Turkish Armed Forces General Staff: Russian plane was shot down "after 10 warnings about violation of Turkish airspace"

Turkish edition Hurriyet Daily News reports that the Russian Su-24 bomber was shot down by F-16 interceptor fighters of the Turkish Air Force. Moreover, the Ministry of Defense of this country claims that the plane allegedly violated Turkish airspace, received warnings from the Turkish side several times, but “did not take proper measures”. Allegedly, only after repeated warnings from the pilots of the Turkish Air Force "had to" open fire to kill.

Hurriyet Daily News reports that the Russian crew managed to eject, and one of the pilots is in the hands of "local Turkmen tribes." The fate of the second pilot, the Turkish media have not yet reported.

Information Agency Reuters publishes material that the crew of the Russian bomber, who allegedly violated Turkish airspace, was warned at least 10 times. Reuters writes about this, referring to the statements of the Turkish General Staff, from which in such a situation it is difficult to expect any other clarification.

The Russian Ministry of Defense confirms information about the plane crash, while claiming that the aircraft of the Turkish airspace did not violate and was over Syria.

A video has already appeared on the Internet, the authors of which claim that it shows the moment of the capture of the Russian pilot by Turkmen tribes. After some time, the video from YouTube was deleted by the user.

CNN's Turkish office claims that one of the Russian pilots was killed.

If the Russian plane was shot down in the airspace of Syria, then Turkey’s actions at the suggestion of "NATO friends" and "partners" from certain countries of the Arabian Peninsula are difficult to call Russia a declaration of war.

Comments

[Aslan88]

One pilot captured by the Turkman. So said from the RBC Channel.

[Enot_33]

Ambassador to the carpet. Evacuation of tourists. Further on the situation.

[kit-kat]

What for to evacuate them. They are traitors.

[lelikas]

Quote: kit-kat

What for to evacuate them. They are traitors.

Head in the morning is not it?

[kit-kat]

Is it a betrayal to drive to enemies and carry money to them?

[Airdefence_107]

Until today, the Turks were not counted as enemies.

[Disant]

How would anyone have them? In the USSR Armed Forces and the RF Armed Forces - have always been the main enemy in the south. member of NATO.
the fact that someone on the Turkish sand overheated does not mean anything

[just exp]

the Turks wanted a war
ours flew along the way, or rather touched the border with Turkey, but it was a 3 km span, that is, there are no 10 warnings, we stupidly waited until it touched and shmalnuli, that is, they were preparing, making an ambush.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: just explo

the Turks wanted a war

There is no doubt. This is a provocation.
I think our Armed Forces are already on alert.
Our forces in Latakia are not enough to withstand the Turkish Air Force.

But Turkey is under fire today from three directions. Missile cruiser "MOSCOW" and other ships in the Mediterranean. Black Sea and from the Caspian Sea.

[just exp]

Turkey shoots the main thing that is from near space, it is from there that the RCM ICBMs will fall on it if it loses its scent. and she already lost him.

[Madbir]

so ready to start the third world light? Then there will be no one to rejoice in victory, except for cockroaches ...

[Mih]

And live like cockroaches? Better to die standing than to live on your knees !!!

[Dilshat]

Why, then, immediately the third world? First, our largest tour operators are strongly recommended to curtail their business in Turkey. Duty on Turkish goods. Governors give the command: Turkish construction business give goodbye. With the southern stream more difficult but not fatal. Most important: Turkey supports the terrorists, we we support the Kurds, we support them so firmly. You should not be shy, masks have been dropped. What are the Kurds in need of? Trained officers, militia trained by the methods of sabotage war? MANPADS? Please! By what principle does he live Turkey and the West? The enemy of my enemy is friend. So why are we worse?

[August]

Turkey has enough anti -arable missiles to sink the entire Black Sea Fleet right on the Sevastopol roadstead even without the help of other NATO countries. Therefore, they will not have ANYTHING. They also beckon with the "Turkish stream" like Buridan's donkey. So an apology will do. The maximum flow of tourists will be cut off, and then they will have to say goodbye to dreams of an alternative to the Ukrainian route of gas supplies to Europe. "Remember this tweet" (c)

[TURAR]

But it’s not easier to close the airspace over the Series for everyone outside the UN mandate i.e. for USA and Co + Turkey.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: TURAR

But it’s not easier to close the airspace over the Series for everyone outside the UN mandate i.e. for USA and Co + Turkey.

Absolutely right. It is not only possible to make a no-fly zone, but also completely within the framework of the legal field, by decision of the official Damascus.
Russian VKS (Air Defense) will provide a no-fly zone

[NEXUS]

Quote: _Vladislav_

Absolutely right. It is not only possible to make a no-fly zone, but also completely within the framework of the legal field, by decision of the official Damascus.
Russian VKS (Air Defense) will provide a no-fly zone

Of course, it is possible and probably necessary ... but our bomber was shot down from the ground. And what he did there unaccompanied is also not clear.

[silver_roman]

not the fact that from the earth. And if so, why do the Turks scream about the Air Force, and the Yankees immediately support them? provocation....
another thing is interesting: are there any incidents of violation by the Turks of the state border of Syria after the beginning of our operation there?

[NEXUS]

Quote: silver_roman

not the fact that from the earth.

Our Ministry of Defense speaks about this. The situation is bad anyway. It’s not Chechnya, where you could conceal something and not disclose it. It is full of shot-down bomber rollers, and in fact it’s a diversion intended to check the strength of the statements of the GDP and the Kremlin’s resolve. the whole world will know this, but no, I really would not want to get a war with NATO ... but in fact they are trying to force us to do what the Americans want, not with words but with actions. The question is what the Kremlin will answer. Inside and inside Russia is waiting for this answer and take away not peaceful.
At present, GDP is not at all a simple situation. It remains to wait.

[silver_roman]

“The plane was shot down by a rocket from a Turkish plane, located 1 km from the Turkish border. Our pilots did not threaten the Turkish Republic in any way. This is an obvious thing. They performed an operation to combat IS. In northern Latakia, this is the mountainous part, where militants come from Russia, pilots attacked terrorists who could return to Russia at any time, ”Putin said.
quote from "Look"

at the expense of the most difficult situation, I completely agree with you. It infuriates me that they dared to do such a thing, i.e. took a chance !!!! During the USSR, such a thought would certainly not have arisen. I remember the USSR and the British poked threats about the use of nuclear weapons! the answer should be in the Yankee style: I remember how the Germans (or French) did not obey something, immediately the civilian aircraft fell, it was about the bottom of the time with the Malaysian Boeing. So it is necessary here. The answer does not have to be official, BUT it must be such that everyone understands who did it and why, but could not prove the involvement of the Russian Federation. For example, an explosion of a chemical plant, etc.

[NEXUS]

Quote: silver_roman

For example, an explosion of a chemical plant, etc.

Peaceful citizens cannot be touched otherwise than we will be better than terrorists.

[silver_roman]

to scale.

Quote: NEXUS

Peaceful citizens cannot be touched otherwise than we will be better than terrorists.

I'm not sure what is possible, but not.
Nobody thinks about our civilians.
first aircraft in egypt. Terrorist attack !!! Does anyone think of ours? if the murder of Turkish citizens will help prevent the death of our citizens. I am ready to go for it in the CONTEXT OF THIS SITUATION !!!!!!
otherwise it turns out we are sitting and talking about what is possible and what isn’t, and at that time 260 people died in the terrorist attack, the su-24 died along the way with a saw. the fate of the second is unknown! that to hell !!!!!

[NEXUS]

Quote: silver_roman

otherwise it turns out we are sitting and talking about what is possible and what isn’t, and at that time 260 people died in the terrorist attack, the su-24 died along the way with a saw. the fate of the second is unknown! that to hell !!!!!

I understand your feelings and share them ... but if we start to blow up civilian factories and their planes, how will we be better than them or ISIS?

[silver_roman]

I would not compare any retaliatory measures of the Russian Federation with ISIS.
The president is obliged to protect his citizens, we see that many countries do not disdain to kill our civilians, pursuing some of their goals. We cannot officially respond by military means, as sometimes the grapples struck are not official. Therefore, we must act in the same way.
I understand that peaceful Turks are not to blame, but I repeat: I am ready to donate 1000 Turks for our one person. Just if it were an isolated case, and so this is already a trend !!!!! and it scares

[NEXUS]

Quote: silver_roman

I would not compare any retaliatory measures of the Russian Federation with ISIS.

I don’t compare. But to act by the methods of terrorists, blowing up factories and civilian aircraft is also not the case. In addition, Turkey is currently full of our citizens, who in case of such measures automatically become potential hostages.

[Finntroll]

Well, passenger planes can not be touched, but the infrastructure of this nursery of shit democracy must be patched, these scum with us have not yet settled for events in the Caucasus!

[NEXUS]

Quote: FinnTroll

Well, passenger planes can not be touched, but the infrastructure of this nursery of shit democracy must be patched, these scum with us have not yet settled for events in the Caucasus!

But is it nothing that at the moment in Turkey there are darkness of our tourists with women and children who automatically become hostages of all this?

[GDP]

Turkey earns billions of dollars in Russia, export of food, clothing, tourism ...
You’ll come to the market with us - a third of goods from Turkey.
You just need to close this country for tourists, stop buying their goods. Then another country will think 20 times before repeating the feat of the Turks ...

Well, in extreme cases, you can conclude an agreement with Syria on the protection of airspace and then we'll see how the Yankees fly there ...

They try to test us for strength anyway.

Although the geographical location is not in our favor. The only passage from the Black Sea is blocked by Turkey, there is no common border ... No serious opposition can be created there.
Of course, you can act more subtly, from within, through the Kurds ...

[silver_roman]

Economic measures - THIS IS CORRECT, but INSUFFICIENT.
It’s like they gave you in the face, and you struck a man the wheel of his car.

In addition, this is fucking Turkey, not even the states or, say, Japan.
Yes, they have big aircrafts, but they are made of junk like the "Oliver H. Puri" - Yankee destroyer. EVERYONE often cites their fleet as an example.
It goes without saying that they should not fight with them, but I would definitely put some ship from the submarine to the bottom.
It may be impulsive, it may be abrupt, but IT IS NECESSARY for all sorts of similar mongrels to dare to joke with us from now on.

And on account of the closure of airspace, the Russian Federation is the only country (except Syria itself, of course), whose air forces have the right to be present there.
This was a specially targeted action to destroy our aircraft. I remember when the TYPE VIETNAM was struck by a French boat, the war in Vietnam began.
So you can't let this go. I believe that now it is possible to calmly shoot down the aircraft of the Turks, who would only think of reaching the border with Syria. The same "Moskva" is going to be in Latakia to cover our air force. here is an approximate radius of 150 km. But it seems like there are missiles that can hit long distances.

[ochakow703]

What is the Caucasus? They have not yet answered for Crimea.

[BARKHAN]

Our citizens must understand for a long time that a war is going on. And for this, our leadership must tell the truth to their people. If there is no war, what are the troops doing outside the state? If the war is going on, then why should we limit ourselves to the force of the blow?
How are we going to be different from terrorists? Yes, almost everyone! We defend ourselves! And if necessary, so that some citizens die, then let them die. But in order to minimize unnecessary losses among civilians, we need the competent work of our specialists.
Everyone has weaknesses. So you need to find them among the Turks. But first, get your citizens out of this territory. Whoever wants to, chooses his own destiny.
Or maybe you yourself will offer an effective and humane way to get out of the situation. Only do not offer to "understand and forgive". Forgiveness comes after repentance.

[Dilshat]

Peaceful Turks? This question is better to ask the Armenians.

[purple]

why factories and aircraft have an ingerlik base

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Well then, a fire in the ammunition depot

[edge]

Quote: silver_roman

BUT must be

and it will be ours will get the go-ahead and will beat down or practice on the reb

[Lone wolf]

This was to be expected ... Yes, NATO’s cunning assassination, ,,,,, blew up an airbus ,,,, anonymous persons ... Putin .... will answer .... find .... punish ....! MILITARY PLAN RF ,,,, not over its territory ... and the NATO meeting urgently ran away ..! They’re just waging war ... they don’t leave the GDP of choice ... but the war is good for them ,,,, they’ve done a lot .... answer doesn’t make it easier to write off the war .. NATO also has a senior partner

[Finntroll]

I agree with you completely. During the Vietnam War, our specialists gave a good rustle at an American base, and even two helicopters were embossed in the appendage. I hope the Turks will also arrange a circus with fireworks, and with such that they would have no desire on the world map (not only political but also geographical) to exist.

[Mih]

During the USSR, such a thought would certainly not have arisen.

It is precisely very subtly noticed - even a thought would not exist.

[silver_roman]

here is where it happened roughly:
there is a piece of 2 km with a tail. suppose our aircraft flew there at a speed of 800 km / h. = 222 m / s.
2 km = 2000 m. Let 2500m.
We get that the aircraft needs about 10 seconds to fly this section at this speed. I don’t think that he was there for 500 km / h.
If I made a mistake in the calculations, correct. And then the emotions.
BUT!!!! how could it be warned in 10 seconds 10 times ????

[Tatyana]

Aslan88

One pilot captured by the Turkman.

So, the plane was over the territory of Syria, i.e. in the airspace of Syria.
It turns out that the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces is lying that

"... the Russian plane was shot down" after 10 warnings on violation of Turkish airspace "

[Deniska999]

I agree, it remains to wait. In the meantime, to stop all contacts with Turkey, we can do without their tasteless pomodors and smelly resorts ...

[mitrich]

At a minimum, ordinary citizens need not take anything Turkish. Starting from tour tours and ending with tomatoes.
Well, the authorities must answer seriously.

[31R-US]

Turks ask the Yankees before farting

[Suhow]

I wonder what the answer will be, the Russian Federation to this Turkish slap in the face! ??? and the spit in part of Ukraine (undermining the power transmission line), the answer should be, otherwise many Russian supporters will find the statements about the revival of the Russian Federation a chatter. other...

[Pancho]

Quote: NEXUS

..but our bomber was shot down from the ground.

F-16 bastard shot down. I want revenge.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pancho

F-16 bastard shot down. I want revenge.

First, all tourists must be withdrawn from Turkey, and then everything else.

[Jinal]

I answer, they hoped that the Turks were allies in a coalition with the United States, with which Russia has agreements on cooperation, for security purposes.

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: _Vladislav_

Absolutely right. It is not only possible to make a no-fly zone, but also completely within the framework of the legal field, by decision of the official Damascus.
Russian VKS (Air Defense) will provide a no-fly zone

I agree.
The optimal, in my opinion, decision from the Supreme should include the complete closure of the sky over Syria, where only our VKS and allies fly (Iran is the same, for example). Landing the rest without warning - mattress covers, paddles, brazen, Turks, etc. There is no need to warn - the combat zone is nevertheless warned only once - when deploying air defense.

Expand several S-400 divisions, Iran will cover for its part with new S-300s. Patroling fighters along the border of the no-fly zone (let the mattresses on themselves feel what they were doing in Iraq a quarter century ago).
It’s also a good idea to deliver Kurds to the Kurds - they also fight with the Isis, and the Isils at one time squeezed the planes from the Syrian army.

Also, as an option, give the Iskanders a lift to Syria - so that the "partners" quickly move the balls and rollers in their heads. Or put them on the Iranian-Syrian border under an agreement with Iran.

Plus, the destruction of the rear bases of terrorists in Turkish territory (aviation and calibers). Plus, the bombing of transport convoys not only on Syrian territory, but even if the convoy went to the Turks - the inevitability of punishment in all its glory.

On a global provocation, a global asymmetric response. It will not work in any other way

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

Expand several S-400 divisions,

Where can I get them? There "Moscow" should be enough for the eyes ... But, actually, an eye for an eye ... I would have knocked both out.

[Sandov]

Our air defense why chewing snot, who needs our complacency?

[Jinal]

Absolutely in the hole. This proposal was immediately given by military advisers to Shoigu and it is already being implemented.

[ddd1975]

... and what did not happen before, seduced by promises as usual? Israel asked not to install the C300, the Turks promised not to react harshly - it’s time to stop believing in this nonsense about brothers - we don’t have them. And why was the attack aircraft unceasing? It would be a cover-up not a single stupid person on F16 and would not think to attack the target. Genralov on a knife ... tav war is on and no one is allowed to relax ...

[Allitet]

Bashibuzuki, they are in Africa Bashibuzuki! As if later did not have to cry with bloody tears. After all, terror will first come to Turkey.

[MT266]

what did the war want? bored with peace? I will manage everything diplomatically, but I need to figure out who is right and who is to blame !!!

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: MT266

what did you want war? bored with life?

And ours have already reacted: "Russian gas supplies to Turkey will continue in accordance with the contractual obligations," said Anatoly Yanovski, Deputy Energy Minister of the Russian Federation.

And in the country 404 is a national holiday now, the gorilka is flowing like a river, the fat on the teeth gets stuck.

[voffchik7691]

"Russian gas supplies to Turkey will continue in accordance with contractual obligations," said Anatoly Yanovski, Deputy Energy Minister of the Russian Federation.



Nothing personal just business!!!

[Witness 45]

The traders who are now in the power structures of Russia, they are traders in Africa, for them the main profit, and honor and national dignity are just empty words, so they will drive gas, even if our "partners" bomb Moscow.

[zennon]

Quote: MT266

what did the war want? bored with peace? I will manage everything diplomatically, but I need to figure out who is right and who is to blame !!!

It’s simply impossible to leave it that way! You need to teach the Tureks hard, otherwise they won’t respect us. How has this become possible? Does the Su-24M have no electronic warfare equipment?

[yehat]

most likely shot down with an infrared guidance missile
the head is passive and does not emit, so it will not work out,
if you do not expect an attack. And protection from it is traps that are constantly fired too.

[cumastra1]

War is not war, but there are more important things than peace. If we leave this crime unanswered, what will prevent them from continuing to shoot down our planes? or sink ships? The answer must be! Imagine that an Israeli pilot was shot down over Syria, or where else. I do not think that they would have long waited for a hail of rockets at their bases. NATO? But what is it? want to die for accomplices of terrorists - pozhalsta. Nobody has canceled the Strategic Rocket Forces. And it can be sorted out diplomatically even after a couple of bases are smashed with at least the same calibers.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cumastra1

If we leave this crime unanswered, what will prevent them from continuing to shoot down our planes?

The pilots were shot in the air ... this exacerbates the situation. Both pilots are dead ... I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the victims.
Now Erdogan will not be easy to have a break.
The bodies would be brought out so that the devils would not mock them.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: NEXUS

Pilots shot in the air ... this exacerbates the situation

Hello!
where does infa come from?

[zennon]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: NEXUS

Pilots shot in the air ... this exacerbates the situation

Hello!
where does infa come from?

http://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/11/2015/565477669a7947fd7216d7fa

[mitrich]

I believe that it is necessary to level the whole area over which our guys were shot, to raze it to the ground, not dismantling the peaceful, non-peaceful. And not one fuel truck to Turkey.

[xan]

Quote: MT266

what did the war want? bored with peace? I will manage everything diplomatically, but I need to figure out who is right and who is to blame !!!

In the panties imposed, peasant? It is necessary to understand, but one thing is certain - the plane did not try to harm Turkey, and if it violated its space, then obviously by mistake. The Turks themselves violated the space of Armenia 64 times this year. Chew on snot further, ch.m.o

[yehat]

it’s not a matter of trying to do harm, but the fact that the Turks probably knew that the plane was returning from a mission without weapons and fuel.
He could not do harm, even if he wanted to.
Therefore, the argument for defending Turkey itself is ridiculous.
The crash of the aircraft is a clear unfriendly step, and it was undertaken initiatively, and not as a reaction.
Turkey, on the other hand, has a US air base. Turkish-whether the plane shot down our su-24?
I’m convinced that from start to finish this incident was created by the USA,
and the Turks were just extras.

[BARKHAN]

We are right, and they are guilty. What is there to understand? We are at war with terrorists. They reproach them.
We do not want war, but we are already KILLING!

[yehat]

who are they? Turks? and did the Turks bring down the plane?
there are at least 2 more versions - shooting down MANPADS from an ambush on top of a mountain in Syria
and the work of American aircraft, which could definitely do this from their air base. No need to fight in the blind without understanding!
We have already been invaded quite recently to Ukraine in the same emotional way. Now they are doing the same for Turkey.
We really lack the work of foreign intelligence to respond normally to such incidents.

[opus]

Quote: _Vladislav_

But Turkey is shooting through today from three directions.

