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Testing the wheel version of the "Coalition"

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In Russia, a prototype of a wheel version of a self-propelled howitzer “Coalition-SV” based on KamAZ has been created and is being tested, RIA News a message from the deputy chief of the Missile Forces and Artillery (MFA) Alexander Drahovalovsky.


Testing the wheel version of the "Coalition"


“The wheeled version is also being developed and is already in hardware. So far, what has been done now is done on the basis of KamAZ. I think the KamAZ base is fairly reliable. If there are any comments during the tests, they will eliminate them, ”the Major General said in an interview with the Russian Service News».

According to him, the tests are already underway.

“No one will make samples that will not be regular and serial. The sample undergoes many tests of different levels before getting into the series and entering into service with the troops, ”said Dragovalovsky.

When asked about the timing of howitzer entry into the troops, he replied: “I just can’t say the deadlines. For now, we are focusing on a tracked chassis base. ”

According to the general, one Coalition-SV cannon can replace a whole battery.

“The instrument is modern, new. Its capabilities are such that practically one weapon can replace an artillery battery, ”he said.

Dragovalovsky recalled that "the artillery system operates in an automated mode, while its crew is outside the tower, which is uninhabited."
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  1. I read the news
    I read the news 22 November 2015 11: 33
    +5
    What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 22 November 2015 11: 37
      98
      For example, fast transfer on public roads.
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 22 November 2015 11: 43
        23
        Here are the Kulebyakins, well done! Creative thought does not sleep!
        Thanks to innovations, only in recent years, our army seems to be the most modern in the world !!!
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 22 November 2015 12: 00
        46
        Quote: lis-ik
        For example, fast transfer on public roads.

        And this chassis is loved in all sorts of hot countries.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 22 November 2015 12: 13
          22
          I remember recently in Kazakhstan they tried to install the D-30 on Kamaz. At first, the frame broke, and when it was strengthened, after a dozen shots, the nuts flew off even on wheels, not to mention the engine.
          Here, judging by the drawing, the platform was strengthened, but you won’t get anywhere from vibration. There will be many problems.
          1. oldseaman1957
            oldseaman1957 22 November 2015 12: 33
            22
            Quote: Vita VKO
            There will be many problems.

            But when firing, the system does not rely on wheels, but on special supports with hydraulics. The frame and the figure shows that it is quite reinforced.
            And so, - a promising thing.
            1. ilyinval61
              ilyinval61 23 November 2015 12: 51
              +3
              Yes. judging by the photograph from Kamaz, only the driver’s cabin.
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 23 November 2015 18: 16
              +3
              oldseaman1957

              What you see in the picture is an amateur art, for clarity.

              It is doubtful that an artusis of such power will be based on such a weak platform. Paws will have to be bred to a radius of 5 meters. Yes, and the platform itself will have to rest on the ground with a stove. By type D-30.
              1. CTABEP
                CTABEP 24 November 2015 21: 30
                0
                Well, Archer was done in Sweden, I think ours will be no more stupid, they will figure out how to do it without stopping the plates - otherwise the meaning is lost, you can’t quickly relocate the gun after the salvo. The frame there will obviously not be native :).
                1. iAi
                  iAi 25 November 2015 10: 44
                  0
                  Have you seen the Swedish Archer? He has a biaxial tractor, then comes some kind of hinge, then a platform with a gun.
          2. Juborg
            Juborg 22 November 2015 12: 57
            +7
            Quote: Vita VKO
            I remember recently in Kazakhstan they tried to install the D-30 on Kamaz. At first, the frame broke, and when it was strengthened, after a dozen shots, the nuts flew off even on wheels, not to mention the engine.
            Here, judging by the drawing, the platform was strengthened, but you won’t get anywhere from vibration. There will be many problems.



