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State vandalism of Warsaw, or Poland, "what are you so impudent" ...

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29 November in the Polish town of Mielec with a population of about 63 thousand inhabitants an event occurred from the category of those who recently for Poland and the whole of Eastern Europe managed to acquire the status of almost ordinary ordinary ones. The thing is that the local authorities sanctioned the dismantling of the monument to the Soviet soldier-liberator (a copy of the famous monument in the Treptow Park in Berlin), and this dismantling was immediately carried out. At the same time, the city council of Mielec distributed a message that, they say, the monument was dismantled not for sending it to a raw material processing center, but for transferring to a special, you know, museum. The museum is located in the town of Ruda-Slaska and is called the “special fund of the past era”. They say, "Don vori", the monument simply "will change its location."


State vandalism of Warsaw, or Poland, "what are you so impudent" ...


To understand what exactly is behind the phrase about "changing the location", it suffices to turn to similar situations of a very recent past. Thus, during the past year in Poland, vandals or city services, at the behest of local authorities, destroyed Soviet monuments or uprooted from pedestals at least 6 times. More than two dozen times committed the abuse of the graves of Soviet soldiers who died during the liberation of Poland from the Nazis.

In none of the six cases mentioned, monuments, obelisks, memorial plates were returned to their former place or exhibited in any memorial museum telling about stories Poland. New sites for monuments of the Soviet era are usually warehouses or cellars in which the Poles, apparently, are trying to bury their own history. One of the most recent examples is the decision of the Polish authorities of Penenzhno to dismantle the monument to General Ivan Chernyakhovsky, not without military efforts of which the town of Melzak in East Prussia after the end of the war turned into that same Polish Penenzhno. And the head of Penenzhno Kazimierz Keido, apparently, decided that he had the right to decide on the elimination of the monuments to those people without whose exploits and his own appearance would have been under a big question mark ...
The Russian Foreign Ministry sent a statement to the Polish colleagues with a call to stop the destruction of monuments to soldiers-liberators. From the statement:

We demand from the leadership of Poland to stop the destruction of Soviet monuments.
Having dismantled the monument, the Polish side thus once again grossly violated the provisions of the fundamental bilateral documents, namely the Treaty between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Poland on friendly and good neighborly cooperation 22 in May 1992 of the year; Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of Poland on cooperation in the field of culture, science and education of 25 August 1993; Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of Poland on the places of memory of victims of wars and repressions of February 22 1994.


The answer from the Polish authorities came quickly enough. Moreover, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s ambassador to the Russian Federation, Ms. Pelczyńska Nalench, responded. Her words are the news agency Interfax:
We believe that the agreement that exists between Poland and Russia relates to cemeteries and burial sites. So-called symbolic monuments, where no one is buried, are under the jurisdiction of local authorities and can be dismantled in accordance with certain procedures. Such monuments are not protected by international agreements, including bilateral agreements between Poland and Russia.

You can, of course, continue to cite the words of Russian and Polish diplomats, in which some “express concerns” and others don’t express any “concerns” in connection with what happened, but just what it is ... By and large, everything is clear . The country, which in recent years has been calling Russia just as a follower of the Soviet Union that has invaded Poland, a country that calls on Western puppeteers to continue the militarization of the EU’s eastern borders and maintaining a center of constant tension in the Donbass, by all canons is not just potential, but there is a real opponent of the Russian Federation. Of course, we can say that not all Poles are ready to support the ideas of the West-Russian Xenophox pupils of the West who supported the power, and that there are, for example, Polish bikers who helped complete the single motor race in honor of the 80 anniversary of the Victory. But it seems

a) that the Polish biker and their associates in terms of willingness to live with Russia in good neighborhood is a rare exception to the big Polish rule (there is no news that any of the Polish public organizations not only condemned the actions of the authorities in Penzhenzhno or Mielec, but and made efforts to return historical monuments),
b) that the Polish authorities simply deliberately “feed” Russia with a demonstration of their own permissiveness against the background of constant anti-Russian provocative steps.

They say that they piled Soviet monuments, we bring them down now and we will continue to fell, and you look and cackle something about your concerns ...

The most interesting thing is that it did not start on November 29, when the monument was piled up in the city of Mielec and not even on the day of the dismantling of the Chernyakhovsky memorial in Melzac (Penezhno). This provocative campaign for more than two decades. As soon as the Polish elites realized that they could earn money on Russophobia (including political approval points by local radicals and overseas sponsors), so the process went. And, there is a feeling, the process will not just continue, it will grow. Today, monuments and obelisks to Soviet soldiers, tomorrow - the graves, the day after tomorrow - satanic dances at the already looted cemeteries. This policy of state vandalism will be continued for the simple reason that besides the “serious concerns” of the Foreign Ministry, we (Russia), unfortunately, do not take any measures to make the presumptuous Russophobes pro-Western bureaucrats from among the Polish authorities call to account. The rhetoric in the style of "this is the internal affair of Poland" just the same and allows the Polish "elites" to continue to defecate the descendants of those who, more than 70 years ago, liberated Polish territory from Nazi barbarism. Apparently, the lesson was not ...

