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In Russia, the launcher for the Shtil-1 SAM system has been successfully tested

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During the state tests of the patrol ship "Admiral Grigorovich" (project 11356) in the Baltic Sea, the shooting was carried out from the Stil-1 air defense system, the resource reports i-mash.


In Russia, the launcher for the Shtil-1 SAM system has been successfully tested


The launcher of the complex, produced by NPP Start, of the Tekhnodinamika holding, successfully launched missiles from a ship.

“During the launches from the Shtil-1 anti-aircraft missile system, the launch complex worked properly in full compliance with the requirements. After completion of state tests and revision of the ship, the Naval flag will be hoisted on the Admiral Grigorovich TFR and the patrol ship will be part of the Black Sea fleet"- said in a statement.

In accordance with the contract, before the end of the year, two such installations will be handed over to the military. The “Calm-1” complexes are installed on the Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen TSSs, the first ships of the 11356 project.

“The launch complex 3С90Е.1 ZRK" Shtil-1 "is an innovative development of the enterprise" Start ". One of the advantages of the launcher is its modular construction. The product consists of modules of transport-launch containers (TLC) with rockets placed vertically below the carrier deck, which significantly reduced the ship’s radar visibility, ”the resource notes.

Depending on the configuration, “Calm-1” is capable of firing simultaneously from 2-x to 12 targets.

“The previous development -“ Shtil ”- was a good complex: compact, reliable. But its rate of fire did not exceed 5 starts per minute. That is, the rocket went to the target in 12 seconds, - said Vladimir Manko, the chief designer of the SPE “Start”. “The rate of fire of the new installation has increased six times: the launch of rockets can now be done every two seconds.”

Another advantage of the new installation is the ejection start. “A rocket thrown out by a special charge from TPK launches its engine at an altitude of about 30 meters, which excludes the effect of the jet of the engine on the launcher and other ship structures. This, in turn, increases ship fire safety, ”the designer explained.
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  1. fregina1
    fregina1 27 November 2015 12: 02
    +7
    Here you go! Give one set of Syria !!!!! They will attach to a corvetik or a frigate! And we will observe!
    1. Good me
      Good me 27 November 2015 12: 12
      +9
      Another advantage of the new installation is the ejection start. “A rocket thrown out by a special charge from TPK launches its engine at an altitude of about 30 meters, which excludes the effect of the jet of the engine on the launcher and other ship structures. This, in turn, increases ship fire safety, ”the designer explained.


      And to a small degree it exempts the crew from, frankly, the exhausting procedure of bringing the ship to a normal state after firing.
      1. opus
        opus 27 November 2015 14: 01
        +1
        Quote: Good Me
        , exhausting procedure to bring the ship to a normal state after firing.

        Nothing "relieves"
        Ship launcher ZS-90

        mechanism for supplying missiles to the beam launcher.

        1.Large ammunition: the location of the containers allows you to enter a fairly large number of missiles into a relatively small volume (When upgrading the project destroyer project 956, up to three modules of the new system can be placed in place of the M-22 Uragan missile system with a beam launcher after a minor refinement of the ship’s design Calm 1 " with a total ammunition of 36 missiles. In the case of the old SAM, only 24 SAMs are placed in the cellar volume)
        2.Fire rate of 1 xZUR in 2 seconds (Hurricane: 1 x12 sec)

        "Shtil-1" The launch of the second missile is allowed after the first one has left the ship at a distance of several tens of meters.
        3. By azimuth, finding a target in the 360gr sector.
        Hurricane ("Hedgehog") - restriction on a superstructure that covers the shooting sector


        MINUS:
        1. Carrier displacement from 1500 tons
        2. Slightly shorter range (launch angle)
        3. The minimum "depth" of the superstructure is from 7,4 meters.

        4. Slightly less restriction on excitement ("Hedgehog" / "Hurricane" - Shooting could be carried out in rough seas up to 5 points)
        ===============================
        and the "exhausting procedure" is almost the same here and there: pressing a button

        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 27 November 2015 19: 48
          0
          opus

          Slightly changed the concept of building naval formations. They created an anti-aircraft cover ship.

          A rocket launcher is a powerful thing.

