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Difficult talk about the death penalty in Russia

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This week, with a new force, not only in society, but also among the representatives, if it is possible to put it this way to the power corps, there was a discussion about whether Russia needs a moratorium on the death penalty, or is it time to stop the restrictive period on the action of the highest measure. Perhaps the discussion would once again fall on the philosophical, rather than on quite substantive rails, if it were not for the statement of the head of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, Alexander Bastrykin, who, expressing his opinion, noted that he was in favor of the death penalty.


Information Agency TASS cites the words of Alexander Bastrykin expressed by the head of the Investigative Committee of Russia in Izhevsk during the event in memory of 13-year-old Andrei Kasimov, who, together with his sister, was the victim of a rapist and a murderer:

I personally advocate the death penalty, especially as a person. I am not afraid of critics when they begin to criticize me or those who express such thoughts. Do not be hypocritical. Evil must be punished. He took someone else's life, especially the life of a child, and you pay with your own. People who commit such serious crimes are not a place on earth.


The chairman of the Investigative Committee was, for obvious reasons, emotional. Alexander Bastrykin arrived in the Republic of Udmurtia to hand over the medal “For the Salvation of the Perished” to the mother of the dead, Andrei Kasimov.

Difficult talk about the death penalty in Russia


It is worth recalling that last fall, the investigative authorities of Udmurtia received a message about the disappearance of two children - 13-year-old Andrey and 11-year-old Alexandra Kasimov. On the following day, the bodies of children with signs of violent death were found in a wooded area near the village of Balezino. Investigators managed to establish that the conviction of Konstantin Russkikh who had previously been convicted of a crime. The offender tried to commit an act of sexual violence against 11-year-old Sasha Kasimova, but Andrei tried to prevent the offender, as a result of which a fight ensued. Russian killed the boy, then raped Alexandra Kasimova and killed her, throwing the bodies of children in the forest.

Subsequently, the fault of K.Russkikh was fully proved, and the court sentenced the rapist and murderer to the death penalty, which according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation is the death penalty. In connection with the current moratorium, the death penalty for a recidivist criminal who took the life of two children, was replaced by life imprisonment ...

Something in quality reference information.

The last case of the application of the death penalty in the form of the death penalty in Russia was recorded in 1996. In 1996, the Russian Federation joins the Convention on the Establishment of the Council of Europe, and undertakes to abolish the death penalty. The moratorium on the use of the death penalty was introduced by a decree of the first Russian President Boris Yeltsin. The State Duma decides to support a moratorium on the use of the death penalty as the death penalty, but at the same time, the Russian parliament did not ratify the signed sixth protocol of the so-called Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, adopted in Strasbourg in 1983 year and slightly modified in 1994

Article 1 Protocol No. XXUMX is called "The abolition of the death penalty" and looks like this:

The death penalty is abolished. No one can be sentenced to death or executed.

However, the same protocol allows states to use the death penalty, for example, in wartime.

Article 2: "The use of the death penalty in wartime."

The state may provide in its legislation the death penalty for acts committed during a war or in case of imminent threat of war; similar punishment is applied only in cases established by law and in accordance with its provisions. The State shall inform the Secretary General of the Council of Europe of the relevant provisions of this legislation.

And this is from Article 20 of the Russian Constitution:

1. Everyone has the right to life.
2. The capital punishment, pending its abolition, may be established by federal law as an exceptional measure of punishment for especially grave crimes against life, in giving the defendant the right to be tried by a court with the participation of jurors.


In other words, the death penalty itself as the death penalty for especially grave crimes does not contradict the Russian Basic Law. The main thing that the case was considered by the jury. And, taking into account the fact that for some time, Russian laws have finally begun to be considered above the so-called “international” (precedent of the rule of the decisions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation over the decisions of the ECHR), that is, there is every reason to say that the same sixth protocol of the Council of Europe is indisputable.

So, Alexander Bastrykin was emotional in Izhevsk. There are clear reasons for this. When you face a grieving mother who has lost two children at the hands of the real scum itself, for which there is no understanding of the value of human dignity, human life, after all, the life of a child; and when this scum currently lives and is kept on it, as an ordinary taxpayer, the means (while the children are in graves for more than a year), you will be emotional ...

The head of the Sledkoma adds that he repeatedly had a duty to deal with lawbreakers (murderers, terrorists), for whom there was one single priority — their own life. Alexander Bastrykin says that these “people”, sobbing, literally begged to save their lives, despite the fact that they themselves took the lives of other people without much regret. That is why, as a man, Bastrykin declares the need to return to the practice of the death penalty, in particular, for such as the same rapist and murderer, whose victims were children in Udmurtia.
At the same time, Alexander Bastrykin himself added that the Investigation Committee always obeys the spirit and letter of the law, making it clear that his personal opinion should not be confused with the official position of the RF IC.

However, if the need to return the death penalty to the system of execution of punishments is said, to put it mildly, by no means the last person in the law enforcement system, then this is already a precedent.

In the Kremlin, speaking out against the return of the death penalty, in 2013 it was said that “toughening punishment does not lead to the eradication of crime”. The statement is somewhat crafty. After all, to eradicate crime, as shown historical practice, nothing leads at all. Crime was, is and unfortunately will be. But the commensurability of the punishment of the crime (and Bastrykin, incidentally, also spoke about this) is sometimes the only tool that can still sober up a person who is aiming at a terrible act. All the pathos and state humanism towards those who committed serious crimes against citizens of the state is something from a series of “European values” - those values ​​when a killer of dozens of people is appointed to the Breivik terrorist in a three-room “cell” with a gym and personal the library. One would think that if Breivik had suddenly left the place of his "imprisonment", then he would have abandoned his views and guaranteed would not set about the crime again.

In Russia itself, by the way, there are many examples of the current “state humanism”. And one of them is a living and practically healthy Nurpasha Kulayev. If someone has forgotten, then this is, excuse me, a nit who participated in the terrorist attack on the Beslan school No. XXUMX in 1.



Kulayev as part of a gang committed one of the most heinous crimes in the recent history of Russia. More than 330 people became victims of the terrorist act, most of whom are children. And the death penalty, to which Kulaev was sentenced by the court, on the basis of the current moratorium was replaced by a life sentence. Now Kulaev writes petitions stating that he, you see, is not satisfied with certain cellmates, and he needs another - a separate camera. And the petitions are granted ... For he, you know, is a man ... He is a citizen ... 6-th paragraph ... Ugh! ..

Of course, you need to hold back emotions, because the main underwater reef of the abolition of the death penalty, by definition, is corruption. The fact is that the corrupt environment, to which so far, unfortunately also applies to the judicial system, by definition, can send a different and innocent person to the world. And the probability of a judicial error is also great. But emotions cannot be held back when the Russians or Kulayevs are alive, and their numerous victims are not. This time. And two things that still need to sometimes look into the Constitution. The main law is a thing that is also criticized, but still ... As already noted in the 20-th constitutional article, it is said that the issue is resolved during a court session with jurors. Russian statistics indicate that the use of a jury actually reduces the risk of errors, miscalculations or excesses to a minimum. There is no ideal system, a court with a jury would hardly have left at least some chance to the same K.Russkikh, whose guilt was proven, what is called, with interest.

And the possibility of returning the death penalty for repeat offenders and terrorists is not a thirst for blood, but following international practice. If the death penalty is abolished in the EU countries, but this does not mean that it is abolished everywhere. Especially dangerous criminals are executed in Belarus, Nigeria, India, Indonesia, China, Japan, Iran, Pakistan, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and a number of US states.

By the way, one should not forget that Russia is a federal state, and therefore, at least as an experiment, certain subjects of the federation (especially those in which the crime rate is the highest), based on the Constitution, could certainly receive the right to hold court sessions invitation of the jury and the possibility of imposing the most severe sentence.

When someone declares, and who, they say, gave the right to state structures to take away the life of a criminal, then a counter-question arises: did the criminal have a right to take away the lives of other people a priori? ..
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  1. domokl
    domokl 10 December 2015 06: 09
    99 th
    While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty. Life sentence is the most correct decision. And we do not just have this opportunity. No one believes the investigative authorities completely. Our investigation is based on checkmarks. The number of crimes uncovered is the rank and position.
    Although sometimes, with tolerance I have problems, I would shoot the bastard ...
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      2. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 10 December 2015 06: 21
        22
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, they shot you

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Or do you sit all your life

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        not for doggy hell with the same final result, taking the legs out of the camera forward.

        Have a nice day, everyone wassat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 06: 38
          +3
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Have a nice day, everyone

          Everything will be there laughing
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 10 December 2015 10: 39
            +2
            What do you choose, quickly wander into a different world or grow old in a cell not for doggy hell with the same final result, taking the legs out of the camera forward.

            If you are sitting without fault for someone, then this someone, feeling impunity, will certainly show himself more than once, until they catch him. Indeed, impunity is the best way to promote. And when they catch you, they will let you out, return your honest name, and you will also receive a feeble monetary compensation. The risk of losing health is the only negative in this situation. Therefore, the innocent will always choose the term. But the guilty will always choose the death penalty. Because he has a chance of being justified -0. The death penalty for him is the fastest way to get away from punishment. While we are here, she IS STILL NOT there, and when she comes, WE ARE NOT ALREADY. It is better than going to the end of existence to swallow and endure beatings. And finally, the main thing. Why exactly Bastrykin advocated the death penalty. Well, probably because the number of investigative errors and falsifications is so great that there was a real threat to his department's ruin. And so he slapped a man, put a tick, reported and ends in the water.
            1. perm23
              perm23 10 December 2015 11: 04
              +4
              Excuse me . But the man presented himself by mistake, after some time he was acquitted, and that he would come out of there and, at liberty Everything is broken, fate, life, family, health and mental and physical work are all. Maybe the family break up and I'm not sure about compensation. And those who planted them nothing. Then just head off will move out, how to live further, where to go and so on. Yes, okay if the error opens after 3 - 5 years, and if more. Someone who needs you there. I don’t know better than a bullet. Than in a cell to suffer from untruth, and then in the wild. And they wrote that they are not tortured there, they are not tortured.
              1. your1970
                your1970 10 December 2015 12: 59
                11
                instead Chikatilo at the time shot an innocent ...
                Mighty corruption will be added to errors now ..
                1. theodore rasp
                  theodore rasp 10 December 2015 15: 31
                  17
                  After the imposition of a moratorium on the death penalty, how many "life sentences" were acquitted? I will give you a hint. No one!!! And is it humane to force the victims of crimes to contain criminals? After all, taxes go to the maintenance of these non-humans!
                  1. Starley from the south
                    Starley from the south 11 December 2015 00: 48
                    +8
                    True, some life-longers dream of being shot, so much so to them. Nevertheless, taxpayer money must be saved.
                    Why are ten sins called mortals in the Bible? Isn't it time to bring our human laws into line with the Word of God?
                    1. shasherin.pavel
                      shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 03
                      0
                      Plus, but about the fact that someone dreams of execution instead of life ... I don’t believe in that, however, I don’t believe it! That would bring such to death and publicly ... so that everyone would see his pants sucked with fear and full of shit. He raised his hand to the old veteran of the sick coward by nature, since his whole essence is in his cowardly act.
                  2. Evrepid
                    Evrepid 11 December 2015 14: 31
                    +1
                    A forest to cut down? Or bridge the taiga? Or work in uranium mines?
                  3. Sultan Babai
                    Sultan Babai 12 December 2015 19: 51
                    0
                    You saw how these nonhumans are contained, so watch the video. How are inhuman beings kept and these creatures sleep and see how they were shot to get tired, but no - let them suffer. I’m telling you as a lawyer with great experience.
                2. Rostov
                  Rostov 10 December 2015 18: 12
                  18
                  By the way, we should not forget that Russia is a federal state, and therefore, at least as an experiment, individual subjects of the federation (especially those in which the crime rate is highest), on the basis of the Constitution, could certainly get the right to hold court sessions with invitation by jury and the possibility of pronouncing the most severe sentence

                  It is very bad when articles are written by people who are absolutely not versed in the topic.

                  In fact. Here are some here unsubscribed that if convicted as a result of a miscarriage of justice, then a bullet is better than sitting for life. But what about those who disagree with this position?

                  I already wrote my vision here by type of punishment. I repeat. From the point of view of the effectiveness of punishment, namely, the restoration of social justice, it would be enough to leave the two penalties in the criminal code in the form of a fine and compulsory labor, and introduce a new type of punishment - hard labor. To apply the penalty not only as the main punishment, but also as a mandatory additional. There are no conditional sentences, deferrals, oud and replacing the sentence with a milder look. No automatic repayment of criminal record, only after full repayment of damage. Generally change the concept of crime category.
                  But this unfortunately will never happen, because we have a type of humane state. For example, forum users are aware that a person sentenced to imprisonment is absolutely impossible to force to work?
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 10 December 2015 21: 13
                    16
                    Hard labor for unmotivated murderers, murderers who encroached on children, mediated murderers (especially large thieves, bureaucrats and leaders who did not do their job, which led to deaths, and the like) to corrupt officials would be the best punishment!
                  2. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Rostov
                    For example, forum users are aware that a person sentenced to imprisonment is absolutely impossible to get to work?

                    White Sea-Baltic Canal, Volga-Don Canal, Construction of Severonikel in Monchegorsk, the beginning of construction of BAM in 39th. All prisoners for whom there was such a condition: exceeding the plan by 200%, the term is halved. This is described by Vershigora in the book "People with a clear conscience". The reconnaissance commander at Kovpak, was building the White Sea-Baltic Canal and his brigade fulfilled 200% of the plan, released the entire half of the term.
                    1. Rostov
                      Rostov 13 December 2015 20: 57
                      0
                      Quote: shasherin.pavel
                      All prisoners

                      My dear man, why are you writing this to me? In the Soviet Union, a thief was shot and even the clients of the LTP were forced to work and be treated. Try the same thing now. Are you aware that victims in a criminal case generally have scanty rights? A rogue lawyer is set free to the rogue by law, but no to the victim. But the state is humane.
                      1. Evrepid
                        Evrepid 17 December 2015 14: 43
                        0
                        Yeah, in my practice there was a case:
                        The "accused" says: I hit the "victim" because this man shot me with a rifle!
                        The decision received from the police: "The accused" is not telling the truth, tk. according to the police, the rifle is not registered for the "victim"! :)

                        Great! :)

                        The "accused" is lying because US the "attempted" on the "accused" did not report that he had a rifle and that he could shoot people with it!

                        And because according to the police, no weapons were registered, then a search for the storage of unregistered weapons is not necessary!

                        Selyavi ... such is the "rule of law" state!
                3. a housewife
                  a housewife 10 December 2015 19: 10
                  0
                  I heard that instead of Chikatilo, two people were shot. But it would be nice to ask the relatives of these two how they live on!
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 10 December 2015 21: 39
                    +7
                    Quote: housewife
                    I heard that instead of Chikatilo, two people were shot

                    Not one was shot. Another killer was shot for another murder.
                    http://www.odnako.org/blogs/i-vnov-po-sledu-chikatilo-mif-o-nevinno-ubiennih/
                  2. Svidetel 45
                    Svidetel 45 10 December 2015 22: 33
                    +9
                    It would be nice to ask the relatives of the children. people close to them, who became victims of various kinds of coves, how they live, with thoughts of that. that the people close to them lie in the grave, and their killers live, and live with it, on their taxes, at their expense. If criminals wage a war against society not for life but for death, then there must be an adequate fight against them, in war as in war, and there it happens that sometimes its own artillery or aircraft hits its own, well, so, because sometimes court mistakes to capitulate and surrender to the mercy of these subhuman. To collect all this inconspicuousness and in one crowd - a moat, a machine gun and a bulldozer, and not drool pink on the topic of humanism, liberalism.
                    1. Starley from the south
                      Starley from the south 11 December 2015 00: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: Svidetel 45
                      in war as in war, and there it happens that sometimes its own artillery or aviation hits its

                      But I didn’t hear something about the huge number of judicial errors in the USSR in cases of bribes, embezzlement on an especially large scale, violence and murder ... If you wish, you can reduce this to a very small minimum.
                    2. shasherin.pavel
                      shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 19
                      0
                      Only one snag: now, on the site of mass executions, even on the site of the death of the cavalry regiment, George the Victorious, consisting only of clergymen of the Russian Orthodox Church, who went on the attack in robes and with crosses, erect monuments as innocently killed. Then I have a question: what kind of society did the Communists led by Stalin create if they executed only innocent people? Or now monuments are put to murderers and criminals! Punishers of the Civil War and Lenka Panteleev!
                  3. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 13
                    0
                    Quote: housewife
                    I heard that instead of Chikatilo

                    who wrote for a moratorium ...
                4. vladimir_krm
                  vladimir_krm 11 December 2015 12: 19
                  +2
                  Was this innocent absolutely innocent? Did you have any problems with the law?
                5. Evrepid
                  Evrepid 11 December 2015 14: 30
                  0
                  Yes. and what to do after that? Shot a man! And he was not guilty.
                  Chekatilo himself is understandable. Although there, society is more likely to blame for the fact that it has grown so much.
                  Lack of attention to the education of young people, lack of education of family relationships!

