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Su-24 and casus belli

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History with the attack on the Su-24 is indicative in all respects. The point is not even that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated that Su-24 did not violate the airspace of Turkey, and in this case it can be trusted. How can you believe in the fact that the Turks invaded Syria to attack Russian aircraft. According to Ankara, the attack was made when the Su-24 crossed a small border protrusion a little more than three kilometers wide. You do not need to be an expert in the field of air defense (and the author of the text, although a little, but served in the air defense), to understand that Turkey could not raise the duty link immediately, at the time of the border violation. Consequently, our pilots were waiting in advance. By the way, for the same reason, there can be no talk of any 10 warnings that the Turks allegedly transmitted to the Su-24 crew. During the time during which the Russian aircraft crossed the "protrusion", one could not really pronounce one warning. The speed with which the video from the scene hit the Turkish TV channels is also striking.


Su-24 and casus belli


So, we definitely have a provocation. Provocation focused and well thought out. It is necessary to clearly understand the rules of the game. If now you don’t answer with the utmost harshness, then tomorrow the Russian military plane will bring, for example, Sweden. And everyone will declare the protection of their territory if they know that the Russians are lowering it. The official position of Moscow will look unattractive in the eyes of not only the world community, but also its own citizens - you can't even say which is more dangerous from this.

Soft answer

The rupture of diplomatic relations with Turkey. Confiscation of all Turkish assets, public and private in the territory of the Russian Federation. All Kurdish rebel movements are immediately recognized as national liberation, and Turkish Kurdistan is an occupied territory. Of course, all joint projects are frozen indefinitely. This is the minimum of what the leadership of the Russian Federation should do if it wants to continue to be considered legitimate.

Moderately hard answer

It provides for all the above measures, plus some more, mainly of a forceful nature. In particular, the destruction of one or more military aircraft in Turkey or a warship or the attack of a crowd of unknown "furious citizens" at the Turkish embassy in Moscow. The strike on the Turkish air base "Caliber" also does not look like a disproportionate response. But the blow should be delivered right now, and not in a month or in half a year. By the way, if necessary, the Black Sea Fleet can be strengthened by ships of the Caspian flotillathat will freely pass along the Volga-Don canal.

Other suitable targets are the naval bases of the Turkish Navy on the Black Sea, Sinop and Samsun, where, with a strong desire, you can arrange a local reconstruction of Pearl Harbor.

Extremely hard answer

The evacuation of all diplomatic personnel and all Russian citizens from Turkey in general, who will agree to leave this country and the final decision by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation, the Turkish issue, after which the army of Greece, Armenia and the Kurds will finish the job.

Help NATO say? And who, in fact, will have to be helped by NATO if Turkey disappears as a state and nation in radioactive fire? Disappear, not having time to ask for help, and if he has time, then what a madman will dare to help her in this situation?

Proponents of the hard line in the Kremlin while clearly not in the majority. So, the Kiev authorities, who committed the genocide of the Russian-speaking population in the Donbas and bombarded the Rostov region, suddenly became “partners” worthy of comprehensive economic support. Qatar, which, according to experts in the Middle East, is behind the A-321 terrorist attack, instead of being hit by Caliber missiles, received ... information about the actions of the Russian Federation against the IG, which was transferred by Moscow to the antiterrorist center of the American coalition in the emirate. There is a good chance that it will be the same with Turkey. "Partnerships" are increasingly bizarre in our foreign policy.

24 November, President Putin called Turkey an accomplice of terrorists. These are the right words. There is a very fragile hope that concrete military actions will finally follow. For the alternative is known.

Instead of an afterword. The only real military response that Moscow has undertaken on the evening of November 24: the Moscow cruiser with the C-300 naval version of the Fort (target destruction range to 200 km) will now act as a floating air defense battery. In addition, the Russian base in Syria has its own air defense system, including C-400 complexes. The fighter group, according to open data, consists of 4 Su-30CM and 4 Su-27CM. It is intended to destroy any air targets that pose a threat.
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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 25 November 2015 06: 16 New
    78
    The evacuation of all diplomatic personnel and all Russian citizens from Turkey in general, who will agree to leave this country and the final decision by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation, the Turkish issue, after which the army of Greece, Armenia and the Kurds will finish the job.
    There’s no reason to rave, for this there are enough specialists overseas!
    1. Cappit
      Cappit 25 November 2015 06: 59 New
      27
      This is not nonsense. This is a provocation!
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 25 November 2015 07: 06 New
        49
        I agree. Extremely tough answer, it’s an overdose and frank.
        But to arrange a no-fly zone in Turkey and recognize an independent Kurdistan would be in the hole so to speak!
        It is necessary to resurrect the genetic memory in the descendants of the Janissaries so that for another hundred years they sit on the fifth point evenly, evenly, and send the whole alarmed and agitated brazen-Saxon regional committee in a non-trivial direction.
        1. Banshee
          Banshee 25 November 2015 08: 01 New
          25
          Bust through the full program. Some kind of nonsense. Nuclear desert on the site of Turkey ...

          Quote: Sakhalininets
          But to arrange a no-fly zone on Turkey


          Um ... also, as it were, without UN sanction is unreal. In Syria, please.

          Quote: Sakhalininets
          recognize independent kurdistan


          Do not even recognize, just to start “helping humanitarian aid” - I don’t know what is worse for Turks. Kurdistan is a cudgel over Erdogan's head.
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 25 November 2015 08: 31 New
            +7
            The answer of course should be, but what the author wrote is already a chapel

            1. krot
              krot 25 November 2015 08: 45 New
              +8
              The emotional part of me, I think, like most Russians, is for a rather tough answer, but emotions need to be extinguished when playing chess. And this is in some way chess! Just do not associate with the victims on the chessboard the death of a Russian pilot and paratrooper! They are not pawns!
            2. aleksey980
              aleksey980 25 November 2015 23: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Falcon
              The answer of course should be, but what the author wrote is already a chapel

              A bit wrong. This is chaos.
          2. xtur
            xtur 25 November 2015 11: 06 New
            0
            I have always believed that this author is from outside the site, but judging by the fact that the article is original, the author is from our site.
            what nickname does Igor Kabardin have on our forum?

            Is there any search mechanism by nickname and first name, surname, if they are indicated in the profile?
            1. xtur
              xtur 25 November 2015 13: 24 New
              +6
              the most important aspect of Russian-Turkish relations not listed by the author is Armenia. The last time a Russian pilot flew to Turkey, the Turks violated the Armenian border in the Armavir region, where the ANPP is located, there are several tens of kilometers between them
              So the Turks clearly showed what they consider the weak spot of the Russian Federation and where they will beat. And the fact that the Turks are quite capable of producing a new genocide at the same time, there is no doubt that they will have no other chance to solve the Armenian issue in the foreseeable future. And I don’t think that such a reputation blow (genocide of the people, which is officially under the protection of the Russian Federation) against the Russian Federation is included in the plans of the country's leadership

              When in the mid-early 90s there was a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Artsakh / Karabakh, Turkey threatened several times with the war of Armenia, and only the position of the Russian Federation, in particular the direct statement of the Ministry of Defense that the Russian Federation could launch a nuclear war because of Armenia the war was stopped by Turkish troops.

              There are not enough Russian troops in Armenia to withstand a serious Turkish attack on Armenia, and there are no tactical nuclear munitions. There is not even acceptable logistics through Iran for the alleged delivery of troops and ammunition, because there is no railway line between Armenia and Iran

              Only ICBMs from the territory of the Russian Federation can leave Turkey’s attack on Armenia. And this is an extremely high level of escalation, which everyone will try to avoid.

              Even if things do not reach such a level, the Armenian-Turkish-Azerbaijani relations will lead to a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, which will be very bloody and will be accompanied by a radical redrawing of borders - in the last war, the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan was established only on the basis of the objective minimum necessary to protect Artsakh from shelling, and this time Armenia will try to get the border with the Russian Federation and, again, is fraught with Turkish intervention and escalation to a catastrophic level.

