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Turkish Armed Forces General: Russian aircraft shot down "after 10 warnings about a violation of Turkish airspace"

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Turkish edition Hurriyet Daily News reports that the Russian Su-24 bomber was shot down by F-16 interceptor fighters of the Turkish Air Force. Moreover, the Ministry of Defense of this country claims that the plane allegedly violated Turkish airspace, received warnings from the Turkish side several times, but “did not take proper measures”. Allegedly, only after repeated warnings from the pilots of the Turkish Air Force "had to" open fire to kill.


Hurriyet Daily News reports that the Russian crew managed to eject, and one of the pilots is in the hands of "local Turkmen tribes." The fate of the second pilot, the Turkish media have not yet reported.

Information Agency Reuters publishes material that the crew of the Russian bomber, who allegedly violated Turkish airspace, was warned at least 10 times. Reuters writes about this, referring to the statements of the Turkish General Staff, from which in such a situation it is difficult to expect any other clarification.

The Russian Ministry of Defense confirms information about the plane crash, while claiming that the aircraft of the Turkish airspace did not violate and was over Syria.

A video has already appeared on the Internet, the authors of which claim that it shows the moment of the capture of the Russian pilot by Turkmen tribes. After some time, the video from YouTube was deleted by the user.

Turkish Armed Forces General: Russian aircraft shot down "after 10 warnings about a violation of Turkish airspace"


CNN's Turkish office claims that one of the Russian pilots was killed.

If the Russian plane was shot down in the airspace of Syria, then Turkey’s actions at the suggestion of "NATO friends" and "partners" from certain countries of the Arabian Peninsula are difficult to call Russia a declaration of war.
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  1. Aslan88
    Aslan88 24 November 2015 13: 09 New
    -11
    One pilot captured by the Turkman. So said from the RBC Channel.
    1. Enot_33
      Enot_33 24 November 2015 13: 14 New
      206
      Ambassador to the carpet. Evacuation of tourists. Further on the situation.
      1. kit-kat
        kit-kat 24 November 2015 13: 17 New
        -328
        What for to evacuate them. They are traitors.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 24 November 2015 13: 23 New
          83
          Quote: kit-kat
          What for to evacuate them. They are traitors.

          Head in the morning is not it?
          1. kit-kat
            kit-kat 24 November 2015 13: 26 New
            -28
            Is it a betrayal to drive to enemies and carry money to them?
            1. Airdefence_107
              Airdefence_107 24 November 2015 13: 31 New
              29
              Until today, the Turks were not counted as enemies.
              1. Disant
                Disant 24 November 2015 14: 02 New
                49
                How would anyone have them? In the USSR Armed Forces and the RF Armed Forces - have always been the main enemy in the south. member of NATO.
                the fact that someone on the Turkish sand overheated does not mean anything
                1. just exp
                  just exp 24 November 2015 14: 07 New
                  94
                  the Turks wanted a war
                  ours flew along the way, or rather touched the border with Turkey, but it was a 3 km span, that is, there are no 10 warnings, we stupidly waited until it touched and shmalnuli, that is, they were preparing, making an ambush.
                  1. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 24 November 2015 14: 17 New
                    32
                    Quote: just EXPL
                    the Turks wanted a war

                    There is no doubt. This is a provocation.
                    I think our Armed Forces are already on alert.
                    Our forces in Latakia are not enough to withstand the Turkish Air Force.

                    But Turkey is shooting through today from three directions. MOSCOW missile cruiser and other ships in the Mediterranean. Black Sea and the Caspian.
                    1. just exp
                      just exp 24 November 2015 14: 27 New
                      27
                      Turkey shoots the main thing that is from near space, it is from there that the RCM ICBMs will fall on it if it loses its scent. and she already lost him.
                      1. Madbir
                        Madbir 24 November 2015 18: 20 New
                        +7
                        so ready to start the third world light? Then there will be no one to rejoice in victory, except for cockroaches ...
                      2. Mih
                        Mih 24 November 2015 23: 28 New
                        +3
                        And live like cockroaches? Better to die standing than to live on your knees !!! soldier
                      3. Dilshat
                        Dilshat 25 November 2015 00: 13 New
                        23
                        Why, then, immediately the third world? First, our largest tour operators are strongly recommended to curtail their business in Turkey. Duty on Turkish goods. Governors give the command: Turkish construction business give goodbye. With the southern stream more difficult but not fatal. Most important: Turkey supports the terrorists, we we support the Kurds, we support them so firmly. You should not be shy, masks have been dropped. What are the Kurds in need of? Trained officers, militia trained by the methods of sabotage war? MANPADS? Please! By what principle does he live Turkey and the West? The enemy of my enemy is friend. So why are we worse?
                  2. August
                    August 24 November 2015 14: 27 New
                    -10
                    Turkey has enough anti-shipable missiles, so that even without the help of other NATO countries, the entire Black Sea Fleet will sink to the sea right at the Sevastopol raid. Therefore, they will NOTHING. Another "Turkish stream" as a buridan donkey beckon hay. So it will cost an apology. The maximum number of tourists will be cut off, and then they will have to say goodbye to dreams of an alternative to the Ukrainian gas supply to Europe. “Remember this tweet” (c)
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                    2. TURAR
                      TURAR 24 November 2015 14: 50 New
                      52
                      But it’s not easier to close the airspace over the Series for everyone outside the UN mandate i.e. for USA and Co + Turkey.
                    3. _Vladislav_
                      _Vladislav_ 24 November 2015 14: 54 New
                      29
                      Quote: TURAR
                      But it’s not easier to close the airspace over the Series for everyone outside the UN mandate i.e. for USA and Co + Turkey.

                      Absolutely right. It is not only possible to make a no-fly zone, but also completely within the framework of the legal field, by decision of the official Damascus.
                      Russian VKS (Air Defense) will provide a no-fly zone
                    4. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 14: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: _Vladislav_
                      Absolutely right. It is not only possible to make a no-fly zone, but also completely within the framework of the legal field, by decision of the official Damascus.
                      Russian VKS (Air Defense) will provide a no-fly zone

                      Of course, it is possible and probably necessary ... but our bomber was shot down from the ground. And what he did there unaccompanied is also not clear.
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                    6. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 24 November 2015 15: 47 New
                      +7
                      not the fact that from the earth. And if so, why do the Turks scream about the Air Force, and the Yankees immediately support them? provocation....
                      another thing is interesting: are there any incidents of violation by the Turks of the state border of Syria after the beginning of our operation there?
                    7. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 15: 56 New
                      31
                      Quote: silver_roman
                      not the fact that from the earth.

                      Our Ministry of Defense speaks about this. The situation is bad anyway. It’s not Chechnya, where you could conceal something and not disclose it. It is full of shot-down bomber rollers, and in fact it’s a diversion intended to check the strength of the statements of the GDP and the Kremlin’s resolve. the whole world will know this, but no, I really would not want to get a war with NATO ... but in fact they are trying to force us to do what the Americans want, not with words but with actions. The question is what the Kremlin will answer. Inside and inside Russia is waiting for this answer and take away not peaceful.
                      At present, GDP is not at all a simple situation. It remains to wait.
                    8. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 24 November 2015 16: 01 New
                      17
                      “The plane was shot down by a rocket from a Turkish plane, located 1 km from the Turkish border. Our pilots did not threaten the Turkish Republic in any way. This is an obvious thing. They performed an operation to combat IS. In northern Latakia, this is the mountainous part, where militants come from Russia, pilots attacked terrorists who could return to Russia at any time, ”Putin said.
                      quote from "The View"

                      at the expense of the most difficult situation, I completely agree with you. It infuriates me that they dared to do such a thing, i.e. took a chance !!!! During the USSR, such a thought would certainly not have arisen. I remember the USSR and the British poked threats about the use of nuclear weapons! the answer should be in the Yankee style: I remember how the Germans (or French) did not obey something, immediately the civilian aircraft fell, it was about the bottom of the time with the Malaysian Boeing. So it is necessary here. The answer does not have to be official, BUT it must be such that everyone understands who did it and why, but could not prove the involvement of the Russian Federation. For example, an explosion of a chemical plant, etc.
                    9. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 16: 08 New
                      14
                      Quote: silver_roman
                      For example, an explosion of a chemical plant, etc.

                      Peaceful citizens cannot be touched otherwise than we will be better than terrorists.
                    10. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 24 November 2015 16: 14 New
                      +9
                      to scale.

                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Peaceful citizens cannot be touched otherwise than we will be better than terrorists.

                      I'm not sure what is possible, but not.
                      Nobody thinks about our civilians.
                      first aircraft in egypt. Terrorist attack !!! Does anyone think of ours? if the murder of Turkish citizens will help prevent the death of our citizens. I am ready to go for it in the CONTEXT OF THIS SITUATION !!!!!!
                      otherwise it turns out we are sitting and talking about what is possible and what isn’t, and at that time 260 people died in the terrorist attack, the su-24 died along the way with a saw. the fate of the second is unknown! that to hell !!!!!
                    11. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 16: 19 New
                      +3
                      Quote: silver_roman
                      otherwise it turns out we are sitting and talking about what is possible and what isn’t, and at that time 260 people died in the terrorist attack, the su-24 died along the way with a saw. the fate of the second is unknown! that to hell !!!!!

                      I understand your feelings and share them ... but if we start to blow up civilian factories and their planes, how will we be better than them or ISIS?
                    12. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 24 November 2015 16: 26 New
                      15
                      I would not compare any retaliatory measures of the Russian Federation with ISIS.
                      The president is obliged to protect his citizens, we see that many countries do not disdain to kill our civilians, pursuing some of their goals. We cannot officially respond by military means, as sometimes the grapples struck are not official. Therefore, we must act in the same way.
                      I understand that peaceful Turks are not to blame, but I repeat: I am ready to donate 1000 Turks for our one person. Just if it were an isolated case, and so this is already a trend !!!!! and it scares
                    13. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 16: 29 New
                      +4
                      Quote: silver_roman
                      I would not compare any retaliatory measures of the Russian Federation with ISIS.

                      I don’t compare. But to act by the methods of terrorists, blowing up factories and civilian aircraft is also not the case. In addition, Turkey is currently full of our citizens, who in case of such measures automatically become potential hostages.
                    14. Finntroll
                      Finntroll 24 November 2015 17: 56 New
                      10
                      Well, passenger planes can not be touched, but the infrastructure of this nursery of shit democracy must be patched, these scum with us have not yet settled for events in the Caucasus!
                    15. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 24 November 2015 18: 33 New
                      +3
                      Quote: FinnTroll
                      Well, passenger planes can not be touched, but the infrastructure of this nursery of shit democracy must be patched, these scum with us have not yet settled for events in the Caucasus!

                      But is it nothing that at the moment in Turkey there are darkness of our tourists with women and children who automatically become hostages of all this?
                    16. GDP
                      GDP 24 November 2015 22: 43 New
                      +4
                      Turkey earns billions of dollars in Russia, export of food, clothing, tourism ...
                      You’ll come to the market with us - a third of goods from Turkey.
                      You just need to close this country for tourists, stop buying their goods. Then another country will think 20 times before repeating the feat of the Turks ...

                      Well, in extreme cases, you can conclude an agreement with Syria on the protection of airspace and then we'll see how the Yankees fly there ...

                      They try to test us for strength anyway.

                      Although the geographical location is not in our favor. The only passage from the Black Sea is blocked by Turkey, there is no common border ... No serious opposition can be created there.
                      Of course, you can act more subtly, from within, through the Kurds ...
                    17. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 25 November 2015 10: 54 New
                      0
                      Economic measures - THIS IS CORRECT, but INSUFFICIENT.
                      It’s like they gave you in the face, and you struck a man the wheel of his car.

                      In addition, this is fucking Turkey, not even the states or, say, Japan.
                      Yes, they have large aircraft, but they consist of trash like "Oliver H. Puri" - the Yankee destroyer. All often cite their fleet as an example.
                      It goes without saying that they should not fight with them, but I would definitely put some ship from the submarine to the bottom.
                      It may be impulsive, it may be abrupt, but IT IS NECESSARY for all sorts of similar mongrels to dare to joke with us from now on.

                      And on account of the closure of airspace, the Russian Federation is the only country (except Syria itself, of course), whose air forces have the right to be present there.
                      This was a specially targeted action to destroy our aircraft. I remember when the TYPE VIETNAM was struck by a French boat, the war in Vietnam began.
                      So you can’t let that go. I believe that now it is possible to calmly shoot down the aircraft of the Turks, who only think about going to the border with Syria. The same "Moscow" is going to become in Latakia to cover our Air Force. Here is an approximate radius of 150 km. But it seems like there are missiles that hit long distances.
                2. ochakow703
                  ochakow703 26 November 2015 07: 24 New
                  0
                  What is the Caucasus? They have not yet answered for Crimea.
              2. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 24 November 2015 22: 45 New
                +6
                Our citizens must understand for a long time that a war is going on. And for this, our leadership must tell the truth to their people. If there is no war, what are the troops doing outside the state? If the war is going on, then why should we limit ourselves to the force of the blow?
                How are we going to be different from terrorists? Yes, almost everyone! We defend ourselves! And if necessary, so that some citizens die, then let them die. But in order to minimize unnecessary losses among civilians, we need the competent work of our specialists.
                Everyone has weaknesses. So you need to find them among the Turks. But first, get your citizens out of this territory. Whoever wants to, chooses his own destiny.
                Or maybe you yourself will offer an effective and humane way to get out of the situation. But don’t offer to understand and forgive. Forgiveness comes after repentance.
            2. Dilshat
              Dilshat 25 November 2015 00: 15 New
              +2
              Peaceful Turks? This question is better to ask the Armenians.
          2. purple
            purple 24 November 2015 19: 01 New
            0
            why factories and aircraft have an ingerlik base
      2. Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy 24 November 2015 23: 49 New
        0
        Well then, a fire in the ammunition depot
    2. edge
      edge 24 November 2015 16: 33 New
      0
      Quote: silver_roman
      BUT must be

      and it will be ours will get the go-ahead and will beat down or practice on the reb
    3. Lone wolf
      Lone wolf 24 November 2015 17: 17 New
      +6
      This was to be expected ... Yes, NATO’s cunning assassination, ,,,,, blew up an airbus ,,,, anonymous persons ... Putin .... will answer .... find .... punish ....! MILITARY PLAN RF ,,,, not over its territory ... and the NATO meeting urgently ran away ..! They’re just waging war ... they don’t leave the GDP of choice ... but the war is good for them ,,,, they’ve done a lot .... answer doesn’t make it easier to write off the war .. NATO also has a senior partner
    4. Finntroll
      Finntroll 24 November 2015 17: 52 New
      +6
      I agree with you completely. During the Vietnam War, our specialists gave a good rustle at an American base, and even two helicopters were embossed in the appendage. I hope the Turks will also arrange a circus with fireworks, and with such that they would have no desire on the world map (not only political but also geographical) to exist.
    5. Mih
      Mih 24 November 2015 23: 43 New
      0
      During the USSR, such a thought would certainly not have arisen.

      It is precisely very subtly noticed - even a thought would not exist. good
  2. silver_roman
    silver_roman 24 November 2015 16: 10 New
    +8
    here is where it happened roughly:
    there is a piece of 2 km with a tail. suppose our aircraft flew there at a speed of 800 km / h. = 222 m / s.
    2 km = 2000 m. Let 2500m.
    We get that the aircraft needs about 10 seconds to fly this section at this speed. I don’t think that he was there for 500 km / h.
    If I made a mistake in the calculations, correct. And then the emotions.
    BUT!!!! how could it be warned in 10 seconds 10 times ????
  3. Tatyana
    Tatyana 24 November 2015 21: 50 New
    0
    Aslan88
    One pilot captured by the Turkman.
    So, the plane was over the territory of Syria, i.e. in the airspace of Syria.
    It turns out that the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces is lying that
    "... the Russian plane was shot down" after 10 warnings on violation of Turkish airspace "
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  5. Deniska999
    Deniska999 24 November 2015 16: 56 New
    15
    I agree, it remains to wait. In the meantime, to stop all contacts with Turkey, we can do without their tasteless pomodors and smelly resorts ...
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  7. mitrich
    mitrich 24 November 2015 21: 33 New
    +4
    At a minimum, ordinary citizens need not take anything Turkish. Starting from tour tours and ending with tomatoes.
    Well, the authorities must answer seriously.
  8. 31R-US
    31R-US 24 November 2015 19: 44 New
    +5
    Turks ask the Yankees before farting
  9. Suhow
    Suhow 25 November 2015 09: 15 New
    0
    I wonder what the answer will be, the Russian Federation to this Turkish slap in the face! ??? and the spit in part of Ukraine (undermining the power transmission line), the answer should be, otherwise many Russian supporters will find the statements about the revival of the Russian Federation a chatter. other...
  10. Pancho
    Pancho 24 November 2015 17: 46 New
    +6
    Quote: NEXUS
    ..but our bomber was shot down from the ground.

    F-16 bastard shot down. I want revenge.
  11. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 November 2015 18: 34 New
    +7
    Quote: Pancho
    F-16 bastard shot down. I want revenge.

    First, all tourists must be withdrawn from Turkey, and then everything else.
  12. Jinal
    Jinal 24 November 2015 23: 12 New
    0
    I answer, they hoped that the Turks were allies in a coalition with the United States, with which Russia has agreements on cooperation, for security purposes.
  13. Ross_ulair
    Ross_ulair 24 November 2015 16: 59 New
    +9
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    Absolutely right. It is not only possible to make a no-fly zone, but also completely within the framework of the legal field, by decision of the official Damascus.
    Russian VKS (Air Defense) will provide a no-fly zone


    I agree.
    The optimal, in my opinion, decision from the Supreme should include the complete closure of the sky over Syria, where only our VKS and allies fly (Iran is the same, for example). Landing the rest without warning - mattress covers, paddles, brazen, Turks, etc. There is no need to warn - the combat zone is nevertheless warned only once - when deploying air defense.

    Expand several S-400 divisions, Iran will cover for its part with new S-300s. Patroling fighters along the border of the no-fly zone (let the mattresses on themselves feel what they were doing in Iraq a quarter century ago).
    It’s also a good idea to deliver Kurds to the Kurds - they also fight with the Isis, and the Isils at one time squeezed the planes from the Syrian army.

    Also, as an option, to bring the Iskander to Syria - so that the “partners” would quickly move balls and rollers in their heads. Or, by agreement with Iran, put them on the Iranian-Syrian border.

    Plus, the destruction of the rear bases of terrorists in Turkish territory (aviation and calibers). Plus, the bombing of transport convoys not only on Syrian territory, but even if the convoy went to the Turks - the inevitability of punishment in all its glory.