                  All this tangle launched by gravity leads to such twists.
                  I do not make excuses for the murderers, but for some reason I always remember the cartoon for adults: "The story of a crime." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oju_R8veOa0
                6. Dock
                  Dock 12 December 2015 22: 49
                  0
                  This means that an article must be introduced into the law giving the right to execute corruption officials, as in China. And believe me, corruption will not disappear, but it will become less! am
              2. would
                would 10 December 2015 15: 14
                +4
                Everything is broken, fate, life, family, health and mental and physical work are all


                And a man is alive, while he is alive he can start all over again. There are people who have been sitting for 40-50 years and then were released innocent. They certainly feel bad, but better so.
                and I'm not sure about compensation


                In any legal country, compensation in such cases is not an issue.

                And they wrote that they are not tortured there, they are not tortured.


                It seems so to you. Indeed, in the head of a typical person, torture is beatings, rape, breaking arms and legs, etc. An ordinary person does not understand what it means to sit together in a closet without access to the outside world. Or what’s cooler alone where even from the window you can’t see anything.
                1. cuzmin.mihail2013
                  cuzmin.mihail2013 10 December 2015 17: 42
                  +1
                  And a man is alive, while he is alive he can start all over again. There are people who have been sitting for 40-50 years and then were released innocent. They certainly feel bad, but better so
                  Just try to isolate yourself, for 3-4 years, from society. Well, to the "polar" for several years without a change, or to reindeer herders, or ... And then please write how you adapted to the environment that you left not so long ago.
                  There are people who have been sitting for 40-50 years and then were released innocent.
                  Isn't this the Count of Monte Cristo?
                  1. would
                    would 10 December 2015 18: 11
                    +2
                    The "arguments" are immediately visible. Actually, this is what I expected.

                    Try yourself to simply isolate yourself for 3-4 years from society.

                    And then please write how you adapted to the environment that you recently left.


                    You just described a quite typical villager, a disabled person, a resident after the fall of the USSR, even a military man, especially with the "Chechen syndrome" and in general all those people who have been in contact with one society for a long time, and as a result ended up in a completely different one. Yes, not everyone managed to adapt, but a large part, if not a large part. In any case, he has an opportunity, but how he will use it is his business. And the dead have no opportunity.

                    Isn't this the Count of Monte Cristo?


                    No. Japanese former boxer Iwao Hakamada who served 48 years and was acquitted. There was another American, but he "only" served 26 years.
                    1. would
                      would 10 December 2015 18: 33
                      +2
                      Well and more. I would not compare sidelings and polar explorers directly. I wouldn’t directly compare anyone with the sitters, a completely different level of isolation.
                    2. a housewife
                      a housewife 10 December 2015 19: 17
                      +3
                      There is still a black man in the states, it seems he spent 50 years, did not give up, wrote petitions for rechecks and still proved that he was innocent. Came out, received a very large compensation.
                  2. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 25
                    0
                    Quote: cuzmin.mihail2013
                    y, in the "polar" for several years without a change,

                    Yes, I have already lived in the Arctic for 57 years, and the only thing is that I have retired at 55. It's hard for the first fifty years, and then you get used to it. The reindeer herders have been living in the tundra all their lives in Lokozero on Sokolskoye - this is their same life sentence for not committing crimes. You are talking nonsense !!!!
                2. satris
                  satris 10 December 2015 17: 57
                  +1
                  And a man is alive, while he is alive he can start all over again.

                  In particular, to bomb. A charm, not a prospect!
                  1. would
                    would 10 December 2015 18: 14
                    +3
                    Of course, I expected "arguments" like reducing everything to the worst-case scenario. After all, you do not know that at first a person can easily receive multimillion-dollar compensation from the state, get a job, start to master a new specialty, and so on. Such a person has many other options besides "being homeless" (which any person can begin to do in general), the only question is whether he will use them.
                    1. shasherin.pavel
                      shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 33
                      0
                      They told me about one old man, they put him in the 30 for spikelets, threw him out of prison in the 72 of the year, he didn’t even know how to pay for the goods at the cash register, he heard of others of course, but he never paid for the goods in the store himself, apart from the prison shop, when his term was drawing to an end, he beat someone of the brand new with a knife or sharpening in the leg and extended the term in the same prison. And reached the 72 years. He was locked in a separate room by the end of his sentence and at the end he was thrown out of the gate. He sat at the gate for two days and cried, asking him to be allowed back. They say on the third night they froze like a dog thrown out in winter.
                3. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 21
                  0
                  Quote: rait
                  An ordinary person does not understand what it means to sit together in

                  As I wrote above: six doctoral dissertations were defended by those sentenced to the highest measure.
              3. CONTROL
                CONTROL 11 December 2015 07: 49
                0
                Quote: perm23
                Excuse me . But the man presented himself by mistake, after some time he was acquitted, and that he would come out of there and, at liberty Everything is broken, fate, life, family, health and mental and physical work are all. Maybe the family break up and I'm not sure about compensation.

                Everything is a test from God!
                ... How did you get there? by mistake? ... What and whose mistake was it? stood next to the crime and the criminals, only "backwards", did not see anything? (for example ...) So - no one is sitting in vain!
                There is an old anecdote: "Everything is in the hand of God! Not a single hair will fall from the head without the will of the Lord ..." - said God, scratching his vast bald head ...
                Transfer the adoption of the judicial decision on the death penalty to a specially created commission - you repeatedly guarantee yourself against judicial errors and from corrupt lawyers ... An example is the USSR!
                1. would
                  would 11 December 2015 10: 58
                  -3
                  ..Example - the USSR!


                  Yeah, shot instead of Chikatilo will confirm this.
              4. Sultan Babai
                Sultan Babai 12 December 2015 19: 48
                0
                Damn, I read and everything turns out like in a fairy tale. Innocent, imprisoned ... It’s just that nothing happens in this life, as a lawyer will say there have been several cases when an innocent was imprisoned. I’ll tell you one, a 26-year-old boyfriend (only son) mother cherished, cherished, and he grew up with naughtyness stealing mother’s money, thirsted, used drugs, didn’t kill anyone, but one day the police came to the brothel and his comrades bent him a drunken lot of heroin and sat he will now be 8 years in prison. Yes, he did not distribute drugs, but what he did in this brothel, why he didn’t work, why he stole money from his mother.
            2. Chiropractor
              Chiropractor 10 December 2015 13: 08
              +4
              Quote: Mahmut
              and also not feeble monetary compensation you will receive


              Mahmut, where does the denjata come from?
              The budget is scarce, pensions are partially indexed, doctors are reduced (optimized) ....
              Payment for a child - 50 r per month. Not thousands, but rubles, i.e. 5000 cents - feed your child for 5000 cents !!!
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 10 December 2015 20: 16
                +1
                The right to monetary compensation in such cases is enshrined in law. Even a specific amount is agreed. It is about 2 times higher than the average earnings in the country.
                1. shasherin.pavel
                  shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 39
                  0
                  And the average earnings in the country 6 000 per month per year 72 000. I have the salary of an 40 000 excavator and the pension of 17 000. Well, if you just add that in prison they dress and feed for free ... No, I'd rather dress myself and buy bread for myself.
            3. satris
              satris 10 December 2015 17: 55
              +5
              Will show if a serial maniac, and even then - different things can happen. They can also bang him in response, or something else - as in the film "Radio Wave" ("Radio Frequency"). And the guilty person is unlikely to choose the death penalty if there is an alternative to live - a lot of cases have been described. In particular, one was declared a tower, so he almost fucked up. And then, when he was replaced by a life sentence, it immediately flooded out of him: "filthy cops" were the weakest. Even the one who is no longer afraid of anything is afraid of losing his life. So - return the death penalty!
            4. RosUkrBel
              RosUkrBel 11 December 2015 11: 54
              0
              I think absolutely the same.
            5. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 10: 58
              0
              And if you are acquitted in 30 years, put in 25 - will be released in 55. The risk of losing health is all to lose and all non-frail compensation to spend only on medication, walking with a stick, and with a catheter in the stomach, to drain urine into a jar and be glad that you were acquitted. A sentence of life or death through thousandths of collection of signatures with registration on the Internet.
          2. Gato
            Gato 10 December 2015 13: 28
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Everything will be there

            Yes, who earlier - and who later. Who is sentenced, and the rest - just like that.
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        3. Patriot 1
          Patriot 1 10 December 2015 07: 29
          65
          The maratorium must be removed. And return the death penalty to the article "Theft of state property on an especially large scale."
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 10 December 2015 10: 48
            12
            Quote: Patriot 1
            The maratorium must be removed. And return the death penalty to the article "Theft of state property on an especially large scale."

            Yeah! They will rip you off, but you do not steal!)
            Uncle Vasya will be "soaked" for a sack of potatoes, and people like Vasiliev will be walking along Tverskaya in a month.
            1. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 11 December 2015 06: 09
              +2
              why
              Quote: mihasik
              and such as Vasilyev, in a month they will walk along Tverskaya.

              already walking, and not only on Tverskaya! am
            2. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 40
              0
              Do not steal with bags! E .. so queen!
          2. 406ppm2gv
            406ppm2gv 10 December 2015 18: 47
            +5
            I would also add the betrayal of the motherland in the totality of the damage.
        4. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 10: 52
          0
          Only now there is some difference: a child was taken from someone and this is for life. A father was taken from someone and this is the same for life. And of those sentenced to life, six people (already in prison) defended doctoral dissertations. I don’t know what topics: maybe someone defended himself by proving that the cat has a tail, and not a fifth fulcrum (paw) of such dissertations in Soviet times, 18 or 19 were defended. This means that he was given access to the Internet and books, he read and wrote, went for walks and in the shower.
          I also understand perfectly well that there is no punishment without guilt, as Zheglov said: "You need to deal with your women in time!" But when the killer complains about the bad attitude towards him in prison ... then we are conniving the killers! A person’s life didn’t work out - everything was a tumble: poverty, millions in debts on loans ... and the thought came to him: kill and sit on life-long state support: a warm cell, ready meals and no problems with millions of debts. And who pushed him to the current one? The law that reads: 1. Everyone has the right to life.
          But not everyone can use this right, because the law does not protect this right! Because to someone the law is not the law, if it does not concern him. He (the criminal) has the right to live from the state, and the criminal has the right to take someone else's life, and not even one, but tens. Corruption can bring a person to death ...
          Then we’ll open a site where the case of the condemned will be laid out in full, the defense’s speech and the court’s opinion will be presented in full, where a list of articles suitable for this case will be given. Isn't the few thousand subscribers who voted for the death penalty the most humane court in the world? And if there is a relative of the murdered person who agreed to enforce the sentence, then so be it. I think that no one will vote for the terrorist from Bislan, but in the city, according to their custom, he’s head off, as there is someone to cut the ram. And on a stake in the middle of the city ... so that everyone can see. Every deliberate homicide must be punished in proportion to the crime.
      3. perm23
        perm23 10 December 2015 06: 30
        15
        Those who sit on a lifelong believe that they will be able to get out, and quite this can happen. There was already infa that the bandit Tractor driver is waiting for parole.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 06: 47
          +1
          Quote: perm23
          . There was already infa that the bandit Tractor driver is waiting for parole.

          They can apply for parole after 25 years, but it’s not a fact that they will receive it. Well, I sat down at 25, went out in the most favorable situation at 50 with poor health and fuck nobody needed. Life merged into the toilet.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 10 December 2015 07: 26
            16
            Can't you kill anyone at 50?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 07: 42
              +2
              Quote: Darkness
              Can't you kill anyone at 50?

              It’s possible that the event holder had served a hydrolysis hut.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 10 December 2015 08: 01
                +8
                Or children. Or old people.
                And you can also rape.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 08: 28
                  -7
                  Quote: Darkness
                  Or children. Or old people.
                  And you can also rape.

                  Well, you and I seem to have a different perception of reality
          2. mihasik
            mihasik 10 December 2015 10: 50
            +9
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, he sat down at 25, came out in the most prosperous situation at 50 with poor health and no one needed a fuck. Life merged into the toilet.

            Exactly! He went out, put on a shahid’s belt, and in the subway! What should he lose?
          3. perm23
            perm23 10 December 2015 11: 06
            +6
            So angry at all will come out - a psychopath is a criminal, why release such people.
          4. 97110
            97110 11 December 2015 11: 36
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            came out in the most favorable scenario at 50

            We envy the neighbors. The reclining sitter in the pipes then dried up in 25 years. There are those who want to help - ogogo. And neighbors horns to beat off the freaks no way-the law of the Russian Federation does not order. It is necessary to call special people - policemen. They will take measures when you inflict serious bodily harm. And even better - bang. Here they will certainly dig the ground, they will catch the attacker even in the light. And there will be a court, the most humane to all those who have accidentally and repeatedly stumbled upon people, and they will give him a term, and he will have the opportunity to go out according to parole and still arrange a fun life for someone else. And women will give birth to law-abiding citizens. Nefig heal in this world, in the PF there is little money.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 50
              0
              Quote: 97110
              97110 (2)

              five .. no 25 + owls
          5. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 47
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            with poor health and

            UNLOADING THE POTATO !? Or he twisted his leg on a stationary bike in prison, maybe in the cold his "wool has grown fluffy and silky ... Now he can sleep in the snow .." and you write that "his health is nothing, then his paws ache, then his tail falls off" ... The prisons are now equipped with exercise bicycles, gardens and flowerbeds in the courtyard, laminated floors, modern beds with mattresses. Where did he lose his health there? Maybe the accursed annanism ruined him!
        2. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 10 December 2015 09: 58
          +6
          The "tractor driver" is no longer alive, just like Raduev ... they somehow very quickly give their ends within four walls ... there they go
          1. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 52
            0
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            they somehow end very quickly in four walls

            On the one hand, to look - "Z" is probably taking revenge, but on the other hand - it would be better to do it according to the law.
      4. Onotollah
        Onotollah 10 December 2015 07: 35
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        grow old in the chamber

        Much worse than a quick death from a bullet. Please note that those sentenced to life imprisonment are not serving time in a resort, but for example in the "White Swan". And there the average stay is 3-7 years.
        1. Down House
          Down House 10 December 2015 13: 44
          +7
          Quote: Onotolle
          those sentenced to life imprisonment are not serving time at a resort, but for example at the White Swan

          Yeah, at our expense laughing
          And a person "gets used to everything" and a "white swan" to him in a couple of years as the home of his own and other life, he no longer remembers and does not want laughing
          But dying is ALWAYS scary!
          1. Onotollah
            Onotollah 10 December 2015 15: 21
            +2
            Quote: Down House
            like a home

            You dear apparently do not know how in places of deprivation of liberty they deal with rapists of minors and other similar fruits. This is about the person involved in the article. And he has a life sentence.
            Raduev, for example, spent 4 months in his "home", what is it? Didn't have time to get used to it?
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 10 December 2015 18: 53
              0
              Quote: Onotolle
              You dear apparently do not know how in places of deprivation of liberty they deal with rapists of minors and other similar fruits. This is about the person involved in the article. And he has a life sentence.

