Crews of transport aviation ZVO work out "Afghan" takeoffs and landings in the Leningrad region

Crews of the mixed transport aviation regiment are working out the complex elements of piloting at the Levashovo airfield in the Leningrad region, reports MIC with reference to the press service of the ZVO.

It is noted that “An-12, An-26, An-72 and Mi-8MTV-5 helicopters” participate in the trainings.

“A special feature of performing tasks will be the working off by crews of the so-called“ Afghan ”takeoffs and landings: vertical maneuvers with a sharp set or loss of height. This maneuver is used by the crews of transport aircraft with the threat of defeat of the aircraft by portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS) in the immediate vicinity of the airfield ", Says the release.

According to the press service, “the crews will also have to work out approaches with the conditional defeat of the aircraft by means of electronic warfare and the loss of the primary and backup communication channels with the flight leader.”

Comments

[fox21h]

Unfortunately, this is a necessity, not just training ...

[kil 31]

"Afghan" take-offs and landings in the Leningrad region

What is it like. Can these exercises be carried out in highlands?

[family tree]

Quote: keel 31

What is it like. Can these exercises be carried out in highlands?

It’s better to ask VTAshnikov, but the point is in a very fast loss of height, as they explained to me True, as far as I remember, it worked mainly IL-76

[ancient]

Quote: perepilka

It’s better to ask VTAshnikov, but the point is in a very fast loss of height, as they explained to me

Correctly explained, but the most important thing .. "not to fall out" for a 4-kilometer circle (or funnel) ... no loss of altitude will save you from the DShK

Why did VTashniki ... flew like this all and on all types ... even "shuravi" on su-7 ... burned ... well, ours on everything
The most important thing is to comply with the regime - not too early, but not too late MG .. better higher than lower .. watch the temperature n.v. , and then on .. "alignment" maybe .. not enough ... you will bite the ground .. or a progressive goat .. well .... the butt can be whistled .. so you can do everything with an ax and .. forward.
On the "whistles" it is still not very noticeable .. these "freaks", but on the An-12 and Il-76 .. honestly ... to look ... it's scary

[gladcu2]

Ancient

The terminology about "whistles" is familiar.

Thermal imagers save from DShK. Still, helicopter pilots are constantly guarding the airfields.

Something tells me that with Syria, only the beginning begins. Although logically should not. But Wang, all the time does not go out of his head.

[avia1991]

Quote: gladcu2

Something tells me that with Syria, only the beginning begins.

It is unlikely that it is in Syria. Preparations are underway for a major war in which database zones will be scattered throughout the Middle East, and logistics using the BTA will be the main, or one of the main ones, and the tasks that will have to be solved will require the use of all types of transport aircraft.
What is hard to imagine is the "Afghan" landing of the An-124 ..

[bragin]

Quote: avia1991

What is hard to imagine is the "Afghan" landing of An-124

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[avia1991]

Quote: bragin

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??
You, sorry, what the hell are laying out here ?!
I understand, birthday and all that .. What does the footnote to the "Afghan landing" of "Ruslan" have to do with it ?!

[family tree]

Quote: ancient

. "do not fall out" for a 4-kilometer circle (or funnel) ... no loss of height soldier will save you from the DShK

Hello, Sergey, have not seen each other for a long time
Vtashnik told me this, over a glass of tea, but that he, that you, a Chinese letter, are not a pilot, as it were, more affordable for us earthlings.

[family tree]

Quote: ancient

. "do not fall out" for a 4-kilometer circle (or funnel) ... no loss of height soldier will save you from the DShK

Hello, Sergey, have not seen each other for a long time
Vtashnik told me this, over a glass of tea, but that he, that you, a Chinese letter, are not a pilot, as it were, more affordable for us earthlings.

