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December first - is the black day of the calendar (according to Romodanovsky)?

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December first - is the black day of the calendar (according to Romodanovsky)?Today, the term has expired, given to citizens of Ukraine who did not wish to determine status in Russia in order to leave Russia. As the head of the Federal Migration Service, Romodanovsky, said earlier, from December 1, sanctions will be imposed on Ukrainians who violate the migration law of Russia.


"When he (the intruder) leaves, they will shut down the entrance to the Russian Federation. Depending on how much he has stayed here, this figure will change: 120 days exceeded - 3 of the year of entrance closure, 180 days exceeded - 5 of the years of entrance closure. Year exceeded - 10 years of entry closure. "

The lightweight migration regime for Ukrainian citizens, introduced for humanitarian reasons, has been canceled in Russia since August 1. From this point on, for all Ukrainians, except those who left the territory of Donbass on an extraordinary mass scale, the usual stay order began to act, as for all foreigners from visa-free countries - they can stay in the country without determining their status 90 days. After this time, they either receive permits for employment and prolong their stay in Russia, or after 120 days from the moment they arrive they will have to close the entrance.

After August 1, the FMS of Russia repeatedly reminded the citizens of Ukraine about the need to obtain permission to work in Russia or otherwise determine their status, for example, to obtain a temporary residence permit or citizenship.

So, watch?

The wave of hysteria, raised on the network in connection with this case, has actually disappeared. And there was no chance of any special success for such a hopeless cause. But it is impossible not to focus on this moment.

Indeed, for the year that passed under the sign of the movement of Ukrainians and former Ukrainians to the territory of Russia, it was possible to make a choice and answer the question “who the fuck?”. Much has been written about the difficulties (sometimes insurmountable), with the "curve" of the FMS. But in any case there are nuances. And it was on this day that I would like to reflect on some of the nuances associated with our refugees.

Let's start with the FMS.

Yes, the activities of this organization have caused many complaints. Quite reasonable. Our FMS was simply not ready for such a stream of clients. Both technically and in terms of staff training. It is one thing to issue passports for Russians and to “build” those who want to work in Russia from Asian countries, and another thing is to work out a huge number of people who often do not have the entire package of documents.

In general, the entire policy of the country in relation to those who want to obtain citizenship, regardless of where the person came from - this is something else going on in torment. And it remains only to hope that the lessons of the past year will be perceived by the FMS as it should be. And the appropriate conclusions. Otherwise, it will be possible to speak about the “Compatriot” program only with negative and only in the past tense.

There is another frankly stupid moment. Any person who wants to obtain Russian citizenship, when submitting documents, including must submit a registration. It is desirable at the place of residence. This moment really nullified the efforts of many migrants.

A person who arrived in Russia, who wants to become its citizen, having agreed to move under the targeted resettlement program to the specified city, faced a very peculiar task. It was necessary not only to find housing, where to live, while documents are being processed, but also to receive temporary registration there. Otherwise, all further gestures do not make sense.

This is the silliest nonsense on the part of the state. Instead of somehow settling this issue, giving the same registration to the address of a temporary accommodation center or another place (hostel, for example), what was done was “fucking” many people who had arrived. That is, the question was handed over to the Russians. Who wanted to give BP to refugees - gave. Who is free, who is for money, this is a matter of conscience. Many (I know more than one example) refused because registration is temporary, but the numbers in the payment are real. And not everyone turned the language of compensation, that's why they refused.

In general, the desire "everything, and preferably free" was present for many who came. Very often I had to hear the arguments that "you did not protect us, you owe us." Often.

But summing up the opinion on the work of the FMS, I will say one thing. Not that “it could be better”, but “it could be worse, but far worse”?

Now a little about the problems of those who came, who were not directly related to the FMS. Actually, to those aspects that gave rise to this decision.

Many diverse authors spoke online at various resources. As usual for the same LJ, anonymous and faceless. But with outright fury opposed the decree. Therefore, as an opponent of December 1, I will cite a number of statements by Vladislav Shurygin, a military commentator for the newspaper “Tomorrow”. Well, the Deputy Mr. Prokhanov. Face, frankly, open and not hiding, unlike many, under a faceless mask. Only for this is respect and attention to words.

Vladislav Vladislavovich published in his LJ several materials on this topic. Criticized the FMS and the country's policies with facts and figures. http://shurigin.livejournal.com/680341.html
I will not say anything for the numbers, but I would like to comment on some of the things from his speech.

“Another problem of refugees is connected with this: they don’t have the opportunity to keep their common passport. If you apply for temporary asylum, you are immediately taken away with a general Ukrainian passport and give you a refugee certificate instead. And you naturally find yourself on the reservation - you cannot cross the Russian border with him. If you, for example, came to Russia from Kharkov, but you still have relatives in Donetsk or Lugansk, you will not be able to cross the border with the DPR of the LPR. then on the “neutral” territory, for example, in Belarus, you cannot because the Russian legislation prohibits the “territory” from leaving the “refugees”.

Is logical. How would a person, by the will of fate turned out to be in another country, most likely, would have to first of all attend to obtaining documents, searching for work, housing, places of study for children. By definition, a refugee has something to do, except to roll out to relatives in a country where a war is going on, which has deprived him of everything. Especially if the person was not in the border Rostov or Belgorod, but a little further. Here, as if not really about pokatushki for guests need to think.

In fact, Mr. Shurygin somewhat deceitful. As a person who has plunged into the Donbass, by example I can say the following: a huge number of “refugees” did not pass the passport, because they did not intend to live in Russia. They planned to “sit out” the time they deemed sufficient. I had acquaintances from Pervomaisk, who quite well spent the winter with relatives in the Belgorod region, even arranged for children to go to a local school, received some allowances and help, but did not even think about handing over passports and getting our citizenship. And from time to time they rode in their car to Pervomaisk, to check how apartments stand there, didn't they rob?

And there are thousands of them.

“For the majority of people who have relatives in Ukraine, such“ serfdom ”is unacceptable. And therefore, people hand over this evidence of a refugee, take back their passports and immediately find themselves in the very trap that I wrote about at the very beginning!”

That is, 90 days. No matter where "serfdom", the right word! In any country with refugees do it that way. Even pohlesche, if you compare with the same France. But it is not a matter of serfdom and great love for one's kin. The point of pensions, which can be obtained only in Ukraine. It is a matter of houses, apartments, and so on, what remains there, behind the "ribbon."

So many “refugees” have raised such a scream when they were resettled according to our immense. The point is not the fear of the severe frosts of Siberia, the fact is that it is far from Izvarin the same. Before the hut at the weekend do not ride. And who wanted to work and a new life - he got it. Let not in Moscow or Rostov, but received. And I know those who are almost satisfied with it. Almost - because I have in my friends a former Donbass, and now a Vorkuta miner.

And this, Shurygin, by the way, confirms unwittingly.

“But there are those who have been ordered to go back to Ukraine - these are political migrants. These are people who are being prosecuted and wanted by the SBU, who went all in different ways, many simply hid from arrest.”

Undoubtedly. There are such people. But what is their problem?

"According to the most modest estimates, the number of such refugees in Russia is up to 4000 people. And the number of political migrants is constantly growing, because the repression in Ukraine is only increasing. The problems of these people are not reflected in Russian legislation at all! Most of them are highly educated people, most of them are humanists who deliberately chose the path of political struggle against the Nazi regime in Kiev. And you will not send them under a quota somewhere near Ulyanovsk to grow potatoes or a livestock breeder near Kursk. They are ready to continue the fight here, and their value lies precisely in the fact that they are conscious and well-versed professionals, but refugee status and political asylum in Moscow are impossible to obtain. We have to live with a Ukrainian passport, in fact, in the status of a labor migrant. And now, it is these people who can become potential victims of future deportations! "

Here, actually. Oily such a point. 4 000 fighters with the junta, who can not fight anywhere except in Moscow. I don’t understand why Russian legislation should protect the interests of these people, to be honest. The laws of the Russian Federation are written in the first (and last) place for citizens of the Russian Federation. What prevents these people from proudly refusing the passport of Ukraine, to take Russian citizenship and, as citizens of Russia, to fight Nazism in the former Motherland?

Yes, everything is simple. Refugee or political refugee status. That is, benefits and payments due to it. We will be obliged to feed and maintain them for an indefinite amount of time, and they will fight the Ukrainian regime with the whole crowd. All four thousand. In Moscow.

Strange, but that’s why two famous and smartest people, fighters with the Ukrainian regime (I mean bloggers Yura and Mikhail, Yurasumy and Mikle1) do not have to sit in the capital? It turns out that a place to work and struggle can be organized anywhere. Including, in a couple of thousands of kilometers from this notorious Moscow. And they live. And work. And fighting with the regime.

I do not know how anyone, but I thought about the presence in Moscow of such a crowd who do not want to part with their past, but who want at my expense "to fight the Ukrainian junta" is something not very good. As well as not very understanding of the fact that in Russia more than a year there were crowds of people who do not care about this Russia, to put it mildly. Their goal was to “sit out” the most difficult times, and then come back and “live like they used to live.”

But what Russia turned out to be, and she didn’t bring in the troops, and didn’t shower at all comers with golden rain. One nation has a good proverb: "Guest for the first three days." Seem to be? So it seems to me that quite. Accepted, helped. Whether it is good or bad is another question. At all, do not please. Although they tried to please and tried. I watched it with my own eyes since last April. And the cooling of attention to those who came from Ukraine was largely provoked by the people themselves. Too much "give", as in my opinion. And too much dirt.

