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Energy independence of Crimea

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In the light of recent events (Ukraine has ceased to supply electricity to the Crimea), the issue of supplying energy to the Crimea peninsula via an energy bridge is becoming increasingly relevant. Yes, of course, the idea is good, the idea is fast, and besides, it will soon be fully implemented.


But another important question arises: is the unfinished Crimean NPP standing next to you, why not put it into operation? Yes, it's expensive, but when it reaches its full capacity at 4000 MW, the Crimea will be completely energy independent, and even power the mainland of Russia.


Crimean NPP during construction

Some of stories: The Crimean NPP is located near the town of Shchelkino in the Crimea on the shore of the salty Aktash reservoir (which was planned to be used as a cooling pond). The design of the plant is of the same type as the existing Balakovo NPP, not brought to the design capacity of the Khmelnitsky NPP, the Rostov NPP and the Temelin NPP. The first design surveys were conducted in 1968 year. Construction started in 1975 year. The station was supposed to provide electricity for the entire Crimean peninsula, as well as create a reserve for the subsequent development of the regional industry - metallurgical, engineering, chemical.

The design capacity of the Crimean NPP 2 GW (2 power unit 1 GW) with the possibility of further capacity increase to 4 GW: a typical project provides for the deployment of power units with WWER-4 / 1000 reactors at the 320 station site.


There was a lot of controversy about the fact that nuclear power is very dangerous. Yes, if it is thoughtlessly managed.

It should also be said about the difference between the Chernobyl NPP and the Crimean NPP - these are different reactors. At the Chernobyl NPP there were reactors of the RBMK series - they are graphite-water. At KNPP, VVER-1000 series reactors were planned - they are water-to-water. And this is a huge difference.

The unfavorable economic situation in the USSR and the catastrophic accident at the fourth power unit of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant 26 on April 1986 led to the fact that by the 1987, construction was first suspended, and in 1989 the final decision was made to refuse to start the station. At this point, 500 million Soviet rubles in 1984 prices were spent on the construction of a nuclear power plant. Materials remained in the warehouses tentatively for 250 million rubles. The station began to slowly take away to the black and non-ferrous scrap metal.

The Crimean nuclear power plant after the collapse of the USSR, being in a high degree of readiness, was abandoned due to the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (readiness of the first power unit - 80%, the second - 18%).


Crimean NPP in 2000's

I always ask myself: why is everything that was created in the USSR criticized? Well, for example, the construction of the Crimean nuclear power plant. Now everyone felt that if she were at work now, there would be no talk of any energy blockade. I would only have to create an energy bridge to the mainland of Russia in order to send the surplus there.

Yes, and by the way, then (if the Crimean nuclear power plant were in operation), it would not be necessary to transfer power from the mainland, for example, in order to put a trolleybus from Kerch to Sevastopol, or even for the railway, if it is fully electrified in Crimea.

As for me, this is a very important argument. Moreover, electricity will be enough not only for a sharp increase in the production capacity of the republic, but for strategic transfer to other regions and even for large-scale projects for the desalination of sea water.

The Crimean nuclear power plant, especially in the conditions of constantly attempted by the Ukrainian authorities to economically block the Crimea, would reliably provide Crimea with energy autonomy - then the impetus for the development of industry and tourism in Crimea would be much higher.

As it became known a few days ago, the reactor vessel was installed in the design position at power unit No. 4 of Rostov NPP. The launch of power unit No. 4 of the Rostov NPP will ensure complete energy security of the south of the country, including the Crimea peninsula.

During the years of the Soviet Union, those who planned such construction projects as the construction of the Crimean nuclear power plant were no fools. It was evident that people made a great start in the future. But alas, we lost a lot.
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  1. prabiz
    prabiz 1 December 2015 11: 59 New
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    Instead of having the Turks build nuclear power plants, it was necessary to build in the Crimea from the beginning! angry
    1. cniza
      cniza 1 December 2015 12: 03 New
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      Quote: prabiz
      Instead of having the Turks build nuclear power plants, it was necessary to build in the Crimea from the beginning! angry



      Better later than never.
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 1 December 2015 12: 07 New
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        There is gas in the Crimea - can it produce electricity on gas? Actually, they plan it! And what about making the peninsula a Russian health resort? The author is fond of gigantism, where you can get by with little effort (relatively). smile

        And in order to revive the nuclear power plant in the Crimea - you need more money than building a new one!
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 1 December 2015 12: 18 New
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          Bombardier RU  Today, 12: 07 And ​​to reanimate the nuclear power plant in Crimea - you need more money than building a new one!


          ,,, this question was raised back in the spring ,,,

          Rosatom also confirmed that it is unrealistic to resume the construction of the Crimean nuclear power plant today. Despite the fact that one of the power units was built on almost 80%, their current state is such that they cannot be restored. In addition, the corporation reminded that the average power consumption in the Crimea is about 800 MW, while the majority of nuclear power plants being built today have 1000 – 1200 MW capacity. So, to build a nuclear power plant producing excess power, not economically feasible.
          http://www.ng.ru/economics/2015-03-25/4_aes.html
          1. Concealer
            Concealer 1 December 2015 13: 33 New
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            Quote: bubalik
            So, to build a nuclear power plant producing excess capacity is not economically feasible.