              This is if he (the rapist) is in the general hut, and on the life-long prisoner, in the cell alone, or even alone. Well, then, will he rape himself with a finger for his grave sins?
            2. Down House
              Down House 11 December 2015 01: 39
              0
              Quote: Onotolle
              apparently not in the know how in places of detention they deal with rapists of minors and other similar fruits.

              If possible, they are assigned to some "household block" at the pre-trial detention center, because the administration of the colony does not want to be responsible for the "loss of fruit" for nothing.
              Quote: Onotolle
              Raduev, for example, spent 4 months in his "home", what is it?

              As I say, the bosses do not want to be responsible for such "just like that".
        2. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 12 December 2015 11: 54
          0
          Quote: Onotolle
          And there the average tenure is 3-7 years.

          You would also be told how much the table of the arrested state costs. For what price do they buy new mattresses and beds.
      5. denkastro
        denkastro 10 December 2015 12: 38
        +7
        Alexander, how many people you know almost shot instead of the well-known Chikatilo? Seven, and one (Kravchenko) was shot. I believe that the death penalty is justified in a number of cases, but how to be sure that this is the same person. Maybe a moratorium on five years for its execution is needed. For example, they proved the guilt of a pedophile or terrorist, sentenced to death and waited five years, suddenly there is someone else more guilty of this. We all know how things drain our organs.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 10 December 2015 19: 00
          +1
          Quote: denkastro
          Maybe a moratorium on five years for its execution is needed. For example, they proved the guilt of a pedophile or terrorist, sentenced to death and waited five years, suddenly there is someone else more guilty of this.

          And in five years relatives will collect some money, they will find a homeless person who doesn’t care and he (the homeless person) will take on the crime, and the person sentenced to freedom.
          Quote: denkastro
          We all know how things drain our organs.

          Tell me please, otherwise I’m obviously not everything. I don’t know how our bodies of affairs merge. Please give a specific fact, just not from the words "but my friend or friend," but for yourself specifically, how it affected you.
      6. 020205
        020205 10 December 2015 13: 09
        +2
        That's just the point, let the scum that killed the child, or committed another especially serious crime, sit to death! The death penalty is humane towards him! Better let him sit and ask God to die faster! For this pleasure I’m even ready to pay extra!
      7. would
        would 10 December 2015 15: 09
        +1
        for the rest of my life as a result of that miscarriage of justice


        Which can be appealed and proved.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 10 December 2015 06: 21
      67
      Quote: domokl
      While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty.

      It is an amazing thing - neither me, nor my parents, any of my friends were repressed, not accused in vain as a serial killer, not convicted innocently ... Do you know why? Because we all worked, fought, built, taught children, and did not play dirty tricks on the sly of Soviet power, did not send libelous articles about the Voice of America in intimate places, did not work for foreign intelligence services - we lived honestly and died for the Motherland when needed, not from a bullet by a court or tribunal.

      There is no punishment without guilt. I'm not talking about maniacs and rapists - they don't even need to be judged. There are ways to provide them with a short, but painful death even during detention. But what to come up with for this "character"? Do not deserve a bullet, you say? And there is no need to prove anything ... Ask any officer.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 06: 35
        +4
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        There is no punishment without guilt

        There was one guy 19 years old, in the evening he left the apartment with his sister, who was 17 years old and came home alone. The home sister never returned.
        They filed a statement with the cop, the cops began to search-the result of communication with the opera. The brother admitted to killing his sister. He got his 15 years and went on the stage. After serving 9 years, he suddenly, like everyone around, finds out that his sister is alive. He returned home with two with her children and husband, an Azerbaijani with whom she drove away to Azerbaijan last night and lived there beautifully all these years. She was afraid of her mother.
        He was lucky, they didn’t shoot him. Although he was lucky, they live in a rooster corner for such things in the zone.
        More examples to cite?
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 10 December 2015 06: 45
          14
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          He was lucky, they didn’t shoot him. Although he was lucky, they live in a rooster corner for such things in the zone.
          More examples to cite?

          And I know no less examples. As a major military representative, 34 years old, an excellent man, specialist and a wonderful family man, he met a lady in a restaurant on the last day of a business trip, love to the grave, etc., and in the morning she demanded money, which outraged him. He was not a redneck, and he would give money, but he was the first time in his life, he was out of love. Big and clean. And she tore her dress and into the corridor of the hotel — she squealed. 5 years old, fired from the army, kicked out of the party, wife left, left for the North, drank too much, died at 45 ...

          Only in the end the head is given to man in order not to be at the wrong time in the wrong place. Then there will be no unjust sentence ....
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 07: 08
            +7
            Quote: Zoldat_A

            Only in the end the head is given to man in order not to be at the wrong time in the wrong place.

            Clearly, it means that you need to explain what a judicial mistake does not make sense, or you yourself are related to the judicial system. That’s exactly the slogans there.
            1. Down House
              Down House 10 December 2015 13: 21
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              it means you explain what a judicial error does not make sense, or you yourself are involved in the judicial system.

              Here's how I tell you a person who is more or less related to her by virtue of an appropriate education - a miscarriage of justice always takes place in any country.
              But here we must take into account that the probability of a miscarriage of justice is always less likely to become a victim of a wrongful act - this is the statistics - there are always fewer victims of a miscarriage of justice "for murder" than the victims of "murder" damn it!
              Therefore, well, stop writing horrors already, first of all you need to be afraid of bandits, not police hi
              1. 97110
                97110 11 December 2015 11: 44
                0
                Quote: Down House
                not police hi

                Police officers are not people or what? Do not open your mouth, do not look into your eyes, driving through the traffic police post, pick your nose - you look and blow it over.
          2. anip
            anip 10 December 2015 09: 13
            12
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            wonderful family man

            Do not you think that this somehow contradicts this
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            met on the last day of a business trip with a lady in a restaurant, love to the grave, etc.
          3. Stanislas
            Stanislas 10 December 2015 12: 06
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Then there will be no unjust sentence
            And if the investigator, prosecutor and judge received a bribe? Or doesn’t this happen?
            1. Down House
              Down House 10 December 2015 13: 22
              0
              Quote: Stanislav
              Or doesn’t this happen?

              To mustache and immediately, it tends to zero fellow
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 10 December 2015 15: 34
                +2
                Quote: Down House
                Quote: Stanislav
                Or doesn’t this happen?

                To mustache and immediately, it tends to zero fellow

                Well, don’t tell me, it happens, it’s still as it happens, it’s just that with the judges, not everything is like normal people, special status ...
                but guilt-innocence, in our country that chemistry as a science has died completely, or how, the creation of a drug of "honesty" is such an impossible task or in our country humanism so rushing?
                1. bannik
                  bannik 10 December 2015 20: 44
                  0
                  And it would be nice to give such a drug to investigators and judges upon completion of the "case" to "eat". Only, again, the question is: will the "giver" of this drug be selfless and honest?
                2. Down House
                  Down House 11 December 2015 01: 42
                  0
                  Quote: PSih2097
                  just with judges, not everything is like normal people, special status

                  Oh come on, judges for the most part are absolutely normal people with good education and upbringing, and not ghouls at all.
                  1. 97110
                    97110 11 December 2015 11: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Down House
                    judges for the most part are absolutely normal people with good education and upbringing

                    Duck and we are about the same ...
              2. cuzmin.mihail2013
                cuzmin.mihail2013 10 December 2015 17: 52
                0
                And why should the judge give it? If the investigator closes the case.
          4. Down House
            Down House 10 December 2015 13: 17
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Only in the end the head is given to man in order not to be at the wrong time in the wrong place.

            The case was also wassat
            The guard let the woman from the parking lot to her, she ran to them from the car, screaming that they were killing her - they hid her behind the fence - they thought they saved her and did a good deed.
            And after 5 minutes she began to drink in the parking lot with the truckers and went to sleep with them, and in the morning she threw a statement that the guards RAPE her!
            They didn’t seem to plant a plant - but there is always little pleasant from this.
          5. Gato
            Gato 10 December 2015 13: 35
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            on the last day of a trip with a lady in a restaurant, love to the grave, etc.

            So you need to think with your head, and not with what you usually laughing
            Although, I agree, there are different cases.
        2. Volyna
          Volyna 10 December 2015 08: 03
          +3
          Wacky example. Why confess under pressure (if I understood correctly from this story) operas in the murder of my sister, while knowing that she is alive and happy married ?! Was this 19-year-old guy's head all right?
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 10 December 2015 10: 01
            +6
            Alas, this is not a bike, just like a bike about a convicted guy in Vladivostok for the murder, although they didn’t find the corpse and the woman is still healthy, but she just needed to open the resonant case to the daughter of one of the bureaucrats of the region and climb the corporate ladder .. here and all...
        3. perm23
          perm23 10 December 2015 11: 08
          +1
          And what is the example then. How can he live now after all this.
        4. bullss
          bullss 10 December 2015 12: 57
          0
          A delusional example. Is he real? But during the investigation and in court he was not asked where the corpse, motive, instrument of crime, etc.
          For capital punishment, evidence must be reinforced concrete, not self-talk! Two crimes in the article, for example, are not in doubt by anyone.
          And when did they shoot us for one murder?
          1. Down House
            Down House 10 December 2015 13: 25
            0
            Quote: bullss
            But during the investigation and in court he was not asked where the corpse, motive, instrument of crime, etc.
            For capital punishment, evidence must be reinforced concrete, not self-talk!

            That's right - I always don't believe in such "bikes" - although they probably exist in reality in the amount of a couple of people in the whole of the Russian Federation - but this is what is called "very warm and sugar" to be "let go" out of the blue. wassat
            1. your1970
              your1970 10 December 2015 17: 41
              +1
              the evidence in the Chikatilo innocent case executed was probably also reinforced concrete ...
              1. Condor-a
                Condor-a 10 December 2015 17: 45
                +1
                not one but many
              2. Captain45
                Captain45 10 December 2015 19: 11
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                the evidence in the Chikatilo innocent case executed was probably also reinforced concrete ...

                According to Chikatilo, the main evidence was sperm, but a vague photobot. The case was resonant, and the shot group had the same blood type as the victim’s sperm, and there were similarities, so they hastened to report back, especially since Chikatilo was quiet after the arrest. there was also Mikhasevich in Belarus, so two were shot there. And in Chikatilo, if I’m not mistaken, the deviation was some rare blood-2 gr, and the group came out with sperm 1.
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        6. Down House
          Down House 10 December 2015 13: 12
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They filed a statement with the cop, the cops began to search-the result of communication with the opera. The brother admitted to killing his sister. He got his 15 years and went on stage. After serving 9 years, he unexpectedly, like everyone around, finds out that his sister is alive.

          Not long ago, a student boy of 20 with some years went to the dentist, on the way back home from something it became bad, fell and hit his head on the curb. Everyone went around like that until he died - they probably thought that the drunk or the narik was lying around.
          Therefore, let's not talk about passion - there is a law, there are statistics, but there are heartbreaking, but extremely rare cases!
        7. Shick
          Shick 10 December 2015 13: 52
          -3
          Ale)))
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There was one guy 19 years old, in the evening he left the apartment with his sister, who was 17 years old and came home alone. The home sister never returned.
          They filed a statement with the cop, the cops began to search-the result of communication with the opera. The brother admitted to killing his sister. He got his 15 years and went on the stage. After serving 9 years, he suddenly, like everyone around, finds out that his sister is alive. He returned home with two with her children and husband, an Azerbaijani with whom she drove away to Azerbaijan last night and lived there beautifully all these years. She was afraid of her mother.
          He was lucky, they didn’t shoot him. Although he was lucky, they live in a rooster corner for such things in the zone.
          More examples to cite?

          there is no body no matter do not write nonsense
          1. samara-58
            samara-58 10 December 2015 16: 51
            -1
            This is the smartest, he, as he himself believes, is possible. lol
          2. Down House
            Down House 11 December 2015 01: 44
            0
            Quote: Shick
            no body no matter

            And if it sailed away in the river? request
      2. anip
        anip 10 December 2015 09: 10
        +4
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        But what to come up with for this "character"? Didn't deserve a bullet, you say? And you don't need to prove anything ... Ask any officer.

        Uh, as BE already asked the officer. Putin. Hi hurray to the Patriots!
      3. denkastro
        denkastro 10 December 2015 12: 42
        +2
        From the sum, but from the prison do not renounce! Russian folk wisdom.
      4. Gato
        Gato 10 December 2015 13: 32
        0
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        It is an amazing thing - neither me, nor my parents, any of my friends were repressed, not accused in vain as a serial killer, not convicted innocently ... Do you know why?

        They just never ended up in the wrong place or the wrong time.
        Watch the movie "Checkpoint".
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 10 December 2015 14: 34
          +7
          Quote: Gato
          Watch the movie "Checkpoint".

          W. Shakespeare and nephews. Everybody died.

          When we make a film about firefighters - firefighters laugh, when about doctors - doctors laugh. Cops, truckers, taxi drivers - who no longer just laughed at us about films about their profession. Therefore, I will not discuss the facts of the film; I laughed a few years ago. One question. Where, in what army - Russian or Soviet, would the colleagues call their friend "Rat"? If for business, then he would not serve with them, but just like that they do not throw such persecutions. In peacetime in the garrison, such issues with "rats" are resolved once and for all, and even more so in war ...

          However, there are other, more suitable places for discussing feature films. Moreover, the specific gravity of people related to the army is much higher than, for example, at the forum of art critics. Therefore, to cite as an example a feature film I think is not quite correct.
      5. your1970
        your1970 10 December 2015 18: 01
        +3
        Say no punishment without guilt ?? !! Well, well ...
        Remind Kazan with the regional department and champagne or (so that there are no exceptions) - about how the cops KGB Major killed at the metro station in Moscow in 70.
        God bless him and Kazan - enough of the all-powerful KGB major. Was he to blame for something? No! His status stopped the cops - no !! That is, if killed such serious people - then a simple hard worker who accidentally happens to be near the crime scene "elephant" to create and sew a murder / robbery - but like two fingers on the fence !!!
        Exclude the overfulfillment of the plan for the disclosure of particularly serious 100% ????? I'm not ..
        Are there many honest policemen? A lot - but there are a few scoundrels as well .. Is there 100% certainty that the matter will not fall to the scoundrel ??? No ....
        There are no guarantees that the jury will not send an innocent 100% under the penalty; is there ??? No ..

        And more:
        "You don't deserve a bullet, you say? And you don't need to prove anything ... Ask any officer."
        Yes, he probably deserved it, yes, I don’t like his face too much - BUT IN THE COURT, it’s not proven, then it’s not guilty
        according to our Criminal Code and the Constitution ..
        And if we follow the principle - "we don't like him" - country 404 will start, i.e. complete lawlessness, the path into the abyss ... and where this path will lead, to what abyss is unknown (RF-nuclear state) ..
        Z.Y. Lawlessness / revolution always devours its children. It’s not even necessary to go far (in 1917), Sasha Bily thought to live a long time ...
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 10 December 2015 19: 28
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          about how the KGB major’s cops were killed at the Moscow metro station in 70.

