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"Charles de Gaulle" began operations against IS

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The aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle", who arrived in the eastern Mediterranean region, launched an operation against terrorist groups in Syria, reports RIA News.




"The aircraft carrier will be ready for service from Monday, November 23," French Defense Minister Le Drian said on Sunday.

The exact location of the aircraft carrier for security purposes is not specified. Presumably, the cruise of the ship will last at least 4-s months.

According to the military, "on the aircraft carrier are 18 fighters Rafale, eight supersonic carrier-based attack aircraft Dassault Super-Etendard, as well as two carrier-based long-range radar detection Hawkeye"

The crew, consisting of sailors, mechanics and pilots, has 1,9 thousands of people.
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  1. prabiz
    prabiz 23 November 2015 10: 02
    23
    Willingness is good, let's see how you really will work! what
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 23 November 2015 10: 08
      20
      Quote: prabiz
      Willingness is good, let's see how you really will work! what

      But they will really work only when the tanned president Hollande orders, and all the Hollande fuss is only for his voters, like he takes revenge on terrorist attacks. But he takes revenge only when the roasted rooster pecks.
      1. Now we are free
        Now we are free 23 November 2015 10: 19
        24
        Regarding which coalition Russian or American France will join ...
        For the sake of honesty, it should be said that Oland is likely to lie / lick again under the United States, even in such a situation as revenge against ISIS for "Paris Friday 13". We are waiting for beautiful pictures with "Raphael" soaring into the sky, smiling French pilots and rockets launched by KhZ where. But Hollande had such a good chance to join the uncompromising Putin and raise his dead rating in France.
        As Putin wrote earlier, this is "Dirty Harry" -Sheriff outside the law clamoring for the hypocritical and amorphous laws / values ​​of the West (for which it is outlawed) and killing villains at his discretion for which we are loved by ordinary / adequate residents of almost the entire globe and hate those in power.

        Hmm, a partner for "Dirty Harry" from you François from the actual and the avenger from the city ... - bullet.
        1. arane
          arane 23 November 2015 11: 40
          +4
          Quote: Now we are free
          Regarding which coalition Russian or American France will join ...
          For the sake of honesty, it should be said that Oland is likely to lie / lick again under the United States, even in such a situation as revenge against ISIS for "Paris Friday 13". We are waiting for beautiful pictures with "Raphael" soaring into the sky, smiling French pilots and rockets launched by KhZ where. But Hollande had such a good chance to join the uncompromising Putin and raise his dead rating in France.
          As Putin wrote earlier, this is "Dirty Harry" -Sheriff outside the law clamoring for the hypocritical and amorphous laws / values ​​of the West (for which it is outlawed) and killing villains at his discretion for which we are loved by ordinary / adequate residents of almost the entire globe and hate those in power.

          Hmm, a partner for "Dirty Harry" from you François from the actual and the avenger from the city ... - bullet.


          They took it off the tongue! We will not have a brotherhood in arms with them! The French have no booty for this!
          They will "work" under the staff.
          The beginning of the day with the morning prayer "Assad must go"
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 23 November 2015 12: 37
            +3
            Quote: arane
            We will not have a brotherhood in arms with them!

            The assistance of France will be productive or not, this is not important.
            Russia owns the situation is not very bad. EW tools are used, which do not allow the Western coalition to fully get a picture of what is happening. I admit that the Char-de-Gaulle is an attempt to approach and understand how the Russian Aerospace Forces work, as well as to write down yourself in history - as one of the parties that won the war in the event of the defeat of ISIS.

            But what’s important ...
            In the future, Russia will need a permanent military presence in Syria. When the problem with ISIS is resolved, it is necessary to consider options for deploying the RF Armed Forces in Syria on an ongoing basis. Syria is the control hub of the Middle East.
            And in this regard, the RF Ministry of Defense’s plans to modernize the Navy base in Tartus are encouraging so that ships of any type could moor there.

            In general, it would be nice to create a belt of Iran, Iraq, Syria + Russia = geopolitical control of the Middle East, which cuts off the Turk from the Saudis and Qatars on the one hand, and creates geopolitical superiority on the other.

            PS
            If the participation of the French is real, then this means only one thing - ISIS is gradually coming to an end, and in view of this, we will observe the all-round involvement of various Western countries in this process. After all, "it will not be good" if Russia alone defeats ISIS.
            1. 3officer
              3officer 23 November 2015 12: 48
              +2
              Whether our alliance with France will be productive is another question. But the alliance of France and Britain took place taking the baton from Sweden and starting the search for our submarine (Loch Ness monster, Kraken, Bred, who had drunk the Scottish fisherman) now on the coast of Scotland.
            2. arane
              arane 23 November 2015 22: 05
              +1
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              Quote: arane
              We will not have a brotherhood in arms with them!

              The assistance of France will be productive or not, this is not important.
              Russia owns the situation is not very bad. EW tools are used, which do not allow the Western coalition to fully get a picture of what is happening. I admit that the Char-de-Gaulle is an attempt to approach and understand how the Russian Aerospace Forces work, as well as to write down yourself in history - as one of the parties that won the war in the event of the defeat of ISIS.

              But what’s important ...
              In the future, Russia will need a permanent military presence in Syria. When the problem with ISIS is resolved, it is necessary to consider options for deploying the RF Armed Forces in Syria on an ongoing basis. Syria is the control hub of the Middle East.
              And in this regard, the RF Ministry of Defense’s plans to modernize the Navy base in Tartus are encouraging so that ships of any type could moor there.

              In general, it would be nice to create a belt of Iran, Iraq, Syria + Russia = geopolitical control of the Middle East, which cuts off the Turk from the Saudis and Qatars on the one hand, and creates geopolitical superiority on the other.

              PS
              If the participation of the French is real, then this means only one thing - ISIS is gradually coming to an end, and in view of this, we will observe the all-round involvement of various Western countries in this process. After all, "it will not be good" if Russia alone defeats ISIS.


              All is correct. But I viewed from a different angle! If France begins to act together with Russia, it will be a serious blow to the political reputation of the United States! They will try to prevent this.
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      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 23 November 2015 10: 42
        0
        Quote: 79807420129
        Quote: prabiz
        Willingness is good, let's see how you really will work! what

        But they will really work only when the tanned president Hollande orders, and all the Hollande fuss is only for his voters, like he takes revenge on terrorist attacks. But he takes revenge only when the roasted rooster pecks.

