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Greek Defense Ministry: Turks shot down Su-24 over Syria

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The Russian Su-24 was shot down over Syria, otherwise NATO would have activated Art. 5 of its charter (Washington Treaty) on joint defense, transmits RIA News statement by the Minister of Defense of Greece Panos Kammenos.




“This fact is also recognized by Turkey, which, if everything was different, would have asked to activate Article 5 of the NATO Charter as an attacked member state of the alliance,” the minister said on the air of Mega channel.

Kammenos said that he would not take responsibility and claim that "whether the Russian Su-24 was shot down intentionally or accidentally," because "the decision to shoot down planes takes command on the ground."

"But even more serious was the fact that the Russian pilot was killed by the Gray Wolves," he said.

According to the minister, at the recent NATO Permanent Representatives Council, some countries - “especially former communist” - stated “about problems on the northern wing of NATO, fearing a rocket attack,” while “Greece said that problems are on the southern wing of the alliance.”

Returning to the plane incident, he added: "If Russia violated Turkish airspace, we would have taken a position for Turkey."

“Greece is a member of NATO and the EU. We would not take the side of Russia in case of a violation, ”said Kammenos.

He called on the international community to condemn the violation of Greek airspace by Turkish aircraft. “It would be nice if the Turks were sitting, not violating ...”, said the minister.

According to him, Turkey will not participate in the fight against IS, as the country is increasingly “Islamized”.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 2 December 2015 14: 15 New
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    “Greece is a member of NATO and the EU. We would not take the side of Russia in case of violation, ”Kammenos said.
    That's exactly why Turks treat you like garbage.
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 2 December 2015 14: 20 New
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      Quote: Wend
      “Greece is a member of NATO and the EU. We would not take the side of Russia in case of violation, ”Kammenos said.
      That's exactly why Turks treat you like garbage.

      The Greeks maneuver, but no matter how it turns out, as the saying goes: -Greeks maneuvered, maneuvered but not caught! crying
      1. Darkoff
        Darkoff 2 December 2015 14: 23 New
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        The Greeks maneuver, but no matter how it turns out, as the saying goes: -Greeks maneuvered, maneuvered but not caught!

        Or maybe they just say the truth?
        No matter what, there is a split in NATO. Good!
        That's exactly why Turks treat you like garbage.

        Believe me, this is mutual! The Greeks have no reason to love the Turks.
        1. venaya
          venaya 2 December 2015 14: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: DarkOFF
          The Greeks have no reason to love the Turks.

          I note that this applies to almost the entire European Union, which is not surprising. Therefore, Turkey, although a NATO country, will never join the EU, the possible reason is the incredible Islamization of Turkey.
          1. 2s1122
            2s1122 2 December 2015 17: 40 New
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            I ask you Europe what went into it, what happened. These leaders of Europe would just rustle the loot. They just press the Germans to accept refugees regardless of who they are.
        2. Vend
          Vend 2 December 2015 15: 12 New
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          Quote: DarkOFF

          That's exactly why Turks treat you like garbage.

          Believe me, this is mutual! The Greeks have no reason to love the Turks.

          However, the Greeks do not fly to Turkey on military aircraft. But the Turks believe it is clear that the Greeks do not have a decree, garbage. And the Greeks consider the Turks garbage apparently around the house, behind closed doors.
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        4. gjv
          gjv 2 December 2015 15: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: DarkOFF
          The Greeks have no reason to love the Turks.

          Mr. Panos Kammenos, start shooting down Turkish F-16s over Greece! You are welcome!
          Quote: Wend
          And the Greeks consider the Turks garbage apparently around the house, behind closed doors.

          Quote: Sterlya
          Greeks are weak.