            There is a small nuance, here it’s not just a reinforced frame, here the installation is raised above the ground, on its paws, as on the same air defense systems (Iskander, Poplar). In addition, the gun itself has undergone substantial changes.
          3. architect
            architect 22 November 2015 13: 30
            11
            the Swedes put their archer on the Volvo chassis and it seems to work
            1. rumpeljschtizhen
              rumpeljschtizhen 23 November 2015 15: 20
              +2
              the Swedes put their archer on the Volvo chassis and it seems to work

              so too Volvo
              1. Andrey Gladkikh
                Andrey Gladkikh 24 November 2015 00: 00
                +3
                "So too Volvo."
                If you are about comfort and safety, then yes - the identity of Volvo. And if about strength and endurance (which is what is needed in this case), then Volvo trucks have nothing to do with it. Tell me - how many Paris-Dakars did Volvo trucks win? The answer is none. Because they just do not participate in this rally. And how much did Kamaz win? Many times. So not everything is so simple with Volvo.
                1. chinArmy
                  chinArmy 24 November 2015 04: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
                  "So too Volvo."
                  If you are about comfort and safety, then yes - the identity of Volvo. And if about strength and endurance (which is what is needed in this case), then Volvo trucks have nothing to do with it. Tell me - how many Paris-Dakars did Volvo trucks win? The answer is none. Because they just do not participate in this rally. And how much did Kamaz win? Many times. So not everything is so simple with Volvo.


                  Kamaz, which win "Dakar" all over the country collect cogs. This is a piece production, where domestic components in critical places have long been abandoned.

                  Clutch, gearbox, shock absorbers, tires. The engine, and that YaMZ, which somehow passed on environmental indicators in this marathon, was replaced by Liebherr D9508

                  There is one name from Kamaz and a cabin. Link to the official website of the team with TTX trucks http://www.kamazmaster.ru/team/trucks/kamaz-43262013-g

                  As a mechanic, I don’t have to tell that our trucks are reliable. Everything that can break there will definitely break

                  As an example, let me give you a case. In our SCANIA service, the truck stood for several months after an accident in a parking lot on the street, while a denyuzhka was found for its repair. So when they began to turn off the air system, it turned out that there all the time the pressure was regular, as if the compressor had filled it a couple of minutes ago.

                  In Kamaz, for example, air would have come out of the circuit in a couple of hours.

                  About our 740-th engine and its modifications it is generally pointless to speak, even if they put Chinese Cummins at the factory, so that Kamaz is somehow bought

                  In short, it makes no sense, it seems to me here to describe all the minuses and poles.

                  My conclusion: where from the military will unbreakable and "not-having-analog-in-the-world" trucks come from when the plant, in principle, cannot produce them. Most of the components are assembled with the same hands on the same production line
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                3. rumpeljschtizhen
                  rumpeljschtizhen 29 November 2015 00: 43
                  +1
                  look NATO army trucks are exactly European ... and compare with KAMAZ
                  far kamaz is still very far
          4. grigoriy
            grigoriy 22 November 2015 18: 59
            +1
            I think Kamaz will be like this http://topwar.ru/84109-kamaz-postroil-mnogokolesnyy-tyagach-v-interesah-minoboro
            ny.html and this is just a picture
            1. architect
              architect 22 November 2015 20: 39
              +2
              multi-axis platform for art installation is redundant, most likely they use BAZ
          5. combat192
            combat192 23 November 2015 00: 55
            +3
            Quote: Vita VKO
            There will be many problems.

            Solved. There is world experience in the design and manufacture of wheeled self-propelled guns of this caliber.
            1. iAi
              iAi 25 November 2015 10: 32
              0
              The world experience in the design and manufacture of wheeled self-propelled guns of this caliber is negative.
          6. OlegLex
            OlegLex 23 November 2015 17: 53
            +1
            and they will be, but they are all solved. Here the main thing that they decided to solve.
          7. edge
            edge 24 November 2015 15: 43
            0
            Quote: Vita VKO
            the platform was strengthened, but you won’t get anywhere from vibration. There will be many problems.

            however, the Swedes 152-mm stand on wheels and work normally, are considered almost the best in the world.
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      3. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 22 November 2015 12: 53
        +6
        It looks like an uninhabited tower is a feature of all the latest developments. The crew sits in cover and presses the buttons.
        1. castle
          castle 22 November 2015 13: 19
          +2
          If the tower is uninhabited, then why is there an ejector on the gun barrel? The ejector is installed on the gun to reduce the gas contamination of the fighting compartments of tanks, self-propelled guns, etc., for more comfortable working conditions for the crew. On the "Armata" the gun is already without the ejector. Making a tool with an ejector is more time consuming than without. It means more expensive.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 22 November 2015 18: 15
            +2
            Is this an ejector? Maybe a muzzle brake?
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 23 November 2015 18: 41
            +1
            Hard

            Standardized with revenge. And improved serviceability. Gunpowder smoke with moisture, give an aggressive corrosive environment.
        2. Shuttle
          Shuttle 23 November 2015 17: 36
          +1
          Quote: oleg-gr
          It looks like an uninhabited tower is a feature of all the latest developments. The crew sits in cover and presses the buttons.