Of course, I don’t want to be like the Polish state vandals, for whom what about people who regain their sovereignty after the Nazi occupation does not seem inviolable. I do not want to say that the local authorities in the Smolensk region in such a situation should attend to the issue of the expediency of finding a well-known memorial in the Katyn forest, including an obelisk in memory of the deceased Polish Russophobe President Kaczynski. I would like to be above all this ... But only the whole trouble is that the Polish power camarilla perceives this not at all as decency, but only as a Russian weakness with all the ensuing consequences.

If a mischievous neighbor cat, excuse me, pokes at the door in the stairwell, and its owners arrogantly declare that there is no such law that says that it is impossible to spoil the cat at the door, then such a cat, and such owners are punished. Nothing radical, just the law of life ...
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  1. Private IITR
    Private IITR 3 December 2015 07: 08 New
    +9
    The fight against monuments is a new European trend
    1. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 3 December 2015 07: 51 New
      +4
      "Man has to love and hate
      at the same time.
      The same eyes cry and the same eyes laugh
      the same hands should throw stones
      and the same hands to collect them,
      love in war and fight in love.
      Hate and forgive, remember and forget. "


      So it turns out a little hypocritically loved, but not a little bit hated.

      Of course, it hurts us to observe all this. But Polish dementia we will not treat. Let us leave it to the Lord.
      1. aktanir
        aktanir 3 December 2015 08: 07 New
        -16
        it is necessary to score for a long time on the monuments that are in the Baltic states and Poland and absolutely not to react at all. In this way, they (Poles, Baltic states) will always try to cheat us and stop doing this only when we stop paying attention to it. Monuments were erected for a reason, our grandfathers shed blood for the liberation of eastern Europe. But if its inhabitants have a drum, and they are ready to answer for their liberation from Nazism by the barbaric destruction of Soviet monuments, including their soldiers, then this should remain on their conscience. The main thing for us is to protect our monuments. There is a wise saying, like a Chinese one: one who tries to bite a nursing hand will lick a kicking shoe. The time will come when they will be "endured" from their current godfathers such as the USA and the rest. In 50 years, Russia will survive at the expense of its rich natural resources and vast territories, and small states, like minorities, will lose everything! The West will be preoccupied exclusively with its own salvation.
        1. Rom14
          Rom14 3 December 2015 10: 49 New
          0
          They, these settlements, thus assert themselves (!), There is nothing else, too insignificant in essence, it happened so historically ... There is one not bad educational tool - to send the consuls of boorish states home to find out the vile deeds against Russia. But unfortunately our government is shy ...
        2. quote
          quote 3 December 2015 12: 58 New
          +8
          Quote: aktanir
          must be beaten for a long time on the monuments

          I don’t read further! Count you! And in the head too!
          Now "near Smolensk" it is simply necessary to clear the land! And after poking "kittens" with a muzzle in kakahi! There is no law for the monuments of Polish "kamikaze"!
        3. Awaz
          Awaz 3 December 2015 15: 09 New
          +3
          Monuments and cemeteries of Soviet soldiers who died during the liberation of European cities from the Nazis were arranged in the city center for a reason. This was done as a warning to posterity, and what would all these Czechs Poles and Germans with Romanians remember who saved them from destruction and who shed blood, saving their cities from German barbarians who tried to demolish them to the ground.
          Unfortunately, our authorities indulge those who are trying to forget about the past and yet and therefore such provocations occur.
        4. Naum
          Naum 3 December 2015 17: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: aktanir
          must be beaten for a long time on the monuments

          This will be a betrayal of 600 thousand Soviet soldiers (our ancestors, by the way) who fell for the liberation of Poland from fascism. There are no hopeless situations. The systematic (more precisely, systemic) facts of Polish vandalism must be discussed from all international stands - the UN, OSCE, etc. It is necessary to tighten the attitude towards Russophobia, making them "banned" in Russia, to block oxygen freaks wherever possible! There are, there are levers of influence on all this.
        5. Berber
          Berber 4 December 2015 08: 36 New
          0
          You can’t forget anything. There will come a moment when for this we will put on the knees of all the freaks. No Christian forgiveness even more so.
      2. Kostyar
        Kostyar 3 December 2015 10: 31 New
        +2
        They show by such desecrations what “mighty” they are, because the monuments of surrender can’t give ....., but why our government does not intervene in this mess, it is not clear ...?! For a long time it is necessary to punish Psheks, publicly, so that other geeks would not be discouraged !!!
        1. alich
          alich 3 December 2015 14: 22 New
          +1
          I totally agree. We only need to set an ultimatum: if Poland continues the demolition of monuments, then this memorial in Katyn will be demolished! Moreover, the Katyn tragedy is the merit of the Germans. And only Gorbachev and Yakovlev presented false documents about the involvement of the USSR in this execution! And Kachinsky was an ardent Russophobe!
    2. dmitrich
      dmitrich 3 December 2015 08: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Private ICU
      The fight against monuments is a new European trend
      rather, Polish-Ukrainian!
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 3 December 2015 08: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Dmitry
        rather, Polish-Ukrainian!


