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Pentagon: new missiles for the missile defense system under the INF Treaty are not covered

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The missiles that the Pentagon will install as part of the European missile defense system are not subject to the INF Treaty, reports RIA News statement by the representative of the military department Brian McKeon.




During the meeting of the foreign affairs committee of the congress, McKeon said that Russia was concerned about US plans to deploy launchers in Poland and Romania that could be equipped with Tomahawk missiles falling under the INF Treaty.

“They (RF) are wrong. They (the new missiles) do not have the same capabilities in the fire control system as on the Tomahawk or on warships, ”said McKeon.

The agency explains that the INF Treaty provides for the elimination of ground-based missiles only, so the Americans began deploying missile defense systems by installing anti-ballistic missiles on ships in the Atlantic zone.
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  1. atk44849
    atk44849 2 December 2015 12: 31 New
    -19
    here on the site! , all so correct! like all tear! but the war will be and everything goes to this! do not go to the fortuneteller.
    1. cniza
      cniza 2 December 2015 12: 34 New
      10
      Quote: atk44849
      here on the site! , all so correct! like all tear! but the war will be and everything goes to this! do not go to the fortuneteller.



      What can't you wait for? Share the findings when will it be?
      1. atk44849
        atk44849 2 December 2015 12: 48 New
        +5
        she has already begun!
        1. anderles66
          anderles66 2 December 2015 12: 56 New
          +1
          So will it be (that is, it is not there yet) or has it begun (that is, it already is)? Or mal-mal in Russian understand?
        2. cniza
          cniza 2 December 2015 12: 57 New
          15
          Quote: atk44849
          she has already begun!



          It has been going on for a long time and we need to do everything to end it on a foreign land and not transfer to our territory.
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        4. PSih2097
          PSih2097 2 December 2015 16: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: atk44849
          she has already begun!

          as for me, so it (the cold war) did not end, especially since transition in the hot stage, I think it’s inevitable, just all interested parties delay its beginning ...
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    3. Tor5
      Tor5 2 December 2015 12: 34 New
      0
      I think we have something to oppose!
      1. Coconut Tima
        Coconut Tima 2 December 2015 13: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Tor5
        I think we have something to oppose!

        Pentagon: new missiles for the missile defense system do not fall under the INF Treaty, but fall within the scope of the Iskander and Caliber
    4. OlegLex
      OlegLex 2 December 2015 12: 35 New
      +5
      It is already coming, and thank God not on our territory.
    5. sever.56
      sever.56 2 December 2015 12: 36 New
      11
      Quote: atk44849
      but the war will be and everything goes to this! do not go to the fortuneteller.


      Another homegrown Nostradamus ...
      Such on the "censor", "Echo of Moscow" and "Rain" - a dime a dozen ... I got lost, I got the wrong address. He needs to go there. They will accept with enthusiasm.
      1. 2s1122
        2s1122 2 December 2015 12: 51 New
        +3
        Time is turbulent right now for sure, and economic sanctions are also a kind of theater of operations against the Russian Federation
      2. atk44849
        atk44849 2 December 2015 13: 00 New
        +4
        Dear!, I do not see anything good! who will build the ships !? silicone generation? no specialists no engineers, I sn 28 rubles! who will go to work? we last stayed !!! and all !!! catch ... and that's it !!! and I want to go to the village and live in the taiga. take-all!
        1. Abrekkos
          Abrekkos 2 December 2015 13: 13 New
          +1
          Yes, the fleet was completely abandoned.
          We also had topics on the fleet, but they all closed. Remained only underwater.
          Like let them sculpt what they have.
          But this is nonsense! "The navy even has different nails." So they think that they will interrupt.

          It is evident that one has to sacrifice something on a large scale.
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 2 December 2015 16: 11 New
            0
            Quote: Abrekkos
            Yes, the fleet was completely abandoned.

            In fact, yes.
            Formally, a lot of money has been allocated to the fleet.