          Yes it is!
          Unmanned Aircraft. Big and small.
          Unmanned tanks.
          Unmanned self-propelled guns.
          Unmanned ships.
          But with submarines, complexity can happen.
          1. Grandfather Eugene
            Grandfather Eugene 23 November 2015 23: 51
            +1
            Project 6 and its further development. These are unmanned underwater strike means.
      4. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 22 November 2015 14: 16
        11
        Quote: lis-ik
        For example, fast transfer on public roads.


        Precisely, precisely, colleague, in Europe the roads are good. laughing
      5. Alexei
        Alexei 22 November 2015 16: 14
        +5
        Quote: lis-ik
        For example, fast transfer on public roads.

        And I'm more interested in how quickly it unfolds and especially collapses, because the return flies quite quickly.
        1. alecsis69
          alecsis69 22 November 2015 18: 05
          +3
          Don't forget about coastal artillery. They have long been talking about replacing the "Bereg" and unification of calibers.
      6. bayard
        bayard 22 November 2015 18: 24
        +3
        And also as a coastal complex.
      7. KCA
        KCA 23 November 2015 12: 00
        0
        and at distances inaccessible to tracked vehicles without carrying out those. works
    3. figwam
      figwam 22 November 2015 11: 37
      +2
      Quote: I readNews
      What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

      For Assad’s army, this is better than caterpillars, it all depends on the terrain on which the equipment will be operated, for us only on caterpillar tracks.
    4. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 22 November 2015 11: 37
      +5
      Provided they have well-developed road infrastructure, they are more mobile.
      1. provincial
        provincial 22 November 2015 12: 30
        +5
        in Europe, the roads are not bad, maybe I'm wrong. I haven’t been there yet.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 22 November 2015 13: 10
          +5
          Provincial (4) SU Today, 12:30 PM ↑ New

          in Europe, the roads are not bad, maybe I'm wrong. I haven’t been there yet


          Well, no matter how cool it suggests ... lol and positively your optimism to my liking (based on their policy) wink
    5. seos
      seos 22 November 2015 11: 41
      +6
      Based on a civil truck - cheaper
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 22 November 2015 11: 44
        13
        Quote: seos
        Based on a civil truck - cheaper

        I think also because thanks to the multiple victories of our "KAMAZ" vehicles in the "Paris - Dakar" rally, this art complex will be bought abroad much more willingly!
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 22 November 2015 14: 12
          +4
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Quote: seos
          Based on a civil truck - cheaper

          I think also because thanks to the multiple victories of our "KAMAZ" vehicles in the "Paris - Dakar" rally, this art complex will be bought abroad much more willingly!
          Dakarovsky Kamaz has practically no Russian parts, except for the cabin, frame and, most importantly, the crew. practically does not apply to serial production.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 22 November 2015 14: 53
            +4
            Quote: wasjasibirjac
            Dakarovsky Kamaz has practically no Russian parts, except for the cabin, frame and, most importantly, the crew. practically does not apply to serial production.

            Promoted brand, in symbiosis with advanced artillery mounting will be more successful! So understandable? hi
      2. barsik92090
        barsik92090 22 November 2015 19: 39
        -3
        By bike, even cheaper.
    6. Mera joota
      Mera joota 22 November 2015 11: 45
      +6
      Quote: I readNews
      What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

      Cost, deployment time, mobility.
      1. Hey
        Hey 22 November 2015 12: 55
        +3
        As for the deployment, I would argue.
        4 "paws" to spread, even automatically.
    7. cniza
      cniza 22 November 2015 11: 46
      +6
      Quote: I readNews
      What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?



      Would give more TTX, otherwise it’s absolutely nothing and it seems to me KAMAZ is not the most reliable option.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 22 November 2015 12: 25
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        KAMAZ is not the most reliable option.