            The thinking of today. Indeed, why do we need the development of industry, this is a risky investment. You need to invest where everything is already there. Better yet, buy at a cheaper price and sell at a higher price. ;)
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 1 December 2015 16: 34 New
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              Quote: Concealer
              The thinking of today.

              I agree. After the NPP is commissioned, excess energy can be redirected to the Kuban via the same energy bridge.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 1 December 2015 17: 05 New
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                Yes, it’s easier to build a floating nuclear power plant at 2 GW than to complete this old stuff.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 1 December 2015 13: 40 New
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          Gas must not be exported or burned. Gas is a valuable raw material for chemistry.
          1. Bombardier
            Bombardier 1 December 2015 15: 49 New
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            Quote: NordUral
            Gas must not be exported or burned. Gas is a valuable raw material for chemistry.

            Nuclear fuel is not in very large volumes on this planet.
      2. Vend
        Vend 1 December 2015 12: 08 New
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        the unfinished Crimean NPP is standing nearby, why not put it into operation?
        Well, it’s probably not a matter of high cost, but of time. Pull the cable faster. There is a second nuance, sabotage from Ukraine. And there is no Crimea peninsula. Why take the risk. You can build a tidal power station, also an option.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 1 December 2015 12: 16 New
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          Quote: Wend
          Can build a tidal power station


          And where are you going to put the tidal station?
          In the Black Sea, where there are no tides?
          1. andj61
            andj61 1 December 2015 12: 27 New
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            Quote: hydrox
            Quote: Wend
            Can build a tidal power station


            And where are you going to put the tidal station?
            In the Black Sea, where there are no tides?

            good A nuclear power plant in Crimea could provide fresh water to the entire territory of the peninsula, and this is very important, there is no hope for Ukraine in this regard. And it would be possible to make the whole region a blooming garden - when evaluating the economic efficiency, the energy consumption for desalination was not taken into account at all.
            1. am808s
              am808s 1 December 2015 17: 17 New
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              The thing is probably that having built too powerful a nuclear power plant in the Crimea creates surplus electric energy, and they are just useless. Prices will have to be dropped and this is the owner’s knife to the throat.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 1 December 2015 20: 41 New
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                Quote: am808s
                The thing is probably that having built too powerful a nuclear power plant in the Crimea creates surplus electric energy, and they are just useless. Prices will have to be dropped and this is the owner’s knife to the throat.

                In Crimea, any amount of energy can be sent to desalination, it is a giant battery with unlimited potential. There you can develop and develop agriculture.
      3. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 1 December 2015 13: 21 New
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        Instead of having the Turks build nuclear power plants, it was necessary to build in the Crimea from the beginning! angry



        Better later than never.


        Yeah, "later tomorrow comes" Where were the Crimean authorities a year and a half ?? These are not my words, an acquaintance from Sevastopol said ... And the Crimeans are not the same as we are patient, he just said - you need to hang the whole administration on poles so that other brains turn on and work, and do not rub your tongue! Crimea has done so much for Russia - it showed what the Russian spirit is, that we are still a nation of winners, and we don’t have to be “shy” about it! But so stupidly ask ... to win ?? Okay, they didn’t expect from the Turks, but from Ukraine ?? To carry out such an operation in Crimea and Syria in terms of responsiveness and not to calculate basic things? Why didn’t the diesel generators in Kamaz, which we are showing now, be thrown in the winter? Well, and many more why - as Ivanov said today about the construction of an airfield in the Far East, is this not wrecking ??
        1. Anatole
          Anatole 1 December 2015 16: 36 New
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          "Why weren’t the diesel generators in Kamaz that we are now showing us thrown over the winter?" What is the state reserve did not hear not? Or we have a reserve is a cornucopia, as in that joke about the volume of the ball "sonny has no ball in the ball." Reserve capacities for hospitals and basic structures were brought to Crimea in advance, including from the Olympics, everything else is force majeure national scale. To provide in advance with unused reserves for 600 MW of mobile generators, how, where and most importantly how much? Why 20 years ago, with exactly the same outages, when I was in the very Crimea, I did not observe such tantrums. Actually, there were more than one race, they sat the same way, they caught fans to cook at least a little, there were no cell phones, there weren’t any generators either. Indeed, the main thing is that there is a concept that they will soon launch the first line of the "energy bridge". No, I’m not begging the very fact of inconvenience with the “blackout”, and in general, there were blackouts in Magadan, and not in the greenhouse conditions of Crimea, where during the day it was +8 to +19, but at full 3.14ce and frosts. They slept in fur coats, sat wrapped in offices, one noses stuck out, everything froze, right down to pastes in pens. In Russia, there are many regions that exist in very risky environmental conditions, and nature is even more insidious than the "Ukrainians" and everyone needs 100% overlapping reserve capacity in advance? Where is the money zing?
          I have relatives with Ukraine today, and to my great regret they sit around the clock around the Crimea under the guise of a “daughter officer”, having fun with them, are indignant at bringing diarrhea rivers into the mainstream of the apocalypse, and are not embarrassed to catch Crimean response tantrums. They are even proud of themselves that they supposedly contributed to the camp of the enemy.
          And Crimeans are not like us patient You want to convince that people are becoming smaller, I do not believe that all of these sad
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 1 December 2015 23: 53 New
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            What is the state reserve did not hear not? Or we have a reserve is a cornucopia, as in that joke about the volume of the ball "sonny has no ball in the ball." Reserve capacities for hospitals and basic structures were previously brought into the Crimea, including from the Olympics, the rest was a force majeure on a national scale. To provide in advance with unused reserves for 600 MW of mobile generators, how, where and most importantly how much?

