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Return to the old world is impossible

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There are events that restructure the space. Building a new hierarchy in a situation that previously seemed obvious and clear. Complicate it and bring a new level of contradictions.

It was such an event that the Russian Su-24M shot down in Syria. World public opinion that swung towards Russia the day before was “edited” with just one shot of the Turkish F-16. In principle, I consider it a bad form to quote myself, but I have to reproduce the beginning of the last note on the results of the terrorist attacks in Paris.

“And now Barack Obama meets with Vladimir Putin within the framework of the G-20 summit, and later publicly speaks about the constructiveness of the Russian position on Syria. Francois Hollande announces the actual entry of France into the war with the Islamic State on the side of Russia. And numerous mass media instantly “shoot” in the public space the topic of a new civilization alliance against the Islamic plague, which has overshadowed all other contradictions, in particular, Ukraine. ”

The fall of the Russian aircraft on the air, two parachutes in the sky, the statement of Turkey about the allegedly "downed UFO", a demonstrative refusal to communicate with the Russian Defense Ministry, a request to hold an emergency meeting of the NATO Council ... And the "new civilization alliance against the Islamic plague" with Russia as it did not happen. And what is there? And there is Russia, which alone supports Assad, and there is NATO, which is fighting for the right of the Syrian people for a better life.

The new disposition immediately found confirmation during the meeting of Francois Hollande with Barack Obama. Following the meeting, it was stated that the main condition for resolving the situation in Syria is Assad’s departure, and no new coalition with Russia against the Islamic state will be created. As Obama noted, a coalition from 65 countries has been created for a long time (Turkey is a participant - L.K.), and cooperation with Russia is possible only if it changes the focus of its attacks strictly on the position of the IG. “Hitting moderate opposition only strengthens the Assad regime, whose cruelty contributed to the rise of ISIL.”

Downed Su-24М immediately shifted the accents of world politics and called into question many Russian-Turkish agreements, the main of which experts call the new gas pipeline through the Black Sea. It only remains to add that this gas pipeline concerns not only the Russian-Turkish agreements. His project appeared after the EU blocked the construction of South Stream, which was conceived as an alternative to the Ukrainian transit of Russian gas to the countries of southern Europe.

The second alternative to Ukrainian transit should be the new branch of the Nord Stream under the Baltic Sea. But this project can also be easily blocked by yet another escalation of military actions in the Donbas and new sanctions against Russia. The likelihood of such a scenario is determined by the fact that American companies have invested in the Ukrainian gas transportation system, and without Russian gas it costs nothing.

It is unnecessary to speak about the coincidence of coincidence (Su-24М was shot down on the eve of the meeting of Hollande with Obama and the day after the Gas Exporting Countries Forum in Iran, which was attended by Putin). The word "provocation" has already sounded on the air.

According to the technology of execution, the Russian plane shot down by Turkey can probably be compared only with Yevgeny Primakov’s famous U-turn on the Atlantic 24 in March 1999, when NATO began bombing Yugoslavia without a UN Security Council sanction.

The bombings began despite the fact that, on March 23, under pressure from Russia, the Yugoslav delegation in the framework of the Contact Group (NATO-Russia) agreed with the political autonomy of Kosovo. At the time of the commencement of the operation "Merciful Angel" (according to the codification of the United States), Primakov was in the air, heading for America. If he landed and shook the hand of Clinton, he thereby approved the destruction of Yugoslavia.

Many analysts consider this maneuver of Yevgeny Maksimovich to be the end of the era of a unipolar world. The North Atlantic Alliance, contrary to its own charter, first appeared not as a defensive bloc, but as an aggressor. For the first time, the UN Charter and international law were violated, which completely changed the world.

The political technology underlying this kind of action is called the creation of a strategic fork, after which a return to the former peace on the same conditions is no longer possible. It is difficult to predict what consequences a Russian-made Su-24M shot down by a Turkish-made American-made fighter can result in.

Indisputable is only that the picture, which until recently seemed to all understandable, has ceased to exist. I want to remind skeptics that the Caribbean crisis, which brought the world to the brink of a nuclear catastrophe, was not provoked by the Soviet Union and did not start in Cuba. Then everything began, too, in Turkey, which housed American medium-range missiles.

Having noted the “hot spots” that have arisen recently on a geographic map, one can clearly see that problems are multiplying not around Russia, but around Europe. It seems that someone wants to push the EU's energy security into a narrow neck of Ukrainian transit. Unless, of course, we assume sea shipments, which are guaranteed by the US Navy's 6 fleet.

And there, and before the signing of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership is a stone's throw ...
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  1. avvg
    avvg 29 November 2015 15: 52 New
    13
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 29 November 2015 15: 56 New
      92
      Politics is dirtier - only Geopolitics can be.
      And on the bill forever - the world is changing, the Germans and the Japanese were also lost, the Chinese were also fighting in Damansky. Time will tell . (not that on the first channel;))
      1. Shveps
        Shveps 29 November 2015 16: 06 New
        31
        Quote: lelikas
        Politics is dirtier - only Geopolitics can be.


        "Primakov was in the air, heading for America. If he had landed and shook Clinton's hand, he would have approved the destruction of Yugoslavia."

        What with the fact that he did not approve - this did not prevent the destruction of Yugoslavia.
        After the defeat of the USSR, the world became unipolar. as confirmed by the new "civilizational union" with the participation of Russia against the IGTL created by the same forces.
        The question is where is this pole of cold? Three versions - England, USA, Israel.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 29 November 2015 16: 19 New
          -106
          hi
          INFORMATION TO THOUGHT bully .
          And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!
          (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)
          If this is so, then literally in the near future we will see confirmation - at or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris - this is the solution on the Russian conditions of the issue of the construction of the Turkish Stream and the receipt of other tasty preferences for Russian business and interests in the Mediterranean basin with full support from Turkey ....

          An analogy for comparison and skeptics - if you hadn’t "allowed" the Darkest Kiev Maidan - Russia would now be without Crimea and with American bases at the gates ...
          No?
          Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...
          1. sir_obs
            sir_obs 29 November 2015 16: 24 New
            60
            Complete nonsense.
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 29 November 2015 16: 26 New
              -67
              Throw away emotions and count already received + ...
              Or do you think that a (only / even) dramatic increase in the size of the group in Syria would go under the applause of NATO?
              1. Baikonur
                Baikonur 29 November 2015 16: 29 New
                -42
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                And why doesn’t anyone consider ... as an operation of the Russian special services ?!

                As a secret task, to create the current alignment, I - consider! Knowing that they would catapult, they would save, (even MI-8, not very armored immediately, was sent)! They knew about the "air ambush", but perhaps underestimated the ground ambush!
                You can call the Turkish Gambit!
                (chess: donate 1 plane (not a pilot) (even the plane is not the newest, and unaccompanied!) in order to declare “SHAH” to the king!)
                1. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 29 November 2015 16: 38 New
                  -57
                  hi
                  And I’m talking about the same thing ... In fact, the aircraft is outdated - the losses are minimal financially ... According to the pilot - the military (and especially intelligence) are essentially cynical people - and when global interests of the country are at stake - such an opportunity with some then% certainly took into account, but they hoped that would not happen, but war is war ...
                  1. Baikonur
                    Baikonur 29 November 2015 16: 59 New
                    +6
                    Do you remember how A. Matrosov closed the embrasure so that the rest would pass and win? And 28 Panfilovites, who died both by order and by the will of the spirit in order to at least detain the enemy! And under the tank with grenades ?! AND...!

                    P.S. even if you think that these are myths, but I assure you that there were a lot of such real, perhaps not so bright cases in the whole history (even documented !!!

                    And if the Motherland says - "NECESSARY", we will answer - "IS"!

                    PPS: let's look at the mines and the pros, at a reasonable / "unreasonable" assessment!
                    1. OlegLex
                      OlegLex 30 November 2015 22: 18 New
                      0
                      For such Give Hero, here for such a sacrifice of oneself in the name of victory! in the name of the motherland!
                  2. Vikings
                    Vikings 29 November 2015 18: 03 New
                    26
                    And how do your fingers do not break, write this?
                    In truth, your cynicism has no limit !!!
                    1. Finntroll
                      Finntroll 29 November 2015 19: 06 New
                      21
                      Open the history book and read. Cynicism?! in the world, and not what happened, then you really will know what cynicism is. Although I add that this behavior is more characteristic of our "partners".
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                      2. Vikings
                        Vikings 29 November 2015 19: 21 New
                        0
                        Hello, are you writing for the sake of writing?
                        Or you write that by writing to
                        carry your thoughts to the opponent. If the second
                        then you are clearly not in the subject, for your message
                        luttly not informative and stupid!
                      3. Karlovar
                        Karlovar 29 November 2015 19: 57 New
                        13
                        Catholics invited the Huguenots to the wedding of Heinrich of Navarre (the marriage was supposed to reconcile Catholics and the Huguenots) .... The wedding turned out to be a banal trap, the Huguenots were cut out at night (night of St. Bartholomew) ....
                      4. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 30 November 2015 00: 39 New
                        -13
                        Quote: Apologet.Ru
                        Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

                        Ah ha))) It's not me Valera, it's you Valera! Achtung! I attack with arguments! In order not to draw on other women, we must open our eggs!
                    2. bornikrub
                      bornikrub 2 December 2015 10: 52 New
                      0
                      "Viking" (!) Does not understand that it is legal for civilians to sue and demand compensation from the employer, and the military have to sacrifice their lives.
                      Both his own and a stranger.
                      Such a "cynical" profession.
                  3. air force 32
                    air force 32 29 November 2015 21: 34 New
                    0
                    Morons, b ... q
                  4. Asadullah
                    Asadullah 30 November 2015 01: 30 New
                    +3
                    In truth, your cynicism has no limit !!!


                    Litrushka flew quickly and there is no limit to cynicism smile
                  5. attuda
                    attuda 30 November 2015 02: 59 New
                    10
                    Without cynicism, brilliant military operations are not
                    held. One pragmatism is not enough.

                    The best chance is a calculated pattern.

                    Plus version above.
                    Hand over a pawn, rake up the floor of the board
                    figures for her.
                    Without breaking eggs - do not cook an amlet.
                    Now there is a reason to thoroughly and thoroughly raise this nest ...
                    and morality is on our side.

                    It's a pity guys, but it's a war
                    Heroes are born there
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                3. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 29 November 2015 19: 31 New
                  12
                  Quote: Apologet.Ru
                  and when the country's global interests are at stake - such an opportunity with some%, of course, was taken into account, but hoped that would not happen, but war is war ...

                  And if NATO showed a tough stance in supporting Turkey? Again, to increase our air group, the United States demands (!) That Turkey increase the group of troops on the Turkish-Syrian border. And relations, including trade, between us collapse.
                  So, whatever one may say, the USA and NATO have more bonuses, which means the situation is favorable to them. Therefore, your version is schizophrenic conspiracy theology.
                  1. nerd.su
                    nerd.su 29 November 2015 20: 03 New
                    -8
                    Schizophrenics, look offended, silently minus. Right, fear the doctor, sick! laughing
                    1. family
                      family tree 29 November 2015 21: 11 New
                      +3
                      Quote: bot.su
                      Schizophrenics, look offended, silently minus. Right, fear the doctor, sick! laughing

                      Yes, to the cross. Although, all this crap with epaulets and ratings ... what It would be better if the admins were stupidly banned for violations, forever, having warned so, about twenty drinks
                  2. family
                    family tree 29 November 2015 20: 43 New
                    19
                    Quote: bot.su
                    And if NATO showed a tough stance in supporting Turkey?

                    1. The beginning of the Second World War, NATO has not yet, the Germans are occupying Poland, creating the "Case Bell".
                    The answer of France and England, yes, the "strange war", Dunkirk and the execution by Royal Nevi of French ships with French crews.
                    2. Greece, Cyprus, well, there is its own hut, but it didn’t even budge.
                    3. Afghanistan, awesome anti-terrorist operation, valiant solders guard the poppy plantations of the Afghan dekhan, and suddenly
                    4.08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Mishiko in shock, yelling, they say help belay send an aircraft carrier! In response, you cho fool , the Russians will have such a trophy!
                    5. Buns from Nuland, well, here you still remember everything, and finally
                    6. "Red ass" Erdogan, well, did these Poles help him? what
                    7. Is there a "NATO" at all? Maybe a candle, for peace, cholic belay
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey 29 November 2015 22: 00 New
                      +8
                      Quote: perepilka
                      Quote: bot.su
                      And if NATO showed a tough stance in supporting Turkey?

                      1. The beginning of the Second World War, NATO has not yet, the Germans are occupying Poland, creating the "Case Bell".
                      The answer of France and England, yes, the "strange war", Dunkirk and the execution by Royal Nevi of French ships with French crews.
                      2. Greece, Cyprus, well, there is its own hut, but it didn’t even budge.
                      3. Afghanistan, awesome anti-terrorist operation, valiant solders guard the poppy plantations of the Afghan dekhan, and suddenly
                      4.08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Mishiko in shock, yelling, they say help belay send an aircraft carrier! In response, you cho fool , the Russians will have such a trophy!
                      5. Buns from Nuland, well, here you still remember everything, and finally
                      6. "Red ass" Erdogan, well, did these Poles help him? what
                      7. Is there a "NATO" at all? Maybe a candle, for peace, cholic belay



                      Volodya hi ... zvizdet not bags tossing and turning ... it's me about Nat. Glory to Bow that we didn’t turn into a banana republic with a sold-out suverinet ... that's why Nata is limited to empty blahs and injections from the rear, nudging the mosek .. and they get the code through the snot Nato observes and comes up with a typical American style and everything is normal with you ?
                    2. family
                      family tree 29 November 2015 22: 36 New
                      0
                      Quote: vorobey
                      Are you okay?

                      Yes, well, to hell with them for the night

                      Hi Sanya! And-and be healthy, fuel oil! Is there a connection with Lexey? Like he?
                    3. vorobey
                      vorobey 29 November 2015 23: 00 New
                      +2
                      Quote: perepilka
                      Is there a connection with Lexey?


                      27appeared to the topic congratulated, but really did not communicate .. drinks
                    4. family
                      family tree 29 November 2015 23: 42 New
                      -4
                      Quote: vorobey
                      7 appeared in the topic congratulated, but really did not communicate .. drinks

                      Eva, I missed it, though, run a glimpse of the week, and then for happiness, a month full of events. First, for a week they taught me to cut the forest, me repeat , every day I got up at 4.00 and rode a hundred miles, on a steam train, for knowledge, well, home by night, and then again, and how to work at height belay , mdya, learned a lot of new, cho request belay It turned out that I fell the tree incorrectly, and crawled incorrectly recourse according to the latest instructions and orders of the Ministry of Labor of the Russian Federation request
              2. nerd.su
                nerd.su 29 November 2015 23: 38 New
                +8
                Now, in hindsight, we say that NATO is weak. And if not for the terrorist attacks in France, which forced the Europeans to reconsider their attitude to our actions in Syria? If not for the events in Paris, the Europeans would again be able, like in 2008, to raise the cry of "attack of Russian aggressors violating the airspace of Turkey."
                By the way, in the new post-Paris reality, it is beneficial for Americans to merge Turkey temporarily. Suddenly we will perceive this as NATO’s weakness and begin to bring down the Turks. Here the Europeans, the main ram (or ram) of NATO, led by the United States howl that Russia is an aggressor. After all, the main thing for the states is to draw us into a military conflict on our borders with the state stronger so that Europe is against us. So I wouldn’t put a candle for the rest of NATO. It's too early to bury these scoundrels.
                Moreover, the Nuland buns still operate. Not everyone is jumping, but the power lines in the Crimea are still dumped.

                Quote: perepilka
                Although, all this crap with epaulets and ratings ...

                Yes, here I more wanted the minusers to speak out. But the letters in the text, and even meaningful, are not given to everyone to add. But thanks for the support drinks
              3. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 00: 28 New
                +4
                Quote: bot.su
                Yes, here I more wanted the minusers to speak out.

                For example, all these pluses and minuses, due to age, life experience and personal position about real values ​​formed a long time ago, are on the drum, but I understand the minus as disagreement and if I minus - I try to justify the disagreement. I don’t like to endure when I am stupidly minced, not explaining what I do not like. I do not agree - object. Argued, and not in the spirit of "myself ....". Although I can put a plus without explaining the reason and my comment. Just because some views of a person coincide with mine. drinks
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 00: 19 New
              13
              Quote: perepilka
              Is there a "NATO" at all? Maybe a candle, for peace, cholic

              NATO is not. And there never was. NATO and its notorious 5 article are the same dream of premature countries as Comrade Bender has Rio de Janeiro. There is the USA and its bridgeheads in Europe. It is ALWAYS that the United States and any Turkey or the Baltic states — to seize and occupy the whole of them — are just a loss of a bridgehead, not a threat to the United States. Therefore, in the text of that 5 article there are 743 excuses, the meaning of which boils down to one - "deal with Moscow yourself, and we will impose some sanctions" ...

              By the way, with a clear threat to the United States, you can personally donate some bridgehead and sacrifice it with Turkey itself. Nikita Sergeich showed us how to push American missiles off our borders. The USA merged Turkey and did not frown. And once again they will merge, if necessary ... If it will again.
        2. Dyagilev
          Dyagilev 29 November 2015 20: 12 New
          +9
          Isn’t you posting in the networks that our special services blew up houses in Moscow, Volgodonsk?
        3. viktor561
          viktor561 29 November 2015 22: 26 New
          +1
          It seems like you're constantly reading media - so what is lost here? - Well, you write complete nonsense - Like, "The cat left the kittens - it's Putin's fault"
        4. APASUS
          APASUS 29 November 2015 22: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Apologet.Ru
          hi
          And I’m talking about the same thing ... In fact, the aircraft is outdated - the losses are minimal financially ... According to the pilot - the military (and especially intelligence) are essentially cynical people - and when global interests of the country are at stake - such an opportunity with some then% certainly took into account, but they hoped that would not happen, but war is war ...

          You either share information or don’t hammer nonsense, just
          I won’t believe that you made such difficult conclusions on the material from the press.
        5. 78bor1973
          78bor1973 29 November 2015 23: 54 New
          +1
          Yes, and the Syrian special forces shot at pilots, and also rented an F-16 from the Americans! fool
        6. bannik
          bannik 30 November 2015 02: 54 New
          +7
          Do you have real estate in Turkey? Today in one of the programs I heard that hundreds (???) of thousands of Russians who have real estate in Turkey will suffer. So, I officially declare: I DICK FOR THEM !!!
        7. Theola
          Theola 1 December 2015 22: 25 New
          0
          Purely Western logical construction. That's just what they always did. And along the way, everyone else was trying to smear this shit. Like we are not the only ones. This is not inherent in our people.
        8. Serhio
          Serhio 2 December 2015 00: 38 New
          0
          The version is very unlikely. Turkish ears stick out too much. And in the story with Maidan, star-striped. negative Rather, the strategic partners miscalculated. yes
      2. sir_obs
        sir_obs 29 November 2015 16: 39 New
        +9
        Which regiment served?
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 29 November 2015 17: 13 New
          -5
          In normal!
          Profile look! There is little information, but enough!
          Unlike those who do not write anything about themselves in their profiles or some kind of crap, such as "Cool"!
          1. sir_obs
            sir_obs 29 November 2015 17: 49 New
            21
            A profile is a fiction, but your straightforward reaction to irony shows that not in those.
            By the way., I am familiar with many pilots, among them there are generals, very famous people, some unfortunately are no longer with us. So none of them would have come up with a complete nonsense to voice.
            Do not confuse personal heroism (under a tank with a grenade) with outright cynicism.
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 29 November 2015 19: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: sir_obs
              Do not confuse personal heroism (under a tank with a grenade) with outright cynicism.
              I am familiar with many pilots, among them there are generals, very famous people, some unfortunately are no longer with us. So none of them would have come up with a complete nonsense to voice.

