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IMF "leaked" Ukraine and put himself in a strange position

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As expected, the IMF did not respond positively to Putin’s proposal to restructure Ukraine’s debt.


Naturally, the stumbling block was Russia's desire to receive loan repayment guarantees from the IMF or from a large European bank.



In the International Monetary Fund "expect direct discussion" between Moscow and Kiev about the Ukrainian debt to Russia. The press service of the fund confirmed this in response to a request from TASS correspondent Andrei Shitov to comment on the new statements of the head of the Ministry of Finance of Russia on this topic.

After the G20 summit, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said that Russia was ready to restructure Ukraine’s debt under the guarantee "from the United States, or the European Union, or a large bank in coordination with the Russian Federation." In this case, the Russian proposal would not create a precedent for changing the IMF policy regarding lending to countries with overdue official debt.

Alas. Both in the United States and in Europe, they are well aware of how solvent Ukraine is. And there was no one who wanted to be substituted for the payment of three billion dollars to Russia. Expected, in principle.

And being faithful to their policies, the IMF did not dare to risk such a sum. From here and frank bleating on the topic "sort it out yourself."

Frankly, there’s nothing to understand. It is clear that Ukraine will not repay this debt voluntarily. Well, or when Russian Tanks will be in Priluki. I.e never. And there is no reason to rely on European judicial institutions such as Stockholm, Brussels or The Hague. Processes will drag on for years. That only on hand to the Ukrainian authorities.

Yes, the situation is not pleasant. The amount is fair, but not lethal for Russia. Only an outspoken fool in our time could seriously consider her return. Moreover, they gave Yanukovych a debt, and since then the situation has changed, and not for the better.

The only thing that inspired hope for a return of debt is that Ukraine is firmly hooked on the European feeder. And frankly played in the topic of obtaining loans for life. In light of the fact that the IMF intends to change even its Charter in order to continue the infusion of funds into the Ukrainian economy, the prospect is not pleasant.

However, one should not forget that all changes are very closely watched by those who are interested in them no less, and maybe even more than Ukraine. We are talking about Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal, Hungary, Cyprus, Moldova. And, of course, about the pearl of the EU - Greece.

To say that the designated members of the EU have everything in order in the economy - to say nothing. And changes to the IMF Charter would have been very useful for the hands of the same Greeks. So expect. And by accepting the changes in favor of Ukraine, which is not yet a full-fledged EU member, the IMF is seriously "substituted" for the countries listed above. Because they are quite EU members (except Moldova), and they want money no less.

The game of "catching up" with the default of Ukraine continues. Whether the IMF will have time to accept all the necessary changes, or December X for the Ukraine will break through the "hour" Ch "is a matter of just a month. In any case, we will not see the peremoga.

Unpleasant, of course, but true.
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  1. papont64
    papont64 20 November 2015 06: 06
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    Should oooh !!!!!!!
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 20 November 2015 06: 43
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      Quote: papont64
      Should oooh !!!!!!!

      It will have to sue ... for a long time.
      And the United States and the IMF, at this time, will do everything so that the word "default" is not spoken aloud for as long as possible and will simultaneously feed 404 loans.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 20 November 2015 08: 52
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        Quote: GRAY
        It will have to sue ... for a long time.
        And the USA and the IMF, at this time, will do everything

        Yes, the courts here are not at all the main part of the aircraft. Any court matters only when both the plaintiff and the defendant are ready to execute his decision at least voluntarily, even if forcibly.
        Refusal to pay Ukraine debt is: refusal of any economic cooperation with the Russian Federation, refusal of most private investments, inclusion of a meter. And you can get more than 3 billion from Ukrainian migrant workers.
        They themselves will offer to return, because not to pay - it’s more expensive for yourself.
        We have settled the issue of royal debts, although how many years have passed.
        1. gas113
          gas113 20 November 2015 12: 59
          31
          Isn't it time to step on the calluses of "our Ukrainian partner"? To begin with, the transfers would be blocked to Ukraine, well, the rest of the bunch of sanctions ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 21 November 2015 01: 35
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            Quote: gas113
            To begin with, the transfers would be blocked to Ukraine, well, the rest of the bunch of sanctions ...

            The topic with translations is generally very interesting in terms of the productivity of negotiations with "younger unreasonable brothers". Here the representative of one of our former fruit republics somehow strongly showed off - we won’t decide what we want, then we decide where we want to go, yes independent and self-sufficient, Europe in general ... And we have one third of GDP - transfers of migrant workers from Russia. And to block? What will they live on? And it is justifiable to Russia's interests - with what fright money, instead of working in the country, flows abroad? And this does not apply to one individual banana republic, but to all whose guest workers travel around Russia.

            Yes, often "guests from the south" do work that Muscovites, for example, do not want to do. And how did you get along without them before democracy? Who worked as janitors, bus drivers? By the way, in the markets and then the same stood. But there were no "oglu" bankers, the horsemen did not beat supercars in Moscow, and let someone tell me that crime has no nationality - I will send it to watch crime news on TV ...

