In the Eastern District delivered mortars "Tulip"

Artillery units stationed in the Primorsky Territory received self-propelled Tulip mortars, reports MIC with reference to the district press service.

“The artillerymen of the SBR received more than ten 240-mm self-propelled mortars 2C4 Tulip,” the release reads.

"The self-propelled mortar 2C4 is the only mortar in the world of this caliber and has no analogues," the report says.

"The mortar is designed to destroy durable field structures, buildings adapted by the enemy for shelter, manpower and equipment," - said in the district.

Comments

[His]

Also good. The eastern border should be closed.

[Sasha 19871987]

powerful thing ... seen live ... next to this barrel you feel not quite comfortable

[alex-s]

I wonder what performance characteristics he has.

[ShturmKGB]

New or relocated from another HF? Generally released now?

[78bor1973]

Probably transferred from storage, 2C4 did not seem to be released since 1988, about 600 pieces were released!

[hydrox]

Good assembly!
Just something tells me that the mines for him will also be with a steering machine, correcting guidance in tandem with Glonass ...

[avt]

Quote: hydrox

Just something tells me that the mines for him will also be with a steering machine, correcting guidance in tandem with Glonass ...

To the one who prompts this, shake it off your shoulder. Look and find - there, from Soviet times, there was a laser firing range guided by a laser beam along the laser beam. A fly can be caught in the eye ... although with such a caliber and gj a fly .... ... I powerfully pushed it! But in Afghanistan they put it in heaps.

[hydrox]

Quote: avt

there from the Soviet era, a laser firing range

So this is somewhere the laser on the Yeroplan must have ...
And so add one more step, then the mine with this accelerator will almost rise into the near space, and then adjust it like Caliber :: at least on the map in memory, at least in coordinates ...
And it will fly not at 10 km, but at 100

[avt]

Quote: hydrox

So this is somewhere the laser on the Yeroplan must have ...

Come on ! It’s not necessary at all - it’s completely illuminated from the ground.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: hydrox

So this is somewhere the laser on the Yeroplan must have ...

Do not.

The 1K113 Smelchak complex includes: a 240-mm 3VF4 adjustable shot with a 3F5 HE shell, 1D15 laser target designator-range finder with 1F35K and 1A35I synchronization means.

Here is the principle of the complex:

And here is 1D15 itself:

[Now we are free]

Quote: sasha 19871987

powerful thing ... seen live ... next to this barrel you feel not quite comfortable

Greetings Alexander
Well, why is it uncomfortable "Babakhalka" is very cool, I learned about her and fell in love with her even in his youth, when he read a good and funny book "Weapons of Retribution" about the life of mortarmen. It is very good that such systems are supplied to the troops because they can still say their very weighty word. The conflict in Donbass has shown this. When upgrading the OMS of this machine, there really is no equal to it.
By the way, the aforementioned book describes a very interesting conversation, a veteran who arrived at the unit asked a question to the commander of one of the "Tulips"
-Son, and if the tank goes to you, how you will hit it with a mortar ...
-Ha ha Bat, yes no problem! We will fill up the mortar on its side and hit the tank with direct fire!
Grandfather was satisfied with the answer ...

P.S. And also "Tulip" can shoot nuclear weapons ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Now we are free

"Babakhalka" is very cool, I learned about her and fell in love with her even in his youth, when he read a good and funny book "Weapons of Retribution" about the life of mortarmen.

Yes, Divov described the life of the mortar men relishingly.

[alex86]

Quote: Now we are free

P.S. And also "Tulip" can shoot nuclear weapons ...

Hardly anyone remembered, but last year there was a similar (transfer to the Chinese border) information on "Peonies" - 203 mm with the possibility of using nuclear weapons ("Peonies" are also not a new development, also from stocks). And I see this as a certain system - since conventional forces on the eastern border are clearly insufficient, high-tech deployments - to weaken the west and south, and there is no surplus, they are deploying such systems for the potential ability to contain a massive invasion of a neighbor with tactical nuclear weapons, strategic use is to provoke a similar response ... Preparing for a tactical nuclear war (just in case)

[Lord of the Sith]

By the way, over the past 2 months, we noticed how many equipment are coming into the BBO, to any types of troops.

Quote: Sasha 19871987

powerful thing ... seen live ... next to this barrel you feel not quite comfortable

I can show you a photo. We had arrivals of 240 mm in Donetsk.

[Vadim237]

Vryatli 40 kilograms of TNT from the Tulip mine will make such a ditch.

[oldseaman1957]

Judging by the photo, the technique is new. So, again they decided to release these "flowers" to fear the foe. Good luck!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: oldseaman1957

Judging by the photograph, the technique is new.