              All these factors indicate that with the most masterly work on the part of the Russian Federation to prevent the escalation of friction between the Russian Federation and Turkey, they will nevertheless lead to a dispersal of forces and attention, which is now undesirable.

              Therefore, the answer should be different (in addition to freezing economic relations). It is necessary to lure a Turkish plane into Syria and shoot down there - and for this it is necessary to use the full potential of electronic warfare
            2. Genry
              Genry 25 November 2015 13: 39 New
              +3
              Quote: xtur
              what nickname does Igor Kabardin have on our forum?

              Why do you need this one?
              Well, you’ll not prune him?
              They write a lot of words for the sake of money. Editors miss these "masterpieces" from the lack of sensible articles (writers - they are always stupid on all special issues).
              1. xtur
                xtur 25 November 2015 14: 02 New
                0
                > Why do you need this one?
                Well, you’ll not prune him?

                no
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 25 November 2015 11: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Banshee
            Do not even recognize, just to start “helping humanitarian aid” - I don’t know what is worse for Turks. Kurdistan is a cudgel over Erdogan's head.

            Well, and recognize what? there will be a long fuss with the transfer of "humanitarian assistance" to the Kurds, then until the Kurds assemble the frame. the answer should certainly not be in the form of the divided warheads of the individual guidance of ICBMs, but to sink a boat - that’s it! ENEMIES (Turkish mongrel) SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE ANSWER WAS GIVEN AND FOR WHAT SPECIFICALLY GIVEN !!!!!

            and then impose an embargo, supply the Kurds, and at least piss the entrance door to the apartment to Erdogan.
            1. matross
              matross 25 November 2015 13: 42 New
              +5
              Quote: silver_roman
              ENEMIES (Turkish mongrel) SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE ANSWER WAS GIVEN AND FOR WHAT SPECIFICALLY GIVEN !!!!!

              The most correct answer, IMHO, would be a volley of 3-4 Gauges at targets near the Syrian-Turkish border (on the Syrian side, of course). But so that one of the missiles "deviates from the course" and destroys the Turkish border post. Then the Turks would answer with blood, the whole world would know for what and what the Russians would not let them down, and we would say - oops, the mistake came out. And this is the point. And not to apologize to Turkey, but to say somewhere on a neutral site. Or even say that the missile was disoriented by Turkish means of electronic warfare ...
              PySy. And I hope Kabardin is already ashamed of this ... opus in the style of modern Ukraine. For some reason, I’m ashamed of Kabardin. hi
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 25 November 2015 14: 47 New
                +1
                sensible idea. it would be great.
                I was still thinking about some frigate being blown up by a mine from the time of the Second World War!
                So far, all I have seen is a ban of 130 tons of meat at the border. recourse
              2. Dilshat
                Dilshat 25 November 2015 18: 40 New
                0
                If it becomes easier for anyone, the Kurds to gain independence and their territory and part of this territory will definitely be former Turkish. Moreover, the Turks contribute to this with their stupidity and greed.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 26 November 2015 11: 03 New
                  0
                  where did you get that the Kurds will get the territory?
                  most likely they will allocate autonomy, but inside Syria.
          4. Geo73
            Geo73 25 November 2015 11: 54 New
            +8
            1. Reception of Kurds in Moscow
            2. Recognition of Kurds by Syria
            3. Incineration area of ​​militant-based area with NATO warning STRATEGY
            4. The destruction of the oil industry in Syria.
            5. Termination of diplomatic relations with Turkey and the pact on the controversy of its borders
            6. The requirement to exclude Turkey from the UN
            7. Claim compensation for the aircraft and lives in the international court
            8. To inform the Secretary General of NATO and the USA that the closure of the straits for the passage of military vessels will be considered as a declaration of war, and the Turkish attack will be considered an attack of NATO on the country
            1. Tambov Wolf
              Tambov Wolf 25 November 2015 12: 17 New
              +4
              Cowardly rulers in Moscow will never agree to this. Traders and oligarchs are not warriors.
              1. arane
                arane 25 November 2015 16: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                Cowardly rulers in Moscow will never agree to this. Traders and oligarchs are not warriors.


                Right The first point is the destruction of the fifth column!
            2. sa-ag
              sa-ag 25 November 2015 12: 23 New
              +2
              Quote: Geo73
              2. Recognition of Kurds by Syria

              it means to saw off a piece from Syria
              Quote: Geo73
              8. To inform the Secretary General of NATO and the USA that the closure of the straits for the passage of military vessels will be considered as a declaration of war, and the Turkish attack will be considered an attack of NATO on the country

              Montreux Convention, however, and the Secretary General is not a kindergarten teacher

              "...
              Article 20

              During the war, when Turkey is a belligerent,
              the provisions of Articles 10 to 18 will not apply; military passage
              ships will depend solely on Turkish discretion
              Government.

              Article 21

              In the event that Turkey would consider itself at risk
              immediate military danger, she will be entitled
              apply the provisions of Article 20 of this Convention.
              Warships that, having passed the Straits before use
              Turkey the opportunity provided to it by the preceding paragraph,
              would thus be separated from the ports of their main
              parking may return to these ports. It is agreed, however, that
              Turkey may not allow ships to exercise this right
              state whose position would cause the application of this
              Article.
              If the Turkish government takes the opportunity,
              provided to her by the above paragraph first, she will notify
              this the High Contracting Parties, as well as the General
              League of Nations Secretary.
              If the Council of the League of Nations decides by a two-thirds majority,
              that the measures thus taken by Turkey are not justified and if
              such will likewise be the opinion of most High
              Contracting Parties to this Convention, then
              The Turkish government is obliged to cancel these measures, as well as those
              which would be adopted by virtue of Article 6 of this Convention. "
            3. alicante11
              alicante11 25 November 2015 14: 44 New
              +2
              2. Recognition of Kurds by Syria


              Not really, part of the Kurdish territories belongs to Syria.

              3. Incineration area of ​​militant-based area with NATO warning STRATEGY


              Too expensive and inefficient, albeit spectacular.

              5. Termination of diplomatic relations with Turkey and the pact on the controversy of its borders


              On what grounds are borders recognized as controversial?

              6. The requirement to exclude Turkey from the UN


              Same thing to ask Erdogan to do hara-kiri.

              8. To inform the Secretary General of NATO and the USA that the closure of the straits for the passage of military vessels will be considered as a declaration of war, and the Turkish attack will be considered an attack of NATO on the country


              And if they block it? Are we ready for a nuclear armededets?
          5. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik 25 November 2015 13: 43 New
            +1
            For these 2 days, many write about the Kurds ... well, I dare a few words.
            Firstly, after the collapse of the alliance, relations with the Kurds significantly weakened and as a result, phishington and telaviv filled the void with all the ensuing circumstances! I don’t think that now the Kurds will be allowed to turn in the direction of Russia.
            Secondly, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah do not feel special love for Kurds (except for Shiite Kurds) and they are the most real allies of Russia!
          6. Alekseev
            Alekseev 25 November 2015 14: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Banshee
            Some kind of stupidity. Nuclear desert in place of Turkey ...

            That's right!
            But the desert, not the desert, but the kishlachki of these same "turkoman" horseradish who killed our pilot should become a desert.
            Take the airspace from Turkey at the sight of the air defense systems and fighters and mix with the gangs ... and those who joined them on the problematic section of the border in Latakia.
            And our respect and help to the Kurds ... They earned independence in the battles with ISIS. yes
          7. veksha50
            veksha50 25 November 2015 15: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: Banshee
            . In Syria, please.



            I still can’t understand ... Our VKS are in Syria quite legally ... The so-called coalition aviation is on bird’s rights, handed to themselves by themselves ... Who prevents Assad from issuing a decree on the creation of this no-fly zone? He is still the master and ruler, the legitimately elected president ...