            I’m not talking about capacities and reserves, but about the speed of reaction and the ability to calculate the situation. A couple of years ago in the Rostov region there was a collapse from an unprecedented snowfall without a lot of houses left, in our area of ​​the city they gave light on the 7th day, everyone somehow adapted and there was no panic. It was only shown through central channels how difficult it was in Mariupol, where there was no light for 3 or 4 days, and the woman complained that she could not boil milk. Why am I? The Ministry of Emergencies worked disgustingly at that time, they answered some people stuck on the roads - this is not our site! people themselves helped each other - a friend told him 14 people in the house lived from cars stuck near the village. This is about the "people getting smaller" - do not develop the thought for others, there was something completely different - the speed of response and miscalculations in forecasting! Why does our Ministry of Emergency Situations in the event of a cataclysm somewhere far away immediately send both planes and help, but inside it is somehow inhibited sometimes? did not pay attention? As for the Crimea. It borders on an unfriendly, or rather, a hostile Ukraine, which is ready to bring it back with weapons! Wasn't the lesson when they tried to drain it leaving it without water was not learned? And in general it is strange that this explosion was not made earlier. So there is a miscalculation in analytics. hi
        2. trantor
          trantor 2 December 2015 06: 08 New
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          Quote: Yuyuka
          Okay, they didn’t expect from the Turks, but from Ukraine ?? To carry out such an operation in Crimea and Syria in terms of responsiveness and not to calculate basic things?

          No, what are you suggesting, ALL ACCOUNT? So, after all, the situation is far from elementary, but as in a joke about the crested crest and the cunning goldfish. This is when he asked him to knock out his eyes so that his neighbor would become completely blind. This is already some kind of fool, and there patients are not "calculated", but stopped with medication - the process is not instant.
        3. trantor
          trantor 2 December 2015 06: 11 New
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          Quote: Yuyuka
          And Crimeans are not like us patient ... Crimea has done so much for Russia

          With the “patient,” I’m not sure that this is so, but the second statement is precisely controversial. Do not find?
      4. slavik_gross
        slavik_gross 1 December 2015 13: 26 New
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        Today, Crimea needs 850 MW. It will be covered by the 3rd unit of the Rostov NPP 1000 MW. And to increase the power consumption, 4 units will be completed. So that's enough for everyone !!!
      5. kashtak
        kashtak 1 December 2015 16: 27 New
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        Quote: cniza
        Better later than never.

        never better than later.
    2. Maxom75
      Maxom75 1 December 2015 12: 15 New
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      So I wrote that we do not need the Akkuy Turkey NPP, especially since it was planned to invest 20 billion dollars, and it would have reached the payback only after 60 years! The USSR lasted 70 years! Who can guarantee what will be with Turkey in 25 years? I am a supporter of investing in my own country. To build with us and create energy bridges to Turkey, Greece or where else is needed. Let us buy electricity, and the generation is here. Jobs here, technology with us. You have to be pragmatic as Westerners: finished products please, but production and know-how are not.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 1 December 2015 12: 46 New
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        Quote: Maxom75
        So I wrote that we do not need the Akkuy Turkey NPP, especially since it was planned to invest 20 billion dollars, and it would have reached the payback only after 60 years! The USSR lasted 70 years! Who can guarantee what will be with Turkey in 25 years?

        We built factories in Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, restored the GDR industry. And where is all this? I don’t mention the Union republics anymore. I support you completely. Why make your competitors. It turned out that the best friends, the Bulgarians, have also thrown away. And the Turks generally don’t have faith. . I think your opinion is quite justified and support. One must think what to build abroad.
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 1 December 2015 13: 12 New
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          One must think what to build abroad.