              Those. real order of the generals commanding: At all costs! To the last drop of blood! For the motherland! - IT'S FOR YOU - cynicism, nonsense? !!! The words? Those. you would say on such an order: I will not, I will not go, I do not want to be a hero?
              Yes, I personally would have shot, right away, right away !!!!!!
              Hm! EVERYTHING (even here, in VO!) Is understood and even many say that a warrior is coming!

              Personal heroism? those. if desired, is this a personal matter? Can I refuse? So?
              Equate to the phrase: "Do not confuse Personal coat with state?
              Well, actually! this is called - SKIN!
            2. sir_obs
              sir_obs 29 November 2015 19: 23 New
              12
              How much expression, you would have to square, speech to push.
              Follow the topic? Or how?

              And then grab the phrase out of context and procrastinate it in the frenzy of excitement ... this is an echo on a thread.

              It’s about cynically sending pilots to slaughter, the only way to interpret the meaning of what was written
              Or were the pilots aware that they would be killed? Was that the task?

              Even assuming that someone came up with a similar cynical idea, they would send a single-seat dryer (rook) to reduce the risk of losing a pilot, and her evivuity is an order of magnitude higher.

              And angry speeches for the Motherland, at any cost ... It's not worth it, I have not seen you in battle, and the words in your performance are just words
            3. Baikonur
              Baikonur 29 November 2015 20: 03 New
              -10
              Quote: sir_obs
              And angry speeches for the motherland, at all costs
              These are not "angry" speeches, but about valor!

              I have not seen you in battle
              I wasn’t in real battle, it’s never happened, GLORY TO GOD, which I wish for everyone! and you?
              But I have a concept about what is written in the Oath, because I took it!
              words in your performance are just words
              In your "execution" of the word is even easier!
              to snatch a phrase out of context and procrastinate it in the frenzy of excitement ... it's an echo some thread.
              И no thread "contexts" here does not even smell!

              PS: By the way, take an interest, at least, about the word - "hype".
            4. sir_obs
              sir_obs 29 November 2015 20: 07 New
              +4
              Didn’t they work in political workers for an hour?
              It is very similar to that ... "I personally and the like ..." We saw such

              Such a text only says that in a real battle or conditions that can be equated to them, you have never been,

              And therefore there is nothing more to talk about
              I have the honor.
            5. Baikonur
              Baikonur 29 November 2015 21: 22 New
              +2
              Not! Not in the "watered" workers "! (Probably, you are against the workers and peasants! Disdain! Since such sarcasm)
              He said in the profile where he served and now I serve!
              What, to report to you, to empty profiles? Horseradish!

              PS:
              How fast your company works!
              Immediately I have pure 5 cons! by all comments! Call up? Flocked together!
              Your time! Full moon.

              Total!
      3. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 November 2015 20: 02 New
        +2
        Since the days of Judah and the drunk in our country, democracy, pacifism is not prohibited, if I do not want to obey the order of the supreme, I will not !!! Pluralism is called, one of the conquests of shit democracy !!!
  2. family
    family tree 29 November 2015 18: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: Baikonur
    In normal!

    Dragging major, you really are what
    There are thirty trucks left, ours, after the termination of the ferry request Since they are so influential, it was possible to figure out all kinds of army detachment so that the wheels were neatly leaked and the faces were rided to the drivers. And there were more victims and a peaceful people, there Erdogan would not have had a break at all. Okkamsky, he wasn’t stupid, that you, with the Apologist, then produce entities what .
    Oh, and I don’t believe in your cynicism, excuse me, request
  3. vorobey
    vorobey 29 November 2015 22: 07 New
    +7
    Quote: Baikonur
    Profile look! There is little information, but enough!
    Unlike those who do not write anything about themselves in their profiles or some kind of crap, such as "Cool"!



    Quote: sir_obs
    Profile is fiction


    I absolutely agree ... whatever you write in your profile and whoever introduces yourself, the truth creeps out anyway ... just like a tanker sees a tanker and a pilot sees a pilot and everyone sees shkolota having read popular mechanics and seen a lot of discovery ... so we’ll leave the profiles alone and the crap that’s written in them like cool ... request
  4. viktor561
    viktor561 29 November 2015 23: 08 New
    0
    Do not make laugh - your profile is a complete fake - Baikonur only saw it in diapers
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 29 November 2015 16: 51 New
    -27
    hi
    You can call the "Turkish Gambit" (chess: donate 1 plane in order to declare "SHAH" to the king!)

    It was immediately evident that the “Sultan” was not in the know, the Janissaries from his inner circle elementarily set him up, therefore he rushed to look for sympathy in NATO in panic and rushed about in statements and excuses changing their meaning by 180 degrees ...
    And now he is urgently instilled with a “guilty feeling” in order to squeeze out something in Paris that they haven’t been able to solve in such a normal way for so long ...
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 29 November 2015 16: 55 New
      33
      It’s ridiculous ... we don’t need Eziz oglan, I don’t need to talk about Turks ... I don’t know the Turks from books and television programs, nor from the resorts.
      He set himself up, very greedy even for a Turk.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 29 November 2015 17: 55 New
        13
        By the way, Erdogashka is the only leader in the world with an EXCUSED JUDGMENT.
      2. demo
        demo 29 November 2015 19: 16 New
        +3
        Information ran that Erdogan from Adzharian Georgians.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 29 November 2015 20: 15 New
          +4
          It will be more correct from Adjars from Georgia .... Adjars are not Georgians, they are Adjars, a separate nationality ... Batumi is the hometown of the Adjars ... I have a fellow student from Adjara ...
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 29 November 2015 16: 58 New
      12
      I think you are right only in one thing - if there had been no tragedy with our aircraft, we could not have put the S-400 there. Now there are no special indignations from the West, and if we installed this complex earlier, then the high would be incredible! Therefore, I have been thinking for a long time: if our plane hadn’t been shot down, then, as they say, “it was necessary to come up with it” (grabbing “a little” minus signs).
      1. Throw
        Throw 29 November 2015 17: 40 New
        19
        events with the Russian Su brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!

        From such messages, ISIS can also be considered as a mega operation of the special services of the Russian Federation as an occasion for a military presence and consolidation in the Middle East bully
        In my opinion, this is a search for conspiracy theology ..)

        But personally, I do not exclude the version of the Turkish military’s initiative-to substitute Erdogan, to rock the political and economic situation in the country with the aim of seizing or redistributing power.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 29 November 2015 17: 55 New
          -13
          Quote: Lance
          From such messages, ISIS can also be considered as a mega operation of the special services of the Russian Federation as an occasion for a military presence and consolidation in the Middle East

          Do you think that no one thinks so? smile
          The minus is not mine.
        2. Throw
          Throw 29 November 2015 18: 45 New
          -3
          With this version, a lot of facts go against ..

          And your minus is not mine. Yes, who considers them nafik .. bully
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 20: 16 New
      +3
      Not only the S-400, the air group doubled! And this is just flowers, I think ...
    4. woron333444
      woron333444 29 November 2015 20: 42 New
      +7
      And I think that the s-400 was already there. And they would enter it like the planes which were not there, but then suddenly appeared. Just a downed aircraft accelerated the launch of the S-400
      1. Throw
        Throw 29 November 2015 23: 07 New
        -4
        And for whom did they launch? belay

        "Deployment" wink
        It only takes a few hours.

        And it is likely that the air defense system has already been deployed. Just did not talk about it for the time being ..
      2. bannik
        bannik 30 November 2015 03: 49 New
        0
        Well, here you are lying: from the railway, from the plane, from the “steamboat”, “getting to the ground” from the command “to battle” to the command “fire” - minutes!
        By the way, both from railway platforms, and from "steamboats" they can. Without getting unloaded!
      3. bannik
        bannik 30 November 2015 05: 41 New
        -2
        Sorry, missed the letter E! In the word .but.
      4. Throw
        Throw 30 November 2015 08: 49 New
        -1
        Minutes are from the march when the system is already deployed in the area / route of the cover!

        And she was transported to Syria by planes in a semi-disassembled form.
  • demo
    demo 29 November 2015 19: 12 New
    22
    When you don’t know who from your yard you slammed a neighbor’s glass into a glass, where will you run? In the village council?
    Not. Go to the neighbor and say the following.
    "You, Ivan, do not boil, we will insert the glass. But we will flush the prankster."
    You do not need a scandal.
    But if you knew, and put a stone in your hand, and showed you where to throw, then you need protection a priori.
    Then you need both the director and the party organizer and the asset so that everyone together would tell Ivan that it was necessary. The dead end of Ivan is painfully barking. Aiming at the Tuzik, and hit the glass.
    Well, it’s Ivan you yourself are to blame, you brought up such an evil dog.

    All clear.
    Elementary psychology of our life.

    This snake knew, she knew everything.
    And deliberately acted.
    7,62 him from Mosinka in the forehead.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 20: 26 New
      0
      Aerobatics of the special services are not direct directions to give, but to summarize, according to type independent actions ...
    2. the villain
      the villain 30 November 2015 01: 33 New
      0
      Quote: demo
      7,62 him from Mosinki in the forehead

      A lot of honor, this creature does not deserve a bullet. Lantern and rope - that's it am
  • Turkir
    Turkir 29 November 2015 19: 30 New
    10
    Too simplistic vision of complex intrigue.
    Erdogan dictator - Janissaries all from the Gray Wolves. They are nobody without Erdogan, he feeds them.
    Delusions of grandeur, mental imbalance, primitive ideology, make him an unreliable and therefore dangerous ally, even for the United States.
    He worships only power. Dangerous.
    An interesting precedent in world practice: Erdogan is a president with a criminal record. Viktor Yanukovych fell into a similar situation at one time, but formally, judicial claims were withdrawn. And then, quite officially, a politician who once was convicted of radicalism stood at the head of the country. In order to become prime minister in the early 2000s, legislation was even changed for him.

    Did the Turks miss the sultans?
  • Karlovar
    Karlovar 29 November 2015 20: 10 New
    0
    I also think that Taipych was framed by his own political opponents or corny selling skins (on the instructions of the State Department) .... All this combination, at least, including against Erdogan (“partners” like, as “chosen ones”, one with a shot of two or three birds with one stone) ... Erdogan was painfully obstinate and unpredictable for the "partners", at least on Kurdish and Iranian nuclear issues ...
  • lelikas
    lelikas 29 November 2015 17: 01 New
    18
    Quote: Baikonur
    You can call the Turkish Gambit!
    (chess: donate 1 plane (not a pilot) (even the plane is not the newest, and unaccompanied!) in order to declare “SHAH” to the king!)

    Then they would shoot it with NTV and Russia and not CNN. About the shooting of pilots in the air - generally silent.
  • FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 29 November 2015 17: 35 New
    12
    Yeah .. and Putin invited foreign correspondents too?
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 29 November 2015 18: 59 New
      14
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      Yeah .. and Putin invited foreign correspondents too?

      I would also add to your words and I invited the militants to this place and gave them cameras, well, I’ve dumped more cartridges.
      In my opinion, for some readers, the roof of the "marshal success" has gone to VO.
  • Love
    Love 29 November 2015 17: 46 New
    +3
    And who is this grandmaster? .. Personally, I don’t see those at the helm of power, so ... some "lovers"
  • nrex
    nrex 29 November 2015 19: 33 New
    +2
    Did you understand what you wrote?
  • Dyagilev
    Dyagilev 29 November 2015 20: 10 New
    +1
    The Maidan Gambit with snipers will also respond to both customers and patrons with a new coup.
  • tehnic
    tehnic 29 November 2015 21: 29 New
    +1
    Thank you for message. In your opinion, Erdogan is an agent of the Kremlin, and our Stirlitz is in Ankara.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 29 November 2015 21: 48 New
      +1
      In your opinion, Erdogan is an agent of the Kremlin, and our Stirlitz is in Ankara.

      No, b..lin!
      I emphasize - I suppose that ours knew that an "air ambush" had been created. FINALLY, NO ONE WILL TELL THIS !!! EVEN THE STOURMAN !!! Upon learning, we decided to use it to win the situation, we framed the old SU-24! They planned to save and evacuate the pilots (knowing that when an air-to-air missile is blown up (especially if you turn to it backwards) almost 100% are ejected unscathed, which happened!), But like in a real warrior, force majeure took place ! There was a ground ambush!

      Once again I say - an assumption !!!!!
      1. Kolesnikoff.dmitr
        Kolesnikoff.dmitr 30 November 2015 01: 14 New
        -2
        But I’m also wondering, judging by the data of Objective Control, the SU 24M was working on the left side and didn’t get close to the border. The F-16 cuts circles over its territory, and then the SU 24M makes a right turn to the border with Turkey, the F-16 happily goes on the attack and knocks Sushka without warning. Perhaps the situation has been brewing for a long time and ours decided to check the Turks. It is unlikely that they expected what would happen.
  • bannik
    bannik 30 November 2015 02: 28 New
    0
    Well, why didn’t you fly the Su-24 ?! Everything would immediately fall into place and no "Turkish gambits"!
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 29 November 2015 16: 38 New
    28
    Nobody is interested in the opinion of NATO, in Syria our base is given just how many forces and means there should be for us to decide.
    I have been to Syria, my classmate has served there for 15 years. Neither then nor now did anyone have any thoughts to ask the opinion of NATO, and even more so now.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 29 November 2015 17: 57 New
      -7
      Listen, dear, you won’t tell our base in the SAR, the name for example .. place of deployment, the MTO point does not count, it’s not just not a full-fledged base, it’s just a repair workshop with stocks of spare parts and consumables, with paramilitary security forces assigned to it! No one will exceed these forces, much less contain offensive weapons there !!!
      1. sir_obs
        sir_obs 29 November 2015 18: 32 New
        10
        Dear, the fact that Yeltsin, in a drunken stupor, ruined everything and ruined the infrastructure in Tartus to a couple of berths and reduced the staff to 50 people, does not exclude the fact that this place cannot be called a base, although it was also called a logistics point in Soviet times .
        Then there was no point in keeping a large contingent there.
        And this does not mean at all that in order to build it you need to ask someone for permission, except of course the legitimate authority.
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 29 November 2015 16: 44 New
    +8
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    Throw away emotions and count already received + ...

    The enemies of Russia have done so many mistakes and crimes that they are already drowning in their own shit.
    So throw away your emotions and realize that any action to the detriment of Russia by the power of the brilliant possibilities of “erefii” and “darkest” is reincarnated according to the method of another Russian scientist “Boomerang” and thrashes without mercy for the initiator of this action.
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 29 November 2015 16: 47 New
    16
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    count already received +

    What + did Russia get from a downed plane, even a couple, offhand?
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 29 November 2015 18: 00 New
      -22
      Which + received Russia

      Points! Either remove pink, or wear with diopter!
      Transition to other relations with Turkey and NATO! took the reins in their own hands! We can now dictate! What did they achieve for a long time! And now they look at us differently! (glasses with diopters all dressed!)
      This is the first +!
      There is more! Look at both! Analyze! Just suggested, sent!

      P.S. Sorry for some sharpness!
      With respect!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 November 2015 18: 04 New
        22
        Quote: Baikonur
        Just suggested, sent!

        Thank you, great teacher.
        Quote: Baikonur
        We can now dictate!

        What to dictate? I have a feeling that you are periodically under psychotropic drugs.
        Quote: Baikonur
        Points! Either remove pink, or wear with diopter!

        What kind of nonsense?
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 29 November 2015 18: 19 New
          -14
          Hmm, offended? What is psychotropy here? to hurt, offend - that's all you can.
          And what pathos: "Great teacher!" I’m not a teacher for you! Just ask yourself to evaluate. Analyze.
          Minus, by the way, not from me!
          Please do not answer!
          I said everything and I do not want polemics with you! Especially in public. Moreover, you just humiliate me.

          PS: And you quickly study (check for answers!)
          Hit, then, by pride.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 29 November 2015 18: 29 New
            +8
            Quote: Baikonur
            Minus, by the way, not from me!

            Yes, and I did not minus you.
            Quote: Baikonur
            Hit, then, by pride.

            You flatter yourself. wink
            Quote: Baikonur
            And what pathos

            laughing good Who would talk about pathos.
          2. Baikonur
            Baikonur 29 November 2015 18: 41 New
            -18
            Specially used the word "PAPHOS" (recently entered into use here), depending on how you react! laughing I (Yes, and many) have recently thrown this word, even without a hint of it!
            Clear hit!
            And then here, in VO, the names "URA-, URYA-, URRYA-, URRRYA-patriots!" (It was fashionable! laughing ) Now - a fashionably new word - PAPHOS! Although even in fact it does not quite fit! They mold this word a lot when they are offended crying !!!
            laughing
          3. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 29 November 2015 19: 08 New
            +4
            Quote: Baikonur
            Specially used the word "PAPHOS" (recently entered into use here), depending on how you react!

            Quote: Baikonur
            Clear hit!

            Yes, you are an expert on human souls. yes
            Quote: Baikonur
            Although even in fact it does not quite fit!

            To your posts? From the wiki: “Paphos - the method of addressing the emotions of an audience. Corresponds to the style, manner or method of expression of feelings, which are characterized by emotional sublimity, inspiration, dramatization. Emphasize the pathos of the heroic ..."
            Quote: Baikonur
            when they are offended

            You flatter yourself again. laughing
          4. Turkir
            Turkir 29 November 2015 19: 08 New
            +4
            Although even in fact it does not quite fit!

            Well, yes, they don’t understand, but how it sounds!
            Paphos is a passionate speech (!), You can talk with pathos, but not write.
            Reception of oratory, rhetoric. Often confused with aplomb or with pompous or florid writing.
          5. Baikonur
            Baikonur 29 November 2015 19: 24 New
            -22
            Do not tell them, wikistuders, new savory words! laughing
            These are local zombie sticky commentators!
            You look, the article is 300 comments! You read them, and there - most of them - "dialogues" stuck-ghouls!
            Wow!
  • your1970
    your1970 29 November 2015 19: 25 New
    +6
    and what can we dictate? if it's not a secret? now, like 100%, there will be a "stream" or what? At the moment, besides everyone understood that it’s better not to wake a bear (this is important by the way !!!) - what are the advantages?
    BV ours, no, it’s still common, there are a lot of players, including Israel
    Rising prices for vegetables / fruits / textiles / leisure - has already happened.
    The opportunity to supply Syria’s weapons - and who interfered? They brought themselves to them, handed them right there, business.
    What other “joys” from this incident are there to see the actions of our special services in it?
    Threat the probability of Turkey’s support for NATO was quite high, as well as the possibility of war with NATO
  • boris-1230
    boris-1230 29 November 2015 21: 09 New
    +3
    Points! Either remove pink, or wear with diopter!
    Transition to other relations with Turkey and NATO! took the reins in their own hands! We can now dictate! What did they achieve for a long time! And now they look at us differently! (glasses with diopters all dressed!)
    This is the first +!
    There is more! Look at both! Analyze! Just suggested, sent!

    P.S. Sorry for some sharpness!
    With respect!

    I will answer with a quote:
    Your idea is very fresh and original, we carefully studied it and, as a result, made a firm decision to buy a couple of kilograms of the grass that you smoke ...
    fool
  • igorka357
    igorka357 29 November 2015 18: 03 New
    +5
    To be honest without irony, there are a lot of them !!! Now we can stupidly put any EW and air defense there to protect our airborne forces, in the quantity that we consider necessary! The Greeks .. also cry from the Turks aviation, but they are NATO allies ... driven in ...! Of course, I do not consider this to be planned by Moscow, but no matter how unfortunate it sounded, this incident gave the GDP such a sharp tool for influencing BV that my mother doesn’t cry ... yes, anything like supplying the Kurds and recognizing the Kurdistan, and I’m sure the poor fellow of Erdogan’s GDP will not be pumped weakly, and with it half of BV!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 29 November 2015 18: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: igorka357
      ! Now we can stupidly put any electronic warfare and air defense systems there in an amount we consider necessary to protect our airborne forces!

      And BEFORE this, they could not !?
      Quote: igorka357
      wedges driven ...

      There is a misunderstanding between them for a very long time, so nothing new.
      Quote: igorka357
      I am sure the poor fellow of Erdogan’s GDP will not be pumped weakly, and with it half of BV!