    On a global provocation, a global asymmetric response. It will not work in any other way
  14. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 24 November 2015 22: 34 New
    +3
    Quote: ROSS_Ulair
    Expand several S-400 divisions,

    Where to get them? There, “Moscow” should be enough for the eyes ... And, actually, eye for eye ... I would have knocked out both.
  15. Sandov
    Sandov 24 November 2015 17: 01 New
    +3
    Our air defense why chewing snot, who needs our complacency?
  16. Jinal
    Jinal 24 November 2015 23: 02 New
    +1
    Absolutely in the hole. This proposal was immediately given by military advisers to Shoigu and it is already being implemented.
  17. ddd1975
    ddd1975 25 November 2015 02: 25 New
    +1
    ... and what did not happen before, seduced by promises as usual? Israel asked not to install the C300, the Turks promised not to react harshly - it’s time to stop believing in this nonsense about brothers - we don’t have them. And why was the attack aircraft unceasing? It would be a cover-up not a single stupid person on F16 and would not think to attack the target. Genralov on a knife ... tav war is on and no one is allowed to relax ...
  18. Allitet
    Allitet 25 November 2015 22: 40 New
    0
    Bashibuzuki, they are in Africa Bashibuzuki! As if later did not have to cry with bloody tears. After all, terror will first come to Turkey.
  19. MT266
    MT266 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
    0
    what did the war want? bored with peace? I will manage everything diplomatically, but I need to figure out who is right and who is to blame !!!
  20. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 24 November 2015 15: 53 New
    +7
    Quote: MT266
    what did you want war? bored with life?


    And ours have already responded: “Russian gas supplies to Turkey will continue in accordance with contractual obligations,” said Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovski am

    And in the country 404 is a national holiday now, the gorilka is flowing like a river, the fat on the teeth gets stuck.
  21. voffchik7691
    voffchik7691 24 November 2015 18: 23 New
    +2
    "Russian gas supplies to Turkey will continue in accordance with contractual obligations," said Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky



    Nothing personal just business!!!
  22. Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 24 November 2015 21: 32 New
    +2
    Traders, who are now in the power structures of Russia, they are also traders in Africa, the main gain for them, and honor and national dignity are just an empty phrase, so they will drive gas, even if our "partners" bomb Moscow.
  23. zennon
    zennon 24 November 2015 16: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: MT266
    what did the war want? bored with peace? I will manage everything diplomatically, but I need to figure out who is right and who is to blame !!!

    It’s simply impossible to leave it that way! You need to teach the Tureks hard, otherwise they won’t respect us. How has this become possible? Does the Su-24M have no electronic warfare equipment?
  24. yehat
    yehat 25 November 2015 02: 05 New
    0
    most likely shot down with an infrared guidance missile
    the head is passive and does not emit, so it will not work out,
    if you do not expect an attack. And protection from it is traps that are constantly fired too.
  25. cumastra1
    cumastra1 24 November 2015 16: 34 New
    24
    War is not war, but there are more important things than peace. If we leave this crime unanswered, what will prevent them from continuing to shoot down our planes? or sink ships? The answer must be! Imagine that an Israeli pilot was shot down over Syria, or where else. I do not think that they would have long waited for a hail of rockets at their bases. NATO? But what is it? want to die for accomplices of terrorists - pozhalsta. Nobody has canceled the Strategic Rocket Forces. And it can be sorted out diplomatically even after a couple of bases are smashed with at least the same calibers.
  26. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 November 2015 17: 29 New
    +7
    Quote: cumastra1
    If we leave this crime unanswered, what will prevent them from continuing to shoot down our planes?

    The pilots were shot in the air ... this exacerbates the situation. Both pilots are dead ... I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the victims.
    Now Erdogan will not be easy to have a break.
    The bodies would be brought out so that the devils would not mock them.
  27. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 24 November 2015 17: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Pilots shot in the air ... this exacerbates the situation

    Hello! soldier
    where does infa come from?
  28. zennon
    zennon 24 November 2015 18: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: NEXUS
    Pilots shot in the air ... this exacerbates the situation

    Hello! soldier
    where does infa come from?

    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/11/2015/565477669a7947fd7216d7fa
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  30. mitrich
    mitrich 24 November 2015 21: 40 New
    +5
    I believe that it is necessary to level the whole area over which our guys were shot, to raze it to the ground, not dismantling the peaceful, non-peaceful. And not one fuel truck to Turkey.
  31. xan
    xan 24 November 2015 17: 46 New
    +8
    Quote: MT266
    what did the war want? bored with peace? I will manage everything diplomatically, but I need to figure out who is right and who is to blame !!!

    In the panties imposed, peasant? It is necessary to understand, but one thing is certain - the plane did not try to harm Turkey, and if it violated its space, then obviously by mistake. The Turks themselves violated the space of Armenia 64 times this year. Chew on snot further, ch.m.o
  32. yehat
    yehat 25 November 2015 02: 10 New
    0
    it’s not a matter of trying to do harm, but the fact that the Turks probably knew that the plane was returning from a mission without weapons and fuel.
    He could not do harm, even if he wanted to.
    Therefore, the argument for defending Turkey itself is ridiculous.
    The crash of the aircraft is a clear unfriendly step, and it was undertaken initiatively, and not as a reaction.
    Turkey, on the other hand, has a US air base. Turkish-whether the plane shot down our su-24?
    I’m convinced that from start to finish this incident was created by the USA,
    and the Turks were just extras.
  33. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 24 November 2015 22: 51 New
    +4
    We are right, and they are guilty. What is there to understand? We are at war with terrorists. They reproach them.
    We do not want war, but we are already KILLING!
  34. yehat
    yehat 25 November 2015 02: 15 New
    +1
    who are they? Turks? and did the Turks bring down the plane?
    there are at least 2 more versions - shooting down MANPADS from an ambush on top of a mountain in Syria
    and the work of American aircraft, which could definitely do this from their air base. No need to fight in the blind without understanding!
    We have already been invaded quite recently to Ukraine in the same emotional way. Now they are doing the same for Turkey.
    We really lack the work of foreign intelligence to respond normally to such incidents.
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  • opus
    opus 24 November 2015 15: 21 New
    11
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    But Turkey is shooting through today from three directions.

    1.From February 18, 1952, Turkey is a member of NATO (NATO's first expansion)
    (The military expenditures of all NATO members together account for more than 70 percent of the global total)
    2. NATO MILITARY DOCTRINE, NATO Strategic Concept, NATO Treaty Principles:
    community - The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is an association of 28 states of North America and Europe whose purpose is to implement the provisions of the North Atlantic Treaty, signed on April 4, 1949. One of the most important clauses of the treaty states that an attack on one of the NATO countries is considered, as an attack on all of NATO and in the event of a military conflict, all NATO countries intervene;






    3.Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov 2013: "Superiority only the Turkish fleet even over the combined fleet of Ukraine and Russia is 4,7 times. And if we compare our fleet with all the NATO naval forces in Europe, the superiority will be about 20 times"

    What about NK, what about submarines, what about anti-ship missiles, what about landing ships, what about drugs.
    You can find:


    4. About the fleet of some hovnyuk in the Mediterranean
    1. purple
      purple 24 November 2015 19: 06 New
      +5
      and what drenched pants already? We need to give a military response, and look at how much NATO they say so tightly, it seems to me that no one will fit in for the Turks, because the risk of getting warheads is great ... who needs these Turks
    2. opus
      opus 24 November 2015 19: 14 New
      0
      Quote: purple
      and what drenched pants already?

      purple (or "lush" to choose from)
      1.Don't be rude
      2. If you have not dried out yet (it seems your pants are not drying out) and torments enuresis, consult a doctor.
      Quote: purple
      We must give a military response

      you have purple {adj.} - "porphyric", crush has not grown yet.
      And with the wrong hands (lives) yes. You can
    3. Mih
      Mih 25 November 2015 00: 15 New
      -1
      “Crush has not yet grown” This is a very strange argument justifying the behavior of Russian ladies. And you there too? What for? You are a giant of the big ... Well, you, oh oh (anecdote) crying
  • yehat
    yehat 25 November 2015 02: 24 New
    +1
    What kind of idiots are fighting like that?
    Are you sure that the Turks shot down a plane?
    First understand, then act, no other way!
    For example, what for the Su-24 took such a risk and walked along the border itself.
    Yes, I do not believe that the pilot did not know that it was dangerous.
    I do not believe that navigation error.
    There are a lot of questions and now when they will be answered, you can already act.
    To begin with, you need to return at least one pilot and talk to him.
    In general, the return of the pilots now is the main thing.
    And also, it is worth giving to the tribunal the officer who organized the search so poorly that they lost equipment and man.
    It is worth lowering the skin from those responsible for the poor organization of intelligence in the area. Fix stupid mistakes and mistakes in work.
    Here's what you need to do now!
  • sergeant1986
    sergeant1986 24 November 2015 20: 51 New
    +1
    And you read carefully this item. It states that each member of the alliance has the right to provide such assistance to an ally as it sees fit. For example, send toilet paper.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 24 November 2015 15: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    Quote: just EXPL
    the Turks wanted a war

    There is no doubt. This is a provocation.
    I think our Armed Forces are already on alert.
    Our forces in Latakia are not enough to withstand the Turkish Air Force.

    But Turkey is shooting through today from three directions. MOSCOW missile cruiser and other ships in the Mediterranean. Black Sea and the Caspian.

    Do not smack nonsense. It hurts :) Nobody will fight. Different measures will be taken, but not military ones. Otherwise, the 3rd world. After all, Turkey is the basis of NATO in this region.
    1. edge
      edge 24 November 2015 16: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Normal ok
      the Turks wanted a war

      So the 3rd World War is already underway, the exchange of blows has passed, the Yankers always strive to pull chestnuts out of the fire with the wrong hands, and throw satellites without wincing ....
    2. yehat
      yehat 25 November 2015 02: 27 New
      0
      do not make hasty global conclusions without information
      they look stupid and dumb.
      what the media say is not only information, but also DISINFORMATION
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 24 November 2015 17: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Normal ok
    After all, Turkey is the basis of NATO in this region.

    It all depends on the will. If you fuck in Turkey out of all that is (non-nuclear), then the Americans do not poke with the Englishmen. They do not need nuclear. One hundred pounds they will not fight for Turkey.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 24 November 2015 18: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Oleg147741
    Quote: Normal ok
    After all, Turkey is the basis of NATO in this region.

    It all depends on the will. If you fuck in Turkey out of all that is (non-nuclear), then the Americans do not poke with the Englishmen. They do not need nuclear. One hundred pounds they will not fight for Turkey.

    For example, NATO will hand over the Baltic states - no question. But Turkey - no.
  • Mih
    Mih 25 November 2015 00: 24 New
    0
    “But Turkey is not.” Is it because of the straits? May be. Well, this is in the modern world, with the development of modern delivery vehicles, without couriers, it is somehow not particularly relevant and, therefore, there may be options. lol
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  • Sandov
    Sandov 24 November 2015 16: 59 New
    13
    I am saddened that the cover of bombers is not applied, even during the Second World War, fighters covered the bombers. Where are our electronic warfare, rescue and evacuation services. Anticipating the rotten nature of the Turks, it was necessary to provide all the options for action. NATO is a hostile office; mutual assistance and understanding cannot be expected from them.
    1. PATRIOT02
      PATRIOT02 24 November 2015 17: 43 New
      +4
      I completely agree! Where is the cover? Where are our MiGs?!?!?!
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 24 November 2015 22: 40 New
      0
      Quote: PATRIOT02
      Where are our MiGs?!?!?!

      There are no MiGs ... There is a Su-30.
  • segamegament
    segamegament 24 November 2015 19: 19 New
    +8
    What did the Turks do when the Phantoms brought down the Syrians? They began to support the Syrian opposition. What to do? Support the Kurds. The quasi-state of Turkey will cease to exist within its current borders. This is a fact ...
  • free
    free 24 November 2015 20: 06 New
    0
    the poplar will fly!
  • nik39reg
    nik39reg 24 November 2015 22: 31 New
    +2
    So far in shock ..... Only two questions revolve in my head: Why hasn’t a blow been struck at the Turkish air force base yet, from where did the cattle that shot down the bomber take off! Why did the bomber go unaccompanied by the SU-30SM?
  • Conductor
    Conductor 24 November 2015 14: 22 New
    24
    For a reason does not pull. Unfortunately, most upper circles will have to swallow it ...
    "she drowned ..."
    1. just exp
      just exp 24 November 2015 14: 28 New
      20
      how Kursk will not work, everyone knows that the Su-24 was shot down.
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 24 November 2015 16: 27 New
        +5
        Fell because it is heavier than air. Such should not be swallowed, the answer should be.
      2. asiat_61
        asiat_61 24 November 2015 20: 22 New
        +5
        Poroshenko pulled a lot of equipment and soldiers to Donbas, if we don’t answer the Turks by bread, then Poroshenko will count us as weaklings, and throw his junta-svor to the DPR and LPR. So an answer is needed, and the tougher the better, the Ukrainians should be scratched in the back of the head.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 November 2015 14: 28 New
      15
      Conductor.

      Then, they say 10 lard cost.

      Perhaps real travel D. Kerry with this aircraft is connected. They knew in advance what they would do.
    3. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 24 November 2015 14: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: Explorer
      "she drowned ..."

      - Time is not right! In 2001, thanks to the "reformers", the state of our aircraft was "below the plinth." And now you can take Erdogan by the bells.
      1. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 24 November 2015 14: 59 New
        14
        for which? our group is supplied through the Bosphorus through the Mediterranean Sea. think for yourself further. and if we don’t save the pilot, then our MO is worthless.
  • DMoroz
    DMoroz 24 November 2015 14: 23 New
    +4
    If infa is confirmed, then this is a specific search

    The Russian Defense Ministry said that in the territory of Syria, allegedly as a result of shelling from the ground, a Su-24 from a Russian air group was shot down. The military department emphasized that the plane was at an altitude of 6 thousand meters. The evidence that the bomber was in Syrian airspace was recorded by objective means of control.

    Read more at RBC:
    http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5654374c9a79479e227cd15d
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  • babai591
    babai591 24 November 2015 14: 24 New
    0
    Most likely.
  • perm23
    perm23 24 November 2015 14: 30 New
    +1
    Most likely it was. They were waiting for a tip in an ambush. .
  • Paganel
    Paganel 24 November 2015 15: 44 New
    +3
    The whole problem is how we will answer, but we will not answer ... ((((
    1. edge
      edge 24 November 2015 16: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Paganel
      The whole problem is how we will answer, but we will not answer ... ((((

      oh, in war as war ....
    2. Mih
      Mih 24 November 2015 23: 37 New
      +1
      If we don’t answer, it’s a shame! stop
    3. nik39reg
      nik39reg 25 November 2015 02: 26 New
      0
      LOCATION is a cold dish! (not my saying whose I do not remember). I think that those who have been assigned the planner have already sketched, have begun a detailed study. The Turks are now waiting for our answer, but it is necessary - so as not to expect, so that they are not in the place where they are waiting! I believe that it will be so!
  • edge
    edge 24 November 2015 16: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: just EXPL
    the Turks wanted a war

    the Turks don’t have a damn point, these Americans provoke a war (it didn’t work in the ruin), and then a member of the bloc -... Nata will be forced to blow up, and p.d.s.s will rub their hands in anticipation of the profits. We will punish the TURK unequivocally, but without war (there will be grief for them in Kurdistan and not only)
  • rakiuzo
    rakiuzo 24 November 2015 16: 50 New
    -23
    A chto peresekli granitsu to? Vam skol'ko raz skazat ', chto by doshlo? Vchera vashemu poslu skazali, segodnja vy snova ... Predprezhdenija nachalis 'ne togda, kogda samolet peresek granitsu, a znachitel'no ran'she, tipo "kuda letish' tut tebe ne mesto". Zhal ', chto takoe sluchilos'. Do zubov vooruzhennyj samolet ne obraschal vnimanie na preduprizhdenija. Ne povtorite svoju oshibku, ne lez'te tuda, kuda ne stoit.
    1. holod54
      holod54 24 November 2015 17: 11 New
      +4
      You know, when they crave caliber or ISKANDER with a nuclear filling, then there will be no one to state errors !!!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 November 2015 18: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: holod54
        You know, when they crave caliber or ISKANDER with a nuclear filling, then there will be no one to state errors !!!

        And if now your wife and child had a rest in Turkey, would you wail with Caliber?
      2. Mih
        Mih 24 November 2015 23: 56 New
        -1
        And if my grandmother had a plumbing fixture, then it would be grandfather.
        I would "gasp." love
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 November 2015 02: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Mih
        And if my grandmother had a plumbing fixture, then it would be grandfather.
        I would "gasp." love

        Crazed, and do not give a damn about our children and women? Dear, you are not here, but to the doctor.
  • Uncle Misha
    Uncle Misha 24 November 2015 18: 31 New
    0
    you would climb less, "dear" ...
  • xan
    xan 24 November 2015 17: 34 New
    +7
    Quote: just EXPL
    ours flew along the way, or rather touched the border with Turkey, but it was a 3 km span, that is, there are no 10 warnings, we stupidly waited until it touched and shmalnuli, that is, they were preparing, making an ambush

    During the time you make 10 warnings, you can fly half of Turkey. Yes, the plane crashed in Syrian territory. This is clearly an unfriendly move in a place where only power is respected. Apparently Turkey wants to hide behind NATO, turn it around. Ours needs to think it over with a cold head. "Only a slave takes revenge at once, only a coward never." One thing is clear - the modern government of Turkey is an enemy, the plane certainly was not going to harm Turkey. So relations with Turkey should be curtailed, beaten with the ruble, and certainly multiplied by zero the oil business of Erdogan’s son.
  • Rezistant
    Rezistant 24 November 2015 17: 41 New
    +4
    The Turks are completely crazy. The fact that 10 warnings was bullshit was clear from the start. The Turks staged a provocation.
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U 25 November 2015 03: 18 New
    0
    http://lifenews.ru/news/171620 Это сноска с Life News, здесь запись объективного видео контроля.
    Our "Dry" border of Turkey did not cross.
  • edge
    edge 25 November 2015 09: 54 New
    0
    Quote: just EXPL
    the Turks wanted a war

    ... then you need to help the Kurds gain statehood, and reunite Cyprus, return to Syria the land captured by the Turks.
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 24 November 2015 14: 25 New
    16
    Disant

    Under the USSR, they did not stand on ceremony. We walked along the shore, but did not fly inside. Were mistaken a couple of times. Once they made a good mistake, but the Turks swallowed.

    And intelligence, once a week regularly. But only in the Black Sea.