          And we have such an approach, we’ll take off our last shirt, give it away so that it would be good for someone! Moreover, for some reason, not everyone takes off a shirt, mainly from the people. I’ll add about the republics - at the end of the 80s I traveled around the republics on business trips - from Estonia I brought cheese, instant coffee, condensed milk. From Central Asia, in general, women sent luggage to the department with sewing machines, several types of washing machines, a month traveling on a business trip on a Tourist bike, and then luggage, and books, shoes, clothes ?? Moreover, imported and all this is not from the counter - in the free market! While in Russian stores none of this happened, well, excluding Moscow and Leningrad. And now - you need to support your people at least by “not raising” the price of gas and electricity, otherwise we’ll return to the fact that Ilyich’s bulb will become a luxury ... Now there are so many kinds of wood stoves at a premium! And quite often I see how the felled trees are loaded into cars - both along the highway and in the city ... request
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 1 December 2015 13: 45 New
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          Abroad, a country can build itself has built everything. Enough to continue the policy of the Union with fraternal assistance to future traitors or enemies. Siberia and the Far East are waiting for a real development, and the European part of Russia too.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 1 December 2015 14: 11 New
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            I don’t know Siberia, and the Far East is being mastered with might and main, only not by Russia, but by China. The Kuranakh deposit of titanomagnetite, the second in the world in terms of reserves and purity of raw materials, all ore goes to China. Gold mining companies are also in the hands of foreigners. Well, there are many, many more I can give examples.
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 1 December 2015 23: 59 New
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              I don’t know Siberia, and the Far East is being mastered with might and main, only not by Russia, but by China. The Kuranakh deposit of titanomagnetite, the second in the world in terms of reserves and purity of raw materials, all ore goes to China. Gold mining companies are also in the hands of foreigners. Well, there are many, many more I can give examples.

              and no one is offended by the power ... sad our ancestors have been exploring these vast territories for centuries, and here during the life of one generation everything wakes up .. it will ...
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    4. ARES623
      ARES623 1 December 2015 12: 21 New
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      Quote: prabiz
      Instead of having the Turks build nuclear power plants, it was necessary to build in the Crimea from the beginning!

      And instead of the Turkish stream, set the task of 100% gasification of Russia. In this case, the issue of selling gas and raising agriculture is being addressed.
      1. Maxom75
        Maxom75 1 December 2015 13: 07 New
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        In addition to gasification, we need to restore gas and petrochemicals, restore production of BVK, then we can get cheap poultry and pork meat and establish food exports in exchange for raw materials for metallurgy and high-tech industries from Africa. We give them food, airplanes, military equipment, trains back: phosphates, platinum, uranium, gold and more.
    5. Vikings
      Vikings 1 December 2015 12: 26 New
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      So the Turks were not built for free, but this does not mean that
      I must forget about myself. I think you should not remind which
      UTB would bring dividends to us if the business would burn out.
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 1 December 2015 12: 32 New
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        Quote: Vikings
        So the Turks were not built for free

        Yeah, for our hard-earned money, such as a loan with a return of 20 years! and what kind of “economist” is this and what place did he think when he pushed through such a decision?
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 1 December 2015 14: 58 New
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        Us? ... And if you think to whom?
    6. SPACE
      SPACE 1 December 2015 12: 37 New
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      Quote: prabiz
      Instead of having the Turks build nuclear power plants, it was necessary to build in the Crimea from the beginning!

      Who knew, but really need to know ...))) A nuclear power plant in a foreign country is primarily a bridle, in the second mine.
      It should also be said about the difference between the Chernobyl NPP and the Crimean NPP - these are different reactors. At the Chernobyl NPP there were reactors of the RBMK series - they are graphite-water. At KNPP, VVER-1000 series reactors were planned - they are water-to-water. And this is a huge difference.

      In fact, RBMK reactors are much better, including safer, higher efficiency, lower degree of uranium enrichment is required for operation, core loading is possible without reactor shutdown, there is the possibility of producing Pluto and other interesting experiments. VVER is good in the fleet, where small dimensions are required ...
      You can’t say the same about the Japanese-American VVER, where radioactive water is still poured into the ocean and they don’t know what to do next ...
    7. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 1 December 2015 12: 59 New
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      Quote: prabiz
      Instead of having the Turks build nuclear power plants, it was necessary to build in the Crimea from the beginning! angry

      Russia is not such a rich country, since our pensions and benefits are poor, and they are gradually increasing their retirement age. Sellers in a nearby store receive 13000-18000 rubles, while for qualified programmers 60000-70000 rubles. It's just that there are few such programmers. The people in Russia mostly earn little. That is why the country is poor.
      1. The construction of a nuclear power plant will have to start with the redesign and demolition of some already built building structures, because the station was not mothballed by Ukraine and, in addition, the design of the station is probably already outdated.
      2. The construction of any nuclear power plant is a long-term business, more than 5 years. Therefore, it was decided when building the Kerch bridge to first build an energy bridge. And cables for power supply are laid along the bottom of the Kerch Strait. In December, by the New Year they promised, they promised to provide Crimea with electricity from this makeshift.
      3. The construction of new capacities of conventional stations in the Crimea is also ongoing, but this is also not a quick matter.
      4. Crimea needs gas and it is necessary to lay new gas pipelines.
      So it turns out that Crimea cannot give money in advance, but it is necessary to build on the assumption that profits will be sometime in years through 10, not earlier.
      Russia now just doesn’t have any extra money for it, we are also building a bridge on credit, and help New Russia, and the war in Syria must be victoriously waged, and Turkey is pulling us into the war.
      And your proposal: "... NPP, it was necessary to build in the Crimea from the beginning!", So it was the territory of Ukraine. We could not build anything there ourselves.
    8. torp
      torp 1 December 2015 13: 14 New
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      In Crimea, a nuclear power plant was needed under the Soviet regime, because it was planned to develop industry, and now there is enough cable!
    9. NordUral
      NordUral 1 December 2015 13: 38 New
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      All the greed of the owners of the liberals. You can take anything from the Crimea, but in Turkey they planned to cut coupons for a long time, and people would pay for the construction.
    10. Deniska
      Deniska 1 December 2015 14: 14 New
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      Instead of having the Turks build nuclear power plants, it was necessary to build in the Crimea from the beginning!


