Testing the wheel version of the "Coalition"

In Russia, a prototype of a wheel version of a self-propelled howitzer “Coalition-SV” based on KamAZ has been created and is being tested, RIA News a message from the deputy chief of the Missile Forces and Artillery (MFA) Alexander Drahovalovsky.

“The wheeled version is also being developed and is already in hardware. So far, what has been done now is done on the basis of KamAZ. I think the KamAZ base is fairly reliable. If there are any comments during the tests, they will eliminate them, ”the Major General said in an interview with the Russian Service News».

According to him, the tests are already underway.

“No one will make samples that will not be regular and serial. The sample undergoes many tests of different levels before getting into the series and entering into service with the troops, ”said Dragovalovsky.

When asked about the timing of howitzer entry into the troops, he replied: “I just can’t say the deadlines. For now, we are focusing on a tracked chassis base. ”

According to the general, one Coalition-SV cannon can replace a whole battery.

“The instrument is modern, new. Its capabilities are such that practically one weapon can replace an artillery battery, ”he said.

Dragovalovsky recalled that "the artillery system operates in an automated mode, while its crew is outside the tower, which is uninhabited."

Comments

[I read the news]

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

[lis-ik]

For example, fast transfer on public roads.

[Kostyar]

Here are the Kulebyakins, well done! Creative thought does not sleep!
Thanks to innovations, only in recent years, our army seems to be the most modern in the world !!!

[GRAY]

Quote: lis-ik

For example, fast transfer on public roads.

And this chassis is loved in all sorts of hot countries.

[Vita vko]

I remember recently in Kazakhstan they tried to install the D-30 on Kamaz. At first, the frame broke, and when it was strengthened, after a dozen shots, the nuts flew off even on wheels, not to mention the engine.
Here, judging by the drawing, the platform was strengthened, but you won’t get anywhere from vibration. There will be many problems.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Vita VKO

There will be many problems.

But when firing, the system does not rely on wheels, but on special supports with hydraulics. The frame and the figure shows that it is quite reinforced.
And so, - a promising thing.

[ilyinval61]

Yes. judging by the photograph from Kamaz, only the driver’s cabin.

[gladcu2]

oldseaman1957

What you see in the picture is an amateur art, for clarity.

It is doubtful that an artusis of such power will be based on such a weak platform. Paws will have to be bred to a radius of 5 meters. Yes, and the platform itself will have to rest on the ground with a stove. By type D-30.

[CTABEP]

Well, Archer was done in Sweden, I think ours will be no more stupid, they will figure out how to do it without stopping the plates - otherwise the meaning is lost, you can’t quickly relocate the gun after the salvo. The frame there will obviously not be native :).

[iAi]

Have you seen the Swedish Archer? He has a biaxial tractor, then comes some kind of hinge, then a platform with a gun.

[Juborg]

Quote: Vita VKO

I remember recently in Kazakhstan they tried to install the D-30 on Kamaz. At first, the frame broke, and when it was strengthened, after a dozen shots, the nuts flew off even on wheels, not to mention the engine.
Here, judging by the drawing, the platform was strengthened, but you won’t get anywhere from vibration. There will be many problems.

There is a small nuance, here it’s not just a reinforced frame, here the installation is raised above the ground, on its paws, as on the same air defense systems (Iskander, Poplar). In addition, the gun itself has undergone substantial changes.

[architect]

the Swedes put their archer on the Volvo chassis and it seems to work

[rumpeljschtizhen]

the Swedes put their archer on the Volvo chassis and it seems to work

so too Volvo

[Andrey Gladkikh]

"So too Volvo."
If you are about comfort and safety, then yes - the identity of Volvo. And if about strength and endurance (which is what is needed in this case), then Volvo trucks have nothing to do with it. Tell me - how many Paris-Dakars did Volvo trucks win? The answer is none. Because they just do not participate in this rally. And how much did Kamaz win? Many times. So not everything is so simple with Volvo.