        There’s one cabin from him, apparently. This is not a regular truck.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 23 November 2015 09: 24
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Would give more TTX, otherwise it’s absolutely nothing and it seems to me KAMAZ is not the most reliable option.

        what On the basis of the Urals, most likely, Kamaz’s engines are too resourceful, they will tear off iron on the roads or bury where it’s not necessary, although of course it’s the most to drive along the tracks. On the basis of the Urals, hoists have long existed for underground and major well repairs; instead of the tower, it’s easy to make hydraulic hinged paws there
    8. Appraiser
      Appraiser 22 November 2015 11: 49
      +3
      In maneuverability on public roads, and the cheapness of the chassis (wheelbase). soldier
    9. shark913
      shark913 22 November 2015 13: 04
      +2
      AT ROAD TRAFFIC.
    10. architect
      architect 22 November 2015 13: 29
      0
      mobility low cost of production low cost of operation
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 22 November 2015 15: 51
        0
        If only the wheeled version of the T-14 was built, it would be really cool.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 22 November 2015 18: 17
          +1
          18 wheels of justice?
        2. IS-80
          IS-80 22 November 2015 18: 21
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          If only the wheeled version of the T-14 was built, it would be really cool.

          And the T-15. And I think we should consider the railway version of the Coalition. And the ability to install the T-50 on skis to be able to use at sub-zero temperatures from an unprepared airfield. And return the upgraded version of the An-2 with the possibility of launch and landing on ultrashort platforms with an auxiliary engine for vertical take-off with a variable thrust vector.
    11. opus
      opus 22 November 2015 18: 14
      +5
      Quote: I readNews
      What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

      1.Mass, air transportable by many airplanes
      2. Rides quietly on add
      3. You can quickly fade by firing
      4. More economical (on fuel consumption)
      5. For many potential buyers, psaltery is not needed.
      6. Significantly cheaper, because the truck chassis is a continuous conveyor product.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 22 November 2015 18: 27
        0
        Quote: opus
        1.Mass, air transportable by many airplanes
        2. Rides quietly on add
        3. You can quickly fade by firing
        4. More economical (on fuel consumption)
        5. For many potential buyers, psaltery is not needed.
        6. Significantly cheaper, because the truck chassis is a continuous conveyor product.

        Even if there is an additional well-developed platform in case it is necessary to increase the output of plants, there is not one vulnerability to release a production plant.

        True, on point 6 there it is not entirely clear how strong unification with civilian products is.
        1. opus
          opus 22 November 2015 19: 26
          +2
          Quote: IS-80
          the need to increase the output of installations, less vulnerability of the output of the production plant is not one.

          trunks (tower installations with SU) is not enough. This is not AK.
          They are few and expensive, and the production cycle is not weak.
          Therefore, vehicles registered with the military registration and enlistment office are not suitable in case of war
          Quote: IS-80
          True, on point 6 there it is not entirely clear how strong unification with civilian products is.

          added by:
          swap
          -other pch in checkpoint and razdatke
          -heating
          - excess (civilian) removed.
          The frame, in principle, is one, to enhance the insertion
          Chassis KAMAZ 65201 (8x4) (most likely) tipper / crane chassis, only in the version for MO.

          It is not necessary to strengthen it.

          I think the KAMAZ 6540 (8x4) Chassis will do the same. There are differences from 65201 amplifiers

          =====================================
          The KrAZ-7E6316 was good
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 22 November 2015 20: 38
            0
            Quote: opus
            trunks (tower installations with SU) is not enough.

            Well, you never know what happens. In any case, an additional chassis plus.
            added by:
            swap
            -other pch in checkpoint and razdatke
            -heating
            - excess (civilian) removed.
            The frame, in principle, is one, to enhance the insertion

            I wonder how much it all increases the cost of the car. Will the cabin be standard unarmored?
            1. opus
              opus 23 November 2015 03: 00
              +1
              Quote: IS-80
              I wonder how much it all increases the cost of the car. Will the cabin be standard unarmored?

