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We are tormented, and we are attached?

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We are tormented, and we are attached?


We are tormented, and we are attached?


I read various materials on "VO". And little by little I had one thought. I want to bring it up for discussion. But first we will go through a quick step on the latest global events.

Ukraine and sluggish war in the Donbass

I did not accidentally separated these two concepts. Over the past few years, Ukraine has in one way or another pulled several billion dollars from Russia. These are discounts on gas, coal supply at a reduced price, and just stealing gas. The war in the Donbass forced Russia to send dozens of columns with humanitarian aid, officially and unofficially to help the militia. Anyway, this is again hundreds of thousands of dollars of spending from the reserves of the Russian Federation.

Sanctions

No matter how laughed at them and would not launch import substitution, this is again gigantic spending from reserve “pods”. The retaliatory sanctions of Russia, of course, also caused losses to the EU, but still both sides suffered damage. Who is more, who is less, it does not matter, there is damage. However, some areas remained untouched, with precisely those that are beneficial to Western capital, specifically the United States or individual entities, where there is no Russian technology. Coincidence?

Permanent stuffing misinformation

Day after day, for decades, Russia has been demonized. Unsubstantiated injections of inappropriate information, facts taken out of context, direct distortion of the same facts, ignoring or simply silencing people whose opinion is different from the line of the US State Department. This is a real war, no one even argues with this. But this is also a distraction of our resources to refute misinformation, reassure investors, these are difficulties in forming a positive image of the Russian Federation in the financial, political, and military spheres. Yes, and at the level of ordinary citizens of neighboring countries. We are really afraid. True, this fear comes from the channels, conducting, again, the line of the US State Department, but who will understand such subtleties?

Terrorist attacks

Over the past few years we have experienced many terrorist attacks. Many people died. But at least one Western country offered its assistance in the investigation? Yes, and their condolences look like something formally. But the terrorist attack in Paris was lit on all sides, and almost per second. A little earlier, the fall of our aircraft caused only a few lines in the newspapers and a couple of pages on the Internet. The last action, the disconnection of the peninsula of the Crimea from the power supply, cannot be considered as a terrorist act at all. This is a direct aggression with the connivance of the government of a neighboring country with the threat to the national security of the Russian Federation.

And again from our reserves funds and materials are allocated to remedy the situation. KamAZ trucks are driving again and planes are flying with generators, food, and fuel. Begins to build a chain, is not it?

War in Syria

Yes, I will make a reservation right away, I fully support this operation, reptiles must be crushed there so that they do not dig in here. And I am aware that finance is not the largest part of the MO budget. But we already lost there a plane and two people. This is again a loss. This is again from some reserves funds are allocated and go there. Yes, it is necessary, but still it is another link in the chain.

What tomorrow?

Question on 100500 million. What will be the handmade disaster tomorrow, in a week, in a month? What means will we have to throw at its liquidation? The chain of events with direct or indirect damage to Russia will continue as long as the West implements its plan to destroy Russia. You guessed what I mean. Every such event, catastrophe, provocation, strengthening of sanctions makes us spend our resources on their liquidation or mitigation. These are the resources that could be used to improve medicine, education, science and industry. We just do not give up. And the main director of this war of attrition is in the United States. Do I need to give examples, facts, evidence of this? They are full.

So maybe stop parrying blows? Maybe it's time to hit yourself? And even in the military strategy and full of examples when the defender won the battle, there is not a single example when he won the war.

I ask to speak on this topic. Do I draw the right conclusions? We do not take the military way, we take the starvation. So far, only financial and political. And when our resources run out or are exhausted, they will simply destroy us, as the USSR used to do. And it is unlikely that Western leaders will repeat the mistake, as with the USSR, this time there will be a “control shot”.
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  1. 24rus
    24rus 4 December 2015 10: 55
    14
    Very similar to spring 1941
    1. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 4 December 2015 10: 59
      49
      "We cannot be taken by military means, we are being starved out."
      1. andre
        andre 4 December 2015 11: 04
        +8
        It is very similar to "wanging", it is difficult to predict, everything will depend on the actions of our leadership. And in general, there is a center for strategic analysis and modeling. I think so and they have a flag in their hands !!
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 4 December 2015 11: 07
          +1
          I would like to answer the Author on the final conclusion-question-paragraph, using phrases from your own article
          Quote: Author
          These are precisely the resources that could be used to improve medicine, education, science and industry.
          If these resources are not directed to
          a handmade disaster tomorrow, in a week, in a month, ... for their liquidation or mitigation.
          then
          there will be a "control shot"
          1. sergeybulkin
            sergeybulkin 4 December 2015 11: 29
            +8
            Have I made the right conclusions? We can’t be taken by military means, they are starving us. So far, only financial and political. And when our resources run out or are exhausted, they will simply destroy us, as the USSR used to be.

            1. Well, the USSR was destroyed not "from the outside" but from the inside, there was not even a plan, just within 10-15 years after Brezhnev's death everything (absolutely everything) was stolen and everything was sold for a pittance for a hill, and the money went to foreign accounts , and as a result ... well, we all know the result.
            2. Already than, than - and by starvation laughing definitely not to take us!
            The question is 100500 million. What will be a handmade disaster tomorrow, in a week, in a month? What funds will we have to throw at its elimination?

            3. Stop whining! Get busy! fool
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 4 December 2015 12: 20
              12
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              . Stop whining! Get busy!

              Quite often this is found in the comments and articles .. Here I personally agree, only you &. tell me what else, to me, to do business ... well, it’s very interesting .. and I think it’s not for me alone that we are all busy with business besides sitting on the site - maybe you also know something unknown to us ...
            2. your1970
              your1970 4 December 2015 18: 03
              +2
              "just within 10-15 years after Brezhnev's death everything"
              For what I love paper experts, for knowledge ..... "Lavrov's words, my music" © my personally ...
              "Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev died in his sleep on the night of November 10, 1982" - after 10 years EBN has long ruled the country, and completely different country ...
        2. dr.Bo
          dr.Bo 4 December 2015 11: 49
          +1
          What will happen next - only higher powers know!
          However, Russia, and therefore all of us, withstood the first serious blows! And the country's leadership has an understanding of the situation around it. Now it is important not to succumb to the provocations of all different "bulk and co" (although, no doubt, there are problems in the country) I think something like this.
        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 4 December 2015 11: 50
          11
          Quote: andre
          .And in general, there is a center for strategic analysis and modeling. I think they’re holding a flag in their hands !!

          In some comments, truths are more than from these centers .. Well done, the author threw a subject and asked a question, and didn’t prepare a bunch of ready-made answers like some ..
          As always, there is a greater danger within the country than from the outside .. And this whole muddy liberal movement is annoying - especially when there are no spiritual bonds, absolutely. You can’t get far on Ur patriotism - it’s good in attack, but in a short-lived psycho. war
          Discussion of the message - shows that people are boiling slowly and blah blah are already not rolling ...
          And the billions of help and debts that are written off are easy and beautiful. thereby shifting onto our shoulders .. for the sake of sometimes momentary Wishlist. trying to justify high politics ..
        4. Coconut Tima
          Coconut Tima 4 December 2015 13: 35
          0
          Quote: andre
          There is a center for strategic analysis and modeling. I think they’ve got the flag in their hands too !!