      I would really like that to be so.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 30 November 2015 09: 12 New
        0
        Prior to this, at the mention of the fact that we put the S-400 there was such a howl in the west that my mother did not cry !!! And now there is such silence ...))) and not only the S-400 but also offensive weapons can be put there!
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 20: 36 New
      +1
      In the current situation, it is possible to introduce a brigade of marines (with all related equipment) to Syria to protect Khmeimim and Tartus .... And the West will have nothing special to say ....
  • lelikas
    lelikas 29 November 2015 16: 51 New
    11
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    Throw away emotions and count already received + ...
    Or do you think that a (only / even) dramatic increase in the size of the group in Syria would go under the applause of NATO?

    Its number is limited only by logistics, the number of combat-ready ships, the crappy state of the PMTO and a small airfield. Further, as Galygin said - And for everything else -Sraaaat ..
    A reason would be needed - at night they would release a couple of NURSs, along the empty edge of the strip and under the pretext of strengthening security measures, increase everything that is needed.
    The EU, and so, more than opaque hinted about the continuation of sanctions and beyond - so there was nothing to lose anyway.
    With a patriotic spirit in the country - everything seems to be in order as well - no need to raise it higher ..
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 29 November 2015 17: 22 New
    11
    I do not agree, because special services at random, do not work. And all these dealings with preferences, this grandmother even, not in two, but in three said.
    Well, as for the Crimea and the Maidan, I could certainly join the wording "nonsense", but since you ask for arguments ...
    There was no power at that time in Ukraine, but there was still no junta. There was a US ambassador, and Mrs. Nuland, plus, not formalized, not into that herd. What permissions? But it was useless to ask Nuland and the ambassador for permission, because of the NATO bases you mentioned, or rather their desires.
    Well, something like this...
    Oh yes, and about permissions, conspiracies and secret negotiations. After one and a half years of reign, the Ukrainian “power” cannot raise the two pillars of the power transmission line, they do not let the poor go, and you are trying to attribute decisions to them at the Crimea level.
  • Vikings
    Vikings 29 November 2015 17: 25 New
    +9
    Russia does not need the applause of the West! Russia
    located in Syria, legally.
  • bovig
    bovig 29 November 2015 18: 04 New
    +9
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    Throw away emotions and count already received + ...
    Or do you think that a (only / even) dramatic increase in the size of the group in Syria would go under the applause of NATO?


    Received + ???)))) Your deeply philosophical remark is not without meaning, the only question is: what? The "filigree work of the special services" can be "summed up", but cannot be calculated ahead with such accuracy in such details - this already reminds more of conspiracy theology in the style of "world conspiracy" ... This is not an argument, it is an assessment! The advantages, this is not a gift, but the result of an operational reaction to changes ... Do you know Aikido?)))) When you are attacked, do not resist, but act on the principle of: rejecting, joining and escorting ... Then you can use the enemy’s strength against him himself - he misses, fails, and thanks to his "escort" he takes a position that is favorable to you ... This is also not an argument, but a "remark" in your style! Now about the received + ... Complication of relations with Turkey is beneficial for anyone in the economic context? To question the implementation of the Turkish Stream project, who benefits? Correctly, Ukraine and the USA! So maybe this is the filigree work of the SBU and the CIA ???)))))) How do you like this option? And what is happening at the moment in Ukraine by its leadership is explained very easily: the US “A” plan to deploy its bases in Crimea and eastern Ukraine failed, material assistance to Ukraine in its integration into the EU is like a stone on the neck, and therefore the most reasonable the solution is Plan B: to ruin its entire industry and infrastructure as much as possible by hanging this “stone" on the neck of the Russian economy ... Fershtein?
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 21: 01 New
      +7
      Regarding the conspiracy theory, on Thursday, Shakhnazarov at Solovyov said: people from the age of 5 begin to conspire, this is the nature of man! Why not be a conspiracy against such a huge society like Russia ??? !!! From experience I’ll say that in everyday life conspiracies, intrigues weave against the successful, against the decent and against the weak ... In the latter case, it would be more correct to say mockery .... Regarding the Turkish Stream, I have long been saying that it will not be GDP didn’t hope for its implementation (TP-in its purest form, a share of cover), therefore, the Nord Stream-2 agreement followed. And about the fate of Turkish or South flows, this is a headache for the EU, or rather, Southern and Eastern Europe (in the EU for each country their selfish interests and sacrifice a neighbor is not a great sin), not Russia. In Ukraine, it’s better to get it with a collapsed economy (and you can restore it with the help of Chinese capital, they have money like dust) than to get a new Rzhechpolitaya on its borders (for reference, the Russian Empire was solving the problem with the Polish-Lithuanian united state in for a century and a half, from the Polish occupation of Moscow to 4 sections of Poland) ....
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 29 November 2015 18: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    Throw away emotions and count already received + ...

    What are the advantages? Huge expenses for a military operation (what do we have nowhere to get money?), The death of our military are pluses? This is a necessary measure, not pluses!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 29 November 2015 19: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Bayonet
      What are the advantages?

      The fact that US-created terrorist organizations are being destroyed far from our borders.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 21: 06 New
      +2
      In geopolitics, not everything is measured by finances .... As in ordinary life, the truth is not for everyone, or rather, for a few .... at the present time ...
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  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 30 November 2015 01: 26 New
    +1
    laughing What does it have to do with emotions, it would be necessary for a doctor ..... to put the world on the brink of war, for the sake of preferences for business? So already, all big business is on the verge of nationalization for government securities. The first combat clashes at sea or in the air and stock exchanges stop. Everything goes into the economy of war. There is one. You would drink less on weekends ....
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  • PQ-18
    PQ-18 29 November 2015 17: 29 New
    +3
    Complete nonsense.

    NOT AT ALL ...
    If you start a war with Daesh, behind which Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc., then ..
    ASKED FOR:
    1. How effectively and without suspicion to wrap YOUR tourists "in the right direction"? (Terrorist attack)
    2.How to activate Europe in the ACTIVE and EFFECTIVE fight against Daesh? (Terrorist attack)
    3. Unless, in the Russian special services, silly and naive “specialists” are sitting, who could not have foreseen these events, did not know about rasPIZ.kom attitude to security at Egyptian airports?
    Or are they only AFTER the terrorist attack, tourists and correspondents “opened their eyes” to negligence at Egyptian airports ??

    The passivity of the Russian authorities and special services was too suspicious, when TENS of your defenseless tourists rest in countries teeming with terrorists and radicals, and the country's armed forces are actively waging war with them ... There were only "victorious broadcasts about the destruction of HQs and camps"
    Then QUESTION ... DO NOT idiot`s rule us ?!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 29 November 2015 18: 16 New
      -7
      It has long been known that we have the dictatorship of Putin, and if the authorities forbade our tourists to fly, then no one was surprised in the West. Seriously, well, really, if the authorities told you not to fly, what would you fly? Who would be indignant? Lech Navalny? So what? To hell with a garden fence?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 29 November 2015 19: 17 New
        +8
        Quote: avva2012
        the authorities forbade our tourists to fly,

        There is no ban, there are recommendations not to go, so that later there would be no complaints in which case. The same goes for tour operators. And if there is a desire to search for adventures on your ass - in a good way, only in private order, no one will keep. hi
        Guide to help! smile
    2. your1970
      your1970 29 November 2015 19: 29 New
      +3
      "Too suspicious was passivity French authorities and special services, when TENS of thousands of your defenseless tourists rest in countries teeming with terrorists and radicals, and the country's armed forces are actively waging war with them ... There were only "victorious broadcasts on the destruction of HQs and camps"
      Then QUESTION ... DO NOT idiot`s rule us?! "

      Almost literally it was said about Paris (with 130 victims) - "am I also a chapel?!" (Our special services) ??? !!!!
      fool
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 21: 14 New
      +2
      In the summer I flew by plane from Moscow, in flight the woman became ill (very), I and another peasant, like doctors, had to provide first aid ... In general, we decided to go on an emergency landing .... And here from among passengers from anywhere take the "passenger" -fsbeshnik, definitely, and give directions to the stewardesses, pilots .... From that moment I clearly know that on every flight the fsbeshnik flies in any way !!! So here it is ....
      1. family
        family tree 29 November 2015 21: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Karlovar
        From that moment I clearly know that in every flight the FSB fly in any way !!! So here it is ....

        Well, I decided everything right, Although, doctors, with mathematical statistics, seem to be friends too what. Not, here we have, the techies, there involuntarily all of these samples, with their representativeness, MTBFs, groups of failures, data collection, send to be summarized, although, in the USSR, everything was just, mother, medical worker, also constantly handed over statistics to the head physician, in the near future what
        And then again, and the conclusion is iron! I respect, cho wink
    4. dauria
      dauria 30 November 2015 00: 59 New
      0
      Then QUESTION ... DO NOT idiot`s rule us ?!


      No, not idiot`s, just ordinary traders. It explains everything. smile
  • Deff
    Deff 30 November 2015 00: 59 New
    +2
    IMHO, everything in Derevensky is simpler: Rossneft is concerned about the decline in the price of oil - the task was to block the supply of cheap oil, reducing the drop, along with the militants and Erdogan. Therefore, provocations on the part of Erdogan were expected, as evidenced by the time-tracked image of F-15 circling-waiting around the flight zone of our bomber. Actually the question: Lack of accompaniment with such well-known parameters as a specialist or ...
  • arni
    arni 30 November 2015 17: 24 New
    +2
    All Russian aircraft use a warning station
    irradiation of ACT 15 “Birch”.

    Radar type and class symbols provide complete information about the type of attacking
    weapon systems.

    question to .....
  • Sheikh
    Sheikh 29 November 2015 16: 27 New
    +5
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT bully .
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!
    (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)
    If this is so, then literally in the near future we will see confirmation - at or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris - this is the solution on the Russian conditions of the issue of the construction of the Turkish Stream and the receipt of other tasty preferences for Russian business and interests in the Mediterranean basin with full support from Turkey ....

    An analogy for comparison and skeptics - because "do not allow" the Darkest Kiev Maidan


    no, guys, don’t, I just calmed down about Bandera - well, like, normal Ukrainians are silent, foam and galloping are floating on the surface, but don’t have to judge people by garbage, do not demand from me a revival of contempt for the entire Ukrainian nation.
    1. VECHESLAVIAN
      VECHESLAVIAN 29 November 2015 17: 44 New
      +8
      There is no such nation - "Ukrainians", there are Rusyns and Little Russia, remember this. As long as there are Ukrainians, there will be constant betrayal and bestiality on their part. Rogulism is a disease that is treated with lead bumblebee and a rope on a ray. For Ukraine is like a “black hole” in outer space through which all military secrets and technologies have gone, to those who generously paid for them. China began to forge tanks, planes and ships by leaps and bounds, because svidy parasites really tried at the time to provide them with all the secrets of the military-industrial complex of the former USSR. Anton Ivanovich Denikin was right when he said that he was a servile people.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 29 November 2015 18: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: VECHESLAVIAN
        There is no such nation - "Ukrainians", there are Rusyns and Little Russia, remember this. As long as there are Ukrainians, there will be constant betrayal and bestiality on their part

        sorry. but they forgot more Galicians, who are the heart of Ukrainians.
        Not in the subject, but according to the Russian spring ....
        In Kiev, on the Maidan, on the night of 29 on November 30, the torchlight procession will begin on the second anniversary of the dispersal of the Euromaidan.
        “In memory of the tragic events of that brutal night, the organizers plan to pay a visit with specific claims and requirements to the Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin and the Minister of the Interior Arsen Avakov. Activists also plan to visit President Petro Poroshenko, ”the organizers say.
        XXXX
        They caught up with the police, they search people, and for good reason ...
        "According to the report, on Kostelnaya Street, a suspicious young man came into the view of law enforcement officers.
        “When checking his personal belongings, police officers seized three pistols, two grenades, two balaclavas, and fake documents, including the rights of the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. All these items were seized and handed over for examination. Their owner was an 17-year-old guy who was heading for events taking place on Independence Square. "
        1. Insurgent LC
          Insurgent LC 29 November 2015 19: 51 New
          +2
          lower gun pneumatics rest gunshot
    2. Halfunra
      Halfunra 29 November 2015 21: 05 New
      +1
      And what !
      Our marine and pilot became hostages ??? fool fool fool hi
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  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 29 November 2015 16: 37 New
    13
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    "do not allow" the Darkest Kiev Maidan

    Did he allow it? Nuland distributed cookies.
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 29 November 2015 16: 43 New
      -17
      hi

      Yeah, then the then Ambassador of Russia to Ukraine. as well as the residency of the GRU, the FSB, etc. itp, like those who slap the military coup and show complete non-professionalism and uselessness in Kolyma waving sledgehammers ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 29 November 2015 17: 09 New
        18
        Comrade, are you, by any chance, not from the CIA (Central Intelligence of Ukraine)? It is necessary to think of it to bring down our pilots. Yeah. And then, connect agents from the Gray Wolves. Yeah. So that they mock the pilot’s corpse. Yeah. Zhidomassony, not otherwise, in the government settled. I can advise a doctor. Soulful person.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 29 November 2015 17: 50 New
        +9
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        Yeah, then the then Ambassador of Russia to Ukraine. as well as the residency of the GRU, the FSB, etc. etc., as having slapped a military coup and showing complete non-professionalism and futility

        Have you slept? That is, the "darkest" did not allow him? Already progress. As for the rest, the CIA had a big handicap there, about a decade after the perestroika, so it’s insulting, but expected.
      3. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 29 November 2015 20: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        residency of the GRU, the FSB, etc. itp, like those who have spoiled a military coup

        belay about how, this is a turn - Moscow overslept the coup.

        but I then think that it’s Vnaukraintsy are so angry at M grins
      4. family
        family tree 29 November 2015 22: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        Yeah, then the then Ambassador of Russia to Ukraine. as well as the residency of the GRU, the FSB, etc. etc., as having slapped a military coup and showing complete non-professionalism and futility

        Bly-in! Do you know how much a nanny in Moscow gets? And in Paris?
        Show the agreement that Russia promised to babysit with Ukraine. As small children, by golly, all owe them something.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 November 2015 19: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Dart2027
      Nuland distributed cookies.

      And he bought them in a grocery store on Khreshchatyk before that! Well, how is the version? laughing
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 29 November 2015 19: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        And he bought them in a grocery store on Khreshchatyk before that! Well, how is the version?

        Is there evidence?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 29 November 2015 19: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Dart2027
          Is there evidence?

          There is smile
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 21: 19 New
      +3
      Action involves not only counteraction (action), but also inaction .... Both methods of work ... The second method is more subtle ...
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 29 November 2015 16: 39 New
    +5
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    The argument was presented in advance.
    Watch the movie "Brother."
  • lelikas
    lelikas 29 November 2015 16: 40 New
    11
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    INFORMATION FOR MEDITATION ...
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!
    (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)
    If this is so, then literally in the near future we will see confirmation - at or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris - this is the solution on the Russian conditions of the issue of the construction of the Turkish Stream and the receipt of other tasty preferences for Russian business and interests in the Mediterranean basin with full support from Turkey ....

    Nah, an extremely senseless undertaking, an idea with relatives of the one that was yesterday - provided Crimea with tourists, what for Pu to block so many economically profitable projects? Well, the Turks would support the sanctions, and so, although everything is decided, but we also lose a lot. This hour in general, it seems that Edorgan himself does not understand why he muddied all this up, sort of like a big blue, you can do things, and in the morning - even tear your hair off your head - what the hell happened.
    It looks like America will help us! Followed by a throw from this.
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 29 November 2015 16: 56 New
      -15
      hi
      We haven’t lost anything yet - everything is just declarations ...
      The Sultan is now urgently instilled with a “guilty feeling” in order to squeeze out something in Paris that they haven’t been able to solve in such a normal way for so long ...
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 29 November 2015 17: 40 New
        +3
        Somehow the sultan with a sense of guilt so far, not really ... But at least one strategic project is already at risk. I mean "Turkish Stream".
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 29 November 2015 18: 09 New
          +9
          lelikas
          This hour in general, it seems that Erdorgan himself does not understand why he muddied all this,
          33 Observer (1)
          Somehow the sultan with guilt so far, not really ...
          Erdogan just understands everything! Do not think that Erdogan is so naive? Everything is clear here.
          Erdogan has his own private oil business stolen in Syria. The business he wants to save. Erdogan is a business raider, thief and bandit. It was not easy for him to collaborate with the gangs of the Islamic State — in fact, he created them, hired them so that the Ishilovites would forcefully squeeze Syrian property — the national natural resources of Syria — oil. In his pocket.
          Erodogan has the same raider business that was widespread in Russia in the 90-s - during the period of the initial accumulation of capital, when all kinds of nouveau riche raiders with the help of hired bandit groups "squeezed" the privatized state-owned enterprises in the country into their pockets - t .e. former public property.
          The scheme for robbing Syrian oil by Erdogan is the same - with the only difference being that Erdogan is a raider from Turkey, and oil is the property of another country - Syria, and at the same time IS militants are mercenary bandits both from Turkey itself and any other gangster rabble from other countries. And the fact that the Iglovtsy gangster under the flag of radical Islam was a convenient cover for the very fact of a raider robbery of minerals of Syria by Turkey itself - by the same Erdogan and his clan. In other words, the IG was and still has a master!
          Erdogan does not regret anything. He defended and will protect himself and his business from bankruptcy. And for this, he will go for other crimes - if he is not stopped.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 29 November 2015 21: 30 New
            +1
            Europe is not very happy with the prospect of catching problems to please Erdogan’s private business .... And in Europe, wolves live more than Erdogan ....
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      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 November 2015 21: 26 New
        +1
        I think that everything will be limited to declarations ... Only responsible citizens will privately boycott Turkish resorts, goods and services ... But Erdogan, in the process, will apologize a little later, otherwise the Turkish business will blow his head off shoulders (by the way, big business in Turkey is more than half controlled by the Kurds, that's a fact) ...
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 29 November 2015 17: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: lelikas
      This hour in general, it seems that edorgan himself does not understand why he muddied all this

      Perhaps not everyone opens it up, the creation of an incident, the creation of an informational background in the media, the formation of a military group to supposedly eliminate possible incidents in the future, the creation of an incident, the introduction of a military group in the adjacent territory to solve its tasks
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  • 44 World
    44 World 29 November 2015 16: 49 New
    +5
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT bully .
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!
    (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)
    If this is so, then literally in the near future we will see confirmation - at or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris - this is the solution on the Russian conditions of the issue of the construction of the Turkish Stream and the receipt of other tasty preferences for Russian business and interests in the Mediterranean basin with full support from Turkey ....

    An analogy for comparison and skeptics - if you hadn’t "allowed" the Darkest Kiev Maidan - Russia would now be without Crimea and with American bases at the gates ...
    No?
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    Do not confuse the professionalism of our special services, which can be taxied out of any situation and turned a minus into a plus with another conspiracy theory, we will not start unfounded except your imagination ...
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 29 November 2015 16: 59 New
      +3
      hi
      And what is impossible to dream up already? Or just approvals and nothing else? BUT?
      Or discussion of articles on this forum only with 100% consensus on what is happening?
      Something similar in recent history, it reminds, no?
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 29 November 2015 17: 16 New
        +9
        Quote: Apologet.Ru

        Something similar in recent history, it reminds, no?

        Reminds me - when the whole area "Who doesn’t jump ,,,,"
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 November 2015 17: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        Or discussion of articles on this forum only with 100% consensus on what is happening?

