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Media: Washington requires Ankara to strengthen the Syrian border

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Washington insists on increasing the number of Turkish troops on the 100-kilometer stretch of the border with Syria, in order to curb the penetration of IG supporters into the combat area, and also to prevent the militants from moving to Turkey, reports RIA News Post Wall Street Journal.




According to an unnamed source in the Obama administration, "the border should be closed, it is an international threat, it comes from Syria and passes through Turkey."

According to the interlocutor, for complete overlapping of the border, it is necessary to order 30 thousand troops.

In turn, Turkish military sources believe that "this figure is exaggerated, however, Ankara recognizes the need to strengthen the border with Syria."

According to the newspaper, “in exchange for closing the border, Turkey expects to receive assistance in solving the problem of refugees and support in creating a security zone in Syria,” but Washington “does not support the creation of a complete security zone on the Syrian side of the border, as it fears further US involvement in the conflict ".
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  1. venaya
    venaya 28 November 2015 12: 19
    +8
    also prevent militants from entering Turkey

    This is interesting, if they started to fight, then let them fight? Nice thing.
    "Washington “does not support the creation of a full-fledged security zone on the Syrian side of the border, as it fears the US will be further drawn into the conflict”"- and yourself in the bushes, they say, fight on your own.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 28 November 2015 12: 21
      51
      The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syrian territory on a different pretext to create a demilitarized zone, which Kerry previously voiced and approved.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 28 November 2015 12: 24
        18
        Quote: AlexTires
        The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syrian territory on a different pretext to create a demilitarized zone, which Kerry previously voiced and approved.



        Right.

        Then there will be a reason - "violation of the border", "shelling of Turkish territory", etc.

        1. cniza
          cniza 28 November 2015 12: 28
          +6
          Quote: bulvas
          Quote: AlexTires
          The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syrian territory on a different pretext to create a demilitarized zone, which Kerry previously voiced and approved.



          Right.

          Then there will be a reason - "violation of the border", "shelling of Turkish territory", etc.



          And there, even before the full-scale war, one step and the main task is to draw Russia in.
          1. Temples
            Temples 28 November 2015 12: 31
            11
            "The border must be closed, it is an international threat, it comes from Syria and passes through the territory of Turkey."

            The threat comes from the SGA.
            Formed in Iraq and Syria.
            Studied in Turkey.
            It is treated in Turkey.
            Destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian army.
          2. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin 28 November 2015 12: 47
            +5
            And there, even before the full-scale war, one step and the main task is to draw Russia in.

            The European Union will stop its horns, but it will not allow a military conflict between Turkey and Syria, it will not be threatened by hundreds of thousands of refugees, as it is now, but the bill will go to tens of millions ... does it need it?
            1. 34 region
              34 region 28 November 2015 12: 55
              +6
              Will the European Union balk? And if they put pressure on him? And when did the EU rest?
              1. Rostovchanin
                Rostovchanin 28 November 2015 13: 02
                +5
                Will the European Union balk? And if they put pressure on him? And when did the EU rest?

                There is an economic lever, what will Turkish traders do with Erdogan if, in addition to Russia, the EU also announces sanctions to Turkey? These are the two largest trading partners of Turkey ... everything is built on business.
                1. dr. sem
                  dr. sem 28 November 2015 13: 18
                  -9
                  "TORGASHI" WILL DO NOTHING WITH ERDOGASHKA. FOR THAT THEY AND THE TRADERS. THE TURKISH ARMY HAS EXPERIENCED THE MOST CLEANING. IN TURKEY THERE IS NO POWER ABLE TODAY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE NEW SULTAN. IT IS A FACT. IN THIS REGION, IT'S MORE SOOOOO LONG.
                  1. Rostovchanin
                    Rostovchanin 28 November 2015 13: 21
                    +3
                    "TORGASHI" WILL DO NOTHING WITH ERDOGASHKA. FOR THAT THEY AND THE TRADERS. THE TURKISH ARMY HAS EXPERIENCED THE MOST CLEANING. IN TURKEY THERE IS NO POWER ABLE TODAY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE NEW SULTAN. IT IS A FACT. IN THIS REGION, IT'S MORE SOOOOO LONG.
                    in the East - trade is above all, in vain you underestimate the merchant ..
                    1. dr. sem
                      dr. sem 28 November 2015 13: 28
                      +2
                      It’s not worth overestimating the merchants.
                      1. maxiban
                        maxiban 28 November 2015 15: 05
                        +5
                        Has anyone seen the Turks not being traders? They have it in the blood, it’s sewn up in the DNA. Any Turk by nature is a bargainer. Whether he is the president of Turkey or the driver of the bus, but still a trader.
              2. pilot8878
                pilot8878 28 November 2015 13: 39
                +3
                Quote: Region 34
                And when did the EU rest?

                The EU is constantly pushing. Sorry, they have him, but he rests his hands on the fence to make it easier for the owner.
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            1. Rostovchanin
              Rostovchanin 28 November 2015 13: 13
              +8
              Stop raving! "..the task is to involve Russia ..." Are you brainless from geyropia, there is no logic ???
              RF WILL ALREADY BE DRAWN AND WILL BE ONE MORE BETTER.
              DE FACT - RF - THE PARTY OF THE CONFLICT ... AND TRY TO DISCUSS WHEN ALREADY FOR TWO MONTHS OUR VKS IS TAKEN BY ISLANDS ON THE ASAD PARTY (AND WHOM ELSE ???).
              CONCLUSION: GETTING UP, SO GET EVERYTHING WHAT SHOULD BE ... (I ABOUT SU-24) ...

              Dear, read the rules of the site ... you don’t need to tear your throat so much, here people express their points of view ... if you have one, defend calmly, without straining.
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 28 November 2015 13: 24
                -1
                Quote: Rostovchanin
                Dear, read the rules of the site ... you don’t need to tear your throat so much, here people express their points of view ... if you have one, defend calmly, without straining.