              Who will tell the military?
              Tire inflation system for UAZ HUNTER 1 990 €
              Central lubrication from 180 € (for truck)
              heater from 1 990 € (for truck)
              fuel filter heating from 80 €
              PPC and others up to + 40% of the cost base standard PPC (for MAN)
              The reinforced frame at MAN costs from + 15% (8x4 container ship and 8 X4 dump truck / concrete mixer) to the cost of the frame
              well and so on wink
    12. Igor Olegovich
      Igor Olegovich 22 November 2015 18: 52
      0
      The wheel platform is aimed at a foreign buyer.
    13. Nick
      Nick 22 November 2015 22: 35
      0
      Quote: I readNews
      What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

      Most likely more economical to operate and cheaper.
    14. vodolaz
      vodolaz 22 November 2015 23: 00
      0
      That's right, you have to have all the options. Given the great mobility and efficiency of wheel options when using on public roads.
    15. gav6757
      gav6757 22 November 2015 23: 16
      0
      A wheel platform is needed to travel around Europe !!!
      In Russia, such crap will not go far, but for our "Western partners" just right !!!
    16. vex
      vex 23 November 2015 00: 10
      0
      Perhaps just a lot cheaper than the tracked version. If some systems can be moved on roads and used on them, then why tracks? And the existing capacities of tank builders can be concentrated on the rebar family.
    17. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 23 November 2015 08: 51
      0
      maneuverability, travel time, high-speed transportation on public roads ....
  2. KBR109
    KBR109 22 November 2015 11: 40
    +7
    Transfer speed and power reserve before repairs. Essential for coastal artillery complexes. Well, in Africa they love this thing.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 November 2015 11: 42
    +6
    And what - cheap, mobile. In operation, much cheaper. And the fact that it is not so passable, so with its range, the attachment to a more or less passable terrain for wheeled vehicles is not such a drawback, but for military theaters like Syrian, there are some advantages.
  4. Mera joota
    Mera joota 22 November 2015 11: 51
    -6
    while her crew is outside the tower, which is uninhabited

    In the figure on the tower an anti-aircraft machine gun which clearly speaks of the habitability of the tower. Or the drawing has nothing to do with reality.
    1. SIvan
      SIvan 22 November 2015 12: 00
      10
      In the figure on the tower an anti-aircraft machine gun which clearly speaks of the habitability of the tower. Or the drawing has nothing to do with reality.

      A remotely controlled machine gun installation was invented a long time ago!

      Here, for example, Armata. Is the tower inhabited too?


      And here is the Coalition-SV itself.
    2. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 22 November 2015 14: 31
      +3
      Quote: Mera Joota
      In the figure on the tower an anti-aircraft machine gun which clearly speaks of the habitability of the tower. Or the drawing has nothing to do with reality.

      This photo clearly shows the remotely controlled module with the "Kord" machine gun ... (clickable)
  5. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 22 November 2015 11: 53
    +2
    Very mobile and interesting option! It can easily change the place of deployment over long distances. In Syria today is very much in demand! Middle Eastern countries should be very interested in such a development.
  6. shelva
    shelva 22 November 2015 11: 57
    +1
    The base can be caterpillar - it does not matter. A good continuation of Acacia and Hyacinth.
  7. Alex1977RUS
    Alex1977RUS 22 November 2015 11: 59
    +5
    Quote: I readNews
    What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

    Cheap, maintainability is higher, the resource is longer, the fuel supply in the course is usually more.
    Drivers of lower qualification. This is the same truck. Not the driver of the tracked vehicles, but the truck driver)))
    Caterpillar chassis is advantageous to use where you need equipment operating in conjunction with tanks,
    able to act together with them. If it’s quite simple - capable of driving where the tank is, at the same speed, and ideally unified by chassis. The same spare parts, fuel, ARVs, trained technicians ... But on the basis of MBT it is still expensive to make self-propelled guns. Therefore, we mainly MTLB, used, a very successful chassis turned out.
    In other cases, economically and in terms of logistics, a wheeled chassis is preferable.
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 22 November 2015 12: 00
    +3
    The picture is purely conventional, isn’t this a tool?
    1. Artyom
      Artyom 22 November 2015 12: 17
      +4
      I think they’ll put it on this base.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 22 November 2015 18: 42
        +1
        Quote: Artyom
        I think they’ll put it on this base.

        The new armored tractor KamAZ-78504 with the formula 8x8. At KAMAZ, 3 platforms for various purposes were created right away. These are truck and ballast tractors with an 8 × 8 wheel arrangement with a loading capacity of 90-165 and 75 tons, respectively. As well as a 12-wheeled platform with a lifting capacity of up to 50 tons, which will be the carrier of mobile dormitories, communication centers, command posts, headquarters and combat duty support posts.
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 22 November 2015 12: 22
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      The picture is purely conventional, isn’t this a tool?

      like the Serbian NORA B-52. has nothing to do with the "Coalition"

      pictured modification of NORA B-52K1
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 22 November 2015 18: 36
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      The picture is purely conventional, isn’t this a tool?

