Foreign Affairs: Obama was not going to fight with Russia because of Ukraine

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Barack Obama "did not intend to take the risk of war with Russia for the sake of Ukraine," his task is to make Moscow pay for "violation of international norms," ​​writes Foreign Affairs.



At one of the meetings, Obama said: "If I wanted to invade Canada or Mexico, no one could do anything special about it." The same applies to relations between Russia and Ukraine.

According to the newspaper, “Obama considered it necessary to make Russia pay for the violation, in his opinion, of international norms”.

“The question was how to do it,” the Foreign Affairs newspaper quotes Look - Military escalation in this context would be a game in which Russia would win. But in an escalation of the sanctions, the United States could win if Obama managed to keep the European states on his side. ”

“This was the challenge,” explains the magazine, “because many European countries were more dependent on Russian energy supplies than the United States, and, accordingly, were more vulnerable to retaliation from Russia. They also opposed the risk of war over Ukraine. If Obama had gone up the military ladder, then, as he knew, they would have jumped off the sanctions regime. ”

"In this case, Obama's policy worked, in any case, as of autumn 2015, because the unity of the West as a whole remains," the author believes.

However, "the probable goal of Russia was also achieved, which was to prevent Ukraine from coming closer to the West," he notes.

“If Obama and Western European countries wanted to strike back in this direction, then economic aid worth tens of billions of dollars would mean much more than a few hundred anti-tank missiles,” writes the magazine. “But, apart from the relatively meager handouts of the IMF, nobody seemed to follow this path.”

The author also points to the fact that “Obama personally imposed a ban on the provision of so-called lethal defensive weapons to Kiev.”

And "for the provision of offensive weapons to Ukraine or the sending of American troops to this country, no one spoke at any meeting in the US National Security Service (National Security Council at the White House)," the magazine states.
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  1. +15
    9 December 2015 18: 29
    his task is to make Moscow pay for "violation of international standards",

    And that says the black monkey everyone wants to strip the Nobel for peace
    1. +11
      9 December 2015 18: 34
      At one of the meetings, Obama said: “If I wanted to invade Canada or Mexico, no one could do anything special about it.”

      Who doubts now in the world that the States are "right" to invade ?!
      Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ...
      And a few more countries, the order in which has been destroyed by pro-Western "agents of influence"!
      1. +10
        9 December 2015 18: 41
        What this does not make clear to Ukraine, as Baidon said it was an experiment, so the lads experiment was not successful, and all samples should be eliminated, since no one would want all the secrets of the experiment to be blotted out so to speak!
        1. +6
          9 December 2015 18: 47
          Quote: kod3001
          What this does not make clear to Ukraine, as Baidon said it was an experiment, so the lads experiment was not successful, and all samples should be eliminated, since no one would want all the secrets of the experiment to be blotted out so to speak!


          The experiments were unsuccessful, we stop funding the "laboratory" and close it.
          1. +2
            9 December 2015 21: 58
            No, this leper colony will still work ... And I think it will be a long time, a patient with schizophrenia has been kept for years, without hope of recovery ..
            Quote: cniza
            Quote: kod3001
            What this does not make clear to Ukraine, as Baidon said it was an experiment, so the lads experiment was not successful, and all samples should be eliminated, since no one would want all the secrets of the experiment to be blotted out so to speak!


            The experiments were unsuccessful, we stop funding the "laboratory" and close it.

            Quote: cniza
            Quote: kod3001
            What this does not make clear to Ukraine, as Baidon said it was an experiment, so the lads experiment was not successful, and all samples should be eliminated, since no one would want all the secrets of the experiment to be blotted out so to speak!