        Did someone forbid you to express your thoughts? request
      3. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 29 November 2015 17: 43 New
        +3
        It is this (discussion) that I am doing with you. And about the story, it always, something, someone, but reminds me, because develops in a spiral.
      4. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 29 November 2015 17: 46 New
        +8
        Your hypothesis is completely unsound.
        1) It has already been proven that this was an operation prepared by the United States and carried out by Turkey.
        2) The incident is to the detriment of the interests of the Russian Federation in Syria. Our special services have long been a true picture of what is happening, including real, rather than declared intentions of the coalition led by the United States. In fact, no one has anything against Assad, a slander is formed in order to eliminate the President of Syria to destroy the country. The goal of the West is to create a puppet pseudo-state in Syria, which today are Iraq and Libya.
        3) Russia had no intention of spoiling relations with Turkey, too much has been invested there and there is an influential economic Turkish lobby in Russian circles. Therefore, they were silent about the oil purchased and Isil.
        4) The situation after the incident is not in Russia's favor. Despite some statements, the whole world believes that the plane for a long time brazenly flew over the territory of Turkey and did not respond to warnings. Not counting and individual shares in different countries, except in Russia nothing is known about these shares, the press kept silent.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 29 November 2015 19: 24 New
          0
          Quote: olimpiada15
          1) It has already been proven that this was an operation prepared by the United States and carried out by Turkey.

          By whom, when, as well as documents please!
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 29 November 2015 22: 43 New
            -2
            That's it! And even so, couldn’t our intelligence reconsider and counter-strike this ?!
            Naturally, no one would guess !!!!!!! The scheme and plan should not be obvious, especially ALL !!!!! fool
            1. viktor561
              viktor561 29 November 2015 22: 55 New
              +3
              Dear Baikonur, how could you serve at Baikonur? - Name the part number (Baikonur from 91 abroad and you were 18 at 93) Yes, you have been on the forum for 200 days and 1500 comments (more than 7 per day) - do you live here?
              1. Baikonur
                Baikonur 30 November 2015 09: 58 New
                0
                very simple! in the 92nd from Leninsk (Baikonur - from 95), after graduating from high school (I was not 17 yet (you probably don’t know, but at the Higher Education Institutions enrollment goes after school, not after 18 years, as if by call!) 97th was distributed by the lieutenant back, of his own free will (report) in military unit 13951 (1 FE (Measuring point)) .Then he served there in 2006 in several units! In 2006 he transferred to the Moscow Region!

                P.S. : And there are many who write dozens of comments per day and even an hour!
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        3. Poplar505
          Poplar505 29 November 2015 20: 16 New
          +3
          Yes, the whole "philistine" world absolutely does not care what is there in Syria. Those who more or less influence any decisions know the truth. All the rest are interested only in what is happening in their municipalities. And they do not make any decision. Let's not fool ourselves.
          The United States simply framed Turkey. The goal, as they said, was to cut off Europe from Russian gas and oil. To tear down Turkey (creation of Kurdistan, Greater Armenia, applicants-Bulgaria, Georgia). The existence of Israel is at stake — only enemies. It is possible to destroy Syria only by ousting Russia from its bases; this is understandable without words. We hope that large losses on our part will be the reason. And we can suffer losses if the Turks begin a ground operation in Latakia. And they will go for it when the United States gives the go-ahead. Only after that they themselves will be left without pants. Here is one of the scenarios. Only the overseas "partner" is the winner.
        4. Karlovar
          Karlovar 29 November 2015 21: 38 New
          +3
          Doesn’t the strategy and tactics involve taking into account the likely actions of the enemy and using the actions of the enemy in their favor ??? Above, a man gave an example of fighting aikido fighter ....
      5. Kite
        Kite 29 November 2015 18: 03 New
        +7
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        And what is impossible to dream up already?

        Fantasy (delusional) you have there are very many suffer. Parashenka and the rabbit, and all who are near them. Do you also rub near them and become infected? Parashenko voiced a new portion of nonsense about centuries-old hybrid warsRussia with its part - Little Russia.
      6. unsinkable
        unsinkable 29 November 2015 18: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        And what is impossible to dream up already?

        Dear, if you wanted to fantasize, then before your comment you just had to write- * suppose that *. And there would be no misunderstandings. And it looks like a provocation and a desire to PR. negative
    2. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 29 November 2015 17: 19 New
      -14
      hi
      Do not confuse the professionalism of our special services, which can steer from any situation and turn a minus into a plus

      If we discard my version, then talking about any professionalism of the Russian special services on this issue is generally not appropriate, especially considering the number of them, their agents, sympathizers and public volunteers from the population of local and neighboring countries ...
      It’s more appropriate to ask a question, for what they get paid there ...
      By the way, have you ever met a mention about the intelligence services in connection with what happened?
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 29 November 2015 18: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        By the way, have you ever met a mention about the intelligence services in connection with what happened?


        Well, actually, if the special services are well-known, and they are talked about, these are badly working special services! yes

        An exception is special information operations. hi
      2. unsinkable
        unsinkable 29 November 2015 18: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        If you drop my version

        Yes, all your versions need to be discarded. It's just that you are looking for like-minded people here, which means you are a provocateur. (You intentionally). According to your version: Putin agreed with Pidrogan that the Turks would bring down our plane, and at a meeting in Paris, Pidrogan would ask Putin ease sanctions in exchange for permission to build a gas pipeline. Where is the logic? Why all this fuss? For the collapse of their own economy?
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 29 November 2015 19: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        If we discard my version, then talking about any professionalism of the Russian special services on this issue is generally not appropriate, especially considering the number of them, their agents, sympathizers and public volunteers from the population of local and neighboring countries ..

        Do you have a list of these most unlucky agents and sympathetic volunteers?
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        By the way, have you ever met a mention about the intelligence services in connection with what happened?

        Really serious omission of our tabloid press, well, forgot to publish a report! bully
  • SeAl2014
    SeAl2014 29 November 2015 16: 50 New
    +5
    You really would have gotten hungry first ... Huh?
    This is me to Apologet.Ru
  • ava09
    ava09 29 November 2015 16: 53 New
    +6
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    on or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris

    Participation in the oligarchic Sabbath (climate conference) is also a "brilliant operation of the special services"?
  • Proxima
    Proxima 29 November 2015 16: 54 New
    13
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT bully .
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILIERED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services?! [/ B]

    Well, let's say everything is so cynically conceived. But, the loss of two servicemen and two units of aircraft obviously will not raise the prestige of our state. About the moral aspect of this “operation”, I’d better keep quiet. You probably judge people by yourself. So applaud better than your shamelessness.
  • nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 29 November 2015 16: 54 New
    +3
    Apologet.Ru (3) UA Today, 16:19 ↑
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!
    (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)
    If this is so, then literally in the near future we will see confirmation - at or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris - this is the solution on the Russian conditions of the issue of the construction of the Turkish Stream and the receipt of other tasty preferences for Russian business and interests in the Mediterranean basin with full support from Turkey ....

    An analogy for comparison and skeptics - if you hadn’t "allowed" the Darkest Kiev Maidan - Russia would now be without Crimea and with American bases at the gates ...
    No?
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    I am more inclined to think that if this was an operation, then only by necessity. For example, the competent services received information that Turkey was ready to bring down our plane. It is better to lose it in a famous place in a more or less famous place and save the pilots than to get a fall at the most unexpected moment and public execution of the pilot and navigator with video broadcast on Youtube. True, something went wrong with the rescue operation: apparently, they did not think that the kebabs were safe from ground support, hence the loss in the form of two people. Therefore, if this fall was planned, it is impossible to call the incident an ideal operation. But still, part of the goals was achieved: it is safe to say that Russia will not receive more such “stabs in the back”, the Turks will stop impuding Syria, and the strengthening of the air defense group went without a noticeable howl, because it is difficult to deny that the country after the loss aircraft with a pilot does not have the right to prevent such cases. But you don’t care minus, just because I don’t quite share your cheers.
  • Elfhybr
    Elfhybr 29 November 2015 16: 57 New
    13
    It may well be such a fantastic story. In the modern world, exploded by information technology, in which now it seemed you couldn’t hide a needle in a haystack, it turned out that there was no truth at all. All events, even the simplest and most understandable ones, looked like a mystery of the Tungu meteorite: whether it was flying, or it was not flying, or UFO, or antimatter, etc. So it was with the missing Boeing, so it was with the plane crash near Donetsk, with the attack of the SU-24.
    But still, this is most likely a beautiful fantasy. The special services of the Russian Federation will not pull such a powerful scenario, most likely they worked according to the situation.
    Ukraine is to blame. But why in Europe, say, in Belgium there are three state languages ​​(and nothing has broken up), and Ukraine could not do this for the Russian language. I think both the Crimea and the Donbass would immediately calm down. Since they lived in Ukraine so much time and were not needed by Russia, I think that they would have stayed, so say thanks to your nationalistic idiots.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 29 November 2015 16: 59 New
    -6
    don’t even try. Such opinions are not popular here. Everyone thinks that we are a model and standard all over the world.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 29 November 2015 17: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      don’t even try. Such opinions are not popular here. Everyone thinks that we are a model and standard all over the world.

      So far, there are no reasonable arguments in favor of this version, at all. You would still remember the bloody gebnya.
  • unsinkable
    unsinkable 29 November 2015 17: 11 New
    14
    Quote: Apologetu
    attack with arguments

    And with what arguments is your version, dear? None. All the maydaunas are simply obsessed with the actions of the Russian special services against dill. You would really like to make your own mistakes and blame everything on Russia. Remember, dear, you are a citizen of a worthless patchwork state saturated with delusional ideals. What emotions can be. I just feel sorry for you all. It’s hard you will come to, delusional.
    1. bovig
      bovig 29 November 2015 18: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: unsinkable
      Quote: Apologetu
      attack with arguments

      And with what arguments is your version, dear? None. All the maydaunas are simply obsessed with the actions of the Russian special services against dill. You would really like to make your own mistakes and blame everything on Russia. Remember, dear, you are a citizen of a worthless patchwork state saturated with delusional ideals. What emotions can be. I just feel sorry for you all. It’s hard you will come to, delusional.

      Accurate remark! +! The position and thinking style of the yellow-blakitny resembles the behavior of a man from a joke: in a minibus, a man ruined the air loudly and decided to put it on his finger: “Boy, you are so small, and you fart so loudly!” A woman standing nearby remarked: "Man, you did it!" But even here he was not taken aback: “Look what you are! I’m smearing her out here, and she’s moving the arrows!” Here is the behavior in the style of independent patriotism, independent ...)))
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 21: 57 New
      +4
      You have no idea how the CIA works !!! There are two acquaintances in Moscow who work in a large company, but in different branches ... In each branch there is one comrade (young critters, just over 30) who actively conduct anti-Russian-anti-Putin propaganda conversations, 5-6 times a year. fly to the USA (not to the EU), this is when their salary is up to 100 thousand (at the beginning of 2014) !!! The guys in the offices are waiting for the adoption of the law against anti-Russian propaganda to hand over these bastards who need .....
  • Turkir
    Turkir 29 November 2015 17: 14 New
    13
    It’s hard to “attack” with arguments, just your ASSUMPTION, i.e. purely speculative concept.
    The only thing I can agree with you is that we will see or not see confirmation of your theoretical research.
    I’m not one of those who put you a minus, only your attention attracted my attention pompous style of commentary, which is mistakenly called "pathos."
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  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 29 November 2015 17: 14 New
    +8
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    Too rude for Russian intelligence. If there was a "production", then they would certainly leave themselves the chance to "understand and forgive." And the pilot would be alive and public opinion would be formed in a different way. VV without loss of authority there is no option to just accept an apology (which was never there) in the form of preferences and other nyashki. There is no doubt that this is an operation of the special services, but whose question is it. The Turkish army itself could play the game and the goal could be Erdogan, who was counted as an unbalanced politician. Swing the boat and displace in the wake of public condemnation. Turkish Prime Minister is the same dark horse and could lead his game. Maybe this is an American game, because it is they who benefit from the breakdown of relations between Turkey and Russia, and our countries suffer enormous losses. In favor of the special services version, rather than Ankara’s informed decision, Turkey doesn’t even have a unified position - the prime minister almost immediately said that he gave the order to bring down our plane and if it’s true there’s nothing more to say, as it’s technically impossible to give ten warnings, contact the command post to contact Ankara, and then receive an order through the reverse chain. At the same time, Davutoglu should be not busy and make a decision instantly. Erdogan began broadcasting his version, and he unambiguously tackled his pants - leaving his country which was a thread away from the war is a rare example of courage and even Srakošvilli ate ties while in his country .. Here’s Erdogan’s reaction and doesn’t fit into what it was his idea. America is implicated in any way, since the guidance was carried out with E3 (F16 reached the line of fire in a straight line), and who exactly is to blame for the Turks is no longer important. The situation with the option when Russia "forgives" Turkey is possible only in the case when the Turks openly point to the customer and organizer (USA) by moving the arrows in the incident to the NATO structures as much as possible and expose their role as "guilty without guilt."
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 22: 02 New
      +2
      It’s not necessary to set up, in many cases it’s enough not to interfere with the enemy’s plans if he makes a mistake .... And Erdogan is not a subject, he is an object, it’s clear as day ...
  • Vikings
    Vikings 29 November 2015 17: 18 New
    +2
    Your hypothesis, it’s not worth the eggshell!
    Too confusing and multi-way. So what you put forward-
    whether as a version. Given the current position
    Russia.
  • Vikings
    Vikings 29 November 2015 17: 18 New
    0
    Your hypothesis, it’s not worth the eggshell!
    Too confusing and multi-way. So what you put forward-
    whether as a version. Given the current position
    Russia.
  • Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 29 November 2015 17: 19 New
    13
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT bully .
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!
    (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)
    If this is so, then literally in the near future we will see confirmation - at or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris - this is the solution on the Russian conditions of the issue of the construction of the Turkish Stream and the receipt of other tasty preferences for Russian business and interests in the Mediterranean basin with full support from Turkey ....

    An analogy for comparison and skeptics - if you hadn’t "allowed" the Darkest Kiev Maidan - Russia would now be without Crimea and with American bases at the gates ...
    No?
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    Well, yes ... The Ukrainian-Khozar media have long been saying that all the terrorist attacks against Russia are done by Russian special services in order to endure the "bloody massacre" of the Chechen, Ukrainian, and even Kolomoisha who knows what people laughing
  • FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 29 November 2015 17: 33 New
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    You are right, as always, our Ukrainian comrades are right ... Have you not yet considered the version of Putin’s participation in the defeat of Klitschko?
  • kashtak
    kashtak 29 November 2015 17: 36 New
    +3
    Apologet your INFORMATION FOR MEDITATION is an allegation. the option you have indicated does not confirm anything. One way or another, Russia and Turkey will have to restore relations. under what conditions and with whose preferences this is a matter of negotiation. if Turkey had questions or complaints, then this should have started. it was not Russia that put Turkey in a difficult position. but the continuation of the conflict is not an end in itself. neither we nor them need it. the third will win, and in this case, the extra. it would be better if Erdogan understands this. I hope I already understood the negotiations of the Turkish initiative.
    1. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 29 November 2015 19: 22 New
      +4
      The goal was not just to bring down a Russian plane, but to kill the Russian military in order to cause a wave of dissatisfaction in the Russian society with this war, as well as hit the president’s rating. This is what the Americans promised shortly before that - that Russia would soon suffer losses. And what all sorts of Jacob Kedmi beautifully tell is from the evil one.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 29 November 2015 19: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Skifotavr
        This is what the Americans promised shortly before that - that Russia would soon suffer losses.

        And if you had not promised? This is war !!! And there is no war without loss! Is it really not clear? These are not computer shootings of couch heroes. soldier
      2. kashtak
        kashtak 29 November 2015 19: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Skifotavr
        The goal was not just to bring down a Russian plane, but to kill the Russian military in order to cause a wave of dissatisfaction in the Russian society with this war, as well as hit the president’s rating.

        a wave of discontent over the two dead? who are you holding us for? Do you think in Russia no one knows what war is? Kedmi introduced a more reasoned version.
        1. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 29 November 2015 22: 15 New
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          Quote: kashtak
          Quote: Skifotavr
          The goal was not just to bring down a Russian plane, but to kill the Russian military in order to cause a wave of dissatisfaction in the Russian society with this war, as well as hit the president’s rating.

          a wave of discontent over the two dead? who are you holding us for? Do you think in Russia no one knows what war is? Kedmi introduced a more reasoned version.

          I’m not holding you for anyone. It's just that they have a normal practice. Although you are right, we are used to wars. Including at the genetic level.
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    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 22: 11 New
      +3
      The fact that the State Department is trying to quarrel Russia with the whole world is visible to the naked eye! It remains only to quarrel with China, India, Iran, which is possible, in principle, given the popularity of Sino (China) Phobian sentiments in Russian society .... With phobias regarding Indians and Persians, the situation is a little better ... If the State Department manages to quarrel Russia with the Chinese , Persians, Indians, then Russia faces an economic collapse and not the fact that a hungry people will not go to storm the Kremlin ....
  • family
    family tree 29 November 2015 17: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)

    Yeah. Influenced by American influenced agents, influenced personally by the Darkest what
    This one last name I remembered belay

    Well, parsuna, to the heap
    1. andj61
      andj61 29 November 2015 18: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: perepilka
      Quote: Apologet.Ru
      (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)

      Yeah. Influenced by American influenced agents, influenced personally by the Darkest what
      This one last name I remembered belay

      Well, parsuna, to the heap

      William Ockham, if I am not mistaken, is the author of the famous Occam Razor - the principle succinctly formulated as follows: “It is not necessary to multiply things without need.” If you express this principle in a more modern language, you get the following. "You should not multiply entities beyond what is necessary." good hi
      1. family
        family tree 29 November 2015 19: 11 New
        0
        Quote: andj61
        "You should not multiply entities beyond what is necessary."

        He is. Zdorovichka, Andrei, I don’t know how about the priest. How is it, Krasnodar Territory, living?
        1. andj61
          andj61 29 November 2015 19: 57 New
          0
          Quote: perepilka
          Quote: andj61
          "You should not multiply entities beyond what is necessary."

          He is. Zdorovichka, Andrei, I don’t know how about the priest. How is it, Krasnodar Territory, living?

          Greetings, Vladimir!
          Only I, like, live in Bryansk ... repeat
          True, I went to the Krasnodar Territory this year in July by car. yes hi
          1. family
            family tree 29 November 2015 21: 48 New
            0
            Quote: andj61
            Only I, like, live in Bryansk ... feel

            Excuse me request
            Last time we crossed, like mushrooms, near Sochi, well, I thought that from there, but again, call me, (came back and checked) I got tangled, sclerosis, cho fool , although, with this work, sometimes you don’t remember yourself recourse . Well, it means bow to the partisan region drinks
          2. Baikonur
            Baikonur 29 November 2015 23: 01 New
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            Sorry to burst into your chat, there are no comments here (can’t you communicate in PM?)
            Quote: andj61
            "You should not multiply entities beyond what is necessary."

            Didn’t think that it was said about UM?
            "You should not think (multiply thoughts) more than you can!"
            "You won’t jump above your head!"
            "Do not want ... - do not torment ----!"

            P.S. I didn’t tell you! I didn’t mean to offend! Just offered an interpretation for your consideration!
            With respect! hi
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  • niki233
    niki233 29 November 2015 17: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT bully .
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!
    (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)
    If this is so, then literally in the near future we will see confirmation - at or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris - this is the solution on the Russian conditions of the issue of the construction of the Turkish Stream and the receipt of other tasty preferences for Russian business and interests in the Mediterranean basin with full support from Turkey ....

