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Foreign Affairs: Obama was not going to fight with Russia because of Ukraine

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Barack Obama "did not intend to take the risk of war with Russia for the sake of Ukraine," his task is to make Moscow pay for "violation of international norms," ​​writes Foreign Affairs.




At one of the meetings, Obama said: "If I wanted to invade Canada or Mexico, no one could do anything special about it." The same applies to relations between Russia and Ukraine.

According to the newspaper, “Obama considered it necessary to make Russia pay for the violation, in his opinion, of international norms”.

“The question was how to do it,” the Foreign Affairs newspaper quotes Look - Military escalation in this context would be a game in which Russia would win. But in an escalation of the sanctions, the United States could win if Obama managed to keep the European states on his side. ”

“This was the challenge,” explains the magazine, “because many European countries were more dependent on Russian energy supplies than the United States, and, accordingly, were more vulnerable to retaliation from Russia. They also opposed the risk of war over Ukraine. If Obama had gone up the military ladder, then, as he knew, they would have jumped off the sanctions regime. ”

"In this case, Obama's policy worked, in any case, as of autumn 2015, because the unity of the West as a whole remains," the author believes.

However, "the probable goal of Russia was also achieved, which was to prevent Ukraine from coming closer to the West," he notes.

“If Obama and Western European countries wanted to strike back in this direction, then economic aid worth tens of billions of dollars would mean much more than a few hundred anti-tank missiles,” writes the magazine. “But, apart from the relatively meager handouts of the IMF, nobody seemed to follow this path.”

The author also points to the fact that “Obama personally imposed a ban on the provision of so-called lethal defensive weapons to Kiev.”

And "for the provision of offensive weapons to Ukraine or the sending of American troops to this country, no one spoke at any meeting in the US National Security Service (National Security Council at the White House)," the magazine states.
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  1. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 9 December 2015 18: 29 New
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    his task is to make Moscow pay for "violation of international standards",

    And that says the black monkey everyone wants to strip the Nobel for peace
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 9 December 2015 18: 34 New
      11
      At one of the meetings, Obama said: “If I wanted to invade Canada or Mexico, no one could do anything special about it.”

      But who doubts now in the world about the "rightness" of the States for invasion ?!
      Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ...
      And a few more countries in which the order is destroyed by pro-Western "agents of influence"!
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 9 December 2015 18: 41 New
        10
        What this does not make clear to Ukraine, as Baidon said it was an experiment, so the lads experiment was not successful, and all samples should be eliminated, since no one would want all the secrets of the experiment to be blotted out so to speak!
        1. cniza
          cniza 9 December 2015 18: 47 New
          +6
          Quote: kod3001
          What this does not make clear to Ukraine, as Baidon said it was an experiment, so the lads experiment was not successful, and all samples should be eliminated, since no one would want all the secrets of the experiment to be blotted out so to speak!


          The experiments were unsuccessful, we stop financing the "laboratory" and close it.
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 9 December 2015 21: 58 New
            +2
            No, this leper colony will still work ... And I think it will be a long time, a patient with schizophrenia has been kept for years, without hope of recovery ..
            Quote: cniza
            Quote: kod3001
            What this does not make clear to Ukraine, as Baidon said it was an experiment, so the lads experiment was not successful, and all samples should be eliminated, since no one would want all the secrets of the experiment to be blotted out so to speak!


            The experiments were unsuccessful, we stop financing the "laboratory" and close it.

            Quote: cniza
            Quote: kod3001
            What this does not make clear to Ukraine, as Baidon said it was an experiment, so the lads experiment was not successful, and all samples should be eliminated, since no one would want all the secrets of the experiment to be blotted out so to speak!