          In 1982, the metro security police took a sleeping man in a carriage at the terminal, he was driving from a celebration, he was screwed and fell asleep. PPS-nicknames themselves were drunk and immediately began to thrash him, and when they found a certificate in the picket, they thrashed him so hard that nothing There was no way to finish off the major so as not to sit down ourselves, but it didn’t work out. They uncoiled and everyone sat down, by the way, one of these cops in two years also took a drunk passenger out of the metro and killed at home, drowned the corpse and everything was sewn-covered. and the head of the picket was brought up to the "tower". If they hadn't turned for the KGB, this "mokruha" would not have been raised. After this incident, Shchelokov was flogged. We have always been, are and will be. This is life, an ideal only in paradise.
          1. your1970
            your1970 10 December 2015 22: 22
            0
            So I’m talking about exactly the same thing, there have always been, there are and will be people capable of meanness / dirty trick / for money / out of pleasure / for the sake of an asterisk and the shot not innocently return ...
    3. perm23
      perm23 10 December 2015 06: 29
      27
      It may be necessary to introduce a punishment for the investigation, if the judges made an erroneous decision and the innocent was punished, then let them answer.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 06: 50
        18
        Quote: perm23
        It may be necessary to introduce punishment for the investigation,

        In the 90 years, having come to operas, the man admitted that he had committed it personally and had taken the stranger himself with joy, so long as the interrogation was over. Now all those operas have already passed certification wink
        1. perm23
          perm23 10 December 2015 11: 11
          0
          Unfortunately yes.
        2. Fox
          Fox 10 December 2015 12: 08
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the 90 years, having come to operas, the man admitted that he had committed it personally and had taken the stranger himself with joy, so long as the interrogation was over. Now all those operas have already passed certification

          I don’t want to answer rudely ... but Shura-saw the kettlebell! where did the wood come from? about SUCH movements of operas? served as an opera or OBSDD?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 12: 20
            0
            Quote: Fox
            ! Where are the woods from?

            What foxes, forgot opera methods and jokes? You’re a cop, though a former one, because you don’t have to, don’t.
        3. Captain45
          Captain45 10 December 2015 19: 43
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the 90 years, having come to operas, the man admitted that he had committed it personally and had taken the stranger himself with joy, so long as the interrogation was over. Now all those operas have already passed certification

          What I have, what my colleagues both in the 80s, and in the 90s, and in the early 2000s, during interrogations, everyone took their own, they did not hang someone else's. Because at the trial he would refuse and there is no "proof" to tie it, and then this hemorrhoids will come out to you, but someone needs it. And now we are all retired by age, by length of service, no one has remained in the heads of those who came in the early 2000s. But who and what taught them in higher schools Here is a question. As an example, I can cite the case of the head of the GUBEPiK of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation - 35 years old, and already a general in the ministry, is under investigation for bribes, "protection", taking away the business.
      2. Squelcher
        Squelcher 10 December 2015 10: 00
        +7
        The idea is not bad and quite robust. But it has pitfalls ....

        The question is what measure of responsibility will be for a judge for a mistake?
        What measure of responsibility will be for operas and prosecutors for a mistake
        The death penalty, dismissal, term?
        Who will decide this?
        As this measure will affect the work of judges, there is a high probability that they will release real criminals.
      3. your1970
        your1970 10 December 2015 18: 16
        +1
        and they still answer, both investigators and judges .. as well as doctors in the event of the death of the patient, with obviously wrong treatment, etc.
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    5. midashko
      midashko 10 December 2015 08: 13
      16
      While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty

      Such an opportunity exists and will always exist. Disbelief in the bodies of inquiry, too. However, I think the death penalty should be returned, and to reduce the likelihood of error, you can use delayed execution (for a year, for three). Let the criminal sit on death row, lose track of time and constantly know that they will certainly come for him ... If no rebuttals appear during this period, the sentence is carried out.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 10 December 2015 10: 02
        +3
        Sentenced to death in the USSR and in Russia, in addition to very high-profile cases, they waited for execution for more than a year and two, and this does not give anything, they wait for 30 years in America, but in the end they are innocent !! or vice versa, bam, injection and that's it and then oh ... hurried, innocent this black guy was
    6. Askin
      Askin 10 December 2015 08: 47
      +8
      Quote: domokl
      While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty. Life sentence is the most correct decision. And we do not just have this opportunity. No one believes the investigative authorities completely. Our investigation is based on checkmarks. The number of crimes uncovered is the rank and position.
      Although sometimes, with tolerance I have problems, I would shoot the bastard ...

      You are absolutely right.
      Bastrykin plays in public.
      Or maybe his department to start doing his job better?
      I would leave it as it is. But a little corrected:
      1. The abolition of parliamentary immunity.
      2. If a person repeatedly commits a crime, then the term under the Criminal Code is automatically multiplied by 2. If the third time, then by 3, and so on.
      3. For officials, employees of punitive (power) departments and their immediate family, immediately multiplied by 3, with complete confiscation.

      AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:
      MAY THE AUTHORITIES BETTER THINK ABOUT THE GROWING GENERATION?
      (education, healthcare, sports - all this should be accessible to any child!)
    7. Kite
      Kite 10 December 2015 09: 13
      +7
      Quote: domokl
      While there is an opportunity to kill the innocent .....

      - if in doubt, then do not take extreme measures. And if there is plenty of evidence? If people like Raduev were sent not to the wall, but to life, then what is the mercy and why?
      If the bandit was captured at the crime scene, and even after armed resistance, then there will be doubts?
      1. Kite
        Kite 10 December 2015 12: 22
        +2
        And in addition: they say in vain that the threat of the death penalty does not contribute to the suppression of crimes. If the collectors, police, sentries did not have weapons, then the thugs, who believe that they are the most cunning, would not stop anything. There is a game of ostentatious humanism, which, to put it mildly, is not fair. There is a striking contradiction of the article (flirting with the European democrats) of the constitution with the charters of various services. Imagine: a young guy (not yet burdened with thoughts of the eternal) takes up the post as a sentry (patrol), in the service he is guided by the charter and instruction, decides on the use of weapons quickly and independently. Do you want to oblige him to think 100500 times before opening fire on defeat? Or leave the old rule on the use of weapons without warning when directly entering a guarded object unshakable?
        How then can one declare the absence of the right to judge collegially and pronounce a verdict on the basis of complete evidence and testimony of witnesses?
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 December 2015 18: 23
          0
          But thugs don't stop anything right now - collectors are killed quite often, police officers were literally talking about traffic cops who were shot from a stopped car, sentries now I don’t know, in 1999 there were 7 cases of murders of sentries with the seizure of weapons and 60 with something cases of attacks ...
          1. Kite
            Kite 10 December 2015 22: 09
            0
            Quote: your1970
            But thugs and now nothing stops ...

            It stops. For, what you know and cited as an example - only small percentages of those who rated such a case as very dangerous are much more dangerous than robbing a stall. The probability of getting a bullet makes you think about the possible consequences, about the price of production.
            1. your1970
              your1970 11 December 2015 12: 50
              0
              In the USA on 3 people - 2 trunk (average). Did it save / stop anyone there ?????
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 10 December 2015 19: 47
        +1
        So here it is definitely not a mistake if he resists with a weapon. In general, about "no need to be where you do not need." And who knows, where necessary, where not. A classic detective example - someone comes to an acquaintance, the door is open, there is a corpse in the apartment. If you run away, you are immediately guilty, they say, an innocent person would not run away, but the fact that a person is simply afraid of corpses, or suddenly a murderer in the next room is a "excuse"! If you don't run away, then you killed yourself, called the police out of trickery. And if he was at knives with the deceased and came to find out the relationship - that's it! Nobody will really understand. Cases are given where a person behaved stupidly, like with that runaway sister. But you never know what else. Well, stupid. So for stupidity, execution is supposed? I hope those who are for the death penalty, smart ones, will not find themselves where it is not necessary and at the wrong time!
        1. Kite
          Kite 10 December 2015 22: 46
          0
          Irina, there are options and each has its own answer. If there are versions of the crime, then an exceptional measure should not be applied. If Yevsyukov shot at a crowd of shop visitors (victims and witnesses), then will there be any doubt that Yevsyukov is not a real Yevsyukov? If a narik or a drunk crashes into a crowd of people in a car and is pulled out of the car while he is not standing on his feet, is he guilty of a grave crime or didn’t drive the car itself, should we look for the one who was still in the car before?
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    8. Nitarius
      Nitarius 10 December 2015 09: 16
      +3
      Then the question arises of another ... sort of like a mercantile character ... At whose expense will he LIVE? feeds him in a cell, guard, etc.?
      FOR YOUR? or people like you?
    9. Kazakh
      Kazakh 10 December 2015 09: 40
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      Our investigation is based on checkmarks. The number of crimes uncovered is the rank and position.

      How many years have you served as an investigator, opera? How old are you and how did you do statistics in the investigation department? Please your research, comparing it with foreign investigating authorities.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 10 December 2015 10: 04
        +2
        the indicator of the opera-stick is the number of episodes uncovered, the indicator of the scout-how many things are sent to the court ...
    10. kuz363
      kuz363 10 December 2015 10: 22
      +2
      There is an option - to introduce a delay of 3-5 years.
    11. mihasik
      mihasik 10 December 2015 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Life sentence is the most correct decision. And we do not just have this opportunity. No one believes the investigating authorities completely

      There is a solution that suits everyone - the death penalty with a delay in execution, for example, for 5 years.
      So prove your innocence with the bar during this period if you were mistakenly convicted.
    12. user
      user 10 December 2015 11: 50
      +1
      No one believes the investigative authorities completely.


      Well, everyone believes the participant in the crime, and then they support him all his life, dress, feed, treat and all this at the expense of the budget, but do not forget to add the contents of the room, light, utilities, as well as the payment of FSIN employees (they’re not small ) It can still give this money to the elderly or children, by the way, at the same time the statistics of sitters will decrease, it will decrease.
    13. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 December 2015 12: 10
      +4
      Quote: domokl
      While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty.

      If you are sitting in a trench and an enemy is coming at you, you must kill him. Maybe he himself does not want anyone to be evil, but does someone else's criminal will, but you must kill him. If a criminal (the same enemy), by his own intent, took his life from someone, he cannot be destroyed. Why, where is the logic? A soldier carrying out the order is possible and necessary, but not a fanatic, a rapist and an infanticide. I will never understand this (and don't want to) am
      And if the guilt is not 100% proven, let him sit ... for now.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 December 2015 18: 37
        +1
        "If you are sitting in a trench and the enemy is attacking you, you must kill him."
        Well, for starters, we are thank God !!! - not in the trenches.
        Everything in the trench is simple and clear, the enemy is ahead, it has the form of an enemy army, it is armed, it is knowingly obliged to kill you.
        If the criminals were just as easily identified (well, at least they wore clothes with the inscription "I am a criminal") - I would raise both hands for shooting at once, but there is one BUT ...
        Exactly until there is a judicial error, fulfillment of the plan, career growth, corruption, pressure on witnesses, etc. - even clothes with the inscription "I am a criminal" lol does not give 100% guarantee that a person is guilty of anything
        Sadness ..
        During the war, you can shoot any suspicious ..... Not necessarily the enemy, just looks suspicious ....
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 10 December 2015 19: 59
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          Everything in the trench is simple and clear, the enemy is ahead, it has the form of an enemy army, it is armed, it is knowingly obliged to kill you.
          If the criminals were just as easily identified (well, at least they wore clothes with the inscription "I am a criminal") - I would raise both hands for shooting at once, but there is one BUT ...

          "- Tell me, Sharapov, what happened at the front if the language was silent?
          "How what? As the laws of war say ..."
          - That's right, because he is a soldier of the enemy army, is fighting in uniform and with weapons in his hands, and his guilt does not require proof.
          - And the bandit, is he without weapons?
          - You can come to a meeting without a weapon. And in his passport it is not written that he is a bandit. On the contrary, that he is a citizen and he has a residence permit for some Krivokolenny, 5. So take him for twenty rubles. "(C) Brother Vayner" Era of Mercy "
    14. Down House
      Down House 10 December 2015 13: 05
      -1
      Quote: domokl
      While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty.

      Yes, but for now there is the possibility of imprisoning an innocent (and there is such an opportunity in any country in the world) it is strictly impossible to put prisons into operation wassat
      In general, according to the law, convicts of execution have been waiting for about 5 years, and if they are not guilty, then there is a good chance that the real murderer will "burn out" during this time!
      An exception was perhaps in the "Chikatila case" when an innocent person was shot right after the trial, but it was a political decision from the very top of the Party, bypassing the law - to shoot without waiting!
    15. 222222
      222222 10 December 2015 14: 50
      +1
      EXCELLENT FACTS. WHAT YELTSIN REPORTED TO THE BUSH-SENIOR ON THE EVE OF THE DECAY OF THE USSR

      In Yekaterinburg, declassified transcripts of telephone conversations of Yeltsin and Gorbachev with the American president

      1 / DATE, TIME AND PLACE: December 8, 1991, 13:08 - 13:36, Oval Office President Bush: Hello, Boris. How are you?

      President Yeltsin: Hello, Mr. President. I am very glad to welcome you. Mr. President, we agreed that in the event of events of utmost importance we will inform each other, I - you, you - me. A very important event has happened in our country today, and I would like to personally inform you before you learn about this from the press.

      President Bush: Of course, thanks.
      2 // DATE, TIME AND PLACE: December 25, 1991 10:03 - 10:25 Camp David

      President Bush: Hello, Michael.

      President Gorbachev: George, my dear friend. Glad to hear your voice.

      President Bush: Glad to welcome you on such a momentous day, such a historic day. Thank you for calling.

      President Gorbachev: Let me start with a pleasant one: I congratulate you, Barbara and all your family on Christmas. I was thinking about when to make my statement - on Tuesday or today. In the end, I decided to do it today, at the end of the day. And therefore, first I want to wish Merry Christmas and wish you all the best.

      And now I have to say that in about two hours I will make a short statement on Moscow television about my decision. I sent you a letter, George. I hope you will receive it soon. In the letter I expressed the most important. Now I would like to once again confirm how highly I value what we have been able to do during our joint work — when you were vice president, and then when you became President of the United States. I hope that all the leaders of the Commonwealth countries, and especially Russia, understand the value of the joint experience accumulated by the leaders of our two countries. @@
      ///http://politklubok.ru/blog/43193782407/Vopiyuschie-faktyi.-O-chem-Eltsin-dolo
      zhil-Bushu-starshemu-nakan? utm_campaign = transit & utm_source = main & utm_medium = page_
      0 & domain = mirtesen.ru & paid = 1 & pad =
      ..read a lot..
    16. zennon
      zennon 10 December 2015 15: 05
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty.

      That is, a miscarriage of justice? But you always talk about a possible miscarriage of justice in relation to the death sentence. I’ll tell you about a miscarriage of justice in NOT PURPOSE death sentence. In 1978, in Dagestan, the court commuted the death sentence to a criminal with 15 years of special regime. After 2 years, he tried to escape. He killed a cellmate and seriously injured the sentry-guy of the conscript. If the court approved 2 years earlier, he scammed for this bastard, then 2 people would not suffer, one of whom died, and the other remained disabled at the age of 19. What can you say now? This is also a miscarriage of justice, but the other way. As a result, it was not wine people who suffered! 2 years fed, clothed, guarded. They took care of him according to the law at the expense of the state, that is, at the expense of those whose relatives he had killed before (he was involved in the 105th, that is, murder). And is that fair? In addition, not an absolute, but all the same, solution to the problem is a postponed sentence. You don’t I had to read or see on TV how the sentence was carried out in the mattress 10,15 and whether 20 years after it was passed? That is, there is a sentence, but if in doubt, they will not immediately end the criminal. If they don’t prove it in 10-20 years guilty, then the person will be released. And still, last year in the USA it was really proved astnost person to the crime for which he was sentenced to life zaklyucheniyu.Ego released after 13 years otsidki.Vot only be glad that he does not sumel.Za these years he has gone mad ... you this path is perfect ?!
    17. Archon
      Archon 10 December 2015 17: 02
      0
      I am against the death penalty - a lifelong exile beyond civilization (islands of the far north beyond the Arctic Circle) is better. Or a labor link.
      Although the death penalty also has a plus - big budget savings. Why feed and dress prisoners if this money can be spent in science, education, medicine ...
    18. ava09
      ava09 10 December 2015 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty.