                There is no rule in the site rules that you cannot write "without straining", i.e. write emotionally. Probably, they got used to Leonid Brezhnev's reports.
                1. Rostovchanin
                  Rostovchanin 28 November 2015 13: 40
                  +4
                  There is no rule in the site rules that you cannot write "without straining", i.e. write emotionally. Probably, they got used to Leonid Brezhnev's reports.

                  i) It is forbidden to write comments only in CAPITAL LETTERS (with Caps Lock turned on). It is forbidden to highlight all text in a comment in bold and in a color other than the default black — you can highlight only a small part of a comment with color.

                  So Leonid Ilyich has nothing to do with hi
                  1. dr. sem
                    dr. sem 28 November 2015 13: 58
                    -10 qualifying.
                    And it's not written in "capital letters alone," my dear. You don't know your rules well.
                    1. Rostovchanin
                      Rostovchanin 28 November 2015 14: 13
                      +3
                      And it's not written in "capital letters alone," my dear. You don't know your rules well.
                      It’s not worth overestimating the merchants.

                      Here you can! You look what the traders did with Ukraine! Namely TRADERS! The army was not needed at all! At the moment, they rule the world.
                  2. Aleksey_K
                    Aleksey_K 28 November 2015 20: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Rostovchanin
                    It is forbidden to write comments only in CAPITAL LETTERS (with Caps Lock turned on).

                    But the commentary is not written entirely in "CAPITAL LETTERS", there are also small ones:
                    "Stop raving!" .. the task to involve Russia ... "Are you brainless from geyropia, there is no logic ???
                    RF WILL ALREADY BE DRAWN AND WILL BE ONE MORE BETTER.
                    DE FACT - RF - THE PARTY OF THE CONFLICT ... AND TRY TO DISCUSS WHEN ALREADY FOR TWO MONTHS OUR VKS IS TAKEN BY ISLANDS ON THE ASAD PARTY (AND WHOM ELSE ???).
                    CONCLUSION: GET IN, SO GET EVERYTHING THAT IS POSITIONED ... (I'm talking about SU-24) ... "

                    Are you one of those who cannot read the rules?
                    And another question, if you are now poked with your nose into the rules and told you that you are wrong, then you roll me up again?
                    1. Rostovchanin
                      Rostovchanin 29 November 2015 08: 04
                      +1
                      Are you one of those who cannot read the rules?
                      And another question, if you are now poked with your nose into the rules and told you that you are wrong, then you roll me up again?

                      Well, if you think that out of 5 lines - 4 capsloc written this is not a violation of the rules, let's contact the site administration, let us discuss our dispute about the rules, we did not come up with them and we decide.
            2. dr. sem
              dr. sem 28 November 2015 15: 54
              -17 qualifying.
              As I understand it, minus those who believe that the air forces in Syria are scattering humanitarian aid.
            3. Starik72
              Starik72 28 November 2015 21: 20
              +1
              dr.sem. You should be careful when cornering, otherwise you’ll fly to the ditch! Although you look already in the ditch!
              1. dr. sem
                dr. sem 29 November 2015 14: 34
                0
                This is a discussion of problems, not an area for agitators and propagandists. I write what I have, but I DON'T CARE about the "epaulets". Let the Moders play ...
          4. There are a lot of us
            There are a lot of us 28 November 2015 15: 26
            +1
            Do you quote Churchill about the choice between war and shame?
          5. There are a lot of us
            There are a lot of us 28 November 2015 15: 29
            +3
            Russia from time immemorial has always been ready to respond with military actions, and only liberals now conjure: "Oh, no matter what happens, you have to sit and do nothing!"
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        3. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 28 November 2015 16: 49
          +2
          “In exchange for closing the border, Turkey expects to receive assistance in solving the refugee problem and support in creating a security zone in Syria”

          It is unlikely. Not so long ago, Turkey has already received 3,5 billion from the EU. And precisely for these purposes. There is no money anymore. But the problems have not been resolved. Right Ukrainian script.
        4. lis-ik
          lis-ik 28 November 2015 18: 18
          0
          Here is the reason for declaring a great war. As soon as the scum is not twisted, in order to drag us into the war, I don’t know if we are ready or not, rather than no. Yes, I’m afraid again, as in the forty-first, everything will be later, and I would like to see everyone die like in Soviet times on a poster .... I hate !!
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 28 November 2015 12: 27
        +2
        The Turk is being drawn into the war. They really want to drive Erdogan under the baseboard. At the same time, change the leadership to a more obedient one.
        1. ZU-23
          ZU-23 28 November 2015 12: 33
          +2
          Now we are waiting for the provocation of Turkey against Syria.
          1. cniza
            cniza 28 November 2015 12: 49
            +2
            Quote: ZU-23
            Now we are waiting for the provocation of Turkey against Syria.




            The main goal is Russia, but it seems to me that NATO will abandon the Turks and say, sort it out yourself and will not intervene. Russia's problems will be created, the goal is achieved.
            1. ZU-23
              ZU-23 28 November 2015 13: 04
              0
              Quote: cniza
              The main goal is Russia, but it seems to me that NATO will abandon the Turks and say, sort it out yourself and will not intervene. Russia's problems will be created, the goal is achieved.

              Russia has been and remains their goal all his life, but at this stage, Assad remains the target, because the igil who, according to their plans, was supposed to demolish Aasd, he practically won, naturally with our air help.
            2. APASUS
              APASUS 28 November 2015 13: 29
              +1
              Quote: cniza
              The main goal is Russia, but it seems to me that NATO will abandon the Turks and say, sort it out yourself and will not intervene. Russia's problems will be created, the goal is achieved

              Especially like the performance of the Americans, these are bees against honey, bankers against money and the type of Turks against stolen oil.
              Straight metamorphosis of modern politics?
        2. Temples
          Temples 28 November 2015 12: 34
          0
          The Turk is being drawn into the war. They really want to drive Erdogan under the baseboard. At the same time, change the leadership to a more obedient one.

