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Experts predicted the reaction of Turkey and Western countries to the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

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Western experts have tried to predict the reaction of Ankara and its Western allies to the evidence presented by the Russian military on Wednesday of Turkey’s cooperation with Daisy, in particular, the receipt of large volumes of smuggled oil from terrorists.




According to the editor of the analytical publication Foreign Affairs Trifkovich, "the evidence of the Defense Ministry will be" partially ignored and distorted.

“I think that Erdogan (the president of Turkey) will sound the alarm and will argue that everything is rigged. The main question is what the US will do. Because it is absolutely obvious that the Turkish tail wagged an American dog for too long, ”Trifkovich quotes RIA News.

He noted that "most likely, the US will be reluctant to act, given that nothing has been done in 15 months before the start of the Russian operation in Syria."

“The question of all questions is whether the Western partners will put pressure on Erdogan in order to force him to behave himself as a civilized person, which he, unfortunately, is not”- said the expert.

An analyst and specialist in the Middle East, Shramin Narvani, believes that the data of the Russian military were unexpected for the West.

“I think that the first reaction we will see is confusion, which, quite possibly, will manifest itself behind closed doors. There is no probability that the western allies of Turkey did not know about the oil trade between the IG (DAISH) and Turkey. They have the same satellite and intelligence capabilities as the Russians. Therefore, the first reaction will be confusion, after which the real struggle will begin to change the information picture. ”- said Narvani, stressing that Erdogan is a very unpredictable politician.

“With Erdogan one can never know what to expect. Therefore, we can see the escalation, we can see the de-escalation, but he will try to save his reputation, she said. “And I think that Erdogan will be under serious pressure from NATO and the Western allies in connection with the revelations from the Russian side.”
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  1. STALK1974
    STALK1974 3 December 2015 10: 43
    24
    Something the Turkish people themselves are silent! They have few terrorist attacks there!
    1. Svyatogor
      Svyatogor 3 December 2015 10: 45
      85
      It is impossible to predict the reaction, our "partners" are masters of repainting white to black. They have already stated that the main buyer of oil is Assad
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      2. bulvas
        bulvas 3 December 2015 10: 53
        20
        It seems to me that the main thing in this campaign is to show that they attacked Russia, while
        time, as you yourself support the monsters

        Yes, they know, but the main thing for them is to hide such facts from their voters.

        Now they start spinning like Mr. in a pan

        Thus, the truth is breaking light of day, which (theoretically) should help come to power more loyal to us forces

        Quote: Svyatogor
        It is impossible to predict the reaction, our "partners" are masters of repainting white to black. They have already stated that the main buyer of oil is Assad


        - The flag in their hands, let them show evidence

        This is the same as the Russian army in Ukraine and the Russian beeches that shot down a Boeing

        1. cniza
          cniza 3 December 2015 12: 09
          +8
          Quote: bulvas
          - The flag in their hands, let them show evidence




          But this does not bother them, cynicism and arrogance rolls over, Assad was to blame, and Russia, of course, is all, and they are not interested in anything else.
      3. dorz
        dorz 3 December 2015 10: 54
        +5
        As always, they don’t notice a log in their eyes, but they will notice a speck in someone else’s.
        1. Vend
          Vend 3 December 2015 11: 14
          26
          Quote: dorz
          Experts predicted the reaction of Turkey and Western countries to the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

          That's right.
          Experts predicted the reaction of Turkey and Western countries to the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
          Every second predicted this reaction on the site, even before these conclusions. Congratulations to you forum users, we are now experts. laughing
          1. sergeybulkin
            sergeybulkin 3 December 2015 11: 39
            10
            According to the editor of the analytical publication Foreign Affairs Trifkovich, "the evidence of the Defense Ministry will be" partially ignored and distorted.

            It will all be not partially ignored, will be ignored completely! They will twist everything so that as a result we will be to blame for everything.
            All they knew very well that there was a flow of cheap oil from Syria, no one did anything on purpose, the West had its own selfish interest there, they had a lot, a lot of money from this. Therefore, the Americans did not bomb anything in Syria except civilian infrastructure, such as power substations, water pipes and hospitals in cities. Now the US and Europe will impose new sanctions against us and prolong the old ones, we have broken off such a "business" for them. laughing
            And Erdogan doesn't care, NATO is behind him and we don't give him a decree, no one "decree" to him at all, he will keep quiet and continue his vile deed just as quietly. Unless the Turks themselves overthrow him, but it is unlikely, the army that he feeds and feeds well is behind him. am
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 3 December 2015 11: 14
          18
          And I think that Erdogan will be under serious pressure from NATO and its Western allies in connection with revelations from the Russian side. ”

          And I think that the USA will stir up something now to distract the attention of the whole world from Turkey. Most likely there will be some kind of provocation - on which the Americans are experts. Therefore, we need to be fully equipped for any of their tricks.
          1. avdkrd
            avdkrd 3 December 2015 12: 28
            10
            Quote: SRC P-15
            And I think that Erdogan will be under serious pressure from NATO and its Western allies in connection with revelations from the Russian side. ”

            And I think that the USA will stir up something now to distract the attention of the whole world from Turkey. Most likely there will be some kind of provocation - on which the Americans are experts. Therefore, we need to be fully equipped for any of their tricks.

