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VKS: in the near future in Russia will be updated missile defense system

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In the near future, the Russian Space Forces will receive an updated missile defense system, TASS a message from the commander of the missile defense division of the 1 defense army and missile defense system Andrei Cheburin.


Radar "Don-2N" / PILL BOX systems missile defense A-135, Pushkino, 2011,

“I am sure that in the near future we will receive an updated missile defense system,” said the colonel on the radio of the RSN radio.

According to him, “the modernization of anti-missile systems is currently under way, which will improve their performance.”

Cheburin recalled that "this year the forces of the military crew of the unit launched a successful anti-missile launch at the Sary-Shagan testing ground."

“We also found and accompanied all ballistic missiles launched from our mainland,” he added.

When asked about the protection of the airspace over Moscow, Cheburin replied that "the Moscow antimissile defense system A-135 (" Amur ") is able to cope with all the security challenges of the Russian capital for several more decades."

“It (Moscow’s missile defense system) will not become obsolete for several decades. Despite this, its development continues. First of all, the modernization of its information component, our pride - the radar station Don-2Н. Secondly, a number of enterprises are creating new fire weapons of destruction, which will allow to increase the combat characteristics of the system twice, ”he said.

The colonel also noted that "in the armament of the missile defense system of Moscow and the central industrial region are currently mine-based anti-missiles," developing speeds several times faster than bullets, "for which, according to the American classification, they were called" gazelles. "

“The accuracy of their guidance guarantees that they will defeat their ballistic targets. At present, the modernization of anti-missile systems is underway, which will improve their combat performance, ”said Cheburin.
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Leonid Varlamov, http://mmet.livejournal.com
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  1. avvg
    avvg 29 November 2015 11: 43 New
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    Creating an updated missile defense system will certainly improve the country's security. The country's security is certainly above all.
    1. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 29 November 2015 11: 46 New
      +6

      “We also found and accompanied all ballistic missiles launched from our mainland,” he added.
      It is pleasing and a little relaxing. smile
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 29 November 2015 11: 58 New
        13
        Радует, но напрягает удельное количество наших противоракет к ИХ ракетам! У "НИХ" больше намного!
        Indeed, if according to THEIR theory of a massive global strike, old rockets are first pulled, our missiles will destroy them, and the second and third waves, already more modern, more accurate, can come through our empty both!
        1. Altona
          Altona 29 November 2015 12: 17 New
          +8
          Quote: Baikonur
          Indeed, if according to THEIR theory of a massive global strike, old rockets are first pulled, our missiles will destroy them, and the second and third waves, already more modern, more accurate, can come through our empty both!

          -----------------------
          The missile defense system will be linked to the counteraction system, that is, with striking means to suppress enemy radars, command posts and bases ... It is necessary to combine active defense and attacking capabilities, to work in advance ...
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 29 November 2015 12: 42 New
            +4
            Quote: Altona
            Quote: Baikonur
            Indeed, if according to THEIR theory of a massive global strike, old rockets are first pulled, our missiles will destroy them, and the second and third waves, already more modern, more accurate, can come through our empty both!

            -----------------------
            The missile defense system will be linked to the counteraction system, that is, with striking means to suppress enemy radars, command posts and bases ... It is necessary to combine active defense and attacking capabilities, to work in advance ...


            Right.

            Then the puller will come and p-ts
            1. UREC
              UREC 29 November 2015 13: 55 New
              +7
              He is P_Ts, with such a development of events, EVERYONE will come, with a small time difference!
              1. bulvas
                bulvas 29 November 2015 15: 17 New
                0
                Quote: UREC
                He is P_Ts, with such a development of events, EVERYONE will come, with a small time difference!



                They will probably survive in Somalia, Gabon, somewhere in the deserts of BV ...

                They will reproduce the new humanity
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        2. dr.Bo
          dr.Bo 29 November 2015 12: 21 New
          +1
          I can only guess, but I think that all the risks are calculated !!
          Супостаты "В Е Ш А Й Т Е С Ь".
          I am for world peace! drinks
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        4. lunoxod
          lunoxod 29 November 2015 13: 06 New
          0
          Let's hope that things will not come to the second and even more so third wave.
        5. Bath
          Bath 29 November 2015 15: 45 New
          +6
          The general said that our missile defense covers only Moscow
      2. Korvin1000
        Korvin1000 29 November 2015 12: 05 New
        +2
        This is good, but not long. You can’t relax.
        Now, the Americans will connect Ukraine or someone else to the Syrian events. We play these secret American games badly and get into a massacre.
        It feels like a big war is inevitable. In which we cannot win, the economy is not the same.
        ВВП: "... Если драка неизбежна, то бей первым..."
        Может нанести всем, что есть по звездно-полосатым врагам. Что бы было понятно: " Нет России - нет вообще никого, земля без человечества."
        And everything is lost.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 29 November 2015 12: 20 New
          +4
          ... come from all-prowlers, no one knows what we have in kind and what is already being produced ...
        2. DobryAAH
          DobryAAH 29 November 2015 12: 23 New
          +2
          Может нанести всем, что есть по звездно-полосатым врагам. Что бы было понятно: " Нет России - нет вообще никого, земля без человечества."

          We don’t need a global war of nuclear weapons, but pulling these nits to help the allies, and slam them there is an option. Therefore, Turkey appears in a good option. Nearby, the supply is quite simple. NATO should slam to help the ally, otherwise collapse, straits at our sight, i.e. their supply is difficult. We will be able to finish Turkey quickly, we will be able to with the help of nuclear weapons. After that, their entire western financial and military structure will be sprinkled.
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    2. cniza
      cniza 29 November 2015 11: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: avvg
      Creating an updated missile defense system will certainly improve the country's security. The country's security is certainly above all.


      Modern radars are being built, plus new anti-missiles ... these are both jobs and safety.
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    4. RUS96
      RUS96 29 November 2015 12: 05 New
      +4
      The Turks will give the body of our pilot.
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 29 November 2015 12: 11 New
        +4
        The body of the pilot Oleg Peshkov, who controlled the Su-24 bomber shot down in Syria, was delivered to Turkey and will be transported to Russia. This was announced by Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, reports Reuters.

        The press attache of the Russian Embassy in Ankara, Igor Mityakov, told TASS that the deceased would be handed over to diplomats on Sunday, November 29.
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 29 November 2015 12: 23 New
          10
          If the abreks transfer the body, then:
          1. Кому-то все-таки до упора накрутили бубенцы, по всем "каналам" в т.ч. и не дипломатическим;
          2. Тело сразу перевезли из района до начала "Возмездия" судя по всему силами турецких сил специальных операций, а затем переправили на территорию Турции, что только подтверждает тезис об организации спланированной акции в отношении СУ-24.
          1. cniza
            cniza 29 November 2015 12: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: FIREMAN
            If the abreks transfer the body, then:
            1. Кому-то все-таки до упора накрутили бубенцы, по всем "каналам" в т.ч. и не дипломатическим;
            2. Тело сразу перевезли из района до начала "Возмездия", что только подтверждает тезис об организации спланированной акции в отношении СУ-24.



            Ek their little knees were shaking, why did they bang the general? (There was information that the general was killed who commanded the pilots who shot down our Su-24)
            1. FIREMAN
              FIREMAN 29 November 2015 12: 34 New
              +3
              Ek their little knees shook, why did they bang the general?

              Итогом операции "Возмездие" должен быть не только обстрел по площадям, но и точечные удары по причастным "руководятелам".
              1. cniza
                cniza 29 November 2015 12: 44 New
                +3
                Цитата: FIREMANИтогом операции "Возмездие" должен быть не только обстрел по площадям, но и точечные удары по причастным "руководятелам".[/quote


                Very much possible.
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        2. KnightRider
          KnightRider 29 November 2015 13: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: BLOND
          The body of the pilot Oleg Peshkov, who controlled the Su-24 bomber shot down in Syria, was delivered to Turkey and will be transported to Russia. This was announced by Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, reports Reuters.

          Что лишний раз подтверждает связь действующих в том районе Сирии боевиков со спецслужбами Турции, наличии там турецкого спецназа и что история со сбитой "сушкой" спланированная на самом "верху" провокация...Только чего они хотели добиться сбивая наш самолет? Отмены единой коалиции? Ерунда... Подставился Эрдоган конкретно, или его подставили, уже не важно.
          Хорошо, что наши про погибшего пилота не забыли, они и не могли забыть, что бы мы тут ни писали, просто нам не сообщали. По тайным каналам мы свои ультиматумы кому надо поставили, а ковровые бомбардировки места крушения самолета помогли убедить военно-политическое руководство Турции, что "не дай бог пилота не вернете..."
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 29 November 2015 12: 30 New
        +4
        The Turks will give the body of our pilot.