    An analogy for comparison and skeptics - if you hadn’t "allowed" the Darkest Kiev Maidan - Russia would now be without Crimea and with American bases at the gates ...
    No?
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    Dear you smoked? where you get such nonsense probably from overseas brought along with cookies.
  • Kite
    Kite 29 November 2015 17: 55 New
    0
    Those. the ability to fight and hold the blow is tantamount to scandal and aggression?
    Do not dig a hole for another, you yourself will fall into it! Is that an American saying?
    To:
    "Why not who does not consider ongoing events with ........ "
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 29 November 2015 18: 02 New
    +4
    The logic of the Jesuits, turned inside out. To obtain
    preferences, organized the shooting down of their plane, Crimea-
    organized the Maidan, power lines were blown up - this is not to give
    Ukraine coal. In short, as in Galich: “If there is no water in the tap, then they drank the women.” Only here the women were replaced by the Russians.
  • excomandante
    excomandante 29 November 2015 18: 03 New
    +2
    Arguments to answer the delirium generator ?! Bromine compounds and outdoor walks to the rescue.
  • SPACE
    SPACE 29 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT

    If the rational is logical and understandable for one, it is probably also obvious for the other, but sooner or later everything secret will become apparent, which means that your hidden actions will become difficult or impossible due to the enemy’s response, public resonance or even world law. How to be It is possible to carry out even more sophisticated combinations of action / reaction, second and third orders. The visibility of the traditional official policy, the statement of authorized persons and the events we interpret is just the tip of the iceberg, flags, the majority of which are not beyond. But if we observe a lot of contradictions, a violation of logical cause-effect relationships, which may just indicate that some unknown factor from other, unknown and truly hidden irrational spheres intervened in the event, about which no one ever won't tell in the news ...
    A night attack on Tskhinval, if you know everything in advance, was it possible to prevent the tragedy? Maidan, one would have to go against the elements or set sail, counterattacking using other people's factors in their favor. Who else and for what pulls the needles and framed the Roger rabbit ... and if you take a closer look, there is still a whole bunch of fifth elements that are not inscribed in the equation, which it is better not to talk about. Cynical, inhuman, dirty, but such are the secret streams of sewer policy, in this confrontational world where the end can justify any means ...
    H.Z. These are such wild thoughts)))
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 22: 22 New
      +1
      I agree with you!
  • Finntroll
    Finntroll 29 November 2015 18: 57 New
    -2
    Everything can be, History knows more obvious and bloody precedents. And about how our government and the highest command ranks are capable of throwing the lives of their soldiers for the sake of personal (selfish) goals, we all saw in the 90s. In the situation you are describing, in addition to the personal interest of "our" large business, the GEO policy is mixed in. I repeat once again that it is possible .... But still it seems to me that the reaction in the Crimea was more situational, regardless of the outcome of the Maidan.
  • Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 29 November 2015 18: 58 New
    0
    Stop thumping, comrade!
    March to sleep! }}}}}}}}}}}}}
    The morning is wiser than the evening!
  • tolian
    tolian 29 November 2015 19: 16 New
    0
    Apologist, this will not happen. You are either not quite with the brain or a provocateur. I think the first is more accurate.
  • wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 29 November 2015 19: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    ! And abandoned through agents of influence, an attractive idea for terrorists ...)

    it was not the terrorists who executed it, but the STATE, and the state is responsible for their actions, while terrorists can take refuge from responsibility. as an “operation of special services” the destruction of an aircraft could be considered the use of MANPADS with a subsequent statement from ISIS, or some Nusra,
  • Karlovar
    Karlovar 29 November 2015 19: 50 New
    0
    As a likely version: maybe Borya Obamov-ours (Russian-Chinese-Indian-German-Japanese-Korean-African-Latinoame
    Rikano-, in short, anti-American)) resident, comrade Stirlitz ......
  • veteran66
    veteran66 29 November 2015 20: 01 New
    -4
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT

    given the attitude of this state (RF) towards its citizens, this is a perfectly acceptable version
  • Gunia
    Gunia 29 November 2015 20: 36 New
    0
    The version not only has the right to life, BUT needs a VERY scrutiny. Like not sorry for our guys, BUT who would give just a week ago so easily drag S-400 to Syria?! Once again, with all the cynicism, but sometimes you NEED to sacrifice a pawn to get operational space! And the children of the kingdom of heaven and eternal memory !!!!!!!
  • boris-1230
    boris-1230 29 November 2015 20: 46 New
    0

    INFORMATION FOR MEDITATION ...
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!
    (NATURALLY, NOT PERSONALLY !!! And an idea abandoned through agents of influence attractive to terrorists ...)
    If this is so, then literally in the near future we will see confirmation - at or as soon as possible after the UN climate conference in Paris - this is the solution on the Russian conditions of the issue of the construction of the Turkish Stream and the receipt of other tasty preferences for Russian business and interests in the Mediterranean basin with full support from Turkey ....

    An analogy for comparison and skeptics - if you hadn’t "allowed" the Darkest Kiev Maidan - Russia would now be without Crimea and with American bases at the gates ...
    No?
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    Without words...
  • Awaz
    Awaz 29 November 2015 20: 57 New
    +4
    bullshit. That is, you can agree that the events that took place in the best possible way are convenient for Russia, as well as the Maidan, which brought more benefits to Russia than losses. (If you step back from the main trouble, these are thousands of innocent victims of the war) But all this is still from nonsense happens to those who invented it. In Ukraine, no one expected the floating of Crimea to the guise of revolution and fierce resistance of the South-East of Ukraine. But there certainly wasn’t the hand of Putin or the Kremlin, except for Girkin, who certainly didn’t follow orders from the Kremlin to Slavyansk. (I’m thinking about actions longer, I’m more inclined to believe that either he was a fool or people who were completely unfriendly to KREMLYU stood behind him) The Kremlin really took on the Donbass in the fall of '14, and before that they just watched it. Probably they knew and know something, and therefore "erased" the political and military command and undertook to solve the problems themselves.
    Here, Turkey simply smacks of the miscalculation of the Americans or the insane trick of the Turkish authorities, who hoped that with the advent of the loss of the Russian Federation, it would not be necessary to stop or weaken the bombing, which the United States did not need to bomb.
    In general, in order to provoke shelling, the plane had to fly far into the territory of Turkey and behave arrogantly. Under normal conditions, provoking shooting, flying into a small area for a few seconds, well, very, very difficult.
  • tehnic
    tehnic 29 November 2015 21: 18 New
    0
    What you wrote is more like the work of Berezovsky or the British intelligence. Ours is far from this, there is too much dirt.
  • vorobey
    vorobey 29 November 2015 21: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT


    You know, I visited such a thought too ... in a conversation with Atalef I hinted at a similar thing but immediately dismissed it ... because I was used to trusting the facts and the fact that the safety net and it was supposed to work was filigree alas, it didn’t work and we have two the deceased denies all speculation ...

    And I also connected it with C400, but not a fact, because there was already Fort in Moscow ... and sanctions on Turkey will still affect us ...

    By the way, today there was a statement that our plane violated the border with Israel ... The Israelis behaved more adequately, the plane went 1 km deeper, received a warning and immediately changed course ... the leadership of the Israeli Defense Ministry stated that it did not see any aggressive and threatening actions and therefore did not take more decisive action ..
  • ispaniard
    ispaniard 29 November 2015 21: 44 New
    +6
    Comrades officers, information on the topic. The body of Lieutenant Colonel of the Russian Aerospace Forces Peshkov Oleg Anatolyevich was delivered to Ankara for subsequent transfer to Russia.


    I remember the Turkomans farted there that they would hand over the body of the Russian pilot only in exchange for the release of some of their militants by Syria, BUT life-giving P ... weighed directly on the Erdogan Brothers and anti-Turkish sanctions harshly introduced by Russia quickly led Turkey and their protégé to the feeling ...

    I am very glad that the ashes of Oleg Anatolyevich will rest in their homeland. Note that in the video the plane with the body of our pilot meets the guard of honor and all those present salute our pilot. A “good” mine with a very bad game from Turkey, in any case, I’m personally glad again that Oleg Anatolyevich will go home in this way, although this does not remove the blame from Turkey and the personally distraught Erdogan and his Prime Minister.

    P.S. Pay attention to the video from 3,53 seconds. A flock of birds soars upward, as if saluting a Russian pilot.
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  • Valentine
    Valentine 29 November 2015 22: 49 New
    +1
    And how do you like this option, Turkey plays its game, yes,
    your own, without the participation of both the EU and the USA? Her friendship with ISIS and other "partisans" against the Assad regime
    reliable fact. It is also reliable that in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mali, Tunisia these same friends of Turkey are fighting for its money, and with its own weapons, overthrowing some mythical dictators, oppressors of peoples like Gaddafi, like Hussein: And as a result of these hostilities, there are millions of refugees from these countries who are not fleeing
    to somewhere, namely to Europe, although that money would be enough for them to get to America.
    the "army" rushed there, by whose command, command?
    And by whose commandment, military conflicts are launched in the Muslim countries listed above? But the majority of these refugees are Young, healthy men, and many of them are well trained in ISIS camps. They will soon settle in all European countries, receive a certain status there, and wait a year, three, five hours "H", until Erdogan
    "quench" his dream of a world caliphate in which
    ISIS is not as interested as Erdogan himself. At the right moment, Erdogan will sound, such as “a cloudless sky over all of Spain”, and the “Crusade” will begin
    European Muslims against European Christians, infidels, giaurov. That's only Russia can prevent his "aspirations" from becoming the "Shahinshah", the king of kings .... And there are all prerequisites for this.
    1. AlexeyL
      AlexeyL 1 December 2015 12: 05 New
      0
      Here is just one question that remains suspended.
      Where did these thousands of refugees get so much money?
  • Old old
    Old old 30 November 2015 00: 33 New
    +1
    ... because "do not allow" the Darkest Kiev Maidan ...

    To begin with, argue how "The Darkest allowed the Maidan" and brought to power the Unshakable.
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  • bannik
    bannik 30 November 2015 02: 10 New
    0
    So this "darkest" Maidan "allowed" ?! He baked “cookies”, through “FSB agents” Nuland transferred them, which created the transfer of Crimea to Russia! In, damn it, but I thought ....
  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 30 November 2015 05: 54 New
    -1
    Then the attack with the airbus in Sinai is the same operation of the special services?
    Now, neither Egypt nor Turkey will leak money from tourists and money into foreign capital.
    The thought is of course wild, but ...
    For example, I was shocked by the wording - "unfriendly act" in relation to the downed SU-24.
  • Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 30 November 2015 06: 50 New
    +1
    The cat left the kittens - who is to blame? The message is interesting, but based on one paradigm that GDP eats babies for breakfast. Agree - he eats, after all, not babies, but something from chicken. The Bosphorus is, I think, the reason for this provocation. And the black-eared monkey from across the ocean, your sponsor, just loves to throw grenades, like all monkeys, not understanding what will come of it. Those. I want to say that the monkey is coming. Well and, accordingly, to fill up the plane for the monkey, like two fingers. Moreover, there was already a test over Donbas. True performers both go there, too.
  • Nick
    Nick 30 November 2015 08: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    An analogy for comparison and skeptics - if you hadn’t "allowed" the Darkest Kiev Maidan - Russia would now be without Crimea and with American bases at the gates ...
    No?
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    The darkest, as you call it, was from the very beginning AGAINST the Maidan, and did everything it could to support Yanukovych, including material. The Maidan was "allowed" by the EU and the USA, this is obvious to everyone. And the fact that Crimea went to Russia in these circumstances is a consequence of the EU and US policies towards Ukraine and the actions of their frost-bitten lair.
  • Private IITR
    Private IITR 30 November 2015 08: 36 New
    0
    I agree, I think so too
  • SAXA.SHURA
    SAXA.SHURA 30 November 2015 17: 31 New
    0
    You bought a plan where, you smoked yourself tightly, somewhere on the street you will pronounce your blizzard and see that the head does not fall off without pain, you don’t have to knock on the buttons. That's it.
  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 30 November 2015 22: 05 New
    +1
    I can say that the awards given to pilots speak in favor of your version. But only, nothing more, although not a fact of presentation, could have been filed earlier and for completely different events, and a blow to the back only pushed the decision of the command. But the economy speaks against your version. Yes, the Turks almost captured our market for vegetables, and Turkish clothes are sold in our markets, their builders are building our houses and Olympic facilities, and it would seem that we can and can do it ourselves. Yes we can, yes we can, and of course we will. Here are just strategic projects (nuclear plants, a gas pipeline) with him and that, because they would have connected our states like an umbilical cord. After Russia, Turkey is the largest country in Europe (albeit like Russia only in part) and the location of the country since ancient times overlaps all strategically important areas for the development of another country. The Turks have the second largest army in Europe after us. And like eighty years ago, if Turkey clashes with Russia in a war of extermination (as it was with Nazi Germany), we will again fight to the death to the joy of our Anglo-Saxon and all other European “partners”, we’ll kill the thuja of his and the Turkish people, put the color of the nation of two states, only the second front will most likely be opened by the allies of the Turks
  • AGV Pagan
    AGV Pagan 30 November 2015 22: 15 New
    -2
    I had a similar idea. But I was thinking not about the economy, but about the opportunity to bend Turkey, as a state helping terrorists.
  • Yoshig
    Yoshig 1 December 2015 07: 26 New
    -2
    I fully agree, with the above opinion. It is enough to weigh what Russia had in this region before the tragedy with the SU-24M and compare it with what it received after.
    Before: military operation without allies. On the part of the United States and Europe, discontent, mild threats and warnings. Russian military bases somehow did not even seem very legitimate. Moral law seemed to be enough for active action. In addition, the financial interests of large corporations are implicated. Plus, the collapse of world oil prices and pressure on the foreign exchange market.
    After: general attention to the problem of world terrorism, full moral right to strengthen the military presence in the region. Well, the most delicious bun: official placement of the S-400.
    In this regard, the following, in my opinion, risks are possible:
    - increased pressure in the oil market (but, at the same time, the Russian Aerospace Forces cut off the supply channels in excess of cheap oil);
    - the likelihood of terrorist attacks in Russia;
    - and retaliatory provocations from our foreign "partners".


    PS: The most banal version of what happened: Erdogan’s son takes out a huge amount of oil. The Russian Aerospace Forces destroys another convoy of oil trucks. Erdogan Jr. contacts the general commander of the F-16 and asks to take measures to protect the business. The result is known to us.
    PPP For the United States, the European Union, NATO, Turkey, all this was a big surprise. Strange ...
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 1 December 2015 13: 00 New
    0
    This could well be if Russia were the United States. Then the Kremlin can be blown up, by analogy with the bartenders, to attack Turkey.
  • Will
    Will 1 December 2015 21: 02 New
    +1
    Your statement already has more faith than arguments. In your opinion, even the collapse of the USSR is “good” because it contributed to the return of Crimea. “There is no silver lining, just as there is no silver lining”, but here, at a minimum, reconfiguration of the “focus” from the search “bad” to “good” and vice versa is required.
  • FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 29 November 2015 17: 32 New
    +2
    ... What with the fact that he did not approve - this did not prevent the destruction of Yugoslavia ....- a person must always remain! for that now the Serbs sang Russian songs in memory of our Sushka ... before a sports match .........
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 29 November 2015 22: 23 New
    0
    All but "exceptional" laughing understand that the world has changed, and will not be the same as it was. Where it will be possible to destroy countries and look white and fluffy. Bye, only this
  • Nick
    Nick 30 November 2015 08: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Shveps
    "Primakov was in the air, heading for America. If he had landed and shook Clinton's hand, he would have approved the destruction of Yugoslavia."

    What with the fact that he did not approve - this did not prevent the destruction of Yugoslavia.

    Yes, Yugoslavia was dismembered, but Russia has outlined its attitude to this event. This circumstance allows everyone who disagrees with Washington’s policy to hope for the potential support of Russia in similar situations, and today's Russia is not the same as 16 years ago. Its political, economic and military potential has grown significantly.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 November 2015 16: 18 New
    0
    "And forever - and the world is changing, the Germans and the Japanese also lost, the Chinese also fought" ////

    That's for sure ... not everything is so dramatic.
    ... Putin will meet with Erdogan in Paris (or somewhere else). They will talk.

    1) Putin will promise not to nightmare the Turkoman.
    2) Erdogan promises to restrain Turkoman
    didn’t hang out with the vile Nusra and did not try to grumble at the Russian base.
    3) Erdogan promises not to touch the Russian planes, and Putin - Turkish.

    And, as they said in the USSR, world peace ...
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 29 November 2015 16: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      That's for sure ... not everything is so dramatic.
      ... Putin will meet with Erdogan in Paris (or somewhere else). They will talk.

      Or with his (edorgan) receiver. The Turkish military received a good chance to regain power, or part of it.
      1. family
        family tree 29 November 2015 17: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        Turkish military, got a good chance, regain power

        Yes, damn it, these Omani empires have the brains of the majority belay Here, along the way, the special warheads will put points. I would not want to what
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 29 November 2015 18: 29 New
          0
          No, you need to call a psychiatrist, and humanitarian aid, in the form of haloperidol, should be sent to Turkey. In the 70's, police in the US, Black Panthers, so, through the pipeline "treated".
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    3. Altona
      Altona 29 November 2015 16: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      1) Putin will promise not to nightmare the Turkoman.
      2) Erdogan promises to restrain Turkoman
      didn’t hang out with the vile Nusra and did not try to grumble at the Russian base.
      3) Erdogan promises not to touch the Russian planes, and Putin - Turkish.

      And, as they said in the USSR, world peace ...

      -----------------------
      You’ve got a somewhat flat idea ... And in general, everyone has crowded around Russia and Turkey, implying NATO and the USA ... For some reason, they have forgotten China, it’s easier to slap such a provocation against him ... Apparently someone decided to play thinner, giving rough operations to the performers not the smartest ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 29 November 2015 18: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Altona
        Why is China forgotten

        --------------------------
        Typed in a search for "China’s reaction to the downing of the Su-24 by Turkey," he found that the reaction was restrained. They called it "accident" and "expressed condolences" ...
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 November 2015 22: 37 New
        +2
        In the summer, the Chinese and Americans exchanged blows, explosions in the Tianjin port, at 3-4 Chinese chemical plants, in response, explosions at 3-4 American chemical plants, an explosion at an American military base in Japan ... There was also an exchange of blows through the Shanghai Stock Exchange New York Stock Exchange ..... Now silence, felt the capabilities of each other’s intelligence services, calmed down, concluded a truce (not peace) .... China has been pouring islands off for a year and a half, having begun to "worry" about "partners", the Americans menacingly floated over islands, terrible words said, in response, China also said terrible words ... Again silence, took a break, or agreed somehow, for a while, it is clear .... So, China has its own front with the USA and is rather hot .. .
    4. sir_obs
      sir_obs 29 November 2015 16: 32 New
      +3
      Erdogan must leave first, and then everything else
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 November 2015 16: 40 New
      +1
      Erdogan’s words don’t inspire any confidence whatsoever and trust him not to respect himself - Putin perfectly understood this.
    6. Sheikh
      Sheikh 29 November 2015 16: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "And forever - and the world is changing, the Germans and the Japanese also lost, the Chinese also fought" ////

      That's for sure ... not everything is so dramatic.
      ... Putin will meet with Erdogan in Paris (or somewhere else). They will talk.

      1) Putin will promise not to nightmare the Turkoman.
      2) Erdogan promises to restrain Turkoman
      didn’t hang out with the vile Nusra and did not try to grumble at the Russian base.
      3) Erdogan promises not to touch the Russian planes, and Putin - Turkish.

      And, as they said in the USSR, world peace ...


      Jewish approach to life, slips, nothing personal.
      life will tell and show.
    7. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 29 November 2015 16: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "And forever - and the world is changing, the Germans and the Japanese also lost, the Chinese also fought" ////

      That's for sure ... not everything is so dramatic.
      ... Putin will meet with Erdogan in Paris (or somewhere else). They will talk.

      1) Putin will promise not to nightmare the Turkoman.
      2) Erdogan promises to restrain Turkoman
      didn’t hang out with the vile Nusra and did not try to grumble at the Russian base.
      3) Erdogan promises not to touch the Russian planes, and Putin - Turkish.

      And, as they said in the USSR, world peace ...


      Sorry for the hint .. but this is an Israeli version of the situation.

      It is not possible to believe in him.
      Erdogan can promise everything. anything in a conversation with anyone.
      But while the whole world he will not apologize at the state level. until it compensates for the losses, although we, in the majority, believe that it is blasphemy to assess losses in pennies until executors and customers are adequately punished, the situation will not change for the better, at least until the erdogan is removed from the throne ...

      And we advise the Turkmens themselves to agree on their fate with B. Assad.
      After what happened, we know. who are the Turkoman - Turkish men. united in armed gangs that shoot pilots that they weren’t shot at ...
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 29 November 2015 17: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Sorry for the hint .. but this is an Israeli version of the situation.