1.From February 18, 1952, Turkey is a member of NATO (NATO's first expansion)
(The military expenditures of all NATO members together account for more than 70 percent of the global total)
2. NATO MILITARY DOCTRINE, NATO Strategic Concept, NATO Treaty Principles:
community - The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is an association of 28 states of North America and Europe whose purpose is to implement the provisions of the North Atlantic Treaty, signed on April 4, 1949. One of the most important clauses of the treaty states that an attack on one of the NATO countries is considered, as an attack on all of NATO and in the event of a military conflict, all NATO countries intervene;

3.Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov 2013: "Superiority only the Turkish fleet even over the combined fleet of Ukraine and Russia is 4,7 times. And if we compare our fleet with all the NATO naval forces in Europe, the superiority will be about 20 times"

What about NK, what about submarines, what about anti-ship missiles, what about landing ships, what about drugs.
You can find:

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http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/europe/turkey.htm

4. About the fleet of some hovnyuk in the Mediterranean

[purple]

and what drenched pants already? We need to give a military response, and look at how much NATO they say so tightly, it seems to me that no one will fit in for the Turks, because the risk of getting warheads is great ... who needs these Turks

[opus]

Quote: purple

and what drenched pants already?

purple (or "fluffy", your choice)
1.Don't be rude
2. If you have not dried out yet (it seems your pants are not drying out) and torments enuresis, consult a doctor.

Quote: purple

We must give a military response

you have purple {adj.} - "porphyry", the dump has not grown yet.
And with the wrong hands (lives) yes. You can

[Mih]

“Crush has not yet grown” This is a very strange argument justifying the behavior of Russian ladies. And you there too? What for? You are a giant of the big ... Well, you, oh oh (anecdote)

[yehat]

What kind of idiots are fighting like that?
Are you sure that the Turks shot down a plane?
First understand, then act, no other way!
For example, what for the Su-24 took such a risk and walked along the border itself.
Yes, I do not believe that the pilot did not know that it was dangerous.
I do not believe that navigation error.
There are a lot of questions and now when they will be answered, you can already act.
To begin with, you need to return at least one pilot and talk to him.
In general, the return of the pilots now is the main thing.
And also, it is worth giving to the tribunal the officer who organized the search so poorly that they lost equipment and man.
It is worth lowering the skin from those responsible for the poor organization of intelligence in the area. Fix stupid mistakes and mistakes in work.
Here's what you need to do now!

[sergeant1986]

And you read carefully this item. It states that each member of the alliance has the right to provide such assistance to an ally as it sees fit. For example, send toilet paper.

[Normal ok]

Quote: _Vladislav_

Quote: just explo

the Turks wanted a war

There is no doubt. This is a provocation.
I think our Armed Forces are already on alert.
Our forces in Latakia are not enough to withstand the Turkish Air Force.

But Turkey is under fire today from three directions. Missile cruiser "MOSCOW" and other ships in the Mediterranean. Black Sea and from the Caspian Sea.

Do not smack nonsense. It hurts :) Nobody will fight. Different measures will be taken, but not military ones. Otherwise, the 3rd world. After all, Turkey is the basis of NATO in this region.

[edge]

Quote: Normal ok

the Turks wanted a war

So the 3rd World War is already underway, the exchange of blows has passed, the Yankers always strive to pull chestnuts out of the fire with the wrong hands, and throw satellites without wincing ....

[yehat]

do not make hasty global conclusions without information
they look stupid and dumb.
what the media say is not only information, but also DISINFORMATION

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Normal ok

After all, Turkey is the basis of NATO in this region.

It all depends on the will. If you fuck in Turkey out of all that is (non-nuclear), then the Americans do not poke with the Englishmen. They do not need nuclear. One hundred pounds they will not fight for Turkey.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Oleg147741

Quote: Normal ok

After all, Turkey is the basis of NATO in this region.

It all depends on the will. If you fuck in Turkey out of all that is (non-nuclear), then the Americans do not poke with the Englishmen. They do not need nuclear. One hundred pounds they will not fight for Turkey.

For example, NATO will hand over the Baltic states - no question. But Turkey - no.

[Mih]

“But Turkey is not.” Is it because of the straits? May be. Well, this is in the modern world, with the development of modern delivery vehicles, without couriers, it is somehow not particularly relevant and, therefore, there may be options.

[Sandov]

I am saddened that the cover of bombers is not applied, even during the Second World War, fighters covered the bombers. Where are our electronic warfare, rescue and evacuation services. Anticipating the rotten nature of the Turks, it was necessary to provide all the options for action. NATO is a hostile office; mutual assistance and understanding cannot be expected from them.

[PATRIOT02]

I completely agree! Where is the cover? Where are our MiGs?!?!?!

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: PATRIOT02

Where are our MiGs?!?!?!

There are no MiGs ... There is a Su-30.

[segamegament]

What did the Turks do when the Phantoms brought down the Syrians? They began to support the Syrian opposition. What to do? Support the Kurds. The quasi-state of Turkey will cease to exist within its current borders. This is a fact ...

[free]

the poplar will fly!

[nik39reg]

So far in shock ..... Only two questions revolve in my head: Why hasn’t a blow been struck at the Turkish air force base yet, from where did the cattle that shot down the bomber take off! Why did the bomber go unaccompanied by the SU-30SM?

[Conductor]

For a reason does not pull. Unfortunately, most upper circles will have to swallow it ...
"she drowned ..."

[just exp]

how Kursk will not work, everyone knows that the Su-24 was shot down.

[asiat_61]

Fell because it is heavier than air. Such should not be swallowed, the answer should be.

[asiat_61]

Poroshenko pulled a lot of equipment and soldiers to Donbas, if we don’t answer the Turks by bread, then Poroshenko will count us as weaklings, and throw his junta-svor to the DPR and LPR. So an answer is needed, and the tougher the better, the Ukrainians should be scratched in the back of the head.

[gladcu2]

Conductor.

Then, they say 10 lard cost.

Perhaps real travel D. Kerry with this aircraft is connected. They knew in advance what they would do.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Explorer

"she drowned ..."

- Time is not right! In 2001, thanks to the "reformers", the state of our Armed Forces was "below the plinth." And now you can take Erdogan by the bells.

[Russiamoy]

for which? our group is supplied through the Bosphorus through the Mediterranean Sea. think for yourself further. and if we don’t save the pilot, then our MO is worthless.

[DMoroz]

If infa is confirmed, then this is a specific search

The Russian Defense Ministry said that in the territory of Syria, allegedly as a result of shelling from the ground, a Su-24 from a Russian air group was shot down. The military department emphasized that the plane was at an altitude of 6 thousand meters. The evidence that the bomber was in Syrian airspace was recorded by objective means of control.

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http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5654374c9a79479e227cd15d

[babai591]

Most likely.

[perm23]

Most likely it was. They were waiting for a tip in an ambush. .

[Paganel]

The whole problem is how we will answer, but we will not answer ... ((((

[edge]

Quote: Paganel

The whole problem is how we will answer, but we will not answer ... ((((

oh, in war as war ....

[Mih]

If we don’t answer, it’s a shame!

[nik39reg]

LOCATION is a cold dish! (not my saying whose I do not remember). I think that those who have been assigned the planner have already sketched, have begun a detailed study. The Turks are now waiting for our answer, but it is necessary - so as not to expect, so that they are not in the place where they are waiting! I believe that it will be so!

[edge]

Quote: just explo

the Turks wanted a war

the Turks don’t have a damn point, these Americans provoke a war (it didn’t work in the ruin), and then a member of the bloc -... Nata will be forced to blow up, and p.d.s.s will rub their hands in anticipation of the profits. We will punish the TURK unequivocally, but without war (there will be grief for them in Kurdistan and not only)

[rakiuzo]

A chto peresekli granitsu to? Vam skol'ko raz skazat ', chto by doshlo? Vchera vashemu poslu skazali, segodnja vy snova ... Predprezhdenija nachalis 'ne togda, kogda samolet peresek granitsu, a znachitel'no ran'she, tipo "kuda letish' tut tebe ne mesto". Zhal ', chto takoe sluchilos'. Do zubov vooruzhennyj samolet ne obraschal vnimanie na preduprizhdenija. Ne povtorite svoju oshibku, ne lez'te tuda, kuda ne stoit.

[cold54]

You know, when they crave caliber or ISKANDER with a nuclear filling, then there will be no one to state errors !!!

[NEXUS]

Quote: holod54

You know, when they crave caliber or ISKANDER with a nuclear filling, then there will be no one to state errors !!!

And if now your wife and child had a rest in Turkey, would you wail with Caliber?

[Mih]

And if my grandmother had a plumbing fixture, then it would be grandfather.
I would "zhahnul".

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mih

And if my grandmother had a plumbing fixture, then it would be grandfather.
I would "zhahnul".

Crazed, and do not give a damn about our children and women? Dear, you are not here, but to the doctor.

[Uncle Misha]

you would climb less, "dear" ...

[xan]

Quote: just explo

ours flew along the way, or rather touched the border with Turkey, but it was a 3 km span, that is, there are no 10 warnings, we stupidly waited until it touched and shmalnuli, that is, they were preparing, making an ambush

In the time you make 10 warnings, you can fly half of Turkey. Yes, the plane crashed on Syrian territory. This is clearly an unfriendly move in a place where only strength is respected. Apparently Turkey wants to hide behind NATO, turn it around. Ours need to think it over with a cool head. "Only a slave takes revenge at once, only a coward never." One thing is clear - the modern government of Turkey is an enemy, the plane was certainly not going to harm Turkey. So relations with Turkey must be curtailed, beaten with the ruble, and certainly the oil business of Erdogan's son must be multiplied by zero.

[Resistant]

The Turks are completely crazy. The fact that 10 warnings was bullshit was clear from the start. The Turks staged a provocation.

[AKS-U]

http://lifenews.ru/news/171620 Это сноска с Life News, здесь запись объективного видео контроля.
Our "Dry" did not cross the Turkish border.

[edge]

Quote: just explo

the Turks wanted a war

... then you need to help the Kurds gain statehood, and reunite Cyprus, return to Syria the land captured by the Turks.

[gladcu2]

Disant

Under the USSR, they did not stand on ceremony. We walked along the shore, but did not fly inside. Were mistaken a couple of times. Once they made a good mistake, but the Turks swallowed.

And intelligence, once a week regularly. But only in the Black Sea.

I just know. Served.

[DPN]

Sorry but comparing the MEMBER with the FINGER, the USSR is POWER, and RUSSIA is just a SHARD!
True, this power was destroyed by ourselves Fools, not the United States.

[anip]

Quote: DPN

Sorry but comparing the MEMBER with the FINGER, the USSR is POWER, and RUSSIA is just a SHARD!
True, this power was destroyed by ourselves Fools, not the United States.

And in the event of a mess, Russia will not have enough industrial potential. And the guarantor, from whom everything was delighted for some reason, did nothing for 16 years for the advancement of industry, on the contrary, with it the further destruction of industry continued. And we didn’t ruin ourselves, but the rulers of Russia, but whose they are Russian or not, whether they are state or not, is a question.

[sergeant1986]

? What industrial potential was in 2000 and what is it now? Che nonsense?

[Sling cutter]

One thing can be said, eye for eye.
1) You need to start with tourism
2) Kurds should be helped with portable anti-aircraft systems
3) Well, of course, a couple of sabotage in turland will not hurt
4) It would be good for the Armenians at this moment to remind the Turks about the genocide.

And the worst thing is if the authorities of the Russian Federation get tired, but now we’ll see

[anip]

Quote: Stroporez

And the worst thing is if the authorities of the Russian Federation wear out

It will be so. Do not start a war.

[insafufa]

As I read that the soldiers of the Free Army have an OSA

So MANPADS hardly got

And the brave statements of the Turks are not a deliberate step, as when the Novorossas also knocked down the scream, they also shouted then thought better of themselves and quickly shut up, why should we commit another's sin.
So, while the Turks squeal bravely, it may turn out that they weren’t at all, then they will later make excuses or simply stall. Rather, they thought it was a Syrian plane, but if it’s an economic response or an accident, the Pantsyr SAM will still hit one Turkish F-16 when it inadvertently tucks into the Kurds

[edge]

Quote: Disant

something on the Turkish sand overheated

it seems the notion of moderate opposition has ceased to exist for ours ... everyone will be pecked.

[derik1970]

Yeah, and they didn’t shoot down the plane, damn them, our friends don’t spill water!

[The lead]

Perhaps the Americans decided to block the supply routes of our VKS group in Syria, and this required provocation.

[edge]

Quote: Lead

Perhaps the Americans decided to block the supply routes of our VKS group in Syria, and this required provocation.

Nope, look further, provoke a conflict between Russia and NATO.

[BARKHAN]

But this is a very good version. To provoke and block the Bosphorus. Of course, you still won’t be able to strangle ... you can collect large convoys and guard them carefully to drive them around Europe. That means using more powerful weapons ...

[amba balamut 77]

Yeah, and to train Chechen fighters, to treat, is that how? And tourists, chasing cheapness, are their problems. My mother 5 years ago gave a hint about the rest there, my father immediately said that he would not pay his money to the enemy. Why does the whole country have to pay for the stupidity and thirst of some freebies? No, you can help their compatriots, but at their expense, for these lovers of freebies, punishment with money is the best way. The one who sold for ALL INCLUDED is either a ram or a traitor. Whose value for the country is higher? You can minus, just subscribe, the corrupt connoisseurs of the Turkish coast must know in person.

[Xsanchez]

It’s interesting that travel agencies will now sag: first Egypt, now Turkey, well ... not many will survive this year.

[tracer]

Yes ? And did we defeat the Crimean Tatar Khanate through friendship?

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Airdefence_107

Until today, the Turks were not counted as enemies.

The Germans were not considered enemies until June 22, 1941.

[oleksandr_ukr]

The concept has changed

[vovan100]

I partly agree with you. Going to Turkey is the same as maintaining money in a country that helps and grows an igil that is directed against us in the first place. Now the plane has also been shot down. So citizens are vacationers! You need to announce a boycott of Turkey and be one people. Our military is working, taking risks for us ... Think about it and stop thinking flatly, how can the Maidan people come to an end, this way .....

[YARUSSIAN39]

Most tourists don’t get involved in politics, the main thing for them is to have de-exclusiveness, it’s warm and inexpensive, and I absolutely agree with you

[Lelek]

Quote: RUSSIAN39

Most tourists don’t get involved in politics, the main thing for them is to have de-exclusiveness, it’s warm and inexpensive, and I absolutely agree with you

And here are the tourists? We are talking about the fact that the Turks stuck a knife in the back, and what should we do about it. In words, they entered the anti-IG coalition, but in reality they shoot at our pilots who bomb the IS. And this is a meanness that does not say goodbye. Now, of course, diplomatic curtsies will begin, but the essence is the essence - you need to answer for the blood.

[nika407]

If ours don’t react firmly, but ours don’t react, because they wait for the Turks to say that they have nothing to do with it, and that’s all Turkoman ... Diplomats are already babbling something about an exceptional case. An endless investigation will begin, they will express some formidable preoccupation or concern ... Pilots will be tortured if the Syrians are not the first to find :( The world community will rejoice secretly. The Turks are protecting their wallet, where caravans of oil are flowing. It would be right to recognize Turkey as an unfriendly country and declare unmanned zone, but this will not happen, because trade and loot are more important.

[edge]

Quote: Lelek

The conversation is that the Turks stuck a knife in the back

and what was to be expected from the enemy, the Turks are part of NATO, and it’s hardly worth the French to believe those still ugly nasty villains

[tolyasik0577]

Yes, the Turks wanted to choke on our tourist boycott. Nemchura will be happy to fill their hotels without Russians. But the Turks in vain showed Putin nevermind. It seems to me that she will be with him ... you know where.

[goose]

Quote: vovan100

I partly agree with you. Going to Turkey is the same as maintaining money in a country that helps and grows an igil that is directed against us in the first place. Now the plane has also been shot down. So citizens are vacationers! You need to announce a boycott of Turkey and be one people. Our military is working, taking risks for us ... Think about it and stop thinking flatly, how can the Maidan people come to an end, this way .....

Office plankton doesn’t

[_Vladislav_]

One thing is clear - before the Russian Aerospace Forces, Turkey did not interfere. In addition, there was no reason to shoot down. We did not break through to Istanbul.

The states simply instructed Turkey to test us for courage, and are we cool? In short, the moment of truth.

[smershxnumx]

Previously, it was called "take on the weak" - and you can not refuse and the task is impossible ... Dilemma, damn it ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: _Vladislav_

In short, the moment of truth.

And for sure our all already know who, how and by what. Now an official answer is being worked out or already being formulated (after all, such options were accurately calculated) an answer. I hope for all this will be unexpected and effective.

[sgazeev]

Quote: _Vladislav_

One thing is clear - before the Russian Aerospace Forces, Turkey did not interfere. In addition, there was no reason to shoot down. We did not break through to Istanbul.

The states simply instructed Turkey to test us for courage, and are we cool? In short, the moment of truth.

Monkey hand led

[BARKHAN]

What bothers me more ... Turks have repeatedly warned that they will bring down ... Why did the bombers fly without cover?

[Vita vko]

As soon as the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle approached the coast of Syria, then immediately Turkish air defense shot down a Russian plane. I do not believe in such coincidences. Obviously, intelligence information about the approach of a Russian plane to this area came from the French, which allowed the Turks to raise their fighters in time.

[nika407]

I also think that the French are spying on us.

[edge]

Quote: nika407

I also think that the French are spying on us.

yak isting hokh.ly-lick with two saucers.

[Hello]

Quote: Vita VKO

As soon as the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle approached the coast of Syria, then immediately Turkish air defense shot down a Russian plane. I do not believe in such coincidences. Obviously, intelligence information about the approach of a Russian plane to this area came from the French, which allowed the Turks to raise their fighters in time.

And what do the Turks themselves do not know how to work within their borders? Give them the French?

[Vita vko]

Quote: Hello

And what do the Turks themselves do not know how to work within their borders? Give them the French?

Of course, they see the airspace over their border and maybe even 50-100 km see the air situation over the territory of Syria. But this is still not enough to have time to raise the fighters and shoot down the plane in Syria, except perhaps to organize a constant watch of the F-16 in the air, i.e. they were preparing to shoot down and actually cover "their" terrorists.

[atalef]

Quote: Vita VKO

Syria, except that the F-16 is constantly on duty in the air, i.e. they were preparing to shoot down and actually cover "their" terrorists.

Yes . You just do not track the situation
After repeated violations of Turkish airspace. Turkey’s protest notes and their prime minister’s promises to fly planes flying into their airspace. they simply stupidly studied flight routes and waited in the right place.
I'm 100% sure they shot down over my territory.
But they waited and were sure. what will fly there - the appendix is ​​several kilometers wide. it was never taken into account by anyone 9 especially in mountainous areas)

[mervino2007]

Quote: Vita VKO

they were preparing to shoot down and actually cover "their" terrorists.

Where is our electronic warfare? Has it been turned on? Or was it faulty? Or is it not effective? Need a flight scheme of our SU-24, with reference to the terrain. The delay in providing this data is not in our favor. Very similar to a well-prepared setup, which ours could not foresee. And where were the SU-30s?

[user1212]

Quote: mervino2007

Where is our electronic warfare?

Remember the agreement with the Americans on "preventing incidents in Syrian airspace".

Quote: mervino2007

And where were the SU-30s?

Question there too

[edge]

Quote: Hello

And what do the Turks themselves do not know how to work within their borders? Give them the French?

Americans around the world complained that our bases were closed by a bubble of rap and they were blind, and then the French (let’s repeat, they are NATO, and they were washing their hands) were allowed in and didn’t block the frequencies. How long did they put the info through closed channels

[Zefr]

Want to say that the attacks in France were planned by puppeteers?

[33 Watcher]

They patrol the borders like that. Why do they need the French?

[matross]

Quote: Vita VKO

As soon as the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle approached the coast of Syria, then immediately Turkish air defense shot down a Russian plane. I do not believe in such coincidences.

One could not believe it. But the French aircraft carrier "did not approach the shores of Syria", but went to the Persian Gulf and works from there. So Putin's words - make contact and work as with allies - hung in the air.

[PQ-18]

So citizens are vacationers! It is necessary to announce the boycott of Turkey and be a single people.

"our citizens" will voluntarily not give up Turkey, but the president and the government need
take measures to CLOSE the Turkish travel destination without WAITING FOR the next Ch.P. with "our citizens". Well...
"extremely complicate" the transportation of oil to Turkey through Syrian territory!