          “They are tormenting us, but we are holding ourselves?” Evgeny Yanovich Satanovskiy, a Russian orientalist and economist, president of the independent research center “Institute of the Middle East” analyzed and answered: “Or a stamen to smithereens or a pestle in half!”
      2. Vend
        Vend 4 December 2015 11: 04
        10
        Over the past few years, we have experienced many terrorist attacks. Many people died. But at least one Western country offered its assistance in the investigation?
        Yes, at least one country announced solidarity? After Paris, so in the colors of France that just did not stain. And after the death of our tourists? No shares.
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 4 December 2015 11: 09
          15
          Yes, at least one country announced solidarity? After Paris, so in the colors of France that just did not stain


          ,,, so people live there belay and we are so barbarians crying wassat
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        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 4 December 2015 12: 02
          +8
          Quote: Wend
          And after the death of our tourists? No shares.

          But half of Moscow and St. Petersburg wandered with "I am Charlie" until they spat in the souls of these liberals ...
        4. nail1972
          nail1972 4 December 2015 12: 15
          +5
          Egypt painted the pyramids in our colors. Like Russians, we love you, we are in solidarity with you, just return with our grandmothers to our beaches ...
      3. aktanir
        aktanir 4 December 2015 11: 13
        +1
        the author twitches, a lot has been written about our plane in Sinai, including in the foreign press
        1. DOMINO100
          DOMINO100 4 December 2015 11: 22
          +4
          and I can confirm !!! on English channels they showed everything and people carried flowers to the embassy! Of course there was more noise about Paris. But still, not all muzzles are rotten in Britain.
        2. S-cream
          S-cream 4 December 2015 12: 26
          +2
          At the same time, the white house was not repainted in the colors of the Russian flag.
      4. s.bukhonoff
        s.bukhonoff 4 December 2015 11: 44
        +3
        Russia is ruled either by Germans or by Jews. The latter still operate ...
        1. leo3972
          leo3972 4 December 2015 13: 00
          0
          Quote: s.bukhonoff
          Russia is ruled either by Germans or by Jews. The latter still operate ...

          I did not understand the last about Putin am
      5. Proud.
        Proud. 4 December 2015 12: 50
        +3
        Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
        "We cannot be taken by military means, we are being starved out."

        "God is in heaven, Russia is on earth" (Serbian proverb)
        1. Pavel Vereshchagin
          Pavel Vereshchagin 4 December 2015 14: 15
          +2
          I know this saying and it does not contradict the statement of the Field Marshal.
      6. the monastery
        the monastery 4 December 2015 13: 56
        +1
        the country is methodically led to war. This article specifically suggests banging.
        but all the same, there will be a slaughter with the Turks for they are now sharing the world! but people are simply informed that they hinted that there will be a war!
      7. g1v2
        g1v2 4 December 2015 14: 02
        +2
        It has long been clear to the West that we cannot cope with an external blow. It did not work out among the Poles, Germans, French, Swedes and, in general, the entire combined power of the West. Only ourselves can defeat us and this is a fact. Feudal fragmentation as a result of which crushed Rus was crushed from the east. The time of troubles, when the Swedes and Poles squeezed land from us, and the Poles captured the Kremlin. The year 1917, when the Russian empire collapsed as a result of the February coup and everything that followed. 1954, WHEN AFTER THE DEATH OF STALIN, Khrushchev arranged a coup and seized power by directing the USSR to decay and death. 1991-92, when, using the putsch, Yeltsin with the help of the West destroyed the union, the consequences of which we still feel and will continue to feel for a long time. 2 Maidan in Ukraine, which is the same part of us as any region of the Russian Federation. ALL THESE WE DID FOR YOURSELF! Yes, the West actively pitted us and whispered, provided assistance to the warring parties, even helped them with troops and advisers. But the result was one and the slogans were always the brightest. Fortunately, I don’t know what it is for us, but it seems that God really loves us and sooner or later a smart and tough guy came in who again gathered us into a single state and gave a push that lasted for a generation or two. Ivan the Terrible, Petr1, Stalin, Putin, Ivan Kalita - all the time there is someone who gives everyone an ear and restores the country, after which it becomes even stronger. And the enemy does not come up with anything new to destroy the country. Salt riots, copper riot, revolution, the collapse of the union. Everywhere the same slogans are the same - we are in poverty here, and the government is living, it’s enough to feed the outskirts, the Caucasus, the Jews, the Chukchi, Central Asia, etc., plus the active removal of elites for the feeding trough. And voila - there is no dangerous Russia for a generation, instead of fighting with competitors for living space, it is trying not to disappear. May be enough? To raise Russia, one should not tear at throat rallies, but work 16 hours a day with one day off, like Southeast Asia. Then it’s very fast - in just 20 years, and this is VERY quickly the Russian Federation will sharply become stronger and will enter the top three in the economy. Do not want 16 hours a day with one day off? It means that it will be much slower, but now the sharp increase in Russia in comparison with the 90s is not in doubt for anyone - neither here nor abroad. Will the enemy intrigue us? Well, then he is the enemy. But if we do not fight among ourselves and shoot our country in the back, then every year it will become stronger. If you are interested in the dates, I can name 2 dates - 2018 and 2020. In 2020, the first five-year period will end and it will be possible to summarize, but already in 2018, AT MY APPLICATIONS BASED ON ACCESSIBLE INFA, the gain will become obvious - both in the economy and in the army. hi
        1. oleg46
          oleg46 4 December 2015 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: g1v2
          Ivan the Terrible, Peter1, Stalin, Putin, Ivan Kalita