      Myself for my money, Turks for theirs. There is a difference? Despite the fact that there are already some walls left there + new technologies and not the fact that you don’t have to rebuild the entire architecture of the station.
  2. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 1 December 2015 12: 01 New
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    It is necessary to revive!
    It is necessary !!!
    For the further development of Crimea, this is a crucial task!
    c.m.k.
    1. avt
      avt 1 December 2015 12: 09 New
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      Quote: Mihalich17
      It is necessary to revive!
      It is necessary !!!

      Once again - in what state is everything that was built in the USSR? I know ? Or do not care? Type - ,, Let a crazy idea, don’t cut it in haste,
      Call us soon through the bastard of the head physician,
      Sincerely, date, signature, answer us, otherwise
      If you don’t respond, we will write to Sportloto! "
      Quote: serg1970
      If technically feasible,

      Exactly what if. But no one has a clue to the campaign, and all the more so, the defect of the object was not carried out. So why boil your brain for nothing!? request
      1. Kars
        Kars 1 December 2015 12: 19 New
        +6
        Was at Kazantip 1999 as a school graduate.
        there is not much left then.
        1. Eugeneleee
          Eugeneleee 1 December 2015 12: 40 New
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          And now there is no nichrome left there at all. Ruins - only play some airsoft. Or make films. Post-apocalyptic ... am
      2. Mihalich17
        Mihalich17 1 December 2015 12: 46 New
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        Quote avt (2) SU Today, 12:09 PM ↑ Once again - in what state is everything that was built in the USSR? I know ? Or do not care? Type - ,, Let a crazy idea, don’t cut it in haste,
        Call us soon through the bastard of the head physician,
        Sincerely, date, signature, answer us, otherwise
        If you don’t respond, we will write to Sportloto! "
        [/ I]

        So you do not boil, comrade!
        Why are you throwing yourself at people so emotionally? This behavior is not serious on your part!
        I will briefly explain to you why it is NECESSARY to revive!
        - The planned development of Crimea to the level of "All Inclusive" will require not only colossal cash, but also colossal energy injections!
        It is impractical to risk the dependence of the supply of electricity to the Crimea only from the mainland!
        And I repeat, it will take oh, how much!
        This is a global approach to solving this problem!
        Next - the works of V.S. I know Vysotsky and really love!
        Out of place, the ending you quoted from Kanatchikov’s cottage speaks only about your narrow-minded thinking!
        I sympathize with you, comrade!
        Regards, Mikhalych!
        1. avt
          avt 1 December 2015 13: 04 New
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          Quote: Mihalich17
          I will briefly explain to you why it is NECESSARY to revive!
          - The planned development of Crimea to the level of "All Inclusive" will require not only colossal cash, but also colossal energy injections!
          What are you about ?? About a specific facility - an NPP not built in Crimea and the current state of what was not mothballed, but simply abandoned. Or for general
          ,, The triangle will be drunk. "Be it a box, be it a circle, a louse!"
          Quote: Mihalich17
          It is impractical to risk the dependence of the supply of electricity to the Crimea only from the mainland!

          What are these slogans for? Especially if you are discussing an article in which the author specifically discusses the Crimean NPP. This is me about your
          Quote: Mihalich17
          global approach to solving this problem

          Quote: Mihalich17
          Out of place, the ending you quoted from Kanatchikov’s cottage speaks only about your narrow-minded thinking!

          That's right ! In the light of global thinking, why should we talk about a specific object right away ?, Dear editor! Maybe better about the reactor,
          About your favorite moon tractor? “Why grind it up? Especially if, as I already wrote, TPPs have already been planned, and NPPs from scratch - 5 years at least if there is a project, and even more with the clearing of old rotten structures.
          1. Mihalich17
            Mihalich17 1 December 2015 14: 35 New
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            You didn’t understand anything, you are our artistic!
            Lavrov about people like you - very correctly put it! )))
            The minus (the only one, by the way!) Put by you to my post also speaks of your pettiness!
            Further, I see no reason to communicate with you!
            Regards, Mikhalych!
            1. avt
              avt 1 December 2015 15: 12 New
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              Quote: Mihalich17
              The minus (the only one, by the way!) Put by you to my post also speaks of your pettiness!