      The ability to kill an innocent person will always exist as long as the notorious human factor exists. Naturally, while the Russian Themis serves the interests of oligarchs and embezzlers, it is difficult to reduce the level of "mistakes" of the investigation and the court. But I still disagree that "Life sentence is the most correct decision." The most correct decision is to hold a referendum, and those who are for "life sentence" should pay for it. I am sure that the overwhelming majority of their "philanthropy" will fly off in a moment.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 December 2015 18: 45
        +1
        "The most correct decision is to hold a referendum, let those who pay for the" life sentence "for it. I am sure that from the overwhelming majority of their" philanthropy "

        And if you hold a referendum with the question "Let's take money from everyone who receives more than 30 thousand pay and divide it", half of the country will vote at once repeat
        Lifelong maintenance - this is in the scale of the country a dime funny.
    19. OlegLex
      OlegLex 10 December 2015 18: 33
      +4
      Why is it that the main argument of those who speak out against the use of the death penalty is a judicial error? Allegedly, our criminal legislation is so imperfect that we will shoot every third or, sorry, tenth. Why do we allow people's fear of this very "mistake" to roll over? Why people who advocate the non-use of the IC have achieved the abolition of the article for this very mistake (The article on causing death as a result of negligence was removed from the Criminal Code) The death penalty is needed, it is simply necessary, precisely because of its absence in our society moral monsters are growing who sit down drunk steering wheel, or because of the steepness and brilliance, they can trample moral foundations and morals with their feet. Fear has always and at all times been the most powerful motivating factor. Does anyone really have doubts that if there was an Investigative Committee for terrorist activities, much less of our citizens would have ended up in ISIS?
      I AM FOR DEATH PENALTY
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 December 2015 18: 50
        0
        In China, they shoot for corruption, it helps? NO ... since they continue to shoot
        Arabs have been stoned to death for adultery since the 7 of the century - MORE THAN 1000 YEARS !!!!! - helps? NO ..
        1. Dembel77
          Dembel77 10 December 2015 20: 31
          +1
          A monster who raped and killed a minor should not have more chances to live after this crime than a year or two. During this time, new circumstances may suddenly appear (as sometimes happens) that refute guilt. Or not open. If we get lucky. But in any case, the offender does not have the right to live after serious crimes, completely and reinforced concrete. I would have lifted the moratorium on the death penalty.
          1. your1970
            your1970 10 December 2015 22: 33
            -1
            What does reinforced concrete mean?
            A friend in the 90's was driving in Moscow by car, approaching the traffic light (red) slowed down, an ambulance was already standing in front of him - at that moment a man fell from the side of the road, crushed his head. Everyone on the other side of the road was well seen by traffic cops and him my daughter all rushed together, the doctor jumped out of the ambulance. The man had an acute heart attack, and he fell, he was unlucky. The acquaintance was called for six months, until he was found not guilty because of the technical impossibility to stop, it was just lucky that there were many witnesses.
            And there could be another alignment, there are no signs of braking, crushed, etc.
            What is the evidence here reinforced concrete? The testimony of traffic cops and daughter (innocent), or the absence of any inhibitory trail (guilty) ????
    20. igortyson
      igortyson 10 December 2015 22: 03
      +1
      While the parasites are sitting, then shoot them unambiguously. And if in prison a convict needs to work for the good of the country, earning himself for the same food, then why deprive the country of a slave who can be useful. Let him work in the most difficult and harmful industries and die there. And I "am surprised" - why do convicts eat and live for free, and children in schools for money? what the hell is this, brothers? Everyone to the mines, factories, fields, depending on the severity of the crime. And if the "tough one denied" - tries to shoot and bury.
    21. hartlend
      hartlend 11 December 2015 20: 29
      +1
      I propose that such "human rights activists" be charged with all the costs of maintaining life-sentenced prisoners. To start.
    22. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 11 December 2015 21: 35
      0
      In case of miscarriage of justice, you can introduce a delay in the execution of the sentence for 3-5 years!
    23. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 11 December 2015 21: 35
      0
      In case of miscarriage of justice, you can introduce a delay in the execution of the sentence for 3-5 years!
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 10 December 2015 06: 10
    12
    Of course, to kill such people and even introduce death for corruption and embezzlement of more than 100000000, for example, otherwise officials and the like have completely gone wild. But no, we are following the EU, and they are introducing sanctions against us. And they would have shot Yevgeny Vasilyeva and no disputes and everyone understands why.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 10 December 2015 06: 25
      10
      It hurts a lot of zeros ...
      1. fraer
        fraer 10 December 2015 07: 11
        +8
        This week, with renewed vigor, not only in society, but also among representatives, so to speak of the power corps, a discussion arose over whether Russia needed a moratorium on the death penalty
        Yes everything is correct. The power is seized. If earlier for everything that was done with our country, it was punishable by death. Now you can relax. Yes, and objectionable can be summarized under this article. In a country where capital rules, it's like two fingers on the Asphalt.
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 10 December 2015 07: 22
          +1
          "Power has been seized" ..... You are talking about the seizure of power, implying that it needs to be taken back, how do you propose to return power? Elections or overthrow like Ukraine?
          1. fraer
            fraer 10 December 2015 07: 33
            +6
            Igor.
            Return the legal field of the USSR.
            How to do it? There are many ways.
            But the main thing is to realize that this power is not legitimate.
            1. Igor39
              Igor39 10 December 2015 07: 39
              0
              Did you find out how many people want the legal field of the USSR? Which way do you suggest?
              Do you think that Putin is illegally in power? Is he the choice of the people, or not?
              1. fraer
                fraer 10 December 2015 07: 42
                10
                Let me remind you that 17 citizens of the USSR took part in the national referendum on March 1991, 148, which amounted to more than 574% of the votes of the USSR. As a result of the Referendum held on March 606, 80, 17 citizens of the USSR, accounting for 1991% of all votes, expressed their will “FOR”: Yes, I consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed ”. It was this decision, formulated in December 113 by a roll-call vote at the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR and included in the 512 Referendum bulletin for voting, which acquired legal force on the basis of Article 812 of the USSR Law of December 77,85, 1990 n 1991-29 "On popular voting (USSR referendum ) "December 27.12.1990, 1869 N 1-27. And it was this decision of the people of the USSR that came into legal force, in accordance with Article 1990 of the same Law of the USSR, including, in accordance with Articles 1869 and 1 of the Constitution of the USSR and on the basis of the promulgated Resolution of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated 28 No. 2- 5.
                Quote: Igor39
                Did you find out how many people want the legal field of the USSR? Which way do you suggest?
                Do you think that Putin is illegally in power? Is he the choice of the people, or not?

                I voiced the choice of the people above.
                And this is paid PR.
                1. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 10 December 2015 19: 13
                  0
                  Quote: fraer
                  And this is paid PR
                  Is this your belief or a reliable person informed?
              2. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 07: 50
                +7
                Quote: Igor39
                Do you think that Putin is illegally in power

                How do you provocatively turn the question, do not you think?
                It's about the times when no one except Sobchak knew about Putin ...
                1. fraer
                  fraer 10 December 2015 08: 03
                  +5
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  How do you provocatively turn the question, do not you think?
                  It's about the times when no one except Sobchak knew about Putin ...

                  Yes, probably not. Everything is interconnected. The emerging succession of generations. lol
                  1. afdjhbn67
                    afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 08: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: fraer
                    Yes, probably not.

                    I would add - professionally provocative .. wassat
                    And after such questions, people are banned mercilessly ..
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 10 December 2015 08: 33
                      +3
                      Quote: afdjhbn67
                      I would add - professionally provocative .. wassat
                      And after such questions, people are banned mercilessly ..

                      Yeah
                2. Igor39
                  Igor39 10 December 2015 08: 28
                  0
                  afdjhbn67 Tvarisch said above that power is not legal, probably about our times, or are we living in what times now?
            2. your1970
              your1970 10 December 2015 19: 42
              -2
              Fraer
              The first time I see a person who knows many ways to overthrow power belay belay belay
              And V.I. Lenin saw only one .... probably he was naive, young and stupid .... fool
              There are only three ways to overthrow power - the revolution, the seizure of power by the military and a peaceful transition through elections ...
              And usually the first two also come together ..
              And here: a lot !!!! .....
              The confusion in your head is specific ...

              ZY power selected in the framework of the current legislation is ALWAYS LEGAL ..
              see 404 country - how legal are they
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 December 2015 07: 40
            +2
            Quote: Igor39
            You are talking about seizing power, implying that it needs to be taken back

            What do you think?
            Quote: Igor39
            By election or overthrow

            Everyone dreamed of one thing, although each one wanted differently. what
            Quote: Igor39
            by type of Ukraine?

            What are you .. what are you? We are quite happy with the St. Petersburg experience. yes
            1. Igor39
              Igor39 10 December 2015 07: 57
              +2
              "Stroporez" Everything suits me, except for the results of privatization.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 10 December 2015 08: 14
                +4
                Quote: Igor39
                Everything suits me, except for the results of privatization.

                I laugh with you.
                You are not satisfied with the "stove", near which everyone is dancing and everything is spinning?
                You spit on enta privatization, do not keep a stone in your bosom, be loyal, forgive them, do not drive the wave.
                So the president says that there will be no revision request
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 07: 45
          +4
          Quote: fraer
          The power is seized.

          According to your nickname, you might think that half the life in the zones is for nothing. Have you leaned back? What did he get into?
          1. fraer
            fraer 10 December 2015 07: 50
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            .Looked back long ago? What did he get into?

            Citizen Chief !! I have nothing to do with! The reservation is all, the reservation! fellow
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 07: 53
              +5
              Quote: fraer
              The reservation is all, the reservation!

              Political means laughing
              1. fraer
                fraer 10 December 2015 07: 56
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Political means

                There are many articles, and all are political, one of them is 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. request
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 08: 10
                  -1
                  Quote: fraer
                  There are a lot of articles, one of them is 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

                  58.10 of the Criminal Code of the USSR is crying for you .. laughing
                  1. Igor39
                    Igor39 10 December 2015 08: 14
                    -5
                    282 is an article by Russian fascists
                    1. fraer
                      fraer 10 December 2015 08: 32
                      +5
                      Igor, you are wrong. This article was conducted not by imaginary "Russian fascists" but by real ones. I would even say not fascists, but hidden Nazis.
                      Personally for you.
                      http://zerkalov.org.ua/node/5566
                      Think about something you can learn from yourself.
                      1. Igor39
                        Igor39 10 December 2015 08: 40
                        0
                        Here, links to a purely fascist Ukrainian site where, as I understand it, you draw your worldview, I immediately realized what kind of person, article 282 ......
                      2. fraer
                        fraer 10 December 2015 09: 08
                        +5
                        Well, you see how you perceive everything. All in black and white.
                        Ukraine, black. Russia, white. And the world is multicolored, with millions of shades. Too lazy to poke around (yes you do not appreciate it), and on Russian sites it is. This is how people are divided. On black and white.
                        And as I understand it, you are also color blind. what
                      3. Igor39
                        Igor39 10 December 2015 09: 12
                        0
                        Well, as I understand it, you approve of the activities of the volunteer battalions and the Right Sector in the fight against "cotton wool" and "colorado"? I would like to hear your opinion about these formations.
                      4. fraer
                        fraer 10 December 2015 09: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Igor39
                        Well, as I understand it, you approve of the activities of the volunteer battalions and the Right Sector in the fight against "cotton wool" and "colorado"? I would like to hear your opinion about these formations.

                        Igor, do you know what a measure of understanding is?
                        I will try to explain with my tongue-tied language.
                        Stand on the seashore. What do you see? Waves, a boat on the horizon, foam from the surf. Is this the sea? No. Dive, do not be lazy, and you will discover what you do not see on the shore. So it is here. All these good battalions, the right sectors are the tip of the iceberg shown by the media.
                        But if you don’t dive, you won’t understand. So the media will use you, in all holes. Sorry for the last words hi
                      5. Igor39
                        Igor39 10 December 2015 09: 53
                        0
                        Well then, will you explain to me about your understanding of the link you gave me?
                      6. fraer
                        fraer 10 December 2015 10: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: Igor39
                        Well then, will you explain to me about your understanding of the link you gave me?

                        This is the essence of our troubles. Notice that I am not anti-Semite.
                        Whoever claims this has one gyrus in his head and then a straight one.
                        Zionism: You will find many interpretations on the net.
                        But this is closer to me.
                        Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת, otsionut - from the name of Mount Zion in Jerusalem) is a racist Jewish movement proclaiming the idea of ​​the exclusivity of the Jewish people. The purpose of the movement during its creation was the unification and revival of the Jewish people in their "historical homeland" - in Israel (Eretz Yisrael).
                        Read my link unobtrusively. And much will become clear why we live like this now. Through these instructions, they broke through to power. I am not convincing you of anything.
                        Everyone has his own head on his shoulders, and everyone must make his own choice, to the best of his understanding hi
                      7. Igor39
                        Igor39 10 December 2015 10: 37
                        +1
                        Even if they are in power, there are much more Russians, and it is the Russians who rule Russia, officials in particular.
                      8. fraer
                        fraer 10 December 2015 11: 40
                        +3
                        I will not dissuade. I repeat. Each with his own head should think. And to sew his own head to the other, alas, medicine is powerless.
                        Although not. Media quite successfully deal with this.
                        I say goodbye to sim hi
                      9. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 10 December 2015 11: 41
                        +4
                        Quote: Igor39
                        then there are much more Russians, and it is precisely the Russians who rule Russia, officials in particular.

                        Blessed is he who believes. You do not bother to re-read at your leisure catechism. It spells out in detail which Russians are allowed into power.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 December 2015 09: 10
            +2
            Quote: Igor39
            , I immediately realized what kind of person

            You are fast. shutter shutter stop
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 10 December 2015 08: 24
      +2
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      58.10 of the Criminal Code of the USSR cries for you

      Whose is that?
      58-10. "Propaganda or agitation containing a call to overthrow, undermine or weaken Soviet power or to commit individual counter-revolutionary crimes (Articles 58-2 - 58-9), as well as the distribution or production or storage of literature of the same content, entail - imprisonment for a period of at least six months. "
      There is no Soviet power, but the agitation is revolutionary ... on the contrary, so it’s necessary for a medal yes
      1. fraer
        fraer 10 December 2015 08: 48
        +3
        Quote: Stroporez
        so it’s necessary to medal

        Order of "stooped" and ..... years without the right of correspondence, already received. request
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 08: 58
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        There is no Soviet power, but agitation is revolutionary on the contrary.

        Do not convince - ten years, without the right to correspondence, period .. laughing
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 December 2015 09: 22
          +2
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Do not convince - ten years, without the right of correspondence, that’s the point.

          He’s blowing here with you, I’ll go ... otherwise I’ll say what a thread there is repeat
    3. fraer
      fraer 10 December 2015 08: 42
      +3
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      58.10 of the Criminal Code of the USSR is crying for you.

      We will return to the legal field of the USSR, we will surrender. fellow
      Or maybe amnesty? what
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 08: 26
    +3
    Quote: fraer
    One of them is 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

    I mixed up the numbers in some places, I wanted to write 228 wink
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 08: 12
    +2
    Quote: fraer
    The reservation is all, the reservation!

    Stab - old lady-interest-maker is you an ax .. laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 08: 25
      +1
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      - the interest lady is you an ax

      Not an ax. And a chainsaw, well, according to the case winked
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 December 2015 08: 27
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Not an ax, but a chainsaw,

        1. fraer
          fraer 10 December 2015 09: 16
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Not an ax. And a chainsaw, well, according to the case

          Damn. Bad years lived. Well this is how evolution jumped! belay
          ... a chainsaw .... controlled by a drone ....
  • Afotin
    Afotin 10 December 2015 06: 20
    12
    The ultimate measure of social protection is certainly not a panacea. But in my opinion, terrorists, drug dealers and a number of other persons who have committed particularly serious crimes must be shot on the air. So that others think.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 10 December 2015 06: 35
      27
      Quote: Afotin
      The ultimate measure of social protection is certainly not a panacea. But in my opinion, terrorists, drug dealers and a number of other persons who have committed particularly serious crimes must be shot on the air. So that others think.

      And we are offered to remember that serial killers and pedophiles are "people too" and feed them to the end of their filthy life at our taxpayers' expense. And the thieves who steal from the country, all of us - generally amnesty in connection with the 20th anniversary of the Constitution and as "defenders of the Fatherland."

