Indonesia buys twelve Su-35 in Russia

The Indonesian government has approved the purchase in Russia of 12-ti multi-purpose fighter Su-35, reports the blog bmpd with reference to the commander of the Air Force Agus Supriatnu.

“I read the document sent to the Ministry of Defense from BAPPENAS (National Development Planning Agency). The acquisition of the Su-35 has already been approved by the Minister of Defense, ”Supriatna told reporters.

The Defense Ministry offered the government to evaluate two options: the Lockheed Martin F-16V (Viper "Viper") fighter and the Su-35. Other aircraft were not considered. “The choice was made in favor of the Su-35 due to the advancement of its technology and proximity in type to the Su-30MK2 fighters in service with the Indonesian Air Force,” the commander in chief said.

“Based on the calculations of the existing budget, we can only buy 12 Su-35. But I am pleased with the decision, ”he added.

The government allocated $ 3,1 billion for the purchase of aircraft

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

somehow uncomfortable from such news. I understand that oil prices have fallen, and Russia is trying to get out of oil dependence and sell high-tech products. But still, with the situation recently, not at ease like that.

[Vikings]

Share it and I will ease your sinful soul! Don’t be shy.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Vikings

Indonesia buys twelve Su-35 in Russia

Here it is. What I told you about.
There were many opponents (here in the VO) for China to buy Su-35s from us. http://topwar.ru/86475-rossiya-i-kitay-podpisali-kontrakt-na-postavku-partii-sam
oletov-su-35.html

Such an automatic delivery forces neighbors to buy a fighter no worse or equivalent.

We loop the market on ourselves. And the more the merrier.

[just exp]

and if you look at the price of the contract, it seems that our guys have been bumped into grandmas, or there is also infrastructure and training with other works included.

[APASUS]

Quote: just EXPL

and if you look at the price of the contract, it seems that our guys have been bumped into grandmas, or there is also infrastructure and training with other works included.

As a rule, 2 spare engines, a complex of ground equipment, after-sales service, training of pilots and ground personnel go to the aircraft. It all depends on the depth of the contract, in some cases, local repair and installation of local equipment can be provided. Additional conditions for modernization are possible. So the contract may well have additional options
The main thing here is that some partners shouldn’t leave us another nasty thing, because their F-16 was lost to our Su. And how they can get in from the rear, they all saw perfectly well on the example of the same scandal with Volkswagen or how correctly Dominic Strauss-Kahn was framed

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Excess cash injections into the BUDGET will not be. . . that's for sure.

[cniza]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Excess cash injections into the BUDGET will not be. . . that's for sure.

For science, for new developments and for the construction of new aircraft.

[dorz]

As Ford said: "We sell cars to people, and then they buy parts for them all their lives." The main thing is to catch the Indonesians on the hook.

[veksha50]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Excess cash injections into the BUDGET will not be. . . that's for sure.

Well, only the tax part of the profits in this transaction will go to the budget ... However, working capital will generate a lot of money for working capital and development ... So, the flight is normal ...

[GoHardLikePutin]

Do not you know what's wrong with selling the Su-35 Indonesia? We do not have a common border, they do not threaten us with anything, we put them into our armament. This is great news.

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: GoHardLikePutin

Do not you know what's wrong with selling the Su-35 Indonesia? We do not have a common border, they do not threaten us with anything, we put them into our armament. This is great news.

Well, they still didn’t call me a whiner, I’m just here these whiners on the site constantly chasing.

[kodxnumx]

Congratulations to the Indonesian Air Force on a great choice!

[Mera joota]

Quote: GoHardLikePutin

Do not you know what's wrong with selling the Su-35 Indonesia? We do not have a common border, they do not threaten us with anything, we put them into our armament. This is great news.

On the one hand, if not on credit, but for real money, then it is undoubtedly good luck (even though part of it will have to be rolled back). Indonesia, on the other hand, is an ally of the United States in that region. The Indonesian Air Force regularly participates in joint exercises with the US Air Force, where American pilots practice air combat with them.

[Tor5]

It is comforting that Indonesia is far away and even "if something happens", these cars will not reach us by definition.

[Yuriy3005]

Nobody canceled bookmarks. I think both the Indonesis and the very Chinese understand this very well. Strengthening the air forces of China and Indonesia will automatically force the Vietnamese and Malaysians to strengthen. So, we will ship our plants in full for the next 5-7 years ahead, and with this money we will bring the T-50 to mind and set up its mass production

[Denis Obukhov]

Some Western bydogazetenka wrote. that besides Indonesia, no one needs the Su-35. And then the Chinese bought it, all in one month.

[LEX SU]

Indonesia just because of China bought ...
China's controversial islands and ambitions are forcing an answer ...
waiting for more comers ...
sorry Taiwan on the hook at omeriki ... and so would have stocked up with pleasure Sushki

[veksha50]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Some Western bydogazetenka wrote. that besides Indonesia, no one needs the Su-35.

