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Crews of transport aviation ZVO work out "Afghan" takeoffs and landings in the Leningrad region

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Crews of the mixed transport aviation regiment are working out the complex elements of piloting at the Levashovo airfield in the Leningrad region, reports MIC with reference to the press service of the ZVO.


Crews of transport aviation ZVO work out "Afghan" takeoffs and landings in the Leningrad region


It is noted that “An-12, An-26, An-72 and Mi-8MTV-5 helicopters” participate in the trainings.

“A special feature of performing tasks will be the working off by crews of the so-called“ Afghan ”takeoffs and landings: vertical maneuvers with a sharp set or loss of height. This maneuver is used by the crews of transport aircraft with the threat of defeat of the aircraft by portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS) in the immediate vicinity of the airfield ", Says the release.

According to the press service, “the crews will also have to work out approaches with the conditional defeat of the aircraft by means of electronic warfare and the loss of the primary and backup communication channels with the flight leader.”
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  1. fox21h
    fox21h 10 December 2015 18: 32 New
    12
    Unfortunately, this is a necessity, not just training ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 10 December 2015 18: 36 New
      +3
      "Afghan" take-offs and landings in the Leningrad region
      What is it like. Can these exercises be carried out in highlands?
      1. family tree
        family tree 10 December 2015 18: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: keel 31
        What is it like. Can these exercises be carried out in highlands?

        It’s better to ask VTAshnikov, but the point is in a very fast loss of height, as they explained to me what True, as far as I remember, it worked mainly IL-76
        1. ancient
          ancient 10 December 2015 19: 36 New
          +8
          Quote: perepilka
          It’s better to ask VTAshnikov, but the point is in a very fast loss of height, as they explained to me


          Правильно объяснили но и самое главное .."не вывалиться" за 4-х километровый круг (или воронку)...от ДШК не спасёт ни какая потеря высоты soldier

          Почему ВТАшники..летали так все и на всех типах..даже "шурави" на су-7-х..отжигали...ну а наши на всём soldier
          Самое главное соблюсти режим- не слишком рано,но и не поздно МГ..лучше выше,чем ниже..смотри за температурой н.в. ,а то на .."выравнивание" может и..не хватить...цапнешь землю..или прогрессирующего козла..ну и....торец можно просвистеть..поэтомуююювсё топором и..вперёд.
          На "свистках" это ещё не очень заметно..эти "выкрутасы", а вот на Ан-12-х и Ил-76..честно...смотреть...жутковато soldier
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 10 December 2015 21: 51 New
            +4
            Ancient

            Знакома терминология про "свистки".

            Thermal imagers save from DShK. Still, helicopter pilots are constantly guarding the airfields.

            Something tells me that with Syria, only the beginning begins. Although logically should not. But Wang, all the time does not go out of his head.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 11 December 2015 00: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: gladcu2
              Something tells me that with Syria, only the beginning begins.

              It is unlikely that it is in Syria. Preparations are underway for a major war in which database zones will be scattered throughout the Middle East, and logistics using the BTA will be the main, or one of the main ones, and the tasks that will have to be solved will require the use of all types of transport aircraft.
              Что трудно себе представить - это "афганскую" посадку Ан-124.. smile
              1. bragin
                bragin 11 December 2015 10: 41 New
                -2
                Quote: avia1991
                Что трудно себе представить - это "афганскую" посадку Ан-124

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                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 11 December 2015 17: 05 New
                  0
                  Quote: bragin
                  <iframe src="http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=177000857&id=165805423&hash=80e02cf01a

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                  ??
                  You, sorry, what the hell are laying out here ?!
                  Я понимаю, день рождения и все такое.. При чем здесь сноска на "афганскую посадку" "Руслана"?!
          2. family tree
            family tree 10 December 2015 22: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: ancient
            ."не вывалиться" за 4-х километровый круг (или воронку)...от ДШК не спасёт ни какая потеря высоты soldier