Judging by the photo, either the storage base, or the museum, the harp has grown into the ground.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: oldseaman1957

Judging by the photograph, the technique is new. So, again decided to release

It doesn’t mean anything. The last Tulip came off the assembly line in 1988.

In our park on HH there are Grads of the 70s, they look like a needle, the fly did not sit. This in turn does not mean their further production.

[Good me]

Quote: Vladimirets

Judging by the photo, either the storage base, or the museum, the harp has grown into the ground.

This photo is, in general, a "leftist". Our authors sin by shoving any horrible photos into articles.

Here, fortunately, even though it's really "Tulip" ... And so, you live great, you could slip something incomprehensible.

[pv1005]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: oldseaman1957

Judging by the photograph, the technique is new.

Judging by the photo, either the storage base, or the museum, the harp has grown into the ground.

Quite right, the military-technical museum in the city of Tolyatti.

[just exp]

the tracks are clearly not new, and the emnip mortars themselves have not been released for a long time.
so most likely with BHVT.
I hope that at least new sighting equipment was installed for theoretically possible new mines. although I think that if it were so, they would write about it in an article.

[just exp]

and here with pedivikii took

Serial production of the 2S4 self-propelled mortar was deployed in 1972 at the Ural Transport Engineering Plant. As of 1972, the cost of one self-propelled artillery 2S4 was 210 thousand rubles. The 2B8 mortar was manufactured by the Lenin Perm Plant. 2C4 production continued until 1988, in just 17 years of production, 588 2B8 mortars were produced [1].

[SOKOL777]

On Wikipedia, everything is not always accurate.
Product 2B8 belongs to the Pion 203,2 mm self-propelled gun.

[Appraiser]

Technique cannot be judged by photographs! 2C4 withdrawn from service in NV not manufactured by industry, but located on storage bases.

[Skifotavr]

It is necessary to restore their production in a modernized version. And in my opinion they are now needed in the West.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Skifotavr

It is necessary to restore their production in a modernized version. And in my opinion they are now needed in the West.

There is no point in allocating considerable funds for the production of complexes of the 70s, and even investing time and energy in the search for options for the technical modernization of the old platform.

It is more advisable today to invest in the development of shells for various purposes with an active seeker. By the fact that tomorrow is their future.

And those 580 tulips that have already been created are quite enough for the defense of our state in cooperation with other types of weapons.

[Onotollah]

Quote: _Vladislav_

There is no point in allocating considerable funds for the production of complexes of the 70s

Tu-95 was born in 1951, but it seems to have shown itself well. Tu-160-1981.
The mortar idea is very robust, why bury good equipment ahead of time?

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Onotolle

The mortar idea is very robust, why bury good equipment ahead of time?

No way to bury, I didn’t offer this. And what has already been released is quite enough.
Well this is my subjective opinion. I'm just a supporter of precision missiles. Mortar weapons, as a purely ballistic free-falling type of weapon, have a vulnerability factor in their striking factor today, before such systems as the Israeli Dome. P.E. as I said, the future for high-precision weapons.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: _Vladislav_

Quote: Onotolle

The mortar idea is very robust, why bury good equipment ahead of time?

No way to bury, I didn’t offer this. And what has already been released is quite enough.
Well this is my subjective opinion. I'm just a supporter of precision missiles. Mortar weapons, as a purely ballistic free-falling type of weapon, have a vulnerability factor in their striking factor today, before such systems as the Israeli Dome. P.E. as I said, the future for high-precision weapons.

Guided munitions have been in service with these systems since the 80s. And they have shown themselves to be very effective. But they are guided with the help of laser illumination and therefore it would be very useful to supplement them with guided mines with satellite guidance, and equip the machines themselves with satellite navigation systems. The unique artillery system "Tulip" is made by the unparalleled power of ammunition (caliber 240mm) and the ability to throw them over mountains, buildings and other obstacles and into trenches (a mortar after all). So nothing can replace it. Among the disadvantages is the short range. It could be increased by simply lengthening the barrel of the gun, by analogy with how it was done on the Vena mortar self-propelled gun, the ancestor of which is the shorter-barreled landing force Nona.

[SOKOL777]

Quote: Skifotavr

they are now needed in the west.

Just in the West they are not needed.
Read the Military Doctrine more closely. It is written between the lines that there will be no close contact with NATO. 1941 will not be repeated.
We have systems on duty there that in a short time will radically solve the problem.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: SOKOL777

Quote: Skifotavr

they are now needed in the west.

Just in the West they are not needed.
Read the Military Doctrine more closely. It is written between the lines that there will be no close contact with NATO. 1941 will not be repeated.
We have systems on duty there that in a short time will radically solve the problem.