        Though behaved normally am I hope that there will be no other surprises from these Janissaries.
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 29 November 2015 12: 42 New
          0
          У них бедных и так сфинктер сжался, не просчитали ситуацию до конца, теперь пусть хлебают полной ложкой. Сейчас Турцию и Пердогана "опустят на бабки", т.к. незаменимых помидоров не бывает, разбомбят нелегальные нефтяные конвои, подгонят курдам "стрелковки" советского производства, отследить происхождение которой не представляется возможным. И тогда кто-то очень сильно пожалеет о случившемся, но будет поздно.
        2. An64
          An64 29 November 2015 12: 55 New
          -4
          It is surprising that during the week not one of our senior military or diplomats stated that the body of the pilot must be returned by all possible means ... Because the Hero was appropriated posthumously, without having irrefutable evidence of his death. By all laws, it should be considered missing so far.
          1. FIREMAN
            FIREMAN 29 November 2015 13: 02 New
            +2
            Законы это конечно хорошо и правильно, с юридической точки зрения пока нет тела - он пропавший без вести. Когда тело передадут, будет и опознание и экспертиза ДНК, а по поводу заявлений... Изначально было понятно, что тело летчика будут всеми путями пытаться вернуть на родину и работа эта начала вестись в тот же день. Но чтобы это получилось лишнее нагнетание ни к чему, и так резонанс зашкаливающий. Собрали "аргументов", нашли нужные "каналы", сработали "тихо", ну а дальше дело техники. Кроме того передача тела осуществляется Турцией, а не непонятными представителями неизвестных формирований - что уже говорит о ее попытке "открутить" ситуацию, как и о том, что эти формирования "плотно" сотрудничают с Турцией либо подчинены ей напрямую.
          2. dima1970
            dima1970 30 November 2015 01: 24 New
            0
            Why talk about it? And so it’s clear to the hedgehog that if they don’t pass the body on their own, then it’s better to take revenge on the reptiles and the entire area in dust until they run away.
    5. varov14
      varov14 29 November 2015 12: 49 New
      -2
      So the country or Moscow. The West writes about Europe, not capitals, but Europe, and we write mainly about protecting the capital, and the majority of the population does not care about it, this is a tick. Is the mind lacking to write differently, even if this is so?
      1. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 29 November 2015 21: 05 New
        +1
        The Treaty on the Limitation of Anti-Ballistic Missile Defense (ABM) was signed on May 26, 1972, by the USA and the USSR. The term of the contract was not limited, however, the contract could be terminated at any time by any of the signatory parties.

        The agreement fixed the obligation of the parties to abandon the creation, testing and deployment of sea, air, space or mobile-land based missile defense systems or components to combat strategic ballistic missiles, and also not to create missile defense systems in the country [1].

        Each side pledged to have no more than two missile defense systems (around the capital and in the area where the launchers of intercontinental ballistic missiles are concentrated), where no more than 150 fixed missile defense missile launchers could be deployed in a radius of 100 kilometers. Later, in July 1974, under an additional protocol to this Treaty, it was allowed to have only one such system: either around the capital, or in the area of ​​ICBM launchers (for the USSR - with a center in the capital; for the USA - on the basis of the Grand Forks).

        In 2002, in connection with the withdrawal of the United States, the treaty ceased to function.
        But just why, in connection with the withdrawal of mattresses from the contract, we are not expanding the missile defense zone? Or do we not all know?
        1. clidon
          clidon 29 November 2015 22: 26 New
          +1
          А как мы можем её "расширить"? Взмахнуть волшебной палочкой?
          Here, so far, with the creak of the S-400, they are going into service, but maybe in five years they will modernize the Moscow missile defense area. That's when they adopt the S-500, then (maybe) we can slowly begin to deploy the national missile defense system.
      2. your1970
        your1970 29 November 2015 21: 10 New
        -2
        Let me remind you that in Europe from the capital to the capital -150-200-300 km is the maximum, France is approximately equal in area to the Saratov region, so if they get into one capital, it means getting into neighboring ones ..
        In our country, even in the best Soviet times, only Moscow, Leningrad, Sverdlovsk were covered because of very large distances - and now it is also impossible for economic reasons ... Even if all oligarchs have everything pulled out of their pockets, we won’t pull it, and we won’t there will be no one on collective farms / towns / cities of less than 5 millions
        I'm more pinned
        "Дальняя заатмосферная ракета 51Т6 - Боевая часть nuclear.
        53Т6 short-range missile - Warhead nuclear или осколочная направленного действия."
        Those. In any case, NATO will destroy its share of nuclear weapons in any scenario, not the Iskanders will fly in, so missiles will explode in the air over their territory ...
        "Хучь сову об пенек, хучь пеньком сову, а все одно сове не воскресать" (с)Шолохов.
        1. clidon
          clidon 29 November 2015 22: 24 New
          +2
          Those. In any case, NATO will destroy its share of nuclear weapons in any scenario, not the Iskanders will fly in, so missiles will explode in the air over their territory ...

          Missile defense will explode over our territory. Those that are now part of the A-135 have a range of 100 km and a maximum height of 30 km.
          1. your1970
            your1970 30 November 2015 12: 30 New
            0
            yes, to blame, I didn’t even notice the elephant ... repeat
            1. Tektor
              Tektor 30 November 2015 14: 56 New
              0
              As far as I think, the 53T6 is being upgraded to a variant of 90 km altitude at 330 km in range. The most important parameter here is precisely the time for interception: for 53T6 - no more than 5 seconds, while for SAM systems C300 -400 - up to 60 s.
              Instead of 51T6, a new missile is being created with a range of 1500 km.
        2. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 30 November 2015 10: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          Long-range atmospheric rocket 51Т6

          Forget this product ...
    6. GSH-18
      GSH-18 29 November 2015 12: 59 New
      +1
      Events on the Syrian-Turkish border have shown that, along with the strike component of our aircraft, it is necessary to develop airborne interception systems for any targets.
      And cover them with ALL the territory of Russia. And then with us, as always, only Moscow is completely covered at any time!
      1. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 29 November 2015 15: 46 New
        0
        So I also want to know, is Vladivostok also covered? Does this colossus finish off to Vladik? We are also in the Russian Federation)))
        1. clidon
          clidon 29 November 2015 22: 21 New
          0
          В России существует только "Московский регион ПРО" (система А-135), которая перехватывает ракеты в радиусе примерно 300 км вокруг Москвы. Перехват заатмосферный с применением ядерных БЧ.

          There is an S-400 in Nakhodka, therefore, theoretically there is protection against medium-range missiles (China and North Korea) with a range of less than 3500 km.
    7. War and Peace
      War and Peace 29 November 2015 12: 59 New
      +7
      The A-135 system consists of a Don-2N multifunctional radar, a command and computing center with the Elbrus system, and two types of anti-missile systems. A two-echelon interception scheme looks like this: long-range (atmospheric) missiles with nuclear warheads clear orders of false targets in airless space, and near (intra-atmospheric) high-speed interceptors attack warheads already at the final section of their trajectory.

      The far transatmospheric rocket 51Т6 is a two-stage combined (the first stage is solid, the second is with a liquid-jet engine). According to various sources, the length is about 19 − 22 meters. Mass 45 tons. The working range of 350 km, maximum to 600 km. The affected area in height from 70 to 670 km. Nuclear warhead
      The near missile 53T6 is a solid propellant made according to the bearing cone scheme. The starting-marching engine is actually a “charge of a directed explosion," which instantly accelerates the rocket to huge speeds (4-5 km / s according to various sources). Shooting the shaft cover takes 0,4 seconds, the rocket passes the head of the shaft already at supersonic speed. The length of the rocket is about 12 meters, the mass is about 10 tons. Range up to 100 km, the affected area in height from 5 to 30 km. A nuclear warhead or fragmentation warhead.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 30 November 2015 10: 34 New
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        Quote: War and Peace
        The far transatmospheric rocket 51Т6 is a two-stage combined (the first stage is solid, the second is with a liquid-jet engine). According to various sources, the length is about 19 − 22 meters. Mass 45 tons. The working range of 350 km, maximum to 600 km. The affected area in height from 70 to 670 km. Nuclear warhead

        Once again - forget about it ...
    8. akmalinin
      akmalinin 29 November 2015 16: 52 New
      +2
      Moscow is not all of Russia.
    9. opus
      opus 29 November 2015 21: 37 New
      0
      Quote: avvg
      Creating an updated missile defense system will certainly improve the country's security. The country's security is certainly above all.

      "зачетный " пост.. fool
      1."Безусловно",а есть те кто гутарит,что "не безусловно"?
      2."Улучшит", а есть те кто говорит"ухудшит"?
      3.Ну и про "первыше".
      ====
      Если бы это была ода вышестоящему начальнику,можно было бы сказать" лизнул ,так лизнул"
  2. izya top
    izya top 29 November 2015 11: 45 New
    +7
    Come on, science, don’t let us down. And men will embody in iron
    1. dorz
      dorz 29 November 2015 11: 58 New
      +1
      According to some information, the Moscow and oblast missile defense system is currently capable of simultaneously tracking and destroying 400-500 targets, and it is quite natural that modernization work will be carried out continuously, especially in light of the imminent appearance of a hypersonic missile launcher in a likely enemy.
      1. clidon
        clidon 29 November 2015 12: 13 New
        +3
        And according to other sources (in the late 80s) it is capable of intercepting up to five or ten missile blocks of intercontinental missiles or 20-30 RSDs.
        Since then, the composition of the missile defense has been numerically reduced, although the possibility of intercepting RSD with the S-400 has increased.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2015 12: 51 New
        +2
        Moscow’s missile defense system now has 120 missile defense systems, so it’s possible to destroy 500 targets, soon another 135 C 10 divisions will be added to A 500 - then maybe it’s bad that only Moscow is the Moscow region and adjacent areas, and the rest of the country is open.
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        2. dorz
          dorz 29 November 2015 14: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          Moscow’s missile defense system now has 120 missile defense systems, so it’s possible to destroy 500 targets, soon another 135 C 10 divisions will be added to A 500 - then maybe it’s bad that only Moscow is the Moscow region and adjacent areas, and the rest of the country is open.