          Where is more obedient?
          Erdogan is an excellent performer of someone else's will.
          Rag covered by the State Department.
          A man holds the word. And this one only speaks.
      3. Andrea
        Andrea 28 November 2015 12: 30
        0
        Quote: AlexTires

        The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syrian territory on a different pretext to create a demilitarized zone, which Kerry previously voiced and approved.
        Dear AlexTires.
        Kerry may or may not sound — until the UN approves, it will all be considered aggression.
        Everything will be something like this: Turkey will catch a damn bunch of troops there, but all are deaf and blind. laughing
        Well, like the OSCE, approximately.
        1. AlexTires
          AlexTires 28 November 2015 12: 37
          +3
          Quote: Andrea
          Dear AlexTires.
          Kerry may or may not sound — until the UN approves, all of this will be considered aggression.
          Everything will be something like this: Turkey will catch a damn bunch of troops there, but all are deaf and blind.
          Well, like the OSCE, approximately.

          With respect, I respect any adequate opinion and version of which is yours ( hi ), but I think that the UN opinion can simply be forgotten to ask, because they forgot to ask in 99 when they leveled Yugoslavia ... Moreover, the border territories are de facto prepared for the annexation by Turkey ...
          1. i80186
            i80186 28 November 2015 12: 45
            0
            Quote: AlexTires
            but I think that the opinion of the UN may just forget to ask

            You can forget - this is true, but they will immediately call the aggressor. Interestingly, Iran wants to invade Turkey legally, and even with the support of Russia?
        2. unsinkable
          unsinkable 28 November 2015 15: 31
          0
          Quote: Andrea
          - until the UN approves, all this will be considered aggression.

          When it was for the Americans to adhere to international agreements and rules. It is clear as daylight that they act only in their own interests, not looking at either the UN or the OSCE (Especially Useless Europe Specialists) and the Security Council. Moreover, many international organizations they have pocket ones.
      4. shalim
        shalim 28 November 2015 12: 49
        0
        fake, stsuki. but we see everything ...
      5. SAXA.SHURA
        SAXA.SHURA 28 November 2015 13: 11
        +1
        He will eat, but who will give him.
      6. yuriy55
        yuriy55 28 November 2015 13: 13
        0
        Quote: AlexTires
        The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syrian territory on a different pretext to create a demilitarized zone, which Kerry previously voiced and approved.


        Demilitarized? and, perhaps, as "cannon fodder" ...
      7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 November 2015 13: 20
        +1
        Quote: AlexTires
        The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syrian territory on a different pretext to create a demilitarized zone

        Straight off the tongue hi
      8. His
        His 28 November 2015 14: 15
        +1
        Under the "fortification" will be the pulling together of Ankara's troops to the border and most likely as the first stage of the ground operation to capture Syria.
      9. ogr2008
        ogr2008 29 November 2015 01: 41
        0
        The news has already written that the Syrian forces were fired from Turkey ... Question-What did NATO in the person of Turkey conceive ??????????
      10. dali
        dali 29 November 2015 02: 27
        0
        Quote: AlexTires
        US gives Turks an official occasion ...
        Plus, so that not a single witness remains, how they help the IGilovites and others like them ... because they say that few of you can’t cope with mopping-up operations, they will find out everything.
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 28 November 2015 12: 24
      +9
      Quote: venaya
      also prevent militants from entering Turkey

      This is interesting, if they started to fight, then let them fight? Nice thing.
      "Washington “does not support the creation of a full-fledged security zone on the Syrian side of the border, as it fears the US will be further drawn into the conflict”"- and yourself in the bushes, they say, fight yourself.

      Of course they are afraid, they want to drag Russia into the war to the fullest with Turkish hands, which is happening now.
    3. Fregate
      Fregate 28 November 2015 12: 24
      0
      This is what they say so, which does not mean that they want this.
    4. Lepila
      Lepila 28 November 2015 12: 27
      -6
      Rather, they would have already realized in the States that Turkey is the economic and ideological ally of ISIS. And Russia will someday realize that Iran is a Shiite version of Turkey and ISIS, and nuclear Iran is clearly not in Russian interests
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 28 November 2015 12: 32
        10
        So far, Iran is behaving more adequately than Turkey. Iran does not provide assistance to terrorists, but takes an active part in their destruction. If Israel is Iran, as a sickle in one place, then this is your problem. Are you too worried about Russia? And at the opportunity, also spoil our country.
        1. jjj
          jjj 28 November 2015 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: rotmistr60
          While Iran behaves more adequately

          Iran will have elections soon, it is also restless there today. And external forces are trying to stir up another "Maidan"
        2. Lepila
          Lepila 28 November 2015 15: 16
          -4
          Iran Doesn't Help Terrorists? But what about helping Hezbollah? But what about the destruction of the community center and the Israeli embassy in Aroentin? But what about the attempt to destroy the Saudi embassy in the United States? There is no "good" or "bad" terror. Destroying ISIS, we must not forget about its Shiite twins Iran and Hezbollah
          1. dr. sem
            dr. sem 28 November 2015 18: 11
            +1
            But Hamaz, did the Israeli secret services blind?
      2. atalef
        atalef 28 November 2015 12: 33
        +2
        Quote: Lepila
        Rather, they would have already realized in the States that Turkey is the economic and ideological ally of ISIS. And Russia will someday realize that Iran is a Shiite version of Turkey and ISIS, and nuclear Iran is clearly not in Russian interests

        Yes, everyone has long understood this, they can’t do anything.
        Erdogan holds the same Europe for eggs - tomorrow he will open the borders and a couple of million more refugees will rush to Europe.
        Europe needs to build a fence on the border with Turkey and shoot boats - then Erdogan will quickly press its tail.
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 28 November 2015 12: 52
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          shoot boats

          what
          Article 280. Public calls for extremist activity

          [Criminal Code of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 29] [Article 280]
          1. Public calls for extremist activity -

          shall be punished by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the convict's wages or other income for a period of one year to two years, or by forced labor for a term of up to three years, or by arrest for a term of four to six months, or by deprivation freedom for up to four years with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for the same period.

