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In the Eastern District delivered mortars "Tulip"

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Artillery units stationed in the Primorsky Territory received self-propelled Tulip mortars, reports MIC with reference to the district press service.




“The artillerymen of the SBR received more than ten 240-mm self-propelled mortars 2C4 Tulip,” the release reads.

"The self-propelled mortar 2C4 is the only mortar in the world of this caliber and has no analogues," the report says.

"The mortar is designed to destroy durable field structures, buildings adapted by the enemy for shelter, manpower and equipment," - said in the district.
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  1. His
    His 23 November 2015 17: 05 New
    +6
    Also good. The eastern border should be closed.
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 23 November 2015 17: 07 New
      10
      powerful thing ... seen live ... next to this barrel you feel not quite comfortable
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 23 November 2015 17: 08 New
        0
        I wonder what performance characteristics he has.
        1. ShturmKGB
          ShturmKGB 23 November 2015 17: 11 New
          16
          New or relocated from another HF? Generally released now?
          1. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 23 November 2015 17: 50 New
            +5
            Probably transferred from storage, 2C4 did not seem to be released since 1988, about 600 pieces were released!
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 23 November 2015 17: 11 New
        +1
        Good assembly!
        Just something tells me that the mines for him will also be with a steering machine, correcting guidance in tandem with Glonass ...
        1. avt
          avt 23 November 2015 17: 26 New
          +6
          Quote: hydrox
          Just something tells me that the mines for him will also be with a steering machine, correcting guidance in tandem with Glonass ...

          To the one who prompts this, shake it off your shoulder. laughing Look and find - there, from Soviet times, there was a laser firing range guided by a laser beam along the laser beam. A fly can be caught in the eye ... although with such a caliber and gj a fly .... wassat... I powerfully pushed it! wassat But in Afghanistan they put it in heaps.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 23 November 2015 17: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: avt
            there from the Soviet era, a laser firing range

            So this is somewhere the laser on the Yeroplan must have ...
            And so add one more step, then the mine with this accelerator will almost rise into the near space, and then adjust it like Caliber :: at least on the map in memory, at least in coordinates ...
            And it will fly not at 10 km, but at 100
            1. avt
              avt 23 November 2015 17: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: hydrox
              So this is somewhere the laser on the Yeroplan must have ...

              Come on ! It’s not necessary at all - it’s completely illuminated from the ground.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 23 November 2015 19: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: hydrox
              So this is somewhere the laser on the Yeroplan must have ...

              Do not.
              The 1K113 Smelchak complex includes: a 240-mm 3VF4 adjustable shot with a 3F5 HE shell, 1D15 laser target designator-range finder with 1F35K and 1A35I synchronization means.

              Here is the principle of the complex:

              And here is 1D15 itself:
      3. Now we are free
        Now we are free 23 November 2015 17: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        powerful thing ... seen live ... next to this barrel you feel not quite comfortable

        Greetings Alexander hi
        Well, why is it uncomfortable laughing “Babakhalka” very cool learned about her and fell in love with her as a young woman, when I read the good and funny book “Weapons of Retribution” about the life of mortar men. It is very good that such systems are delivered to the troops because they can still say their very significant word. The conflict in the Donbass has shown this. With the modernization of the SLA of this machine, it really has no equal.
        By the way, the above-mentioned book describes a very interesting conversation, a veteran who arrived at the unit asked a commander of one of the "Tulips" a question
        -Son, and if the tank goes to you, how you will hit it with a mortar ...
        -Ha ha Bat, yes no problem! We will fill up the mortar on its side and hit the tank with direct fire! wink
        Grandfather was satisfied with the answer ...

        P.S. And also "Tulip" can shoot nuclear weapons ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 November 2015 17: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Now we are free
          “Babakhalka” very cool learned about her and fell in love with her as a young woman, when I read the good and funny book “Weapons of Retribution” about the life of mortar men.

          Yes, Divov described the life of the mortar men relishingly. smile
        2. alex86
          alex86 23 November 2015 20: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Now we are free
          P.S. And also "Tulip" can shoot nuclear weapons ...