          I didn’t put it right, I had in mind the total number of goals: airplanes, BB, KR, and after modernization, the total number of goals should be increased to 1000.
  3. Arzoo
    Arzoo 29 November 2015 11: 45 New
    12
    We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2015 11: 51 New
      18
      We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.

      I think that all efforts should be devoted to the creation of hypersonic means of delivering ammunition to the United States .... this is the best guarantee of our security (of course, if we do not have a new Gorbachev again)
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 29 November 2015 12: 09 New
        11
        А с какой скоростью, по вашему, летают корректируемые боеголовки баллистических ракет? Магическое слово "Гиперзвук"затуманивает восприятие. Гиперзвуковые боеприпасы давно созданы. Сейчас речь идёт об их полёте по "не баллистическим" траекториям, что сильно затруднит перехват ( нельзя "просчитать" точку перехвата, а противоракеты на таких скоростях взаимного сближения просто не успеют скорректировать траекторию). И это у нас сейчас реализуется. Маневрирующий участок для разделяющихся частей боеголовок с каждой модификацией становится все больше.
        Не надо забывать, какие перегрузки создаются при маневрировании на таких скоростях, и что в плотных слоях атмосферы ЛЮБОЙ аппарат сгорит, как метеор, если попытается двигаться "против законов физики" - например, слишком быстро.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 29 November 2015 12: 51 New
          +3
          Hypersonic ammunition has long been created.


          smile Actually, I talked about hypersonic ammunition delivery vehicles .... but I agree with you anyway.
        2. opus
          opus 29 November 2015 21: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And at what speed do you think corrected ballistic missile warheads fly?

          in a vacuum? DO: 7,2 km / s
          Только для вакуума использовать"гиперзвуковые" идиотизм
          ==================
          and the atmosphere, yes.
          БГ W62 "минитмен -3" тормозит до 2,6-3,2 км/с
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          по "не баллистическим" траекториям, что сильно затруднит перехват ( нельзя "просчитать" точку перехвата, а противоракеты на таких скоростях взаимного сближения просто не успеют скорректировать траекторию).

          1."просчитывается" так же(что в атмосфере (настильная),что по баллистике(если маневрируемая)
          2. According to the ballistic (descending section), the approach speed will be MORE (what is 5-7m, against 7200m / s?)
          Simply:
          -Faster delivery (less path)
          - environmental oxidizer (air) is used, the benefit by weight of TC
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2015 12: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I think that all efforts should be devoted to creating hypersonic means of delivering ammunition to the United States.

        ICBM Sarmat is a hypersonic missile. But there is also a Glider Yu-71, and there are more questions than answers.
        1. clidon
          clidon 29 November 2015 18: 07 New
          0
          Любая МБР в общем то такая же гиперзвуковая как и "Сармат"
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 November 2015 18: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: clidon
            Любая МБР в общем то такая же гиперзвуковая как и "Сармат"

            At the same time, as far as the specialists promise, Sarmat will not fly along a predictable trajectory but change the direction of movement at hyper speeds. As far as I understand, not a single ICBM could do this at such speeds. I’m talking specifically about the carrier, not about That is, it turns out that it will be impossible to bring down it, not only because of speed, but also because the flight path will be completely unpredictable. hi
            1. Abrekkos
              Abrekkos 29 November 2015 18: 48 New
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              Quote: NEXUS

              Цитата: clidon Любая МБР в общем то такая же гиперзвуковая как и "Сармат"

              At the same time, as far as the specialists promise, Sarmat will not fly along a predictable trajectory but change the direction of movement at hyper speeds. As far as I understand, not a single ICBM could do this at such speeds. I’m talking specifically about the carrier, not about That is, it turns out that it will be impossible to bring down it, not only because of speed, but also because the flight path will be completely unpredictable.


              Of course, any ICBM is hypersonic. You can’t fly far without it. And otherwise she is not MB.

              Srmat's special hypersonicity consists in rapid acceleration to hypersound and reduction due to this vulnerable section of the trajectory.

              With regards to maneuvers, it is said loudly. The ICBM is too large and heavy to maneuver in hypersound in the active part of the trajectory. She will just fall apart. And the energy supply is not so great and the possibilities of throttling / deviation are limited.

              It’s more correct to talk about a variable flight sequence diagram in the acceleration section of the trajectory, which makes the trajectory less predictable. In a sense, this can also be called maneuvering, but like an ocean liner, not like a jet ski, and according to a rather rigid cyclogram.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 29 November 2015 19: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Abrekkos
                With regards to maneuvers, it is said loudly. The ICBM is too large and heavy to maneuver in hypersound in the active part of the trajectory.

                I also thought that at such speeds, such overloads act on the rocket that it should fall apart logically. But reading one of the articles, I drew attention to the fact that Sarmat will be able to change direction at such speeds as horizontally and in height.
                Nobody knows the performance characteristics of Sarmatia yet, and we won’t know soon, but since it is stated that this ICBM will be capable of passing all known missile defense systems and promising missiles, I am inclined to believe that the new ICBM will not fall apart miraculously.
                1. Abrekkos
                  Abrekkos 29 November 2015 19: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  But while reading one of the articles, I drew attention to the fact that Sarmat will be able to change direction at such speeds both horizontally and in height.
                  Nobody knows the performance characteristics of Sarmatia yet, and we won’t know soon, but since it is stated that this ICBM will be capable of passing all known missile defense systems and promising missiles, I am inclined to believe that the new ICBM will not fall apart miraculously.


                  Ну строго говоря МБР постоянно и непрерывно меняет высоту. Что такое "менять направление по высоте" я не понимаю. Вниз чтоль лететь? Ну Вы сами понимаете, что этого не будет.
                  In general, almost any rocket changes the vector and the power of the aggregate traction. Without this, its stabilization in flight is impossible.
                  It’s just that a conventional missile uses these capabilities in order to maintain an optimal launch trajectory. And here they will lead along a non-optimal and therefore not predictable trajectory.
                  No breakthroughs are planned in Sarmatia.

                  А что до преодоления "все известные ПРО и перспективные" так это лозунг. Неуязвимого оружия на все времена не бывает.
                  Remember how our GDP in the 2000s said: our missiles overcome any existing and promising missile defense system. Do not put a missile defense all our missiles do not catch. Time went on. And in 2015, he says, we create and plan to put into service weapons that overcome ... but only in the 2020s. Like this? After all, 20 years ago, everyone overcame everything at all times. As it turned out, then the missile defense system in the mid-2000s became very promising and our missiles stopped overcoming it. New ones needed.
                  Everything flows. Everything changes.
                  А про "преодолевают любую существующую и перспективную систему ПРО" это так фигура речи без которой изделие не закажут и народ не успокоится.
                  There will be a rocket, we will test, the Americans will create targets reproducing the characteristics of the flight of this rocket. Will they see that missile defense system that they will be knocking at that moment? Not? Ponder and create a promising missile defense that will take this missile. It is the matter of time. And we are a new missile and they are a new missile defense. And so the whole world revolves ...

                  And it will overcome this question of faith. As you correctly noted.
                2. clidon
                  clidon 29 November 2015 21: 25 New
                  0
                  Я всё таки мало верю в чудеса и ещё меньше верю рекламе пересказанной журналистами. "Сармат" тяжёлая МБР, причём делается с максимальным использованием уже разработанных узлов и то, что известно из открытых источников никак не указывает на её какую то особую маневренность, да и как поманеврируешь с такой массой и толщиной стенок. Зато вполне себе известна и причина почему за неё взялись - дабы закинуть побольше БЧ плюс КСП ПРО. Включая ту самую гиперзвуковую маневрирующую ступень. В которой фантастики уже как бы не ощущается.
      3. Arzoo
        Arzoo 29 November 2015 12: 12 New
        +1
        And if some kind of checked dog (like Erdogan or Poroshenko) has nuclear weapons, what then? You absolutely exclude such a possibility.
      4. An64
        An64 29 November 2015 12: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I think that all efforts should be devoted to the creation of hypersonic means of delivering ammunition to the United States ....

        I would like to clearly learn - why are hypersonic means (which are not available, the application theory, of course, not developed, the effectiveness not confirmed) better than ICBMs?
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 29 November 2015 13: 16 New
          +2
          I would like to clearly learn - why are hypersonic means (which are not available, the application theory, of course, not developed, the effectiveness not confirmed) better than ICBMs?