            Only the planes of the Syrian Air Force and the Russian Air Force should fly in the sky of Syria ...
            Afraid of complications with the West? Yes, much more - they openly talk about his overthrow, and undiscovered - about his destruction ...
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        3. Kite
          Kite 25 November 2015 10: 38 New
          +9
          The Janissary "guard" was killed in the battle with the oprichnina guard (also almost completely killed) in the battle of Molody. Did you manage to leave offspring? And their genes were not Turkish.
          And the author is a graphomaniac. The first jumped up thought rushes to write down. Yesterday I was in full swing, but what I expressed to the Turks and Erdogan is not subject to recording. The answer will be very harsh, I'm sure. Not in the forehead, but much more painful.
        4. Azitral
          Azitral 25 November 2015 12: 53 New
          +3
          The technical possibility of burning Turkey in the Russian Federation is. We have no opportunity to establish a “no-fly zone” over Turkey: their aviation is not weaker than ours so far, and over Turkey itself it is definitely stronger. Look at the composition and number of cars. NO political considerations can justify the destruction of our citizens in Turkey: at the moment they are involuntary hostages. And as for the nuclear attack ... Maybe these are prejudices, but I have a prejudice against cannibalistic ideas, and the article is frankly cannibalistic. Even Hitler’s Germany, the kind Stalin did not clean up. In my opinion = right.
        5. alexander1
          alexander1 25 November 2015 13: 29 New
          +4
          And nonsense and no! Of course, you can call the ambassador and give him a note, that's all! The Turks will get a hold of her and after waiting a couple of days they will attack another plane or a Russian ship off the coast of Syria! And what! My father told me after another trip to Afghanistan in 86, when a series of incidents occurred in one of the border regions with Pakistan that the Pravda newspaper did not write about! Pakistani gunners got used to shoot at the adjacent territory! The American howitzer brothers in friendship threw them there! And so they first fired at something on the territory of Afghanistan and the Afghans sent a note of protest, then fired at the location of the Tsarandoy part, and again the Afghans wrote a dipnet, and then several shells fell in the location of our troops and did not call the garrison commander in Kabul and Moscow too , but simply fired back from the SZO, and not from the city, but bigger, according to the coordinates of the Pakistani battery. And the silence was two years, more than one shell from beyond the mountains no longer flew!
          And if you want, write notes, you will be closed in a couple of months and the straits will be closed!
          But when the bosses were in charge, fat and weak-willed, no matter how it turned out, the Pakistani F-16s shot down our pilots and the follower saw the leader on fire and asked him to give the green light to launch, said he was keeping the F-16 in sight but from Kabul she shouted "don't you dare!" fat fat pig thinking about her epaulettes and stripes! And all this is in the memoirs! Read it! Putin said if a fight is inevitable, you have to beat first! Here we wait, sir! I really hope that the answer will be as hard as possible! Then maybe we will have a chance on the outskirts, and maybe not only in the Donbass!
        6. His
          His 25 November 2015 18: 58 New
          +1
          Kurds will now have a green light.
        7. biznaw
          biznaw 26 November 2015 09: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Sakhalininets

          It is necessary to resurrect the genetic memory in the descendants of the Janissaries so that for another hundred years they sit on the fifth point evenly, evenly, and send the whole alarmed and agitated brazen-Saxon regional committee in a non-trivial direction.


          About genetic memory and arrogantly Saxon regional committee, my post, it’s painful not to kick, I’m not young for a long time:
          At some point in life, I began to take very seriously omens and forebodings (thinking suddenly it occurred to me that the car was in the yard, it would be necessary to rearrange it. I am rearranging it. The meteorite didn’t fall into this place. At work, the thought flickered that it is necessary to remind the operator to check the tightness of the installation mounting bolts. Did not remind. The bolts tore off. There is no access to the dangling studs, cannot be drilled, and high-strength drilling is still an occupation. Well, distracted)
          So here. On the 24th morning (we work in the forest) over the place where two ravens appeared and started a fight, circle croak and peck each other, probably circled for half an hour, I thought the old people called these raven air battles a bad omen, to bad (to war) (language) bite). Well, in the afternoon the generator started, turned on the telly and then the news started. Well, I think it happened, finally shoe boots.
          The first reaction was, like Kibalchish, then stop! A teenager, or what? Immediately fist in the nose? Putin spoke, well done ... He spoke quietly, but everyone heard. Indeed, the yard school of punks was passed, according to habits, it is visible -not drawn.
          This made an impression on the Turks, they realized they would beat for a long time and slowly with a special sophistication of strikes. Not for nothing that Erdogan is still not trying to get away, he understands it is useless, you have to hide in another city with relatives.
          The war will be. She was already walking. Not according to the Kibalchish script. And probably according to the script described by the Greek saints Cosmas. There will be a section of Turkey with the participation of European countries and Russia. There will be an amphibious landing (the prediction indicates that the soldiers are in red vests). There will be two stages of the war. In the first, the Turks will be able to fight back in the second no, Turkey will be divided into three parts. (I suppose that Greek, Kurdish and Armenian) Alas, the Greeks will be returned to the Greeks, the Turks will leave for the Red Apple Tree (should the Greeks specify where it is? It seems somewhere in the deserts of Libya) It is noteworthy that Cosmas was not mistaken in the events and in the generations in whose lives it will be.
          It is amusing that Cosmas predicted that the Greeks themselves would not take part in the war, since they would be very weak in spirit ... And how then to not believe the saint who looked at the thousand years before the events of the decay and decay of descendants? AND!? There was another phrase at the very beginning of the predictions! - the north wind will blow to Turkey !!!! How could he know about the North Wind !?
    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 25 November 2015 10: 18 New
      +6
      We must understand that this is the East, and in the East they understand only power. As an example of national thinking, I will give a Turkish proverb: a hand that you can’t chop off, kiss and press it to your forehead.

      The Turks must understand that they will not succeed in cutting Russian hands. And the answer should be adequate.

      I believe that the country's leadership and law enforcement agencies are currently working on the question of an adequate answer.
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 25 November 2015 11: 00 New
        +5
        Well, why publish your first unhealthy thoughts to publish. The “softest” version described by the author in the current international politics is inadmissible on our part. And shouting “knock them all out!”, “To Ankara!”, “All into radioactive ashes!” maybe only a narrow-minded person, poorly informed about the number and quality of the Turkish Armed Forces, not to mention the possible support of NATO. The only possible option is economic sanctions (travel industry, import of goods) and an air defense ambush until the first "flight" of a Turkish aircraft into Syrian airspace. And then "smile and wave ..."
    3. alecsis69
      alecsis69 25 November 2015 15: 47 New
      +1
      Something Kabardin is somehow off scale.
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    5. max702
      max702 25 November 2015 17: 54 New
      0
      Very many people were outraged by the extremely tough answer in the comments .. Well .. We’ll consider other less rigid options .. Now we close the air defense border and shoot down the Turkish plane as soon as possible, and then we get two or three of our shot down .. There is such a technical is Turkey an opportunity? Of course! Tell me, what is it for them? What was the first plane shot down for? So again we need to answer, we will allow even one or two bases, sink a couple of ships and in return we get a destroyed base in Syria and serious losses in the naval group .. Is this possible? Yes ! Turkey is far from a whipping boy, but a militarily sound state, and again, we will not forget NATO member. Of course, the US Marines’s divisions, and we won’t see the Bundeswehr’s tank wedges, but the supply and technical support will go to full height, and that’s aviation, and air defense and the Navy, any other military equipment is natural with a certain number of specialists .. And not we need illusions that now NATO seems to have turned its back on Turkey, they just wait, it didn’t work to drag Russia into the war with Ukraine (and somehow it didn’t work kosher), then this is an ideal opponent for this! Century-long hostility (and they don’t like us in Turkey), the increased influence of Turkey in the region (which is not very good), the high military potential of the Turks, which, unlike the Georgians, allows Russia to be drawn into a long and bloody war, gesheft on military orders, and the general instability in the region is only looking at the hand from behind a puddle .. And what have we come to? Russia is drawn into a bloody war in which if it drags on (and it drags on) there is little chance of winning .. As mentioned above, we will not fight with Turkey alone, but de facto with the entire NATO bloc (meat will be local, weapons from around the world ) Accordingly, wherever you look everywhere, a wedge .. And realizing this so as not to get a final defeat (which will lead to the destruction of our country), the leadership will be forced to choose either accept the defeat and disappear forever, or use nuclear weapons with the same probability to disappear forever .. Why? And because getting into the conflict by ordinary means, we are exhausting the country, we will lose all military industrial potential, and even with limited use of nuclear weapons we won’t be able to recover, they will bite us in small pieces on all sides (everyone wants to kick a half-dead lion) For time is lost .. So that you need to think more carefully about the toughest option, it is very likely the only possible one. The first right step has already been taken (tourism ban).
  2. izya top
    izya top 25 November 2015 06: 21 New
    32
    the final resolution by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation of the Turkish question,
    belay What kind of bullshit?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 06: 31 New
      25
      Quote: iza top
      What kind of bullshit?