      The other day "humanists" tried to throw me down with rags because I called for something like an oprichnina to be introduced to fight corruption. The people at VO did not give offense. So I became even more entrenched in the thought that it is necessary not only to return the death penalty, but also in SPECIAL cases to make it public. Why are we not embarrassed to show photos of the victims of maniacs and are embarrassed to hang them publicly? Those in the photo, by the way, hang for drugs ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 06: 52
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        And we are asked to remember that serial killers and pedophiles are "people too"

        When they catch the present, there are no questions, but if as in the case of Chikatilo, before he was caught for the murders he committed, an innocent was shot
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 10 December 2015 07: 04
          11
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , and if as in the case of Chikatilo, before he was caught for the murders he committed, an innocent was shot

          And the blame Taburetkina or Vasilyeva also need to prove? And if a character has 14 convictions, should he be isolated from society forever?

          In order not to shoot the innocent, one must not put pressure on the same operas, not demand "sticks". The one who was shot instead of Chikatilo is a victim of the "cane system", and not the existence of "capital punishment" ... And now Chikatilo would be imprisoned, and after 20-25 years they would be released on parole. Better?
        2. Darkness
          Darkness 10 December 2015 07: 04
          +1
          How many such cases were in the USSR?
        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 07: 49
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          for the murders committed by him, an innocent was shot

          Sasha this "innocent" also had three corpses behind his back .. so it's still a question of whether this is a mistake ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 08: 09
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67

            Sasha this "innocent" also had three corpses behind his back .. so it's still a question of whether this is a mistake.

            Yes, on the drum, how many corpses he has behind his back, this is a miscarriage of justice. If he had been shot for his own, I would not say a word.
            Look now, almost 40% who are considered by the Supreme Court on appeal or have a judicial error or jambs of the investigation. 40% percent! At this level of the judicial system and the system of sticks in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is nothing to comment on.
            Kolya hi
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 09: 17
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, how many

              I do not believe in your liberalism, differently ..
            2. sunzhenets
              sunzhenets 10 December 2015 10: 21
              0
              So we have acquittals, EMNIP, 0,06%. Courts consider criminal cases on the principle "the investigation is always right".
              1. Down House
                Down House 10 December 2015 13: 51
                +2
                Quote: Sunflower
                So we have acquittals, EMNIP, 0,06%. Courts consider criminal cases on the principle "the investigation is always right".

                Just the same we have such a low percentage, and because we have bodies of "investigation-inquiry" plus the prosecutor's office plus the administrative department, and all this, more or less, but normally works.
                But in the USA, for example, for almost any offense they immediately "invite" to court - hence the percentage of "acquittals" is so high that it is at least ten times easier for them to go to court than in our country.
        4. anip
          anip 10 December 2015 09: 18
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Chikatilo, before being caught for his murders, an innocent was shot

          Yes, Chikatilo is innocent of the crimes, but the one who fell under the distribution was by no means a "white sheep", but a repeat offender.
      2. jPilot
        jPilot 10 December 2015 07: 10
        +9
        I absolutely support, by the way, one of the reasons for the rampant crime in the 90s was the abolition of the death penalty. Knowing people, the logic is unequivocally: "They won't shoot. And then we'll figure it out." And the hope for accomplices (that they will pull out) remains.
        And the death penalty in exceptional 100% proven cases must be returned !!!!! Especially for children
        1. Ermak
          Ermak 10 December 2015 07: 34
          +1
          jPilot (2)

          By the way, one of the reasons for rampant crime in the 90s was the abolition of the death penalty.


          The revelry in crime was already in 93, and in 96 the execution was canceled.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 08: 10
          0
          Quote: jPilot
          By the way, one of the reasons for rampant crime in the 90s was the abolition of the death penalty

          The death penalty in the early 90s scared very few people, the lads died in the showdown, like cockroaches throughout the country. Perfectly realizing that tomorrow may not be. When the state is chaos, the power in the cities takes up the crime, which happened then.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 09: 15
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The death penalty in the early 90s scared few people, the lads died in a showdown,

            I agree with that .. there was no doubt about the bullet .. it strains the new shaft of crime, if you look into the real statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then the hair will stand on end by the growth of robberies and robberies, look at the criminal chronicle in your city and extrapolate to the scale of the country .. complete tin. .
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 December 2015 08: 02
        +6
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Those in the photo, by the way, hang for drugs ...

        They hang very well, hang reliably, creatively.
        Only for us this method is expensive today, crane services are going off scale now ..., it will have to be the old-fashioned way ..., with broadcasting on news channels and instead of advertising, such as the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation warns further the transfer of articles: for pedophilia, embezzlement, drug trafficking, production and trade in singed vodka, etc. and signs on the neck: thief, rapist ...
        1. aba
          aba 10 December 2015 08: 34
          +1
          broadcast on news channels and instead of advertising

          How zadolbal this advertisement.
          I recall Peskov’s essays about America in the Communist Party back in the days of the USSR and when he talked about melodies from advertising, then for me it was not clear.
          A moratorium to cancel!
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  • magician
    magician 10 December 2015 06: 20
    13
    In the Kremlin, speaking out against the return of the death penalty, in 2013 it was said that “toughening punishment does not lead to the eradication of crime”.

    the death penalty is necessary as a punishment. there are crimes for which for life it is like a spit in the faces of the victims.
  • alex-cn
    alex-cn 10 December 2015 06: 22
    +2
    The death penalty is still needed ... But the list of crimes should be extremely limited. A jury trial is mandatory and only a unanimous verdict.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 06: 56
      +1
      Quote: alex-cn
      A jury trial is mandatory and only a unanimous verdict.

      A strange jury trial.
      Oh well, let's start with the jury. Case of organized criminal group COMMON AREA in the dock four thieves in law, one hanged himself in a cell (possibly helped)
      All jurors unexpectedly receive an inheritance from unknown relatives in the form of money and apartments in Moscow. Spare assessors massively refuse further participation at their own request.
      Do you need to continue?
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 10 December 2015 07: 08
        +2
        Ways to resolve these issues - the sea, there would be a desire.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 08: 11
          0
          Quote: alex-cn
          Ways to resolve these issues - the sea, there would be a desire.

          Well, come on a couple of ways, otherwise the state does not know how to solve this problem.
      2. Darkness
        Darkness 10 December 2015 07: 12
        0
        Can you give examples?
      3. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 10 December 2015 10: 10
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: alex-cn
        A jury trial is mandatory and only a unanimous verdict.

        A strange jury trial.
        Oh well, let's start with the jury. Case of organized criminal group COMMON AREA in the dock four thieves in law, one hanged himself in a cell (possibly helped)
        All jurors unexpectedly receive an inheritance from unknown relatives in the form of money and apartments in Moscow. Spare assessors massively refuse further participation at their own request.
        Do you need to continue?

        I agree .... for exceptional crimes - terrorism, drugs, pedophilia, the murder of two or more people, treason, death penalty, corruption worth a million plus one ruble - and only professional judges of the highest category! No jury ...
      4. vasiliysxx
        vasiliysxx 10 December 2015 13: 45
        +2
        Not a correct example, then those who obdirutsya were dismissed and scored a normal jury, the result: from 17 to 23 years of imprisonment to the organizers of the organized crime group.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 10 December 2015 14: 48
      +1
      Quote: alex-cn
      Jury trial required

      I always say: "Read the classics, everything is written there ..."
      I was still completely at a loss, when, looking up, I saw Lal Chovdar, the servant, at the door of my house. He slid into the room inaudibly and locked the door behind him.
      “Don't be scared, sahib,” he said. “No one will know that you killed him.” Let's hide it away - and the ends in the water.
      “But I did not kill!” I protested.
      “I heard everything,” Lal Chovdar shook his head, smiling. - I heard you quarrel, heard the sound of a blow.
      But on my lips a seal of silence. Everyone in the house is sleeping. Let's take it together.

      And I made up my mind. If my own servant does not believe me, how can one expect twelve stupid jury traders to believe in your innocence?

      Arthur Conan Doyle. "The sign of four"
      The jury trial is all the more not a panacea, since it is subject to the enormous influence of the crowd and cannot objectively consider the facts. To be honest, I don’t know the way out, but I suspect that during the time of the monarchy it was easier - the monarch executed one and, if anything, was responsible for the sentence. A good monarch executes Serdyukov without investigation and evidence. Well, a bad one, so why now ... No luck with the monarch ...
  • bad
    bad 10 December 2015 06: 23
    +9
    Does Russia need a moratorium on the death penalty, or is it time to stop the restrictive period on the action of capital punishment
    let me be accused of all mortal sins, but only if they don’t feed and support the terrorists of drug dealers and rapists for the taxes I paid (better buy bullets), for us .. I put the device on world opinion, my shirt is closer to body ..
  • papanya59
    papanya59 10 December 2015 06: 24
    10
    Of course we must execute the freaks! And also for the theft in especially large! I will sign any petition for the lifting of the moratorium.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 06: 58
      +1
      Quote: papanya59
      I will sign any petition for lifting the moratorium.

      At first he was ready to sign any petition.
      Then he was ready to sign any confession, if only it would end.
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 10 December 2015 20: 44
      0
      Quote: papanya59
      for theft in especially large

      Let the forest go to Siberia. At least part of the damage will be compensated ...
  • tolian
    tolian 10 December 2015 06: 25
    13
    The death penalty dramatically reduces especially dangerous crime. This is well known to experts from the ban and again the permission of the death penalty in the USSR.
    I believe that Yeltsin caved in before the West. As in education reforms. Maybe drunk.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 December 2015 06: 59
      -4
      Quote: tolian
      The death penalty dramatically reduces especially dangerous crime

      You can’t say for China.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 10 December 2015 07: 29
        +2
        And how is it, in China, with especially dangerous criminals? Compared to Russia.
      2. anip
        anip 10 December 2015 09: 21
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You can’t say for China.

        And what now to iron them all on a head?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 December 2015 09: 25
          0
          Quote: anip
          And what now to iron them all on a head?

          Not only feed ishosh nadot.
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      3. The Chat
        The Chat 10 December 2015 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You can’t say in China

        It is precisely in China that one can say that when regardless of ranks and orders they are judged by cases, and even an official of the rank of minister for embezzlement receives a bullet in the forehead at the stadium, and all property is confiscated from relatives -
        all this sharply reduces even economic crimes, and I’m not talking about criminal ones.
        I am constantly circulating to and from China.
        So we were in a province in the South-East in a provincial town, which bothered - the police, not even the traffic cops, were visible.
        We ask what is?
        Answer: there is no police in the city due to the lack of crime ....
        Of course this is an extreme case, crime in China, of course, especially in large cities.
        BUT they fight it mercilessly and if you look at the number of crimes per capita (and in China there are many of these souls), the death penalty is the very thing for the state that wants to exist .....
  • Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 10 December 2015 06: 30
    +4
    I support all or almost everyone who is in favor of the death penalty. But! What is the use of killing a reptile? Who will feel better from this? We must send this reptile for the rest of his life, how much will be given there, to such places so that this reptile or this reptile worked tirelessly for the good of the rest of the country and so that they had no hopes for anything. This is the main thing that they should know.
    1. Wolka
      Wolka 10 December 2015 06: 39
      +1
      I fully support, you are absolutely right, colleague
    2. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 10 December 2015 06: 56
      +6
      And next to this reptile there will be several guards ...
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 10 December 2015 07: 05
        +1
        In Russia, there was a good "institution" of hard labor.
        1. Funnels
          Funnels 10 December 2015 08: 41
          +5
          He is now, though a voluntary shift is called.
          And on the topic, I’m for the death penalty, especially maniacs, terrorists. And theft is especially large. You will know that having stolen a million has every chance not to use the stolen, he will think. And while Hodor was still sitting, he had millions dropping percent, came out and continues to fatten. Vasilieva is the same example.
    3. Darkness
      Darkness 10 December 2015 07: 10
      0
      For example, where should he work?
    4. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 10 December 2015 10: 25
      0
      1) today convicts only work optional.
      2) what tool can be entrusted to a convicted person for life?
    5. Down House
      Down House 10 December 2015 13: 58
      -1
      Quote: Tatar 174
      this reptile worked tirelessly for the good of the rest of the country and so that they had no hopes for anything.

      Are you talking about the "average" Russian who survives paycheck to payday? laughing
  • pravednik
    pravednik 10 December 2015 06: 34
    +2
    Honestly, I personally am also against the death penalty. Life is given by the Lord. And only he has the right to take it away. BUT. But all those who are given life sentences should not be tormented while sitting in comfortable cells, like in a resort, but kept like slaves on galleys. So that they curse themselves, for their deeds, their whole remaining life. And do not listen to the barking of any domestic and foreign human rights defenders and their criticism. By the way, gentlemen, deputies, why do not you want to adopt a strict pedophile law that would have one article and one life sentence. Or are you not interested in this? For seducing eight minors, the judge gives the thirty-year-old pedophile 18 years. When he is released at 48 years old, he will still spoil the life of several youngsters, embittered. Or do you want this?
    1. Military Builder
      Military Builder 10 December 2015 07: 00
      +8
      you are apparently just young and your children are not here, but, God forbid, it would happen to your children as the Kasimovs, you personally would have torn the pieces with this bare Russian (got a reptile surname) to pieces on the spot.
    2. Darkness
      Darkness 10 December 2015 07: 07
      +1
      Keep this religious discourse to yourself. We live in a secular state and the issue of the death penalty should be decided by the appropriate authorities.
    3. datura23
      datura23 10 December 2015 07: 17
      +1
      the apostle Paul - "it is not for nothing that the chief carries his sword"
    4. Down House
      Down House 10 December 2015 14: 01
      -1
      Quote: pravednik
      But all those who are given life sentences should suffer

      But isn't freedom also given to man by the "Lord" and isn't he the only one who can take it away ?! laughing
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 10 December 2015 19: 39
        +1
        The freedom given to man by the Lord is not constrained by the chains, Down House.
        1. Down House
          Down House 11 December 2015 01: 45
          -2
          Quote: Stanislav
          chains are not embarrassed