[chinArmy]

Quote: Andrey Gladkikh

"So too Volvo."
If you are about comfort and safety, then yes - the identity of Volvo. And if about strength and endurance (which is what is needed in this case), then Volvo trucks have nothing to do with it. Tell me - how many Paris-Dakars did Volvo trucks win? The answer is none. Because they just do not participate in this rally. And how much did Kamaz win? Many times. So not everything is so simple with Volvo.

Kamaz, which win "Dakar" all over the country collect cogs. This is a piece production, where domestic components in critical places have long been abandoned.

Clutch, gearbox, shock absorbers, tires. The engine, and that YaMZ, which somehow passed on environmental indicators in this marathon, was replaced by Liebherr D9508

There is one name from Kamaz and a cabin. Link to the official website of the team with TTX trucks http://www.kamazmaster.ru/team/trucks/kamaz-43262013-g

As a mechanic, I don’t have to tell that our trucks are reliable. Everything that can break there will definitely break

As an example, let me give you a case. In our SCANIA service, the truck stood for several months after an accident in a parking lot on the street, while a denyuzhka was found for its repair. So when they began to turn off the air system, it turned out that there all the time the pressure was regular, as if the compressor had filled it a couple of minutes ago.

In Kamaz, for example, air would have come out of the circuit in a couple of hours.

About our 740-th engine and its modifications it is generally pointless to speak, even if they put Chinese Cummins at the factory, so that Kamaz is somehow bought

In short, it makes no sense, it seems to me here to describe all the minuses and poles.

My conclusion: where from the military will unbreakable and "not-having-analog-in-the-world" trucks come from when the plant, in principle, cannot produce them. Most of the components are assembled with the same hands on the same production line

[rumpeljschtizhen]

look NATO army trucks are exactly European ... and compare with KAMAZ
far kamaz is still very far

[Grigory]

I think Kamaz will be like this http://topwar.ru/84109-kamaz-postroil-mnogokolesnyy-tyagach-v-interesah-minoboro
ny.html and this is just a picture

[architect]

multi-axis platform for art installation is redundant, most likely they use BAZ

[combat192]

Quote: Vita VKO

There will be many problems.

Solved. There is world experience in the design and manufacture of wheeled self-propelled guns of this caliber.

[iAi]

The world experience in the design and manufacture of wheeled self-propelled guns of this caliber is negative.

[OlegLex]

and they will be, but they are all solved. Here the main thing that they decided to solve.

[edge]

Quote: Vita VKO

the platform was strengthened, but you won’t get anywhere from vibration. There will be many problems.

however, the Swedes 152-mm stand on wheels and work normally, are considered almost the best in the world.

[oleg-gr]

It looks like an uninhabited tower is a feature of all the latest developments. The crew sits in cover and presses the buttons.

[castle]

If the tower is uninhabited, then why is there an ejector on the gun barrel? The ejector is installed on the gun to reduce the gas contamination of the fighting compartments of tanks, self-propelled guns, etc., for more comfortable working conditions for the crew. On the "Armata" the gun is already without the ejector. Making a tool with an ejector is more time consuming than without. It means more expensive.

[Setrac]

Is this an ejector? Maybe a muzzle brake?

[gladcu2]

Hard

Standardized with revenge. And improved serviceability. Gunpowder smoke with moisture, give an aggressive corrosive environment.

[Shuttle]

Quote: oleg-gr

It looks like an uninhabited tower is a feature of all the latest developments. The crew sits in cover and presses the buttons.

Yes it is!
Unmanned Aircraft. Big and small.
Unmanned tanks.
Unmanned self-propelled guns.
Unmanned ships.
But with submarines, complexity can happen.

[Grandfather Eugene]

Project 6 and its further development. These are unmanned underwater strike means.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: lis-ik

For example, fast transfer on public roads.

Precisely, precisely, colleague, in Europe the roads are good.

[Alexei]

Quote: lis-ik

For example, fast transfer on public roads.

And I'm more interested in how quickly it unfolds and especially collapses, because the return flies quite quickly.

[alecsis69]

Don't forget about coastal artillery. They have long been talking about replacing the "Bereg" and unification of calibers.

[bayard]

And also as a coastal complex.

[KCA]

and at distances inaccessible to tracked vehicles without carrying out those. works

[figwam]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

For Assad’s army, this is better than caterpillars, it all depends on the terrain on which the equipment will be operated, for us only on caterpillar tracks.