            The experiments were unsuccessful, we stop funding the "laboratory" and close it.
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        3. +2
          9 December 2015 21: 06
          Quote: kod3001
          What is it that they don’t make it clear to Ukraine as Baidon said it was an experiment

          scientists conduct animal experiments, and these nonhumans in humans am
      2. +7
        9 December 2015 18: 54
        "his task is to make Moscow pay for the violation of international norms"

        For a long time, their own rules of conduct for different countries of the United States have been passed off as international standards. In this case, Russia, of course, is a violator. Yes, what! Not only does it violate itself, but it also sets an example.
      3. Tor5
        +5
        9 December 2015 19: 33
        Alas, all of Europe fell under the states .... Where is your vaunted sovereignty ..?
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    2. +7
      9 December 2015 18: 34
      But is he familiar with these standards? Judging by the actions of the United States in the world, he believes that international standards always coincide with his desires.
    3. +6
      9 December 2015 18: 36
      “If I wanted to invade Canada or Mexico, no one could do anything special about it.” The same applies to relations between Russia and Ukraine.
      Right, of course ... And yet he is afraid of Russia! I have read the history and the fate of the "conquerors" is known to him ... Well, let's start, and then we'll see who has a stronger spirit!
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      2. +5
        9 December 2015 20: 00
        He himself will never start, but with the wrong hands - he does it well.
    4. +6
      9 December 2015 18: 49
      2016 is the year of the fiery monkey - the year of the red-hot gorilla OBAMA !!! Will do things to the campaign in the end .. Yes, and leap by the way ..
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    6. +3
      9 December 2015 18: 53
      Quote: sanja.grw
      And that says the black monkey everyone wants to strip the Nobel for peace


      And what can be deprived? It would be cool if I stopped fighting for the world - bring back the grandmother back. No? Collectors will come.
    7. +1
      9 December 2015 19: 02
      Lies! The United States is going to attack Russia, we are the ring of enemies, it was they who banned us from supplying cheap products, and the State Department reduces wages and raises prices. WE ARE IN THE RING OF ENEMIES!
    8. +1
      9 December 2015 19: 06
      Excluded, did not exclude, everything must be prepared so that it doesn’t work out, as with Turkey.
    9. +2
      9 December 2015 19: 08
      When Obama says that Russia should be called to account, by God it’s funny for me. Who, if not America, should know that Russia, in the case of Ukraine and Crimea, acted in accordance with all the rules and laws, but so far it is not profitable for the States, they will never recognize it.
    10. +3
      9 December 2015 19: 41
      Quote: sanja.grw
      And that says the black monkey everyone wants to strip the Nobel for peace

      Oh, I beg you for a Nobel Prize lol It has long become a talk of the town, especially in terms of nominations about peace and literature: it is clear why it was awarded to Gorbachev ... to Obama, and this year to the Belarusian self-written Aleksievich. I think that it is possible not to develop this topic further, because anyway, all normal people understand for some kind of "merits" and to whom it is awarded. Poor Nobel is probably turning over in his coffin with indignation am
  2. +2
    9 December 2015 18: 33
    The unity of the West is maintained under the same sanctioned baton or state. coup., such a unity will not be long :).
  3. +4
    9 December 2015 18: 34
    What is true, it is true - they are fighting with the wrong hands, it’s more convenient, and the load of 200 does not come.
    1. +1
      9 December 2015 18: 41
      Comes, oh how comes. Losses in Afghanistan - who has the greatest loss in people? Moreover, there even the great Georgians, with a great deal of great balts, refused to cast their hands. Apart from all sorts of petty French and Italians with the British. request
  4. +2
    9 December 2015 18: 34
    That is, he was not going to, was not going to, the winner of a peace prize .... His whole term, he was not going to ... laughing And then, how will it be, how will it be belay
    The task is not completed. Deadline - Expires. And where does his company look? what laughing
  5. +13
    9 December 2015 18: 37
    In Kazan’s Bahetle supermarket, kitchen chopping boards with a symbol of the coming year — monkeys — are seen, and all would be fine, but there is US President Barack Obama among the primate family depicted. The press secretary of the United States Embassy in the Russian Federation, Will Stevens, reacted negatively to the situation, saying on Twitter that the situation was "disgusting."
    1. +4
      9 December 2015 18: 43
      It was not worth discrediting our smaller brothers. What are they to blame?
  6. +1
    9 December 2015 18: 38
    It is strange to hear a sober and balanced position from this character.
  7. +1
    9 December 2015 18: 40
    Do not read American newspapers in the morning and do not take their word for it. They will climb up, hold them back, the economy is withering away and Russia is preventing it from building a hegemonopolar system. They will keep Ukraine as a trump card. They even have such a war scenario because of = Ukraine.
  8. +8
    9 December 2015 18: 41
    Believe Obama, do not respect yourself ...
    1. 0
      9 December 2015 18: 50
      And it’s hardly terrorists. There were always enough crazy people with weapons in their hands. The country is like that.
      What is most curious is that they always shoot there (both "terrorists" and simply crazy) - where they are not afraid of return fire.
      That's when in a shooting club (somewhere in Texas) - like "terrorists" like "terrorist attacks" will arrange (and with shooting, not with an explosion) - then I will believe in "Terror Who Knows No Borders" am
  9. +4
    9 December 2015 18: 42
    "his task is to make Moscow pay for" violating international norms "