[MT266]

Bravo!!! finally, a clever idea appeared, we do not need the Turkish coast, we must boycott the Turks with their hotels and places of rest. And you need to rest in Mother Russia !! 1

[x587x]

Our hucksters will be happy.

[Ivan Tucha]

and rip off the grandmother in a trihorp just because it is a Russian resort with its own at a low, to put it mildly, level of service is not a betrayal?
or are you such a whole patriot that you never went outside the territory of the Russian Federation, don’t wear jeans, don’t go to IKEA, prefer Lada Solaris, you probably have a TV set, your computer is probably domestic (are there any?), there are no mobile phones either - (she’s enemy) and so on?

[shuhartred]

Quote: Ivan Tucha

and rip off the grandmother in a trihorp just because it is a Russian resort with its own at a low, to put it mildly, level of service is not a betrayal?

I agree! Several times he sent his wife and child to Turkey because it was cheap. Sorry, but I live in Murmansk, if anyone doesn’t know then our climate is, to put it mildly, not very. Especially children on the sea must travel. I have enough money for Turkey, there is no money for Sochi. Or should I, from (very dubious) patriotic considerations, kill my child?
Py.Sy. To this day, the Turks have not been enemies.

[oleg391976]

I also live in the Murmansk region, I run the company and I have income. For the last 10 years I have been traveling exclusively to Russian resorts, and it’s more useful to take children to Anapa than to Turkey. The climate in Anapa is favorable for children. For ten years, the level of service at our resorts has grown significantly, although I do not argue that it is not a cheap pleasure.

[KOH]

I’m sitting and reading, and I can’t remember when the Turks became friends with us, that in the USSR, now ...?

[Zabvo]

Go to Anapa ... If I can advise where it is cheaper and better (I live in Anapa myself).

[amba balamut 77]

And what about the Pomors, without the South, nor how? The famous Vikings hilyaki probably always wound around the resorts, sickly. You are from the Kola Peninsula, and I am from Kamchatsky, there is no difference between the children, regardless of whether in the south he was resting or on his grandmother's farm, 700 miles to the north of the house.

[nekot]

Substitution of concepts - until today it didn’t seem to be, but will you continue to send your child to Turkey, as follows from your post? Then don’t cry when he is taken hostage.

[shuhartred]

Quote: nekot

Substitution of concepts - until today it seems they were not

What were there?

Quote: nekot

but you will continue to send the child to Turkey, as follows from your post

Do not attribute to me what I did not say. The last time was three years ago and have not yet met. And then we'll see.

[Scandinavian]

It seems our pilot killed here video

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Scandinavian

It seems our pilot killed here video

Yes, this is our pilot, Erdogan P, A, D, A, L, L!

[Navigator PN]

And I really believe that the pilots have some other uniform. Such DSKs (demi-season jackets) have not been issued for a long time, only in the markets can be found. So let's see .....

[Eugene-Eugene]

Fights for oil and the Ottoman Empire ... Pilot sorry

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Scandinavian

It seems our pilot was killed

Rather, he was already dead.

[just exp]

Yes, what's the difference, the Turks must answer.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vladimirets

Rather, he was already dead.

Maybe in the air they shot from small arms.

[Russiamoy]

the most annoying is the reaction of our leadership and the Foreign Ministry. First, foreign politicians and the media write and react, and then, after a certain time, ours too (like with an airplane, closing the tourist flow to Egypt, etc.). not a single tough reaction, as if they were afraid to offend and ruin the relationship.

[goblin xnumx]

Of course they’re afraid of losing something — that is, money, entering countries, business- mind you- the pipe went through Ukraine- the conflict- the pipe from Turkey- provocation- Nord stream- I don’t remember whether it was provocation or not, it means it will be- the flow of dollars drowns out- nobody swears he doesn’t want to hold resources for the future, it’s unrealistic, but suddenly in the future he’s moved away from resources, he has to sell urgently and at any price, I think such a policy

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Russiamoya

not a single tough reaction, as if they were afraid to offend and ruin the relationship.

Well, there are partners with whom they make money. So how can you ?! Stsu ki and "partners" and who works for them.

[Peterhof 73]

Quote: siberko

Here is U.B.L.YU.D.K.I. Turks ..... pro-American shavolds ..... anger is not enough ... this is pure diversion ... jackals

And here is the reaction (the friendliest that I found) to the "censor". No comments.
Guys forum users from b / Ukraine, I ask you by Christ God, remove the yellow-ragged rags from the authors. I don’t have the strength to read kamenty when I see the symbol of downs.

Here are their (downs) work:

We are waiting for confessions and revelations.
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Igor Andrutsaki
What recognition? Vacationer, quit, got lost ... I hope this does not work in Turkey.
24.11.2015 12:10
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Kuzma
Turkey is a NATO country and these fairy tales about vacation they say before the battle, the answer will be short, let them choose another place for vacation.
24.11.2015 12:14
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sash12
Mabud did not stream to others. At the center of the egg.
24.11.2015 11:40
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Antip61
The stinks thought that another boat was a spare part for the first one. Well, I’ve chosen ...
24.11.2015 11:42
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evil mole
Yes, he was fired the day before yesterday ....
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Dmitry Sergeychuk
Waiting for the execution on the air!

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Petergofsky73

And here is the reaction (the friendliest that I found) to the "censor". No comments.

And why did you shove the comments from the censor here so that the site goes to the site ?!
It is not good to breed evil.

[Koresh]

Sorry for the pilot, you need to save the second. It seems to me that there will be only loud statements and in response one of the aircraft of the Turkish Armed Forces will be shot down. Here I would act like Israel, their practice shows that for one shelling of their territories they are more aggressive than those who fired. Since starting a military operation against a NATO member will lead to the fact that everything and everything will burn. That answer should be trickier and cold-headed for the long-term prospect of a cruel answer. This is a war and no one is immune from losses, but you need to increase the fee for the loss of life of fighters.

[kagorta]

Long live the Great Kurdistan!

[silver_roman]

as an option - sabotage by special services. You can arrange a terrorist attack at some chemical plant.

[NEXUS]

Quote: silver_roman

as an option - sabotage by special services. You can arrange a terrorist attack at some chemical plant.

And the civilians have to do with it? Here the Turkish warriors need to be "combed" ... another question is how to do this and in general what the Kremlin's answer will be ... The NATO Commission gathered something very quickly. And this suggests that everything is far away not by chance, but also to the fact that this is not Erdogan's personal decision.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: silver_roman

as an option - sabotage by special services. You can arrange a terrorist attack at some chemical plant.

Do not stoop to the level of ordinary terrorists. Still, ordinary people will suffer (in this) situation. Calm guys! Everything has its time. Although I want to smash the USA and England to smithereens. Then everyone else just shut up. Because Turkey and other trash are twigs, and the root of all evil is the Anglo-Saxons.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Koresh

Here I would act like Israel, their practice shows that for one shelling of their territories they are more aggressive than those who fired.

So, too, Israel, and we are not at war with our partners, even if they are at war with us!

[just exp]

judging by the boots around, far from peaceful Turkmen.

[win]

Turkmens

It is a ethnic turks (Turkoman, Turkman) living in Syria.
Turkey supports its compatriots, albeit on foreign territory.

[win]

Turkmens

It is a ethnic turks (Turkoman, Turkman) living in Syria.
Turkey supports its compatriots, albeit on foreign territory.

[Company]

It’s a mess, our coveralls in Syria are sandy, and here is green camouflage. Video old with a Syrian pilot.

[Company]

It’s a mess, our coveralls in Syria are sandy, and here is green camouflage. Video old with a Syrian pilot.

[Scandinavian]

Sand-colored pants and sleeves. And the unloading of the pilots is green.

[MT266]

Bl .... Is it really true! If so, then they will answer for it !!!!

[MT266]

who knows what they crow there?

[silver_roman]

swelling of the right side of the face is strong.
if dead, then why? after the fall or before ????? it’s hard to restrain emotions at such moments. at least now the Turkish ambassador should lick his shoes on the carpet at the Foreign Ministry! critters

[Disant]

that you never went outside the territory of the Russian Federation, don’t wear jeans, don’t go to IKEA, prefer Lada Solaris, you probably have a TV set, your computer is probably domestic (are there any?), there are no mobile phones either (is it enemy) and so on?

Ivan, do we know each other?

[Ivan Tucha]

More likely no than yes.

[meriem1]

Quote: Ivan Tucha

and rip off the grandmother in a trihorp just because it is a Russian resort with its own at a low, to put it mildly, level of service is not a betrayal?
or are you such a whole patriot that you never went outside the territory of the Russian Federation, don’t wear jeans, don’t go to IKEA, prefer Lada Solaris, you probably have a TV set, your computer is probably domestic (are there any?), there are no mobile phones either - (she’s enemy) and so on?

Computers? snow leopard please !!! Firm K - Systems is called. And for a long time. And telly Horizon Belarusian brand. Aw ... the darkness!

[Ivan Tucha]

You are our bright

[Oladushkin]

Dear Ivan!
Without at all defending the greed of some, let’s say so the owners of resorts in the south of Russia I ask how long the season of tourists in Turkey lasts? Probably something close to a full year is a comfortable temperature, almost summer? But in the Crimea or the Caucasus, the season is 3-4 of the month. There is NO other work there. Those are absolutely NOT. Therefore, just to live the prices were ALWAYS THERE HIGH. And they will always be.

[Ivan Tucha]

The financial component is clear. However, our beginning according to the hostess himself from Sevastopol, the house is there, the apartment, the son lives and he is shocked by how everything has risen in price. And so alas, everywhere. Business is business, but there are some reasonable boundaries. Most of the colleagues this year were at our resorts, generally delighted with nature, monuments, but otherwise ... alas.

[perm23]

Yes damn guys. It is clear that in the Black Sea, everything is wrong, prices are bending for everything. And Russian Railways bends prices, everyone wants to make money. Like all of us. Here is the question about the pilots. And about the rest. Yes, we have half the country of traitors, if not the whole country. A bunch of all the enemy.

[msm]

Now, finally, they understood why Stalin had camps?

[yehat]

I was very annoyed at the time that juices in Sochi sold almost everywhere 2-4 times more expensive than in Moscow or St. Petersburg.
even if you’re half a year without tourists, you can’t do this.

[nekot]

Yes, what are you ?? And what, are the prices really higher than in Moscow? Or rest in dollars cheaper? Everything and everywhere has risen in price for us, only you cry

[August]

In Bulgaria, prices are lower. Although also the Black Sea.

[alicante11]

Without at all defending the greed of some, let’s say so the owners of resorts in the south of Russia I ask how long the season of tourists in Turkey lasts

And what, in winter, you can not organize a vacation? Say, at a discount. Artek worked all year round in Soviet times. It is clear that cardboard bungalows will not allow this. Yes, and entertainment is necessary to attract people. And this is all work, and not just loot.
Well, excuse me, but it’s quite possible to organize at least a la carte meals, you don’t need to rotate the resorts all year round. Well, respect for vacationers also does not depend on the ambient temperature.

[Anton Gavrilov]

Well, cheers, the patriots, as usual, promoted you ... Alas, the brains of our population are washed as they should. Here our propagandists should be given credit.

In general, Turkey is a NATO member, a war with it is tantamount to a war with the entire bloc. By e-mail, we get from them so that it takes a long time to fight, because we are not ready for a war with NATO, either on land or in air, at sea absolutely ready and no matter how much.

So calm down your ardor gentlemen cheers patriots.

[gladcu2]

Anton Gavrilov

Russia has military superiority over NATO countries in Europe.

But a military solution to political issues is not at the forefront of a behavior strategy.

Apparently, preparations for the provocation by Turkey took place.

I want to note that a hundred aircraft were not shot down by the Turks using an interceptor aircraft.
As far as I know from YouTube, the Russian Air Force suppresses all NATO fighter jets with REB systems.

And that adds thought. If it presses, the Turks will say, I'm not me and the artillery is not mine.

[perm23]

So it is, Well, if you just wash your face and that's it. they can go further. since we get scared.

[Xergey]

By the logic of things, Antosha, you are no different from the scum that will sell everyone and everything would be better for you.

[Anton Gavrilov]

I will immediately go to the draft board as soon as the war begins!

No illusions about our powers!

Take the fleet.

Well, tell me, patriots of minus signers, how many 3 generation submarines do we have? 11 pike-B 6 on the SF 5 on the Pacific Fleet.

Of these, in the Panther SF in the ranks, the Tiger is not combat-ready, and is not even in the queue at the factory, Leopard will finish the repair in the 17 year at best, Wolf will finish the repair in the 19 year at best, For best at best next year the repair will be completed, the Cheetah can already be considered finished and will be commissioned soon.

At the Pacific Fleet, Sperm whale is not operational, and here they will either be scrapped or rented to Indians, Bratsk is not operational on Zvezdochka awaiting repair, most likely it will not be finished this decade either, Magadan is not operational, Kuzbass is not operational both of the latter at VTG on a star, and hell knows when the atm comes to an end, Samara is on an asterisk in the north, or rather not even an asterisk because there is no place there, in this decade 100% will not finish the repair.

On the Northern Fleet in combat-ready condition, 2 Antei is regularly supported + 1 for repair. On the TOF 3, + 2 for repair and deep modernization.

+ 1 885 in trial operation.

+ on the 2 SF combat-ready titanic, and 1 still under repair as a minimum before the end of the next year and 2 old 671RTMK. That’s what we have only 12 nuclear submarines on the go 9 taking into account the cheetah that has not yet been adopted).

Total more half of nuclear boats are not operational, and require repair. Despite the fact that Amn 39 Elk have a painful part in combat condition, half of this is either on the database or on return / arrival to the areas of the database, and from 1, and most often up to several of their submarines DB at our borders constantly. + they have 12 Virginia, of which almost all are in combat condition. + 3 Si Wolfe, + shavers 3 Esttute and 4 Trfalgar, + French 6 PLA type Ryubi.

Shaw is a good balance of forces in "our" favor? Shaw are we well ready for war at sea? With the surface fleet is still worse, as we have with him and such, and with the ratio with the enemies.

I repeat once again, as a person who understands this, we are NOT READY FOR WAR ON THE SEA, NOT READY FOR IT PERFECT! Therefore, seriously, cool your ardor, the longer we delay the war, the better for us.

[Pulya]

Anton Gavrilov and in what place are we not ready ???

The first couple of days and ... Europe will fall along with Turkey, even without nuclear weapons. This is the opinion of our fights. pilots of the southern districts.
In August I was on vacation in the Kuban ... we have two regiments of dryers based there ... I had fun, a dinner party, a private conversation with old friends. .

[Peterhof 73]

Quote: Pulya

Anton Gavrilov and in what place are we not ready ???

The first couple of days and ... Europe will fall along with Turkey, even without nuclear weapons. This is the opinion of our fights. pilots of the southern districts.
In August I was on vacation in the Kuban ... we have two regiments of dryers based there ... I had fun, a dinner party, a private conversation with old friends. .

Anton Gavrilov IS NOT READY! What a pity. It will be without him.

[Mr. Corporal]

Here, I see, everyone is READY !?
He had dinner with the pilots. Did you dig a full-length trench long ago?

They decided to throw their hats ???
Are we ready for nuclear strikes at our nuclear power plants?
READY to lose half of the civilian population in the first days of the war !!! ???

In the meantime, YOU ARE READY FOR OURSELF, above the answers - dig in for 5 minutes in the cold, warriors !!!

When they lose a piece in chess, they don’t beat the opponent with a board!
Wait for the return move ...

[yehat]

Do you even understand what the number of NATO aircraft is?
Do you understand how many air defense aircraft they have, as well as the ground air defense forces?
We have good planes and good pilots, but THEY ARE LITTLE!
we only have a lot of tanks.

[tracer]

And you h Kuban?

[nekot]

You gentlemen, liberals, of course, are not ready to do anything with anyone, just lament how hard they live and what everyone else is around))) They would have knocked down somewhere where everything is fine in your opinion and would cease to bully each other with lamentations)))

[alicante11]

In general, Turkey is a NATO member, a war with it is tantamount to a war with the entire bloc. By e-mail, we get from them so that it takes a long time to fight, because we are not ready for a war with NATO, either on land or in air, at sea absolutely ready and no matter how much.

Well, why fight? Introduce a local no-fly zone above the border and land a couple of Turkish birds. Loudly accusing the border violation. What a war, I beg you.

[purple]

It seems to me exactly the opposite, that NATO is not ready to fight with us.
And it’s already better now than in a year when they are pulling all their forces to our borders

[yehat]

why fight?
with whom to fight?
What are the goals of the war?
when to finish?
you can not clearly answer a single question !!! however, demand to start.

[Noncombatant]

Anton Gavrilov! You are right, reinforced concrete. NOT READY. It's not about the newest Yakhonts and Boreyas, Iskander and Yarsakh. All this may be super-new, but without people, all this is a pile of iron. But with PEOPLE just a complete ATAS. Shaking his fist, splashing foam, turning purple with anger, inflating his throat in a cry "For Putin (Erefia)" - nothing will be achieved.
Greatly America for 25 years has processed the country, which is still proudly called "1/6 of the land."

[quote]

Quote: noncombant

Anton Gavrilov! You are right, reinforced concrete. NOT READY. It's not about the newest Yakhonts and Boreyas, Iskander and Yarsakh. All this may be super-new, but without people, all this is a pile of iron. But with PEOPLE just a complete ATAS. Shaking his fist, splashing foam, turning purple with anger, inflating his throat in a cry "For Putin (Erefia)" - nothing will be achieved.
Greatly America for 25 years has processed the country, which is still proudly called "1/6 of the land."

Have you already built a bunker?

[Weyland]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Turkey is a member of NATO, a war with it is equivalent to a war with the entire bloc

Not a fact yet. Article 5 of the NATO Charter states:
“An armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be considered as an attack on them as a whole, and therefore agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of them, in exercise of law for individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will help To the Contracting Party undergoing, or to the Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack, by the immediate implementation of such an individual or joint action as it considers necessary, including the use of armed force to restore and subsequently maintain the security of the North Atlantic region.

So if he considers it necessary to use armed force, he will apply, and if not, he will apply some other "individual or joint action" - for example, a note of protest. Most likely, the sanctions will be extended. What a horror ...

[Xergey]

You better not comment in this option, this is out of place.

[lis-ik]

Don't exaggerate like that. Although I agree to Russian resorts, I was in the Crimea this year, the impression is that I was completely upset on prices for the last season, and I don’t go abroad on beach vacations in principle.

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: kit-kat

Is it a betrayal to drive to enemies and carry money to them?

Do children also need to be evaluated on this basis?

[voffchik7691]

Isn’t it scary to send YOUR NATIVE children?

[Wolverine]

Well, why so radical, in Sochi would make prices and services as in Turkey and would not carry money abroad.

[atakan]

kit-kat
in the evening you will become a sergeant)

[kit-kat]

Are you here because of the stars? Or defend your position? When you are surrounded by short-sighted and soft-bodied amoeba this is to be expected. Of course, if I fought for the stars, I would not have expressed the truth, but only what everyone wants to hear.

[dr. sem]

Betrayal is a deliberate action, and a tourist stunned by the anticipation of a sweet well-deserved rest is a "foolish child." So we will throw "children" at the mercy of the enemies ???

[kit-kat]

And a tourist, as soon as he wears shorts, turns into an understated boy? He does not know the political situation, or the basic Slavic attitude and does not know what is the position of Turkey towards the Russians? It is simple - loot. And for this money they treat militants (starting with the Chechen wars), establish the drug business and the slave trade (by Russian girls) and so on and so forth. Naive are all.

[aws4]

don’t explain to them, they won’t understand ... they’re all patriots here, and when it comes to rest they don’t care where to relax ... it doesn’t matter that the enemy has a historical enemy, the enemy who has not forgotten that he is an enemy and is building up his power for their money .... the main thing is ... to warm your own on Turkish sand and not on pebbles in Loo or Gelendzhik and the booze is again free .... so they got enraged and opened their faces after your comment ... they are not patriots, and they are not even people, but ordinary consumers of life without a nation, traditions, culture, and national dignity ... they forgot that they are Russian ... they scream Russia Russia and which of them sings Russian national songs ????? who dances in a squat or a lady madam ????? POSORISHNY .... now if those who are now in Turkey are cut a few hundred then something will stir in my head .... so that no one should be taken out of there .....

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: dr. sem

Betrayal is a deliberate action, and a tourist stunned by the anticipation of a sweet well-deserved rest is a "foolish child." So we will throw "children" at the mercy of the enemies ???