    I just know. Served.
    1. DPN
      DPN 24 November 2015 16: 08 New
      +9
      Sorry but comparing the MEMBER with the FINGER, the USSR is POWER, and RUSSIA is just a SHARD!
      True, this power was destroyed by ourselves Fools, not the United States.
      1. anip
        anip 24 November 2015 19: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: DPN
        Sorry but comparing the MEMBER with the FINGER, the USSR is POWER, and RUSSIA is just a SHARD!
        True, this power was destroyed by ourselves Fools, not the United States.

        And in the event of a mess, Russia will not have enough industrial potential. And the guarantor, from whom everything was delighted for some reason, did nothing for 16 years for the advancement of industry, on the contrary, with it the further destruction of industry continued. And we didn’t ruin ourselves, but the rulers of Russia, but whose they are Russian or not, whether they are state or not, is a question.
        1. sergeant1986
          sergeant1986 24 November 2015 20: 56 New
          +1
          ? What industrial potential was in 2000 and what is it now? Che nonsense?
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 24 November 2015 15: 39 New
    27
    One thing can be said, eye for eye.
    1) You need to start with tourism
    2) Kurds should be helped with portable anti-aircraft systems
    3) Well, of course, a couple of sabotage in turland will not hurt
    4) It would be good for the Armenians at this moment to remind the Turks about the genocide.

    And the worst thing is if the authorities of the Russian Federation get tired, but now we’ll see
    1. anip
      anip 24 November 2015 19: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Stroporez
      And the worst thing is if the authorities of the Russian Federation wear out

      It will be so. Do not start a war.
  • insafufa
    insafufa 24 November 2015 16: 21 New
    +1
    As I read that the soldiers of the Free Army have an OSA

    So MANPADS hardly got

    And the brave statements of the Turks are not a deliberate step, as when the Novorossas also knocked down the scream, they also shouted then thought better of themselves and quickly shut up, why should we commit another's sin.
    So, while the Turks squeal bravely, it may turn out that they weren’t at all, then they will later make excuses or simply stall. Rather, they thought it was a Syrian plane, but if it’s an economic response or an accident, the Pantsyr SAM will still hit one Turkish F-16 when it inadvertently tucks into the Kurds
  • edge
    edge 25 November 2015 06: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Disant
    something on the Turkish sand overheated

    it seems the notion of moderate opposition has ceased to exist for ours ... everyone will be pecked.
  • derik1970
    derik1970 24 November 2015 14: 04 New
    +7
    Yeah, and they didn’t shoot down the plane, damn them, our friends don’t spill water!
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  • The lead
    The lead 24 November 2015 14: 47 New
    +9
    Perhaps the Americans decided to block the supply routes of our VKS group in Syria, and this required provocation.
    1. edge
      edge 24 November 2015 16: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Lead
      Perhaps the Americans decided to block the supply routes of our VKS group in Syria, and this required provocation.

      Nope, look further, provoke a conflict between Russia and NATO.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 24 November 2015 23: 06 New
      +3
      But this is a very good version. To provoke and block the Bosphorus. Of course, you still won’t be able to strangle ... you can collect large convoys and guard them carefully to drive them around Europe. That means using more powerful weapons ...
  • amba balamut 77
    amba balamut 77 24 November 2015 14: 59 New
    30
    Yeah, and to train Chechen fighters, to treat, is that how? And tourists, chasing cheapness, are their problems. My mother 5 years ago gave a hint about the rest there, my father immediately said that he would not pay his money to the enemy. Why does the whole country have to pay for the stupidity and thirst of some freebies? No, you can help their compatriots, but at their expense, for these lovers of freebies, punishment with money is the best way. The one who sold for ALL INCLUDED is either a ram or a traitor. Whose value for the country is higher? You can minus, just subscribe, the corrupt connoisseurs of the Turkish coast must know in person.
    1. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 24 November 2015 20: 04 New
      +1
      It’s interesting that travel agencies will now sag: first Egypt, now Turkey, well ... not many will survive this year.
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  • tracer
    tracer 24 November 2015 15: 00 New
    +2
    Yes ? And did we defeat the Crimean Tatar Khanate through friendship?
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 24 November 2015 17: 14 New
    +5
    Quote: Airdefence_107
    Until today, the Turks were not counted as enemies.

    The Germans were not considered enemies until June 22, 1941.
  • oleksandr_ukr
    oleksandr_ukr 24 November 2015 23: 14 New
    0
    The concept has changed
  • vovan100
    vovan100 24 November 2015 13: 36 New
    154
    I partly agree with you. Going to Turkey is the same as maintaining money in a country that helps and grows an igil that is directed against us in the first place. Now the plane has also been shot down. So citizens are vacationers! You need to announce a boycott of Turkey and be one people. Our military is working, taking risks for us ... Think about it and stop thinking flatly, how can the Maidan people come to an end, this way .....
    1. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 24 November 2015 13: 52 New
      40
      Most tourists don’t get involved in politics, the main thing for them is to have de-exclusiveness, it’s warm and inexpensive, and I absolutely agree with you
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 24 November 2015 14: 05 New
        47
        Quote: RUSSIAN39
        Most tourists don’t get involved in politics, the main thing for them is to have de-exclusiveness, it’s warm and inexpensive, and I absolutely agree with you


        And here are the tourists? We are talking about the fact that the Turks stuck a knife in the back, and what should we do about it. In words, they entered the anti-IG coalition, but in reality they shoot at our pilots who bomb the IS. And this is a meanness that does not say goodbye. Now, of course, diplomatic curtsies will begin, but the essence is the essence - you need to answer for the blood. negative
        1. nika407
          nika407 24 November 2015 14: 17 New
          27
          If ours don’t react firmly, but ours don’t react, because they wait for the Turks to say that they have nothing to do with it, and that’s all Turkoman ... Diplomats are already babbling something about an exceptional case. An endless investigation will begin, they will express some formidable preoccupation or concern ... Pilots will be tortured if the Syrians are not the first to find :( The world community will rejoice secretly. The Turks are protecting their wallet, where caravans of oil are flowing. It would be right to recognize Turkey as an unfriendly country and declare unmanned zone, but this will not happen, because trade and loot are more important.
        2. edge
          edge 24 November 2015 16: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: Lelek
          The conversation is that the Turks stuck a knife in the back

          and what was to be expected from the enemy, the Turks are part of NATO, and it’s hardly worth the French to believe those still ugly nasty villains
      2. tolyasik0577
        tolyasik0577 24 November 2015 15: 32 New
        +4
        Yes, the Turks wanted to choke on our tourist boycott. Nemchura will be happy to fill their hotels without Russians. But the Turks in vain showed Putin nevermind. It seems to me that she will be with him ... you know where.
    2. goose
      goose 24 November 2015 13: 55 New
      15
      Quote: vovan100
      I partly agree with you. Going to Turkey is the same as maintaining money in a country that helps and grows an igil that is directed against us in the first place. Now the plane has also been shot down. So citizens are vacationers! You need to announce a boycott of Turkey and be one people. Our military is working, taking risks for us ... Think about it and stop thinking flatly, how can the Maidan people come to an end, this way .....

      Office plankton doesn’t
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 24 November 2015 14: 10 New
        51
        One thing is clear - before the Russian Aerospace Forces, Turkey did not interfere. In addition, there was no reason to shoot down. We did not break through to Istanbul.

        The states simply instructed Turkey to test us for courage, and are we cool? In short, the moment of truth.
        1. smershxnumx
          smershxnumx 24 November 2015 14: 30 New
          12
          Previously, it was called "take on weakly" - and you can’t refuse and the task is impossible ... Dilemma, damn it ...
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 24 November 2015 14: 37 New
          +6
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          In short, the moment of truth.

          And for sure our all already know who, how and by what. Now an official answer is being worked out or already being formulated (after all, such options were accurately calculated) an answer. I hope for all this will be unexpected and effective.
        3. sgazeev
          sgazeev 24 November 2015 14: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          One thing is clear - before the Russian Aerospace Forces, Turkey did not interfere. In addition, there was no reason to shoot down. We did not break through to Istanbul.

          The states simply instructed Turkey to test us for courage, and are we cool? In short, the moment of truth.

          Monkey hand led
        4. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 24 November 2015 23: 14 New
          +3
          What bothers me more ... Turks have repeatedly warned that they will bring down ... Why did the bombers fly without cover?
    3. Vita vko
      Vita vko 24 November 2015 14: 06 New
      16
      As soon as the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle approached the coast of Syria, then immediately Turkish air defense shot down a Russian plane. I do not believe in such coincidences. Obviously, intelligence information about the approach of a Russian plane to this area came from the French, which allowed the Turks to raise their fighters in time.
      1. nika407
        nika407 24 November 2015 14: 18 New
        13
        I also think that the French are spying on us.
        1. edge
          edge 24 November 2015 16: 50 New
          0
          Quote: nika407
          I also think that the French are spying on us.

          yak isting hokh.ly-lick with two saucers.
      2. Hello
        Hello 24 November 2015 14: 19 New
        +7
        Quote: Vita VKO
        As soon as the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle approached the coast of Syria, then immediately Turkish air defense shot down a Russian plane. I do not believe in such coincidences. Obviously, intelligence information about the approach of a Russian plane to this area came from the French, which allowed the Turks to raise their fighters in time.

        And what do the Turks themselves do not know how to work within their borders? Give them the French?
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 24 November 2015 16: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Hello
          And what do the Turks themselves do not know how to work within their borders? Give them the French?

          Of course, they see the airspace over their border and maybe even 50-100 km see the air situation over the territory of Syria. But this is still not enough to catch the fighters and bring down the aircraft in Syria, unless to organize the constant duty of the F-16 in the air, i.e. they were preparing to bring down and actually cover up "their" terrorists.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 November 2015 16: 52 New
            +6
            Quote: Vita VKO
            Syria, except to organize the constant duty of the F-16 in the air, i.e. they were preparing to bring down and actually cover up "their" terrorists.

            Yes . You just do not track the situation
            After repeated violations of Turkish airspace. Turkey’s protest notes and their prime minister’s promises to fly planes flying into their airspace. they simply stupidly studied flight routes and waited in the right place.
            I'm 100% sure they shot down over my territory.
            But they waited and were sure. what will fly there - the appendix is ​​several kilometers wide. it was never taken into account by anyone 9 especially in mountainous areas)
          2. mervino2007
            mervino2007 24 November 2015 17: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Vita VKO
            they were preparing to bring down and actually cover up "their" terrorists.

            Where is our electronic warfare? Has it been turned on? Or was it faulty? Or is it not effective? Need a flight scheme of our SU-24, with reference to the terrain. The delay in providing this data is not in our favor. Very similar to a well-prepared setup, which ours could not foresee. And where were the SU-30s?
            1. user1212
              user1212 25 November 2015 00: 32 New
              0
              Quote: mervino2007
              Where is our electronic warfare?

              Remember the agreement with the Americans on "preventing incidents in Syrian airspace".
              Quote: mervino2007
              And where were the SU-30s?

              Question there too
        2. edge
          edge 24 November 2015 16: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Hello
          And what do the Turks themselves do not know how to work within their borders? Give them the French?

          Americans around the world complained that our bases were closed by a bubble of rap and they were blind, and then the French (let’s repeat, they are NATO, and they were washing their hands) were allowed in and didn’t block the frequencies. How long did they put the info through closed channels
          1. Zefr
            Zefr 24 November 2015 20: 56 New
            +1
            Want to say that the attacks in France were planned by puppeteers?
      3. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 24 November 2015 14: 52 New
        +2
        They patrol the borders like that. Why do they need the French?
      4. matross
        matross 24 November 2015 15: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Vita VKO
        As soon as the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle approached the coast of Syria, then immediately Turkish air defense shot down a Russian plane. I do not believe in such coincidences.

        One could not believe it. But the French aircraft carrier “did not approach the coast of Syria”, but went to the Persian Gulf and from there it works. So Putin’s words - make contact and work like with allies - are hanging in the air.
    4. PQ-18
      PQ-18 24 November 2015 14: 40 New
      17
      So citizens are vacationers! It is necessary to announce the boycott of Turkey and be a single people.

      "our citizens" will not voluntarily refuse from Turkey, but the president and the government need
      to take measures to CLOSE the Turkish tour. DIRECTLY NOT WAITING for another Ch.P. with "our citizens." Well...
      "extremely complicate" the transportation of oil to Turkey through Syrian territory!
    5. MT266
      MT266 24 November 2015 15: 00 New
      +5
      Bravo!!! finally, a clever idea appeared, we do not need the Turkish coast, we must boycott the Turks with their hotels and places of rest. And you need to rest in Mother Russia !! 1
      1. x587x
        x587x 24 November 2015 16: 13 New
        -1
        Our hucksters will be happy.
  • Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 24 November 2015 13: 42 New
    +3
    and rip off the grandmother in a trihorp just because it is a Russian resort with its own at a low, to put it mildly, level of service is not a betrayal?
    or are you such a whole patriot that you never went outside the territory of the Russian Federation, don’t wear jeans, don’t go to IKEA, prefer Lada Solaris, you probably have a TV set, your computer is probably domestic (are there any?), there are no mobile phones either - (she’s enemy) and so on?
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 24 November 2015 13: 53 New
      31
      Quote: Ivan Tucha
      and rip off the grandmother in a trihorp just because it is a Russian resort with its own at a low, to put it mildly, level of service is not a betrayal?

      I agree! Several times he sent his wife and child to Turkey because it was cheap. Sorry, but I live in Murmansk, if anyone doesn’t know then our climate is, to put it mildly, not very. Especially children on the sea must travel. I have enough money for Turkey, there is no money for Sochi. Or should I, from (very dubious) patriotic considerations, kill my child?
      Py.Sy. To this day, the Turks have not been enemies.
      1. oleg391976
        oleg391976 24 November 2015 14: 38 New
        16
        I also live in the Murmansk region, I run the company and I have income. For the last 10 years I have been traveling exclusively to Russian resorts, and it’s more useful to take children to Anapa than to Turkey. The climate in Anapa is favorable for children. For ten years, the level of service at our resorts has grown significantly, although I do not argue that it is not a cheap pleasure.
        1. KOH
          KOH 24 November 2015 14: 54 New
          12
          I’m sitting and reading, and I can’t remember when the Turks became friends with us, that in the USSR, now ...?
        2. Zabvo
          Zabvo 24 November 2015 15: 14 New
          +8
          Go to Anapa ... If I can advise where it is cheaper and better (I live in Anapa myself).
      2. amba balamut 77
        amba balamut 77 24 November 2015 15: 08 New
        -3
        And what about the Pomors, without the South, nor how? The famous Vikings hilyaki probably always wound around the resorts, sickly. You are from the Kola Peninsula, and I am from Kamchatsky, there is no difference between the children, regardless of whether in the south he was resting or on his grandmother's farm, 700 miles to the north of the house.
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      4. nekot
        nekot 24 November 2015 15: 22 New
        +5
        Substitution of concepts - until today it didn’t seem to be, but will you continue to send your child to Turkey, as follows from your post? Then don’t cry when he is taken hostage.
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 24 November 2015 18: 37 New
          0
          Quote: nekot
          Substitution of concepts - until today it seems they were not

          What were there?
          Quote: nekot
          but you will continue to send the child to Turkey, as follows from your post

          Do not attribute to me what I did not say. The last time was three years ago and have not yet met. And then we'll see.
    2. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 24 November 2015 13: 56 New
      +7
      It seems our pilot killed here video
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 14: 01 New
        34
        Quote: Scandinavian
        It seems our pilot killed here video

        Yes, this is our pilot, Erdogan P, A, D, A, L, L!
        1. Navigator PN
          Navigator PN 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
          -5
          And I really believe that the pilots have some other uniform. Such DSKs (demi-season jackets) have not been issued for a long time, only in the markets can be found. So let's see .....
        2. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 24 November 2015 17: 07 New
          +2
          Fights for oil and the Ottoman Empire ... Pilot sorry
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 November 2015 14: 02 New
        +8
        Quote: Scandinavian
        It seems our pilot was killed

        Rather, he was already dead.
        1. just exp
          just exp 24 November 2015 14: 16 New
          27
          Yes, what's the difference, the Turks must answer.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 14: 40 New
          +7
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Rather, he was already dead.

          Maybe in the air they shot from small arms.
          1. Russiamoy
            Russiamoy 24 November 2015 15: 12 New
            +7
            the most annoying is the reaction of our leadership and the Foreign Ministry. First, foreign politicians and the media write and react, and then, after a certain time, ours too (like with an airplane, closing the tourist flow to Egypt, etc.). not a single tough reaction, as if they were afraid to offend and ruin the relationship.
            1. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 17: 08 New
              +3
              Of course they’re afraid of losing something — that is, money, entering countries, business- mind you- the pipe went through Ukraine- the conflict- the pipe from Turkey- provocation- Nord stream- I don’t remember whether it was provocation or not, it means it will be- the flow of dollars drowns out- nobody swears he doesn’t want to hold resources for the future, it’s unrealistic, but suddenly in the future he’s moved away from resources, he has to sell urgently and at any price, I think such a policy
            2. Oleg14774
              Oleg14774 24 November 2015 17: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Russiamoya
              not a single tough reaction, as if they were afraid to offend and ruin the relationship.

              Well, there are partners with whom they make money. So how can you ?! Stsu ki and "partners" and who works for them.
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        1. Peterhof 73
          Peterhof 73 24 November 2015 15: 17 New
          0
          Quote: siberko
          Here is U.B.L.YU.D.K.I. Turks ..... pro-American shavolds ..... anger is not enough ... this is pure diversion ... jackals

          And here is the reaction (the friendliest of what I found) on the "censor". No comments.
          Guys forum users from b / Ukraine, I ask you by Christ God, remove the yellow-ragged rags from the authors. I don’t have the strength to read kamenty when I see the symbol of downs.

          Here are their (downs) work:

          We are waiting for confessions and revelations.
          24.11.2015 11:33
          Reply
          I like 12
          Igor Andrutsaki
          What recognition? Vacationer, quit, got lost ... I hope this does not work in Turkey.
          24.11.2015 12:10
          Reply
          I like 2
          Kuzma
          Turkey is a NATO country and these fairy tales about vacation they say before the battle, the answer will be short, let them choose another place for vacation.
          24.11.2015 12:14
          Reply
          I like 5
          sash12
          Mabud did not stream to others. At the center of the egg.
          24.11.2015 11:40
          Reply
          I like 5
          Antip61
          The stinks thought that another boat was a spare part for the first one. Well, I’ve chosen ...
          24.11.2015 11:42
          Reply
          I like 10
          evil mole
          Yes, he was fired the day before yesterday ....
          24.11.2015 11:44
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          I like 6
          Dmitry Sergeychuk
          Waiting for the execution on the air!
          1. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 24 November 2015 17: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Petergofsky73
            And here is the reaction (the friendliest of what I found) on the "censor". No comments.