            "Guests from the South" in Russia were always and everywhere. Only earlier they sold carnations and apricots and left home. And now the auls are coming here and "Russians" who do not know the Russian language are bred. Expansion....

            I am always happy to be a hospitable host, but not when the guests are dying table silver, they move the furniture to their taste and start yelling their songs when the owners want to sleep. How is it about your charter and someone else’s monastery?

            And take the topic of migrant workers, but take a closer look at it - you can give any "neighbor" so that your mother does not grieve! Imagine only that now a certain number of builders, market sellers, minibus drivers and prostitutes will come to Kuev and tell the local authorities - give us money, because of you from Russia they have flooded us ... More people will gather on the Maidan than two years ago ... And they will be angrier ...
            1. spiriolla-45
              spiriolla-45 21 November 2015 12: 04
              -4
              They will be evil, but only angry at us. In short, Russia will again be to blame, there is no other way.
            2. pavel_SPB
              pavel_SPB 22 November 2015 19: 05
              0
              Ukraine has never lived as badly as under Putin)
      2. Azitral
        Azitral 20 November 2015 09: 01
        +4
        Will not. Long ago they would give at least a trillion dollars, but the danger is too great that 404 will BUY any real resources with this money. It is believed that even 70-100 billion dollars in excess of the current level, thrown into the real sector, can cause a collapse of the economy according to the "inflationary" scenario. Therefore, they cannot "print" themselves bucks to increase the defense budget. Therefore, a serious war is unlikely: "Credit" trillions will collapse into the real economy and prices for any product will soar tenfold and higher. Japan, Ireland or Great Britain can be given purely for "restructuring", but in the case of Ukraine, the risk is too great.
      3. avt
        avt 20 November 2015 10: 02
        45
        Quote: GRAY
        It will have to sue ... for a long time.

        To whom? Now I'm starting to get bored
        And you can’t count on European judicial institutions like Stockholm, Brussels or The Hague. Processes will drag on for years.
        conversations for general. I have a very specific question for the author, especially if the site swung, "at William of our Shakespeare" - the creation of an economic application - And how is the loan actually drawn up? Well, at least the author knows approximately? I don’t know for sure, but I heard that this loan is kind of like is furnished with the obligations of either the Irish or even some Naglo-Saxon exchange. Why am I? And the fact that in case of non-payment of the main debt by Ukraine - default, for a mink coat of 1000000 thousand rubles, the administration of the Bolshoi Theater will have to pay ", that is loan guarantors, in everyday terms. But they already have their own promissory notes - Eurobonds will be collected from Kiev through the court. But then the boom comes out huge and it's not even that December 20 comes, the debt immediately becomes COMMERCIAL and dries up by 20% for the one who pays it to Russia for Ukraine, like now all commerce, with the prospect of payment in ... the twentieth year This is the prospect of paying here and now and even if with an installment plan of 3 yards in three years, and getting it ... or maybe it will get it in ... the twentieth year, hell without vodka, international financial institutions "do not smile at the prospect of keeping velikoukrov, like Russia since 1991, throwing grandmothers irrevocably into the furnace. Hence the usovskoe agency soared - "You have no right! Senior ordered!" It stated that it assumes ...... the right to determine the sovereign debt to Russia ..... commercial! wassat Like, get in line and get Mr. Putin like everyone minus 20% and in .... the eleventh year. laughing That's something like this, I, not an economist a gram, heard the version on the tram. I would love to hear another. I will make a reservation right away - yesterday I already had a conversation a la
        And you can’t count on European judicial institutions like Stockholm, Brussels or The Hague. Processes will drag on for years.
        , Roman. Don’t be offended - it’s a very common version, especially among Putin’s loyalists - the guard of patriots. So if you want discussions, say the point. Do not own specific information and my version is not professional, I do not like it, put down the cons, but don’t ask questions, I won’t answer.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 20 November 2015 10: 34
          +5
          Quote: avt
          will have to pay the administration of the Bolshoi Theater

          Strong. Interesting version.
          We will see how it goes (with the interest of an entomologist smile ).
          1. avt
            avt 20 November 2015 10: 48
            +9
            Quote: GRAY
            Interesting version.

