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Erdogan said that the possible use of the C-400 air defense system against Turkish military aircraft would be perceived as an act of aggression against Turkey

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Turkish President Erdogan made another statement for the Western media. This time, the Turkish president gave his comments on the latest events to the American television channel CNN. The main subject is the deployment by Russia at the Hmeimim airbase in Syria S-400 Triumph air defense missile system. The TV presenter asked Erdogan how he can comment on bringing the Russian anti-aircraft missile system in Syria into full combat readiness and, in his opinion, is it possible for Russia to attack the Turkish Air Force?


Erdogan said that the possible use of the C-400 air defense system against Turkish military aircraft would be perceived as an act of aggression against Turkey


Erdogan said that he considered the strike likely, while adding that such a blow would be viewed by Turkey as an "act of aggression against its independence." After that, Erdogan clarified the reaction of Turkey, if the plane of the Turkish Air Force would be hypothetically shot down in Syrian airspace. According to Erdogan, regardless of where the Turkish aircraft will be shot down, this will be regarded as an act of aggression against Turkey.

Interesting, however, the logic ... It turns out that, according to Erdogan, Russia should not consider a strike on a Russian plane that operated over the territory of Syria as a Turkish aggression against the Russian Federation, but Turkey would in any case be perceived as aggression ...

Today, the Turkish newspaper the site www.hurriyet.com.tr writes that the authorities decided to suspend the flights of Turkish military aircraft in Syrian airspace. Recall that earlier the official representative of the Syrian authorities noted that any intrusion into the airspace of the country outside the coalition with Russia or without the consent of the official Damascus would be perceived as an aggressive act against Syrian sovereignty. Without the presence of the Russian C-400 complex in Latakia, Ankara had little effect on these words ...
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  1. izya top
    izya top 27 November 2015 12: 57 New
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    Erdogan said that he considers a strike likely, while adding that such a strike will be considered by Turkey as an "act of aggression against its independence."
    and WHAT ?!
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      1. vadson
        vadson 27 November 2015 13: 09 New
        67
        My opinion is that until Russian citizens return home from the resorts they will not be touched, further on the situation
        1. ANTI.KORR.
          ANTI.KORR. 27 November 2015 13: 21 New
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          This dummy already suggests that the Turkish air force will continue to violate the grace of neighboring states.
          Now it’s not a ride, sit quietly like mice, but it’s better for a year to completely ban your air force from doing it, otherwise you can shoot down everything that moves!
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 27 November 2015 13: 26 New
            32
            May have no doubt. If the destruction of the aircraft that violated the truck of Syria - there is aggression. That such "aggression" will certainly take place. The Turks are indebted to two human lives, Russia has a decisive President and the people follow him ....
            ... ..and weapons, Nuclear Weapons.

            PS
            Turkey is a regionally very powerful state, and the physical (technical) efforts of conventional armed forces are not realistic. This is primarily due to geographical.
            But Russia is a nuclear power (Thank God). In addition, the arsenal also has a vacuum gun (high-pressure thermobaric bomb).

            If Erdogan has margarine in his head, woe to his people.
            1. Lexa-149
              Lexa-149 27 November 2015 13: 49 New
              +4
              For one beaten, two not beaten are given.
              1. Alexey Boukin
                Alexey Boukin 27 November 2015 13: 58 New
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                Quote: Lexa-149
                For one beaten, two not beaten are given.

                Our government should sit down, think over and write a "letter to the Turkish Sultan" of such content that such thoughts would not even enter his head. It looks like the Turkish ruling elite has only one bark left from the brains ...
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 27 November 2015 14: 03 New
                  +5
                  vadson (xnumx)
                  My opinion is until Russian citizens return home from the resorts they will not be touchedfurther on the situation

                  Reasonable! Only return Russian citizens from resorts as soon as possible!
                  And then the cynical and bloodthirsty Erdogan will have enough "intelligence" under a far-fetched pretext to take them hostage - to blackmail Russia!
                  1. kergudu straight
                    kergudu straight 27 November 2015 14: 20 New
                    +5
                    There is a small BUT, do not forget about the Turkish workers at Russian construction sites
                  2. 16112014nk
                    16112014nk 27 November 2015 15: 35 New
                    +2
                    The Federal Tourism Agency reported that all Russian tourists will leave Turkey by December 7th. You have to wait a long time.
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 27 November 2015 17: 33 New
                      +1
                      Quote: 16112014nk
                      all Russian tourists will leave Turkey by December 7

                      Nifiga: "the bulk" should return by December 7th, AND EVERYTHING - BEFORE the 26th!
                      Are there really pridu.rki who will sit all the way ??? belay
                2. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 27 November 2015 19: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexey Bukin
                  It seems that the Turkish ruling elite left one brain from the brains ...

                  You are wrong - it’s just the cortex that responds like a roase for higher nervous activity, they don’t have any left — only the brain stem, which is responsible for the basic instincts, because what they create and state testifies to the complete absence of analytical and any other thinking of them ...
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            4. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 27 November 2015 13: 52 New
              +5
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              and physical (technical) efforts of ordinary armed forces is not realistic to fight. This is primarily due to geographical.

              I didn’t understand a damn ... request I realized that physics is a problem, and geography ...
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 27 November 2015 14: 00 New
                +7
                Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                I didn’t understand a damn ...

                It seems to me that our president is up to something and Erdogan needs to be more careful in his speeches:
                "Measures to prevent information leaks have been strengthened at Putin's residence

                MOSCOW, November 27. / TASS /. At the residence of the head of state in Novo-Ogaryov, measures to prevent information leaks were strengthened.

                This was confirmed by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.
                "Measures are being taken to ensure secrecy, to prevent unwanted leaks of information," he said. "In this regard, the measures are really strengthened," Peskov added.
                Earlier, journalists who arrived at the residence to cover the president's events faced stricter than usual rules for entering the office. In particular, it is not allowed to enter certain areas with mobile phones and computers. "Http://tass.ru/politika/2478673
              2. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 27 November 2015 16: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Semen Semenych
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                and physical (technical) efforts of ordinary armed forces is not realistic to fight. This is primarily due to geographical.

                I didn’t understand a damn ... request I realized that physics is a problem, and geography ...

                Yes, Russians still have many problems with physics, geography and the Russian language, I suspect that there are also problems with mathematics, although rubles are easily converted into dollars.
            5. veksha50
              veksha50 27 November 2015 14: 03 New
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              Quote: _Vladislav_
              .....and weapons, nuclear weapons.


              Vladislav, I am very respectful of your comments, but now I could not stand it and will try to answer not only to you, but also to others who are recklessly trying to brandish a nuclear club ...

              Strategic nuclear weapons do not have dimensionless stocks, unfortunately. This product is piece ...
              Even at the time of the collapse of the USSR, we lost the largest and most powerful missile army - Vinnitsa ...
              Plus, remember how the "brothers" in Ukraine cut the Tu-160 ... under the strict guidance of the Amers ... only a small fraction of it was saved ...
              Then came a series of various Agreements on the reduction, limitation, control, monitoring, which Russia thoughtlessly signed ... And here lies the catch ...

              All agreements provide for parity between strategic nuclear forces Russia and the USA... The nuclear potentials of such NATO members as France and Great Britain are absolutely not taken into account here, plus the US "friends" - Pakistan, Israel ... I'm not talking about other countries ...

              Further: all these treaties absolutely do not imply that part of our strategic nuclear forces are intended to contain our eastern "friend" - China ...

              Unfortunately, our Armed Forces by ordinary means will not be able to fully resist the entire NATO bloc, especially if the block turns on its capabilities at full capacity and capabilities ...

              As a result, by using a nuclear clapper against a bug like Turkey (yes, in terms of the use of strategic nuclear forces Turkey is nothing more, no less than a bug), we spend our nuclear weapons stockpile and get involved in a nuclear war ... Part of the strategic nuclear weapons’s resources will go to Europe, and a significant part ...

              A part will be hit on the spot ... A part will start with problems (for this there is a reliability coefficient that even (!!!) at the Voivode-Satan is not as high as we would like) ...

              In general, it’s good if at least a third remains for the USA ... At least a third of them will not hit objects in the USA for various reasons ...

              So globally, the United States will not suffer irreparable damage, which they need ...

              And here, too, Chinese friends can make a fuss if they are not threatened by a deterrent on our part - they will finish off, how to give a drink ...

              So I’m not telling a horror story ... That’s why we had a lot more strategic missiles in the USSR than in the Russian Federation ... There were enough for everyone ...

              And Putin is now trying all the time to avoid direct confrontation (although they stubbornly impose it on him) ... I would like him to succeed ...

              Turkey must be crushed and crushed hard, but without the use of a nuclear baton ...