            And why did you shove the comments from the censor here so that the site goes to the site ?!
            It is not good to breed evil.
      4. Koresh
        Koresh 24 November 2015 14: 10 New
        45
        Sorry for the pilot, you need to save the second. It seems to me that there will be only loud statements and in response one of the aircraft of the Turkish Armed Forces will be shot down. Here I would act like Israel, their practice shows that for one shelling of their territories they are more aggressive than those who fired. Since starting a military operation against a NATO member will lead to the fact that everything and everything will burn. That answer should be trickier and cold-headed for the long-term prospect of a cruel answer. This is a war and no one is immune from losses, but you need to increase the fee for the loss of life of fighters.
        1. kagorta
          kagorta 24 November 2015 14: 44 New
          10
          Long live the Great Kurdistan! angry
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 24 November 2015 15: 53 New
          0
          as an option - sabotage by special services. You can arrange a terrorist attack at some chemical plant.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 November 2015 16: 05 New
            +6
            Quote: silver_roman
            as an option - sabotage by special services. You can arrange a terrorist attack at some chemical plant.

            What about the civilians? The Turkish warrior needs to be "combed" ... another question is how to do it and what the Kremlin’s answer will be ... The NATO commission gathered something very quickly. And this suggests that everything is far away not by chance, but also that this is not Erdogan’s personal decision.
          2. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 24 November 2015 17: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: silver_roman
            as an option - sabotage by special services. You can arrange a terrorist attack at some chemical plant.

            Do not stoop to the level of ordinary terrorists. Still, ordinary people will suffer (in this) situation. Calm guys! Everything has its time. Although I want to smash the USA and England to smithereens. Then everyone else just shut up. Because Turkey and other trash are twigs, and the root of all evil is the Anglo-Saxons.
        3. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 24 November 2015 17: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Koresh
          Here I would act like Israel, their practice shows that for one shelling of their territories they are more aggressive than those who fired.

          So, too, Israel, and we are not at war with our partners, even if they are at war with us!
      5. just exp
        just exp 24 November 2015 14: 19 New
        11
        judging by the boots around, far from peaceful Turkmen.
        1. win
          win 24 November 2015 14: 46 New
          +6
          Turkmens


          It ethnic turks (Turkoman, Turkman) living in Syria.
          Turkey supports its compatriots, albeit on foreign territory.
        2. win
          win 24 November 2015 14: 46 New
          +2
          Turkmens


          It ethnic turks (Turkoman, Turkman) living in Syria.
          Turkey supports its compatriots, albeit on foreign territory.
      6. Company
        Company 24 November 2015 14: 31 New
        +2
        It’s a mess, our coveralls in Syria are sandy, and here is green camouflage. Video old with a Syrian pilot.
      7. Company
        Company 24 November 2015 14: 31 New
        0
        It’s a mess, our coveralls in Syria are sandy, and here is green camouflage. Video old with a Syrian pilot.
        1. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian 24 November 2015 15: 05 New
          +3
          Sand-colored pants and sleeves. And the unloading of the pilots is green.
      8. MT266
        MT266 24 November 2015 15: 08 New
        +1
        Bl .... Is it really true! If so, then they will answer for it !!!!
      9. MT266
        MT266 24 November 2015 15: 15 New
        +1
        who knows what they crow there?
      10. silver_roman
        silver_roman 24 November 2015 15: 50 New
        +6
        swelling of the right side of the face is strong.
        if dead, then why? after the fall or before ????? it’s hard to restrain emotions at such moments. at least now the Turkish ambassador should lick his shoes on the carpet at the Foreign Ministry! critters
    3. Disant
      Disant 24 November 2015 13: 56 New
      +3
      that you never went outside the territory of the Russian Federation, don’t wear jeans, don’t go to IKEA, prefer Lada Solaris, you probably have a TV set, your computer is probably domestic (are there any?), there are no mobile phones either (is it enemy) and so on?
      Ivan, do we know each other?
      1. Ivan Tucha
        Ivan Tucha 24 November 2015 14: 22 New
        0
        More likely no than yes.
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    5. meriem1
      meriem1 24 November 2015 13: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Tucha
      and rip off the grandmother in a trihorp just because it is a Russian resort with its own at a low, to put it mildly, level of service is not a betrayal?
      or are you such a whole patriot that you never went outside the territory of the Russian Federation, don’t wear jeans, don’t go to IKEA, prefer Lada Solaris, you probably have a TV set, your computer is probably domestic (are there any?), there are no mobile phones either - (she’s enemy) and so on?


      Computers? snow leopard please !!! Firm K - Systems is called. And for a long time. And telly Horizon Belarusian brand. Aw ... the darkness!
      1. Ivan Tucha
        Ivan Tucha 24 November 2015 14: 21 New
        0
        You are our bright hi
    6. Oladushkin
      Oladushkin 24 November 2015 14: 07 New
      +8
      Dear Ivan!
      Without at all defending the greed of some, let’s say so the owners of resorts in the south of Russia I ask how long the season of tourists in Turkey lasts? Probably something close to a full year is a comfortable temperature, almost summer? But in the Crimea or the Caucasus, the season is 3-4 of the month. There is NO other work there. Those are absolutely NOT. Therefore, just to live the prices were ALWAYS THERE HIGH. And they will always be.
      1. Ivan Tucha
        Ivan Tucha 24 November 2015 14: 18 New
        +2
        The financial component is clear. However, our beginning according to the hostess himself from Sevastopol, the house is there, the apartment, the son lives and he is shocked by how everything has risen in price. And so alas, everywhere. Business is business, but there are some reasonable boundaries. Most of the colleagues this year were at our resorts, generally delighted with nature, monuments, but otherwise ... alas.
        1. perm23
          perm23 24 November 2015 14: 40 New
          +4
          Yes damn guys. It is clear that in the Black Sea, everything is wrong, prices are bending for everything. And Russian Railways bends prices, everyone wants to make money. Like all of us. Here is the question about the pilots. And about the rest. Yes, we have half the country of traitors, if not the whole country. A bunch of all the enemy.
          1. msm
            msm 24 November 2015 15: 30 New
            +3
            Now, finally, they understood why Stalin had camps?
          2. yehat
            yehat 25 November 2015 02: 36 New
            0
            I was very annoyed at the time that juices in Sochi sold almost everywhere 2-4 times more expensive than in Moscow or St. Petersburg.
            even if you’re half a year without tourists, you can’t do this.
        2. nekot
          nekot 24 November 2015 15: 26 New
          0
          Yes, what are you ?? And what, are the prices really higher than in Moscow? Or rest in dollars cheaper? Everything and everywhere has risen in price for us, only you cry
      2. August
        August 24 November 2015 14: 31 New
        0
        In Bulgaria, prices are lower. Although also the Black Sea.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 24 November 2015 15: 43 New
        +4
        Without at all defending the greed of some, let’s say so the owners of resorts in the south of Russia I ask how long the season of tourists in Turkey lasts


        And what, in winter, you can not organize a vacation? Say, at a discount. Artek worked all year round in Soviet times. It is clear that cardboard bungalows will not allow this. Yes, and entertainment is necessary to attract people. And this is all work, and not just loot.
        Well, excuse me, but it’s quite possible to organize at least a la carte meals, you don’t need to rotate the resorts all year round. Well, respect for vacationers also does not depend on the ambient temperature.
    7. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 24 November 2015 14: 24 New
      -32


      Well, cheers, the patriots, as usual, promoted you ... Alas, the brains of our population are washed as they should. Here our propagandists should be given credit.

      In general, Turkey is a NATO member, a war with it is tantamount to a war with the entire bloc. By e-mail, we get from them so that it takes a long time to fight, because we are not ready for a war with NATO, either on land or in air, at sea absolutely ready and no matter how much.

      So calm down your ardor gentlemen cheers patriots.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 November 2015 14: 39 New
        +1
        Anton Gavrilov

        Russia has military superiority over NATO countries in Europe.

        But a military solution to political issues is not at the forefront of a behavior strategy.

        Apparently, preparations for the provocation by Turkey took place.

        I want to note that a hundred aircraft were not shot down by the Turks using an interceptor aircraft.
        As far as I know from YouTube, the Russian Air Force suppresses all NATO fighter jets with REB systems.

        And that adds thought. If it presses, the Turks will say, I'm not me and the artillery is not mine.
      2. perm23
        perm23 24 November 2015 14: 41 New
        +1
        So it is, Well, if you just wash your face and that's it. they can go further. since we get scared.
      3. Xergey
        Xergey 24 November 2015 14: 52 New
        +2
        By the logic of things, Antosha, you are no different from the scum that will sell everyone and everything would be better for you.
        1. Anton Gavrilov
          Anton Gavrilov 24 November 2015 18: 12 New
          +2
          I will immediately go to the draft board as soon as the war begins!

          No illusions about our powers!

          Take the fleet.

          Well, tell me, patriots of minus signers, how many 3 generation submarines do we have? 11 pike-B 6 on the SF 5 on the Pacific Fleet.

          Of these, in the Panther SF in the ranks, the Tiger is not combat-ready, and is not even in the queue at the factory, Leopard will finish the repair in the 17 year at best, Wolf will finish the repair in the 19 year at best, For best at best next year the repair will be completed, the Cheetah can already be considered finished and will be commissioned soon.

          At the Pacific Fleet, Sperm whale is not operational, and here they will either be scrapped or rented to Indians, Bratsk is not operational on Zvezdochka awaiting repair, most likely it will not be finished this decade either, Magadan is not operational, Kuzbass is not operational both of the latter at VTG on a star, and hell knows when the atm comes to an end, Samara is on an asterisk in the north, or rather not even an asterisk because there is no place there, in this decade 100% will not finish the repair.

          On the Northern Fleet in combat-ready condition, 2 Antei is regularly supported + 1 for repair. On the TOF 3, + 2 for repair and deep modernization.

          + 1 885 in trial operation.

          + on the 2 SF combat-ready titanic, and 1 still under repair as a minimum before the end of the next year and 2 old 671RTMK. That’s what we have only 12 nuclear submarines on the go 9 taking into account the cheetah that has not yet been adopted).

          Total more half of nuclear boats are not operational, and require repair. Despite the fact that Amn 39 Elk have a painful part in combat condition, half of this is either on the database or on return / arrival to the areas of the database, and from 1, and most often up to several of their submarines DB at our borders constantly. + they have 12 Virginia, of which almost all are in combat condition. + 3 Si Wolfe, + shavers 3 Esttute and 4 Trfalgar, + French 6 PLA type Ryubi.

          Shaw a good alignment of forces in "our" favor? Shaw well are we ready for a war at sea? With a surface fleet it is still worse, as we have with it and such, with the ratio with the enemies.

          I repeat once again, as a person who understands this, we are NOT READY FOR WAR ON THE SEA, NOT READY FOR IT PERFECT! Therefore, seriously, cool your ardor, the longer we delay the war, the better for us.
      4. Pulya
        Pulya 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
        +2
        Anton Gavrilov and in what place are we not ready ???

        The first couple of days and ... Europe will fall along with Turkey, even without nuclear weapons. This is the opinion of our fights. pilots of the southern districts.
        In August I was on vacation in the Kuban ... we have two regiments of dryers based there ... I had fun, a dinner party, a private conversation with old friends. .
        1. Peterhof 73
          Peterhof 73 24 November 2015 15: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Pulya
          Anton Gavrilov and in what place are we not ready ???

          The first couple of days and ... Europe will fall along with Turkey, even without nuclear weapons. This is the opinion of our fights. pilots of the southern districts.
          In August I was on vacation in the Kuban ... we have two regiments of dryers based there ... I had fun, a dinner party, a private conversation with old friends. .

          Anton Gavrilov IS NOT READY! What a pity. It will be without him.
        2. Mr. Corporal
          Mr. Corporal 24 November 2015 18: 12 New
          +5
          Here, I see, everyone is READY !?
          He had dinner with the pilots. Did you dig a full-length trench long ago?

          They decided to throw their hats ???
          Are we ready for nuclear strikes at our nuclear power plants?
          READY to lose half of the civilian population in the first days of the war !!! ???

          In the meantime, YOU ARE READY FOR OURSELF, above the answers - dig in for 5 minutes in the cold, warriors !!!

          When they lose a piece in chess, they don’t beat the opponent with a board!
          Wait for the return move ...
        3. yehat
          yehat 25 November 2015 02: 40 New
          0
          Do you even understand what the number of NATO aircraft is?
          Do you understand how many air defense aircraft they have, as well as the ground air defense forces?
          We have good planes and good pilots, but THEY ARE LITTLE!
          we only have a lot of tanks.
        4. tracer
          tracer 25 November 2015 05: 42 New
          0
          And you h Kuban?
      5. nekot
        nekot 24 November 2015 15: 29 New
        +3
        You gentlemen, liberals, of course, are not ready to do anything with anyone, just lament how hard they live and what everyone else is around))) They would have knocked down somewhere where everything is fine in your opinion and would cease to bully each other with lamentations)))
      6. alicante11
        alicante11 24 November 2015 15: 45 New
        0
        In general, Turkey is a NATO member, a war with it is tantamount to a war with the entire bloc. By e-mail, we get from them so that it takes a long time to fight, because we are not ready for a war with NATO, either on land or in air, at sea absolutely ready and no matter how much.


        Well, why fight? Introduce a local no-fly zone above the border and land a couple of Turkish birds. Loudly accusing the border violation. What a war, I beg you.
      7. purple
        purple 24 November 2015 15: 50 New
        0
        It seems to me exactly the opposite, that NATO is not ready to fight with us.
        And it’s already better now than in a year when they are pulling all their forces to our borders
        1. yehat
          yehat 25 November 2015 02: 43 New
          0
          why fight?
          with whom to fight?
          What are the goals of the war?
          when to finish?
          you can not clearly answer a single question !!! however, demand to start.
      8. Noncombatant
        Noncombatant 24 November 2015 16: 10 New
        -1
        Anton Gavrilov! You are right reinforced concrete. NOT READY. It's not about the latest “Yakhonts” and “Boreya”, “Iskander” and “Yars”. All this may be at least super new, but without people it is all a pile of iron. But with PEOPLE just a complete atas. Shaking his fist, spraying foam, crimson with anger, swelling his throat in the cry of "For Putin (Erefiyu)" - nothing can be achieved.
        Great America for 25 years has processed the country, which is still proudly called "1/6 of the land."
        1. quote
          quote 24 November 2015 17: 20 New
          0
          Quote: noncombant
          Anton Gavrilov! You are right reinforced concrete. NOT READY. It's not about the latest “Yakhonts” and “Boreya”, “Iskander” and “Yars”. All this may be at least super new, but without people it is all a pile of iron. But with PEOPLE just a complete atas. Shaking his fist, spraying foam, crimson with anger, swelling his throat in the cry of "For Putin (Erefiyu)" - nothing can be achieved.
          Great America for 25 years has processed the country, which is still proudly called "1/6 of the land."

          Have you already built a bunker?
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      10. Weyland
        Weyland 25 November 2015 00: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        Turkey is a member of NATO, a war with it is equivalent to a war with the entire bloc


        Not a fact yet. Article 5 of the NATO Charter states:
        “An armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be considered as an attack on them as a whole, and therefore agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of them, in exercise of law for individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will help To the Contracting Party undergoing, or to the Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack, by the immediate implementation of such an individual or joint action as it considers necessary, including the use of armed force to restore and subsequently maintain the security of the North Atlantic region.

        So if he considers it necessary to use armed force, he will apply it, and if not, he will apply some other "individual or joint action" - for example, a note of protest. Most likely, the sanctions will be extended. That's the horror ...
    8. Xergey
      Xergey 24 November 2015 14: 47 New
      +1
      You better not comment in this option, this is out of place.
    9. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
      +3
      Don't exaggerate like that. Although I agree to Russian resorts, I was in the Crimea this year, the impression is that I was completely upset on prices for the last season, and I don’t go abroad on beach vacations in principle.
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  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 24 November 2015 13: 50 New
    -6
    Quote: kit-kat
    Is it a betrayal to drive to enemies and carry money to them?

    Do children also need to be evaluated on this basis?
    1. voffchik7691
      voffchik7691 24 November 2015 18: 57 New
      +1
      Isn’t it scary to send YOUR NATIVE children?
  • Wolverine
    Wolverine 24 November 2015 14: 01 New
    +4
    Well, why so radical, in Sochi would make prices and services as in Turkey and would not carry money abroad. recourse
  • atakan
    atakan 24 November 2015 14: 04 New
    +4
    kit-kat
    in the evening you will become a sergeant)
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 24 November 2015 14: 33 New
      -8
      Are you here because of the stars? Or defend your position? When you are surrounded by short-sighted and soft-bodied amoeba this is to be expected. Of course, if I fought for the stars, I would not have expressed the truth, but only what everyone wants to hear.
  • dr. sem
    dr. sem 24 November 2015 14: 24 New
    +1
    Betrayal is a deliberate action, and a tourist stunned by the anticipation of a sweet well-deserved rest is "an unreasonable child." So that "children" will be thrown at the mercy of the thieves ???
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 24 November 2015 14: 50 New
      11
      And a tourist, as soon as he wears shorts, turns into an understated boy? He does not know the political situation, or the basic Slavic attitude and does not know what is the position of Turkey towards the Russians? It is simple - loot. And for this money they treat militants (starting with the Chechen wars), establish the drug business and the slave trade (by Russian girls) and so on and so forth. Naive are all.
      1. aws4
        aws4 25 November 2015 01: 31 New
        +2
        don’t explain to them, they won’t understand ... they’re all patriots here, and when it comes to rest they don’t care where to relax ... it doesn’t matter that the enemy has a historical enemy, the enemy who has not forgotten that he is an enemy and is building up his power for their money .... the main thing is ... to warm your own on Turkish sand and not on pebbles in Loo or Gelendzhik and the booze is again free .... so they got enraged and opened their faces after your comment ... they are not patriots, and they are not even people, but ordinary consumers of life without a nation, traditions, culture, and national dignity ... they forgot that they are Russian ... they scream Russia Russia and which of them sings Russian national songs ????? who dances in a squat or a lady madam ????? POSORISHNY .... now if those who are now in Turkey are cut a few hundred then something will stir in my head .... so that no one should be taken out of there .....
    2. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 24 November 2015 15: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: dr. sem
      Betrayal is a deliberate action, and a tourist stunned by the anticipation of a sweet well-deserved rest is "an unreasonable child." So that "children" will be thrown at the mercy of the thieves ???