In vain you repeated my question. Although I asked that, should we consider the children of tourists to be traitors to the motherland? Here, many do not know how to read what is read., Only reflexes press + press -.

[Placebo]

Well, they didn’t know that they would build rockets with their money that would shoot down our planes ...

[Peterhof 73]

Quote: Placebo

Well, they didn’t know that they would build rockets with their money that would shoot down our planes ...

Tourists are like small children. That's for sure. Careless such. I recall Mikhalkov's poem about Thomas. After all, it’s clear that you need to forget at least temporarily about your vacation in BV. But no. -Hooray! Hooray! Sea Sun! Vacation! Turks with big..h..mi !!! Hooray! (here is the position of many Russians, especially the woman). And the fact that war is not ours.

[dr. sem]

You (kit-kat and placebo) are ... Are you stoned or has your brain dried up? Are you suggesting that all our citizens abroad be thrown like kittens in a bucket? I SAID ABOUT OUR CITIZENS. SUCH AS YOU, INCLUDING. Not a single citizen of the Russian Federation, nor where to throw at the mercy of freaks can not. It is necessary to save ALL OF OUR (and tourists the same) ...

[31R-US]

Someone drove to Ukraine, they are also traitors.

[aws4]

oh how many minuses they threw at you ... but I agree with you on something .... I remember the second Chechen was walking with me comrades in Turkey gathered here I then poured mud on them, said that they buy weapons for your bearded men and what every ruble spent on vacation in Turkey is an increase in the enemy’s defenses .... they laughed at the joke .... well, today one of them called me and admitted that he thought then that I was joking or pretending to be a fool ... our people are so limited , you need to know the history and know which territories Turkey claims to ..... YES I AGREE TO THE TRAITORS OR FUELS OR CONSUMERS so let them stay there ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: lelikas

Head in the morning is not it?

Most likely a pensioner is a communist, for whom everyone who has traveled abroad is already a traitor.

[Gorinich]

Just a troll ...

[Conductor]

Most likely just a troll ridiculing local cheers-patriotism
Like "everything is in the Crimea and in Sochi, do not care what is 3 times more expensive and there is no infrastructure, but its own", this is now fashionable to shout
Romanov, burning dislike for the Communists?))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Explorer

Romanov, burning dislike for the Communists?))

To hiccups.

[just exp]

last name obliges.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: just explo

last name obliges.

Memory

[godun]

Were they worse than These?

[kit-kat]

And where would you be if not for the Communists? From the nobles?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kit-kat

And where would you be if not for the Communists?

I would live in the Russian Empire.

Quote: kit-kat

From the nobles?

No from Russians!

[kit-kat]

Russian is a nationality, it’s good that you are Russian. The nobleman is the estate. Therefore, the answer is not entirely correct.
Have the Communists kicked you out of a crumbling empire? So the enemy was.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kit-kat

The nobleman is the estate.

What is a communist?

Quote: kit-kat

Have the Communists kicked you out of a crumbling empire? So the enemy was.

Of course the enemy, everyone who has a different look for you enemies. Everyone who has gone to rest abroad is a traitor for you and you don’t need to evacuate them. And the fact that there are thousands of small children, it doesn’t matter for a real communist.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: kit-kat
.A Communist is that?

communist is a vocation

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Of course the enemy, everyone who has a different look for you enemies. Everyone who has gone to rest abroad is a traitor for you and you don’t need to evacuate them. And the fact that there are thousands of small children, it doesn’t matter for a real communist.

when did the communists count people?

[alicante11]

when did the communists count people?

Communists are always. Do not confuse Trotsky with the anti-Semitism.

[kit-kat]

Well ugly, agree? Why juggle? Not good. I just said that it is not good to go on vacation to countries that are hostile towards Russia and carry money to them. Well? not ashamed of juggling?

[voffchik7691]

"All those who went abroad to rest for you are traitors and they do not need to be evacuated."

This, of course, is stupid!

But how can one go on vacation to the Middle East when such an operation is carried out in Syria by our Air Force! At a minimum, one must not be far-sighted so as not to be aware of the consequences. There are enough dissatisfied with the fact that the Ishilovites are destroyed in batches, and you should not substitute yourself!

"And the fact that there are thousands of small children, it doesn't matter for a real communist."

As for the Communists, Alexander, where does such dense hatred come from? Can you list what the communists did for the children? And how many Communists (real and not like Yeltsin) died saving children? And by the way, if the communists treated children so badly, it seems to me that you would not live up to your age, you would be executed in a kindergarten!

[Zefr]

How do you zodolbala, nobles. You wouldn’t live anywhere! There wouldn’t be you! Clear? Because since the seventeenth year, history has developed so that it was only because Alexander Romanov could appear that it was the seventeenth year.
I am glad for you that you would like to save the Russian Empire. Just remember that the Russian Empire would not know anything about you, and could be touched by you, because you, personally, would never have lived at all. And your parents too. And the grandfather would not leave the candle factory to you! And to your grandchildren! In which you would not have been planned!

[Peterhof 73]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Explorer

Romanov, burning dislike for the Communists?))

To hiccups.

Alexander Romanov, I wanted to put you +. I pressed +, but 2 minuses popped up? As an old-timer of the site explain why this could be and call. Did not want.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Petergofsky73

and 2 minuses popped up? As an old-timer of the site explain why this could be and call. Did not want.

Simultaneously with you, the trio of communists clicked on minus

[Peterhof 73]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Petergofsky73

and 2 minuses popped up? As an old-timer of the site explain why this could be and call. Did not want.

Simultaneously with you, the trio of communists clicked on minus

Judging by the minuses I already have, there are a lot of communists. And why are they still working as "triplets"? Even on VO? It's wonderful.

[voffchik7691]

I’m not Alexander, but in my opinion it’s because while you read the minuses you instructed him!

[nekot]

Pliz facts, with prices. about 3 times more expensive and lack of infrastructure

[derik1970]

Yes, in fact, the way it is, albeit in part. Today he listens to jazz and tomorrow he will sell his homeland. Which incidentally happened at one time in the USSR. As I noted, all those who often travels abroad have an excellently-nasty opinion about their country, often nothing patriotic. Although abroad, such travelers are needed only as long as they have money in stock, but they don’t have money, they can even beat it and pour it with acid and so on. So that guy's fine with his head !!! Worry about yourself, the reality is slightly different!

[gladcu2]

Alexander Romanov

Senior citizen Communist, write with a capital letter. Respect the history of your country.

The Communists were always the first to go in the direction of danger. That is their morality.

I understand that you have been thoroughly washed. All you can think of.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gladcu2

Senior citizen Communist, write with a capital letter. Respect the history of your country.

In Canada, pulled out of respect for their country?

Quote: gladcu2

I understand that you have been thoroughly washed.

Of course, the communists washed it, but over time, everything fell into place, fortunately.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: gladcu2Pensioner Communist, write with a capital letter. Respect the history of your country. In CANADA pulled out of respect for your country?

good to be a communist .... in Canada

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

good to be a communist .... in Canada

Preliminarily yanking stolen there in Russia.

[ydjin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: atalef

good to be a communist .... in Canada

Preliminarily yanking stolen there in Russia.

Alexander, what do you know about real communists? Or did they write down a hunchbacked traitor to the Motherland? Are you sure a liberoid and a liberalist apparently?

[Weyland]

Quote: ydjin

Are you sure a liberoid and a liberalist apparently?

Iron logic
So I hate the Communists, not because I am a liberal, but because I am a monarchist and an imperial! And I hate liberalists even more - if not for Guchkov, Milyukov, Rodzianko and Kerensky, Lenin would not have a single chance!

[goblin xnumx]

blamelessly - how to fart in a puddle

[ydjin]

Is it good to be Yahweh elected in a chosen country?

Quote: atalef

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: gladcu2Pensioner Communist, write with a capital letter. Respect the history of your country. In CANADA pulled out of respect for your country?

good to be a communist .... in Canada

Also exceptional to me! God sees, well, we didn’t want to multiply you exceptional by zero. You ask yourself, but you could be friends.

[Corsair]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Of course, the communists washed it, but over time, everything fell into place, fortunately.

And what have the Communists basically done to you? Those real ones who won the Second World War, made the agrarian country in a dilapidated state a powerful industrial and military developed power, flew into space, built dozens of nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power stations, what did you do wrong?
Are you a victim of a fashionable tendency to spit in your story?
And about the modern ones, led by Zyuganov (clowns for wringing the votes of the most zealous), no one remembers.

[Throw]

Those are real

Exactly. There is no need to confuse soldiers, workers and designers - communists with different party trash, thieves and scumbags, who do not care what to hide behind, even with communism, even with liberalism ...

[esaull]

Those real exiled my grandmother's family to Siberia from the Rostov region, about half of the children did not survive the exile, only because my great-grandfather was a Cossack, an officer and had the honor to defend his homeland in the First World War, and he did not participate in the civil war, he was in imprisoned in Germany, and returned to Russia after the civil war and was immediately exiled with his family, and there were more than half of all Cossacks like him, so why should I love those real communists? for the red terror against my ancestors?

[Weyland]

Quote: Corsair

And what have the Communists basically done to you? Those real ones who won the Second World War, made the agrarian country in a dilapidated state a powerful industrial and military developed power, flew into space, built dozens of nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power stations, what did you do wrong?

Those real ones destroyed the country (and the vile Leninist law "on the right of nations to self-determination" took off after 70 years!), Massacred tens of millions of people, killed 90% of the clergy (this is only during the Civil War!) - and then came hidden imperial Stalin in 1937 multiplied these real communists by zero! So Stalin made an agrarian country in a dilapidated state of the most powerful industrially and militarily developed power - after his death "by inertia" they held out for 10 years, even went into space, but then the commies, which he had not cut, led by a bald maize grower, took their

[gladcu2]

Alexander Romanov

I did not jerk to Canada, but received citizenship as a professional.

And you were not offered to turn to a psychiatrist, there among celebrities you will have the opportunity to communicate on an equal footing.

[voffchik7691]

And apparently the doctors from the "echo of Washington, that is, the echo of Moscow" put it in place?

[vicdoc63]

And who are you taking the money relaxing there?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vicdoc63

And who are you taking the money relaxing there?

And that people, having earned money, do not have the right to go on a vacation where they want?

[alicante11]

And that people, having earned money, do not have the right to go on a vacation where they want?

Yes, for God's sake, only when they begin to move to the camps directly from the "olinclusive", like the Germans at the beginning of WWI, then there is no need to cry and urge to release compatriots as soon as possible.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: lelikas

Head in the morning is not it?

So maybe you are from the liberals? Or is the guy wrong? And maybe you yourself like to relax in Turkey? Lelikas! Something gay.

[Mih]

No, no. Comrade General.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kit-kat

What for to evacuate them. They are traitors.

Rarely minus with such pleasure.

[sannych]

The man apparently tried to explain that due to such behavior of Turkey, our tourists do not need to go there. But he explained, as it seems to me, not entirely successfully. Comment below, but in a milder form, gathered a cloud of pluses.

[lis-ik]

I already wrote on another branch that in a series of priority measures it is necessary to evacuate tourists, if any answer is expected, of course I do not consider them traitors, but in light of the events already almost 2 months ago, you still need to turn on and think about where to go on vacation!

[kit-kat]

Glad I brought you many pleasant moments)).

[WKS]

In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war. The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities. And judging by the fact that he fell on Syrian territory, he did not fly there at all. The Turks entered into a military conflict in Syria on the side of the terrorists. Our government must respond accordingly to this provocation.

[U-96]

Quote: wks

In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war.

nonsense. For an excuse for war, this episode does not pull a gram.

Quote: wks

The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities.

listen to yourself. Kindergarten ... I do not understand so many advantages ... Schoolchildren on the site ???

[ydjin]

Quote: U-96

Quote: wks

In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war.

nonsense. For an excuse for war, this episode does not pull a gram.

Quote: wks

The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities.

listen to yourself. Kindergarten ... I do not understand so many advantages ... Schoolchildren on the site ???

It is now clear that the Turks shot down the air with a rocket! They played the Turks in a super-regional power.

[Erg]

Judging because our plane crashed, it was unlikely that it had moved far from the place of defeat. And he fell on Syrian territory. Everything inside me is boiling. It was lucky for the Turks that I am not the president - let them live, scum.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Erg

It was lucky for the Turks that I am not the president - let them live, scum.

Would you rather be the last president?

[ydjin]

Quote: Erg

Judging because our plane crashed, it was unlikely that it had moved far from the place of defeat. And he fell on Syrian territory. Everything inside me is boiling. It was lucky for the Turks that I am not the president - let them live, scum.

Now the GDP directly accused the Turks of bringing down our Su-24 over the territory of Syria by a Turkish fighter with an air-to-air rocket! Turks went to confrontation? Do not forget!

[DEfindER]

Quote: wks

The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities. And judging by the fact that he fell on Syrian territory, he did not fly there at all.

In general, taking into account that even on all missiles, cameras have been installed for a long time that transmit online the image to the command and control center, then I think there is such a thing on all planes, and it’s not even necessary to look for black boxes, you can just see who shot down a movie and over which territory. And why the SU-24 didn’t have the latest electronic warfare system to counter the rather backward Turkish Air Force .. I don’t think that the Americans sell them the latest air-to-air missiles.

[smershxnumx]

The bomber was without a fighter’s cover, apparently on a free hunt ... That’s what they caught ... Our flyers obviously didn’t wait for attacks, because were in the airspace of Syria.

[U-96]

Quote: smerx24

Our flyers obviously did not wait for attacks

funny. Are they at an air show in Zhukovsky? Or in the officer’s canteen?

[figter]

When it was reported that due to increased military tension there was a need to increase the number of sorties and therefore began to strike with single planes, then I still had the thought of turning organized tactical actions of aviation into a militarized collective farm. It is not surprising that such a mess and neglect of tactics in favor of increasing the combat load sooner or later lead to such losses. It is supposed to carry out fighter cover of a bomber - cover! What the hell is Su-24 going without cover? You need to think about your head, and not fall into euphoria.

[smershxnumx]

figter RU  Today, 14:56 ↑ New


When it was reported that due to increased military tension there was a need to increase the number of sorties and therefore began to strike with single planes, then I still had the thought of turning organized tactical actions of aviation into a militarized collective farm. It is not surprising that such a mess and neglect of tactics in favor of increasing the combat load sooner or later lead to such losses. It is supposed to carry out fighter cover of a bomber - cover! What the hell is Su-24 going without cover? You need to think about your head, and not fall into euphoria.

So I'm talking about too ... Dizziness, or something, from success, from fathers-commanders or what? Why? Who allowed?
I think there will be a serious debriefing on this incident !!!!

[Throw]

HOW does fighter cover save from air defense attacks or air-to-air missiles, strategists?

[figter]

Dear, non-strategist! Since the advent of combat aviation, it has followed certain rules, which significantly reduces its own losses. If a bomber goes under the cover of a fighter, for example, a Su-30, then not a single bastard on an F-16 will approach it within the missile launch range. Likewise, with the air defense system, which, when turned on high and taken for escort, will immediately fall into the "return" PRR (anti-radar missile), which the Su-24, equipped exclusively for bombing, as in this case, simply does not. The bomber is not a fighter and he was a tidbit for PAIRS F-16, who were clearly hunting and looking for such a goal. Please note that even the Turks flew in PAIR, mutually covering each other. To send a single bomber without cover in a combat situation, hoping for Russian chance - this is the height of stupidity!

[Throw]

Much respected strategist!) Describes the situation fighting, open war, when everyone falls ahead of the target, upon detection.
Immediately we are dealing with a provocation "in the back" and cover not cover, the missile will be planted. Moreover, they worked from their own territory, how can they not be allowed there?
And if the provocation was also planned, then, moreover, if there was a cover, it would be two pairs fighters, and there is only time to cover for cover ..

[figter]

Lance (6) SU Today, 20: 13 ↑ New
A much-respected strategist!) The described refers to the status of military operations, open war, when everyone fails to preempt, upon detection.

What happened today is the situation of hostilities. The "Combat - Peacetime" toggle switch does not exist - there is the concept of "Constant combat readiness". And if we had the imprudence to get into Syria, please, observe the elementary tactical rules. Even if the F-16 and "provocatively" launched a missile at the Su-24, if the Su-30 were nearby, it would not have left with impunity, and we would have every reason for an immediate response and we would be here discussing the burnt corpse of a Turkish pilot. In the meantime, they showed us their place and lowered them from heaven to earth.

[voffchik7691]

And who launched the air-to-air missile? I would have covered from him.

[goblin xnumx]

so if judging by the comments, there was such a thing, the French say they want to cling to our victory, they already celebrated the victory, I read it this morning, I thought it would be a mess to my love there and it won’t lead to good, I'm afraid it’s hard to hide the ends of the current here - the plane didn’t drown, but it crashed and in front of everyone - let's see - it doesn’t depend on us here — where we will go there and let's go

[Russiamoy]

voooot. it will be generally seams if everything was turned on on the plane, judging by the fact that he flew confidently without cover. and it was also said that the plane was in free flight, although all the time they muttered that they only fly out according to their goals in fact to the mission. I understand that sometimes it is necessary to say not what is, but ...

[The lead]

Quote: wks

And judging by the fact that he fell on Syrian territory, he did not fly there at all.

Even earlier, the Turks made a demarche in front of our consulate, allegedly a Turkish settlement was fired upon with our plane. Perhaps the Turks decided to take revenge and shot down the plane without bothering to find out whether or not they were in Turkish territory.

Quote: wks

Turks entered into military conflict in Syria on the side of terrorists

I support is an objective situation and an occasion that cannot be ignored.

Quote: wks

Our government must respond accordingly to this provocation.

The destruction of a combat aircraft and the death of a pilot is an act of war. In response, the Russian Federation can use a similar answer, any decisive action in this situation will be justified. Turkey must be punished for its crime.

[NEXUS]

Quote: wks

In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war

Rather, to retaliatory steps, such as shooting down a Turkish plane or several. Work on ISIS bases in Turkey. Again, if the co-pilot is alive, then he needs to be pulled out. In general, there are more questions than answers.

[Retvizan 8]

Alas, in fact, the war with the West is already underway.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Alas, in fact, the war with the West is already underway.

One thing is clear that this is pure diversion, prepared and agreed not yesterday.

[Peterhof 73]

Quote: wks

In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war. The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities. And judging by the fact that he fell on Syrian territory, he did not fly there at all. The Turks entered into a military conflict in Syria on the side of the terrorists. Our government must respond accordingly to this provocation.

But as? What would you do if you were Putin? To me personally. nothing comes to a stupid mind. Embed in Turkey or what?

[0255]

Quote: kit-kat

What for to evacuate them. They are traitors.

Maybe you are just jealous of those who earn more than you and travel to Turkey on vacation?

[kit-kat]

I like the Dominican Republic more. And people are better and rest is better. Again, not Muslims. That's important for me.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kit-kat

I like the Dominican Republic more.

Go for a vacation in the DPRK

[kit-kat]

They will open the country, and I will go. Why not?

[Russiamoy]

why so rude. a person can have his own point of view (and it is not unfounded), especially since he has not told anyone where to go. . The UAE can also be included in the list of disadvantaged countries. I agree that we need to react to everyone (the state, people), and this is done not by prohibitions, but by bringing the information that the state needs to the public. and people must decide where to rest

[3officer]

Prices do not compare with the Dominican Republic, these are slightly different things, and the service personnel are no more concerned with the political situation than with the same tourists, and the tourists generally have too much attention. The Turkish season until May is generally irrelevant.

[derik1970]

In such political weather, you have to sit at home !!! In fact, the West is at war with Russia. So the plane was shot down and definitely specially! And the people are drawn, do not care for this people their own country, so you can use your definition of traitors. More than sure, if tourists close their visit to Turkey, the howl among them will rise unrealistic. So then instantly potential traitors will succeed! I have acquaintances who have not even been to Moscow for their long lives and live nothing, and lives are happy. And here, if only everything was included ... Yes, and all these tourists are needed as long as they have money, and if something serious happens like a war, the Turks will drive everyone to camps, it will be like in 1941.

[Rattenfanger]

Drunk midwife dropped during childbirth?

[kit-kat]

I see lovers of relaxation in Turkey on this resource more than enough.

[Zomanus]

They are not traitors.
They are potential hostages.
And when / if they are captured
then it will create the smut of Russia.
And why are they still there, and not in Russia ...
I won’t call traitors
just * Lavrov's phrase *

[kit-kat]

Satanovsky and Bogdasarov, since they have not had their own heads, have been saying for 5 years (if not more) that it is dangerous to travel to rest in the countries of the Middle East, i.e. to Muslims. Was it really necessary to wait for the explosion of the plane in order to at least scratch about it?