    Well, there would be no Ukraine - then this typical representative of African Americans would play the Syrian or Transnistrian cards. Ukraine is an excuse like "Man, do you have a smoke? And if we find it?" that is, in any case, there would be a negative scenario for Russia. They can only shit overseas ... Ghouls.
    1. 0
      9 December 2015 20: 59
      And yet, Ukraine was pissing ... thoroughly! No African tribe will ever do such harm in their lives.
  10. 0
    9 December 2015 18: 47
    "Obama considered it necessary to force Russia to pay for the violation, in his opinion, of international standards."

    Apparently, the most important violation of international norms is that Russia exists at all!
    1. +1
      9 December 2015 18: 59
      As in the fable of I. Krylov "The Wolf and the Lamb": And you are to blame for the fact that I want to eat ...
      So are the mattresses: the very existence of Russia, an independent and independent state, infuriates them. But the elbow is close, but you won’t bite. Russia is not a lamb ...
  11. +2
    9 December 2015 18: 49
    he punished us so punished - how are we doing with import substitution and agriculture (it’s clear that not all at once, but ...) ?! More often, let us be punished like that - maybe we’ll learn to produce faster ourselves, and not live on free interest rates in bourgeois banks
  12. +2
    9 December 2015 18: 49
    Woooooooooooooooooooo! Oh, thanks! Uzbagoyl! Can I get out from under the bed and get ready for the New Year?!?!
  13. 0
    9 December 2015 18: 51
    It should be clear how we will pay for this "favor"?
    Ukraine can neither be forced to pay nor occupy. But you have to feed.
  14. 0
    9 December 2015 18: 51
    Not amers talk about violation of international standards, from them only troubles and dirty tricks.
  15. +1
    9 December 2015 18: 51
    Well, they are in Canada in 1812. once they descended so that the Canadians defeated half of Washington, burned the Capitol and the White House. They don’t go to Canada anymore ...
  16. +1
    9 December 2015 18: 53
    He speaks peacefully, probably a new dirty trick soon.
  17. +1
    9 December 2015 18: 55
    tens of billions of dollars of help
    yeah, yeah, civilizers, if they know how to do something well, is to consider denyuzhku
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    1. +1
      9 December 2015 19: 11
      Quote: SPB 1221
      But does this black monkey want to take by the cheek?

      "black monkey" must be written with a capital letter-prez all the same wink
  19. +2
    9 December 2015 19: 00
    his task is to force Moscow to pay for "violation of international standards," writes Foreign Affairs magazine.
    You might think that Obama himself is a model for the implementation of international standards. And on the basis of this, his screensaver won a large size.

    At one of the meetings, Obama said: “If I wanted to invade Canada or Mexico, no one could do anything special about it.”
    Well, here Obama just decided to show off and earn points. Canada and Mexico are not countries with nuclear capabilities. And his Wishlist couldn’t be able to with strong hardness to Russia, because the battery of Yarsov and Topoliy could fly in return as well.