        Let's not scoff right now. Let's wait until Monday. Well, this is also not an easy matter, it is necessary to organize joint work with our videoconferencing, to distribute goals and so on. Once the aircraft carrier has arrived, it will definitely not be idle, because the operation is being developed jointly with us on the cruiser "Moskva", it will not be possible to take time off and bomb the desert!
        1. mvg
          mvg 23 November 2015 11: 27
          +5
          Again, people are working on their own wavelength, when you draw a comment about the development of a joint operation on board Moscow, what are you guided by? Again, the source is called "a finger to the sky" and "I made it up myself"?
          Yes surrendered to the French and the cruiser Moscow, and in general the Russian Aerospace Forces, and yes, and everyone else .. How is your imagination developed ..
          1. Colonel
            Colonel 23 November 2015 12: 23
            -4
            Quote: mvg
            Yes, the cruiser Moscow, and in general the Russian Aerospace Forces, surrendered to the French

            I think I gave up. Yesterday Putin set a task for the commander of our naval group to establish interaction with the French group. I think there was a preliminary call and I don't think that Moscow was necessarily the initiator.
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        2. 73bor
          73bor 23 November 2015 12: 18
          +1
          The legitimacy of the French in this matter is incomprehensible, no one invited them to bomb in Syria, the ATS will not contact them, in my opinion all this is stupid and there will be no joint operation, the French are already quite reluctant to carry out joint operations, even with the United States, and then in a limited amount, they only dream of Russian scales!
          1. Moore
            Moore 23 November 2015 12: 32
            +1
            Quote: 73bor
            the French are already quite reluctant to conduct joint operations even with the United States

            In Yugoslavia, they flew with stripes, as if they were offended in their best feelings - 45 aircraft.
            And now they will be smeared, as in World War II - on a crooked goat, they will enter the main winners of the barmalei ...
          2. arane
            arane 23 November 2015 22: 08
            +1
            Quote: 73bor
            The legitimacy of the French in this matter is incomprehensible, no one invited them to bomb in Syria, the ATS will not contact them, in my opinion all this is stupid and there will be no joint operation, the French are already quite reluctant to carry out joint operations, even with the United States, and then in a limited amount, they only dream of Russian scales!


            If together with Russia, then they are provided with legitimacy. This was stated by the ambassador of Syria in Russia! In other words, but the point is
        3. ancient
          ancient 23 November 2015 13: 48
          +3
          Quote: GSH-18
          Well, this is also not a simple matter, we need to organize joint work with our videoconferencing, distribute goals and all that jazz.


          That's where such naivety comes from? belay By stupidity or by not knowing anything at all? request
          It’s like in your previous comment about "... in 2016 the first two serial T-50 will be adopted" ???? belay

          link - http://www.opex360.com/2015/11/22/le-general-de-villiers-nuance-le-rapprochement


          -franco-russe-au-sujet-de-la-lutte-daesh-en-syrie /

          What a "distribution of goals" and that's all .. other belay

          On November 22, in the newspaper Le Dimanche, General de Villiers clarifications were published regarding the content of his negotiations and explained circumstances of the “Franco-Russian rapprochement” lol



          “On Thursday, for 30 minutes, I spoke on the phone with my colleague General Gerasimov. We brought mutual condolences over the terrorist attacks in which the Russians died in the sky over the Sinai Peninsula and those that happened in Paris.
          We discussed the technical means that must be used so that our ships do not “collide” off the coast of Syria. ”!!

          “In addition, there is no question of coordinating strikes against the Islamic State with Russia.

          Rafale M and Super Étendard Modernisés (SEM) fighters and attack aircraft operating from aircraft carrier Charles-de-Gaulle operate in the Syrian sky in accordance with the mutual agreement on actions to prevent possible dangerous incidents in the airspace of Siri, with possible convergence of aircraft. "

          Everything .. CURTAIN !!! soldier
          1. arane
            arane 23 November 2015 22: 11
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            Quote: GSH-18
            Well, this is also not a simple matter, we need to organize joint work with our videoconferencing, distribute goals and all that jazz.


            That's where such naivety comes from? belay By stupidity or by not knowing anything at all? request
            It’s like in your previous comment about "... in 2016 the first two serial T-50 will be adopted" ???? belay

            link - http://www.opex360.com/2015/11/22/le-general-de-villiers-nuance-le-rapprochement



            -franco-russe-au-sujet-de-la-lutte-daesh-en-syrie /

            What a "distribution of goals" and that's all .. other belay

            On November 22, in the newspaper Le Dimanche, General de Villiers clarifications were published regarding the content of his negotiations and explained circumstances of the “Franco-Russian rapprochement” lol



            “On Thursday, for 30 minutes, I spoke on the phone with my colleague General Gerasimov. We brought mutual condolences over the terrorist attacks in which the Russians died in the sky over the Sinai Peninsula and those that happened in Paris.
            We discussed the technical means that must be used so that our ships do not “collide” off the coast of Syria. ”!!

            “In addition, there is no question of coordinating strikes against the Islamic State with Russia.

            Rafale M and Super Étendard Modernisés (SEM) fighters and attack aircraft operating from aircraft carrier Charles-de-Gaulle operate in the Syrian sky in accordance with the mutual agreement on actions to prevent possible dangerous incidents in the airspace of Siri, with possible convergence of aircraft. "

            Everything .. CURTAIN !!! soldier


            Thank! Q.E.D!
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 23 November 2015 23: 00
              +4
              So we all stuffed into the allies, but the French did not plan to coordinate anything with us. They create their own coalition, on the western channels they are only cracking about it. Will there be room for Russia is still a big question. Today we exchanged navigation data so as not to interfere with each other at sea, that's all cooperation. The Americans give them the coordinates of the goals. They can create a fist not weak. The first attacks were carried out from airfields in the Emirates and Jordan, today the British have placed at their disposal their base in Cyprus. In principle, they can also use airfields in Iraq, Saudi and possibly in Turkey, if they promise not to stand on ceremony with the Kurds. In short, the French are pulling the blanket over themselves, and even Americans can be on the sidelines here. Libyan scenario of the times of Sarkozy.
              1. ancient
                ancient 23 November 2015 23: 14
                +3
                Quote: rudolff
                So we all stuffed into the allies, but the French did not plan to coordinate anything with us.