          I would not want to look like an amateur answering you ... smile I do not presume to answer such a question.
        2. dorz
          dorz 29 November 2015 14: 37 New
          +1
          The recently launched Russian military satellite into orbit is capable of not only detecting ICBM launches, but also calculating their trajectory.
          The flight of hypersonic KR to Moscow launched (theoretically) from the Black Sea takes no more than 5 minutes.
        3. Falcon
          Falcon 29 November 2015 21: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: An64
          I would like to clearly learn - why are hypersonic means (which are not available, the application theory, of course, not developed, the effectiveness not confirmed) better than ICBMs?


          Well, Americans are learning to shoot down ICBMs. Something turns out. We are also trying a-135 to crush the nuclear warhead.

          Hypersonic rocket - goes on echelons beyond 40km. uses pulsating wrd



          Modern air defense hit up to 40 km.

          PRO A-135 / 235, Sm-3, GBI / MKV.
          Lead transatmospheric interception. At heights 100km +

          At the moment, there is nothing to intercept at the heights of hypersonic weapons 40-100km! No one has such systems.



          Nothing flies in the mesosphere yet ...

          Ну и гиперзвук - можно применять не как носитель ЯО. А например гиперзвуковой "Калибр" как вариант...

          Well and Brahmos2 of course

          1. opus
            opus 29 November 2015 22: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Falcon
            Hypersonic rocket - goes on echelons beyond 40km. uses pulsating wrd

            Not. this is a scheme (pulsation) of a subsonic ramjet (FAU-1)
            1. Theoretical indicators for 10m-limit 20km (there is already higher than 5000k on the ends
            2. Supersonic combustion: The detonation wave moves at supersonic speed.
            Может быть и не "пульсирующим"
            according to this scheme (pulsating), the GZDU will not work exactly.
            This is not necessary
            The role of valves is played by jumps, after the diffuser


            Ramjet is an in-line engine; with subsonic combustion. Starting at ~ Mach 6, it is more appropriate to use the so-called Scramjet with supersonic flow in the combustion chamber. Although supersonic combustion is not so efficient, such engines have significantly lower energy losses due to compression shocks in the input path.

            "изолятор" предотвращает проникновение increased during supersonic combustion gas pressure from the combustion chamber to the intake diffuser. Otherwise may happen backpressure inlet blocking.

            In a Scramjet engine, due to high speeds - at the inlet of the combustion chamber Mach 2-3, at its outlet Mach 1,2-1,6 - very poor mixing of air and fuel takes place and the combustion process is ineffective. Therefore, the combustion chamber must have a large length to ensure at least satisfactory mixing.
            Для этого (уменьшение длины) применяют "турбуляторы" или детонационную волну

            Quote: Falcon
            можно применять не как носитель ЯО. А например гиперзвуковой "Калибр" как вариант...

            No you can not.
            Камеру сгорания придется сделать ДЛИНОЙ с "Калибр".

            Well, you can’t drill the canal?

            А "Брамоч" (Яхонт) теоретически можно. Там длина КС = длине ракеты.
            There is no need to drill a hole.
            заменить : компрессор "внешиний" диффузор на изолятор и сопло конечно (лаваля не катит)
            The only problem: In the Scramjet engine, the input of the combustion chamber must have Mach 2-3 (from 4M the speed is linear LA). HOW TO SPEED IT UP TO THIS?
            Not for nothing, after all:

            / Or it will take 1 step of Poplar -m

            1. Falcon
              Falcon 30 November 2015 09: 16 New
              0
              Quote: opus
              Not. this is a scheme (pulsation) of a subsonic ramjet (FAU-1)
              1. Theoretical indicators for 10m-limit 20km (there is already higher than 5000k on the ends
              2. Supersonic combustion: The detonation wave moves at supersonic speed.
              Может быть и не "пульсирующим"
              according to this scheme (pulsating), the GZDU will not work exactly.
              This is not necessary


              I certainly didn’t think what

              Quote: opus
              Камеру сгорания придется сделать ДЛИНОЙ с "Калибр".


              Rather, I meant the collective image.

              Quote: opus
              А "Брамоч" (Яхонт) теоретически можно. Там длина КС = длине ракеты.
              There is no need to drill a hole.
              заменить : компрессор "внешиний" диффузор на изолятор и сопло конечно (лаваля не катит)
              The only problem: In the Scramjet engine, the input of the combustion chamber must have Mach 2-3 (from 4M the speed is linear LA). HOW TO SPEED IT UP TO THIS?


              Then we get several solutions:

              1. Брамос 2 - это развитие ПВРД 1-го с увеличением скорости - "ближе" к гиперзвуку, на сколько позволит конструкция.

              2. Adjustable nozzle and compressor


              3. Accelerating solid fuel will give odds to the 1-th stage sm-3 fellow
          2. podpolkovnik
            podpolkovnik 30 November 2015 10: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Falcon
            PRO A-135 / 235, Sm-3, GBI / MKV.
            Lead transatmospheric interception. At heights 100km +

            You bent, my friend ...
            53Т6 - near interception.
            Shooting range max .: 60 km (50 km)
            Firing range min .: 10 km
            Height of the affected area max .: 30 km (45 km)
            Height of the affected area min .: 5 km.
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 30 November 2015 11: 01 New
              0
              Quote: podpolkovnik
              You bent, my friend ...
              53Т6 - near interception.
              Shooting range max .: 60 km (50 km)
              Firing range min .: 10 km
              Height of the affected area max .: 30 km (45 km)
              Height of the affected area min .: 5 km.


              So I did not refute this.
              53t6 interceptor at the final site - atmospheric
              51т6 - transatmospheric



              More precisely, it is to develop 51-6 - a-235 system
              1. podpolkovnik
                podpolkovnik 30 November 2015 14: 24 New
                0
                Quote: Falcon
                More precisely, it is to develop 51-6 - a-235 system

                Forget 51T6 ...
                A-235 can not be the development of 51Т6, because A-235 is a missile defense system, the development of A-135.
                51T6 is an anti-missile ... it was once, and was part of the PRO A-35M system.
      5. SAN31
        SAN31 29 November 2015 15: 41 New
        0
        As in that joke, about the bull - slowly, slowly, and the whole herd.
        I think everything has its time. And the A-135 system works, has not decreased a bit, is on duty and waiting for the A-235 successor.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 29 November 2015 12: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Arzoo
      We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.



      This is a lot of money, I don’t even know commensurate with what ...

      Actually, closing at least, except Moscow, ALL industrial important centers - this will already be a considerable contribution to the country's missile defense ... Especially in the current situation ...

      But in general, the news is good ... Both science and production, and the military are working, which predict the necessary performance characteristics of weapons in order to keep up with the United States ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2015 12: 55 New
        +1
        One anti-missile system of complex A 135 costs 180 million rubles, so the construction of 1000 anti-missile missiles is quite feasible.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 29 November 2015 15: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          One anti-missile system of complex A 135 costs 180 million rubles, so the construction of 1000 anti-missile missiles is quite feasible.


          верится с трудом, ибо даже "учебная" Булава стоит миллиард как минимум.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 November 2015 19: 23 New
            0
            They compared the ICBMs and the missile defense.
          2. opus
            opus 29 November 2015 22: 47 New
            0
            Quote: mav1971
            ибо даже "учебная" Булава стоит миллиард как минимум.

            UGM-133 Trident II (Trident D5) cost US $ 37,3 million (piece production only)
            A launch under $ 170 million
            So count
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 29 November 2015 13: 07 New
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        Quote: Arzoo
        We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.



        This is a lot of money, I don’t even know commensurate with what ...

        In my opinion, the lives of our people in our country are much more expensive than any money. Continuous air defense and missile defense over the entire territory of the Russian Federation are absolutely necessary in the current conditions of international politics.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 29 November 2015 15: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: GSH-18
          Quote: veksha50
          Quote: Arzoo
          We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.



          This is a lot of money, I don’t even know commensurate with what ...

          In my opinion, the lives of our people in our country are much more expensive than any money. Continuous air defense and missile defense over the entire territory of the Russian Federation are absolutely necessary in the current conditions of international politics.


          Tell us all where to get the money?
    3. venaya
      venaya 29 November 2015 12: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Arzoo
      We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.

      It’s even better to create a missile defense system covering the entire territory of the globe, while you should not forget that the creation of such a missile defense system should be paid by the inhabitants of the entire planet, otherwise, if everything comes from our pocket, I assure you, everyone else will spit on us from a high bell tower , because our budget will not withstand the load and we will all live in deep poverty, nobody needs and despised by all. I believe that all ideas should be based solely on our real financial and resource capabilities, and even better use the resources of other countries.
      1. An64
        An64 29 November 2015 13: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: venaya
        Quote: Arzoo
        We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.


