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Kazakhstan refused to sell gas to Ukraine without coordination with Russia

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Kazakhstan has officially refused to Ukraine for its requests to supply gas without coordination with the Russian side. Ukrainian information resource "Today" reports that the Deputy Minister of Energy of the Republic of Kazakhstan Magzum Mirzagaliyev made a statement on the appeal of Ukraine. His statement is as follows:
As for gas supplies to Ukraine, it must be understood that in order to supply gas to Ukraine, first of all, it is necessary to reach an agreement with Russia. To date, we have no such arrangements. We are selling gas today at the border with the Russian Federation, which satisfies us today.



Earlier, the Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine, Vladimir Demchishin, said that Kazakhstan could allegedly start supplying its gas to the territory of Ukraine. At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities stated that this “would reduce the dependence on Russian gas”. At the same time, official Kiev did not report on what routes gas from Kazakhstan should be in Ukraine “without coordination with Russia”, taking into account the geographical position of the two states.

Kazakhstan refused to sell gas to Ukraine without coordination with Russia


Recall that before the end of the year the price of Russian gas for Ukraine is 227 dollars per 1 thousand cubic meters. In 2016, Ukraine, which has a huge debt to Gazprom, expects prices to drop to 207 dollars, and that Europe will sell gas to Kiev at 175 dollars, and this is taking into account the fact that Europe itself buys it from Russia more expensively than 220 ...

Meanwhile, Ukraine has signed a contract for the supply of coal from South Africa. The first ship from the Republic of South Africa arrived in Odessa the day before, and its unloading began. According to Mr. Demchishin, coal from South Africa costs the treasury of Ukraine 57 dollars per ton, which is about 30 dollars cheaper than last year's purchases of African fuel. This in the Ministry of Energy and Industry "Square" was called "a great success." Great success - coal purchases from a country located on the other side of the world? ..
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  1. scrap123
    scrap123 7 December 2015 16: 16 New
    102
    well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 7 December 2015 16: 18 New
      52
      someone’s brains are simply not enough ... "I’ll freeze my ears for evil granny" I’d better buy coal for half the world from Africa than from damned neighbors ... the logic is reinforced concrete, or rather its absence ...
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 7 December 2015 16: 30 New
        67
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        someone’s brains are simply not enough ... "I’ll freeze my ears for evil granny" I’d better buy coal for half the world from Africa than from damned neighbors ... the logic is reinforced concrete, or rather its absence.

        The brains have long been drenched in dill, the barmalei will send humanitarian aid to them. Here and let the poop be drowned. And the Kazakhs are good fellows to take dill from the rogue.
      2. cniza
        cniza 7 December 2015 16: 33 New
        16
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        someone’s brains are simply not enough ... "I’ll freeze my ears for evil granny" I’d better buy coal for half the world from Africa than from damned neighbors ... the logic is reinforced concrete, or rather its absence ...



        For Ukraine, to put it mildly, it’s a nuisance, and now it’s not so much with a reverse.
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 7 December 2015 16: 46 New
          38
          Quote: scrap123
          well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...

          It’s too early to lick Kazakhs.
          It must be remembered that firstly, Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO and a member of the EAEU. Which by itself implies and imposes a certain measure of responsibility on the Kazakhs, to act in the wake of a common policy.

          But we Russians, have long been accustomed to the fact that our allies (for the most part) put a bolt on some problems that interest us. We solve all issues and problems of a geopolitical and military nature ourselves, and patiently treat the contacts of our allies with Western leaders. And when such handouts arise in the form of coordinating gas supplies, we perceive this as a gift from God. Although if we are allies - this should be the prose of the day (everyday life and everyday life).

          PS
          Look at the United States and its allies (albeit vassals).
          What is the degree of interaction and solidarity. If they have some kind of problem, they all put up their connections (through the media, through the ministries of foreign affairs), and act as one.

          What is going on with us? Either deathly silence, or they begin to mumble.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 7 December 2015 16: 52 New
            45
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            But we Russians, have long been accustomed to the fact that our allies (for the most part) put a bolt on some problems that interest us.

            It is not a matter of what the Kazakhs do not want. And they simply cannot. Gas will have to go through the territory of the Russian Federation, without the consent of the Russian Federation it physically cannot get to Ukraine. And there are NO other ways to Ukraine!
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 7 December 2015 16: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: Yeraz
              It is not a matter of what the Kazakhs do not want. And they simply cannot. Gas will have to go through the territory of the Russian Federation, without the consent of the Russian Federation it physically cannot get to Ukraine. And there are NO other ways to Ukraine!

              Greetings hi

              Maybe. But as regards specifically the allied aspects, there are many questions. Unfortunately.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 7 December 2015 17: 55 New
                +7
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                Greetings

                And you comrade hi
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                Maybe. But as regards specifically the allied aspects, there are many questions. Unfortunately.

                There is no alliance. The media do not particularly advertise the trade wars of the CU countries among themselves.
                In no conflict there was even ORAL support. And in the case of Turkey, not a few Kazakhs will be on the side of Turkey. You can not relieve the blood proximity of the Turkic peoples.

                And if they build a pipeline through the Caspian, Kazakhstan will change its position even more.
                1. _Vladislav_
                  _Vladislav_ 7 December 2015 19: 13 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  You can not reset the blood proximity of the Turkic peoples.

                  And if they build a pipeline through the Caspian, Kazakhstan will change its position even more.

                  Vo-in, about that and speech.

                  And so Russia has to rely solely on its own strengths and capabilities. Perhaps the emergence of some kind of temporary like-minded people, the emergence of which is possible only due to a temporary coincidence of interests.
                  1. Talgat
                    Talgat 7 December 2015 21: 27 New
                    26
                    Nonsense! What does it mean no alliance?

                    In fact, both Kazakhstan and Belarus are the closest allies of Russia, and even much closer than the allies - and related countries, related in ethnic composition, mentality, origin and history. Both republics form the core of Eurasian integration with Russia. CSTO - military alliance - bases - in Kazakhstan there are many Russian military bases Sarah Shagan, etc.

                    Syria and Iran are certainly geopolitical allies - but do you agree the Russians will unite and live with Iran in the Eurasian Union? All the same, there is a difference in mentality, and so on. With Belarus and Kazakhstan, unification is natural and should continue - the walking one will take the road and I'm sure no normal citizen of the Russian Federation will mind

                    And the fact that Belarusians and Kazakhstan do not bomb anyone in Syria - or are careful in statements - this is not at all an indicator of some kind of apostasy, etc.