          2. The same acts committed using the media or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet,

          shall be punishable by forced labor for a term of up to five years, with or without deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions for a period of up to three years, or deprivation of liberty for a term of up to five years, with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years.
          They left for you. bully
          Hi extremist drinks
      3. Darkoff
        Darkoff 28 November 2015 12: 49
        +7
        Israel again translates the topic into Iran. Offer Iran cooperation in the fight against IS and become friends. You have to unite against the Saudis, Qatars and Turks.
      4. Andrea
        Andrea 28 November 2015 12: 57
        +1
        Quote: Lepila

        Rather, they would have already realized in the States that Turkey is the economic and ideological ally of ISIS. And Russia will someday realize that Iran is a Shiite version of Turkey and ISIS, and nuclear Iran is clearly not in Russian interests
        We are all options. Everything in the world has already happened.
        As they say, history develops in a spiral-dialectic, gentlemen, the law of philosophy.
        Thinking, counting, anticipating.
        With the Turks screwed up, forgot the story, but in vain.
        That the Turks, that Iran, that Egypt, and Syria too ... you can never relax here, you can never trust anyone to the end.
        East damn it!
      5. Weyland
        Weyland 28 November 2015 13: 10
        +5
        Quote: Lepila
        nuclear Iran is clearly not in Russian interests


        Does anyone else think differently in Russia? wink We him defensive We deliver weapons - and not nuclear weapons delivery vehicles.

        By the way, Pakistan has nuclear weapons for a long time, there are no terrorists, three times as many people as in Iran - this is where the danger is!
        1. Lepila
          Lepila 28 November 2015 15: 18
          -1
          It goes without saying. But nuclear Iran is even more dangerous. Pakistan at least does not deny the right of other countries to join and is not engaged in "exporting the Islamic revolution"
          1. dr. sem
            dr. sem 28 November 2015 18: 06
            +1
            My dear, what Iran has already used vigorous weapons against someone? The only monster country was on August 6 and 9, ra.h.ery.a.chila Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is the SGA.
            And, that YOU are afraid of Iran is your personal attitude ... Israel has spoiled the Arab-Persian world so much that there are enough reasons to be afraid ...
      6. dr. sem
        dr. sem 28 November 2015 13: 30
        0
        SGAshniki have long realized everything ... So they are acting ...
      7. Altona
        Altona 28 November 2015 13: 47
        0
        Quote: Lepila
        Rather, they would have already realized in the States that Turkey is the economic and ideological ally of ISIS. And Russia will someday realize that Iran is a Shiite version of Turkey and ISIS, and nuclear Iran is clearly not in Russian interests

        --------------------------
        In the States they know everything, but they use information selectively and also do not voice what they really know, refer to newspapers and social networks ...
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 28 November 2015 12: 43
      +1
      According to an unnamed source in the Obama administration, "the border should be closed, it is an international threat, it comes from Syria and passes through Turkey."

      It turns out that the States want to drag official Turkish troops against Assad,
      since the militants began to drive in Syria and there is no hope for them anymore.
      1. Imperial
        Imperial 28 November 2015 12: 49
        +8
        With courage. Colonel GAB (State Aviation Security is part of the structure of aviation intelligence CAA)
        One of the participants in the operation to rescue the navigator of the Su-24. He lost his hand in the battles with terrorists a long time ago. He was awarded the medal of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Another comrade was awarded,
        and more
        1. Imperial
          Imperial 28 November 2015 13: 01
          +6
          And from there too. Here are the first photos from the operation to free our pilots. Syrian specialists showed the Turkomans stuffed with them.
          1. Imperial
            Imperial 28 November 2015 13: 05
            10
            And from there, the Syrians, Iranians and Hezbollah should say thanks. avenged the guys.
          2. Lepila
            Lepila 28 November 2015 15: 20
            +8
            What a wild, disgusting custom it was to take pictures with corpses ... I used to see the Arab blind men in the army, for some reason I didn’t even think about taking pictures with them ...
            1. Imperial
              Imperial 28 November 2015 15: 33
              +1
              Customs as faith are not discussed.
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            3. Russiamoy
              Russiamoy 28 November 2015 17: 57
              +1
              Germans are lovers, especially with shot children and women.
              ps only this is not in defense of these, just (personal) related to WWII was remembered
              1. nemec55
                nemec55 28 November 2015 19: 07
                0
                Germans are lovers, especially with shot children and women.
                ps only this is not in defense of these, just (personal) related to WWII was remembered

                I AM GERMAN AND ANCESTORS UNTIL 10 THE KNEE OF GERMANS AND NEVER PICTURED WITH SHOT. KEYN ASH SPATS
                1. w3554152
                  w3554152 28 November 2015 20: 03
                  0
                  Quote: nemec55
                  I AM GERMAN AND ANCESTORS UNTIL 10 THE KNEE OF GERMANS AND NEVER PICTURED WITH SHOT. KEYN ASH SPATS


                  Because you are a Russian German. It was about Hitler's Germany, and not about you personally.
            4. Weyland
              Weyland 1 December 2015 21: 16
              0
              Quote: Lepila
              How wild is the disgusting custom of taking pictures with corpses