        Better yet, create a missile defense system covering the entire territory of the globe,


        Missile defense of the whole country, even the Soviet Union did not pull ... A little expensive.
        And at the expense of missile defense of the whole world - a passed, not implemented option:
        The joint statement on global ballistic missile defense (PES) signed by the presidents of Russia and the USA (1992) was a new step on the path of military cooperation between Russia and the United States. The novelty of the situation is that for the first time in the practice of relations between the two states that previously opposed each other, it became possible to jointly solve complex military-technical problems with the direct participation of representatives of the military-industrial complexes of both countries in this process.
    4. lelikas
      lelikas 29 November 2015 14: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Arzoo
      We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.

      Alas, it’s not real, as she was azonal, she will remain so. Yes and there is not much point in covering up empty areas where no one will launch rockets anyway.
    5. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 30 November 2015 10: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Arzoo
      We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.

      There was a project of a local missile defense system - C-225.
      Universal Mobile (automotive) missile / airborne defense system C-225 создавалась под руководством Генерального конструктора ЦКБ "Алмаз" А.А. Расплетина в противовес системе ПРО А-35. Ее разработка продолжалась с 1968 по 1978 год. С-225 представляла собой двухэшелонную систему ПРО, предназначенную для отражения 1-2 боевых блоков.

      In the C-225 was supposed to include the following components:

      Radar with phased arrays of tracking the target and targeting PR;
      command and computing point;
      command transfer station;
      anti-missiles with nuclear warheads and command guidance system 5Y26 (developed by the Novator Design Bureau) and 5YA27 (developed by the Torch Design Bureau).
      Целеуказания для системы предполагалось получать от РЛС раннего предупреждения узлов РО-1 и РО-2, в дальнейшем - от РЛС "Донец".

      Испытания системы С-225 проводились на полигоне "А" (Сары-Шаган), но с успешным началом испытаний системы А-135 программа системы "С-225" была закрыта. В классификации НАТО С-225 получила обозначение ABM-2.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 29 November 2015 11: 46 New
    +8
    “It (the missile defense system of Moscow) will not become obsolete for several decades.

    Rumor has it that the DEAD HAND is updated and ready for action.

    So the US plans to tear us down and bury us are unrealizable now or in the future ... if that

    die all together.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 29 November 2015 12: 00 New
      +5
      Well, pleased.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 29 November 2015 12: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Rumor has it that the DEAD HAND is updated and ready for action.



      The dead hand is, sorry for cynicism, a retaliatory strike, if I may say so - in agony ... That is, it provides us with the opportunity to inflict irreparable damage to the United States even when almost all command and control of the troops and the state comes to a crash ...

      So, so that such a time does not come, we need missile defense ... After all, the adversaries all dream of delivering a massive, global blow to our territory ...

      Но обновление всего этого оружия - и "руки", и ПРО - просто радует душу...
  5. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 29 November 2015 11: 47 New
    +3
    In our defense industry I never mind the money! This is what causes the greatest pride.
  6. Dezinto
    Dezinto 29 November 2015 11: 49 New
    +4
    Here is a curious video:

    Nuclear exchange, a computer model, if everything goes like this:

    1. I read the news
      I read the news 29 November 2015 11: 57 New
      +7
      Nothing curious, and even close to reality.
      Video recording of one of the results of one of the computer games. Even as an approximation model, the value is zero.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 29 November 2015 12: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: I readNews
        Nothing curious, and even close to reality.

        I like another video more. We, in fact, have already fought once.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2015 12: 02 New
      +2
      Nuclear exchange, a computer model, if everything goes like this:



      Looks nice .... but I’ll go for a shovel, I would have to dig a dugout in the yard with a triple run.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 29 November 2015 12: 27 New
        +3
        ... buy a better sheet ...
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 29 November 2015 12: 32 New
        +4
        with a shovel it would be necessary to dig a dugout in the yard with a triple run.

        Clarify whether there are any military facilities nearby. And then there may not be enough 9 rolls.
      3. opus
        opus 29 November 2015 22: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        ... but I’ll go behind a shovel; I would have to dig a dugout in the yard with a triple run.

        300 meters of rock may not save ...
        what are 3 thrusts and a shovel?
        MEANING?
    3. Rebus
      Rebus 29 November 2015 12: 09 New
      +4
      Это компьютерная игра "Defcon v1...."
    4. 11 black
      11 black 29 November 2015 12: 10 New
      +2
      Это не модель - это первая часть "Red Alert" если не ошибаюсь wassat wassat wassat wassat wassat
    5. Wedmak
      Wedmak 29 November 2015 12: 30 New
      0
      I correctly understood from the video that there will be Fallout 5 in half of the USA, and we will lose only Moscow, St. Petersburg and their environs?
  7. AlexSam
    AlexSam 29 November 2015 11: 54 New
    +5
    at least one state will survive, if anything, I’m glad for Moscow and Muscovites ... I wonder who will deal with Russian missile defense?
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 29 November 2015 12: 00 New
      +1
      You and I will be! fellow
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 29 November 2015 12: 00 New
      -2
      Quote: AlexSam
      at least one state will survive, if anything, I’m glad for Moscow and Muscovites.

      Yes, the state in the state :-)
    3. Monos
      Monos 29 November 2015 12: 02 New
      +6
      In Moscow, if anything, the main and most massive blow will be dealt. A good defense of the capital suggests that the leadership is not going to desert in the fray.
  8. samara-58
    samara-58 29 November 2015 11: 56 New
    +9
    Это здорово!!! А,как защититься от "горбатых" и "алкачей"??! Эти твари больше урона нанесут(нанесли) ,чем все козни пента и прочих гонов...
  9. KBR109
    KBR109 29 November 2015 11: 58 New
    +1
    Oh how! The division commander makes a statement to the press! In general, are there too many bleached ones? Or does Konashenkov help on a voluntary basis? fool
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2015 12: 09 New
      +2
      Oh how! The division commander makes a statement to the press! In general, are there too many bleached ones? Or does Konashenkov help on a voluntary basis?
      Maybe a simple stuffing ... check the nervous reaction of our partners, so to speak.
  10. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 29 November 2015 12: 01 New
    +1
    Moscow missile defense? What about regions? we also want such things.
    1. Rom14
      Rom14 29 November 2015 12: 30 New
      +2
      What for ?? In our region, in general, everything is bombed ... and so, they can shy away at Tyumen, there are good roads ...
    2. GRAY
      GRAY 29 November 2015 12: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      Moscow missile defense? What about regions? we also want such things.

      Industrial areas cover in the first place. Do you have industry there?
  11. dzerzhinsky
    dzerzhinsky 29 November 2015 12: 04 New
    +2
    The Moscow missile defense system will be updated. That's always the case - all the defense of our country comes down to the defense of the capital.
    And when will the other cities of Russia be protected?
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 29 November 2015 13: 04 New
      +1
      The main blow will be in Moscow, there are management, institutions and the military industry. This will destroy everything. If you have nothing from the troops, industry, then maybe nothing will fly.
      Кстати, да, хорошо,что сказали. Давайте в первую очередь деревню"Гадюкино" сторожить.
      1. onix757
        onix757 29 November 2015 13: 07 New
        -4
        As for industry, there is little doubt.
      2. KBR109
        KBR109 29 November 2015 15: 16 New
        +1
        Such wise men as you already turn the whole country into Gadyukino. Okromya, of course, Moscow ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 November 2015 13: 15 New
      +1
      C 300 and C 400 will protect the rest of the regions on the principle that I can bring down, then knock down.
  12. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 29 November 2015 12: 06 New
    +1
    Что-то даже не помещающееся в голове: " скорость противоракет превышает в несколько раз полет пули......" Это же надо на сколько шагнула наука в создании двигателей с такими умопомрачительными скоростями
  13. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 29 November 2015 12: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    I think that all efforts should be devoted to the creation of hypersonic means of delivering ammunition to the United States .... this is the best guarantee of our security (of course, if we do not have a new Gorbachev again)


    Of course, it would be nice, but you still need to create a missile defense system that protects the entire territory of Russia and its allies.
  14. X Y Z
    X Y Z 29 November 2015 12: 07 New
    +2
    "Газели" - это уже день вчерашний, т.к. открыто обсуждаются в печатных изданиях и Интернете. Пусть не расслабляются, наверняка есть что-то более новое и совершенное, о чем полковник мог только намекнуть.
  15. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 29 November 2015 12: 07 New
    +5
    Я подобные станции монтировал в Латвии ( Скрунда)и в Белоруссии (Ганцевичи).Только там были типа "ВОЛГА".Впечатляющие, циклопические сооружения.Больно было смотреть по телику как лабусы её взрывали,а американцы сидели и аплодировали...Зато белорусская на боевом дежурстве и это радует.
  16. onix757
    onix757 29 November 2015 12: 10 New
    +1
    Damn, well, what is it so shabby. Well, really it is impossible to bring into a divine form the only station.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2015 12: 15 New
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      everything should look like this on the outside ... the most basic thing is inside where there is no access for outsiders.
      1. onix757
        onix757 29 November 2015 12: 21 New
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        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        everything should look like this outside ...

        From the outside, it should be at least painted, as it was before.

        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        . the most basic inside where there is no access for strangers.