            How does the leadership not understand that there is a “devastation in the minds,” especially of managers and managers?
            It's time to start self-treatment ...
        2. single
          single 2 December 2015 13: 28 New
          +1
          Yes, not that specialists and engineers .... There is nobody to put to the machine !!! We used to prepare the locksmiths, turners, GPTU (now Lyceum). welders.
          Now they cook immediately "masters". But to find a good turner or locksmith is another problem ...
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 2 December 2015 16: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Single
            Yes, not that specialists and engineers ....

            This is the diploma ...
            Really, an engineer cannot be found in the afternoon with fire ...
        3. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 2 December 2015 16: 09 New
          0
          Quote: atk44849
          we last stayed !!! and all !!! catch ... and that's it !!! and I want to go to the village and live in the taiga. take-all!

          CLOSE TO TRUTH.
          The only reassuring thing is that in the geyrop, those who are working and skilled are also transferred.
          But how many talkers ...
      3. atk44849
        atk44849 2 December 2015 13: 25 New
        +3
        you are not right . I love my Motherland very much and I devoted 12 years to honest service to my Motherland !!! and now I serve in the Pacific Fleet. but tired!
        1. S_last
          S_last 2 December 2015 15: 49 New
          -4
          patriotism is not worth it and you run the risk of being misunderstood
        2. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 2 December 2015 16: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: atk44849
          you are not right . I love my Motherland very much and I devoted 12 years to honest service to my Motherland !!! and now I serve in the Pacific Fleet. but tired!

          Vym plus.
          It remains for us to live by the principle:
          "Do what you must, and be what will be."
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 2 December 2015 12: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: atk44849
      here on the site! , all so correct! like all tear! but the war will be and everything goes to this! do not go to the fortuneteller.

      Oh, how you can’t wait to start a war, only now it has been going on for a long time, thank God not our territory, although a nigga wants to transfer the war from Syria and Ukraine to Russia.
      1. leo3972
        leo3972 2 December 2015 14: 35 New
        +1
        Who is with the sword ?!
        The club between the eyes am
    7. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 2 December 2015 12: 41 New
      +9
      Anxious, I agree. But freaking out, don’t, "quietly go down the mountain ..." wink And in the alien territory of all tear, as you put it. The war is already on, everything is fine, everything is under control. They will announce the mobilization, let's go ... In the meantime, go to work, do normal business, everything is fine.
      1. atk44849
        atk44849 2 December 2015 12: 45 New
        +1
        I'm tired of going down the mountain. and get paid less and less! although I work for the defense industry!
        1. Alexanast
          Alexanast 2 December 2015 13: 01 New
          14
          I also work for the defense industry, and our salary is not all right, but people do not panic, do not quit and cry, they just do their job.
          1. atk44849
            atk44849 2 December 2015 15: 08 New
            -3
            as they drank - pr ... blei! and build ships!
      2. atk44849
        atk44849 2 December 2015 13: 35 New
        +1
        Yes, everything would be fine. but leaving for work at 6.00:20.00 a.m. and until 28:XNUMX p.m. and not seeing children and his wife sawing for the fact that sn XNUMX rubles? is this normal? and you have everything under control! do you think this is normal?
    8. atk44849
      atk44849 2 December 2015 12: 47 New
      -2
      boring! working for the defense industry. getting everything. less and less!
      1. cniza
        cniza 2 December 2015 12: 51 New
        +7
        Quote: atk44849
        boring! working for the defense industry. getting everything. less and less!



        Try to find another job, do not wait for someone to decide for you.
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      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 2 December 2015 12: 54 New
        14
        Quote: atk44849
        boring! working for the defense industry. getting everything. less and less!

        Actually, many are in your position, I also work for the defense industry and get less than before, but I live and will live and work, if you don’t like it, now nobody holds anyone, find where they pay more and work and earn, not one you are so.
      4. 2s1122
        2s1122 2 December 2015 12: 59 New
        +6
        My wife and I have an IP, but income is also less and less and the tax is higher, this situation is everywhere both in our country and in the west. But it’s unpaid drinks break through where ours did not disappear
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 2 December 2015 13: 07 New
          +7
          Quote: 2s1122
          . But we’ll break through where ours didn’t disappear

          Golden words brother. drinks
        2. Abrekkos
          Abrekkos 2 December 2015 13: 18 New
          0
          Well, let's put it in the west, then they have everything exactly.
          Rather, revenue growth this year is not the same as last year.
          Look at stat data and courses and not on TV.