    "In this case, Obama's policy worked, in any case, as of autumn 2015, because the unity of the West as a whole remains," the author believes.
    For some reason, the author did not specify that unity is maintained not at the expense of a convinced and unanimous understanding of these sanctions, but is maintained at the expense of fear and fear that the vassal (USA) will be angry and then Europe itself will also be closely between the buns. The author is just a modest guy.
    Likely in the editorial office of the journal Foreign Affairs, freedom of speech and democracy are flourishing. belay
  20. 0
    9 December 2015 19: 09
    The evil black man stuck a banana in himself and calmed down :)
  21. -2
    9 December 2015 19: 30
    "In this case, Obama's policy worked, in any case, as of autumn 2015, because the unity of the West as a whole remains," the author believes.

    However, "the probable goal of Russia was also achieved, which was to prevent Ukraine from coming closer to the West," he notes.


    He laughed at the author’s mental fabrications, with regard to the goals of the United States, with their possibilities for maneuver and waiting, everything is clear. To get the maximum, at the minimum cost, the client must mature ...

    But here's the meaning: "The probable goal of Russia, which was to prevent rapprochement between Ukraine and the West, has been achieved" is the same as saying the Titanic's captain is trying to achieve his goal - so that the ship is not afloat and thus not submerged. .. Delirium of a gray mare, it is impossible to hang the country forever so that it lives in a spherical vacuum ...

    The Titanic will either stay afloat or sink, a matter of desire and action taken on both sides (the physical laws of nature and the ship's rescue engineers) within a short period of time. In this case, in any case, Khokhlostan will either carry it towards the Russian Federation or the EU, depending on the proposed efforts, which actually proved the coup, and the absolute inaction of the same Zurabov, who for 25 years did not take any measures for the "necessary" turn of Khokhlostan to the east ...

    Incl. since VVP and its team of oligarchs are simply afraid to go further into this shit because of the punishment of the Yankos, which they already got into not of their own free will, because the plan went into trouble because of the uprising of the loyalists of the legitimate government in the east following the Crimea, By the way, I'm 99% sure of the US handouts through Akhmetov. How could it be impossible to get rid of Donbass without even greater internal problems and there is nothing to do with Khokhlostan, because the great chess player and captain of the Russian Titanic, the great and terrible GDP, pretends that everything is a bunch, moreover, there is no plan for Ukraine or there is no plan for Donbass, neither for Syria, nor for the CSTO in Tajikistan. We act on the principle of "Roasted Rooster" so as not to offend anyone and puff out cheeks. Incl. we float it is not clear where, we drown it is not clear how, but the orchestra plays cheerfully :))))))))))))))))))))
  22. -1
    9 December 2015 19: 31
    [quote = IAlex] [quote] Continued ... [/ quote]


    For cheers for patriots. I fully take into account the GDP of some kind of services to 87% of the residents of the Russian Federation (I emphasize residents, not citizens. For in democratic ancient Rome, citizens and everyone else lived too, the set of rights, freedoms and incomes was just determined by the status of "citizen") ie with a decent income from oil, he at least invested in the army's defense of this oil needle.
    But at the same time, I fully and adequately understand that all his entourage consists of the oligarchs who appointed him, to whom he himself belongs, and the fact that the reserve of American "consultants" who have come in large numbers since 91 and settled in all places in the state apparatus is 300% will not allow him to steer from the right "direction". Only most of the population is not easily cold because of this, because 86% of not very strong patriots have faced a choice or live with the next full democracy liberalism (if we consider that maximum liberalism is anarchy and its main representatives are bandits, i.e. the choice of return in the 90s) with the victory of the "bulk" well, either you live under the "kleptocratic" capitalism of the early 2000s.