                Absolutely right, friend drinks

                But with us .... everything is as it should be ... as in the charter soldier

                How I like this "monologue" by Evgeny Evstigneev .. and that's it .... "on the topic" drinks

                "The elder ordered ...." wink



      4. ANTI.KORR.
        ANTI.KORR. 23 November 2015 10: 46
        +3
        Quote: 79807420129
        But revenge only when the roasted cock pecked.

        All the same, the Frenchmen did not succeed in serving time behind their backs.
        They are big lovers of clinging to someone else’s name, that in the 2nd world, that now, and even then out of necessity, when there is no other way out.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 23 November 2015 11: 31
          11
          Albert, as it was immediately inspired by Keitel’s notorious phrase, at the time of signing the surrender: what, these (meaning the French) defeated us too ?!
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 23 November 2015 12: 28
            0
            and what, these (meaning the French) defeated us too ?!


            The grimaces of history, Russians, for some reason always attracted the French, who always despised, deceived and taught them. And the Russians scattered with beads. But with the Germans, where two nations thermodynamically supplemented each other’s friend, an eternal war.
      5. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 23 November 2015 11: 54
        +1
        If indeed the French, like our VKS-Putin, are tasked with working "in conjunction" with our pilots, then we can expect a positive result. In the meantime, it is too early to assess the contribution of the French, as they say, wait and see. But you can expect any "prank", especially if the US intervenes in the actions of the French with its advice.
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 23 November 2015 12: 22
          0
          Quote: Alexey Bukin
          In the meantime, it’s too early to assess the contribution of the French, as they say, wait and see

          I understand they have one goal, as the Americans said, "the capital of igil"
        2. 73bor
          73bor 23 November 2015 12: 25
          +1
          As the experience of the last operations of the French in Africa shows, these are such micro-operations, moreover, quite successful, the French do not like someone outside to poke their nose into their affairs, their motto is just like Lenin's - "Better less, but better!"
    2. cniza
      cniza 23 November 2015 10: 09
      +3
      Quote: prabiz
      Willingness is good, let's see how you really will work! what




      God help us, we will not refuse to work together and are ready to help if necessary.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 23 November 2015 10: 19
        16
        God help us, we will not refuse to work together and are ready to help if necessary.


        There will be no collaboration. Maximum security approval. But the concentration of NATO forces, in the face of a turning point in Syria in favor of Assad, is not a good sign.
        1. arane
          arane 23 November 2015 11: 50
          +2
          Quote: Asadullah
          God help us, we will not refuse to work together and are ready to help if necessary.


          There will be no collaboration. Maximum security approval. But the concentration of NATO forces, in the face of a turning point in Syria in favor of Assad, is not a good sign.


          I agree! Plus, look at the composition of the wing on the tar! They will not do anything substantial on ground targets!
          8 attack aircraft, 18 fighters and 2 drills! The composition is more suitable for airborne ship group!
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 23 November 2015 12: 20
            +2
            The composition is more suitable for airborne ship group!


            That's right, dear! The only question is how far Assad will advance in the offensive. Will Turkey bring in troops under the pretext of protecting local Turkmens? Will introduce, with guarantees for the protection of Allies in NATO. What will happen after the real clash between Turkey and Syria? What will the Russian Armed Forces do in this case? What will the NATO fleet do?

            Why is Putin, in a fever, looking for a coalition opportunity, anyone? Yes, because he understands this situation. A lightning victory with the help of the VKS did not work, due to the very strong defense defense and excellent supply of terrorists. In which only the lazy did not take part. Not because the scum sympathized with, which can only be crushed, crushed and crushed, by a tank, a bulldozer, a sapper, a hammer, everything that comes to hand, but because the money does not smell. Qatar and the United States unfasten the crunchy, not counting, the United States covers the legal field and the media, Israel provides calculations. It got to the point that the secondary arms market is empty! All bought up for terrorists !!! This is a paradox of history, this has not happened in the history of civilization and will go into textbooks. Unless of course, there will be someone to read them.

            And the question is, why is this being done? And in order to unleash a war between Turkey and Iran. And the Arab monarchies direct this with the help of their American lobby. Where the Jews began to play a bureaucratic second role. Truly wonderful are your deeds, Lord! The American nation first enriched the dark camels with everything with its printing press, and then entered into an alliance with them for world domination. Damn, ten years ago, would spit in the face to someone who would say this ....
            1. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 23 November 2015 12: 39
              0
              Quote: Asadullah
              It got to the point that the secondary arms market is empty! All bought up for terrorists !!! This is a paradox of history, this has not happened in the history of civilization and will go into textbooks.

              How so?
              You must have meant hiding?
              I suppose that the arms market goes into the shadows and. partially underground.
              Accordingly, prices are rising ...
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    4. RUSS
      RUSS 23 November 2015 10: 11
      +3
      The exact location of the aircraft carrier for security purposes is not specified. Presumably, the cruise of the ship will last at least 4-s months.
      Today the news reported that Charles de Gaulle is in the Persian Gulf.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 23 November 2015 10: 28
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        Today on the news reported that "Charles de Gaulle" in the Persian Gulf

        Minusovshchiki! Here is a quote from the site of the First channel
        -The Syrian army liberated the city of Mkhin, which is located in the west of the country near the strategically important Damascus-Homs highway. The battles for the village went on for 20 days.
        Bashar al-Assad's army continues to attack in almost all directions. It succeeds in achieving success with the support of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which continue the operation of retaliation against the militants of the Islamic State group banned in our country.
        Today, the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle may begin to strike at the positions of the extremists. He has already arrived in the Persian Gulf. Vladimir Putin instructed the Russian military to establish cooperation with French colleagues. According to Western media, the first contacts have already taken place - so far, however, they are limited to navigation issues
        1. 3officer
          3officer 23 November 2015 10: 35
          +4
          So where did he get to the shores of Syria or the Persian Gulf?
          1. asar
            asar 23 November 2015 10: 47
            +5
            Timur! Good all!
            Contact is established between us and them!
            Contact is established - we and they!
            We and they - here the "crocodile" will throw us to the fighters from the Inlegion, then contact will take place! Maybe we will, if not friends, but we will be partners ?!
            Joint raid, joint raid of the air forces of both countries ...!
            We’ll see, there are forty minutes left
            Wish us good luck!
            1. ANTI.KORR.
              ANTI.KORR. 23 November 2015 10: 49
              +2
              Quote: asar
              Wish us good luck!