[Hagalaz]

Provided they have well-developed road infrastructure, they are more mobile.

[provincial]

in Europe, the roads are not bad, maybe I'm wrong. I haven’t been there yet.

[NIKNN]

Provincial (4) SU Today, 12:30 PM ↑ New

in Europe, the roads are not bad, maybe I'm wrong. I haven’t been there yet

Well, no matter how cool it suggests ... and positively your optimism to my liking (based on their policy)

[seos]

Based on a civil truck - cheaper

[SRC P-15]

Quote: seos

Based on a civil truck - cheaper

I think also because thanks to the multiple victories of our "KAMAZ" vehicles in the "Paris - Dakar" rally, this art complex will be bought abroad much more willingly!

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: SRC P-15

Quote: seos

Based on a civil truck - cheaper

I think also because thanks to the multiple victories of our "KAMAZ" vehicles in the "Paris - Dakar" rally, this art complex will be bought abroad much more willingly!

Dakarovsky Kamaz has practically no Russian parts, except for the cabin, frame and, most importantly, the crew. practically does not apply to serial production.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: wasjasibirjac

Dakarovsky Kamaz has practically no Russian parts, except for the cabin, frame and, most importantly, the crew. practically does not apply to serial production.

Promoted brand, in symbiosis with advanced artillery mounting will be more successful! So understandable?

[barik92090]

By bike, even cheaper.

[Mera joota]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

Cost, deployment time, mobility.

[Hey]

As for the deployment, I would argue.
4 "paws" to spread, even automatically.

[cniza]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

Would give more TTX, otherwise it’s absolutely nothing and it seems to me KAMAZ is not the most reliable option.

[GRAY]

Quote: cniza

KAMAZ is not the most reliable option.

There’s one cabin from him, apparently. This is not a regular truck.

[Corsair]

Quote: cniza

Would give more TTX, otherwise it’s absolutely nothing and it seems to me KAMAZ is not the most reliable option.

On the basis of the Urals, most likely, Kamaz’s engines are too resourceful, they will tear off iron on the roads or bury where it’s not necessary, although of course it’s the most to drive along the tracks. On the basis of the Urals, hoists have long existed for underground and major well repairs; instead of the tower, it’s easy to make hydraulic hinged paws there

[Appraiser]

In maneuverability on public roads, and the cheapness of the chassis (wheelbase).

[shark913]

AT ROAD TRAFFIC.

[architect]

mobility low cost of production low cost of operation

[Basarev]

If only the wheeled version of the T-14 was built, it would be really cool.

[Setrac]

18 wheels of justice?

[IS-80]

Quote: Basarev

If only the wheeled version of the T-14 was built, it would be really cool.

And the T-15. And I think we should consider the railway version of the Coalition. And the ability to install the T-50 on skis to be able to use at sub-zero temperatures from an unprepared airfield. And return the upgraded version of the An-2 with the possibility of launch and landing on ultrashort platforms with an auxiliary engine for vertical take-off with a variable thrust vector.

[opus]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

1.Mass, air transportable by many airplanes
2. Rides quietly on add
3. You can quickly fade by firing
4. More economical (on fuel consumption)
5. For many potential buyers, psaltery is not needed.
6. Significantly cheaper, because the truck chassis is a continuous conveyor product.

[IS-80]

Quote: opus

1.Mass, air transportable by many airplanes
2. Rides quietly on add
3. You can quickly fade by firing
4. More economical (on fuel consumption)
5. For many potential buyers, psaltery is not needed.
6. Significantly cheaper, because the truck chassis is a continuous conveyor product.

Even if there is an additional well-developed platform in case it is necessary to increase the output of plants, there is not one vulnerability to release a production plant.

True, on point 6 there it is not entirely clear how strong unification with civilian products is.