In order not to be unfounded, I will give not my example. This person is very famous on both sides of the border. Someone Alena / Elena "Gyurza". Or "Odessa Gyurza". I had the dubious pleasure of meeting and chatting with her. Doubtful because of all those with whom I happened to meet in the Donbas, it was this lady who caused the brightest negative. His frank dislike for the Russians. Colleague Roman Kryvov will not lie.

http://madame-katushki.livejournal.com/244111.html

Reading is not very convenient, but I hope that anyone who spends this effort will be rewarded with passages about the absence of disposable syringes in all medical institutions of Magadan. The rest can already be read through the line. Although the numbers can stop. And on the need for an urgent change of Magadan back to Odessa. Original creativity. And again, I draw the attention of those who study this opus, "I will not interrupt the program (on obtaining citizenship), after treatment I will return either to Moscow or to the Crimea."

What was required to prove, in fact. And there are thousands too.

To summarize some of the above. The decision may not be epoch-making, but it was suggested from the very beginning. Who wants to become a Russian, he will become. Yes, the FMS is still an office, but I'm sure it will work out to get the desired result. And who wanted to just "sit out", and even on the Russian neck ... Guest for the first three days. Okay, year. But no more.

And about four thousand political refugees ... Everything is also clear here. Yes, dear ones, it is clear that you would like to retain your citizenship so that when (exactly when, and not if) Poroshenko’s regime falls, you can return home shouting “We won!” and try to take the place of the junta. But too much of you ... a bit too much. A brigade is more than any government in exile. So places are still not enough for everyone. And is it not better to think about how best to apply yourself today? Even without growing potatoes in Ulyanovsk and chickens in Belgorod?
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 1 December 2015 06: 33 New
    +9
    Tough but fair ...
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 1 December 2015 11: 44 New
      +3
      Not everywhere. The FMS is just the opposite. The staff is already experienced and proficient in their activities. But management and the system make the work of this structure practically zero.
  2. Wolka
    Wolka 1 December 2015 06: 37 New
    +1
    it should be understood as follows: well, enough freebies, guests rested and enough, or it’s not clear that the uninvited guest is worse than the Tatar, now get out to your home ...
  3. BecmepH
    BecmepH 1 December 2015 06: 41 New
    13
    Roman put a "+", although the beginning of the article is slurred. I read the opus of this girl, and the comments on them ... If everything is clear with this madame, the comments are somewhat surprising ... Why does someone believe this storyteller? Nowadays, brother is not waiting for a brother to visit, but here ... come in large numbers. This behavior is inherent in most representatives of this nation. "You are my blood enemy, so you must feed me and warm me." And this is not cunning and cunning. They really think so and are sure of it.
    1. Evgen_Vasilich
      Evgen_Vasilich 1 December 2015 09: 25 New
      11
      the truth is there are people who got a job and work. but he himself had heard when the employee was torn off for the shoals at work and deprived of a percentage of the bonus, the leader was amazed, as it was, our “human” leadership was more humane, you can’t scold and deprive the bonus, I stayed in prostration for several minutes, then left and I realized one more reason why they jumped the country - irresponsibility and a feeling of complete disobedience, in nothing !!! Katatak.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 1 December 2015 10: 08 New
        +2
        This is yes.
        At our company, drinking binge is not an offense.
        A man drank for a week, then came, works again. Explains - what can you do. And the bosses too. Enters position. Such a feature.
        But nothing. We are all humans. All humans. Mother Russia.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 December 2015 06: 45 New
    +7
    Isn't it better to think about how to apply yourself today?

    I completely agree with the author. There was plenty of time to decide how best to apply ourselves. And Russia's actions are correct and in the interests of Russia itself.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 1 December 2015 07: 31 New
      +1
      Someone is very offended by the actions of Russia and does not notice their inaction. Well then forward to Poroshenko.
      Minusov set many, but did not express his opinion.
      1. Glot
        Glot 1 December 2015 08: 55 New
        +2
        Minusov set many, but did not express his opinion.


        So, secretly it is easier to neglect, and it is safer than expressing oneself directly. smile
        That's minus. Anonymous reporters. smile
  5. Glot
    Glot 1 December 2015 06: 48 New
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    Their goal was the most comfortable to "sit out" difficult times, and then return and "live as they used to be."


    That's right. Article plus.
    And the worst thing is that when they return, they will blame us for the eyes.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 1 December 2015 10: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: Glot
      And the worst thing is that when they return, they will blame us for the eyes.

      They will not have to fail for long. as soon as they get acquainted with the new prices, but with the latest laws.
      PJSC Kyivkhleb, the largest metropolitan producer of bread and bakery products, announced an increase in selling prices for the main varieties of products from December 1 to 2015.
      According to the company, a Kiev sliced ​​loaf weighing 0,5 kg will rise in price from UAH 5,34 to 5,64 UAH, Ukrainian capital hearth bread 0,95 kg - from UAH 6,9 to UAH 7,92, traditional wheat hearth bread 0,65 kg - from 5,64 to 6,24 UAH.

      For the denial of the famine - article
      For expressing dissatisfaction with government actions - article for separatism
      And at the same time -
      World Health Organization (WHO) calls on Ukraine to impose a state of emergency in relation to the outbreak of poliomyelitis. This was announced during a press conference by the representative of the WHO Bureau in Ukraine Dorit Nitzan, the correspondent of RBC-Ukraine reports. WHO is concerned about the state of things that only half of the children have been vaccinated in Ukraine.

      Also, according to Nitzan, today Ukraine is on the list of countries, before entering which it is recommended to vaccinate against polio.

      “Because of the outbreak of poliomyelitis in Ukraine, Ukraine is now on the list of countries where all travelers are advised to get polio vaccination before traveling to Ukraine. Nigeria, New Guinea, Madagascar and Laos are also on this list of countries,” she added.
      1. Glot
        Glot 1 December 2015 11: 06 New
        +6
        They will not have to fail for long. as soon as they get acquainted with the new prices, but with the latest laws.


        So they all say one thing, that we are guilty, that because of us, everything is bad with them. smile
        As one of my former acquaintances once said, the truth is not a crest but Belarus:
        - Everything is bad with us because you are Russians, they robbed us in the year 91, and all our gold reserves were taken out - whole trains of gold!
        Oh how !!! Took out by trains !!!
        This is what they say and write. I have no doubt that the Ukrainians say something similar. And explain to them the price increase and stuff, it also looks like they say - we brought them to this.
        And they will spit in our backs. True, smiling more often in the face ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 December 2015 13: 02 New
          +4
          And Belarusians had gold ?????? Abaldet, and the USSR State Bank did not know ...
          WHY ??? !!! under the USSR, gold could be needed in the republics in general ??????
          Words by Lavrov, folk music what
          1. Glot
            Glot 1 December 2015 14: 31 New
            +2
            And Belarusians had gold ?????? Abaldet, and the USSR State Bank did not know ...
            WHY ??? !!! under the USSR, gold could be needed in the republics in general ??????
            Words by Lavrov, folk music


            I don’t know, he thought so. More precisely, I was sure that it was so. laughing laughing laughing
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      3. mult-65
        mult-65 1 December 2015 22: 14 New
        0
        For a long time I have been buying spicy rye bread in the magnets of the city of Belgorod 0.4 kg for 18 rubles.30k. In Hohland, as I understand it - cheaper.
  6. Darkness
    Darkness 1 December 2015 07: 11 New
    +4
    Ukrainians, they are in Africa Ukrainians
  7. BABA SHURA
    BABA SHURA 1 December 2015 07: 34 New
    +8
    get a temporary residence permit or citizenship. ???? How to do this, do not tell me ?! Or all Ukrainians, Romodanavsky, was going to marry? I was sure that Russian citizenship, one of the most difficult to obtain!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 1 December 2015 10: 23 New
      +8
      Quote: BABA SHURA
      get a temporary residence permit or citizenship. ????

      You know, even those who have received a residence permit are faced with difficulties. For example, a man passed an exam on knowledge of the Russian language, received a certificate, and to obtain citizenship - this certificate is not suitable. And what is needed? And this is not known in the FMS, but this one does not fit. So the confusion is also enough.
    2. Tiger4
      Tiger4 1 December 2015 13: 20 New
      +2
      That's for sure! It is necessary to do 2-3 calls to the FMS with a bunch of papers
    3. your1970
      your1970 1 December 2015 21: 28 New
      +1
      Well, actually American repeat
      Yes, perhaps difficult, but some - issues are not resolved
      At the local level - district - the FMS was tasked with doing everything as quickly as possible (I know for sure repeat ) and tearing them like sloppy cats for all sorts of incidents ... Those who really wanted to receive (about 20 people), who didn’t want, for the most part they left for months through 2-3, saying that everything’s bad with you, you can't live like that. The bulk went to Moscow and St. Petersburg ...
  8. Yoshig
    Yoshig 1 December 2015 08: 08 New
    +6
    If there is a mess in your apartment, you have to bring it to your neighbors. There they will feed and warm, and give money. Maybe you should try to put things in order at home?
  9. Aleksander
    Aleksander 1 December 2015 08: 15 New
    15
    I would like to note that it is not the Russian people of today's foreign countries who have abandoned Russia, but herself Russia abandoned them in the 1991 year, in every possible way pushing away from them, especially in the beginning.
    Russian people do not need benefits, preferences and benefits-give him RUSSIAN PASSPORT without problems-so that he can live normally and compete in his historical Homeland. And there will be hundreds of thousands of new citizens - without any enormous, costly, ineffective resettlement programs .... This is a small thing that Russia could have done in relation to the abandoned it in 1991 ....
    1. Belgorod
      Belgorod 1 December 2015 09: 24 New
      +5
      Russia quit? Nude nude
      And how did you vote in the local elections in 91, huh?
      Ukraine, the Baltic states? Now what do you want?
      In Belgorod, thousands of immigrants live. Some without any benefits rose to their feet.
      In 2014, a new workshop was started in Borisovka. They brought "refugees" gave shovels. The director says we’ll build and will work. Wait, yeah! You give us positions and then we'll see ...
      Constitutions Outskirts
      Article 1 "Russia is to blame"
      Article 2 "Russia must and must"
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 1 December 2015 09: 53 New
        +6
        Quote: Belgorod
        Russia quit? Nude nude

        Yes, the EBN chosen by you signed Bialowieza in 1991 - here you are and “nude-nude”
        Quote: Belgorod
        Now what do you want? Some have risen to their feet without any benefits.