          It is unlikely that anyone remembered, but last year there was similar (transfer to the Chinese border) information on "Peonies" - 203 mm with the possibility of using nuclear weapons ("Peonies" is also not a new development, also from stocks). And I see this as a definite system - since conventional forces on the eastern border are clearly insufficient, high-tech forces are deployed to weaken the west and south, and there are no surpluses, such systems are being deployed for the potential to contain a massive invasion of a neighbor by tactical nuclear weapons, strategic to provoke a similar answer . Getting ready for a tactical nuclear war (just in case)
      4. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 23 November 2015 19: 04 New
        +8
        By the way, over the past 2 months, we noticed how many equipment are coming into the BBO, to any types of troops.

        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        powerful thing ... seen live ... next to this barrel you feel not quite comfortable

        I can show you a photo. We had arrivals of 240 mm in Donetsk.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 November 2015 21: 12 New
          0
          Vryatli 40 kilograms of TNT from the Tulip mine will make such a ditch.
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    2. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 23 November 2015 17: 10 New
      -1
      Judging by the photograph, the technique is new. So, they again decided to release these "flowers" in fear of adversary. Good luck!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 23 November 2015 17: 15 New
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        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Judging by the photograph, the technique is new.

        Judging by the photo, either the storage base, or the museum, the harp has grown into the ground. wink
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 23 November 2015 17: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          Judging by the photograph, the technique is new. So, again decided to release

          It doesn’t mean anything. The last Tulip came off the assembly line in 1988.

          In our park on HH there are Grads of the 70s, they look like a needle, the fly did not sit. This in turn does not mean their further production.
        2. Good me
          Good me 23 November 2015 19: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Judging by the photo, either the storage base, or the museum, the harp has grown into the ground.

          This photo is generally a leftist. The authors sin with us by shoving what horrible photos into articles.

          Here, fortunately, at least really “Tulip” ... And so, you live so well, you could slip something incomprehensible.
        3. pv1005
          pv1005 23 November 2015 22: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          Judging by the photograph, the technique is new.

          Judging by the photo, either the storage base, or the museum, the harp has grown into the ground. wink

          Quite right, the military-technical museum in the city of Tolyatti.
      2. just exp
        just exp 23 November 2015 17: 21 New
        +2
        the tracks are clearly not new, and the emnip mortars themselves have not been released for a long time.
        so most likely with BHVT.
        I hope that at least new sighting equipment was installed for theoretically possible new mines. although I think that if it were so, they would write about it in an article.
      3. just exp
        just exp 23 November 2015 17: 22 New
        +1
        and here with pedivikii took
        Serial production of the 2S4 self-propelled mortar was deployed in 1972 at the Ural Transport Engineering Plant. As of 1972, the cost of one self-propelled artillery 2S4 was 210 thousand rubles. The 2B8 mortar was manufactured by the Lenin Perm Plant. 2C4 production continued until 1988, in just 17 years of production, 588 2B8 mortars were produced [1].
        1. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 23 November 2015 22: 15 New
          0
          On Wikipedia, everything is not always accurate.
          Product 2B8 refers to the 203,2 mm self-propelled gun "Peony". yes
      4. Appraiser
        Appraiser 23 November 2015 17: 51 New
        +1
        Technique cannot be judged by photographs! 2C4 withdrawn from service in NV not manufactured by industry, but located on storage bases. soldier
    3. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 23 November 2015 17: 14 New
      +3
      It is necessary to restore their production in a modernized version. And in my opinion they are now needed in the West.
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 23 November 2015 17: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Skifotavr
        It is necessary to restore their production in a modernized version. And in my opinion they are now needed in the West.

        There is no point in allocating considerable funds for the production of complexes of the 70s, and even investing time and energy in the search for options for the technical modernization of the old platform.

        It is more advisable today to invest in the development of shells for various purposes with an active seeker. By the fact that tomorrow is their future.

        And those 580 tulips that have already been created are quite enough for the defense of our state in cooperation with other types of weapons.
        1. Onotollah
          Onotollah 23 November 2015 18: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          There is no point in allocating considerable funds for the production of complexes of the 70s

          Tu-95 was born in 1951, but it seems to have shown itself well. Tu-160-1981.
          The mortar idea is very robust, why bury good equipment ahead of time?
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 23 November 2015 18: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Onotolle
            The mortar idea is very robust, why bury good equipment ahead of time?

            No way to bury, I didn’t offer this. And what has already been released is quite enough.
            Well this is my subjective opinion. I'm just a supporter of precision missiles. Mortar weapons, as a purely ballistic free-falling type of weapon, have a vulnerability factor in their striking factor today, before such systems as the Israeli Dome. P.E. as I said, the future for high-precision weapons.
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 24 November 2015 00: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              Quote: Onotolle
              The mortar idea is very robust, why bury good equipment ahead of time?