          No maintenance by ship crew. All service by the manufacturer.
        2. Good me
          Good me 27 November 2015 23: 36
          0
          Quote: opus
          Nothing "relieves"


          Wait, wait ... From your comment, the answer to mine, it appears that the "catapult" launch does not in any way reduce the burning of the ship's superstructures in comparison with the "traditional" one?
          That is, turning on the rocket engine at an altitude of ± 30 m leads to the same burnout and crew confusion as starting from "0"?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 27 November 2015 12: 32
      +2
      What for? There is a ground-based version of this complex, though China has it.

      Actually, the development of SHTIL-1 and the new 9M317ME rocket itself was carried out under frigates of the 054A type with the money of China. The Hindus refused to finance the work and bought beam systems with old missiles.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 27 November 2015 12: 45
        +6
        there is an even more interesting development ...
        1. Good me
          Good me 27 November 2015 13: 15
          0
          Quote: PSih2097
          there is an even more interesting development ...


          Is this our "Knight"?
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 27 November 2015 12: 55
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        The Hindus refused to finance the work and bought beam systems with old missiles.

        And now they scratch their hands at the unfinished "admirals".
      3. DarkMatter
        DarkMatter 27 November 2015 13: 58
        0
        The Hindus refused to finance the work and bought beam systems with old missiles.


        So do Indians have 9M38M1E or 9M317E? And on 3 new Talvars, too, not new rockets? what
      4. opus
        opus 27 November 2015 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        What for? There is a ground-based version of this complex, though China has it.


        Do you think we don’t?

        SAM "Shtil-1" is almost a complete analogue of Buk-M2


        (except for the vertical launch and the radar of the PC, the tk is involved in the three-coordinate radar of the ship)



        Missiles practically unified (execution for an aggressive environment)




        HQ-16 ("Red Banner-16", export designation - LY-80) - a joint Sino-Russian project to modernize the 9K37M1-2 "Calm" medium-range calm air defense system based on the Buk-M2E

        The same HQ-16 with 4 radar MR090 is mounted on Type 054A-II.
    3. opus
      opus 27 November 2015 12: 42
      +1
      Quote: fregina1
      They will attach to a corvetik or a frigate! And we will observe!

      It would be good:

      But will not work

      the mass of ONE missile in a cell 3S90E.1 1hTPK) ......... 1024kg. (including missile 9M317ME = 581 kg)
      minimum section 12 TPK in the block

      those. about 13,5-14 tons

      But besides TPK, you need radar, power, control system, monitoring center, operators, etc.



      Syrian Navy (military, not including landing and support):
      2 patrol ships of project 159AE (one Al Hiras) (Displacement 938 tons (standard) 1077 tons (full))

      +
      -10-16 missile boats of project 205 (5 RCA of project 205U and 5 RCA of project 205ER) -Dumping 205 t


      you shouldn’t even write about these (below) ...
      -8 patrol boats of project 1400ME,
      -3 Iranian-built Tyr patrol boats
      ================================================== ======
      The complex is being established on ships with a displacement of 1500 tons
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 27 November 2015 12: 51
      +7
      Eh, if the test were either in the Black or in the Mediterranean, they would have scratched the turnips then.
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz 27 November 2015 13: 43
      +1
      Good news. There will be a present for our Turkish "friends".
  2. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 27 November 2015 12: 02
    +6
    "After the completion of state tests and revision of the ship, the Navy flag will be raised at the Admiral Grigorovich TFR and the patrol ship will become part of the Black Sea Fleet," the message says.
    Black Sea Fleet is looking forward. Especially now
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 27 November 2015 12: 35
      +1
      Russia has many surprises in store.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 November 2015 12: 04
    +1
    Does she know how to launch "Caliber"? laughing And so, with such speed to shoot with serious missiles - how to launch fireworks.
    1. Taranchello
      Taranchello 27 November 2015 12: 09
      0
      Of course he can, it's his main weapon ...
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 27 November 2015 12: 16
        +2
        Ekarny babay! Citizens! SAM! "I repeat - sight for the tank!" laughing
        1. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 27 November 2015 13: 36
          0
          Quote: KBR109
          Ekarny babay! Citizens! SAM! "I repeat - sight for the tank!" laughing

          .... radio station - on an armored train!
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 29 November 2015 22: 58
        -1
        Do not make me laugh.
    2. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 27 November 2015 12: 13
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Does she know how to launch "Caliber"?