          And so I agree with you, "Well, we are not rats so that in fear everyone will run away from their posts."
      5. Abrekkos
        Abrekkos 2 December 2015 13: 05 New
        +1
        You are not working there somewhere.
        In general, there is nothing to complain about. Key people get paid on contract and very well. People even from commercial offices can be dragged by money even in Moscow. And indexed.
        Or do you think in dollars? So it is in business less and less.

        Although of course now much is being cut. But still more precisely, within the framework of redistribution.

        And so I sympathize. It remains to reckon that the growth potential is growing (relative to the general level of course). For you, the entire NATO bloc and the US president are bothering the leadership of our country.

        And before that, console themselves with the fact that "the homeland appreciates the homeland knows how highly ours ???? fly."
        There were times, and you know much worse if you work for the defense industry. I put +
        As a non-material incentive.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 2 December 2015 16: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Abrekkos
          In general, there is nothing to complain about. Key people get paid on contract and very well.

          The complete contradiction.
          If the second phrase is true, then, as practice shows, only managers and managers can be subscribed to the first, who turn out to be “key” ...
    9. atk44849
      atk44849 2 December 2015 13: 03 New
      -1
      Are you on the site so correct? and such a life got me! for 28 rubles to raise the defense industry! do not know ? - so be quiet! and the site has become like a kindergarten! get back to reality!
    10. atk44849
      atk44849 2 December 2015 13: 14 New
      +1
      you are really on the site, how small children are! Take a ride on the Dalzavod in Vladivostok in Kamchatka, Sakhalin! you eat fat in the center! and we are in the Far East, - Ah ... e, howl!
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 2 December 2015 13: 29 New
        10
        Quote: atk44849
        you eat fat in the center! and we are in the Far East, - Ah ... e, howl!

        And you come to the Center and see for yourself how they’re eating, it’s not on the site, it’s like a small child, I have a lower salary, but I’m not planning to cry in a vest, my children work and get much less than you and I didn’t hear such a whining from them, if only I would be ashamed to write such a thing, otherwise you could be snoozing, can you see here.
        1. atk44849
          atk44849 2 December 2015 13: 49 New
          -1
          were you in the Far East? Do you know what it is? how is life here? weather climate? Want to check it out ? on the Far East even the surcharge was removed and the tax was not removed. and you say ..
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 2 December 2015 13: 53 New
        +4
        I have no more, and no better, and the climate is also bad, and the communal apartment with this year will raise. So what..? What do you suggest ..? Maidan ..? It will be even smaller and worse. Do you want to send a resume to some Air-Bas factory, maybe they will, they will pay more, probably ... Or do you see a way out in the war ..? No, you will work without zp for food ... What kind of tantrums in general?
        1. atk44849
          atk44849 2 December 2015 15: 20 New
          0
          well, plow it! I went to the taiga! - enjoy life!
      3. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 2 December 2015 16: 23 New
        0
        Quote: atk44849
        you are really on the site, how small children are! Take a ride on the Dalzavod in Vladivostok in Kamchatka, Sakhalin! you eat fat in the center! and we are in the Far East, - Ah ... e, howl!

        I confirm by the information received.
  2. cniza
    cniza 2 December 2015 12: 32 New
    +3
    “They (the Russian Federation) are wrong. They (new missiles) do not have the same capabilities in the fire control system as on the Tomahawk or on warships, ”said McKeon.