              No way to bury, I didn’t offer this. And what has already been released is quite enough.
              Well this is my subjective opinion. I'm just a supporter of precision missiles. Mortar weapons, as a purely ballistic free-falling type of weapon, have a vulnerability factor in their striking factor today, before such systems as the Israeli Dome. P.E. as I said, the future for high-precision weapons.

              Guided munitions have been in service with these systems since the 80s. And they showed themselves very effectively. But they are induced by laser illumination, and therefore it would be very useful to supplement them with guided mines with satellite guidance, and equip the machines themselves with satellite navigation systems. The Tulip artillery system is made unique by its unmatched power of ammunition (240mm caliber) and the ability to throw it over mountains, buildings and other obstacles and into trenches (mortar after all). So you can not replace it with anything. Of the shortcomings - a short range. It could have been increased by simply lengthening the gun’s barrel by analogy with how it was done on the Vienna mortar self-propelled gun, the ancestor of which is the shorter-range landing Nona.
      2. SOKOL777
        SOKOL777 23 November 2015 22: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Skifotavr
        they are now needed in the west.


        Just in the West they are not needed.
        Read the Military Doctrine more closely. It is written between the lines that there will be no close contact with NATO. 1941 will not be repeated. negative
        We have systems on duty there that in a short time will radically solve the problem. angry
        1. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 24 November 2015 01: 05 New
          0
          Quote: SOKOL777
          Quote: Skifotavr
          they are now needed in the west.


          Just in the West they are not needed.
          Read the Military Doctrine more closely. It is written between the lines that there will be no close contact with NATO. 1941 will not be repeated. negative
          We have systems on duty there that in a short time will radically solve the problem. angry

          It can and will manage with NATO, but with all sorts of creeping "great Ukrainians" in the company with other rabble, who like to burrow into the ground and build all sorts of dugouts, most likely will be. Do you want to knock them out with their tactical and cruise missiles?
          1. SOKOL777
            SOKOL777 24 November 2015 01: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Skifotavr
            Do you want to knock them out with their tactical and cruise missiles?


            Quite the contrary. One mine half a quarter demolishes. You can not do this ... stop
            There are other means for such purposes.

            Do not worry about Ukraine ... I spoke about NATO.
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 24 November 2015 03: 49 New
              0
              Quote: SOKOL777
              Quote: Skifotavr
              Do you want to knock them out with their tactical and cruise missiles?


              Quite the contrary. One mine half a quarter demolishes. You can not do this ... stop
              There are other means for such purposes.

              Do not worry about Ukraine ... I spoke about NATO.

              Well, half a quarter is an exaggeration. The 250-kilogram high-explosive bomb is much more powerful. Yes, I did not say that they should be used in the city. And what did you mean by the phrase "there are other means for such purposes"?
              1. Skifotavr
                Skifotavr 24 November 2015 03: 59 New
                0
                By the way, I forgot to add right away that they were sent to the east on the command of a humpbacked man with a spot on his bald head, who was ordered by overseas partners just to be away from NATO.
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 23 November 2015 17: 20 New
      +2
      Colossal machine! Let's go to all the districts ... and more!
      1. His
        His 23 November 2015 17: 49 New
        0
        In general, there is also hyacinth (in Afghanistan it was called genocide), a good little thing.
    5. zanoza
      zanoza 23 November 2015 17: 25 New
      +7
      In fact, they were in the Far Eastern Military District in the district artillery brigade of high power.
      He shot both with an ordinary mine and with special ammunition.
      Restored forgotten and disbanded ?!
    6. War and Peace
      War and Peace 23 November 2015 17: 35 New
      0
      Is this new gun or removed from storage interesting? Which unit, what tasks? Who needs to be purchased?
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  2. Victor62ru
    Victor62ru 23 November 2015 17: 06 New
    0
    Yes, I do not envy those who fall under such shelling
  3. kit-kat
    kit-kat 23 November 2015 17: 07 New
    +3
    This photo is from the Togliatti Museum))! In the background is visible submarine (tail).
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 23 November 2015 17: 46 New
      +4
      You are absolutely right. This is a photo of the AvtoVAZ Technical Museum. Sakharov. But all the same, the "Tulip" weapon is unique.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 23 November 2015 17: 56 New
        +1
        I found a photo of the same installation, the tail number is the same as in the article - 312.
  4. shinobi
    shinobi 23 November 2015 17: 17 New
    +2
    And under this mortar there is a nuclear warhead. It is still in service, albeit an old one. From 500t to 25ct in TNT equivalent. Cheap and very angry.
  5. Furious bambr
    Furious bambr 23 November 2015 17: 24 New
    -1
    I wonder what performance characteristics he has