              Are you talking about American pictures in Afghanistan, with the dead Taliban? So compared to reporting on corpses with the help of cut off ears, as they did in Vietnam - this is significant moral progress!
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 28 November 2015 13: 08
      +1
      There is a danger that, under the guise of an operation to strengthen borders, NATO will concentrate equipment to attack our base.
      1. Imperial
        Imperial 28 November 2015 13: 28
        +4
        And what did they concentrate, 20 tanks? what would they need at least 2 divisions to get to our base (moreover, no one will be sentenced to death, not only will they get into the bag) And who knows how many there are ours, I don’t personally trust the TV set. Take at least our 90 ki in Aleppo, whose crews ??? khe, khe, but in general IT WILL FORGET! And for 10 days, as the Moscow Defense Ministry writes, re-profile from 72 to 90 ........
        1. jjj
          jjj 28 November 2015 14: 14
          +2
          Quote: Imperial
          Yes, and who knows how many ours

          Ts-s-s
          1. Imperial
            Imperial 28 November 2015 14: 44
            +1
            And Thu Shh, it's Shh for internal use. Everyone cares, we can enter at least a hundred thousand contingents And no one will blather, just the PPR is worried about us, they say we (the philistine) will not survive the losses, it’s difficult, but we can handle it. My son, an artilleryman from Kaliningrad (coastal artillery), asked, but where there, it’s like a lottery, the guys’s spirit is high, as in the good old days, they threw up his bosses with reports.
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 28 November 2015 13: 11
      +1
      This is because only terrorists are said, but nothing is said about oil. Like, let it flow.
    8. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 28 November 2015 13: 20
      0
      Quote: venaya
      also prevent militants from entering Turkey

      This is interesting, if they started to fight, then let them fight? Nice thing.
      "Washington “does not support the creation of a full-fledged security zone on the Syrian side of the border, as it fears the US will be further drawn into the conflict”"- and yourself in the bushes, they say, fight on your own.

      You are not right. Read the reader of "AlexTires": "The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syria under another pretext to create a demilitarized zone, which was previously voiced and approved by Kerry."
      1. venaya
        venaya 28 November 2015 13: 39
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        "The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syria under another pretext

        Pay attention to what you wrote: the US is pushing the Turkish troops, that is, themselves, and the troops of its satellite are pushing. Do you understand now? And then the matter of technology, the demilitarized zone is again provided not by American, but Turkish troops. Again with the help of others they provide their interests. Further: I write that ISIS fighters do not get the opportunity to return to Turkey. Again, the Yankees are waging war by the wrong hands and do not allow ISIS sheep to abandon the war to their mercenaries. In all cases, the Americans are fighting with the wrong hands, which I am writing about, not contradicting the note that you cite. So you just did not delve into my text (it does not contradict your supplement in any way), or I didn’t understand it personally enough for you.
    9. ser-pov
      ser-pov 28 November 2015 22: 54
      0
      Funny ... Bees versus honey ...
  2. AlexTires
    AlexTires 28 November 2015 12: 20
    +8
    Place additional troops along the border - there is no need to close this very border! And even more so, this does not mean Turkey’s struggle with ISIS!
    Under a good pretext, following the call of France to close the border, the United States is playing its own card and trying to draw the Turkish ground forces into an even greater conflict with the armed forces of the Russian Federation and Syria.
  3. avvg
    avvg 28 November 2015 12: 22
    +1
    Washington is undoubtedly not in deed, but in words demands, close the border for the IS militants.
  4. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 28 November 2015 12: 23
    +1
    And flies from the language:
    to fully cover the militants, about 30 thousand troops are needed
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 November 2015 12: 23
    +3
    Not politics, but oriental bazaar. I just want northern Syria, and that's it. It doesn't matter what they call it - a buffer zone, or a security zone, but what if a no-fly zone is allowed? That will be razulyaevo! The mattress is insured. She realizes that she is already "beyond the bounds", and the Turks are on the rampage, headlong.
    We are waiting for new provocations from the Janissaries.
  6. pts-m
    pts-m 28 November 2015 12: 25
    +2
    the Yankees have previously recommended building up a barrier near the borders of furtia because of fear that the Syrian army will continue to clear its territory from Iblises.
  7. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 28 November 2015 12: 29
    0
    Along the way, the bearded have their own path along which they move and even ride on oil tankers. The military may simply not see these paths.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 29 November 2015 15: 07
      0
      "The military may simply not see these paths." !!!!!!!!
      What did they give you the "general" for? (rhetorical)
      What, the Turks on their territory are no longer masters, have they got their eyes out, they don’t have special equipment?
      They all SEE.
  8. hydrox
    hydrox 28 November 2015 12: 29
    +1
    On this 100-km stretch of the border from the Syrian and Turkish sides, the Kurdish patrimonial lands are located, and the DAISH will now retreat there and the Kurds, even if we agree on autonomy, they will let DAISH pass into Turkey without entering into clashes with the Kurds, and Daesh will not be delayed in Kurdish territories. What is there on the Turkish side that the Turks will do with the ISIS, we are not concerned ...
  9. Benya krik
    Benya krik 28 November 2015 12: 31
    0
    It’s just that the Americans are well aware that it can be too hot on the Syrian border. Our airborne forces and air defense systems are not for nothing sent there. It seems to me that our command will use the slightest excuse to pay for the downed plane. Yes, and the so-called security zone, it painfully looks like a buffer zone, which Turkey so dreamed about and the Americans understand that Russia is unlikely to allow this.
  10. Pak_c_TonopoM
    Pak_c_TonopoM 28 November 2015 12: 33
    +3
    It sounds something like this: our aches, cover their flight)))
  11. gendir.grifon
    gendir.grifon 28 November 2015 12: 33
    +1
    The North American United States is the main generator of evil and lawlessness around the world, whose goal is power and loot. And Turkey is just a litter, fulfilling the orders of the owner.
  12. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 28 November 2015 12: 35
    +4
    We need to fully support the concerns of the United States and provide Syria with engineering armored vehicles to strengthen the border. At least for the entire length of the thorn in three rows and the anti-jeep moat for the entire length - anti-tank nonsense - but so that jeeps and trucks do not snoop it. a good hundred meters for the entire length. BMP, armored personnel carriers, Tigers and UAZ with a tented top for border guards. UAVs, MI 24 and several GRAD batteries to cover the bursting is not important with armor or not groups. And several BUK divisions or similar to the whole Armor for covering the sky.
    And all this good, including the Kurds.
    And immediately the border will become locked and two sides.
    Well done in the USA - they suggested a good thing, it must be warmly supported, but in its own way !!!!!
  13. Gani
    Gani 28 November 2015 12: 35
    0
    sorry, I repeat:
    Gani RU Today, 11:19 | American table under Turkish face
    shalim (1) SU Today, 10:33 ↑ New
    not so bad -
    "US officials say an additional contingent on the Turkish border, which will include infantry and artillery, could be the most effective way to block key transit routes that IS militants rely on in Syria, as well as cut off the flow of foreign fighters to Europe."
    the third world states are also not needed. maybe they are simply not ready for it? in the sense of strength is not enough for an unconditional victory ... what do you think?
    _____... Well, from these words it seems - they say to Erdogan: well done, continue escalating, pull troops to the border - they can come in handy, we will prepare for new provocations, for example, you’ll go to protect your loved ones from the vile IS Turkoman and organize a buffer zone.
    _____ And they are already leading the Third World in alliance with half the world and against the whole world! Now the main goal of the states is the Russian Federation, the task is to plunge it into chaos around and achieve chaos and collapse inside it. Turkey is a bargaining chip, in the states many will be happy if Turkey falls apart, especially with the help of the Russian Federation and there a fire will flare up from which it will be hot for us, it is advisable for them to burn Karabakh and set Central Asia on fire -
    take Russia into a ring of fire of chaos. The states are now 100% energy-independent, if the Middle East burns down and the Russian Federation has problems - the price of oil will soar into space and neither Europe nor China can even dream of competing with the USA. And what if the standard of living would not sink much - they would rob Europe and warm up by the fire of the war in the BV and Eastern Europe, otherwise the drop in GDP and living standards that the inflated military-industrial complex will not be able to compensate for with concentration camps for their disaffected - not the first time, but they can again for many years preserve the status of the undisputed world hegemon, which can do whatever the "world elite" sees fit on the planet
  14. Lelek
    Lelek 28 November 2015 12: 35
    +1
    (Washington requires Ankara to strengthen the Syrian border.)