      Armament includes 8 vertical launchers (TLU) complex "Onyx" or "Caliber-NK", missiles which can hit surface, coastal and underwater targets, as well as automatic universal 100 mm artillery. The defensive arsenal consists of 36 missiles of the Shtil-1 SAM system at the TLU, two AK-630М installations. Anti-submarine and anti-torpedo protection is provided by two twin-tube 533 mm torpedo tubes and RBU-6000.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 29 November 2015 23: 01
        0
        On frigates not 36, but 24 Shtil-1 rockets.
        However, a mistake is common due to left models in the internet. Photos of real ships all put in place.
    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 27 November 2015 12: 20
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Does she know how to launch "Caliber"?

      No.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 27 November 2015 12: 39
        +3
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Does she know how to launch "Caliber"?

        No.

        The system is not.
        Ship - yes.

        Patrol ships of the project 11356.
        Armament includes 8 vertical launchers (TLU) complex "Onyx" or "Caliber-NK"
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 27 November 2015 19: 52
        0
        Mera juta

        It is wise to create a single platform. Only change blocks according to need.
  4. engineer74
    engineer74 27 November 2015 12: 06
    +3
    SAM - our everything !!! Congratulations to NPP "Start" with successful tests! good
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  6. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 27 November 2015 12: 08
    +2
    Launched in the direction of the enemy ship and after a while the full calm)))
    1. opus
      opus 27 November 2015 12: 55
      0
      Quote: Vladimir71
      Launched in the direction of the enemy ship and after a while the full calm)))

      this is an air defense system !!!
      The minimum height of the target being hit is 5 m, the range is 8 km and the speed of the target is at least (if I'm not mistaken) 70m / s


      WHICH enemy SHIP is "walking" 5 meters from the surface of the water and at a speed of 110 knots?
      1. stas132
        stas132 27 November 2015 13: 03
        0
        There are add-ons and taller than 5 meters, and the rodent boat seems to have also fallen from air defense systems. No?
        1. opus
          opus 27 November 2015 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: stas132
          There are add-ons and higher than 5 meters,

          but the superstructures do not "move" in a nodal way.
          (the point here is not "higher" - the missile does not care, and in radar target illumination)


          Quote: stas132
          and the rodent boat, too, seems to have withered from the air defense system. No?


          1. News wrote that the boat “Tbilisi” was hit by a hit two anti-ship missiles P-120 Malachite

          from 500 kg warhead P-120 (all the more so 2x) from the project 206-MR (257 tons vi) there would be nothing left at all


          2. Someone wrote about the Wasp air defense system (radio command guidance)

          Mammoths are often mistaken (education is wrong)
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 27 November 2015 19: 55
        +1
        opus

        On tanks even 75 complex could shoot under certain conditions.

        Recently, developers have sought to gain the versatility of ammunition to work on various purposes.
  7. Zubr
    Zubr 27 November 2015 12: 08
    +6
    Shtil-1 air defense missile defense system (GRAU index - 3С90Э.1 (launcher)) - a multi-channel ship-based anti-aircraft missile system with vertical launch. Designed to carry out the defense of the ship against all means of air attack, including to repel massive missile and air attacks; as well as for striking ground and surface targets.

    smile Well, ours, as usual, anti-aircraft guns on ships and ground targets.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 27 November 2015 12: 11
      +7
      Quote: Zubr


      smile Well, ours, as usual, anti-aircraft guns on ships and ground targets.

      Better than a torpedo on planes! laughing
      1. belij
        belij 27 November 2015 12: 41
        +2
        The fact is that the reaction time of SAM systems is shorter than that of the RCC complex. Therefore, while they are preparing anti-ship missile systems, air defense systems can already fire at surface targets.
        1. opus
          opus 27 November 2015 14: 34
          0
          Quote: belij
          The fact is that the reaction time of SAM systems is shorter than that of the RCC complex.