              This is how you distinguished him, what exactly is it from me? Well, that would not worry here it is for this put - catch. This one is from me - I subscribe.
              Quote: Mihalich17
              Further, I see no reason to communicate with you!
              Regards, Mikhalych!

              wassat With such, respect, then
              Quote: Mihalich17
              Lavrov about people like you - very correctly put it! )))
              ,, Be healthy, Sharapov- do not cough, "although with such suspiciousness and hysteria about the minuses you won’t last long here. laughingExactly after searching for all those who are quietly minuscule, someone will tell us that - ,, We got into a terrible creep, With a worried stomach, With a number on my leg. "
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        4. kashtak
          kashtak 1 December 2015 17: 10 New
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          Quote: Mihalich17
          The ending you quoted from Kanatchikovy Dacha out of place only speaks of your narrow-minded thinking! I sympathize with you, comrade! Yours faithfully, Mikhalych!

          Alexander Mikhailovich, since the discussion is open, let me add. narrow-profile thinking, or rather narrow atomic energy-industrial thinking, is what you are different from. the risks associated with the atom are so obvious that I see no reason to list them. you already know them (everyone knows), but I understand well that you still do not recognize the obvious. It’s good that you are so worried about the income of nuclear energy. but I prefer that the funds (most likely budgetary) be invested in industry, that is, in the processing of the same gas and oil, for example. or a hundred other options. tell me better if not a secret why comrade, not Genosse? no, I have nothing against the Germans, just curious.
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  3. avt
    avt 1 December 2015 12: 01 New
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    This is all of course beautifully issued by the author. And in what condition is everything there - is the author up to date? Does he already have a recovery project? And so - of course, new generation capacities are needed precisely in the Crimea, who argues that, and it seems like new thermal power plants were laid.
    1. cniza
      cniza 1 December 2015 12: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: avt
      This is all of course beautifully issued by the author. And in what condition is everything there - is the author up to date? Does he already have a recovery project? And so - of course, new generation capacities are needed precisely in the Crimea, who argues that, and it seems like new thermal power plants were laid.


      Maybe you need to restore the project, and the ruins are cheaper to tear down.
      1. avt
        avt 1 December 2015 15: 34 New
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        Quote: cniza
        Maybe you need to restore the project, and the ruins are cheaper to tear down.

        Maybe so, even most likely so. Well, at a glance - if you have a finished project and financing from scratch - five years at least, taking everything into account, plus plus money, equipment and time to look at everything, make a decision on the site .... In short, natural hemorrhoids. But all one is the problem of energy volatility , the Crimean NPP will not solve energy dependencies in the near future, in the long term - yes, perhaps even, depending on capacity, even by desalination of sea water.
        Quote: maximNNX
        we completed the Iranian Bushehr without French technical documentation

        It seems the Germans were spinning there? However, I don’t know for sure.
        Quote: maximNNX
        so I think it's easier here

        what And who compared the condition in Bushehr and what remained in the Crimea ??? Well, I’m asking you this again.
        Quote: cniza
        . And in what condition is everything there - is the author up to date?
    2. maxim1987
      maxim1987 1 December 2015 12: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: avt
      This is all of course beautifully issued by the author. And in what condition is everything there - is the author up to date? Does he already have a recovery project? And so - of course, new generation capacities are needed precisely in the Crimea, who argues that, and it seems like new thermal power plants were laid.


      we completed the Iranian "Bushehr" without French technical documentation, so here I think it's easier
      1. cayman gene
        cayman gene 1 December 2015 12: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: maximNNX
        we completed the Iranian "Bushehr" without French technical documentation, so here I think it's easier

        so the Iranians paid money for Bushehr, but where to get the funds for this completion? or can close a couple of other priority projects? Buttzhet, for your information, we have a deficit. And to finish building a nuclear power plant is not to fix an old moped.
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  4. serg1970
    serg1970 1 December 2015 12: 03 New
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    If it is technically possible and economically feasible, it is necessary to complete. And the energy bridge can work in any direction.

    PS: In any case, this project is not for one year. Here the author is getting excited, IMHO
  5. izya top
    izya top 1 December 2015 12: 05 New
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    During the years of the Soviet Union, those who planned such construction projects as the construction of the Crimean NPP were not fools. It was evident that a great reserve for the future was made by people.
    giants
  6. sherman1506
    sherman1506 1 December 2015 12: 05 New
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    I am wondering, when we make the energy bridge, what will the ukram remain? Just jump warming up
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 December 2015 12: 05 New
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    Apparently, the issue will be worked out in this direction. And perhaps they have already worked out.
  8. Bor
    Bor 1 December 2015 12: 05 New
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    You need to measure seven times before deciding on a restoration. With kondachka such issues can not be solved!
  9. vadimtt
    vadimtt 1 December 2015 12: 06 New
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    There is nothing more to finish there - nature and nonsun people have done their job. Need from scratch.
    But, I remember something that the construction was stopped not because of the Chernobyl accident, but because of project errors in substantiating seismic safety.
  10. Izotovp
    Izotovp 1 December 2015 12: 06 New
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    It would be a great opportunity for the development of environmentally friendly transport in the Crimea, the saturation of its electric vehicle, including rolling.
    By the way, the Japanese are developing fully electric submarines, battery-powered, without diesel engines.
  11. gla172
    gla172 1 December 2015 12: 06 New
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    "" "I always wonder: why is everything that was created in the USSR criticized?" ""