[Home777art]

Do not speed!
These are our people, and if necessary we will take them out on the armor! And then, if they are traitors, of course, we’ll send the forest! Something like this!

[Archon]

Traitors are unlikely, but there is no need to take them out - they themselves will leave with tour operators (this is their direct responsibility). And no one will touch them, because it will threaten a very serious answer.

[nemo778]

These! Creatures are not afraid of death !!!!!!!! All! WRAPPING IN WITH WINE SKINS! Talk about it! They are not afraid to die! Warn! Death! YOU !!! BE AFRAID !!! NEW SKINS TO YOU !!!

[Mih]

"White knots are riding in black males." Yes, no need for any evacuation - everyone will get what they deserve. Still bl..th evacuate? Ohrinet !!!

[Samaritan]

Close flights to Turkey, as well as tourists to Egypt! In view of the terrorist threat posed by the Turkish government ...

[Rrrj]

Quote: Samaritan

Accrete flights to Turkey, as well as tourists to Egypt! In view of the terrorist threat posed by the Turkish government ...

- they are already threatening us with a gun, but you about your kopeks - n @ hell - urgently need to be written in the teeth - for now there is something.

[Corsair]

Quote: rrrj

an urgent need to write in the teeth - while there is something.

It’s necessary to check out on the teeth, but first we must get our tourists out of there so that they don’t become hostages - this is apparently all calculated by the Amers - as long as our hundreds of thousands of men, women and children are there, they will not be able to seriously press or respond.

[U-96]

Quote: Corsair

but first get our tourists out of there

well yes. "Tagi-e-il !!" will not leave the buffet anywhere. He put it on everything. Vacation is sacred.
And what do you propose to "pull out"? The boards of the Emergencies Ministry?

[Corsair]

Quote: U-96

"Tagi-e-il !!" will not leave the buffet anywhere. He put it on everything. Vacation is sacred.

Well, yes, of course - "Tagil", the handle of a shovel instead of a rifle is our everything, people demand bread and circuses, first they gave a little bread (sausages in 300 varieties) then Comedy-clubbedi, a serial conveyor, cops drunks, bandits heroes and other henna - is this our everything? We will now think only in images that are diligently stripped into our heads from TV and poured from other media. They say everything is around, but for the sake of money they will go anywhere and do anything?
Nonsense is all. WHEN PRESSES everything will be done as it should. Even those ducks who only sip a beer and listen to music at night, very quickly get when it comes to their health and life.

[U-96]

Quote: rrrj

while there is for what.

articulate why.

[Rrrj]

Quote: U-96

articulate why.

Over h..n over your shouldersO - maybe I should write you a cool pendell too - I’ll tell you joking?

[U-96]

Quote: rrrj

Over h..n over your shouldersO - maybe I should write you a cool pendell too - I’ll tell you joking?

OK, thanks. I see the formulator is 80 LVL. "I have no more questions" (c)

[kit-kat]

Well, what are you playing unconscious? For the plane. And he is right. Until you have time to gloss over the incident, you need to react firmly. Otherwise, they will not stop on the same plane.

[U-96]

Quote: kit-kat

Well, what are you playing unconscious?

What the fuck, unconscious, dear? I asked only: with what wording

Quote: rrrj

urgently write in the teeth

Quote: kit-kat

For the plane

what - "For the plane"? It's more like a toast from the "Features of the National Hunt" sounds like.

Quote: kit-kat

And he is right

and I didn’t say that he was wrong. A reaction must follow and, I hope, follow. I just don’t understand why this couch army began to throw pillows and litter popcorn. One has already taken the straits, the other is arming the Kurds, the third S-400 in Tartus is unloading. Like, not a shkolota.

[Rrrj]

Quote: U-96

I just don’t understand why this couch army began to throw pillows and litter popcorn. One has already taken the straits, the other is arming the Kurds, the third S-400 in Tartus is unloading. Like, not a shkolota.

I don’t like it either - it is because of this that I used the figurative expression "to cut in the teeth" - and how - it is not for me to decide.

[U-96]

Quote: rrrj

precisely because of this, I used the figurative expression "cut in the teeth" - and how - it's not for me to decide.

OK understood)

[kit-kat]

Accepted;).

[msm]

What is a plane and two tortured pilots ... When is the "Turkish stream" of our masters at stake?

[U-96]

Quote: msm

What is a plane and two tortured pilots ... When is the "Turkish stream" of our masters at stake?

why did you blurt out, comrade?

[Wiruz]

Oh, these Straits ...

Do not be Turkish ...

[Good me]

Quote: Wiruz

Oh, these Straits ...

Do not be Turkish ...

You, apparently, were mistaken, and wanted to write:

Oh, these Straits ...

No WILL they are turkish ...

[PQ-18]

Oh, these Straits ...

Do not be Turkish ...

If SO will "goat", then ...
can lose straits!
for the Turks many sins are listed, including and the seizure of northern Cyprus and the northern territories of Syria.

[U-96]

Quote: PQ-18

If SO will "goat", then ...
can lose straits!

and who will rob them?

[shuhartred]

Quote: Wiruz

Oh, these Straits ...

Do not be Turkish ...

Admiral Kolchak planned a brilliant operation to capture the straits in 1916. We all know what got in the way. On the other hand, our straits, so what? Who prevents blocking the Aegean and Sea of ​​Marmara? In order to have a way out in the Mediterranean (damn it five times I was mistaken while I printed ) you need to control (or have in friends) both Greece and Turkey.

[3officer]

Quote: shuhartred

Quote: Wiruz

Oh, these Straits ...

Do not be Turkish ...

Admiral Kolchak planned a brilliant operation to capture the straits in 1916. We all know what got in the way. On the other hand, our straits, so what? Who prevents blocking the Aegean and Sea of ​​Marmara? In order to have a way out in the Mediterranean (damn it five times I was mistaken while I printed ) you need to control (or have in friends) both Greece and Turkey.

Is this a joke? It was unrealistic under Kolchak - now it’s simply impossible.

[edge]

Quote: 3officer

This was unrealistic under Kolchak - now it is simply impossible.

never say, never .... everything is real, the calculation of forces and means is important, as well as the tactics of application.

[aleks 62 next]

..... Oh, these Straits ...

Do not be Turkish ...


..... It’s too late to drink Borjomi ..... If Russia had not left the First World War (there was a revolution), then by its results all these straits should have gone to Russia .... But .....

[perm23]

Well, here's how to say it. And France and England did not want to give the straits. And they would not give. They never loved Russia.

[edge]

Quote: Wiruz

Oh, these Straits ...

Do not be Turkish ...

... and that's not all, there is still friction in Cyprus (Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus), by the way the Cypriots are asking to put our base in them, well, the Kurds .... So, in which case the Turks may lose the right to control the straits .

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Enot_33

Ambassador to the carpet. Evacuation of tourists. Further on the situation.

What for ? Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences. In theory, after such jokes, the Turks should simply be left without the Air Force.

[Altona]

Quote: Geisenberg

What for ? Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences. In theory, after such jokes, the Turks should simply be left without the Air Force.

-----------------------
And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do?

[vorobey]

Quote: Altona

And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do?

close Turkey Nafik all ... the ruins to rename to Byzantium ... let it be objected ..

[aleks 62 next]

.... And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do? ...

... As they close it, they will open it .... I remember there is a bridge that connects Asia with Europe ..... For now ....

[U-96]

Quote: Altona

And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do?

Then the friend above threatened to take the straits from the Turks. He probably has a recipe.

[vorobey]

Quote: U-96

Then the friend above threatened to take the straits from the Turks. He probably has a recipe.

in vain iranize .. any group is like a family and the loss just doesn’t go away .. I think the VKS pilots (and whoever said that special caste as submariners) have already passed their sentence ... you don’t have to shoot down .. I think pilots know how to simply make someone else’s plane crash ... although I think that the Turks will no longer fly to Syria ..

[U-96]

Quote: vorobey

I think the VKS pilots (and whoever says this special caste as submariners) have already passed their sentence ... you don’t have to shoot down .. I think the pilots know how to simply make someone else’s plane crash ...

Well, what about the straits?

[edge]

Quote: Altona

And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do?

ignore, let them dare to attack .... especially since there is a set of rules governing free access

[avt]

Quote: Geisenberg

Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences. In theory, after such jokes, the Turks should simply be left without the Air Force.

It started, we got carried away, like to Schweik near Gashek - "To Belgrade!" Are you going to fight with the NATO country? Have you forgotten about the straits? Ah! Yes1 Two "Vashavyankas", without French "troughs", "Mistrals" we will beat back! The answer must be calculated and realized on a cold head and inevitable! To begin with, lift the moratorium on the supply of weapons of the PKK, and there it is already decided whether to take the next steps or not, depending on the development of the situation in the dynamics.

Quote: 79807420129

, pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without the word smoked,

Don’t say any nonsense - the Turks in the region have refused to let the USA troops into Kurdistan into their minds and even into an Iraqi company. It’s another matter what exactly the Erdogan’s family got on their grandmothers when they started to smash the fuel trucks to shreds and hell knows how many Turks were killed there.

[Rrrj]

Quote: avt

The answer must be calculated and realized on a cold head and inevitable! To begin with, lift the moratorium on the supply of weapons of the PKK, and there it is already decided whether to take the next steps or not, depending on the development of the situation in the dynamics.

Oh - this is the answer - this is a hidden fart.

[avt]

Quote: rrrj

Oh - this is the answer - this is a hidden fart.

If you start to think in the upper hemispheres, and not the lower ones, then make sure that even this action is for the Turks deadly. There, NOW, Turkish troops are conducting an anti-Kurdish operation against the Kurds, all the way from the southern borders to the borders with Armenia, and if you equip the Kurds with old Soviet weapons and give them what the Turks give to the spirits - ATGM, it will not seem enough. And there you can think about a no-fly zone over the same Syrian Kurdistan, which the Turks bomb regularly. Moreover, the border was bombed for the last time both on its territory and adjacent external territories.

[Rrrj]

Quote: avt

If you start to think in the upper hemispheres, and not the lower ones, then make sure that even this action is for the Turks deadly.

And if you start thinking with all your brain, you will understand that if we are arming terrorists, then we are a global threat, and if we give a slap in the face, then this is a normal answer in connection with the threat.

[U-96]

Quote: rrrj

And if you start thinking with all your brain, you will understand that if we arm terrorists, then we are a global threat.

correctly. And it is logical to assume that the PKK will be included in the lists of terrorist organizations with the same ease as it was excluded in 2009. So, I also think that the comrade with the "lifting of the moratorium" is clearly past the point.

[avt]

Quote: U-96

. And it is logical to assume that the PKK will be included in the lists of territorial organizations with the same ease as it was excluded in 2009.

The problems of the Indians / Turks, the sheriff do not care. There is a war and where they - Kurds like get weapons - it's not our business to make excuses.

Quote: rrrj

if we gave a response slap in the face - then this is a normal response, in connection with the threat.

And besides the artistic whistle, without taking into account the supply of bases in Syria conducting intensive combat work, is there anything to say?

Quote: PQ-18

But, a few sensitive lessons for the Turks are NEEDED and can be taught!

And not mirrored, but ALTERNATIVE.

[U-96]

Quote: avt

The problems of the Indians / Turks, the sheriff do not care. There is a war and where they - Kurds like get weapons - it's not our business to make excuses.

Something I do not understand your logic. So you propose to openly supply weapons to the Kurds? Or all the same gray schemes?

[avt]

Quote: U-96

Something I do not understand your logic. So you propose to openly supply weapons to the Kurds? Or all the same gray schemes?

"Act strictly according to the law, that is, act on the sly."

[79807420129]

Quote: avt

Quote: Geisenberg

Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences. In theory, after such jokes, the Turks should simply be left without the Air Force.

It started, we got carried away, like to Schweik near Gashek - "To Belgrade!" Are you going to fight with the NATO country? Have you forgotten about the straits? Ah! Yes1 Two "Vashavyankas", without French "troughs", "Mistrals" we will beat back! The answer must be calculated and realized on a cold head and inevitable! To begin with, lift the moratorium on the supply of weapons of the PKK, and there it is already decided whether to take the next steps or not, depending on the development of the situation in the dynamics.

Quote: 79807420129

, pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without the word smoked,

Don’t say any nonsense - the Turks in the region have refused to let the USA troops into Kurdistan into their minds and even into an Iraqi company. It’s another matter what exactly the Erdogan’s family got on their grandmothers when they started to smash the fuel trucks to shreds and hell knows how many Turks were killed there.

I agree with you that it was painfully swinging swords, a Turkey member of NATO may turn into a 3rd world war, here we must act very carefully, knowing that the West will hang all the dogs in Russia, but inevitably, just as a swami agrees that the Erdoganov family is connected with the oil and arms business with ISIS but to shoot down the plane, I think that Erdogan was nevertheless cautious without the support of mattresses, but say yourself that he is not completely frostbitten.

[PQ-18]

Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences.

So immediately and "FLYLESS over ALL Turkey"? ..
technically - DO NOT GET ...
yes, and WHY ?!
But some sensitive lessons Turks NEED and can be taught!

[EvilLion]

Are they there, a tourist? Even in Turkey, this is not the season.

[Mahmut]

Gouging their airfields with calibers and declaring a no-fly zone over Syria and Turkey.

[The lead]

Quote: Mahmut

Gouging their airfields with calibers and declaring a no-fly zone over Syria and Turkey.

I support.A piece of one hundred cruise missiles will hit a hundred targets in Turkey, the diplomatic department will say that this is a tragic accident, there was a system failure in the software .

[Sam_gosling]

For the dull, I remind you.

[the most important]

Quote: Enot_33

Ambassador to the carpet. Evacuation of tourists. Further on the situation.

Erdogan surrender to the Kurds! Turkey must cease to exist ... part of Greece, the straits of Russia, part of Kurdistan and a bit of Turks to leave ... somewhere in the mountains.

[scrap123]

mountains to armenians

[alexej123]

For Ararat, Armenians will flood Russia with brandy. Let's get drunk.

[PQ-18]

For Ararat, Armenians will flood Russia with brandy. Let's get drunk.

Armenians and WITHOUT Ararat have flooded Russia with "Ararat" for a long time ..

[oldav]

Turk can be understood! In 300 exploded fuel trucks were their citizens 100-200 people that's for sure. They lost free oil and a gain on resale.

[aleks 62 next]

.... Turks can be understood! ...

.... Do not understand them !!!! .... They are like pharmacists - they buy stolen goods (by the way from the Syrian and Iraqi people) ..... Thieves and their accomplices cannot be understood !!!!

[alexej123]

Where does infa come from? OBS?

[gladcu2]

oldav

It’s impossible to understand.

[222222]

Enot_33 (1) SU Today, 13:14 ↑
1. The blows of Russian aviation violated the plans of Turkey and Erdogan ..
2. VVP is on a working visit to the Third Summit of the Forum of Gas Exporting Countries
-In Tehran, Vladimir Putin held talks with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

November 23, 2015 http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50770
- Conversation with Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei

November 23, 2015, 15:10 http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50745


3. Turkey - Iran: "Eternal" rivalry ????
..turk and went on ... boarding ..

[Tatar 174]

Quote: 222222

Turks and went on ... boarding ..

Soon the anniversary of the Sinop battle, when the Turkish fleet was defeated by our fleet under the command of Admiral Nakhimov. It is necessary to mark this day with something ... to remind the Turks of their place.

[Kaccad]

Like a bag over the head ...
Initially, it was clear that losses are possible, BUT not so !! Not a country that "aspires to the EU", not a country that "supports the Turkish stream", not a country "jeans and leather jackets", not a country "a favorite vacation spot for Russians."
So - this is not a country !!!! This is a terrorist organization.
This ter. the organization does not even consider it necessary to somehow veil the situation, but appeals directly (like all similar groups) to its masters in NATO. Who after that can just THINK !, that they are our "friends".
I do not know what the "commander-in-chief" will do, but he must understand very well that if he releases it on the brakes, then everything that he has done before will be leveled by this one plane, and he will appear as an ordinary "hero" of the folk proverb "Well done, in the middle sheep, but for a good fellow, so the sheep itself. " I sincerely hope that this will not happen, and Russia will find a WORTHY solution, like during these two years.
PS Like a bag ...
I wish loved ones not to lose hope !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PPS A TTG (Turkish terrorist group) from me now will not wait for a ruble or a "half" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alexej123]

Good koment, I support. To the relatives and friends of the pilots - we are also worried about them, everything will be fine.

[brr1]

What for to evacuate them, ILs with weapons there and let the partisans before the arrival of the main forces.

[perm23]

Damn I'm for it. Urgently to Turkey and partisan.

[Maxom75]

It is necessary to make clear to Erdogan that he is not a sultan, but a hysterical coward. It’s necessary to take out all the tourists and the ban on travel to Turkey, no Turkish flow, no gas discounts, restore the visa regime, if you don’t understand what you’ve done and will not apologize with compensation for the cost of the plane and a million dollars for the health of each pilot, then sanctions enter on it.

[Maxom75]

It is necessary to make clear to Erdogan that he is not a sultan, but a hysterical coward. It’s necessary to take out all the tourists and the ban on travel to Turkey, no Turkish flow, no gas discounts, restore the visa regime, if you don’t understand what you’ve done and will not apologize with compensation for the cost of the plane and a million dollars for the health of each pilot, then sanctions enter on it.

[Gradus HuK]

Debt by payment is red! For all of our partners, you will keep the answer.

[Makarov]

This is a version of the route of the planes from the British

[Boatsman_Palych]

Plus, the abolition of a visa-free regime, the abolition of the South Stream and the termination of trade with the Turks in general - let Eodogan be accountable to the people for deflection under pin.s

[Boatsman_Palych]

Plus, the abolition of a visa-free regime, the abolition of the South Stream and the termination of trade with the Turks in general - let Eodogan be accountable to the people for deflection under pin.s

[shershen]

Yes, perhaps now the Russians should not fly to Turkey.

[Reserve officer]

It's a challenge. I'd like to see in reality:
1. The ban on visiting citizens of the Russian Federation in Turkey.
2. Termination of all joint commercial projects.
3. Termination of admission of Turkish citizens to the territory of Russia.
4. The maximum reduction in the length of stay now in Russia.
The only way. Tough and without regard to business and political curtsies.
And if blackmail with straits begins, then the severance of diplomatic relations and all kinds of support for the Kurds, including weapons.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Enot_33

Ambassador to the carpet. Evacuation of tourists. Further on the situation.

Urgently take measures to counter Turkish air defense, with a warning that if a suspicion of an attack is suspected, all threats will be immediately destroyed without warning !!!

[Butchcassidy]

Actually, this is an expected provocation. A few days ago, Hakan Fidan (head of MIT - Turkish intelligence) openly threatened Russia.

Here the question is an adequate answer. Turks precisely want to provoke Russia. The question is that nobody will ever harness for Turkey. Erdogan's provocation is his personal initiative, I do not think that it was agreed with the United States.

[AlexeyL]

The initiative may be personal, but the results are American.
In all Turkish wars, the British stood behind the Turks, in this case most likely the Americans.
Europe announced sanctions to us, and now we ourselves are forced to break off relations with Turkey. whose interest is it?
As I see it, they are trying to drag Russia into any armed conflict in any way, which will subsequently be dragged out as much as possible.

[79807420129]

The Turks already otmazyvatsya that they warned 10 times, pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without a word smoked, I have bad feelings about something.

[kil 31]

Quote: 79807420129

The Turks already otmazyvatsya that they warned 10 times, pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without a word smoked, I have bad feelings about something.

It is necessary to bomb 10 Turkish air defense airfields with F 16 and say that there are ten warnings not to shoot down our planes.

[Altona]

Quote: keel 31

It is necessary to bomb 10 Turkish air defense airfields with F 16 and say that there are ten warnings not to shoot down our planes.

-------------------------
Do not ... Suppress Turkish anti-aircraft defense with electronic warfare, and other such asymmetric answers ... And why did the bomber go without fighter cover?

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: Altona

Suppress Turkish air defense means EW

The question is, but where was our EW, which covers the airspace? Where was the EW of the aircraft, and if he was not equipped with EW, then who will answer for it from the generals?

[askort154]

killer 31 ..... It is necessary to bomb 10 air defense airfields of Turkey with F 16 and say this ten warnings not to shoot down our planes.

