Su-24 and casus belli

History with the attack on the Su-24 is indicative in all respects. The point is not even that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated that Su-24 did not violate the airspace of Turkey, and in this case it can be trusted. How can you believe in the fact that the Turks invaded Syria to attack Russian aircraft. According to Ankara, the attack was made when the Su-24 crossed a small border protrusion a little more than three kilometers wide. You do not need to be an expert in the field of air defense (and the author of the text, although a little, but served in the air defense), to understand that Turkey could not raise the duty link immediately, at the time of the border violation. Consequently, our pilots were waiting in advance. By the way, for the same reason, there can be no talk of any 10 warnings that the Turks allegedly transmitted to the Su-24 crew. During the time during which the Russian aircraft crossed the "protrusion", one could not really pronounce one warning. The speed with which the video from the scene hit the Turkish TV channels is also striking.

So, we definitely have a provocation. Provocation focused and well thought out. It is necessary to clearly understand the rules of the game. If now you don’t answer with the utmost harshness, then tomorrow the Russian military plane will bring, for example, Sweden. And everyone will declare the protection of their territory if they know that the Russians are lowering it. The official position of Moscow will look unattractive in the eyes of not only the world community, but also its own citizens - you can't even say which is more dangerous from this.

Soft answer

The rupture of diplomatic relations with Turkey. Confiscation of all Turkish assets, public and private in the territory of the Russian Federation. All Kurdish rebel movements are immediately recognized as national liberation, and Turkish Kurdistan is an occupied territory. Of course, all joint projects are frozen indefinitely. This is the minimum of what the leadership of the Russian Federation should do if it wants to continue to be considered legitimate.

Moderately hard answer

It provides for all the above measures, plus some more, mainly of a forceful nature. In particular, the destruction of one or more military aircraft in Turkey or a warship or the attack of a crowd of unknown "furious citizens" at the Turkish embassy in Moscow. The strike on the Turkish air base "Caliber" also does not look like a disproportionate response. But the blow should be delivered right now, and not in a month or in half a year. By the way, if necessary, the Black Sea Fleet can be strengthened by ships of the Caspian flotillathat will freely pass along the Volga-Don canal.

Other suitable targets are the naval bases of the Turkish Navy on the Black Sea, Sinop and Samsun, where, with a strong desire, you can arrange a local reconstruction of Pearl Harbor.

Extremely hard answer

The evacuation of all diplomatic personnel and all Russian citizens from Turkey in general, who will agree to leave this country and the final decision by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation, the Turkish issue, after which the army of Greece, Armenia and the Kurds will finish the job.

Help NATO say? And who, in fact, will have to be helped by NATO if Turkey disappears as a state and nation in radioactive fire? Disappear, not having time to ask for help, and if he has time, then what a madman will dare to help her in this situation?

Proponents of the hard line in the Kremlin while clearly not in the majority. So, the Kiev authorities, who committed the genocide of the Russian-speaking population in the Donbas and bombarded the Rostov region, suddenly became “partners” worthy of comprehensive economic support. Qatar, which, according to experts in the Middle East, is behind the A-321 terrorist attack, instead of being hit by Caliber missiles, received ... information about the actions of the Russian Federation against the IG, which was transferred by Moscow to the antiterrorist center of the American coalition in the emirate. There is a good chance that it will be the same with Turkey. "Partnerships" are increasingly bizarre in our foreign policy.

24 November, President Putin called Turkey an accomplice of terrorists. These are the right words. There is a very fragile hope that concrete military actions will finally follow. For the alternative is known.

Instead of an afterword. The only real military response that Moscow has undertaken on the evening of November 24: the Moscow cruiser with the C-300 naval version of the Fort (target destruction range to 200 km) will now act as a floating air defense battery. In addition, the Russian base in Syria has its own air defense system, including C-400 complexes. The fighter group, according to open data, consists of 4 Su-30CM and 4 Su-27CM. It is intended to destroy any air targets that pose a threat.

Comments

[VNP1958PVN]

The evacuation of all diplomatic personnel and all Russian citizens from Turkey in general, who will agree to leave this country and the final decision by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation, the Turkish issue, after which the army of Greece, Armenia and the Kurds will finish the job.

There’s no reason to rave, for this there are enough specialists overseas!

[Cappit]

This is not nonsense. This is a provocation!

[Sakhalininsk]

I agree. Extremely tough answer, it’s an overdose and frank.
But to arrange a no-fly zone in Turkey and recognize an independent Kurdistan would be in the hole so to speak!
It is necessary to resurrect the genetic memory in the descendants of the Janissaries so that for another hundred years they sit on the fifth point evenly, evenly, and send the whole alarmed and agitated brazen-Saxon regional committee in a non-trivial direction.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Bust through the full program. Some kind of nonsense. Nuclear desert on the site of Turkey ...

Quote: Sakhalininets

But to arrange a no-fly zone on Turkey

Um ... also, as it were, without UN sanction is unreal. In Syria, please.

Quote: Sakhalininets

recognize independent kurdistan

Don't even admit it, just start "helping with humanitarian aid" - I don't know what is worse for the Turks. Kurdistan is a club over Erdogan's head.

[Falcon]

The answer of course should be, but what the author wrote is already a chapel

[krot]

The emotional part of me, I think, like most Russians, is for a rather tough answer, but emotions need to be extinguished when playing chess. And this is in some way chess! Just do not associate with the victims on the chessboard the death of a Russian pilot and paratrooper! They are not pawns!

[aleksey980]

Quote: Falcon

The answer of course should be, but what the author wrote is already a chapel

A bit wrong. This is chaos.

[xtur]

I have always believed that this author is from outside the site, but judging by the fact that the article is original, the author is from our site.
what nickname does Igor Kabardin have on our forum?

Is there any search mechanism by nickname and first name, surname, if they are indicated in the profile?

[xtur]

the most important aspect of Russian-Turkish relations not listed by the author is Armenia. The last time a Russian pilot flew to Turkey, the Turks violated the Armenian border in the Armavir region, where the ANPP is located, there are several tens of kilometers between them
So the Turks clearly showed what they consider the weak spot of the Russian Federation and where they will beat. And the fact that the Turks are quite capable of producing a new genocide at the same time, there is no doubt that they will have no other chance to solve the Armenian issue in the foreseeable future. And I don’t think that such a reputation blow (genocide of the people, which is officially under the protection of the Russian Federation) against the Russian Federation is included in the plans of the country's leadership

When in the mid-early 90s there was a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Artsakh / Karabakh, Turkey threatened several times with the war of Armenia, and only the position of the Russian Federation, in particular the direct statement of the Ministry of Defense that the Russian Federation could launch a nuclear war because of Armenia the war was stopped by Turkish troops.

There are not enough Russian troops in Armenia to withstand a serious Turkish attack on Armenia, and there are no tactical nuclear munitions. There is not even acceptable logistics through Iran for the alleged delivery of troops and ammunition, because there is no railway line between Armenia and Iran

Only ICBMs from the territory of the Russian Federation can leave Turkey’s attack on Armenia. And this is an extremely high level of escalation, which everyone will try to avoid.

Even if things do not reach such a level, the Armenian-Turkish-Azerbaijani relations will lead to a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, which will be very bloody and will be accompanied by a radical redrawing of borders - in the last war, the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan was established only on the basis of the objective minimum necessary to protect Artsakh from shelling, and this time Armenia will try to get the border with the Russian Federation and, again, is fraught with Turkish intervention and escalation to a catastrophic level.

All these factors indicate that with the most masterly work on the part of the Russian Federation to prevent the escalation of friction between the Russian Federation and Turkey, they will nevertheless lead to a dispersal of forces and attention, which is now undesirable.

Therefore, the answer should be different (in addition to freezing economic relations). It is necessary to lure a Turkish plane into Syria and shoot down there - and for this it is necessary to use the full potential of electronic warfare

[Genry]

Quote: xtur

what nickname does Igor Kabardin have on our forum?