        Nothing they don’t want to, it’s clearly said! Only a Russian passport without humiliation and red tape, selected by EBN-m, then all by yourself.
        1. Belgorod
          Belgorod 1 December 2015 10: 27 New
          10
          In January, there was a publication about refugees in Primorye. And now, reading this article, I decided to compare (check) the statistics about the remaining and received citizenship. I called a friend in the local Federal Migration Service and asked him to help.
          Our small town is in the Amur Region. And that turned out. On 23.11.2014/176/17.10.2015, 158 people arrived - citizens of Ukraine. On 18/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX people went away, XNUMX people received Russian citizenship. And according to a friend, citizenship was issued to all "comers" as soon as possible.
          Of the number of those who returned back (at the expense of the FMS), almost 70% left after a couple of months. Leaving behind unpleasant memories, like the administration (which provided hotels, hostels, apartments, cash assistance, household appliances, etc.), and the local population. I will not tell in detail, but when it turns out to them - everyone and everything should ...
          The sediment remained ...

          Any questions?
        2. Belgorod
          Belgorod 1 December 2015 10: 36 New
          +5
          Bachili och, schu kupulya, zhzhte, want to rule.
          Do you need a passport? Come, come the prescribed procedures and go
          Or are you on the red carpet, bread and salt?
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 1 December 2015 11: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Belgorod
            Do you need a passport? Come come the necessary procedures and go ahead Or did you take the red carpet, bread and salt?


            You have already laid the red carpet for the Asians and Caucasians who inhabit Russia today, and due procedures rather, they will lead you.
            You read better reports FMS-How many migrants Russia needs to import annuallyto at least not die out and pay pensions.
            Not Russian foreign countries, but Russia itself must run along b. republics, inviting Russian-speaking youth to empty universities and colleges, to vacant jobs, this is necessary, first of all, to herself
            1. Belgorod
              Belgorod 1 December 2015 11: 53 New
              +3
              Why should I read. I see everything with my own eyes. and how many refugee children go to d. and how many budget places were given in universities. Builders are the mother of Ukrainians. We all see
              And for information: since 2013, a program has been operating in the Russian Federation for those who are really needed (workers, etc.)
              But we do not need whiners and lazy people, we can give our own to you
            2. Glot
              Glot 1 December 2015 12: 26 New
              +2
              and Russia itself must run along b. the republics, inviting Russian-speaking youth to empty universities and colleges, to vacant jobs, this is necessary, first of all, for herself


              WHAT ?! Empty universities?
              Well ... Well, then you’ll get a hell out of the budget, then empty ...
              Vacant places?
              Yes, it’s straight indeed, some vacancies are around, you don’t know where to go. Choose - I do not want. laughing
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            4. Fitter65
              Fitter65 1 December 2015 14: 58 New
              0
              Looks like a freebie also didn’t work, so spray your saliva ... Refugees and “refugees” came to us in the Khabarovsk Territory as well. Some were primarily interested in work, and secondly about what they owed. So, because of such freeloaders- normal people had to move to another place. He is a math teacher, she is a pediatrician. They worked for a year while they had to move because of these lovers of gambling.
          2. Kombrig
            Kombrig 1 December 2015 11: 40 New
            +9
            Quote: Belgorod
            Do you need a passport? Come, come the prescribed procedures and go
            Or are you on the red carpet, bread and salt?



            Not everything is so straightforward, having embarked on the path of obtaining Russian citizenship, a person doing everything according to the rules, still falls into “vicious circles” several times, which is very problematic to circumvent, I say this not by hearsay - a childhood friend from Donetsk just draws up citizenship .... it's very difficult because she is not Depardieu and not Roy Jones ...
          3. Glot
            Glot 1 December 2015 12: 22 New
            +1
            Or are you on the red carpet, bread and salt?


            Aha, also to kiss in the ass, but to live out the poles to spit. He loves it. laughing
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        3. Glot
          Glot 1 December 2015 11: 09 New
          +3
          Yes, the EBN chosen by you signed Bialowieza in 1991 - here you are and “nude-nude”


          Did EBN sign it alone? He forcibly distributed sovereignty to everyone?
          They wanted to secession! Sami yelled at all angles - give us free rein!
          Dali! Did not like ! They reached out to Russia for everything they could. So why did you ask for a bolt ?!
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 1 December 2015 12: 53 New
            +4
            Quote: Glot
            He forcibly distributed sovereignty to everyone?

            And about "Take sovereignty as you want," you have not heard?
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 1 December 2015 18: 41 New
              0
              Well, if you adhere to historical, so to speak accuracy, then this is a statement by EBN
              Quote: sa-ag
              And about "Take sovereignty as you want," you have not heard?
              It refers to the republics and autonomies that are part of the Russian Federation, and not to the entire CIS. And it was after this statement that processes began to determine independence, and sometimes separation from the Russian Federation in Tataria, Bashkiria, Chechnya, and the Urals E. Rossel began to declare the creation of the Ural Republic. It seems that your memory is short, you already forgot that 20-25 happened in the country years ago. It was not for nothing that yesterday Roman put an article about the results of life in the country.
        4. sa-ag
          sa-ag 1 December 2015 12: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Aleksander
          Only a Russian passport without humiliation and red tape, selected by EBN-m,

          In fairness, I note that under EBN, it was possible to obtain Russian citizenship without much red tape and this ended in 2006, when someone said "whoever wanted to move, he moved," and there was a program to facilitate resettlement in the Russian Federation
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 December 2015 15: 38 New
            +6
            Quote: sa-ag
            it was possible without special red tape to obtain Russian citizenship

            A friend is from Uzbekistan (Russian), he graduated from the police school in Tashkent, and Jr. Letenant came to work in Togliatti. I was able to get my passport as a major in 2003, or in 2004. Just like that, Russians received citizenship. And in a year or two, the Khachis boasted of a Russian passport. hi
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 1 December 2015 18: 52 New
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And in a year or two, the Khachis boasted of a Russian passport.

              In the autumn of the 99, I had the chance to be on a business trip in Moscow after the well-known bombings of houses on Kashirka and Guryanova, then they gathered 5 thousand people over Russia and left to check the passport regime in Moscow. I was then in Mozhaysky district, so about 40% , in my estimation, we checked every apartment, the inhabitants of the Mozhaisk district were, as is customary to say, people of Caucasian ethnicity were mostly Azerbaijanis and everyone had a Moscow residence permit. Moreover, he had an apartment and was registered somewhere in Krylatsky, but lived in another place, sochi While working with a Muscovite, even the leadership of the Mozhaisk District Department of Internal Affairs at 50% consisted of them — the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the head of the districts. It’s not for nothing that S. Trofimov sang: “Dear Luzhkov-zade, wear a cap everywhere, so everyone can understand, We’re yours bees, you are our mother. "And who is to blame for this mess-Yeltsin, Luzhkov, Chubais?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 1 December 2015 19: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: Captain45
                It’s not in vain that S. Trofimov sang: “Dear Luzhkov-zade

                Trofim handsome, that is not a song, it is a reflection of the soul, or a prophecy, or a past. drinks
              2. mult-65
                mult-65 1 December 2015 22: 29 New
                +1
                Selling creatures, two live happily ever since, and EBN-well pantheon in E-burg, the first persons of the country opened.
        5. orphan 63
          orphan 63 2 December 2015 00: 26 New
          -2
          which Russia could have done with respect to those it abandoned in 1991 .... Yes, the EBN you selected signed Belovezhkoye in 1991, and here you have the “nu-nu”


          Now Putin is to blame for everything, and before that, Yeltsin was to blame for everything !!! ??? The antilogy of the former Soviet is simply "afigitious and charming" (This if without a mat) ..........
          For those who pretend to have forgotten, I suggest a chronology of events.
          The signing of the Bialowieza Agreement, which spoke about the termination of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a “subject of international law and geopolitical reality” and the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), as part of Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, took place 8 декабря 1991 года took place.
          By the time of the dissolution of the USSR on December 8, of all the Union republics, only three had not declared independence - RSFSR, Belarus and Kazakhstan.
          The RSFSR was renamed the Russian Federation on December 25, 1991.
          For Aleksander, the independence of the country of Moldova was proclaimed 27 August 1991 year. Moreover, it was Moldova that became the only republic of the USSR that refused
          Sign a new union agreement. And then, not wanting to join the CIS, Moldova was in GUUAM.
          GUAM is an interstate organization created in October 1997 by the former Soviet republics of Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Moldova and Uzbekistan (from 1999 to 2005). The name of the organization was formed from the first letters of the names of the countries included in it. Before Uzbekistan left the organization, it was called GUUAM.
          1. Mik13
            Mik13 2 December 2015 09: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Orphan 63
            For those who pretend to have forgotten, I suggest a chronology of events.
            The signing of the Bialowieza Agreement, which spoke about the termination of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a “subject of international law and geopolitical reality” and the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), as part of Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, took place on December 8 of 1991 of the year.