          They have modernized, both have become, drunk .... But before there were precedents.
          In 1985-1986, interceptions and maneuvers took place between the Greek F-4E and Turkish F-104G, according to unconfirmed information, two Turkish Starfighters crashed during these intercepts.
          Both Turkish and Greek F-16s have repeatedly participated in air incidents between the air forces of the two countries. Almost always, such incidents occurred without firing, but on October 8, 1996 this rule was violated: a Turkish F-2000 was shot down by a Greek Mirage 16 fighter, one of whose crew members died. Information about this case was hidden by both parties and was recognized by the Turkish representative only in 2003.
          On June 18, 1992, during the interception of two Turkish F-16s, the Greek Mirage F1 crashed.
          On July 15, 1993, during a training flight, the Greek F-16 crashed; according to one version, it could be intercepted by the Turkish F-16.
          On September 2, 1994, the Greek F-4E, over the Aegean Sea, mistakenly shot down another Greek F-4E.
          On February 8, 1995, a Turkish F-16, flying into Greek airspace, was intercepted by two Greek Mirage F1s and crashed while maneuvering the F-16.
          On October 20, 1995, the Turkish reconnaissance RF-4E was intercepted by an unknown Greek fighter. During the maneuver, the Turkish plane crashed.
          On December 28, 1995, the Greek F-16C entered into an air battle with the Turkish F-4E. During the maneuver, a Turkish plane crashed into the sea.
          On October 8, 1996, a Greek Mirage 2000 shot down a Turkish F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter in an aerial battle over the Aegean Sea.

          November 5, 1997, Turkish F-4E crashed after an air battle with an unknown Greek fighter.
          On May 23 on 2006, the Greek F-16 and Turkish F-16, which carried out reconnaissance flight, collided. Both planes crashed.
          The Turkish-Greek conflict is the only one where the F-16 fighter suffered sustained losses in air battles, all three Turkish F-16s and three Greek F-16s (1 possible) were lost.

          Apparently really weaklings, since they dare not continue good traditions.
        5. pvv113
          pvv113 2 December 2015 19: 37 New
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          I also believe that in this case, the Greeks from the heart speak the pure truth
      2. Sterlya
        Sterlya 2 December 2015 14: 26 New
        +3
        Greeks are weak. Nothing of his own. There have long been Macedonian and the times when Greece was something
        1. cniza
          cniza 2 December 2015 14: 29 New
          +6
          Quote: Sterlya
          Greeks are weak. Nothing of his own. There have long been Macedonian and the times when Greece was something



          They are not worthy of their ancestors, and indeed lazy.
          1. Sober
            Sober 2 December 2015 17: 59 New
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            Quote: cniza
            Yes, and lazy.

            This is from what sources?
            1. Nick1953
              Nick1953 2 December 2015 19: 26 New
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              I'm going on the train for a year, sort of, 89m with a fellow traveler. Tatarochka, about twenty years old, synpathetic. Goes on vacation to parents in Kazan. From Greece. He works there as a programmer in a private company.
              Tells: only the boss and I work. The rest of the staff drink tea all day, talk, among themselves, a day break - three hours ...
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      3. Proxima
        Proxima 2 December 2015 14: 36 New
        +3
        Ah, the Greeks are Greeks! How can you fawn on with a state in which they have been under occupation for centuries! They either admit violation of the SU-24 airspace, or they don’t recognize it. And the fact that the Turks fly into your airspace, as to their home - do you admit it!?!
        1. ydjin
          ydjin 2 December 2015 15: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Proxima
          Ah, the Greeks are Greeks! How can you fawn on with a state in which they have been under occupation for centuries! They either admit violation of the SU-24 airspace, or they don’t recognize it. And the fact that the Turks fly into your airspace, as to their home - do you admit it!?!