          Yes you?
          And why not?


          so for reference:
          - at the anti-ship missile launcher ARGSN (anti-ship missile launcher fires a volley into the sector, where the ARGSN captures the target, the introduction of the defense takes less than a minute)
          -u 9M317
          1.Semiactive Doppler homing radar head (GOS) 9E420

          or
          2. Monopulse Doppler active homing radar
          (ARGSN) 9B-1103M

          Provide for:
          search, capture and escort moving goals for preliminary target designation of radar air carriers or anti-aircraft systems,
          measurement of angular coordinates, angular velocities of targets and the velocity of approach of a target rocket,
          generation and transmission of digital signals for rocket control systems

          both there and there: the method of proportional navigation (NOT RADIO-TEAM)

          The CWG antenna, before the target is captured by the homing radar when the missile is located on the launcher, is aimed at the target by targeting data coming from the digital air defense system of the air defense system through the detachable rocket connector.

          Quote: belij
          Therefore, while they are preparing anti-ship missile systems, air defense systems can already fire at surface targets.

          the main thing is that the Russian Orthodox Church should be able to "capture" and build a surface target.

          Radar seeker "Doppler", limitation of target altitude 5 m
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 27 November 2015 20: 02
            0
            opus

            What about a duplicate, albeit less selective, target capture channel? Let's say in the radius of the reaction of the rocket by the time the correction was made at the rate, on approach to the target.
            1. opus
              opus 27 November 2015 21: 48
              +1
              Quote: gladcu2
              What about a duplicate, albeit less selective, target capture channel? WITH

              and he is?

              Receiving channel. Main purpose:
              • reception of high-frequency signals reflected from the target, offset in frequency by the magnitude of the Doppler shift relative to the frequency of the transmitter of the backlight station, and the conversion of these signals into intermediate frequency signals with subsequent narrow-band amplification;
              • receiving, converting and amplifying the direct signal of the transmitter of the backlight station to use it as a reference signal for isolating the Doppler frequency signal and isolating and processing the frequency-modulated signal;
              • search and capture of the target signal by the Doppler frequency and tracking its change, ie for a change in the speed of approach of the rocket with the goal
              • issuing voltage of the error signal to the channel of the angular tracking;
              • recognition of a signal of a noise source of self-covering noise and issuing a command “Setting interference” (“PP1”);
              • issuing the command “CAPTURE BY FREQUENCY” (“SP”) when capturing a target.
              The signal reflected from the target, having a Doppler frequency shift relative to the frequency of the transmitter of the backlight station, is received by the head antenna, which has three input channels: total and two difference (azimuthal and angular).

              Channel on-board computer and the formation of radio commands.
              The on-board computer (BV) is designed to receive and process the flight mission transmitted to the rocket from the launcher.
              In target designation mode, when a rocket is on the launcher, the BV receives information generated by computing means and hardware of the starting automation. The transmitted information characterizes the parameters of the target and the launch conditions and is carried out by a pulse-serial code.
              After the missile leaves the launcher, the on-board computer evaluates the current
              the range “rocket - target”, the current speed of the rocket, the current values ​​of the components of the angular velocity of the line of sight in the antenna coordinate system.
    2. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 27 November 2015 12: 36
      0
      No matter what. The main thing is that according to adversaries. Well done boys! Create this! Super!
    3. Izotovp
      Izotovp 27 November 2015 16: 10
      0
      Unification is a great thing !!! And if the guidance system allows and the image of the target is clogged, then why not?
  8. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 27 November 2015 12: 09
    +4
    What a name - "Calm"!
    Once again I am convinced of the tremendous sense of humor of our people!
    - "After work" Calm "- always calm!"
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 27 November 2015 12: 19
      +3
      Quote: Mihalich17
      "After work" Calm "- always calm!"

      More precisely, after the Storm (starts, firing explosions) comes Calm ... (quiet. Smooth surface and floating debris).
      1. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 27 November 2015 12: 38
        +1
        Such calm will calm a strong storm.
  9. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 27 November 2015 12: 10
    10
    12 transport and launch containers - And if a barrel is rolled on you, then this is container shipping!
  10. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 27 November 2015 12: 10
    +2
    Another little surprise for overseas and not only "friends." Maybe someday nanotechnology will reach guided bullets? He released a horn or as if a DJ played his new disc and each bullet found its own "hero" - that's great! wassat
  11. sa-zz
    sa-zz 27 November 2015 12: 11
    +1
    "Calm" - what an informative (for the enemy) and beautiful name.
  12. Taranchello
    Taranchello 27 November 2015 12: 12
    +1
    Everything is fine, of course, but it’s a pity that the engines now have trouble in this wonderful Admiral series, which Ukrainians delivered to us ...
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 27 November 2015 12: 28
      +1
      Quote: Taranchello
      but it’s a pity that the engines now have trouble in this wonderful Admiral series, which Ukrainians delivered to us ...