    That’s all the reasons.
  3. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 2 December 2015 12: 32 New
    +3
    Double standards live and prosper.
  4. Abakan
    Abakan 2 December 2015 12: 32 New
    +2
    I always say))) they are full of cyborgs))) like all geyuropa wassat all perforated
  5. gop
    gop 2 December 2015 12: 32 New
    0
    Russia is awkward)) in said)))
  6. prabiz
    prabiz 2 December 2015 12: 33 New
    +6
    I can’t stop wondering at their impudence - They don’t fall on missile defense, but everything falls into our place!
    They should probably get at least once in one place!
    1. Abrekkos
      Abrekkos 2 December 2015 12: 49 New
      +1
      Why does everything fall for us. They are not against our A-135 and A-235.
      Another thing is that their missiles are technically much more flexible.

      They tell us if you want to do the same as ours. If you can ...

      So this is not impudence but deceit.
      But you are right the impudence will be ahead.
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  7. vladimirw
    vladimirw 2 December 2015 12: 33 New
    +3
    Pind .. sys once again strive insolently to gain benefits for themselves.
  8. GUKTU
    GUKTU 2 December 2015 12: 35 New
    +6
    Our politicians need not whine, but rather take measures to increase the pace of production and the creation of new missiles, which also "do not fall under the INF." The Americans will not go back down; it is useless to persuade them. In the event of a war, the Russian Federation will be alone against NATO, only perfect weapons will protect us, and maybe save us.
    1. Aroma77
      Aroma77 2 December 2015 12: 41 New
      +1
      And nobody whines, everyone understands this very well. Putin has been speaking openly for more than a year. The whole question is for the bureaucracy, it is necessary to think there so as not to create obstacles in the form of corruption, because money in the next world is not needed. But apparently only the grave will correct the hunchback!
      And the rearmament plan is up to 2020 and, believe me, it is very strictly monitored!
    2. Abrekkos
      Abrekkos 2 December 2015 12: 45 New
      +3
      It is of course you are right. It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick.
      Yes, only soon the fairy tale affects and not soon the thing is done.
      While the programs are cutting. But not so critical. Wisely of course. And of course we don’t have to compete with them directly. Nevertheless, we ourselves are half as much and our economy is 10 times less. This was not even the USSR.


      So the duplex competition of armor and projectile continues.
      One must be realistic. Only realists are winners!
    3. Gani
      Gani 2 December 2015 12: 52 New
      0
      The hope is that the calibers are stamped very quickly and containers with club calibers are placed on every second bulk carrier, river barge and ship on the reservoirs at the hydroelectric power station.
      1. S_last
        S_last 2 December 2015 16: 15 New
        0
        I do not think that they will be stamped a lot. Cruise missile, an expensive, complex weapon. Americans today have about 4000 tomahawks in various modifications and forms of basing. And they spank them a decent number of years. And the specifics of the use of this weapon is that. Of course, no one will say how much the rocket costs, well, you can figure out what they sold to India. There came out at 6,5 million dollars per unit, but I think that it costs several times cheaper for the domestic market. But it still seems an expensive pleasure to deliver 200 kilograms of explosives to Syrian sands.
  9. Denis DV
    Denis DV 2 December 2015 12: 36 New
    0
    This means the caliber green street soldier
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2015 12: 37 New
    +1
    All according to the laws of the American genre. What is due to Jupiter is not allowed to the Bull. That's just Jupiter has already left the orbit of simple reason.
  11. GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 2 December 2015 12: 38 New
    0
    new missiles for missile defense system do not fall under the INF Treaty
    Do you get any goals? And somehow you feel sorry ...
  12. smith7
    smith7 2 December 2015 12: 38 New
    0
    Hit, miss ... The phrase "new missiles ... miss ..." is taken out of context. There is no reference data for objective analysis. Usually this is the target informational “stuffing”. For what purpose did they "give" us here?
  13. beer-youk
    beer-youk 2 December 2015 12: 43 New
    0
    “They (the Russian Federation) are wrong. They (new missiles) do not have the same capabilities in the fire control system as on the Tomahawk or on warships, ”said McKeon.