Ten is a lot. If I were Shoigu, I would give the command - to send one "Caliber" to the F-16 airfield tonight,
just one. After the progress report, he waved his hand and said - now let the politicians understand. I reported to the Commander-in-Chief, forgive me, otherwise I could not, this is my job!
I'm sure he would forgive him. But as they say, dreaming is not harmful.

[alexej123]

Or, as in T. Clancy’s book, to set the board number of the F-16 and destroy it, it is best in flight, then say that they warned, but ...

[Geisenberg]

Quote: 79807420129

The Turks already otmazyvatsya that they warned 10 times, pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without a word smoked, I have bad feelings about something.

Even so. And exactly the plane was in Turkish territory? Something is in big doubt.

[provincial]

Horseradish with the Turks, as our leadership will otmazyvatsya it is more interesting.

[lis-ik]

Most likely they will be excused, as always streamlined. I didn’t want to, but it turned out ambiguous, but the truth itself climbs.

[the most important]

Quote: provincial

Horseradish with the Turks, as our leadership will otmazyvatsya it is more interesting.

This is a natural personal spit ... to see at the summit agreed with the black man.

[222222]

79807420129 SU Today, 13:17 ↑ New
The Turks are already excluding themselves, ... ""
..This example = violation of airspace over the Aegean Sea by both the Greek Air Force aircraft and the Turkish Air Force aircraft are regular. But the matter does not come to the use of weapons ..
.27.10.2015. "" Twenty Turkish Air Force planes invaded Greek airspace

Media clarify that Turkish aircraft were found in the northeast, southeast and central Aegean.

Twenty Turkish aircraft on Monday violated the rules in the Athens Flight Information Zone (FIR Athens) and Greek airspace over the Aegean Sea, RIA Novosti reported with reference to several Greek media. There is no official confirmation of this information yet.

"Five groups of 14 aircraft, as well as 6 individual aircraft committed 15 violations and 31 more violations," writes, in particular, the influential Greek newspaper Kathimerini.

Media clarify that Turkish aircraft were found in the northeast, southeast and central Aegean.

According to the General Staff of the Greek Air Force, for eight months of 2015, from January to August, 1306 airspace violations were recorded by 101 military aircraft groups. Including there were 28 flights over the territory of Greece.

[Pulya]

Putin has just appeared on Channel 2 ... A big response is brewing along the way!
GDP directly indicated - Turkey is in the same harness with ISIS ...
So have to wet

[veksha50]

Quote: 79807420129

Turks are already otmazyvatsya that warned 10 times, pure provocation,

10 times in five minutes ...

I've tried to utter the phrase: "I demand to leave the airspace" 10 times .... Well, you just have to hammer on the machine almost quickly ... And in what language, in Turkish ???

[aleks 62 next]

.... The Turks already otmazyvatsya that warned 10 times, clean water ...

..... There the Turks laid out the trajectory of the downed plane ..... If it was in the airspace of Turkey (there is one "appendix", then only a few seconds ..... And during this time to warn 10 times - unreal ..... They hang noodles .... Like naughty dogs - they did it, and the point shrank ...

[atalef]

Quote: aleks 62 next

If he was in the airspace of Turkey (there is one "appendix", then only a few seconds

it will not play a role in international chatter - the Turks will say - there was a violation.
I say again - the problem is where the living pilot is now.

[godun]

I agree with you, now the main thing is to pull out a living pilot.

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: atalef

the problem is where is the live pilot now

One of the military leaders of the Syrian Turkmen declared that his people had shot both pilots of the Russian Su-24 after they had ejected and landed with parachutes. Reported by Reuters.
Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2861241

[atalef]

Quote: aleks 62 next

If he was in the airspace of Turkey (there is one "appendix", then only a few seconds

it will not play a role in international chatter - the Turks will say - there was a violation.
I say again - the problem is where the living pilot is now.

[Russiamoy]

our president has just called the leadership of Turkey accomplices of terrorists, and a downed plane hit us in the back. He also said that the pilot was not warned and all this will have consequences. hard. but what next?

[3officer]

Quote: Russiamoya

our president has just called the leadership of Turkey accomplices of terrorists, and a downed plane hit us in the back. He also said that the pilot was not warned and all this will have consequences. hard. but what next?

After the drone shot down by the Turks earlier, the call of our ambassador (the Turks made it clear that they were capable of more), the authorities most likely began work on the options for "sophisticated" responses.

[Russian Moldavian]

there the battle goes on at the crash site, for our falcons, like the VKS turntables are being pulled,

[Atrix]

I think nothing will follow. The Foreign Ministry will express dissatisfaction and this will end

[Monos]

No, comrades. I'm afraid this is WAR. Janissaries tangled the coast. Today it’s impossible to forgive!

[the most important]

Quote: Monos

No, comrades. I'm afraid this is WAR. Janissaries tangled the coast. Today it’s impossible to forgive!

Forgiving means bending! And in the east it is absolutely impossible to bend!

[Rrrj]

Quote: Monos

No, comrades. I'm afraid this is WAR. Janissaries tangled the coast. Today it’s impossible to forgive!

I support in every way - insolent board - you can’t forgive this!

[Terminolol]

I think now it is primarily worried about the fate of the pilots. The main thing is that the men would be all right! Waiting for the news!

[Aroma77]

According to the second, they say that he died.

[Saburo]

Allegedly the body of a Russian pilot. The second was really captured.

[Dembel77]

I think guys that all 10 warnings of the Turks on air-to-air missiles wrote and ... How would there be no war?

[kit-kat]

Even this will not stop you from visiting the Turkish coast?

[Irokez]

Quote: Aslan88

One pilot captured by the Turkman. So said from the RBC Channel.

One pilot seems to have died and there is even a video if this is the moment. Could moderate and immediately kill more in the air.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNo_wFT_aD4

[Saburo]

Two parachutes were shown in the photo. I don’t know how the ejection seats work on aircraft with a tandem crew, but I think both pilots should be conscious. It would be useful to clarify this with local pilots.
So it is possible that the second pilot was killed on the ground. Of course, he may have died and from injuries while descending.

[aleks 62 next]

.... So it is possible that the second pilot was killed on the ground ....


.... It looks like this ..... There is no parachute nearby (in the video), and the parachute suspension has been removed ... The eye has swum ... And another ....

[BIA29-80]

We contain the Turks themselves .. and now we complain .. I agree to close the exit to them .. to the resorts

[REXSTORZ]

2 say died with. critters

[Skif83]

the Russian crew managed to eject, and one of the pilots is in the hands of the "local Turkmen tribes." Turkish media have not yet reported on the fate of the second pilot

So the time has come to work on SPN GRU.
Pilots to pick up, Tureks (even if they are Turkmen, essence, Türks) multiply by zero!
Tureks arrange a boycott of tourism.
Support the Kurds, incl. and weapons.
To warn that everything that will threaten our VKS will be destroyed, wherever it is!

[Spnsr]

there is no video on this, but in one video you can hear silk next to the shooter, like on a professional camera.
one gets the impression that it was specially staged and put on display, awaiting a reaction!
we are waiting too! among other things, the Turks hike cast a rod associated with pan-Turkism !!!
but in general, s.ts.uk.i. they are! unexpectedly, in the back, there isn’t even a comparison, even animals if they hit in the back, but you know that this attack should be, this animal is so arranged!
and these!? they themselves give a definition, and let it remain in the memory of our descendants, how low and vile the closest neighbors can be!
these are not the descendants of Ataturk, and especially those who captured Constantinople and terrified Europe, they are vile, low reptiles, licking a thick rear pin. dos.
I won’t be surprised if the Turk becomes a household name, vile, beating in the back like a Turk ...

[sever.56]

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/146/hqfn851.png

Few doubt that our bombing of oil fields, oil refineries and columns with oil and oil products is ruining the well-established Turkish business of buying these products for a pittance, compared to market prices. Plus, Assad kicked Qatar with his idea of ​​laying a gas pipeline through Syria. Even faith for these "businessmen" is a matter of ten. Only money, money and money.
Our shot down plane is revenge for the destroyed oil business and an attempt to take it "for a weak", to test our reaction to the shot down plane. It is difficult to find a way out of this situation, but this cannot be forgiven. The reaction should be, and what it will be - to decide at the top. you can, for example, cover a tourist shop for the Turks, they get huge money from Russian tourists. It is possible to live without Antalya, for a while, until they come to their senses, and do not understand that offending Russia is more expensive for themselves ...

[Aslan88]

In fact, this is a Sufi in Turkey and not a daesh.

[Good me]

Quote: Aslan88

In fact, this is a Sufi in Turkey and not a daesh.

Horseradish radish is not sweeter

Good terrorists - in good pork skins, bad - in bad ...

[alexej123]

What difference does it make, EVERYBODY and those Shaytans who support them. And the Turks showed themselves to be JACKALS. GUYS, if you have everything protruding below the belt, there is the cruiser "Moskva" nearby. He's got the air defense systems on your ass just right. What are you afraid of? And why did they immediately rush to NATO like jackals? You still shit in Chechen companies. the representatives of the Turkish LGBT community were especially "touched" by the fact that they staged a rally near the consulate, as if a Russian plane had shot down a Turkish one. LGBTists and JACKALS. And who was this minority representative who embraced the militants so tenderly?

[Scoun]

Erdogan started a very muddy "game" .. he, hiding behind NATO, does his dark deeds .. and then there will be a double-edged sword, either NATO supports the actions of Turkey and it turns out igils, because then it’s impossible to talk about a coalition against igils, the French, whereas ? for isis? or for Turkish NATO?
In general, the situation is not simple ... but it was expected ... Erdogan clearly made it clear that he would definitely take the chance to bring down an airplane of the Russian Federation and even if he shot down over Syrian territory .. he generally risks little (as he believes) .. But what will Turkish partners consider in the future? Erdogan tired of many ...
In general, we will wait for the performance of the GDP, the GDP has declared war on the igil and he will make a decision, he is aware of / aware of the risks and knows everything better than ours ...
Now I hope about one thing - that our "rescuers" would work as clearly as possible and release the pilots.
PS
Now is not a tour season ... but I hope that Turkey will at least come back financially (not only due to tourism, how many terrorist attacks were there, maybe the same Germans do not want to go to a hot spot) ... and I hope that I will not will be able to arrange a hot war with the wrong hands with Russia and even these damn straits .....

[lelikas]

In fact, the first Germans in tourism there, ours somewhere had a fourth place. Yes, and the season has already passed, so only the next year if ... But over Syria, you must accurately shoot down everything that flies without permission.

[Russiamoy]

Yes, everything should be in the compartment. embargo on manufactured goods (we have Turkish goods and clothes - every second item is on the counter) and products from Turkey along with the tourist industry

[Albert1988]

Quote: Russiamoya

Yes, everything should be in the compartment. embargo on manufactured goods (we have Turkish goods and clothes - every second item is on the counter) and products from Turkey along with the tourist industry

About Turkish consumer goods has not yet been heard, but the news sounded. that tour operators stop selling permits to Turkey ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: sever.56

Our shot down plane is revenge for the destroyed oil business and an attempt to take it "for a weak", to test our reaction to the shot down plane.

My opinion is only one option of an adequate answer - to repeatedly increase the bombing of oil facilities and columns, let them choke on their revenge ..
And, of course, powerful pressure on the diplomatic front ...

[alexej123]

I need to say hello to him from Yandarbiev, weighing about 2 kilograms in TNT equivalent. GRU, TsSN, "Barrier" - your turn to exit.

[alexej123]

I need to say hello to him from Yandarbiev, weighing about 2 kilograms in TNT equivalent. GRU, TsSN, "Barrier" - your turn to exit.

[Alexander Romanov]

Data from the radars to the studio and from ours too.

[Good me]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Data from the radars to the studio and from ours too.

And soon, I would like ... So that in the Moscow Region they would not pull an ox for what he does not have ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Good Me

And soon, I would like ... So that in the Moscow Region they would not pull an ox for what he does not have ...

Now the meeting is in progress in the Moscow Region.

[Good me]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Now the meeting is in progress in the Moscow Region.

Briefing, according to the results, is not planned? And then, here the video is already laid out, with our pilot allegedly killed ...

I think the severity of the moment is yet to come ...

[Finches]

Casus belli - smacks of ...

[avt]

Quote: Finches

Casus belli - smacks of ...

The answer for the lost loot during the destruction of Turkish fuel trucks. Sun is repeated, like in Afghanistan with packs, when they were on duty along the border and brought down the Afghan Su-22 and Rutsky, the latter two times.

[Finches]

We are waiting for the reaction of the Supreme ...!

[Freelancer7]

Rutskoi was not intercepted, he was thrown from the ground, for he pulled to the last and struck from extremely low heights (kamikaze style). But in fact, ours really turned off the birch, so that it wouldn’t press on the brains, because they were escorted at the border.

[avt]

Quote: Freelancer7

Rutskoi was not intercepted, he was thrown from the ground,

Yah !?? Do you want to refresh his PERSONAL interview on this topic? Well, then what would you not require from me confirming links to facts.

[spiriolla-45]

Yes it doesn’t smell, but you need to answer. Turks, like all animals, understand only brute force, preferably with particular cruelty. For follow-up will follow, from impunity.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: spiriolla-xnumx

y, preferably with particular cruelty.

Nuclear strike on Ankara will suit you?

[EvilLion]

Me yes. Missing Strategic Missile Forces miss business.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: EvilLion

Me yes. Missing Strategic Missile Forces miss business.

Doesn’t a retaliatory nuclear strike by you?

[Yorgven]

I’m not there, the Yankees will not receive a retaliatory nuclear strike because of the stupid black-asses that they themselves sucked up ... And do not care for them to do this, it was created for other purposes ... Whatever, they didn’t tell silly European hamsters.

[godun]

I agree with you, that’s why these descendants of the Janissaries are so brave

[lis-ik]

Now I’m writing with hot, but honestly. Alexander, I would have been satisfied with a massive advanced nuclear strike against the United States, so at least some chance of Russia’s survival would have remained.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: lis-ik

Now I’m writing with hot, but honestly. Alexander, I would have been satisfied with a massive advanced nuclear strike against the United States, so at least some chance of Russia’s survival would have remained.

I'm afraid if this happens, then you only hearing that our missiles flew to the United States, put on your pants right before you reach the toilet.
Sorry for the straightforwardness.

[lis-ik]

I can’t do it, I’m far from a schoolboy, by and large, there’s nothing to lose too much, but I’ll experience a lasting feeling of deep satisfaction!

[perm23]

I honestly will not write. useless . To the store for vodka and all. I’ll sit with my wife and child. run it then.

[alexej123]

I am also with vodka. I drank for the kingdom of heaven to the deceased and for the health of the second pilot. Lord, give strength to the family of our guys.

[Hello]

Quote: lis-ik

Now I’m writing with hot, but honestly. Alexander, I would have been satisfied with a massive advanced nuclear strike against the United States, so at least some chance of Russia’s survival would have remained.

I think after this blow the chance to survive will not remain for anyone on the planet.

[lis-ik]

This is somewhat exaggerated.

[adept666]

Nuclear strike on Ankara will suit you?

To begin with, I’m thinking of declaring a high combat readiness mode and putting the Strategic Rocket Forces in combat positions. Pause so that those who need to see / hear it. Then the ultimatum of Turkey: 30 hours to justify their actions with all possible evidence (if they prove that ours was allowed, then let them live on, if it turns out that they made something huge compensation), if not, we will consider a declaration of war from which a massive a nuclear missile strike on the infrastructure of the Turkish Armed Forces and those who fit into them. Everyone on the knife otherwise there will be no respect ...

[adept666]

It’s tough but right - I just wrote recently - that I feel something was wrong .. m ... I’m like our peaceful life did not end ...

In this case, softer will only get worse. They want to fight, we will fight ... by all means available. The Su-24, even if it violated their borders and even if it did not respond to requests, did not represent any danger to Turkey, the Turks knew this perfectly. Such situations are resolved simply by a plane of the country's air force flying to the intruder and visually contacting him and only if such a step is deliberately ignored - weapons are used, a common practice for everyone who does not want war, and in this case we were given a slap in the face and immediately ran to call for help of a big brother (consultations of the UN and NATO). Such actions should be regarded as declaring war and acting according to military doctrine.

[Pulya]

Alexander Romanov
Why jerk ...
In this situation, you need to answer adequately ... knock a couple of three F 16 ... to begin with.

[3officer]

Quote: Pulya

Alexander Romanov
Why jerk ...
In this situation, you need to answer adequately ... knock a couple of three F 16 ... to begin with.

Well, or a variant of the "Air Force of the Syrian Arab Republic" shot down Turkish F- in Syrian airspace, naturally, after 16 warnings. But this is the most commonplace.

[Retvizan 8]

Guys, but these are not our methods!

[maiman61]

If we don’t answer symmetrically, then we are buried!

[kot28.ru]

And can black boxes record these warnings? It’s understandable, now everything is civil (not civilized, but such ) countries with an English accent will support the Turks, this is revenge for the broken oil in fuel trucks, what are we preparing in response? How can these mudods prove the opposite if this is a provocation and they are tuned in to their inspection result, because in the case of Boeing in Ukraine, it is still many testimonies were not provided from the side of Ukraine, which could shed light on the perpetrators of the murder, the West is silent about it, we are waiting for the howling of liberals about the Russian occupiers, we are waiting for the howling of "civilized countries" about the wrong Russian planes!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kot28.ru

Can black boxes record these warnings?

There will be no black boxes, the plane is in the militant zone.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There will be no black boxes, the plane is in the militant zone.

If we don’t answer symmetrically, then we are buried!

Cheburashki are fruitful ...

[Good me]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There will be no black boxes, the plane is in the militant zone.

I will definitely not argue not special. But somewhere, something "heard-read" that such "boxes" do not exist on combat aircraft.

Although, I may be wrong ...

[kot28.ru]

I will know ATP

[avvg]

Another provocation on the account of the Turks.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: avvg

Another provocation on the account of the Turks.

It looks like a crime .. if it’s not shot down over Turkish territories, then this is a formal reason for war .. the president is unlikely to do it, but the tourism industry of Turkey is determined to be in jeopardy, not counting other projects ..
Perhaps revenge for the shot down last year by Carapace S - a Turkish reconnaissance aircraft ..

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Quote: avvg

Another provocation on the account of the Turks.

It looks like a crime .. if it’s not shot down over Turkish territories, then this is a formal reason for war .. the president is unlikely to do it, but the tourism industry of Turkey is determined to be in jeopardy, not counting other projects ..
Perhaps revenge for the shot down last year by Carapace S - a Turkish reconnaissance aircraft ..

GDP begins to highlight - "it was a dastardly stab in the back from the terrorists' accomplices - Turkey..our planes did not threaten Turkey in any way ,,, these events will have the most serious consequences in relations with Turkey .."
Bravo Vladimir Vladimirovich ...

[Sirocco]

Quote: avvg

Another provocation on the account of the Turks.

That provocation is for sure .. The video operator probably happened to be there, and the photojournalists clicked their cameras like crazy, you can hear the video. Now they warned about 10 times, it seems that someone shot down an unmanned aerial vehicle was also warned 10 times before they shot down 16. However, it turned out to be suspiciously intact after that attack.

[sabakina]

The video operator probably happened to be there by accident, and the photo reporters clicked their cameras like crazy, you can hear the video.

An ordinary "piano in the bushes". The most interesting thing is the picture quality ...

[veksha50]

Quote: avvg

Another provocation on the account of the Turks.

Hmm ... Either the Bosphorus needs a radical expansion, or the territory of Turkey needs a radical change ...

[alexej123]

Do you propose to expand and name it "Strait named after Putin"?

[veksha50]

Quote: alexej123

Do you propose to expand and name it "Strait named after Putin"?

No, simpler, but much more significant ... Just "Russian" or "Russian" ...

[Good me]

Quote: veksha50

No, simpler, but much more significant ... Just "Russian" or "Russian" ...

And how else to call the strait from the Russian Sea to the Mediterranean?

[veksha50]

Quote: Good Me

And how else to call the strait from the Russian Sea to the Mediterranean?

Central Russian ... Great Russian ... Kaput America ... something like that, choose ...

[Good me]

Quote: veksha50

Quote: Good Me

And how else to call the strait from the Russian Sea to the Mediterranean?

Central Russian ... Great Russian ... Kaput America ... something like that, choose ...

With my commentary, I was not looking for an alternative to the PROSPECTIVE name of the strait "Russian" ...

I completely agree with him. Although the options proposed by you are not very bad ...

[alexej123]

Is accepted.