            The chronology of the events should be read from the Declaration on State Sovereignty of the RSFSR, which the Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR adopted on June 12 of 1990 of the year. Strange as it may seem, Yeltsin signed this document as chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR. And it was with this declaration that the "rebuilding of the union on a new legal basis" began.

            As a result, a similar document was adopted by the Ukrainian SSR, 16 July 1990.

            So “who first started” is a very, very controversial question.

            Personally, I believe that it was Yeltsin (along with the other Shushkevichs) who was ruining the country to be not one of the leaders of state entities, but a county king. American partners actively helped him, of course.
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      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 1 December 2015 10: 03 New
        -2
        How did you vote in the 91st?
        For the collapse of the Union and gangster liberal chaos?
        So you need to say thank you for all the good that we more than drank in the 90s?
      4. Egoza
        Egoza 1 December 2015 10: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: Belgorod
        And how did you vote in the local elections in 91, huh?

        One minus is mine. Just voted for the preservation of the USSR. And then they held a second referendum, where their ... Kravchuk put the wording "for an independent Ukraine as part of the Union." Then they saved the first part, and the second brazenly threw it away. And it turned out to be "non-blocking"
        1. Tiger4
          Tiger4 1 December 2015 13: 37 New
          +7
          I remember the “referendum” of '91 ... The people were in favor of preserving (what was left of the USSR), but the three drunken people decided on their own drunk! I went to bed in the USSR, and woke up in Kazakhstan
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 1 December 2015 10: 49 New
      0
      My "-"
      I would like to note that it was not the Russian people of today's foreign countries who abandoned Russia, but Russia itself abandoned them in 1991, pushing them in every possible way, especially at the beginning.
      Who pushed them off? But aren’t they the other way around pushing us away? Damn watered and watered? Who wanted, he immediately moved to Russia.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 2 December 2015 09: 40 New
        0
        Quote: BecmepH
        Who pushed them off? But aren’t they the other way around pushing us away? Damn watered and watered? Who wanted, he immediately moved to Russia.


        Yes? For example, in Ukraine they wanted would in 1991 about 20 millions, not including Crimea. Do you really think that such a "resettlement of peoples" Russia would stand?

        Or do you no longer remember how the military of the withdrawn ZGV hibernated with their families in tents?
        Or maybe you forgot how fun the Russians returned from under the genocide in the Caucasus at the beginning of the 90's? And how did they feel about them?
  10. Belousov
    Belousov 1 December 2015 08: 58 New
    +7
    Still, it is necessary to take a more selective approach to refugees and immigrants. If people really came from the war zone and want to really work - this is one song, you need to help with obtaining citizenship, work. And if such Internet warriors are allegedly for political reasons - to drive such parasites in the neck. Or for potatoes near Ulyanovsk or outside the homeland.
    1. Tiger4
      Tiger4 1 December 2015 13: 41 New
      +6
      We have people from Gorlovka, Donetsk at work ... Cool specialists and work honestly
    2. Mik13
      Mik13 2 December 2015 09: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Belousov
      And if such Internet warriors are allegedly for political reasons - to drive such parasites in the neck. Or for potatoes near Ulyanovsk or outside the homeland.


      That's right, kick everyone out. Some political motives came up ... It is said - Poroshenko - a partner - means a partner. Elderberry alone is not enough - you need another hundred ... and then no one knows about ordinary citizens. They are just about 20000 missing ...

      So you need to maintain the best historical traditions.
      For example, in the 1940 year, the USSR gave Germany about 500 people of refugees - members of the KKE who were hiding in the USSR.

      It was a very far-sighted political step, which in no case should be called a cowardly betrayal. Because no one promised anything to the German Communists. And in general - they scammed their country, they let Hitler go to power - and they also had the audacity to seek asylum ... No, Germany is a respected partner, and Hitler is the best choice for the German people ... So you yourself.
  11. apro
    apro 1 December 2015 09: 00 New
    +6
    Another decision contributing to the division of our people, Moscow does not have its own policy towards Ukraine, why are there restrictions on the residents of Ukraine? They separate us so that we never get together, jump in Kiev and jump in Moscow, restrictions on stay only for those against who has the materials of anti-Russian activity. Having suffered a defeat in 1991, we are now deepening the split by such decisions. Russia Belarus Ukraine Kazakhstan to reunite.
  12. AX
    AX 1 December 2015 09: 24 New
    +5
    In January, there was a publication about refugees in Primorye. And now, reading this article, I decided to compare (check) the statistics about the remaining and received citizenship. I called a friend in the local Federal Migration Service and asked him to help.
    Our small town is in the Amur Region. And that turned out. On 23.11.2014/176/17.10.2015, 158 people arrived - citizens of Ukraine. On 18/XNUMX/XNUMX, XNUMX people went away, XNUMX people received Russian citizenship. And according to a friend, citizenship was issued to all "comers" as soon as possible.
    Of the number of those who returned back (at the expense of the FMS), almost 70% left after a couple of months. Leaving behind unpleasant memories, like the administration (which provided hotels, hostels, apartments, cash assistance, household appliances, etc.), and the local population. I will not tell in detail, but when it turns out to them - everyone and everything should ...
    The sediment remained ...
    1. LEX SU
      LEX SU 1 December 2015 15: 34 New
      +1
      About Primorye did not read the article ... and when was ???
      I am from Nakhodka. I work on the radio, I personally record all the news =)
      We had 300 people in TAC
      There are a couple of dozen with "uncertain status" - I don’t know what it is ...
      about 50 received citizenship ...
      the rest have left ...

      Out of the 50 that remained and work, more than half of them want to go to the west of Russia (as I understand it closer to Ukraine) - how it will take six months (I also don’t know how it is - it’s probably a condition to work out in Nakhodka, such as quotas by region).
      But he wrote somewhere on the site that he talked with his family from Ukraine (I don’t know the region) - he works as a driver and conductor on the city route, the children are attached to the kindergarten ...
      I do not like. The driver's salary is from 25000, the conductor does not know how much he gets ...
      By our standards, 25000 and regularly is very good. Despite the fact that we will be more expensive than in the west of Russia. A loaf of gray from 25r. Gasoline 92 37.5 rub / liter diesel 37.8 rub / liter
  13. Altona
    Altona 1 December 2015 09: 40 New
    +3
    Question to Roman Skomorokhov: "How can a person abandon the DPR (LPR) and move to Russia forever? What is needed for this?" And are there still people in the frontline? Marinka, for example ...
  14. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 1 December 2015 09: 44 New
    +8
    As for registration - this is not a question. If you rented an apartment, the owner will do the registration for you.
    I agree with Alexander in the sense that in Ukraine there are many people who do not connect themselves with Ukraine in any way. Because they consider themselves Russian.
    However, naturally, Russians who came to Russia from Ukraine do not receive any help. Even informational. Not a single decree will tell you anything.
    Naturally, they are not particularly hired for work. With Ukrainian citizenship. Although the man is not to blame that the great leader presented his land with a broad gesture to a half-country that had never existed before.
    You have to pay for every smelly certificate. 2-3-4 000 rubles, for exams, for example in the Russian language, designed for d-ebilov. Stamps are placed only in a passport. This is another 5-10 000.
    The FMS is a complete mess. There are some lines. Completely left, constantly scandals, are on duty at night. FMS does not tear. It will take 10 people a day and okay.
    Offering citizens to restore order in Ukraine on their own, I advise to restore order on their own in Russia. Or what, we have an awesome order here? In whose hands is the oil industry? Well, let’s do it. Put your order in order. Weak. You will be killed immediately as soon as you nationalize the first gas station. Or clean up the construction sector. And even better in the alcohol market. They’ll shoot right away. So in Ukraine. Order in Ukraine can only be brought about by organizing a military coup there. With the subsequent cleansing of those who are objectionable and doubting, as well as with the dictatorship of 10 years.
    Returning to the topic of obtaining a temporary residence permit, I note that I personally encountered this mess. Moreover, having on hand all the papers and all possible rights.
    Ukrainians, but in reality Russians from Ukraine, will simply unfasten our bodies as much as necessary and that's it. From your own skinny pocket.

    We do not need Russians.
    We are not Germany, where any German can come.
    Not Israel, where any Jew finds refuge.
    Not even Hungary, which gives passports to citizens of Hungarian descent, not the Czech Republic or Bulgaria, where the Ukrainian only needs to say that his grandmother was a Bulgarian without any evidence of that. In Bulgaria, they understand that citizens are needed - Slavs, otherwise, Turkey is at hand, it can share the inhabitants ...
    We accept pupupas from Asia and the Caucasus. These are the citizens we really need.

    Noting the suspicions that have arisen, I will say that I have a Russian passport with which I was born, which I am proud of.
    1. sergei.84
      sergei.84 1 December 2015 13: 16 New
      +7
      You seemed to write everything about me! Also, from birth, a Russian passport, and did not change my place of residence. But my wife died, and I managed to marry a Russian from Yasenovataya. It began with the fact that at the Rostov mission of Ukraine, for permission to marry a Russian (husband died) they stripped off 4500 rubles. And then it went off .... No one asked for a penny, and help too. That's from May .... yesterday I went to work for the first time. I went through all this kitchen with her, such a pancake soul ....
    2. your1970
      your1970 1 December 2015 21: 58 New
      0
      "The FMS is completely confused. There are some queues. There are completely left, constantly scandals, are on duty at night. The FMS is not tearing. A person will accept 10 on the day, okay."
      Are you embarrassed to ask where in the line stood at night? In Moscow? In St. Petersburg? In Krasnodar?
      So I’ll give you a military secret, we’ll drive off 500-700 km deep into the country to any village / city of up to 20 000 people .. At the time of the massive influx, it was said by large ranks - refugees out of turn, then they will wait for theirs .. And FMS members did exactly such small villages to the maximum. If they did - you write 5 people a day - their generals would tear to the British flag ...
      It’s more problematic with cities - the states are small, there are more people, the corruption component also cannot be thrown back, and this takes place

      Regarding your examples, they are POLITICAL. If you suddenly forgot, we also had this: in Transnistria and Abkhazia ...