          Yes, it seems political impotence befell Europe! Everything is only by order from the supreme sovereign! European values ​​have become a myth. Europe has played a game of tolerance, sadly! But you could live!
      4. Tor5
        Tor5 2 December 2015 14: 43 New
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        Sometimes Europeans express common sense ... however, it is very rare.
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      6. Corsair
        Corsair 2 December 2015 17: 49 New
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        Quote: ydjin
        Greeks maneuver

        laughing rather they lick, or rather they licked both ours and the USA so as not to be offended
    2. sherman1506
      sherman1506 2 December 2015 14: 24 New
      +1
      Aha, keep waving. I think soon it will be hot and they will scream again, the Russians help the brothers. It is better to ask C-400 for rent now.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 2 December 2015 14: 27 New
        +1
        The Russian Su-24 was shot down over Syria, otherwise NATO would use Art. 5 of its charter (Washington Treaty) on joint defense, reports RIA Novosti statement of the head of the Ministry of Defense of Greece Panosa Kammenosa.

        Greatly "Panosa got through" the Turks! winked
        1. sherman1506
          sherman1506 2 December 2015 15: 37 New
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          And where can they go, from three sides the S-400s cover the entire sky of Turkey, from two "Iskander", about the calibers and bastions, in general I am silent. Nata pushes them away from them, although they still crap, but this is a trifle.
      2. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 2 December 2015 14: 37 New
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        And nafua, I apologize for my French, the Greeks S-400. Do they already have an S-300 and what's the point? Turks fly in the Greek sky as in their own, for example, on the same site today: http://topwar.ru/87176-gsh-vs-grecii-samolety-vvs-turcii-nahodilis-v-grecheskom-
        vozdushnom-prostranstve-okolo-poluchasa.html # comment-id-5303132. And what measures did the Greeks take - absolutely nothing, so they watched the flights of Turkish fighters and then raised a cry about what the Turks were bad. Apparently Tsipras hopes that the EU and NATO will plug his throat with another cash donation. The Greeks and the Turks had a centuries-old enmity and huge accounts for each other. But Greece is a NATO member and will never go against the alliance's demands. Maximum - they will tear their throats, all the time looking back at Brussels and Washington - haven't they gone too far with screams? And now, the Greeks, taking advantage of the current situation, are trying to sit on two chairs at once - to make kaku to their "beloved" Turkish neighbors, weighing curtsies to Russia and at the same time not going too far in this matter so as not to receive a formidable hail from the headquarters - NATO apartments.
        What will come of all this - we will see.
        I have the honor.
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        2. gjv
          gjv 2 December 2015 15: 32 New
          +1
          Alexander Grigorievich, plus for "Nafua S-400". soldier They really have a lot of land and sea air defense systems of different types, fighters with V-V missiles. And then there are many MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns. And at the same time they only squeak. Apparently because of the money.
          But before that, until 2006 there were precedents when the Turks were stopped despite membership in NATO.
        3. sherman1506
          sherman1506 2 December 2015 16: 00 New
          0
          Well, the flag in their hands. Like? Get high.
        4. sherman1506
          sherman1506 2 December 2015 18: 18 New
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          It is necessary that the Kurds get a couple of beeches lost.
    3. Vikings
      Vikings 2 December 2015 14: 50 New
      +2
      To say the least! In my opinion, the Stone
      meant the current mood of the ruling elite of Greece.
      But on the basis of this speech, we need to do
      a definite conclusion! Well, the Greeks, it remains to complain about historical
      memory and that little Turks violate your air
      space. You need sobriety to assess the situation,
      so that they still by "mistake" a couple of missiles in your crotch, launched. Then look the Greeks will begin to act adequately!
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 2 December 2015 15: 27 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, the opinion of the Greeks is published only in Russia, but we already know the truth. Words mean little nowadays - some lie, they don’t hear others. The arguments were threats, blackmail, and downed planes. But you need to be prepared to respond forcefully to force, because political scumbags only understand this.
  2. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 2 December 2015 14: 16 New
    +5
    Let's get the guys louder, more active. . .
  3. good7
    good7 2 December 2015 14: 16 New
    +1
    Discover America!
  4. bronik
    bronik 2 December 2015 14: 16 New
    +8
    Anecdote.ru:
    The reason for Erdogan's inadequacy was found out - the menstruation of the entire harem was synchronized.
  5. Kurdalagon
    Kurdalagon 2 December 2015 14: 18 New
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    Nothing niche ... They will remember more than once this plane!
  6. DOMINO100
    DOMINO100 2 December 2015 14: 19 New
    -4
    Glory to the USSR!
    1. Decathlon
      Decathlon 2 December 2015 14: 24 New
      +2
      Look who's Talking...!
    2. Darkoff
      Darkoff 2 December 2015 14: 24 New
      +1
      Glory to the USSR!