              Good luck, you guys!
              Take care of yourself!!!
            2. 3officer
              3officer 23 November 2015 10: 54
              +2
              Rustem Mutually!
              What will not be boring is for sure!
          2. U-96
            U-96 23 November 2015 10: 55
            0
            Quote: 3officer
            So where did he get to the shores of Syria or the Persian Gulf?

            British write about the eastern Mediterranean:
            (by the way, there are beautiful pictures of Charles: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328678/Le-Gun-French-military-ready-bli
            tz-ISIS-aircraft-carrier-Charles-Gaulle-bears-Syria.html)
            1. 3officer
              3officer 23 November 2015 11: 03
              +1
              The "Queen of the Seas" clearly understands the world's oceans better than geographers from the first.))
            2. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 23 November 2015 11: 29
              +2
              .... by the way, there are beautiful pictures of Charles: ...

              ..... For my taste, "Clemenceau" was more beautiful than Charles .... It's a pity they disposed of ... hi
              1. U-96
                U-96 23 November 2015 11: 59
                +1
                Quote: aleks 62 next
                ..... For my taste, "Clemenceau" was more beautiful than Charles .... It's a pity they disposed of ...

                I do not argue) Its disposal is also that epic) However, the French firstborn, Bearn, also got an interesting story. Although, frankly, his tongue does not dare to call him a handsome and combat veteran)
          3. Alekseir162
            Alekseir162 23 November 2015 11: 51
            0
            So where did he get to the shores of Syria

            A group of French naval ships headed by the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle arrived on the Syrian coast this night. The squadron is escorted by a frigate of the naval forces of Belgium and a destroyer of the Royal Navy of Great Britain.

            Read in full: http://newsrbk.ru/news/2551145-francuzskiy-avianosec-pribyil-k-beregam-sirii-dly
            a-ataki-na-ig.html
            And then, they are going to contact Russian ships.
        2. Seaman77
          Seaman77 23 November 2015 10: 41
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          Minusovshchiki! Here is a quote from the site of the First channel


          It looks like Channel One is working for French counterintelligence. The tracks are confused ...))))

          Either the "victim of the exam" is responsible for the news, which is more likely.
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 23 November 2015 12: 43
            0
            Quote: Seaman77
            the "victim of the exam" is responsible for the news there

            The West introduced the worst weapon against Russia ...
        3. LVMI1980
          LVMI1980 23 November 2015 10: 47
          +1
          In my opinion there was a phrase about what they planned in the Persian Gulf but outplayed in Syria ...
        4. Ajent cho
          Ajent cho 23 November 2015 11: 13
          0
          for now, however, they are limited to navigation issues
          The idea ... And de I am? ..
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    5. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 23 November 2015 10: 13
      +8
      Vague doubts torment me ..... Frances are still allies. They’ll create tricks from the Amer under our dome ... it’s not for nothing that Uland first went to Fashington and then to Moscow ... and before all this I settled down off the coast of Syria ... oh, I don’t believe them ...
      1. Bugor
        Bugor 23 November 2015 10: 21
        +6
        They won't be under the dome. Imagine the state of an attack pilot in combat: "This is for you, s ... ki, for Paris" !!!
        No matter what the French are, they are patriots! They have the whole story on patriotism.
        So they will not be naughty.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 23 November 2015 10: 29
          +6
          Quote: Bugor
          No matter what the French are, they are patriots! They have the whole story on patriotism.

          Yes, yes, they especially showed it on June 22, 1940, in a significant place and the same scenery. / De Gaulle and the pilots of Normandy-Niemen are an exception.
          1. Bugor
            Bugor 23 November 2015 10: 45
            0
            The thing is probably in the mentality, as they say right now ..
            The war is lost, the enemy is at the door - they are ready to lie Under the enemy.
            But so far they are on horseback ...
          2. SCHWERIN
            SCHWERIN 23 November 2015 12: 05
            +3
            Yeah, patriots! The girls of the Wehrmaks delighted, the German brand was accepted everywhere. They are obliged to Stalin that they invited the dock for signing. about surrender. Allies, damn it.
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    7. Tor5
      Tor5 23 November 2015 10: 39
      0
      We’ll wait and see the real results of work.
    8. Goga101
      Goga101 23 November 2015 10: 48
      +3
      prabiz - and how to "work" then? Rafali for ground targets is about nothing, and eight attack aircraft are not a great force ... it is generally not clear why it was necessary to drive the AUG there when no one bothers them to work from ground airfields in Iraq, which they did before, sluggishly, but after all, they flew, and here the aircraft carrier ... the pont is empty. So why the states - and the aircraft carriers are the largest and there are not a few of them, but in Yugoslavia, in Iraq - up to 90% of combat missions were from the ground, from aircraft carriers, for advertising ... hi
      1. Bugor
        Bugor 23 November 2015 11: 15
        +2
        You're right. The empty show-off is called: "Demonstration of Power"
        Let at least eight attack aircraft be launched. It's not just "Rooks" to sip soup ...
        1. Bashibuzuk
          Bashibuzuk 23 November 2015 11: 39
          0
          Among other things .... the French agreed on the use of aircraft with the Syrian government, with Assad?
          And then the first flight can turn sideways. They put a racket on Hi-Ethandar and hello.
          Or are the French going to fly through Turkey?
          .
          After all, the Syrian government issued a statement that any use of force inconsistent with them on the territory of Syria would be regarded as aggression.
          And here, the French are working with us, they are not working, the Syrians are somehow up to the bulb.
          I think so.
          1. Bugor
            Bugor 23 November 2015 11: 54
            0
            Without the consent of our air defense, they will not go there. It is suspected that Moskva is there precisely to coordinate with Kupol.
            From smart I write, I'm sorry for AshiPki.
    9. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 23 November 2015 12: 13
      0
      I don't understand something ... De Gaulle in the Persian Gulf? Then what can we talk about the interaction of the Russian Aerospace Forces with him. I am reading "The ship has 18 Rafale fighters, eight Dassault Super-Etendard supersonic carrier-based attack aircraft, and two Hawkeye carrier-based early warning aircraft."