    Hey Democrats! No need to sing war songs and keep us fools!
  14. Victor-M
    Victor-M 2 December 2015 12: 43 New
    +1
    During the meeting of the congressional committee on foreign affairs, McKeon said that Russia is concerned about US plans to deploy launchers in Poland and Romania

    Russia is not worried, it is concentrated, but the West needs to worry about its future.
  15. AlexTires
    AlexTires 2 December 2015 12: 43 New
    0
    They just forgot that other countries of the world, including European ones, can still have such missiles in service. Then Gorbi waved everything that pin.dos would point a finger at, and thanks to this "treaty" (read Gorbachev), Russia was left without missiles, and NATO with European missiles (without American, but there are plenty more). Naturally, the PSDs are not happy with anyone who doubts.
  16. serverny
    serverny 2 December 2015 12: 44 New
    0
    An excellent example of psaking - first they install universal launchers on land, capable of launching tomahawks according to specifications, and then make a statement "Nenen, specifically these plants have forgotten how to launch KR".
  17. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 2 December 2015 12: 45 New
    0
    They only negotiate if we have a significant advantage-- draw conclusions
  18. izya top
    izya top 2 December 2015 12: 45 New
    +1
    Yes, the Yankees in general do not fall under any contracts. Exceptional request
    I wonder if they themselves don’t hear their lies? After all, not all the leaders have gone wrong ...
  19. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 2 December 2015 12: 49 New
    0
    just an answer to the "caliber", quite expected.
    1. Abrekkos
      Abrekkos 2 December 2015 12: 52 New
      0
      You will be surprised, but they answered the Caliber more than 20 years ago.

      These missiles will not even look at the caliber. High flight birds.
  20. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 2 December 2015 12: 50 New
    0
    No wonder the United States will now install anything, anytime, anywhere.
    Despite the "concern of Russia."
    And if any rocket flies at us, then in Russia they will say - "an unfriendly act."
    Apparently, Americans are very shamed by this.
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  22. Gunther
    Gunther 2 December 2015 12: 50 New
    0
    “They (the Russian Federation) are wrong. They (new missiles) do not have the same capabilities in the fire control system as on the Tomahawk or on warships, ”said McKeon.

    Well, who would doubt it - this is a completely different matter.
    It is useless to argue with the two-faced Yankees, it is necessary to answer "asymmetrically", the project "Canyon", etc.
    1. andj61
      andj61 2 December 2015 13: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Gunter
      They (the Russian Federation) are wrong. They (new missiles) do not have the same capabilities in the fire control system as on the Tomahawk or on warships, ”said McKeon.
      Well, whoever doubts - this is a completely different matter.

      That's right - this is their position. And ours should be like this: what if we put a warhead on commercial missiles in this megaton? And then why the hell fire control systems like axes?
      1. Abrekkos
        Abrekkos 2 December 2015 13: 42 New
        0
        Do you know how much such a warhead weighs?
        And how much will such a rocket weigh?
        And how much does it cost?
        And then can she ever get anywhere except on her own?
        And the fact that the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere decrease in proportion to the cube of distance?
        And the fact that the first rocket will blind its own missile defense? Or do you design missile defense on an enemy with 1-3 nuclear missiles.
        And how much does it cost to maintain the combat readiness of a nuclear warhead? I mean how many hundred times more than usual?

        I have eaten up with YBCh. Enough. Already by all means we are moving away from this.
        1. S_last
          S_last 2 December 2015 16: 20 New
          0
          It is impossible to defeat blind faith with clever questions, and even based on a complete lack of knowledge of the issue.
  23. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 2 December 2015 12: 54 New
    0
    The SM-3 launcher will be placed on land and the INF Treaty can be removed in a dusty archive.
  24. Anton071
    Anton071 2 December 2015 12: 58 New
    0
    America is breaking the show !!!
    We love the TRUTH !!!
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 December 2015 13: 04 New
    0
    Our concern should (and is) be expressed in laying another RTO
    in response to installing another launcher with US missile defense.
    That is, to be honest. They are a rocket and we are a rocket (and not one).
  26. dison
    dison 2 December 2015 13: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: atk44849
    Are you on the site so correct? and such a life got me! for 28 rubles to raise the defense industry! do not know ? - so be quiet! and the site has become like a kindergarten! get back to reality!