        04.05.2012
        Иностранным военным показали секретную радиолокационную станцию "Дон-2Н"
    2. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 29 November 2015 12: 54 New
      +2
      Она не единственная. Набери в поисковике "РЛС загоризонтной видимости". Там и описания их, и карта расположения с зонами покрытия.
      1. onix757
        onix757 29 November 2015 13: 02 New
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        You are the only one who is mistaken.
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  17. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 29 November 2015 12: 13 New
    -3
    Quote: LERTZ
    Я подобные станции монтировал в Латвии ( Скрунда)и в Белоруссии (Ганцевичи).Только там были типа "ВОЛГА".Впечатляющие, циклопические сооружения.Больно было смотреть по телику как лабусы её взрывали,а американцы сидели и аплодировали...Зато белорусская на боевом дежурстве и это радует.


    Yes, this station is on combat duty. Toka Russia does not pay anything for Belarus. By the way, for the second Russian base in Belarus, too. Belarusians burst with gestures of hospitality.
    1. shans2
      shans2 29 November 2015 15: 13 New
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      Belarus lives only at the expense of Russia, as Ukraine previously, do not forget about it ..... otherwise patience will burst.
  18. Korvin1000
    Korvin1000 29 November 2015 12: 17 New
    +5
    Quote: DEZINTO
    Here is a curious video:

    Nuclear exchange, a computer model, if everything goes like this:



    The model indicates that China will speak for Russia.
    Funny, China has a different goal. Wait for us and the US to kill each other. And then populate the whole earth with the Chinese and enjoy life in Chinese)
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2015 12: 25 New
      0
      Funny, China has a different goal. Wait for us and the US to kill each other.


      A smart monkey on a tree will do so ...
  19. sober
    sober 29 November 2015 12: 17 New
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    So what the hell do you protect the capital? It would be better if rocket mines and factories were covered.
    And the deputies will be warned at the start, if that !!!
  20. NEXUS
    NEXUS 29 November 2015 12: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    Moscow missile defense? What about regions? we also want such things.

    Даже во времена СССР ,защищались наиболее важные объекты страны.Чтоб "закрыть"защитой все регионы,даже у Союза не было возможности.
    1. onix757
      onix757 29 November 2015 12: 24 New
      +1
      And for the states it was expensive, and therefore came to a compromise. To date, the Americans have found a way out by installing a pro system on ships.
  21. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 29 November 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Pilot Bin Bom

    Yes, this station is on combat duty. Toka Russia does not pay anything for Belarus. By the way, for the second Russian base in Belarus, too. Belarusians burst with gestures of hospitality.


    А с чего они "Лопухнулись" ? Мы защищаем не только себя, но и Белорусов, так что тут всё по честному.
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 November 2015 12: 27 New
    +2
    Наша защита в основном в том, что Матрасники считают неприемлемым для себя ущерб более 10% населения и промышленности, а при 30% - просто "скиснут". А мы - нет. Попытка сделать из нас себе подобных - у них провалилась. Ну не может гегемон допустить больших потерь в войне. Граждане - не поймут и не примут. Чужими руками, из-за лужи - это пожалуйста. А если "ответка" прилетит неотвратимо - нет, этого нельзя.
    IMHO, that is why such hatred of Russia. We are the only country in the world capable of DESTROYING Mattress. And with this they will never accept.
  23. midshipman
    midshipman 29 November 2015 12: 39 New
    +1
    Dear Sergey, your excellent video does not present a nuclear explosion, which was carried out by scientists from South Africa. The US leadership immediately after this test in South Africa (in the ocean) transported all scientists to the United States, and the city where they lived was empty. This city has become a city without people, I managed to visit there. I have the honor.
  24. Benya krik
    Benya krik 29 November 2015 12: 41 New
    0
    There are many scenarios of a large-scale nuclear war on the Internet, and the scenarios were worked out not only by our, but also by foreign analysts ... So, judging by these scenarios - most of the missiles sent to Russia (about 85%) will explode in the air, it remains to create a climate installation, that would blow all this radioactive trash towards NATO and the amers. Well, for America it’s enough to get at the Yellowstone Caldera with at least one strategist, some 800 kilotons.
  25. bydanoff.val
    bydanoff.val 29 November 2015 12: 43 New
    -4
    Does anyone understand how this all combines with the Yeltsin Center.
  26. kaprizV
    kaprizV 29 November 2015 12: 43 New
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    (of course, if we don’t have a new Gorbachev again)

    And how to protect our country from the Gorbachovs. ????
  27. Wellych
    Wellych 29 November 2015 12: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    Радует, но напрягает удельное количество наших противоракет к ИХ ракетам! У "НИХ" больше намного!
    There will be no winners in that war, moreover, the current penguins understand that after it their power will be close to zero, and only physically healthy males with quick reflexes will begin to dominate, and not spectacular nerds with financial formation.
  28. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 29 November 2015 13: 22 New
    +1
    “The accuracy of their guidance guarantees their defeat of ballistic targets. Currently, anti-ballistic missiles are being modernized, which will increase their combat characteristics ”

    In fact, the general somewhat embellishes. It simply became impossible to maintain the combat readiness of old missiles. All storage periods and conceivable extension dates have been issued. Heavy missiles have long been removed from combat duty. Much is no longer being produced, much is not being reproduced ...

    The situation escalated has to recreate a number of components again. There are not only problems with missiles. You need to replace and the calculator is a huge thing with freon cooling and liquid in input / output processors. Monster periodically instead of combat duty smokes incense. The system has a unique architecture and command system (stack addressless memory and reverse Polish writing). She feels like a kangaroo with her (thanks to Australia's great computer power).
    No subsequent cars are compatible with it including Elbrus-3 and modern Elbrus. This requires complete software processing. You just can not recompile. And those who know how these programs work are no longer others and those are farther away (the same LLP for example 10 years as in the USA). And so with everything.

    How many do not patch the old pants all the hole will be ...

    Therefore, we do the A-235, but there they are far from the schedule. And in the light of current events, everything is changing and the prospects are not clear. Development is a railway. Chasing her moving target is impossible.

    So we have to patch up what is. And that’s good.
    1. Siti58
      Siti58 29 November 2015 13: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Abrekkos
      Therefore, we do the A-235, but there they are far from the schedule.

      Dear Abrekkos, Could we talk through my mailbox [email protected]?
      1. Siti58
        Siti58 29 November 2015 14: 17 New
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        Dear Abrekkos, Could we talk through my mailbox [email protected]?
        1. Abrekkos
          Abrekkos 30 November 2015 12: 10 New
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          Meaning?

          I do not need advice and do not give others.
          I can not help you with the information because I just don’t know what is on the Internet and generally in the public domain.
          You will not help me with the information either.

          It is more advisable for you to turn to other Dear participants, who are skilled in the search, collection and processing of information from open sources.
          To those who spread all sorts of pictures, links and quotes.

          I apologize for my non-sociability.
  29. classik46
    classik46 29 November 2015 13: 29 New
    -4
    Ancient, like Mr. Mammoth and covers only part of the capital.
  30. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 29 November 2015 13: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: AlexSam
    at least one state will survive, if anything, I’m glad for Moscow and Muscovites ... I wonder who will deal with Russian missile defense?


    No one in Russia. A-135 and 235 is not a scalable solution for covering objects, but not creating a perimeter of defense is not about the United States. Covering Russia for us is not feasible not technically, much less technologically.

    So far, we are following the path of quantitative superiority over the capabilities of the US missile defense system and improving the means to overcome it.

    Defense is not our method! Our method is a long arm (albeit dead). A hand that will drag into the grave of the winner.

    "Ступай же ты отравленная сталь по назначению..." (Шекспир/Маршак).
  31. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 29 November 2015 13: 41 New
    0
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    Moscow missile defense? What about regions? we also want such things.


    Little things to children is not a toy!

    Well they are vigorous charges bullet.
  32. jovanni
    jovanni 29 November 2015 14: 08 New
    0
    Quote: BLOND
    The body of the pilot Oleg Peshkov, who controlled the Su-24 bomber shot down in Syria, was delivered to Turkey and will be transported to Russia. This was announced by Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, reports Reuters.


    Эта тв...рь сперва приказ отдавала убивать наших ребят, а теперь этот убийца "сообщает"...
  33. IAlex
    IAlex 29 November 2015 14: 13 New
    0
    From the general’s speech it follows - as it were necessary to show the IDB for the time has come, all the more so until status weapons like Admiral Gorshkov and Amur have fallen apart can still be cheated. On the idle talk, so far everything ended, instead of state. Acceptance of the A-235 in 2015. Moreover, if it’s so cool, hell only she stands around Moscow alone, and at the Yankus she’s something in the 3rd echelon and protects the whole territory ...
  34. Old26
    Old26 29 November 2015 14: 30 New
    0
    Quote: DEZINTO
    Nuclear exchange, a computer model, if everything goes like this:

    Yeah, exactly. All of America will be in nuclear explosions and only then will Russia and China begin to respond ... laughing

    Quote: varov14
    So the country or Moscow.

    Of course Moscow

    Quote: GSH-18
    And cover them with ALL the territory of Russia.

    It was precisely because of the impossibility and ruinousness to cover the territory of the whole country that the ABM Treaty was concluded in 72.