      Even if this floating golf course lands near the coast of Iraq, which I doubt very much, its eight stormtroopers will not even be able to reach the Syrian border (there is at least 900 km in a straight line), since their radius of action is 850 km. Rafaeli, although they have a range of 1800 km as an interceptor, as a strike aircraft, that is, missiles and bombs, can fly away from the aircraft carrier only 1100 km, which means that they will reach the maximum Deir ez-Zor , if they will fly in a straight line, And even Rakku will not get it.

      So De Gaulle aimed at Iraq, not at Syria. And this is good, if the French do not help, then at least they will not do much harm.
    10. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 November 2015 13: 37
      0
      Quote: prabiz
      Willingness is good, let's see how you really will work!


      As if more interference would not create us, i.e. not so much help as it will interfere ...
  2. meriem1
    meriem1 23 November 2015 10: 05
    +4
    With the Lord !!! All are not strangers, although Catholics !!! And the Russians .... they will always help and will not ask anything later !!! Well show yourself! In WWII, Normandy-Niemen pilots were good! Let's see how the grandchildren will wet the reptile !!!! I really do not want to be disappointed !!!!
    1. Barboskin
      Barboskin 23 November 2015 10: 07
      +1
      In WWII, Normandy-Niemen pilots were good! Let's see how the grandchildren will wet the reptile !!!!

      And the name of the ship obliges!
      1. Tiger4
        Tiger4 23 November 2015 11: 37
        -1
        For the ship, the name is not very ((((Not De Gaulle was an admiral!
        1. Tiger4
          Tiger4 23 November 2015 14: 37
          0
          He was a good general (in the general meat grinder of World War II), a good president (until the protests began), but he was not an admiral, in whose honor the ship can be called. France did not have worthy admirals, even F.F.Ushakov drenched them !
    2. kil 31
      kil 31 23 November 2015 10: 12
      +6
      Now, if you remove the quotation marks in the header, it would be the case. He would not listen to amers, who is good who is bad. I would wet all the bearded for him beloved France and the French. Some historians say that for such a freedom-loving nature he was removed from his post.
      1. Bugor
        Bugor 23 November 2015 10: 50
        +1
        Historians say that he loaded the ship with green bills and said: "Gold for them" ....
        Therefore, France and NATO have strange relations, unlike the World Bank, for example.
        He was freedom-loving. But the people did not choose him.
    3. oblako
      oblako 23 November 2015 13: 43
      0
      With the Lord !!! All are not strangers, although Catholics !!! And the Russians .... they will always help and will not ask anything later !!! Well show yourself! In WWII, Normandy-Niemen pilots were good! Let's see how the grandchildren will wet the reptile !!!! I really do not want to be disappointed !!!!


      Don't be disappointed for a minute ... 18 pilots fought in the Normandie-Niemen squadron, 18! - Karl !! the rest is technical staff. And a million French volunteers fought on Hitler's side against Russia. So everything is the same. But our cause is right, well, in general, you know ...
  3. RUS96
    RUS96 23 November 2015 10: 05
    +2
    For me, duck with this evil (igil), even with the devil together.
  4. nablydatel
    nablydatel 23 November 2015 10: 07
    +1
    until the thunder strikes the Frenchman stirs from his wine barrels and frogs hi
  5. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 23 November 2015 10: 07
    +1
    There was an article stating that the French were bombing the Ishilovites with the approval of the Kurds. Where do they interestingly take off from?
  6. Dezinto
    Dezinto 23 November 2015 10: 08
    +3
    Hmm. And I want to believe in their sincere help. And at the same time you think - did they not get a call from Washington? With the "clarification" of coordinates, where you can fly and where you can not.
  7. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 23 November 2015 10: 08
    +1
    And here is the replacement of the slogan for the French and the Euro-Europeans arrived in time!
    I propose - "I am CHARLES de Gaulle !!!"
    Interestingly, they will start to run with such a sign !?
    1. U-96
      U-96 23 November 2015 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: Mihalich17
      And here is the replacement of the slogan for the French and the Euro-Europeans arrived in time!
      I propose - "I am CHARLES de Gaulle !!!"
      Interestingly, they will start to run with such a sign !?

      this requires a minimum of Sh.d.G. sink. Then, of course, they will. The tablets appear in memory of the victims, and not as fans.
  8. solvi
    solvi 23 November 2015 10: 12
    +4
    Let's see what determination the White House will allow the French to show. For some reason, it seems that there will be much more noise than serious actions.
  9. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 23 November 2015 10: 14
    +2
    Have they already received permission to fly over Syrian territory from the Syrian authorities?
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 23 November 2015 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
      Have they already received permission to fly over Syrian territory from the Syrian authorities?

      That is the whole question. According to the definition of target designation, the French do not have adequate capabilities with ours and Amer’s. It means either contacting the Baghdad focal point or trusting the American data. In the first case, an automatic invitation from Assad, in the second it is not clear how we will interact with them.
      1. U-96
        U-96 23 November 2015 11: 01
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
        Have they already received permission to fly over Syrian territory from the Syrian authorities?

        Quote: Jurkovs
        That is the whole question.

        and what is the question? The Syrians made it clear that an agreement with the Russian Federation = an agreement with Syria. What is the problem?
        1. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 23 November 2015 11: 23
          +2
          Simple as that. What is the problem?
          The problem is that in this case no one will ask anyone for permission.
          Why should the French have to negotiate with Russia? On what grounds? "Made it clear"?
          This will mean fly whoever wants to. Turks, for example, will fly without asking. So what? Russia can now bring them down on the basis of what the Syrians have made clear. Now we’ll wet the concepts?
          1. U-96
            U-96 23 November 2015 11: 35
            -1
            Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
            With what fright should the French agree with Russia? On what basis?