            Precisely, a provocation is brewing at 404. I think the "Winter Campaign" will begin soon, senseless and merciless like everything in dill.
          2. edge
            edge 3 December 2015 13: 47
            0
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            And I think that the USA will stir up something now to distract the attention of the whole world from Turkey

            but why distract, they spent so much effort to attract; the Turks are needed only for provocation against Russia, like everyone else .... excluding Britain (all the same, the metropolis)
      4. REDBLUE
        REDBLUE 3 December 2015 11: 13
        +6
        And one tried to say. So he was accepted and Erdogan personally demands life. So, Turkey and democracy are not compatible things. Same as Ukraine and Crimea
      5. cap
        cap 3 December 2015 11: 13
        -7
        They are preparing evidence that the money for the construction of Sochi and the Olympics, Putin received from Hafez Assad. And the payment order will be presented from the Bank "Russia".
        I bet 1000/1.
        The draw will be shown on TV in the program of Vladimir Solovyov on Sunday. hi
        1. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 3 December 2015 12: 32
          +4
          So in 2000, he appeared before Allah! In 2000, no one knew that there would be an Olympics in Sochi.
      6. Lelek
        Lelek 3 December 2015 11: 39
        10
        Quote: Svyatogor
        Impossible to predict the reaction


        It is possible and easy. They will make a fog, declare that we do not have the correct control system, talk about empty blah-blah, and at the end they will say that everything needs to be thoroughly analyzed and will “analyze” for a year or more, and then they will declare that the issue is not relevant. The Anglo-Saxons are as predictable as an orange.
      7. Tor5
        Tor5 3 December 2015 11: 46
        +2
        We'll see ... but, we will not hear from any country the explicit recognition that what was shown yesterday is true. A raven will not peck out a voronenka eye.
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      9. zanoza
        zanoza 3 December 2015 11: 47
        10
        Quote: Svyatogor
        They have already stated that the main buyer of Assad oil

        The logic is murderous. Assad buys stolen oil from him (???)
        And after all, the Western people "believe" in this nonsense. And from the high stands they pass this nonsense as the truth. The lying Western world!
        1. Chiropractor
          Chiropractor 3 December 2015 12: 36
          0
          Well, Baranets also spoke in the spirit that the tanks of the Syrian army still ride on someone’s solarium, and Assad has a few wells left ...
        2. Serhio
          Serhio 5 December 2015 16: 32
          0
          Syria now controls no more than 20% of its fields. It is quite possible that it buys some of the oil indirectly from IG. Fuel is vital.
      10. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 3 December 2015 11: 47
        0
        I can’t predict anything. They will make it possible to downplay the data that appeared and after they say you see we took measures. Lord wake up the oil is taken out by one of the largest trans companies in the world. Yes, from the cohort of six great ones. You think they did not predict such a situation. Then you think badly of them. They are already probably taking measures to reduce noise around the oil. And the Prime Minister of Britain is already hurrying to help. They will never give offense. Now guess whose oil terminals in the port where the oil goes from.
      11. OlegLex
        OlegLex 3 December 2015 12: 19
        +1
        Wait a second statement will be that our pilots are paid with this oil.
      12. kaluganew
        kaluganew 3 December 2015 12: 51
        0
        Tan reaction. Rageype - but this is ours.
      13. edge
        edge 3 December 2015 13: 40
        0
        Quote: Svyatogor
        our "partners" are masters of repainting white to black