            Interesting. Especially if we take into account how immediately after the "revolution of hydration", the state debt obligations of Ukraine began to buy for a pittance through oligarchs different "Franklin Templestones" from the Rothschilds, they, for a second, rule the property of Poros and the confectionery production in Lipetsk in particular, and through USA GOVERNMENT GUARANTEES, IMF credited Ukraine. That is, in a simple way - the money of the IMF and the EU through credit tranches merged to a PRIVATE fund in San Francisco. Where did Yaresko, looking after this share, actually went, and where the concept of a commercial debt, writing off 20%, was actually accepted, well, there is no way to skim in a brazen way, and pay in ... the twentieth year. That is, the operation ends. And then Russia gets out with a SOVEREIGN credit! Hence all these screams, starting with Karasev that Putin PERSONALLY gave a loan to Ssynukovich PERSONALLY in a suitcase, before Yaytsenyukhsky - Russia was late wassat as everybody wassat We will not transfer our debt to a commercial SOVEREIGN debt. laughing
        2. Simple
          Simple 20 November 2015 10: 42
          +4
          Quote: avt
          heard in the tram version



          This is where such trams live, where for 20 cents you can get advice
          on a sore point? lol
        3. Roman Skomorokhov
          20 November 2015 11: 12
          16
          Quote: avt
          And how is the loan actually arranged? Well, at least approximately the author knows? I don’t know for sure, but I’ve heard that this loan seems to be framed not by the Irish, or by any other Nglo-Saxon stock exchange.


          How to buy, you can read, for example, here.
          http://www.studfiles.ru/preview/435612/

          If education is enough to tread through it all. Just in case I asked for help from a more knowledgeable person. Kitchen, so to speak, difficult to understand.

          The main message: the stock exchange that sold Eurobonds is not responsible for them. It takes them into account (profitability, etc.), ratings, etc.

          Moreover, Ukraine and the West had to shove for a long time on the topic that the Ukrainians really wanted to give it up as a commercial deal. That is, remove the responsibility of the state. But - did not work.

          Quote: avt
          a very common version, especially among putinslivikov - karaulpriotov.


          I'm not a slicker, but that's a fact. To seek justice in Europe is nonsense. The Yukos affair showed this very clearly.
          1. avt
            avt 20 November 2015 11: 47
            +6
            Quote: Banshee
            . Just in case, I turned to a more knowledgeable person for help. The kitchen, so to speak, is difficult to understand.

            It will be interesting to know an opinion, but please, not at all about Eurobonds, but about a specific case of this loan agreement under which these Ukrainian state bonds were issued.
            Quote: Banshee
            The main message: the exchange that sold Eurobonds does not bear any responsibility for them.

            Again
            Quote: avt
            I, not a single economist,

            An interesting question is the insurance of the transaction, rather than holding bonds through the exchange.
            Quote: Banshee
            . It takes them into account (profitability, etc.), ratings, etc.

            This is all interesting if you trade them like the same ukry and to understand how to get a gesheft "Tempelstones"
            Quote: avt
            immediately after the "revolution of hydrology", the state debt obligations of Ukraine began to be bought for a pittance through the oligarchs, various "Franklin Templestones" from the Rothschilds

            That is, there was, and is, a concrete gesheft of commercial structures for transferring real money through the state budget of Ukraine with the desire to record the profit on yourself, and record the loss on Ukraine. And the GDP for selling bonds at commercial prices at a discount in the negative did not stutter! I simply suggested restructuring the payment of an array of debt for three years with the provision of guarantees for serious international or state players, these derivatives issued to him could allow him to get money at the market right away - the same 3 yards, but today. And the prospect of recovering money from Ukraine is left to the current patrons. so if there was a real desire to save Ukraine, Lagarde would write a check without looking at 3 yards, God knows what money the Fed is for them.
            Quote: Banshee
            Moreover, Ukraine and the West had to shove for a long time on the topic that the Ukrainians really wanted to give this out as a commercial deal. That is, remove the responsibility of the state.

            laughing There was no need to shove and fuss about GDP from any side. All the more so with ukry - they puffed, shouted, but paid interest on the Russian loan, yes - the current owners probably tried to put the squeeze on GDP to transfer debt into commercial, but not Ukrainians. Yes, in fact, the very, writing off "20% and a deferral of payment for ... the twentieth year to commercial holders of Ukraine's debt means only one thing - the pyramid of receiving a gesheft through the interest of Ukraine's public debt with the IMF under USA guarantees, notice how the scheme for extracting money is looped - NOT ONE EXTRA The PLAYER, only his own hand, the lord, came to an end - then only the costs. It became necessary to bring down. But the Rothschilds and even Tsoros are not Mavrodi, they will not knock down, they will bring down the pyramid, in this case Ukraine through the war. Well, not the first time in Stories then.
            1. avt
              avt 20 November 2015 11: 54
              +9
              And more
              Quote: Banshee
              t. Seek justice in Europe - nonsense. The Yukos affair showed this very vividly.

              laughing Firstly, “All is not lost my falcons!” Everything is just beginning - remember the old Sudanese Jew with his “Leg”. Secondly - "Only when everyone dies, only then the Big Game will end," and a loan with its write-off, restructuring, receipt in full with interest and a penalty on late payments is the Player's move in the Game, and not just getting a gesheft in material, monetary equivalent. Of course, it's good when the political move coincides with material acquisitions on a national scale. "So let's drink to our desires coinciding with our capabilities!" laughing
          2. andj61
            andj61 20 November 2015 15: 25
            +3
            Quote: Banshee
            I'm not a slicker, but that's a fact. To seek justice in Europe is nonsense. The Yukos affair showed this very clearly.