[family tree]

Twos, however.
Where did the leader go, on the 28th, commander? Although, I myself anyway glad

[Flex]

The essence of the Afghan approach and recruitment is that the aircraft performs these maneuvers in a limited radius of the order of 3-5 km, which is under the protection of our troops, well, and accordingly for the minimum time --- and for this, before the descent, landing gear spoilers are issued
An Afghan approach is available to any aircraft. Yes, in principle, for a pilot of average skill
Going out to the airfield, letting out - three - four turns in a spiral and you're on the ground

[Flex]

The essence of the Afghan approach and recruitment is that the aircraft performs these maneuvers in a limited radius of the order of 3-5 km, which is under the protection of our troops, well, and accordingly for the minimum time --- and for this, before the descent, landing gear spoilers are issued
An Afghan approach is available to any aircraft. Yes, in principle, for a pilot of average skill
Going out to the airfield, letting out - three - four turns in a spiral and you're on the ground

[family tree]

Quote: fleks

An Afghan approach is available to any aircraft. Yes, in principle, for a pilot of average skill

Well, yes, there, twist the spiral, with a large step vertically and in rooseveltate, rub the airplane onto the runway, and so that the chassis runs along it without breaking

Average level

[fzr1000]

A little off topic, but beautiful

[dauria]

True, as far as I remember, it worked mainly IL-76

IL-76 did not land far everywhere. The An-12 and An-26 were just the workhorse. And they decreased very sharply, up to 20 meters per second. A bucket from the wings rolled to the cabin, and the people were green with happiness. Kunduz. An-12 board 11240 with aeroflot painting

[dauria]

But a couple of times I had to get with the Afghans, so those "maneuvers" did not bother, and in the evenings they turned on the BANO and sparkled like a New Year tree. And the smell in the cockpit is as if a bucket of kerosene was spilled in the barn ...
An-26 of the Afghan army.

[family tree]

Quote: dauria

An-26

This little one drove me, in the north, on a bench along the side, mdy, that's where you can’t sleep, as in the 24th

[testerman]

Not at all, they slept like those killed in the service, and in civilian life I fall asleep right away in isolation ..... which I cannot do on modern long-haul ones.

[family tree]

Quote: testerman

They didn’t sleep like those killed in the service.

Well, there I was, somehow in a trench I managed, standing, not touching the walls, and the AKM remained in my hands, the sergeant woke up, writing off, they say, on the machine, no way, then my eyes opened

and in civilian life I fall asleep right away in isolation ..

Well, what’s to say, a habit, I have something else, no matter what train I go in, how it starts to go along the arrows, to the platform, I immediately wake

[gladcu2]

dauria

It’s hard for IL to go out on all these maneuvers. IL engines, turbines. Those are very critical for low speeds. Screw ones have better traction on small ones. If the speed is better, but it doesn’t work out, then the screw is not critical.

And with turbines it’s more complicated. The thrust there grows more slowly.

[avia1991]

Quote: gladcu2

And with turbines it’s more complicated. The thrust there grows more slowly.

Sorry - you're wrong. Even if only because it is SAME THE MOST to unscrew the screw, in fact, the engine is harder than the compressor - the inertia is greater. Yes, and the amount of traction differs significantly.
As for the dependence of traction on speed, the required power depends on speed, but not traction.
There is such a concept - "coefficient of fugacity", or aerodynamic quality. It is a number indicating the ratio of the lift coefficient to the drag force coefficient. The larger it is, the more stable the plane is at low speeds. This is a real characteristic!
And here are two numbers for you to think about:
aerodynamic quality of IL-76 - 15,5
same An-12 - 15,5 ..
That is, ceteris paribus, the probability of stalling these aircraft at low speeds is not too different.

[Cook]

I’ll disappoint you a bit, and there are turbines both there and there, because Anah engines are turboprop. As for the time of thrust growth during gas supply, or as it is customary to say engine throttle response, it is much less for any turbojet engine than for a turboprop. The ratio is approximately the following: when the engine control lever is switched from idle to the take-off mode, the turbojet engine goes into take-off mode in 5 seconds, and the turbine engine in 10 seconds.

[parafoiler]

From simple to complex. And only then to the mountains. Otherwise, a full mouth of earth ...

[bulvas]

Hard to learn - easy in battle

[ancient]

Quote: keel 31

What is it like. Can these exercises be carried out in highlands?

Everything is done gradually ... in Ulan-Uda, you can even start now .. there is a circle of 1500 meters .. if the memory does not change

But .. the real Afghan gradient is ... "forget the instructions completely and only with the pens and .. the place where you sit, well, with the eye" control "of the runway threshold ... nothing else

And whether the Command and the Security Service will agree to such .. "violations" ... I personally doubt it.
Well, so that there is not a lot of "bookFF2 watching a movie ... especially at the checkpoint and PNP, gu and other devices AUASP, Variometer, UVID, etc. and ... visually ... of course ... that's what it is .. . "Afghani" gradient

[family tree]

Quote: ancient

.. "forget the instructions completely and only with pens and .. in the place where you sit

And who thought up that the 76th transporter, and not a dive, or not top-end, yes, nafig, legend, his name, not looking at all Ana, with everything, my respect

[Freelancer7]

Afiget !!! Thank you for the video!