                    It’s just that this is the situation in the world - all the foreign policy steps of the 3 republics are mutually agreed upon - this is unambiguous. So it’s necessary - it means tomorrow Kazakhstan will become the platform when you have to talk about something with the Turks - how Minsk has become a platform for talking with Europe - and maybe there is something else that we don’t know
                    1. igor.borov775
                      igor.borov775 8 December 2015 05: 49 New
                      +4
                      Hello!! Everything is correct but there is one subtlety. Kazakhstan is working closely with China in terms of gas supplies. There is almost no surplus. The second promising project in India. Another gas giant is also working on gas supplies to India. Ours are also working on this. India, a growing giant of space, is enough for everyone. And the second giant is Tehran. He already knows how the EU can spoil on any project, besides, he really used all his gas resources to the east. He is not in a hurry to develop new fields, a very unstable neighbor, although Turkey must strictly adhere to oil supplies to the ports. supplier scheduled Syria. It was the United States and its friends in the Middle East who wanted to take it under its control. Azerbaijan, too, does not yet have a large excess of gas, fulfills its contracts. Only Turkey and Ashgabat remain for Turkey. The fuss around the South Stream forced them to be wary of Turkey’s attempts to have something. But the Turks, as always, want to drag freebies and do not get ready to cook discounts. And with Ukraine, the pipe. We suffered the most. So many dibs went there without returning horror. This still comes back to us. There is a banking crisis that Gref was talking about. And you know, friends have practically nothing to discuss here. Freebies for Ukraine are ending. Probably like that
                  2. veksha50
                    veksha50 7 December 2015 22: 28 New
                    +1
                    Quote: _Vladislav_
                    Perhaps the emergence of some kind of temporary like-minded people, the emergence of which is possible only due to a temporary coincidence of interests.



                    Hmm .. Unfortunately, there are no such, even temporary allies and like-minded people in this region ... I mean the pipe and gas ...
            2. kuz363
              kuz363 7 December 2015 19: 04 New
              +4
              The closest to Ukraine from Kazakhstan to Russia is the Central Asia - Center gas pipeline. It was built during the USSR. By the way, it pumps Uzbek gas, not Kazakh gas. So Russia will not be able to get around.
            3. Max_Bauder
              Max_Bauder 7 December 2015 21: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              .And there are NO other ways to Ukraine!


              And what are the official paths for Afghan opium / heroin to Russia? also not, but somehow it leaks out smile
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 8 December 2015 17: 23 New
                +1
                Well, it's GAS !!! , but not opium. You can’t shove it into your pockets. Do not transport it with gas cylinders on donkeys ...
                1. Max_Bauder
                  Max_Bauder 9 December 2015 08: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Barkhan
                  Well, it's GAS !!! , not opium


                  After all, our oil after black somehow reaches the coast of Bulgaria, and then look for fistulas. There would be a desire and money, some people will not notice the smuggling here and there as usual in life.
                  1. kuz363
                    kuz363 10 December 2015 09: 21 New
                    0
                    Oil and gas are different physical environments. If oil can be transported from Aktau by tanker to Baku, then through the pipeline to Batumi, then again to the tanker, then gas is more difficult. Batumi has oil berths owned by Kaztranoil. But gas needs a gas pipeline through the Caspian, which is not there. Or LNG carrier gas carriers with coastal infrastructure, which are also missing. And the extra transshipments crossing the borders of transit states only add the price of the final product to the buyer
            4. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 8 December 2015 17: 16 New
              +3
              And if you dig under Russia ?! fellow Great Ukrainians, judging by their history books, are also those diggers ... If they dug the Black Sea, then dig under Russia, like two fingers on asphalt ... laughing
          2. unsinkable
            unsinkable 7 December 2015 17: 22 New
            +4
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            What is going on with us?

            I agree with you. They: Pidrogan did business, but he wasn’t handed over, but his own. We: just look at Belarus, they are trying to capitalize on the difficulties for Russia. They zayulat to the fullest. Azerbaijan there too. But these though would not be the Slavs.
          3. gladcu2
            gladcu2 7 December 2015 20: 18 New
            +6
            Vladislav

            Russia, worked on the basis of contracts. And on mutual understanding. Mutual understanding is the starting point from the morality of collectivism.

            Western values ​​exclude collective morality. Western values ​​are the moral of egoism. That would be where to steal or squeeze. Who to fuck. Western countries are connected by motives of fear and common crimes.

            Well, you can object. What difference does it make to me, what are the motives if Western countries are progressing.

            Firstly, they do not progress. Selfish Western morality is not creative it is consumer. Colonies, emigrant labor. Secondly, they only have to live exactly as long as the Russian Federation and the Allies allow them to live. Raw material component. Yes exactly. So far they are given time to realize and change. By the way, the Russian Federation for a long time retained the communist, collective morality, changed even in the late USSR, towards egoistic morality. But, GDP is working towards a return to basics. An improved model, I believe.
            1. esaull
              esaull 9 December 2015 09: 53 New
              0
              That's just bad when Russia treats allies with mutual understanding and they treat it with the morality of egoism
          4. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 7 December 2015 21: 36 New
            +5
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            we perceive it as a gift of God. Although if we are allies - this should be the prose of the day (everyday life and everyday life).

            PS
            Look at the United States and its allies (albeit vassals).
            What is the degree of interaction and solidarity. If they have some kind of problem, they all put up their connections (through the media, through the ministries of foreign affairs), and act as one.


            You, dear, just do not see the difference. After all, the allies of the United States, why are they unanimous? from the fact that Uncle Sam is holding their eggs, and Kazakhstan does it voluntarily. This is the essence. hi
          5. O_s_c_a_R
            O_s_c_a_R 8 December 2015 07: 44 New
            0
            Do not lick anyone, it is not hygienic.
            "..We sell gas today on the border with the Russian Federation, it satisfies us today ..." - this is the key phrase of the article
          6. demo
            demo 8 December 2015 16: 32 New
            0
            But we Russians, have long been accustomed to the fact that our allies (for the most part) put a bolt on some problems that interest us.

            Actually, in the Russian language there is no verb "to lay down", there is a verb "to put".
            But, if, of course, maybe in the context of a bolt?
            Then yes!
          7. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 8 December 2015 21: 25 New
            0
            I completely agree with you. Very correctly said. And because of such allies, we are already convinced that Russia has only the army and navy as its main allies. It’s like the aircraft carrier was sent by the paddles, so our air force immediately attributed them to the Allies. Such allies will stab in the back at any time. Our main pseudo-ally and potato president, as an incident with Turkey happened, immediately turned his back on Russia. All right said no need to deceive themselves.
      3. Lukich
        Lukich 7 December 2015 16: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        reinforced concrete logic, or rather its absence ...

        reinforced concrete lack of any logic. Yes, and where did she get from Maidan miscarriages
      4. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 7 December 2015 16: 42 New
        +5
        By the way, the logic they have is the most .... logical! The more I reward, the more I will receive (from fenders) money for cleaning ...
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        someone’s brains are simply not enough ... "I’ll freeze my ears for evil granny" I’d better buy coal for half the world from Africa than from damned neighbors ... the logic is reinforced concrete, or rather its absence ...
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 December 2015 20: 00 New
        +4
        Kazakhstan refused to sell gas to Ukraine without coordination with Russia