              Although, if it closes the straits for us, Russia will have nothing left to do ...
              1. podpolkovnik
                podpolkovnik 27 November 2015 14: 08 New
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                Thanks for the competent comment (unlike many previous ones) hi
                Something inspired ...
                Quote: veksha50
                Turkey must be crushed and crushed hard, but without the use of a nuclear baton ...
                1. veksha50
                  veksha50 27 November 2015 15: 03 New
                  +1
                  Quote: podpolkovnik
                  Something inspired.




                  Hmm ... it seems ...

                  By the way, here in VO Erdogan tried to imagine in the form of Hitler ... However, all the time I thought that he reminds me of someone else ...

                  Thanks to you, the provided photo finally understood: Erdogan resembles a gander ...

                  Sizzles, even pinching ...
                  1. podpolkovnik
                    podpolkovnik 27 November 2015 15: 12 New
                    +3
                    Quote: veksha50
                    Thanks to you, the provided photo finally understood: Erdogan resembles a gander ...

                    Sizzles, even pinching ...

                    But the white swan - without any associations and definitely! hi
                  2. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 27 November 2015 21: 31 New
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                    Quote: veksha50
                    Vladislav, I am very respectful of your comments, but now I could not stand it and will try to answer not only to you, but also to others who are recklessly trying to brandish a nuclear club ...

                    I think that nuclear weapons, and its use against Turkey is unlikely. But. The Turks cannot be brought out by conventional forces (well, this is natural in the case of a military confrontation).

                    I suppose that to obtain the necessary advantage, Russian aircraft can use high-power thermobaric bombs. One bomb - one base.
                    Nuclear strikes are unlikely. BUT - let's say if Russia would use a single nuclear strike on some object in Turkey, then in this case the United States (believe me) certainly would not launch a nuclear strike on Russia for Turkey.
                    1. By the fact that Russia freaked out and used nuclear weapons, but this has never happened in history - and this is scary.
                    2. NATO allies will disown Turkey - well, nafig Russians are furious, and they will charge us.
                    3. One nuclear strike on Turkey (hypothetical) would be enough to put them in their place.

                    PS
                    None of them wants to die - for the sake of Turkey's wrong (treacherous towards Russia) actions.
                    P.P.S.
                    And why do you even need a nuclear club? To shove it to hell and never stick it out? Only in case of an otvetka if you will be killed by Tridents and Minutemen? .... it is not yet known whether such an answer will turn out. Or do you need nuclear weapons to gain excellence where conventional efforts to achieve this is not realistic?
                    You are ready to proudly bear the title of NUCLEAR POWER, but then everyone knows that you can use it. Also not logical - a paper nuclear power.
                    Nuclear weapons are not only for an ESHATOLOGICAL battle with the States, they are, in principle, nuclear weapons.
              2. shinobi
                shinobi 27 November 2015 14: 26 New
                +5
                I’m wondering why, when it comes to nuclear weapons, everyone talks about strategic forces? But the Russian Federation has 7,5-8,5 thousand tactical charges (from 5 to 25 ct) 80% of which can be installed on existing non-strategic carriers .The same Gauges for example. Scanners, the entire set of aircraft winged and most RCC.
                1. veksha50
                  veksha50 27 November 2015 15: 09 New
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                  Quote: shinobi
                  I’m wondering why, when it comes to nuclear weapons, everyone talks about strategic forces? But the Russian Federation has 7,5-8,5 thousand tactical charges



                  Hmm ... The main and strongest enemy is the USA, located far, far away, to which no Iskanders can reach ...

                  And as for tactical nuclear weapons - firstly, the power is not the same, and secondly - they are intended mainly for conducting, in general, combat at the operational-tactical level, during ground operations, mainly, and thirdly, the most important thing: NATO the same TNW is present in Europe too ... And not much less than ours (if not more) ...
                  if you haven’t forgotten, even Polish pilots are now taught to use nuclear weapons, although Poland is not a nuclear power ... Germans, French, British ... A lot, or a darkness of enemies, and each has its own nuclear mallet ...

                  So we have to mainly talk about the capabilities of the nuclear triad - the Strategic Missile Forces, the Strategic Missile Forces and long-range aviation ...
              3. shuhartred
                shuhartred 27 November 2015 14: 35 New
                0
                Quote: veksha50
                Turkey must be crushed and crushed hard, but without the use of a nuclear baton ...

                Let me give you an opinion hi delivering a nuclear strike (20-50kT) as an act of retaliation will not provoke a nuclear war. The EU and the US will not care, but the Turks have no nuclear weapons. Here it’s different, such a measure can be applied only if nothing else works. Although this is similar to a shot from a bazooka in response to a slap IMHO.
                1. veksha50
                  veksha50 27 November 2015 15: 13 New
                  +3
                  Quote: shuhartred
                  Let me give you an opinion delivering a nuclear strike (20-50kT) as an act of retaliation will not provoke a nuclear war. The EU and the US will not care, but the Turks have no nuclear weapons.



                  Let me also express my opinion ... And you try, sniff at Turkey with a nuclear charge of any power ...

                  Do not forget: she (Turkey) is a member of NATO ... And no one will allow so easily to be scattered by nuclear charges ...

                  The United States was lucky at one time ... They were the only owners of nuclear weapons, so they were not afraid to hit Japan ...

                  In general, international law is based on Anglo-Saxon law, in which, from the Romano-Germanic law (like ours), the precedent prevails ... Strike - hmm, don’t expect everyone to be bashfully turned away ...
                2. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 27 November 2015 15: 13 New
                  +3
                  Quote: shuhartred
                  Let me express your opinion hi nuclear strike (20-50kT) as an act of retaliation will not provoke a nuclear war. The EU and the US will not care, but the Turks have no nuclear weapons


                  Denis! I’ll shake it with your permission.
                  In the event of a threat from Russia to use nuclear weapons (imaginary or real), what will Osman Pasha do? To whom will this NATO member run for support? And, taking into account the fact that Amer nuclear weapons have arrived in Europe under the guise of modernization, are there guarantees that under the pretext of protecting the small and weak, the same nuclear weapons will not be provided to the Turks? If air transport is a matter of a couple of hours.
                  1. shuhartred
                    shuhartred 28 November 2015 19: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    , the same nuclear weapons will not be provided to the Turks? If air transport is a matter of a couple of hours.

                    And on what basis will they deliver it to our territory? carriers then the Turks are dumb.
              4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 November 2015 17: 09 New
                +3
                Quote: veksha50
                All agreements provide for parity between the strategic nuclear forces of Russia and the United States ...

                That's just tactical nuclear weapons are not taken into account. And we have overwhelming superiority in it. Yes, it is relatively weak, but the count of warheads is thousands. And it can be spent without touching the main nuclear stock
                Quote: veksha50
                Unfortunately, our Armed Forces by conventional means will not be able to fully resist the entire NATO bloc.

                More likely than not. The bloc has recently weakened utterly - I doubt very much that the German army, for example, is capable of conducting any kind of large-scale offensive operations. Half of the aircraft is chained to the ground. But to concentrate any significant forces on the border — it will take months for NATO to do this, and in all of Europe it will be necessary to search for at least some combat-ready units (and many will be lazy at all). If the United States only sends its own, then yes, but they will also transfer those long and slow
                I’m not a third-party waving nuclerenbaton (I don’t really want Russia to use nuclear weapons first) and I don’t want a war with NATO at all, but still, in my opinion, you are not quite right
                1. veksha50
                  veksha50 27 November 2015 18: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  but still in these two questions you, I think, are not quite right



                  I think it seems that each of us will remain in our opinion ...
                  As for TNW ... There was already more than once information that it - ours - has not been updated for a long time ... And this is already negative ... Further ... Many carriers and delivery vehicles of TNW were destroyed, outdated, but did not produce new ones they didn’t put into service ... Even speaking of aviation, not every aircraft can carry nuclear weapons and not every pilot is trained in operations with it ... And many, many other reasons ...

                  Honestly, we are here, balabol, we are carrying out some KSHU: what will happen if ... ??? But how will it be otherwise ... ???

                  And fren knows him ... That their strategists are racking their brains, that ours, that we are at VO ...

                  Now I can only say one thing: God grant our President health, peace of mind and a sober mind to process these poisonous ingredients, which are slipped to us from all sides by "partners", and to cook from them a porridge that is digestible for us and deadly for enemies .. ...
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 November 2015 21: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: veksha50
                    I think it seems that each of us will remain in our opinion ...

                    Well, as Comrade Voltaire said: "I am ready to cut your throat for your opinion, but for your right to express it, I will give my life."
                    Quote: veksha50
                    There was already more than once information that it - ours - had not been updated for a long time ... And this is already negative ...

                    I would not say. Updating nuclear weapons is generally a very expensive pleasure, and the shelf life is very long. In general, I do not see the basis for a large percentage of failures - for years, through 60, yes, it may be.
                    Quote: veksha50
                    Even speaking of aviation, not every aircraft can carry nuclear weapons

                    In the form of a bomb - almost any.
                    Quote: veksha50
                    and not every pilot is taught actions with him ...