      In vain you repeated my question. Although I asked that, should we consider the children of tourists to be traitors to the motherland? Here, many do not know how to read what is read., Only reflexes press + press -.
  • Placebo
    Placebo 24 November 2015 15: 15 New
    0
    Well, they didn’t know that they would build rockets with their money that would shoot down our planes ...
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 24 November 2015 15: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Placebo
      Well, they didn’t know that they would build rockets with their money that would shoot down our planes ...

      Tourists are like small children. That's for sure. Careless such. I recall Mikhalkov's poem about Thomas. After all, it’s clear that you need to forget at least temporarily about your vacation in BV. But no. -Hooray! Hooray! Sea Sun! Vacation! Turks with big..h..mi !!! Hooray! (here is the position of many Russians, especially the woman). And the fact that war is not ours.
    2. dr. sem
      dr. sem 24 November 2015 15: 41 New
      +4
      You (kit-kat and placebo) are ... Are you stoned or has your brain dried up? Are you suggesting that all our citizens abroad be thrown like kittens in a bucket? I SAID ABOUT OUR CITIZENS. SUCH AS YOU, INCLUDING. Not a single citizen of the Russian Federation, nor where to throw at the mercy of freaks can not. It is necessary to save ALL OF OUR (and tourists the same) ...
  • 31R-US
    31R-US 24 November 2015 19: 39 New
    0
    Someone drove to Ukraine, they are also traitors.
  • aws4
    aws4 25 November 2015 01: 11 New
    +2
    oh how many minuses they threw at you ... but I agree with you on something .... I remember the second Chechen was walking with me comrades in Turkey gathered here I then poured mud on them, said that they buy weapons for your bearded men and what every ruble spent on vacation in Turkey is an increase in the enemy’s defenses .... they laughed at the joke .... well, today one of them called me and admitted that he thought then that I was joking or pretending to be a fool ... our people are so limited , you need to know the history and know which territories Turkey claims to ..... YES I AGREE TO THE TRAITORS OR FUELS OR CONSUMERS so let them stay there ....
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 13: 28 New
    15
    Quote: lelikas

    Head in the morning is not it?

    Most likely a pensioner is a communist, for whom everyone who has traveled abroad is already a traitor.
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 24 November 2015 13: 31 New
      +2
      Just a troll ...
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 24 November 2015 13: 53 New
      +4
      Most likely just a troll ridiculing local cheers-patriotism
      Like "everything is in Crimea and in Sochi, I don’t care that it’s 3 times more expensive and there is no infrastructure, but its own," it’s fashionable to shout now
      Romanov, burning dislike for the Communists?))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 14: 06 New
        -7
        Quote: Explorer
        Romanov, burning dislike for the Communists?))

        To hiccups.
        1. just exp
          just exp 24 November 2015 14: 19 New
          +4
          last name obliges.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 14: 22 New
            0
            Quote: just EXPL
            last name obliges.

            Memory
            1. godun
              godun 24 November 2015 14: 42 New
              +1
              Were they worse than These?
        2. kit-kat
          kit-kat 24 November 2015 14: 34 New
          0
          And where would you be if not for the Communists? From the nobles?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 14: 38 New
            -1
            Quote: kit-kat
            And where would you be if not for the Communists?

            I would live in the Russian Empire.
            Quote: kit-kat
            From the nobles?

            No from Russians!
            1. kit-kat
              kit-kat 24 November 2015 14: 53 New
              +2
              Russian is a nationality, it’s good that you are Russian. The nobleman is the estate. Therefore, the answer is not entirely correct.
              Have the Communists kicked you out of a crumbling empire? So the enemy was.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 15: 01 New
                +7
                Quote: kit-kat
                The nobleman is the estate.

                What is a communist?
                Quote: kit-kat
                Have the Communists kicked you out of a crumbling empire? So the enemy was.

                Of course the enemy, everyone who has a different look for you enemies. Everyone who has gone to rest abroad is a traitor for you and you don’t need to evacuate them. And the fact that there are thousands of small children, it doesn’t matter for a real communist.
              2. atalef
                atalef 24 November 2015 15: 11 New
                -7
                Quote: Alexander Romanov

                Quote: kit-kat
                .A Communist is that?


                communist is a vocation
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Of course the enemy, everyone who has a different look for you enemies. Everyone who has gone to rest abroad is a traitor for you and you don’t need to evacuate them. And the fact that there are thousands of small children, it doesn’t matter for a real communist.

                when did the communists count people?
              3. alicante11
                alicante11 24 November 2015 15: 48 New
                +7
                when did the communists count people?


                Communists are always. Do not confuse Trotsky with the anti-Semitism.
            2. kit-kat
              kit-kat 24 November 2015 15: 54 New
              +1
              Well ugly, agree? Why juggle? Not good. I just said that it is not good to go on vacation to countries that are hostile towards Russia and carry money to them. Well? not ashamed of juggling?
            3. voffchik7691
              voffchik7691 24 November 2015 19: 09 New
              0
              "All who have gone to rest abroad are traitors for you and they do not need to be evacuated."

              This, of course, is stupid!

              But how can one go on vacation to the Middle East when such an operation is carried out in Syria by our Air Force! At a minimum, one must not be far-sighted so as not to be aware of the consequences. There are enough dissatisfied with the fact that the Ishilovites are destroyed in batches, and you should not substitute yourself!

              "And the fact that there are thousands of small children, so for a real communist it does not matter."

              As for the Communists, Alexander, where does such dense hatred come from? Can you list what the communists did for the children? And how many Communists (real and not like Yeltsin) died saving children? And by the way, if the communists treated children so badly, it seems to me that you would not live up to your age, you would be executed in a kindergarten!

        3. Zefr
          Zefr 24 November 2015 21: 23 New
          0
          How do you zodolbala, nobles. You wouldn’t live anywhere! There wouldn’t be you! Clear? Because since the seventeenth year, history has developed so that it was only because Alexander Romanov could appear that it was the seventeenth year.
          I am glad for you that you would like to save the Russian Empire. Just remember that the Russian Empire would not know anything about you, and could be touched by you, because you, personally, would never have lived at all. And your parents too. And the grandfather would not leave the candle factory to you! And to your grandchildren! In which you would not have been planned!
    3. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 24 November 2015 15: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: Explorer
      Romanov, burning dislike for the Communists?))

      To hiccups.

      Alexander Romanov, I wanted to put you +. I pressed +, but 2 minuses popped up? As an old-timer of the site explain why this could be and call. Did not want.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 15: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Petergofsky73
        and 2 minuses popped up? As an old-timer of the site explain why this could be and call. Did not want.

        Simultaneously with you, the trio of communists clicked on minus hi
        1. Peterhof 73
          Peterhof 73 24 November 2015 16: 39 New
          0
          belay
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Petergofsky73
          and 2 minuses popped up? As an old-timer of the site explain why this could be and call. Did not want.

          Simultaneously with you, the trio of communists clicked on minus hi

          Judging by the minuses, I already have a lot of communists. And what are they so "triples" and still work? Even in VO? Wonderful.
      2. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 24 November 2015 19: 22 New
        0
        I’m not Alexander, but in my opinion it’s because while you read the minuses you instructed him!
  • nekot
    nekot 24 November 2015 15: 31 New
    0
    Pliz facts, with prices. about 3 times more expensive and lack of infrastructure
  • derik1970
    derik1970 24 November 2015 14: 13 New
    +5
    Yes, in fact, the way it is, albeit in part. Today he listens to jazz and tomorrow he will sell his homeland. Which incidentally happened at one time in the USSR. As I noted, all those who often travels abroad have an excellently-nasty opinion about their country, often nothing patriotic. Although abroad, such travelers are needed only as long as they have money in stock, but they don’t have money, they can even beat it and pour it with acid and so on. So that guy's fine with his head !!! Worry about yourself, the reality is slightly different! hi
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 24 November 2015 14: 44 New
    15
    Alexander Romanov

    Senior citizen Communist, write with a capital letter. Respect the history of your country.

    The Communists were always the first to go in the direction of danger. That is their morality.

    I understand that you have been thoroughly washed. All you can think of.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 14: 51 New
      -4
      Quote: gladcu2

      Senior citizen Communist, write with a capital letter. Respect the history of your country.

      In Canada, pulled out of respect for their country?
      Quote: gladcu2
      I understand that you have been thoroughly washed.

      Of course, the communists washed it, but over time, everything fell into place, fortunately.
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      2. atalef
        atalef 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
        -5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: gladcu2Pensioner Communist, write with a capital letter. Respect the history of your country. In CANADA pulled out of respect for your country?


        good to be a communist .... in Canada laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 15: 11 New
          -8
          Quote: atalef
          good to be a communist .... in Canada

          Preliminarily yanking stolen there in Russia.
          1. ydjin
            ydjin 24 November 2015 16: 45 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            good to be a communist .... in Canada

            Preliminarily yanking stolen there in Russia.

            Alexander, what do you know about real communists? Or did they write down a hunchbacked traitor to the Motherland? Are you sure a liberoid and a liberalist apparently?
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 25 November 2015 00: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: ydjin
              Are you sure a liberoid and a liberalist apparently?


              Iron logic laughing
              So I hate the Communists, not because I am a liberal, but because I am a monarchist and an imperial! And I hate liberalists even more - if not for Guchkov, Milyukov, Rodzianko and Kerensky, Lenin would not have a single chance! am
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          2. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 17: 19 New
            0
            blamelessly - how to fart in a puddle
        2. ydjin
          ydjin 24 November 2015 16: 39 New
          +3
          Is it good to be Yahweh elected in a chosen country?
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: gladcu2Pensioner Communist, write with a capital letter. Respect the history of your country. In CANADA pulled out of respect for your country?


          good to be a communist .... in Canada laughing

          Also exceptional to me! God sees, well, we didn’t want to multiply you exceptional by zero. You ask yourself, but you could be friends.
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 24 November 2015 15: 31 New
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Of course, the communists washed it, but over time, everything fell into place, fortunately.

        And what have the Communists basically done to you? Those real ones who won the Second World War, made the agrarian country in a dilapidated state a powerful industrial and military developed power, flew into space, built dozens of nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power stations, what did you do wrong?
        Are you a victim of a fashionable tendency to spit in your story?
        And about the modern ones, led by Zyuganov (clowns for wringing the votes of the most zealous), no one remembers.
        1. Throw
          Throw 24 November 2015 15: 54 New
          +5
          Those are real

          Exactly. There is no need to confuse soldiers, workers and designers - communists with different party trash, thieves and scumbags, who do not care what to hide behind, even with communism, even with liberalism ...
        2. esaull
          esaull 24 November 2015 21: 13 New
          0
          Those real exiled my grandmother's family to Siberia from the Rostov region, about half of the children did not survive the exile, only because my great-grandfather was a Cossack, an officer and had the honor to defend his homeland in the First World War, and he did not participate in the civil war, he was in imprisoned in Germany, and returned to Russia after the civil war and was immediately exiled with his family, and there were more than half of all Cossacks like him, so why should I love those real communists? for the red terror against my ancestors?
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 25 November 2015 00: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          And what have the Communists basically done to you? Those real ones who won the Second World War, made the agrarian country in a dilapidated state a powerful industrial and military developed power, flew into space, built dozens of nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power stations, what did you do wrong?


          Those real people ruined the country (and the vile Leninist law "on the right of nations to self-determination" pulled off after 70 years!), Slaughtered tens of millions of people, killed 90% of the clergy (this is only during the Civil years!) - and then came hidden imperial Stalin and in 1937m these real communists multiplied by zero! It was Stalin who made the agrarian country in a dilapidated state a powerful industrial and military developed power - after his death, “by inertia” lasted about 10 years, even went into space, but then the commies that were not cut by him, headed by the bald corn-maker, took their am
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 24 November 2015 16: 30 New
        +2
        Alexander Romanov

        I did not jerk to Canada, but received citizenship as a professional.

        And you were not offered to turn to a psychiatrist, there among celebrities you will have the opportunity to communicate on an equal footing.
      5. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 24 November 2015 19: 25 New
        0
        And apparently doctors from "Washington echo, that is, Moscow echo" put in place?
  • vicdoc63
    vicdoc63 24 November 2015 13: 48 New
    +8
    And who are you taking the money relaxing there?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 14: 07 New
      0
      Quote: vicdoc63
      And who are you taking the money relaxing there?

      And that people, having earned money, do not have the right to go on a vacation where they want?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 24 November 2015 15: 50 New
        +3
        And that people, having earned money, do not have the right to go on a vacation where they want?


        Yes, for God's sake, only when they begin to move to camps directly from the "olinclusive", as the Germans at the beginning of the WWII, do not cry and call for the release of compatriots soon.
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  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 24 November 2015 17: 13 New
    0
    Quote: lelikas
    Head in the morning is not it?

    So maybe you are from the liberals? Or is the guy wrong? And maybe you yourself like to relax in Turkey? Lelikas! Something gay.
  • Mih
    Mih 25 November 2015 00: 00 New
    0
    No, no. Comrade General. soldier
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 13: 27 New
    16
    Quote: kit-kat
    What for to evacuate them. They are traitors.

    Rarely minus with such pleasure.
    1. sannych
      sannych 24 November 2015 13: 33 New
      27
      The man apparently tried to explain that due to such behavior of Turkey, our tourists do not need to go there. But he explained, as it seems to me, not entirely successfully. Comment below, but in a milder form, gathered a cloud of pluses.
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 November 2015 13: 37 New
      18
      I already wrote on another branch that in a series of priority measures it is necessary to evacuate tourists, if any answer is expected, of course I do not consider them traitors, but in light of the events already almost 2 months ago, you still need to turn on and think about where to go on vacation!
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    4. kit-kat
      kit-kat 24 November 2015 14: 54 New
      0
      Glad I brought you many pleasant moments)).
  • WKS
    WKS 24 November 2015 13: 51 New
    47
    In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war. The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities. And judging by the fact that he fell on Syrian territory, he did not fly there at all. The Turks entered into a military conflict in Syria on the side of the terrorists. Our government must respond accordingly to this provocation.
    1. U-96
      U-96 24 November 2015 14: 13 New
      -17
      Quote: wks
      In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war.

      nonsense. For an excuse for war, this episode does not pull a gram.
      Quote: wks
      The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities.

      listen to yourself. Kindergarten ... I do not understand so many advantages ... Schoolchildren on the site ??? laughing
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 24 November 2015 16: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: U-96
        Quote: wks
        In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war.

        nonsense. For an excuse for war, this episode does not pull a gram.
        Quote: wks
        The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities.

        listen to yourself. Kindergarten ... I do not understand so many advantages ... Schoolchildren on the site ??? laughing

        It is now clear that the Turks shot down the air with a rocket! They played the Turks in a super-regional power.
    2. Erg
      Erg 24 November 2015 14: 13 New
      13
      Judging because our plane crashed, it was unlikely that it had moved far from the place of defeat. And he fell on Syrian territory. Everything inside me is boiling. am It was lucky for the Turks that I am not the president - let them live, scum.
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 24 November 2015 14: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Erg
        It was lucky for the Turks that I am not the president - let them live, scum.



        Would you rather be the last president?
      2. ydjin
        ydjin 24 November 2015 16: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Erg
        Judging because our plane crashed, it was unlikely that it had moved far from the place of defeat. And he fell on Syrian territory. Everything inside me is boiling. am It was lucky for the Turks that I am not the president - let them live, scum.

        Now the GDP directly accused the Turks of bringing down our Su-24 over the territory of Syria by a Turkish fighter with an air-to-air rocket! Turks went to confrontation? Do not forget!
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 24 November 2015 14: 13 New
      0
      Quote: wks
      The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities. And judging by the fact that he fell on Syrian territory, he did not fly there at all.

      In general, taking into account that even on all missiles, cameras have been installed for a long time that transmit online the image to the command and control center, then I think there is such a thing on all planes, and it’s not even necessary to look for black boxes, you can just see who shot down a movie and over which territory. And why the SU-24 didn’t have the latest electronic warfare system to counter the rather backward Turkish Air Force .. I don’t think that the Americans sell them the latest air-to-air missiles.
      1. smershxnumx
        smershxnumx 24 November 2015 14: 36 New
        +9
        The bomber was without a fighter’s cover, apparently on a free hunt ... That’s what they caught ... Our flyers obviously didn’t wait for attacks, because were in the airspace of Syria.
        1. U-96
          U-96 24 November 2015 14: 47 New
          +8
          Quote: smerx24
          Our flyers obviously did not wait for attacks

          funny. Are they at an air show in Zhukovsky? Or in the officer’s canteen?
        2. figter
          figter 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
          14
          When it was reported that due to increased military tension there was a need to increase the number of sorties and therefore began to strike with single planes, then I still had the thought of turning organized tactical actions of aviation into a militarized collective farm. It is not surprising that such a mess and neglect of tactics in favor of increasing the combat load sooner or later lead to such losses. It is supposed to carry out fighter cover of a bomber - cover! What the hell is Su-24 going without cover? You need to think about your head, and not fall into euphoria.
          1. smershxnumx
            smershxnumx 24 November 2015 15: 49 New
            +5

            figter RU  Today, 14:56 ↑ New


            When it was reported that due to increased military tension there was a need to increase the number of sorties and therefore began to strike with single planes, then I still had the thought of turning organized tactical actions of aviation into a militarized collective farm. It is not surprising that such a mess and neglect of tactics in favor of increasing the combat load sooner or later lead to such losses. It is supposed to carry out fighter cover of a bomber - cover! What the hell is Su-24 going without cover? You need to think about your head, and not fall into euphoria.

            So I'm talking about too ... Dizziness, or something, from success, from fathers-commanders or what? Why? Who allowed?
            I think this incident will be a serious "debriefing" !!!!
            1. Throw
              Throw 24 November 2015 16: 00 New
              +3
              HOW does fighter cover save from air defense attacks or air-to-air missiles, strategists?
              1. figter
                figter 24 November 2015 17: 13 New
                +7
                Dear, non-strategic! Since the advent of combat aircraft, she adheres to certain rules, which significantly reduces her own losses. If the bomber goes under the guise of a fighter, for example, Su-30, then not a single bastard on the F-16 will approach it at the distance of rocket launch. It’s the same with the air defense system, which, when you turn on the high and take on escort, immediately collapses into the “return” PRR (anti-radar missile), which the Su-24, which is equipped exclusively for bombing, as in this case, simply does not. The bomber is not a fighter and he was a tidbit for PAIRS F-16, who were clearly hunting and looking for such a goal. Please note that even the Turks flew in PAIR, mutually covering each other. To send a single bomber without cover in a combat situation, hoping for Russian chance - this is the height of stupidity!
                1. Throw
                  Throw 24 November 2015 20: 13 New
                  +1
                  Much respected strategist!) Describes the situation fighting, open war, when everyone falls ahead of the target, upon detection.
                  Immediately we are dealing with a provocation "in the back" and do not cover up, they will plant a rocket. Moreover, they worked from their territory, how can they not be allowed to go there?
                  And if the provocation was also planned, then, moreover, if there was a cover, it would be two pairs fighters, and there is only time to cover for cover ..
                2. figter
                  figter 24 November 2015 20: 44 New
                  +2
                  Lance (6) SU Today, 20: 13 ↑ New
                  A much-respected strategist!) The described refers to the status of military operations, open war, when everyone fails to preempt, upon detection.