      Who wanted - they came and received citizenship in 90

      "Not even the information one. Not a single decree will tell you anything." - And you do not ask bitches, you turn to PEOPLE ...
      and if it doesn’t help (sometimes it happens) - write complaints, it helps ..
  15. Taygerus
    Taygerus 1 December 2015 09: 56 New
    +1
    whoever wished that he received Russian citizenship in the allotted time, there was plenty of time, to be honest, I looked at these refugees, they don’t want to work, you see, they don’t work for salaries, they need subsidies and help, housing is only in the center, although of course not all, there are normal people, and they did not run for help, but immediately found a job, someone issued citizenship and a residence permit. In general, it’s enough for them to sit around their neck (people of advanced age do not count) it is time for them to raise their Outskirts, work in general, and not jump. As the saying goes bon voyage!
  16. nikolaev
    nikolaev 1 December 2015 10: 00 New
    +4
    With such FMS, commentators and analysts about the Russian world, the restoration of the Union will have to be forgotten
    1. Altona
      Altona 1 December 2015 14: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: nikolaev
      With such FMS, commentators and analysts about the Russian world, the restoration of the Union will have to be forgotten

      -------------------
      Yes, here it is not only the FMS. Many refugees wanted to be provided with almost comfortable apartments in Belgorod, Voronezh, Bryansk and Rostov-on-Don, so that they could comfortably move back and forth ... Plus, of course, a guide ... Options like Sverdlovsk Region, Perm Territory, Well, other such internal areas were swept away right away ... Although people offered empty housing ... I honestly was surprised at this position, since I myself came across this on social networks ...
      1. nikolaev
        nikolaev 1 December 2015 18: 33 New
        +4
        What are you grinding? What kind of comfort? We are talking about elementary survival. Even for this there are no conditions. Moreover, this intolerance is created by a completely artificially chosen nation so that the Russians in Russia would not survive.
        Hand on heart: is it easy for a simple person to survive? Having a citizenship? And, if he is not there and God knows when he will be, it is necessary to rent a house, but can not arrange a child in a kindergarten?
        Surviving is not real. Therefore come back. Where children are forced to be sent to Bandera, those liable for military service have to go to the ATO or to prison.
        Thank... .
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 December 2015 22: 03 New
          +1
          "Where are the children forced to give to Bandera", please explain why the Russian Federation is a person who can send his children to Bandera ?? And what does he have to do with Russian ???
          Children were taken to schools not only without registration - without documents at all !!!!!
  17. provincial
    provincial 1 December 2015 10: 10 New
    +2
    Enough to dissolve snot on the Ukrainians. It was time to decide, and now, as they used to say, “Suitcase, train station, Ukraine.” They stayed and woke up, Yarosh, Poroshenko, Yaytsenyukh and other democrats were waiting for them at home.
    1. Glot
      Glot 1 December 2015 11: 11 New
      -2
      Enough to dissolve snot on the Ukrainians. It was time to decide, and now, as they used to say, “Suitcase, train station, Ukraine.” They stayed and woke up, Yarosh, Poroshenko, Yaytsenyukh and other democrats were waiting for them at home.


      ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !
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  18. KBR109
    KBR109 1 December 2015 10: 12 New
    +3
    And what did you want from through and through the capitalist and oligarchic state? The rhetoric here is sideways ... Flies - separately, cutlets - separately.
  19. Egoza
    Egoza 1 December 2015 10: 34 New
    +3
    It certainly is not the topic, but I can not help but put ...
    On Friday evening, the Verkhovna Rada passed a law, within the framework of the project on the decommunization of Ukraine, to replace the traditional Santa Claus and the Snow Maiden with St. Nicholas. Anyone who violates this law must be held criminally liable. Recall that in 2013-2014 of the year, during the New Year holidays, from 16.12 to 08.01, about 3500 of Santa Clauses and Snow Maidens worked in Ukraine. As a rule, actors perform in kindergartens, schools. Invitations of fairy-tale heroes home are frequent (about 18% of respondents use such services).

    So those who return will be “having fun” to celebrate the New Year.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 1 December 2015 13: 55 New
      +2
      So all right, if St. Nicholas wishes you a Merry Christmas, although what does he have to do with it - nothing to do with it at all. And then in fact dress up in cartoon Santa! And in the New Year, who will come to the children? Solokha and the hell? In the spirit of independence!
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      1. Kombrig
        Kombrig 1 December 2015 16: 50 New
        0
        Quote: housewife
        So all right, if St. Nicholas wishes you a Merry Christmas, although what does he have to do with it - nothing to do with it at all. And then in fact dress up in cartoon Santa!



        Santa Claus and St. Nicholas are one and the same character)))
  20. duschman80-81
    duschman80-81 1 December 2015 11: 27 New
    0
    "In any country, refugees do just that. Even worse, when compared with France." Fair. But "minus" here are those to whom the article has a direct relationship, those who until the last hoped that Svidomo, and this time everyone will forgive and forget about it. As already happened more than once.
    1. Glot
      Glot 1 December 2015 12: 09 New
      0
      But "minus" here are those to whom the article has a direct relationship, those who until the last hoped that Svidomo, and this time everyone will forgive and forget about it.


      Yes, these are our "brothers" raging, even so yes bite. Yes, those who, in their livery-liberal inside, cannot bear the "mockery of the poor" from the ruins. laughing
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  21. Mark68
    Mark68 1 December 2015 11: 39 New
    +3
    If you want to become a citizen of Russia, you will become, and if you want to eat fish and ride a bike ... I don’t think that the citizens of our eastern neighbors (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, etc.) who want to obtain Russian citizenship would be indignant that can’t leave your passport. Yes, because no obstacles arise in these countries. Because when they receive a Russian passport, they calmly go to their eastern homeland, if necessary. We must understand that our FMS has nothing to do with it. The problem is the FMS of Ukraine and their "democratic" attitude towards Russian citizenship.
    1. Tiger4
      Tiger4 1 December 2015 13: 54 New
      +8
      It is "our" FMS here with WHAT !!!!! On a day, receiving 20-30 people at work is NOT EVERY day! Itself went through everything in 2006!
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 1 December 2015 15: 19 New
      +6
      Not at all like that. Many Russians just do not want to go to Russia because of the difficulties with paperwork. For example, what is the need to first abandon the previous citizenship, pass a passport in exchange for a residence permit? If young, able-bodied go, then pensioners with their parents. As soon as they write a renunciation of citizenship, they automatically withdraw their pension. And when will receive the Russian pension, even social - is unknown. What to live for? And the results of consideration of documents for Russian citizenship are also unknown. And if there is a reason for the refusal? Then the person renounced his former citizenship and did not receive a new one. It turns out that he remained stateless. Why not select the old passport when receiving a Russian at the same time? Then, in any case, the citizen will have at least some citizenship.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 1 December 2015 18: 21 New
        +1
        Pension know what there? 1200-1500 hryvnia. 4000 p. in our opinion. So don't be sorry
      2. Rubs
        Rubs 1 December 2015 23: 49 New
        +2
        And here I went to the Rostov Consulate to give up Ugro-citizenship. About two weeks ago. After a year of collecting and processing documents on simplified citizenship.
        I go in with a slight excitement. Step all the same. And the enemy territory. I’ll send the application form. I am showing a certificate of the possibility of admission to Russian citizenship subject to renunciation of Ukrainian. And I learn that first bring the RVP / residence permit, and then for a long and expensive (17tysch and 11 months) registration of refusal and passport. This is if in Rostov. But they highly recommended to go to Kiev \ Kharkov and do everything in a week and one thousand repeat . Swift offer belay. Well, it’s good that they didn’t call for the ATO right at the consulate. With them it will become.
        However, anyway, a residence permit would be given to me only after the refusal. The circle is closed. That is, the "simplification" is blocked by Ukraine.
        The FMS said to wait. Waiting for.
  22. yvk-evg
    yvk-evg 1 December 2015 12: 00 New
    +3
    To introduce a “mirror response” to the decision of the Ruins, to prohibit male citizens of the Russian Federation of up to 60 years of age (I do not remember the lower age threshold) from entering the Ruin. Reply mirror! By any means!!! Tightening the migration regime is not enough? Introduce a visa regime with a ban on entry to Russia for ATO participants and volunteers helping them (not to mention members of the PS, Freedom and other Nazi packs) LIFE !!! After all, having sat up and volunteered, they will want to eat corny, but where to make money? In Russia. Or run away from the new Russians, but where? To Russia.
  23. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 1 December 2015 12: 16 New
    10
    Just amazing! Millions of citizens from Asian republics who are uncontrollably engaged in unclear what kind of work and add a significant percentage to the statistics of offenses in the Russian Federation do not bother the author of this article, and our brotherly Ukrainian people with whom more than half of Russians are connected by kinship who seeks salvation from lawlessness by the Nazis fell across the bone in the throat! If you think in the same vein as the author, then Kaliningrad may turn out to be foreign to us, and that, they are there, and we are here, "someone should hang on our neck." So far, you can go guided by such logic.
    1. Glot
      Glot 1 December 2015 12: 41 New
      +5
      Millions of citizens from Asian republics who are uncontrollably engaged in unclear what kind of work and add a significant percentage to the statistics of offenses in the Russian Federation do not bother the author of this article, and our brotherly Ukrainian people with whom more than half of Russians are connected by kinship who seeks salvation from lawlessness by the Nazis fell across the bone in the throat!