        The Baltic states, Georgia, Bulgaria ... it's easier to remember who did not fight with the monuments.
        1. Gorjelin
          Gorjelin 3 December 2015 08: 35 New
          +4
          The Baltic states, Georgia, Bulgaria ... it's easier to remember who did not fight with the monuments.


          The new puppet states are vassals of the United States, who have left our influence due to internal betrayal of the supreme power.

          Everything is extremely logical.

          Why puppets of the West will preserve monuments hostile to them. This is a direct threat to their power. It is necessary to erase the historical memory of peoples as soon as possible and subjugate them with new talerastnymi values.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 3 December 2015 10: 57 New
          0
          Well, why should we be likened to a wretched one, a monument, it recalls long-past events, here in Orsk, in the Orenburg region, there is a huge monument to T. Shevchenko and the square is named after him, and it never occurred to anyone to fight it, but the most most importantly - why?
          After all, the same Ukrainians, Poles, tribals, Georgians, Bulgarians, etc., set a negative sign for themselves, they forgot who defended them, who laid their heads for them, who developed industry, who built houses. For example, in Vilnius, they apparently forgot what the designers of the Lazdinai, Zhirmunai and other districts were awarded, they forgot what kind of supplies all the tribaltes had. Then do not ask for help when you begin to beat on the head disrespectful.
        3. pytar
          pytar 3 December 2015 12: 01 New
          12
          I don’t know about Polsha and the Baltic countries, but the situation with the monuments in Bulgaria is quite different. One mythology has been ingrained in Russian society, which, for unknown reasons, has been snapped up with the Russian media for many years. The Russians are told that in Bulgaria almost every day, someone is mocking Russian monuments! Someone really wants the Russians to perceive Bulgaria and the Bulgarians as the enemy with the first signal. What is the real question with Russian monuments? I will give a few facts for your information: In Bulgaria there is somewhere 530 monument in honor of Russia and the Red Army. And UTB in a small territory of the country, gathering in a rectangle with the dimensions of 400X500 km! If we do not take into account the list and funeral graves, then this is a world record! Of the 430 monument in honor of Russia, never, no one touched a single one. In recent years, another 10-12 has been built. Streets, squares, localities, parks and so on, which bear names associated with Russia, are not amenable to counting! Of the more than 100 monuments of the Soviet Army, over the last “troubled” 20 years, the marginals painted 3-4 times several times. The last such case was the case of one Russian woman. Look for the topic of the Russian citizen Tolokonikova ... Cases are generally rare and in view of the identification of the performers, we can confidently say that we are talking about custom provocations! The goal is to provide material for the replication of negative stats in Russian media and will set the Russians against the friendly Bulgarian people. Who needs it, draw your own conclusions! Ordinary Bulgarians understand what is at stake and volunteers began to protect these monuments. Young and old, changed day after day. All the same, keep in mind that such a huge number of monuments cannot be protected, and I do not exclude other provocations in the future! After all, the topic is very sensitive! And the monument to Alyosha, as he stood on the hill, is worth it! He always has fresh flowers on a pedestal! The Russian ambassador himself thanked the Bulgarian people for the care and preservation of the monuments! Despite the scarcity of the Bulgarian budget, money for repairs to the monuments is always found. For comparison, I tried to find out how many monuments were destroyed and scolded in Russia, only in the last 20 years? It turned out to be difficult! I reached a hundredth and refused to count further ...! You crush them in a huge number, but we have not touched any! In this connection, the Russian government, from 22.10.2014, was forced to raise fines for the destruction of monuments by culture to the highest size in Europe. Here is the word again about the record, just not a reason for joy! As they say, first look at the logs in your eyes ... And at the end of my long post I will say a few more words! We need to be friends and be together! We are fraternal, Slavic, Orthodox peoples! We have common enemies! And corrupt rulers come and wipe. The peoples remain!
          1. Lexa-149
            Lexa-149 3 December 2015 17: 52 New
            0
            If only the Bulgarian government did not creep under the EU and the USA, it would be very cool. And that's how this article turns out again.
            http://weapon.temadnya.com/765832942001850440/bolgariya-vo-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojne-
            i-posle-nee-uchastie-bolgarii-vo-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojne /? utm_source = mailru & utm_med
            ium = email & utm_campaign = digest & utm_content = digest-title
            Well, the trick with the South Stream is still fresh in memory.
            Taka, buddy ....
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 December 2015 18: 10 New
              +5
              Lexa-149 Thanks for the link! I read it with interest! This is one of the rare objective articles in Russian, regarding Bulgaria. Contains inaccuracies. For example, on the question of Bulgarian Jews. Bulgaria is one of those few / I think, also Denmark / countries in Europe that did not give their citizens of Jewish origin in the death camps, despite Hitler’s insistence. To save them, the Bulgarian government had to formally restrict their rights / they were sent to work on road repairs in the country /, but they all remained alive and healthy. Bulgaria did not have time to save only those Jews who were from Macedonia, since the Germans dominated there. After the war, Bulgarian Jews played an important role in the creation of Israel.
              The issue of UP has not been removed from the agenda. Your media give out a very messy information about the role of Bulgaria in the problems with UP. I will strongly advise you not to believe everything they write ... The situation is much different. There will probably be new developments on the topic.
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 3 December 2015 08: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Dmitry
        rather, Polish-Ukrainian!