NATO can and will manage, but with all sorts of creeping "great ukrami" in the company with other rabble who like to bury themselves in the ground and build all sorts of dugouts, most likely will. Do you want to knock them out with operational tactical and cruise missiles?

[SOKOL777]

Quote: Skifotavr

Do you want to knock them out with their tactical and cruise missiles?

Quite the contrary. One mine half a quarter demolishes. You can not do this ...
There are other means for such purposes.

Do not worry about Ukraine ... I spoke about NATO.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: SOKOL777

Quote: Skifotavr

Do you want to knock them out with their tactical and cruise missiles?

Quite the contrary. One mine half a quarter demolishes. You can not do this ...
There are other means for such purposes.

Do not worry about Ukraine ... I spoke about NATO.

Well, half a block is an exaggeration. The 250-kilogram high-explosive bomb is much more powerful. Yes, I didn’t say that they should be used in the city. And what did you mean by the phrase "there are other means for such purposes"?

[Skifotavr]

By the way, I forgot to add right away that they were sent to the east on the command of a humpbacked man with a spot on his bald head, who was ordered by overseas partners just to be away from NATO.

[Tor5]

Colossal machine! Let's go to all the districts ... and more!

[His]

In general, there is also hyacinth (in Afghanistan it was called genocide), a good little thing.

[zanoza]

In fact, they were in the Far Eastern Military District in the district artillery brigade of high power.
He shot both with an ordinary mine and with special ammunition.
Restored forgotten and disbanded ?!

[War and Peace]

Is this new gun or removed from storage interesting? Which unit, what tasks? Who needs to be purchased?

[Victor62ru]

Yes, I do not envy those who fall under such shelling

[kit-kat]

This photo is from the Togliatti Museum))! In the background is visible submarine (tail).

[Dembel77]

You are absolutely right. This is a photo of the AvtoVAZ technical museum. Sakharov. But still, "Tulip" is a unique weapon.

[Dembel77]

I found a photo of the same installation, the tail number is the same as in the article - 312.

[shinobi]

And under this mortar there is a nuclear warhead. It is still in service, albeit an old one. From 500t to 25ct in TNT equivalent. Cheap and very angry.

[Furious bambr]

I wonder what performance characteristics he has

Caliber - 240mm (2B8 put on the tracks), shoots up to 10km with an ordinary mine (130kg !!!) and up to 20km active-reactive. Guided mine - up to 10km

Judging by the photo, the technique is new. So, again they decided to release these "flowers" to fear the foe. Good luck!

Hardly ... In storage until figs and more

[voyaka uh]

Why in the Primorsky Territory, and not straight
to Syria?
A handy thing to pick out militants
from the suburbs of Damascus.

[architect]

howitzers "msta" B 152 mm were brought to Syria

[Furious bambr]

powerful thing ... seen live ... next to this barrel you feel not quite comfortable

When fired, the sound of a bell is added to the sound of a charge - cool sensations, to the frost in the scrotum!

[Onotollah]

Quote: Furious Bambr

sound like a bell

Amazing flower !!!
http://rutube.ru/video/cac1e34b7351c26f15b72d0581d32f0f/

[SOKOL777]

Quote: Furious Bambr

the sound of a bell - cool sensations

He’s celebrating the wake ... (we have one observer said so ...)
Very effective in infantry and light armored vehicles.
When installing the fuse for fragmentation, the radius (!) Of the expansion of the fragments is 400 meters.
I was at ostentatious shooting.
I saw breaks from a distance of 1700 meters. It's something !!!
If the splinter does not fall, shell shock is guaranteed.
From 1700 meters I felt a shock wave in my body. The sound is like a peal of thunder. Before the sound of a burst, a shriek of fragments is heard.
With 12x binoculars you can see a mine on the entire flight path.

What is removed from storage, I will try to assume that something was developed for them ...
Large caliber, long barrel, high mobility. IL-76 at a time will transport 3 pieces to where it is necessary. Now you can shove a "cho hosh" into such a barrel ...
And the fact that the East is correct, there are fewer onlookers ...

So think, gentlemen forum users ...

[VadimSt]

ShturmKGB

Generally released now?

Why ask such questions if you can see everything for yourself!
A total of 588 was manufactured. According to 2013, of the 430 available in Russia, 410 was for long-term storage. Release discontinued in 1988.

[SOKOL777]

Quote: VadimSt

out of 430 available in Russia, 410 were in long-term storage.

The rest are in Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan. A bit in museums (Togliatti, St. Petersburg, Krasnogorsk)

In museums, as a rule, prototypes or decommissioned from the first issues.

As far as I know, because of the ability to use special ammunition, he never went for export and will not go.
"Business trips" with the crew, I think it is possible ... (guess where?)