                    Normal bombing, then the bomb descends by parachute, so that the plane has time to leave the place of the explosion.
                    Quote: veksha50
                    Now I can only say one thing: God grant our President health, peace of mind and a sober mind to process these poisonous ingredients, which are slipped to us from all sides by "partners", and to cook from them a porridge that is digestible for us and deadly for enemies .. ...

                    It is hard to believe that this will happen, but we will wait. I suppose that until December 7 (when the last tourists leave Turkey) nothing will be exact, but then ... well, let's hope that something will happen.
              5. woron333444
                woron333444 27 November 2015 17: 11 New
                +1
                If Turkey is at war or “at risk of military danger”, the issue of allowing warships into the straits remains at the discretion of Ankara. According to the terms of the Montreux agreement, in this case the war should be declared officially, and if this did not happen, then Turkey is obliged to miss foreign ships on the condition that they were cut off from their naval base. In addition, the country needs to obtain UN consent on the issue of closure of the straits.
                1. veksha50
                  veksha50 27 November 2015 20: 05 New
                  -1
                  Quote: woron333444
                  Turkey must pass foreign ships with the condition that they were cut off from their naval base


                  There is a reason for the United States and its Turkish servants, in order to close the straits to our ships ... They will be allowed to return to the Black Sea, but not to the exit ...

                  Moreover, it seems to me that the following provocations will just be associated with straits and ships ... But this is so, purely my purely kitchen thinking ...
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            6. shuhartred
              shuhartred 27 November 2015 14: 20 New
              0
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              . In addition, the arsenal also has a vacuum gun (high-pressure thermobaric bomb).

              And what is its power in kilotons? And then Google slows down.
              1. dakty
                dakty 27 November 2015 16: 30 New
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                44 tons or 0,044ct
            7. skeket
              skeket 27 November 2015 14: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              Turkey is a regionally very powerful state, and the physical (technical) efforts of conventional armed forces are not realistic. This is primarily due to geographical.

              In the Middle East, of course, it will be very difficult against the Turks, because Erdogan is so brave, but do not forget that Russia has allies there - Syria, Iran, Kurds ...
            8. perm23
              perm23 27 November 2015 14: 55 New
              0
              To use nuclear weapons you need titanium eggs and more than one oligarch. To give such an order. It is very difficult. It is necessary to be able to fight with what is, the main thing is that there is determination.
            9. Don
              Don 27 November 2015 15: 13 New
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              Quote: _Vladislav_
              and physical (technical) efforts of ordinary armed forces is not realistic to fight. This is primarily due to geographical.

              Nobody will use nuclear weapons. If necessary. After receiving the order, within an hour, the attack by cruise missiles at military facilities from the Caspian and Black Seas, strategic aircraft and the OTRK from near Krasnodar.
          2. pilot8878
            pilot8878 27 November 2015 14: 35 New
            +8
            After reading the article, I was puzzled by only one question: did Ergondan, by chance, go to Ukraine? The symptoms are painfully similar:
            - Piidemo Moscalov beat!
            - And if you stink to beat us?
            - What about us?
            Unfortunately, it’s technically better equipped with horses, but the manners are the same.
            1. Mowgli
              Mowgli 27 November 2015 14: 44 New
              +5
              Quote: pilot8878
              After reading the article, I was puzzled by only one question: did Ergondan, by chance, go to Ukraine?


              It's not obligatory.
              Dzhemilev could bite him when he came to Turkey.
              1. the villain
                the villain 28 November 2015 00: 47 New
                0
                Quote: Mowgli
                Dzhemilev could bite him,

                Her peck only wassat
            2. perm23
              perm23 27 November 2015 15: 06 New
              -2
              Not quite on the topic. Well, now I read it. Ukrainian border guards detained two soldiers of the Russian BB, they got off the train at the station. There the border is nearby, on the other side, they didn’t figure out the way, and they were arrested by the Ukrainian border guard. Yes, then let go, But the question. Where our border guards were, how they allowed this, they are arresting citizens of Russian soldiers before their eyes and they just stand and watch. So in order to use nuclear weapons and just force, it is necessary that the commanders have such courage. And then just some kind of idiocy.
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 27 November 2015 16: 24 New
                +4
                Quote: perm23
                Where our border guards were, how they allowed it, they are arresting citizens of Russian soldiers before their eyes and they just stand and watch.

                If our citizens are so stupid that they cannot understand where the border is, then the border guards are our citizens. But they are trained not to violate the border regime. There, at least they will burn abroad at our bonfires there - border guards do not have the right to intervene.
          3. Abrekkos
            Abrekkos 27 November 2015 15: 31 New
            +4
            Citizens!

            Yes, do not react so much to the statements of politicians. All this is aimed exclusively at the domestic electorate.

            In reality, what happened in my memory always happened without a newspaper comment in such conflicts. All took concrete measures worked out in advance for this case. For this, the headquarters work, so that at the right time to know what to do. As in an orchestra: if something happened then open this score and play from the 5th digit.

            This is an unpleasant episode for which, from a military point of view, everyone was ready.
            In fact, the following happened:
            - ours moved their flight missions so as to be away from the Turkish border, so as not to get involved in a deliberately unequal confrontation but
            - the Turks stopped flying into Syria, flocks flying much lower (so as not to fall into the C-400 visibility zone) and also drove patrol routes from the border with Syria (if possible outside the zone of destruction of our Air Force).

            For us, we can characterize the change in the situation as some inconvenience and limitations in combat use.

            For the Turks, both the growth of risks during flights near the border (mainly due to possible losses from piloting errors) and the impossibility of tight control of the border of the aviation component of air defense. And of course, the impossibility of conducting serious operations in the sky of Syria. all their achievements didn’t give a damn about us and created a small almost no-fly zone (which is of little military use).

            So almost nothing has changed objectively. We could not and will not be able to compete and exert real military pressure on the Turks by the Air Force in the area of ​​the Syrian-Turkish border (due to the limited capabilities of our fighter aircraft over long distances and the presence of ground-based air defense systems in the Turks).
            The Turks both could not and cannot prevent the actions of our Air Force in Syria. In Syria, their hands were already tangled and are now tied.

            Placing the C-400 in Latakia does not make much military sense. In order for the Turks to get into the real and not the nominal defeat zone of this complex, they must become very impudent. They have not been so impudent before. Now this, just as before, has no military meaning for them.
            So their losses from our C-400 in the current conditions are theoretically possible only in the case of their gross errors.

            Rather, our S-400 will create inconvenience to the French and Americans from part of Israel.

            So speaking about the defeat of their fighters over Syria by our S-400, Erdogan knows that he is talking about the theoretical possibility of meeting a "spherical horse in a vacuum." But he means to show his people his coolness and hint that he controls something and Syria. Pure propaganda.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 27 November 2015 18: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Abrekkos
              For Turks, as an increase in risks when flying at the border (mainly due to possible losses from pilot errors)


              I liked this phrase in your comment very much ...

              Well, the rest is also the case ...

              PS Anyway, I would like to wish the greatest losses due to ... errors in piloting ...
          4. BIP PS FSB RF
            BIP PS FSB RF 29 November 2015 06: 02 New
            0
            Recall that previously an official representative of the Syrian authorities noted that any invasion of the country's airspace outside the coalition with Russia or without the approval of official Damascus would be perceived as an aggressive act against Syrian sovereignty. Without the presence of the Russian S-400 complex in Latakia, Ankara had little impact on these words ...

            A gun and a kind word are better than just a kind word! (Al Capone)
        2. vell.65
          vell.65 27 November 2015 13: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: vadson
          My opinion is that until Russian citizens return home from the resorts they will not be touched, further on the situation

          And that until our holidays end, the Turks will shit our hearts. Was there an article that our auto industry would suffer in the event of sanctions? Is everything really measured in money, even the prestige of the state? soldier
          1. vladimirw
            vladimirw 27 November 2015 13: 36 New
            +6
            what state was built, such and prestige. And for money, said Marx, the capitalist will sell his soul.
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          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 27 November 2015 16: 32 New
            -4
            Quote: vell.65
            And that until our holidays end, the Turks will spoil our souls.

            They can spoil us, only how Putin will behave, I do not know. Personally, I would start hostilities and take the initiative in my own hands, regardless of my compatriots. They knew for sure that they were going to a militarily dangerous region. There are so many fighters in Turkey. There are constantly fighting. This is not even in Egypt until now.
            1. pilot8878
              pilot8878 28 November 2015 01: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Personally, I would start hostilities and take the initiative in my own hands, regardless of my compatriots

              Thank God, the namesake is that you are not the Commander-in-Chief.
        3. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 13: 48 New
          11
          .... My opinion is that as long as the citizens of Russia do not return home from the resorts, they will not be touched, further on the situation ....