        Exactly!
        This is done in Odessa:
    3. S_last
      S_last 3 December 2015 11: 36 New
      +4
      Well, Russian Poles do not like what can you do. The war on monuments is funny and sad. But about the trend, I allow myself to disagree. According to statistics, since 1991 in Russia, about 1000 monuments of Lenin were demolished, and there were monuments to Stalin before, but now they are not. And I don’t even want to talk about how much was demolished after 1917.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 3 December 2015 13: 43 New
        +3
        I do not know a single demolished monument to Lenin in those places where I lived and live. In Maykop, I know two, one large in the central square (named after Lenin, of course), one small near the machine factory. No one is against, this is a story. In Novorossiysk there are also two - a large one, standing opposite the "white house", another smaller, but very interesting one, on Portovaya Street. The first monument to Lenin in the country. There is not only the figure of Lenin, he is quite complex. For some reason, I can’t get the photo uploaded. And the attitude towards the Poles in our family is bad. A line from the grandfather’s front-line letter is enough: “We entered Poland. It’s hard - the Poles shoot in the back.”
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 3 December 2015 07: 09 New
    26
    The monument near Smolensk Kaczynski with his retinue, KMK, does not quite legally stand and does not fit into the architectural appearance. Is it time to think about moving it to a better place, somewhere in a swamp? It’s not good to fight the dead, but you have to poke the living in the face.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2015 07: 16 New
      +1
      If the shabby neighbor's cat, I'm sorry, is crap under the door at the porch, and its owners haughtily declare that there is no such law that would say that crap can not be crap under the door, then such a cat and such owners are punished. Nothing radical, just the law of life
      just wondering how to punish? (we don’t buy apples anymore)
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 3 December 2015 08: 50 New
        +8
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        just wondering how to punish? (we don’t buy apples anymore)

        Send them their cobblestone from under Smolensk, let them put it wherever they want.
        In 2011, an interesting incident was:
        A memorial plaque erected a year ago by relatives of the victims at the crash site of the Polish presidential plane near Smolensk was replaced by decision of the regional administration.

        This was announced to "Interfax" in the press service of the governor of Smolensk region.

        Instead of a sign in Polish, now there is another, in two languages, Polish and Russian, However, as Radio Liberty correspondent reports, the new version does not have an inscription that the victims flew to commemorative events dedicated to the "70th anniversary of Soviet genocide in the Katyn forest over prisoners of war by Polish officers. "

        It is reported that due to the changed inscription, Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski will not lay flowers at the memorial during his visit to Russia on April 11.

        Wow, how tender we are! They can’t even revere the dead woman without pleasing their eyes with penitent Russians!
        Ugh on you, gentry full of holes.
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    2. cniza
      cniza 3 December 2015 08: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      The monument near Smolensk Kaczynski with his retinue, KMK, does not quite legally stand and does not fit into the architectural appearance. Is it time to think about moving it to a better place, somewhere in a swamp? It’s not good to fight the dead, but you have to poke the living in the face.



      We should not be likened to this, I don’t even know what to call it, we don’t need to “fight” with their methods, we are able to respond unconventionally, thoughtfully and effectively.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 3 December 2015 08: 22 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        We should not be likened to this, I don’t even know what to call it, we don’t need to “fight” with their methods, we are able to respond unconventionally, thoughtfully and effectively.


        I agree. And then tomorrow the Polish stubborn ones will start to eat feces from a plate in the colors of the Russian flag ... and here the practice of symmetrical answers will misfire ...
      2. larand
        larand 3 December 2015 08: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: cniza

        We should not be likened to this, I don’t even know what to call it, we don’t need to “fight” with their methods, we are able to respond unconventionally, thoughtfully and effectively.


        But here is the problem - they simply will not understand other methods due to the lack of brains.
        1. Mik13
          Mik13 3 December 2015 08: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: larand
          But here is the problem - they simply will not understand other methods due to the lack of brains.