            Example with the Yukos affair - not very good! There, ourself and voluntarily agreed to arbitration. It was impossible to immediately understand that arbitration would be biased? And now it is extremely difficult to get rid of the legitimacy of an arbitration decision.
            Putin's proposal on the payment of the debt by installments, subject to a guarantee from the United States, the European Union or an "authoritative international financial organization" is pure trolling of our Western "partners" - I am sure of this. Hardly any of them will agree to this. The question will now arise in a different way: either Ukraine's default "directly", that is, in its pure form, or our "partners" will send our interests in this matter to hell and will change the rules as the game progresses. Actually, gentlemen are different in this - if they cannot get benefits and winnings according to the current rules, then so much the worse for these rules!
            1. raivolo
              raivolo 23 November 2015 03: 32
              0
              as in a joke, it is customary for gentlemen to take a word. - HERE HERE MAP AND POPER
          3. Private Starley
            Private Starley 20 November 2015 22: 03
            +1
            I would like to note that the loot fell off for the Mistrals and if I didn’t miss anything, then Ukraine is supplied with gas only after prepayment, there is such an assumption that the debt can be repaid, when and how is it another matter, the GDP offered the West an option in which he could save his face, but the West does not care to harness for assholes, and these mentally ill Ukrainians are trying to count on something ... In general, in this whole story, the devil will break his leg, who and where and what ends put ... And so, in between, cruise missiles already fired from the Mediterranean Sea, for the sake of fear ... And if you look at everything about everything from the side, the whole picture as a whole, it comes to mind that just a new redivision of Europe and the Middle East has begun, they’re big uncles, and shohs, since jackals can only pull up ... so that we keep our fingers crossed so that the case would burn out in our favor, since we shaking the air in no way affect the situation ...
        4. Cherdak
          Cherdak 20 November 2015 12: 37
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          Quote: avt
          And how is the loan actually issued?


          On December 20, 2013 Ukraine issued Eurobonds for $ 3 billion with a maturity in 2015 and a coupon rate of 5%. Securities were sold at a price of 100% of face value with a yield of 5%.
          The placement was organized by VTB Capital. Private placement of bonds with a par value of $ 200 thousand was carried out on the Irish Stock Exchange. The maturity period is 2 years.


          A small digression:

          There are no (other than occupational) leverage over Kiev. We can hardly do anything. This is the same situation that we had in 1998 with GKO NZ. What then could lenders do? Nothing. There is no money, that's all.

          Experience shows that in the case of sovereign default, litigation is futile. As Mr. Gerashchenko told us to creditors in 1998: “Sign what you have, otherwise you won’t get anything at all.” Moreover, Ukraine may set retaliatory demands for the Crimea. They believe that they lost it and suffered financial losses, which we must compensate.

          Total debts of Ukraine - more than 50 billion dollars. And the largest lenders are American funds, and the share of Russia is only 6% of this. Most likely, this money will not be returned to us. Ukraine breaks economic relations with us, but at the same time claims that Russia remains the market for their products (!!!).

          We can not influence Kiev in terms of debt repayment. There is practically no state property of Ukraine on the territory of the Russian Federation, therefore there is nothing to confiscate.

          I doubt that we will get our money back.

          And there is also a corporate debt of 25 billion and it concerns Oschadbank, Ukreximbank, Naftogaz and other entities!

          Such is life "according to European rules" with American leadership.
          And this still does not reach the "liberal heads" in the government.
          And this is sad.
          1. avt
            avt 20 November 2015 12: 56
            +3
            Quote: Cherdak
            And there is also a corporate debt of 25 billion and it concerns Oschadbank, Ukreximbank, Naftogaz and other entities!

            I don’t speak a single gram for corporate debt.
            Quote: Cherdak
            There are no (other than occupational) leverage over Kiev.

            “You have no methods for Kostya Soprykin.” That is, you don’t know the name of Kondrat Filimonovich, who insures the loan, as well as the conditions of insurance.
            Quote: Cherdak
            . This is the same situation that we had in 1998 with GKO NZ. What then could lenders do? Nothing. There is no money, that's all.

            That's just not necessary for vopche. Then, with pieces of paper from Kozlov, who was killed after a football get-together on Oleny Val, a classmate by the way Prokhorov and Khloponin, who OBLIGED to have commercial banks in Russia in the authorized capital, they were thrown at them by internal commerce, OWN and even more bourgeois, Tolik warned ahead of time and paid in full .That is, in fact, a specific scam was organized, almost the same with a game of default, which Franklin Tempolstone and Tsoros are doing NOW in Ukraine. And indeed, in Russia, many investors really got burned, as holders of corporate debt of Ukraine will burn out in time. So if you want to give an example - let’s be specific in details, but for the US funds I have already said everything.
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 20 November 2015 13: 44
              +1
              Quote: avt
              Just do not need for vopche.