Why do you need this one?
Well, you’ll not prune him?
They write a lot of words for money. Editors skip these "masterpieces" for lack of sensible articles (writers are always stupid on all special issues).

[xtur]

> Why do you need this?
Well, you’ll not prune him?

no

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- I have everything exactly the opposite. While I considered him an unknown author, I often infuriated his articles, especially about Armenia. And when you know that the author is in a circle of communication, anger passes - this is only a point of view, one of the possible.
Moreover, writing an article requires courage, and I still have no reason to suspect it of bad intent

[silver_roman]

Quote: Banshee

Don't even admit it, just start "helping with humanitarian aid" - I don't know what is worse for the Turks. Kurdistan is a club over Erdogan's head.

Well, you admit, so what? there will be a long fuss with the transfer of "humanitarian aid" to the Kurds, then until the Kurds assemble the frame. The answer should be, of course, not in the form of multiple individual ICBM warheads, but to sink some ship - that's it! ENEMIES (Turkish mongrels) SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE ANSWER WAS GIVEN AND FOR WHAT SPECIFICALLY GIVEN !!!!!

and then impose an embargo, supply the Kurds, and at least piss the entrance door to the apartment to Erdogan.

[matross]

Quote: silver_roman

ENEMIES (Turkish mongrel) SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE ANSWER WAS GIVEN AND FOR WHAT SPECIFICALLY GIVEN !!!!!

The most correct answer, IMHO, would be a 3-4-caliber volley strike at targets near the Syrian-Turkish border (from the Syrian side, of course). But so that one of the missiles "deviated from the course" and destroyed the Turkish border post. Then the Turks would answer with blood, the whole world would know why and what the Russians did not let them down, but we would say - oops, the mistake came out. And that's the point. And not to apologize to Turkey, but to declare somewhere on a neutral platform. Or even say that the missile was disoriented by Turkish electronic warfare means ...
PySy. And I hope Kabardin is already ashamed of this ... opus in the style of modern Ukraine. For some reason, I’m ashamed of Kabardin.

[silver_roman]

sensible idea. it would be great.
I was still thinking about some frigate being blown up by a mine from the time of the Second World War!
So far, all I have seen is a ban of 130 tons of meat at the border.

[Dilshat]

If it becomes easier for anyone, the Kurds to gain independence and their territory and part of this territory will definitely be former Turkish. Moreover, the Turks contribute to this with their stupidity and greed.

[silver_roman]

where did you get that the Kurds will get the territory?
most likely they will allocate autonomy, but inside Syria.

[Geo73]

1. Reception of Kurds in Moscow
2. Recognition of Kurds by Syria
3. Incineration area of ​​militant-based area with NATO warning STRATEGY
4. The destruction of the oil industry in Syria.
5. Termination of diplomatic relations with Turkey and the pact on the controversy of its borders
6. The requirement to exclude Turkey from the UN
7. Claim compensation for the aircraft and lives in the international court
8. To inform the Secretary General of NATO and the USA that the closure of the straits for the passage of military vessels will be considered as a declaration of war, and the Turkish attack will be considered an attack of NATO on the country

[Tambov Wolf]

Cowardly rulers in Moscow will never agree to this. Traders and oligarchs are not warriors.

[arane]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

Cowardly rulers in Moscow will never agree to this. Traders and oligarchs are not warriors.

Right The first point is the destruction of the fifth column!

[sa-ag]

Quote: Geo73

2. Recognition of Kurds by Syria

it means to saw off a piece from Syria

Quote: Geo73

8. To inform the Secretary General of NATO and the USA that the closure of the straits for the passage of military vessels will be considered as a declaration of war, and the Turkish attack will be considered an attack of NATO on the country

Montreux Convention, however, and the Secretary General is not a kindergarten teacher

"...
Article 20

During the war, when Turkey is a belligerent,
the provisions of Articles 10 to 18 will not apply; military passage
ships will depend solely on Turkish discretion
Government.

Article 21

In the event that Turkey would consider itself at risk
immediate military danger, she will be entitled
apply the provisions of Article 20 of this Convention.
Warships that, having passed the Straits before use
Turkey the opportunity provided to it by the preceding paragraph,
would thus be separated from the ports of their main
parking may return to these ports. It is agreed, however, that
Turkey may not allow ships to exercise this right
state whose position would cause the application of this
Article.
If the Turkish government takes the opportunity,
provided to her by the above paragraph first, she will notify
this the High Contracting Parties, as well as the General
League of Nations Secretary.
If the Council of the League of Nations decides by a two-thirds majority,
that the measures thus taken by Turkey are not justified and if
such will likewise be the opinion of most High
Contracting Parties to this Convention, then
The Turkish government is obliged to cancel these measures, as well as those
which would be adopted by virtue of Article 6 of this Convention. "

[alicante11]

2. Recognition of Kurds by Syria

Not really, part of the Kurdish territories belongs to Syria.

3. Incineration area of ​​militant-based area with NATO warning STRATEGY

Too expensive and inefficient, albeit spectacular.

5. Termination of diplomatic relations with Turkey and the pact on the controversy of its borders

On what grounds are borders recognized as controversial?

6. The requirement to exclude Turkey from the UN

Same thing to ask Erdogan to do hara-kiri.

8. To inform the Secretary General of NATO and the USA that the closure of the straits for the passage of military vessels will be considered as a declaration of war, and the Turkish attack will be considered an attack of NATO on the country

And if they block it? Are we ready for a nuclear armededets?

[Otshelnik]

For these 2 days, many write about the Kurds ... well, I dare a few words.
Firstly, after the collapse of the alliance, relations with the Kurds significantly weakened and as a result, phishington and telaviv filled the void with all the ensuing circumstances! I don’t think that now the Kurds will be allowed to turn in the direction of Russia.
Secondly, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah do not feel special love for Kurds (except for Shiite Kurds) and they are the most real allies of Russia!

[Alekseev]

Quote: Banshee

Some kind of stupidity. Nuclear desert in place of Turkey ...

That's right!
But the desert, not the desert, but the kishlachs of these same "Turkomans" who killed our pilot should become a desert.
Take the airspace from Turkey at the sight of the air defense systems and fighters and mix with the gangs ... and those who joined them on the problematic section of the border in Latakia.
And our respect and help to the Kurds ... They earned independence in the battles with ISIS.

[veksha50]

Quote: Banshee

. In Syria, please.

I still can’t understand ... Our VKS are in Syria quite legally ... The so-called coalition aviation is on bird’s rights, handed to themselves by themselves ... Who prevents Assad from issuing a decree on the creation of this no-fly zone? He is still the master and ruler, the legitimately elected president ...

Only the planes of the Syrian Air Force and the Russian Air Force should fly in the sky of Syria ...
Afraid of complications with the West? Yes, much more - they openly talk about his overthrow, and undiscovered - about his destruction ...

[Kite]

The Janissary "guard" was killed in a battle with the oprichnina guard (also almost completely killed) at the Battle of Molodi. Did you manage to leave offspring? And their genes were not Turkish.
And the author is a graphomaniac. The first thought that jumped up rushes to write down. Yesterday I was seething, but what I expressed about the Turks and Erdogan cannot be recorded. The answer will be very harsh, I'm sure. Not in the "forehead" but much more painful.

[Azitral]

The Russian Federation has a TECHNICAL ability to burn Turkey. We have no opportunity to establish a "no-fly zone" over Turkey: their aviation is still not weaker than ours, and over Turkey itself it is definitely stronger. Look at the composition and number of cars. NO political considerations can justify the extermination of our citizens in Turkey: at the moment they are unwitting hostages. And about a nuclear attack ... Maybe this is prejudice, but I have a prejudice before cannibalistic ideas, and the article is frankly cannibalistic. Even Hitler's Germany, the kindest Stalin did not clean up. In my = right.