          And I came up with a non-standard answer!
          It is necessary to sponsor the creation of the Polish femen movement (these are ladies who demonstrate their bodies without clothes for various reasons), only to select ladies with a weight of 150 kil, cellulite, wool and warts ... And let them run naked at Polish events. So win! wassat
      3. GRAY
        GRAY 3 December 2015 08: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: cniza
        We should not be likened to this, I don’t even know what to call it, we don’t need to “fight” with their methods, we are able to respond unconventionally, thoughtfully and effectively.

        Why be like? Let our monuments be given to us, and we will customize their cobblestones with them.
        Monuments can be put near the border crossings - let them look, scum.
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  3. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 3 December 2015 07: 10 New
    0
    The revisionists and dirty tricks themselves have long gone to the dustbin of history!
    1. Dilshat
      Dilshat 3 December 2015 10: 42 New
      +2
      So they will soon slide down to the level of the Taliban, and there it is not far from territory 404.
  4. apro
    apro 3 December 2015 07: 11 New
    +8
    The war of monuments is a sign of the barbarism of the Poles, only the asymmetric actions of Moscow on the economic and legal field will make Poland think about the harmfulness of hostile actions against Russia. We have something to show Poland the history of the Katyn case, Poland’s debts to the USSR, the deaths of thousands of Soviet prisoners of war in 20 of the last century, we must insist and don't back down.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 3 December 2015 08: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: apro
      The war of monuments is a sign of the barbarism of the Poles, only the asymmetric actions of Moscow on the economic and legal field will make Poland think about the harmfulness of hostile actions against Russia. We have something to show Poland the history of the Katyn case, Poland’s debts to the USSR, the deaths of thousands of Soviet prisoners of war in 20 of the last century, we must insist and don't back down.


      By the way, during the famous Volyn massacre, the Polish Army of Craiova did the same in response. True, they cut out smaller people - "all" of the order of 10000, according to various estimates - but also women and children. And then they themselves are embarrassed about this for some reason.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 December 2015 07: 11 New
    +2
    The so-called symbolic monuments where no one is buried are under the jurisdiction of local authorities and in accordance with certain procedures they can be dismantled.


    I got out.

    God be their judge!
  6. Bvg132
    Bvg132 3 December 2015 07: 17 New
    +6
    We believe that the agreement that exists between Poland and Russia relates to cemeteries and burial sites. So-called symbolic monuments, where no one is buried, are under the jurisdiction of local authorities and can be dismantled in accordance with certain procedures. Such monuments are not protected by international agreements, including bilateral agreements between Poland and Russia.

    Based on this statement from the Polish side, we could also do whatever we want with KVM. I wonder what the Poles will say?
  7. shinobi
    shinobi 3 December 2015 07: 22 New
    +3
    History is cyclical. Now they are tearing down, then they will vying to rebuild. In the EU, it’s still timid, certain politicians, but they’re already saying, “Can’t it be crushed? with a good memory. If something unpleasant with us did not.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 December 2015 10: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: shinobi
      History is cyclical

      Poles will punish themselves - they will start to swallow Galicia, but choke. Well choke so. Only this time, let NATO help them. not the Russian army.
  8. Same lech
    Same lech 3 December 2015 07: 22 New
    +2
    But the only trouble is that the Polish power camarilla does not perceive this at all as decency, but exclusively as a Russian weakness with all the ensuing consequences.


    The way it is..
    Polish policy in this matter is simple ... to get rid of all Soviet and then Russian heritage in POLAND including monuments ... but as they say history takes revenge on those who forget it and throw it in a landfill and the Poles and not only the Poles will again have to through time to step on the old rake once they did not take the lessons of World War II.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 3 December 2015 07: 23 New
    +3
    There is such a phrase: I don’t allow censorship to memory ... The Poles apparently decided to allow it ... I remember, I don’t remember here .. I fell from the top shelf of the train ..
  10. Green1976
    Green1976 3 December 2015 07: 29 New
    +2
    And even the "dead" (monuments) they are afraid of and hate us! What kind of people? Indeed, God is their judge!
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 3 December 2015 08: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Green1976
      And even the "dead" (monuments) they are afraid of and hate us! What kind of people? Indeed, God is their judge!


      These are not people - these are politicians. Do not bother everyone in one pile.
      If you want to see Poland as an adequate state, you need to promote the arrival of adequate politicians in power. Actually, this is what Russia has been doing all its life - until the 1990 of the year.