    In both, "REQUIRES" and no less.
    And how is it projected to do this? Wrap with barbed wire, build a 6-meter wall? Let consult with Yaytsenyukha, he is a great dock in this matter. bully
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 28 November 2015 12: 35
    0
    Quote: avvg
    In words requires.

    Let it be in words, but it plays into our hands. The Russians and Syrians do not need this Turkish border for nothing. But closing the border is an obstacle for all Turkomans, "gray wolves" and ISIS with stolen oil. Let them block it, and we'll see! anti-tank ditch and several rows of thorns! hi
  16. theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 28 November 2015 12: 37
    +4
    "... and also to prevent the transfer of militants to Turkey ..."

    Are they completely brutal? And where will the terrorists be treated and rest? Or will they be delivered directly to Amer’s hospitals? Hardly.
    Washington by this demand makes clear that everything must be executed exactly the opposite.
  17. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 28 November 2015 12: 39
    +4
    The Americans desperately want to unleash a full-scale war on the border with Syria and Turkey (by the hands of Turkish d.a.d.n.v.), because the US arms factories are bursting with unnecessary weapons (like the rest of America) and their owners want to quickly and sell your goods more and earn millions and billions on human blood, as in 41-45. The first American air-to-air missile has already been deployed.
  18. kirpich
    kirpich 28 November 2015 12: 40
    0
    Yes, no problems, strengthen. S-400 complexes are already standing !!!
    Fly in a Turkish plane ..... just do not be offended.
  19. DMB3000
    DMB3000 28 November 2015 12: 41
    0
    I don’t believe these jackals
  20. lukke
    lukke 28 November 2015 12: 45
    +2
    Washington insists on increasing the number of Turkish troops on a 100-kilometer border with Syria to
    Are we already considered as outright rams? the border with Syria was controlled, controlled by the Turks 100% (where there are no Kurds)! and all "humanitarian" convoys go within the framework of this "control" and according to its schedule in both directions! Strengthening the army grouping (giving this action the desired legend) is a step for its possible use in the future, incl. and in Syria as part of US-sponsored coalition operations. So we are waiting for another provocation from Erdoganchik sent with instructions from the United States. Since we are economically responding to the killing of our pilots, they will continue to shoot us down in the air or now on the ground. And to help the Turks, the states will now plant firewood in the Donbass.
  21. SAM 5
    SAM 5 28 November 2015 12: 48
    +3
    Washington demands Ankara to strengthen Syrian border

    The subtext of this statement is not at all concern for the fight against terrorists. And to strengthen control over the Kurds, the ability to conflict with Syria, and to keep Russians in tense, IMHO.
  22. Prince Bulls
    Prince Bulls 28 November 2015 12: 54
    +2
    what's the point of blocking the border with people who are actively helping ISIS what
  23. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 28 November 2015 12: 55
    +2
    troops invade Syria or what?
  24. Hiw
    Hiw 28 November 2015 12: 59
    +2
    no fuckin 'already cunning political moves to stir up ours, just directly warn the herdogag that ... if anything, the special services will let his whole family and relatives go into the expense, you just need to "interest" him personally, so to speak, to make an offer that he cannot refuse, and by the way, does he have a favorite horse?


    P.S. you must think in advance what can be opposed to the Turks in the event of aggression, and let them know in advance what they are at risk, for example, a division of Iskander transported with tactical nuclear charges and say that we will let them into the territory of the Syrian border with Turkey as soon as they cross it
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2015 13: 24
      0
      ... the division of the Iskander ship with tactical nuclear weapons ...