        Only if ? I will not give examples from the two Chechen wars, when the “Czechs” left the triple or more encirclement, the practically won war ended in an absurd world and other absurdities.
        1. kashtak
          kashtak 29 November 2015 17: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: lelikas
          Only if ? I will not give examples from the two Chechen wars, when the “Czechs” left the triple or more encirclement, the practically won war ended in an absurd world and other absurdities

          and if differently. The Chechens were offered a choice and now there is peace. or I'm wrong?
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 29 November 2015 20: 24 New
            0
            Quote: kashtak
            and if differently. The Chechens were offered a choice and now there is peace. or I'm wrong?

            You’re a little mistaken in terms of time - what was meant was the events in the course of the wars, until they were crushed. Actually, they had no choice at the end.
      2. andj61
        andj61 29 November 2015 18: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Sergey S.
        And we advise the Turkmens themselves to agree on their fate with B. Assad.
        After what happened, we know. who are the Turkoman - Turkish men. united in armed gangs that shoot pilots that they weren’t shot at ...

        But were there generally Turkomans or Turkmens?
        Of the two dozen snouts that appeared in the photo and video, 15 people were identified and identified as Turkish citizens, members of the extremist organization "Gray Wolves", in 1981 a member of this organization Mehmet Ali Agja attempted to assassinate Pope John Paul II. So, most likely, the Turks did it all, the Turks.
        1. kashtak
          kashtak 29 November 2015 19: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: andj61
          Of the two dozen snouts that appeared in the photo and video, 15 people were identified and identified as Turkish citizens, members of the extremist organization "Gray Wolves", in 1981 a member of this organization Mehmet Ali Agja attempted to assassinate Pope John Paul II.

          especially. they even wrote about Bozkurt that they were connected with the CIA (who wants to put a red cap on a gray wolf?) again, these ultranationalists erupted.
        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 29 November 2015 19: 52 New
          -5
          Quote: Sergey S.
          pilots that did not shoot at them ...
          Correctly, these pilots did not shoot at them - these pilots just “politely” bombed them ..
          How many statements were there about what needs to be done with the Ukrainian pilots bombing the “peaceful Donbass” ..
          Quote: andj61
          Of the two dozen muzzles that appeared in the photo and video, 15 man was identified and identified as Turkish citizens, members of the extremist organization "Gray Wolves"
          Again, there are analogies with the South-East of Ukraine, where the "citizens" of the Russian Federation "drew" .. There are "gray wolves" here are "green men".
          They say about the "protection" of fellow tribesmen here about the "protection of compatriots."
          1. kashtak
            kashtak 29 November 2015 20: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Alibekulu
            How many statements were there about what needs to be done with the Ukrainian pilots bombing the “peaceful Donbass” ..

            Donbass was peaceful before the Odessa events, and until the "Aidar" and the company climbed there. you yourself are in the know.
    8. Turkir
      Turkir 29 November 2015 17: 20 New
      0
      There is also the mood of the people and the honor of the state, which, a true politician, must take into account and protect if he wants to save his face.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 29 November 2015 17: 51 New
        0
        In modern politics, however, this has been forgotten. A lot of examples.
      2. kashtak
        kashtak 29 November 2015 18: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Turkir
        There is also the mood of the people and the honor of the state, which, a true politician, must take into account and protect if he wants to save his face.

        Needless to say, trade-offs have boundaries. but smart will agree.
    9. berkut9737
      berkut9737 29 November 2015 17: 43 New
      -10
      Putin will meet with Erdogan in Paris

      Will definitely meet. Putin will step over the corpses of the dead pilots and shake the bloody hands of the fart. As they say: nothing personal ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 29 November 2015 18: 36 New
        +1
        or an enemy? Interestingly, do you personally know the President of Russia to draw such conclusions?
        1. berkut9737
          berkut9737 29 November 2015 19: 17 New
          0
          or an enemy? Interestingly, do you personally know the President of Russia to draw such conclusions?

          If this comment is for me, then I will answer. I judge by fruit, and for this I absolutely do not need a personal acquaintance. hi
    10. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 29 November 2015 17: 48 New
      +1
      It may be so, but it may be otherwise. In any case, not always, rulers, regimes, vectors, are not eternal. Neither Erdogan, so his change will come and say let's negotiate, cancel the sanctions. Of course, not forever.
    11. andj61
      andj61 29 November 2015 18: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And, as they said in the USSR, world peace ...

      You still add:
      - Official apologies;
      - Punishment of the guilty;
      - Compensation for material damage, as well as payments to the dead.
      Or is it as a prerequisite for negotiations?
    12. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 29 November 2015 19: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      1) Putin will promise not to nightmare the Turkoman.
      2) Erdogan promises to restrain Turkoman
      didn’t hang out with the vile Nusra and did not try to grumble at the Russian base.
      3) Erdogan promises not to touch the Russian planes, and Putin - Turkish.

      First, Recep (Red ass) must admit his actions are erroneous and ask the world community to apologize to Russia and, at least, start licking Putin. But time goes on, Recep gets into the bottle even deeper, so - you are a dreamer.
    13. your1970
      your1970 29 November 2015 19: 38 New
      0
      Israel is a great specialist in reconciliation, trying to teach everyone ...
    14. Sterlya
      Sterlya 29 November 2015 22: 29 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      1) Putin will promise not to nightmare the Turkoman.
      2) Erdogan promises to restrain Turkoman
      didn’t hang out with the vile Nusra and did not try to grumble at the Russian base.
      3) Erdogan promises not to touch the Russian planes, and Putin - Turkish.

      It will not be this. At least for now. Here, just Russia has little to lose. How will Erdogan (leave) may be
  • Vikings
    Vikings 29 November 2015 16: 46 New
    +1
    But it’s time to press it to the nail!
  • Civil
    Civil 29 November 2015 16: 46 New
    0
    It’s in the head of some people ... the world is always one,
  • varov14
    varov14 29 November 2015 16: 48 New
    +4
    The near future will show unless our failure. Take America - America is a multinational corporation, sharpened by world domination in the future. The population may not be far off, the presidents are kind of stupid, but in essence they do not determine the future. Corporations are headed by no means fools, with once and for all set goals and a refined ideology. Under feudal order, the car spins non-stop. After 90 years, our elite had the intention to build in the western one, since, in principle, it was a clan of money-grubbers, which remains to this day and it was only used stupidly. And in order to rule the world, one must have a breadth of thinking, a "flight to the stars", goals, ideology. We had the opportunity to seize the initiative, to make a shock fist from the Russians. Not from one nation, but namely from all, we are accustomed to each other, learned to live in peace. Moreover, the advantages and disadvantages inherent in each of the nations can be directed in the right direction. But in order to make a shock fist, people should not be stupid, education should be accessible, educate a thinker and not a consumer, a hospital should not be closed, a woman in labor should not travel a hundred kilometers to lose a child, and the media should not raise questions about whether medicine should to be paid. The shock fist did not come to the mind of the money-grubbers and will not come, our project is closed. Hitler had a “good” project at one time, but relied on the exclusivity of one nation, and he could have succeeded if there was a smart “brake” of the time nearby, then of course it would be transformed. North Koreans could have cranked up, but they have no resources. Remained Americans and Chinese, someone who. We have one trash in our brains, a small head burdened with a large pocket.
    1. Elfhybr
      Elfhybr 29 November 2015 17: 09 New
      0
      Bravo! So would our leaders think!
    2. Senior manager
      Senior manager 29 November 2015 18: 14 New
      +2
      varov14. Probably in the rank of sergeant they finished the service, painted everything as on a mock-up, and the variability of the consequences of these events is incredible. The elite intoxicated with permissiveness in the plunder of the country, directed by the skillful hand of Fache. the regional committee didn’t bother about the fate of the people and the state (what kind of fist?), girls to bathe in champagne - yes, but there were people who convinced the EBN to transfer power, and in my opinion, things went smoothly, we didn’t dare to utter a shit about Yugoslavia , Russia has risen, we can express and defend our opinion. And you cry, everything is gone, trash in your head. Well, I don’t know, everything is fine with my head.
  • cosmos111
    cosmos111 29 November 2015 16: 54 New
    +1
    On November 29, Turkey put forward more than 1000 pieces of equipment, including Leopard tanks, self-propelled artillery and rocket launchers, infantry armored vehicles, armored mine clearance vehicles and other types of equipment, to the Syrian border ...

    1. your1970
      your1970 29 November 2015 19: 45 New
      +1
      nominated and? The official occupiers will cross the border, Assad will have all legal rights to any actions in relation to Turkey (taking into account the fact that we are behind Assad) - for example, the Bosphorus can be mined lol or buy c-400 complexes (with a dozen of Lend-Lease from us) ...
      America so fought with Vietnam, if anyone forgot ...
    2. Bochik
      Bochik 29 November 2015 23: 53 New
      0
      Quote: cosmos111
      On November 29, Turkey put forward more than 1000 pieces of equipment, including Leopard tanks, self-propelled artillery and rocket launchers, infantry armored vehicles, armored mine clearance vehicles and other types of equipment, to the Syrian border ...

      So the Americans were strictly ordered to block the Turkish-Syrian border so that any armed shelupon would not roam back and forth uncontrollably. So they fussed.
  • SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 29 November 2015 17: 10 New
    +5
    Respected! I allow myself to disagree with you in your critical judgments about geopolitics (although you are right about politics), because I myself have studied and am studying this science.
    Geopolitics - the direction of political thought, the concept of control over the territory, the laws of distribution and redistribution of spheres of influence (centers of power) of various states and interstate associations.
    The latest geopolitics, wherein dominated by fortitude over military and economic power, helps to overcome traditional geographical and economic determinism due to the expansion of basic factorsthat determine the behavior of states in international relations.
    Including national security, territories of exclusive interests and (as now) oikumens of carriers of national identity within the borders of other states, etc. These issues are especially acute after the collapse of the Soviet Empire.
    Especially characteristic is the time in the second half of the XNUMXth century, when the USSR became one of two superpowers along with the United States. He also headed the second of the most powerful military-political blocs of the ATS and achieved a balance of forces with the United States and NATO with military-strategic parity.
    Don't forget that Russia is one of the few SUBJECTS of geopolitics. Which the creates the history of the world throughout its history ...
    In this context, geopolitics is a scientifically substantiated direction of life and development.
    So, for Russia this science is no less important than its creators and zealots.
    For myself, I made one conclusion that geopolitics appeared due to the existence of the state of the Russian Empire, in order to counter and expand.
    Recently, new schools and areas of geopolitics have been actively developed in Russia.
    This is a global SCIENCE (based on the COMPLEX of sciences, but with its own conceptual and scientific apparatus), with which you can substantiate and explain a lot, as well as using scientific and historical methods, also plan and predict events.
    Do not be so categorical.
    Sincerely, a supporter of geopolitical science.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 29 November 2015 20: 37 New
      0
      So I don’t mind, although it’s too late for me to study, and I really hope that the new schools for our future geopoliticians are good teachers.
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 29 November 2015 18: 45 New
    +8
    Quote: lelikas
    And on the bill forever - the world is changing, the Germans and the Japanese were also lost, the Chinese were also fighting in Damansky.

    You just forgot to write who they are to us now. A kind of tricky underwriting.
    I will speak for you: The Germans for us are still a nation that has thrown off the development of Russia for dozens and, possibly, for a hundred years. Tens of millions of lives have been ruined, millions of people with disabilities who have ended their lives in special houses or in gates. How many children are not born due to which there are constant failures in the economy (lack of labor). And those who came from the war are constant nightly fighting nightmares, vodka and degradation, which could not cope with themselves, because then there was no rehabilitation coming from the war. Injuries that reduced the lives of millions of former soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. That’s what the Germans are. These are “partners” and a new neo-Nazism is reviving in their country in the wake of Turkish-Arab immigration.
    Japan-has not yet recognized the victory of the USSR over it. There is still no peace treaty. They are now at war with us, and this gives them the right to demand the former Japanese territories, and this gives them the right to attack us in the Far East without declaring war, at any opportunity. Those are also "partners".
    China. These are our former friends, they will soon revive such an army that both the USA and Russia are chopping off territories. They reach the Mediterranean coast of Israel. They will never become friends with us again, because in their strategic plans there is still a plan for the conquest of Russia from the Far East to the Urals (Siberia).
    Sorry, but the world does not change. It’s just that some plans, some nations, are shelved in Pandora’s long box. We have to put up with them and reckon with everyone, but not be friends.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 29 November 2015 20: 34 New
      0
      I do not agree a bit - there was nothing tricky in my post.
      About the Japanese - I had in mind the wars of 1905 and the WWII.
      If you continue to hate the Germans - I can’t blame, but I don’t support either.
      The Japanese recognized the defeat from us by signing the surrender, the absence of a peace treaty did not affect it.
      If you look at the GSh vaults, there are no less plans to take over the world. I hope the whole world remembers “Ten days before the Pyrenees”.
      In political friendship, almost like in marriage, one side is friends, and the other suffers, with rare exceptions. Nobody even said that we will be kissing them in the gums in a year.
      Something like that .
  • atalef
    atalef 29 November 2015 19: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: lelikas
    Politics is dirtier - only Geopolitics can be.
    And on the bill forever - the world is changing, the Germans and the Japanese were also lost, the Chinese were also fighting in Damansky. Time will tell . (not that on the first channel;))

    That's for sure, never say never.
  • Tor5
    Tor5 29 November 2015 21: 23 New
    0
    I fully believe in Obama's return nod to Erdogan’s offer to bring down a Russian plane ...
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  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 29 November 2015 21: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: lelikas
    And on account forever

    ... but meanwhile -
    A new Defense Ministry report circulating in the Kremlin claims that President Putin ordered the 58 Army, headquartered in the North Caucasus Military District, this morning to deploy “selective” electronic warfare regiments and brigades, anti-aircraft systems, and multiple-launch rocket systems fire, anti-tank systems, motorized rifle and artillery troops near the Turkish-Armenian border, which in total includes about 7000 Russian military.
    According to this report, the legal component of the permission for this massive military deployment is connected with a joint agreement on the Russian-Armenian air defense system, which President Putin ordered to sign on November 11 and which will be finally signed this week by Prime Minister Medvedev.

    With Armenia, currently becoming an important part of the unified Russian air defense system, the Russian Armed Forces will be able to withstand the threats emanating from Turkey.

    It is also important to note that these forces will be protected, like their counterparts working in Syria, with the S-400 Triumph systems (NATO classification: SA-21 Growler) and the Krasukh-4 electronic warfare systems, which will give them almost complete control over 85 percentages the territory of Turkey.

    http://k-politika.ru/smi-tysyachi-rossijskix-voennyx-razvyortyvayutsya-na-armyan

    o-tureckoj-granice /

    ...and further -
    bobik_57
    November 29th, 16: 35

    Our BDK has now passed the straits and did not raise the Turkish flag to a gaffle.
    Andeevsky raised to the top.
    We have shown that we do not respect their jurisdiction over the straits.
    Yes, and the straits passed on combat alert. Everything is bullied and uncovered. Everyone would just ram.
    The Turks shawal silently diving into the vat with shit ...

  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 29 November 2015 15: 59 New
    14
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    we were not friends, friends do not shoot in the back ...
    1. DOMINO100
      DOMINO100 29 November 2015 16: 10 New
      +2
      used to be a favorite expression-a shot in the leg. Now-a blow to the back! what's next-natsat boot?
  • Isum
    Isum 29 November 2015 16: 05 New
    +7
    When were we friends?
    1. Wolverine
      Wolverine 29 November 2015 16: 21 New
      0
      That's right, the stronghold of life has always been a strong family, and so if inside the country we live as one strong family, no external enemies are afraid of us.
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 29 November 2015 16: 06 New
    21
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    Yes, we were not friends and we won’t; friends do not stick a knife in the back.
    Quote: lelikas
    Politics is dirtier - only Geopolitics can be.

    And the hegemon sits in Fashington and crap, that's where the main evil of the world.
  • Finches
    Finches 29 November 2015 16: 23 New
    +6
    Russia has never been a friend of Turkey, as indeed Turkey was not a friend of Russia!
    They became partners, but some Turks felt that this was too much - the osmalis friendship with the Slavs! In general, and with the Russians, specifically!
    Centuries fly, but people do not change ...
    Yes, and I believe - that such friends, for one place and to the museum!
  • Proxima
    Proxima 29 November 2015 16: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    But what if this is a "friend" (Turkey) mentally insane. This is especially true for Erdogan. They did not then obey the verdict of the Union of Turkish Doctors, who diagnosed Erdogan as "narcissistic personality disorder." The diagnosis made a year and a half ago has a clear clinical color, this is when the patient demonstrates a desire for excellence in everything and does not control his ambitions. If our military would take this into account, then maybe they would not send the SU-24 without cover. Or maybe they didn’t inform the “allies” about it in advance. Yes, a lot of things could be done. Who knew that Erdogan is an insane masochist, sawing off his leg.
  • good7
    good7 29 November 2015 16: 27 New
    +3
    When was Turkey a friend of Russia? You carry nonsense, enemies are worse than ov!
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 29 November 2015 18: 51 New
      +1
      When was Turkey a friend of Russia?

      Of course it wasn’t. And the most interesting - who were we and are for them?
      "Tagil" at their resorts?
      Do we have commercial relations with many countries and all friends?
      And here, “who knew” does not pass. When you sit down at the negotiating table, you should know everything about your counterparty.
      Many often write the hackneyed phrase "East is a delicate matter" without understanding the main point:
      "The bowed head is cut off". Too much and quickly was offered to Erdogan and, without guarantees.
      Result?
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 29 November 2015 16: 29 New
    +2
    avvg RU Today, 15: 52 New
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.


    “For ever” is a lot of time.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 November 2015 16: 33 New
    +1
    "American companies invested in the Ukrainian transport system," the author joked.
  • ava09
    ava09 29 November 2015 16: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    Sorry to have to recall common truths: There must be at least two in friendship. When a naive thinks that he is someone's "friend", they use him. There is a more profitable game - they are wiped ... This is life.
  • cniza
    cniza 29 November 2015 16: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.



    Not very much we relied on them, but now certainly irrevocably.
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  • Shmal_
    Shmal_ 29 November 2015 16: 43 New
    +5
    There are no friends on the geopolitical map - there are only allies and trading partners! Turkey has been our historical enemy since the XNUMXth century. And only in the recent short time has it become a "trading partner." Further our paths diverge.
  • Inok10
    Inok10 29 November 2015 16: 50 New
    21
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    .. ah, was Friendship? ..
    1568-1570 Russian-Turkish war
    1672-1681 Russian-Turkish war
    1686-1700 Azov war
    1710-1711 (13) Prut campaign
    1735-1739 Russian-Turkish war
    1768-1774 Russian-Turkish war
    1787-1791 Russian-Turkish war
    1806-1812 Russian-Turkish war
    1828-1829 Russian-Turkish war
    1853-1856 Crimean War
    1877-1878 Russian-Turkish war
    1914-1918 Caucasus Front (World War I)
    ..tightly we were friends with them .. already, a dozen times .. hi
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 29 November 2015 18: 52 New
      +1
      in principle, the list can be continued with regard to other countries, and only major “official” wars are indicated about Turkey. your suggestions? what are the findings from the list? self-isolation is not an option. I suggest the option "trust but verify"
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    3. kotev19
      kotev19 29 November 2015 20: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Inok10
      Quote: avvg
      Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

      .. ah, was Friendship? ..
      1568-1570 Russian-Turkish war
      1676—1681 Russian-Turkish war
      1686-1700 Azov war
      1710-1711 (13) Prut campaign
      1735-1739 Russian-Turkish war
      1768-1774 Russian-Turkish war
      1787-1791 Russian-Turkish war
      1806-1812 Russian-Turkish war
      1828-1829 Russian-Turkish war
      1853-1856 Crimean War
      1877-1878 Russian-Turkish war
      1914-1918 Caucasus Front (World War I)
      ..tightly we were friends with them .. already, a dozen times .. hi
    4. lelikas
      lelikas 29 November 2015 20: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Inok10
      ..tightly we were friends with them .. already, a dozen times ..