And you do not read such newspapers in the morning or before bedtime - and your appetite will not deteriorate ...

[avt]

Quote: Sith Lord

. But still, with the situation recently, not at ease like that.

Yes, everything is fine, for this money it is necessary to raise and hang something new, hypersonic on all the existing ones.

[veksha50]

Quote: Sith Lord

I understand that oil prices have fallen, and Russia is trying to get out of oil dependence and sell high-tech products. But still, with the situation recently, not at ease like that.

Well, Indonesia, at least, is not an enemy to us ... Moreover, our Su-30s are there ...

And 3,1 billion tugriks on the earth do not wallow ... And this is only the sale, and there, after all, further service, if you like it, if you want it, it will follow ...

After all, the United States is not afraid to sell its planes ... They almost impose them on their "partners" ...

PS It’s unfortunate, of course, that they are exporting, but we have handled them once or twice ... But it’s better that way than nothing ...

[Mera joota]

Quote: veksha50

Well, Indonesia, at least, is not our enemy ...

Well, how can I say ... Indonesian Muslims are Sunnis and many Indonesian volunteers are fighting in Syria not for Assad, but for Daesh, he’s the IG.

[Sergei1982]

Didn’t they finally finished off the Su-35, since orders went for it.

[izya top]

and I thought something, that there the Yankees of the 35th f want to shove

[i80186]

Quote: izya top

and I thought something, that there the Yankees of the 35th f want to shove

Well, about five would not hurt, for experiments. Just do not sell.

[Taranchello]

Yeah! 200 lyam for one F-35. Our weapons, no matter what they say, have the best price-quality ratio in the world, so everyone who is far from NATO and the patronage of exceptional ones, naturally, I make a choice in favor of our weapon !!!

[Mera joota]

Quote: Taranchello

Yeah! 200 lyam for one F-35. Our weapons, no matter what they say, have the best price-quality ratio in the world

If you know how to use a calculator, then you can probably find out how much Indonesia will pay for one Su-35. 3,1 billion for 12 cars ... well?

[Anatole]

Wildebeest This is a general 5 year budget for aviation, not only 12 Su are included there.

[venaya]

The choice was made in favor of the Su-35 due to the advanced technology

I hope that at least with Indonesia we have no problems, and it will not be superfluous to develop and finance our defense industry.

[kg pv]

We and Turkey did not have problems for a long time ...

[veksha50]

Quote: kg pv

We and Turkey did not have problems for a long time ...

Hmm ... If you follow this logic, then we generally should not trade with anyone, nor even communicate ...

[Vikings]

Quote: venaya

The choice was made in favor of the Su-35 due to the advanced technology

I hope that at least with Indonesia we have no problems, and it will not be superfluous to develop and finance our defense industry.

Hope for GOD, but do not blunder yourself!

[Ze Kot]

"Based on the current budget calculations, we can only buy 12 Su-35s"

And how much F-16 for this money?

[BaLaLaykin]

but our "friends" do not like such sales, the substance flowed onto the fans:
Strategy Page: Russia will sell Su-35 to Indonesia - nobody needs them anymore

Original news from InoTV:
https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2015-09-25/Strategy-Page-Rossiya-prodast-Su-35

[GoHardLikePutin]

But what about the purchase of 24 aircraft in China?

[shans2]

The Americans were liquidated with their f-35s ...

[pavelty]

good contract.

[Wedmak]

Each Su-35 sold is an approximation of the PAK FA series. Critics of the Su-35 deal, wake up, in Russia, the 5 generation fighter is being tested in Russia. Well, what other technologies can the same Chinese steal, besides already stolen?
And such deals, these are jobs, this is an application for a large market share of multi-functional fighters, this is respect for Russian weapons.

Strategy Page: Russia will sell Su-35 to Indonesia - nobody needs them anymore

Yes, they didn’t ask you. Your F-35 is also something few people take.

[shans2]

it has not yet been finalized, and moreover, will go into the final series only in 19, not earlier.

[Wedmak]

will go to the final series only in 19 year, not earlier.

What does the final series mean? We bought the same 48 pieces. And they do. But not finalized - how is it? What does not know how?
Threat. In 19, PAK FA will come in handy.

[shans2]

t 50 will go either at the end of the 16th or at 17m .... but about the year 19 everyone wrote and officially spoke, they only learned how to shoot a gun from a cannon, another 4 years they need to be taught to shoot rockets

[Wedmak]

they only recently learned how to shoot a gun from a cannon, another year 4 must be taught to shoot rockets

Well, I don’t know who they are and why they are talking such nonsense. T-50 has been working at Astrakhan training ground since summer (more precisely, four). The combat use is tested and practiced.

[NEXUS]

The news is ambiguous. There are undercover agreements and interests. On the one hand, money in the treasury is good. On the other hand, it is that the SU-35 is a "raw" machine, not really run in. But in any case, Indonesia will receive these fighters from " truncated "performance characteristics, and therefore I think it's not worth worrying much. Well, defending your market is also not an unimportant fact. If we do not sell weapons, then the adversary will do it for us.