[MIKHALYCH1]

In Afghanistan, our pilots were aces and risked, fearing nothing and nothing .. Yes, and in Syria the same thing! Our best! The main thing is that they do it not for money .. Such is the nature of the Russians!

[vadson]

"Life will make you not so rash" - a familiar phrase? better to be able and not to be useful than vice versa

[ancient]

Quote: vadson

"Life will make you not so rash" - a familiar phrase? better be able to

Even in our time in the "school" in the 3rd year already .. "passed" .. now the same ... already ... "introduce" .. though unfortunately ... not everywhere

[Gardener91]

Quote: ancient

Quote: vadson

"Life will make you not so rash" - a familiar phrase? better be able to

Even in our time in the "school" in the 3rd year already .. "passed" .. now the same ... already ... "introduce" .. though unfortunately ... not everywhere

HVVAUL 1988 on L-39 2nd year, familiarization was serious.

[Lord of the Sith]

Apparently they will be attracted to the distant garrison of CAA.

[Lord of the Sith]

For the period from September 30 to December 9, 2015 (72 days) by the group
3500 sorties completed
Destroyed ISIS facilities 7
Control points and communication centers 620
Terrorist Training Camps 64
Arms factories 73
Ammunition and fuel depots 384
Strongpoints 817
Field camps and various bases over 800
Oil tankers over 1500

[From Samara]

Asa flew in Afghanistan!

[Dr. Bormental]

The farther, the cooler ...

[passenger]

Something pres service ZVO chatting too much.

[Ze Kot]

Since spring, they have been circling almost without ceasing. From morning to night. So whoever needs it knows

[givigor71]

The native regiment flies ...

[Aleksandr1959]

During the Chechen events, the scheduled Tu-154 left Akhtubinsk for Chkalovskaya with a climb over a point in a spiral. Similarly, landing. Since not only military personnel flew on this board ... the rest had a lot of impressions.

[Goldmitro]

Quote: fox21h

Unfortunately, this is a necessity, not just training ...

It seems that the option of blocking the Bosphorus for our ships is not excluded, and then the entire burden of supplying our contingent in Syria will fall on transport aviation, for which our "partners" in the fight against IS from the coalition led by Fushington are already supplying "moderate opposition" MANPADS!

[Bronik]

I experienced such a landing on myself, my ears ached for about five hours. Then my head was whole.

[Mainbeam]

They are preparing for war.
Maybe there was information about the presence of MANPADS in barmaley?

[Anisim1977]

Afghanistan is on its way. And Syria is already in full steam. So this is now the most common training, but no less difficult - difficult tasks, difficult preparation.

[Grabberxnumx]

Today the wind is still buzzing strongly .. I live near the beginning of the glide path. Men often train at night and in adverse weather conditions, rain, wind and so on.

[shura7782]

In Bagram, I very often saw how in the air above an aerodrome in a confined space there were more than fifty planes landing or taking off in tight formation in a steep spiral. Among the pilots were both young lieutenants and old colonels. The sight is amazing. Our pilots on the Su-17m4r were given only a few days to master.

[gladcu2]

Tra-ta-ta

This technique is called "combat turn".

[Tra-ta-ta]

And I really remember the departure of Our pros in the 90's from the airfield of Chkalovsk (Kaliningrad), when the airplanes in the afterburner left the hatched airfield through a dead loop on takeoff with a barrel to the east ...
Cattle and traitors are still in our government ...

[Turkestan]

“A special feature of the missions will be the training by the crews of the so-called“ Afghan ”takeoffs and landings:

I would have supplemented the CREW LEGAL training for working with ASO-2I and KDS-155 aircraft protection systems for these flights

[atamankko]

Here the cheat sheets will not help, only the skill and crew flaccidity.

[zgd_se_1955]

Let them fly more often ... Mattress mats have already been put in their pants ... Maybe they’ll get a little smarter?

[dchegrinec]

Russia will not leave anywhere from the Middle East, so such training is very useful.

[SeAl2014]

I watched. With the Ring Road, the work of transport workers in Levashovo is clearly visible. Impressive!