[opus]

Quote: IS-80

the need to increase the output of installations, less vulnerability of the output of the production plant is not one.

trunks (tower installations with SU) is not enough. This is not AK.
They are few and expensive, and the production cycle is not weak.
Therefore, vehicles registered with the military registration and enlistment office are not suitable in case of war

Quote: IS-80

True, on point 6 there it is not entirely clear how strong unification with civilian products is.

added by:
swap
-other pch in checkpoint and razdatke
-heating
- excess (civilian) removed.
The frame, in principle, is one, to enhance the insertion
Chassis KAMAZ 65201 (8x4) (most likely) tipper / crane chassis, only in the version for MO.

It is not necessary to strengthen it.

I think the KAMAZ 6540 (8x4) Chassis will do the same. There are differences from 65201 amplifiers

=====================================
The KrAZ-7E6316 was good

[IS-80]

Quote: opus

trunks (tower installations with SU) is not enough.

Well, you never know what happens. In any case, an additional chassis plus.

added by:
swap
-other pch in checkpoint and razdatke
-heating
- excess (civilian) removed.
The frame, in principle, is one, to enhance the insertion

I wonder how much it all increases the cost of the car. Will the cabin be standard unarmored?

[opus]

Quote: IS-80

I wonder how much it all increases the cost of the car. Will the cabin be standard unarmored?

Who will tell the military?
Tire inflation system for UAZ HUNTER 1 990 €
Central lubrication from 180 € (for truck)
heater from 1 990 € (for truck)
fuel filter heating from 80 €
PPC and others up to + 40% of the cost base standard PPC (for MAN)
The reinforced frame at MAN costs from + 15% (8x4 container ship and 8 X4 dump truck / concrete mixer) to the cost of the frame
well and so on

[Igor Olegovich]

The wheel platform is aimed at a foreign buyer.

[Nick]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

Most likely more economical to operate and cheaper.

[vodolaz]

That's right, you have to have all the options. Given the great mobility and efficiency of wheel options when using on public roads.

[gav6757]

A wheel platform is needed to travel around Europe !!!
In Russia, such crap will not go far, but for our "Western partners" just right !!!

[vex]

Perhaps just a lot cheaper than the tracked version. If some systems can be moved on roads and used on them, then why tracks? And the existing capacities of tank builders can be concentrated on the rebar family.

[Alexey-74]

maneuverability, travel time, high-speed transportation on public roads ....

[KBR109]

Transfer speed and power reserve before repairs. Essential for coastal artillery complexes. Well, in Africa they love this thing.

[Mountain shooter]

And what - cheap, mobile. In operation, much cheaper. And the fact that it is not so passable, so with its range, the attachment to a more or less passable terrain for wheeled vehicles is not such a drawback, but for military theaters like Syrian, there are some advantages.

[Mera joota]

while her crew is outside the tower, which is uninhabited

In the figure on the tower an anti-aircraft machine gun which clearly speaks of the habitability of the tower. Or the drawing has nothing to do with reality.

[Sivan]

In the figure on the tower an anti-aircraft machine gun which clearly speaks of the habitability of the tower. Or the drawing has nothing to do with reality.

A remotely controlled machine gun installation was invented a long time ago!

Here, for example, Armata. Is the tower inhabited too?


And here is the Coalition-SV itself.

[Prapor-527]

Quote: Mera Joota

In the figure on the tower an anti-aircraft machine gun which clearly speaks of the habitability of the tower. Or the drawing has nothing to do with reality.

This photo clearly shows the remotely controlled module with the "Kord" machine gun ... (clickable)

[dchegrinec]

Very mobile and interesting option! It can easily change the place of deployment over long distances. In Syria today is very much in demand! Middle Eastern countries should be very interested in such a development.

[shelva]

The base can be caterpillar - it does not matter. A good continuation of Acacia and Hyacinth.

[Alex1977RUS]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

Cheap, maintainability is higher, the resource is longer, the fuel supply in the course is usually more.
Drivers of lower qualification. This is the same truck. Not the driver of the tracked vehicles, but the truck driver)))
Caterpillar chassis is advantageous to use where you need equipment operating in conjunction with tanks,
able to act together with them. If it’s quite simple - capable of driving where the tank is, at the same speed, and ideally unified by chassis. The same spare parts, fuel, ARVs, trained technicians ... But on the basis of MBT it is still expensive to make self-propelled guns. Therefore, we mainly MTLB, used, a very successful chassis turned out.
In other cases, economically and in terms of logistics, a wheeled chassis is preferable.