          .... belay ... And what ????? .... They are still there ???? .... Type for everything paid - we will be until the last ????? ..... For 4 days it was possible several times to leave ..... Or again we will save rednecks (organize - a suitcase separately, a body separately) .... This is a very expensive pleasure for the country ..... request
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 27 November 2015 14: 36 New
            +1
            .... belay ... And what ????? .... They are still there ????


            Well, even if they want to leave, no one will leave until the end of the vacation and the arrival of the paid charter. Well, it is not customary to take "extra" money from us on vacation.
          2. sisa29
            sisa29 27 November 2015 14: 50 New
            +3
            And why if a man went with his family on his own blood, he’s a GOAL? It turns out that if he went on vacation abroad, not a patriot and a traitor, long-range soldiers went on strike against predatory taxes, the Fifth Column? Somehow we love to weigh labels.
            1. pilot8878
              pilot8878 28 November 2015 01: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: sisa29
              And why if a man went with his family on his own blood, he’s a GOAL?

              Yesterday my wife and I went to a vegetable warehouse. There are beautiful tangerines. I read aloud: "Made in Turkey". The hostess of the base with tears in her eyes: "But when we bought, we did not know about the Turkish plans." Didn't buy.
              1. sisa29
                sisa29 29 November 2015 23: 25 New
                0
                And what do you think without buying that moment you punished the Turks? No, mistress, it’s understandable she will no longer buy Turkish, but here the losses from the rotten Turkish will fall to the cost of the Moroccan. Friends, why bring everything to madness, why forbid the importation of products already paid by us? Patriotism? Rather idiocy !!! Here we are the Turks!
        4. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 27 November 2015 14: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: vadson
          until Russian citizens return home from the resorts they will not be touchedfurther on the situation

          To gasp so that the Turks did not dare to touch them, they will be escorted with an orchestra and flowers! Ordinary beards - they shout a lot, jump, "Allahakbarov" in conversation more than ordinary words. And they feel the strength - they begin to smile stupidly and look into the eyes with a bow. Only crushing strength is needed, and not to look for nitrates in tomatoes ... We have already seen these Mahmuds in different positions ... Stick a knife in the back - always, and if you give it a turn, they will dance squatting ...
          1. sisa29
            sisa29 27 November 2015 14: 52 New
            -4
            It’s interesting if your children were there now, you would also PATRIOTICLY insist on CRY!
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 27 November 2015 16: 44 New
              +5
              Quote: sisa29
              It’s interesting if your children were there now, you would also PATRIOTICLY insist on CRYING

              MY children and grandchildren go to my cottage on the Volga. I have all-inclusive here in the 25 meters of the house. All year round.

              When I was sent on a business trip, my relatives did not always know where I was. But always, guessing about this, PATRIOTICY wanted first of all that we win there, and not to bend to any requirements of the bearded, if only nobody would touch us.

              And if you ask such questions, then, especially for you, I will repeat the previous comment in its entirety. Read carefully. Especially in the highlighted words. Maybe you will understand something about PATRIOTISM and about "LOOK".
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              To gasp so that the Turks did not dare to touch them, they will be escorted with an orchestra and flowers! Ordinary beards - they shout a lot, jump, "Allahakbarov" in conversation more than ordinary words. And they feel the strength - they begin to smile stupidly and look into the eyes with a bow. Only crushing strength is needed, and not to look for nitrates in tomatoes ... We have already seen these Mahmuds in different positions ... Stick a knife in the back - always, and if you give it a turn, they will dance squatting ...
              1. sisa29
                sisa29 29 November 2015 23: 37 New
                0
                I will answer in order
                , it’s good for you when the Volga is near and when in the summer of 20 and without rain it’s already rare good weather. For us, a trip to Turkey was really a very cheap and convenient way to improve our health. Just do not say that in Russia it is also possible. In Turkey it was cheaper and good weather was guaranteed. And if at least a couple of weeks in the summer at sea do not visit the winter in our climate, all the children in snot
                I did not say that it would bend, I said that while ours were there, for their hard-earned why they should suffer.
                Well, on the towers highlighted How to crave so that they spend with flowers? Give a couple of options? So that with the flowers spent, I think you can only smell the salt!
            2. woron333444
              woron333444 28 November 2015 13: 32 New
              +1
              And if there were our grandfathers and grandmothers, fathers and mothers, but they are not there
        5. avia1991
          avia1991 27 November 2015 17: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: vadson
          until Russian citizens return home from resorts

          А to these citizens it would be worthwhile to think with your head, and not ... the back seat, WHAT is more expensive for them: the loss of part of the money paid for the rest - or your own life and health! I will not say anything about the dignity and honor of the Motherland ..
        6. FiremamRescueS
          FiremamRescueS 27 November 2015 19: 32 New
          +1
          My opinion is that Russian citizens, who are not indifferent to the fate of their homeland, should already have left Turkey.
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 27 November 2015 13: 09 New
        11
        Twitched! Have you taken a break from the situation? Think, don’t think - the response is already underway.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 27 November 2015 14: 33 New
          10
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          A Th ????? .... They are still there ????.

          Lee! hi Hello again. And today, the theme of Russian-Turkish relations has been reduced to our citizens, vacationing in Turkey. I will try to answer your question from my bell tower: Why are our citizens still not taken out of Turkey?
          1. Crimea turned off the ferry service with Turkey. next passenger flow decreased. Do not involve the same BDK or military transport aircraft. And the return trip has already been paid.
          2. Emergency evacuation can cause panic and lead to the fact that some of the dead can be forgotten at the hotel or on the beach.
          3. The Turks can regard the emergency evacuation as the beginning of the Kirdyk Mandyk and prevent it in every way, gaining time to prepare for the beginning of the Kirdyk Mandyk.
          4. Tourists who have received full travel services will not file claims for damages to our tour operators, who are not going through the best of times.
          5. That part of the tourists, whose favorite TV program is "Dom-2", will not yell at all corners that Putin ruined their vacation.
          Although, maybe I'm wrong.
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 27 November 2015 13: 21 New
        22
        Quote: Baikonur
        NOT AGGRESSIONS, BUT A PAYMENT OF HEAVENLY JUSTICE !!! TSUKA!

        No one in Russia is going to shoot down a Turkish plane!
        He will be shot down by Syrian pilots or air defense fighters guarding their air border. Perhaps they will have a "Ryazan" accent.
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 27 November 2015 13: 54 New
          +3
          Yes, that’s about to be.
        2. perm23
          perm23 27 November 2015 14: 58 New
          +1
          Best if it will be Armenian air defense.
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 27 November 2015 12: 58 New
      18
      Today, the Turkish newspaper www.hurriyet.com.tr writes that the country's authorities decided to suspend flights of Turkish Air Force aircraft in Syrian airspace.

      so it's like barking chow chow. He isn’t a completely stupid person.

      1. sa-zz
        sa-zz 27 November 2015 13: 03 New
        +6
        he is not a completely stupid person

        he is generally "inadequate"
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 27 November 2015 13: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: sa-zz
          he is generally "inadequate"

          this is the most reasonable and logical explanation of his actions / crimes and it is possible that he deliberately mows his statements with a fool, like oh, and I have to go to a fool! and why are you all up against the schizo? and will fall into a psychiatric hospital ... suburban ..
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        3. Marconi41
          Marconi41 27 November 2015 13: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: sa-zz
          he is generally "inadequate"

          Not at all. He is adequate! He hopes that NATO will stand up for him if there is aggression against Turkey. In vain! He needs to remember the Turkish Phantom brought down by the Syrians. Then NATO sent Erdagan in clear text. I really want revenge! Well, really! I think our pilots crave the same! I hope our sovereign is not far from them ...
        4. Per se.
          Per se. 27 November 2015 13: 41 New
          +8
          Quote: sa-zz
          he is generally "inadequate"
          He perfectly understands everything, as our newly-minted "ally", Francois Hollande, understood everything when he refused to hand over the Mistral to Russia. Do you think Angela Merkel is a fool who is just as "inadequate" and does what she wants? All they did and will do what the puppeteers from the USA tell them. The United States has no plans where Russia wins, neither in Ukraine, forcing our keepers of accounts in foreign banks to recognize the junta, nor in Syria, where we dutifully, at one time, stopped the supply of our weapons to the Assad army, and now we are harnessed to a "coalition" the fight against ISIS, moreover, the United States has spawned both ISIS and a coalition against its own creation. Erdogan will be a semblance of Poroshenko, a provocation against Russia, his task. If Turkey finds a reason to recognize us as the aggressor, most likely, the straits will be closed, a new war will start in Donbass, and the danger for Crimea will increase (which Bandera's group is going to return). We may be threatened by a war on two fronts, with the same ISIS, with the cut off grouping in Syria, and in the Donbass with the Bandera Nazis, and even for the Crimea. The states have their own goal of destroying or weakening Russia, and they are moving towards it. Erdogan is not "inadequate", he is more than adequate to fulfill the overseas scenario. In any case, the Yankees will try to recoup Russia.
          1. rotor
            rotor 27 November 2015 13: 52 New
            +3
            If Turkey finds a reason to recognize us as an aggressor, most likely, the straits will close


            The straits for civilian vessels carrying military cargo will not be able to close.