      Not the first time, I see this list on the forum, but it is a bit incomplete - there is still not enough to indicate in it which of the first wars started.
      They were lucky not to get involved in the Second World War, on the side of Germany.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 29 November 2015 16: 57 New
    +3
    What nonsense. Turkey has never been and did not consider Russia a friend, and vice versa.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 29 November 2015 16: 57 New
    +1
    we were never friends. In geopolitics there is no concept of friendship.
  • berkut9737
    berkut9737 29 November 2015 17: 01 New
    +1
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    Turkey has never been a friend of Russia. There is no loss.
  • Vikings
    Vikings 29 November 2015 17: 09 New
    0
    And acquired for all times and generations, bloodthirsty!
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 29 November 2015 17: 43 New
      +9
      Quote: Vikings
      And acquired for all times and generations, bloodthirsty!

      She didn’t lose this blood man from the 13th or 14th century, I can be mistaken, but the Turks are a friend to whom they do not turn their backs.
  • Vikings
    Vikings 29 November 2015 17: 09 New
    0
    And acquired for all times and generations, bloodthirsty!
  • Persistent
    Persistent 29 November 2015 17: 20 New
    +9
    Israel calmly reacted to the erroneous entry of a Russian Air Force fighter


    The country's Defense Ministry said that the Russian plane mistakenly flown a mile into Israeli airspace.


    A military aircraft of the Russian aviation group in Syria flew a mile into Israeli airspace. This was stated by Minister of Defense Moshe Yaalon.

    "There was a small mistake, and the (Russian - approx. Ed.) Pilot flew one mile into our (Israel) airspace," said the head of the Israeli defense department on the radio station Kol Israel (Voice of Israel).

    According to him, the fighter pilot was immediately warned of the violation, and the pilot adjusted his course.

    “We immediately got in touch with him, he immediately changed course and returned to Syria,” said Ya'alon.

    However, the minister did not name the date when the incident was recorded.

    Ya'alon explained that Israel is calm about such incidents, "since Russian planes do not strike at Israel, there is no need to automatically bring them down."
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 29 November 2015 17: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Persistent
      The country's Defense Ministry said that the Russian plane mistakenly flown a mile into Israeli airspace.

      .. this is not the airspace of Israel .. this is a temporarily occupied territory .. the Golan Heights .. in the news, the place is clearly indicated .. do not throw words out of the song! ..this is the territory of Syria temporarily under Israeli control .. no more .. hi
      1. Persistent
        Persistent 29 November 2015 18: 05 New
        +1
        The words from the song were thrown out by the media and not me !! The fact of interaction is important CAM !!!
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 29 November 2015 18: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: Persistent
          The words from the song were thrown out by the media and not me !! The fact of interaction is important CAM !!!

          .. screen RIA Novosti .. controversy is not appropriate .. hi
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 29 November 2015 17: 28 New
    -1
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.


    Is there a place somewhere in the Galaxy where the words "politics" and "dmyrmo" are not considered synonyms? Well, we’ll ditch the Turks after the order of the Commander-in-Chief, to the delight of NATO (these passengers and they were seriously strained). This is how the VKS and the Navy are crashing into runways, and smoking bamboo, Turks, or what’s on fire with yerdogans ...
    Losses are zero. Why chase after the Fifteenths? Let the TROPHIES in the hangars stand. Until . And Constantinople is home. Istanbul on our ass was not enough ... And so full of troubles.
  • family
    family tree 29 November 2015 17: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    Mgm what As far as I remember the story, they were never friends. Turkey, constantly, then Britain, or France, was set on us, if the Turks themselves did not want to fight with fright. Bo on the teeth, all the time received. They, cho, so regulate the population? Overpopulation happened again? So, first, they themselves will have to register as refugees request Where will they sell their goods? In general, the Germans, get ready yes
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 29 November 2015 18: 50 New
      +1
      And not only Turkey is not a friend of Russia - remember China adored and praised here. After all, it began with the development of the Amur and Primorye by the Russians. Everything was wonderful, until suddenly the Empire of Ming began to take control of these lands. And, frankly, the Chinese drove us out of there. Then, during the suppression of the boxing uprising, Russian troops besieged Tianjin. Finally, already under the Soviets, they fought a couple of times with the Kuomintang China. Not so long ago they were dogged in Damansky ... And in the final, according to Eastern concepts, they lost their face and showed weakness, voluntarily giving China a bunch of islands on the Amur. In general, China is no friend to us after that, but here they sing praises.
      1. family
        family tree 29 November 2015 19: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Basarev
        China is not a friend, but here they sing praises.

        Yes, not about China so far what
        Hi hi And at the expense of friends, it’s between people, not countries.
        Although, the late Evdokimov recall how he had what ... The precinct, with Enta, the nurse were friends, with organisms belay , here, it seems repeat
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 November 2015 23: 25 New
        +1
        During the siege of Tianjin, as part of the suppression of a boxing uprising in a coalition with the occupying forces of Great Britain, the USA, France, Germany, Japan, what did the troops of the Russian Empire do there ??? In China! Prior to that, the Taiping uprising was suppressed with the same "allies" ... What side and how did such Russian territories threaten China at that time ??? Yes, and Port Arthur was a Russian city ??? Or was he "rented" by voluntary-compulsory order the Russian Empire from China for 25 years ??? Well, who should not trust whom ??? By the way, the “allies” a few years after the suppression of the boxing uprising started the Russo-Japanese War (England and the United States killed the Japanese), and after more than 10 years they organized the February coup in St. Petersburg .... Besides the Kuomintang China, there was Maoist China ....
  • YARUSSIAN39
    YARUSSIAN39 29 November 2015 19: 14 New
    0
    Turkey has never been friends with Russia, it always did meannesses, we always fought, there’s nothing to be surprised about
  • Awaz
    Awaz 29 November 2015 20: 44 New
    0
    Turks have never been friendly people, so this is garbage. The fact that they were economic partners, duck and the fact that Russia can be said compelled. They themselves were doing dark things all the time. The theme of the Turkish stream is controversial: they bargained as best they could, trying to play on the difficulties and losses that the Russian Federation suffered in preparing the Black Sea stream.
    The Russian authorities would be smarter and not impose an embargo but skillfully use what is in their favor. The Turks are well planted on GAZ, on the production of agricultural products and bought in Russia quite a few, for example, grain (if I do not confuse)
    They will never be friends, but they can bring benefits, and this must be done, and to do so, so that the benefit would be more tangible for us and not for the Turks.
    Well, and finally - Turkey is not one Erdogan and his gang, there are still those who are not very happy with the whole situation. They need to be supported.
  • alex80
    alex80 29 November 2015 21: 03 New
    +3
    To compare actions in a similar situation (information from 29.11.15):
    Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said that a plane from the Russian air group in Syria mistakenly entered the Israeli-controlled airspace over the Golan and returned without incident to the opposite side of the border.
    According to the minister, a communication channel established between the military of the two countries was used to resolve the situation.
    “There was a small mistake, and the pilot flew into our airspace one mile (1,6 kilometers). We immediately got in touch with him, he immediately changed course and returned to Syria,” the minister said on Sunday on Kol Israel. " However, the minister did not specify when this event occurred.
    RIA Novosti has not yet received any comments from the Russian side regarding these reports.
    Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that the air forces of Russia and Israel are conducting trainings to ensure the safety of flights over Syria and have organized a hotline to inform each other about the actions of aircraft there.

    About a year ago, the Israelis, under similar circumstances, shot down a Syrian Su-24 bomber and an unmanned aerial vehicle over part of the Golan Heights controlled by them.
    "Since Russian planes are not going to strike at us, there is no need to automatically shoot them down," Ya'alon said.
    "Just as we do not interfere with their actions and do not interfere in what is happening in Syria ... just like they do not interfere with us flying and acting in accordance with our interests," the minister continued.
    He added that the agreements of the military of the two countries on the prevention of conflict in the Syrian sky provide for mandatory informing the Russian side of flights near Israeli borders.
    "We created an open communication channel to avoid misunderstandings ... They tell us when they fly close to the Golan," Ya'alon said.
  • shershen
    shershen 29 November 2015 21: 36 New
    0
    However, it should be recognized that Russia “lost” Turkey for a very long time.
  • Gomel
    Gomel 29 November 2015 22: 28 New
    +1
    Sad it all
  • APASUS
    APASUS 29 November 2015 22: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    Whenever there are straightforward accusations against a country, look what is behind it.
    China doesn’t go to war with the United States, so Ukraine can be shaken up and it didn’t go according to the scenario, there are still a dozen scenarios that directly or indirectly involve huge regions in the war. And most importantly, all the alarming regions do not have a direct or indirect border with the United States, that is, may affect the domestic politics of America itself.
    In any conflict, there are countries that profit in addition to direct victory. Of course, it may look ridiculous, but the airfield on Iran’s airspace of Russia now looks like the most promising, namely a political blow.
    The role of China may look like a second political blow, but here the problem with external self-consciousness and its role may look like tacit consent and the blow of a sword. In any case, it will be difficult for Russia alone if it is not possible to defeat ISIS. In a larger case, the cards are now in the hands of Europeans and Chinese and the United States, further conflict may drag on for years or resolve in months.
  • GRAMARI111
    GRAMARI111 29 November 2015 23: 01 New
    0
    The trick is that the State Department, substituting Erdogan, now together with the NATO countries, will hang all the dogs on the Turks ... and will put the less problematic protégé at the head of Turkey ... All his ties to ISIL have come out ... It's time for the European Union and the US to shake off from this mud and pretend that Erdogan is the most leper there. And it is from him all the problems ...
  • Bochik
    Bochik 29 November 2015 23: 37 New
    0
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    Any, even the most terrible, wars end with negotiations. Russia fought more than once with Turkey. So never say never.
  • Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin 30 November 2015 00: 38 New
    0
    Quote: avvg
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.

    Was Turkey our friend? .. Rather, a country with which we were forced to maintain good neighborly relations.
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 30 November 2015 01: 21 New
    0
    Turkey has lost Russia as a friend, forever.


    Turks have never been friends. This is a mistake of Russia, which teaches the world its sayings, for example, simplicity is worse than theft. She herself teaches, but she does not study.
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 30 November 2015 04: 10 New
    0
    Turkey was not a friend :) it is impossible to be friends with neighbors, then they drill, then ooh-ah, then they flood. But you can have a good neighborly relationship.
  • Appraiser
    Appraiser 30 November 2015 15: 41 New
    0
    I didn’t lose a friend, but correctly speak - a partner. Russia was never a friend of Turkey, and could not be at all ... soldier
  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 30 November 2015 21: 51 New
    0
    The Turks and I were never friends, we just became good neighbors, that is, our own. Yes! Before friendship, we thought, there was not much left.
  • vit357
    vit357 30 November 2015 22: 27 New
    0
    good joke.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 1 December 2015 11: 08 New
    0
    Since when have the Turks and I been friends? The President meant the meanness of the deed. Throughout History, we only did what we fought. We could become friends with them, only under Atattürk, if he chose the socialist path of development.
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 29 November 2015 15: 56 New
    +7
    Nonsense. The Turks have never been our allies, but our modern domestic business is interested in relations with the Turks. And while "our" government is ruled by "our" business, it will bend, in spite of state priorities. In the government, after the fall of Su-24, nothing has changed, then where is the confidence that something will change in the politics of our state?

    I do not know why our foreign policy is so toothless. Putin spoke quite harshly, but decisive action should follow the words - an immediate lowering of the level of relations. The Turkish military attache needed to be handed not only a note of protest - they spit on these notes of protest, they are ready for this - he must be expelled with the apparatus within 24 hours.

    The second point - you need to demand the convening of the UN Security Council, you need to condemn Turkey as an aggressor in accordance with the UN Charter. And of course, we need to warn that a military response will be given to this act of aggression: whether it will be shot down by Turkish aircraft - this is not necessary to be shy - or it will be a blow to the airfield from which the F16 took off. That is, you need to seriously respond to this.

    "Change" Erdogan - and "friendship" will return. Money is more important for the business that our government is spinning.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 29 November 2015 16: 56 New
      +8
      Nonsense. Turks have never been our allies, but ours modern domestic business is interested in relations with the Turks ...


      One replica from place:
      Who said that Russian citizens are wildly delighted with the interests of domestic business? A business that in a difficult situation simply inflates prices: prices for plane tickets, for railway transportation, for essential products (including salt, cereals, sunflower oil, etc.), for electric generators, for household candles .. .Proceed?

      Second replica:
      After the fall of the Su-24, much has changed and it’s just silly not to notice it. At the same time, this is only the first part of the Marlezon Ballet (hunting for turkeys).

      Your truth, when Erdogan is removed, perhaps a country with the name Turkey will look different, and our government will clean the ranks of those interested in business ...
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 29 November 2015 17: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: yuriy55
        Who said that Russian citizens are delighted with the interests of domestic business?

        So what? maidan? white arrow

        Quote: yuriy55
        our government will clean the ranks

        Yes, believing in miracles is not prohibited.

        Quote: yuriy55
        After the fall of the Su-24, much has changed and not noticing it is simply stupid.

        Consider me stupid, and dedicate what has changed.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 23: 30 New
      0
      The Russian Empire also fought against Persia more than once ... So, you don’t have to go to rapprochement with Iran ??? Immediately you need to send Iran off ??? Preventively, so to speak.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 29 November 2015 15: 58 New
    +2
    Return to the old world is impossible
    to hell with the old world, "we are ours, we will build a new world" ... yes
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 29 November 2015 17: 00 New
      +2
      Perhaps this will happen like this:


      laughing
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 29 November 2015 20: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      to hell with the old world, "we are ours, we will build a new world" ..

      Well, yes, only there they still promised to destroy the old world to the ground! Maybe something more careful? Not worth it to the bottom? smile
  • Idunavs
    Idunavs 29 November 2015 15: 58 New
    +3
    Everything can turn around so that the world will “lose” Turkey winked
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 29 November 2015 17: 13 New
      +3
      You are right, this can happen at any moment ... winked
  • NIKNN
    NIKNN 29 November 2015 15: 58 New
    +8
    And there is Russia, which alone supports Assad, and there is NATO, which is fighting for the right of the Syrian people to a better life.


    Well, since there is no choice ... We gave the opportunity to choose, they themselves chose their fate. No one has yet won Russia, only deceived. crying
  • venaya
    venaya 29 November 2015 16: 00 New
    +6
    It seems that someone wants to drive the EU's energy security into the narrow neck of Ukrainian transit

    Here is direct evidence that it is not accidental to attack our bomber. The interests of transnationals are directly visible here, perhaps the task of solving the US financial problems is somehow set as a result of the ruin of European manufacturers (they are less competitive in some sectors).
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 29 November 2015 16: 01 New
    0
    The conclusion is correct, everything is done by order of the United States! At all costs to preserve the transit of gas through Ukraine in order to ensure the existence of the Kiev junta. What next? Is it really necessary to agree and admit defeat?
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 29 November 2015 16: 01 New
    +5
    An interesting point of view of the author, largely agree with him. But if I understood the author correctly, to reduce the whole situation to energy sources, probably all the same too simplistic approach. Still, it is thought that the West’s eternal desire to reduce and, in some ways, even eliminate the influence of Russia on the modern world order plays a significant role in this provocation. And allied relations with a number of European countries do not suit Washington at all.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 29 November 2015 16: 22 New
      +5
      Vladimir 1964! 16.01. The issue of energy is not just that. Cutting off Europe from our energy carriers, the United States offers its own. Not necessarily shale gas. In collaboration with the state energy companies with ISIS, they give Europe, in addition to financial, energy Faberge, which you can always put pressure on. If Europe is completely opposed, there are migrants and terrorists. So understandable?
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 29 November 2015 20: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: 34 region
        With the cooperation of state energy companies with ISIS

        Dear colleague, let me disagree with you on this issue for a number of reasons. Naturally in my subjective opinion. The fact is that the United States is a rather unique country in relation to the presence of state oil producing companies, in the USA they simply do not exist, as in other cases there are no oil producing companies with state participation. In order not to be unfounded, I suggest a source: Svargaman July 10, 2014. or this one: National Oil Companies and Value Creation, World Bank Working Paper No 218, The World Bank, Washington DC 2011, p.17 .. Naturally, the state (USA) has a serious influence on the policies of these companies, but by the way purely administrative, in accordance with federal and state laws. In this regard, American companies can in no way be associated with ISIS, due to the inability, roughly speaking, to declare sources of oil production. Therefore, it is simply not possible to talk about cooperation between US oil companies and ISIS. Another question is that the West is closing (I hope at the moment, you can say - closing) its eyes on the merging of the interests of Turkey and ISIS in the oil industry, this is of course an indisputable fact. But again, in Europe there are also quite serious laws, especially in the field of energy resources, in that part that the quantity of oil products that have no legal (economic) justification cannot come from anywhere, so I will nevertheless insist on my opinion that oil is everything it’s only a lever of influence on our country, but not an end in itself, but the goal is to “remove” our country from building a new world order, without the consequences of the Yeltsin era, that takes into account the interests of not only Anglo-Saxons.
        Something like that, colleague. hi
    2. 34 region
      34 region 29 November 2015 16: 26 New
      0
      We can say that ISIS occupies a small territory. If desired, the puppeteers can increase it. But only Russia and China will certainly interfere with this. But work on knocking out competitors is underway.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 29 November 2015 16: 02 New
    +1
    The world is constantly changing ... It's time to change the world as it is beneficial to Russia! ..
  • Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 29 November 2015 16: 05 New
    +3
    You can talk endlessly and do nothing at the same time.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 29 November 2015 16: 14 New
    +9
    just. to know
  • 34 region
    34 region 29 November 2015 16: 14 New
    11
    Russia is carefully cut off from energy supplies to Europe and crushed by sanctions. Europeans have increased retirement age to pay benefits to migrants. Instead of involving the population in the labor activity of people, bombing and shelling is being moved to Europe. Of course, there is no international conspiracy and everything happens purely by accident. A downed plane is probing us for strength. Will we answer or swallow? It turned out that we unconditionally trust our partners not only money but also our lives. The downed plane showed the consequences of our trust.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 29 November 2015 16: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: 34 region
      It turned out that we unconditionally trust our partners not only money but also our lives.

      What kind of trust can we talk about? How can you trust NATO? I do not believe that our warriors are so simple types. "Simplicity is worse than theft" is our proverb; "Trusting a woman - you will become a beggar, trusting a man - you will die" - Eastern wisdom.

      This is either criminal negligence caused by elementary laziness, or a planned joint provocation. Ukri no longer scare our people, let's scare a sign of the third world. Some kind of crap.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 29 November 2015 20: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: MainBeam
        What kind of trust can we talk about?
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 23: 37 New
      0
      The key point is cutting off energy supplies to Europe! Classic! 2 hares-problems of Russia, even bigger problems to Europe ... For complete happiness, it remains to refuse energy supplies to China, since Damansky is there, and even ancient China, it means tricky ...
  • Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 29 November 2015 16: 16 New
    +4
    I agree with the author - the world will not be the same.
    There was a country Ukraine - didn’t give a damn about Russia ... now in those parts a territorial entity with a standard of living close to African, but in Africa it’s at least warm - and here - winter is near.
    There was a powerful regional state of Turkey - spat on Russia’s soul ..... movement towards the state of the "third world", already in the face ....
    Perdogan wants to meet with Putin ..... the pig regularly meets .... did this help him a lot?
    Something like this.
  • GAF
    GAF 29 November 2015 16: 16 New
    0
    It seems that the world has tensed up in anticipation of Russia's response. Putin gives him time to relax. A volley of calibers was a key point in the existence of unipolarity in the decision-making procedure in international affairs.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 29 November 2015 16: 17 New
    +4
    Sometimes it is not clear why the authors of such articles compose them at all? They list different facts, sometimes not related to each other, put together in one ball and draw conclusions that are about nothing! Probably as in the saying "Gypsy cherishes the move." It’s clear to Kose that we respond to all US actions with some kind of opposition, and all of the above facts obey this. Another question is how effective is it? There is a position that counteraction is almost always more effective than action, while it was so. But sometimes there is a suspicion that we may not be able to resist somewhere and have to act on our own, but where? When there is no choice and it will be necessary to beat first, the case will probably tell you. These are the cases that will reshape world politics. Our "hopelessness" may bode in the end as a major victory. The main thing is not to miss something important.
    1. tanit
      tanit 29 November 2015 16: 34 New
      0
      And that's right. I'm talking about the author. Everything else is secondary.
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 29 November 2015 16: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Sometimes it is not clear why the authors of such articles compose them at all? They list different facts, sometimes not related to each other, put together in one ball and draw conclusions that are about nothing!