        Skakly cancer there in his banderstad did not get up from such a slap in the face? laughing We thought Russia could be circumvented. Take a bite! good
        Kazakhs RESPECT!
      6. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 8 December 2015 08: 00 New
        +1
        Coal in Africa?))))))))))))))))))))) Bananas in Yakutia, water in the Sahara, a man lives with a man. grows stronger
      7. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 8 December 2015 08: 40 New
        +2
        Big success - buying coal from a country located on the other side of the world? ..
        and sho? request and if cheaper? what
        but this (cheaper) is sooo hard to believe ... fool there, of course, the blacks live, they jumped from the palm yesterday, but they have brains, (since they jumped from the palm), and thus they will clearly understand that they want to throw them! nui will accordingly make an adequate decision. Last year they also squealed that they would do without coal separatists - it wasn’t received, and this year it will be the same ... sad
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 7 December 2015 16: 19 New
      +4
      Today we sell gas on the border with the Russian Federation; today it satisfies us


      And tomorrow? They are satisfied today. There are no pompous words about an alliance with the Russian Federation; there is only that such a situation is currently satisfying them.

      It would be more advantageous to offer - not the fact that we would read today exactly here

      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 7 December 2015 16: 24 New
        18
        Kazakhs, unlike Ukrainians, think with their heads.
      2. kamil_tt
        kamil_tt 7 December 2015 16: 25 New
        23
        But should it be otherwise?
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 7 December 2015 16: 51 New
          55
          Gazprom has one place in Kazakhstan’s directors (Timur Kulibayev occupied this place until recently, the president’s average son-in-law). Kazakhstan is a transit country for all gas from Central Asia and has never let anyone down. In Orenburg there is a gas processing plant, in which the share of Kazakhstan is 50%, and it processes only Kazakhstani gas from Karachaganak. So what are we talking about! With gas from Russia and Central Asia we have all the little things and it would never occur to anyone to cross the road to each other.
          In the picture. We launched the third branch of the gas pipeline to China. In the process, 600 people were gasified. points in the south of Kazakhstan. The picture shows one of us like that. points where the gas came. He warned the NAS of Ukraine and Western Europe, if you do not really agree with Moscow, our gas will go to the East. No, they didn’t understand - now excuse me, but since the first gas war we have established supplies in the PRC. The plans, it remains only to throw their pipeline from west to east. And so all plans are almost realized. Even the Russian Federation offered to pump gas through our gas pipeline system to the PRC (it is only necessary to build 7 stations for pumping gas in order to launch a reverse - the NAS promises in a year). So Gazprom has something to think about while building the Power of Siberia and Altai. By the way, Altai was offered to throw money through it and allocate money to its site - another “lure” for Gazprom - the reliability of supplies is guaranteed, we are not Ukrainians - we never dabbled in valves. So for the sake of some Demchishins and a momentary benefit, Kazakhstan will not ruin well-established relations and the work of the whole industry. hi
          1. severniy
            severniy 7 December 2015 19: 14 New
            11
            Quote: Kasym
            Gazprom has one place in Kazakhstan’s directors (Timur Kulibayev occupied this place until recently, the president’s average son-in-law). Kazakhstan is a transit country for all gas from Central Asia and has never let anyone down. In Orenburg there is a gas processing plant, in which the share of Kazakhstan is 50%, and it processes only Kazakhstani gas from Karachaganak. So what are we talking about! With gas from Russia and Central Asia we have all the little things and it would never occur to anyone to cross the road to each other.
            In the picture. We launched the third branch of the gas pipeline to China. In the process, 600 people were gasified. points in the south of Kazakhstan. The picture shows one of us like that. points where the gas came. He warned the NAS of Ukraine and Western Europe, if you do not really agree with Moscow, our gas will go to the East. No, they didn’t understand - now excuse me, but since the first gas war we have established supplies in the PRC. The plans, it remains only to throw their pipeline from west to east. And so all plans are almost realized. Even the Russian Federation offered to pump gas through our gas pipeline system to the PRC (it is only necessary to build 7 stations for pumping gas in order to launch a reverse - the NAS promises in a year). So Gazprom has something to think about while building the Power of Siberia and Altai. By the way, Altai was offered to throw money through it and allocate money to its site - another “lure” for Gazprom - the reliability of supplies is guaranteed, we are not Ukrainians - we never dabbled in valves. So for the sake of some Demchishins and a momentary benefit, Kazakhstan will not ruin well-established relations and the work of the whole industry. hi

            ATP for kind words! good
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 7 December 2015 20: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: kamil_tt
          But should it be otherwise?

          And you ask the skaklov. There will definitely be an "alternative" point of view lol
        3. veksha50
          veksha50 7 December 2015 22: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: kamil_tt
          But should it be otherwise?



          Well, for example, in Ukraine they often think of an ass ... or a pan worn on the head ... There are many options ...
      3. zanoza
        zanoza 7 December 2015 16: 31 New
        +9
        Quote: c-Petrov
        It would be more advantageous to offer ...

        Otherwise, the cost of Kazakh gas, would add the cost of transportation through a Russian gas pipe and then the total cost may be higher for uk * than Russian gas.
        And in general, we can refuse RK transportation, referring to the congestion of the pipes ...
      4. Love
        Love 7 December 2015 16: 41 New
        +3
        It is truth too...
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 7 December 2015 22: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: c-Petrov
        It would be more advantageous to offer - not the fact that we would read today exactly here



        You, probably, have a little wrong phrase ...

        "There would be an opportunity to get around Russia" ... now, probably, it would be possible to dance from this ...

        Of course, I respect Nazarbayev very much ... But it turned out very cool here - and there is no physical opportunity, and positively as an ally did ...

        Another question is when Ukraine offered to buy gas from Kazakhstan, what did its rulers think ??? Or did the Soviet education already reset to such an extent that they even forgot the geographical map ???
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 10 December 2015 09: 27 New
          0
          Well, Nazarbayev could not refuse Poroshenko to supply gas! Just officially promised to consider. Well, then the situation was clarified that Russia cannot be circumvented. That's all.
    3. adept666
      adept666 7 December 2015 16: 20 New
      +9
      well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...