            The experiments were unsuccessful, we stop financing the "laboratory" and close it.
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        3. Lukich
          Lukich 9 December 2015 21: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: kod3001
          What is it that they don’t make it clear to Ukraine as Baidon said it was an experiment

          scientists conduct animal experiments, and these nonhumans in humans am
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 9 December 2015 18: 54 New
        +7
        "his task is to make Moscow pay for violating international standards"

        For a long time, their own rules of conduct for different countries of the United States have been passed off as international standards. In this case, Russia, of course, is a violator. Yes, what! Not only does it violate itself, but it also sets an example.
      3. Tor5
        Tor5 9 December 2015 19: 33 New
        +5
        Alas, all of Europe fell under the states .... Where is your vaunted sovereignty ..?
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    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 December 2015 18: 34 New
      +7
      But is he familiar with these standards? Judging by the actions of the United States in the world, he believes that international standards always coincide with his desires.
    3. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 9 December 2015 18: 36 New
      +6
      “If I wanted to invade Canada or Mexico, no one could do anything special about it.” The same applies to relations between Russia and Ukraine.
      Of course, he’s right ... And yet he is afraid of Russia! I read history to see and the fate of the "conquerors" he knows ... Well, let's start, and then we'll see who has a stronger spirit!
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      2. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 9 December 2015 20: 00 New
        +5
        He himself will never start, but with the wrong hands - he does it well.
    4. Rezident007
      Rezident007 9 December 2015 18: 49 New
      +6
      2016 is the year of the fiery monkey - the year of the red-hot gorilla OBAMA !!! Will do things to the campaign in the end .. Yes, and leap by the way ..
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    6. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 9 December 2015 18: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: sanja.grw
      And that says the black monkey everyone wants to strip the Nobel for peace


      And what can be deprived? It would be cool if I stopped fighting for the world - bring back the grandmother back. No? Collectors will come.
    7. Civil
      Civil 9 December 2015 19: 02 New
      +1
      Lies! The United States is going to attack Russia, we are the ring of enemies, it was they who banned us from supplying cheap products, and the State Department reduces wages and raises prices. WE ARE IN THE RING OF ENEMIES!
    8. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 9 December 2015 19: 06 New
      +1
      Excluded, did not exclude, everything must be prepared so that it doesn’t work out, as with Turkey.
    9. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 9 December 2015 19: 08 New
      +2
      When Obama says that Russia should be called to account, by God it’s funny for me. Who, if not America, should know that Russia, in the case of Ukraine and Crimea, acted in accordance with all the rules and laws, but so far it is not profitable for the States, they will never recognize it.
    10. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 9 December 2015 19: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: sanja.grw
      And that says the black monkey everyone wants to strip the Nobel for peace

      Oh, I beg you for a Nobel Prize lol She has long become a byword, especially in terms of nominations for peace and literature: it is understandable why she was awarded to Gorbachev ... Obama, and this year to the Belarusian recorder Aleksievich. I think that it is possible not to develop this topic further, because it is already clear to all normal people for any such "merits" and to whom it is presented. Poor Nobel, I suppose, is turning over from indignation in a coffin am
  2. zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 9 December 2015 18: 33 New
    +2
    The unity of the West is maintained under the same sanctioned baton or state. coup., such a unity will not be long :).
  3. ejov1976
    ejov1976 9 December 2015 18: 34 New
    +4
    What is true, it is true - they are fighting with the wrong hands, it’s more convenient, and the load of 200 does not come.
    1. tanit
      tanit 9 December 2015 18: 41 New
      +1
      Comes, oh how comes. Losses in Afghanistan - who has the greatest loss in people? Moreover, there even the great Georgians, with a great deal of great balts, refused to cast their hands. Apart from all sorts of petty French and Italians with the British. request
  4. tanit
    tanit 9 December 2015 18: 34 New
    +2
    That is, he was not going to, was not going to, the winner of a peace prize .... His whole term, he was not going to ... laughing And then, how will it be, how will it be belay
    The task is not completed. Deadline - Expires. And where does his company look? what laughing
  5. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 9 December 2015 18: 37 New
    13
    In Kazan’s Bahetle supermarket, kitchen chopping boards with a symbol of the coming year — monkeys — are seen, and all would be fine, but there is US President Barack Obama among the primate family depicted. The press secretary of the United States Embassy in the Russian Federation, Will Stevens, reacted negatively to the situation, saying on Twitter that the situation was "disgusting."
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 December 2015 18: 43 New
      +4
      It was not worth discrediting our smaller brothers. What are they to blame?
  6. Lanista
    Lanista 9 December 2015 18: 38 New
    +1
    It is strange to hear a sober and balanced position from this character.
  7. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 9 December 2015 18: 40 New
    +1
    Do not read American newspapers in the morning and do not take their word for it. They will climb up, hold them back, the economy is withering away and Russia is preventing it from building a hegemonopolar system. They will keep Ukraine as a trump card. They even have such a war scenario because of = Ukraine.
  8. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 9 December 2015 18: 41 New
    +8
    Believe Obama, do not respect yourself ...
    1. tanit
      tanit 9 December 2015 18: 50 New
      0
      And it’s hardly terrorists. There were always enough crazy people with weapons in their hands. The country is like that.
      What is most interesting is that they always shoot there (both "terrorists" and just nuts) - where they are not afraid of return fire.
      That's when in a shooting club (somewhere in Texas) - such as "terrorists" like "terrorist attack" will arrange (and with shooting, but not with an explosion), then I will believe in "Terror Who knows No Borders" am
  9. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 9 December 2015 18: 42 New
    +4
    "his task is to make Moscow pay for" violation of international standards ""