          You with the penultimate last name were not mistaken, by chance? negative
      8. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 4 December 2015 15: 31
        0
        Russia was never an aggressor, the author did not think about what the so-called retaliation would cost .... if he means the country's financial reserves and resources? In sporting terms, you can work well on a counterattack with good protection
    2. Tor5
      Tor5 4 December 2015 11: 06
      13
      I agree that there is a war going on to deplete our resources and to impoverish (and accordingly embitter) for the well-known goals of our people. Maybe the truth is, it's time to return to the brilliant idea of ​​Academician A.D. Sakharov? Let them know that driven into a corner, which has nothing to lose, they will be dragged behind them, well-fed and arrogant?
    3. max702
      max702 4 December 2015 11: 31
      11
      Everything goes according to plan! According to the plan of the puppeteers of the world capital .. WHILE we didn’t do anything that could help us move away from these plans, everything that happened (Crimea. LDNR, 08.08.08, import substitution) was a little bounce! The only thing where there is progress is the ARMY! And then everything is going extremely slowly, the supply of 2-3 airplanes and helicopters per month to the troops is very small in light of current events, the massive postponement of the timing of the adoption and acquisition of troops with new generation equipment, import substitution only in WORDS (changing the supplier's country), the lack of will to change the treacherous laws of the 90s, absolute sabotage in the economy, failure in ideological work, unwillingness to fight corruption (ay Vasilyeva, Serdyukov) and much more that pours water on the enemy's mill .. Yes, apparently our managing "elite" has disagreements with MK, but all this is bargaining when concluding a contract .. Decisive action is not visible, but you can see the beating of future preferences for your loved ones .. I don’t know, many will probably say this is like a plan like this, slowly and not noticeably reform the country, but you need to understand from that side not fools are sitting in these games too the experience is enormous! And if everything continues, then everything is going according to plan ..
      1. cap
        cap 4 December 2015 14: 00
        0
        Max 702 +++
        I agree with you on all 100. hi
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 4 December 2015 12: 05
      +5
      I agree with the author of the article, but as for "... it's time to hit yourself ..", then no. As a result of all these events - Crimea, the war in Donbass, Syria were damaged not only by the state, and even not so much by the state as by us - the people. And there is no need to talk about patriotism and so on. All patriotism ends when you walk into a store or receive a utility bill. This is where emotions begin. If before these events you came to the store with five hundred rubles and left with a daily set of products, now, perhaps, a thousand is not enough. This is one thing. And tell me that I'm wrong. What can be tolerated. How many ? A year, two, eternity? Man is mortal and wants to receive the benefits of civilization now and here, in the afterlife, they are not needed. Life is getting worse and worse every day (I don't take Moscow, here the crisis is not noticeable, judging by the Moscow news). Zamkadovskaya Russia began to live worse. Factories whose products were focused on Ukraine do not work, but twitch in search of new customers. And while they are twitching, there are delays in wages, a decrease thereof. Moreover, some enterprises or certain sectors of these enterprises began to close, and people, respectively, to the street. A job, good and highly paid, is difficult to find. Hence the well-being of some people fell below the plinus. And here the state throws up, then stops raising pensions for working pensioners, then the increase of public servants, then something else. So - you will not be full of patriotism, and it is necessary to stop the hap-handed theories.
    5. Hardy
      Hardy 4 December 2015 12: 32
      +3
      Quote: 24rus
      Very similar to spring 1941

      Before the 41st year, they imposed much greater sanctions on us. But the country at the same time developed at the fastest pace in the world, having turned in 15 years into a superpower with an invincible army and highly developed industry.
      1. pensir
        pensir 4 December 2015 12: 47
        +8
        Do not confuse the USSR and today's Russia. Then the people had a national idea to rebuild the country, there were no oligarchs and other rubbish. And now what's going on, there is no national idea, the country is ruled by oligarchs and the other 5th column.
    6. Vikings
      Vikings 4 December 2015 12: 52
      +3
      Very similar to what is really happening! Us battle
      tsya! I know by hearsay, because I live in Western
      Europe! And from the conversations with the local inhabitants I conclude!
      Beno is the older generation. Thanks to Nuclear Shield which
      he inherited from the Great Country!
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 4 December 2015 13: 53
        +2
        Quote: Vikings
        And from the conversations with the local inhabitants I conclude!
        Beno is the older generation. Thanks to Nuclear Shield which
        he inherited from the Great Country!

        It turns out - especially proud of that and nothing ..
  2. ILIA
    ILIA 4 December 2015 10: 57
    12
    Judging by how the USSR was liquidated, this is enough.
    Take the example of the gentlemen ... Angles for several centuries clicked their foreheads the whole world .. learn it can be used for us)
    1. varov14
      varov14 4 December 2015 11: 20
      +9
      Precisely, one does not need to glow with an all-encompassing love of God to anyone, pragmatism and nothing more. Inspiring us with some obscure high spirituality, the authorities simply at our expense strive to receive international preferences for themselves.
      1. mervino2007
        mervino2007 4 December 2015 14: 36
        0
        Quote: varov14
        Inspiring us with some obscure high spirituality, the authorities simply at our expense strive to receive international preferences for themselves.

        Only spirituality, observance of its principles will allow us to survive and win. Sorry - not soon.
  3. Denis DV
    Denis DV 4 December 2015 10: 57
    10
    And although the military strategy is full of examples when the defender won the battle, there is not a single example when he won the war.


    Well, you grabbed it, and World War II is not an example? And these are the most famous cases, several dozen more will be typed.
    1. BilliBoms09
      BilliBoms09 4 December 2015 11: 21
      +4

      Well, you grabbed it, and World War II is not an example? And these are the most famous cases, several dozen more will be typed.
      Then they attacked!
      1. Denis DV
        Denis DV 4 December 2015 11: 30
        +3
        Quote: BilliBoms09
        Then they attacked!

        "Dark forest and three bears ..." laughing Round with square confuse laughing
        They threw the adversary, and finished off in the den, this is so, if simplified wink
        1. BilliBoms09
          BilliBoms09 4 December 2015 17: 25
          +1
          They threw the adversary, and finished off in the den, this is so, if you simplify wink
          You are greatly simplifying, you took it by the scruff of the neck and threw it out like a kitten, but you heard about the so-called "Seven Strikes of Stalin"! These were strategic offensive operations.
          1. Denis DV
            Denis DV 4 December 2015 18: 31
            0
            I heard that the article deals with the first blow. The defending side of the USSR did not strike the first blow and won the war. What is unclear? And here to see prices "we were advancing"? The fact that the defending side conducts offensive operations in a war does not make it a party that unleashed the war!
            1. BilliBoms09
              BilliBoms09 4 December 2015 19: 19
              0
              I heard, only in the article we are talking about the first blow
              Sorry, but in my opinion you did not carefully read the article. The author had the introduction that enough is enough to defend themselves in the so-called hybrid war and it's time to go on the offensive.
              1. Denis DV
                Denis DV 5 December 2015 03: 36
                0
                My commentary concerned a specific expression, and, not in terms of meaning, did not deny the adoption of the cotrmer in the war unleashed against us.
          2. your1970
            your1970 6 December 2015 13: 34
            0
            About the kitten, you are very bent, this kitten in recent days near Balaton drank a lot of blood ...
            Think when you speak fool fool
      2. 34 region
        34 region 4 December 2015 11: 32
        +2
        An offensive requires developed science and industry. A country with a lower technological level will never be a winner. NEVER. It's not about conquest. The thing is ruin. A good example of Afghanistan. Is there a powerful industry? And there will be none. To be rich, you need to make others poor.
        1. Denis DV
          Denis DV 4 December 2015 11: 40
          +2
          Quote: Region 34
          A country with a lower technological level will never be a winner. NEVER.

          Vietnam vs USA, Fascist Germany vs CCCP - proved the opposite hi
          1. 34 region
            34 region 4 December 2015 12: 24
            +4
            The Union helped Vietnam. Hitler financial international. But Cuba and the DPRK after the collapse of the Union, it seems nobody. hi
            1. Denis DV
              Denis DV 4 December 2015 14: 54
              +1
              Quote: Region 34
              . But Cuba and the DPRK after the collapse of the Union, it seems nobody.