      What is this solidarity expressed in this case? RK simply does not have means of gas delivery to Ukraine, which is what they said.
      1. haenx
        haenx 7 December 2015 16: 36 New
        10
        But the Kazakhs could create noise, like we agree to sell our gas to the erodemocratic country of Ukraine, and the Russian brothers, however, imperial Russia does not allow the use of its pipe for its Ukrainian brothers. Western media are just waiting for this kipish. Therefore, the Kazakhs are great.
        1. adept666
          adept666 7 December 2015 16: 51 New
          +5
          But the Kazakhs could create noise
          And what do they create it for? They don’t need gas, they sell it the whole volume they produce. Have their own established markets and they work well meaning to strain? Does Ukraine need this? So Ukraine should organize a 3-way meeting (RF, RK, RU) and start the negotiation process. It is only special individuals who can do nonsense, having a reliable energy supplier close by who is ready to give serious discounts, invest big money in the gas transportation infrastructure of the transit country and ask only not to steal gas and pay for what they “bought” on time. Who else didn’t they ask them to buy gas and coal from? Unless the penguins in Antarctica ...
    4. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 16: 20 New
      34
      Here is not so much solidarity as sound judgment! There are no fools in Kazakhstan, to supply gas to the flask for free!
      1. adept666
        adept666 7 December 2015 16: 39 New
        +3
        Here is not so much solidarity as sound judgment!
        Yes, and that’s not the point, they don’t have a pipe, that’s all sadness, we need to agree on transit with the Russian Federation (they said that bilateral agreements are senseless in this case), which will be difficult and not fast for Ukraine itself is transit obligations (in relation to the Russian Federation) poorly fulfills both gas and electricity. It’s just that you don’t need to attribute to the words a certain additional meaning that they said it is, but for those who doubt it, I can remind you of NABUKO (an exclusively anti-Russian project). Kazakhstan there is one of the key participants.
        1. Guard
          Guard 8 December 2015 21: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: adept666
          and for doubters, I can recall about NABUKO (exclusively anti-Russian project). Kazakhstan there is one of the key participants.

          Kazakhstan was initially out of business. Then they invited already. Kazakhstan officially together with Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan sent the forest of all Nabucco initiators.

          Quote from a 2009 article to refresh memory:
          Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan refused to sign the political declaration prepared for the summit “The Southern Corridor - the New Silk Road”, which opened on Friday in Prague under the pretext that the document “requires significant revision”.
          http://www.kursiv.kz/dopolnitelnye-razdely/kompanii1/kazakhstan-ne-podpisalsja-p

          od-nabucco /
    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 7 December 2015 16: 24 New
      14
      You can laugh for a long time over the dolboklustvo dill, the brains seem to be completely and irrevocably saturated. And the Kazakhs are real allies.
    6. marlin1203
      marlin1203 7 December 2015 16: 27 New
      +4
      Well, not all of Ukraine benefits from its transit geographical position ... laughing
    7. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 7 December 2015 16: 37 New
      11
      Quote: scrap123
      well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...

      A colleague, without prejudice to Kazakhstan’s neighbors, I do not see any solidarity. Absolute economic pragmatics. Kazakhstan sells its gas to Russia at its border. And even if you virtually present an agreement with Ukraine, it is necessary to develop transit arrangements for the transportation of Kazakhstani gas for Svidomo through the territory of the Russian Federation. At the moment, this is really not necessary for Kazakhstan.
      Something like that, colleague. hi
      1. adept666
        adept666 7 December 2015 16: 42 New
        +2
        Absolute economic pragmatics.

        Absolutely right.
    8. gloomy fox
      gloomy fox 7 December 2015 16: 43 New
      12
      it’s nice sometimes to read such news about your country))
    9. good7
      good7 7 December 2015 16: 50 New
      +3
      What solidarity? They understand that they will not be paid - that’s all!
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 7 December 2015 17: 06 New
        12
        Solidarity is simple. Astana has a key to gas from Central Asia. And if we were not allies and partners in gas, then NAS could simply arrange blackmail. Do not let gas in Kiev - block the gas from Central Asia. And from Kiev, a prepayment would be taken - it’s not going anywhere - it grew. they don’t buy gas in principle, and they will not give him a reverse from the West in winter. But never, judging by his policies, he would not do that. This is real solidarity. hi
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 7 December 2015 21: 33 New
          10
          Of course! Kazakhstan’s policies and decisions are not dictated by short-term interests, but by long-term strategic relations.

          Even if it was suddenly both profitable and possible - but Ak-Orda will never go against Russia, the country closest to us in essence, with which we are in a military alliance. We place a number of bases, integrate economies. going to introduce a single currency and so on
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 8 December 2015 08: 51 New
            +4
            and you have beshbarmak !!! mmmm !!! fellow
          2. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 8 December 2015 17: 33 New
            +2
            Dear Kazakhs, I’ll just say ... thank you!
            And for, the fact that you are the only ones who recognized the referendum and reunification of Crimea with Russia, wassat THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

            Well, one word to the great Ukrainians ... HELLO !!!
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 8 December 2015 20: 45 New
              +1
              Someone is naughty, inserted a face. Initially, it was not.
    10. gladcu2
      gladcu2 7 December 2015 16: 52 New
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      scrap123

      The Kazakhs are certainly youthful, but this is not solidarity. This is common sense.

      When a large peasant family sits down to dinner at a table from one boiler, there must always be someone who keeps order. Father, or older brother or mother. Otherwise, swara may begin.

      A friendly family is when common morality works for mutual understanding.

      But it so happened that someone throughout the country wanted to emigrate to Europe. He was instilled with other values. Values ​​do not keep family morality.

      Now the whole family is in the right, negligent to tap on the forehead with spoons. Until normal morality falls into place.
    11. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 December 2015 17: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: scrap123
      well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...

      Rather, it is not solidarity, but a sober understanding that 404 will not be paid for gas, but instead will be screaming about a "fair price."
      The experience of the northern neighbor in terms of gas supplies to / from 404 is very indicative for Kazakhstan.
    12. Vikings
      Vikings 7 December 2015 17: 41 New
      +1
      That's who you have to deal with !!! First Azeri, then Kazakhs pos-
      Lali Bander-Krajina! That's what sequence means,
      predictability in politics. But it’s no secret that Azeri and
      Kazakhs are both Turkic-speaking countries! And are strategic
      the allies of Ankara in the post-Soviet space.
      Truly comes to mind: Lord My God! Don't know where
      You will find, and where you lose .:
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 7 December 2015 18: 14 New
        15
        I do not know if your infarmation took place or not. Erdogan called (he asked) to NASU regarding relations with the Russian Federation. The commission grew.-tour. I asked some to create, to help. And on the next. NAS Day read out the message to the people. He said that he was growing. the plane did not pose a threat to Turkey. And that Daesh flew to bomb. Supporting Erdogan for ANAS means driving a wedge into his brainchild of the EAEU. So the choice is obvious in the pair Turkey-Russia. hi
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 7 December 2015 21: 37 New
          +6
          Kazakhstan definitely long ago made a choice in favor of Eurasian integration, and the main ally of the KZ is the Russian Federation with Belarus, Kyrgyzstan

          Pan-Turkism is a "paper tiger" and a soap bubble

          It will never happen that KZ changed Russia to Turkey - this is incredible and fantastic

          But as a platform and intermediary for a conversation with Turkey, Russia unequivocally uses Kazakhstan’s help at the right time.
    13. cergey51046
      cergey51046 7 December 2015 18: 16 New
      +2
      Kazakhstan has no border with Ukraine.
    14. APASUS
      APASUS 7 December 2015 19: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: scrap123
      well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...

