these in articles on technical and geopolitical issues

        I agree that there is a third option.
        But in recent times, discussions of technology and geopolitics have become much less. There is almost no one to discuss with!
        You open any topic ... and read: only C-300! C-400! Shoot down everyone! Give arms to everyone! Leaked! You dumb don't understand! etc. etc. (best case scenario).
        It seems that somewhere in the gateway with drunks you communicate.
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  40. 3axap82
    3axap82 11 December 2015 11: 58
    +8
    Only supporters of the existing government are radicalized here. For attacking her "in times of severe trial."
    Radicalism? Write "Let us make the Stalin Strait instead of the United States", "For the death penalty" "We will enter NATO, but only once and for a short time" they will teach you the advantages. Write something critical of the authorities and God forbid Putin, at best it will be "0" and 20 - for 20 against. There are no liberals here at all, but there are those who are suspected of liberalism.
    Rude and boors must be banned immediately. Let them learn to write decently.
    In general, it is better to conduct a constructive dialogue, but the parties do not have the main thing - the arguments.
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 December 2015 12: 09
      +5
      No. You can give an example of a constructive article about power or politics. When they write in an argumentative manner it's hard to argue. I can't stand Kurginyan, but arguing with him is not enough intelligence and knowledge. Less know him the ins and outs of various actions.
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 11 December 2015 18: 29
        +3
        Kurginyan is a speaker who has no equal in Russia now. BUT his goals are not clear to me and I can not understand his point of view. You have to call the enemy an enemy, your friend is a friend openly, otherwise you are not a politician and people will not follow you (actually, not according to the ratings of the Levada Center).
        There can be no constructive articles about politics. Dialogue readers can.
        Politics is not a way of governing the state, it is the ART of conquering, holding and using power. If a person does not know what he will do after becoming the leader of the country, he is not afraid for power with POWER, he is not a politician. And she took root in a real leader, a political clown. Why am I writing this? It's just that politics is a struggle, and any political article is one point of view imposed by the author, and if there are several points of view in the article, then this is already analytical.
    2. gla172
      gla172 11 December 2015 12: 22
      +1
      I generally can not understand about these pros and cons, in my opinion it is possible without them ..... the main thing is the opinion ....
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 11 December 2015 18: 34
        +3
        So also good articles will be "bypassed" because of the negative attitude to the event or fact described in it. Example: there was an article about the copying of Russian RPG-7 hand grenade launchers in the USA. The article is very interesting, the author tried, but he was "minus", or rather not him, but the actions of the United States described there. They wanted to express negativity towards the United States, but shit on the author))))
  41. IAlex
    IAlex 11 December 2015 12: 04
    +4
    As there was in the cartoon: "Yes, baby - this is Russia, which the mind cannot understand because instead of adequate rules, fickle concepts" ...
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  43. Egor123
    Egor123 11 December 2015 12: 07
    +1
    I agree with the author of the article. It is always necessary to assess the situation soundly from both sides, and not just write meaningless comments on the topic of the article. Let at least what age you have, but since you want to discuss something, you need to think sensibly.
  44. Aleksander
    Aleksander 11 December 2015 12: 11
    +3
    If he is a communist, then he is not just a communist, he does not accept a different worldview at all. If a liberal, then liberalism is sacred. So everyone has.