                  What happened today is the situation of military operations. The tumbler "Fighting-Peacetime" does not exist - there is the concept of "Continuous combat readiness." And if we had the recklessness to get into Syria - be so kind as to observe elementary tactical rules. Even if the F-16 launched the Su-24 missile “provocatively”, then if the Su-30 was nearby, it wouldn’t have gone unpunished, but we would have every reason to respond immediately and here we would discuss the charred corpse of Turkish the pilot. In the meantime, they showed us their place and lowered them from heaven to earth.
            2. voffchik7691
              voffchik7691 24 November 2015 19: 32 New
              0
              And who launched the air-to-air missile? Here it would be covered from him.
        3. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 17: 25 New
          -1
          so if judging by the comments, there was such a thing, the French say they want to cling to our victory, they already celebrated the victory, I read it this morning, I thought it would be a mess to my love there and it won’t lead to good, I'm afraid it’s hard to hide the ends of the current here - the plane didn’t drown, but it crashed and in front of everyone - let's see - it doesn’t depend on us here — where we will go there and let's go
    4. Russiamoy
      Russiamoy 24 November 2015 15: 27 New
      +1
      voooot. it will be generally seams if everything was turned on on the plane, judging by the fact that he flew confidently without cover. and it was also said that the plane was in free flight, although all the time they muttered that they only fly out according to their goals in fact to the mission. I understand that sometimes it is necessary to say not what is, but ...
  • The lead
    The lead 24 November 2015 14: 17 New
    14
    Quote: wks
    And judging by the fact that he fell on Syrian territory, he did not fly there at all.
    Even earlier, the Turks made a demarche in front of our consulate, allegedly a Turkish settlement was fired upon with our plane. Perhaps the Turks decided to take revenge and shot down the plane without bothering to find out whether or not they were in Turkish territory.
    Quote: wks
    Turks entered into military conflict in Syria on the side of terrorists
    I support is an objective situation and an occasion that cannot be ignored.
    Quote: wks
    Our government must respond accordingly to this provocation.
    The destruction of a combat aircraft and the death of a pilot is an act of war. In response, the Russian Federation can use a similar answer, any decisive action in this situation will be justified. Turkey must be punished for its crime.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 November 2015 14: 40 New
    +5
    Quote: wks
    In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war

    Rather, to retaliatory steps, such as shooting down a Turkish plane or several. Work on ISIS bases in Turkey. Again, if the co-pilot is alive, then he needs to be pulled out. In general, there are more questions than answers.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 24 November 2015 14: 48 New
    +7
    Alas, in fact, the war with the West is already underway.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 November 2015 14: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Alas, in fact, the war with the West is already underway.

      One thing is clear that this is pure diversion, prepared and agreed not yesterday.
  • Peterhof 73
    Peterhof 73 24 November 2015 15: 45 New
    0
    Quote: wks
    In fact, if the Turks shot down, then this is a step towards war. The plane, if it flew into their territory, is not to bomb Turkish cities. And judging by the fact that he fell on Syrian territory, he did not fly there at all. The Turks entered into a military conflict in Syria on the side of the terrorists. Our government must respond accordingly to this provocation.

    But as? What would you do if you were Putin? To me personally. nothing comes to a stupid mind. Embed in Turkey or what?
  • 0255
    0255 24 November 2015 14: 01 New
    -10
    Quote: kit-kat
    What for to evacuate them. They are traitors.

    Maybe you are just jealous of those who earn more than you and travel to Turkey on vacation?
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 24 November 2015 14: 36 New
      +6
      I like the Dominican Republic more. And people are better and rest is better. Again, not Muslims. That's important for me.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 14: 41 New
        0
        Quote: kit-kat
        I like the Dominican Republic more.

        Go for a vacation in the DPRK
        1. kit-kat
          kit-kat 24 November 2015 15: 04 New
          +3
          They will open the country, and I will go. Why not?
        2. Russiamoy
          Russiamoy 24 November 2015 15: 37 New
          +5
          why so rude. a person can have his own point of view (and it is not unfounded), especially since he has not told anyone where to go. . The UAE can also be included in the list of disadvantaged countries. I agree that we need to react to everyone (the state, people), and this is done not by prohibitions, but by bringing the information that the state needs to the public. and people must decide where to rest
      2. 3officer
        3officer 24 November 2015 15: 25 New
        +1
        Prices do not compare with the Dominican Republic, these are slightly different things, and the service personnel are no more concerned with the political situation than with the same tourists, and the tourists generally have too much attention. The Turkish season until May is generally irrelevant.
  • derik1970
    derik1970 24 November 2015 14: 02 New
    23
    In such political weather, you have to sit at home !!! In fact, the West is at war with Russia. So the plane was shot down and definitely specially! And the people are drawn, do not care for this people their own country, so you can use your definition of traitors. More than sure, if tourists close their visit to Turkey, the howl among them will rise unrealistic. So then instantly potential traitors will succeed! I have acquaintances who have not even been to Moscow for their long lives and live nothing, and lives are happy. And here, if only everything was included ... Yes, and all these tourists are needed as long as they have money, and if something serious happens like a war, the Turks will drive everyone to camps, it will be like in 1941.
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 24 November 2015 14: 25 New
    -13
    Drunk midwife dropped during childbirth?
  • kit-kat
    kit-kat 24 November 2015 14: 30 New
    +5
    I see lovers of relaxation in Turkey on this resource more than enough.
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  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 November 2015 14: 33 New
    13
    They are not traitors.
    They are potential hostages.
    And when / if they are captured
    then it will create the smut of Russia.
    And why are they still there, and not in Russia ...
    I won’t call traitors
    just * Lavrov's phrase *
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 24 November 2015 15: 59 New
      +5
      Satanovsky and Bogdasarov, since they have not had their own heads, have been saying for 5 years (if not more) that it is dangerous to travel to rest in the countries of the Middle East, i.e. to Muslims. Was it really necessary to wait for the explosion of the plane in order to at least scratch about it?
  • Home777art
    Home777art 24 November 2015 16: 18 New
    -1
    Do not speed!
    These are our people, and if necessary we will take them out on the armor! And then, if they are traitors, of course, we’ll send the forest! Something like this!
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  • Archon
    Archon 24 November 2015 17: 53 New
    +1
    Traitors are unlikely, but there is no need to take them out - they themselves will leave with tour operators (this is their direct responsibility). And no one will touch them, because it will threaten a very serious answer.
  • nemo778
    nemo778 24 November 2015 22: 53 New
    0
    These! Creatures are not afraid of death !!!!!!!! All! WRAPPING IN WITH WINE SKINS! Talk about it! They are not afraid to die! Warn! Death! YOU !!! BE AFRAID !!! angry NEW SKINS TO YOU !!!
  • Mih
    Mih 24 November 2015 23: 25 New
    -1
    "White little knots are riding black males." Yes, no evacuation is necessary - everyone will get what they deserve. Still bl..y evacuate? Ohrinet !!! am
  • Samaritan
    Samaritan 24 November 2015 13: 20 New
    98
    Close flights to Turkey, as well as tourists to Egypt! In view of the terrorist threat posed by the Turkish government ...
    1. Rrrj
      Rrrj 24 November 2015 13: 59 New
      14
      Quote: Samaritan
      Accrete flights to Turkey, as well as tourists to Egypt! In view of the terrorist threat posed by the Turkish government ...

      - they are already threatening us with a gun, but you about your kopeks - n @ hell - urgently need to be written in the teeth - for now there is something.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 24 November 2015 14: 21 New
        10
        Quote: rrrj
        an urgent need to write in the teeth - while there is something.

        what It’s necessary to check out on the teeth, but first we must get our tourists out of there so that they don’t become hostages - this is apparently all calculated by the Amers - as long as our hundreds of thousands of men, women and children are there, they will not be able to seriously press or respond.
        1. U-96
          U-96 24 November 2015 14: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          but first get our tourists out of there

          well yes. "Tag-and-il !!" will not leave anywhere from the buffet. He put on everything. Vacation is sacred. laughing
          And what do you propose to "pull out"? On board the Ministry of Emergencies?
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 24 November 2015 15: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: U-96
            "Tag-and-il !!" will not leave anywhere from the buffet. He put on everything. Vacation is sacred.

            Well, yes, of course - “Tagil”, a shovel from a shovel instead of a rifle - this is our everything, people require bread and circuses, first they gave a little bread (sausages of 300 varieties) then Comedy Club, a serial conveyor, cops of alcoholics, bandits of heroes and other henna - is that all of us? We will now think only in images with the ones that we diligently trickle into the head from TV and pour from other media. Everything is supposedly around, but for the sake of money they will go anywhere and do anything?
            Nonsense is all. WHEN PRESSES everything will be done as it should. Even those ducks who only sip a beer and listen to music at night, very quickly get when it comes to their health and life.
      2. U-96
        U-96 24 November 2015 14: 25 New
        -5
        Quote: rrrj
        while there is for what.

        articulate why.
        1. Rrrj
          Rrrj 24 November 2015 14: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: U-96
          articulate why.

          Over h..n over your shouldersO - maybe I should write you a cool pendell too - I’ll tell you joking?
          1. U-96
            U-96 24 November 2015 14: 51 New
            -1
            Quote: rrrj
            Over h..n over your shouldersO - maybe I should write you a cool pendell too - I’ll tell you joking?

            I see. Thanks. I see the formulator 80 LVL. "I have no more questions" (c)
            1. kit-kat
              kit-kat 24 November 2015 15: 07 New
              +1
              Well, what are you playing unconscious? For the plane. And he is right. Until you have time to gloss over the incident, you need to react firmly. Otherwise, they will not stop on the same plane.
              1. U-96
                U-96 24 November 2015 15: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: kit-kat
                Well, what are you playing unconscious?

                What the fuck, unconscious, dear? I asked only: with what wording
                Quote: rrrj
                urgently write in the teeth

                Quote: kit-kat
                For the plane

                What - "For the plane"? It’s more like a toast from the “Features of National Hunts”.
                Quote: kit-kat
                And he is right

                and I didn’t say that he was wrong. A reaction must follow and, I hope, follow. I just don’t understand why this couch army began to throw pillows and litter popcorn. One has already taken the straits, the other is arming the Kurds, the third S-400 in Tartus is unloading. Like, not a shkolota.
                1. Rrrj
                  Rrrj 24 November 2015 15: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: U-96
                  I just don’t understand why this couch army began to throw pillows and litter popcorn. One has already taken the straits, the other is arming the Kurds, the third S-400 in Tartus is unloading. Like, not a shkolota.

                  I don’t like this either - it was because of this that I used the figurative expression "cut into the teeth" - and it’s not up to me to decide how.
                  1. U-96
                    U-96 24 November 2015 17: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: rrrj
                    it was because of this that I used the figurative expression "cut in the teeth" - and how - it is not for me to decide.

                    OK understood)
                2. kit-kat
                  kit-kat 24 November 2015 16: 32 New
                  0
                  Accepted;).
              2. msm
                msm 24 November 2015 15: 45 New
                +1
                What is an airplane and two tortured pilots ... When the Turkish stream is at stake, our masters?
                1. U-96
                  U-96 24 November 2015 17: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: msm
                  What is an airplane and two tortured pilots ... When the Turkish stream is at stake, our masters?
                  why did you blurt out, comrade?
  • Wiruz
    Wiruz 24 November 2015 13: 21 New
    21
    Oh, these Straits ...

    Do not be Turkish ...
    1. Good me
      Good me 24 November 2015 13: 25 New
      41
      Quote: Wiruz
      Oh, these Straits ...

      Do not be Turkish ...



      You, apparently, were mistaken, and wanted to write:

      Oh, these Straits ...

      No WILL they are turkish ...
    2. PQ-18
      PQ-18 24 November 2015 13: 26 New
      13
      Oh, these Straits ...

      Do not be Turkish ...

      If they will "goat", then ...
      can lose straits!
      for the Turks many sins are listed, including and the seizure of northern Cyprus and the northern territories of Syria.
      1. U-96
        U-96 24 November 2015 14: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: PQ-18
        If they will "goat", then ...
        can lose straits!

        and who will rob them?
    3. shuhartred
      shuhartred 24 November 2015 13: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Wiruz
      Oh, these Straits ...

      Do not be Turkish ...

      Admiral Kolchak planned a brilliant operation to capture the straits in 1916. We all know what got in the way. On the other hand, our straits, so what? Who prevents blocking the Aegean and Sea of ​​Marmara? In order to have a way out in the Mediterranean (damn it five times I was mistaken while I printed laughing ) you need to control (or have in friends) both Greece and Turkey.
      1. 3officer
        3officer 24 November 2015 15: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: shuhartred
        Quote: Wiruz
        Oh, these Straits ...

        Do not be Turkish ...

        Admiral Kolchak planned a brilliant operation to capture the straits in 1916. We all know what got in the way. On the other hand, our straits, so what? Who prevents blocking the Aegean and Sea of ​​Marmara? In order to have a way out in the Mediterranean (damn it five times I was mistaken while I printed laughing ) you need to control (or have in friends) both Greece and Turkey.


        Is this a joke? It was unrealistic under Kolchak - now it’s simply impossible.
        1. edge
          edge 25 November 2015 01: 00 New
          0
          Quote: 3officer
          This was unrealistic under Kolchak - now it is simply impossible.

          never say, never .... everything is real, the calculation of forces and means is important, as well as the tactics of application.
    4. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 24 November 2015 14: 05 New
      11
      ..... Oh, these Straits ...

      Do not be Turkish ...


      ..... It’s too late to drink Borjomi ..... If Russia had not left the First World War (there was a revolution), then by its results all these straits should have gone to Russia .... But .....
      1. perm23
        perm23 24 November 2015 14: 45 New
        0
        Well, here's how to say it. And France and England did not want to give the straits. And they would not give. They never loved Russia.
    5. edge
      edge 25 November 2015 00: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      Oh, these Straits ...

      Do not be Turkish ...

      ... and that's not all, there is still friction in Cyprus (Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus), by the way the Cypriots are asking to put our base in them, well, the Kurds .... So, in which case the Turks may lose the right to control the straits .
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 24 November 2015 13: 22 New
    25
    Quote: Enot_33
    Ambassador to the carpet. Evacuation of tourists. Further on the situation.


    What for ? Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences. In theory, after such jokes, the Turks should simply be left without the Air Force.
    1. Altona
      Altona 24 November 2015 13: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Geisenberg

      What for ? Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences. In theory, after such jokes, the Turks should simply be left without the Air Force.

      -----------------------
      And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 24 November 2015 14: 04 New
        +6
        Quote: Altona
        And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do?


        close Turkey Nafik all ... the ruins to rename to Byzantium ... let it be objected .. winked
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      3. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 24 November 2015 14: 06 New
        +7
        .... And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do? ...

        ... As they close it, they will open it .... I remember there is a bridge that connects Asia with Europe ..... For now .... lol
      4. U-96
        U-96 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do?

        Then the friend above threatened to take the straits from the Turks. He probably has a recipe.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 24 November 2015 15: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: U-96
          Then the friend above threatened to take the straits from the Turks. He probably has a recipe.


          in vain iranize .. any group is like a family and the loss just doesn’t go away .. I think the VKS pilots (and whoever said that special caste as submariners) have already passed their sentence ... you don’t have to shoot down .. I think pilots know how to simply make someone else’s plane crash ... although I think that the Turks will no longer fly to Syria ..
          1. U-96
            U-96 24 November 2015 15: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            I think the VKS pilots (and whoever says this special caste as submariners) have already passed their sentence ... you don’t have to shoot down .. I think the pilots know how to simply make someone else’s plane crash ...

            Well, what about the straits?
      5. edge
        edge 25 November 2015 01: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Altona
        And the Turks will close the straits ... Here's what to do?

        ignore, let them dare to attack .... especially since there is a set of rules governing free access
    2. avt
      avt 24 November 2015 13: 32 New
      52
      Quote: Geisenberg
      Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences. In theory, after such jokes, the Turks should simply be left without the Air Force.

      It started, we fanned out, like in Schweik at Hasek - ,, To Belgrade! "Got to fight with the NATO country? Have you forgotten about the straits? Ah! Yes1 We’ll beat off the two“ Vashavyanka "without the French ,, trough" Mistral! fool The answer must be calculated and realized on a cold head and inevitable! To begin with, lift the moratorium on the supply of weapons of the PKK, and there it is already decided whether to take the next steps or not, depending on the development of the situation in the dynamics.
      Quote: 79807420129
      , pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without the word smoked,

      Don’t say any nonsense - the Turks in the region have refused to let the USA troops into Kurdistan into their minds and even into an Iraqi company. It’s another matter what exactly the Erdogan’s family got on their grandmothers when they started to smash the fuel trucks to shreds and hell knows how many Turks were killed there.
      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 24 November 2015 14: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: avt
        The answer must be calculated and realized on a cold head and inevitable! To begin with, lift the moratorium on the supply of weapons of the PKK, and there it is already decided whether to take the next steps or not, depending on the development of the situation in the dynamics.

        Oh - this is the answer - this is a hidden fart.
        1. avt
          avt 24 November 2015 14: 09 New
          14
          Quote: rrrj
          Oh - this is the answer - this is a hidden fart.

          If you start to think in the upper hemispheres, and not the lower ones, then make sure that even this action is for the Turks deadly. There, NOW, Turkish troops are conducting an anti-Kurdish operation against the Kurds, all the way from the southern borders to the borders with Armenia, and if you equip the Kurds with old Soviet weapons and give them what the Turks give to the spirits - ATGM, it will not seem enough. And there you can think about a no-fly zone over the same Syrian Kurdistan, which the Turks bomb regularly. Moreover, the border was bombed for the last time both on its territory and adjacent external territories.
          1. Rrrj
            Rrrj 24 November 2015 14: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: avt
            If you start to think in the upper hemispheres, and not the lower ones, then make sure that even this action is for the Turks deadly.

            And if you start thinking with all your brain, you will understand that if we are arming terrorists, then we are a global threat, and if we give a slap in the face, then this is a normal answer in connection with the threat.
            1. U-96
              U-96 24 November 2015 15: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: rrrj
              And if you start thinking with all your brain, you will understand that if we arm terrorists, then we are a global threat.

              correctly. And it is logical to assume that the PKK will be included in the lists of territorial organizations with the same ease as it was excluded in 2009. So, I also think that the comrade with the “lifting of the moratorium” is clearly past the point.
              1. avt
                avt 24 November 2015 15: 10 New
                -1
                Quote: U-96
                . And it is logical to assume that the PKK will be included in the lists of territorial organizations with the same ease as it was excluded in 2009.