        yes, but they developed yet another skill — to destroy states for their own money, by forces of part of their population (in the best traditions of the Jesuits)
      14. Bazilevs
        Bazilevs 4 December 2015 00: 24
        +3
        ours needs to further develop this topic, show, establish in whose tankers the oil is poured there, why did the generals not talk about it, to whom these tankers belong?
      15. Bazilevs
        Bazilevs 4 December 2015 00: 24
        +1
        ours needs to further develop this topic, show, establish in whose tankers the oil is poured there, why did the generals not talk about it, to whom these tankers belong?
      16. Valentine
        Valentine 4 December 2015 19: 51
        +1
        Isn't it time for Russia, in response, to act adequately with meanness, cynicism, provocations and sling mud, as our "partners" do? They have no idea what truth, honor, conscience, decency, people are.
        Sheep .... That's why they outplay us, who are not accustomed to the fact that neighbors and "friends" stab you in the back. Isn't it time to reveal the truth to the Malaysians that the missing Malaysian Boeing was shot down by a missile from an American base " Diego Garcia ". Isn't it time for the Japanese to tell the truth about who arranged the accident at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, when the Americans were testing tectonic weapons. Isn't it time for the Americans to tell who staged the terrorist attack on September 11, 2001 in New York. Isn't it time to tell the whole world about Lunar scam "that the Americans have NEVER been to the moon. Isn't it time to tell the whole world that as soon as the United States climbs its" democratic "hand into the life of someone's state, wars, death, blood, immediately begin there,
        refugees.You can enumerate debts and gloomy ... Enough with us of such "partnership", tired of it. Prava folk wisdom, to live with wolves, howl like a wolf, that's how it should be.
    2. just exp
      just exp 3 December 2015 10: 45
      11
      they will explain to him that these are Kurds.
      1. jjj
        jjj 3 December 2015 10: 50
        10
        The State Department said that there is still no evidence, but NATO said that they will strengthen the defense of Turkey. So we will wait for the second series of revelations listing the beneficiaries from among Western Persians
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 3 December 2015 10: 50
          13
          The United States is reliably aware of this, moreover, they recognize this http://regnum.ru/news/polit/2026400.html? at the moment.
          But we know how their reaction is variable. Most likely, due to NATO solidarity, they will try to question the objectivity of our data.

          But the main thing is not even this - the main thing is that everyone understands everything. And yesterday, after a briefing in the Russian Ministry of Defense, the German attache said only one phrase: impressive.

          P.E. anyway, but this is a kick in the ass of Erdogan.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 3 December 2015 10: 59
            +8
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            The United States is reliably aware of this, moreover, they recognize this http://regnum.ru/news/polit/2026400.html? at the moment.

            Tankers carrying oil from Turkey to the United States were shown on one of the news sites and Russia-24. It seems like a day after the downing of our Su-24.
          2. Yuriy3005
            Yuriy3005 3 December 2015 11: 03
            +8
            This is a kick in the ass to the whole NATO and the FSA. They (FSA and NATO) have been showing everyone for so long how they are "fighting" IS. How many excavators and hospitals have already been bombed, and the IS is getting stronger and stronger.
            But then the Russians came and, as always, ruined all the raspberries. So more than that, they still had the audacity to show, explain and reasoned (the key word is not to shake you with test tubes) to prove the connection of Turkey (a member of NATO !!!) with the IS. And this is after the attacks on Sinai (okay, they don’t feel sorry for ours), but also in Paris !!! Let the people in Geyrop have brains, but they are already beginning to understand what's what, NATO and the FSA are spinning like a fish in a pan, in an attempt to move the arrows to Russia, Assad, and even anyone, in general, this will get to the point merge the main losers, starting with Turkey and further down the list ...
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        2. Baikonur
          Baikonur 3 December 2015 10: 52
          +6
          Today, Lavrov, for Russia 24 caption below:
          evidence of Turkey’s cooperation with Daesh, in particular the receipt of large volumes of smuggled oil from terrorists.
          will be represented at the UN. This is what you need. Fix and raise this question, click. Although it is clear that the UN will increasingly prostitute with the Anglo-Saxons. But this is still the first international authority, where we have weight.
        3. xan
          xan 3 December 2015 11: 06
          +3
          Quote: jjj
          The State Department said that there is still no evidence, but NATO said that they will strengthen the defense of Turkey

          One thing is clear: because of this "regrettable" fact being pulled out in the media, the situation for Erdogan will constantly worsen. And NATO can declare anything, but the governments of the NATO countries need to explain to their opposition why our twin-brothers Turkey supports dashing head-cutters, and this will sooner or later give a result.
    3. Finches
      Finches 3 December 2015 10: 47
      15
      East is a delicate matter! And who in Turkey will doubt the honesty of the Sultan - will sit on the count .... laughing
      1. cap
        cap 3 December 2015 11: 23
        +2
        Or in a forgotten way, filling the pharynx with lead. am
    4. vkl-47
      vkl-47 3 December 2015 10: 59
      +3
      gosdepovsky deb.il already commented that Assad buys this oil from Turkey laughing normal in general with mattresses with a head?
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    6. demo
      demo 3 December 2015 11: 14
      +2
      You need to write like this:
      "For some reason, the Turkish people themselves are silent! They have few terrorist attacks there!"

      So rather.
    7. arane
      arane 3 December 2015 11: 36
      +6
      Quote: STALK1974
      Something the Turkish people themselves are silent! They have few terrorist attacks there!