    Caliber - 240mm (2B8 put on the tracks), shoots up to 10km with an ordinary mine (130kg !!!) and up to 20km active-reactive. Guided mine - up to 10km
    Judging by the photograph, the technique is new. So, they again decided to release these "flowers" in fear of adversary. Good luck!

    Hardly ... In storage until figs and more
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 November 2015 17: 25 New
    +5
    Why in the Primorsky Territory, and not straight
    to Syria?
    A handy thing to pick out militants
    from the suburbs of Damascus.
    1. architect
      architect 23 November 2015 20: 02 New
      +1
      howitzer "MSTA" B 152 mm were imported to Syria
  7. Furious bambr
    Furious bambr 23 November 2015 17: 26 New
    0
    powerful thing ... seen live ... next to this barrel you feel not quite comfortable

    When fired, the sound of a bell is added to the sound of a charge - cool sensations, to the frost in the scrotum! smile
    1. Onotollah
      Onotollah 23 November 2015 18: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Furious Bambr
      sound like a bell

      Amazing flower !!!
      http://rutube.ru/video/cac1e34b7351c26f15b72d0581d32f0f/
    2. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 23 November 2015 23: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Furious Bambr
      the sound of a bell - cool sensations


      He’s celebrating the wake ... (we have one observer said so ...)
      Very effective in infantry and light armored vehicles.
      When installing the fuse for fragmentation, the radius (!) Of the expansion of the fragments is 400 meters.
      I was at ostentatious shooting.
      I saw breaks from a distance of 1700 meters. It's something !!!
      If the splinter does not fall, shell shock is guaranteed.
      From 1700 meters I felt a shock wave in my body. The sound is like a peal of thunder. Before the sound of a burst, a shriek of fragments is heard.
      With 12x binoculars you can see a mine on the entire flight path.

      What is removed from storage, I will try to assume that something was developed for them ...
      Large caliber, long barrel, high mobility. The IL-76 will transport 3 pieces at a time where necessary. Now you can shove "Cho Hosh" into such a barrel ... fellow
      And the fact that the East is correct, there are fewer onlookers ... bully

      So think, gentlemen forum users ...
  8. VadimSt
    VadimSt 23 November 2015 17: 28 New
    +1
    ShturmKGB
    Generally released now?

    Why ask such questions if you can see everything for yourself!
    A total of 588 was manufactured. According to 2013, of the 430 available in Russia, 410 was for long-term storage. Release discontinued in 1988.
    1. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 23 November 2015 23: 42 New
      0
      Quote: VadimSt
      out of 430 available in Russia, 410 were in long-term storage.


      The rest are in Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan. A bit in museums (Togliatti, St. Petersburg, Krasnogorsk)

      In museums, as a rule, prototypes or decommissioned from the first issues.

      As far as I know, because of the ability to use special ammunition, he never went for export and will not go.
      "Business trips" with the crew, I think it is possible ... (guess where?) wink
  9. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 23 November 2015 17: 29 New
    +1
    “The 2C4 self-propelled mortar is the only mortar in the world of this caliber and has no analogues”,
    Know the adversaries, only with us. So that "you" has one lab, lab. Everything will come in handy on the farm. If a traveling host. Think of those who have something to think about.
  10. russmensch
    russmensch 23 November 2015 18: 11 New
    +2
    Damn, I do not understand such an active joy of some about the delivery of the Tulip to the Eastern District. I studied it back in the 70s. It is intended for artillery reserve VK. Well big, well, caliber 240 mm. But the fact that in a firing position and vice versa, this laziness is brought to a damn cloud of time and the rate of fire of only 1 rpm does not mean anything? Serves shooting as many as 10 people - is this normal? Mines weight 130 kg.
    Firing range of up to 20 km and then active-reactive. And just a simple mine at 9650 m.
    By the way, when shooting such a mine, it is very clearly visible in flight from the place of the shot. Can shoot nuclear weapons? Yes it can, but imagine for a moment that the position of the self-propelled guns is located at least 5 km from the front line and floundered nuclear weapons. From the front to the epicenter will be only 10-15 km. subject to an active-reactive mine, while a simple one is even closer. And you are all at the very forefront. And what do you think, can the infantry come there?
    And yes, it looks like a very formidable machine. Therefore, it is not clear why and against whom it will be involved there. In addition to the Chinese, I do not seem to be observing another enemy, but they are not opponents to us. Or are we getting ready?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 November 2015 19: 08 New
      0
      Quote: russmensch
      Can shoot nuclear weapons? Yes it can, but imagine for a moment that the position of the self-propelled guns is located at least 5 km from the front line and floundered nuclear weapons. From the front to the epicenter will be only 10-15 km. subject to an active-reactive mine, while a simple one is even closer. And you are all at the very forefront. And what do you think, can the infantry come there?