    All radicals. But for ordinary commentators (and, in my opinion, they are, nevertheless, the majority), the foreign point of view does not cause such a sharp rejection. And the world is made, nevertheless, more complicated and is not divided only into communists and liberals. For me, the ideology of both is unacceptable, for example, but I respect their point of view ...
  45. gla172
    gla172 11 December 2015 12: 15
    +4
    Comrade Avtor, but you didn’t think about the fact that you, in principle, are the radical himself, once you make such statements (I’m not a radical, but everyone should have their own understanding of what is happening).
  46. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 11 December 2015 12: 15
    +8
    IMHO, our official propaganda is to blame for the inadequate comments on the pages of VO. Watching political programs on TV gives the impression that Russia is constantly oppressed, beat and humiliated with impunity (evidence, Ukraine, Novorossiya, a downed plane), and we behave like an insulted schoolgirl, if we respond, it’s somehow inept (Turkish tomatoes were banned) , then all the ladies on TV began to argue how much the tomatoes went up, and the authorities ineptly justified themselves, if they went up, then a little bit). The same is true in domestic politics - only slogans and Gorbachevism, such as dada. I will. It doesn’t appear annoying for people rooting for their homeland, but excuse me not as sophisticated as our lights.
  47. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 11 December 2015 12: 25
    15
    I wonder if the article is the opinion of the author or the administration of the site?
    And what conclusions should everyone draw? Everyone should be afraid of the Jews? Shouldn't argue or answer anyone? Should the Communists shut up? Look at all "state affairs" with devotion and sticking out their tongue? Isn't all this "Ehoimosvy" smelling?
    "Own" can do anything, "stranger" nothing?
    All attacks on the Jews in my memory, and this is about five years, only in response to their shit on Russia and its affairs. Why, for example, practically no one writes bad things to Aaron Zaavi or Voyaka Uh ... although they are also under the Israeli flag? personal fighting qualities of a certain "bat", but forgot to mention its bulletproofness. Believe me, few people are afraid of them here.
    Of course, there is an unacceptable scope for controversy, but often moderators also sin. At the beginning of each topic, you will always see a couple.
    Regarding obscenities and insults, I agree completely. But only in the framework of the dictionary! And what happens if I say that Europe is a pederast territory ... so I offend our emigrants too?
    As for the radicals ... Power is not a reinforced concrete structure, unshakable and eternal. It's just a group of people who have broken through to government, in the wake of a momentary incident and their abilities. And tomorrow other people will come and shove the previous ones. And who will be able to any At the cost of retaining power, he will be right. The rest is verbiage. Laws and history are written by the winners. And if you want to live as you wish, then be prepared to defend your opinion at ANY PRICE. And if you are not ready, sooner or later you will be swept away by those who ready. So far, the power in Russia is doing everything within the country so that the country is plunged into chaos. I will immediately say I am against revolutions and chaos.
    And most importantly, those who are trying to drive others into a stall may themselves end up in a slaughterhouse. History contains a lot of examples. A people is not a herd, and who does not understand it ALWAYS finishes badly.
    I am sure that in case of war, all our internal conflicts will end and we will stand shoulder to shoulder, regardless of different views.
    Only Russia is important.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 11 December 2015 13: 46
      +2
      I completely agree with you, because I wrote about this above.
      Why, for example, almost no one writes bad Aron Zawi or Warrior Wow ... although they are also under the Israeli flag?

      And here I will support you. Men always write wisely, and most importantly do not blame Russia.
  48. CONTROL
    CONTROL 11 December 2015 12: 44
    +4
    Article - minus! did not set ...
    Do not be ashamed to translate the discussion of articles into a discussion of the authors or the views of any of the commentators.
    ... and articles and comments are the views of both authors and commentators - they characterize a person as a person! and here - there is something to discuss ... But - no need! ...
    in a personal meeting, for example, with Atalef. Forgive me, our Israeli readers, but such a Russian physiognomy must be sought. And fists are more suitable for a heavyweight boxer.
    Have you seen Levon Oganezov on TV? Is the pianist excellent, with Leshchenko and Vinokur? Here he has the "paws" of the hammer! And Kostya Tszyu, with the brushes and fingers of a violin virtuoso? ...
    Boys, from among those who cannot see or see anything beyond the keyboard, are trying to take a leading position on the site. They are trying to become the face of the site. Not educated? So what. But arrogant and energetic. As a last resort, there is always an old, proven "self".
    It is because of your ignorance.
    ... But it never occurred to me - could the site serve to solve the problem of "educating the uneducated"? What a challenge! - but not much nobler than there is always a shepherd and a whip on any goat. And this shepherd will drive the goat to where it should be. To the farmyard.
    ---------
    The reasons for Internet rudeness are different; the main thing, of course, is impunity! And the author of the article chose tactics - vicious! - "to overdo the boor"! There is a good - unprintable, true - proverb: do not touch ... it, it will not be ...! They write in a personal: there is a black list! Minus - forget it! Do not join evil, fight FOR GOOD! and not with evil ...
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 December 2015 13: 05
      10
      An article again from the series - how are our "relatives" of Israeli Jews being offend here, and yet they are so sweet and defenseless like the lambs of God lol
      And then there is a warning on the "physical level" for those who did not understand that one of them, Atalef, is mighty and terrible in anger, and if something finds and beat you lol
      Quote: article
      I would have looked at such a patriot in a personal meeting, for example, with Atalef. Forgive me, our Israeli readers, but such a Russian physiognomy must be sought. Yes, and fists are more suitable for a heavyweight boxer

      That is, Atalef, in fact, we have a Russian and even a boxer smile and everyone is quickly afraid of hiding under the sofa who does not agree with his opinion of the inveterate Russophobe.
      The article is only a minus. By the way, this is the second article to the glory of this user.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 11 December 2015 14: 20
        +2
        Quote: quilted jacket
        An article again from the series - how are our "relatives" of Israeli Jews being offend here, and yet they are so sweet and defenseless like the lambs of God lol
        And then there is a warning on the "physical level" for those who did not understand that one of them, Atalef, is mighty and terrible in anger, and if something finds and beat you lol
        The article is only a minus. By the way, this is the second article to the glory of this user.