      In the last terrorist attack, I doubt very much that these are not Turkish special services.
      The nature of the explosion is not like that. The terrorist act is always aimed at the mass casualty, which entails a public outcry. Fucking to blow up a transformer box.
      I do not think that the purpose of the terrorist attack was to leave some area without electricity. What for? There is no sense.
      But to make Turkey a victim of a terrorist attack that suffered from ISIS, against the background of Turkey’s accusations of supporting ISIS, is a very move. For one and the Kurds presanut.
    8. good7
      good7 3 December 2015 11: 57
      +1
      The Turkish people expressed their point of view when he shot at our pilot! And they were seriously ill with the idea of ​​the New Ottoman Empire, they started sawing off pieces from Syria!
    9. Maxom75
      Maxom75 3 December 2015 12: 01
      +1
      The people are silent, because after each terrorist attack they say that they were made by the Kurds. Erdogan is fomenting a civil war inside the country, he is already bombing a city with a Kurdish population in eastern Turkey. In short, Erdogan is Hitler of the beginning of the 30s of the 20th century in Germany. The task is not to let him grow into a big Hitler.
    10. Maxom75
      Maxom75 3 December 2015 12: 01
      +1
      The people are silent, because after each terrorist attack they say that they were made by the Kurds. Erdogan is fomenting a civil war inside the country, he is already bombing a city with a Kurdish population in eastern Turkey. In short, Erdogan is Hitler of the beginning of the 30s of the 20th century in Germany. The task is not to let him grow into a big Hitler.
    11. OlegLex
      OlegLex 3 December 2015 12: 18
      +3
      And why did you get that the Turks are against Erdogan’s policies ?, he, like Hitler, once raised nationalism in the country to the highest point of priorities.
    12. Military Builder
      Military Builder 3 December 2015 12: 24
      +2
      what are you talking about, people are 99%, no matter how ugly it sounds - a herd, in any country.
      1. Military Builder
        Military Builder 3 December 2015 14: 04
        0
        and why minus, or can someone prove the opposite?
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 3 December 2015 18: 03
          0
          Quote: War Builder
          and why minus, or can someone prove the opposite?

          To which camp do you belong?
          To 99% of the herd, or to 1% of the shepherds?)))
          1. Military Builder
            Military Builder 4 December 2015 07: 04
            +1
            the same as everything here, i.e. to a herd of sofa-kitchen internet strategists
    13. msm
      msm 3 December 2015 14: 54
      +2
      Why is silent. They have a real boom of national upsurge there ... Turks are Turks, and they have been their whole life ...
    14. papas-57
      papas-57 3 December 2015 19: 38
      +2
      '' There is not a fraction of the likelihood that Turkey's western allies were unaware of the oil trade between IS (Daesh) and Turkey. They have the same satellite and reconnaissance capabilities as the Russians. '' The satellite and intelligence data are the same, but that doesn't mean anything. Each side sees in this data only what it wants to see. And does not notice what is not beneficial to them.
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    16. silver_roman
      silver_roman 5 December 2015 02: 14
      +1
      By the way, the terrorist attacks that took place after the destruction of our Su-24 were carried out by those who benefit from discord between Turkey and the Russian Federation. And there is only one such side.
      By the way, I would like to add in general to all this ... "Turkish" crisis.
      Much has been written and much has been said, but the version of Mikhail Delyagin seemed very convincing to me.
      It is tough and very unpleasant for the Russian ear, but along the way it is.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 5 December 2015 03: 01
        +1
        Quote: silver_roman
        The version of Mikhail Delyagin seemed very convincing to me

        Um .. okay .. I was not lazy 24+ minutes to listen to this Nedoprophet, I will describe at least briefly the "version" .. in short, everything is like this (according to Delyagin, essno):

        1. The provocation with the SU-24 was developed and implemented by the Turkish military in cooperation with the Americans.
        2. Erdogan was thus simply framed.
        3. Erdoran looked to whom to rush - to the Russian Federation or to the US-s, and chose the US-s.

        The question is why?

        And then M. Delyagin sits down on his favorite skate:

        - yes, because the Russian Federation is weak
        - because the Russian Federation "with little blood and in a foreign land" did not stop the "Maidan revolution" in Ukraine
        - because everything is bad in the Russian Federation and it is going to collapse (and this is because they don’t listen .. well, of course - Delyagina is ..)
        - ... (see almost any performance by Delyagin)

        Well, and what to say all this?