              And ... Cuba and the DPRK are alive and well))) As we can see, the technological state of the country cannot be a decisive factor for an attack or loss of a "lagging" country. For NATO and its predecessors, the decisive factor for aggression is the lack of desire and ability to resist on the target.
              1. max702
                max702 4 December 2015 17: 09
                +2
                Quote: Denis DV
                And ... Cuba and the DPRK are alive and well)

                There is no point in fighting against them! They represent neither value nor threat to the world behind the scenes! They will be squeezed by other methods, for example, Cuba is already being bought (removal of sanctions, establishment of diplomatic relations) Fidel will leave and that's it, the local "elite" will sell everything with giblets, they are not the first to be a country of casinos + brothels. In the DPRK, too, it is not quite smooth, everything goes to the fact that the old scheme "jeans and chewing gum" will work that way in 10-15 years .. we have been falling apart for 70 years, and the DPRK will be bought by this time ..
                1. Denis DV
                  Denis DV 4 December 2015 18: 04
                  0
                  Quote: max702
                  There is no point in fighting against them!

                  You're not right! For the world behind the scenes there is the same number of meanings as in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. It breaks where it is thin, the will to resist is suppressed in countries, after which they are attacked. All of the above are just methods of suppressing the will to resist (they missed a lot). Let me remind you of the Bay of Pigs, and in Korea, the United States did not shine.
          2. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 4 December 2015 21: 52
            0
            In general, Vietnam sponsored the USSR, and the USSR received help from half the world during the Great Patriotic War
            1. Denis DV
              Denis DV 5 December 2015 03: 17
              0
              In fact, without the will to resist, no amount of help will help. Iraq was pumped up with Soviet technology and military specialists, but the lack of resistance sealed its fate. A recent example: Ukraine with 100% support from the EU and the US, the latter eats up without salt, loses to the militia. And about the "help" of the USSR, you can not stutter - everything was paid for)))
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    1. ILIA
      ILIA 4 December 2015 11: 01
      +4
      Everyone has long known why it exists) And it will exist ... it doesn’t guarantee the comfort of its citizens, it didn’t and will not guarantee ...
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 4 December 2015 10: 58
    +7
    And when they didn’t crush us ?! Remember at least a very epoch! We always were like an eyesore! All the peoples who attacked us and cannot be counted! Varangians, Polovtsy, Pechenegs, Mongols, Poles and others! And everyone tried to enslave us and to cash in at the expense of the riches of the Russian land! And mind you, ALL got a hat! No wonder Alexander Nevsky said the legendary words-Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword !!
    1. DOMINO100
      DOMINO100 4 December 2015 11: 26
      +2
      the Vikings are almost their own. Polovtsy are our Central Asia, the Pechenegs are practically the North Caucasus and Cossacks, there were no Mongols, the Poles are scum, of course, but they are the closest to the Russians at the genetic level! it would be better if the Germans wrote the French Swedes ....
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 December 2015 11: 33
      +1
      Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword !!
      Whoever comes to us with the dollar will kill us with the dollar.
  6. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 4 December 2015 10: 59
    10
    What will be a handmade disaster tomorrow, in a week, in a month?

    Feel free to add to the list the pressure on our athletes, the frequent ban on entry abroad for all sorts of cultural and scientific events, etc.
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 4 December 2015 11: 44
      +1
      The World Cup 2018 will almost certainly be transferred to another country ... I agree with the conclusion that they are strangling us.

      But. The Cold War was much more pressurized and isolated.

      But. The author clearly exaggerates.

      We cannot be the first to start a war, but we must do a couple of pointless merciless strikes.
  7. venaya
    venaya 4 December 2015 11: 01
    +3
    And although the military strategy is full of examples when the defender won the battle, there is not a single example when he won the war.

    I support this position, with one caveat: It is necessary to involve as many participants in this action as possible, there are potentially a lot of them, this must be taken into account. We cannot do it alone.
    1. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 4 December 2015 11: 15
      10
      N-yes .... Still relying on someone? Already not even funny.
      Russia has no friends. They are afraid of our vastness. We have only two reliable friends: the Russian army and the Russian fleet!
  8. Vanya Ivanov
    Vanya Ivanov 4 December 2015 11: 01
    +7
    We must take this situation for granted and continue building our country.
    1. varov14
      varov14 4 December 2015 11: 33
      0
      You just do not need to transform the idea of ​​justice into some highly moral spirituality, which, in fact, is a bluff and evil and to build relations with states is not at our expense.
  9. Ivan Pupkin
    Ivan Pupkin 4 December 2015 11: 01
    16 th
    I ask you to speak on this topic.
    and that in the State Department their thoughts ended, that they came to us for advice / statement?
    filthy little article, slippery some kind and more red-handed.
  10. ksv36
    ksv36 4 December 2015 11: 01
    +6
    We are no strangers. If only the "Pepsi generation" did not disappoint.
  11. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 4 December 2015 11: 02
    +3
    Yes, a flock of jackals always jumps around Russia, it was and will be and never will be allies. Because we are Dews, we were always afraid, afraid and will be afraid.
  12. Flinky
    Flinky 4 December 2015 11: 02
    -1
    Sokolinsky, how old are you? We survived the 90s, we can’t even be starved. I went to hell.
  13. kagorta
    kagorta 4 December 2015 11: 02
    +7
    There are plenty of examples that the defender won the war. From ancient Greece to the USSR. The results of these victories are extremely expensive for the winners.
  14. sherman1506
    sherman1506 4 December 2015 11: 02
    +1
    Money cannot be spared on the country's security.
    We did not start this war, but we must defeat with little blood. And judging by world news, we launched a counter-offensive. Therefore, it is necessary to endure the inconvenience. Although I don’t notice something especially in need, especially compared to 90, when the whole west was pleased with us.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 December 2015 11: 37
      +6
      Money cannot be spared on the country's security.
      I agree, but security is not only the army and navy. These are healthy people. These are educated people. This is a nation that preserves its culture and traditions.
      1. sherman1506
        sherman1506 4 December 2015 12: 21
        0
        And what are you not happy with?
        Are you not being treated or increased in sports facilities?
        Education not getting? The quality of education is a problematic issue, but there are parents who need to explain what is good and what is bad.
        And our culture and traditions are the richest.
    2. mervino2007
      mervino2007 4 December 2015 14: 45
      +2
      Quote: sherman1506
      Therefore, it is necessary to endure the inconvenience.

      And the elite, the oligarchs? The cut continues. Fighting with him (productive) is not visible. Without reducing the level of corruption, we will not achieve growth.
      1. sherman1506
        sherman1506 4 December 2015 15: 50
        0
        Do not read the liberal press. Try to think it over yourself.
  15. 17085
    17085 4 December 2015 11: 02
    -1
    "INTRIGUES, SCANDALS, INVESTIGATIONS ...."