    At one time it was “fashionable”, at another “it was necessary”, and now the new generation does not know anything about this .... apart from anything our liberals want.
  12. moskowit
    moskowit 1 December 2015 12: 10 New
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    Wait a bit. Very soon, resuscitation of the construction of nuclear power plants will begin. Rosatom, apparently, is already making "progress" in this direction ...

    "I think so ..." (from the movie "Mimino")
  13. Wedmak
    Wedmak 1 December 2015 12: 11 New
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    In general, a nuclear power plant in Crimea would not hurt. This will immediately remove all energy dependence on the mainland. And this will allow developing many areas in which Crimea will be able to earn enough money to justify nuclear power plants, and even be a fully economically autonomous region.
  14. gas113
    gas113 1 December 2015 12: 14 New
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    Then Kudrin returns to the government, and this is a kapets to everything, and to construction projects and investments, again the transition to a wild market. What nafig nuclear power plants. Here executions must be returned if we want to be saved
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2015 17: 14 New
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      And that, that Kudrin is returning, he generally does not belong to investments and construction projects and will not affect them in any way.
  15. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 1 December 2015 12: 15 New
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    It’s impossible to finish building anything there, the construction site for twenty-five years has stood in the open.
  16. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 1 December 2015 12: 21 New
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    I suppose that the question of considering the possibility and feasibility of building the Crimean NPP was not even raised, primarily because there is clearly no opportunity to quickly enrich a certain private person without investments.
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 12: 25 New
    +1
    There is an assessment of long-term construction! For example, concrete cannot forever wait in the open! It is not yet known what is simpler: to complete or rebuild! This is not so simple as it seems. And the second point. At that time it was modern technology and now building old stuff is ridiculous. Therefore, the issue of completion is not so simple.
  18. mpzss
    mpzss 1 December 2015 12: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: PlotnikoffDD
    It’s impossible to finish building anything there, the construction site for twenty-five years has stood in the open.

    I completely agree, if you believe the quotes above, the construction has been going on since 1988 of the year, and this is not a lot, but WHOLE 27 of years ... Sorry, but THERE is not that NPPs can’t be built anymore, it’s FORBIDDEN to make a shed there!
    Read the SNIPs, and then talk!
  19. klev72
    klev72 1 December 2015 12: 28 New
    +2
    The BREST-1200 reactor is a solution to the problem.
  20. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 1 December 2015 12: 28 New
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    Correctly! Ack!
  21. Signaller
    Signaller 1 December 2015 12: 34 New
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    I think many say that everything failed and rusted there. They are 100% right. It’s better and cheaper to build a new one.
    And why is there a nuclear power plant ???? There is gas and there are now proven CCGT systems that have a higher efficiency. Up to 55%. And most importantly, they have now been built by the sea. For example, in Moscow, at Mosenergo stations, at each station, almost-already such units are being introduced. PSU 420. Two blocks, well, three, and the issue is resolved. And most importantly cheaper. More reliable and faster.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 1 December 2015 13: 38 New
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      I fully support! Why Crimea a nuclear power plant? Mobile nuclear power plants - this idea was born over 40 years ago! Now they have begun to move in this direction. And for our country this is absolutely necessary - a large territory, especially when developing the North, where it is not always possible and necessary to build power plants. A friend, a former submariner, about 10 years ago, tried to push the idea of ​​nuclear submarines removed from combat duty - to use them as electric power generators for areas of the Far North. I don’t know how true it is - we didn’t have those in normal condition ...
  22. Agrokotik1989
    Agrokotik1989 1 December 2015 12: 34 New
    +1
    the only thing that can still be used there is the foundation, and that is not a fact.
  23. lopvlad
    lopvlad 1 December 2015 12: 40 New
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    unfinished Crimean NPP

    for the third ten years of downtime unfinished, this object turned into trash.
    Therefore, the construction of a nuclear power plant in that place will have to be carried out in two stages
    1) demolition of an object
    2) NPP construction