      Serbian self-propelled self-propelled gun NORA B-52
  9. Urals
    Urals 22 November 2015 12: 06
    +2
    It seems to me that a caterpillar move is for itself, and wheels will be exported. But what kind of KAMAZ lobby is it? Does the flimsy chassis hurt?
    1. Artyom
      Artyom 22 November 2015 12: 13
      +4
      Old Man is bulling, so we decided to do it on our own chassis.
  10. pts-m
    pts-m 22 November 2015 12: 11
    +1
    Cool device! the most profitable option, provided that in the regions where it will be used there should be KAMAZ civilian trucks, so that, if necessary, they should expropriate interchangeable engine parts, transmission parts from them.
  11. Sergei 67
    Sergei 67 22 November 2015 12: 13
    +1
    Under it MZKT just right.
  12. slaw14
    slaw14 22 November 2015 12: 14
    +2
    It has long been no secret that the transfer to a wheeled platform is carried out at the request of the UAE. At one time, the "Shell" was also on the tracks. The Kamaz platform is also the choice of Arab buyers.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 22 November 2015 12: 42
      +5
      Quote: slaw14
      At one time, the "Pantsir" was also on the tracks. The Kamaz platform is also the choice of Arab buyers.

      "Pantsir-C1" was originally supposed to be installed on various chassis and carriers. there were the first options on the chassis of BAZ, Ural, etc. for the UAE "Pantsiri" were installed on the "foreign" MAN chassis, the Algerian ones were installed on the Kamaz chassis ...
      1. tol
        tol 22 November 2015 13: 19
        +6
        That's right, photo from the factory
  13. smith7
    smith7 22 November 2015 12: 14
    +4
    Quote: seos
    Based on a civil truck - cheaper

    On the basis of a civilian truck, only carry footcloths. This is an artillery system, and for its placement on a mobile platform, it is necessary to provide for a "bunch of structural elements" that fundamentally change the technical qualities of a civilian truck. Therefore, on the basis of the civilian Kamaz, a specially prepared platform was manufactured in the factory and the necessary tests were carried out to confirm the reliability of the modified civilian vehicle. All this is significantly more expensive than a serial civilian truck or, as the military say, NHN vehicles - for national economic purposes.
  14. dorward
    dorward 22 November 2015 12: 15
    +4
    Many in VO consider concepts and promising weapons from the point of view of Assad’s army. Is this right?
    I'm sure that the "good old" systems in Syria are more in demand. Both from the point of view of local knowledge of control units, repairs and application possibilities, and from a purely combat point of view.
    Or am I still wrong? Then explain.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 22 November 2015 19: 42
      0
      Many in VO consider concepts and promising weapons from the point of view of Assad’s army. Is this right?


      And there is nothing else left, for 25 years we have only concepts, pictures of promising weapons and prototypes from the parade - this is all that the Russian Defense Ministry has and, as a result, in the military. You cannot send these very concepts, pictures, and prototypes to a real war in Syria so that you can discuss how they showed themselves there against even outdated US weapons ...
      And the old models of the 80s are no longer relevant as they are not updated, all of their weaknesses are known to the enemy, and the CIA bandits have enough new weapons of the 90s for the technology of the 80s. T.ch. Junk discuss hopelessly, pointlessly and discussed 101 times ...
      So they rumble around in a circle rumors, domestics and tales ...
  15. smith7
    smith7 22 November 2015 12: 26
    +3
    Quote: Bone
    Thanks to innovations, only in recent years, our army seems to be the most modern in the world !!!