              The Government of Ukraine announced that they did not have the text of the loan agreement dated December 17, 2013, according to which Russia should provide tranche to Ukraine in the amount of $ 15 billion. Kiev emphasizes that there is no documenting of this loan both in the presidential administration and in other authorities of Ukraine. http://novayagazeta-ug.ru/news/u2688/2014/04/03/50107
              1. avt
                avt 20 November 2015 14: 12
                +5
                Quote: Cherdak
                The Government of Ukraine announced that they did not have the text of the loan agreement dated December 17, 2013, according to which Russia should provide tranche to Ukraine in the amount of $ 15 billion.

                laughing laughing Well, thank you ! good Have fun! I honestly say - it somehow passed me by. But honestly - class! laughing ,, Ends, ends .... Ends into the water! " laughing
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 20 November 2015 22: 52
                +1
                Quote: Cherdak
                The Government of Ukraine stated that they did not have the text of the loan agreement of December 17, 2013

                Well, Duc, any contract in two, at least, exemplars is signed .. I mean only that Moscow has its own "copy" for sure .. I can't help but eat yes

                And the approach itself is funny, of course .. like, I owed the jar, but lost the contract. And it seems like it should not now laughing
        5. Stena
          Stena 20 November 2015 22: 00
          +1
          Quote: avt
          And how is the loan actually issued?

          Absolutely right question. And about hedging - also a big question. After all, it is not necessary to insure yourself with the appointment of a guarantor, they could have done this with other securities - options, etc. We do not know anything. Therefore, all our conclusions are fortune-telling on coffee grounds ... =)
        6. alexej123
          alexej123 20 November 2015 22: 59
          +1
          I really liked the expression "NAGLOSAKSONSKAYA" - a class and the most apt definition, PLUS.
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        8. demel2
          demel2 21 November 2015 18: 03
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          Not not Ireland, Britain.
      4. Dr. Livesey
        Dr. Livesey 20 November 2015 10: 03
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        Quote: GRAY
        It will have to sue ... for a long time.
        And the United States and the IMF, at this time, will do everything so that the word "default" is not spoken aloud for as long as possible and will simultaneously feed 404 loans.

        Let them feed. The Ukrainian default, in principle, is of no interest to anyone, in fact, the country is already in a state of default, but if anyone cares about it, then only ordinary citizens of Ukraine. If you remember, there was a default in Russia too, but this did not turn into a collapse of the country. The fact that the loan for the "square" will actually be a gift, I think, was also assumed by our rulers at the stage of allocating these funds. Therefore, the most important thing, in my opinion, is something that for some reason many did not mention, but citizen Skomorokhov finally voiced - how the IMF will react to the Ukrainian default. Making loud statements about changing the Charter is one thing, but accepting and legally formalizing these changes is quite another. And no matter how Western "partners" try to pretend that these changes do not mean anything to them, in fact they would really not want to change the Charter and create a precedent. That is why the US appeals to the Russian Federation to restructure the Ukrainian debt have sounded more and more insistently. After all, the IMF is one of the important instruments of American financial control over the world, and changing the charter for the sake of Ukraine is fraught with very significant reputational costs for the fund. Other borrowing countries will surely raise the question of how they are worse than some Ukraine? And some of the creditors will think about whether it is worth lending money, if the principle - "borrow and give" is no longer so obvious. They changed it once, they will change it another, then the third ... But the whole "beauty" of the rules is precisely in their inviolability. I think, therefore, the Russian Federation should not even "stutter" about restructuring, but calmly wait for the Ukrainian default and further "gestures" of the IMF and its "protectors". I am sure that a negative effect will appear for them, even if not in a month or a year, but it will be.
        1. yvk-evg
          yvk-evg 20 November 2015 12: 40
          +1
          No other borrowing country will raise the question of why they are worse than the Ruins! In any case, all these Greece, Bulgaria and other Romanians will have to be silent in a rag. They and everyone else will be explained everything as with Kosovo - a special and exceptional case!
          1. Dr. Livesey
            Dr. Livesey 20 November 2015 14: 44
            +4
            Quote: yvk-evg
            They and everyone else will be explained everything as with Kosovo - a special and exceptional case!

            It’s good that you remembered about Kosovo. In my opinion, in terms of the situation with this education, it is just possible to draw a parallel with the current choice that the IMF faces. Then the Western rulers-hypocrites decided to change the rules of the order established after WWII and recognized Kosovo as an independent state. Decided to give independence to the Kosovars? Get the independence of the Crimea with further entry into the Russian Federation. Who knows, adhere to the West with reverent international rules of the world order always and everywhere - would the Crimean peninsula become Russian? Indeed, the PRECEDENT is such a slippery thing - a double-edged sword. They want to change the established lending rules of an international organization ?! Let them change! But who knows - will such a change turn into a time bomb laid under the foundation of this organization?
            1. yvk-evg
              yvk-evg 20 November 2015 15: 26
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              The precedent from Kosovo is the result of the Crimea. I agree, but from the part. The precedent with the Ruin does not imply any results for Greece, Bulgaria and other Romanians - their gut is thin. Only one who is in the orbit of Russia or from the BRICS can decide on this (and that is not a fact).
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      5. Lenin
        Lenin 20 November 2015 21: 13
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        Quote: GRAY
        Quote: papont64
        Should oooh !!!!!!!