[alexander1]

And nonsense and no! Of course, you can call the ambassador and give him a note, that's all! The Turks will get a hold of her and after waiting a couple of days they will attack another plane or a Russian ship off the coast of Syria! And what! My father told me after another trip to Afghanistan in 86, when a series of incidents occurred in one of the border regions with Pakistan that the Pravda newspaper did not write about! Pakistani gunners got used to shoot at the adjacent territory! The American howitzer brothers in friendship threw them there! And so they first fired at something on the territory of Afghanistan and the Afghans sent a note of protest, then fired at the location of the Tsarandoy part, and again the Afghans wrote a dipnet, and then several shells fell in the location of our troops and did not call the garrison commander in Kabul and Moscow too , but simply fired back from the SZO, and not from the city, but bigger, according to the coordinates of the Pakistani battery. And the silence was two years, more than one shell from beyond the mountains no longer flew!
And if you want, write notes, you will be closed in a couple of months and the straits will be closed!
But when the bosses were in charge, fat and weak-willed, no matter how it turned out, our pilots were shot down by the Pakistani F-16s and the wingman saw how the leader was burning and asked to give the go-ahead to launch on the air, he said that he was holding the F-16 in sight , but from Kabul she screamed "don't you dare!" fat fat pig, thinking about his shoulder straps and stripes! And all this is in the memoirs! Read on! Putin said if a fight is inevitable, you have to hit first! Here we are waiting, sir! I really hope that the answer will be as hard as possible! Then maybe we will have a chance on the outskirts, and perhaps not only in Donbass!

[His]

Kurds will now have a green light.

[biznaw]

Quote: Sakhalininets

It is necessary to resurrect the genetic memory in the descendants of the Janissaries so that for another hundred years they sit on the fifth point evenly, evenly, and send the whole alarmed and agitated brazen-Saxon regional committee in a non-trivial direction.

About genetic memory and arrogantly Saxon regional committee, my post, it’s painful not to kick, I’m not young for a long time:
At some point in life, I began to take very seriously omens and forebodings (thinking suddenly it occurred to me that the car was in the yard, it would be necessary to rearrange it. I am rearranging it. The meteorite didn’t fall into this place. At work, the thought flickered that it is necessary to remind the operator to check the tightness of the installation mounting bolts. Did not remind. The bolts tore off. There is no access to the dangling studs, cannot be drilled, and high-strength drilling is still an occupation. Well, distracted)
So here. On the 24th morning (we work in the forest) over the place where two ravens appeared and started a fight, circle croak and peck each other, probably circled for half an hour, I thought the old people called these raven air battles a bad omen, to bad (to war) (language) bite). Well, in the afternoon the generator started, turned on the telly and then the news started. Well, I think it happened, finally shoe boots.
The first reaction was, like Kibalchish, then stop! A teenager, or what? Immediately fist in the nose? Putin spoke, well done ... He spoke quietly, but everyone heard. Indeed, the yard school of punks was passed, according to habits, it is visible -not drawn.
This made an impression on the Turks, they realized they would beat for a long time and slowly with a special sophistication of strikes. Not for nothing that Erdogan is still not trying to get away, he understands it is useless, you have to hide in another city with relatives.
The war will be. She was already walking. Not according to the Kibalchish script. And probably according to the script described by the Greek saints Cosmas. There will be a section of Turkey with the participation of European countries and Russia. There will be an amphibious landing (the prediction indicates that the soldiers are in red vests). There will be two stages of the war. In the first, the Turks will be able to fight back in the second no, Turkey will be divided into three parts. (I suppose that Greek, Kurdish and Armenian) Alas, the Greeks will be returned to the Greeks, the Turks will leave for the Red Apple Tree (should the Greeks specify where it is? It seems somewhere in the deserts of Libya) It is noteworthy that Cosmas was not mistaken in the events and in the generations in whose lives it will be.
It is amusing that Cosmas predicted that the Greeks themselves would not take part in the war, since they would be very weak in spirit ... And how then to not believe the saint who looked at the thousand years before the events of the decay and decay of descendants? AND!? There was another phrase at the very beginning of the predictions! - the north wind will blow to Turkey !!!! How could he know about the North Wind !?

[Butchcassidy]

We must understand that this is the East, and in the East they understand only power. As an example of national thinking, I will give a Turkish proverb: a hand that you can’t chop off, kiss and press it to your forehead.

The Turks must understand that they will not succeed in cutting Russian hands. And the answer should be adequate.

I believe that the country's leadership and law enforcement agencies are currently working on the question of an adequate answer.

[marlin1203]

Well, why publish your first unhealthy thoughts that come to mind. The "softest" variant described by the author in the current international politics is unacceptable from our side. And to shout "shoot them all down!", "To Ankara!", "All into radioactive ash!" can only be a narrow-minded person, poorly aware of the numerical and qualitative composition of the Turkish Armed Forces, not to mention the possible support of NATO. The only possible option is economic sanctions (tourist business, import of goods) and an air defense ambush before the first "flight" of a Turkish aircraft into Syrian airspace. And then "smile and wave ..."

[alecsis69]

Something Kabardin is somehow off scale.

[max702]

Very many people were outraged by the extremely tough answer in the comments .. Well .. We’ll consider other less rigid options .. Now we close the air defense border and shoot down the Turkish plane as soon as possible, and then we get two or three of our shot down .. There is such a technical is Turkey an opportunity? Of course! Tell me, what is it for them? What was the first plane shot down for? So again we need to answer, we will allow even one or two bases, sink a couple of ships and in return we get a destroyed base in Syria and serious losses in the naval group .. Is this possible? Yes ! Turkey is far from a whipping boy, but a militarily sound state, and again, we will not forget NATO member. Of course, the US Marines’s divisions, and we won’t see the Bundeswehr’s tank wedges, but the supply and technical support will go to full height, and that’s aviation, and air defense and the Navy, any other military equipment is natural with a certain number of specialists .. And not we need illusions that now NATO seems to have turned its back on Turkey, they just wait, it didn’t work to drag Russia into the war with Ukraine (and somehow it didn’t work kosher), then this is an ideal opponent for this! Century-long hostility (and they don’t like us in Turkey), the increased influence of Turkey in the region (which is not very good), the high military potential of the Turks, which, unlike the Georgians, allows Russia to be drawn into a long and bloody war, gesheft on military orders, and the general instability in the region is only looking at the hand from behind a puddle .. And what have we come to? Russia is drawn into a bloody war in which if it drags on (and it drags on) there is little chance of winning .. As mentioned above, we will not fight with Turkey alone, but de facto with the entire NATO bloc (meat will be local, weapons from around the world ) Accordingly, wherever you look everywhere, a wedge .. And realizing this so as not to get a final defeat (which will lead to the destruction of our country), the leadership will be forced to choose either accept the defeat and disappear forever, or use nuclear weapons with the same probability to disappear forever .. Why? And because getting into the conflict by ordinary means, we are exhausting the country, we will lose all military industrial potential, and even with limited use of nuclear weapons we won’t be able to recover, they will bite us in small pieces on all sides (everyone wants to kick a half-dead lion) For time is lost .. So that you need to think more carefully about the toughest option, it is very likely the only possible one. The first right step has already been taken (tourism ban).

[izya top]

the final resolution by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation of the Turkish question,

What kind of bullshit?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: izya top

What kind of bullshit?

The author from Moldova seems to be dreaming of a nuclear apocalypse. He will think of his family and this will not affect him.

[izya top]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Author from Moldova

so trowel in his hands

[veksha50]

Quote: izya top

so trowel in his hands

Somehow I had a chance to watch a video on the Internet, how Moldavian "masters" built a structure from foam blocks without cement mortar ... And laughter, and sin ...

So - that with a pen, that with a trowel - you need to skillfully handle ...

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: izya top

What kind of bullshit?

The author from Moldova seems to be dreaming of a nuclear apocalypse. He will think of his family and this will not affect him.

Hi Sanya
Do you know why Moldovans do not eat cucumbers from cans?
The head does not crawl

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

The head does not crawl

A Th together with the cans gobble up weakly?
Sanya is healthy.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

A Th together with the cans gobble up weakly?