    Don't say "Gop!" ... There are so many unresolved systemic problems in the defense industry ... and the economic policy of the Government does not at all contribute to their solution. It is not the time to panic, but there are serious fears that "bombs and shells" and "various other weapons" will soon run out. The industry plows in without unbending in three shifts. And there is no end to this rush.
  16. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 22 November 2015 12: 31
    0
    Quote: I readNews
    What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

    Cheapness.
  17. BOB044
    BOB044 22 November 2015 12: 35
    +1
    It would be easier gun Kamaz I think would have withstood the return. And he will scatter it, the base on the track is more reliable and will be more accurate. It’s not the time of arrival at the firing point.
  18. geek2101
    geek2101 22 November 2015 12: 50
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    Yeah. A platform would be more serious than Kamaz.
    Many broads cannot stand it.
    But in general - THING! laughing
    He quickly drove up, quickly flicked, quickly faded.
  19. andrewkor
    andrewkor 22 November 2015 12: 51
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    SAU DANA ot CSSR
  20. Sobi
    Sobi 22 November 2015 12: 56
    0
    as far as I know, the wheeled platform was not planned, but was imposed on the petrel in an orderly order to obtain a contract ... the wheeled coalition has long been in iron and the first instance
  21. CRASH
    CRASH 22 November 2015 12: 57
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    Why haven't they done it yet? South Africa is doing, the British are doing, and again we have undercover maneuvers?
  22. bubla5
    bubla5 22 November 2015 13: 09
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    Better your own than Italian hurna
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  24. HaKim
    HaKim 22 November 2015 14: 48
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    How much time will it take to deploy the installation?
  25. stas74
    stas74 22 November 2015 14: 49
    -1
    One can argue for a long time regarding the placement of the combat module on a wheeled chassis. Lobbying yes
    That’s how much money is needed for development. Considering the quality of the KAMAZ, the gun will not last a long time to fall apart. The combat module itself should be placed separately, like a Swedish crossbow, and not on a production platform.
  26. tinibar
    tinibar 22 November 2015 15: 35
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    Quote: lis-ik
    For example, fast transfer on public roads.

    And cheaper! ...
  27. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 22 November 2015 16: 00
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    Isn’t it easier to make a towed option?
  28. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 22 November 2015 16: 25
    +4
    Quote: stas74
    One can argue for a long time regarding the placement of the combat module on a wheeled chassis. Lobbying yes
    That’s how much money is needed for development. Considering the quality of the KAMAZ, the gun will not last a long time to fall apart. The combat module itself should be placed separately, like a Swedish crossbow, and not on a production platform.

    Well, about the KAMAZ-channel The national geographer (I hope you remember whose one) recognized KAMAZ as the strongest truck in the world. But this is a lyrical digression. But in the case, do you really think that the combat module will be located on a regular base chassis? Or Do you really think that the enterprise’s designers do not realize what kind of technical task they received and how it should be implemented? Hmm ... couch experts, they factuly on this forum.
  29. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 22 November 2015 17: 01
    +1
    Of course the wheeled chassis isn’t anywhere, but only summer or frost is normal. The most is the price and mobility and speed, a lot of pluses + weight, which means better air mobility. In principle, 25-30% can be wheeled, for export they they’re better off than on the basis of Almaty. All the same, there will be no total war, and a bunch of local conflicts of rather serious intensity, but there are NO alternatives to wheels.
  30. round
    round 22 November 2015 18: 01
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    Quote: I readNews
    What is the advantage of a wheeled platform?

    In order not to spoil the European roads
  31. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 22 November 2015 18: 32
    +2
    Can’t you do the hitch for the tractor?
    So that you don’t have to cut the platform on purpose, it’s easier to develop a trolley with a reinforced traction hitch and a standard serial tractor
  32. bubla5
    bubla5 22 November 2015 18: 45
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    With counter-battery operation, the trailer is of course simpler and cheaper, especially if lost
  33. Olegmog
    Olegmog 22 November 2015 18: 56
    +1
    At work, you have to transport different tracked vehicles
    technique. Very strong smut! Getting permission,
    traffic police escort, etc.! Placement of the combat module,
    It seems reasonable to me. 20% percent on wheels
    should be. Especially with the advent of the restless, galloping
    neighbor's side!
  34. Earnest
    Earnest 22 November 2015 20: 09
    +2
    Quote: Setrac
    Is this an ejector? Maybe a muzzle brake?