    Yes ... let's speculate ...
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 4 December 2015 11: 34
      +5
      Do not be angry with your comrade, his nerves simply cannot withstand the pressure of information. In the 90s, there was a deep, hopeless uh ... hole all around, but they did not drip on the brains, it was transferred. And now only from the iron they do not broadcast information bites from all sides. The main thing is that the authorities would not have been pissed off, they would not have begun to "hysteria" Every problem has at least one beautiful, simple, lying on the surface wrong solution. They are especially prone to commanders and leaders who are weary of a long period of trifling but numerous threats coming in at the same time. This is how entire corporations fall apart: it's called a "managed crisis." In the place of our Western partners, I would not flirt with fire especially. To arrange terrible and completely anonymous troubles for ANY country of the world in our time is not a problem. It's not even very expensive. There will be no time for Ukraine.
      1. sherman1506
        sherman1506 4 December 2015 12: 31
        +3
        I beg you, something, but you won't get hysterics from our authorities. And the Western "partners", I think, will soon really become partners.
        1. Azitral
          Azitral 5 December 2015 02: 14
          +1
          But mine is interested in a technical question: I write all the time from Ulyanovsk, this is true, but the flag is either English or now (today) in general.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 5 December 2015 02: 22
            0
            Quote: Azitral
            But mine is interested in a technical question: I write all the time from Ulyanovsk, this is true, but the flag is English, then (today) in general Yusovsky

            YYYYYYY laughing laughing laughing

            Similar garbage, Moscow region The flag is either US or Iceland for some reason ..

            And I also look, there are a lot of people with red flags here - this is the mona in the profile to set. Campaign, not only you (and me) have this problem request
  16. andre
    andre 4 December 2015 11: 03
    -1
    It is very similar to "wanging", it is difficult to predict, everything will depend on the actions of our leadership. And in general, there is a center for strategic analysis and modeling. I think so and they have a flag in their hands !!
    1. cap
      cap 4 December 2015 14: 21
      0
      The analyzes of this center seem to have accumulated only in the medical books of the analyzers in their clinic.
      4% instead of 12% to pensioners due to lack of funds in the Pension Fund.
      Following, in Forbes, is a publication about Russia's impoverished billionaires.
      The amounts of "impoverishment" are multiples of the funds missing for the implementation of the decrees that "yesterday" should have already been fulfilled.
      This is an example of information warfare, reinforced by actions by very real defendants within the system.
      Work is underway, regardless of whether this notorious center exists or not.
      That something like this. hi
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 December 2015 11: 04
    +1
    we are starved. So far, only financial and political

    There is no doubt that they are starving. But all these attempts of a Western attack on Russia are based not only on the fact that Russia has its own opinion on statehood and the international alignment of forces, which it defends. The huge role is played by the resources (minerals) that Russia possesses and which haunt the west. As far as possible, our leadership is responding to the West with its pressure and provocations. But how to answer in such a way as to discourage encroachment on Russia without starting a war (the use of nuclear weapons) is really a question.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 4 December 2015 11: 46
      +3
      And how do we respond to the west? So far, only invitations are heard to come to our home and do everything in it for us. With our calls to the West to invest in our economy, we sign our impotence. Personally, do you offer a neighbor to invest in the repair of his apartment? Personally, do you keep your money in the neighborhood? So can only fools do? But we do so. No policy - NOBODY EXCEPT US. There is a begging policy. Do you personally like beggars? We can’t draw up a development plan even for three years! WHERE ARE WE DEVELOPMENT THERE, do we live by this formula? Strongly developed? That's why we are pecking. Well does not like the world of beggars! The world loves the strong, to whom it is possible to cling.
      1. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 4 December 2015 12: 48
        +3
        Where did these managers come from? These are natives of the 90s who graduated from Western "prestigious" institutions in which they teach Western methods of financial fraud, teach them to please themselves. All this education is aimed at one or more unfastened for a comfortable life for migrants and the like. Now these "minds" are pulling up their children closer, bankers, bureaucrats and others. Examples? Miss mummy with her son-genius economist-financier-banker. Does he even know where his bank is ??? And these majors are even more on the side of everything, they lived with their parents-thieves, lived happily ever after, in full prosperity and complete impunity. Another example: at one private party of regional officials, everyone dressed up in the costumes of Caesars, special people, for money in the costumes of servants, getters, etc. One of the majors, in his own way, told the bartender-boredom-what else to come up with, can he become? I would like to ask all these Chubais, Gaidars and other trash, I would like to ask in the words of the President; Do you have any idea what you did then? In short, I would have banged the law, the President first THERE, banged like 45, without mercy and to the end. And then MO, the Army banged on the sickest for this trash, on the grandmother. Where's the money? Where resources are (not ours))) Approximately the way our boys are in Syria now, but to the end, not with infantry, but with iron, strongly, at once.
      2. mervino2007
        mervino2007 4 December 2015 15: 03
        +4
        Quote: Region 34
        Personally, do you keep your money in the neighborhood? So can only fools do? But we do so.

        And there are no intelligible explanations for these actions. Except as - the implementation of the instructions of the FRS, with congratulations to the executors. The economic situation in the country is shaped by our oligarchs, not investments. In general - what nonsense it is - to rely on your development on other people's investments. As a result, the people are poor, the rich are getting richer. The most offensive thing in all this is that their wealth is based on our resources, on their "redistribution".
  18. Andrea
    Andrea 4 December 2015 11: 04
    +4
    We are simply not allowed to rise.
    You need to drop it first. And if you drop it with debris, the whole West will fill up.
    In my opinion, not everything is so bad ... Politics, it seems, suits ... it does not suit the voracity of officials and businessmen (some) ... It does not suit that the law is written for everyone, but in different ways ...
    If you comply with the tax legislation, the fees will increase. If you introduce a progressive tax, the fees will increase. If officials stop pulling Russia, this is probably half the budget.
    There are chances, you just need to not miss them.
    To equate Kaznokrad with traitors to the Motherland and confiscate the property of all relatives who cannot prove its legitimacy.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 4 December 2015 11: 50
      +3
      repeat I'm afraid we will soon come to the conclusion that there will be no financial crimes. There will be administrative violations. recourse
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 4 December 2015 12: 10
        +3
        Quote: Region 34
        I'm afraid we will soon come to the conclusion that there will be no financial crimes. There will be administrative violations.

        What bloodthirsty brother you are, so agree that Vasilyev and Serdyukov should be imprisoned, not fined ... laughing
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 4 December 2015 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: Andrea
      You need to drop it first. And if you drop it with debris, the whole West will fill up.

      The USSR was dropped by debris and gold, and the West fell asleep ... Something they did not grieve from this ...
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 4 December 2015 19: 39
        0
        Do not drop ... he ran away
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 5 December 2015 04: 36
          0
          Quote: Andrea
          Do not drop ... he ran away

          Firstly, it’s far from a fact .. secondly, centrifugal forces exist in Russia, only to retain their forces even less than in the USSR ...
  19. PPD
    PPD 4 December 2015 11: 05
    +1
    What tomorrow? Nobody knows that!
    The West has a very strong PR, not reality. Pontov over the edge, if simple. lol
    No need to take all this seriously.
    And calmly and well to do their job in their workplace. And that’s it.
    You naka .... crow-well, do not answer the same.
    Or is the dog breshet — and now — getting on all fours and barking back?
    I'm afraid here even a dog will twist a paw at the temple. tongue
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 4 December 2015 11: 44
      +1
      No. Good to do the same as before is not enough. It is necessary to become a leader at least in something significant for the inhabitants of the whole world. Medicine, education, life extension. Lack of surveillance or less stress, low competition or low taxes. We need to think about what we have a lot of, still not turned into a resource. Not PR, but reality with PR.
  20. bubalik
    bubalik 4 December 2015 11: 05
    +1
    I ask you to speak on this topic.