        All IMHO, essno yes
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 6 December 2015 01: 13
          0
          This is just a version.
          That there are several poles of power in Turkey itself.
          This is natural for many countries: for the Russian Federation, the USA, the EU, and quite possibly Turkey.
          But the fact remains. The USSR has always toughly responded to such things.
          It’s just that all our economic sanctions will ultimately hit us.
          In general, I do not presume to say anything, because the story is dark at least, but it offends me that they would not give a clear, tough answer. It is possible that in our situation this is correct, because otherwise it would be worse, but this also means that the situation needs to be changed. The enemy must think 100 times, crap 100 times and eventually abandon the idea of ​​attacking our military. Also, my IMHO.
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  3. Decathlon
    Decathlon 3 December 2015 10: 43
    +5
    As yesterday, the representatives of NATO shied away from our journalists! It seems that people are also military men, but how did schoolchildren cheat ... good
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 3 December 2015 10: 44
    +4
    Yesterday, the Greeks announced another violation of their airspace by a Turkish Air Force aircraft. It is curious, what will happen if the Greeks take it and kill it?! Not for nothing that our diplomats were in Cyprus! Then we'll see what Erdogan will do
  5. Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 3 December 2015 10: 44
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    “With Erdogan one can never know what to expect. Therefore, we can see the escalation, we can see the de-escalation, but he will try to save his reputation, she said. “And I think that Erdogan will be under serious pressure from NATO and the Western allies in connection with the revelations from the Russian side.”

    Reputation is built up over the years, and you can lose it in one second.
    1. EFA
      EFA 3 December 2015 10: 54
      +8
      Terrible snarled at the rockets)) It looks like a gloomy owl
    2. Konstantin Yu
      Konstantin Yu 3 December 2015 11: 08
      +5
      ..so this is the ass, such as zh.pa .. that is, they’ll give a shit on the plane?))))
      1. EFA
        EFA 3 December 2015 16: 37
        +2
        Quote: Konstantin Yu.
        laughing Well damn ))
        Washed, washed.
        The fact that this is "bottom" I know, I got into a mess, they pinned it up - a plus))
  6. V.ic
    V.ic 3 December 2015 10: 44
    10
    Amerikosy will not beat their dog = Erdogan with a stick, they will simply gently scold and give a cookie.
  7. just exp
    just exp 3 December 2015 10: 45
    +5
    let it be like with Georgia in 080808, they will just be silent, and when Russia does something they will raise a screech.
    they have a monopoly in the media (RT is not very popular there)
  8. avvg
    avvg 3 December 2015 10: 46
    +4
    Erdogan was clearly caught by the hand, but he will brazenly deny it to the last.
  9. Teberii
    Teberii 3 December 2015 10: 46
    +4
    A war will be unleashed in the media, each will claim his own and pull the blanket over himself. Erdogan himself will never leave, how will this happen?
  10. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 3 December 2015 10: 47
    13
    Even before these events, I, knowing the history, did not consider Turks to be friends, but I had a higher opinion about the reason and pragmatism of the Turkish leadership. But alas, I, like many others, was greatly mistaken. Erdogan did not go very far from Poroshenko, but Davutoglu from Yatsenyuk. I think in the next ten years there is a high probability personally to observe the end of a united Turkey.
  11. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 3 December 2015 10: 47
    +7
    Comrades!
    So it is they not us, but themselves "isolate"!
    (Oh, for your loved ones, they should have enough tape!)
  12. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 3 December 2015 10: 48
    +6
    Everyone knew everything and silently considered the profits. If the United States managed to accuse Syria of buying oil from DAY, then they would throw something like that, and this time in a word, a conversation between the deaf and dumb ...
  13. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 3 December 2015 10: 48
    +2
    Anything can be expected from this clown, but if he has the full support of the United States and NATO and the EU on this issue, he might even go crazy, close the straits and begin a ground operation in Syria, and some other provocation against our planes and ships to fix.
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2015 10: 49
    +3
    "The evidence of the RF Ministry of Defense will be" partially ignored and distorted. "

    This is the "duty" and expected reaction of the Americans. But what will happen next behind closed doors? I think this will become clear from Erdogan's further behavior in a few days.
  15. COBA
    COBA 3 December 2015 10: 51
    +4
    According to the good old tradition, the West will try to close its eyes to obvious facts, Erdogan will naturally deny his family’s involvement in the joint oil business with ISIS. And Russia, in turn, needs to try to open its eyes to the two main European countries of Germany and France, most likely work in this direction will bring the expected results.
  16. AlexTires
    AlexTires 3 December 2015 10: 51
    +9
    The entire Middle East has been bombed precisely for this purpose - theft and illegal oil trade. They managed to execute Hussein, kill Gaddafi, and only Assad is in power and is considered the legitimate president of the country, and now everyone who wants to rob him has stumbled ...
  17. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 3 December 2015 10: 51
    +5
    our satellite images are not the first to be ignored by the world community. So there will simply be a regular ignore.
    Regarding the reaction. I assure you, under a far-fetched pretext, Turkey will make it as difficult as possible for ships to pass through the Bosphorus Strait. After an attack on an airplane, this will generally be done for the Turks like seeds.
    But in vain did Lavrov’s visit to Cyprus go unnoticed recently after another violation of the Greek air border by the Turks.
  18. sl22277
    sl22277 3 December 2015 10: 52
    +3
    There will be no condemnation. The West has the same income from this, as well as Turkey. Naturally they are in the know. All Western countries are led by criminals. This is no longer a crime in power. It was crime itself that became power. How can a thief condemn a thief, his accomplice ...?
  19. kursk87
    kursk87 3 December 2015 10: 56
    +2
    Western countries will never approve of the actions of the Russian Federation in Syria, and to expose the Russian side, as always, they will say that the information provided is not evidence. And nothing has changed.
  20. Gray 43
    Gray 43 3 December 2015 10: 57
    +1
    That the Turks, that the Westerners, on hot feces you can’t catch
  21. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 3 December 2015 10: 57
    11
    With Erdogan, you never know what to expect. Therefore, we can see the escalation, we can see the de-escalation, but he will try to save his reputation
    1. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 3 December 2015 12: 12
      +6
      Quote: vc 72019
      he will try to save his reputation