I think too they leave the most delicious

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: atalef

The head does not crawl

A Th together with the cans gobble up weakly?
Sanya is healthy.

Do you know why Moldovans don’t eat chocolate?
-They have foil from heartburn

[vorobey]

Quote: atalef

-They have foil from heartburn

went to delete your comment .. Hello to all the gouging ... Miracles happen ... I'm glad for our second pilot ..

[ancient]

Quote: vorobey

I am happy for our second pilot.

Yes, news in all aspects only

But I read almost the entire tape and ... I didn’t notice that someone would focus on the next moment ..."..... Therefore, our pilots were expected in advance."
The author is undoubtedly right here, but ... only one of me, the old one, thinks that at the command post, and maybe in the HQ itself ... "LEAKS a lot"

[atalef]

Quote: ancient

I am happy for our second pilot ..

We got the news, the pilot was saved

[ydjin]

Quote: ancient

Quote: vorobey

I am happy for our second pilot.

Yes, news in all aspects only

But I read almost the entire tape and ... I didn’t notice that someone would focus on the next moment ..."..... Therefore, our pilots were expected in advance."
The author is undoubtedly right here, but ... only one of me, the old one, thinks that at the command post, and maybe in the HQ itself ... "LEAKS a lot"

Do not leak, organize this attack as two fingers on the asphalt. All you need to have a duty on duty in the area and guidance radar. The missiles launched in the Su-24 were with infrared guidance heads, the warning system on Sushka does not see them.

[veksha50]

Quote: ancient

"..... Therefore, our pilots were expected in advance."
The author is undoubtedly right here, but ... only one of me, the old one, thinks that at the command post, and maybe in the HQ itself ... "LEAKS a lot"

Well, they do not particularly emphasize, but this topic has always been discussed unobtrusively ...

Especially interesting was the statement yesterday by one of our pilots from the Aerospace Forces group in Syria: "It was an ambush ... they were waiting for ours there" ...

He did not speak directly about the leak "from above", but when comparing all the facts, one involuntarily comes to such a thought ...

PS When conducting hostilities in countries where clanism, tribal and family relations are common, the devil himself will not make out who is friend, who is enemy ...

Our Tajik border is being guarded, and everything that can flow from the upper Tajik border ... And there's nothing to be done about it ...

[V.ic]

Quote: atalef

Do you know why Moldovans do not eat cucumbers from cans? The head does not crawl

A very ancient joke, I heard it back in the 80s. True, the source was about tomatoes.

[Doomph]

Do you know why the three of them change the light bulb in the chandelier?

[atalef]

Quote: Doomph

Do you know why the three of them change the light bulb in the chandelier?

five of us.
One holds a light bulb, two raise a chair and twist. one runs around in the opposite direction - so that the head spinning on a chair does not spin = one on the door - so that the PHASE does not enter.

[Kibalchish]

Good, us, Moldova, offend All the jokes are remembered.

[Otshelnik]

Well, People, this Kibalchish eats the very provocateur of kabardin ... !!!

[Mooh]

atalef
That's what always pins me on Jews is their love for Nazi jokes. But it’s worth joking with them about the Holocaust, for some reason they’re offended right away

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: iza top

the final resolution by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation of the Turkish question,

What kind of bullshit?

Kabardina often brings ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Kabardina often brings ...

Moldovan young wine sometimes comes unfastened well.

Quote: izya top

so trowel in his hands

He is a tiler
Grow up everyone

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

He is a tiler

according to the latest census, such an ethnic group there is 54% ..

[atalef]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: Alexander Romanov

He is a tiler

according to the latest census, such an ethnic group there is 54% ..

Do you know how at birth they determine his future profession?
Throwing on the wall - stuck - the plasterer, fell to the floor - the shopkeeper

[Air Force captain]

Listen, what did the Moldovans do to you personally, that you made such a funny srach here? And how do you respect the Jews after that, if you yourself in your own words about other nations deserve the opposite?

[vorobey]

Quote: Air Force Captain

And how do you respect the Jews after that, if you yourself in your own words about other nations deserve the opposite?

and we ... we are also participating .. let's shame everyone already .. I agree ..

[APASUS]

Quote: atalef

Quote: vorobey

Quote: Alexander Romanov

He is a tiler

according to the latest census, such an ethnic group there is 54% ..

Do you know how at birth they determine his future profession?
Throwing on the wall - stuck - the plasterer, fell to the floor - the shopkeeper

I'd like to hear your opinion about such information

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, before deciding to destroy a Russian aircraft on the border with Syria, enlisted the support of his American counterpart Barack Obama on this issue. This is reported immediately by a number of Arab media, citing information from a source in the Turkish presidential administration.

[atalef]

Quote: APASUS

I really want to hear your opinion about such information

In my delirium.
Although - given the relationship between Obama and Erdogan - if Obama set him up like that, then
Erdogan is not digested by everything; in general, with his antics and pan-Turkism, he has already got everyone.
The bastard Erdogan - according to the mind, he didn’t go anywhere further than sheep breeding
In general, one cannot have affairs with the Turks - a knife in the back - Putin said correctly.

[APASUS]

Quote: atalef

In my nonsense. Although - given the relationship between Obama and Erdogan - if Obama set him up like that, then

Obama set him up?
In my opinion, Erdogan is trying to push everything into NATO and it partially succeeded, Obama immediately rushed to justify the Turks without even understanding the campaign. The truth of the cold comments of other NATO countries can change the rhetoric of both Erdogan and Obama, no one in NATO expressed a desire to fight for Erdogan’s oil business

[inkass_98]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Kabardina often brings ...

Here, especially Kibalchish dispersed. Kolchak's laurels do not give rest? So now it’s not the 1916 year to storm Constantinople with a military landing, things are being done differently.
Turkey will receive its unique, but economic way. The cessation of the tourist flow and the trade embargo will do them much more damage than shelling an abstract military base. And if now Turkey looks like a rampant stingray that does not have clear explanations for its actions, then the military attack of Russia will be only a joy to them.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: inkass_98

So now, and not in 1916, in order to storm Constantinople with a military landing, things are done differently.

The time has not come yet, but in any case, Constantinople will soon have to be returned to its rightful owners.

[anip]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

but Constantinople, in any case, will soon have to be returned to its rightful owners.

To whom? Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: anip

To whom? Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire?

We will return to the Greeks.

[zadorin1974]

Is Alexander stupid contagious? Even if you theoretically imagine the capture of Constantinople, then giving it to Greece is probably the stupidest thought: the Black Sea will become a passage yard. They entrusted the Greeks with the European border, almost half of the EU speaks Arabic. Lukashenko is better than the Americans the seas will calm down and we won’t wonder where the seafood from Belarusians comes from.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

We will return to the Greeks.

if Moscow is the third Rome, it’s better to keep it, according to the principle of Kaliningrad ...

[IS-80]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

We will return to the Greeks.

But to hell with them. I propose to share the straits together with Israel and Kazakhstan.

[abrakadabre]

And what does Israel have to do with it? As, however, is Kazakhstan. Just confiscate the straits and waters of the Sea of ​​Marmara as compensation for the incident.

[IS-80]

Quote: abrakadabre

And what does Israel have to do with it?

What do you mean? Israel knows how to work efficiently, in the case of screams that it is illegal we will accuse the screamers of anti-Semitism, in addition, this will once again emphasize the fact that we are not invaders and aggressors, but quite adequate people and not just rowing for ourselves. In general, this solution has many other advantages.

[abrakadabre]

It’s not enough to suddenly transfer such a key territory to them. Explanation from the category of pulling a hedgehog on a snake.

[IS-80]

Quote: abrakadabre

It’s not enough to suddenly transfer such a key territory to them. Explanation from the category of pulling a hedgehog on a snake.

You just don't know much about geopolitics.

[skeptic]

Quote: IS-80

Quote: Alexander Romanov

We will return to the Greeks.

But to hell with them. I propose to share the straits together with Israel and Kazakhstan.