    Well, Ukraine would not exist - then this typical representative of African-Americans would play the Syrian or Transnistrian cards. Ukraine is an occasion like "Man, is there a smoke? And if we find it?" that is, in any case, there would be a negative scenario for Russia. Well, they are there overseas only bastard ... can. Ghouls.
    1. 1536
      1536 9 December 2015 20: 59 New
      0
      And yet, Ukraine was pissing ... thoroughly! No African tribe will ever do such harm in their lives.
  10. Milana
    Milana 9 December 2015 18: 47 New
    0
    "Obama considered it necessary to force Russia to pay for the violation, in his opinion, of international standards."

    Apparently, the most important violation of international norms is that Russia exists at all!
    1. MATROSKIN-53
      MATROSKIN-53 9 December 2015 18: 59 New
      +1
      Like in I. Krylov’s fable “The Wolf and the Lamb”: And you are to blame for the fact that I want to eat ...
      So are the mattresses: the very existence of Russia, an independent and independent state, infuriates them. But the elbow is close, but you won’t bite. Russia is not a lamb ...
  11. lukke
    lukke 9 December 2015 18: 49 New
    +2
    he punished us so punished - how are we doing with import substitution and agriculture (it’s clear that not all at once, but ...) ?! More often, let us be punished like that - maybe we’ll learn to produce faster ourselves, and not live on free interest rates in bourgeois banks
  12. dual853
    dual853 9 December 2015 18: 49 New
    +2
    Woooooooooooooooooooo! Oh, thanks! Uzbagoyl! Can I get out from under the bed and get ready for the New Year?!?!
  13. iouris
    iouris 9 December 2015 18: 51 New
    0
    It should be clarified how we will pay for this "grace"?
    Ukraine can neither be forced to pay nor occupy. But you have to feed.
  14. atamankko
    atamankko 9 December 2015 18: 51 New
    0
    Not amers talk about violation of international standards, from them only troubles and dirty tricks.
  15. AK_TriGGeR
    AK_TriGGeR 9 December 2015 18: 51 New
    +1
    Well, they are in Canada in 1812. once they descended so that the Canadians defeated half of Washington, burned the Capitol and the White House. They don’t go to Canada anymore ...
  16. UNAUTHORIZED
    UNAUTHORIZED 9 December 2015 18: 53 New
    +1
    He speaks peacefully, probably a new dirty trick soon.
  17. izya top
    izya top 9 December 2015 18: 55 New
    +1
    tens of billions of dollars of help
    yeah, yeah, civilizers, if they know how to do something well, is to consider denyuzhku
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    1. izya top
      izya top 9 December 2015 19: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: SPB 1221
      But does this black monkey want to take by the cheek?

      "black monkey" must be capitalized, prez all the same wink
  19. Militia
    Militia 9 December 2015 19: 00 New
    +2
    his task is to force Moscow to pay for "violation of international standards," writes Foreign Affairs magazine.
    You might think that Obama himself is a model for the implementation of international standards. And on the basis of this, his screensaver won a large size.

    At one of the meetings, Obama said: “If I wanted to invade Canada or Mexico, no one could do anything special about it.”
    Well, here Obama just decided to show off and earn points. Canada and Mexico are not countries with nuclear capabilities. And his Wishlist couldn’t be able to with strong hardness to Russia, because the battery of Yarsov and Topoliy could fly in return as well.