      The author from Moldova seems to be dreaming of a nuclear apocalypse. He will think of his family and this will not affect him.
      1. izya top
        izya top 25 November 2015 06: 36 New
        16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Author from Moldova

        so trowel in his hands
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 25 November 2015 17: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: iza top
          so trowel in his hands



          Somehow I had a chance to watch a video on the Internet, as the Moldavian "masters" built a structure from foam blocks without cement mortar ... They laughed and sinned ...

          So - that with a pen, that with a trowel - you need to skillfully handle ...
      2. atalef
        atalef 25 November 2015 07: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: iza top
        What kind of bullshit?

        The author from Moldova seems to be dreaming of a nuclear apocalypse. He will think of his family and this will not affect him.

        Hi Sanya
        Do you know why Moldovans do not eat cucumbers from cans?
        The head does not crawl laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 07: 06 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          The head does not crawl

          A Th together with the cans gobble up weakly?
          Sanya is healthy.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 25 November 2015 07: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            A Th together with the cans gobble up weakly?

            I think too what they leave the most delicious fool laughing
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          2. atalef
            atalef 25 November 2015 07: 11 New
            -8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            The head does not crawl

            A Th together with the cans gobble up weakly?
            Sanya is healthy.


            Do you know why Moldovans don’t eat chocolate?
            -They have foil from heartburn wassat
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 25 November 2015 08: 06 New
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              -They have foil from heartburn


              went to delete your comment .. Hello to all the gouging ... Miracles happen ... I'm glad for our second pilot .. fellow
              1. ancient
                ancient 25 November 2015 10: 35 New
                +4
                Quote: vorobey
                I am happy for our second pilot.


                Yes, news in all aspects only fellow

                But I read almost the entire tape and ... I didn’t notice that someone would focus on the next moment ..."..... Therefore, our pilots were expected in advance."
                The author is certainly right here, but ... only to me, the old one, it seems that at the command post, and maybe at the HQ itself ... "it leaks badly" bully
                1. atalef
                  atalef 25 November 2015 11: 17 New
                  +4
                  Quote: ancient
                  I am happy for our second pilot ..

                  We got the news, the pilot was saved good
                2. ydjin
                  ydjin 25 November 2015 15: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: ancient
                  Quote: vorobey
                  I am happy for our second pilot.


                  Yes, news in all aspects only fellow

                  But I read almost the entire tape and ... I didn’t notice that someone would focus on the next moment ..."..... Therefore, our pilots were expected in advance."
                  The author is certainly right here, but ... only to me, the old one, it seems that at the command post, and maybe at the HQ itself ... "it leaks badly" bully

                  Do not leak, organize this attack as two fingers on the asphalt. All you need to have a duty on duty in the area and guidance radar. The missiles launched in the Su-24 were with infrared guidance heads, the warning system on Sushka does not see them.
                3. veksha50
                  veksha50 25 November 2015 17: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: ancient
                  "..... Therefore, our pilots were expected in advance."
                  The author is certainly right here, but ... only to me, the old one, it seems that at the command post, and maybe at the HQ itself ... "it leaks badly"


                  Well, they do not particularly emphasize, but this topic has always been discussed unobtrusively ...

                  Of particular interest is the statement made yesterday by one of our pilots from the VKS group in Syria: "It was an ambush ... they were waiting for us there ..."

                  He did not speak directly about the leak "from above", but when comparing all the facts, you involuntarily come to such a thought ...

                  PS When conducting hostilities in countries where clanism, tribal and family relations are common, the devil himself will not make out who is friend, who is enemy ...

                  Our Tajik border is being guarded, and everything that can flow from the upper Tajik border ... And there's nothing to be done about it ...
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 25 November 2015 07: 29 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Do you know why Moldovans do not eat cucumbers from cans? The head does not crawl

          A very ancient joke, I heard it back in the 80s. True, the source was about tomatoes.
        3. Doomph
          Doomph 25 November 2015 07: 54 New
          -3
          Do you know why the three of them change the light bulb in the chandelier? laughing
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. atalef
            atalef 25 November 2015 08: 09 New
            +4
            Quote: Doomph
            Do you know why the three of them change the light bulb in the chandelier? laughing

            five of us.
            One holds a light bulb, two raise a chair and twist. one runs around in the opposite direction - so that the head spinning on a chair does not spin = one on the door - so that the PHASE does not enter.
            1. Kibalchish
              25 November 2015 08: 19 New
              12
              Good, us, Moldova, offend wassat laughing lol All the jokes are remembered.
              1. Otshelnik
                Otshelnik 25 November 2015 13: 51 New
                0
                Well, People, this Kibalchish eats the very provocateur of kabardin ... !!!
        4. Mooh
          Mooh 26 November 2015 04: 11 New
          0
          atalef
          That's what always pins me on Jews is their love for Nazi jokes. But it’s worth joking with them about the Holocaust, for some reason they’re offended right away request
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 06: 31 New
      +6
      Quote: iza top
      the final resolution by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation of the Turkish question,
      belay What kind of bullshit?

      Kabardina often brings ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 06: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Kabardina often brings ...

        Moldovan young wine sometimes comes unfastened well.
        Quote: iza top
        so trowel in his hands

        He is a tiler belay
        Grow up everyone hi
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 25 November 2015 08: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          He is a tiler


          according to the latest census, such an ethnic group there is 54% .. laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 25 November 2015 09: 01 New
            -1
            Quote: vorobey
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            He is a tiler


            according to the latest census, such an ethnic group there is 54% .. laughing

            Do you know how at birth they determine his future profession?
            Throwing on the wall - stuck - the plasterer, fell to the floor - the shopkeeper
            1. Air Force captain
              Air Force captain 25 November 2015 11: 36 New
              +4
              Listen, what did the Moldovans do to you personally, that you made such a funny srach here? And how do you respect the Jews after that, if you yourself in your own words about other nations deserve the opposite?
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 25 November 2015 15: 12 New
                +3
                Quote: Captain Air Force
                And how do you respect the Jews after that, if you yourself in your own words about other nations deserve the opposite?


                and we ... we are also participating .. let's shame everyone already .. I agree .. drinks
            2. APASUS
              APASUS 25 November 2015 21: 20 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              He is a tiler


              according to the latest census, such an ethnic group there is 54% .. laughing

              Do you know how at birth they determine his future profession?
              Throwing on the wall - stuck - the plasterer, fell to the floor - the shopkeeper

              I'd like to hear your opinion about such information
              Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, before deciding to destroy a Russian aircraft on the border with Syria, enlisted the support of his American counterpart Barack Obama on this issue. This is reported immediately by a number of Arab media, citing information from a source in the Turkish presidential administration.
              1. atalef
                atalef 25 November 2015 21: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: APASUS
                I really want to hear your opinion about such information

                In my delirium.
                Although - given the relationship between Obama and Erdogan - if Obama set him up like that, then good
                Erdogan is not digested by everything; in general, with his antics and pan-Turkism, he has already got everyone.
                The bastard Erdogan - according to the mind, he didn’t go anywhere further than sheep breeding
                In general, one cannot have affairs with the Turks - a knife in the back - Putin said correctly.
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 25 November 2015 22: 01 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  In my nonsense. Although - given the relationship between Obama and Erdogan - if Obama set him up like that, then

                  Obama set him up?
                  In my opinion, Erdogan is trying to push everything into NATO and it partially succeeded, Obama immediately rushed to justify the Turks without even understanding the campaign. The truth of the cold comments of other NATO countries can change the rhetoric of both Erdogan and Obama, no one in NATO expressed a desire to fight for Erdogan’s oil business
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 25 November 2015 06: 56 New
        +9
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Kabardina often brings ...