                The problems of the Indians / Turks, the sheriff do not care. There is a war and where they - Kurds like get weapons - it's not our business to make excuses.
                Quote: rrrj
                if we gave a response slap in the face - then this is a normal response, in connection with the threat.

                And besides the artistic whistle, without taking into account the supply of bases in Syria conducting intensive combat work, is there anything to say?
                Quote: PQ-18
                But, a few sensitive lessons for the Turks are NEEDED and can be taught!

                And not mirrored, but ALTERNATIVE.
                1. U-96
                  U-96 24 November 2015 15: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: avt
                  The problems of the Indians / Turks, the sheriff do not care. There is a war and where they - Kurds like get weapons - it's not our business to make excuses.

                  Something I do not understand your logic. So you propose to openly supply weapons to the Kurds? Or all the same gray schemes?
                  1. avt
                    avt 24 November 2015 18: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: U-96
                    Something I do not understand your logic. So you propose to openly supply weapons to the Kurds? Or all the same gray schemes?

                    ,, Act strictly according to the law, that is, act on the sly. "
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 24 November 2015 14: 10 New
        10
        Quote: avt
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences. In theory, after such jokes, the Turks should simply be left without the Air Force.

        It started, we fanned out, like in Schweik at Hasek - ,, To Belgrade! "Got to fight with the NATO country? Have you forgotten about the straits? Ah! Yes1 We’ll beat off the two“ Vashavyanka "without the French ,, trough" Mistral! fool The answer must be calculated and realized on a cold head and inevitable! To begin with, lift the moratorium on the supply of weapons of the PKK, and there it is already decided whether to take the next steps or not, depending on the development of the situation in the dynamics.
        Quote: 79807420129
        , pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without the word smoked,

        Don’t say any nonsense - the Turks in the region have refused to let the USA troops into Kurdistan into their minds and even into an Iraqi company. It’s another matter what exactly the Erdogan’s family got on their grandmothers when they started to smash the fuel trucks to shreds and hell knows how many Turks were killed there.

        I agree with you that it was painfully swinging swords, a Turkey member of NATO may turn into a 3rd world war, here we must act very carefully, knowing that the West will hang all the dogs in Russia, but inevitably, just as a swami agrees that the Erdoganov family is connected with the oil and arms business with ISIS but to shoot down the plane, I think that Erdogan was nevertheless cautious without the support of mattresses, but say yourself that he is not completely frostbitten.
    3. PQ-18
      PQ-18 24 November 2015 13: 59 New
      +5
      Immediately a no-fly zone is needed throughout Turkey, with all the consequences.

      So right away, and "FLIGHTLESS OVER ALL TURKEY"? ..
      technically - DO NOT GET ...
      yes, and WHY ?!
      But some sensitive lessons Turks NEED and can be taught!
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 24 November 2015 13: 24 New
    0
    Are they there, a tourist? Even in Turkey, this is not the season.
  • Mahmut
    Mahmut 24 November 2015 13: 26 New
    +1
    Gouging their airfields with calibers and declaring a no-fly zone over Syria and Turkey.
    1. The lead
      The lead 24 November 2015 14: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Mahmut
      Gouging their airfields with calibers and declaring a no-fly zone over Syria and Turkey.
      I support.A piece of one hundred cruise missiles will hit a hundred targets in Turkey, the diplomatic department will say that this is a tragic accident, there was a system failure in the software wassat .
  • Sam_gosling
    Sam_gosling 24 November 2015 13: 34 New
    -4
    For the dull, I remind you.
  • the most important
    the most important 24 November 2015 13: 39 New
    +8
    Quote: Enot_33
    Ambassador to the carpet. Evacuation of tourists. Further on the situation.

    Erdogan surrender to the Kurds! Turkey must cease to exist ... part of Greece, the straits of Russia, part of Kurdistan and a bit of Turks to leave ... somewhere in the mountains.
    1. scrap123
      scrap123 24 November 2015 13: 46 New
      17
      mountains to armenians
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      2. alexej123
        alexej123 24 November 2015 14: 24 New
        +7
        For Ararat, Armenians will flood Russia with brandy. Let's get drunk.
        1. PQ-18
          PQ-18 24 November 2015 14: 46 New
          +3
          For Ararat, Armenians will flood Russia with brandy. Let's get drunk.

          Armenians and WITHOUT Ararat have long flooded Russia with Ararat .. laughing
  • oldav
    oldav 24 November 2015 13: 47 New
    +6
    Turk can be understood! In 300 exploded fuel trucks were their citizens 100-200 people that's for sure. They lost free oil and a gain on resale.
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    2. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 24 November 2015 14: 09 New
      18
      .... Turks can be understood! ...

      .... Do not understand them !!!! .... They are like pharmacists - they buy stolen goods (by the way from the Syrian and Iraqi people) ..... Thieves and their accomplices cannot be understood !!!! lol
    3. alexej123
      alexej123 24 November 2015 14: 35 New
      0
      Where does infa come from? OBS?
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    5. gladcu2
      gladcu2 24 November 2015 14: 53 New
      +1
      oldav

      It’s impossible to understand.
  • 222222
    222222 24 November 2015 13: 55 New
    +3
    Enot_33 (1) SU Today, 13:14 ↑
    1. The blows of Russian aviation violated the plans of Turkey and Erdogan ..
    2. VVP is on a working visit to the Third Summit of the Forum of Gas Exporting Countries
    -In Tehran, Vladimir Putin held talks with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

    November 23, 2015 http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50770
    - Conversation with Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei

    November 23, 2015, 15:10 http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50745


    3. Turkey - Iran: "Eternal" rivalry ????
    ..turk and went on ... boarding ..
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: 222222
      Turks and went on ... boarding ..

      Soon the anniversary of the Sinop battle, when the Turkish fleet was defeated by our fleet under the command of Admiral Nakhimov. It is necessary to mark this day with something ... to remind the Turks of their place.
  • Kaccad
    Kaccad 24 November 2015 14: 04 New
    31
    Like a bag over the head ...
    Initially, it was clear that losses are possible, BUT not so !! Not a country that “strives to join the EU,” not a country that “supports the Turkish stream,” not a country of “jeans and leather jackets,” not a country of “a favorite vacation spot for Russians.”
    So - this is not a country !!!! This is a terrorist organization.
    This ter. the organization does not even consider it necessary to somehow veil the situation, but addresses directly (like all similar groups) to its masters in NATO. Who after that, can just THINK !, that they are our "friends".
    I don’t know what he will undertake by the “commander in chief”, but he must understand very well that if he slows it down, then everything that he has done before is leveled by this one airplane, and he will appear as the usual “hero” of the proverb “Well done, in the middle sheep, and well done, so the sheep himself. " I sincerely hope that this will not happen, and Russia will find a DECENT solution, as during these two years.
    PS Like a bag ...
    I wish loved ones not to lose hope !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PPS A TTG (Turkish terrorist group) from me now neither the ruble nor the "half" will not wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    2. alexej123
      alexej123 24 November 2015 14: 42 New
      +3
      Good koment, I support. To the relatives and friends of the pilots - we are also worried about them, everything will be fine.
  • brr1
    brr1 24 November 2015 14: 05 New
    +3
    What for to evacuate them, ILs with weapons there and let the partisans before the arrival of the main forces.
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 November 2015 14: 48 New
      +1
      Damn I'm for it. Urgently to Turkey and partisan.
  • Maxom75
    Maxom75 24 November 2015 14: 28 New
    +9
    It is necessary to make clear to Erdogan that he is not a sultan, but a hysterical coward. It’s necessary to take out all the tourists and the ban on travel to Turkey, no Turkish flow, no gas discounts, restore the visa regime, if you don’t understand what you’ve done and will not apologize with compensation for the cost of the plane and a million dollars for the health of each pilot, then sanctions enter on it.
  • Maxom75
    Maxom75 24 November 2015 14: 28 New
    +1
    It is necessary to make clear to Erdogan that he is not a sultan, but a hysterical coward. It’s necessary to take out all the tourists and the ban on travel to Turkey, no Turkish flow, no gas discounts, restore the visa regime, if you don’t understand what you’ve done and will not apologize with compensation for the cost of the plane and a million dollars for the health of each pilot, then sanctions enter on it.
  • GradusHuK
    GradusHuK 24 November 2015 14: 42 New
    +1
    Debt by payment is red! For all of our partners, you will keep the answer.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 24 November 2015 14: 44 New
    +1
    This is a version of the route of the planes from the British
  • Boatsman_Palych
    Boatsman_Palych 24 November 2015 15: 32 New
    +1
    Plus, the abolition of a visa-free regime, the abolition of the South Stream and the termination of trade with the Turks in general - let Eodogan be accountable to the people for deflection under pin.s
  • Boatsman_Palych
    Boatsman_Palych 24 November 2015 15: 32 New
    0
    Plus, the abolition of a visa-free regime, the abolition of the South Stream and the termination of trade with the Turks in general - let Eodogan be accountable to the people for deflection under pin.s
  • shershen
    shershen 24 November 2015 16: 01 New
    +1
    Yes, perhaps now the Russians should not fly to Turkey.
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 24 November 2015 18: 01 New
    +2
    It's a challenge. I'd like to see in reality:
    1. The ban on visiting citizens of the Russian Federation in Turkey.
    2. Termination of all joint commercial projects.
    3. Termination of admission of Turkish citizens to the territory of Russia.
    4. The maximum reduction in the length of stay now in Russia.
    The only way. Tough and without regard to business and political curtsies.
    And if blackmail with straits begins, then the severance of diplomatic relations and all kinds of support for the Kurds, including weapons.
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 24 November 2015 19: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Enot_33
    Ambassador to the carpet. Evacuation of tourists. Further on the situation.

    Urgently take measures to counter Turkish air defense, with a warning that if a suspicion of an attack is suspected, all threats will be immediately destroyed without warning !!! am
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 25 November 2015 10: 11 New
    0
    Actually, this is an expected provocation. A few days ago, Hakan Fidan (head of MIT - Turkish intelligence) openly threatened Russia.

    Here the question is an adequate answer. Turks precisely want to provoke Russia. The question is that nobody will ever harness for Turkey. Erdogan's provocation is his personal initiative, I do not think that it was agreed with the United States.
    1. AlexeyL
      AlexeyL 26 November 2015 11: 12 New
      0
      The initiative may be personal, but the results are American.
      In all Turkish wars, the British stood behind the Turks, in this case most likely the Americans.
      Europe announced sanctions to us, and now we ourselves are forced to break off relations with Turkey. whose interest is it?
      As I see it, they are trying to drag Russia into any armed conflict in any way, which will subsequently be dragged out as much as possible.
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 24 November 2015 13: 17 New
    72
    The Turks already otmazyvatsya that they warned 10 times, pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without a word smoked, I have bad feelings about something.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 24 November 2015 13: 23 New
      33
      Quote: 79807420129
      The Turks already otmazyvatsya that they warned 10 times, pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without a word smoked, I have bad feelings about something.
      It is necessary to bomb 10 Turkish air defense airfields with F 16 and say that there are ten warnings not to shoot down our planes.
      1. Altona
        Altona 24 November 2015 13: 33 New
        13
        Quote: Kil 31
        It is necessary to bomb 10 Turkish air defense airfields with F 16 and say that there are ten warnings not to shoot down our planes.

        -------------------------
        Do not ... Suppress Turkish anti-aircraft defense with electronic warfare, and other such asymmetric answers ... And why did the bomber go without fighter cover?
        1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
          Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 24 November 2015 14: 11 New
          +8
          Quote: Altona
          Suppress Turkish air defense means EW


          The question is, but where was our EW, which covers the airspace? Where was the EW of the aircraft, and if he was not equipped with EW, then who will answer for it from the generals?
      2. askort154
        askort154 24 November 2015 14: 23 New
        +5
        Kil 31 ..... We must bomb 10 Turkish air defense airfields with F 16 and say ten warnings not to shoot down our planes.

        Ten a lot. I would give Shoigu in place, give the command - send one “Caliber” to the F-16-based airfield tonight,
        just one. After the progress report, he waved his hand and said - now let the politicians understand. I reported to the Commander-in-Chief, forgive me, otherwise I could not, this is my job! soldier
        I'm sure he would forgive him. But as they say, dreaming is not harmful.
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        2. alexej123
          alexej123 24 November 2015 14: 45 New
          +3
          Or, as in T. Clancy’s book, to set the board number of the F-16 and destroy it, it is best in flight, then say that they warned, but ...
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 24 November 2015 13: 23 New
      +8
      Quote: 79807420129
      The Turks already otmazyvatsya that they warned 10 times, pure provocation, Erdogan does not go to the toilet without a word smoked, I have bad feelings about something.


      Even so. And exactly the plane was in Turkish territory? Something is in big doubt.
    3. provincial
      provincial 24 November 2015 13: 27 New
      19
      Horseradish with the Turks, as our leadership will otmazyvatsya it is more interesting.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 24 November 2015 13: 39 New
        +2
        Most likely they will be excused, as always streamlined. I didn’t want to, but it turned out ambiguous, but the truth itself climbs.
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      3. the most important
        the most important 24 November 2015 14: 00 New
        +5
        Quote: provincial
        Horseradish with the Turks, as our leadership will otmazyvatsya it is more interesting.

        This is a natural personal spit ... to see at the summit agreed with the black man.
    4. 222222
      222222 24 November 2015 13: 35 New
      12
      79807420129 SU Today, 13:17 ↑ New
      The Turks are already otmazyvayut ... ""
      ..This example = violation of airspace over the Aegean Sea by both the Greek Air Force aircraft and the Turkish Air Force aircraft are regular. But the matter does not come to the use of weapons ..
      .27.10.2015. "" Twenty Turkish Air Force aircraft invaded Greek airspace

      Media clarify that Turkish aircraft were found in the northeast, southeast and central Aegean.

      Twenty Turkish aircraft on Monday violated the rules in the Athens Flight Information Zone (FIR Athens) and Greek airspace over the Aegean Sea, RIA Novosti reported with reference to several Greek media. There is no official confirmation of this information yet.

      "Five groups of 14 aircraft, as well as 6 separate aircraft, committed 15 violations and 31 more violations," writes, in particular, the influential Greek newspaper Kathimerini.

      Media clarify that Turkish aircraft were found in the northeast, southeast and central Aegean.

      According to the General Staff of the Greek Air Force, for eight months of 2015, from January to August, 1306 airspace violations were recorded by 101 grouping of military aircraft. Including there were 28 flights over the territory of Greece. "" "
      1. Pulya
        Pulya 24 November 2015 16: 34 New
        +2
        Putin has just appeared on Channel 2 ... A big response is brewing along the way!
        GDP directly indicated - Turkey is in the same harness with ISIS ...
        So have to wet
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 24 November 2015 13: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: 79807420129
      Turks are already otmazyvatsya that warned 10 times, pure provocation,



      10 times in five minutes ...

      I tried to pronounce the phrase: “I demand to leave the airspace” 10 times .... Well, you just have to hammer it almost with a tongue twister ... And in what language, in Turkish ???
    6. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 24 November 2015 14: 12 New
      11
      .... The Turks already otmazyvatsya that warned 10 times, clean water ...

      ..... There the Turks laid out the flight path of the downed plane ..... If it was in the Turkish airspace (there is one “appendix”, it only takes a few seconds ..... And during this time, 10 times to warn - unrealistic ..... they hang noodles .... Like shy dogs - they created, and the point shrank ....
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 November 2015 14: 18 New
        14
        Quote: aleks 62 next
        If it was located in the airspace of Turkey (there is one “appendix” there, then only a few seconds


        it will not play a role in international chatter - the Turks will say - there was a violation.
        I say again - the problem is where the living pilot is now.
        1. godun
          godun 24 November 2015 15: 24 New
          +3
          I agree with you, now the main thing is to pull out a living pilot.
        2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
          Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 24 November 2015 17: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          the problem is where is the live pilot now


          One of the military leaders of the Syrian Turkmen declared that his people had shot both pilots of the Russian Su-24 after they had ejected and landed with parachutes. Reported by Reuters.
          Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2861241
      2. atalef
        atalef 24 November 2015 14: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: aleks 62 next
        If it was located in the airspace of Turkey (there is one “appendix” there, then only a few seconds


        it will not play a role in international chatter - the Turks will say - there was a violation.
        I say again - the problem is where the living pilot is now.
      3. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 24 November 2015 16: 03 New
        +1
        our president has just called the leadership of Turkey accomplices of terrorists, and a downed plane hit us in the back. He also said that the pilot was not warned and all this will have consequences. hard. but what next?
        1. 3officer
          3officer 24 November 2015 16: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Russiamoya
          our president has just called the leadership of Turkey accomplices of terrorists, and a downed plane hit us in the back. He also said that the pilot was not warned and all this will have consequences. hard. but what next?


          After the drone shot down by the Turks earlier, the call of our ambassador (the Turks made it clear that they are capable of more), the authorities most likely began work on options for "exquisite" responses.
  • Russian Moldavian
    Russian Moldavian 24 November 2015 13: 18 New
    28
    there the battle goes on at the crash site, for our falcons, like the VKS turntables are being pulled,
  • Atrix
    Atrix 24 November 2015 13: 19 New
    +6
    I think nothing will follow. The Foreign Ministry will express dissatisfaction and this will end
    1. Monos
      Monos 24 November 2015 13: 33 New
      36
      No, comrades. I'm afraid this is WAR. Janissaries tangled the coast. Today it’s impossible to forgive!
      1. the most important
        the most important 24 November 2015 14: 02 New
        10
        Quote: Monos
        No, comrades. I'm afraid this is WAR. Janissaries tangled the coast. Today it’s impossible to forgive!

        Forgiving means bending! And in the east it is absolutely impossible to bend!
      2. Rrrj
        Rrrj 24 November 2015 14: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Monos
        No, comrades. I'm afraid this is WAR. Janissaries tangled the coast. Today it’s impossible to forgive!

        I support in every way - insolent board - you can’t forgive this!
  • Terminolol
    Terminolol 24 November 2015 13: 24 New
    31
    I think now it is primarily worried about the fate of the pilots. The main thing is that the men would be all right! Waiting for the news!
  • Aroma77
    Aroma77 24 November 2015 13: 26 New
    0
    According to the second, they say that he died.
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  • Saburo
    Saburo 24 November 2015 13: 38 New
    +6


    Allegedly the body of a Russian pilot. The second was really captured.
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 24 November 2015 13: 43 New
      +4
      I think guys that all 10 warnings of the Turks on air-to-air missiles wrote and ... How would there be no war?
    2. kit-kat
      kit-kat 24 November 2015 14: 40 New
      +3
      Even this will not stop you from visiting the Turkish coast?
  • Irokez
    Irokez 24 November 2015 13: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Aslan88
    One pilot captured by the Turkman. So said from the RBC Channel.