[chunga-changa]

Well, what a provocation it is, this is already an act of war, at least for any independent and strong state. Most likely, this does not apply to the Russian Federation, therefore there will most likely be extreme anxiety, and perhaps even condemnation!

[Prapor-527]

Means of objective control prove that the plane was shot down over the territory of Syria, and did not fly into Turkey. Min.Defenses of the Russian Federation.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Prapor-527

Objective controls prove

This is an objective control for us, for the Turks it is subjective.

[Prapor-527]

Quote: Ingvar 72

This is an objective control for us, for the Turks it is subjective.

Well, in that case, the F-16s "over Syrian territory" are not immortals either ...

[JonnyT]

the question is: how is tracking the movement of the aircraft ???????

If the Turks led the ZhPS, then the Americans could change their positioning

[Pak_c_TonopoM]

And here, not all calibers are calibrated ... They might accidentally fall into Ankara ... After 10 warnings ...

[Wiruz]

Oh, I feel that we are on the verge of a grandiose rascal ...

If you believe our MO, and I don’t know the reasons for not believing him, then there was no violation of the air border, especially 10 times in a row.

Probably Erdogan finally imagines himself the Lady of the Sea, since he took such a risky step. Although, perhaps all this is a provocation of the Western "partners", and Turkey is not at all aisles here. How do we know what the CIA had enough imagination for?

[HAM]

There will be nothing, a schukher too.

[Wiruz]

There will be nothing, a schukher too.

Turkey will not be? The dream of Nicholas II will come true: will the Russian Flag rise above the Bosphorus and Dardanella (he seems to have correctly written) ... I don’t think so.

[Tu-214R]

Apart from loud statements for the press, there will be nothing.
Damn when the Greeks will shoot down Turkish planes?
Threat rested in Turkey (with a small letter) - supported the terrorists.

[Tu-214R]

I work in firefox, when adding a comment, for some reason 2 (two) posts are added.

[HAM]

WHY NOBODY DOES THOUGHT: AND WHY IS A PRACTICALLY PROFESSIONAL FILMING A PLANE IN THE NETWORK ?? WHAT TURKMEN PEASANTS ALWAYS carry video cameras on their donkeys ?? Try just removing a flying airplane and wonder how difficult it is ...

[Tu-214R]

I agree, "Russian knights" at the 2012 hydroaviasalone on camera was a bit hard to shoot.

[kit-kat]

It’s not sad, yes.

[avdkrd]

Quote: Wiruz

Oh, I feel that we are on the verge of a grandiose rascal ...

If you believe our MO, and I don’t know the reasons for not believing him, then there was no violation of the air border, especially 10 times in a row.

Probably Erdogan finally imagines himself the Lady of the Sea, since he took such a risky step. Although, perhaps all this is a provocation of the Western "partners", and Turkey is not at all aisles here. How do we know what the CIA had enough imagination for?

Turkey in any case, as they immediately took responsibility for the downed plane (made a statement). As much as I would not like, but I will have to respond as harshly as possible, up to a strike on Turkish airfields, shooting down their planes, even if the Strategic Missile Forces will have to be alerted. In any case, Turkey committed an act of aggression, even if our plane really violated Turkish airspace - Turkey's reaction is disproportionate and characterizes Turkey as an ISIS accomplice, and since there was no violation (at least at the time of the downing, there was no violation, our response must discourage the desire to repeat it. It is too late to be afraid of provocation, and if the goal of the Turkish demarche was to destroy the emerging coalition against ISIS, they achieved it anyway.Although the situation was orchestrated in Washington, NATO is unlikely to fit in with Turkey if the situation spills over into a full-fledged conflict. and if it fits in, then this was the goal and we still have nowhere to go. It seems to me that we should not be trifling and limit the reaction to economic measures. Blue and South Stream are insignificant against the background of loss of reputation if they are preserved. Edrogan is not eternal and Turkey is highly dependent on the Russian market and cheap gas will be very "upset" for this production. therefore, the absence of a "response" in big politics, as well as in crime, is perceived as weakness.
BB has already made a statement calling Turkey an accomplice of ISIS, I'm afraid we are on the verge of BIG events.

[Wiruz]

I just wondered now: where were our Su-30SM and Su-27SM3 at that moment? After all, they had to cover

[alexej123]

How many are there, 4 or 5? Su-24 and Su-25 also make single sorties. There was no cover at all, or they did not count on such a development of events.

[Terminolol]

The Turks are already overgrown! Of course, it is strongly said that to declare war, but giving an adequate answer would not hurt. We didn’t understand the hint with Egypt, which means to ban the flights of our planes to Turkey with the sale of tours for a year!

[win]

Turn off gas and oil. At least for the period of clarification of positions ...

[Terminolol]

Your sarcasm is not understood. But the prohibition of flights, in the subject that the civilian board would not be shot down, etc. quite.
I think the issue of oil is not relevant, but it is too early to talk about gas.

[Amurets]

Of course, the answer is asymmetrical. To supply the Kurds with everything they need, and they will arrange a nobleman on the border between Turkey and Syria and go to the UN with a proposal to create the state of Kurdistan.

[Terminolol]

And to build their military base there ... and went through that. Actually, it’s quite a sound idea. And you can learn from the Americans a thread))

[serg1970]

We are waiting for objective monitoring data and statements by our military.

Although in any case this is a polar fox.

[cumastra1]

In my opinion, if these are really Turks, then it's time to die, first to the Turks, and then we'll see.

[bubalik]

has been warned at least 10 times.

,,, yes, and our pilots are "stupid, stupid", excuses for kindergarten ,,,

[Vladimir71]

I hope we do not remain in debt ...

[vjatsergey]

And what will be Russia's response to the downed aircraft ?! Write a protest? Or what? Fuck a Turkish plane, if it is over Syria, they fly there without any legal reason?

[bubalik]

vjatsergey SU  Today, 13: 12

,,, well, goodbye to all inclusive, it will definitely be ,,

[oldav]

Will be hushed up as always. The pilot will be taken from the Turkoman and will be given to us, like a goodwill gesture with a little scolding. Gazprom grandmothers are more important. It contains an echo, where everyone rejoices in tragedy.

[silver_roman]

not clear Air Force or air defense forces shot down? and where were our su-30cm? It seems like they usually cover it or doesn’t it always happen? although there are only 4 of them, and there will be more bombers.

[oldav]

It is not possible with 2-3 fighters to provide full cover, especially from where you do not expect trouble.

[silver_roman]

if a su-24 was shot down by the Turkish Air Force, then one su-30 is enough to detect a group target in the form of an F-16. Another thing if it is air defense. But it seems like the PAtriotanks were taken from Turkey.
In general, we are waiting for the results

[veksha50]

Quote: silver_roman

It seems like they usually cover it or doesn’t it always happen?

A couple of days ago, there was information that our contingent in Syria was switching to single sorties, not in groups and not always with cover ... This was explained by many goals and the inability to attack them all in time ... Apparently, the regime is still tense ...

PS True, in this case, one or two flying Su-24s flicker in various information ... One was shot down, about the second - they were generally silent, where and what, and how ...

[silver_roman]

In this situation, the official statements of Turkey sound very strange. They almost immediately recognized that it was their Air Force (!!!) that shot down the Su-24, which violated their airspace.
And just like that, the states supported them almost immediately.
Very similar to a provocation.
But this is all philosophy.
If it is purely pragmatic to reason, then the following comes out:
- If La was shot down over Syria, then this is practically a declaration of war by a member of NATO.
- if they shot down over Turkey, why did the pilots land in Syria ??? And, as the media write (there is no reason to believe that the pilots were captured by the Turks, i.e., the Turks crossed the Syrian state border and captured the military of the Russian Federation is a rude and impudent gesture, which should entail tough conclusions and actions on the part of the Russian Federation.
-suppose that our aircraft somehow flew into the territory of Turkey, but the fact that he was there for 5 minutes and did not understand what was happening (and at that time the Turks were desperately trying to reach out to him) - UNLIKELY !!! But if so, then we must continue to bring down the Turkot as soon as he crosses the Syrian border and do the same with the alleged ground groups.
---- and most importantly: this cannot be left unanswered. Otherwise, all kinds of mongrels will try to repeat this. It is only worth giving slack.
By the way a couple of years ago, Syrian air defense phantom Turkish shot down. Maybe they are still offended, there most likely our specialists either indirectly or directly participated !!!
That and several times our aircraft really violated the border of Turkey!

[Plato]

About violation of the airspace - this is the Turks before God will make excuses. Putin’s business is to send them there

[mag nit]

So Turkish planes also need to be shot down over Syria, because Russian VKS are there officially.

[KAPITANUS]

We are on the verge of tremendous changes! Russia VICTORY OF ALL!

[Kuzhugetovich]

Quote: KAPITANUS

! Russia VICTORY OF ALL!

You are welcome!

[Erg]

I think ours will sort it out. Vladimirovich more than once surprised the demons with his strategic abilities. Minesweeper is slow, but there is no need to overtake him ... At least the hydra began to show its heads, lifting them out of shit. It will be easier to chop.

[Pulya]

Why all ???
Only enemies ...

[Wolka]

the situation is ambiguous and it is not worth flogging a fever ...

[saturn.mmm]

Firstly, it is not clear what he was doing there without cover against the backdrop of unfriendly statements by the Turkish side the day before.
What will the Russian leadership say now? Probably put forward a note of protest.

[askort154]

Kommersant writes that two statements are being prepared. One NATO-tovskoe, the other the president of the Russian Federation. We wait!

[oleggun]

yes you are a soothsayer))) Why would the GDP "drain", the bearded hollows perfectly. To whom does it feel bad?

[beer-youk]

Recipe - Carpet bombing 100 km from the Syrian border to the north inland and 100 km along the front (the area that they say they cannot control). Ottoman chocks, they are Seljuks, do not understand differently!

[Corsair]

Quote: beer-youk

Recipe - Carpet bombing 100 km from the Syrian border to the north inland and 100 km along the front (the area that they say they cannot control). Ottoman chocks, they are Seljuks, do not understand differently!

First pull out the pilot by any means possible, then clean out under the cover of aircraft and air defense with carpet bombing and vacuum bombs

[skeptic31]

Are ours and they will let it down?

[Born in USSR]

The moment of truth. And you have to answer this muck to see the Turks for money, buy oil from ig for nothing, see ours bombed well. So you need to put everything in the trash there, wait until they restore and repeat. Well, and probably reduce tourism such as the threat of terrorists. Yes, and go through the trade. For one, our oligarchs should be pressed. They don’t care about the country. Lord, let the West impose a sanction and freeze all their wealth and better confiscate it, for one they will take the villas, maybe these freaks will understand where you need to save money.

[Nzn]

This will be a signal to these freaks to restore the egg capsule at our expense ...

[Lord_Sita]

What excites me most of all right now is how ours will carry out the rescue operation. I hope there are funds and specially trained people to conduct. God forbid it came as a surprise to our Moscow Region, like snow in winter for communal services.
And where were the cover fighters? I read that for some reason they usually covered from the sea. From whom?

[Lord_Sita]

A rescue operation was carried out in no way and even worse. Why was it necessary to send a cardboard MI-8 there?

[Hiw]

Turks, they are Turks, mongrels on the Anglo-Saxon rope, I see I don’t like that the oil flow from Syria has stopped, like this is their warning, the gentlemen’s very narrow mind, what will they do if we put more systems s-300 and s-400 ??? and with the consent of the Syrian leadership, we will declare a no-fly zone over Syria, and so by chance we’ll make a mistake with the coordinates of this zone deep into Turkey, even for a hundred kilometers in total, and if we defeat their f-16, let’s say it flew into Syria’s territory

[seos]

It is necessary to supply anti-aircraft systems to Syria in large quantities ... because the West is preparing for a ground operation to fight the "Ishil", the Syrian army will be bombed and we will be squeezed out .... Only here is the problem of the sea route the Turks control.

[skeptic31]

Are ours and they will let it down?

[Trigger-Happy]

Turks are cowardly scoundrels. Not a ruble left at their resorts !!!! So the team received from the leaders, nothing surprising. Question - how will our management answer? I don’t think that the situation will escalate.

[DimYang]

The war has begun. The arrogance of the Turks must be punished. Wipe out.

[kit-kat]

I do not understand. The radiation warning system did not work or what? Even the shooting of heat traps is not visible.

[veksha50]

Quote: kit-kat

I do not understand. The radiation warning system did not work or what?

It seems to me that 10 warnings made within 5 minutes are 100% nonsense ...

After the "incidents" and scandals with our planes flying into the Turkish territory of the Su-24, if it ended up over the territory of Turkey, then somewhere on the edge, as evidenced from both sides (ours and the Turkish) that it was shot down over the Syrian Turkish border ...

Most likely, he could partially "hook" part of the tourist territory, BUT (!!!) they shot at him simultaneously with the shout "Halt, who is coming", immediately firing the entire clip at close range ... That is, he was not allowed to leave .. Calculate how much the Su-24 can fly in 5 minutes ... I can't believe that he was on the rampage, that the pilots were kamikaze ...

[kit-kat]

And what were the doubts that it’s not garbage? This is just an attempt to keep a good face in a bad game. Somehow to make excuses.
And ours felt calm, because they were sure that they were flying within the borders of Syria. I think so.
Sorry for the pilot. I don’t know what to say in such cases. Let him sleep calmly.

[andranick]

At a speed of 900 km / h the plane flies 0.25 km. According to Turkish data, the flight path is: http://politlife.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/CUkdnCuW4AAxX9L.png.
The width of the appendix through which (according to Turkish data) our plane flew is 3 ... 3.5 km. Those. If the plane was in the airspace of Turkey, then 12-14 seconds.
HOW TURKS COULD FOR 5 MINUTES WARNED ???? 10 TIMES!!!???

[godun]

Most likely the warning system worked, but ours were not ready for the Turks to shoot to kill. The fire to defeat is opened in the event of an obvious or expected threat, there was neither one nor the other in this situation, ours knew it and Turks knew it, so ours did not expect such a development of events. The Turks were not our enemies, but they were not friends either, they simply used relations with Russia with the maximum benefit for themselves, I did not observe a single friendly step on their part, as soon as they stepped on the corn, they immediately waited for a tough reaction from their At the same time, Turkey knows that Russia will not be able to do anything serious in this situation.

[kit-kat]

Yes, most likely it was.

[olegator]

boys need to be pulled. urgently. primarily. by hook or by crook. the rest later.

[dchegrinec]

If it is precisely established that this was the territory of Syria, then the Turks will have a hard time ... and the NATO countries will not help. Erdogan himself will then be driven through the forests.

[veksha50]

Quote: dchegrinec

If it is established that this was the territory of Syria, then the Turks will have a hard time..and NATO countries will not help.

So I sit and wonder what Putin will come up with to make Turkey "hard" ...

Unfortunately, nothing smart and serious, capital comes to mind ... And you can’t keep silent, and answer adequately - this means declaring war on NATO ... And we are ready for it, even purely from an economic point of view, not only from a military point of view ...

So, as it seems to me, we don’t have particularly cool leverage over Turkey now ... I repeat - unfortunately ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: veksha50

So I sit and wonder what Putin will come up with to make Turkey "hard" ...

He declares that he flew into Turkish territory and is quietly hushed.

[X Y Z]

These Turkish guys recognize nothing but muscle. Negotiating with them or trying to explain something is useless. Only by getting heavily in the face they finally begin to think. The funny thing is that they are never afraid to arrange provocations and put forward strict demands, in contrast to our policy, to smooth over everything and try to come to an agreement. For them, this is a weakness, which we cannot understand in any way. To begin with - a complete ban on travel by tourists and the supply of S-300 to Cyprus. Breaking the border with Turkish aircraft is a common thing and there will be plenty of goals.

[lexx2038]

Well, who else wants to rest in Turkey? Sponsor these "Allahakbar"? Of course, this cannot be left unpunished - that's just what to do?

[kepmor]

In order to avoid it, we, the Russians, OURSELVES "without instructions from above" just need to declare our PERSONAL economic sanctions for "these janissaries":
- do not buy anything "Janissary";
- Do not go to them on vacation.
Stop muttering to our rulers about cooperation with them! Erdogan is the same "terry Islamist" as the rabble from ISIS! All the masks are torn off!
For PREVENTION, close the air and ferry service with these little ones, otherwise hundreds of "Janissary" trucks daily travel around the South of Russia with their tomatoes!
That's it! They are ENEMIES for us!

[yegor_k]

Well, where are our escort fighters?

[Nzn]

What an interesting coincidence: Crimea was de-energized, the plane was shot down. Then what will happen?

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: NzN

Then what will happen?

The posts in the Kherson region will be repaired, they will buy even more DES. The Janissaries will forgive everything. Bombers on a mission will fly under the guise of fighters. Tourists will, as before, warm their bellies on the coast of Antalya or Alanya. A gas pipeline is being built and so on ...

[vel1163]

Such a development of the situation should have been calculated. We will wait.

[T-90 Plus]

I agree with you, colleague, 100%. We need a tough response in such a situation. But for such a response, steel eggs are needed, and the testicles of the "galley slave" are in the steel gloves of the "partners". Kursk in 2000 already showed everything. To my great regret.

[cergey51046]

It’s not enemies - enemies. We have no friends. Wat because of such misconceptions and shot down.

[cergey51046]

It’s not enemies - enemies. We have no friends. Wat because of such misconceptions and shot down.

[KUOLEMA]

what kind of enemies are they if our top holds their pennies

[Engineer]

Now the main thing for the Turkmens is to rescue our pilot and find the second one quickly. I think the IG will give a lot for their head. Hurry up. Up to the work of special forces. And after this, one should at least break off diplomatic relations with Turkey.

[AlexTires]

Media: One of the pilots of the downed Russian Su-24 died
http://lifenews.ru/news/171501

[Gandelman]

I hope Putin will not mumble about the protest note hearing. Let's look at the reaction. Either really steel eggs or it got wet like with Kursk

[oleggun]

What would you do? For the Turks NATO. War with NATO is a war with many states.

[just exp]

I understand that too. but there are a couple of BUT, the first BUT, the Turks will begin to kill our tourists and launch cruise missile strikes at our bases - what will we do? beat back? So this is a war with NATO, and a war with NATO is a war with many states.
second BUT, if we don’t hit the Turks, then can this make it clear to the smoked man that if he destroys our base, then we will not answer him either. because if the Turks weren’t given an answer, then we wouldn’t give amers anymore.

[Pulya]

If there is a strain ... you need to beat first !!!

[Belousov]

This same Nata will scatter under the beds and on the baseboards when the real batch begins. Amerikosy will not climb too much, because the risk of raking directly in the hare is too high, and they prefer to do everything with the wrong hands. And who will climb? Angles? These are engaged in a ten-day submarine search. Germans or French? These still remember what Russian boots taste like. Gadgets on your inflatable tank? Or the valiant APU? In addition to the Young Front soldiers, no one is eager to fight with us, and even without the support of their pants from America and others, they can only fight for the surrender and the Russian military parade in Warsaw or Bucharest.
It should still be understood that NATO is an extremely heterogeneous entity. Moreover, Article 5 implies that each country will help "to the extent that it considers possible". This means that the conditional Spaniards and Portuguese will be able to get off with supplies of bandages and brilliant green.

[Belousov]

This same Nata will scatter under the beds and on the baseboards when the real batch begins. Amerikosy will not climb too much, because the risk of raking directly in the hare is too high, and they prefer to do everything with the wrong hands. And who will climb? Angles? These are engaged in a ten-day submarine search. Germans or French? These still remember what Russian boots taste like. Gadgets on your inflatable tank? Or the valiant APU? In addition to the Young Front soldiers, no one is eager to fight with us, and even without the support of their pants from America and others, they can only fight for the surrender and the Russian military parade in Warsaw or Bucharest.
It should still be understood that NATO is an extremely heterogeneous entity. Moreover, Article 5 implies that each country will help "to the extent that it considers possible". This means that the conditional Spaniards and Portuguese will be able to get off with supplies of bandages and brilliant green.

[Pulya]

And that you have narrowed the point ???
Spit who is behind them there !!!
Do not tell me their number, but indicate where this herd is

[Grandfather Eugene]

And what do you comment on them on the Military Review? Sit on Obama’s clowning look, change your mind. I'm a hero here too ... couch hehe

[Ulum]

Oh well, and NATO rushed to die for a chock. There will be nothing but a squeal. Yes, but the ruler of our spirit is not enough. Miller's gas millions are more expensive than the lives of Russian guys

[Vadim237]

Our Foreign Ministry will express a sharp note of protest to cancel all contacts with Ankara and impose a tourist and food embargo, this will end.