        It will have to sue ... for a long time.
        And the United States and the IMF, at this time, will do everything so that the word "default" is not spoken aloud for as long as possible and will simultaneously feed 404 loans.


        YES DO NOT JUDGE. EVERYTHING ELECTRICALLY IF RUSSIA SHOULDS THE IMF JUST DO NOT REFUND A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO THE REPAYMENT OF THE UKRAINIAN DEBT ... hi
        P \ S WE ALSO HAVE PROBLEMS, WE ARE FIGHTING FOR TERRORISM FOR EVERYONE.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 20 November 2015 22: 59
          +1
          Quote: Lenin
          IF RUSSIA SHOULDS THE IMF, IT IS SIMPLY NOT TO RETURN A SPECIFIC AMOUNT TO THE PAYMENT OF THE UKRAINIAN DEBT ...

          1. Russia has long been should not IMF
          2. You have a caps fuse, hike wink
      6. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 20 November 2015 21: 58
        0
        Ahahaha. What money !!!! F furnace them. Without paying a favor, the Bandera members show everyone that everything can be removed from them. And they will take them off. And whoever does not want to pay, will immediately become "ardent Russian". You want to eat.
      7. edge
        edge 22 November 2015 06: 41
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        Quote: GRAY
        And the United States and the IMF, at this time, will do everything so that the word "default" is not spoken aloud for as long as possible and will simultaneously feed 404 loans

        the main idea is to educate the parasite and hang it on the neck of Russia or Europe (to destroy and ruin it to zero, then spend it and restore it ....), but if on a macro scale the German-Jewish project comes to an end. Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia ..... will be eliminated (who needs thieves, ub ... ki and parasites?)
    2. Mowgli
      Mowgli 20 November 2015 07: 15
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      Quote: papont64
      Should oooh !!!!!!!


      What such a favor ?!
      Yaytsenyukh has already said: "I just want to explain to our neighbors and the aggressor state: we will not pay $ 3 billion."

      So it is necessary to bankrupt.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 20 November 2015 08: 39
        +3
        To say that I do not like the whole story of the Ukrainian debt is to say nothing. When our officials have already learned how to save the money of Russian taxpayers and will not give out to anyone, God knows. Actually, you need to do this ... http: //www.sdelanounas.ru This is wise!
      2. SSR
        SSR 20 November 2015 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: Mowgli
        Quote: papont64
        Should oooh !!!!!!!


        What such a favor ?!
        Yaytsenyukh has already said: "I just want to explain to our neighbors and the aggressor state: we will not pay $ 3 billion."

        So it is necessary to bankrupt.

        Well, the citizens of Ukraine who hung out freely in the spring and summer in Russia, were returned to their homeland in the winter, they sensed the difference, now let them drive their kulalop themselves.


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      3. the most important
        the most important 20 November 2015 09: 03
        +1
        Quote: Mowgli
        So it is necessary to bankrupt.

        It's easier to put to sleep, so that she herself does not suffer and does not torment others!
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 20 November 2015 16: 14
          +1
          What are you? What kind of euthanasis would I not suffer? This is not for a European country! This is inhumane! Do not let torment before death!
      4. Sharky
        Sharky 20 November 2015 09: 25
        +5
        The debt must be taken by the lands, since there is no money.
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 20 November 2015 23: 06
          +1
          Kemsk volost.
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      5. avt
        avt 20 November 2015 10: 05
        +5
        Quote: Mowgli
        Yaytsenyukh has already said: "I just want to explain to our neighbors and the aggressor state: we will not pay $ 3 billion."

        What actually he said about the interest on the loan and ....... paid regularly and on time without delay. laughing
    3. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 20 November 2015 11: 59
      +7
      Tsar Yeremey ended badly. laughing laughing
    4. Sid.74
      Sid.74 20 November 2015 15: 34
      +3
      Quote: papont64
      Should oooh !!!!!!!

      Without an illustration, it somehow did not work out ...


      Meanwhile, the Finance Ministry said ...
      The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has recognized Ukraine’s debt to Russia for $ 3 billion sovereign. About it reports RIA Novosti with reference to the statement of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation.
      https://russian.rt.com/article/131409
    5. Revmirovich
      Revmirovich 20 November 2015 22: 42
      +1
      Tanks in Priluki is not a method.
      But blocking Khokhlyatsk ports is another matter.
      When the United States blocked Venezuela for default and refusal to pay, then the money was found within three days. Half the amount. And the other half was restructured.
    6. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 21 November 2015 01: 15
      +4
      Quote: papont64
      Should oooh !!!!!!!