    ,,, Katz offers to surrender! (C) laughing
  21. Masya masya
    Masya masya 4 December 2015 11: 08
    +3
    Amendment, we do not fasten, but we KEEP !!!
  22. Bourgeois
    Bourgeois 4 December 2015 11: 10
    +4
    Article plus.
    Indeed, everything seems to be just that way.
    The West is trying at all costs to undermine us economically.
    Nevertheless, they did not manage to drag us into a full-scale war in Ukraine and we suffer much less losses in the supply of humanitarian convoys.
    There will be problems in the Crimea until they build a bridge across the strait.
    Well, everything else is true of course. And everything seems to be not deadly and solvable. But however, all this is too much at the same time, all this taken together does not allow the country to focus on internal, more important problems, but only exacerbates them. One clings to another.

    The author suggests hitting ourselves, but does not say how. What do you suggest exactly how to hit back?
    1. 34 region
      34 region 4 December 2015 12: 00
      +1
      If we take the model of Stalin's industrialization for the blow, then the answer I think will be deadly. One can cite as an example the development of Western Europe, Japan, South Korea after the 45th year. Just do not forget. Then there was the USSR. And the development of these countries was in contrast to the USSR. When the USSR did not become that development became completely different. Rather, degradation. The West does not raise the standard of living, but lowers. For example: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine. Here is an example of the future of weak countries.
  23. sisa29
    sisa29 4 December 2015 11: 11
    0
    And here is your proposal "Maybe it's time to hit yourself ". Is there a solution? How can we hit? The only place where it is possible for enemies within the country, there are many of them and the liberals and the fifth column and all kinds of NPOs, I think it makes no sense to list all this hoop. But I think this enemy is firmly settled. Therefore, for now, alas, we will only snap back in response to external provocations.
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 4 December 2015 11: 50
      +3
      Do we have NPOs and the fifth column hinders the country's industrial development? I wonder how they get around the government? In my opinion, the government itself, headed by the president, is not too keen on developing production. No money? Machine tools? Tech? Specialists?
  24. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 4 December 2015 11: 11
    +2
    There is such a letter in this alphabet! This will continue as long as Russia plays according to the rules of the West! Now, when we begin to slowly and correctly include our methods of economic influence, then we will gradually come out of this. First you need to fully establish economic cooperation with the Asia-Pacific region, then start aggressively attacking countries, making their economies weak, then think about how to weaken America by all means. Yes, this work contradicts the strategy of Russia as a whole. But as you can see without answer we beat off endless punches, but we need to go on a counterattack. Everything is like in boxing .. Only the Boxer got ruthless and there is nothing left for us to bring him down. This situation we have allowed for decades and we won’t be able to get out of it quickly. In the meantime, keep the punches and work to work ... and not wait for the weather from the sea.
  25. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 4 December 2015 11: 11
    +1
    you need to learn to survive in the conditions that are created by responding to all challenges symmetrically or asymmetrically, but "hitting" first - with all due respect to Denis, is it to put an end to the history of the Earth? with the current inadequate in the world, it's like two fingers on the asphalt! You don't think that we will swing, and everyone will scatter, and what to swing with? if not nuclear weapons, then at sea and on land, we do not have so many forces, taking into account if it is brewed globally from several directions.
  26. a housewife
    a housewife 4 December 2015 11: 12
    -1
    That is, the author suggests just starting a war. Who will we attack - Britain or the states? What nonsense. There are many such warriors here, thank God, they have no power. But what to do in reality is to create a military bloc, like NATO, but better. And for this, you must first find countries that are suitable, develop strong economic ties with them, your own currency, and then a military alliance. The principles should be completely different than in NATO, where there is one master, the rest are slaves. Only, like Putin, this is exactly what he is doing. Therefore, the states have brought down all the problems that they could come up with. They are afraid of fighting in the open, all dogs are being hounded.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 4 December 2015 12: 11
      +2
      Create a military bloc? Is it all for tanks and nothing for sausage !? I do not think that this will be approved by the people. Find suitable countries? And if there are only people leaving around? Type Ukraine. Looking for someone again? Maybe enough is praying for uncle? Maybe it's time to move away from politics who stole the one and the authority more? You can boast of a collection of watches for a million or a stable of supercars. And what has been done really for the development of the economy? Not in the sense that this year I received more money than in the past. But really. Product release for example.
  27. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 4 December 2015 11: 13
    0
    Everything is decided by the Moment of Truth, Instant. Hurry up - start a multi-day preparation, delay and miss a hit. It is necessary to act measuredly and at the exact moment. Do not confuse the dance.
    We are not depicting an epileptic seizure and not the dance of a dead sloth, but a waltz.
  28. Moore
    Moore 4 December 2015 11: 14
    +4
    Maybe it's time to hit yourself?

    Do not tell me at the same time the direction of impact? And also how to hit and whom?
  29. Belousov
    Belousov 4 December 2015 11: 14
    +2
    Yes, we survived the 90s. But it must be borne in mind that the Anglo-Saxons draw conclusions from their mistakes, and now they will not remove the noose from their necks. It was then that they were delighted when, with the help of their spies and proteges, they overwhelmed the USSR and began to rejoice and share our wealth, take out technology, scientific potential, destroy the army (what are the only BZHRKs or the unloading of a unique wiretapping system at the American embassy in Moscow). But then they didn’t finish us off, they decided that we would die further. However, this did not happen. And next time they will not make such a mistake. So in my opinion it is necessary to beat ourselves and beat to absolute defeat, and not as in World War II. Christian virtues are certainly good, but cheeks can be substituted for a long time, as a result, the head will fly off.
  30. Ivan Pupkin
    Ivan Pupkin 4 December 2015 11: 16
    10 th
    this scribbler at least 18 something fulfilled?
  31. hohkn
    hohkn 4 December 2015 11: 22
    +2
    So maybe stop parrying blows? Maybe it's time to hit yourself? And even in the military strategy and full of examples when the defender won the battle, there is not a single example when he won the war.

    And we hit. Only affordable. Money can’t measure self-esteem.
  32. Million
    Million 4 December 2015 11: 22
    +5
    We would have to cope with enemies in the government and become easier
  33. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 4 December 2015 11: 25
    +3
    Actually, we never lived very well. The struggle with external and internal enemies (of which we have plenty) has always taken, takes and will take a lot of money.
  34. Valter1364
    Valter1364 4 December 2015 11: 25
    +6
    There is another very important point in the hybrid war between Russia and the West, which many do not even know about. And it consists in filling Russia with a huge array of absurd and unnecessary information. The gigantic stream of informational nonsense rushing at us affects the psyche very deplorably. In the best case, an unprepared person ceases to adequately understand the essence of what is happening.
  35. Russki
    Russki 4 December 2015 11: 28
    -1
    The government is considering a law on freezing the funded pension for 2016 and raising the pension by 4%, and we are discussing Syria and Ukraine here. By the way, in Udmurtia we have chosen a governor from Edinorosov and now we will pay for communal services for 200 rubles a month, or there will be more.
  36. Wolka
    Wolka 4 December 2015 11: 29
    +2
    words quickly respond, yes things are slowly being done, but the beak of this parrot from the Yankees must be broken ... and I am for a tough policy in relations on the other side of the border
  37. Nitarius
    Nitarius 4 December 2015 11: 29
    -4
    and WHERE TO DO THESE SUCH - A LETTER? it is necessary to put to the wall as in 1941-1945 for the incitement to the war !!!
    1) GDP is not ... he is a strategist whom we must look for.
    2) Explicitly a big WAR is being prepared .. and human resources are needed.
    3) Need TIME FOR RE-EQUIPMENT .... and not one mother day!
    4) Training for the NEW EQUIPMENT.

    and dear even able to shoot something? or another SOFA GENERAL?
  38. Waterfowl
    Waterfowl 4 December 2015 11: 30
    -4
    But we already lost there a plane and two people. This is again a loss.