    "In this case, Obama's policy worked, in any case, as of autumn 2015, because the unity of the West as a whole remains," the author believes.
    For some reason, the author did not specify that unity is maintained not at the expense of a convinced and unanimous understanding of these sanctions, but is maintained at the expense of fear and fear that the vassal (USA) will be angry and then Europe itself will also be closely between the buns. The author is just a modest guy.
    Likely in the editorial office of the journal Foreign Affairs, freedom of speech and democracy are flourishing. belay
  20. vglazunov
    vglazunov 9 December 2015 19: 09 New
    0
    The evil black man stuck a banana in himself and calmed down :)
  21. IAlex
    IAlex 9 December 2015 19: 30 New
    -2
    "In this case, Obama's policy worked, in any case, as of autumn 2015, because the unity of the West as a whole remains," the author believes.

    However, "the probable goal of Russia was also achieved, which was to prevent Ukraine from coming closer to the West," he notes.


    He laughed at the author’s mental fabrications, with regard to the goals of the United States, with their possibilities for maneuver and waiting, everything is clear. To get the maximum, at the minimum cost, the client must mature ...

    But here’s the meaning: “the probable goal of Russia has been achieved, which was to prevent Ukraine’s rapprochement with the West” - this is the same as saying the captain of the Titanic is trying to achieve the goal - so that the ship is not afloat and does not sink into the water. .. Bullshit, it’s impossible to hang the country forever so that it lives in a spherical vacuum ...

    The Titanic will either stay afloat or drown, the question of desire and measures taken on both sides (the physical laws of nature and the engineers of the ship's rescuers) within a short period of time. In this case, Khokhlostan in any case either incurs towards the Russian Federation or the EU, depends on the proposed efforts, which actually proved the coup, and the absolute inaction of the same Zurabov, who for 25 years has not taken any measures for Khokhlostan’s “necessary” turn to the east .

    T.ch. since the GDP and his team of oligarchs are simply afraid to continue to get into this shit because of the punishment of the Yankos, into which they already entered not of their own free will, because the plan went into a slash because of the uprising of the loyalists of the legitimate authorities in the east after Crimea, By the way, I'm 99% sure with the US handouts through Akhmetov. It’s impossible to get rid of the Donbass without even bigger internal problems, and it’s not possible to do anything with Khokhlostan, because the great chess player and part-time captain RosTitanik, the great and terrible GDP, pretends that everything is a bundle, and there’s neither a plan for Ukraine nor the plan for Donbas, neither for Syria, nor for the CSTO in Tajikistan is dumb. We act on the principle of "Roasted Rooster" so as not to offend anyone and inflate cheeks. T.ch. we swim incomprehensibly where, we drown incomprehensibly how, but the orchestra plays fun :)))))))))))))))))))))
  22. IAlex
    IAlex 9 December 2015 19: 31 New
    -1
    [quote = IAlex] [quote] Continued ... [/ quote]


    For cheers patriots. I fully take into account GDP some services to 87% of the population of the Russian Federation (I emphasize the inhabitants, not the citizens. For in the ancient ancient Rome, citizens and everyone else lived, the set of rights, freedoms and income was just determined by the status of "citizen") i.e. with decent oil revenues, he at least invested in the army’s defense of this oil needle.
    But at the same time, I fully and adequately understand that his whole circle consists of oligarchs who appointed him and to whom he belongs, and that the reserve of American "consultants" who came from the 91st year and settled in all places in the state apparatus is 300% will not allow him to steer from the right "direction". Only more of the population from this is not easily not cold, because 86% of not very strong patriots are faced with a choice or live in the next full democracy of liberalism (given that maximum liberalism is anarchy and its main representatives are bandits, i.e. the choice of return in the 90s) with the victory of the "bulk" or you live under the "kleptocratic" capitalism of the early 2000s.

    Those. we are all given another real democratic choice, both from our main “guarantor” and from the “main democrat” between shoot ourselves or hang ourselves, because the rest does not depend on us, and as it was in 90-2000, obviously not everyone will survive this choice. Which is extremely sad: (((((((((((

    Well, in general, we continue to rejoice at such an incendiary article and TV broadcasts that are completely useless, do not carry any meaning, and hide behind the words "in the future", "it will be necessary", "most likely", "probably" and other synonyms of these words calculated on the "patriots" and pensioners, without real action.