      Good cartoon, life ... good

      In one topic, I have already expressed my assumptions about what awaits Erdogan.
      I repeat ...
      Even the fact that Erdogan will leave his post under pressure from evidence of his connection with ISIS will not solve his problems:
      1. Apparently, claims from customers about smuggled oil went. And smuggling is such a thing, contacted it, get rid of the hell ...
      I’ll put it more simply, like that, he promised oil, took an advance payment (advance payment), and “grabbed money.” Well, where is the oil?
      The excuse that they say the Russians are bombing will not work there ... Business, you know, nothing personal ...
      That's the rage and shot down the Su-24. negativeAnd this, according to Vladimir Putin, was his grand mistake. Vladimir Putin is a master at making the right hints. I love Our President !!! We look further ...
      2.Russia imposes sanctions. After a while (we'll wait), the Turkish oligarchs doing their business in Russia will start counting their losses. And here it begins, as in this cartoon, "sister, turn up the TV ...".
      Yes, Erdogan, well, you got ..
      Is this not what our Dear President hinted at?

      And there will be a court, but not according to the UN laws (as he asks in the cartoon), but according to his Turkish (mafia) laws.
      "Don't, please ..." We must, Erdogan, we must ...
      So Erdogan does not sleep.

      I will finish the first line.
      Good cartoon, vital! good A huge plus from me (it’s a pity that one, but how can I ...)
  22. Prutkov
    Prutkov 3 December 2015 10: 58
    0
    The UN Security Council resolution on the fight against ISIS provides an opportunity to combat the financing of terrorism. In this case, the Americans would slow down all tankers under the suspicion of oil smuggling. The chemical composition of the oil will tell you what kind of oil it is from.
    1. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 3 December 2015 13: 42
      0
      Oh, nah ....
      Americans against ISIS! Bees Against ...
      Rather, escorts will escort to avoid ...
  23. prabiz
    prabiz 3 December 2015 10: 59
    +3
    Forecasting is not grateful! One thing is clear - you can only trust yourself and act the same way!
  24. Hiw
    Hiw 3 December 2015 11: 02
    +1
    A normal reaction from them can only be achieved by bombing, although such strong disclosures even for these liars cannot go unnoticed, you need to continue to notify the whole world at extended press conferences, their government can lie at least as much, but if people know, then lying is much more difficult
  25. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 3 December 2015 11: 03
    +2
    All "civilized" Europe for the last 5 years has lived consuming Turkish smuggled oil, which was previously acquired by Turkey from ISIS, so no one will make any special claims to Erdogan; confrontation to whom and how much he sold. And with the emergence of Russia, all "demos" will run, at the head and at the behest of the United States, to divide Syria into spheres of influence, like jackals tearing off pieces of land where there is more oil.
  26. Peter endo
    Peter endo 3 December 2015 11: 04
    +7
    We must be aware that Russia is now confronted by the Anglo-Saxon world, which throughout its entire life in international politics has relied on self-interest, meanness and lies. Now they are joined by Ukrainians and Turks, who honestly, frankly, do not shine. So our TRUTH is unpleasant for them, but not fatal. Shake off and continue their policy. Unfortunately, these only understand power.
  27. BOB044
    BOB044 3 December 2015 11: 04
    +2
    The reaction of the West will be as always, I'm not me and not my mare. And all this was invented in Russia.
  28. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 3 December 2015 11: 06
    0
    Something the Turkish people themselves are silent

    The Germans also preferred not to notice either concentration camps or crematoria. And in fact, why burden yourself with some kind of worries about the deaths of some subhuman people there, because they all were fine while the roasted cock in ... didn’t peck. In then they sang that it was not they and. that they carried out only the order. Something like this.
  29. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 3 December 2015 11: 10
    0
    Forecasts are unreliable and ungrateful, especially if they are based on reliable facts that incriminate the West in the person of Turkey as accomplices of terrorism! Of course, these are "sons of bitches", but their own "sons of bitches" and just on this basis, one should not expect condemnation or any measures from the United States and NATO in relation to Turkey!
  30. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 3 December 2015 11: 11
    0
    As long as our guarantor has all the "partners", they will not give a damn about us. As soon as he declares them enemies and starts acting from a position of strength, then again everyone will start wagging their tails and sucking up. But this is unlikely to happen. As I already wrote, traders are warriors do not happen.
  31. konstant_n
    konstant_n 3 December 2015 11: 12
    +3
    Quote: BOB044
    The reaction of the West will be as always,