      moreover, the article was that China now has engines to replace Urkain.
      1. TVM - 75
        TVM - 75 27 November 2015 12: 38
        0
        And there they will mature. We must work and everything will be!
      2. goose
        goose 27 November 2015 16: 02
        0
        Quote: Scoun
        moreover, the article was that China now has engines to replace Urkain.

        In Ukraine, there was only production in the USSR, design bureaus remained in Russia, it seems like from 2017 in Rybinsk the production of large ship power plants will be established.
  13. Rosty
    Rosty 27 November 2015 12: 12
    +1
    More air defense systems, good and different! Moreover, not really, or not only anti-aircraft.
  14. Zubr
    Zubr 27 November 2015 12: 12
    +2
    Quote: fregina1
    Here you go! Give one set of Syria !!!!! They will attach to a corvetik or a frigate! And we will observe!


    Not not, the complex is brand new (it’s better to overstay than to overstay), I understand perfectly what is needed, but a little later, as we clean up the dirt there, but for now we ourselves with a mustache .. hi
  15. Legionista
    Legionista 27 November 2015 12: 17
    +8
    We can and are building modern, well-armed ships. This is a fact. Often you can hear opinions about the importance of the straits controlled by Turkey. Undoubtedly, for the commercial fleet they play the most important value, as they did a hundred and a thousand years ago. In the military aspect of the importance of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, one can, if not doubt, then think for sure. Modern ships use rocket weapons, they, in fact, do not care where to shoot from the Black Sea, from the Caspian Sea, or, for a moment, fantasize, from the Persian Gulf. By the way, Americans freely enter the Black Sea, why not, for example, begin to regularly visit the Persian Gulf with Iranian friendly visits? Show, so to speak, life-size, than we fired from the Caspian there))). well, actually, let our marines eat fruit, get used to the climate, hehe, Honneur et Fidelite.
    1. max702
      max702 27 November 2015 14: 36
      0
      From the point of view of the strike component, the Navy is gradually losing its relevance, missile technology has taken a huge step forward, its size, mass, and range make it possible to almost completely install this component on aviation .. Which is much cheaper and allows you to more quickly respond to all kinds of situations and threats. . in the future, everything will shift to the space region, as soon as the cost of putting kg payload into orbit is reduced, all the shock platforms will move into space. There, the reaction rate to a particular threat will be measured in minutes, especially with the development of hypersonic technologies.
  16. Mr shrek
    Mr shrek 27 November 2015 12: 18
    +2
    Great news smile
  17. amba balamut 77
    amba balamut 77 27 November 2015 12: 20
    +1
    Who knows why they opted for the 630s. Why not a Duet, not a Broadsword?
    1. belij
      belij 27 November 2015 12: 42
      0
      The price is likely
      1. amba balamut 77
        amba balamut 77 27 November 2015 13: 02
        +1
        If you're right, then it's rubbish. For such savings, you can pay a lot. As history shows, a fleet with a small number of pennants cannot afford an average state. We need the best possible technology and people.
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  18. Aroma77
    Aroma77 27 November 2015 12: 21
    +2
    This is good. Now the honeycomb structure of the air defense system will be much more compact and accordingly we will place more shells, plus there is no such risk as a drum breakdown. This is replacing FORTS.
  19. AlexTires
    AlexTires 27 November 2015 12: 22
    19
    Wildly sorry for the off-top: Our first apologies to Erdogan for the downed Su-24 good
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 27 November 2015 12: 30
      +4
      Wildly sorry for the off-top: Our first apologies to Erdogan for the downed Su-24


      Fly doves, fly cute !!! love
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    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 27 November 2015 12: 39
      -7
      Quote: AlexTires
      Our first apologies to Erdogan for the downed Su-24

      Adequate answer ... They mean the plane was shot down, and we have art painting on missiles ....
      I wonder when he will sit down with this rocket back to the airfield.
      forgive us Volodya, I couldn’t ...
  20. indiggo
    indiggo 27 November 2015 12: 30
    0
    it is necessary to develop a universal launch system .. it seems that on the basis of UKKS there is an option to create a UVUP. if you're lucky already on Nakhimov we will see this miracle ..
  21. Mera joota
    Mera joota 27 November 2015 12: 33
    +3
    Another advantage of the new installation is the ejection start. “A rocket thrown out by a special charge from TPK launches its engine at an altitude of about 30 meters, which excludes the effect of the jet of the engine on the launcher and other ship structures. This, in turn, increases ship fire safety, ”the designer explained.