    Quote: War and Peace
    Long-range atmospheric rocket 51Т6

    Forget about her. Since 2006, withdrawn from service and was disposed of.
    On the DB 64 missiles

    Quote: dorz
    According to some information, the missile defense system of Moscow and the region is currently capable of simultaneously tracking and destroying 400-500 targets, and quite naturally,

    "Чудны дела твои господи..." Даже при полном, 100% наличии всех перехватчиков система А-135 была способно поразить 32 парные цели, а сейчас при том, что на треть уменьшилось количество перехватчиков уже 400-500

    Quote: clidon
    Since then, the composition of the missile defense has been numerically reduced, although the possibility of intercepting RSD with the S-400 has increased.

    Illusory enough. It still intercepts tactical targets at a distance of 60 km. BRDS ...? The target speed is 4,8 km / s, the detection range is 480 km. These 480 km target will pass in 100 seconds. During this time, it is necessary not only to find it in the conditions of interference and false targets, but also to take on escort and have time to shoot, hit it. And not at a distance of 200 km, but not more than 60. It is possible, but difficult. And even if it is in range.
    What can they hit? Chinese and North Korean medium-range missiles? They will not hit the Chinese intermediate. Is it still Iranian. That's probably all ...
  35. Old26
    Old26 29 November 2015 14: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    Moscow missile defense system now has 120 anti-missile

    In fact, there has always been 100 launchers. And they can always be seen on the map. 51T6 в 2006 year removed from service. So there are only 64 GAZELLES (53T6)

    Quote: Vadim237
    soon another 135 C 10 divisions will be added to A 500 - then maybe

    Soon? More divisions C-400 they didn’t replace the old 500s when the S-10 tests (and how) are passed - it is not yet known how long the tests will last - either, and when XNUMX divisions are placed on the database is generally unpredictable.

    Quote: Arzoo
    We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.

    And completely ruin the country. Even the USSR could not pull such a project ...

    Quote: Anchonsha
    Что-то даже не помещающееся в голове: " скорость противоракет превышает в несколько раз полет пули......" Это же надо на сколько шагнула наука в создании двигателей с такими умопомрачительными скоростями

    There is no engine in the classical sense (solid fuel). It's just a controlled blast.

    Quote: XYZ
    "Газели" - это уже день вчерашний, т.к. открыто обсуждаются в печатных изданиях и Интернете. Пусть не расслабляются, наверняка есть что-то более новое и совершенное, о чем полковник мог только намекнуть.

    Of course there is, then this is a terrible military secret. This new one was adopted immediately without testing, and no one realizes this. laughing
    No conspiracy theories are needed ... There is something about the existence of which the colonel could only hint. If it were and hinted - it would be fraught with the colonel ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 November 2015 19: 33 New
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      For 5 years, 10 C 500 divisions will be able to do and they will all be located around Moscow.
  36. Old26
    Old26 29 November 2015 14: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: LERTZ
    Я подобные станции монтировал в Латвии ( Скрунда)и в Белоруссии (Ганцевичи).Только там были типа "ВОЛГА".Впечатляющие, циклопические сооружения.Больно было смотреть по телику как лабусы её взрывали,а американцы сидели и аплодировали...Зато белорусская на боевом дежурстве и это радует.
    В ЛАтвии никогда не было РЛС "Волга". Она в единственном экземпляре в Ганцевичах

    Quote: LERTZ
    Она не единственная. Набери в поисковике "РЛС загоризонтной видимости". Там и описания их, и карта расположения с зонами покрытия.

    Вообще-то единственная. Речь ведь идет о РЛС "Дон-2Н"

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And at what speed do you think corrected ballistic missile warheads fly?

    Intercontinental? So they have no adjustable (guided) warheads. Ordinary uncontrollable. Attempts to put into service in the late 80s to no avail ...

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Сейчас речь идёт об их полёте по "не баллистическим" траекториям, что сильно затруднит перехват ( нельзя "просчитать" точку перехвата, а противоракеты на таких скоростях взаимного сближения просто не успеют скорректировать траекторию). И это у нас сейчас реализуется.

    Yes, such blocks are being tested, but so far with varying success.

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The maneuvering section for the separating parts of the warheads with each modification becomes more and more.

    Actually, it’s difficult to talk about whether more or less. The breeding zone of uncontrolled (non-maneuvering) warheads is indeed increased compared to previous generations. The maneuvering section ... so far it is difficult to judge.
  37. cap
    cap 29 November 2015 14: 46 New
    -2
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    The same LEKHA (2) SU Today, 11:51 ↑

    We need to work on missile defense covering the entire country.

    I think that all efforts should be devoted to the creation of hypersonic means of delivering ammunition to the United States .... this is the best guarantee of our security (of course, if we do not have a new Gorbachev again)

    GDP for life. Without options.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 November 2015 19: 37 New
      0
      In 2018, we will find out who will be the President.
  38. L92140
    L92140 29 November 2015 15: 55 New
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    Quote: War and Peace
    The far transatmospheric rocket 51Т6 is a two-stage combined (the first stage is solid, the second is with a liquid-jet engine). According to various sources, the length is about 19 − 22 meters. Mass 45 tons. The working range of 350 km, maximum to 600 km. The affected area in height from 70 to 670 km. Nuclear warhead

    And what, does a nuclear warhead strike in space, there is no shock wave, only radiation remains?
  39. tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 29 November 2015 20: 07 New
    -2
    The problem of Russia is that it is always trusting, therefore it is always deceived, to everyone who reaches out a hand of friendship.
    Therefore, we need air defense always and at all times, the stronger, newer, more modern, the better.
  40. iv.ionov
    iv.ionov 29 November 2015 21: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: varov14
    So the country or Moscow. The West writes about Europe, not capitals, but Europe, and we write mainly about protecting the capital, and the majority of the population does not care about it, this is a tick. Is the mind lacking to write differently, even if this is so?

    Here I am talking about the same, it means that the ABM system will protect the inhabitants of Moscow, as well as several million guest workers from the CIS countries, and LIKE WE, RESIDENTS OF OTHER REGIONS AND REGIONS, HOW TO BE WITH US, WE WILL BE WHERE WE ARE ABOUT WHAT AND WHICH WILL BE COVERED, IF ONLY THEN THE COVER OF THE Coffin, YES AND THEN DOUBT WHAT WILL BE WHO TO COVER !!!!!! So that the guest workers will remain, and we are not needed on X. !!!! THIS IS THE WHOLE TRUTH !!! So that in vain people put cons, the truth should not be offended !!!! hi
  41. midshipman
    midshipman 29 November 2015 21: 39 New
    +1
    Sergey Fedotovich, congratulations on completing the assignment. I have the honor.
  42. Mestny
    Mestny 29 November 2015 23: 01 New
    -1
    Quote: UREC
    He is P_Ts, with such a development of events, EVERYONE will come, with a small time difference!

    Среди американских "партнёров" существует мнение, что опасность глобального уничтожения сильно преувеличена. Что разрабатываемые боеприпасы значительно "чище" таковых первых поколений. И следовательно опасность заражения территорий уменьшается.
    Как только они уверятся, что их ПРО достигло уровня обеспечения "приемлемого ущерба" для себя, - они начнут немедленно.
    Most likely, this will not be a massive blow, but single blows in the expectation that we will not apply a massive response (and this will most likely be).
    They only need to make sure of this.
    And the destruction of a Russian aircraft by one of the NATO countries is one of the stages of such a test for readiness to respond. How is it - swallowed? Fine. We continue to gradually increase the intensity, slowly.
    Following this logic should be an attack on a warship or the destruction of one. And it will not be Turkey, but a completely different country.
    Judging by these events, it is likely that the United States has most likely come to the conclusion that the damage that Russia can inflict on them is acceptable, and they started the program.
    The process is relatively not fast, probably we are talking about several years, maybe 2-3x, after which, as a result of gradually increasing military + economic pressure on Russia, the United States will use nuclear weapons.
  43. Old26
    Old26 30 November 2015 00: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    drew attention precisely to the fact that Sarmat will be able to change direction at such speeds both horizontally and in height.

    In fact, this was not said about the rocket, but about the load
    1. Abrekkos
      Abrekkos 30 November 2015 12: 03 New
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      Quote: Old26
      In fact, this was not said about the rocket, but about the load


      Yes. Then this is a different conversation. But everything is not easy there.
      Кстати маневрирующие цели их ПРО тоже уже сбивает. Вопрос насколько маневрирующие. А с "насколько чтобы настолько" все не просто и не дешево.
  44. Sharikov
    Sharikov 30 November 2015 10: 51 New
    0
    There’s more safety news,
    The Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET) has developed a new type of airborne trap for the Russian Armed Forces - disposable interference transmitters (POI), the concern said.

    “A single-use jammer developed by the concern, fired from a standard device for shooting from an airplane or helicopter, begins to emit interference signals that are aimed at the frequency spectrum and structure. In the usual standard aviation cartridge, the REB station is fully assembled - it has an antenna, a chemical power generator that provides the transmitter for several seconds or tens of seconds, ”RIA Novosti was told in KRET.