        Here, especially Kibalchish dispersed. Kolchak's laurels do not give rest? So now it’s not the 1916 year to storm Constantinople with a military landing, things are being done differently.
        Turkey will receive its unique, but economic way. The cessation of the tourist flow and the trade embargo will do them much more damage than shelling an abstract military base. And if now Turkey looks like a rampant stingray that does not have clear explanations for its actions, then the military attack of Russia will be only a joy to them.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 07: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: inkass_98
          So now, and not in 1916, in order to storm Constantinople with a military landing, things are done differently.

          The time has not come yet, but in any case, Constantinople will soon have to be returned to its rightful owners.
          1. anip
            anip 25 November 2015 07: 31 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            but Constantinople, in any case, will soon have to be returned to its rightful owners.

            To whom? Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 07: 33 New
              +4
              Quote: anip
              To whom? Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire?

              We will return to the Greeks.
              1. zadorin1974
                zadorin1974 25 November 2015 08: 58 New
                +9
                Is Alexander stupid contagious? Even if you theoretically imagine the capture of Constantinople, then giving it to Greece is probably the stupidest thought: the Black Sea will become a passage yard. They entrusted the Greeks with the European border, almost half of the EU speaks Arabic. Lukashenko is better than the Americans the seas will calm down and we won’t wonder where the seafood from Belarusians comes from. repeat
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 25 November 2015 09: 15 New
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                We will return to the Greeks.

                if Moscow is the third Rome, it’s better to keep it, according to the principle of Kaliningrad ...
              3. IS-80
                IS-80 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                We will return to the Greeks.

                But to hell with them. I propose to share the straits together with Israel and Kazakhstan.
                1. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 25 November 2015 09: 54 New
                  +4
                  And what does Israel have to do with it? As, however, is Kazakhstan. Just confiscate the straits and waters of the Sea of ​​Marmara as compensation for the incident.
                  1. IS-80
                    IS-80 25 November 2015 10: 36 New
                    +2
                    Quote: abrakadabre
                    And what does Israel have to do with it?

                    What do you mean? Israel knows how to work efficiently, in the case of screams that it is illegal we will accuse the screamers of anti-Semitism, in addition, this will once again emphasize the fact that we are not invaders and aggressors, but quite adequate people and not just rowing for ourselves. In general, this solution has many other advantages.
                    1. abrakadabre
                      abrakadabre 25 November 2015 11: 06 New
                      0
                      It’s not enough to suddenly transfer such a key territory to them. Explanation from the category of pulling a hedgehog on a snake.
                      1. IS-80
                        IS-80 25 November 2015 11: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: abrakadabre
                        It’s not enough to suddenly transfer such a key territory to them. Explanation from the category of pulling a hedgehog on a snake.

                        You just don't know much about geopolitics.
                2. skeptic
                  skeptic 25 November 2015 11: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  We will return to the Greeks.

                  But to hell with them. I propose to share the straits together with Israel and Kazakhstan.


                  You don’t offer too wide a strait?
                  1. IS-80
                    IS-80 25 November 2015 16: 42 New
                    -1
                    Quote: skeptic
                    You don’t offer too wide a strait?

                    What do you specifically dislike?
            2. Evgen_Vasilich
              Evgen_Vasilich 25 November 2015 09: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: anip
              To whom? Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire?

              Moscow the third Rome and the fourth did not happen (C)
          2. vladimir_krm
            vladimir_krm 25 November 2015 12: 05 New
            0
            And Mount Ararat too :)
        2. Azitral
          Azitral 25 November 2015 13: 03 New
          0
          In principle, I agree with you. But about: "that a military attack by Russia will be only a joy to them ..." - this is still unlikely. Agree, you got excited.
      3. Kibalchish
        25 November 2015 07: 32 New
        12
        We Moldovans love hardcore.

        I wrote this, at first glance, crazy line with a specific back thought - that if such texts are monitored by one of the Turkish state structures (and this is almost certainly) related to political analysis, then they should understand that there are also such moods. In this particular case, the harder the better.


        If Ankara knows that Russian public opinion requires not just revenge, but revenge is extremely cruel, then it will appreciate the compromises that Putin will offer. This is psychology, and I thought the goals for which this was voiced will be clear and will play along in the comments. But the plan was too cunning hi

        And yes, a serious share of emotions is present. I do not want to once again leave the killing of our people unpunished.
        1. Throw
          Throw 25 November 2015 08: 06 New
          +6
          Then you are better than the Turks on mordobuk under the Big Secret send the "Map of the forecast radioactive contamination of Turkey to determine the direction of deployment of the n-th tank brigade with the support of the Kurdish militia" and the invoice for kits OZK in Kurdistan.
          Will get through faster laughing
        2. Otshelnik
          Otshelnik 25 November 2015 13: 55 New
          0
          Kabardin, you kind of wrote that you are from the Donbass !! Prove it?
    3. Letun
      Letun 25 November 2015 07: 14 New
      0
      Quote: iza top
      the final resolution by the Strategic Nuclear Forces of the Russian Federation of the Turkish question,
      belay What kind of bullshit?

      It seems like some people pounded a piss on the head.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 25 November 2015 07: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Letun

        It seems like some people pounded a piss on the head.

        yes Together with a pot sad
        1. Banshee
          Banshee 25 November 2015 08: 05 New
          +8
          Quote: Kibalchish
          If Ankara will know that Russian public opinion demands not just revenge, but revenge exclusively cruel, it will appreciate more the compromises that Putin will offer.


          What are the mandarin compromises? What are you talking about? That is about nuclear retaliation, then about some compromises that Putin will offer ...

          What compromises do you expect from Putin? Are we the Turkish plane shot down? Sorry, but this Erdogan should already fly to Moscow with a huge jar of Vaseline. Although with petroleum jelly still need to deserve.

          Compromises from Putin ... come up with the same ...
          1. Kibalchish
            25 November 2015 08: 15 New
            13
            That's it. Our neighbor must understand what exactly he did. In this case, we public opinion should play the role of "bad cop", and Putin - the "good." This is the same as Kiselev’s plot on channel Russia about the radioactive ashes into which ours can turn the USA - a verbal message. Someone has to voice this and everything so that the enemy understands who he is dealing with.

            Erdogan is required.

            1. Public apology before Russia, brought by him personally

            2. Material compensation and condolences to the families of the victims.

            3. Compensation of Russia for a lost plane


            Forcing him to do all this is possible only with a good fright.



            logically, we should all tear and throw. In the East, a different reaction is considered weakness.
            1. Stiletto
              Stiletto 25 November 2015 08: 55 New
              +7
              Quote: Kibalchish
              Erdogan is required.

              1. A public apology to Russia personally brought by him

              2. Compensation and condolences to the families of the victims.

              3. Compensation of Russia for a lost plane


              Forcing him to do all this is possible only with a good fright.