[Oprychnik]

The real answer is two -1. Prohibit air travel to and from Turkey. 2. How are our relations with the Kurds? Need to improve!

[Dad Uassia]

Quote: Oprychnik

The real answer is two -1. Prohibit air travel to and from Turkey. 2. How are our relations with the Kurds? Need to improve!

Duck Kurds are already supported by the United States. Otherwise, why are they still alive.

[Prisoner]

But the Turks ran into it. In vain they are so.

[tuareg56]

Not a single tourist should be in Turkey. Full blockade. Erdogan is a terrorist and an enemy.

[T-90 Plus]

Erdogan is not the case. Turkey has never been a partner or ally of Russia. How many years we fought with them! Turkey is a huckster who supplies relatively inexpensive vegetables of relative quality to Russia (strange, for some reason, Russia doesn't have its own). When half a year ago everyone at VO got excited about the "Turkish Stream", when they shouted "hurray and threw their caps into the air" - bite Ukraine, I picked up so many drawbacks when I tried to convey to the urapatriots warnings that joy was premature, that Tourland still kaku put. No, they shouted, VVP has appointed Turkey as its favorite partners in the region, let it come from NATO - we are waiting for us in the CSTO and the SCO! Hooray! And now the bitterness of disappointment - how can that be ?! And how the rhetoric changed at once - the war! carpet bombing! shoot down everyone! food embargo! Eh, you have to think, think.

[Dad Uassia]

Quote: tuareg56

Not a single tourist should be in Turkey. Full blockade. Erdogan is a terrorist and an enemy.

It’s more logical to call Black Macaque a terrorist.

[region46]

I wonder where were our SU-30s at that time? campaign drove them just to demonstrate.
our Air Force behaved too impudently, believed in impunity. now dipped all of us in shit about. Now we listen to what our partners say and streamline
and there will be only one reaction to this - on-duty concern.

[Қarabas]

I also think where the Su-30s were at that time ++

[Mama_Cholli]

And what did IS have until this day had fighters?

[0255]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

And what did IS have until this day had fighters?

But the Su-30s were sent to Syria with air-to-air missiles. Not just the same ...

[complete zero]

Quote: 0255

Quote: Mama_Cholli

And what did IS have until this day had fighters?

But the Su-30s were sent to Syria with air-to-air missiles. Not just the same ...

and what does it change, the fact that the Su 30 were sent there with missiles? -How many Su-30s are there and how much aviation the Turks and not only the French have do not drop (this is the same NATO country) and God forbid "exchange of pleasantries" with with the Turks, the French are very likely to interfere and certainly not on our side ... and at sea Russia is inferior to Turkey (in that region) so the P-27,77,73 missiles will not change anything (alas)

[77_78]

It seems that last week there was information that the group could not cope with the number of goals and there was no way to increase it, so we switched to the option of flying single and unaccompanied. I could be wrong, but it seems infa was here and the author was worried about such actions

[Volyn]

The Janissaries, apparently for a long time with bloody snot, did not vomit, hell.

[GYGOLA]

I think a sudden powerful tsunami directed in the Black Sea, after the departure of our tourists, can help the situation ...

[kirpich]

Turkey, do you have a little problem? God forbid our pilots will die ....

[Turbo rabbit]

Already died. Second captured

[RADIK]

Turkey was given the go-ahead for this provocation. Another "Saakashvili". I wonder where the special brigade to rescue the pilots is?

[Wise Kaa]

Well, obviously they will not act on the live broadcast of the news24 ..

[DEfindER]

Quote: RADIK

I wonder where the special teams for saving pilots?

Already sent 2 Mi-8, one bearded already shot down, there are dead among Marines

[Shirts]

The co-pilot seems to have been saved. https://russian.rt.com/article/132530

[wolfkill]

For the airbase of their Tu-160 and Tu-95 and for the border guards on the border with Syria

[nrex]

The Turks have once again proven that they are the dogs of the Anglo-Saxons in the Black Sea region and are always, at the sound of an imperceptible whistle, ready to provoke Russia into a conflict.

[SHPRIZ77]

We are primarily concerned about the fate of our pilots and the speed of action to rescue them. It’s stupid to wave your fists in the heat of the moment, and the President, at the head of the bloc of security forces, showed the adequacy of his decisions. With all this, it wouldn’t hurt to shower the Turks and their ilk with bullies. Well, as for the war, well, everything has been heading towards this for a long time, but the Russians and Russia cannot be offended . NOWHERE and NEVER!

[oldav]

Unfortunately everything...

[Achilles]

Everyone had to be prepared for the loss of aircraft and, sadly, the LS, they were great for completing so many aircraft hours impeccably.
A provocation is not a provocation, and if Vova does not react decisively now, then it will only get worse.

[iouris]

10 warnings! All clear. Attempted murder.

[aviator1913]

The place near Latakia is shitty, the border with Turkey is really very close there, so it’s very likely that the bomber flew a little into Turkey. And if so, then there are still few trump cards left, well, only if you shoot down Turkish fighters that have crossed the border of Syria.

[iouris]

Since such a place, it is very possible that the Turks violated the border of Syria.
There were no Su-30SM pairs in the air, that’s why they crashed.

[nrex]

It smelled like something fried!!!!

[Manul]

Pure provocation. And the video was shot. In the video you can hear the shutter sounds of a professional camera - a series of pictures are being taken. Everything is prepared. If only everything was fine with the pilots.

[Arkan]

The Turks are crazy!!!! This incident cannot be left without consequences. The asymmetry of the answer must lie in the financial plane. What kind of gas pipeline, what kind of nuclear power plant is there, let them use dung to heat their homes and generate energy for their industry, and we should think about the resorts according to the Egyptian version. In general, make sure that every Turk understands how expensive the health of Russian pilots and the Su 24 aircraft are.

[Achilles]

You tell Miller, what does he care about someone’s planes? He’s a national treasure, it needs to be sold

[oldav]

Miler pays for Echo of Moscow where everyone squeals with joy.

[Arkan]

In a state-owned company, it is not Miller who decides where and to whom to sell. Don't be naive.

[V.ic]

The fact that this is a provocation is clear. Satanists are very fond of bringing down planes, both civilian and military, but the Turks will not get away with this. The plan to reduce the number of pourers will be doubled and tripled, but lovers of free alcohol and warm winters will need to be returned to the Russian Federation before they are taken hostage. Recommend (strictly) travel agencies to remove Turkey from their catalogues.

[Tiheros]

What the hell are the recommendations, definitely PROHIBITED. Flight to Turkey only with the permission of the official Russian authorities.

[Velizariy]

Everything will be normal and quiet... A protest, a decisive one, maybe even a note and that's all... Will the people be indignant? He will be indignant! And rightly so, he will be indignant! What do the authorities care about the people? In their understanding, it is only a renewable resource. Serdyukov put up with Vasilyeva and will bear it with some pain. There are monetary interests here, but in whose hands are all the cash flows?

[Kibl]

In the 17-18 centuries, Turks were all kinds of trash who lived on the territory of modern Turkey, i.e. the very scum. But the warriors and nobles called themselves Janissaries, but now there are really only Turks left there! They need to be killed, tourism in their direction must be frozen!!!!

[Mama_Cholli]

By the way, it’s useful to read who the Janissaries really were. Among them were Slavs, captured in childhood and raised under the banner of Islam, and representatives of other nations.

[jindol47]

To smash to smithereens all the oil transportation routes, pumping stations, and towers that are not Assad’s. Engage the Su-30 to the fullest extent. Yes, the General Staff knows perfectly well what to do. But what about our electronic defense, where are the electronic warfare equipment?

[aviator1913]

Only beautiful women show off, apparently... The bubble burst

[evgmiz]

Another part of ISIS entered the fight against Russian aviation. Türkiye actually declared war on us.

[vell.65]

It will be necessary to subsequently listen to more specific information and only then discuss what happened.

[cergey51046]

Now you need to shoot down all Turkish planes.

[scrap123]

if this time we swallow a downed plane, then it’s certain that all hands will be untied, I think the plane was a test for reaction ...

[3vs]

It looks like the evacuation of our tourists from Turkey will begin soon...

[molotov cocktail]

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[Black]

Long live Great Kurdistan!!!!!
That's the slogan. And under it, to arm the fighters for the VC with everything they need. Anatolia, I think, should also go to Kurdistan. ...and Antalya.

[Bronik]

Ours did not fire at air targets, even in defense. The Turks will have to answer for such a “gambit.”

[Glaz8000]

Erdogan has gone crazy. He cannot help but understand that he entered into a direct conflict with the Russian Federation. Moreover, he demonstrated that the launches of Russian missiles did not impress him at all. That is, Turkey, under his leadership, got involved in a confrontation with the strongest power in the hemisphere, and moreover, with one of its most important economic partners. It seems to me that he committed political suicide today (unless of course he plans to become the new Turkish dictator/caliph). Of course, I don’t have the necessary information, but it still seems to me that first we need to respond with economic and political measures. Tourism, a ban on the import of all Turkish products, support for the Kurds and Yazidis. At the same time, the General Staff was developing a plan for a quick strike in the style of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. I sincerely hope that the Russian leadership has the will to find a powerful, worthy answer.

[complete zero]

Quote: Glaz8000

Erdogan has gone crazy. He cannot help but understand that he entered into a direct conflict with the Russian Federation. Moreover, he demonstrated that the launches of Russian missiles did not impress him at all. That is, Turkey, under his leadership, got involved in a confrontation with the strongest power in the hemisphere, and moreover, with one of its most important economic partners. It seems to me that he committed political suicide today (unless of course he plans to become the new Turkish dictator/caliph). Of course, I don’t have the necessary information, but it still seems to me that first we need to respond with economic and political measures. Tourism, a ban on the import of all Turkish products, support for the Kurds and Yazidis. At the same time, the General Staff was developing a plan for a quick strike in the style of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. I sincerely hope that the Russian leadership has the will to find a powerful, worthy answer.

today Russia is weaker than Turkey in this region in quantity, certainly, and God did not offend the Turks with the quality of weapons (after all, a NATO country), and the Turkish army and air force itself are perhaps one of the best in the region

[hartlend]

Quote: Wiruz

There will be nothing, a schukher too.

Turkey will not be? The dream of Nicholas II will come true: will the Russian Flag rise above the Bosphorus and Dardanella (he seems to have correctly written) ... I don’t think so.

In Russian, the word Dardanelles is in the plural, so it will be above Dardanelles.

[Prisoner]

In vain, oh in vain. Take care of the fez t-v-ari. Uncle Vova doesn’t get hysterical or squeal, but he remembers everything and will make you answer for everything.

[iouris]

It looks like Erdogan knows something. In Dagestan, truckers across the country are demonstrating that 800 trucks are ready to march on Moscow. Crimea is without power. And who organized all this?

[sabakina]

Quote: iouris

It looks like Erdogan knows something. In Dagestan, in readiness for a march on Moscow, it costs 800 trucks

From this place in more detail please ...

[Observer]

In September I was on vacation in Turkey.. I didn’t like their faces anymore..

[iouris]

To verify this again, you need to go in January.

[Eltempo23rus]

Measures that need to be taken: deploy in the territory with 300, shoot down any Turkish plane that flies or opens fire on the territory of Syria. Bomb, shell any Turkish troops crossing the border with Syria, create a no-fly zone over Syrian territory. Actions our government will take: We express our concern.

[Brigadier]

But Turkey also has planes... And they, too, can “fly” into the coverage area of ​​our air defense in Syria... There is such a thing as “tit for tat”...

[Tu-214R]

There is such a thing as “tit for tat”...

In this case, thousands of all-inclusive lovers will become hostages. Even a theoretical tough answer cannot be made quickly.

[Dali]

Quote: Tu-214P

In this case, thousands of all-inclusive lovers will become hostages. Even a theoretical tough answer cannot be made quickly.

No need to rush...

1) To begin with, there is a travel ban in Turkey and... in a month maximum, the majority of all fans of "olinclusive" and "neocenol" in Turkey will find themselves at home...

2) Warn the rest or we will help you return home quickly or “it’s your own fault” ...

3) Turkish businesses (all in place with their clothes and tomatoes and Turkish builders...) send them home...

shl
As a result, we choose a convenient moment and “we warned you 10 times” about this Turkish F16 pair...

Or there is another option - if they don’t want to first (at least hint), then they hand over the executing warriors and these warriors are tried (in full) as war criminals, covering this trial wherever it is possible to publish in the West and well, the Internet rules...

[Dali]

Quote: Tu-214P

In this case, thousands of all-inclusive lovers will become hostages. Even a theoretical tough answer cannot be made quickly.

No need to rush...

1) To begin with, there is a travel ban in Turkey and... in a month maximum, the majority of all fans of "olinclusive" and "neocenol" in Turkey will find themselves at home...

2) Warn the rest or we will help you return home quickly or “it’s your own fault” ...

3) Turkish businesses (all in place with their clothes and tomatoes and Turkish builders...) send them home...

shl
As a result, we choose a convenient moment and “we warned you 10 times” about this Turkish F16 pair...

Or there is another option - if they don’t want to first (at least hint), then they hand over the executing warriors and these warriors are tried (in full) as war criminals, covering this trial wherever it is possible to publish in the West and well, the Internet rules...

[Prisoner]

Then you need to turn everything off. Just like in Egypt.

[Tu-214R]

Holy crap, why are 2 messages being added?!

[Mama_Cholli]

Because everything is included...

[Russiamoy]

There is. and they violated airspace more than once and flew into Syria. and nothing

[LEVIAFAN]

you need to calm down and wait for the official answer. my opinion is the severance of diplomatic relations and a ban on tourists visiting Turkey. Well, help to Kurdistan.

[Dan Slav]

Oil for 20 bucks, and here they fly and interfere.
The struggle for peace is intensifying.
The Dardanelles problem is facing Russia again! This is how it is every century!
There's no point.

[Aslan88]

They say it's one of the pilots. But there is no proof yet. We must wait to see what the Russian Defense Ministry says. There is also a video.

[iouris]

It is a sin to publish such photos. I'll tell you what.

[corporal]

Quote: iouris

It’s a sin to publish such photos.

Enough for you. We're not on the fence.

[fa2998]

Quote: Prapor-527

Means of objective control prove that the plane was shot down over the territory of Syria, and did not fly into Turkey. Min.Defenses of the Russian Federation.

Here they are, Turkish “allies” - for 10 years, according to Erdogan, they have been fighting terrorists. After all, they know why our planes are there - they are fighting in a neighboring country for the benefit of humanity - and such a dirty trick. Turkey has one goal here - to pacify the Kurds, and on the quiet, smuggled oil buy. Ours probably stepped on someone’s sore spot.

[denchik1977]

Recep Erdogan has crossed the line of what is permitted... Apparently the Turks have a very short historical memory: they, like the Germans, constantly forget that they should not start a war with Russia... Apparently Erdogan imagined himself to be the greatest Sultan in the history of Turkey and decided that everything was all right for him allowed. However, he completely forgot one small nuance: having shot down a Russian plane simply begs for an “answer”: if he decided to declare war on Russia, then he will not have to count on NATO’s help, firstly, because the example of France, which after the terrorist attack in In Paris, NATO refused to help the Turks and will not stand up for the Turks either; secondly, Germany would be very happy for Russia to teach Turkey a lesson about the number of refugees that passed through its territory to Europe; thirdly, if Erdogan is counting on help with on the US side, then he is very mistaken, since Barack Obama is not to declare war on Russia, which will lead to World War III....

What should Russia do in this situation: firstly, ban Russians from vacationing in Turkish resorts, secondly, break all contracts in the trade and construction sectors, and thirdly, simply punish Turkey as an accomplice of global terrorism, which is not so far off from the truth.... In addition, by thoroughly punishing Turkey, Russia will actually warn Saudi Arabia and Qatar about possible consequences, will really strengthen its position in the Black and Mediterranean Seas, and finally, the most important thing, Vladimir Putin now has a great chance to make it a reality the dreams of all Russian emperors, starting with Catherine the Great, establishing complete control over the Black Sea straits of the Bosporus and Dardanelles...

[mig29mks]

The Turks have a prediction in which they will not exist after the war with Russia! And they say that many of them strongly believe in it! And the GDP is preparing to make a statement, but what will it say? Will wait!

[Ka-52]

Damn, I’m reading the history of the Russian-Turkish wars and I’m sick of it..
The “World Geopolitical situation” in relation to Russia is like in the Crimean War (1853-1856), “Local in that region” is reminiscent of the Russian-Turkish War (1877-1878), only instead of the Balkans and Eastern Europe we must put the Middle East. I really hope that everything will go according to the second option, and not the first.

[Russiamoy]

your words yes B... in my ears

[molotov cocktail]

...Turkish jets of hot development, border violations that have reduced the fighter. S24-type aircraft claimed Russian aircraft... aircraft that violated Turkish airspace and crashed warning stated that within the rules of engagement for the mind.

[Scraptor]

Move north of the highway in the business picture? Even if it was “Turkish” for a specialist to guard planes in such places, it would be looking for problems for oneself. It may lead to a change in the state border line, as was the case with Finland. This is how only the yard punks and gopniks survive, who are punished for this.

In any case, a Russian Aerospace Forces plane was hit over Syria and, on the contrary, the Turks flew into Syrian airspace. Without approval or command from the command post, he could not open fire in such a situation...

[Қarabas]

I don’t understand, where was the Su-30 at that time? Are they there to protect the Su-24/34 from something like this??

[Manager]

On the first channel.

[Hel]

Don’t allow ISIS oil columns to come even close to the borders of Turkey (which apparently was the reason for the destruction of our plane), and the Turkish equipment and military personnel that “accidentally” ended up on Syrian territory should be punished “for violating the border.” As well as those who “fly in” to the Armenians.

[Mama_Cholli]

I hope these questions are not rhetorical...

[engineer74]

Vanga was right: “Until Syria falls...” In the event of a conflict with Turkey, we will not hold Syria, accordingly it will “fall”, then the “world crisis” and further on all counts! I never believed the prophets, but this is beyond the scope.
The main thing now is to get the pilots out, and then we can discuss the scenarios of World War III, it looks like everything is heading towards this, slowly but surely!

[heruv1me]

The boat sank, the plane crashed.

[Neva_baz]

Yes, the whole history shows that the Turks have never been friends of Russia. All her life Russia fought with the Turks. That's why I never believed in the South Stream. The Turks will betray you as always and stick a knife in your back. They have such a mean spirit.

[alex80]

Quote: Altona

And why did the bomber fly without fighter cover?

In light of recent events, the presence of Kuzi with Su-33 and Mig-29K near the coast of Syria
no longer seems as useless as it was said earlier. Because 4 Su-30SM is now clearly not enough,
it is necessary to increase the number of cover aircraft in order to tightly close the Turkish border, and maybe they themselves
some “violator from there” was grounded once or twice

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Monos

No, comrades. I'm afraid this is WAR. Janissaries tangled the coast. Today it’s impossible to forgive!

Collect warrior armor and run to the front row to the military registration and enlistment office!

[Pasha]

Why did he fly into the interior of the country? why shoot down? I agree to drive away. This means a provocation. Provocation with the deceased is war. So we’ll see who rules us and what actions they will take. And nah... be silent.

[Dragon-y]

For some reason I think that the conclusion will be unexpected for all of us...

[lecturer]

In those distant (90s) years, I was in Turkey at a marine facility ("Srednizemka")...I was on the shore several times ("Russian market")...And, WHAT struck me (!) when one Turk said : “here in Turkey, if you were deceived today, don’t be offended tomorrow, “the market is the market”(!), and also: “if your neighbor turns you in to the police for moonshine, then HE is a “hero of the street.” ..etc. and so on. So I’m thinking, are we going to build our own gas pipeline for this “neighbor”?...

[Eastern wind]

To every Kurd "Kalash", "Strela" and "RPG-7"! For free!

[Manager]

The story of ISIS began the same way.

[Laksamana besar]

Let's wait for what the president says; today he should make a statement about the death of the Su-24.
Pushkov said today that it is too early to draw conclusions, but what is reliably known is that the plane was in Syrian airspace above its territory.

[Andrey77]

Not yet known. We are waiting for the speech of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. If there is no note of protest, then...

[Prisoner]

Perhaps it’s time for our fighters to shake the dust off their suitcases.

[Россия 24]

If it is confirmed that ours did not violate the border and the Turks shot it down, close all tour flights to Turkey, import port, and impose sanctions. Close airspace to all Turkish aircraft. And shoot down Turkish fighters over Syria for violating the border.