          What are you talking about now laughing
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 11 December 2015 09: 55
            0
            Quote: Down House
            What did you mean
            The fact that there is that inner freedom of the spirit about which you undertake to interpret, without understanding its essence. And if you ask about chains, then the answer lies on the surface in Google.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 December 2015 06: 50
    -1
    Pyakin has one story about the death penalty. A very large percentage of those found guilty of the most serious crimes were convicted without any evidence. During serving time, some of the cases were reviewed and people were acquitted due to new facts. And if they had been killed?
    Not the perfection of Russian litigation is often discussed, but still. There were COMMUNICATIONS that 1/3 of all convicts were innocent and kept in places of detention, because they believed that their innocence was obvious and did not take a lawyer at all.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 10 December 2015 07: 09
      +3
      The death penalty with a delay of 5 years. In exceptional cases.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 10 December 2015 07: 23
      +3
      Only when the examination, the witnesses - everything is in N .-- let the investigation, but so that 100% what exactly he is guilty.
      VERY IMPORTANT. Keep track of the sick man. This is prevention !!! This year several terrible crimes committed by psycho patients were widely covered. THERE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING !! There should be no indulgences to them. Let them give them medicines to the maximum, supervise bodies watch over this. There will be fewer crimes.
  • strelets
    strelets 10 December 2015 06: 53
    +3
    They can only leave life in one case - if such a life is worse than death.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 December 2015 06: 59
    +4
    Personally, I think that if a crime was committed by a drug addict or a drunk with experience,
    especially if previously tried, then lean against the wall without any options.
    That is, you can decide on the expense of error, when a person has not been seen in a bad way before.
    But when this is clearly an asocial element, it is definitely not worth keeping such alive.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 10 December 2015 07: 01
    +8
    It's time already, it's time to get out of the soft embrace of tolerant Europe. It is high time to understand that Russia is not Europe and go its own way, without looking back at the "world community". So that in 50-100 years, they lifted up their pants and ran to adopt our values.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 December 2015 07: 05
    +2
    I want to add - the terrorists and their accomplices are death. Also a betrayal of the Motherland. Where is the guarantee that the investigation is carried out correctly? How many reports, including recently about errors in the court.
    What happened: the housing office, which ALREADY REMOVED from us for violations, filed a lawsuit that she wanted to make repairs in our apartment, but we don’t want to, she rigged the documents and won the court without us, that she could break into our apartment and make repairs where she wants !!! ??? And it was a secret from us. Then we won the courts. Thank God. But the same wild mess can be in criminal proceedings.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 10 December 2015 09: 02
      +1
      Someone doesn’t agree that this is a mess? According to other articles, forum users write that they’ve been sitting for 5 years for a bag of potatoes, and they have been living happily for billions. Or about traffic accidents. Why do you think that everyone will be executed correctly? There will be the same priorities.
      It's too late to plant a psycho when the crime is perfect. Must be separated in advance.
      1. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 10 December 2015 10: 46
        0
        Did you hang around with psychiatric patients? It was periodically placed in hospitals for treatment in the USSR and during the Soviet Union, there were various boarding schools and homes for psychiatric patients. At that time, funding for psychiatric hospitals and hospitals was even higher than ordinary hospitals.
        And now, on psycho-patients, frankly spit on everyone: both treatment and maintenance.
        The medical institution submits documents to VTEK for the 2nd group, and in the commission, having learned that there is no one to look after the patient, they shove a 3-worker and goodbye. Although they themselves say that this patient will not be able to live in society.
        And to conduct treatment, the case of relatives of distant or near, and not doctors.
        Although, according to the rules of the Ministry of Health, it was still the USSR, it should be transported accompanied by honey workers and a pair of orderlies.
        And you are still judging by the films The Caucasian Captive and Ivan Vasilievich is changing his profession, where the special team of doctors and all hockey come to the first voiced one ...
        There is no genossa; now, until the psycho-unhealthy person has committed a crime, he is not interesting to doctors or representatives of the authorities and the law.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 10 December 2015 23: 52
          0
          I’m answering now, just arrived. Something I know. The topic is in contact with the medical (yesterday). The country and state programs have been lost. For example, for sick patients and tuberculosis (this is off topic) as a result of crimes of varying severity are committed by people who evade treatment .Now there are opportunities for this. This is an example of 3 most serious crimes this year. And if you take into account, as under socialism, this horror would not happen. For example, an old criminal woman. Some
          a friend works in this topic. About execution. They say that under socialism there was more order. Probably like that (I didn’t see it) But then it turns out there is more order in court production and there was more execution among mortals? And if now, as they say, there is no order for an accident, there is no order about embezzlement of state property, in medicine, there is no order in the fight against corruption there is no order, etc. .. So why will there be order in relation to the death penalty? So I think that in this case those who are not money for a lawyer, regardless of who the crime is with ruffles. There were topics when criminals deliberately rigged them in advance. So when the right law appears on the possibility of protecting oneself, relatives, property, then talk about the death penalty. And also, when the decisions of the courts that surprise everyone, stop, then the death penalty. When there will be order in the whole judicial process - then in the death penalty it will be possible correctness. It is not a question of a single criminal, but the creation of a system.
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 10 December 2015 07: 05
    +3
    instead of the death penalty, send to work, but still where you will not last long, and for pedophiles and murderers of children, death and sentence are uniquely executed publicly
  • Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 10 December 2015 07: 10
    +4
    Why waste resources, HAVE harmful production, let scum work there for soldering, do not want to work your business. Then yes to the wall without talking. For officials and bribe takers, that’s it.
  • emercom1979
    emercom1979 10 December 2015 07: 12
    +6
    Punishment must be commensurate with the crime. I personally knew one murderer personally (it’s never been so lucky in life), so he was sent for life. And I would give him the death penalty with a delay in execution. That he would flinch at every creak of the door. You see, he loves when he is shot on camera, everyone believes that the feat was accomplished and became famous, and he killed 3 14-year-old girls with particular cruelty.
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 10 December 2015 07: 13
    +4
    Of course, I am for the return of the death penalty, but subject to a trial by jury. But collecting juries in our time is almost a feat, someone is busy at this hour, someone has diarrhea, someone has not arranged a weather forecast, and so on.
    Definitely need to enter the execution for drugs and pedophilia.
  • Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 10 December 2015 07: 26
    +5
    The death penalty should be used for especially serious crimes, against children - definitely the gallows, treason, espionage, terrorism, drugs, the slave trade ... Something like that. Killed - according to kill and nits. The only way.
  • datura23
    datura23 10 December 2015 07: 28
    -3
    Mass atheism, although not the only one, but one of the causes of serious crimes, a deeply Believing person (no matter which religion is traditional for Russia) will not do what the atheists do, who have no internal limiter.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 10 December 2015 08: 08
      -1
      Stop lying.
      What was it like there in the Orthodox Republic of Ingushetia? And what about the atheistic USSR? And in today's "believing" Russia?
      And further. Which society has the largest percentage of believers? That's right, in the society of Zek.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 10 December 2015 09: 33
        -2
        The believer forgives himself all the sins in advance, and the priest next door fusses and forgives sins in the name of God. Therefore, they build churches or just chapels for convicts. All for the peace of mind and the convenience of convicts. But only with the victims how? Not only are they robbed, killed, raped, but they also take a denyuzhku monthly to keep these bandits.
        I remember how in Rostov-on-Don there were no crimes for two weeks after the abolition of the death penalty, all the bandits and their hangers-on celebrated their deliverance from the threat to precious lives.
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      3. Stanislas
        Stanislas 10 December 2015 20: 00
        +1
        Quote: Darkness
        Stop lying.
        So show an example. There were few deep believers in the former Russia, but now there are very few of them. You distort words and percentages like a real sharpie.
  • sery volk
    sery volk 10 December 2015 07: 29
    +4
    unequivocally for the death penalty, liberals know that without the death penalty there are more murders, more violence, and that’s good for them
  • antikilller55
    antikilller55 10 December 2015 07: 29
    +7
    I agree with the article completely, time is already ripe and our society has long been ready for this. Shooting for terrorism, pedophilia, drugs, heavy and serial killings, large-scale thefts.
  • veteran56
    veteran56 10 December 2015 07: 30
    +6
    With the introduction of the death penalty, the sentence should never be imposed by a jury! The death penalty should be applied, first of all, to terrorists. Pedophiles and serial killers deserve capital punishment, but robbers and bribes should sit longer.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 10 December 2015 20: 17
      0
      Quote: veteran56
      The death penalty should be applied, first of all, to terrorists
      Not this way. First of all, the death penalty should be applied to civil servants, starting with judges, so that they, by chance, are not terrorists who have identified their affairs to cover up. And then terrorists, pedophiles and others.
  • The black
    The black 10 December 2015 07: 36
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    While it is possible to kill the innocent, it is impossible to impose the death penalty. Life sentence is the most correct decision. And we do not just have this opportunity. No one believes the investigative authorities completely. Our investigation is based on checkmarks. The number of crimes uncovered is the rank and position.
    Although sometimes, with tolerance I have problems, I would shoot the bastard ...

    Quite understandable point of view. I do not agree with her, but you are a plus, because she does not deserve so many minuses ...
  • ffylh
    ffylh 10 December 2015 07: 48
    +4
    As a taxpayer, I don’t want to keep murderers and rapists for life for my money !!!
    And to prevent miscarriage of justice, you can conduct a preliminary detention for a period of 4-5 years! If during this time, new circumstances of the crime did not appear, then execute the criminals!
  • Basil50
    Basil50 10 December 2015 07: 57
    +3
    A democratic attack with the rights of murderers, robbers and thieves, with the defeat of the rights of victims, will continue for a long time until the authorities realize the threat to their own well-being, well, or they don’t kill anyone close to them in a particularly perverted form. The right to self-defense, protection of relatives and friends was taken away from us, the right to punish bandits and murderers. At the same time, endless stories about * torment * in the conclusion of those who managed to catch and condemn. Worst of all, self-defense is equated with a felony. Why are criminals so protective that they are so protected? And with the postulate of a miscarriage of justice, everything is simple, in RUSSIA there is no responsibility for malfeasance, well, except that they will be fired from the * feeder *. In RUSSIA, the most responsible drivers are those who are responsible for everything that happens on the road, even for the road itself, but even among them they formed untouchables. It seems to me that only when the rights of citizens to protection from any encroachments appear, when irresponsibility becomes unprofitable, much will work out, I really hope so.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 10 December 2015 07: 59
    -1
    I still think that the majority of pedophiles are crazy patients. Most of them are perverts too! If they were in a madhouse, they would save everyone: and women’s children. If a sick person has something suspicious, he’s a madhouse without regret. Also addicts, drug addicts, wheels Nicky and some smokers. LET there for prevention 10 years, and then think.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 10 December 2015 08: 18
      +1
      Who will contain them there?
  • Shurale
    Shurale 10 December 2015 08: 01
    +1
    Why discuss ethics and morality? Simple statistics will easily answer this question:

    If the number of crimes for which shootings used to be given increased during the maratorium, then the death penalty must be returned ...

    Another conversation, is this the most important thing in the country that needs to be changed?
    Maybe first we’ll introduce at least some ACTING anti-corruption laws?
  • spolo
    spolo 10 December 2015 08: 06
    +4
    I believe the death penalty should be, and also the law should state that the executioner may be a close relative of the victim. Ax, chair switch, bullet is not important.
  • Surgeon
    Surgeon 10 December 2015 08: 09
    10
    It is necessary to introduce the death penalty for:
    1. Terrorists
    2. Pedofilov
    3. Drug distributors
    4. Assassins - robbers, maniacs, 2 or more people.
    5. Malicious repeat offenders.

    Just think about it - the FSIN budget for 2015 is 633 billion rubles, the number of prisoners in July 2015 is 657 thousand. It turns out that the content of 1 prisoner per month is about 83 thousand rubles. While the allowance for a child under 1,5 years old is 2718 rubles for the first and 5437 for the second ... per month. How much does a cartridge cost?
  • Roman 25
    Roman 25 10 December 2015 08: 11
    +6
    Once upon a time, retired Major General Justice held a class with us, a former judge ...
    And just touched on this topic. The essence of his words is roughly as follows: no matter how tough and mature the criminal was, as soon as he heard - the highest measure, he was ready to do anything to Live! (More than 20 such sentences were passed on them). And most importantly, the existence of a supreme measure is a "stopper" for thugs, and in the modern world also for "the rulers of this world ($$$)", since you can avoid anything else.
    I completely agree with him.
    Yes, before passing, there must be 1000% certainty that it was he who committed the crime! Yes, there must be impartiality and integrity of judges. All this should be !!!
    For me, the very essence of the content of such geeks as Kulaev and the like, at the expense of taxpayers (including mothers and fathers of those children whom he took his life from) is disgusting, all the more so since the amounts obtained (taking into account the contents of the entire state apparatus) are astronomical !! !
  • free
    free 10 December 2015 08: 18
    +3
    return the death penalty, it is time to tie up with tolerance! and we will also push the confiscation gentlemen-bribe takers!
  • trophy
    trophy 10 December 2015 08: 37
    +1
    Well, if one is so afraid of a miscarriage of justice that is an option: Sentence: death penalty with a deferral of 5,10,15 years. For the period of the delay - hard labor. Refusal of work - the delay is terminated.
  • Idvin
    Idvin 10 December 2015 08: 47
    +1
    while they were taking chikatilo they managed to shoot several people by "sincere confession" but the death penalty is absolutely necessary because they are at least afraid of it, although it is unlikely that it will stop maniacs with its own logic and 25 years in the cell will not correct it
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 10 December 2015 08: 55
    +3
    If the authorities do everything to save the lives of murderers, rapists, and terrorists, then the question involuntarily arises - who controls us? Godfather?
  • Dyagilev
    Dyagilev 10 December 2015 09: 03
    0
    The general opinion of those wishing to legalize the murder: it is necessary to cut off Serdyukov's head so that Breivik would shudder. These are bestial emotions - a deep bow to Darwin, who "proved" that man through sex and selection went from a monkey, and, as Hitler proved, reached a superman. It's not about killing, it's about isolation. And if we still hear about Kulaev, it means that the law on the conditions of detention must be changed. If a person has committed a crime against society, then he must be isolated for life so that he cannot talk to anyone. Guarantee - food for work and books about the salvation of the soul - as a manifestation of humanity.
    1. emercom1979
      emercom1979 10 December 2015 13: 04
      0
      Think about what you have written.
      Quote: Dyagilev
      The general opinion of those wishing to legalize the murder: it is necessary to cut off Serdyukov's head so that Breivik would shudder. These are bestial emotions - a deep bow to Darwin, who "proved" that man through sex and selection went from a monkey, and, as Hitler proved, reached a superman. It's not about killing, it's about isolation. And if we still hear about Kulaev, it means that the law on the conditions of detention must be changed. If a person has committed a crime against society, then he must be isolated for life so that he cannot talk to anyone. Guarantee - food for work and books about the salvation of the soul - as a manifestation of humanity.
      Complete isolation and labor are not compatible. Learn how they are kept in high security zones. And production involves the manufacturer’s dialogue with the customer. And so it turns out neither two nor one and a half. Paradox.
      1. Dyagilev
        Dyagilev 10 December 2015 18: 54
        +1
        The meaning of labor is not in production, but in emotional and physical costs in simulating food production. If he believes that he is worthy to smoke white light, then let him pedal, shift stones from place to place, etc. If not, then do not bother yourself to move to another world. Ideally, an uninhabited island with a minimal set of tools and an implanted beacon. The general meaning is the deprivation of all the benefits that are achieved by society, providing as much as possible the grace of God.
        1. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 10 December 2015 20: 52
          0
          Quote: Dyagilev
          The meaning of labor is not in production, but in emotional and physical costs