              I’ll add on my own, plus the extradition of those who shot down the plane and authorized it; the complete destruction of the bearded village that shot our pilots parachuting from small arms in the sky.
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 25 November 2015 09: 43 New
                -2
                I’ll add from myself, plus the extradition of those who shot down the plane and authorized it
                The extradition of the military, which was only executing a political order, would automatically mean a military coup in the style of Pinochet in Chile. Not even in the style of the Egyptian, relatively soft displacement of the Islamist scumbag Sisi (or whatever it is ...).
                In Turkey, the army’s position is strong. And their support or not support means a lot.
                But for us, in this case, as it were, it does not matter. This is their inner sandbox.
              2. veksha50
                veksha50 25 November 2015 17: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: Stiletto
                plus the extradition of those who shot down the plane


                Hmm ... I myself would have torn them at the beginning (yesterday) ...

                And today, having quenched my anger and rage, I can say: that lieutenant-captain-major who shot down our plane only obeyed the order ... So the problem is not in it, not in the pilot of this plane ...

                That Erdogan would swim in the lake with crocodiles to run - that would be soooo ...
          2. Otshelnik
            Otshelnik 25 November 2015 13: 55 New
            0
            Kibalchish (3) SU October 14, 2014 13:01 ↑
            Igor Kabardin is me. I am truly a journalist by profession, have a higher historical education. Diploma Specialization: US Foreign Policy and History. But now I mainly work in East Asia. But sometimes I unsubscribe on other topics. For example, Ukraine and the domestic policy of the Russian Federation.
            I myself am from Donbass, but the last time I was there in 1995 and now I don’t know all the layouts.
  3. oldav
    oldav 25 November 2015 06: 21 New
    +9
    Urgent measures; Put air defense systems where possible, fly only under cover, Aim missiles located at the Black Sea Fleet at the most important targets in Turkey, and strengthen the force grouping in Armenia by 2 times.
    Long term measures; Prohibit the sale of vouchers for resorts, suspend the "Turkish stream" or build it on our terms and conditions at our prices, drive out all construction companies and transfer objects to other partners, introduce a visa regime.
  4. Oml
    Oml 25 November 2015 06: 21 New
    +9
    What a point bombing - carpet!
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 25 November 2015 07: 07 New
      0
      Sunshine is just right for these purposes!
      1. ivanovbg
        ivanovbg 25 November 2015 07: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Younger, I
        Sunshine is just right for these purposes!


        The practical range of Solntsepek is not more than 4-6 km, for strikes on Turkey means are needed with a range of at least 100 times higher. Do not write erundoa if you do not understand anything in military affairs. And also "Colonel General", expert, damn it!
  5. sa-zz
    sa-zz 25 November 2015 06: 22 New
    +9
    I don’t know if it was true or not information appeared on the Lebanese television channel Al Mayadeen that the co-pilot of the Su-24 was rescued by the Syrian military after six hours of searching for two hours out of the zone and it seems like he is now at the Russian airbase. I pray that it is true. Off no information.
    Very sorry for the dead pilot and paratrooper.
    1. Insurgent LC
      Insurgent LC 25 November 2015 07: 01 New
      +7
      here’s a screen from ukrgovnosayta pay attention already and the black tape in the photo stuck. I have no words so far my heart bleeds, God forbid that the co-pilot was alive.
    2. S-cream
      S-cream 25 November 2015 16: 35 New
      0
      Pilot and Marine.
  6. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 25 November 2015 06: 23 New
    +7
    Did the author stab or sniff something? belay
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. mgvalaev
        mgvalaev 25 November 2015 06: 52 New
        +3
        just emotions!
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 25 November 2015 06: 24 New
    +5
    Revenge, this is the dish that is served cold ... "The Darkest" is a great cook, it will be one of his best cold dishes. I think so ..
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 25 November 2015 06: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      Revenge, this is the dish that is served cold ... "The Darkest" is a great cook, it will be one of his best cold dishes. I think so ..

      There will be no sophisticated revenge. It will be limited at the dip level.
  8. Private Starley
    Private Starley 25 November 2015 06: 24 New
    +3
    Eh, the Greeks would keep their word, they somehow warned that if the Turks announced that they would shoot down all aircraft over their territory, then the Greeks could also shoot down the aircraft of the Turks violating the airspace of Greece ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 06: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Private Starley
      Eh, the Greeks would keep their word, they somehow warned that if the Turks announced that they would shoot down all aircraft over their territory, then the Greeks could also shoot down the aircraft of the Turks violating the airspace of Greece ...

      a NATO member country, knocking down planes of another NATO member country? Think what you write ...
      1. ivanovbg
        ivanovbg 25 November 2015 07: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.

        a NATO member country, knocking down planes of another NATO member country? Think what you write ...


        You are not very familiar with the situation in the Balkans, there is a tangle of (almost) insoluble contradictions. In 1974, Turkey and Greece openly fought against each other over Northern Cyprus, despite the fact that both are NATO member countries.
        1. Belousov
          Belousov 25 November 2015 11: 12 New
          0
          Shtatniks will not allow their servants to fight among themselves. Only with the specified external enemy.
  9. Neophyte
    Neophyte 25 November 2015 06: 31 New
    11
    Support for the Kurds and the destruction of several Turkish aircraft when they arrive
    to Syria, bomb the Kurds!
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 25 November 2015 12: 59 New
      +1
      When crossing the Syrian border ANY air targets must be destroyed! Any!
  10. svskor80
    svskor80 25 November 2015 06: 32 New
    +5
    Chopping hot should not be. At the moment, there will be enough refusals from trips and communication between the Russian leadership and the Turks. It is more closely to monitor the Turkish-Syrian border and, at the slightest doubt, to shoot down planes, helicopters, UAVs of Turks. I think our air defense will allow this to be done.
  11. Private Starley
    Private Starley 25 November 2015 06: 32 New
    +1
    and now these hemp sang: "... Turkey, after condemning the UN, changed its tone quite abruptly, there were excuses in the press and on Turkish television. They all sound the same - we did not know that this was a Russian plane, we thought it was a Syrian plane, and Syrians at one time shot down a Turkish plane.

    Indeed, several years ago, Turkey changed the rules in case of invasion of its airspace. Recall that then Syria shot down a Turkish plane. According to the decree of Ankara, all unidentified aircraft elements that are approaching from the side of Syria, began to be regarded as a threat. ... "

    http://rovego.livejournal.com/5792625.html?utm_campaign=transit&utm_source=mirte
    sen & utm_medium = news & from = mirtesen
    1. sa-zz
      sa-zz 25 November 2015 07: 27 New
      +4
      Recall that then Syria shot down a Turkish plane


      This two-faced sh.a.k.a.l then declared that entering into airspace was no reason to bring down an airplane. Moreover, the Su-24 was shot down in Syria.
  12. Ayujak
    Ayujak 25 November 2015 06: 34 New
    11
    I would not mind wiping Turkey off, but this is too much, of course. Base attack is also not an option. And to shoot down everything that flies close to the border - yes.
    It really is a knife in the back. In a nightmare it was impossible to imagine that the Turks would do such a thing. Therefore, there was no cover and air defense did not work.