      Let Ukraine see this finger everywhere ...
    7. vutfa
      vutfa 22 November 2015 12: 49
      0
      YOU ARE RUSSIAN SUITABLE MORE THAN NOT THE IMAGE OF A BEAR AND A DULL MONKEY, A BEAR SMART ANIMAL
    8. vutfa
      vutfa 22 November 2015 13: 05
      0
      YOU ARE RUSSIAN MONKEY APPROACHES THE BEST IMAGE, BEAR HERE WHAT ???
    9. vutfa
      vutfa 22 November 2015 13: 10
      0
      YOU ARE RUSSIAN MONKEY APPROACHES THE BEST IMAGE, BEAR HERE WHAT ???
    10. vutfa
      vutfa 22 November 2015 13: 12
      0
      YOU ARE RUSSIAN MONKEY APPROACHES THE BEST IMAGE, BEAR HERE WHAT ???
  2. Alekseev-Orsk
    Alekseev-Orsk 20 November 2015 06: 16
    17
    In any case, someday the IMF will get tired of a scacland and throw it on the sidelines of life. But for the right Ukrainians, Russia will always be to blame. And this is actually very sad.
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 20 November 2015 06: 34
      +7
      The European Union will not compensate Ukraine for losses associated with the creation of a free trade zone (FTA). This statement was made by the Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighborhood Policy Johannes Hahn.

      According to him, the European Union has already transferred enough money to the Ukrainian state so that the business is prepared for unpleasant consequences.



      More details: http://antifashist.com/item/evrokomissar-es-ne-budet-kompensirovat-ukraine-poter
      i-ot-vvedeniya-zst.html # ixzz3s00Y3TCs
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 20 November 2015 06: 46
        +2
        Quote: Voha_krim
        European Union will not compensate Ukraine for losses

        So, after all, healthy competition and an all-regulating market arm. laughing
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 20 November 2015 06: 53
      +7
      It's not even that the Ruin and its scumbags are already tired of everyone.
      You can vouch for an equal, partner, ally, etc. Ruin has always been seen as a market and a source of cheap labor, like servos. And who will vouch for the slave, especially before his opponent? Lord this is not the snout. There are no guarantees of return. If Ruin owes to the West, then it will take its land, enterprises, raw materials, etc. But nobody intends to collect all this with used and give to us.
      1. orphan 63
        orphan 63 20 November 2015 10: 51
        10
        lol Russian media managed to make sensational pictures !!!!
        At the end of the G20, in the secret room of an even more secret place, an emergency meeting of the G7 was held.





        1. ljvjdbr
          ljvjdbr 23 November 2015 05: 15
          0
          At the end of the G20, in the secret room of an even more secret place, an emergency meeting of the G7 was held.
          We decided that the sanctions would be extended.
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 20 November 2015 06: 20
    18
    Again, the evil Putin beat everyone. And the rein seemed so close.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 20 November 2015 07: 39
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Again, the evil Putin beat everyone.

      The highlight is that these 3 billion are part of the gold reserves, which Russia, in accordance with international treaties, is obliged to create by buying government bonds of "rating" countries. Through the efforts of pocket rating agencies, Ukraine, at the time of the sale of its Eurobonds to Russia, had an excellent rating))
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 20 November 2015 22: 53
        +2
        While dollars and euros (both pounds and Swiss francs) are in use in Russia, Russia will never beat the west in their financial field.
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    1. venaya
      venaya 20 November 2015 06: 45
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir71
      It is time for Ukrainians to think about selling the territory)))

      And it’s necessary to the whole, without residues, so that unnecessary stupid questions do not arise.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 20 November 2015 06: 51
        14
        Quote: venaya
        And it’s necessary to the whole, without residues, so that unnecessary stupid questions do not arise.