[s.melioxin]

“The 2C4 self-propelled mortar is the only mortar in the world of this caliber and has no analogues”,

Know the adversaries, only with us. So, that "you" have one lab, lab. Everything will come in handy on the farm. If the path owner. Think those who have something to think.

[russmensch]

Damn, I don't understand the active joy of some about the delivery of "Tulip" to the Eastern District. I studied it back in the 70s. After all, it is intended for the artillery of the VK reserve. Well, big, well, caliber 240 mm. And the fact that in a firing position and back this lump is brought to a fucking cloud of time and the rate of fire of only 1 rpm does not mean anything? Serves shooting as many as 10 people - is this normal? Mine weight 130 kg.
Firing range of up to 20 km and then active-reactive. And just a simple mine at 9650 m.
By the way, when shooting such a mine, it is very clearly visible in flight from the place of the shot. Can shoot nuclear weapons? Yes it can, but imagine for a moment that the position of the self-propelled guns is located at least 5 km from the front line and floundered nuclear weapons. From the front to the epicenter will be only 10-15 km. subject to an active-reactive mine, while a simple one is even closer. And you are all at the very forefront. And what do you think, can the infantry come there?
And yes, it looks like a very formidable machine. Therefore, it is not clear why and against whom it will be involved there. In addition to the Chinese, I do not seem to be observing another enemy, but they are not opponents to us. Or are we getting ready?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: russmensch

Can shoot nuclear weapons? Yes it can, but imagine for a moment that the position of the self-propelled guns is located at least 5 km from the front line and floundered nuclear weapons. From the front to the epicenter will be only 10-15 km. subject to an active-reactive mine, while a simple one is even closer. And you are all at the very forefront. And what do you think, can the infantry come there?

Don't come. And drive through the area under the armor of BMPs and armored personnel carriers with the FVU on in an hour or two after the explosion. Do not forget that the "war atom" gives a much shorter-lived pollution than the "peaceful" one.
SBCHs for these mortars were made for a completely different war - with the concept "let’s throw one NBC each at the battalion defense point, and then the motor-mech troops will quickly slip through the infection zone".

Quote: russmensch

And yes, it looks like a very formidable machine. Therefore, it is not clear why and against whom it will be involved there. In addition to the Chinese, I do not seem to be observing another enemy, but they are not opponents to us. Or are we getting ready?

We do not want war, but we are ready to fight back. (C)

And for the BBO "tulip" - the very thing. There, and "genocides" with "shilka" still serve. Indeed, in those parts on the other side of the ribbon their contemporaries still fly and ride.

[pv1005]

Unfortunately you were taught shitty, or rather you studied shitty, since you don’t know and don’t understand the place and purpose of such weapons in battle.

[Denis DV]

This is a pressure cooker for boilers and boilers)))

[okroshka79]

The General Staff knows better why they put these mortars in the military. Do not forget that our armed forces, with their not very large numbers, must ensure the repulsion of aggression on our vast territory from any direction. Therefore, let the Far East work out. But WHEN it is necessary, can be transferred WHERE it is necessary. That is why the principle of our aircraft today and are built. Therefore, everything is correct.

[Old26]

ShturmKGB

New or relocated from another HF? Generally released now?

From storage bases

[berkut9737]

Looking at this machine you understand how our grandfathers suffered in the war. The main thing is that there is no war, they always repeated. In my opinion, "Tulip" corresponds to this doctrine - with such a formidable weapon, there will never be war.

[Janus]

- What do you want?! - prayed Oleg. - Annexation and indemnity? Remember, you can’t take the city. We will fight for every home.

“Why do I need your city?” I just ruin it to my mother’s edren and leave for myself. You can then fight at least for every broken brick.

Oleg squinted at the mortar.

- What is it? - he asked.

“Two es four.”
The caliber is two hundred and forty millimeters. The fugasca weighs one hundred and eighty kilos. And by the way, the active-reactive range
shell twenty kilometers. I’ll select an open place, stand on a hillock and start throwing until I go deaf. I’ll clean my ears and throw again.
Enough ammunition, I have a truck in the forest. And you can’t even come close to me. Even on his filthy “Betaer”. You know
what happens to a “baiter” when a land mine explodes about ten meters away? He flies head over heels. I do not advise you to be inside.
Oleg Divov
"The young and the strong will survive"

[Seraphimamur]

Such a mortar in addition to the "MSTA-B" to Syria.

[Zomanus]

Most likely, the shelf life of ammunition is coming to an end.
So we are waiting for large-scale exercises with the use of Tulips.
Take a look at how old jets conduct Marines at Pacific Fleet.
So I don’t see anything particularly joyful here.