    Those. we are all given another real democratic choice both from our main "guarantor" and from the "chief democratizer" between shooting or hanging himself, because the rest does not depend on us, and as it was in 90-2000, obviously not everyone will survive such a choice. Which is extremely sad: ((((((((((

    Well, in general, we continue to rejoice at such an incendiary article and TV broadcasts, completely useless, not carrying any meaning, and hiding behind the words "in the future", "it will be necessary", "most likely", "probably" and other synonyms of these words calculated on "patriots" and pensioners, without real action.

    I’m wondering, from the patriots, did anyone see the GDP at least once in a box in the form of a show write down all the instructions given to the ministers in a notebook, and at the end of the year check the execution and in case of problems instruct the prosecutor to sort it out?
  23. +1
    9 December 2015 19: 37
    We made a mistake by not reuniting with Donbass in May 2014. The West would start a war, that is, it would seize Russian money placed in luxury real estate and assets. Our elite would face the dilemma of working for the country or becoming nothing.
  24. 0
    9 December 2015 19: 49
    Barack Obama is dying. After 10 years, he becomes bored, and he asks God to let him go to Earth to see how his country is doing. God is letting go.
    Obama in New York comes to the bar, orders a beer and asks the bartender how the country is doing, how it is developing, what problems it solves.
    The barman is surprised:
    - What problems can be? We are a great empire, everything around us.
    - How is ours? And Iraq, Afghanistan?
    - Yes, everything is already ours!
    - And Europe, Africa, the Middle East?
    The bartender takes out a globe from under the rack and twists it proudly:
    - I say - we are an empire, the whole world belongs to us!
    Obama, joyful, proud and contented, finishes his beer and says:
    - Well, thanks, friend! How much do I have to pay?
    Bartender:
    - One ruble and twenty kopecks ...
  25. +1
    9 December 2015 20: 14
    Obama is very popular with us. Not only are the posters "Obama - 4m0" visible on many cars, but now, on the eve of the year of the monkey (2016), the corresponding cutting boards have gone on sale in Kazan, which greatly outraged the American embassy wink
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  26. +1
    9 December 2015 21: 29
    Well, wait, gentlemen! Western media are beginning to seek excuses for the policy of sanctions against Russia, failure on the Ukrainian front. Congratulate everyone!
  27. 0
    10 December 2015 06: 11
    well, just like Willy sings in a song, who came to get drunk, who came to fight, who came to listen to the latest news ...
  28. 0
    10 December 2015 06: 37
    America in general will not fight for anyone if its existence is at stake. And with Russia it is. It will not be absolutely!
  29. 0
    10 December 2015 06: 53
    [quote = pvv113] Obama is very popular with us. Not only are the posters "Obama - 4m0" visible on many cars, but now, on the eve of the year of the monkey (2016), the corresponding cutting boards have gone on sale in Kazan, which greatly outraged the American embassy wink
    lol lol laughing laughing laughing well done! And why is it interesting that the Amer embassy does not like such pictures? don’t they agree that next year or year of the monkey? belay why suddenly? fool our country! what we want is what we do! you do not care! good

    P, S. "Obama considered it necessary to force Russia to pay for the violation, in his opinion, of international standards." What? belay But who is the Negro here? in order to believe that he (a Negro) might be making Russia pay for what was allowed to take a look at him (!) BREACH BETWEEN NOR ... No. What? what Why did we suddenly have some kind of police state with a disease of megalomania, decided that in their opinion they could tell us something? fool What a fright ?! wassat We, too, can point out this mattress to everyday violation of all norms and demand the resignation of all blacks from their posts and demand that only the indigenous people (Indians) be brought to power! will perform? I doubt it. So we don’t have to climb! And then we will also begin to act as they usually do! am Suddenly a magician will fly on a blue helicopter and lightly bomb the mattress so that democracy will come faster! good soldier
  30. 0
    10 December 2015 09: 20
    It amazes me why our diplomats, and not only, do not speak without respite at all levels about the constant systematic violation of international norms by mattresses, starting from the genocide of the Indians and onwards everywhere.
    This should be broadcast constantly in real time and poke, and poke amers with their noses at their bowel movements.