      And here is solidarity, why do Kazakhs need hemorrhoids?
    15. KVS
      KVS 7 December 2015 19: 45 New
      +2
      look at the map and see that Kazakhstan and the outskirts do not border ...
      because they refused to supply gas ... and maybe also because the outskirts are not capable of payment ...
    16. kotyara
      kotyara 7 December 2015 20: 32 New
      +1
      Solidarity or just calculation? In any case, there is no other option but to drive through Russia!
    17. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 7 December 2015 21: 32 New
      +1
      This is brotherly!
    18. avdkrd
      avdkrd 7 December 2015 22: 40 New
      0
      Quote: scrap123
      well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...

      What does solidarity have to do with it? How can Kazakh gas be delivered to Ukraine, bypassing Russia ???? Only in the depths of the great dying brain could such an idea be born that Russia, to the detriment of itself, would act as a transit country for gas from Kazakhstan. Demchishin smokes especially foul nonsense, since this comes to his head not burdened with thoughts. Maybe, of course, the flight of his imagination extended to the fact that the Kazakhs would lay a pipeline bypassing Russia, so that the bankrupt state could exist for some more time? In general, independence from the brain comes through in all the conflicting ideas of the junta. It’s interesting - really, is Ukraine aware of the memory of the population like fish (5min.)? Otherwise, why do Ukrainian officials again and again carry complete nonsense with the appearance that they are doing it for the first time? Europe certainly does not know that it will sell RUSSIAN GAS to Ukraine cheaper than it buys from Russia, but there is a microscopic possibility, and in the case of Kazakh gas in general, beyond good and evil ....
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 10 December 2015 08: 02 New
        +1
        But one thing is not clear - the Chui Valley is located in Kazakhstan, but all the consequences are happening in Ukraine ... What is the connection ?! wassat
    19. Zefr
      Zefr 8 December 2015 12: 16 New
      +1
      Well, it’s possible that this is not exactly “solidarity”. They said the same - "suits us." Those. deliver gas to its border, Russia pays for it, and there, even though the grass does not grow. Well, and why should they, in this case, get in touch with the poor Ukrainian authorities? For what? No use, only losses. And to get into someone else's showdown - do they need it?
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    21. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 8 December 2015 22: 18 New
      0
      At the same time, official Kiev did not report which routes from Kazakhstan gas should be in Ukraine "without agreement with Russia", given the geographical location of the two states.

      well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...
      It is not even a matter of coordinating transit with Russia. The first question is what should be asked to the Ukrainian side: What about solvency? If it is unprofitable for Russia to sponsor such freeloaders, then for Kazakhstan, whose population is three times (approximately) less than in Ukraine, this is all the more a burden.
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 7 December 2015 16: 16 New
    +4
    Who stuck such a card in this article ??? Aw !!! People!!! Crimea is not our first year, and where by the way is Abkhazia and South Ossetia?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 7 December 2015 17: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      Who stuck such a card in this article ??? Aw !!! People!!! Crimea is not our first year, and where by the way is Abkhazia and South Ossetia?

      Thank you for promptly deleting an outdated card.
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  4. fregina1
    fregina1 7 December 2015 16: 18 New
    +1
    they would have taken the thread in Mongolia already! Circus! but popcorn was boring somehow
  5. S-cream
    S-cream 7 December 2015 16: 18 New
    +1
    At the same time, official Kiev did not report which routes from Kazakhstan gas should be in Ukraine "without agreement with Russia", given the geographical location of the two states.
    by air.
    Well, or around. The earth is round, even on the left, even on the right, you can pull a pipe, what's the question?
  6. izya top
    izya top 7 December 2015 16: 18 New
    +5
    Kiev did not report which routes from Kazakhstan gas should be in Ukraine
    in parallel reality the whole globe-Ukraine request
  7. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 7 December 2015 16: 21 New
    +3
    "Clowns" in their repertoire, and not tired of the same. Maybe, in fact, some psychotropic weapon is being tested in Ukraine? !!
  8. tomcat117
    tomcat117 7 December 2015 16: 21 New
    -5
    Kazakhstan refused to sell gas to Ukraine without coordination with Russia ...

    Although in this matter we were not treated with a “knife in the back”.
    1. kamil_tt
      kamil_tt 7 December 2015 16: 27 New
      +4
      And here is the country's economic interests and a knife in the back?
  9. Sasha75
    Sasha75 7 December 2015 16: 22 New
    20
    Since in the end, the seller will also have to deal with such.
  10. Wedmak
    Wedmak 7 December 2015 16: 24 New
    +3
    Beautifully twisted. Well done. Nevertheless, I already know how Ukraine will pay for these deliveries. So the Kazakhs, with a brain in their wits, masterly sent the junta in the right direction.
    1. Rrrj
      Rrrj 7 December 2015 18: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      how Ukraine will pay for these deliveries.

      He won’t pay in any way - I already laid out (look in my comments) - that no one is going to close the gas to them.
  11. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 7 December 2015 16: 24 New
    +3
    a business in Ukrainian - I would buy, but there is no money, give for a promise ... And when I receive it, I’ll definitely pay it off - right on your porch ...
  12. yuriy55
    yuriy55 7 December 2015 16: 27 New
    +6
    Nazarbayev made the right choice. An old friend is better than two new ones... good
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 7 December 2015 16: 27 New
    +1
    "for the supply of gas to Ukraine, first of all, it is necessary to agree with Russia."
    Come on, gentlemen, Kazakhs, what does Russia have to do with it? They would say honestly - "We are not sure of the ability to pay, and we do not want to expect payment for gas."
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 7 December 2015 16: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: Mercenary
      Come on, gentlemen, Kazakhs, what does Russia have to do with it? They would say honestly - "We are not sure of the ability to pay, and we do not want to expect payment for gas."


      Despite the fact that, except through the territory of Russia, gas supply will not work.
  14. izya top
    izya top 7 December 2015 16: 27 New
    +3
    peerogogs have no end wassat
    The crew and the ship laying the cable for the construction of the energy bridge from the Krasnodar Territory to the Crimea will be arrested. This was announced on the air of the program "Question of National Security" by People's Deputy Georgy Logvinsky.



    According to him, Ukraine has already opened a criminal case against the captain of the vessel.