            If Turkey does not fight, but “considers itself in danger of military danger,” it is nevertheless obliged to miss all ships (including those flying the flag of a potential adversary), including during the day, however, the course must be indicated by Ankara.

            From a legal point of view, Turkey has no legal reason to obstruct the passage of vessels carrying Russian cargo.
            1. ordinary
              ordinary 27 November 2015 13: 57 New
              0
              in case of war - the straits overlap uniquely and at once
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            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 27 November 2015 14: 14 New
              +3
              Why are we always scaring ourselves with straits?
              HOW will they be closed? There is no barrier. The only scenario is that Turkey does not give permission. So what? If warships go through the strait - what will the Turks do? To drown? Then there is already a complete scribe, and this will be the last day of the Monterro Convention and the Straits themselves as a geographic point. In any case, as part of Turkey.
              So there is no need to fantasize - they will close the straits, open the straits. These are not gates or channels, the overlap is purely declarative. Just as Ukraine "forbade" our humanitarian convoys to Donetsk.
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      2. WKS
        WKS 27 November 2015 13: 07 New
        11
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        He isn’t a completely stupid person.

        This egg of a hair louse and an American servile novice is held in power thanks to deceit and meanness. As long as this louse egg is in power, you can’t have any business with the Turkish Republic, and shoot down all their planes that flew into Syria with at least one wing right there.
      3. ancient
        ancient 27 November 2015 15: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        so it's like barking chow chow


        My neighbor has the same little cat, or rather a Spitz ... so ... his weight in the summer is around 45 .. in winter he gains up to 50 .... Barking, as you put it ... maybe Alabai is envious, but according to fighting characteristics. .... this without fear rushes at all .. even at my belay and stop ... it’s impossible .. he doesn’t hear or understand any commands .. and if God forbid he will also be hurt .. he will fight to the death!
        Well ... somewhere like that .... I love dogs, you know, and I don’t like it .. where on the "neznanka" .. balabolits and more .. in memory ... size takes place only in the case when only sew up the wound there will be, but for the number of injections ... which you will get later ... at least the lapdog will bite, at least be a dog .... EQUALLY wassat
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 27 November 2015 16: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: ancient
          and for the number of injections .. which then you will get ... at least the lap-dog will bite


          Alexander! hi My regards!
          If you apply your allegory to the topic of the article. Everything is sad?
      4. FiremamRescueS
        FiremamRescueS 30 November 2015 20: 18 New
        0
        Do you know how Chow barks?)))) I have a Chow and I’ll tell you that she barks very rarely, just for the sake of formality. Mostly silent, and only before you bite your teeth at the careless parts of the body growls a warning warning.)))) Are you confused with the Chihuahua mb?
    3. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 27 November 2015 13: 00 New
      +8
      Quote: iza top
      Erdogan said that he considers a strike likely, while adding that such a strike will be considered by Turkey as an "act of aggression against its independence."
      and WHAT ?!


      Straight to the point and succinctly))), "and" what's next?
      Interesting, but now he sleeps like. Has become like Saakashvili, Tie still not chewing?
      1. Sorokin
        Sorokin 27 November 2015 13: 09 New
        +1
        Well, very similar.
    4. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 27 November 2015 13: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: izya top
      and WHAT ?!

      Yes, nothing :) Ostap suffered!
      1. avt
        avt 27 November 2015 13: 04 New
        +9
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Yes, nothing :) Ostap suffered!

        Yeah ! The son of a Turkish citizen the last days, he carries a fox "-" He either cried, then laughed, then bristled like a hedgehog. He, bastard, mocked us - crazy! What can you take .... " laughing
    5. Decathlon
      Decathlon 27 November 2015 13: 03 New
      +4
      Oh, nothing! wink The main thing for this decoy duck is to grunt, frowning!
      "... no matter where the Turkish plane is shot down ..."
      Yes, by the way, if anyone sees the Turkish side above his dacha, you can shoot from all types of weapons ... Nothing will happen! Well, maybe the district police officer will come up, the protocol will be drawn up, he won’t even be fined ...
      1. Alexanast
        Alexanast 27 November 2015 13: 23 New
        +7
        Even the district policeman will not come, he will simply unsubscribe, they say the measures have been taken, the hooligans have been punished, explanatory work has been carried out among the local population.
    6. Metallurgist
      Metallurgist 27 November 2015 13: 09 New
      +8
      Yes, that's all ...
      What am I thinking about? Maybe kaklovirus somehow got over from Turkey?

      Since Erdogan is rapidly in terms of inadequacy, like a jack (s) he is catching up with Klitschko & Yatsenyuk.
      1. izya top
        izya top 27 November 2015 13: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Metallurg
        Maybe kaklovirus somehow got over from Turkey?

        what forelocks, bloomers ... that's just the fat falls request
        1. Decathlon
          Decathlon 27 November 2015 13: 32 New
          0
          And, you hint to the Turks that the lifting of trade sanctions is possible: don’t find more delicious Turkish bacon ...
          1. izya top
            izya top 27 November 2015 13: 42 New
            +4
            it is incurable wassat fool
            The deputy group on separating the Caucasus from Russia “Free Caucasus” was created in the Verkhovna Rada. The corresponding news at a meeting on Friday was announced by vice speaker Andrei Parubiy.
    7. 79807420129
      79807420129 27 November 2015 13: 10 New
      17
      Firstly, Erdogan is not a Syrian, but a Turkish president, we don’t have to insult our Syrian friends, secondly Erdogan swept over and contradicts himself, all this is organized by striped naglosaks who are sitting like we aren’t watching our reaction, revenge should be smart and cold and inevitable, the expectation of execution is worse than the execution itself.
    8. 53-Sciborskiy
      53-Sciborskiy 27 November 2015 13: 16 New
      34
      At the disco, a Russian in a T-shirt with an inscription in Turkish: "The Turks have three problems." A Turk immediately approaches him and asks:
      - What are you doing? Looking for problems? Do you want to run over?
      - This is your first problem. Aggressiveness. You always try to create problems from scratch.
      When the disco ends, a group of Turks is already waiting for the Russian.
      “Now you will answer for your words,” they say.
      - This is your second problem. You cannot solve your problems yourself and immediately collect yours for any reason.
      - How dare you talk to us like that!?! - Turks raised knives ...
      “This is your third problem,” the Russian continues, and takes out a gun. “You always come to a shootout with knives.”
    9. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 27 November 2015 13: 19 New
      +8
      It is necessary to track down these two Turkish F-16s and fuck it so that there wouldn’t be any shit left from them, let the smelly Erdogan then consider what he wants, you don’t have to think for a second to shoot down Turkish creatures.
    10. Vend
      Vend 27 November 2015 13: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: iza top
      Erdogan said that he considers a strike likely, while adding that such a strike will be considered by Turkey as an "act of aggression against its independence."
      and WHAT ?!

      Well, he blurted out, thought, and then he’ll give a ride and Russia will be scared. And when he realized that he was not afraid, he was afraid. Total
      Today, the Turkish newspaper www.hurriyet.com.tr writes that the country's authorities decided to suspend flights of Turkish Air Force aircraft in Syrian airspace.
    11. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 27 November 2015 13: 24 New
      +3
      And do we regard their actions in relation to our SU-24 as friendly?
      here, too, in a "friendly" way, if we "merge" a couple of their planes
    12. ifox3000
      ifox3000 27 November 2015 13: 24 New
      +1
      According to Erdogan, regardless of where the Turkish plane will be shot down, this will be regarded as an act of aggression against Turkey.

      Tell CNN he can do anything laughing But

      Today, the Turkish newspaper www.hurriyet.com.tr writes that the country's authorities decided to suspend flights of Turkish Air Force aircraft in Syrian airspace.

      still crap !!! laughing
    13. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 27 November 2015 13: 34 New
      +1
      Erdogan will put everything in his pants ............. it’s one thing to stink at the rostrum at home, and another to meet in a fair fight with the Russians ..... and that’s all !!! .... .game over.......
    14. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 November 2015 13: 35 New
      0
      But the fact of the matter is that he will not be able to do anything, and therefore they have stopped flying there.
    15. avdkrd
      avdkrd 27 November 2015 13: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: iza top
      Erdogan said that he considers a strike likely, while adding that such a strike will be considered by Turkey as an "act of aggression against its independence."
      and WHAT ?!