      This is the "uncontrolled labor activity" here who only does not conduct.
      THE WHOLE former Union + dalnyaki partially.
      And believe me, not only our “brothers” stood up with a “bone in the throat”! I specifically took the brothers in quotation marks, as it is.
      To me personally, THREE THESE these "brothers" from Ukraine have been breaking off work, lowering the RFP, tightening the schedule, etc. .. THREE ONLY kakly, not counting ALL the rest: Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Moldavians, Belarusians, Abkhazians ...
      And not for me alone. Alas.
      What attitude do I have towards the person because of whom I lost my job, salary, whose child took a place in the kindergarten, a budget university, and I have to pay for mine there? And with all this, this person looks at me with hatred, with envy, thinking that I owe him something or owe him something.
      This is not to Ukrainians, this is to all. But to them as well.
      And do not appeal to a certain brotherhood. They are brothers to us while it is favorable to them, while they can have something from us. Once it becomes unprofitable, you will see the faces of these "brothers."
      1. Belgorod
        Belgorod 1 December 2015 13: 02 New
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      2. LEX SU
        LEX SU 1 December 2015 15: 44 New
        +5
        tough but i agree

        they are not waiting for me in fraternal Ukraine ...
        and even in fraternal Belarus DO NOT WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        and if I decide to move there to wait (winter, unemployment, united Russia and everything)
        ME NO ONE WILL TRANSFER FREE TO ITS COUNTRY
        FREE WILL NOT SETTLE
        MONEY 18000 A MONTH WILL NOT DELIVER
  24. sa-ag
    sa-ag 1 December 2015 13: 04 New
    +9
    Quote: Glot
    To me personally, THREE THESE these "brothers" from Ukraine have been breaking off work, lowering the RFP, tightening the schedule, etc. .. THREE ONLY kakly, not counting ALL the rest: Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Moldavians, Belarusians, Abkhazians ...
    And not for me alone. Alas.

    Alas, I would say a substitution of concepts, they reduced your salary, tightened the schedule or refused at all, not some "Ukrainians" or other representatives of the near abroad, no, this was done by people with a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation, whose practice is to attract cheap workers forces from abroad lobbied by the same representatives of business and government, with the same passports of citizens of the Russian Federation
    1. Glot
      Glot 1 December 2015 13: 15 New
      0
      Alas, I would say a substitution of concepts, they reduced your salary, tightened the schedule or refused at all, not some "Ukrainians" or other representatives of the near abroad, no, this was done by people with a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation, whose practice is to attract cheap workers forces from abroad lobbied by the same representatives of business and government, with the same passports of citizens of the Russian Federation


      Yes, of course they’re not exactly them, it’s not exactly what I put it BUT, thanks to IM.
      And much of this essence for me does not change.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 1 December 2015 13: 29 New
        +7
        Quote: Glot
        much of this essence for me does not change.

        It’s a pity, remember, when a magician wants to pull a rabbit out of his hat, he distracts the attention of the audience with a certain movement, and power with the electorate needs an image of the enemy, today one, tomorrow another, but always on the side
        1. Glot
          Glot 1 December 2015 13: 55 New
          +2
          It’s a pity, remember, when a magician wants to pull a rabbit out of his hat, he distracts the attention of the audience with a certain movement, and power with the electorate needs an image of the enemy, today one, tomorrow another, but always on the side


          No, I understand everything perfectly about Power. And about distraction and stuff. Us "look away" constantly. It is clear.
          But my personal say so, "relations with brothers" of all kinds over the last ... 25 years ... already this image has been clearly and clearly indicated.
          And I will not say that everything is polls - enemies, no. But in the mass, not brothers.
          A real example, fresh literally.
          I already brought him here somehow.
          I am going through our market. We have only one Khokhlushka saleswoman there.
          It’s worth a handful of them 5-6 and they talk about how well it would be good to transmit all this Rus with f **** tanks, just to get to the Kremlin and transfer.
          They ** ki work on my land, my country gives them the opportunity to live, and they talk about how we are all tanks. Reasoning standing on our earth!
          What should I have to do with them?
          Or is it Putin to them these words put into their mouths rotten ?!
          This is a small example.
          I assure you, I can bring a lot of them, from personal experience, not only of such arguments, but also about how they, when they arrived here, "broke ridges" to the local population with work and other things ... But I won’t. To nothing. Many already see and know everything.
          And what, for this I have to kiss them and my Power to groan?
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 1 December 2015 18: 29 New
            +6
            You're right. Also faced with such an attitude and just such conversations.
            So this shoot is a New Bandera generation, they have been taught for 25 years, they put Russia into their heads - the enemy. So they learned.
            There are other completely sane people who do not want in the EU, but in Russia, and with Russia. These people can’t be repelled. There are no simple, unambiguous solutions.
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  25. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 1 December 2015 14: 24 New
    12
    They piled everything in one heap in the comments ... With us (Penza) who wanted to stay, they got citizenship in 6 months ... The “pondering” people still go, enough to feed them.
    It is not clear why Aleksander is minus ... he is talking about RUSSIAN !!! outside of Russia ... I personally lived in a military town for a while in childhood during a time in the USSR, in one of the Union republics ... And you young imagine minusers HOW MUCH! the former “brothers" have the military towns left? Maybe military pensioners from our site will not let you LIE SO MUCH! officers and warrant officers with families remained over the hill after the collapse of the Union. And families of specialists? Give passports RUSSIAN !!! I personally talked with trying to get back ... to break through all the bureaucratic barriers is hell. And that Depardieu or smoked boxer is more important than Russian? By the way, sent by the Motherland to these lands! And how can "the Russians not leave their own!"?
    We have a huge territory ... thousands of extinct villages. Return the Russians home! There is still someone to return.
    1. Glot
      Glot 1 December 2015 14: 33 New
      +3
      We have a vast territory ... thousands of extinct villages. Returning Russians home!


      That's just, I doubt that they will go there. The villages are extinct. To restore and raise ... Oh, I doubt it ...
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 1 December 2015 15: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Glot
        That's just, I doubt that they will go there. The villages are extinct. To restore and raise ... Oh, I doubt it ...

        Everyone will not go, those who worked on the earth will not make a difference
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    3. your1970
      your1970 1 December 2015 22: 11 New
      0
      but really, how many are left there and why?
      In Central Asia, after the 90’s massacre in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan, there were very few. In Kazakhstan, they didn’t cut it, they tactfully hinted “Sell an inexpensive apartment, throw it all the same,” and at night they poured gasoline on the door.
      The Baltic states? "Why do the" non-citizens "do not want to come to us! They are offended there, but they still do not want to?
      So - how much is left there and why?
  26. Roust
    Roust 1 December 2015 14: 25 New
    +1
    It was time to decide who you are, with whom you are and where you will raise children.
  27. 23424636
    23424636 1 December 2015 15: 05 New
    0
    the cunning article is clearly the author of PR. In Donbass, not freeloaders in the bulk, but hard workers, and if this non-Russian Romanadovsky compares the inhabitants of Donbass with immigrants from Asia, then he is deeply mistaken. Just the lazy and accustomed to light grandmothers Moscow caste has long degraded and became worse than the Kiev greeters. Let people return home to Donbass, but you Muscovites at least provide the region with gasoline. By the way, a miner in the face in Snezhnoye receives 6-7 thousand Russian rubles per month. We need this Romadovsky to go there in a lava of 50 cm in height for a day so that fellow countrymen may fall in love
    1. Glot
      Glot 1 December 2015 15: 20 New
      +3
      Let people return home to Donbass, but you Muscovites at least provide the region with gasoline.


      In, again we have to. Well, at least give something. laughing

      By the way, a miner in the face in Snezhnoye receives 6-7 thousand Russian rubles per month


      Is this a claim to Moscow?

      We need this Romadovsky there in the lava of 50 cm in height for a day to bard


      And do not want to ask Poroshenko to go for a walk, Yaytsenyuk and others?
      What does Romadanovsky have to do with it? Ahh, again, "the oaths are to blame." smile
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    3. your1970
      your1970 1 December 2015 22: 13 New
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      "Let people return home to Donbass, but you Muscovites at least provide the region with gasoline."
      We all must again .......
  28. Stoler
    Stoler 1 December 2015 15: 13 New
    +2
    Maidan HOME !!! Bloggers dodgers valiant APU-HOME !!! Ukrainians are parasitic in Russia-HOME !!! Tidy up your home or live there with your "HEROES" !!!!
  29. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 1 December 2015 15: 20 New
    +4
    Quote: Glot
    And do not appeal to a certain brotherhood. They are brothers to us while it is favorable to them, while they can have something from us. Once it becomes unprofitable, you will see the faces of these "brothers."

    You have no brothers! Dollar to you brother and matchmaker! It was such an attitude of people towards each other that destroyed the USSR, suddenly all became strangers. Ass to ass and in different directions.
    Quote: Glot
    That's just, I doubt that they will go there. The villages are extinct.

    And who the hell did they see visitors from the countries of the former USSR in such villages? But in general in the villages there are a lot of them? Here in Moscow in the Moscow region and other big cities, their dawn! Our librarians pushed the population from the villages, and someone thinks that someone will go? Where is there no work? Where there are no schools, kindergartens, kindergartens, hospitals, no nichrome. The village in Russia is dying out!
    1. Glot
      Glot 1 December 2015 15: 30 New
      +4
      You have no brothers! Dollar to you brother and matchmaker! It was such an attitude of people towards each other that destroyed the USSR, suddenly all became strangers. Ass to ass and in different directions.