    We have been bombing for two months now, and the results are disappointing. The militants are used to our tactics. The militants in the cauldron near Homs are holding on. The Syrians and the militants shout "Allahu Akbar" to each other, that's the whole war. A tanker, at the wheel of which the militant rides and sings a song: Allah akbar ......, and on top of the Russian planes and the pilot listens.
    We were too keen on bombing from maximum altitude to avoid casualties. And we’ll have to change tactics if we want to turn the tide. Pilots would have to go down, hunt for fuel trucks, etc., use NURSs, guns ... We'll have to risk it if we want to quickly finish the job. And so it is visible - we get stuck.
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    2. forumow
      forumow 4 December 2015 12: 05
      +2
      We need artillery now, not aviation! Artillery + UAV targets / spotters. Any aviation in the context of counterinsurgency operations is strategic. But only the Islamists do not have many "strategic" goals. All the bombers and sorties are not enough for all the militants, not to mention the cost of this, but the shells are another matter!
  39. praide
    praide 4 December 2015 11: 30
    +2
    I ask you to speak on this topic.

    It’s just better to work, earn more and pay taxes. I set this task for myself a year ago and little progress is being made.
    There are many problems in our country, but only its inhabitants can deprive them. If each of us at our workplace will increase efficiency by 10%, it will be cool.
    Yes, and there are positive changes (at us, because of the mound they are hammering, which is not) Remember, when scooping, heap of wheat was bought annually behind the mound of tuyev. And now?
    Although now it’s not easy, it’s tight!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 4 December 2015 11: 35
      +5
      Quote: praide
      If each of us at our workplace will increase efficiency by 10%, it will be cool.

      tell the deputies ...
  40. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 4 December 2015 11: 32
    +2
    Ah, author, who do we have to beat first? One chatter and show-off. As long as traders sit in the Kremlin and the oligarchs rule, the country will rot. We cannot hang noodles on our ears correctly, but you want to get something serious from our shopkeepers. And so the raw materials appendage of the West. even to make the slightest ban on the supply of oil or gas, refer to the laws. But the West spat on all the laws and swears at us as it wants. It turns out that our rulers are doing the will of the West and have no mind. It’s sad, but true. We never responded with a blow to the blow. With one tomato and a mineral water Msya. And to deliver an energy blow, this will never happen. Your pockets are closer to the body. The prince is rather weak for such things.
    1. oleg46
      oleg46 4 December 2015 14: 42
      0
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      The king is weak for such matters.

      I would put a lot of advantages if I could! good good good
  41. DOMINO100
    DOMINO100 4 December 2015 11: 32
    +5
    but would not it be time to remember the USSR with its iron curtain? without any democracy and 5 columns! After all, what was the strength of the USSR, and the fact that people did not decompose from the inside! and now what? the Chinese are wise people. they took everything that is possible from the USSR! and Russia everything that is possible, but it is not necessary from the west! and look how China lives, is there anything constantly in the headlines from there? corrupt-to the stadium and a shot in the back of the head with the people! 25 years of pornography. 25 years of prostitution! maybe it’s time to look back at the USSR system a little at some points! and then the morning of Russia and everywhere the terrorist attack. someone caught a bribe, etc. it was like ... in the bins of the collective farm the milkmaid Ivanova milked 100 liters of milk and everyone is happy!
  42. AlexTires
    AlexTires 4 December 2015 11: 39
    +2
    What will be a handmade disaster tomorrow, in a week, in a month? What funds will we have to throw at its elimination?

    But the West does not need to go far ... There is a region unstable in military, social and economic plans - Ukraine, on the territory of which there are many dangerous facilities and industries, the same nuclear power plants, the accident at which is similar to the Chernobyl accident, forcing Russia to spend so much on it liquidation ...
  43. 3axap82
    3axap82 4 December 2015 11: 43
    +3
    We have not threatened the West politically for a long time. We do not have the ideology and authority of the USSR to attract other countries of the world to any serious military-political blocs. We threaten only with our nuclear weapons, and the West seeks to exhaust us economically, so that we cannot reproduce them in the required quantity, while at the same time they are building up missile defense. When old heavy missiles with multiple warheads (Voevoda and UR-500) rot from old age, the goal will be achieved. Then we will not even have to ruin us, we simply will not pose a danger. We do not have a large or even acceptable ocean-going fleet, nor do we have huge ground armies comparable to NATO's.
    Complicating the situation for us is that our elite is not really engaged in the development of our industry, and even the weapons produced are still partially sold abroad.
  44. Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 December 2015 11: 44
    10
    And let's take a look at our "so-called elite", where do they all go as soon as they pump up their careers? Where is their real permanent residence, where are their children, where is their money? Hence the conclusion - how they will develop the country where they are not going to live.
    Correctly they were forbidden to have accounts abroad, at home, etc. and still have and run there. It follows from this - the elite does not have a reason to quarrel with the West, since they can take away what they have gained through overpowering other people's labor. Go to any home appliance store, any car dealership, grocery - whose goods are worth. lie - you can study geography.
    We survived - there are no engines for shipbuilding. You can write and list our problems until the evening. It’s time it’s not only to tackle corruption, but once they know how to drive them with a filthy broom. Something like that
    1. oleg46
      oleg46 4 December 2015 14: 55
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      It’s time it’s not only to tackle corruption, but once they know how to drive them with a filthy broom.