      Troll, please.
      1. DOMINO100
        DOMINO100 2 December 2015 14: 35 New
        +6
        no! I just respect the USSR!
    3. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 2 December 2015 14: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: DOMINO100

      Fish!!!
      1. DOMINO100
        DOMINO100 2 December 2015 14: 56 New
        +1
        )))) the wise gudgeon.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 2 December 2015 15: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: DOMINO100
          )))) the wise gudgeon.

          By age, I’m rather a grandfather of Shchukar! laughing hi
          1. DOMINO100
            DOMINO100 2 December 2015 15: 13 New
            +1
            Well, I don’t think much older than my 46!
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 2 December 2015 15: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: DOMINO100
              Well, I don’t think much older than my 46!

              If you use the terminology of dominoes, then I have 6: 0! tongue hi
              1. DOMINO100
                DOMINO100 3 December 2015 11: 46 New
                0
                six is ​​empty! ))) lol
  7. Deniska
    Deniska 2 December 2015 14: 20 New
    +2
    Damn right man then ...
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 December 2015 14: 29 New
      +2
      The Greeks of the Poles have reminded me now. Nothing depends on them, but they declare their position. They sided with Turkey, sided with Russia ... What is changing?
      1. 2s1122
        2s1122 2 December 2015 17: 48 New
        +1
        It’s just that it’s hard for the Greeks to stand without movement, so they are shifting from one foot to another laughing
        1. Tiger4
          Tiger4 2 December 2015 18: 16 New
          0
          Super sloth nation! They all and at all times hollowed ....
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2015 14: 23 New
    +5
    For Greece, a NATO member is a bold statement. Thanks for that too.
  9. NEXUS
    NEXUS 2 December 2015 14: 24 New
    +2
    The situation is heating up every day. New blocks and alliances are being created ... And the information war is gaining more and more momentum, being already an integral and important part of network-centric warfare.
  10. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 2 December 2015 14: 26 New
    +2
    Well, at least someone understands what really happened! ((
    ... "A debt for the commander" has not been given yet! Not given yet!
  11. newcomer
    newcomer 2 December 2015 14: 26 New
    +4
    In general, nothing new. the Greeks are also good decided to harm the Turks inciting us. we ourselves know what and when to do. off-topic. can anyone say anything new about instant 35? I can’t find anything but promises. not lose him like yak41.
    1. YakimovSS
      YakimovSS 2 December 2015 14: 42 New
      -1
      The theme is flying.
      MIG-29K - this is largely the 35th, only ship.
    2. sa-zz
      sa-zz 2 December 2015 15: 19 New
      0
      can anyone say anything new about instant 35? I can find nothing but promises