    At the same time, depending on the combat conditions, the POI imitates all the basic characteristics of the aircraft and picks up an attacking rocket or gives a signal of sufficiently high power, blocking the ability of the rocket to hit the target. Such interference transmitters belong to the so-called expendable means of electronic warfare, or "ammunition of electronic warfare." This category also includes optical transmitters for single use, anti-radar cartridges and the developed towed active radar trap that fully simulates the characteristics of the aircraft.

    Last week, President Vladimir Putin said that Russia could use, in particular, electronic warfare to ensure the safety of Russian aviation in Syria, which lost the Su-24 bomber as a result of Turkey’s actions.
  45. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 30 November 2015 11: 59 New
    0
    Quote: L92140
    And what, does a nuclear warhead strike in space, there is no shock wave, only radiation remains?


    Look for the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion and understand. And the shock wave is already not too dangerous BG. Unless knocked out of the way.
  46. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 30 November 2015 12: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Falcon
    Hypersonic missile - goes at echelons for 40km. ... Modern air defense hit up to 40 km.
    Missile defense systems A-135/235, Sm-3, GBI / MKV. They carry out atmospheric interception. At altitudes of 100km +

    At the moment, there is nothing to intercept at the heights of hypersonic weapons 40-100km! No one has such systems.
    Nothing flies in the mesosphere yet ...
    Ну и гиперзвук - можно применять не как носитель ЯО. А например гиперзвуковой "Калибр" как вариант... Ну и Брамос2 конечно


    Well, put A-135 quite works for itself at heights beyond 40. The question is at all about the heights and the declination of the trajectory trajectories of approach to the target, the ability to maneuver well and, as always, in speed. Although even the A-135 as a whole intercepts certain classes of similar targets with not a high but sane probability.

    The problem is not rockets at all, but in the locator and in the control system. And with this just everything oh how hard.

    Do not forget that the A-135 was made including to intercept weapons that may appear as a result of orbital bombardment from shuttles (launching hypersonic vehicles from an orbital dive).

    Не так уж все "прогнило в Датском королевстве" (В.Шекспир).

    But since no one knows the exact characteristics of the now defunct weapon, it is not possible to talk about the probability of interception. Clearly, these opportunities are not enough for the future.

    About the hypersonic Caliber and Bramos that you grabbed. Got excited. The transition from supersonic to hypersound for means of destruction of ground targets is almost the same as the transition from a nuclear reactor to a thermonuclear one. It’s simpler of course, but for 60 years now they’ve been struggling with this topic and there are no working products. So the hypersonic Caliber and Bramos will have nothing in common with the current ones. If at all.

    И кстати как это Вы так лихо оценили совершенно секретный и пока не существующий комплекс А-235? По которому даже ТТЗ то "меняется вместе с временами года".

    Вы часом не "изменник Родины"? wink
    1. Falcon
      Falcon 30 November 2015 13: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Abrekkos
      Well, put A-135 quite works for itself at heights beyond 40. The question is at all about the heights and the declination of the trajectory trajectories of approach to the target, the ability to maneuver well and, as always, in speed. Although even the A-135 as a whole intercepts certain classes of similar targets with not a high but sane probability.

      The problem is not rockets at all, but in the locator and in the control system. And with this just everything oh how hard.


      At what height does the 51t6 solid fuel starter engine disconnect? It can maneuver in the mesosphere only by deflecting traction. The solid propellant rocket engine does not provide a deviation on it, we are waiting for the launch of the rocket engine. We need algorithms for changing the density of the atmosphere with the pulses of the PTZ cameras, for the possibility of control at all heights.
      Will they provide the right accuracy.
      Да и применения Я б/ч в мезосфере - думаю менее "экологично" чем в космосе.

      Is the problem in the locator? I don’t understand the thought. The definition in the mesosphere is more complicated than in space.

      Quote: Abrekkos
      About the hypersonic Caliber and Bramos you are enough. Got excited. The transition from supersonic to hypersound for means of destruction of ground targets is almost the same as the transition from a nuclear reactor to a thermonuclear one.


      About it already answered above. Gauge in this context is like a collective image.

      About Bramos - the development of its own ramjet for some speed increase is possible. Watching where to get hypersound. If from - then it seems you need ramjet with variable nozzle and compressor (diffuser). Purely theoretically.
      They try to come up with some of this on brahmos2

  47. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 30 November 2015 13: 11 New
    0
    Quote: iv.ionov
    Quote: varov14
    So the country or Moscow. The West writes about Europe, not capitals, but Europe, and we write mainly about protecting the capital, and the majority of the population does not care about it, this is a tick. Is the mind lacking to write differently, even if this is so?

    Here I am talking about the same, it means that the ABM system will protect the inhabitants of Moscow, as well as several million guest workers from the CIS countries, and LIKE WE, RESIDENTS OF OTHER REGIONS AND REGIONS, HOW TO BE WITH US, WE WILL BE WHERE WE ARE ABOUT WHAT AND WHICH WILL BE COVERED, IF ONLY THEN THE COVER OF THE Coffin, YES AND THEN DOUBT WHAT WILL BE WHO TO COVER !!!!!! So that the guest workers will remain, and we are not needed on X. !!!! THIS IS THE WHOLE TRUTH !!! So that in vain people put cons, the truth should not be offended !!!! hi


    Our whole huge country has not yet earned and worked to protect Moscow, and you are talking about protecting the whole mother of Russia ...

    So, at the current efficiency, we will immediately sell all the raw materials of Siberia to potential opponents. fool

    Alas... sad
  48. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 30 November 2015 13: 17 New
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    Quote: Old26
    No conspiracy theories are needed ... There is something about the existence of which the colonel could only hint. If it were and hinted - it would be fraught with the colonel ...


    Moreover I will say. Colonels and 99,99% of generals know absolutely nothing about what is in development.

    What for?

    Here they will develop, build, test, when it will be necessary to conduct military tests and put on combat duty then both the colonels and generals and lieutenants will recognize.
  49. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 30 November 2015 14: 47 New
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    Quote: Falcon
    At what height does the 51t6 solid fuel starting engine disconnect?


    Yes, it may not separate at all.


    Quote: Falcon
    The solid propellant rocket motor does not provide a deviation on it,


    Oh oh oh. Does not provide. But how does she even fly then, well, at least in a straight line?

    And even more so knocking down?
    Correction of the rocket is carried out from the first second of the flight and in the determining part just on the upper stages. Further late.

    Quote: Falcon
    We are waiting for the launch of the rocket engine. We need algorithms for changing the density of the atmosphere with the pulses of the PTZ cameras, for the possibility of control at all altitudes. Will they provide the right accuracy.


    Do not repeat the pseudo-delirium from newspapers, much less do not generate it yourself. This does not suit you. Speak better on business as usual.

    Quote: Falcon
    Да и применения Я б/ч в мезосфере - думаю менее "экологично" чем в космосе.


    Well, yes, but an explosion below the mesosphere is even less environmentally friendly. You understand.

    Quote: Falcon
    Is the problem in the locator? I don’t understand the thought. The definition in the mesosphere is more complicated than in space.


    Accuracy considering the review. And accuracy is determined by many factors, including time spent in the field of view. This is AR. And he is not aimed at such goals. Need additional review tools.

    Quote: Abrekkos
    About Bramos - the development of its own ramjet for some speed increase is possible. Watching where to get hypersound.


    About Caliber, I understand you. I apologize did not notice your other posts.

    And do not consider hypersound as it is all above 5M. And here, do not force the engine and you will not come close. Yes, what’s the engine, the propeller is other nonsense. The device itself is what to do? Almost nothing remains, not only from Bramos but also from the plant that produces it.

    So Brahmos is no less collective image than Caliber.

    The step from Caliber to Bramos is many times smaller and easier than from Bramosv to hypersound.

    This is purely my personal opinion. You have the right to have your own.
    1. Falcon
      Falcon 30 November 2015 21: 35 New
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      Quote: Abrekkos
      Well, yes, but an explosion below the mesosphere is even less environmentally friendly. You understand.


      Therefore, kinetic interception is needed.

      Well - for the rest I agree. It seems 51t6 really could be applied for 40km and up to 100km.

      Quote: Abrekkos
      The device itself is what to do? Almost nothing will remain, not only from Bramos but also from the plant that produces it.


      Well, they’re doing something in Boeing. it doesn’t really work out yet, but who said it would be easy.



      Quote: Abrekkos
      But do not consider hypersound, but it is all higher than 5M. And here, do not force the engine and you will not come close.


      Theoretically, pvrd is just limited to 5m.
      Then yes. not forcing, but a design change is needed.
  50. L92140
    L92140 30 November 2015 20: 41 New
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    Quote: Abrekkos
    Look for the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion and understand. And the shock wave is already not too dangerous BG. Unless knocked out of the way.

    I do not need to read what I taught at school and institute. Well, and that email. a magnetic impulse, the only thing that works in space will make a warhead that went on course?
    I asked a question, I didn’t get an answer, but it seems to you the main thing is to blurt out with a smart look