            Yes, for God's sake - no, no, no. Hollande on the 26th to Putin goes to Mistral poker to lose ....
  10. COBA
    COBA 23 November 2015 10: 14
    +3
    Western special services, through the barmaley, arranged "terrorism" for the frogs. Now they show a warlike spirit and want to play war, only no one invited them to Syria, and no one shared intelligence information. An obvious and long-worked scenario, the main goal of which is to prevent Russia and Iran from helping Syria establish a legal order on their land.
  11. starwars
    starwars 23 November 2015 10: 14
    +2
    PARIS, Nov 22 - RIA Novosti, French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, which leads a group of ships that arrived in the Eastern Mediterranean on Sunday night, will be ready to launch an operation against terrorists in Syria on Monday, Nov.23, French Defense Minister Jean said -Yves Le Drian. [Media = http: //vk.com/away.php? To = http: //ria.ru/syria_chronicle/201511
    22 / 1326159968.html & post = 226328310_3308]
  12. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 23 November 2015 10: 16
    +3
    They came, they came, and the targets where they will take it, inadvertently hook the "moderate" immediately raise a cry, the French sold themselves to Assad. True, there are two almost no losing options, the first one is to bomb Raqqa (in this case, there is no need to worry about civilian casualties, the Western press without a shadow of hesitation, he will credit it to us) well, and actually the second one, fuel trucks and oil fields.
  13. bugrovata
    bugrovata 23 November 2015 10: 17
    +3
    It’s hot for the French - right away with us in a coalition! And usraina and profits are always and in any case against! request fool
  14. RUSS
    RUSS 23 November 2015 10: 18
    +2
    Quote: starwars
    The French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, which leads the group of ships that arrived on Sunday night in the Eastern Mediterranean region,

    “Charles de Gaulle” (French Charles de Gaulle, R91) - the flagship of the French Navy, the only active aircraft carrier of the French Navy, the first French surface combat ship with a nuclear power plant. Among aircraft carriers of other countries, excluding the United States, it is the second largest (after the Russian heavy aircraft carrier cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov) and the most combat-ready aircraft carrier.

    He came to replace the outdated Clemenceau aircraft carrier.

    Main characteristics
    42 tons full displacement
    Xnumx length m
    64,36 width m
    75 height m
    Engines Two water atomic reactors K15
    27 nodes travel speed
    45 days autonomy
    Crew 1200 team + 600 people air group + 100 people command

    An electric power plant with a total capacity of 21,4 MW includes 4 turbo-generators with a capacity of 4 MW each, 4 turbogenerators with a capacity of 0,25 MW each, and 4 diesel generators with a capacity of 1,1 MW each [1].

    Air Group includes [1]

    36 Super Etandar or Rafal-M fighter-bombers
    2-3 aircraft AWACS E-2C "Hokai"
    2 search and rescue helicopters AS-565 MB Panther
    A characteristic feature of the air group is the predominance of attack aircraft and the absence of anti-submarine squadrons. For comparison, American aircraft carriers of the Nimitz type with a displacement of about 100 tons carry 000 attack fighters and 48 anti-submarine helicopters [8].

    Air defense facilities include [1]:

    SAM "Aster 15" (Aster 15): two 8-container installations of vertical launch, located on the starboard side in front of the superstructure, the other two - on the left side in the rear of the ship, the range of destruction of the aerodynamic target SAM "Aster 15" is 30 km;
    SAM "Sadral" (Sadral): two 6-container launchers on the starboard and port side, 35-45 m behind the launchers of the Aster "
    8 20-mm single-barrel artillery mounts Giat 20F2 (720 rds / min).
    Electronic weapons include [1]:

    BIOS “Zenit 8” (Senit Combat Management System, Model 8), capable of simultaneously tracking up to 2000 targets on the surface, in the air and on the coast and automatically controlling the Aster 15 air defense system. The system can play the role of a hub of a communication network of 50 nodes, including ships, planes and ground command posts.
    Radar detection of air targets DRBJ-11V;
    3-coordinate radar detection of air and surface targets DRBV-15D;
    Radar early warning airborne targets DRBV-26D;
    2 navigation radars DRBN-34 (Decca 1229);
    Flight control radar Racal-1229 and NP \ BP-20A;
    AREL fire control radar;
    optoelectronic station for detecting air and surface targets DIBV-I Vampir.
  15. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 23 November 2015 10: 20
    +2
    Target designation from where will receive? From the focal point in Baghdad or from amers? In the first case, it automatically means receiving an invitation from Assad, in the second, unauthorized bombing of the type of Americans. And how then should we interact with the paddling pools? Too many questions and no answers to them.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 23 November 2015 10: 30
      +2
      French Defense Ministry Le Drian argues that the main goals are Mosul, Racca, as well as oil fields, while Assad will not be notified of his plans in Syria.
      1. red_october
        red_october 23 November 2015 10: 55
        0
        Assad said that the actions of the French (and others) are legitimate only when coordinating their actions through Moscow
        1. AlexTires
          AlexTires 23 November 2015 11: 01
          +1
          The Chief of the General Staff of France, Pierre de Villiers, stated the lack of coordination with Russia of air strikes on the “Islamic State” in Syria .. Conclusion?
      2. The comment was deleted.
  16. Dezinto
    Dezinto 23 November 2015 10: 21
    12
    The minusator ran over. As usual, without reason or argument .... just cuckoo ....- here's all the minus ....
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 23 November 2015 10: 30
      +7
      Appears systematically, minus even neutral comments. That's what moderators need to pay attention to.
  17. Lord_Sita
    Lord_Sita 23 November 2015 10: 22
    +3
    The exact location of the aircraft carrier for safety reasons is not indicated.