You don’t offer too wide a strait?

[IS-80]

Quote: skeptic

You don’t offer too wide a strait?

What do you specifically dislike?

[Evgen_Vasilich]

Quote: anip

To whom? Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire?

Moscow the third Rome and the fourth did not happen (C)

[vladimir_krm]

And Mount Ararat too :)

[Azitral]

In principle, I agree with you. But what about: "that military attack by Russia will be their only joy ..." - this is still unlikely. Agree, you got excited.

[Kibalchish]

We Moldovans love hardcore.

I wrote this, at first glance, crazy line with a specific back thought - that if such texts are monitored by one of the Turkish state structures (and this is almost certainly) related to political analysis, then they should understand that there are also such moods. In this particular case, the harder the better.


If Ankara knows that Russian public opinion requires not just revenge, but revenge is extremely cruel, then it will appreciate the compromises that Putin will offer. This is psychology, and I thought the goals for which this was voiced will be clear and will play along in the comments. But the plan was too cunning

And yes, a serious share of emotions is present. I do not want to once again leave the killing of our people unpunished.

[Throw]

Then you'd better send the Turks on the muzzle book under the Big Secret "Map of the predicted radioactive contamination of Turkey to determine the direction of deployment of the n-tank brigade with the support of the Kurdish militia" and the invoice for the UZK kits in Kurdistan.
Will get through faster

[Otshelnik]

Kabardin, you kind of wrote that you are from the Donbass !! Prove it?

[Letun]

Quote: iza top

the final resolution by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation of the Turkish question,

What kind of bullshit?

It seems like some people pounded a piss on the head.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Letun

It seems like some people pounded a piss on the head.

Together with a pot

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: Kibalchish

If Ankara will know that Russian public opinion demands not just revenge, but revenge exclusively cruel, it will appreciate more the compromises that Putin will offer.

What are the mandarin compromises? What are you talking about? That is about nuclear retaliation, then about some compromises that Putin will offer ...

What compromises do you expect from Putin? Are we the Turkish plane shot down? Sorry, but this Erdogan should already fly to Moscow with a huge jar of Vaseline. Although with petroleum jelly still need to deserve.

Compromises from Putin ... come up with the same ...

[Kibalchish]

That's it. Our neighbor must understand what exactly he did. In this case, we public opinion should play the role of "bad cop", and Putin - "good." This is the same as Kiselev's plot on channel Russia about the radioactive ashes into which ours can turn the USA - a verbal message. Someone has to voice this and everything so that the enemy understands who he is dealing with.

Erdogan is required.

1. Public apology before Russia, brought by him personally

2. Material compensation and condolences to the families of the victims.

3. Compensation of Russia for a lost plane


Forcing him to do all this is possible only with a good fright.

logically, we should all tear and throw. In the East, a different reaction is considered weakness.

[Stiletto]

Quote: Kibalchish

Erdogan is required.

1. A public apology to Russia personally brought by him

2. Compensation and condolences to the families of the victims.

3. Compensation of Russia for a lost plane


Forcing him to do all this is possible only with a good fright.

I’ll add on my own, plus the extradition of those who shot down the plane and authorized it; the complete destruction of the bearded village that shot our pilots parachuting from small arms in the sky.

[abrakadabre]

I’ll add from myself, plus the extradition of those who shot down the plane and authorized it

The extradition of the military, which was only executing a political order, would automatically mean a military coup in the style of Pinochet in Chile. Not even in the style of the Egyptian, relatively soft displacement of the Islamist scumbag Sisi (or whatever it is ...).
In Turkey, the army’s position is strong. And their support or not support means a lot.
But for us, in this case, as it were, it does not matter. This is their inner sandbox.

[veksha50]

Quote: Stiletto

plus the extradition of those who shot down the plane

Hmm ... I myself would have torn them at the beginning (yesterday) ...

And today, having quenched my anger and rage, I can say: that lieutenant-captain-major who shot down our plane only obeyed the order ... So the problem is not in it, not in the pilot of this plane ...

That Erdogan would swim in the lake with crocodiles to run - that would be soooo ...

[Otshelnik]

Kibalchish (3) SU October 14, 2014 13:01 ↑
Igor Kabardin is me. I am truly a journalist by profession, have a higher historical education. Diploma Specialization: US Foreign Policy and History. But now I mainly work in East Asia. But sometimes I unsubscribe on other topics. For example, Ukraine and the domestic policy of the Russian Federation.
I myself am from Donbass, but the last time I was there in 1995 and now I don’t know all the layouts.

[oldav]

Urgent measures; Put air defense systems where possible, fly only under cover, Aim missiles located at the Black Sea Fleet at the most important targets in Turkey, and strengthen the force grouping in Armenia by 2 times.
Long-term measures; Prohibit selling vouchers to resorts, suspend the "Turkish stream" or build it on our terms and at our prices, expel all construction companies and transfer facilities to other partners, introduce a visa regime.

[Oml]

What a point bombing - carpet!

[Junior, I]

Sunshine is just right for these purposes!

[ivanovbg]

Quote: Younger, I

Sunshine is just right for these purposes!

The practical range of Solntsepek is no more than 4-6 km, for strikes against Turkey, means are needed with a range of at least 100 times higher. Do not write erundoa if you do not understand anything about military affairs. And also "Colonel General", expert, damn it!

[sa-zz]

I don’t know if it was true or not information appeared on the Lebanese television channel Al Mayadeen that the co-pilot of the Su-24 was rescued by the Syrian military after six hours of searching for two hours out of the zone and it seems like he is now at the Russian airbase. I pray that it is true. Off no information.
Very sorry for the dead pilot and paratrooper.

[Insurgent LC]

here’s a screen from ukrgovnosayta pay attention already and the black tape in the photo stuck. I have no words so far my heart bleeds, God forbid that the co-pilot was alive.

[S-cream]

Pilot and Marine.

[Ruslan67]

Did the author stab or sniff something?

[mgvalaev]

just emotions!

[parusnik]

Revenge is the dish served cold ... "Darkest" is a great cook, it will be one of his best cold dishes. I think so ..

[Kuzyakin15]

Quote: parusnik

Revenge is the dish served cold ... "Darkest" is a great cook, it will be one of his best cold dishes. I think so ..

There will be no sophisticated revenge. It will be limited at the dip level.

[Private Starley]

Eh, the Greeks would keep their word, they somehow warned that if the Turks announced that they would shoot down all aircraft over their territory, then the Greeks could also shoot down the aircraft of the Turks violating the airspace of Greece ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Private Starley

Eh, the Greeks would keep their word, they somehow warned that if the Turks announced that they would shoot down all aircraft over their territory, then the Greeks could also shoot down the aircraft of the Turks violating the airspace of Greece ...

a NATO member country, knocking down planes of another NATO member country? Think what you write ...

[ivanovbg]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

a NATO member country, knocking down planes of another NATO member country? Think what you write ...

You are not very familiar with the situation in the Balkans, there is a tangle of (almost) insoluble contradictions. In 1974, Turkey and Greece openly fought against each other over Northern Cyprus, despite the fact that both are NATO member countries.

[Belousov]

Shtatniks will not allow their servants to fight among themselves. Only with the specified external enemy.

[Neophyte]

Support for the Kurds and the destruction of several Turkish aircraft when they arrive
to Syria, bomb the Kurds!

[Volzhanin]

When crossing the Syrian border ANY air targets must be destroyed! Any!

[svskor80]

Chopping hot should not be. At the moment, there will be enough refusals from trips and communication between the Russian leadership and the Turks. It is more closely to monitor the Turkish-Syrian border and, at the slightest doubt, to shoot down planes, helicopters, UAVs of Turks. I think our air defense will allow this to be done.

[Private Starley]

and now these stumps began to sing: "... Turkey, after the UN condemnation, changed its tone quite sharply, there were justifications in the press and on Turkish television. They all sound the same - we did not know that it was a Russian plane, we thought it was a Syrian plane, but the Syrians shot down a Turkish plane.