    “Concerning this cable layer, criminal proceedings have been opened, information about the captain and the team is being recorded. I’m sure that this cable layer should be arrested, the person will be prosecuted, according to the sanction of the article, it’s five or eight years in prison, ”said Logvinsky.

    1. izya top
      izya top 7 December 2015 16: 29 New
      +2
      and ish wassat
      Ukraine will sue Russia "Nord Stream" through the Hague court in claims of Crimeans. This was announced on the air channel "Black Sea TRK" by former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Andrei Senchenko, party functionary Yulia Tymoshenko.



      According to him, the court will be overwhelmed with hundreds of thousands of lawsuits, after which Russia will be forced to pay huge funds to Ukraine, otherwise it will lose its gas pipe.

      “Those numbers that Mr. Yatsenyuk called, who said that we will judge about a trillion hryvnias, look ridiculous. This is 50 billion dollars, this amount is enough to cover only the damage done to citizens ...

      We get 100 thousand court decisions, and then we go to arrest, for example, Nord Stream. When it comes to the Yukos case, where five or ten individuals are behind a claim of $ 50 billion, that's one thing. And in our case, we are talking about two million citizens affected. A completely different attitude to this, ”said Senchenko.
    2. your1970
      your1970 7 December 2015 18: 12 New
      +3
      “Concerning this cable layer, criminal proceedings are opened, information about the captain and the team is recorded. I’m sure that this cable layer should be arrested, the person will be held accountable, according to the sanction of the article, it’s five or eight years in prison, ”said Logvinsky."

      I wonder what article?
      Terrorism is not suitable, separatism is not suitable, propaganda is not suitable, propaganda of communism is not a Soviet ship, espionage is not suitable, sabotage is request no, well, of course it’s cunning for the Right Sector: they tried, blew up ..- doesn’t fit, theft-there was no cable there, otherwise they could blame that he wound it and handed it in color - it doesn’t fit .. what else is there from the heavy ?? ?

      Oh, I remembered - rape !!!! - he raped all the brains of the President, the Verkhovna Rada and the country's energy experts 404. It can really be sewn ...
      1. izya top
        izya top 7 December 2015 18: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: your1970
        Oh, remembered - rape !!!

        wink used is cosplay of "Good night, kids":
        1. The main characters are pig and rabbit
        2. Both tell tales
        3. All this is controlled by the wrong hands, and through a dupole.
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  16. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 December 2015 16: 30 New
    +7
    Nazarbayev is a true friend! This is not the first time that he has not betrayed general views on the situation in the world. Such and should be reliable partners! Accordingly, Russia will do the same.
  17. Masya masya
    Masya masya 7 December 2015 16: 31 New
    +5
    "Earlier, Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Volodymyr Demchishin spoke out that Kazakhstan supposedly could start supplying its gas to Ukraine." As always, the lip was rolled out, and Kazakhstan forgot to ask ...
    1. Guard
      Guard 8 December 2015 21: 45 New
      0
      Even earlier, Demchishin told his fellow citizens that he had "agreed" with the Kazakhs on the supply of Kazakh coal. Although I had to guess that Kazakh coal was not suitable for Ukrainian thermal power plants. And, essno, the Kazakhs did not even make any plans to sell coal. Despite the fact that the Ukrainian delegation tried to raise this issue in Astana. The Ukrainians quickly realized that this topic was not interesting to the Kazakhs as well as the topic of building a Chinese restaurant outside the Solar System.
  18. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 7 December 2015 16: 32 New
    +3
    ha ha khokhlov Kazakhs are already throwing
  19. raid14
    raid14 7 December 2015 16: 36 New
    +3
    Again zrada, now from Kazakhstan, Svidomo will not see gas or coal without the knowledge of Russia.
    With Slovakia, a gas permalone without pennies no longer rolls.
  20. 3vs
    3vs 7 December 2015 16: 41 New
    +3
    Yes there are no fools, to supply their resources for free to the insolent.
  21. ivanych
    ivanych 7 December 2015 16: 41 New
    +1
    ... all sorts of people walk here with a bag under the fence, they want something ... crying
  22. Old Schweik
    Old Schweik 7 December 2015 16: 43 New
    +1
    Ukraine will buy gas ....
    It’s even funny ... "Let me use it" is already closer.
  23. kamil_tt
    kamil_tt 7 December 2015 16: 43 New
    +5
    No need to politicize our decision. Obviously, the Kazakh side, if it finds gas reserves that meet the requirements of the Ukrainian side, will not mind. But as the history of negotiations on this topic shows, everything depends on gas transportation. But there is only one way - through Russia. Kiev has long been trying to obtain permission from Russia for direct transit of Central Asian gas from Russia. But 99% that Russia will not do this.
    At the same time, Kazakh gas is unlikely to be cheaper than Russian. The whole question is in the netback pricing formula (export netback is the price on the foreign market minus logistics costs and export duties) that is, the price of gas in Poland neighboring Ukraine. Moreover, the price in Poland is now even slightly higher than the one proposed by Russia.
  24. kamil_tt
    kamil_tt 7 December 2015 16: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: zanoza
    Quote: c-Petrov
    It would be more advantageous to offer ...

    Otherwise, the cost of Kazakh gas, would add the cost of transportation through a Russian gas pipe and then the total cost may be higher for uk * than Russian gas.
    And in general, we can refuse RK transportation, referring to the congestion of the pipes ...

    In theory, as the EAEU works, Kazakhstan will gain access to the energy infrastructure and will be able to supply its gas wherever it wants ..
  25. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 7 December 2015 16: 51 New
    +1
    Ukraine will sue Russia "Nord Stream" through the Hague court in claims of Crimeans. This was announced on the air channel "Black Sea TRK" by former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Andrei Senchenko, party functionary Yulia Tymoshenko.

    Ukraine will catch a head and eggs and x / r / e / n / which will sue!
  26. Love
    Love 7 December 2015 16: 54 New
    +4
    Come on, gentlemen, Kazakhs, what does Russia have to do with it? They would say honestly - "We are not sure of the ability to pay, and we do not want to expect payment for gas."

    I think that there was still an agreement at the top, if everything was to be blamed on us in the gas talks between Kazakhstan and Urkaina (if there were any). Although, also as an option. Well, if not, then fellow countrymen - well done! Do not forget about the "big white brother."
  27. communication
    communication 7 December 2015 17: 16 New
    +1
    The coal itself is on the side, but bought in Africa. The Poles do not want to buy in the Donbass next time.
    1. Mowgli
      Mowgli 7 December 2015 17: 32 New
      +4
      The coal itself is on the side, but bought in Africa. The Poles do not want to buy in the Donbass next time.