        Did you watch the cartoon as a child? "... Do not say that you are strong - you will meet a stronger one! Do not say that you are smart - you will meet a smarter one! Do not say that you are brave - you will meet ..." Atalef?
        ... About the beauty there, though - the hitch came out! ...
        ... Now go away! This is my well! ...
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 11 December 2015 15: 25
          +5
          Quote: CONTROL
          Did you watch the cartoon as a child? "... Do not say that you are strong - you will meet a stronger one! Do not say that you are smart - you will meet a smarter one! Do not say that you are brave - you will meet ..." Atalef?

          Absolutely correct, the main point is that if you are for Russia, if you are a patriot of the country (well, maybe a little with "excesses"), then you are wrong, and if you do not agree that you are wrong, then the mighty and terrible Atalef will come and with the help of physical strength (with the power of his intellect, he is unlikely to be able to do this) will convince you that you are wrong and the whole truth is that Putin is bad and in general our country supports the "terrorists" Hamas and Hezbollah and various Iran and Syria, that is, it is fundamentally to blame everywhere.
          And our only way to "throw off" Putin is to bring Khodorkovsky to power and start "licking the heels" of the United States and Israel, the mighty fighter for democracy around the world, and the harder we "lick the heels", especially Israel, the more dollars and shekels we will have and the faster get rich and happy.
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            11 December 2015 18: 41
            0
            Two (c) Lavrov is the power ...
  49. Snail N9
    Snail N9 11 December 2015 12: 52
    10
    As I understood the promise of the article: "do not write here on the forum what we (who? Moderators? Friends of moderators? Or?) Do not like." We love to hide behind either "tolerance", "sometimes concern for the working people," etc. And noticing a "speck" in the eye of another, they do not see "a beam in their own eye." Like everyone here on the forum should be "urakryakalkami" and no less, and God forbid, someone out there will express something against the "titular nation" or against the "party policy". But, I have a different opinion - if, for example, a person writes something negative against someone, or something, why are the moderators or whoever else is there, immediately label him as a "provocateur", "troll", etc. .? Maybe this means that he is simply boiling over, and he has some negative experience related to this topic, why should he be "shut up" here? Due to the fact that it's just that someone decisive here on the forum, was brought up in "blinders" and got used to thinking in "patterns" and he doesn't like what goes against his opinion? is this the "pluralism" of opinions? I fundamentally disagree with the author.
  50. press officer
    press officer 11 December 2015 13: 00
    +3
    Quote: rotmistr60
    So what should be the reaction to such a direct meanness of one Jew (with sympathizers). And how many comments from the same "flying Jew" who constantly insults Russia? At least you rarely look in the mirror. How to teach Russians how to live, you are right there. As soon as you get a word across, you start to let the nuns start. It's still amazing how the Holocaust was not launched under this. It's time to have a conscience. Kohl fled to another country, so do not teach us how to live (this is for the "flying"). Why some guys under your flag write reasonably and no one has a negative attitude towards them.


    I agree 100% with you! good The Israeli flag didn’t touch me (I don’t pay attention to the flags on this site), but he also managed to bring me to a decent (but female) message with his insults repeat to such a mother repeat , after which they banned me altogether ... or because the gentleman was with the Israeli flag No. and didn’t smell of human conversation with him at all? belay
    And to me in PM (which no one will recognize! request ) strange messages come from men asking to help them financially (from Romanov or Roman .. I don’t remember already .. recourse ) and he is like an admin ... maybe he didn’t send his request to me ...? belay a couple of times someone else from the site, threw off obvious libersty articles from the category "wevseumrempokaPutinzhiv"! So the article is certainly correct, but somehow one-sided. The topic is painful, but to say that we put cons only for flags is complete garbage! I'm not putting anything, well, maybe 0 for a concept. yes And do not threaten .. stop we are polite people and, moreover, all adults. yes
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 11 December 2015 13: 32
      +3
      or because the lord was with the Israeli flag

      One of the moderators can easily do this. And N will result in the number of reasons for your not being right.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 11 December 2015 14: 23
      +1
      Quote: press attache
      And do not threaten .. stop we are polite people and, moreover, all adults. yes

      ... and besides - some are armed!