      They also quote themselves and pass it off as some kind of political prophecy of the newly appeared Nostradamus, but in fact, there is typical verbiage. A more modest author would need to be.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 29 November 2015 16: 20 New
    +6
    How good it was to our ancestors. "To our king, they showed a fig, we’ll die, all for it!" Not any “Hercules”, aircraft carriers, transcontinental missiles. Collected atagu, gave in the face! Whose fighters are cooler, and the chieftain is smarter, those are true. Now, nothing is clear. Why brought down? Which of Holland's friend? And to hell, is he for us? And what does a monkey want with an alternatively black color at home? Maybe the truth, "the son of a Turkish citizen," completely played in the old days? Decided, as before, to collect a team, but beat the Uruses? And, frankly, the article is about nothing. Personally, I’ve read a lot more interesting lately in the comments.
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 29 November 2015 16: 33 New
      +6
      Hollande friend - this is from a series of shortest jokes
  • tanit
    tanit 29 November 2015 16: 22 New
    +4
    200 thousand Russian soldiers to the Bulgarian land ... And only two Bulgarians still remember. The Turks at least have an excuse — they don’t have Alyosha above the mountain.
  • moskowit
    moskowit 29 November 2015 16: 26 New
    +1
    The author wants to say that with this ugly provocation by the hands of the Turks, "Uncle Sam Obama" instantly won back the lost ground on the Syrian issue? Unlikely. Russia will fight to victory. But Turkey has risen to the edge of the economic "abyss" ...
  • tanit
    tanit 29 November 2015 16: 27 New
    0
    And then - his tunic does not save him from paint.
  • 3officer
    3officer 29 November 2015 16: 28 New
    +1
    Noting the “hot spots” that have arisen recently on the map, one can clearly see that the problems are multiplying not around Russia, but around Europe. It seems that someone wants to drive the EU’s energy security into the narrow neck of Ukrainian transit.

    This "someone" constantly runs around the world and tries to drive someone, his "partnership" and energy security. Let this "someone" stop emitting his shale gas in our direction. And if someone likes to sniff everything that emits this "someone" and say that his miasms smell of roses (for example, those who even release their gases only with permission from the embassy of the "same") then let them continue to do this and also pay for it.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 November 2015 16: 29 New
    0
    That would be such super-decoupling as in the photographs about five six to build in Moscow.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 29 November 2015 16: 40 New
      +7
      If you resettle 90 percent of Muscovites in the country, you will get by with traffic lights. So it will be optimally effective!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2015 16: 54 New
        +3
        In Moscow, probably 50 percent come from other countries and regions of Russia - the policy of the former mayor continues to bear fruit. It would be better if the capital was moved to Novosibirsk.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 November 2015 16: 29 New
    +3
    IMHO - Erdogan will be replaced. They will pay compensation for the downed aircraft and moral costs. Only then some kind of relief from our side.
    Yes, all dogs will be hanged on Erdogan. Turkey will try to become more secular. It has long been "not Islamic," and driving it into medieval obscurantism is not easy. Hope so.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 29 November 2015 17: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Turkey will try to become more secular. She has long been "not Islamic"

      And what is the party in power now? After all, it is somehow supported, and this is clearly more than half
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 29 November 2015 17: 46 New
      0
      She has long been "not Islamic" ,,,
      yeah, and you know that the ruling party of Turkey is ,, Muslim brothers ,,?
  • There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 29 November 2015 16: 31 New
    +2
    They say that the world can lose Turkey ... But Russia can acquire the Byzantine Federal District with its center in Constantinople
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 30 November 2015 16: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: There are a lot of us
      But Russia may acquire

      Yeah, and with it another 1001 hemorrhoids ...
      winked We wouldn’t lose Russia ... Everywhere there is a “thunder of victories”, and life is all “worse and worse”.
  • 123321
    123321 29 November 2015 16: 32 New
    +4

    What are the Russian air forces fighting in Syria? The secret base of Tu-160 strategic bombers, the legendary White Swans, are preparing for the first combat sorties in their history. Also, the latest Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber received a baptism of fire in Syria. You will also find out what latest technologies are hidden behind spectacular strikes ISIS. How our planes and helicopters managed to be made practically invisible to terrorists. We will talk about cutting-edge detection technologies that do not leave the enemy a chance to hide. The developers of defense systems will express their opinion about the history of the downed Su-24. How will unique electronic warfare systems help Russian pilots?
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 29 November 2015 17: 23 New
      +2
      26 Video: 05

      All 100% of the aircraft that are manufactured by our industry are equipped with airborne defense systems ... In Syria, almost all of our aircraft are equipped with electronic warfare systems ... - If you imagine such a situation that Igilov’s MANPADS on this Su-34 will happen next? - The fact of the threat, the fact of the launch of the missile will be determined, then the on-board defense complex will be included, which will deploy this missile ... or this missile will be blown

      So why shot down the Su-24?
      Not a clear story.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2015 17: 37 New
        +2
        Shot down because this Su 24 had no protection whatsoever.
        1. fif21
          fif21 29 November 2015 18: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          Shot down because this Su 24 had no protection whatsoever.
          Today, our plane flew into the airspace of Israel. He was notified about this and the plane flew to Syria. Maybe they have no navigation systems? request Or the error in the devices + - 10km? (For Russian open spaces this is nonsense) can the training of pilots be weak? Or there is no warning system that flies to the territory of another state request I don’t know what to think.
          1. your1970
            your1970 29 November 2015 20: 51 New
            0
            the fact is that the land borders of states are quite controversial, even when there is a PCB on the ground, and even airspace ... Unfortunately, there are no fences there ..
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      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2015 17: 41 New
        +3
        We have to admit that all these electronic warfare systems protect only in words, the system that stood on the downed Su 24, if at all, did not go through combat use.
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 29 November 2015 16: 32 New
    +4
    the main of which experts call a new gas pipeline along the bottom of the Black Sea. It remains only to add that this gas pipeline concerns not only the Russian-Turkish agreements. His project appeared after the EU blocked the construction of the South Stream, which was conceived as an alternative to the Ukrainian transit of Russian gas to the countries of southern Europe.


    There is a war for the energy spheres of influence. And we are in Syria, not only because the Syrians are friends to us, but also because when Amer and Hedgehog eliminate them, Assad, the gas route from Kuwait and the SA to Europe opens for "them" with the elimination of Russia as the main blue fuel supplier! Glad Geyropeytsy, Yankees, Turks and other ... Everyone except us.
  • Rigla
    Rigla 29 November 2015 16: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "And forever - and the world is changing, the Germans and the Japanese also lost, the Chinese also fought" ////

    That's for sure ... not everything is so dramatic.
    ... Putin will meet with Erdogan in Paris (or somewhere else). They will talk.

    1) Putin will promise not to nightmare the Turkoman.
    2) Erdogan promises to restrain Turkoman
    didn’t hang out with the vile Nusra and did not try to grumble at the Russian base.
    3) Erdogan promises not to touch the Russian planes, and Putin - Turkish.

    And, as they said in the USSR, world peace ...


    Нет! negative
    Rubicon crossed angry
    Now, the closure of Syrian airspace from the Turks, the defeat of the igil and the "opposition", the destruction of the Turkoman (churkoman), the pumping of Syria with weapons (so that the Turks dare not invade with impunity), and ... smile the sweetest ... wink Kurdish terror of the Turks! cruel and merciless! With our universal support, so that these Turkish creatures would crash every day, and in general a general war would come to them. Stop snot us chewing! And from the point of view of international law, we have nothing to do with lol In short, the Turks (chocks) themselves signed a sentence.
    PS I imagine how degenerates - Ukrainians - traitors of the Russian world will gnash their teeth when it starts smile
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 November 2015 18: 50 New
      0
      As they say, wait and see ... drinks
  • rudik
    rudik 29 November 2015 16: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: Denis-Skiff
    just. to know

    Thing however !!!!!!!
  • Benya krik
    Benya krik 29 November 2015 16: 35 New
    -3
    Russia needs a world-wide event to bring about the collapse of the US economy before the Americans create a transatlantic trade partnership. True, this is likely to entail a collapse of the dollar and pull into the pit the entire world economic system. Yes, even so, we get out, because it is completely self-sufficient and did not get out of such troubles.
  • cte-power
    cte-power 29 November 2015 16: 37 New
    +2
    article is complete nonsense - it feels like pieces are pulled from different points of view
  • fif21
    fif21 29 November 2015 16: 39 New
    +3
    Israel’s calm attitude towards the error of the pilot of the Russian Aerospace Forces is respected, and Turkey’s hysteria, except contempt, can cause nothing. As the Russian proverb says, as he comes around, he will respond. hi
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  • sery volk
    sery volk 29 November 2015 16: 49 New
    +3
    the world changed when Primakov turned over the Atlantic, it’s complete nonsense. America doesn’t give a damn about where it turned around or bent down, if our paratroopers hadn’t left the pristine ground and then they would have thrown air defense missiles and aviation, then no one would have slipped into it. and in the circus, clowns turn around and turn around, but this does not cause anything other than laughter.
  • Vikings
    Vikings 29 November 2015 16: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: lelikas
    Politics is dirtier - only Geopolitics can be.
    And on the bill forever - the world is changing, the Germans and the Japanese were also lost, the Chinese were also fighting in Damansky. Time will tell . (not that on the first channel;))

    But to press it to the nail, it was high time. Unfortunately, at the cost of a precious life.
  • smith7
    smith7 29 November 2015 16: 51 New
    +1
    "The picture of the old world has ceased to exist ..." - thanks, cap! hi Somehow the article "niochem." E. Primakov is a wonderful man and the memory of him is the kindest. And the rest is either known facts that have already been voiced, or unproven conspiracy theories, or I didn’t understand anything.
    1. smith7
      smith7 29 November 2015 18: 20 New
      0
      Here is the way alternative reading. A thoughtful and educated woman wrote, which, incidentally, is now quite a few. I read with interest and in many ways agree, only in a straightforward way, IMHO ... http://astralgin.livejournal.com/43006.html
  • Massik
    Massik 29 November 2015 16: 56 New
    +6
    Nord Stream-South Stream ....
    But in our half of our own country there is no flow, as we drowned with wood, and drown. As you recall this paradox, both hands drop.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 29 November 2015 16: 56 New
    0
    God grant that it was like in a song: “Good, everything will be fine, good, I know that for sure!” I feel the Turks, the Turks, are in sorrow for the most wow.
  • All-seeing
    All-seeing 29 November 2015 16: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey S.
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    Denying the opportunity - attack with arguments, not emotions ...

    The argument was presented in advance.
    Watch the movie "Brother."

    Forever and ever, amen!
  • DOMINO100
    DOMINO100 29 November 2015 17: 07 New
    0
    The EU will resume dialogue on Turkey’s membership in exchange for assistance with refugees. Here is how Europe reacts to Turkey. What kind of support do you think Russia has from Europe? Turks their trump card is now against Russia.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 23: 57 New
      0
      Turkey is blackmailing Europe with flows of refugees, Europe will try to blackmail Russia with Turkey .... In what an awesome world we live!
  • nik1321
    nik1321 29 November 2015 17: 07 New
    +2
    Surprise are the shifters - Turkey and suddenly the enemy? And what was previously a friend, for Russia, or no one knew anything - or didn’t want to know? If you look at what they did and whom they sponsored and treated over the past time, then they should not have given a hand.
  • Elfhybr
    Elfhybr 29 November 2015 17: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: lelikas
    This hour in general, it seems that Edorgan himself does not understand why he muddied all this, sort of like a big blue, you can do things, and in the morning - even tear your hair on your head - what the hell

    Confession of Erdogan.
    Minisplay.
    Erdogan was left behind, a month after the attack of the Russian SU-24 and placed in a psychiatric clinic. Putin came to his ward with a box of baklava.
    Confession of Erdogan:

    Listen to me you came
    Well: thanks! Choch Sagol
    Yes, I ordered to bring down your SU!
    But I swear I don’t piss at all!
    Yes, of course I did piss!
    In the UN and NATO ran!
    But there they showed me a shish!
    I had to get my own hash!
    And smoke a hookah soon!
    And here I am again Erdogan!
    I'm superman, super sultan!
    And I have a super plan!
    Evil Assad will be defeated!
    I will create a great caliphate!
    And Besiktas
    Win Champions League
    Ole ole ole
    Turkey Go!

    Then Erdogan had a seizure, convulsions, orderlies came running and injected him with chlorpromazine.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 29 November 2015 17: 23 New
    0
    I believe that in the event of a possible exacerbation, the EU countries are very vulnerable, especially Germany and France! There you can organize a Civil War with the participation of immigrants, it will not be difficult ...
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 November 2015 23: 59 New
      0
      It's like one of the cards in the State Department deck ... They have the State Department, a lot of cards in their sleeves, speckled ...
  • Vasily V
    Vasily V 29 November 2015 17: 25 New
    0
    The situation is solved simply - undermining by all activists of all threads of the gas pipeline passing through the territory of Urkaina. And there will be no alternative to Nord Stream 2.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 30 November 2015 00: 06 New
      0
      After all, these “partners” from the EU can also include the rear one on Sevpotok-2, over time, it won’t be with them ...
  • tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 29 November 2015 17: 27 New
    +2
    The formation process is ongoing.
    It is painful, but does not happen otherwise. The unipolar world is over.
    A second front is forming, allies, apostates, opponents. Countries alternately have to occupy one of the parties.
    Many people see where the wind blows, and it is so changeable. The weak are shaking, someone is winning, who is bargaining for better conditions. How long is it to last? 10-20 years.
    All this will be accompanied by excesses, then the two poles will gain strength.
    Then zah !!!
    So many times in history so repeated.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 30 November 2015 00: 08 New
      0
      It seems like .... Alliances are forming ....
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 November 2015 17: 30 New
    +2
    Of course the world is changing.
    Now Russia will significantly bend Turkey as much as possible,
    so that such provocations do not happen again.
    Today, our plane flew into the airspace of Israel.
    Israeli services just contacted the pilot and he returned
    into the airspace of Syria.
    That was the way it should be with Turkey.
    Now let’s see where we will be next time injected with the US.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 30 November 2015 00: 12 New
      0
      What is most interesting, ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation can bend Turkey as much as possible (economically) .... boycott of tourism in Turkey, Turkish goods ... Are citizens ready? Well, the Supreme remains to bend on the political field ...
  • andrereu74
    andrereu74 29 November 2015 17: 31 New
    0
    someone of yours said that Putin was shooting on the Maidan, which in the end turned out to be ???
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 29 November 2015 17: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    INFORMATION TO THOUGHT bully .
    And why doesn’t anyone consider the events taking place with the Russian Su, brought down by Turkey, as a FILLED, HIGHEST QUALITY (I applaud !!!) operation of the Russian special services ?!


    In this provocation participated a bunch of services that are not interconnected, moreover, are not even subordinate to each other:
    - those who pointed (the exact location of our aircraft, time, its route, etc.);
    - those who shot (directly F-16);
    - those who shot (the operator in the gang);
    - those who destroyed the pilots (barmalei - they didn’t happen to be there by accident, moreover: they had an order - to destroy the pilots so that there were no witnesses, they knew in advance that they were Russian pilots, how they could figure out so quickly - and if the Turks fell?);
    - special groups with direction finders, who had the same order: to destroy the pilot, so that he couldn’t say that they didn’t fly outside Turkey, nobody warned them about anything.

    I would like to believe that our special services have such an influence, but this, in my opinion, is from the realm of fiction.
  • Karavan-150
    Karavan-150 29 November 2015 17: 57 New
    +5
    1 - Assad enter a no-fly zone over Syria.
    2 - Turkey sanctions and arm the Kurds, Erdogan to take out and hang, like Saddam's states.
    3 - To equip the DPR and LPR to the teeth and help cleanse the fascist and agitated hohlopiteks to Lviv itself.
    4 - Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria, Serbia, Czech Republic to the Russian Federation.
    5 - Allow Kadyrov to use his well-trained and experienced units in ground operations.
    6 - Send to the hell all who blather, until the expulsion of the ambassadors, starting with Tefft.
    Here is a decisive set of measures that will make us respect the Russian Federation and reckon with it.
    Everything else is endless fuss that lasts for decades, the world has changed and it's time to change the rules of the game to tougher ones, and not hold on to the past and listen to the defenders of Pusi Ryot, poking chicken corpses into their gins.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 29 November 2015 18: 23 New
      +2
      I am sure that the absolute majority of colleagues will like the direction of your thoughts, but there is only one “but” - this is all too good to be true.
    2. Santjaga_Garka
      Santjaga_Garka 29 November 2015 20: 45 New
      0
      Excellent plans, I would vote for it, it’s a pity that we don’t see the pitfalls of such decisions, but they exist, otherwise such decisions would immediately go into action, I think they expected a similar solution from us ...
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 30 November 2015 16: 17 New
        -1
        Well yes. We have a "multi-port" and HPP. But the standard of living is falling and falling ... Will we reach the end of the party? Maybe the elite will also throw themselves in the war, since it has begun?
    3. lukewarm
      lukewarm 30 November 2015 16: 13 New
      -1
      I would put 100 pluses.
      Quote: Karavan-150
      Erdogan is taken out and hanged like Saddam's states.


      But alas! For the time being, we are taxing the impoverished people with new taxes, provoking a march of truckers, and opening "Yeltsin centers" for 7 billion.

      So the first item on your plan is a change of course (I’m not writing otherwise - article wink ) Without it, the rest is impossible.
  • sherp2015
    sherp2015 29 November 2015 17: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Shveps
    After the defeat of the USSR, the world became unipolar. as confirmed by the new "civilizational union" with the participation of Russia against the IGTL created by the same forces.
    The question is where is this pole of cold? Three versions - England, USA, Israel.



    Centers of Evil!
    1. Halfunra
      Halfunra 29 November 2015 21: 34 New
      0
      Personal opinion.
      Not so easy.
      Well, bad guys are sitting in two puddles. where is the money?
      We get, even without nuclear weapons, any territory of the United States, just a caliber from the underwater fart.
      Fart. What next?
      Now, if we deploy their money to us, then there will be happiness.
      Fighting the sixes Erdogan, Assad and other misery is for pussy.
      Their money Denyuzhki, and we had them, to return to us, that’s the task.
      Time task. We will be able to convince or serve well, our three points, and there is no win for the NBA. hi
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 30 November 2015 16: 07 New
        -1
        Even did not understand
        Quote: Halfunra
        Fight the Sixes Erdogan, Assad and other misery

        It’s not like we are fighting Assad, but vice versa.
        Quote: Halfunra
        Their money Denyuzhki, and we had them, to return to us, that’s the task.

        Whose? In my opinion, only ours are in American securities, and not vice versa. So whose money do you want to return. And who needs to be well served?
        In this regard, EBN prices. By the way, we are already serving - the president of the Yeltsin Center is opening.
  • demandy1
    demandy1 29 November 2015 18: 14 New
    -1
    The stagnant US economy requires new sacrifices. Russia does not want to climb into the jaws of this monster itself and does not advise others. The monster freaks out, throws himself, snarls, but his bites become scary only to his vassals! And he already understands this! It’s only that Russia is becoming stronger every day and, paradoxically, the loss does not panic us. We are a different people, we are becoming more careful, stronger and angrier! It is dangerous to play catch-up with an awakened bear, the Russian bear will always protect its forest.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 29 November 2015 18: 18 New
    +2
    Much has been said above, something in the case, something not. Personally, I hope that the GDP tomorrow will ignore this sickly falling jackal, Lavrov’s maximum meeting with some Turkish minister who did not light up the bark on Russia on air. And no lifting of sanctions before they take effect. We will eat tomatoes and Iranian, if that.