Indeed, a few years ago, Turkey changed the rules in the event of an invasion of its airspace. Recall that then Syria shot down a Turkish plane. According to the order of Ankara, all unidentified aircraft elements that are approaching from the Syrian side began to be viewed as a threat. ... "

http://rovego.livejournal.com/5792625.html?utm_campaign=transit&utm_source=mirte
sen & utm_medium = news & from = mirtesen

[sa-zz]

Recall that then Syria shot down a Turkish plane

This two-faced sh.a.k.a.l then declared that entering into airspace was no reason to bring down an airplane. Moreover, the Su-24 was shot down in Syria.

[Ayujak]

I would not mind wiping Turkey off, but this is too much, of course. Base attack is also not an option. And to shoot down everything that flies close to the border - yes.
It really is a knife in the back. In a nightmare it was impossible to imagine that the Turks would do such a thing. Therefore, there was no cover and air defense did not work.

Shame on the Turks for having a fascist government and president!

[jetfors_84]

Close the sky of Syria from the Turks. I think to grab even warnings. And so they got into a mess after running to the NATO

[abrakadabre]

In this case, of course, a blow to objects in Turkey itself is too much. The most tough answer can be in the style of:
1. The official closure of the region of operation for flights on the condition of shooting down without warning any flying object within the reach of air defense (and not in state borders) that has not passed recognition by a friend or foe system.
2. At the same time, the official prohibition of the contingent in Syria to enter into any negotiations or radio exchanges with the designated violators of the no-fly zone. In view of this, any attempts by unidentified aircraft to get in touch should be ignored with the immediate simultaneous opening of fire to defeat.
3. Also, an official notification to all that identification of the violators at the time of the special operation will be carried out in principle only on the wreckage after the defeat. With no exceptions. Even if it will be the number 1 side.
4. Any claims of third parties regarding such a tough flight regime in the region should be redirected to Ankara.
5. Notify that this mode takes effect one hour or two hours after publication.

[sesame]

This is either nonsense or provocation.

[rotmistr60]

Turkey acted like a rat. It dealt a vile and provocative blow, after which Erdogan immediately ran under the wing of NATO to ask for protection if, what. The answer of course should be naturally harsh. But the author did not simply go too far with the third option, but wrote obvious rubbish.

[Pissarro]

Kabardin, as usual, writes nonsense. The organizers of this carefully planned provocation precisely on an inadequate emotional response and count. And the answer must be a well-thought-out cold head. a continuous ring of "friends" in the form of Greece, Cyprus, Armenia, Syria, Iran, Iraqi Kurdistan, and now Russia. Crowds of refugees and terrorists generated by Turkish politics and the Kurdish question are not taken to Europe. And behind Erdogan is the army, which for years he humiliated and imprisoned and who dreams of slaughtering him at the first opportunity. Now, goodbye to Russian tourists and cheap gas, and possibly the Russian market of food and construction, goodbye to stolen oil from ISIS. All that remains is to arrange provocations in the last hope that for Turkey NATO will fit in and save Erdogan's ass

[mildew]

And I think that the military framed Erdogan. It’s too stupid to go on such a provocation. The military response is not your option. Trade must be curtailed and tourism will ruin them. You can relax with us in the summer. It’s not expensive and people treat Russians well. The languages ​​are similar, faith is one and so on. Only these cases are terrifying for you.

[Mooh]

Quote: pleven

Only these cases are terrifying for you.

Look at your farts with cheshma

[magician]

fantasies. revenge is a cold dish. according to the deserts, all involved will be rewarded.

[Taygerus]

urgently need to block this cordon between Syria and the Turks and consecutively destroy the whole rabble that had gathered, arrest all the assets and real estate in Russia from the Turks, take out tourists and prohibit flights from him, like selling vouchers, prohibit flights of Turkish airlines in Russia and selling products made in Turkey, throw out all their construction companies

Condolences to the relatives of the victims, the eternal memory of the Heroes
give GOD without further loss

[tracer]

On the emotional level, Kabardin can be understood. "Or maybe we bang? We will surely bang ... The whole world is in dust. But then." PSHIH ... AND THE STRAIGHT AT TURK PLACE. But seriously, no one wants Armageddon. And even forever the need for it is completely unnecessary. There will be an answer, but not as they expect. Which one nobody knows. All our versions are just speculations. Only the supreme commander-in-chief has a complete picture of the past and the ability to act competently.

[hohryakov066]

At the expense of the Greeks, I would not have hoped. They are still warriors. The Turks, at one time they broke it is not sickly.

[V.ic]

Quote: hohryakov066

The Turks, at one time they broke it is not sickly.

Thanks to help from the SSR: guns, shells, cartridges and other "snacks", and most importantly 24 million (in gold) to pay the askers. Turks will not fight without money! I have no doubt that it was not without our internationalists.

[Junior, I]

Boomerang tends to return with even greater force.
I hope Russia does not take long to wait!

Not far from our air base, a large air force (Ingerlik) was created and continues to replenish. Most of which are fighters. The data are approximate. 12 American F-15C (clean fighters and well-armed), 14 F-16 Turkish Air Force. Well, a trifle, such as attack aircraft and tankers.

Dismantle everything that stands there and moves.

[Flinky]

What a joy that our President is not Igor Kabardin.

[anfil]

Quote: Flinky

What a joy that our President is not Igor Kabardin.

Germans are joking

[Griboedoff]

Some kind of deficiency ... The mildest answer, most likely, can be called extremely harsh.
Well, a nuclear attack by a non-nuclear state is all nonsense. And a direct violation of the laws of the Russian Federation.

[U-96]

Quote: Griboedoff

Some kind of inadequate.

no. It's just that the writing was late exactly one day. Yesterday, this lover of apocalyptic scenarios on VO would have had a lot more plus people. Yeah, this is in the morning, it's like "Petrosyan ordered for coffee? ...".
Soft answer
Moderately hard answer
Extremely hard answer

Don't stop!

The best answer
Megastough answer
Death Star salvo of all latches and guns
(after taking sedative)
Spoon snow bothering, the night is big ...

[Volzhanin]

Why nuclear?
To plow them all ports and airfields with non-nuclear weapons.
A joke of course.
But the answer should be such that they are afraid to look in our direction, and not just mow and speak with an eye !!!

[Wolka]

Makarych: "The most difficult thing is to wait ..."

[Russia]

Soft answer

Moderately hard answer

Extremely hard answer

And who is responsible?
All in white, on a white horse, with a bare saber .... and without a head?

[Raskolnik]

Quote: Sakhalininets

recognize an independent Kurdistan would be in the very hole so to speak!

+1 This will be a blow on Turkey worse than a nuclear one. Especially if the Kurds start receiving "Syrian" weapons. And if you add to this the rupture of economic and tourist ties, then no Syrian oil will compensate for the share of these grandmothers. Revenge is a dish that is served cold.

[Denis81]

I'm afraid this is not blasphemous .. Americans, NATO and others like them are silent for a reason. I'm afraid now a hunt for our co-pilot has been announced behind the scenes. and it is clear for what purposes. God grant him health, courage. I hope he will tell the whole truth so that these "partners" do not even have the desire to talk nonsense about "protecting their airspace" with the objective testimony of the surviving pilot. Health, good luck. And waiting for the truth

[provincial]

I'm afraid to cause a lot of negative emotions, but I think there will be no response to the actions of Turkey from the Russian Federation. As before the Second World War.

[Nikolay71]

Quote: Kibalchish

We Moldovans love hardcore.

I wrote this, at first glance, crazy line with a specific back thought - that if such texts are monitored by one of the Turkish state structures (and this is almost certainly) related to political analysis, then they should understand that there are also such moods. In this particular case, the harder the better.


If Ankara knows that Russian public opinion requires not just revenge, but revenge is extremely cruel, then it will appreciate the compromises that Putin will offer. This is psychology, and I thought the goals for which this was voiced will be clear and will play along in the comments. But the plan was too cunning

And yes, a serious share of emotions is present. I do not want to once again leave the killing of our people unpunished.