      Or does someone here believe in the possibility of free democratic elections in Poland as a way of expressing the will of the Polish people? wassat
  11. sa-zz
    sa-zz 3 December 2015 07: 31 New
    +3
    It has long been clear that Poland has never been a friend, and now they will not be even more so.
    I suggest moving the cemeteries of dead soldiers to the territory of the Russian Federation.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2015 07: 31 New
    +4
    This evil company will go on. It has long been noticed that Russia is more humane and kind to others, the more these others become impudent and perceive such an attitude not only for granted, but also as weakness. After which they begin to become more impudent.
  13. aud13
    aud13 3 December 2015 07: 43 New
    +7
    This war with monuments is actually a war with us. It is done in order to erase from the memory of people all the good things that happened between Russia and Poland and to leave all the bad things in order to infect the younger generation with ardent Russophobia. Looking at Ukraine, you can imagine what this could lead to.
    Of course, this cannot be allowed, but in Poland it is impossible to deal with it. Therefore, one can only suggest that monuments and memorials demolished in Poland should be located near Poland - near a customs point, airfields to which Poles fly, etc., so that both Poles and those who live next to them, without fail and always could see them and get acquainted. It would be nice if there were history museums nearby with exhibits from the past (tanks, planes, etc.), tourists usually visit such places with interest. This is where you can post information about the real role of the USSR in the war with Germany, as well as about the crimes of the Polish military.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 December 2015 07: 45 New
    +1
    Psheks will never forget the once-Greater Poland, which, by the way, by its impudent behavior to a large extent contributed to the start of WWII. But "beaten numb"! The self-confident Polish elite (I just want to write - the gentry about which someone wrote - barefoot, but with a saber) continues to puff up, posing as important and significant European politicians. And the demolition of the monuments is really a petty and vile affair, akin to the behavior of a shy cat.
  15. igorra
    igorra 3 December 2015 07: 49 New
    +2
    What can I say? Psheks - a nation that is looking for trouble out of the blue, three sections on its masochistic little head have already been found. Understand the dear Poles, you have been living without wars for 70 years, because the graves and monuments of Soviet soldiers serve as amulets of Polish land. As you demolish and desecrate all our monuments, the war will come to your land (this applies to all countries whose lands abundantly poured holy blood on our ancestors). And I don’t know, we are the descendants of those glorious warriors, whether we will lay our heads for your lives. Rather, we will wait until everyone is cut out, we will come and take your land to ourselves, and then our teachers will tell our children in your schools that there used to be a people who smeared themselves with betrayal and the Lord scattered the remnants of this people all over the world. So, gentlemen - Poles, it's time to choose which side you are on, go down in history as Prussians, encouraged, Dacians, or make history with Russia.
  16. alekc75
    alekc75 3 December 2015 08: 06 New
    +1
    they just have a lot of arrogance and ambition — they cannot forget how they once captured part of our land with cities
  17. oleggun
    oleggun 3 December 2015 08: 15 New
    +2
    Poland, except as a monument, cannot defeat anyone. Politics and its economy are completely dependent on the USA and the EU. Militarily, it is also weak.
  18. Humpty
    Humpty 3 December 2015 08: 19 New
    +5
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    But "beaten numb"!

    The Poles have a pronounced complex of beaten. But do not underestimate them, this is an active, far from cowardly nation with obvious tendencies for prostitution. To a coupe with their inherent pathological deceit and tendency to dirty tricks - an excellent biomaterial for dangerous provocations.
    There is no question of anything without 100% prepayment. With none of them. Even their ambassadors lie and recklessly when, for them, goats.
  19. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 3 December 2015 08: 22 New
    +3
    Once I wrote already that a mirror answer is needed, so changing like a leper. So what I want to say about this about impunity, the Poles, gives rise to arrogance .... which, frankly speaking, these Zamudonians now demonstrate ...
  20. Irinach
    Irinach 3 December 2015 08: 26 New
    +3
    We have the expression: "Ivanes who do not remember kinship", so it is very applicable to Poland: "Janeks who do not remember kinship." The distortion of good history does not bode well. It will come back to the Poles ...
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 3 December 2015 09: 17 New
      +1
      and the order during the Second World War not to hit with artillery and bomb the cities of the Psheks of our Commander-in-Chief is still the only one of that kind - “Protect Cities and Castles of Poland”, no country in the world has ever done so before .. and all in vain !!!
  21. Zefr
    Zefr 3 December 2015 08: 42 New
    +3
    If they are so brave, then why didn’t they defend themselves, at 39? And where were the guarantors of independence? Why not ask them, at least for compensation? And now, out of the blue, you can spoil Russia ... despite the fact that Ukraine won 2MB. That’s who the occupier is!
    And what about the German occupation?
    “About 6 million Polish citizens (about 21,4% of the total population), most of whom were Jews, died and died during the [German] occupation”
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 3 December 2015 08: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Zefr
      If they are so brave, then didn’t they defend themselves, in 39?


      There are no complaints about the courage of the Poles in 39. Politicians were a rare carrion - certainly. but ordinary soldiers fulfilled their duty.