    And what whiners take in a dash?
  27. lopvlad
    lopvlad 2 December 2015 13: 18 New
    +1
    It is necessary to impose sanctions against the United States for violating the INF Treaty, terminate the contract for the supply of rocket engines in the United States, terminate GPS ground stations in Russia, terminate the contract for the delivery of Americans to the ISS.
  28. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 2 December 2015 13: 23 New
    0
    Quote: dison
    And what whiners take in a dash?

    So take and work for the salary of an engineer, in almost any defense enterprise, wise guy.
    1. dison
      dison 2 December 2015 18: 38 New
      0
      I have even less snp now and what am I now to cry too to start?
  29. Foxbed
    Foxbed 2 December 2015 13: 32 New
    +1
    FROM:Pentagon: new missiles for the missile defense system under the INF Treaty are not covered
    from: The State Department saw banned missiles in Russia and threatened with “measures”

    The conclusion is simple: "What is permitted to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull ..."
    “But don’t we aim at William Shakespeare ummm ???” - Something has been “forbidden” to us lately, “not recommended,” “not advised,” and yes, “forbidden.” IMHO: RUSSIA must do EVERYTHING and even more so as not to lose defense capability. Otherwise, they will divide us as Yugoslavia (and the USSR too) and appoint their princes of local scale and the necessary loyalty. Ah, what a pity the Brezhnev era of the USSR. Then we really could and did. And now "indecent" steal a lot. And after not diplomatically amnesty ....
    PS: Significant news for today: In Germany, for the first time since World War II, Mine Kampf will be published
    Adolph Hitler’s political manifesto Mine Campf with critical notes from scientists will be published in Germany for the first time since the end of World War II, the BBC reports on Wednesday.

    TASS
    10:41
    Stoltenberg: NATO invited Montenegro to the alliance
    “A winning combination” In early June, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, after meeting with the Prime Minister of Montenegro, declared that the country's membership in the North Atlantic Alliance is a “winning combination for Montenegro.”
  30. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 2 December 2015 13: 47 New
    0
    Yes, all these contracts are not worth paper; they are held together only by force and fear.
    It applies only to ground, excellent: dig a pond 10 by 10 meters, half a meter down and put a raft with missiles there, excuse me, shallow-based!
  31. linadherent
    linadherent 2 December 2015 13: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: atk44849
    Dear!, I do not see anything good! who will build the ships !? silicone generation? no specialists no engineers, I sn 28 rubles! who will go to work? we last stayed !!! and all !!! catch ... and that's it !!! and I want to go to the village and live in the taiga. take-all!

    Ai-wai, as everything is bad now, earlier the grass was greener and the sky bluer and the sun was shining brighter and the girls were prettier and sugar was sweeter ... lol I heard something like this in my youth from my grandmother, then laughed, but you see, my generation also lived, just started singing ... Dear, having a silicone profession, you get 18 rubles, as the head of the department, ordinary IT people get 15 rubles. So in vain you are complaining, I just don’t understand you and I’m unlikely to understand you in the near future (well, until I get 28 rubles.) laughing By the way, I know people who get 8 rubles a month and live and don’t complain about anything ... You know, Russia still doesn’t rely on us and you, but on those poor people who get 8 rubles and come to work and work every day, for these pennies !!! hi
  32. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 2 December 2015 14: 23 New
    +1
    The Yankees will comply with any contract only as long as it is beneficial to them.
  33. as75897
    as75897 2 December 2015 14: 35 New
    +1
    Pentagon: new missiles for the ABM system do not fall under the INF Treaty. SAMs of the types "Topol-M", "Ash", "Mace", etc.
    able to “land” the aircraft and the ASA of the likely enemy, not only at the take-off, launch or storage points, but also at the assembly stage.
  34. Tektor
    Tektor 2 December 2015 14: 45 New
    0
    Please note: I did not say that ... (c). And here comes the conclusion: any system that can be used against other missiles should be considered a "missile defense system." For example, Iskander. He can destroy other missiles if they are on the launcher.!. It remains only to Iskander to bring down something flying
  35. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 2 December 2015 15: 15 New
    0
    In short, lawlessness has long gone into rocket technology. America does not observe anything, hides everything and lies, and it seems that we are also forced to make missiles that fall under treaties and that do not fall. Otherwise, you can pay the country for your honesty. Yes, and the fastest time has gone such a thing, it may be in vain that Russia destroyed its chemical weapons? Indeed, NATO is becoming impudent every day, and we need to defend ourselves with something! Missiles and soldiers may be few ..
  36. Sergey333
    Sergey333 2 December 2015 18: 19 New
    0
    Quote: OlegLex
    It is already coming, and thank God not on our territory.