[APASUS]

The picture is purely conventional, isn’t this a tool?

[Artyom]

I think they’ll put it on this base.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Artyom

I think they’ll put it on this base.

The new armored tractor KamAZ-78504 with the formula 8x8. At KAMAZ, 3 platforms for various purposes were created right away. These are truck and ballast tractors with an 8 × 8 wheel arrangement with a loading capacity of 90-165 and 75 tons, respectively. As well as a 12-wheeled platform with a lifting capacity of up to 50 tons, which will be the carrier of mobile dormitories, communication centers, command posts, headquarters and combat duty support posts.

[self-propelled]

Quote: APASUS

The picture is purely conventional, isn’t this a tool?

like the Serbian NORA B-52. has nothing to do with the "Coalition"

pictured modification of NORA B-52K1

[Bayonet]

Quote: APASUS

The picture is purely conventional, isn’t this a tool?

Serbian self-propelled self-propelled gun NORA B-52

[Cis-Urals]

It seems to me that a caterpillar move is for itself, and wheels will be exported. But what kind of KAMAZ lobby is it? Does the flimsy chassis hurt?

[Artyom]

Old Man is bulling, so we decided to do it on our own chassis.

[pts-m]

Cool device! the most profitable option, provided that in the regions where it will be used there should be KAMAZ civilian trucks, so that, if necessary, they should expropriate interchangeable engine parts, transmission parts from them.

[Sergei 67]

Under it MZKT just right.

[slaw14]

It has long been no secret that the transfer to a wheeled platform is carried out at the request of the UAE. At one time, the "Shell" was also on the tracks. The Kamaz platform is also the choice of Arab buyers.

[self-propelled]

Quote: slaw14

At one time, the "Pantsir" was also on the tracks. The Kamaz platform is also the choice of Arab buyers.

"Pantsir-C1" was originally supposed to be installed on various chassis and carriers. there were the first options on the chassis of BAZ, Ural, etc. for the UAE "Pantsiri" were installed on the "foreign" MAN chassis, the Algerian ones were installed on the Kamaz chassis ...

[tol]

That's right, photo from the factory

[smith7]

Quote: seos

Based on a civil truck - cheaper

On the basis of a civilian truck, only carry footcloths. This is an artillery system, and for its placement on a mobile platform, it is necessary to provide for a "bunch of structural elements" that fundamentally change the technical qualities of a civilian truck. Therefore, on the basis of the civilian Kamaz, a specially prepared platform was manufactured in the factory and the necessary tests were carried out to confirm the reliability of the modified civilian vehicle. All this is significantly more expensive than a serial civilian truck or, as the military say, NHN vehicles - for national economic purposes.

[dorward]

Many in VO consider concepts and promising weapons from the point of view of Assad’s army. Is this right?
I'm sure that the "good old" systems in Syria are more in demand. Both from the point of view of local knowledge of control units, repairs and application possibilities, and from a purely combat point of view.
Or am I still wrong? Then explain.

[IAlex]

Many in VO consider concepts and promising weapons from the point of view of Assad’s army. Is this right?

And there is nothing else left, for 25 years we have only concepts, pictures of promising weapons and prototypes from the parade - this is all that the Russian Defense Ministry has and, as a result, in the military. You cannot send these very concepts, pictures, and prototypes to a real war in Syria so that you can discuss how they showed themselves there against even outdated US weapons ...
And the old models of the 80s are no longer relevant as they are not updated, all of their weaknesses are known to the enemy, and the CIA bandits have enough new weapons of the 90s for the technology of the 80s. T.ch. Junk discuss hopelessly, pointlessly and discussed 101 times ...
So they rumble around in a circle rumors, domestics and tales ...

[smith7]

Quote: Bone

Thanks to innovations, only in recent years, our army seems to be the most modern in the world !!!

Don't say "Gop!" ... There are so many unresolved systemic problems in the defense industry ... and the economic policy of the Government does not at all contribute to their solution. It is not the time to panic, but there are serious fears that "bombs and shells" and "various other weapons" will soon run out. The industry plows in without unbending in three shifts. And there is no end to this rush.