      I repeat, but
      a vacuum bomb is much safer, in terms of radiation effects. And in power right after this, as her ... nuclear ... repeat
  25. Alfizik
    Alfizik 28 November 2015 13: 00
    +1
    The increase in the number of military personnel at the border is not to prevent the penetration of ISIS and refugees, but for a military confrontation with Russia and Syria. A full-scale war is coming, in which we have to specifically take the side of Syria and bomb not only the militants, but also the "rescuing Turkmans" of the Turks. And the Americans, as always, will sit at the monitors and rub their hands. Lord, would rather their "volcano"! To get busy ...
  26. horoh
    horoh 28 November 2015 13: 02
    -3
    Well complete ...
  27. Zheka40
    Zheka40 28 November 2015 13: 10
    +2
    The war will and will come from Turkey, and we usually end the war, but the path will be long and bloody.
  28. sa-zz
    sa-zz 28 November 2015 13: 18
    +2
    They (mattress covers) have brought to the point that even seemingly good intentions are perceived as another deception. And what is disgusting, so it turns out later. How do they generally believe in the world - after all, they correctly say "How many do not repeat" halva-halva "in your mouth will not become sweeter."
  29. yuriy55
    yuriy55 28 November 2015 13: 19
    0
    Quote: Lepila
    Rather, they would have realized in the States that Turkey is an economic and ideological ally of ISIS. And Russia will someday realize that Iran is a Shiite version of Turkey and ISIS, and nuclear Iran is clearly not in Russian interests


    Something often we began to come up with epithets for those whose name: scum, scum, bandits, buyers of stolen goods, ghouls, corrupt creatures, Judas, parasites ...
    1. MATROSKIN-53
      MATROSKIN-53 28 November 2015 13: 54
      +1
      And they already blocked me for these correct and direct expressions and sent warnings from administrators three times. So the freedom of speech here is also quite peculiar ...
      1. dr. sem
        dr. sem 28 November 2015 17: 59
        0
        Very peculiar ... Urya.pots. Rio.tic ...
  30. Hiw
    Hiw 28 November 2015 13: 25
    +1
    what the Americans hope is not clear at all, well, suppose that having got involved in the war we will collapse again economically, pi..n..do..sy with the help of any manipulations will provoke a split in the country as in the 90s, then they will send their troops into our territory , and where will you go Russian, ??? for example, I’ll either die or shoot them in my Siberia, the Russians are not the people who are humble, but we are patient, but we’ll sway hard, but then everything’s Khan, then the country of the Susanins, we will die, but you’ll drown the ideological killers in the swamp
    1. MATROSKIN-53
      MATROSKIN-53 28 November 2015 13: 51
      +1
      While we burn with freedom. While hearts are alive for honor. My friend, We will devote our souls to wonderful homeland impulses! HIW, fully subscribe to your statements ...
    2. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 28 November 2015 15: 36
      0
      The Americans are not at all capable of fighting. The split can only arise from our own dope.
  31. cormorant
    cormorant 28 November 2015 13: 27
    +2
    Then it’s not a fact that Russia will only hit the border. The airfields from which their flyers take off will need to be carried out first. Then everything will be for real ... In general, in such cases, you need to beat first. In any case, we owe a return and we don’t know where and how we will answer.
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 28 November 2015 15: 33
      0
      Yes, performances, such as American, should not be arranged
  32. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 28 November 2015 13: 47
    +2
    If a fight (war with Turkey) is inevitable, then you need to beat first ?! How much can you forgive and constantly stand in the pose of making excuses?! ..
  33. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 November 2015 14: 09
    0
    If Turkistadors are accomplices of terrorists, then where is the guarantee that the border will be locked, at least one hundred thousand will be placed there! Moreover, the Americans will begin to help pass caravans. If they did not have faith, then it will not appear!
  34. m-arsenich
    m-arsenich 28 November 2015 14: 11
    +1
    ... because it is said: if a fight is inevitable, you must hit first. Immediately, guaranteed, in the first seconds, without any "ESCALATIONS" there. And then they got used to, you know, "SHOW", adrenaline and other Western garbage. The best of drugs is a complete bummer, the effect is sheer mimicry and mooing (this is when there are no words).
    1. There are a lot of us
      There are a lot of us 28 November 2015 15: 32
      +1
      So far, we have one reflection instead of an answer ...
  35. da Vinci
    da Vinci 28 November 2015 14: 34
    +1
    The main goal of the deployment of Turkish troops on the border is the threat (or possibility) of invasion of Syrian territory. smile
  36. da Vinci
    da Vinci 28 November 2015 14: 37
    +1
    For some reason, there was still no information from Syria "Assad called the Turkish Air Force attack on a Russian plane an act of aggression" or "Assad asked Putin to cover a section of the Turkish-Syrian border with air defense means" Or maybe I just missed it somewhere? what
  37. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 28 November 2015 15: 21
    +1
    If the Turks enter Syria there will be a war! If the Turks block the straits there will be war! Russia will not allow to make any of the second option, Russia will not tolerate and in the west they know about it. And they also know that we can launch a nuclear attack on Turkey and seize the straits.
  38. shura7782
    shura7782 28 November 2015 15: 26
    0
    I think this is only a half measure. If there is a war going on in a neighboring state, then the Ganitsa has long been strengthened. It `s naturally. The question is how well it is closed from the free passage of militants. I think that there is a visa-free regime for them. All the same, we must proceed from the fact that for the Americans - the Syrian army is a sworn enemy, and ISIS is its brainchild. All subsequent steps are predictable. The biggest war will begin when the last shot is fired in Syria. It is very important not to lose Syria at this moment. There are many hunters. All the moderate are then obvious bosom enemies. Very strange, England is not heard. Skillful schemers in the area - push their enemies with their noses.
  39. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 28 November 2015 15: 27
    0
    yeah and they will let militants to their money or for oil
  40. Rossmk
    Rossmk 28 November 2015 15: 43
    +1
    Be that as it may, NATO will not fully harness for the Turks. Assistance in reconnaissance, mercenaries, arms supplies are all yes, but no one wants to plant nuclear mushrooms because of Perdogan’s ambitions. In addition, Russia can destroy the base of the Turks and without the use of nuclear weapons. Iskander in the Crimea, Abkhazia, calibers in the Caspian, etc. The main thing, if something happens, is to decisively cover Turkey, gain a foothold in the straits, give the Kurds the go-ahead to raise the national liberation movement, and they will already smash Turkey from the inside.
  41. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 28 November 2015 15: 54
    +1
    Quote: RossMK
    Be that as it may, NATO will not fully harness for the Turks. Assistance in reconnaissance, mercenaries, arms supplies are all yes, but no one wants to plant nuclear mushrooms because of Perdogan’s ambitions. In addition, Russia can destroy the base of the Turks and without the use of nuclear weapons. Iskander in the Crimea, Abkhazia, calibers in the Caspian, etc. The main thing, if something happens, is to decisively cover Turkey, gain a foothold in the straits, give the Kurds the go-ahead to raise the national liberation movement, and they will already smash Turkey from the inside.