    In any case, the energy bridge was twice as fast to build.
  24. Mark68
    Mark68 1 December 2015 12: 40 New
    +1
    I assure you that if you build, it’s better to build a new one than to restore the looted and decayed old. I saw such objects. Nothing can be restored there, even if you want. It is better to adopt a program to introduce and switch to alternative sources of electricity (I mean windmills and solar energy). I really want that when I went to rest in the Crimea, there would be no need to think about the environment and the radiation situation ...
  25. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 1 December 2015 12: 46 New
    +1
    for the year that our Crimea could already carry out work to determine the suitability of buildings, but as always, we are ahead of the rest, reluctant to write further
  26. Ilya 12
    Ilya 12 1 December 2015 12: 48 New
    +1
    Give Energy to the Russian Peninsula!
  27. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 1 December 2015 12: 50 New
    +2
    Energy bridge up to 850 MW + two gas power plants on 440 MW (already under construction) + own existing generation. And why the heck in the Crimea nuclear power plant, to whom the excess to sell? USSR is not!
  28. 2s1122
    2s1122 1 December 2015 12: 51 New
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    This is all of course good, but there are three components: 1 is a certain amount of money, 2 is the construction feasibility and the most important thing in my opinion is the time they say "money has no value, time, that's all that matters"
  29. rus-5819
    rus-5819 1 December 2015 12: 52 New
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    Quote: Victor Demchenko
    Quote: Vikings
    So the Turks were not built for free

    Yeah, for our hard-earned money, such as a loan with a return of 20 years! and what kind of “economist” is this and what place did he think when he pushed through such a decision?


    Graduates of the VES Higher School of Economics named after E.T. Gaidar!
  30. rotor
    rotor 1 December 2015 12: 57 New
    +2
    What is another nuclear power plant in the Crimea, and then where to rest? am And then, after all, they can even fuck it.

    They have plenty of gas, and gas power plants need to be built.
    1. rotor
      rotor 1 December 2015 13: 31 New
      +1
      + gasification of houses and energy saving.
  31. tolmir
    tolmir 1 December 2015 12: 58 New
    +2
    We didn’t just lose a lot of Soviet projects (including the construction of the Crimean NPP), but, excuse me, for my French- “SPRAY” .- By the simplicity of our soul, trusting Yeltsin, Chubais and other similar figures. It’s good that it seems like they’ve “sobered up.” It is impossible to overestimate the contribution of those osrebrenniks who, in those unscrupulous years, working for nothing, preserved and developed the designs of that glorious time
  32. stappler 2
    stappler 2 1 December 2015 13: 25 New
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    Quote: prabiz
    Crimea to build!

    Yuzhmash, Dneproges, KhTZ, a bunch of very powerful enterprises in Kazakhstan, a bunch of strategic objects in dill
    all this was built where it is now and for whom it works .. where is the guarantee that in 30 years it will not be the same ...
  33. 23424636
    23424636 1 December 2015 13: 44 New
    +1
    At one time, Luzhkov’s friend, Governor Boss, had already punched the Baltic NPP from Kiriyenko, but they also froze it and Boss was re-elected. In Crimea, the owner of 3 stations, including Simferopol TPP is a Cypriot company that is in no hurry to develop energy supply and pulls and plays on the circumstances. From the very day of the annexation of Crimea, the topic of energy has been at the level of rat bickering and thieves redistribution, and the situation around it is not peaceful.
  34. Not served
    Not served 1 December 2015 13: 59 New
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    Quote: 23424636
    At one time, Luzhkov’s friend, Governor Boss, had already punched the Baltic NPP from Kiriyenko, but they also froze it and Boss was re-elected. In Crimea, the owner of 3 stations, including Simferopol TPP is a Cypriot company that is in no hurry to develop energy supply and pulls and plays on the circumstances. From the very day of the annexation of Crimea, the topic of energy has been at the level of rat bickering and thieves redistribution, and the situation around it is not peaceful.


    Do you think we have a different ???? Vekselberg's concern owns 4 TGKs, all in debt drawn, not a single new station or major modernization. They don’t want to invest money, they just stupidly beg for higher tariffs or compensation. And who will invest at such bank rates and low returns. Yes, no one, only the state can afford it. For what, think for yourself.

    And on the topic, ZhBK data is easier to demolish than to modernize.
    Large infrastructure projects, they really pay off for a very long time, but at the same time it is necessary to take into account the growth from economic growth, which is simply impossible without infrastructure. What for we needed this in Turkey, I don’t know. The decision was made in 2009-10.

    And in the Crimea, everything is decided as always in Russia, they called and said that they urgently bought a DES and transferred for the Crimea.
  35. Wolka
    Wolka 1 December 2015 14: 20 New
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    the author may be right, but today it’s probably cheaper to build a new nuclear power plant than to try to restore what remains of the old project, in any case, today the energy independence of Crimea is a paramount task ...
  36. Windboom
    Windboom 1 December 2015 14: 26 New
    -1
    Yeah. In vain abandoned KNPP. Now Crimea would feel much more confident.
  37. fa2998
    fa2998 1 December 2015 16: 37 New
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    Quote: Vikings
    So the Turks were not built for free,

    They built it for free - Russia provided a loan for construction. The payback of this project (according to various sources) is from 20 to 60 years. This clearly exceeds the operating time of nuclear fuel in the reactor. So, until it (the station) pays for itself a lot of radioactive waste we will bring to Russia. Well, I would work for the Russians, will work for the Turks. negative hi