[Dimon19661]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

Cheapness.

[BOB044]

It would be easier gun Kamaz I think would have withstood the return. And he will scatter it, the base on the track is more reliable and will be more accurate. It’s not the time of arrival at the firing point.

[geek2101]

Yeah. A platform would be more serious than Kamaz.
Many broads cannot stand it.
But in general - THING!
He quickly drove up, quickly flicked, quickly faded.

[andrewkor]

SAU DANA from CSSR

[sobi]

as far as I know, the wheeled platform was not planned, but was imposed on the petrel in an orderly order to obtain a contract ... the wheeled coalition has long been in iron and the first instance

[CRASH]

Why haven't they done it yet? South Africa is doing, the British are doing, and again we have undercover maneuvers?

[bubla5]

Better your own than Italian hurna

[HaKim]

How much time will it take to deploy the installation?

[stas74]

One can argue for a long time regarding the placement of the combat module on a wheeled chassis. Lobbying yes
That’s how much money is needed for development. Considering the quality of the KAMAZ, the gun will not last a long time to fall apart. The combat module itself should be placed separately, like a Swedish crossbow, and not on a production platform.

[tinibar]

Quote: lis-ik

For example, fast transfer on public roads.

And cheaper! ...

[Nikolay71]

Isn’t it easier to make a towed option?

[Dimon19661]

Quote: stas74

One can argue for a long time regarding the placement of the combat module on a wheeled chassis. Lobbying yes
That’s how much money is needed for development. Considering the quality of the KAMAZ, the gun will not last a long time to fall apart. The combat module itself should be placed separately, like a Swedish crossbow, and not on a production platform.

Well, about the KAMAZ-channel The national geographer (I hope you remember whose one) recognized KAMAZ as the strongest truck in the world. But this is a lyrical digression. But in the case, do you really think that the combat module will be located on a regular base chassis? Or Do you really think that the enterprise’s designers do not realize what kind of technical task they received and how it should be implemented? Hmm ... couch experts, they factuly on this forum.

[aleksandrs95]

Of course the wheeled chassis isn’t anywhere, but only summer or frost is normal. The most is the price and mobility and speed, a lot of pluses + weight, which means better air mobility. In principle, 25-30% can be wheeled, for export they they’re better off than on the basis of Almaty. All the same, there will be no total war, and a bunch of local conflicts of rather serious intensity, but there are NO alternatives to wheels.

[round]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

In order not to spoil the European roads

[Kyrgyz]

Can’t you do the hitch for the tractor?
So that you don’t have to cut the platform on purpose, it’s easier to develop a trolley with a reinforced traction hitch and a standard serial tractor

[bubla5]

With counter-battery operation, the trailer is of course simpler and cheaper, especially if lost

[Olegmog]

At work, you have to transport different tracked vehicles
technique. Very strong smut! Getting permission,
traffic police escort, etc.! Placement of the combat module,
It seems reasonable to me. 20% percent on wheels
should be. Especially with the advent of the restless, galloping
neighbor's side!

[Earnest]

Quote: Setrac

Is this an ejector? Maybe a muzzle brake?

On the muzzle - a muzzle brake, a thickening in the middle of the barrel (in the brown picture) - an ejector. An uninhabited fighting compartment does not mean an automatic refusal to eject combustion products from the bore, at least to enter the calculation to eliminate malfunctions during failures, so as not to lose time on airing.

[Stilet]

The muzzle brake is needed to reduce the recoil of the gun - "short stroke", and this in turn reduces the load on the ramp and on the stop system. The wheelbase is several times more efficient in terms of operation than the tracked one, that is, increasing the mobility of the complex is only to our advantage. Again, from the point of view of the military budget (not the same as in Obamia) it turns out as efficiently as possible at relatively low costs.

[marder4]

interesting - at the parade show?

[Denis Skiff]

Class! And the asphalt is intact and the targets hit. Powerful gun!

[samoletil18]

Wheels instead of tracks! Rezun-Suvorov is already writing something.