    Vsevseret - this is what the reaction of the West will be. We know, passed.
  32. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 3 December 2015 11: 13
    0
    Nothing will change at all in the external conversational market. They all know everything, with a few exceptions. NATO, too, doesn’t tell everyone. But inside the discussions it will increase. The most important thing for us, we will hear nothing useful except for crafty conversations, so that these arguments, which we have provided for adequate countries. And NATO countries are not adequate. Therefore, even if we show photos, videos, paper media and so on, the West still learned to shout so much that only the ax will help him!
  33. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 3 December 2015 11: 13
    0
    For everything to turn out well, it would be better to tighten control over the sky of Syria and monopolize this topic. And as for the foreign military in Syrian territory, to say that misses also happen to aviation
  34. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 3 December 2015 11: 14
    +1
    Reading the statements of foreign experts, I remembered that today is the day of the funeral of the great director and Filippov in the immortal comedy "Carnival Night", remember "Is there life on Mars, there is no life on Mars ...". The price of these opinions is a copper penny. One can be sure that Russia and Assad will be appointed guilty. Although I am not an expert, I am afraid that new sanctions are not far off. A la ger, com a la herr. This is about throwing pearls in front of pigs.
  35. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 3 December 2015 11: 19
    +3
    Yes, in my opinion, the reaction will be passive. Exactly the same as always.
    Be silent, pretend that nothing happened. Do not skip this information in your own media. And all ..... Well, still block the next Russian resolution regarding aiding terrorism. Create hype around the next sanctions against Russia. You look and ride.
    If Obama has not been stripped of the peace prize, will someone fan the flame? All this is their coalition (NATO USA EU Turkey) One big barrel of tar (or der ... ma, whatever you like). And they all stink the same there!
  36. Alekseits
    Alekseits 3 December 2015 11: 20
    0
    Here's the reaction: Washington's logic. The US confirmed that IS oil is going to Turkey, while stating that the main buyer is "Assad after all."
    http://topwar.ru/87259-logika-vashingtona-v-ssha-podtverdili-chto-neft-ig-idet-v
    -turciyu-pri-etom-zayaviv-chto-glavnyy-pokupatel-vse-taki-asad.html
    Here damn it, then only those words that cannot be written here ...
  37. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 3 December 2015 11: 20
    +2
    And what did our people want to achieve with these materials?
    They show, here they are, handsome oil carriers, here is the border of Turkey. here are the Turks, and here are the tankers.
    Well, neither the Americans nor the British, well, no one in NATO and the world understands that this is possible only with permission and coordination with ... who?
    Our Defense Ministry is loudly, but veiled, declares - either you are there eared suckers there and Erdogan all of you pointedly turned in one place, or all this happens with your approval.
    With whom then are you fighting, supposedly?
    What will be the answer, what will be the reaction of the "champions of justice"?
    The answer is known, right?
    .
    Well, now only with all the material in the UN Security Council. I see no other options.
    Otherwise, we are already - we get starballs.
  38. am808s
    am808s 3 December 2015 11: 22
    0
    As soon as the Turks began to rise in the eyes of the Russians, how Erdogan brought this assessment to the level of the baseboard. Did the great dream destroy? Great dreams are not realized with dirty hands and with the help of betrayal!
  39. bydanoff.val
    bydanoff.val 3 December 2015 11: 23
    -2
    Yes, they spat for a long time on all the evidence. One goal - to finish off Russia. What they do well.
  40. shinobi
    shinobi 3 December 2015 11: 23
    +2
    Now they will give, or have already given, the go-ahead for Poroshenko & the company. It’s breaking out at our side, it’s not up to Syria. So they think. They will get it in the teeth here and there.
  41. Wolka
    Wolka 3 December 2015 11: 33
    +1
    why talk about what has not happened yet, even hypothetically, there will be a day, will be writing
  42. askort154
    askort154 3 December 2015 11: 35
    +2
    Who would doubt it, but we know the Americans.
    We saw a thermal flash of the explosion of our flight over the Sinai, and about the columns of oil carriers,
    regularly, not for one month, shuttling across the Syrian-Turkish border, of course, they do not know anything. As well as on flight 717, shot down over Ukraine.
  43. samara-58
    samara-58 3 December 2015 11: 40
    0
    This is not something new and not expected ... These experts, by chance, do not live in a chicken coop ..?
  44. Artybyrd
    Artybyrd 3 December 2015 11: 41
    0
    Quote: STALK1974
    Something the Turkish people themselves are silent! They have few terrorist attacks there!