      Erdogan Guru 80 LvL / His logic sounds something like this: if I hit someone in the face, then this is self-defense, and if I (after I hit), then this is aggression. A military response is required, a Turkish plane must be shot down. It may be that it’s not even necessarily Turkish - there is an opinion that AWACS amer directed. In case of confirmation, you can shoot down amers with a clear conscience.
    16. vodolaz
      vodolaz 27 November 2015 13: 48 New
      +1
      Yes, we generally do not care. I look Turkey itself generally scored a bunch of enemies at its borders. Of course they were before that, but now the Turks got everyone. I look at many of the states of the region that once were worth something, there were ideas about fixing the return to former greatness: the Ottoman Empire, Great Romania. That's just it does not suit others around in any situation.
    17. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 27 November 2015 13: 53 New
      +1
      Well, what ... What? They decided to suspend flights over Syria ... Everything, heroes, was not found yes
    18. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 27 November 2015 13: 55 New
      +2
      Let's let our Turkish plane fly.
      What will Erdogan do?
      He will not climb alone on us.
      Will seek advice and assistance from NATO.
      And there they like to discuss, declare, protest, call ... and the like.
      Nobody wants war, except maybe the USA.
      So let him crow, and we laugh.
    19. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 27 November 2015 14: 03 New
      +3
      Comrade, he is not threatening us. Most of the citizens of our country already do not care about these threats, enough, tired of being afraid. He pours these warnings on Putin’s entourage, which is metastasized. It is likely that Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu, Churkin, and the like, are also threatened by the drum. Erdogan threatens the traitors, the fifth column with the hope that they will put pressure on the authorities to save their wretched little soul, their wallets and property, which, of course, is in the west.
    20. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 27 November 2015 14: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: iza top
      Erdogan said that he considers a strike likely, while adding that such a strike will be considered by Turkey as "An act of aggression against its independence".
      and WHAT ?!

      Jumps ... Let's join Turkey to the Crimea. What is the difference - Western slimes will talk about the annexed and occupied Crimea, or also about Turkey? And shut up the "Western coalition" by slapping their leader with the demand to return to Mexico the annexed Texas and California ... And impose sanctions until they return ...
    21. shuhartred
      shuhartred 27 November 2015 14: 18 New
      0
      Quote: iza top
      Erdogan said that he considers a strike likely, while adding that such a strike will be considered by Turkey as an "act of aggression against its independence."
      and WHAT ?!

      State Department will express its "concern" request
    22. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 27 November 2015 14: 34 New
      0
      The dog barks, the wind carries.
    23. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 27 November 2015 15: 18 New
      0
      He said that it was necessary to conduct exercises in the Southern Military District. Charges of reservists, the withdrawal of equipment in the field. Transfer the Marines there, practice landing on the beach. Aviation flights to conduct ...
    24. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 27 November 2015 15: 36 New
      0
      Without the presence of the Russian S-400 complex in Latakia, Ankara had little impact on these words ...

      This quite understandable idea does not inspire optimism in good-neighborly relations with Turkey and other partners.

      The Cold War began ... with a test of hot tricks stealthily .... everything, as in the 1950s and early 1960s ...

      In this regard, the thought appears. that we must quickly "attract", or rather involve our allies in our "coalition". Otherwise, they will find themselves in the camp of enemies. This is an axiom of the Cold War - after a while there will be no neutrals left. Rather, the status of a neutral state will receive insignificant countries, and not of their own free will, but by agreement of the great powers.
      As was the case with Switzerland, Austria, Sweden ... The neutral status of Finland and Yugoslavia was not recognized by the West because of the existence of treaties of these countries with the USSR.
    25. Albert1988
      Albert1988 27 November 2015 19: 02 New
      0
      Quote: izya top
      and WHAT ?!

      What the hell? organ-erdoganchik is brave on camera. wanting with loud statements and warlike rhetoric to hide a large trembling in their knees and soaked pants ...
    26. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 27 November 2015 21: 08 New
      0
      It’s just a matter of spitting at all that this Erdogan is there ... He has to pay for our pilot and marine! And no bargaining is appropriate here! On the side there is also a Turkish stream and cheap clothes and tomatoes grown on glass wool with hydroponics ... We will not get along, but if we just die, consider the dead ... Tomorrow they will also shoot down our other planes and sink ships, only over Russian territory ...
  2. teron
    teron 27 November 2015 12: 57 New
    +2
    Absolutely beguiled sick.
  3. Jarilo
    Jarilo 27 November 2015 12: 58 New
    +2
    Perceive.
  4. Dezinto
    Dezinto 27 November 2015 12: 59 New
    34
    Inadequate Turkish. You would apologize at least. !!!!

    That would not change anything. But to make such statements without apologizing for your rotten act! - this is inadequate courage.

    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 27 November 2015 13: 12 New
      45
      Ha, people asked - the pilots performed good +:
      1. sinukvl
        sinukvl 27 November 2015 13: 37 New
        0
        Already done, the network has a photo of our Su with a similar inscription on the rocket.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 27 November 2015 14: 18 New
          0
          Quote: sinukvl
          Already done, the network has a photo of our Su with a similar inscription on the rocket.

          Alas, so far only Photoshop users have done it, I hope the pilots will not leave behind.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 27 November 2015 13: 41 New
        0
        Everybody saw the inscriptions "For Ours" and "For Paris", so these must be shown, So that Saakashvili chews his tie and shies away from his own planes !!!
        1. sinukvl
          sinukvl 27 November 2015 14: 11 New
          +1
          At the request of readers, I post it. wink
          1. Bombardier
            Bombardier 27 November 2015 14: 19 New
            +1
            I apologize ... You are probably commenting from the phone ... so you didn’t notice that just above my comment - this is the photo that’s worth it. hi Yours!
  5. Petrof
    Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 00 New
    +5
    According to Erdogan, regardless of where the Turkish plane will be shot down, this will be regarded as an act of aggression against Turkey.

    if the straits are closed, the supply of our group will be interrupted
    bypassing through Europe is expensive and long, the hybrid can also be blocked
    probably through Iran, but already in Iraq - ISIS
    possible by air but expensive and Americans can block the air way

    what then?
    just declare that if the straits are closed, then they will play in local fallout in reality
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 November 2015 13: 05 New
      15
      Quote: Petrof
      if the straits are closed, the supply of our group will be interrupted
      bypassing through Europe is expensive and long, the hybrid can also be blocked
      probably through Iran, but already in Iraq - ISIS
      possible by air but expensive and Americans can block the air way

      You can underground, but there are moles. It is possible through space, but there are aliens ... etc. Sitting and crying, right?
      1. Petrof
        Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 06 New
        0
        what do you mean, dear?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 27 November 2015 13: 16 New
          +8
          Quote: Petrof
          what do you mean, dear?

          So I want to ask what you wanted to say:
          Quote: Petrof
          Americans can block the airway

          If the Americans block the air way, then this is the third world, respected, and according to hell it will be how Turkey behaves there. Similarly with Gibraltar.
          1. Petrof
            Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Vladimirets
            what did you want to say:


            that it’s time all over the world to remind about our nuclear weapons

            Quote: Vladimirets
            then this is the third world


            yes really, after a verbal ban then?
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 27 November 2015 13: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Petrof
              after verbal prohibition?

              Well, yeah, that really holds everyone back. yes
              1. Petrof
                Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 27 New
                -1
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Well yeah, it really holds back everyone


                well, the Turks will bring down
                what's next
                third world?
                and you carefully read what I wrote?

                if we announce in advance about the possibility of a virtual fallout penetrating into the real world, then this is practically an act of humanism, which will cool our "western partners" who are too presumptuous
                I think that right now it needs to be done - until everything has gone too far
                Erdogan is clearly escalating and certainly not by itself, but with the permission of the United States
                here it is necessary to show him the probable future, if all of a sudden

                after that they will become polite and cultured - it’s kind of expensive to see
          2. brisk
            brisk 27 November 2015 13: 35 New
            -1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            If the Americans block the air way, then this is the third world, respected, and according to hell it will be how Turkey behaves there. Similarly with Gibraltar.


            The Americans have already blocked the sea route once. And much more extensive than the Strait of Gibraltar. In 1962. Do you remember "Anadyr"? And World War 3 did not start then, although those and those had nuclear weapons. And then in those days everyone was talking about her all over the world - about World War III. And Uncle Khrushchev was much more decisive than now the entire leadership of all the "leading modern" combined ... And the solution to the problem was chosen completely different. 3 did not want the world. Probably because it was not presented by conventional means then, since there is nuclear weapons. And the nuclear weapons to lead the 3rd world was it painfully dumb, even for the fattest of this world?
            1. Petrof
              Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 48 New
              0
              then the universal end was very close
              and the United States would not be able to sit out, by the way, after all, it all started because of the supply of missiles to Turkey, which is many thousands of kilometers from the United States
              but Cuba is very close

              but it was then, a direct threat to the United States - and now this seems to be no
              so they are pumping, Erdogan only a puppet otherwise he would not have nodded that NATO would save him
              so I’m saying that it is necessary to say in advance what will happen - to cool the hot heads
              in the framework of our peace-loving policy, but remembering at the same time the ancient Roman saying - if you want peace, prepare for war
      2. Yarik
        Yarik 27 November 2015 13: 12 New
        +3
        Vladimir (1) RU Today, 13:05 ↑

        Quote: Petrof
        if the straits are closed, the supply of our group will be interrupted
        bypassing through Europe is expensive and long, the hybrid can also be blocked
        probably through Iran, but already in Iraq - ISIS
        possible by air but expensive and Americans can block the air way

        You can underground, but there are moles. It is possible through space, but there are aliens ... etc. Sitting and crying, right?