      Not a dollar, a ruble with us, a ruble ...
      And about assholes ... So it's not us, from us all broke in 91st.
      And not the Russians shouted here: the Baltic states - out, crest - out, Uzbek - out and so on. And THERE, there everyone was screaming - the Russians over there. Everything became independent at once, the "black seas" began to dig. Who was the first to show us US ass?
      That then !!!

      And who the hell did they see visitors from the countries of the former USSR in such villages? But in general in the villages there are a lot of them? Here in Moscow in the Moscow region and other big cities, their dawn! Our librarians pushed the population from the villages, and someone thinks that someone will go? Where is there no work? Where there are no schools, kindergartens, kindergartens, hospitals, no nichrome. The village in Russia is dying out!


      And this is because in the village it is necessary to FILL in the literal and figurative sense. And in the office, in the desk, buy / sell without much effort, chopping three to five times more than in the village is possible. So plowmen and milkmaids rushed through the cities and offices. So the collapse went to the villages.
      Yes, with the connivance of the authorities, back in the 90s when the authorities sold and drank the country! And nobody blames the authorities for this. But no one wanted to plow ...
      So the village is dying. And it will become extinct if the Authority does not radically and quickly solve this problem.
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  30. LEX SU
    LEX SU 1 December 2015 15: 57 New
    +5
    In my opinion, the landfill has already gone ...
    YES I agree that all Russians from abroad must be returned
    I myself would be in such a situation ... my grandmother was tired of walking on PVA and went back to Kyrgyzstan
    BUT HOW TO RETURN ???
    HOW DO CRITERIA ???
    all are tolerant
    write in the requirements for citizenship - the Orthodox religion - is impossible! intolerant
    knowledge of the Russian language at the level of grade 9 (8) is also impossible - again very tough
    Do you consider yourself Russian (in the profile) - again you can’t
    (in the State Duma they somehow discussed this)

    I would introduce such points ... but then I
  31. KBR109
    KBR109 1 December 2015 16: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: 23424636
    the cunning article is clearly the author of PR. In Donbass, not freeloaders in the bulk, but hard workers, and if this non-Russian Romanadovsky compares the inhabitants of Donbass with immigrants from Asia, then he is deeply mistaken. Just the lazy and accustomed to light grandmothers Moscow caste has long degraded and became worse than the Kiev greeters. Let people return home to Donbass, but you Muscovites at least provide the region with gasoline. By the way, a miner in the face in Snezhnoye receives 6-7 thousand Russian rubles per month. We need this Romadovsky to go there in a lava of 50 cm in height for a day so that fellow countrymen may fall in love
    Prince-Caesar boyar Romodanovsky F.Yu. (1640-1717) truly turned over in the grave from the statements of such an illiterate and peremptory descendant.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 1 December 2015 16: 51 New
      0
      The second Romodanovsky is simply an official, the head of the Federal Migration Service, enforcing the laws of the Russian Federation. Does he have to buy gasoline for you? Claim your Parliament is not yours, by the way, fellow State.
  32. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 1 December 2015 16: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: Glot
    the ruble is ours, the ruble ..
    yes, and the ruble is the same)
    Quote: Glot
    So it's not us, from us all rushed in the 91st.
    And not the Russians shouted here: the Baltic states - out, crest - out, Uzbek - out and so on. And THERE, there everyone was screaming - the Russians over there.
    it’s not quite so, such "maidanschiki" of that time shouted and screamed a thousand from millions, you don’t have to cut everyone under one comb. In Russia they shouted and screamed the same thing, Tatarstan wanted to secede, Chechnya, Siberia more precisely wanted a small handful to separate from the entire population, some of them for money, some for dope. Exactly the same "Ukrainian scheme" So with the collapse of the USSR, there were traitors and their accomplices, that% of those 10% who voted against the country in a referendum.
    Quote: Glot
    So plowmen and milkmaids rushed through the cities and offices. So the collapse went to the villages.

    Yes, many were happy to stay and collective farms collapsed, and state policy is aimed at buying food abroad, but it’s difficult for a private trader to go to the market even now in the era of “import substitution” and where outbids for a pittance take everything away (look who sells Ryazan cucumbers and Tambov potatoes). So there is no need to stipulate simple village workaholics. In order to develop a village, it is necessary that the state’s policy is aimed at supporting its peasant, and not vice versa.
  33. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 1 December 2015 17: 01 New
    +5
    Those who wanted to formalize and found their status and work. At our enterprise several people work. Normal guys work well ... and to put it mildly, they have a negative attitude to the current government in Ukraine. Some of them have already decided to connect the future with Russia, while others are still pondering.
    But, these people live and work according to the laws of the country where they arrived, unlike a number of Svidomo who arrived in the wake of refugees in Russia, and who believed that they owed their life to Russia. Moreover, this audience is mostly not from Donetsk and Lugansk areas, but quite from other places.
  34. Captain45
    Captain45 1 December 2015 20: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: Aleksandr1959
    Those who wanted to formalize and found their status and work.

    That's right, you say, Alexander. Now I’m watching the news on Ren-TV, the plot is the fight against ice in Moscow, the State Duma building, the steps are being cleaned by the janitor SHUHRAT VAKHOBOV, he does not speak Russian very cleanly, but works in the State Duma laughing . So, whoever wants it will find both work and status. I wonder why, after all, SHUKHRAT, and not Ivan Ivanov? Zapadlo? Then do not shout that "thieves seized all the places and hissed hoping for luck" (c) V.S. Vysotsky. I will remember that for 7-8 there was some kind of show on the topic of work in Moscow. The director of the trolleybus park spoke and said that about 80% of the drivers in his park are residents of Kharkov and Zaporozhye, I didn’t remember the salary then but something 30 thousand rubles. When the host asked the audience in the studio who wants to go to work for such a salary, not a single hand The audience is all Muscovites, they’ll break into it for that kind of money. They’d better be ten with a khrushchevka-khushchevka of all relatives and they’ll clog up with St. Bernard, and they will rent their apartments. But they’re in the front ranks for human rights I thought whom the svidomye remind me with their requirements - GIVE! Then I remembered, the Muscovites behaved in the same way in the 90-x-beginning of the 2000-x. I often went on business trips in the capital then, I saw everything with my own eyes.
    1. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 1 December 2015 20: 20 New
      0
      Captain45Stopudovo agree with you!
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  35. Captain45
    Captain45 1 December 2015 20: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: 23424636
    Just a lazy and accustomed to light grandmothers Moscow caste for a long time degraded and became worse than Kiev tolmudchikov.

    good Agree
    1. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 1 December 2015 20: 18 New
      +1
      Yes, I know this system. Both my son and daughter work in Moscow, and in decent positions. And the daughter has to subordinate her subordinates periodically for non-performance ... and so on. And it’s Muscovites. And her former boss, a German, who hails from the former GDR, taught her a tough attitude. Once taught a master class ... she abruptly understood how to lead.
  36. Boris1982
    Boris1982 1 December 2015 22: 15 New
    +4
    The majority of commentators have no idea about the realities of obtaining Russian citizenship! For Russian people, it (obtaining citizenship) is more complicated than in any other countries including the United States. For example, the fact of birth on the territory of the Russian Federation (RSFSR) almost does not bring any real benefits! (reduction of residence permit time to one year). Surprisingly, the fact is that Russianness of a person has no influence whatsoever on obtaining citizenship. That is, it is equally difficult to obtain citizenship and not a Russian terrorist and a Russian refugee by birth. With such legislation on citizenship, the FMS is not a shield on the paths of undesirable elements entering the territory of the Russian Federation, but simply a self-supporting organization for obtaining additional funds to the budget.
  37. bad
    bad 2 December 2015 00: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: Belgorod
    Do you need a passport? Come come the necessary procedures and go ahead Or did you take the red carpet, bread and salt?


    You have already laid the red carpet for the Asians and Caucasians who inhabit Russia today, and due procedures rather, they will lead you.
    You read better reports FMS-How many migrants Russia needs to import annuallyto at least not die out and pay pensions.
    Not Russian foreign countries, but Russia itself must run along b. republics, inviting Russian-speaking youth to empty universities and colleges, to vacant jobs, this is necessary, first of all, to herself
    ..ag ... schaz ... just stroke the laces ... look out the window, we don’t raise the dust and run around the former republics, we invite ?? .. my neighbor from Kazakhstan came to 93em with a bare ass two kids, his wife, and the old mother ..rad was that he came alive and kept his family .. they’ve taken away everything that was acquired .. stupidly taken away .. took care of any work and plowed like a Negro, lived the dashing 90s and got up .. bought normal housing, the children are attached .. now on he’s still working pensions .. when he arrived for more than a year he filled out documents, but did not drink too much and snot didn’t come out .. and believe me a lot .. whoever has a head and hands not from the ass will take root in Russia .. unequivocally .. not freebies will be .. who wants freebies let him go to his historical homeland .. about young people I’ll add .. we have a border city with Kazakhstan .. a lot of mixed marriages .. and in the decay and nursery there is a queue, and on September 1st there are no fewer children than in the USSR. Are we dying out? -HELL FUCK WAIT!
  38. michajlo
    michajlo 2 December 2015 02: 13 New
    +1
    Welcome all!

    Part 1.

    The topic of the article is very IMPORTANT, at least for me personally, the author of Roman, I already know in absentia from the communication here on the site, however, according to the general mood and his conclusions about migrant Ukrainians, refugees and the fact that many Ukrainian citizens have not decided what do they WANT TO BECOME CITIZENS OF RUSSIA or just wait time, how will the situation turn ?!
    - I personally in the majority of theses and conclusions of Roman - I do not agree!