      Do not come. And drive through the zone under the armor of the BMP and the armored personnel carrier with the FVU turned on an hour or two after the explosion. Do not forget that a “military atom” produces much shorter-lived pollution than a “peaceful one”.
      The UBCs for these mortars were made under a completely different war - with the concept of "let’s throw one NBC each at the battalion defense point, and then the motor-mech troops will quickly slip through the infection zone".
      Quote: russmensch
      And yes, it looks like a very formidable machine. Therefore, it is not clear why and against whom it will be involved there. In addition to the Chinese, I do not seem to be observing another enemy, but they are not opponents to us. Or are we getting ready?

      We do not want war, but we are ready to fight back. (C)

      And for the BBO "tulip" - that’s it. There, "genocides" with "shilka" still serve. After all, in those parts on the other side of the ribbon their contemporaries still fly and ride. smile
    2. pv1005
      pv1005 23 November 2015 23: 11 New
      0
      Unfortunately you were taught shitty, or rather you studied shitty, since you don’t know and don’t understand the place and purpose of such weapons in battle. hi
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    4. Denis DV
      Denis DV 24 November 2015 04: 04 New
      0
      This is a pressure cooker for boilers and boilers)))
  11. okroshka79
    okroshka79 23 November 2015 18: 39 New
    +1
    The General Staff knows better why they put these mortars in the military. Do not forget that our armed forces, with their not very large numbers, must ensure the repulsion of aggression on our vast territory from any direction. Therefore, let the Far East work out. But WHEN it is necessary, can be transferred WHERE it is necessary. That is why the principle of our aircraft today and are built. Therefore, everything is correct.
  12. Old26
    Old26 23 November 2015 19: 24 New
    0
    ShturmKGB
    New or relocated from another HF? Generally released now?

    From storage bases
  13. berkut9737
    berkut9737 23 November 2015 23: 38 New
    0
    Looking at this machine you understand how our grandfathers suffered in the war. The main thing is that there is no war, they always repeated. In my opinion, “Tulip” conforms to this doctrine - there will never be a war with such formidable weapons.
  14. Janus
    Janus 24 November 2015 00: 30 New
    0
    - What do you want?! - prayed Oleg. - Annexation and indemnity? Remember, you can’t take the city. We will fight for every home.

    “Why do I need your city?” I just ruin it to my mother’s edren and leave for myself. You can then fight at least for every broken brick.

    Oleg squinted at the mortar.

    - What is it? - he asked.

    “Two es four.”
    The caliber is two hundred and forty millimeters. The fugasca weighs one hundred and eighty kilos. And by the way, the active-reactive range
    shell twenty kilometers. I’ll select an open place, stand on a hillock and start throwing until I go deaf. I’ll clean my ears and throw again.
    Enough ammunition, I have a truck in the forest. And you can’t even come close to me. Even on his filthy “Betaer”. You know
    what happens to a “baiter” when a land mine explodes about ten meters away? He flies head over heels. I do not advise you to be inside.
    Oleg Divov
    "Young and strong will survive"
  15. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 24 November 2015 03: 45 New
    0
    Such a mortar is in addition to the MSTA-B in Syria.
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 November 2015 06: 03 New
    0
    Most likely, the shelf life of ammunition is coming to an end.
    So we are waiting for large-scale exercises using Tulips.
    Take a look at how old jets conduct Marines at Pacific Fleet.
    So I don’t see anything particularly joyful here.