        Great comment. Neighing for a long time !!! laughing
      3. Yarik
        Yarik 27 November 2015 13: 12 New
        0
        Great comment. Neighing for a long time !!! laughing
    2. jeezar
      jeezar 27 November 2015 13: 06 New
      10
      Do not close. This is war. And in this case, gas and oil will cease to flow to Turkey. And winter is ahead. And our market share is 60%.
      1. Petrof
        Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: jeezar
        This is war.


        so he states exactly that
        while gas and oil can also be obtained from other sources
        Do you think that he decided to blur out with the cantanker? rather than consulting with senior comrades and getting certain warranties
    3. sa-zz
      sa-zz 27 November 2015 13: 09 New
      +5
      if the straits are closed, the supply of our group will be interrupted

      only in case of war (Montreux). And in case of war (God forbid pah-pah), we also have the right to act by military methods.

      As for the fallout - it seems striped and they provoke it, they played enough bldg, they think they will also fight for the joystick.
      1. Petrof
        Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 12 New
        0
        Quote: sa-zz
        it seems striped and provoke it.


        I don’t think they want to spend the rest of their lives in a bomb shelter
        they are waiting for us to crush
        1. sa-zz
          sa-zz 27 November 2015 13: 20 New
          +1
          they are waiting for us to crush

          Are tired of waiting. Let the history be taught better, including how their almost beloved Thanksgiving Day appeared.
          1. Petrof
            Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: sa-zz
            Are tired of waiting


            let's say the closure of the straits happened
            and what should we do according to you?
            if you don't like my nuclear weapons reminder proposal
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 November 2015 13: 43 New
              -1
              Iran will not block our airspace and Iraq also has a minimum of US power there, if they close the strait, they will have to wait for the ekranoplans and build heavy seaplanes.
      2. AlexTires
        AlexTires 27 November 2015 13: 27 New
        0
        and only with the consent of the UN ...
        1. Petrof
          Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 34 New
          0
          if wars start to spit on the UN then the closure of the straits ...
          and where does the UN

          Under the new regulation, Turkish authorities could suspend shipping in the straits, citing scientific, repair, drilling, police operations and other conditions. (from)
    4. Mirex
      Mirex 27 November 2015 13: 45 New
      +1
      under international law, the closure of any strait is regarded as a declaration of war
      1. AUL
        AUL 27 November 2015 14: 58 New
        +1
        In the event of war (God forbid, of course!), The straits will definitely be closed. But, since the war - we will discover for ourselves! We have a tool for this. But I really would not want such a scenario to be realized!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 November 2015 13: 01 New
    +2
    such a blow will be considered by Turkey as an “act of aggression against its independence”.

    Only the Turkish prime minister makes a little more than a peaceful statement (in the previous article), as Erdogan again jumped on his hobbyhorse - "Turkey is above everything." Well, how can one believe such a president, from whom nothing has been heard except for outright lies and rudeness in recent days.
  7. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 27 November 2015 13: 02 New
    +8
    Well, Cho, the prophecy of the Orthodox elders will come true, there will be no Turkey)))
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 27 November 2015 13: 03 New
      +3
      and where to read? throw a link?
      1. DmitryU
        DmitryU 27 November 2015 13: 13 New
        0
        https://youtu.be/2f3B-pqendA
  8. dison
    dison 27 November 2015 13: 02 New
    +2
    Regardless of where the Turkish plane will be shot down, this will be regarded as an act of aggression against Turkey


    Fly to America then at least for a change.
    1. berkut9737
      berkut9737 27 November 2015 13: 21 New
      +1
      Fly to America then at least for a change.

      "Today, the Turkish newspaper www.hurriyet.com.tr writes that the country's authorities have decided to suspend air flights." laughing
  9. 53-Sciborskiy
    53-Sciborskiy 27 November 2015 13: 02 New
    +5
    Why bother about it? Fly in, and we'll see. Here are just a desire to fly over Syria clearly diminished. The point is that it is not iron. Scare Russia to paint the sky.
  10. sem_juver
    sem_juver 27 November 2015 13: 03 New
    +6
    Waiting, bastard, does not know what will happen next. Not the head of state, but some hysterical!
  11. ded-mazai
    ded-mazai 27 November 2015 13: 03 New
    +2
    Syrian President Erdogan

    Rolled out his lip
  12. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 27 November 2015 13: 03 New
    +6
    Without the presence of the Russian S-400 complex in Latakia, Ankara had little impact on these words ...
    S-400 can convince
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 November 2015 13: 46 New
      0
      Erdogan will continue to check us, and insolently, his planes will fly into Syria, despite the C 400.
  13. iliya87
    iliya87 27 November 2015 13: 03 New
    +4
    "The country's authorities have decided to suspend the flights of Turkish Air Force aircraft in the Syrian airspace. Recall that earlier the official representative of the Syrian authorities noted that any invasion of the country's airspace outside the coalition with Russia or without the consent of official Damascus will be perceived as an aggressive act against the Syrian sovereignty. "
    I would like to answer in the style of the translation of the movie "Hot Heads" - It's high time! Hu ... you take so long!
  14. sinukvl
    sinukvl 27 November 2015 13: 04 New
    +1
    Either Erdogan, his aircraft will fly wherever he wants, then he won’t, he just breaks down like that um ... let's say a young lady. It seems that a quarrel began at Erdogan with his own military.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 27 November 2015 13: 26 New
      0
      It’s time for the military in Churkestan to recall the Ataurk’s precepts and bring down this shame. right now.
  15. kit-kat
    kit-kat 27 November 2015 13: 05 New
    +2
    "suspended flights ...", I think Turkey can already sell its military aircraft as unnecessary.
  16. asbond
    asbond 27 November 2015 13: 05 New
    +4
    He is clearly trying to take an example from the Yankees by double standards. But ... "what is allowed to Zeus is not allowed to the bull." Something you, Erdogan, beguiled your place in this world)))
    1. Terrible_L.
      Terrible_L. 27 November 2015 13: 34 New
      +2
      asbond: Obviously trying to follow a double standard from the Yankees. But ... "what is allowed to Zeus is not allowed to the bull." Something you, Erdogan, beguiled your place in this world)))
      Okay, what else did the Yankees still lack for Olympus?
      What is Zeus? Not a hat for Senka! I would rather compare both with Tabaki and Sherkhan. And we know perfectly well what happened to them in the end.
  17. Mixweb
    Mixweb 27 November 2015 13: 06 New
    +4
    That is, a downed Turkish plane over the TERRITORY of Syria will be considered as aggression and violation of sovereignty? Apparently Erdogan in absentia included the northern provinces of Syria in Turkey. This explains the persistence in trying to convince everyone that our plane flew in the airspace of the Turks.
  18. raid14
    raid14 27 November 2015 13: 06 New
    +2
    Cautioning the Kremlin against retaliatory measures, the Turkish president recalled that the country was protected by the North Atlantic Treaty. “We are a member of NATO, and any actions or aggression against Turkey will be considered as aggression against NATO or one of the member states of the alliance. NATO will certainly take the necessary steps, ”said Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
    Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2863184
    1. Petrof
      Petrof 27 November 2015 13: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: raid14
      said Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


      if anything - a big surprise awaits him
    2. sinukvl
      sinukvl 27 November 2015 13: 41 New
      +1
      In the megalomania of the Turkish individual, and he asked permission from Smoked, do we have to speak for the United States?
  19. berkut9737
    berkut9737 27 November 2015 13: 06 New
    +5
    Erdogan said that the possible use of the C-400 air defense system against Turkish military aircraft would be perceived as an act of aggression against Turkey

    Come on, take off, stsuka! We are waiting!
  20. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 27 November 2015 13: 06 New
    +2
    It is true that they covered the sky over Syria. You understand that everyone flies about to fly, they do nasty things, they start yapping into the bushes and from there ... They tolerate mongrels for the time being, until they stuck their vile little teeth from heel to heel. Then, as a result, a powerful kick occurs, a punch or a flight of bricks. Sorry for the sabbath, but what can you do, stockpiled, get it! And the owner will add.
  21. russmensch
    russmensch 27 November 2015 13: 06 New
    0
    .the country's authorities decided to suspend the flights of Turkish Air Force aircraft in Syrian airspace.