    Why such secrecy? Are they afraid that ISIS destroyers (cruisers, frigates, etc.) will sink Charles? lol
    1. Tiger4
      Tiger4 23 November 2015 11: 41
      0
      Show off! In our satellite age, such an "iron" can be seen at a glance!
  18. Stinger
    Stinger 23 November 2015 10: 24
    +2
    Supported by sanctions for six months, you can now rush to victory together. Interestingly, prostitution is the main value of the West? Or just Hollande.
  19. AlexTires
    AlexTires 23 November 2015 10: 27
    +1
    If this floating golf course gets off the coast of Iraq, which I doubt very much, its eight stormtroopers will not even be able to reach the Syrian border (there is at least 900 km in a straight line), since their radius of action is 850 km. Rafaeli, although they have a range of 1800 km as an interceptor, as a strike aircraft, that is, missiles and bombs, can only fly away from an aircraft carrier by 1100 km, which means that they will reach a maximum of Deir ez-Zor , if they will fly in a straight line, And even Rakku will not get it.
    So De Gaulle aimed at Iraq, not at Syria. And this is good, if the French do not help with anything, then at least they will not do much harm ..
    1. U-96
      U-96 23 November 2015 11: 04
      0
      Quote: AlexTires
      If this golf course gets off the coast of Iraq


      OK. The Mediterranean coast of Iraq is strong even for the exam ...
      Quote: AlexTires
      So De Gaulle aimed at Iraq, not at Syria.

      Is logical. Therefore, he is in the eastern Mediterranean ....
      1. AlexTires
        AlexTires 23 November 2015 11: 20
        0
        Quote: U-96
        Quote: AlexTires
        If this golf course gets off the coast of Iraq


        OK. The Mediterranean coast of Iraq is strong even for the exam ...
        Quote: AlexTires
        So De Gaulle aimed at Iraq, not at Syria.

        Is logical. Therefore, he is in the eastern Mediterranean ....


        Some media reports that De Gaulle is in the Persian Gulf, hence my conclusions ... French Defense Ministry Le Drian argues that the main goals are Mosul and other deposits ...
        1. U-96
          U-96 23 November 2015 11: 45
          0
          Quote: AlexTires
          French Defense Ministry Le Drian argues that the main goals are Mosul and other deposits ...

          Well, geographically, IS is located in Syria and Iraq. Perhaps you are right about the division of spheres of activity between the air forces and air forces of Fr., who knows. You just proceeded from the fact that Sh.d.G. (in vain you, by the way, scornfully call him a golf course smile ) creeps into the Persian Gulf, but this is not quite so)
          1. AlexTires
            AlexTires 23 November 2015 12: 10
            +1
            well, about the site ... I think it may turn out that he will be dragged back in tow because it is a very problematic aircraft carrier, which stood longer in the dock than on combat duty ... Well, in principle, yes .. could have gone too far laughing
            1. U-96
              U-96 23 November 2015 12: 28
              +1
              Quote: AlexTires
              Well, about the site ... Well, in principle, yes .. could have gone too far laughing

              laughing
  20. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 November 2015 10: 33
    +3
    At a time when Russia is ready, on the instructions of the president, to cooperate with the French as allies, France at the European civil strife, led by the United States, decides to extend the sanctions against us. This is how real "allies" act in Europe. They will probably also fight behind the scenes.
  21. DMB3000
    DMB3000 23 November 2015 10: 35
    +2
    Quote: prabiz
    Willingness is good, let's see how you really will work! what

    it seems to me they will begin to bomb the oil refineries of government forces
  22. askort154
    askort154 23 November 2015 10: 38
    0
    Let's see how Oland behaves after tomorrow's meeting with Obama. Surely he will receive a fly-screen for the manifest
    "independence", enter into a coalition with Russia.
  23. V.ic
    V.ic 23 November 2015 10: 38
    -2
    Well, now that's it! Queues for hairdressers, a shortage of Muslim women's clothing and paranja ... Isil runs away in fear, writing on the go... Well, Monsieur, where have you been before, ball-skiers! The Russians taught you in 1814: "Quickly-quickly-bistro"Bad students turned out to be.
    1. U-96
      U-96 23 November 2015 12: 05
      -1
      Quote: V.ic
      Well, now that's it! Queues for hairdressers, a shortage of Muslim women's clothing and paranja ... Isil runs away in fear, writing on the go... Well, Monsieur, where have you been before, ball-skiers! The Russians taught you in 1814: "Quickly-quickly-bistro"Bad students turned out to be.

      What was it? And why?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 23 November 2015 13: 48
        -2
        Quote: U-96
        What was it?

        There was much in the world ... and sewed, and soap.
        Quote: U-96
        И to what?

        You don't need anything... I expressed my "delight" at the upcoming participation of the "Gallic cockerel" in the fight with ISIS "jackals".
        1. U-96
          U-96 23 November 2015 13: 55
          0
          Quote: V.ic
          You don’t need anything.

          I agree. Your grumbling yawns.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 23 November 2015 15: 09
            +1
            Quote: U-96
            Your grumbling yawns.

            Take care of yourself, when yawning, hold the jaw with your hands, so as not to accidentally dislocate the jaw joint! Although, if you lead your clan from an viper tribe, then you do not need my sympathy (snakes do not dislocate).
            1. U-96
              U-96 23 November 2015 18: 21
              0
              Quote: V.ic
              if you are descending from an viper tribe, then you don’t need my sympathy (snakes do not dislocate).

              and I'll give you a plus. As one statesman of RI used to say: "Dypakov should also be encouraged, because boredom is without them ..."
              1. V.ic
                V.ic 23 November 2015 18: 54
                0
                Quote: U-96
                I'll put you a plus.

                Benefactor! What would I do without your plus? crying The total number of minuses on this site I probably exceed the number of your pluses.
                Quote: U-96
                As one state husband of RI used to say: “Dypakov should also be encouraged,