    Shame on the Turks for having a fascist government and president!
  13. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 25 November 2015 06: 40 New
    +4
    Close the sky of Syria from the Turks. I think to grab even warnings. And so they got into a mess after running to the NATO
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 25 November 2015 09: 25 New
      +2
      In this case, of course, a blow to objects in Turkey itself is too much. The most tough answer can be in the style of:
      1. The official closure of the region of operation for flights on the condition of shooting down without warning any flying object within the reach of air defense (and not in state borders) that has not passed recognition by a friend or foe system.
      2. At the same time, the official prohibition of the contingent in Syria to enter into any negotiations or radio exchanges with the designated violators of the no-fly zone. In view of this, any attempts by unidentified aircraft to get in touch should be ignored with the immediate simultaneous opening of fire to defeat.
      3. Also, an official notification to all that identification of the violators at the time of the special operation will be carried out in principle only on the wreckage after the defeat. With no exceptions. Even if it will be the number 1 side.
      4. Any claims of third parties regarding such a tough flight regime in the region should be redirected to Ankara.
      5. Notify that this mode takes effect one hour or two hours after publication.
  14. sesame
    sesame 25 November 2015 06: 41 New
    0
    This is either nonsense or provocation.
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 November 2015 06: 42 New
    +3
    Turkey acted like a rat. It dealt a vile and provocative blow, after which Erdogan immediately ran under the wing of NATO to ask for protection if, what. The answer of course should be naturally harsh. But the author did not simply go too far with the third option, but wrote obvious rubbish.
  16. Pissarro
    Pissarro 25 November 2015 06: 46 New
    +5
    Kabardin, as usual, writes nonsense. The organizers of this carefully planned provocation precisely count on an inadequate emotional response. And the answer should be a thoughtful cold head. Provocation-an attempt by Turkey to get out of the impasse into which it drove itself, a complete failure of Turkish plans in Syria, a solid ring of "friends" in the form of Greece, Cyprus, Armenia, Syria, Iran, Iraqi Kurdistan, and now Russia. They don’t take to Europe, crowds of refugees and terrorists generated by Turkish politics and the Kurdish question. And behind the back of Erdogan is an army that he humiliated and imprisoned him for years at the first opportunity. Now, farewell to Russian tourists and cheap gas, and possibly the Russian market for food and construction, goodbye to stolen oil from ISIS. All that remains is to arrange provocations in the last hope of what Turkey is NATO will fit and save Erdogan’s ass
    1. mildew
      mildew 25 November 2015 12: 38 New
      +1
      And I think that the military framed Erdogan. It’s too stupid to go on such a provocation. The military response is not your option. Trade must be curtailed and tourism will ruin them. You can relax with us in the summer. It’s not expensive and people treat Russians well. The languages ​​are similar, faith is one and so on. Only these cases are terrifying for you.
      1. Mooh
        Mooh 26 November 2015 04: 31 New
        0
        Quote: pleven
        Only these cases are terrifying for you.

        Look at your farts with cheshma laughing
  17. magician
    magician 25 November 2015 06: 49 New
    +1
    fantasies. revenge is a cold dish. according to the deserts, all involved will be rewarded.
  18. Taygerus
    Taygerus 25 November 2015 06: 51 New
    +1
    urgently need to block this cordon between Syria and the Turks and consecutively destroy the whole rabble that had gathered, arrest all the assets and real estate in Russia from the Turks, take out tourists and prohibit flights from him, like selling vouchers, prohibit flights of Turkish airlines in Russia and selling products made in Turkey, throw out all their construction companies

    Condolences to the relatives of the victims, the eternal memory of the Heroes
    give GOD without further loss
  19. tracer
    tracer 25 November 2015 07: 05 New
    +1
    On an emotional level, Kabardin can be understood. "Or maybe we’ll hit it? We’ll definitely hit it ... The whole world is in dust. But then." FIRST ... AND THE STRAIGHT IN THE TURK PLACE. But seriously, Armageddon does not want anyone. And even forever on his need is completely redundant. There will be an answer, but not in the way they calculate. Which one no one knows. All our versions are nothing more than speculations. Only the supreme commander-in-chief has a complete picture of the past and the ability to competently compete.
  20. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 25 November 2015 07: 13 New
    +2
    At the expense of the Greeks, I would not have hoped. They are still warriors. The Turks, at one time they broke it is not sickly.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2015 07: 38 New
      0
      Quote: hohryakov066
      The Turks, at one time they broke it is not sickly.

      Due to help from the Soviet Socialist Republic: guns, shells, ammunition and other "goodies", and most importantly 24 million (in gold) to pay to the ascera. Without money, the Turks will not fight! I have no doubt that it was not without our internationalists.
  21. Junior, I
    Junior, I 25 November 2015 07: 14 New
    +2
    Boomerang tends to return with even greater force.
    I hope Russia does not take long to wait!
    Not far from our air base, a large air force (Ingerlik) was created and continues to replenish. Most of which are fighters. The data are approximate. 12 American F-15C (clean fighters and well-armed), 14 F-16 Turkish Air Force. Well, a trifle, such as attack aircraft and tankers.

    Dismantle everything that stands there and moves.
  22. Flinky
    Flinky 25 November 2015 07: 19 New
    +1
    What a joy that our President is not Igor Kabardin.
    1. anfil
      anfil 25 November 2015 07: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Flinky
      What a joy that our President is not Igor Kabardin.



      Germans are joking
  23. Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 25 November 2015 07: 32 New
    0
    Some kind of deficiency ... The mildest answer, most likely, can be called extremely harsh.
    Well, a nuclear attack by a non-nuclear state is all nonsense. And a direct violation of the laws of the Russian Federation.
    1. U-96
      U-96 25 November 2015 07: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Griboedoff
      Some kind of inadequate.

      no. It's just that the writings were late for exactly one day. Yesterday this lover of apocalyptic scenarios on VO would have a lot of pluses. Yeah, this in the morning, it's like "Did you order Petrosyan for coffee? ...".
      Soft answer
      Moderately hard answer
      Extremely hard answer


      Don't stop!

      The best answer
      Megastough answer
      Death Star salvo of all latches and guns

      (after taking sedative)
      Spoon snow bothering, the night is big ...
    2. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 25 November 2015 13: 06 New
      0
      Why nuclear?
      To plow them all ports and airfields with non-nuclear weapons.
      A joke of course.
      But the answer should be such that they are afraid to look in our direction, and not just mow and speak with an eye !!!
  24. Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2015 07: 44 New
    +1
    Makarych: "the most difficult thing is to wait ..."
  25. Russia
    Russia 25 November 2015 07: 46 New
    +1
    Soft answer

    Moderately hard answer

    Extremely hard answer

    And who is responsible?
    All in white, on a white horse, with a bare saber .... and without a head?
  26. Raskolnik
    Raskolnik 25 November 2015 07: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    recognize an independent Kurdistan would be in the very hole so to speak!
    +1 This will be a blow to Turkey worse than nuclear. Especially if the Kurds begin to receive "Syrian" weapons. And if we add here the gap in economic and tourist ties, then no Syrian oil will compensate for the share of these grandmothers. Revenge is a dish that comes up cold.
  27. Denis81
    Denis81 25 November 2015 07: 51 New
    0
    I’m afraid it’s not blasphemous .. Americans, NATO and others like them are silent for a reason. I'm afraid now the hunt for our second pilot is secretly announced. and it’s clear for what purpose. God grant him health, courage. I hope he will tell the whole truth so that these “partners” would not even want to grind nonsense about “protecting their airspace” with the objective testimony of the surviving pilot. Health, good luck. And waiting for the truth
  28. provincial
    provincial 25 November 2015 07: 53 New
    +4
    I'm afraid to cause a lot of negative emotions, but I think there will be no response to the actions of Turkey from the Russian Federation. As before the Second World War.
  29. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 25 November 2015 07: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Kibalchish
    We Moldovans love hardcore.

    I wrote this, at first glance, crazy line with a specific back thought - that if such texts are monitored by one of the Turkish state structures (and this is almost certainly) related to political analysis, then they should understand that there are also such moods. In this particular case, the harder the better.


    If Ankara knows that Russian public opinion requires not just revenge, but revenge is extremely cruel, then it will appreciate the compromises that Putin will offer. This is psychology, and I thought the goals for which this was voiced will be clear and will play along in the comments. But the plan was too cunning hi

    And yes, a serious share of emotions is present. I do not want to once again leave the killing of our people unpunished.

    If so, then it will. And then after reading the article I thought that someone was crazy.
  30. Waroc
    Waroc 25 November 2015 07: 59 New
    0
    The author, reduce the degree of intensity of emotions - they are all going off scale now, and start thinking with your head. It seems to me that nuclear war, albeit local, has other alternatives, albeit not so loud and spectacular, but no less effective!