      Coal from Polish deposits is not suitable for Ukrainian thermal power plants (they are designed for Donetsk coal).
      So you have to carry already from South Africa.
      They also drove from Kuzbass for some time.
  28. Love
    Love 7 December 2015 17: 16 New
    +1
    Although, a certain "diamond interest" Kazakhstan showed to Khokhlostan until the same July 2015.
    http://ic24.kz/economics/22515
  29. Alexander 67
    Alexander 67 7 December 2015 17: 17 New
    +5
    Guys, what kind of sentimentality? It's business, and nothing personal. And there is no solidarity here. From the end of 90_x, the beginning of 2000_x. Tajikistan and Kazakhstan, not having their own transportation capabilities, agreed with Gazprom. Gas is pumped into a Russian pipe at a solid price. With a steady change in world prices, one of the parties may initiate a price review. Now, let’s see an unstable, but all the same reduction in gas prices in the world. And Gazprom does not initiate a review. Accept Kazakhstan to sell gas to another buyer without agreeing with Russia. It immediately cancels its agreement with Gazprom by its actions. And the remaining gas will have to be sold to Russia, at a different price.
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  31. russmensch
    russmensch 7 December 2015 17: 20 New
    +2
    ... official Kiev did not report which routes from Kazakhstan gas should be in Ukraine "without agreement with Russia,"

    Why not understand? Jumping ... quiet trails and so on to Kiev
  32. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 7 December 2015 17: 25 New
    +1
    If every bureaucrat / touches ours / paid out of pocket, such economic idiocy would be less. Gas supplies from Kazakhstan ??? !!!! - you feel the "hand of mentors" in which Belarus has become a sea power.
  33. tinibar
    tinibar 7 December 2015 17: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: scrap123
    well done Kazakhs here I understand solidarity is not something that some ...

    Do you think that should be otherwise? How much is already possible that no ally can only demand from Russia ... But what special regime is being introduced on the border with Belarus to control the delivered fruits and vegetables? Fight Russia, support, feed, and we will simply do business and nothing personal ?!
  34. atamankko
    atamankko 7 December 2015 17: 41 New
    +3
    It's time for the junta to roll his lips, the freebie ends.
  35. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 7 December 2015 17: 46 New
    +1
    Really again bought the South African coal? Received last year a rake on the forehead - and again.

    Apparently, they decided to destroy TPPs as well as destroy nuclear power plants. The former will poison Ukrainians with sulfur dioxide (until they are completely bent), and the latter with life-giving radiation. am
  36. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 7 December 2015 18: 02 New
    +3
    Thank you Kazakhstan! This is really fraternal assistance to Russia .. It’s hard for us now, they have laid tax on all sides and the blood is already pouring! We will not stay in debt ...
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 7 December 2015 18: 15 New
      0
      But how can Kazakhstan sell, build a pipe bypassing Russia?
    2. cergey51046
      cergey51046 7 December 2015 18: 15 New
      0
      But how can Kazakhstan sell, build a pipe bypassing Russia?
      1. Guard
        Guard 8 December 2015 21: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: cergey51046
        But how can Kazakhstan sell, build a pipe bypassing Russia?

        Hypothetically, the Central Asian countries could easily sell gas through the Caspian - by tankers to Azerbaijan and then through the gas pipeline a la Nabucco. Only the fundamental refusal of these "mills" buried the hopes of Europeans for the implementation of such projects.
        We are satisfied with the current situation, when we have two main customers - Russia and China. Why do we spoil relations with neighbors?
  37. cergey51046
    cergey51046 7 December 2015 18: 13 New
    0
    Where a crest went, there is nothing for a Jew to do. They are booming, there is a cock with a screw on the cunning ass.
  38. Lex.
    Lex. 7 December 2015 18: 19 New
    +1
    Yes, it’s time for Lukashenko to distinguish gas, oil gets at a discount, but it’s neither a friend nor an enemy
  39. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 7 December 2015 18: 24 New
    0
    At the same time, official Kiev did not report which routes from Kazakhstan gas should be in Ukraine "without agreement with Russia", given the geographical location of the two states.


    They studied these geography on a globular Zhovtoblakitny (one half is blue, the other is yellow) on which all the territories are ukrov!
  40. Mig-31
    Mig-31 7 December 2015 18: 30 New
    +5
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    Greetings

    And you comrade hi
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    Maybe. But as regards specifically the allied aspects, there are many questions. Unfortunately.

    There is no alliance. The media do not particularly advertise the trade wars of the CU countries among themselves.
    In no conflict there was even ORAL support. And in the case of Turkey, not a few Kazakhs will be on the side of Turkey. You can not relieve the blood proximity of the Turkic peoples.

    And if they build a pipeline through the Caspian, Kazakhstan will change its position even more.

    Turks surrendered to us, even if someone would commit genocide against the Turks, not only I, but 99% of the Kazakhs would not even lift a finger simply because the Turks in Turkey are as distant people to us as the Eskimos in Alaska, here Azerbaijanis will definitely be for the Turks.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 December 2015 19: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Mig-31
      Azerbaijanis will definitely be for the Turks.

      This is exactly the case.
      And here is the confirmation:
      http://politobzor.net/show-73537-turciya-udarila-po-serdcu-moskvy

      And now - another review of the Baku media, so that you can understand what they are preparing for the country's population.

      “The new stage of the Baku-Ankara alliance - friends are satisfied, enemies are disappointed”

      “Russia cannot live without war,” writes the Avropa info expert group. - Entering its troops into Syria after Ukraine, the Kremlin now grinds its teeth in the direction of Turkey. Moscow brings its relationship with Ankara to the level of war ... Putin has pulled Russia into this trap. And so the owner of the Kremlin was mistaken when he stated that “Turkey hit us in the back. It would be right to say, “Ankara hit Moscow’s heart” ... Attempts to speak the language of war with Turkey make Putin’s death inevitable. ”
      .................................................. ..............................
      .....

      The chairman of one of the many clones of the ruling party - “Modern Musavat” - Hafiz Hajiyev claims that allegedly “the Russians occupied Karabakh, giving it to Armenia, staged genocide in Khojaly, the tragedy of January 20. Therefore, we must be close to our brothers, the Turks ... Society should learn about those who want to justify the aggressor policy of Russia, which organized a real massacre in Baku on January 20. They are now saying this for the sake of a post or something else. It is unacceptable. I am just disgusted to see all this. They sold offal for a Russian pie. ” He justifies his words by saying that “what if a Russian plane dropped a bomb on Turkey? Turkey is quite right, and the decision to bring down the plane should only be applauded ... Let them ask Russia what the hell the Russian plane did in Turkey? Can they kill anyone they want? ”
      .................................................. ..............................
      .........

      “Given that Azerbaijan is an ally of Turkey, the Kremlin will not be interested in resolving the territorial problem of Azerbaijan. But this does not limit the right of Azerbaijan to free its lands, ”political analyst Elkhan Shahinoglu writes.

      .................................................. ..............................
      ......