If so, then it will. And then after reading the article I thought that someone was crazy.

[Waroc]

The author, reduce the degree of intensity of emotions - they are all going off scale now, and start thinking with your head. It seems to me that nuclear war, albeit local, has other alternatives, albeit not so loud and spectacular, but no less effective!

And of course I would like to bang on scum ...

[Zomanus]

First, evacuate ours from Turkey.
And at this time come up with a decent answer.
Directly hammering is not worth it.
But here are her interests in our territory,
in the territory of our friendly countries,
worth minimizing.
Let the Turks eat their own fruits / vegetables
and relax at their resorts.
This is what they definitely expect in the near future.

[Orang]

Now it is necessary to eliminate Erdogan's son. On the resignation of Erdogan himself. Do not delay with your son, so that it is clear why. Russia, of course, has nothing to do with it. Bad company is to blame.
At the first opportunity to shoot down a Turkish plane, I think there will be no difficulties with an occasion.

[mark2]

The son is not responsible for the father!

[abrakadabre]

In this case, as a curator of the resale of oil stolen in Syria, he goes like an accomplice. And not as an outside relative.

[Orang]

Quote: abrakadabre

he goes like an accomplice. And not as an outside relative.

Exactly. Erdogan has two sons, but one must be killed, Bilal, anointed with ISIS.

[Genry]

There’s also an accomplice’s daughter.
ISIS fighters are treated in a hospital owned by Erdogan’s daughter:

Source: http://politikus.ru/events/63798-boeviki-igil-lechatsya-v-gospitale-prinadlezhas
chem-docheri-erdogana.html

[Skalpel]

Quote: provincial

I'm afraid to cause a lot of negative emotions, but I think there will be no response to the actions of Turkey from the Russian Federation. As before the Second World War.

The provincial is not so wrong. The situation is increasingly reminiscent of the last years before the Second World War. The fact that the destruction of our "drying" is a planned provocation is understandable. But alone, was this meanness planned? Or was this decision whispered by well-known personalities in the ear of the ugly Edorgan?
The answer must be unambiguous! And unambiguously it must be at least commensurate! A direct military operation is too primitive and very expected by the Turkish bastard. But the LARGE actions of the special services, the all-round economic impact, pressure in Russia on Turkish business, the activation of "unknown" hackers against Turkish systems and organizations - that's the thing.

[Arkan]

You can shoot down a Turkish plane, but why ?! Economic sanctions against Turkey, better missiles will finish the ruling regime in this country.

[U-96]

Quote: Arkan

You can shoot down a Turkish plane, but why ?!

this is from lovers of symmetrical answers)

Quote: Arkan

Economic sanctions against Turkey, better missiles will finish the ruling regime in this country.

Erdie’s position is now rather precarious, the dream of turning Turkey from a parliamentary into a presidential republic is a big question. The opposition will do everything to provoke a government crisis. However, with skillful manipulations, he can even get some profits from the situation. We will see.

[mark2]

But if possible, it would not hurt to throw some money into the Turkish opposition. It would be nice to try the "Color Revolutions" method.

[Mooh]

We have been fighting economic methods for a long time. Where is the result?

[passerby1]

Yes, there will be no answer. We wiped off and pretend that everything is ok, well, and "we stopped cooperation on the military line." It turns out that a free bonus is attached to the country's membership in NATO in the form of the ability to shoot down Russian planes and kill pilots with impunity.

[INF]

Tough answers will be in case of repeated mistake of Turkey, but not earlier.

[provincial]

then we wait for the Turks to make another mistake, and then .......

[Orang]

Quote: provincial

then we wait for the Turks to make another mistake, and then .......

like the chinese

[mark2]

Extremely tough answer Author Igor Kabardin

And how do we relax on our radioactive Black Sea, among other things?

[Robert Nevsky]

ERDOGAN, BURNING IN HELL !!!!

[crazy_fencer]

The author is not that a minus is a minus of a huge size. Considering the severance of diplomatic relations with Turkey a "soft" answer? Didn't he confuse soft with warm? The severing of diplomatic relations with the country is in itself practically a declaration of war. At the same time, I will note: people who are not quite adequate or who know that they themselves will not take part in it can call for war (which the author does quite unambiguously). Like, we shout, but let not us kill.
From the history. In 1945, the Americans also "made mistakes" several times in this way and bombed our columns and forward positions. It happens, yeah. To confuse "Tigers" with "T-34", and "ZIS-5" and "Studebakers" - with German "Opel" - how to do it. And has the USSR severed diplomatic relations with the United States on this issue? Oh my God. We solved the problem on the spot and by purely local means, even without straining diplomatic channels. After this local decision, the propensity for "mistakes" was completely beaten off from the Americans.

[vladimirvn]

Turkey is somewhat reminiscent of a bastard kid from the time of the yard wars - he shit in a neighboring yard and runs to the older boys to seek protection.

[slimp]

The author - what kind of nonsense !!! Are you or an enemy?
It is necessary to react, but what you offer is a dignified unbalanced teenager. We are already pushing the Turks (depriving them of oil), so we must continue in the same vein, you can close the sky for flights (and I got the impression that we are already doing this).

But start a war ...
In addition, the president of Turkey is not all of Turkey ...

[Belgorod]

Revenge is a dish to be served cold

[Letterksi]

In this video, Marat Musin removed the rescue operation of the helicopter crew and the time of the destruction of the Su-24

[vvp2412]

is the author crazy?

[Anton Valerevich]

If this incident is slowed down, then tomorrow the Estonian Air Force will begin to defend its national interests in the sky over St. Petersburg.
As for me, the most appropriate answer would be to smack a cruise missile at Erdogan's residence.

[Infernal man]

why such youthful ravings do not pass moderation? The point is to print this immature nonsense on the portal? My son also argues at the age of 12, as the author of the article. According to the content presented here, an opinion is formed about the portal as a whole. Do not turn into a censor.

[hartlend]

Correctly in the comments they wrote that Kabardin would wake up and deliver a nuclear strike. And if in essence - the answer will be. Another question we will find out or not. Each layer has its own level of information.

[hotrod]

That is, the author in response to a provocation wants to respond with precisely those options to which they provoke. Excellent foresight.

Putin is the most influential world politician. Smart and tough. Will answer.

In general, here many have the desire that geopolitics be in real time, under a television camera. Learn endurance, comrades!

[geko]

Some kind of science fiction author. In real life, a mild answer would be the toughest, which could be considered an adequate state.

[Volzhanin]

It is intended to destroy any air targets that pose a threat.
It’s better: to destroy ANY air targets over the territory of Syria that do not belong to the Russian Federation.
And in general: FREEDOM FOR INDEPENDENT KURDISTAN !!!

[Makarov]

Author, are you stupid?

PS No offense.

[Mentat]

what should the leadership of the Russian Federation do if it wants to continue to be considered legitimate

Don’t you have the habit of putting your hand between the buttons on your chest in the morning and saying to the mirror: “Napoleon is me!”? And from the article it looks like you have a habit.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Fiction, and more.

[Albus]

Yeah! About the hard option, this is overkill. Because after reading it, it became easier.

[Cat]

Taking down a couple of F-16s would be an adequate response. Otherwise - loss of face
And express your regrets.

[Logos]

Over Russian territory - yes. And in any other place the result will be a war with the entire NATO bloc, and here you won’t get away with losing face, you’d better save your ass

[veksha50]

"Extremely harsh answer

Evacuation of all diplomatic personnel and, in general, all Russian citizens from Turkey who agree to leave this country and final decision by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation Turkish question, after which the armies of Greece, Armenia and the same Kurds will finish what they started"...

Author !!! Prolonged binge drinking harms your mind!!!

PS The article is far from a patriot... The article is an arsonist of the third world war, an instigator of the Apocalypse...

Well, the nuclear triad of the Russian Federation is not for shooting sparrows from a cannon... And Turkey is not even a sparrow, but a cockroach...