      They are not fools, believe me! So that "with them - loved ones" nothing of the kind happens in reality, they create patriotic sites like this one, for example, in order to "channel the patriotic feelings of citizens in the right direction"; many kind of "safety valves" are created in the media space, the purpose of which is to relieve tension in society. Remember the ending of Mikhalkov's film "12". What does Mikhalkov himself say in the guise of the chairman of the jury? "Yes, here (in Russia) everything is like this: we sat, potryndeli, smoked and that's it!" And as soon as it comes down to it, you won't collect anyone. According to the film further - the taxi driver needs to make money, the surgeon - the operation, the artist - on tour, and so on ... hi Sadly it all.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 4 December 2015 19: 02
        0
        It is sad in that, in addition to the author you mentioned (which I do not respect as an intellectual, at some meeting I drove a young boobie on the face with his foot when the guards held him), there was the great Pushkin, who described the Russian rebellion. This will be scary. Therefore, I think - the elite must see the edges and change their minds. After all, by no means, the top a month has up to 100-180 million, and probably there are more, and an announcement about hiring from 6 to 10-15 thousand rubles a month.
  45. severbob
    severbob 4 December 2015 11: 46
    +4
    you can write lope anything and anything but until the power is replaced
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 4 December 2015 20: 31
      0
      Martians will fly power to change?
  46. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 4 December 2015 11: 47
    +2
    A painful topic was touched upon, the solution of which in any case will drag on for many years. Yes, no one is hiding the fact that Russia is rising from its knees, getting out of the pit, as you wish. Of course, this is the real merit of VVP, Shoigu, Lavrov and a number of other team members, but the economic recovery will go slowly, neither shaky nor shaky and the reason for this is, first of all, the absence (grown over 20 years!) of the pro-Russian elite, you look at the composition of the Government, the State Duma, the Senate. A rough comparison, strangely enough, I remember from Soviet times: "who lived under the Germans, still lives ". And therefore, until the GDP with a team of true like-minded people, and not "shift workers", "bog workers" and "effective managers" disperses the pro-Western liberals, there will be no big progress towards strengthening the role of Russia in the international arena and improving the living standards of Russians.
    1. oleg46
      oleg46 4 December 2015 15: 01
      0
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      And therefore, until the GDP with a team of true like-minded people, and not "shift workers", "bog workers" and "effective managers" disperses the pro-Western liberals, there will be no big progress towards strengthening the role of Russia in the international arena and improving the living standards of Russians.

      Illusion again? Again, "the king is good, the boyars are bad!" What makes you think that someone will disperse someone here? They are ALL in family ties with each other. How do you imagine it? Maybe it’s enough to deceive yourself? belay
  47. solvi
    solvi 4 December 2015 11: 49
    -2
    sometimes, a sinful thing. reading the Military. Rev., you’ll suddenly think if this is a project of the State Department ...
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 4 December 2015 11: 59
      0
      And why is that?
      A significant part of the forum applauds all sorts of cheers for the patriotic sometimes wild appeals to "break the British flag" "to pave the Stalin Strait", but when it comes down to it they do not support even insignificant ideas on a global scale (to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from bombing, recall the ambassador from Turkey), frightenedly twist their finger at the temple.
      1. DOMINO100
        DOMINO100 4 December 2015 12: 05
        +1
        do not tear my flag)))) it’s beautiful)))) though the USSR flag was cooler!
    2. oleg46
      oleg46 4 December 2015 15: 04
      -1
      Quote: solvi
      sometimes, a sinful thing. reading Military.Ob., you’ll suddenly think if this is a project of the State Department

      The structural unit that manages this media resource is different, but in fact you are not far from the truth. hi
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 4 December 2015 17: 53
        0
        Have you become an insider? Do you know what others do not suspect?
  48. hartlend
    hartlend 4 December 2015 11: 49
    -1
    To draw the right conclusions, you need to have reliable information. The author and readers apparently do not have such information, so calls to hit now can do a disservice.
  49. Bjorn
    Bjorn 4 December 2015 11: 51
    +6
    The article put a plus. And the fact that the author is perhaps young ... So what? Young people always do something that the wise of experience are no longer capable of. It’s not my business what’s going on in Russia, that's why I don’t comment on Putin’s message or an article about long-range fighting. I can only say that all this we have long since passed. For ten years now, every owner of the company has been sitting in his office and sees on his computer the movement of all his wagons and even fuel consumption. At enterprises everywhere there are cameras and cards, you won’t be late and you won’t go out to smoke and so on. But now is not about that.
    I don’t know how you position yourself in the world, I just know how we would like 25 million Russians outside Russia to like you would look. Strong, powerful and prosperous. Then it becomes easier for us both morally and physically. Respect and fear only the strong. Do not answer so that EVERYONE understands, respect will cease.
    In the meantime ... I can only see you being talked about for a week, waiting for the degree to drop. Maybe it’s for the better, because they know better with wise experience) But the reality is this, an old friend of the Baltic nationality comes up to me yesterday and speaks during a conversation -That you want to do with me, you can even hit, but the Turks are all the same well done that they shot down a Russian plane! And with such genuine joy he said this ... These are the things.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 4 December 2015 12: 10
      0
      Quote: Bjorn
      that's what you want to do with me, you can even hit, but the Turks are all the same well done that they shot down a Russian plane! And with such genuine joy he said it

      so I don’t understand, is he in the hospital?
      1. Bjorn
        Bjorn 4 December 2015 12: 37
        +4
        I convinced him and he apologized. The conversation was long, but if I briefly told him, did you ever hear that we Russians were happy with your missions in Iraq and Avgan? Etc.
        I would hit another, although the other, of course, would not say so, courage would not be enough. But this I considered one of the most sane.
        Educational work is also needed. And I beat them quite a few ... Believe me. From childhood, he only did what he fought and fought. Already 45 and all the time it is necessary. And it does not depend on me, it’s just the situation around me.
      2. Bjorn
        Bjorn 4 December 2015 12: 37
        0
        I convinced him and he apologized. The conversation was long, but if I briefly told him, did you ever hear that we Russians were happy with your missions in Iraq and Avgan? Etc.
        I would hit another, although the other, of course, would not say so, courage would not be enough. But this I considered one of the most sane.
        Educational work is also needed. And I beat them quite a few ... Believe me. From childhood, he only did what he fought and fought. Already 45 and all the time it is necessary. And it does not depend on me, it’s just the situation around me.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 December 2015 12: 35
      0
      and the Turks are all so well done
      But do I know everything here that three years ago Assad’s air defense shot down a Turkish f4 phantom?
  50. avva2012
    avva2012 4 December 2015 11: 54
    +2
    The author, as it were, hints: “According to sociological polls, over 70% of Americans today consider the US government system to be ineffective. At the same time, about one in five is ready to support the separatists in their state, advocating the transformation of states dissatisfied with Washington, primarily southern ones, into separate states. Immediately after Barack Obama's re-election for a second term, German Die Welt noted that in each of the fifty American states, groups of citizens have formed, demanding the secession of their state from the United States: “In their conviction, the state keeps them in slavery, and they want to leave. no civil war. Texas tops the list is no coincidence. Texans are convinced that they feed, clothe and arm the rest of America. "California is the richest and largest state in America, the authorities of which are able to conduct independent foreign policy and already have an intergovernmental agreement with another state, signed several years ago by Governor A. Schwarzenegger and then Prime Minister th Great Britain T. Blair. Many residents of the state feel that they are being forced to pay the federal treasury “too much”;
    South Carolina, which continues its policy of independence from Washington, has already proposed, through Republican Senator Lee Bright, to put its money into circulation. Legislators in Virginia, Georgia, Missouri, Idaho and Minnesota are also taking similar initiatives. Several other states require the use of gold and silver as a settlement instrument; Louisiana, with a population of 4,5 million. Residents of this state have already turned to Barack Obama with a request to proclaim independence by their state and to form their own government; Alaska, which has its own Independence Party, whose representative Walter Hickle won the elections in 1990 and took the governor's chair " ?