    And of course I would like to bang on scum ...
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 November 2015 08: 01 New
    0
    First, evacuate ours from Turkey.
    And at this time come up with a decent answer.
    Directly hammering is not worth it.
    But here are her interests in our territory,
    in the territory of our friendly countries,
    worth minimizing.
    Let the Turks eat their own fruits / vegetables
    and relax at their resorts.
    This is what they definitely expect in the near future.
  32. Orang
    Orang 25 November 2015 08: 14 New
    0
    Now it is necessary to eliminate the son of Erdogan. The resignation of Erdogan himself. Do not pull with your son, so that it was clear why. Russia, of course, has nothing to do with it. Bad company is to blame.
    At the first opportunity to shoot down a Turkish plane, I think there will be no difficulties with an occasion.
    1. mark2
      mark2 25 November 2015 09: 04 New
      -1
      The son is not responsible for the father!
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 25 November 2015 09: 47 New
        +4
        In this case, as a curator of the resale of oil stolen in Syria, he goes like an accomplice. And not as an outside relative.
        1. Orang
          Orang 25 November 2015 13: 56 New
          0
          Quote: abrakadabre
          he goes like an accomplice. And not as an outside relative.

          Exactly. Erdogan has two sons, but one must be killed, Bilal, anointed with ISIS.
        2. Genry
          Genry 25 November 2015 14: 01 New
          +1
          There’s also an accomplice’s daughter.
          ISIS fighters are treated in a hospital owned by Erdogan’s daughter:

          Source: http://politikus.ru/events/63798-boeviki-igil-lechatsya-v-gospitale-prinadlezhas
          chem-docheri-erdogana.html

  33. Skalpel
    Skalpel 25 November 2015 08: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: provincial
    I'm afraid to cause a lot of negative emotions, but I think there will be no response to the actions of Turkey from the Russian Federation. As before the Second World War.

    The provincial is not so wrong. The situation is increasingly reminiscent of recent years before the Second World War. The fact that the destruction of our "drying" is a planned provocation is understandable. But alone, was this meanness planned? Or is this decision in the ear of a freak Edorgan whispered to us notorious personalities?
    The answer should be unequivocal! And clearly it must be at least commensurate! Direct military operation - too primitive and very expected by the Turkish bastard. But the SCALE actions of the special services, the comprehensive economic impact, the pressure in Turkey on Turkish business, the activation of "unknown" hackers in relation to Turkish systems and organizations - that’s it.
  34. Arkan
    Arkan 25 November 2015 08: 37 New
    0
    You can shoot down a Turkish plane, but why ?! Economic sanctions against Turkey, better missiles will finish the ruling regime in this country.
    1. U-96
      U-96 25 November 2015 08: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Arkan
      You can shoot down a Turkish plane, but why ?!

      this is from lovers of symmetrical answers)
      Quote: Arkan
      Economic sanctions against Turkey, better missiles will finish the ruling regime in this country.

      Erdie’s position is now rather precarious, the dream of turning Turkey from a parliamentary into a presidential republic is a big question. The opposition will do everything to provoke a government crisis. However, with skillful manipulations, he can even get some profits from the situation. We will see.
      1. mark2
        mark2 25 November 2015 09: 03 New
        +1
        But to throw the money of the Turkish opposition, if possible, would not hurt. The Color Revolutions method would be nice to try.
        1. Mooh
          Mooh 26 November 2015 04: 38 New
          0
          We have been fighting economic methods for a long time. Where is the result?
  35. passerby1
    passerby1 25 November 2015 08: 41 New
    +5
    Yes, there will be no answer. We got lost and pretend that everything is OK, well, and "stopped cooperation on the military line." It turns out that the country's membership in NATO comes with a free bonus in the form of the ability to shoot down Russian planes with impunity and kill pilots.
  36. INF
    INF 25 November 2015 08: 45 New
    -1
    Tough answers will be in case of repeated mistake of Turkey, but not earlier.
    1. provincial
      provincial 25 November 2015 09: 03 New
      +1
      then we wait for the Turks to make another mistake, and then .......
      1. Orang
        Orang 25 November 2015 13: 59 New
        0
        Quote: provincial
        then we wait for the Turks to make another mistake, and then .......

        like the chinese
  37. mark2
    mark2 25 November 2015 09: 01 New
    +1
    Extremely tough answer Author Igor Kabardin


    fool

    And how do we relax on our radioactive Black Sea, among other things?
  38. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 25 November 2015 09: 18 New
    +1
    ERDOGAN, BURNING IN HELL !!!!
  39. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 25 November 2015 09: 25 New
    +2
    The author is not that a minus - a minuscule of enormous size. To consider breaking off diplomatic relations with Turkey a “soft” answer? And he did not confuse soft with warm? The severance of diplomatic relations with the country is in itself practically a declaration of war. I note at the same time: people who are not quite adequate, or who know that they themselves will not take part in it, can call for war (which the author does quite unequivocally). Like, we will scream, but let them not kill us.
    From the history. In 1945, the Americans also “made a mistake” several times in this way and bombed our columns and front lines. It happens, yeah. Confuse the Tigers with the T-34, and the ZIS-5 and Studebakers — with the German Opels — how to do it. And what, did the USSR break off diplomatic relations with the United States? Oh my god. They solved the problem locally and by purely local means, even without the pressure of diplomatic channels. After this local decision, the propensity for "mistakes" in the Americans repelled completely.
  40. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 November 2015 09: 46 New
    0
    Turkey is somewhat reminiscent of a bastard kid from the time of the yard wars - he shit in a neighboring yard and runs to the older boys to seek protection.
  41. slimp
    slimp 25 November 2015 09: 58 New
    0
    The author - what kind of nonsense !!! Are you or an enemy?
    It is necessary to react, but what you offer is a dignified unbalanced teenager. We are already pushing the Turks (depriving them of oil), so we must continue in the same vein, you can close the sky for flights (and I got the impression that we are already doing this).

    But start a war ...
    In addition, the president of Turkey is not all of Turkey ...
  42. Belgorod
    Belgorod 25 November 2015 09: 59 New
    0
    Revenge is a dish to be served cold
  43. Letterksi
    Letterksi 25 November 2015 10: 18 New
    +2
    In this video, Marat Musin removed the rescue operation of the helicopter crew and the time of the destruction of the Su-24
  44. vvp2412
    vvp2412 25 November 2015 10: 36 New
    0
    is the author crazy?
  45. Anton Valerevich
    Anton Valerevich 25 November 2015 10: 52 New
    +1
    If this incident is slowed down, then tomorrow the Estonian Air Force will begin to defend its national interests in the sky over St. Petersburg.
    As for me, the most appropriate answer would be to smack a cruise missile at Erdogan's residence.
  46. Infernal man
    Infernal man 25 November 2015 10: 57 New
    +1
    why such youthful ravings do not pass moderation? The point is to print this immature nonsense on the portal? My son also argues at the age of 12, as the author of the article. According to the content presented here, an opinion is formed about the portal as a whole. Do not turn into a censor.
  47. hartlend
    hartlend 25 November 2015 11: 08 New
    +1
    Correctly in the comments they wrote that Kabardin would wake up and deliver a nuclear strike. And if in essence - the answer will be. Another question we will find out or not. Each layer has its own level of information.
  48. hotrod
    hotrod 25 November 2015 11: 25 New
    0
    That is, the author in response to a provocation wants to respond with precisely those options to which they provoke. Excellent foresight.

    Putin is the most influential world politician. Smart and tough. Will answer.

    In general, here many have the desire that geopolitics be in real time, under a television camera. Learn endurance, comrades!
  49. geko
    geko 25 November 2015 11: 46 New
    +1
    Some kind of science fiction author. In real life, a mild answer would be the toughest, which could be considered an adequate state.
  50. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 25 November 2015 11: 58 New
    0
    It is intended to destroy any air targets that pose a threat.
    It’s better: to destroy ANY air targets over the territory of Syria that do not belong to the Russian Federation.
    And in general: FREEDOM FOR INDEPENDENT KURDISTAN !!!