                As my colleague in the Far East (pseudonym COMBAT) said: "Salaga, I have more absenteeism than your length of service!" laughing I will not minus or add you in this case, you just did not deserve the second, although for the "Fools .." you could apply the first negative ... I prefer to minus only foreign trolls myself, but I took note of you and I will not fail to "insert the piston" (only well-deserved). Until next time! fool
  24. red_october
    red_october 23 November 2015 10: 42
    +1
    Finally!
    And that's all: "Charles de Gaulle is going to leave" ... "Charles de Gaulle is sailing" ... "Charles de Gaulle is still sailing" ... "... sailed and will start on Monday" ...
    And then he immediately started the operation ...
  25. INF
    INF 23 November 2015 10: 42
    0
    We will wait for the results, but something tells me for the jackdaw that's all.
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 November 2015 10: 45
    0
    Still need to look how and who will be bombed.
    I do not exclude the option of "friendly fire"
    in the Syrian and Iranian army.
    Like "made a mistake, with whom it does not happen."
    Well, the most advantageous and safe
    the option would be to bomb the oil convoys.
  27. Lapot
    Lapot 23 November 2015 10: 48
    +1
    Video of the combat departure of the Tu-160 bomber:
  28. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 23 November 2015 10: 57
    0
    I am tormented by vague doubts - will French have enough BC to process ISIS? And I remember when the paddlers plowed Libya, so after a while they asked for the loan of cruise missiles (if memory serves) from the amers.
  29. roskot
    roskot 23 November 2015 10: 59
    +2
    And we'll see where you flew.
  30. shurik-063
    shurik-063 23 November 2015 11: 00
    0
    If there are knowledgeable people, explain how the French will work under the EW dome? Will they install our equipment on them or will they turn off the dome for the duration of the flights of French aviation? Or will they be allowed to work at a certain frequency?
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 23 November 2015 11: 17
      +1
      If there are knowledgeable people, explain how the French will work under the EW dome? Will they install our equipment on them or will they turn off the dome for the duration of the flights of French aviation? Or will they be allowed to work at a certain frequency?


      You dear to such questions, I also want to ask questions ..





      I mean ... well, why such questions? ... maybe ask me to clarify the coordinates of Russian and French ships in the Mediterranean ??

      And what ammunition on board? .... and how much fuel? and what is the plan of action?

      In the photos I hinted you where to turn ...
      1. 3officer
        3officer 23 November 2015 11: 45
        0
        Oh, and the doors after the terrorist attack have already been changed!
    2. mvg
      mvg 23 November 2015 11: 33
      0
      You know, if you don't tell the French about the electronic warfare "dome", I'm afraid they won't notice it .. Only ours (KRET) stubbornly notice it, nobody else is interested in it.
    3. rudolff
      rudolff 23 November 2015 11: 41
      +3
      The French have already struck in Syria from ground airfields and no "dome" interfered with them. As well as the Americans, Turks, Israelis.
  31. rotor
    rotor 23 November 2015 11: 20
    +2
    Charles de Gaulle arrives in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea to join the operation against ISIS

  32. North
    North 23 November 2015 11: 38
    +2
    "two Hawkeye carrier-based early warning aircraft."

    planes, missiles of the Russian Federation - will be trained to track in the first place. Well, the rest as necessary. do not forget France is NATO.
  33. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 November 2015 11: 51
    0
    The strength is not impressive, but the help is real! Let's see what this force will do there! Maybe the terms of the operation can be significantly reduced together. I would not want to transfer this bagpipe to the next year ..
  34. iv-nord
    iv-nord 23 November 2015 12: 10
    0
    Joint blows will bring the end of the igles closer. There may be warming between countries on this wave. After all, the French pilots fought with the Nazis along with the Soviet in Normandy-Niemen. True on our airplanes.
  35. iouris
    iouris 23 November 2015 12: 17
    0
    The aircraft carrier was sent to bolster France's claims to a special role in the upcoming redistribution of the B.Vostok. Cooperation with those who are waging a total war of destruction against Russia as a subject of economics and politics means pulling chestnuts out of the fire, I think so. Our Western and Ukrainian "partners" in the coffin saw us in white slippers. This is indicated by Yabloko's very clear position.
    1. U-96
      U-96 23 November 2015 12: 33
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Ukrainian "partners" in the coffin saw us in white slippers.

      I didn’t quite understand something: what about the xoxly? They also pretend
      Quote: iouris
      on a special role in the upcoming redistribution of B. Vostok.
      ?
      1. tolian
        tolian 23 November 2015 19: 35
        0
        U-2, are you portraying or really "smart"?
  36. Support
    Support 23 November 2015 13: 54
    0
    Honestly, for me, the napig frogs would not have fallen. Freeloaders. They supported Hitler throughout the Second World War, but in the end ended up in a group of winners. What a fright? Then it was necessary to all who at the end of the war abandoned Adolphus, record in the winners. And now, too, the igil will come to an end, and these snail lovers will beat with a heel in the chest, that they have made a greater contribution than Russia. The dives .....
  37. win
    win 23 November 2015 14: 15
    +3
    The French are just about to bomb the terrorists, but already note that they will do it as efficiently as possible, withоintensity.
    Compared to whom?
    Really with the Russian?
    With your 18 fighters and 8 attack aircraft?
    Here's how PR.
    1. red_october
      red_october 23 November 2015 17: 01
      +1
      Wait, they will follow the Americans together with the video from the website of our Defense Ministry tyrit and pass off as their own: "Look how we are bombing!"
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    3. win
      win 25 November 2015 16: 06
      +2
      We flew to the bombing 2(as many as two!) attack aircraft.
      Were in the air 7hours with refueling.
      On the road intercepted a group of terrorists and destroyed.
      As well as several tanks.
      Oooh what efficiency!
  38. tvgpvo
    tvgpvo 23 November 2015 14: 45
    0
    I have vague doubts about the effectiveness of the blows. 8 stormtroopers is of course a "mighty" group.
  39. msm
    msm 23 November 2015 15: 22
    0
    "Trust, but verify"We need MANPADS ... but how can we use them in Syria so as not to lose? That's the question
  40. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 November 2015 16: 16
    0
    It was not long ago considered that it makes no sense to use our Kuznetsov in Syria, there are few planes, few bombs, he himself is small. But the French, instead of reasoning, took even smaller AV with the same air group and applied it.
  41. gammipapa
    gammipapa 23 November 2015 22: 03
    0
    Most likely I'm wrong, but as an option.
    But is there an arrival of this aircraft carrier with the aim of destroying it there? Everyone is waiting for how to ignite the wick of war in an adult, so that literally everyone gets involved. Amerikosy masters of different setups. If you add up the links of one chain, how to make the world fight, and make profit and sit on it yourself - according to plan.
    1- flood EU with refugees and militants
    2- organize attacks
    3- it is fair to direct anger where necessary and send EU troops to hell
    4 - organize the death of these same military
    5- well, now beat your foreheads there to death, and we will help (not free of course)
    like a note.

    What exactly is the EU, and not Russia? everything is also very predictable, the EU has all nuclear reserves under the tight control of America, and Russia is not very predictable.