    One pilot seems to have died and there is even a video if this is the moment. Could moderate and immediately kill more in the air.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNo_wFT_aD4
    1. Saburo
      Saburo 24 November 2015 14: 00 New
      +4
      Two parachutes were shown in the photo. I don’t know how the ejection seats work on aircraft with a tandem crew, but I think both pilots should be conscious. It would be useful to clarify this with local pilots.
      So it is possible that the second pilot was killed on the ground. Of course, he may have died and from injuries while descending.
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 24 November 2015 14: 52 New
        +3
        .... So it is possible that the second pilot was killed on the ground ....


        .... It looks like this ..... There is no parachute nearby (in the video), and the parachute suspension has been removed ... The eye has swum ... And another ....
  • BIA29-80
    BIA29-80 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
    10
    We contain the Turks themselves .. and now we complain .. I agree to close the exit to them .. to the resorts
  • REXSTORZ
    REXSTORZ 24 November 2015 14: 58 New
    +1
    2 say died with. critters
  • Skif83
    Skif83 24 November 2015 15: 58 New
    +3
    the Russian crew managed to eject, and one of the pilots is in the hands of the "local Turkmen tribes." Turkish media have not yet reported on the fate of the second pilot
    So the time has come to work on SPN GRU.
    Pilots to pick up, Tureks (even if they are Turkmen, essence, Türks) multiply by zero!
    Tureks arrange a boycott of tourism.
    Support the Kurds, incl. and weapons.
    To warn that everything that will threaten our VKS will be destroyed, wherever it is!
  • Spnsr
    Spnsr 24 November 2015 23: 02 New
    0
    there is no video on this, but in one video you can hear silk next to the shooter, like on a professional camera.
    one gets the impression that it was specially staged and put on display, awaiting a reaction!
    we are waiting too! among other things, the Turks hike cast a rod associated with pan-Turkism !!!
    but in general, s.ts.uk.i. they are! unexpectedly, in the back, there isn’t even a comparison, even animals if they hit in the back, but you know that this attack should be, this animal is so arranged!
    and these!? they themselves give a definition, and let it remain in the memory of our descendants, how low and vile the closest neighbors can be!
    these are not the descendants of Ataturk, and especially those who captured Constantinople and terrified Europe, they are vile, low reptiles, licking a thick rear pin. dos.
    I won’t be surprised if the Turk becomes a household name, vile, beating in the back like a Turk ...
  • sever.56
    sever.56 24 November 2015 13: 09 New
    102
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/146/hqfn851.png

    Few doubts that our bombing of oil fields, oil refineries and columns with oil and oil products is ruined by the well-functioning Turkish business of buying these products for pennies, in comparison with market prices. Plus, Assad flew Qatar with his idea of ​​laying a gas pipeline through Syria. Even faith for these "businessmen" is the tenth matter. Only money, money and money.
    Our downed plane is revenge for the ruined oil business and an attempt to take "weakly", to test our reaction to the downed plane. It is difficult to find a way out of this situation, but it is impossible to forgive. The reaction should be, and what it will be - decide at the top. You can, for example, cover the tourist shop with the Turks, they receive huge money from Russian tourists. You can live without Antalya, for some time, until you come to your senses, and understand that it’s more expensive to offend Russia ...
    1. Aslan88
      Aslan88 24 November 2015 13: 21 New
      +2
      In fact, this is a Sufi in Turkey and not a daesh.
      1. Good me
        Good me 24 November 2015 13: 36 New
        16
        Quote: Aslan88
        In fact, this is a Sufi in Turkey and not a daesh.


        Horseradish radish is not sweeter yes

        Good terrorists - in good pork skins, bad - in bad ...
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 24 November 2015 21: 20 New
        0
        But what difference does it make for ALL ALL SHAITAN and those who support them. And the Turks proved themselves JAKALS. Boys, if everything protrudes below your belt there, the cruiser "Moscow" is nearby. He has for your ass air defense systems just worn out. What are you afraid of? And why did the jackals immediately rush into NATO? You have been crap in Chechen companies. Representatives of the Turkish LGBT community were especially "touched" by staging a rally at the consulate, as if a Russian plane had shot down a Turkish one. LGBTists and JACKALS. And what kind of representative of the minority's hearts did he embrace the militants so tenderly?
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 24 November 2015 13: 25 New
      34
      Erdogan started a very muddy “game” .. under the cover of NATO he does his dark deeds .. and there will be a double-edged sword, or NATO supports the actions of Turkey and it turns out igil, because then it’s impossible to talk about the coalition against the igil, the French then ? for igil? or for Turkish NATO?
      In general, the situation is not simple ... but it was expected ... Erdogan clearly made it clear that he would definitely take the chance to bring down an airplane of the Russian Federation and even if he shot down over Syrian territory .. he generally risks little (as he believes) .. But what will Turkish partners consider in the future? Erdogan tired of many ...
      In general, we will wait for the performance of the GDP, the GDP has declared war on the igil and he will make a decision, he is aware of / aware of the risks and knows everything better than ours ...
      Now I hope for one thing - that our "rescuers" would work as clearly as possible and rescue the pilots.
      PS
      Now is not a tour season ... but I hope that Turkey will at least come back financially (not only due to tourism, how many terrorist attacks were there, maybe the same Germans do not want to go to a hot spot) ... and I hope that I will not will be able to arrange a hot war with the wrong hands with Russia and even these damn straits .....
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 24 November 2015 13: 27 New
      33
      In fact, the first Germans in tourism there, ours somewhere had a fourth place. Yes, and the season has already passed, so only the next year if ... But over Syria, you must accurately shoot down everything that flies without permission.
      1. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 24 November 2015 16: 10 New
        +4
        Yes, everything should be in the compartment. embargo on manufactured goods (we have Turkish goods and clothes - every second item is on the counter) and products from Turkey along with the tourist industry
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 24 November 2015 20: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Russiamoya
          Yes, everything should be in the compartment. embargo on manufactured goods (we have Turkish goods and clothes - every second item is on the counter) and products from Turkey along with the tourist industry

          About Turkish consumer goods has not yet been heard, but the news sounded. that tour operators stop selling permits to Turkey ...
    4. Albert1988
      Albert1988 24 November 2015 13: 31 New
      23
      Quote: sever.56
      Our downed plane is revenge for the ruined oil business and an attempt to take "weakly", to test our reaction to the downed plane.

      My opinion is only one option of an adequate answer - to repeatedly increase the bombing of oil facilities and columns, let them choke on their revenge ..
      And, of course, powerful pressure on the diplomatic front ...
    5. alexej123
      alexej123 24 November 2015 14: 50 New
      +3
      I need to convey his greetings from Yandarbiev, weighing about a kilogram of 2 in TNT equivalent. GRU, TsSN, "Barrier" - your turn to exit.
    6. alexej123
      alexej123 24 November 2015 14: 51 New
      +1
      I need to convey his greetings from Yandarbiev, weighing about a kilogram of 2 in TNT equivalent. GRU, TsSN, "Barrier" - your turn to exit.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 13: 09 New
    36
    Data from the radars to the studio and from ours too.
    1. Good me
      Good me 24 November 2015 13: 31 New
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Data from the radars to the studio and from ours too.


      And soon, I would like ... So that in the Moscow Region they would not pull an ox for what he does not have ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 13: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: Good I


        And soon, I would like ... So that in the Moscow Region they would not pull an ox for what he does not have ...

        Now the meeting is in progress in the Moscow Region.
        1. Good me
          Good me 24 November 2015 13: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Now the meeting is in progress in the Moscow Region.


          Briefing, according to the results, is not planned? And then, here the video is already laid out, with our pilot allegedly killed ...

          I think the severity of the moment is yet to come ...
  • Finches
    Finches 24 November 2015 13: 09 New
    29
    Casus belli - smacks of ...
    1. avt
      avt 24 November 2015 13: 12 New
      20
      Quote: Finches
      Casus belli - smacks of ...

      no The answer for the lost loot during the destruction of Turkish fuel trucks. Sun is repeated, like in Afghanistan with packs, when they were on duty along the border and brought down the Afghan Su-22 and Rutsky, the latter two times.
      1. Finches
        Finches 24 November 2015 13: 16 New
        16
        We are waiting for the reaction of the Supreme ...!
      2. Freelancer7
        Freelancer7 24 November 2015 13: 21 New
        +5
        Rutskoi was not intercepted, he was thrown from the ground, for he pulled to the last and struck from extremely low heights (kamikaze style). But in fact, ours really turned off the birch, so that it wouldn’t press on the brains, because they were escorted at the border.
        1. avt
          avt 24 November 2015 13: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: Freelancer7
          Rutskoi was not intercepted, he was thrown from the ground,

          wassat Yah !?? Do you want to refresh his PERSONAL interview on this topic? Well, then what would you not require from me confirming links to facts. laughing
    2. spiriolla-45
      spiriolla-45 24 November 2015 13: 15 New
      61
      Yes it doesn’t smell, but you need to answer. Turks, like all animals, understand only brute force, preferably with particular cruelty. For follow-up will follow, from impunity.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 13: 18 New
        17
        Quote: spiriolla-xnumx
        y, preferably with particular cruelty.

        Nuclear strike on Ankara will suit you?
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 24 November 2015 13: 25 New
          14
          Me yes. Missing Strategic Missile Forces miss business.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 13: 43 New
            0
            Quote: EvilLion
            Me yes. Missing Strategic Missile Forces miss business.

            Doesn’t a retaliatory nuclear strike by you?
            1. Yorgven
              Yorgven 24 November 2015 14: 17 New
              +8
              I’m not there, the Yankees will not receive a retaliatory nuclear strike because of the stupid black-asses that they themselves sucked up ... And do not care for them to do this, it was created for other purposes ... Whatever, they didn’t tell silly European hamsters.
            2. godun
              godun 24 November 2015 15: 50 New
              0
              I agree with you, that’s why these descendants of the Janissaries are so brave
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        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 24 November 2015 13: 47 New
          +4
          Now I’m writing with hot, but honestly. Alexander, I would have been satisfied with a massive advanced nuclear strike against the United States, so at least some chance of Russia’s survival would have remained.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 13: 59 New
            -1
            Quote: lis-ik
            Now I’m writing with hot, but honestly. Alexander, I would have been satisfied with a massive advanced nuclear strike against the United States, so at least some chance of Russia’s survival would have remained.

            I'm afraid if this happens, then you only hearing that our missiles flew to the United States, put on your pants right before you reach the toilet.
            Sorry for the straightforwardness.
            1. lis-ik
              lis-ik 24 November 2015 14: 27 New
              +6
              I can’t do it, I’m far from a schoolboy, by and large, there’s nothing to lose too much, but I’ll experience a lasting feeling of deep satisfaction!
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            3. perm23
              perm23 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
              +2
              I honestly will not write. useless . To the store for vodka and all. I’ll sit with my wife and child. run it then.
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 24 November 2015 21: 33 New
                0
                I am also with vodka. I drank for the kingdom of heaven to the deceased and for the health of the second pilot. Lord, give strength to the family of our guys.
          2. Hello
            Hello 24 November 2015 14: 01 New
            +9
            Quote: lis-ik
            Now I’m writing with hot, but honestly. Alexander, I would have been satisfied with a massive advanced nuclear strike against the United States, so at least some chance of Russia’s survival would have remained.

            I think after this blow the chance to survive will not remain for anyone on the planet.
            1. lis-ik
              lis-ik 24 November 2015 14: 28 New
              +2
              This is somewhat exaggerated.
        3. adept666
          adept666 24 November 2015 13: 48 New
          16
          Nuclear strike on Ankara will suit you?

          To begin with, I’m thinking of declaring a high combat readiness mode and putting the Strategic Rocket Forces in combat positions. Pause so that those who need to see / hear it. Then the ultimatum of Turkey: 30 hours to justify their actions with all possible evidence (if they prove that ours was allowed, then let them live on, if it turns out that they made something huge compensation), if not, we will consider a declaration of war from which a massive a nuclear missile strike on the infrastructure of the Turkish Armed Forces and those who fit into them. Everyone on the knife otherwise there will be no respect ...
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            1. adept666
              adept666 24 November 2015 14: 47 New
              +5
              It’s tough but right - I just wrote recently - that I feel something was wrong .. m ... I’m like our peaceful life did not end ...
              In this case, softer will only get worse. They want to fight, we will fight ... by all means available. The Su-24, even if it violated their borders and even if it did not respond to requests, did not represent any danger to Turkey, the Turks knew this perfectly. Such situations are resolved simply by a plane of the country's air force flying to the intruder and visually contacting him and only if such a step is deliberately ignored - weapons are used, a common practice for everyone who does not want war, and in this case we were given a slap in the face and immediately ran to call for help of a big brother (consultations of the UN and NATO). Such actions should be regarded as declaring war and acting according to military doctrine.
        4. Pulya
          Pulya 24 November 2015 16: 47 New
          +1
          Alexander Romanov
          Why jerk ...
          In this situation, you need to answer adequately ... knock a couple of three F 16 ... to begin with.
          1. 3officer
            3officer 24 November 2015 16: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Pulya
            Alexander Romanov
            Why jerk ...
            In this situation, you need to answer adequately ... knock a couple of three F 16 ... to begin with.


            Well, or the version of the "Air Force of the Syrian Arab Republic" shot down Turkish F- in the Syrian airspace naturally, after 16 warnings. But this is the most commonplace.
        5. Retvizan 8
          Retvizan 8 24 November 2015 20: 32 New
          0
          Guys, but these are not our methods!
      2. maiman61
        maiman61 24 November 2015 13: 33 New
        13
        If we don’t answer symmetrically, then we are buried!
    3. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 24 November 2015 13: 17 New
      14
      And can black boxes record these warnings? It’s understandable, now everything is civil (not civilized, but such fool ) countries with an English accent will hold on to the Turks, is revenge for the broken-up oil in fuel trucks that we have prepared in return? How can these wise men prove otherwise if this is a provocation and they are tuned to their inspection result, because in the case of Boeing in Ukraine still many evidence was not provided from the Ukrainian side, which could shed light on the perpetrators of the murder, the West is silent about this, we are waiting for the howling of liberals about the Russian invaders, we are waiting for the howling of “civil countries" about the wrong Russian planes! hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 13: 29 New
        +7
        Quote: kot28.ru
        Can black boxes record these warnings?

        There will be no black boxes, the plane is in the militant zone.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 24 November 2015 13: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There will be no black boxes, the plane is in the militant zone.

          If we don’t answer symmetrically, then we are buried!


          Cheburashki are fruitful ... laughing
        2. Good me
          Good me 24 November 2015 13: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There will be no black boxes, the plane is in the militant zone.


          I definitely won’t say anything special. But somewhere, something “heard-read” that there are no such “boxes” on combat aircraft.

          Although, I may be wrong ...
        3. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 24 November 2015 13: 58 New
          0
          I will know ATP hi
  • avvg
    avvg 24 November 2015 13: 10 New
    21
    Another provocation on the account of the Turks.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 24 November 2015 13: 19 New
      +7
      Quote: avvg
      Another provocation on the account of the Turks.

      It looks like a crime .. if it’s not shot down over Turkish territories, then this is a formal reason for war .. the president is unlikely to do it, but the tourism industry of Turkey is determined to be in jeopardy, not counting other projects ..
      Perhaps revenge for the shot down last year by Carapace S - a Turkish reconnaissance aircraft ..
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 24 November 2015 15: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Quote: avvg
        Another provocation on the account of the Turks.

        It looks like a crime .. if it’s not shot down over Turkish territories, then this is a formal reason for war .. the president is unlikely to do it, but the tourism industry of Turkey is determined to be in jeopardy, not counting other projects ..
        Perhaps revenge for the shot down last year by Carapace S - a Turkish reconnaissance aircraft ..

        GDP begins to put emphasis - "it was a sneaky stab in the back, from the accomplices of terrorists - Turkey .. our planes did not threaten Turkey in any way ,,, these events will have the most serious consequences in relations with Turkey .."
        good Bravo Vladimir Vladimirovich ...
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 24 November 2015 13: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: avvg
      Another provocation on the account of the Turks.

      That provocation is for sure .. The video operator probably happened to be there, and the photojournalists clicked their cameras like crazy, you can hear the video. Now they warned about 10 times, it seems that someone shot down an unmanned aerial vehicle was also warned 10 times before they shot down 16. However, it turned out to be suspiciously intact after that attack.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 24 November 2015 13: 41 New
        +7
        The video operator probably happened to be there by accident, and the photo reporters clicked their cameras like crazy, you can hear the video.

        Ordinary "piano in the bushes." The most interesting is the picture quality ....
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 24 November 2015 14: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: avvg
      Another provocation on the account of the Turks.


      Hmm ... Either the Bosphorus needs a radical expansion, or the territory of Turkey needs a radical change ...
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 24 November 2015 14: 54 New
        0
        Do you propose to expand and name the "Strait named after Putin"?
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 24 November 2015 15: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: alexej123
          Do you propose to expand and name the "Strait named after Putin"?



          No, simpler, but much more significant ... Just "Russian" or "Russian" ...
          1. Good me
            Good me 24 November 2015 15: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: veksha50
            No, simpler, but much more significant ... Just "Russian" or "Russian" ...

            And how else to call the strait from the Russian Sea to the Mediterranean?
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 24 November 2015 20: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: Good I
              And how else to call the strait from the Russian Sea to the Mediterranean?



              Central Russian ... Great Russian ... Kaput America ... something like that, choose ...
              1. Good me
                Good me 24 November 2015 22: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: veksha50
                Quote: Good I
                And how else to call the strait from the Russian Sea to the Mediterranean?



                Central Russian ... Great Russian ... Kaput America ... something like that, choose ...


                With my comment I did not look for an alternative to the PERSPECTIVE name for the Russian Channel ...

                I completely agree with him. Although the options proposed by you are not very bad ...
          2. alexej123
            alexej123 24 November 2015 21: 34 New
            0
            Is accepted.
    4. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 24 November 2015 15: 26 New
      +1
      Well, what a provocation it is, this is already an act of war, at least for any independent and strong state. Most likely, this does not apply to the Russian Federation, therefore there will most likely be extreme anxiety, and perhaps even condemnation!
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 24 November 2015 13: 10 New
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    Means of objective control prove that the plane was shot down over the territory of Syria, and did not fly into Turkey. Min.Defenses of the Russian Federation.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 13: 12 New