    In my personal opinion, the author of the article, my esteemed Roman, tried to grasp the immensity within the framework of one short article
    и
    JUST pulled various examples,
    mixed everything and everyone together,
    and writes about his personal findings,
    about citizens of Ukraine who are incapable of obtaining Russian citizenship who do not want to go and simply get it in accordance with the current legislation of the Russian Federation (in the opinion of the author of the article, Roman)
    unnecessary and invaluable (by them citizens of Ukraine) CITIZENSHIP OF RUSSIA !?

    Before writing about the fact that such and any citizens of NON-RUSSIA do NOT want to either be lazy or wait, just to not receive CITIZENSHIP of the Russian Federation, I would just recommend first to ROMAN himself,
    do not waste finger strokes on PC keys but simply,
    before ESTIMATING the desire or unwillingness of FOREIGN CITIZENS (former citizens of the USSR, but not directly of the RF of the former USSR, since they have IMPORTANT BENEFITS in the procedures for obtaining Russian citizenship under the law),
    I WILL PERSONALLY get citizenship in any country (the former USSR or Europe, the world, AND ONLY BECAUSE, PERSONALLY COMPARING all the procedures, time, requirements and costs of obtaining CITIZENSHIP of another COUNTRY), again ON YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, compare countries, desires and financial opportunities of foreign citizens that do not have exemptions and PREFERENCES under the law (the same other benefits and rights) GET Russian citizenship ...

    Продолжение следует ...
    Michael, Smolensk / Pskov.
  39. michajlo
    michajlo 2 December 2015 02: 23 New
    +2
    Part 2.

    Since the novel’s article is simple for the author,
    TOPIC RECEIVING CITIZENS simply Ukraine (not with registration of Lugansk and Donetsk regions) - To me personally it seems like doing work to build up passions and distract the attention of VO members from other, no less important, problems of Russia ...

    I completely agree with the author Roman, that many citizens of Ukraine have not yet decided, with the fact
    - "Do they want to live in Russia FOR RUSSIA"
    - or "just wait out troubled times"
    - Or "earn extra rubles."

    But I don’t think it’s worth cutting all the citizens of Ukraine “to the same curve as the author of the article,” since Roman, aside from me, will be objected by many foreign citizens and not only Ukraine that the process of OBTAINING Russian citizenship itself determines that there is NO DESIRE FOR LIVING AND WORK IN RUSSIA and for RUSSIA (as in my particular case), and the financial opportunities to FAST pay all legal procedures and ALL ILLEGAL COSTS for FAST (much shorter than the period described in the legislation of the Russian Federation) RECEIPT OF CITIZENSHIP MONEY,
    - most of which GET
    - "not the state budget of the Russian Federation"
    and "different FMS officials,"
    - "registration merchants",
    - "registration lawyers and law firms",
    but all these procedures are ONLY FOR FOREIGNERS WITH COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL FUNDS
    but NOT simple, albeit often qualified and experienced specialists,
    - which are SIMPLY unable to fulfill on time AND PAY all the requirements of the legislation of the Russian Federation for obtaining a PRV, residence permit and citizenship of the Russian Federation.

    Therefore, if the author Roman indiscriminately, quickly and thoughtlessly draws conclusions about the unwillingness of the majority of Ukrainian citizens to obtain Russian citizenship and live and work in the Russian Federation,

    - Let him first write here as part of the discussion of his article,
    - in what terms
    - and WHAT official payments
    A foreign citizen (not only from Ukraine) SHOULD NOT IMPLEMENT rights and benefits (and this, according to the laws of the Russian Federation, IS ONLY citizens of Ukraine with Donetsk and Lugansk who can obtain refugee status and QUICKLY / somewhere in 6 months really /).
  40. michajlo
    michajlo 2 December 2015 02: 30 New
    +3
    Part 3.

    Then let the author of the article ROMAN write in detail:
    - why a foreigner will live in Russia,
    - how much does it cost to rent an apartment or room,
    - where he can OFFICIALLY WORK or unofficially as a third of Russians, "unofficially work"
    - HOW and for how many thousands of rubles per month FOR MONTHLY PAYMENTS or ONE-TIME PAYMENT OF CASH CASH ...

    Since, for example, in my personal example from the summer-autumn of 2015,
    Var 1) just 2.000r / month = 72.000rub / for 3 years

    or

    Var 2)
    for 5.000r / month = 180.000rub for 3 years BEFORE the doors of the FMS,
    the owner of the OFFICIAL real estate (with a Russian passport and home book), “generously agree” to this c * early Registration provide...

    Since specifically in the case described above, specifically after receiving the RVP on June 30, 2015, I didn’t have that amount (72.000 rubles for 3 years, then a certain Tatyana from Vyazma) "- without tearing three skins from a naked sheep" / me in this case /, special delay for 5 days of the negotiation deadlines,
    called me directly and hatred in 2 long SMSs by Bandera, Bandit, Homeless,
    but to my reminder that I’m a Subcarpathian Rusin, "not Svidomo Ukrainian",
    just wrote how she hates all of us West-Ukrainians (though before the same hatred did not interfere with her drive me by the nose for 5 days and try to rob me at 72.000r).

    Well, for those who are interested, including the author of the article by Roman, I’ll just clarify that the period limited by law is 7 slaves. or 9 in a given month, calendar days FOR REGISTRATION after receiving a RVP!

    Otherwise, the foreigner is only waiting for:
    1) Admin Violation,
    2) fingerprinting (as with a felon),
    3) Admin Fine (from 2 to 5.000 rubles
    4) OR SAME Cancellation of the RVP itself ?!

    And I was able to register myself "at an acceptable and Christian price" as much as 18-Sep-2015, 2,5 months after receiving the RVP, with the same design of Admin Violation, Removal of Imprints and for some reason without Admin Penalty,
    - but with the accustomed officials, (just a captain), for the BLOODY, UNLIMITED, ZANOSCHIVCH, HAMOVATY and GREEDY FOR BRIBES.
    - attempts to frighten me with Deportation,
    - languishing in the corridor for only 3 hours (from 8 to 12 hours in Sub,
    and I was at the FMS in Chet and Pyat with the landlady of the apartment, who agreed to PRESCRIBE me.

    It is true in this case, after her empty threats and her calls to the OblFMS to check my words that the citizens of Ukraine (UNSWISE) are NOT deported due to the threat to their lives, and perhaps finding out how many of her “impudent and illiterate colleagues” are in the OblFMS ,
    I already in the winter of 2014-2015. I wrote Complaints to the OblFMS, promising in writing to the Deputy Chief OblFMS that I would write the next statement already in the Procurator and not OblFMS,
    for some reason, changing the formidable tone to sympathetic and maternal, finally after 3 days walking in the district FMS (Leninsky district of Smolensk, 33 Nakhimova St., room 5),
    - Put me and Filled out the Registration stamp (p. 18 of my passport of a citizen of Ukraine).

    Maybe EXACTLY about economic aspects,
    OBSTACLES to a simple, quick and possibly LESS EXPENSIVE procedure for obtaining RVP, residence permit and citizenship of the Russian Federation,
    It would be worth writing to me personally to the esteemed author Roman
    and TUPO "do not mix apples with pears" (the last is the Slovak proverb of stupid "about comparing meters with kilograms").

    Michael, Smolensk / Pskov.
    1. Boris1982
      Boris1982 2 December 2015 18: 26 New
      +3
      That's right, although not completely !!! You can also add about the rules of living according to RVP, namely, to have during your stay the OFFICIAL legal income for each family member is not lower than the living wage. For example, for a family with three children and an unworkable wife, the head of the family in Sevastopol must have an income of at least 42 rubles. While the average income in the city, if we exclude the military and the administration, is 000 rubles. Or termination of RWP and deportation. At the same time, for the FMS, it’s absolutely all the same Russian you are not Russian. How are you doing in Ukraine. What kind of specialist are you and how tight in Russia are with such specialists. (Not all specialties can be occupied not by citizens).
      This is me so offhand about problems with citizenship for the Russian people.
  41. michajlo
    michajlo 3 December 2015 00: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Boris 1982
    That's right, although not completely !!! You can also add about the rules of living according to RVP, namely, to have during your stay the OFFICIAL legal income for each family member is not lower than the living wage. For example, for a family with three children and an unworkable wife, the head of the family in Sevastopol must have an income of at least 42 rubles. While the average income in the city, if we exclude the military and the administration, is 000 rubles. Or termination of RWP and deportation. At the same time, for the FMS, it’s absolutely all the same Russian you are not Russian. How are you doing in Ukraine. What kind of specialist are you and how tight in Russia are with such specialists. (Not all specialties can be occupied not by citizens).
    This is me so offhand about problems with citizenship for the Russian people.


    Welcome all!

    Boris completely agree with you!

    Next year, I personally (this is June-Aug-2016) will SHOULD provide the above-mentioned official of the FMS with a certificate number "some" stating that over the past 12 months from receiving the RVP, I had an OFFICIAL income OVER min7 minimum living wage in the Russian Federation at the time of June 2015 (i.e. 10-11.000r / month) ...

    I can write about this to everyone, boast or cry already in the summer of 2016.

    These are the "ECONOMIC REALITIES of legalization and settling of citizens of Ukraine" (without registration of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions. That is, who do not have privileges for obtaining citizenship).

    All other fabrications, insinuations, gossip, lies and rumors
    - in my personal opinion and PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
    - it’s just a chatter or ORDERED FALSE AND FORCE OF HATE FOR FOREIGNERS,
    COMING FROM CERTAIN STATE INSTITUTIONS or "private individuals / rich" of Russia ...

    If someone from the members of the VO forum found in my personal opinion inaccuracies, subjectivity,
    I ask you to point out my inaccuracies, distortions and errors.

    Otherwise, inventions and "inaccuracies" * (deliberate falsehood), leave it with you ...


    Michael, Smolensk / Pskov.