    The Turkish people are fooled no worse than our "zhovto-blakit brothers". In addition, only one major publication wrote about the Russian exposure of the Basurman - the newspaper Cumhurriyet, whose editor-in-chief and correspondent are now behind bars.
    According to observations, the Turkish society is divided in a ratio of about 65 to 35, where the majority supports Erdogan's course towards the Islamization of the country, draws information from sources loyal to the government, and believes that we should still apologize for "violating the borders" of sovereign Turkistan. The remaining 35 are people of secular views - educated, entrepreneurs, students who see and understand everything perfectly. I hope that it is this stratum of the Turkish population that will finally say its word, as Kemal Ataturok bequeathed))
  45. Proud.
    Proud. 3 December 2015 11: 45
    +8
    At a disco in Germany, a Russian in a T-shirt with the inscription: "The Turks have three problems."
    A Turk immediately approaches him and asks:
    - What are you doing? Looking for problems? Do you want to run over?
    - This is your first problem. Aggressiveness. You are always trying to create
    problems from scratch.
    When the disco ends, the Russian group is already waiting for them
    Turks.
    - Now you will answer for your words! They say.
    - This is your second problem. You cannot solve your problems yourself
    and immediately collect yours for any reason.
    “How dare you talk to us like that ?!” - the Turks snatched knives ...
    “This is your third problem,” the Russian continues. - you always come
    with knives for a shootout.
  46. russmensch
    russmensch 3 December 2015 11: 46
    +3
    For me personally, all this reminds me of 41 years old, when hordes of perfectly trained and well-equipped fascist hordes invaded our territory. See for yourself - a year ago, a well-organized information machine from the United States and its hangers-on hit the Russian Federation. We were "bombed" with fakes about the occupation of Crimea by force, the conduct of hostilities in Ukraine, ironed with a shot down Boeing and the seizure of the territories of Lugansk and Donbass. And then we tried to make excuses, demanded evidence and so on. But the machine was relentless and grinds our strength. RT accounts were frozen, our journalists were expelled from countries or obstacles were imposed on their activities ... Along the way, economic and political sanctions were announced, military and cultural ties were frozen.
    And so, as then, we went on the offensive. Look at what kind of miracles our politicians began to work out in the information field, and, what is most surprising, MO. We learned to fight and give answers in the information field. And now, with their teeth grinding, the USA suddenly changes rhetoric and admit that without Russia it is impossible to solve many issues. France suddenly comes under our banner in the fight against ISIS. Even England decided to participate in Syria. Germany is next in turn ... States began to demand that the Turks completely close their borders ...
    In that war, there were 11 "Stalinist blows" that defeated the enemy. How much history will show in this one. But we already see the first, which means there will be a victory.
  47. Angryvinny
    Angryvinny 3 December 2015 11: 48
    +3
    We seem to have good systems for data collection, analysis, etc.
    But damn the flow of information ..... Powerpoint slides and reading from a paper with grammatical errors at a briefing?
    Seriously, do you think THERE will notice it?
    Such data should be presented as a presentation of some kind of megafilm or another gadget - so that the possessed Americans would look frozen at the box.
    Is it really impossible to attract someone to create all stages of the communication of information?
    And so only jelly and nightingales are poured out of themselves.
    But like info, this one wasn’t for us, was it?
    Yo-mayo! 2016 is just around the corner - and in this matter - I don’t even know how far we are behind.
  48. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 3 December 2015 11: 51
    +2
    The US has already reacted. In today's information space of America, there is no place for a briefing by the Russian Defense Ministry - they all have channels covering the circumstances of the next execution, very outrageous and surprisingly timely.
    Yes, to expect another reaction from the hegemonic is naive. As evidence in the United States, only bot posts on social networks or links to an anonymous source in special services are accepted without any evidence. The official information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, confirmed by the pictures, is not an argument for Americans.
  49. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 3 December 2015 11: 58
    0
    Already it is impossible to get out! The consequences will still be.
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 3 December 2015 12: 47
      +1
      Well, they will spin for a long time. Cynicism in our time in politics has long crossed all borders.
  50. vladimirw
    vladimirw 3 December 2015 12: 19
    +1
    “With Erdogan, you never know what to expect. Therefore, we can see the escalation, we can see the de-escalation, but he will try to save his reputation, ”she said. “And I think that Erdogan will be under serious pressure from NATO and its Western allies in connection with revelations from the Russian side.”
    And I don’t think so, although he’s not an expert on BV - Erdogan - "a bitch of a bitch, but this is their son of a bitch" - I don’t remember which of the Americans said that about Batista. HE is much closer and dearer to them than the Russian Federation.
    Therefore, we must wait for the war in the media and military provocations of the rat-Erdogan