    A rather controversial statement. An ejection launch does not allow a universal UVP to launch the entire range of missiles, as for example the Mk.41 with a hot start.
    With regards to fire safety. With a hot start, the risk of fire is, on the contrary, less. Hot gases are vented through a special window and can’t set fire to anything (unless you stand above it at launch); if a rocket fails at launch, it remains in its container. If, on a catapult launch, the main engine does not work, then the rocket can plop down onto the deck, and there it will lie down like a chip, it can start from an impact and cause trouble. I don’t know if this happened on the fleet, but on the S-300 this happened, after leaving the container the engine did not start and the rocket fell on the launcher.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 27 November 2015 12: 41
      +1
      It used to be there a tap was made to the side, so it falls next to the side.

      As for the type of launch, the Americans initially developed the rocket and MK41 for a hot start. It's a little different, having extensive experience in ejection launches, a rocket that needs to be seriously modified for a hot start and fairly limited money (the system was developed back in the 90, the PLA gave it life in metal, having paid the necessary to complete development and testing, in exchange for licenses for the rocket, the system itself, control points and launch - now they only buy the Frigate-MA of the latest modifications and the small parts, they do the rest themselves, and they collect the ground HQ-16 on 100%) made an ejection start.
    2. belij
      belij 27 November 2015 12: 44
      +2
      PAD diverts a rocket at launch
      1. opus
        opus 27 November 2015 21: 59
        +1
        Quote: belij
        PAD diverts a rocket at launch

        1. There is no PAD in the 9M317M (E) missile

        mk is not geometrical UVPK (this is not your ICBM mine)


        missile powder catapult

        modification of this



        2. The device for turning to the target during vertical launch is located in the SAM itself, the powder catapult has nothing to do with the "diversion"
    3. Falcon
      Falcon 27 November 2015 14: 28
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      . An ejection launch does not allow a universal UVP to be launched to launch the entire range of missiles, as for example the Mk.41 with a hot start.


      So Zs-14, can provide both a hot and ejection start

      1. opus
        opus 27 November 2015 22: 07
        +1
        Quote: Falcon
        So Zs-14, can provide both a hot and ejection start

        can not
        1. Tk makes no sense




        2. There is no cooling, as in MK.41, there is no irrigation valve system in the upper part for supplying water to the warhead if it needs to be cooled, there are no plugs protecting the container from the shock wave that occurs when an adjacent missile is launched, it does not withstand 2.7 atm pressure.




        Why strain?

        If we DO NOT!
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 28 November 2015 08: 50
          0
          Quote: opus
          can not
          1. Tk makes no sense


          I do not understand this.

          How then will all Caliber rockets launch? They have the same solid fuel accelerator, which takes it out of the PU? there is no catapult launch.

          The possibility of a catapult launch - shown in the figure:



          The second launcher on the left is equipped with a catapult, the rest in this figure should start by means of a solid fuel accelerator.



          And SHO is this garbage on the side then?
          Does she fit in TPK? there and so the diameter of the P-800 on the aisle 720mm?
          And what for is the air intake closed?


          So of course not.

          there is less smoke from the accelerator.
          1. opus
            opus 28 November 2015 22: 15
            0
            Quote: Falcon
            They have the same solid fuel accelerator, which takes it out of the PU?

            and the case of calibers is not turbofan? with scanty traction (he will not withdraw from the TPK KR)
            the solid propellant pusher in traction (P and T) cannot be compared with the sm-3 marshavik
            Quote: Falcon
            And SHO is this garbage on the side then?

            powder catapult

            Quote: Falcon
            And what for is the air intake closed?

            why open it?

            before speeding up, how dviglo will start
            Quote: Falcon
            start by solid propellant accelerator.

            but this is not a hot siart.
            we have it like this: poplar, and iskander and c-300 / 400 ... and 500 will be
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 28 November 2015 22: 56
              0
              Quote: opus
              but this is not a hot siart.
              we have it like this: poplar, and iskander and c-300 / 400 ... and 500 will be


              How is that?
              Iskander generally starts immediately. C-300 / 400 is all a catapult. No one has a powder accelerator, except for calibers.