      If France a year later was quiet with the UK, then what do you want from Poland?
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 3 December 2015 09: 00 New
      +2
      The Poles hoped for the West. But the West was silent.
      Germany, then, was Germany. The second or third world economy, first-class industry, military technology.
  22. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 3 December 2015 08: 43 New
    +2
    Psheki is a nation of jerks and prostitutes, and the most interesting thing is that in the geyrop they also think so.
    Communicating with the Poles and maintaining any relationship with them is not only disrespect for oneself, but also a desecration of one's “I”, one’s essence!
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 3 December 2015 08: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Volzhanin
      Psheki is a nation of jerks and prostitutes, and the most interesting thing is that in the geyrop they also think so.
      Communicating with the Poles and maintaining any relationship with them is not only disrespect for oneself, but also a desecration of one's “I”, one’s essence!


      ABOUT! Again the Nazi got out! Where did you come from, unfinished? Did you spend internet in the dugout?
      Why not in the ATO?
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  24. azbukin77
    azbukin77 3 December 2015 08: 55 New
    +3
    I live in Kaliningrad, the insanity of tolerant pid ... s (left and right) just rolls over !!! How much did they do ??????????? GITS !!!!!!!!!!!
  25. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 3 December 2015 09: 04 New
    +1
    Solovyov’s program included a cool dude - a Pole, by the way, an interesting character. A cocky hussar, but not very competent. The real symbol of Poland.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 3 December 2015 14: 06 New
      0
      On our television a couple of these. Another Czech. With a butterfly. Funny character. And Bom over the past couple of months has started to turn gray. Are we done? Awkward ... laughing
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  26. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 3 December 2015 09: 09 New
    +1
    demolish the monuments near Smolensk .. and put a bulldozer there and build a farm for sheep and ostriches
  27. Rom14
    Rom14 3 December 2015 09: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Green1976
    And even the "dead" (monuments) they are afraid of and hate us! What kind of people? Indeed, God is their judge!


    Yes, what kind of people is he, to bite, to shit, to be rude., No, it’s just good-for-nothing, and God has long turned his back on them ...
  28. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 3 December 2015 09: 19 New
    0
    And what can I say ... well, shame on Poland for its tricks ... but as they did, they will do so in their own way (((
  29. Batia
    Batia 3 December 2015 09: 19 New
    +3
    Dead shame not have. Opinion-monuments from these "friends" to redeem and put on our border at the border crossings with an explanation of where and when it was installed, and who wanted to destroy this memory.
  30. rusaiaiBishkek
    rusaiaiBishkek 3 December 2015 09: 24 New
    +1
    Yes, they need to shut off the oxygen to these fucking proud little girls. All can not calm down with the speech of the Commonwealth. also, after all, one of the initiators of 2 MB. it is necessary to extinguish them in full, enough to endure, to show nobility. politeness they perceive as weakness. so you need to show them their place in this world.
  31. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 3 December 2015 09: 25 New
    +2
    except for dirtying small things and yapping they don’t succeed, but there is a saying: “there is time to throw stones and there is time to collect stones”.
  32. komendant 64
    komendant 64 3 December 2015 09: 55 New
    +1
    Oddly enough, but the basis of the events is a bare economy. There are no concepts of a Slavic brotherhood and historical gratitude for this debilitated, hated nation, only money. If our country had lived more prosperously, richer, then the Poles would have been scrubbing alongside, striving to kiss passionately.
  33. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 December 2015 10: 01 New
    0
    Well, I think that we also have something to transfer ... only now the howl will be for the whole world.
  34. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 December 2015 10: 11 New
    +2
    They were "ungrateful pigs", they will remain them, of course I'm not talking about all the Poles, but the world is so arranged, one shit, and everyone sniffs. And it’s time for our government to be a government, not a crowd of officials with statements like "But in ... the eleventh year will be very good." You can’t, there’s not enough mind, make room for someone who can.
  35. satris
    satris 3 December 2015 10: 36 New
    +1
    Our Foreign Ministry needs to make something like a statement that since the Polish authorities treat the monuments of their liberators in this way, Russia will not mind if the lands that Poland received after the 2nd World War return to their former owners ... And all - take popcorn and watch the reaction.
  36. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 3 December 2015 10: 38 New
    0
    What does a lyah have between poles? That's right ... mind, honor and conscience.)
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 4 December 2015 20: 45 New
      0
      Made laugh.
  37. Aitvaras
    Aitvaras 3 December 2015 10: 45 New
    +4
    Recently, there was an interesting article on the VO, like in June 1941 in Lithuania, in battle, near Rasyainiai, one Soviet KV tank restrained a tank group of Germans. Before that, in one Lithuanian reputable magazine, there was a similar article about that battle and according to the recollections of Lithuanians , with the comments of our historians. The bottom line is that next to the place, the dead crew of this KV was buried and some "cheers patriots" suggested that this memorial be demolished. Readers of this magazine actively opposed. "It’s low and mean to fight with dead soldiers, who can’t protect themselves. "This monument is still standing.
  38. exSUman
    exSUman 3 December 2015 10: 47 New
    +1
    Along the way, the Poles freed the pedestals for German monuments ... missed seeing ...
  39. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 3 December 2015 11: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Private ICU
    The fight against monuments is a new European trend

    Quote: exSUman
    Along the way, the Poles freed the pedestals for German monuments ... missed seeing ...
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 4 December 2015 20: 50 New
      0
      Eccentrics with the letter M. If they want to use the T-34 (the best tank all the same), then they definitely need a Russian crew, they fight at ours in Donetsk in 70 years. Three Poles, Georgians and a dog are only in the movies.
  40. X
    X Y Z 3 December 2015 11: 18 New
    0
    But the only trouble is that the Polish power camarilla does not perceive this at all as decency, but exclusively as a Russian weakness with all the ensuing consequences.