      Military expert Uzeyir Jafarov does not understand “the actions of the Russian side, which is only trying to tense the situation. Russia should not worry about the situation in Karabakh, since it has nothing to do with it. This is the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, which has bilateral relations with Turkey. "

      .................................................. ..............................
      ........
      The editor-in-chief of this newspaper, Rauf Arifoglu, is sure that “Turkey taught a lesson to Russia, whose ambitions are growing day by day, on behalf of the whole progressive world and the Turkic world ... We are with brotherly Turkey with all our hearts, souls and our prayers. Turkey is the second Azerbaijan for us, our Motherland ... Not Turkey and Russia act as parties, but we and Russia. But the Russians are defying Turkey, violating borders, killing the Syrian Turkmen who are related to the Bayat tribe, shouldn't they get an answer for that? ”
      .................................................. ..............................
      ...........

      Political analyst Tofig Abbasov thinks, “nothing negative has happened in Russian-Azerbaijani relations, and therefore we should not intervene in the conflict between Russia and Turkey.” Regarding the Karabakh problem, “we unanimously declare that Russia supports Armenia. But the CIA is behind the plan for Karabakh. ”
      .................................................. .........
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 7 December 2015 22: 20 New
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        It would be right to say, “Ankara hit the heart of Moscow”


        Hmm ... Wait and see ...

        PS Moscow (Russia) has a hand longer than the Turkish ...
    2. Guard
      Guard 8 December 2015 22: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Mig-31
      Turks surrendered to us, even if someone would commit genocide against the Turks, not only I, but 99% of the Kazakhs would not even lift a finger simply because the Turks in Turkey are as distant people to us as the Eskimos in Alaska

      Durys aytasyn, bauyrym. Turkey Magan do not care))))
      That's right) Kazakhs have good relations with Turkey, they are closer than Czechs or Belgians, but Turks are farther for us than Mongols or Russians. And when the Turks in private conversation chatting about the community of Turkic peoples, I do not argue, but I sincerely do not believe in this. Turks are a non-Turkic people who speak the Turkic dialect. They are not genetically related to us. Even Hungarians and Mongols are closer to us by blood than Turks.
      Of course, we have no reason to spoil relations with them. However, when choosing "Russia or Turkey" - the answer for most Kazakhs is obvious.

      “If a Kazakh fights with a Russian, then I am on the side of the Kazakh. And if a Russian is fighting with a Frenchman, then I will certainly side with the Russian”. Shokan Ualikhanov, 19th century (outstanding Kazakh scientist, Russian officer, intelligence officer, direct descendant of Genghis Khan).
  41. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 7 December 2015 18: 51 New
    +3
    Kazakhstan refused to sell gas to Ukraine without coordination with Russia
    Unexpectedly, however ...
  42. pvv113
    pvv113 7 December 2015 21: 29 New
    +1
    Kazakhstan responded with an official refusal to Ukraine to its requests for gas supply without coordination with the Russian side

    It is gratifying that there are real allies
  43. Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 7 December 2015 21: 41 New
    +2
    Most importantly, this decision should somehow help the Armed Forces of Ukraine to stop shelling civilians of the DPR and LPR.
  44. veksha50
    veksha50 7 December 2015 22: 17 New
    +3
    "Kazakhstan refused to sell gas to Ukraine without coordination with Russia" ...

    I always respected Nazarbayev ... A wise oriental man ... He does not want to quarrel with anyone, but also does not want to give up the interests of his country ...

    This time he wisely chose the least of two evils ... In general, as often ...
  45. Gunther
    Gunther 7 December 2015 23: 16 New
    0
    Potroshenko had sadness, Gutalin did not give a hand at the "climate summit" in Paris (although he was jumping from his pants), Nazarbayev broke off on gas.
    Now, only joy remained - Joe arrived and now Patroshenko can practice speed jumping out of his pants - after all, Biden hinted "I communicate with Poroshenko more often than my own wife."
    ... Ukraine has signed a contract for the supply of coal from South Africa. The first ship from the Republic of South Africa arrived in Odessa on the eve ..

    Now conceive, demons, the blue sky of Podolia (((
  46. S-17
    S-17 7 December 2015 23: 19 New
    0
    Well, at least thanks to our TS partners ...
  47. asiat_61
    asiat_61 8 December 2015 01: 12 New
    +2
    Nazarbayev, a man with a head, and even an old school. He understands that there will be no Russia, there will be no Kazakhstan.
    1. Guard
      Guard 8 December 2015 22: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: asiat_61
      He understands that there will be no Russia, there will be no Kazakhstan.

      That’s why you don’t need to build a “white man with a burden” of yourself ...
      We are interdependent countries. The Kazakh army essentially protects 7500 km of the Kazakh-Russian border, as a result of which there is no need for Russia to retain any significant forces in the central military district (except for strategic aviation). Therefore, Russians can calmly concentrate on defending their borders with the West and China.
      Neither in economy nor in politics does Kazakhstan act as a freeloader, a cripple, or a grumbling partner. Our countries initially outlined the vector of coexistence and mutual respect, and already all other economic and political actions are built on the basis of this vector.
  48. Conscience
    Conscience 8 December 2015 02: 15 New
    +1
    ukroina has become a country of inadequacies, I wonder how long will it fall to the bottom?
  49. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 8 December 2015 03: 50 New
    0
    I was confused to be honest, I was busy and did not follow. Are we supplying gas to Ukraine now? It seems they didn’t make an advance (prepayment). And if we deliver, then under what conditions? There are some kind of contradictory statements from our elite. Explain ..? If anyone is following this.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 8 December 2015 09: 02 New
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      Gazprom does not wait for an advance payment and resumption of Russian gas supplies to Ukraine before the end of the year due to the difficult financial situation of Naftogaz Ukrainy. This was reported by the press service of Gazprom.


      In turn, Naftogaz intends to turn to the Russian side with a request for a discount on the price for the first quarter of 2016. But Gazprom requested a letter of guarantee from Naftogaz on the volume of purchases by the end of March.

      Thus, until the end of December, the parties expect to determine the conditions for the purchase of Russian gas by Ukraine for the first quarter of 2016.

      Recall that now Ukraine receives gas from Russia and Europe. In the fourth quarter, Russia set a price of $ 227 thousand cubic meters of gas for Ukraine. Europe also sold blue fuel at the same price. However, in autumn, the European price fell to $ 192 due to warm weather.


      they are currently taking gas from their storage facilities.
    2. bugrovata
      bugrovata 8 December 2015 09: 31 New
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      Do not supply! Prepayment is not made! Yatsenyuk said that "it is not Russia that does not sell us gas, but we ourselves have refused to buy it." wassat
  50. Wolka
    Wolka 8 December 2015 05: 27 New
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    Kazakhs are in our interests, we are in our own, dill problems are not interesting at all to anyone, now even the Yankees ...