            Hello, Sergey, have not seen each other for a long time hi
            Vtashnik told me this, over a glass of tea, but that he, that you, a Chinese letter, are not a pilot, as it were, more affordable for us earthlings. belay
          3. family tree
            family tree 10 December 2015 22: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: ancient
            ."не вывалиться" за 4-х километровый круг (или воронку)...от ДШК не спасёт ни какая потеря высоты soldier

            Hello, Sergey, have not seen each other for a long time hi
            Vtashnik told me this, over a glass of tea, but that he, that you, a Chinese letter, are not a pilot, as it were, more affordable for us earthlings. belay
            1. family tree
              family tree 10 December 2015 23: 26 New
              +1
              Twos, however.
              Where did the leader go, on the 28th, commander? Although, I myself what anyway glad drinks
        2. fleks
          fleks 10 December 2015 20: 05 New
          +3
          The essence of the Afghan approach and recruitment is that the aircraft performs these maneuvers in a limited radius of the order of 3-5 km, which is under the protection of our troops, well, and accordingly for the minimum time --- and for this, before the descent, landing gear spoilers are issued
          An Afghan approach is available to any aircraft. Yes, in principle, for a pilot of average skill
          Going out to the airfield, letting out - three - four turns in a spiral and you're on the ground
        3. fleks
          fleks 10 December 2015 20: 05 New
          +4
          The essence of the Afghan approach and recruitment is that the aircraft performs these maneuvers in a limited radius of the order of 3-5 km, which is under the protection of our troops, well, and accordingly for the minimum time --- and for this, before the descent, landing gear spoilers are issued
          An Afghan approach is available to any aircraft. Yes, in principle, for a pilot of average skill
          Going out to the airfield, letting out - three - four turns in a spiral and you're on the ground
          1. family tree
            family tree 10 December 2015 23: 37 New
            +6
            Quote: fleks
            An Afghan approach is available to any aircraft. Yes, in principle, for a pilot of average skill

            Well, yes, there, twist the spiral, with a large step vertically and in rooseveltate, rub the airplane onto the runway, and so that the chassis runs along it without breaking

            Average level
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 11 December 2015 01: 09 New
              +5
              A little off topic, but beautiful
        4. dauria
          dauria 10 December 2015 20: 18 New
          +8
          True, as far as I remember, it worked mainly IL-76



          IL-76 did not land far everywhere. The An-12 and An-26 were just the workhorse. And they decreased very sharply, up to 20 meters per second. A bucket from the wings rolled to the cabin, and the people were green with happiness. laughing Kunduz. An-12 board 11240 with aeroflot painting
          1. dauria
            dauria 10 December 2015 21: 13 New
            +3
            А вот пару раз с афганцами добираться пришлось, так те "маневрами " не заморачивались, а по вечерам включали БАНО и сверкали, как новогодняя ёлка. А запах в кабине- как будто ведро керосина в хлеву разлили... laughing
            An-26 of the Afghan army.
            1. family tree
              family tree 10 December 2015 23: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: dauria
              An-26

              This little one drove me, in the north, on a bench along the side, mdy, that's where you can’t sleep, as in the 24th laughing
              1. testerman
                testerman 11 December 2015 17: 36 New
                +2
                Not at all, they slept like those killed in the service, and in civilian life I fall asleep right away in isolation ..... which I cannot do on modern long-haul ones.
                1. family tree
                  family tree 11 December 2015 18: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: testerman
                  They didn’t sleep like those killed in the service.

                  Well, there I was, somehow in a trench I managed, standing, not touching the walls, and the AKM remained in my hands, the sergeant woke up, writing off, they say, on the machine, no way, then my eyes opened request
                  and in civilian life I fall asleep right away in isolation ..
                  Well, what’s to say, a habit, I have something else, no matter what train I go in, how it starts to go along the arrows, to the platform, I immediately wake request
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 10 December 2015 21: 57 New
            0
            dauria

            It’s hard for IL to go out on all these maneuvers. IL engines, turbines. Those are very critical for low speeds. Screw ones have better traction on small ones. If the speed is better, but it doesn’t work out, then the screw is not critical.

            And with turbines it’s more complicated. The thrust there grows more slowly.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 11 December 2015 00: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: gladcu2
              And with turbines it’s more complicated. The thrust there grows more slowly.