              Quote: opus
              powder catapult


              By the way, should it work on video? It turns out the main solid fuel accelerator turns on when the rocket goes into horizontal position (approximately)? I mean with regards to this video?
              1. opus
                opus 29 November 2015 18: 51
                +1
                Quote: Falcon
                Iskander starts immediately

                SPU 9P78-1 / 9P78-1E (and any other) is not a pencil case, not a TPK, nothing prevents the jet from spreading HERE, where there is less resistance



                Will be with the ship's PU (TPK) will be the PAD (PC is unlikely to throw a heavy 9M723 from the TPK

                Quote: Falcon
                S-300/400 is all catapult.

                What am I talking about?

                Quote: opus
                powder catapult


                It can be seen:

                Or is it a catapult?

                wink
                Quote: Falcon
                goes into horizontal position (approximately)? I mean with regards to this video?

                starting booster stage





                she begins to work already in the vertical, after leaving the TPK.
                The dovor device provides access to the horizontal (it does not interfere with one another), the diffuser cap is reset, the speed is set-off
                ===============================
                PS from the PC for 3M55E I seem to be mistaken.
                Marine land version without a powder catapult, there the booster stage does everything.
                PC for airbase (no overclocking stage)
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 29 November 2015 19: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: opus
                  she begins to work already in the vertical, after leaving the TPK.


                  It is interesting then - it then, obviously, increases traction. Although still direct-flow can not turn on? Low pressure speed will not be necessary ...



                  Quote: opus
                  PS from the PC for 3M55E I seem to be mistaken.
                  Marine land version without a powder catapult, there the booster stage does everything.


                  So on calibers - not a catapult. A starting booster stage. It is clear that not like Sm-3's power, but nonetheless
                  1. opus
                    opus 29 November 2015 19: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: Falcon
                    It is interesting then - it then, obviously, increases traction

                    The thrust of the turbojet engine is directly proportional to the combustion area of ​​the turbojet engine (ceteris paribus: T, P, burning rate, etc.)

                    And then the MB is not a cylinder (in cross section) but an asterisk.

                    Or by adjusting the critical section of the nozzle (for example, by the central body).
                    At all
                    Thrust regulation of solid propellant rocket motors is possible by changing the area of ​​the critical section of the nozzle, the burning rate of the fuel, the area of ​​the burning surface, layers of fuel with different energies, as well as using combined circuits

                    =============
                    about calibers yes. they have a turbojet engine.
                    A catapult is used in SAM with a turbojet engine (Buki for example)
                    1. Falcon
                      Falcon 29 November 2015 20: 39
                      0
                      Quote: opus
                      counting calibers yes. they have a turbojet engine.
                      A catapult is used in SAM with a turbojet engine (Buki for example)


                      What is interesting - where do the exhausts go?
                      It turns out TPK should be airtight?
              2. opus
                opus 29 November 2015 20: 39
                +1
                Quote: Falcon
                S-300/400 is all catapult.

                A lot of problems were associated with ensuring the launch of the rocket from the container. In the early stages, containers with a blank bottom were offered, of which the missiles started on their own engine. But at the same time, a possible explosion of the starting engine threatened with tragic consequences, especially severe in ship conditions. In August 1972, after several dozen trials, on the initiative of the Fakel, this scheme was abandoned.
                The option of a mortar launch was also worked out with the release of SAMs by the pressure of the combustion products of the powder pressure accumulator (PAD) and starting the engine at an altitude of 5 ... 10 m above the upper cut of the container. In this embodiment, a shutter (piston) was used, moving with a SAM installed on it. A special container was developed for the naval air defense system, in the upper part of which the shutter was braked so as not to damage the deck superstructures. This container turned out to be complicated and expensive.
                Ultimately, for the S-300P and S-300F systems, by 1979 a method was developed for ejecting a rocket from a TPK using an ejection device, involved in the supply of combustion products PAD and consisting of 2 gas cylinders with rod rods connected under the rocket tray.
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 29 November 2015 20: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: opus
                  which was an 2 gas cylinder with rod rods connected under a missile tray.