[berkut9737]

Testing the wheel version of the "Coalition"

I wouldn't be surprised if a flying version of the Coalition appears. Probably, the flying version already exists, but is classified.

[Dmitriy42]

To pay for electricity in 2 times less real! I advise absolutely everyone to familiarize themselves with this article from an electrician with 20 years of experience sh.sg/save personally, I'm just really unrealistic!

[ayuric]

Quote: opus

Quote: IS-80

I wonder how much it all increases the cost of the car. Will the cabin be standard unarmored?

Who will tell the military?
Tire inflation system for UAZ HUNTER 1 990 €
Central lubrication from 180 € (for truck)
heater from 1 990 € (for truck)
fuel filter heating from 80 €
PPC and others up to + 40% of the cost base standard PPC (for MAN)
The reinforced frame at MAN costs from + 15% (8x4 container ship and 8 X4 dump truck / concrete mixer) to the cost of the frame
well and so on

Well, multiply by XX, since this will go with the acceptance of 5-7 or 9, the price tag increases automatically at times

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Cool stuff

[Balagan]

And the calculation of how many people? Well, the driver - time. The commander is two. Is the gunner separate or is the commander doing all this? In principle, if you make an sensible commander’s seat, the good place in the cockpit allows - two people per calculation - it’s enough. Two fighters instead of 4-5 in classic self-propelled guns are a curious option.

[Alekseits]

"Our slogan should be one:" More goods, good and different. "

[Wolka]

But is it worth it to fence in the garden, may be puzzled by the creation of high-precision rackets ground-to-ground of the appropriate range ...

[_KM_]

A howitzer on a wheeled chassis is a good idea. The car is mobile, has no overall restrictions when driving on public roads, is economical, etc. But it seems to me that KAMAZ is not very suitable as a carrier. Not everything is going smoothly with reliability, reliability, etc. And there are a lot of imported components. In addition, again IMHO, KAMAZ can not stand the shots. What is needed is not just a subframe for installing the tower, but a special platform that isolates the frame of the machine from weapons. I think that the MAZ / MZKT chassis is more promising in this case.

[Evil 55]

Any car frame has maximum weight tolerances .. It is time to switch to the technique of a separate-aggregate running system .. Reliability, load capacity, mobility ..

[Susul]

To all skeptics who believe that wheels are not a suitable platform for an artillery system, I want to remind you that in Russia a coastal artillery complex with the consonant name "Coast" is crawling along the Black Sea coast.
Yes, and the Europeans and South Africa do not hesitate to put self-propelled guns on wheels.
Here, after all, the main thing is that the chassis was initially sharpened for the system.

[_KM_]

The Bereg was built not on the chassis of a commercial truck, but on the chassis of a special military vehicle.

[ilyaches]

An interesting machine should work.

[Zaurbek]

If there was a howitzer on Kamaz as on Caesar, without a tower, I still believe that the truck will survive. And with an automatic loader, armor, etc. It fell apart while driving. The Swedes installed on Volvo, but not a truck, an articulated half-tractor-half-truck system.

[wizarden]

At one time I liked the Swedish Archer, now ours have caught up with Coalitsa.

[Dimon-chik-79]

FOREVER! Today, self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis are in trend. And the validity of this vector of development of barrel artillery was completely confirmed in the Donbass. Where artillery was very actively used and a significant advantage for the crews was mobility when changing firing positions.

[Alex20042004]

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

Probably, if one wheel of a pair of wheels fails, then you can somehow hobble on the other wheel.
In my opinion, the gun should be on a semi-trailer or trailer, but here in the picture I don’t understand something...

[Sergei N 58912062]

Quote: Alex20042004

Quote: I readNews

What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

Probably, if one wheel of a pair of wheels fails, then you can somehow hobble on the other wheel.
In my opinion, the gun should be on a semi-trailer or trailer, but here in the picture I don’t understand something...

What's not clear? Wheeled version of self-propelled gun 2S35-1 "Coalition-SV-KSh"

[Sergei N 58912062]

The year is 2023, 8 years have already passed, and things are still there.
The Serbs have long been armed with several variants of their NORA B-52 wheeled self-propelled guns.