[Wedmak]

On the other hand, it is that the SU-35 is a "raw" car, not really run in.

Already two contracts. Yes, and it comes to our Air Force. Maybe they’ve finished it already? And minor sores are only in operation on the ground and can be found out.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

Already two contracts. Yes, and it comes to our Air Force. Maybe they’ve finished it already? And minor sores are only in operation on the ground and can be found out.

The series is there. 48 machines are already in the Aerospace Forces and another 48 have signed a contract before the 20th year. Small sores usually climb out later with big disasters. Another important point is the time of order execution. I think the main problems and shortcomings have been eliminated, maybe the SU-35 this is a kind of test bench for testing systems that are also on the PAK FA and since the 35th went for export, then work on the T-50 is nearing completion. -30 "to appear (as indicated by the developers) moved to 18 years.

[Wedmak]

Well, then everything is right. It turns out that until PAK FA goes into the series, they will buy 30 and 35. Which, however, is also not bad, the production of the series still needs to be deployed, then the training of pilots, the break-in in the troops — there will be work on the ears.
Even the engine of the first stage shows very, very good characteristics. This is from the words of Bogdan.
So I do not see any disaster with the sale of Su-35. It is one thing to buy and fly, another to make ourselves. So just technology is not copied.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

It is one thing to buy and fly, another to make ourselves. So just technology is not copied.

There is one hitch ... with the sale of SU-35, we agreed to sell them 35% of the technology for Indonesia to it. I do not think this is critical, we will give the most secret know-how to them, but the sale of technology in conjunction with the SU-35 takes place to be.

[Wedmak]

but the sale of technology in conjunction with the SU-35 is the place to be.

Well, something I strongly doubt that they sold the technology for manufacturing turbine blades from a single crystal alloy. Again, well, they sold the technology, recaptured some money for its development. But can customers use it?
Selling technology is not such a rare thing. We also bought patents and technologies in the USA. And they sold there. It’s better to make some money for them than to sit with them like chicken eggs.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

Well, something I strongly doubt that they sold the technology for manufacturing turbine blades from a single crystal alloy. Again, well, they sold the technology, recaptured some money for its development. But can customers use it?

the most secret know-how we will give them

-I meant we WON'T GIVE IT away. I’m sure that we definitely didn’t sell the secret of the alloy of the blades to them. Most likely these are technologies such as making a lamp for a cabin or something like that, that is, some kind of peripheral technology.
Again, the money from the sale will go to further development or modernization of the same equipment in enterprises, which is very good.

[Yak-3P]

look around .. we are surrounded by enemies along the border - Ukrainian chickens - Ottomans - Baltic people - Romania-Bulgaria - Japanese mother .. what is there to hide .. on .. "Moscow" overlaid square .. let send bubble to us on t-50 and t14 .. on satellites .. space is our everything !!!

[kg pv]

Quote: GoHardLikePutin

But what about the purchase of 24 aircraft in China?

24 China, 12 Indonesia, and they themselves have only 40 pieces!

[Wedmak]

and they themselves have only 40 pieces!

How much do you need?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Lalaika

but our "friends" do not like such sales, the substance flowed onto the fans:
Strategy Page: Russia will sell Su-35 to Indonesia - nobody needs them anymore

Original news from InoTV:
https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2015-09-25/Strategy-Page-Rossiya-prodast-Su-35

What they can’t say from the frustration, such a piece of the pie was stolen. Still villains Russian emirates are knocking out.
Viper will not be cheaper, but with the expansion of the range of tasks to be solved, its capabilities are reduced from modification to modification. Su-35 is a good choice, someone will add a headache.

[azesm]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Excess cash injections into the BUDGET will not be. . . that's for sure.

Well, yes, the main thing is that they do not go past the budget into the pocket of any conditional Rotenbergs
http://narodedin.com/post/v-sredu-spch-zajmetsja-problemoj-dalnobojwikov/
I wonder what they decide there? they’ll cover all the road tribute at once, or first wait, torment?

[dchegrinec]

You can often show customers the difference between our aircraft and any others, it is clear that we have advanced technology and it is unlikely that anyone will be able to compete in terms of price and quality.

[Wedmak]

Not in him a little, but still. In Syria, Mi-28Н and Ka-52 are seen. The report shows just a couple of seconds. But you can recognize the silhouette.

[Mera joota]

For those who rub their hands with joy, I consider it necessary to bring the following. Indonesia Ally of the United States and the Indonesian Air Force regularly participates in joint exercises with the US Air Force. If someone does not understand, then I explain. At these exercises, the US Air Force learns to fight with domestic vehicles and the Indonesian and Malaysian Air Force regularly help them in this. Therefore, the sale of Su-35 Indonesia is akin to the sale of F-22 Belarus.
For those who still doubt funny pictures:
In a single formation ...

[Forest]

Another minus the market Lockheed or Boeing.