[red rocket]

Learn from Israel, they would have destroyed Turkey already!

[S-cream]

and the final solution of the Turkish issue by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation

Did the author mislead the coast?

[Diviz]

We need to isolate this country. She brainwashed the Greeks, arranged Chechnya for us, and robbed Syria. anthill.

[kumaxa]

what did the citizens want? Russia fought systematically with Turkey. with a periodicity of 50 years on average. Who is interested in a history course for 7th grade? section Russian-Turkish wars. but 100 years have already passed and the time has come to face off again. Transcaucasia . Crimea . The Turks dream of returning the Levant - Syria. They stepped on the trunk with oil. There will be a massacre soon, like during the Crimean War. Turks + geyropa.

[Dikson]

The Turks don’t care about our harsh statements! They realized that there would be no response - the Turkish General Staff conducted one of the largest operations in recent times to patrol the Turkish-Syrian border, in which 18 F-16 fighters simultaneously participated, according to a statement issued by the General Staff on Wednesday.... Having said “ah” you have to say “b”... or don’t show it anymore...

[Straight]

I consider our response to the downed plane pathetic and nullifies the entire propaganda picture about Syria. An army that allows itself to be treated like this does not meet its purpose. It wasn’t a threat, it was an attack, with damage to us, and where is the forceful response to a forceful attack? Everyone, the army, the politicians, and us, were humiliated and disgraced... The fraer was standing there showing off, and his uncle came and kicked his butt and left, and now everyone is watching and thinking...

[52]

Igor! Enough of the emotions! It’s not up to you to decide, but the option will be completely different! Or does Putin want War? Or Do We All Want War? Isn’t it clear that today they are finding precisely the third option, diplomatic and forceful. “Sharik, you are a dunce!”

[aleks.29ru]

Lavrov has already forgiven the churok. Why was it necessary to declare on the second day that we are not going to fight and that the attitude towards the churek people will not change?! They breathed a sigh of relief. Isn’t this an admission of guilt?

[constant_n]

To put it mildly, the author went too far))))). Yesterday I talked to my wife about the plane being shot down. So she told me: don’t you think that we are being dragged into a war? And this was said by a person who does not sit on VO, who does not watch the news, confuses the map..., in general, confuses a lot of things on the map))))).
It is now that they expect a tough reaction from us. They want to drag us into a war, and not a global one, but preferably several local, exhausting ones.
Thanks to our liberal bloc in the government, our economy is not such that we can afford to fight hot wars.
Therefore, our “answer to the Turkish Sultan” should be:
1. Mandatory, otherwise they will really kill you;
2. Asymmetrical, most likely in the economic sphere. Here, by the way, something is already being done;
3. Sensitive specifically for Erdogan personally. In the next thread, I already wrote that a very tough answer would be the elimination of Erdogan Jr. Because with a high degree of probability, this whole mess was brewed because of Erdogan Jr.’s smuggling and oil business.

Well, now a little on the second point. Today I went about my business to the trade department of our city. The door to one of the offices was open and I heard the following interesting words. The boss set the task for his subordinates to compile a list of stores that sell Turkish goods before the evening. You can interpret this any way you like, but I really hope that the Turks’ oxygen supply will be cut off precisely in the economy.

[Gardener91]

For Erdogan, this is a PR campaign, but it shoots him in the foot. For NATO, it’s a misunderstanding. For the West, it’s a plus no matter the outcome of the debriefing.

[Logos]

The author is clearly inadequate. Attack a NATO member country? Also with nuclear weapons? Does he have any idea how this will end? In the best (for the whole world) case, the West will organize a limited military operation and will fight in Russia, for example, in Crimea, as it did in 1854 (historical analogies are more than appropriate; the war of 1854 also grew out of the Russian-Turkish conflict). And in the worst case, the whole world will burn in nuclear fire.
Moreover, the Turks are in their right - they have sent notes of protest to the Russian Federation more than once recently regarding the violation of air borders, but all these times the Russian Federation simply spat on them. But the Turks cannot be treated this way; this is no longer a bantustan as in the 19th century, but a fairly strong regional state with a strong and relatively modernly equipped army. And with ambition. How could one even assume that they would continue to rub their faces in such slaps as the unceremonious violation of sovereign borders and the bombing of their sphere of influence in Syria?

And they behaved appropriately, apologizing to Russia for the downed plane, although in such a situation they should not apologize. These apologies can be seen as a proposal for dialogue on delimiting spheres of influence in Syria and as an attempt to convey to Russia that the Turks respect it, but do not intend to bend. And the best option would be to meet them halfway and start a dialogue. This is how it will most likely be

[biznaw]

At some point in life, I began to take very seriously omens and forebodings (thinking suddenly it occurred to me that the car was in the yard, it would be necessary to rearrange it. I am rearranging it. The meteorite didn’t fall into this place. At work, the thought flickered that it is necessary to remind the operator to check the tightness of the installation mounting bolts. Did not remind. The bolts tore off. There is no access to the dangling studs, cannot be drilled, and high-strength drilling is still an occupation. Well, distracted)
So here. On the 24th morning (we work in the forest) over the place where two ravens appeared and started a fight, circle croak and peck each other, probably circled for half an hour, I thought the old people called these raven air battles a bad omen, to bad (to war) (language) bite). Well, in the afternoon the generator started, turned on the telly and then the news started. Well, I think it happened, finally shoe boots.
The first reaction was, like Kibalchish, then stop! A teenager, or what? Immediately fist in the nose? Putin spoke, well done ... He spoke quietly, but everyone heard. Indeed, the yard school of punks was passed, according to habits, it is visible -not drawn.
This made an impression on the Turks, they realized they would beat for a long time and slowly with a special sophistication of strikes. Not for nothing that Erdogan is still not trying to get away, he understands it is useless, you have to hide in another city with relatives.
The war will be. She was already walking. Not according to the Kibalchish script. And probably according to the script described by the Greek saints Cosmas. There will be a section of Turkey with the participation of European countries and Russia. There will be an amphibious landing (the prediction indicates that the soldiers are in red vests). There will be two stages of the war. In the first, the Turks will be able to fight back in the second no, Turkey will be divided into three parts. (I suppose that Greek, Kurdish and Armenian) Alas, the Greeks will be returned to the Greeks, the Turks will leave for the Red Apple Tree (should the Greeks specify where it is? It seems somewhere in the deserts of Libya) It is noteworthy that Cosmas was not mistaken in the events and in the generations in whose lives it will be.
It’s funny that Cosmas predicted that the Greeks themselves would not take part in the war, since they would be very weak in spirit... And after that, how could one not believe the saint who saw the decomposition and decline of his descendants a thousand years before the events. A! There was another phrase at the very beginning of the predictions! - the north wind will blow on Turkey!!!! How could he know about the North Wind!?

[Hitrovan07]

Erdogan MUST BE DESTROYED.

[Rasikh]

I read a lot of comments and read a lot of forums. I'll express my opinion. It is not really profitable for us to fight with one side or the other - We are still weak! Both economically and politically! That’s why Putin is walking like in a joke - we’ll go slowly and take out the whole herd. Of course, we could react harshly, that’s all they expect from us, so that NATO and the USA and other Arab countries can actually start a war with us. After all, it’s a war This is a business, it's a lot of money! We still have few real friends! Here an insider read from 1969, it’s about the program for the future of the earth for 100 years ahead, and so everything is planned there, when and with whom to fight, who to raise, who to lower. It became very interesting, so all these wars, terrorists, everything was planned in advance, and not only that, there is medicine, and technology, in short, everything and everything that concerns us everywhere. After that, I really felt uneasy, everything that was described, most already works! Someone will say what nonsense, but I checked some facts and they are already in effect... The only thing that distinguishes Russia from almost all other countries is its unpredictability, and perhaps this will save us! or maybe I don’t know. I really want to hope that our country and you and I, Russians, will not be puppets in this program for globalization and control of the planet’s population.