    Everything is clear with Recep Khotabych’s ambitions, but if the war, then the infrastructure of the Turks should be destroyed immediately, you can’t let Turkey or Europe or other states come to their senses. Think, if we don’t hit (enough operational-tactical missiles) there will be a big priest.
  42. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 28 November 2015 16: 47
    +1
    Washington’s calls for strengthening the border are nothing more than another attempt to secure the northern part of Syria for Turkey to further support the terrorist activities of ISIS.
    This goal is covered by a flood of verbiage on the topic of the fight against ISIS.
    Blocking the border with Turkey by Syrian forces is one of the key points in the fight against terrorism.
    I repeat, there is no Syrian opposition movement in Syria, but there are groupings of bandits trained, sponsored, and transported by other countries in order to destroy the state. Support for all terrorist groups comes mainly through Turkey.
  43. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 28 November 2015 17: 11
    +1
    when the Americans propose to strengthen and strengthen something there, then immediately you begin to wait for the situation to worsen.
  44. Barakuda
    Barakuda 28 November 2015 17: 40
    +2
    Turkish border with Syria, igil - peace, wabble, chewing gum. Who knows Turkish? can translate?
  45. biron
    biron 28 November 2015 18: 03
    0
    Quote: cniza
    Quote: bulvas
    Quote: AlexTires
    The United States gives the Turks an official reason to push the military to the border, who are likely to enter Syrian territory on a different pretext to create a demilitarized zone, which Kerry previously voiced and approved.



    Right.

    Then there will be a reason - "violation of the border", "shelling of Turkish territory", etc.



    And there, even before the full-scale war, one step and the main task is to draw Russia in.

    It is NOT necessary only to reset the riches of Russia
  46. kirpich
    kirpich 28 November 2015 19: 34
    0
    Guys, Well, let’s do it, although I’ll miss a little repeat Well, so that the Turks feel (feel) what "RUSSIAN OFFENSE" is angry
  47. Barakuda
    Barakuda 28 November 2015 22: 09
    -2
    Quote: biron
    It is NOT necessary only to reset the riches of Russia

    Who knows how, I'll give him an engineering calculator .. and a ruler - a logarithmic puzzle. wink
  48. Titsen
    Titsen 28 November 2015 22: 38
    0
    The opposition is already panicking - here is an excerpt from an article in "Echo of Moscow" by Pavel Felgenhauer: "How to get the" Turkish knife "out of the back?":

    "...
    We have only two fighter units (Su-30SM and Su-27SM3) at the Khmeimim base, four each. To transfer additional significant forces, having only one equipped base, is difficult, and it is dangerous to create too much concentration of forces in one weak point. The Turks: 179 F-16C (single cars) and 57 F-16D (double) - all advanced modifications. By the way, they themselves produce the F-16 under license. The Turks have a powerful network of modern air bases and the pilots are well prepared: they crept up and shot down the Su-24M with an AIM-9 Sidewinder melee missile so that neither the crew nor the airspace control service noticed anything and could not understand for a long time what actually happened .
    The Turkish fleet is many times quantitatively and qualitatively superior to the Russian group in the Mediterranean and the Black Seas. To deal with the Russian forces in the event of a large-scale regional conflict, the Turks, in principle, do not need the United States and other NATO - they themselves can cope, even with losses. The S-400 Triumph, of course, is a powerful and modern system, but it needs strategic depth, and now it has been deployed without serious ground cover, very close to the front. Turkish tanks, if they enter Syria and advance with the support of the opposition, can break through to the Khmeimim base in a couple of hours and take the S-400 system as a trophy.

    Of course, Russia is a nuclear power, but the Turks near the Syrian border at the Incirlik base stockpiled up to 40 B1 nuclear bombs of a double key from the United States, just in case of war with the Russian Federation.
    ... "

    My hands also itch like everyone else to take revenge, but the Ottomans are real scumbags!

    I hope for our GOU and GRU!
  49. 31rus
    31rus 29 November 2015 00: 37
    0
    Dear, how did you plan everything! The Turks will not go to war, this is unambiguous, because there are no allies, neither in NATO, nor in the United States, but constant provocations and saber rattling will be, which will certainly force (have already forced) Russia to strengthen both air and sea and the most important ground grouping. Russia will again fall into the "trap" when the United States, with its Turkish hands, will keep both us and the Turks in tension on the brink of conflict, and they do not need more at this stage, distracting both Russia and Turkey from their affairs. that the "game" for Syria is clearly not in favor of the United States, we went by clashing the interests of the parties, I think this is just the beginning, next in turn is Iran or a more serious confrontation with Russia by the hands of Turkey
  50. TTX
    TTX 29 November 2015 06: 02
    0
    They will catch up on artillery and will fire at the ATS, providing a terarch with fire until the first response; that’s the reason to invade