                  This is the stock

                  1. opus
                    opus 29 November 2015 22: 16
                    +1
                    after all, you’ll get to the bottom ....

                    SAM "Crotale-N-NG" in TPK.
                    Joint project of MKB "Fakel" and France to create a vertical launch TPK for the Crotale-Navale-New Generation (Nouvelle Generation) air defense ship complex.
  22. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 27 November 2015 12: 39
    +1
    More "goods", good and necessary!
  23. van zai
    van zai 27 November 2015 12: 52
    -3
    It is high time! But I will "omit" "Urya-patriots" a little. The more advanced Mk-41 was adopted by the US Navy back in 1986. At present, she is equipped with a "cloud" of ships from different countries. This I mean that now comments will pour in: "has no analogues!" You have to be more objective.
    And the news is good, sorry that belated. About 30 years old.
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 November 2015 13: 30
    +1
    I have long been waiting for the appearance of this air defense in the gland.
    Now I would still have C-350 to wait in the iron in the series.
  25. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 27 November 2015 14: 00
    0
    Broadsword at 11356 did not seem to put?
  26. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 27 November 2015 14: 10
    0
    More positive to the masses! :)
  27. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 27 November 2015 14: 40
    0
    Great news!!!!!!!!!
  28. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 November 2015 14: 41
    0
    Great, or rather, finally.)
  29. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 27 November 2015 15: 15
    0
    "Another advantage of the new installation is the ejection launch." The rocket ejected by a special charge from the TPK launches its engine at a height of about 30 meters, which excludes the influence of the engine jet on the launcher and other ship structures. "

    And the effect of the jet on the rockets starting further? Still 2 seconds.
  30. JD1979
    JD1979 27 November 2015 15: 19
    +1
    Quote: fregina1
    Here you go! Give one set of Syria !!!!! They will attach to a corvetik or a frigate! And we will observe!


    the first comment to the article, which, based on the content, suggests itself "first on ..". Give a bunch of "!!!!" Whom to give? Are there ships suitable for this? are there people who know how to work with this type of complex? And what do you want to give so much? Do you have a surplus or have nowhere to put money? Something I do not observe either the first or the second. Nobody has ever given us anything for nothing.
  31. Old26
    Old26 27 November 2015 17: 23
    -2
    Quote: fregina1
    Here you go! Give one set of Syria !!!!! They will attach to a corvetik or a frigate! And we will observe!

    Do you want their corvette to make a bulb? You are a sadist, my friend. And to adapt to a non-existing frigate is also very important.
  32. Old26
    Old26 27 November 2015 22: 40
    0
    Oh, an expert was found, put a minus. Minus one, and do you even know what the Syrian fleet is? If not, I’ll say it. That she has 2 corvettes with a displacement of 950 tons. There is nowhere to put a vertical launcher there. Not to mention that it is designed for ships of greater displacement. Draft (on design waterline) 2,5 meters. О To place this launcher, you need a height, at least with a superstructure - 7 meters. so teach the materiel before putting the cons, expert. Or build a frigate on your money, give it to Syria, and then ask them to give them a launcher ...
  33. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 6 November 2018 11: 47
    0
    It remains only to be happy for the military. An ejection rocket launch looks great.
  34. Angry
    Angry 12 December 2018 11: 54
    0
    Calm urgently needs a new rocket! Thin! Which we could insert into the cells in blocks (clips) of 4 zur. Even with a shorter range, there should be a lot of them. Look at the Chinese 055 where are the "skinny" DK-10 zurs? 200 !!!! pieces. With a range of up to 50 km. And they, the Chinese, took our plane in P-77, put it on the launch pad and got their ESSM! What's stopping us? And Redutov's zurs 9m96 with a case diameter of 273 mm are too "thick" .... For a 9m96, in order to link in blocks of 4 zurs, you need to change the VPU ... with a larger cell. Or, too, to invent a new "thin" zur for the existing VPU 3S97.