          Irrationally.
  • Siberian-2016
    Siberian-2016 10 December 2015 09: 05
    +5
    Humanism regarding crime has two directions: regarding the offender and regarding society (including victims, of course). The proof of the very fact of the crime, as well as the involvement and guilt of the offender, today can be assessed with a sufficient degree of reliability, taking into account the modern types of expertise in proving. The death penalty simply needs to be returned to the list of existing punishments as exceptional, applied for the most inhuman crimes. This will be fair, humane, and expedient both in relation to the whole society and in the sense of the economy of the state. The slightest doubt about the proof of guilt can have the force and significance of blocking the execution of a death sentence. In such cases, the execution is postponed and the convicted person is serving a life sentence "for now", that is. until the guilt is proven undeniably and convincingly. Without any rights to indulgence or mitigation, except in cases where innocence will be established equally indisputably.
    ... We all had the full opportunity to be convinced of both the very quality of the Western version of humanism and to thoroughly examine the vector of humanistic "concern" of the so-called world community with "partners", which, in our opinion, include perversions of abnormal sex groups, including pedophilia. All this has been demonstrated to us more than vividly and convincingly. I am convinced that Russia must live according to its own laws with the complete supremacy of its own and sovereign Constitution. This should be as indisputable as the obligation of any atheist to take off his shoes when entering a mosque or as a tough responsibility, for example, for violating the prohibitions and customs of Eastern societies. In this sense, they do not bend in front of the overseas "humanists"! Why do we need it? When it is quite obvious that we still need tough laws and a firm applying hand to educate a law-abiding society and prevent crime on pain of death. Asians, sir ... Even from the Urals to Brest, whatever one may say ...
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 10 December 2015 20: 28
      0
      In general, your thought is correct, only this passage:
      Quote: Siberian-2016
      The slightest doubt about the proof of guilt may have the force and significance of blocking the execution of the death sentence.
      does not allow you to agree completely. All doubts about the proof of guilt are interpreted in favor of the suspect, the defendant and entail justification. Presumption of innocence.
      1. Siberian-2016
        Siberian-2016 11 December 2015 12: 51
        0
        Your remark is undeniably fair. (Each has a particle of Chernomyrdin!)
        Of course, it was more accurate to say about doubts about the appropriateness of the execution.
        However, it happens ...
        ... Builders are working on the collective farm. Every one of those convicted, who have served time, 12-15 people, create two cowsheds in Soviet times. On Sunday evening, this brigade feasted to the point of insanity, the villagers saw that there was a corpse under the table. The police found two more corpses, right there, at the place of the drinking bout near the wall, under the benches. All three died from stab wounds. Nobody knows anything, has not seen, has not noticed, does not remember. All were thrown into a prison. By lunch the next day, one of the builders, the smallest and most frightened, made a confession. The guard on duty said that at midnight from all the cells they yelled at the one who confessed "we are sitting here for you!" I confessed, but I couldn’t tell you anything: for nothing, about any knife, where the knife came from, where did it go, where did it hit (hit everyone and so on. They gave a tower, wrote complaints and appeals. The rest were released, they immediately all disappeared into the vastness of the USSR. They tried without direct witnesses, reading the interrogation protocols and listening to the speakers about the difficult youth and about the whole thing. One can assume with 90% confidence that they were executed. At that time I was advocating. Full conviction - the peasant was framed. But how can I prove it? The party "conscience" - the regional committee will not allow the murder of three to remain unsolved.
        ... After about two years of waiting on death row, a man refused all help and scribble. Resigned ... By the way, the smell in death row is not human, as in ordinary cells. Rather, an animal, it looks like in a circus or a zoo ... And the personality changes accordingly.
      2. Siberian-2016
        Siberian-2016 11 December 2015 12: 51
        0
        Your remark is undeniably fair. (Each has a particle of Chernomyrdin!)
        Of course, it was more accurate to say about doubts about the appropriateness of the execution.
        However, it happens ...
        ... Builders are working on the collective farm. Every one of those convicted, who have served time, 12-15 people, create two cowsheds in Soviet times. On Sunday evening, this brigade feasted to the point of insanity, the villagers saw that there was a corpse under the table. The police found two more corpses, right there, at the place of the drinking bout near the wall, under the benches. All three died from stab wounds. Nobody knows anything, has not seen, has not noticed, does not remember. All were thrown into a prison. By lunch the next day, one of the builders, the smallest and most frightened, made a confession. The guard on duty said that at midnight from all the cells they yelled at the one who confessed "we are sitting here for you!" I confessed, but I couldn’t tell you anything: for nothing, about any knife, where the knife came from, where did it go, where did it hit (hit everyone and so on. They gave a tower, wrote complaints and appeals. The rest were released, they immediately all disappeared into the vastness of the USSR. They tried without direct witnesses, reading the interrogation protocols and listening to the speakers about the difficult youth and about the whole thing. One can assume with 90% confidence that they were executed. At that time I was advocating. Full conviction - the peasant was framed. But how can I prove it? The party "conscience" - the regional committee will not allow the murder of three to remain unsolved.
        ... After about two years of waiting on death row, a man refused all help and scribble. Resigned ... By the way, the smell in death row is not human, as in ordinary cells. Rather, an animal, it looks like in a circus or a zoo ... And the personality changes accordingly.
  • Zena20298
    Zena20298 10 December 2015 09: 13
    +5
    I am for the use of the death penalty for persons who have committed particularly serious crimes and for pedophilia in any form. There is no need to suffer false humanism in relation to people who easily take someone else's life or to such as Serdyukov and Vasilyeva. The public execution of such monsters would have a positive effect on persons prone to committing crimes. In the meantime, we apparently have a pedophile lobby in the government, and the "servants of the people" are also afraid of the death penalty ...
  • Wert
    Wert 10 December 2015 09: 23
    +2
    If I’m not mistaken, then the court’s decision, including the decision of the jury, can be appealed to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation. Or do opponents of the execution believe that corruption has penetrated there too?
    Yes, maybe it’s cruel to take the criminal’s human life, but it will be a lesson to others. This example can stop some potential criminals, a sense of self-preservation will work. It can save more than one human life and this is a big plus. After all, the victims are mostly law-abiding and respectable citizens.
    Why, among other things, did the hostage-taking cease? It is clear that in this case a great contribution was made by the professionalism of our special services, which prevent this crime. But also, IMHO, due to the fact that the militants know that they will not negotiate with them, there will be an assault and they will be "cured with lead pills."
  • Kolka82
    Kolka82 10 December 2015 09: 24
    0
    Quote: Tartar 174
    It hurts a lot of zeros ...

    Hmm, a couple of three tac toe would be nice to remove ...
  • Sanyht
    Sanyht 10 December 2015 09: 31
    +2
    Yes ! It is NECESSARY for real murderers and terrorists not to shoot, but to mine URANI with a kyle in SHAHTU for rations of bread without meat ... but only REAL, and not those that thousands confess to crimes to increase the ranks ...
    1. Siberian-2016
      Siberian-2016 11 December 2015 14: 20
      0
      quote = Sanyht]
      Sanyht
      (4)
      Yesterday, 09: 31
      Yes ! It is NECESSARY for real murderers and terrorists not to shoot, but to mine URANI with a kyle in SHAHTU for rations of bread without meat ... but only REAL, and not those that thousands confess to crimes to increase the ranks ... [/ quote]

      ... Misconceptions about uranium mining. There is simply nothing to do with the kyle. Drilling holes, laying explosives, an explosion, shipping rocks, was taken away, and all again. Rarely, anyone there who catches radiation, weakened into the mine, and even into the quarry, still do not need to meddle. Tales about sending suicide bombers to uranium mines at the miners working there cause wild rzhach, lies and jokes in the mood for their criminal exploits. See the sketch with Leonov. Sometimes a novice will be spun so much that he is afraid to go to work.
      On the very first shift, the student is seriously given a three-liter jar with his full name. and instructions: collect 3 liters of urine per shift for analysis according to Shostakovich-Dorenko. So that, therefore, to find out if all uranium isotopes are naturally removed from the body, whether they get stuck ... Well, and drink more with you ... What isotopes in the form of gases (the same radon) do what, special stories where in In a mine, the potency may disappear altogether, and where - well, just miracles of male power ... By the way, the working profession "7th grade drifter" - requires both knowledge and skills and time to gain knowledge and master skills. The result pays well.
      ... And in this fun you are going to send someone for punishment?!? ...
    2. Siberian-2016
      Siberian-2016 11 December 2015 14: 20
      0
      quote = Sanyht]
      Sanyht
      (4)
      Yesterday, 09: 31
      Yes ! It is NECESSARY for real murderers and terrorists not to shoot, but to mine URANI with a kyle in SHAHTU for rations of bread without meat ... but only REAL, and not those that thousands confess to crimes to increase the ranks ... [/ quote]

      ... Misconceptions about uranium mining. There is simply nothing to do with the kyle. Drilling holes, laying explosives, an explosion, shipping rocks, was taken away, and all again. Rarely, anyone there who catches radiation, weakened into the mine, and even into the quarry, still do not need to meddle. Tales about sending suicide bombers to uranium mines at the miners working there cause wild rzhach, lies and jokes in the mood for their criminal exploits. See the sketch with Leonov. Sometimes a novice will be spun so much that he is afraid to go to work.
      On the very first shift, the student is seriously given a three-liter jar with his full name. and instructions: collect 3 liters of urine per shift for analysis according to Shostakovich-Dorenko. So that, therefore, to find out if all uranium isotopes are naturally removed from the body, whether they get stuck ... Well, and drink more with you ... What isotopes in the form of gases (the same radon) do what, special stories where in In a mine, the potency may disappear altogether, and where - well, just miracles of male power ... By the way, the working profession "7th grade drifter" - requires both knowledge and skills and time to gain knowledge and master skills. The result pays well.
      ... And in this fun you are going to send someone for punishment?!? ...
    3. Siberian-2016
      Siberian-2016 11 December 2015 14: 21
      0
      quote = Sanyht]
      Sanyht
      (4)
      Yesterday, 09: 31
      Yes ! It is NECESSARY for real murderers and terrorists not to shoot, but to mine URANI with a kyle in SHAHTU for rations of bread without meat ... but only REAL, and not those that thousands confess to crimes to increase the ranks ... [/ quote]

      ... Misconceptions about uranium mining. There is simply nothing to do with the kyle. Drilling holes, laying explosives, an explosion, shipping rocks, was taken away, and all again. Rarely, anyone there who catches radiation, weakened into the mine, and even into the quarry, still do not need to meddle. Tales about sending suicide bombers to uranium mines at the miners working there cause wild rzhach, lies and jokes in the mood for their criminal exploits. See the sketch with Leonov. Sometimes a novice will be spun so much that he is afraid to go to work.
      On the very first shift, the student is seriously given a three-liter jar with his full name. and instructions: collect 3 liters of urine per shift for analysis according to Shostakovich-Dorenko. So that, therefore, to find out if all uranium isotopes are naturally removed from the body, whether they get stuck ... Well, and drink more with you ... What isotopes in the form of gases (the same radon) do what, special stories where in In a mine, the potency may disappear altogether, and where - well, just miracles of male power ... By the way, the working profession "7th grade drifter" - requires both knowledge and skills and time to gain knowledge and master skills. The result pays well.
      ... And in this fun you are going to send someone for punishment?!? ...
  • kirpich
    kirpich 10 December 2015 09: 32
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Have a nice day, everyone

    Everything will be there laughing


    And, some, preferably, earlier. And with a bullet in the back of the head.
  • nik1321
    nik1321 10 December 2015 09: 51
    0
    If Bastrykin wants the death penalty - then let him be the first one to be sentenced - there would be a reason. And I ask everyone else to look not at how some freak is executed, but about how your son’s brother’s father or yourself will be executed for nothing .. . (The smartest ones think that they will not be touched?) Chekotilo was a murderer, if people weren’t mistaken, people were executed .. then he was caught, but you won’t return the executed ones, give the same life sentence, but people would have spent time in vain - but would have survived . I’m not sentenced to a life sentenced for life, but if anyone does their life is better, this is a completely different conversation. Death does not stop the martyrs, if a person goes to rob or kill, then he does not take into account that he will be caught - otherwise no one would go for it. The maintenance of prisoners is not as costly as it seems (if you approach the issue wisely, and not from the point of view of the EU) - they can provide themselves and protection - how many mines in the north? - I don’t want to work - she wants to get out. Actually, the execution is a softer sentence than life imprisonment. How many people are naive and stupid if they think that you cannot put a bag of heroin in the trunk of his car ... and then there is no person and no problem. And prove afterwards that the executed was an honest man ..
    As for - there is no punishment without guilt - canine bullshit ... it happens .. call it at least karma ... you can come up with accusations. It happened more than once, and it seems like it will be so for a long time ... For justice it’s not enough to have the right to judge, they still need the right to execute. In the police, etc., the order is complete ... the courts work perfectly. Without errors. Everything is perfect in prisons and only those who are free are not afraid of power enough - how. Well, what if the law on the death penalty is introduced, it is still unknown on whose neck this rope.
  • Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 10 December 2015 09: 52
    +3
    It is necessary to introduce the death penalty. I agree with those who are also in favor. Addition:
    1. The third walker is the death penalty.
    2. Terrorist - death to him, confiscation and hard labor for parents.
    3. Crazy and a killer - shooting without delay.
  • Basilevs
    Basilevs 10 December 2015 10: 00
    +4
    It seems like the Christian religion, in particular, calls for good to be repaid for evil. And then what to repay for good? One must think that justice must be paid. I can’t dispute judicial errors - that was, is and unfortunately will be. But there are definitely exposed vampires, like the same Tractor driver. They are at our expense for their worthless lives. They dream of parole - but cho, I, like, man. You look, and they will release such scum.

    "... came out in the most prosperous situation at 50 with undermined health and fucking nobody needs ..."
    So you turned out to be a filthy bastard, but where did those whom it killed came out to?
    One literary character said very well about retribution and revenge: "... What can be higher than punishment for bad deeds and actions? For you, philosopher and ethicist, revenge is a bad, bad, unethical, lawless act, finally. And I ask : where is the punishment for evil? Who should confirm, determine and measure it? Who? The gods in whom you do not believe? The great creator-demiurge with whom you decided to replace the gods? Or the law? Or maybe the Nilfgaardian justice, imperial courts, prefects? You naive old man!
    “So eye for eye, tooth for tooth?” Blood for blood? And for this blood, another blood? Sea of ​​blood? Do you want to drown the world in blood? A naive, offended girl! So you intend to fight evil, witch?
    - Yes. Exactly! Because I know what Evil is afraid of. Not your ethics, Highness, not sermons, not moral treatises on a decent life. The evil of pain is afraid, afraid of being crippled, afraid of suffering, death, finally! Wounded Evil howls in pain, like a dog! He crawls along the floor and squeals, seeing how blood is pouring from veins and arteries, seeing bones protruding from the stumps of his hands, seeing intestines falling out of his belly, feeling death come along with cold. Then, and only then, Evil's hair stands on end on its head, and then Evil whines: "Mercy! I repent of my sins! I will be good and decent, I swear! Just save, stop the blood, do not let me die shamefully!" Yes, a hermit. That's how they fight evil! If the Evil is going to offend you, to hurt you - get ahead of him, best of all at the moment when the Evil does not expect this. If you did not qualify Evil to get ahead, if Evil has time to offend you, then pay him back. Attack, it is best when it has already forgotten, when it feels safe. Pay him double. Triple. An eye for an eye? No! Both eyes for an eye! Tooth by tooth? Oh no! All teeth for a tooth! Pay back evil! Make it howl in pain, so that his eyeballs burst from this howl! And then, looking at the ground, you can safely and definitely say: what is lying around here will no longer offend anyone. No one is dangerous. Because how can one threaten without having an eye? Without both hands? How can it offend if its guts drag along the sand, and their contents are absorbed into this sand?
    “And you,” said the hermit slowly, “you stand next to a bloodied sword in your right hand, you look at the blood soaking in the sand, and you have the audacity to think that you have resolved the eternal dilemma that the dream of the philosophers has finally gained flesh.” Do you think that the nature of Evil has changed?
    “Yes,” she replied arrogantly. - Since what is lying on the ground and bleeding is no longer Evil. Perhaps this is not yet Good, but it is certainly not Evil! ... "Andrzej Sapkowski," The Swallow Tower "
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 10 December 2015 10: 20
      0
      The witcher must be filmed.
      1. Basilevs
        Basilevs 10 December 2015 14: 14
        +1
        There is one poor version, but hardly anyone will create a decent one. Raising such a layer on the screen is a task ... Moreover, Sapkovsky is not Stephen King, the West is unlikely to be interested in "Slavic" fantasy. I'll be glad to be wrong ...
  • forumow
    forumow 10 December 2015 10: 05
    -1
    The main underwater reef to abolish the death penalty is, by definition, corruption. The fact is that the corruptogenic environment, to which, so far, the judicial system also regrets, can, by definition, send a different and innocent person to the world.

    This hints as to which category of criminals should be a priority on the death penalty lists. Corruption is worse both for terrorists (which certainly cannot be intimidated) and murderers / rapists. The first, decomposing the state and society from within, is the greatest danger!
    1. forumow
      forumow 10 December 2015 23: 30
      +1
      Is this someone voting for corruption?
  • VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 10 December 2015 10: 20
    +8
    My opinion is that we need to hold a referendum and ask not a tolerant Europe whether we should introduce the death penalty, but our people. Our children eat in school canteens for money, but these "utyrks" are free. And so that there are no miscarriages of justice, these crimes should be considered in three instances. And the final verdict should be passed by the Supreme Court, or the Constitutional, or specially invented for this "Execution".
    1. _GSVG_
      _GSVG_ 13 December 2015 11: 41
      +1
      It seems to me - we must send that tolerant Europe to x ... and do everything our way.
  • Koshel2901
    Koshel2901 10 December 2015 10: 32
    +3
    Even if European values ​​remain in Europe, I do not want to feed freaks through taxes.
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 10 December 2015 10: 43
    +1
    At the very least, this could become a kind of deterrent, before committing a crime, a person would think whether to do it or not.
    1. HUMAN OWNER 1
      HUMAN OWNER 1 10 December 2015 10: 58
      0
      pedophiles are cowardly creatures, they will know that they’ll anoint the forehead with green stuff and will not climb children!