    Very correct thought! You cannot agree with those who do not want to agree in principle. Our Foreign Ministry will not understand in any way that all our attempts to smooth and defuse the situation are perceived as weakness and recognition of our past sins. They seriously consider us debtors and are treated accordingly. Instead of talking on equal terms once and clutching the tail to extremists, we still persuade and appeal to reason. And if this mind is not there at all? It is high time to stop even discussing Polish megaprojects near Smolensk and to restrict access to Katyn for at least one year in response to the demolitions of our monuments. I assure you that there will be a positive result.
  41. sdv68
    sdv68 3 December 2015 12: 10 New
    +3
    There was nothing to sprinkle ash over Katyn's head. So it came around.
  42. vladimirw
    vladimirw 3 December 2015 12: 53 New
    +3
    that in such a situation, local authorities in the Smolensk region should be concerned about the advisability of finding a notorious memorial in the Katyn Forest, including the obelisk in memory of the deceased Polish president, Russophobe Kaczynski.
    Do not be like the Polish hyenas, BUT talk about that. that it was the Nazis who killed the Polish military NADO! And do it at the state level!
    1. alich
      alich 3 December 2015 14: 18 New
      0
      I totally agree. We only need to set an ultimatum: if Poland continues the demolition of monuments, then this memorial will be demolished! Moreover, the Katyn tragedy is the merit of the Germans. And only Gorbachev and Yakovlev presented false documents about the involvement of the USSR in this execution!
  43. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 3 December 2015 14: 37 New
    +1
    "what are you so impudent" ...

    Why not. No one has ever had any answer at all, just an absolutely helpless "concern", without any consequences, what are they afraid of?
  44. Raphael_83
    Raphael_83 3 December 2015 14: 39 New
    0
    Honestly, these panes have already been lifted up with their stupidity and petty petty vindictiveness. For a long time already, our Foreign Ministry should have removed all the monuments and monuments from the once "occupied" territories and somewhere in St. Petersburg or Kaliningrad (even better and more symbolic) to arrange a huge alley "In memory of Soviet soldiers-liberators ..." (following the example of Mamaev Kurgan) . And this will not be a cowardly retreat and surrender of positions to the Eurogays, but just the recognition by the current government of the memory of the fallen and thanks for the feat, as well as a delicious kick to all the pro-Western tantrums.
    Five or six years later, when the next big war will begin, and it, I think, is already inevitable and no matter what sign or symbol it will go under (anti-Russian, anti-Christian, anti-totalitarian, anti-human) - you should not get into local disassemblies and violate the sanctified time and millennia of residence of the peoples of the border, giving away foreign lands of all kinds to ungrateful mongrels.
    From SW. hi
  45. Simple russian
    Simple russian 3 December 2015 16: 42 New
    0
    Pinched eggs to these pshek, but we can’t, they are partners, and we are weak so far. It remains only to express concern.
  46. chinelev. v
    chinelev. v 3 December 2015 17: 22 New
    0
    Take all the monuments to Soviet soldiers to Russia, and give them Katyn and Kaczynski to them.
  47. PValery53
    PValery53 3 December 2015 17: 45 New
    0
    It seems that the time is approaching quickly when the Polish dancers on the bones of Russian heroes will receive "dividends" from the contribution of the Soviet Union to Polish land ... And they will prove fatal for the Polish nation.
  48. dedvmd
    dedvmd 3 December 2015 20: 47 New
    0
    In this situation, I can’t understand one thing, and why only the Russian Foreign Ministry is submitting applications and only the Russian side is concerned about this problem? Only this question I should probably ask myself and my government. I live in Belarus. My grandfather, a Belarusian, a native of the Gomel region, died and was buried liberating Poland in 1945. But from our official side, I have never heard any statements on this subject, it’s even disgusting from this silence, in the words “Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten”, but in reality it’s zilch.
  49. Koliamba_TV
    Koliamba_TV 3 December 2015 22: 09 New
    0
    I wonder: how much should cultural values ​​depreciate, that the government is deciding to remove the monument? And what will happen next? This is only the beginning.
  50. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 4 December 2015 06: 30 New
    +1
    Of all the states of Eastern Europe, only Bulgaria has created a museum where to store monuments of the era of socialism:

    Museum of Socialist Art