    This is wise ... Do not want conflicts - do not fly without demand. Simple and intelligible logic of GDP.
  22. PQ-18
    PQ-18 27 November 2015 13: 07 New
    -4
    Let's see who has "harder" eggs in his pants ...
    Putin or Erdogan? belay
    1. Alexanast
      Alexanast 27 November 2015 13: 42 New
      +7
      This piece of go..na Erdogan the clown puppet. He does and pi..t what the black puppeteer tells him. And if he says to bomb the Kurds, for example, he will squeeze a point and start bombing. This is where all the dots above the "and" will rise.
    2. sinukvl
      sinukvl 27 November 2015 13: 47 New
      +1
      And there’s nothing to watch, Erdogan’s behavior says a lot! Either his Air Force will fly wherever they want, then in five minutes they won’t. Classics of the genre
  23. Monos
    Monos 27 November 2015 13: 07 New
    +5
    According to Erdogan, regardless of where the Turkish plane will be shot down, this will be regarded as an act of aggression against Turkey.


    the country's authorities decided to suspend the flights of Turkish Air Force aircraft in Syrian airspace.


    "Yes, we ..., yes, I ... Oh, I'm getting a point."
  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 November 2015 13: 08 New
    0
    Naturally, we knock down everything that does not crawl. And generally approaching the border. And there is no need to hope. And the warhead of the Triumph missiles is such that everything that remains of the aircraft together with the pilot can be collected in a scoop. So "launch", we look forward to it. And in the forefront, launch those heroes who fired at Sushka.
  25. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 November 2015 13: 10 New
    +1
    According to Erdogan, regardless of where the Turkish plane will be shot down, this will be regarded as an act of aggression against Turkey.


    Here is the dog, it means they can fly where they want?
    Try it and find out what C-400 really is!
    1. Alexanast
      Alexanast 27 November 2015 13: 49 New
      +7
      Why do you offend a noble animal. What a dog he is he does not look like a goat.
  26. askort154
    askort154 27 November 2015 13: 11 New
    0
    The rooster fluffed up its tail. And if I received an instant response, I would chew
    Saakashvili tie. Now you will be cuckling, realizing that we are connected.
  27. Signal
    Signal 27 November 2015 13: 11 New
    0
    Hall. ... you have a red one, Erdogan. As red as your flag.
  28. IGMIT
    IGMIT 27 November 2015 13: 12 New
    0
    Yes, how to spoil them eagles, almost immediately into the bushes. In a word .
  29. amba balamut 77
    amba balamut 77 27 November 2015 13: 12 New
    0
    Let them fly. Let the whole squadron of which was f-16 fly to Syria, which has flunked ours. She feels a mongrel whom she raised, and now Satsa has started, Erdogan is a female dog.
  30. bad
    bad 27 November 2015 13: 12 New
    -1
    Quote: Scandinavian
    and where to read? throw a link?
    ... you can see .. https://youtu.be/TokkUZPp8hU here is also https://youtu.be/eFFY9ZoUtWI
    1. sined0707
      sined0707 27 November 2015 15: 12 New
      0
      this link is not working
  31. Urals
    Urals 27 November 2015 13: 12 New
    +1
    What did Yaytsenyuk bite him?
  32. red_october
    red_october 27 November 2015 13: 14 New
    +1
    According to Erdogan, regardless of where the Turkish plane will be shot down, this will be regarded as an act of aggression against Turkey.

    Erdogan's words do not interest at least 140 million people in the world
  33. pts-m
    pts-m 27 November 2015 13: 14 New
    0
    as in a joke ... a man comes home, and his woman’s lover shmyrg under the bed and quietly sniffs, and the little guy looks in there and says how loudly you screamed when you were lying on m..ke ... and this is an unfinished Turk mooing after the appearance of s-300-400.
  34. Baloo
    Baloo 27 November 2015 13: 14 New
    +1
    Let him declare in his toilet. Warned once and enough.
    No need to climb into our clearing, shoot.
  35. press officer
    press officer 27 November 2015 13: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Petrof
    if the straits are closed, the supply of our group will be interrupted
    bypassing through Europe is expensive and long, the hybrid can also be blocked
    probably through Iran, but already in Iraq - ISIS
    possible by air but expensive and Americans can block the air way

    what then?
    just declare that if the straits are closed, then they will play in local fallout in reality


    NEVER MIND! They can close only by declaring US WAR!
  36. pexotinec
    pexotinec 27 November 2015 13: 15 New
    0
    He also probably began to consider himself exceptional.
  37. sh0o
    sh0o 27 November 2015 13: 15 New
    +1
    Reminds ravings of Ukrainian politicians ...
  38. Arkan
    Arkan 27 November 2015 13: 15 New
    0
    Look, the homemade janissary has been crowed! I do not think that the Turkish air force will risk approaching the border of Syria, knowing that our air defense systems will "sulk" them.
  39. BNM
    BNM 27 November 2015 13: 17 New
    +2
    Yeah, as they are shopping malls have the right to defend their borders, but as Syria, maybe you want to fly and fly over Syria. Sychat has all the accidents; Syria has the same right as any state to protect its border and Syria will defend this right with the help of the S-300 and S-400 yes
  40. bad
    bad 27 November 2015 13: 18 New
    0
    Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
    Why bother about it? Fly in, and we'll see. Here are just a desire to fly over Syria clearly diminished. The point is that it is not iron. Scare Russia to paint the sky.
    ... heh .. it’s one thing to speak from the rostrum, and another thing is to sit in the f-16 cockpit .. laughing feel the difference .. laughing
  41. rusaiaiBishkek
    rusaiaiBishkek 27 November 2015 13: 18 New
    0
    need to take the straits from the Turks. and why divide it into parts. throw off the humanitarian aid to the Kurds.
  42. for_White_Only
    for_White_Only 27 November 2015 13: 18 New
    +1
    It would be necessary to bring down, let's see what he will do) it seems to me that there will be only Turkish crying and howling, one more plane will not be shot down, the intestines are thin
  43. skrabplus.ru
    skrabplus.ru 27 November 2015 13: 19 New
    +1
    Syrian President Erdogan
    So far, the President of Syria B.ASAD !!!
    And while Erdogan Turkey prezik
  44. Kir1984
    Kir1984 27 November 2015 13: 19 New
    +3
    Crazy some week
  45. Engineer
    Engineer 27 November 2015 13: 19 New
    +1
    Yes, the company of the son of President Erdogan - Tayyip Erdogan, our VKS caused serious damage by bombing half a thousand of its oil tankers.
  46. sergej30003
    sergej30003 27 November 2015 13: 20 New
    +1
    There is international law, for all states, that the intersection of state. border without permission from the Syrian government is an act of aggression, fly over Turkey and sleep peacefully, no one is inviting you there
  47. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 27 November 2015 13: 21 New
    0
    It’s not cold or hot for us from these perceptions! As they say there is nothing bare heel to jump on a saber!
  48. Siberia
    Siberia 27 November 2015 13: 23 New
    +1
    I applaud standing to our Foreign Ministry and keep it up! Anyone who has not seen watching Statement by Maria Zakharova (Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation) dated 26.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX in particular, the Turkish question starts at 14:30 p.m. and at the end, when the questions of those present go from 1:05:45 https://russian.rt.com/article/132851
    Our Foreign Ministry is doing the right thing - it is necessary to further increase our efforts in this direction many times over! To all deaf and blind in the world to carry the womb truth and talk about it everywhere, at all international venues, to ask extremely uncomfortable questions of. representatives of other countries and require them to answer questions.
    Ps: we are waiting soon for the bleating of the State Department and the Turkish Foreign Ministry to the questions asked by Zakharova)))
  49. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 27 November 2015 13: 24 New
    0
    while adding that such a blow will be considered by Turkey as an “act of aggression against its independence”

    So let him sit on the rail..e evenly and breathe through the times, who will then need him. Well, if, for example, he decides to rock it, then excuse me for having arrived, then for having arrived.
  50. Hiw
    Hiw 27 November 2015 13: 24 New
    0
    through the UN, just in case, a decision must be made that Turkey is a terrorist country. And the most important thing is not to get involved in an open conflict, this is what mattresses are trying to achieve, they must bring down our economy by any means necessary. Just keep crashing down the igil and oil flow to Turkey. But Turkish planes will shoot down by itself, they see an assault there or not, it certainly will not dare to open aggression against Russia
    1. HaKim
      HaKim 27 November 2015 15: 25 New
      0
      Quote: HIW
      through the UN, just in case, a decision must be made that Turkey is a terrorist country. And the most important thing is not to get involved in an open conflict, this is what mattresses are trying to achieve, they must bring down our economy by any means necessary. Just keep crashing down the igil and oil flow to Turkey. But Turkish planes will shoot down by itself, they see an assault there or not, it certainly will not dare to open aggression against Russia

      Against a nuclear power, I think I definitely will not trample) I agree with you what was said above)