    On the muzzle - a muzzle brake, a thickening in the middle of the barrel (in the brown picture) - an ejector. An uninhabited fighting compartment does not mean an automatic refusal to eject combustion products from the bore, at least to enter the calculation to eliminate malfunctions during failures, so as not to lose time on airing.
    1. Stilet
      Stilet 23 November 2015 14: 28
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      The muzzle brake is needed to reduce the recoil of the gun - "short stroke", and this in turn reduces the load on the ramp and on the stop system. The wheelbase is several times more efficient in terms of operation than the tracked one, that is, increasing the mobility of the complex is only to our advantage. Again, from the point of view of the military budget (not the same as in Obamia) it turns out as efficiently as possible at relatively low costs. soldier
  35. marder4
    marder4 22 November 2015 21: 13
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    interesting - at the parade show?
  36. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 22 November 2015 21: 20
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    Class! And the asphalt is intact and the targets hit. Powerful gun!
  37. samoletil18
    samoletil18 22 November 2015 22: 25
    +1
    Wheels instead of tracks! Rezun-Suvorov is already writing something.
  38. berkut9737
    berkut9737 22 November 2015 22: 51
    -1
    Testing the wheel version of the "Coalition"

    I wouldn't be surprised if a flying version of the Coalition appears. smile Probably, the flying version already exists, but is classified.
  39. Dmitriy42
    Dmitriy42 23 November 2015 01: 53
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    To pay for electricity in 2 times less real! I advise absolutely everyone to familiarize themselves with this article from an electrician with 20 years of experience sh.sg/save personally, I'm just really unrealistic!
  40. ayuric
    ayuric 23 November 2015 06: 16
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    Quote: opus
    Quote: IS-80
    I wonder how much it all increases the cost of the car. Will the cabin be standard unarmored?

    Who will tell the military?
    Tire inflation system for UAZ HUNTER 1 990 €
    Central lubrication from 180 € (for truck)
    heater from 1 990 € (for truck)
    fuel filter heating from 80 €
    PPC and others up to + 40% of the cost base standard PPC (for MAN)
    The reinforced frame at MAN costs from + 15% (8x4 container ship and 8 X4 dump truck / concrete mixer) to the cost of the frame
    well and so on wink

    Well, multiply by XX, since this will go with the acceptance of 5-7 or 9, the price tag increases automatically at times what
  41. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 23 November 2015 06: 31
    +1
    Cool stuff
  42. Balagan
    Balagan 23 November 2015 08: 39
    0
    And the calculation of how many people? Well, the driver - time. The commander is two. Is the gunner separate or is the commander doing all this? In principle, if you make an sensible commander’s seat, the good place in the cockpit allows - two people per calculation - it’s enough. Two fighters instead of 4-5 in classic self-propelled guns are a curious option.
  43. Alekseits
    Alekseits 23 November 2015 09: 02
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    good "Our slogan should be one:" More goods, good and different. " yes
  44. Wolka
    Wolka 23 November 2015 09: 13
    0
    But is it worth it to fence in the garden, may be puzzled by the creation of high-precision rackets ground-to-ground of the appropriate range ...
  45. _KM_
    _KM_ 23 November 2015 10: 35
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    A howitzer on a wheeled chassis is a good idea. The car is mobile, has no overall restrictions when driving on public roads, is economical, etc. But it seems to me that KAMAZ is not very suitable as a carrier. Not everything is going smoothly with reliability, reliability, etc. And there are a lot of imported components. In addition, again IMHO, KAMAZ can not stand the shots. What is needed is not just a subframe for installing the tower, but a special platform that isolates the frame of the machine from weapons. I think that the MAZ / MZKT chassis is more promising in this case.
  46. Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 November 2015 10: 35
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    Any car frame has maximum weight tolerances .. It is time to switch to the technique of a separate-aggregate running system .. Reliability, load capacity, mobility ..
  47. Susul
    Susul 23 November 2015 10: 36
    0
    To all skeptics who believe that wheels are not a suitable platform for an artillery system, I want to remind you that in Russia a coastal artillery complex with the consonant name "Coast" is crawling along the Black Sea coast.
    Yes, and the Europeans and South Africa do not hesitate to put self-propelled guns on wheels.
    Here, after all, the main thing is that the chassis was initially sharpened for the system.
  48. _KM_
    _KM_ 23 November 2015 11: 20
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    The Bereg was built not on the chassis of a commercial truck, but on the chassis of a special military vehicle.
  49. ilyaches
    ilyaches 23 November 2015 11: 28
    0
    An interesting machine should work.
  50. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 November 2015 20: 10
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    If there was a howitzer on Kamaz as on Caesar, without a tower, I still believe that the truck will survive. And with an automatic loader, armor, etc. It fell apart while driving. The Swedes installed on Volvo, but not a truck, an articulated half-tractor-half-truck system.