              Sorry - you're wrong. Even if only because it is SAME THE MOST to unscrew the screw, in fact, the engine is harder than the compressor - the inertia is greater. Yes, and the amount of traction differs significantly.
              As for the dependence of traction on speed, the required power depends on speed, but not traction.
              Есть такое понятие - "коэффициент летучести", или аэродинамическое качество. Это число, показывающее отношение коэффициента подъемной силы к коэффициенту силы лобового сопротивления. Чем оно больше - тем устойчивее самолет на малых скоростях. Вот это - реальная характеристика!
              And here are two numbers for you to think about:
              aerodynamic quality of IL-76 - 15,5
              same An-12 - 15,5 ..

              That is, ceteris paribus, the probability of stalling these aircraft at low speeds is not too different.
            2. Cook
              Cook 11 December 2015 11: 26 New
              +4
              I’ll disappoint you a bit, and there are turbines both there and there, because Anah engines are turboprop. As for the time of thrust growth during gas supply, or as it is customary to say engine throttle response, it is much less for any turbojet engine than for a turboprop. The ratio is approximately the following: when the engine control lever is switched from idle to the take-off mode, the turbojet engine goes into take-off mode in 5 seconds, and the turbine engine in 10 seconds.
      2. parafoiler
        parafoiler 10 December 2015 18: 54 New
        +9
        From simple to complex. And only then to the mountains. Otherwise, a full mouth of earth ...
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 10 December 2015 19: 22 New
          +1
          Hard to learn - easy in battle
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      3. ancient
        ancient 10 December 2015 19: 32 New
        11
        Quote: keel 31
        What is it like. Can these exercises be carried out in highlands?


        Everything is done gradually ... in Ulan-Uda, you can even start now .. there is a circle of 1500 meters .. if the memory does not change wassat

        Но..настоящий афганский градиент это..."забудь инструкцию напрочь и только ручками и..тем место на котором сидишь,ну и глазным "контролем" за порогом ВПП...больше никак soldier

        А пойдёт ли Командование и Служба безопасности на такие.."нарушения"...лично сомневаюсь.
        Ну а что бы не было много "букFF2 смотрим кино..особенно на КПП и ПНП,гу и остальные приборы АУАСП,Вариометр,УВИД и т.д. и...визуально..конечно...вот это и есть..."афганский" градиент" soldier

        1. family tree
          family tree 11 December 2015 00: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: ancient
          .."забудь инструкцию напрочь и только ручками и..тем место на котором сидишь

          And who thought up that the 76th transporter, and not a dive, or not top-end, yes, nafig, legend, his name, not looking at all Ana, with everything, my respect hi
        2. Freelancer7
          Freelancer7 11 December 2015 00: 41 New
          +1
          Afiget !!! Thank you for the video!
    2. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 10 December 2015 18: 38 New
      +2
      In Afghanistan, our pilots were aces and risked, fearing nothing and nothing .. Yes, and in Syria the same thing! hi Our best! The main thing is that they do it not for money .. Such is the nature of the Russians!
    3. vadson
      vadson 10 December 2015 18: 42 New
      +5
      "жизнь заставит не так раскорячишься" - знакомая фраза? лучше уметь и чтоб не пригодилось чем наоборот
      1. ancient
        ancient 10 December 2015 19: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: vadson
        "жизнь заставит не так раскорячишься" - знакомая фраза? лучше уметь


        Ещё в наше время в "школе" на 3-м курсе уже .."проходили"..сейчас то же... уже..."знакомят"..правда к сожалению...не везде recourse

        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 10 December 2015 22: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: ancient
          Quote: vadson
          "жизнь заставит не так раскорячишься" - знакомая фраза? лучше уметь


          Ещё в наше время в "школе" на 3-м курсе уже .."проходили"..сейчас то же... уже..."знакомят"..правда к сожалению...не везде recourse