    Not on ours ??? Then why did the majority of the population in Russia suddenly become poorer than they were before more than 2 times relative to foreign countries ???!
  37. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2015 19: 48 New
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    Quote: Gani
    The hope is that the calibers are stamped very quickly and containers with club calibers are placed on every second bulk carrier, river barge and ship on the reservoirs at the hydroelectric power station.

    Stop fantasizing. Stamping faster and faster ... But why is the interval between two launches from the Caspian 5 weeks? That the goals first disappeared and then appeared. Yes, and in the first case 26, and in the second 18. Or is it cheaper to drive strategists ??? In order to stamp more and more, industry must work, and not just oil and gas. Any product is a cooperation of dozens, and sometimes hundreds of factories. And by a wave of the hand (or magic wand) they will not build up instantly. Look at the Votkinsk plant. For a year or two, an increase of 10 missiles

    Quote: dchegrinec
    In short, lawlessness has long gone into rocket technology. America doesn’t observe anything, hides everything and lies, and it seems we are also forced to make missiles that fall under treaties and that don’t fall


    It is precisely the strategic arms treaties that the Americans are complying with. What can she hide? Minuteman 4 or Trident E-6, which are not yet? And we? Non-deployed Frontier or equally non-deployed Vanguard, Sarmat, Barguzin?

    Quote: Tektor
    Please note: I did not say that ... (c). And here comes the conclusion: any system that can be used against other missiles should be considered a "missile defense system." For example, Iskander. He can destroy other missiles if they are on the launcher.!. It remains only to Iskander to bring down something flying

    You can continue to come up with your own version of the wording. Google to help you to increase the level of knowledge that there are missile defense. You learn a lot of interesting things by reading the texts of the contracts (boring of course, but informative. Especially if not only the texts of the contracts, but also the accompanying documents. And all the salt is in them ...

    Quote: as75897
    Pentagon: new missiles for the ABM system do not fall under the INF Treaty. SAMs of the types "Topol-M", "Ash", "Mace", etc.
    able to “land” the aircraft and the ASA of the likely enemy, not only at the take-off, launch or storage points, but also at the assembly stage.

    Well ernichat about air defense systems "Topol" and others can be a long time, as well as about air defense systems "Minuteman" and "Trident". But the funny thing is that in spite of all our fabrications, it is true that their missiles can be equipped with nuclear warheads and turned into shock missiles (who cares with such parameters) from a missile defense REALLY DO NOT FALL FOR THE INF Treaty. You can say thanks to Mikhail Sergeyevich and his associates for this. Alive and gone
  38. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2015 19: 57 New
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    Quote: lopvlad
    It is necessary to impose sanctions against the United States for violating the INF Treaty, terminate the contract for the supply of rocket engines in the United States, terminate GPS ground stations in Russia, terminate the contract for the delivery of Americans to the ISS.

    Clever you are our strategist, I would say. The supply contract has almost been completed, so what can be terminated. Or is there an insatiable desire to return the grandmother to the Americans and with high interest for breaking the contract ??? Thanks to this contract, our factory was not multiplied by zero as the rest. It was possible to preserve not only ultra-precise and modern production, but also unique personnel. Terminating delivery contracts is easy. It remains only to return the Americans several hundred million bucks and be content with an unmanned program, since almost all launches to the ISS Soyuz and Progress were paid by the Americans. It’s easy. You can even in revenge to separate our segment from theirs. And stay with that old communication technique that was 20 years ago. Read for a change the diaries of our astronauts who worked on the ISS.