      Well, if they promise they will.
      And if it's a secret, then it can take off vertically and swim underwater at a speed of 105 knots with an autonomy of 40 days.
  12. ydjin
    ydjin 2 December 2015 14: 35 New
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    There is a joke among the people: -On the day after the birthday of GDP, he wakes up, turns on the TV. And on all channels, no more than America! GDP calls Shoigu and says: -Nuka report details on this issue! To which Shoigu replies: - Remember, we celebrated your birthday yesterday? And when the guests parted, we stayed in a small company. You, me and Lavrov. Lavrov went to the restroom, and at that time you went to the world map, looked at it and said: -Russia is so big, and America is so small! And then Lavrov came back and suggested: -And do not yop us a little? .... laughing PS People know that the root of evil in the United States!
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 2 December 2015 14: 37 New
    0
    Turkey will either be substituted or merged! But the fact that she is a thorn in the eye of NATO is absolutely certain!
    1. The black
      The black 2 December 2015 14: 49 New
      +7
      Merge? But it seems to me the opposite. The Turks will be pushed in every possible way to war with Russia. The hints of the US Secretary of Defense that the Turks would not be bad to take control of a section of the border with Syria are talking about this. In all the wars of Turkey and Russia, the faces of the Anglo-Saxons loomed behind them. And now, increasing the grouping (as it is abruptly, both the FRG and England harnessed), they seem to push the Turks. Like "do not be afraid, abroad will help you" ...
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 2 December 2015 15: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Black
        Merge? But it seems to me the opposite. The Turks will be pushed in every possible way to war with Russia. The hints of the US Secretary of Defense that the Turks would not be bad to take control of a section of the border with Syria are talking about this. In all the wars of Turkey and Russia, the faces of the Anglo-Saxons loomed behind them. And now, increasing the grouping (as it is abruptly, both the FRG and England harnessed), they seem to push the Turks. Like "do not be afraid, abroad will help you" ...

        That's right, I agree! I hope the Ottomans remember the history of their "relationship" with Russia and, most importantly, where do the ears grow from behind their backs?
        You angered again the Russian bear in earnest Turks ...
  14. win
    win 2 December 2015 15: 01 New
    +6
    Returning to the plane incident, he added: "If Russia violated Turkish airspace, we would have taken a position for Turkey."


    US intelligence provided satellite data: The thermal footprint of a downed Russian aircraft was completely in Syria.
    1. win
      win 2 December 2015 17: 34 New
      +2
      The United States, with the help of special services, came to the conclusion that the Russian Su-24 military aircraft was still shot down in the sky over Syria. This says thermal footprint The bomber, which the Americans tracked from satellites, the country's media reported, citing official sources.

      http://teknoblog.ru/2015/11/25/50988
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  15. cap
    cap 2 December 2015 15: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Black
    Merge? But it seems to me the opposite. The Turks will be pushed in every possible way to war with Russia. The hints of the US Secretary of Defense that the Turks would not be bad to take control of a section of the border with Syria are talking about this. In all the wars of Turkey and Russia, the faces of the Anglo-Saxons loomed behind them. And now, increasing the grouping (as it is abruptly, both the FRG and England harnessed), they seem to push the Turks. Like "do not be afraid, abroad will help you" ...

    I am sure the pilot f16 has already been dismissed with shame.
    Be late for a minute and disrupt a grandiose plan.
    A huge number of specialists were brought in. The writers at the ready.
    And then the NATO reporter is told, “Your card is a bit, the pilot did not meet the schedule.
    urgently edit the texts "
    Hence the confusion at the very beginning.
    So it seems and was. hi
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    2. win
      win 2 December 2015 17: 23 New
      +2
      Be a minute late and frustrate a grandiose plan


      The Malaysian Boeing 777 was also shot down by a minute.
      And so would have fallen to the territory of Russia.
      Also a planned action.

      The trend, however ...
  16. hohkn
    hohkn 2 December 2015 15: 34 New
    +1
    “Greece is a member of NATO and the EU. We would not take the side of Russia in case of a violation, ”said Kammenos.

    As long as they behave as forgiven, the Turks will wipe their feet about them, which they successfully do.
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 2 December 2015 16: 19 New
    +1
    Just the Greeks understand ... if something happens ... then there will be no help from NATO, it will decide its interests.
  18. Tiger4
    Tiger4 2 December 2015 18: 13 New
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    The Greeks are ready to fight the Turks until ... the last Russian soldier! This is from the 19th century!