          HVVAUL 1988 on L-39 2nd year, familiarization was serious.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 10 December 2015 19: 12 New
      +1
      Apparently they will be attracted to the distant garrison of CAA.
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 10 December 2015 19: 36 New
      +6
      For the period from September 30 to December 9, 2015 (72 days) by the group
      3500 sorties completed
      Destroyed ISIS facilities 7
      Control points and communication centers 620
      Terrorist Training Camps 64
      Arms factories 73
      Ammunition and fuel depots 384
      Strongpoints 817
      Field camps and various bases over 800
      Oil tankers over 1500
  2. From Samara
    From Samara 10 December 2015 18: 36 New
    +2
    Asa flew in Afghanistan!
  3. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 10 December 2015 18: 36 New
    +1
    The farther, the cooler ...
  4. putnik
    putnik 10 December 2015 18: 39 New
    +5
    Something pres service ZVO chatting too much.
    1. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 11 December 2015 09: 50 New
      0
      Since spring, they have been circling almost without ceasing. From morning to night. So whoever needs it knows wink
  5. givigor71
    givigor71 10 December 2015 18: 42 New
    +3
    The native regiment flies ...
  6. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 10 December 2015 18: 48 New
    +7
    During the Chechen events, the scheduled Tu-154 left Akhtubinsk for Chkalovskaya with a climb over a point in a spiral. Similarly, landing. Since not only military personnel flew on this board ... the rest had a lot of impressions.
  7. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 10 December 2015 18: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: fox21h
    Unfortunately, this is a necessity, not just training ...

    Похоже, не исключается вариант блокирования Босфора для наших кораблей и тогда вся тяжесть снабжения нашего контингента в Сирии ляжет на транспортную авиацию, для встречи которой наши "партнеры" по борьбе с ИГ из коалиции под началом Фашингтона уже поставляют "умеренной оппозиции" ПЗРК!
  8. bronik
    bronik 10 December 2015 19: 06 New
    +4
    I experienced such a landing on myself, my ears ached for about five hours. Then my head was whole.
  9. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 10 December 2015 19: 21 New
    +1
    They are preparing for war.
    Maybe there was information about the presence of MANPADS in barmaley?
  10. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 10 December 2015 19: 27 New
    +1
    Afghanistan is on its way. And Syria is already in full steam. So this is now the most common training, but no less difficult - difficult tasks, difficult preparation.
  11. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 10 December 2015 19: 35 New
    +1
    Today the wind is still buzzing strongly .. I live near the beginning of the glide path. Men often train at night and in adverse weather conditions, rain, wind and so on.
  12. shura7782
    shura7782 10 December 2015 20: 07 New
    +6
    In Bagram, I very often saw how in the air above an aerodrome in a confined space there were more than fifty planes landing or taking off in tight formation in a steep spiral. Among the pilots were both young lieutenants and old colonels. The sight is amazing. Our pilots on the Su-17m4r were given only a few days to master.
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      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 10 December 2015 22: 43 New
        0
        Tra-ta-ta

        Этот приём называется "боевой разворот".
    2. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 10 December 2015 22: 54 New
      +2
      And I really remember the departure of Our pros in the 90's from the airfield of Chkalovsk (Kaliningrad), when the airplanes in the afterburner left the hatched airfield through a dead loop on takeoff with a barrel to the east ...
      Cattle and traitors are still in our government ...
  13. Turkestan
    Turkestan 10 December 2015 23: 12 New
    +1
    «Особенностью выполнения задач станет отработка экипажами так называемых "афганских" взлётов и посадок:

    I would have supplemented the CREW LEGAL training for working with ASO-2I and KDS-155 aircraft protection systems for these flights
  14. atamankko
    atamankko 10 December 2015 23: 45 New
    0
    Here the cheat sheets will not help, only the skill and crew flaccidity.
  15. zgd_se_1955
    zgd_se_1955 11 December 2015 04: 14 New
    0
    Let them fly more often ... Mattress mats have already been put in their pants ... Maybe they’ll get a little smarter?
  16. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 11 December 2015 05: 51 New
    0
    Russia will not leave anywhere from the Middle East, so such training is very useful.
  17. SeAl2014
    SeAl2014 11 December 2015 08: 56 New
    +1
    I watched. With the Ring Road, the work of transport workers in Levashovo is clearly visible. Impressive!