    GPS stations ... And there are many of them in our territory. And does our GLONASS system, which EMNIP still has brought up to its nominal strength, give the same accuracy?
    All this is called "spite grandmother frostbitten ears"
  39. proletarian
    proletarian 3 December 2015 00: 04 New
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    therefore, the Americans began deploying missile defense with the installation of anti-ballistic missiles on ships in the Atlantic zone.
    Duc I did not understand, but why did they not please the “Caliber” with the “Iskander” then?
  40. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 3 December 2015 01: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Sergey S.
    Quote: Abrekkos In general, nothing to complain about. Key people get paid on contract and very well.
    The complete contradiction.
    If the second phrase is true, then, as practice shows, only managers and managers can be subscribed to the first, who turn out to be “key” ...


    Yes, there is no contradiction read above.

    Just the defense industry is terribly stratified. In the 90s and 2000s. First, they threw everything except the strategic nuclear forces (missile) and those who sold abroad (aircraft).
    We also had something to sell, and even very, but they were not allowed. So there were two options or goes into business. And there was where. Or in the strategic nuclear forces. For example, I went to the rocketeers but sadly there hopelessly and therefore later into the business.

    As a result, where people had where to go, everything fell apart. Before the Yugoslav war itself, ofigel came to their senses. And in a number of areas, then nobody! But NATO will take it by the throat.

    Then those who left began to increase, they say, come back at least for a month. Any money. Well, the conscience was crushed. Actually, this is for air defense and explosives. But it was only for a short time to explain, learn, convey ...

    Yugoslavia corrected the brain that the plane itself does not fight and does not take invisible air defense. They realized they poured money, but decided that they would pick up young people - it’s cheaper.

    When by the end of 2006-2008 they realized (Ssakashvilli also helped) that young people would do nothing in a vacuum. In the experience.
    Well, the rocket is not a tank or a ship; it’s just something wrong with it - it plows the earth and the point! When a product at the price of a yard plows the earth, it is something.
    When 4 years later they did 12 trials in 3 years and everyone thinks about everything in the ground. With such success, you can’t cut the dough. That thought the managers.

    So they began to search and who will make all this garbage fly. And since some remained (the rest are old people), they began to pull the old youth back. A manager said loot giving people I will return. And there is no steering further as taxied.

    And they began to offer individuals to pay for contracts with indexes not lower than inflation and not on the tariff scale and contracts for 10 years. Otherwise, what for you need to return from business. Well, press on conscience.

    But it was very pointy mainly in high-tech. Where the Soviet groundwork was not more precise, it had to be completely redone in view of the revolution in the element base, mat. methods and materials.

    And the same ship, what is he? He will swim in every way. Here you can saw and saw, stuffing it with good 30-40 years ago and attaching beautiful cameras and screens. And what he is not fit to fight with a modern enemy is that during the war it only becomes clear. And on TV you can show that it is suitable and best of all. Salvage defeats evil.

    And where people had nowhere to go, they did not pay. Well, where will the tankoid or ship go? industry then collapsed. the watchman? seller? They didn’t take young people there or stimulate old ones. This is where the specialists die out as a class. And it’s like you do not twist the basis of defenses.

    Here is such an oil painting from our defense industry in my humble opinion it turns out.

    Shine and poverty. Although the brilliance is dim.

    atk44849 100% wrote correctly! Soon, entire types of weapons may cease to exist as combat-ready units.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 4 December 2015 04: 31 New
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      Quote: Abrekkos
      So they began to search and who will make all this garbage fly. And since some remained (the rest are old people), they began to pull the old youth back. A manager said loot giving people I will return. And there is no steering further as taxied.

      This is not only true for the construction of new equipment, but also for the operation of the old one. This was especially phenomenal on the A-135. My familiar officers told as anecdote how they looked for ancient old men who could fix this crap and explain how to use it plainly.