    I’m wondering, from the patriots, did anyone see the GDP at least once in a box in the form of a show write down all the instructions given to the ministers in a notebook, and at the end of the year check the execution and in case of problems instruct the prosecutor to sort it out?
  23. vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow 9 December 2015 19: 37 New
    +1
    We made a mistake by not reuniting with Donbass in May 2014. The West would start a war, that is, it would seize Russian money placed in luxury real estate and assets. Our elite would face the dilemma of working for the country or becoming nothing.
  24. Dimitrakis
    Dimitrakis 9 December 2015 19: 49 New
    0
    Barack Obama is dying. After 10 years, he becomes bored, and he asks God to let him go to Earth to see how his country is doing. God is letting go.
    Obama in New York comes to the bar, orders a beer and asks the bartender how the country is doing, how it is developing, what problems it solves.
    The barman is surprised:
    - What problems can be? We are a great empire, everything around us.
    - How is ours? And Iraq, Afghanistan?
    - Yes, everything is already ours!
    - And Europe, Africa, the Middle East?
    The bartender takes out a globe from under the rack and twists it proudly:
    - I say - we are an empire, the whole world belongs to us!
    Obama, joyful, proud and contented, finishes his beer and says:
    - Well, thanks, friend! How much do I have to pay?
    Bartender:
    - One ruble and twenty kopecks ...
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 9 December 2015 20: 14 New
    +1
    Obama is very popular with us. Not only are Obama-4m0 posters visible on many cars, so now, on the eve of the year of the monkey (2016), the corresponding cutting boards went on sale in Kazan, which angered the American embassy wink
    hollivizor.ru/blog/43723126241/V-posolstve-SSHA-vozmutilis-prodazhey-v-Kazani-ra

    zdelochnyih-dos? utm_campaign = transit & utm_source = main & utm_medium = page_0 & domain = mi

    rtesen.ru&paid=1&pad=1&mid=BB501B845593ADDC340BE57D10C1A68D
  26. mark2
    mark2 9 December 2015 21: 29 New
    +1
    Well, wait, gentlemen! Western media are beginning to seek excuses for the policy of sanctions against Russia, failure on the Ukrainian front. Congratulate everyone!
  27. Wolka
    Wolka 10 December 2015 06: 11 New
    0
    well, just like Willy sings in a song, who came to get drunk, who came to fight, who came to listen to the latest news ...
  28. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 10 December 2015 06: 37 New
    0
    America in general will not fight for anyone if its existence is at stake. And with Russia it is. It will not be absolutely!
  29. press officer
    press officer 10 December 2015 06: 53 New
    0
    [quote = pvv113] Obama is very popular with us. Not only are Obama-4m0 posters visible on many cars, so now, on the eve of the year of the monkey (2016), the corresponding cutting boards went on sale in Kazan, which angered the American embassy wink
    lol lol laughing laughing laughing well done! And why is it interesting that the Amer embassy does not like such pictures? don’t they agree that next year or year of the monkey? belay why suddenly? fool our country! what we want is what we do! you do not care! good

    P, S. "Obama considered it necessary to force Russia to pay for the violation, in his opinion, of international standards." What? belay But who is the Negro here? in order to believe that he (a Negro) might be making Russia pay for what was allowed to take a look at him (!) BREACH BETWEEN NOR ... no What? what Why did we suddenly have some kind of police state with a disease of megalomania, decided that in their opinion they could tell us something? fool What a fright ?! wassat We, too, can point out this mattress to everyday violation of all norms and demand the resignation of all blacks from their posts and demand that only the indigenous people (Indians) be brought to power! will perform? I doubt it. So we don’t have to climb! And then we will also begin to act as they usually do! am Suddenly a magician will fly on a blue helicopter and lightly bomb the mattress so that democracy will come faster! good soldier
  30. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 10 December 2015 09: 20 New
    0
    It amazes me why our diplomats, and not only, do not speak without respite at all levels about the constant systematic violation of international norms by mattresses, starting from the genocide of the Indians and onwards everywhere.
    This should be broadcast constantly in real time and poke, and poke amers with their noses at their bowel movements.