        For them, the best option is to relocate all the maydauns to Galicia and join, this is the case, to Poland.
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  5. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 20 November 2015 06: 22
    11
    It's time to call the collectors.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 November 2015 06: 36
      16
      It's time to call the collectors... "Polite" collectors .. smile
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  6. City
    City 20 November 2015 06: 31
    47
    Senya got it over, it's time to pay the debts. laughing
    1. Gani
      Gani 20 November 2015 07: 39
      +3
      Senya will not pay anything if he has time to get away
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 November 2015 09: 59
        0
        Senka said today on our proposal to pay off the debt that he would not pay anything.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 22 November 2015 22: 20
        0
        Until 2017, it will not wash off and Porosenko will not wash off either. They will cling to Ukraine with all their might. In 2017, the moratorium on the sale of land to non-Ukrainians ends.
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    2. mmk
      mmk 21 November 2015 06: 01
      0
      If in debt, then historical lands would be returned, and the rest (Lviv, Galicia, etc.) should this collective farm be dragged to Europe. There, they’ll just do what they love, cancer with a hoe.
  7. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 20 November 2015 06: 32
    +4
    And substitute for the payment of three billion dollars to Russia was not willing. Expected, in principle.
    In words, we are all "kings", we can do anything. But in fact, the king is naked. Where there is money there is no "friendship", there are harsh everyday life. Life is like a supermarket, take whatever you want, but don't forget the cashier is ahead.
  8. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 20 November 2015 06: 32
    25
    No matter how the EU and the USA make excuses together with the IMF, they will not repay the hohlyatsky debt to Russia - this is also clear. One thing is clear, they admit to the whole world that they are capable of throwing anyone when the need arises. A week has remained until December, and there will be a refusal of Hohland to repay the debt, the rest will prefer not to risk their money, vouching for Ukrainians and ... a new situation will arise in the world, a similar to which has not yet happened.
    1. 15ghost10
      15ghost10 20 November 2015 10: 46
      +9
      Yesterday I spoke about this on another thread.
      I think the court will not reach. Poroshenko will continue the war in the Donbas and will not return the debt for these reasons. December 7, Biden arrives in Kiev, from the New Year 7 a wave of mobilization, and the admission of foreign troops to Ukraine. Then decide for yourself what will happen.
      1. 15ghost10
        15ghost10 20 November 2015 12: 23
        +2
        who set minus justify
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 20 November 2015 19: 18
          +4
          Well, how can a small fluffy cat who just walks at the call of the soul and amusingly shits in slippers justify its minus ...
          Compensated by a plus hi
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 20 November 2015 23: 11
            +1
            And you plus for "your cat".
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 November 2015 06: 33
    +3
    to substitute for the payment of three billion dollars to Russia was not willing

    Refusing the surety, these "friends" of Ukraine once again made it clear that while they still tolerate the yellow-blue hand forever extended in their direction, but they understand that the paragraph is close. A change in IMF rules for Ukraine will really hurt the fund itself, because the countries listed by the author carefully monitor the situation.
  10. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 November 2015 06: 34
    +3
    No problem! You can torment their rulers in part of the debt as much as you like, and in between cases you can draw money out of them in other ways. For example, by the price of gas, coal, other goods and services. Where will they go from the submarine!
    1. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 20 November 2015 07: 02
      +4
      Are you talking about the people of Russia?
      As usual with the promises of our authorities?
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 20 November 2015 11: 16
        +1
        I waited all the time for the liberal troll to appear. For a long time, you see, I consulted the owners on what to beat: the "cooperation" of the authorities, or their "cooperation with the FRS". I recommend not to answer: you will regret it.
      2. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 20 November 2015 17: 20
        0
        Quote: VIK1711
        Are you talking about the people of Russia?
        As usual with the promises of our authorities?

        To provoke people to the answer came running?
      3. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 20 November 2015 17: 23
        +1
        Right now, different "stepan stepanovichi" will come running foaming at the mouth to prove that this is all nonsense and Putin is leading the country to death
  11. strelets
    strelets 20 November 2015 06: 35
    +1
    Salt their Americans. It’s cheaper to set fire to the Caucasus and Central Asia.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 20 November 2015 06: 35
    10
    Moreover, they gave a loan to Yanukovych,.. They did not give Yanukovych .. it was not a "private" loan, but gave Ukraine, when Yanukovych was president, a "state" debt .. These are two big differences, as they said in old Odessa .. And the latest news, the IMF, was removed from debt negotiations, leaving it to be decided by Ukraine and Russia .. And the conditions are simple or all at once, but in December or in installments, with interest, but under the guarantees of the West ..
  13. Sasha75
    Sasha75 20 November 2015 06: 38
    22
    What kind will give.
  14. smith7
    smith7 20 November 2015 06: 57
    0
    For a very long time, the brain of the Ukrainian people has been powdered ... Should this be the end? Are they already so brainless? Yes, it’s unlikely ... I hope that sound forces will begin to prevail in this theater of absurdity. No matter what, only people die. It's time to stop it. First of all, it is necessary to protect hohlov from Anglo-Saxon influence, and then they themselves will get out. How long ...?
    1. yvk-evg
      yvk-evg 20 November 2015 12: 19
      +1
      To begin with, it is necessary that these "healthy forces" appear in this theater of the absurd. They are not there! All the more or less active, determined and friendly with the head are on the job in Russia and Geyrope. Coming to their Ruin for weekends and vacations, they just lay back, resting with the "bubble", and wanted to spit on everything that was going on in it - they still leave to plow further. And in order to stir them up, it is necessary to deprive these "sound forces" of the opportunity to manifest their "intelligent activity" anywhere other than their Ruins. This means introducing a "mirror response" to the decision of the Ruins, prohibiting male citizens of the Russian Federation under 60 years of age (I don't remember the lower age threshold) from entering the Ruina. By any means!!! Otherwise, water will not flow under the lying stone! NEVER!
  15. F.Vastag
    F.Vastag 20 November 2015 06: 59
    +9
    Well that’s all (as prompted by the West - the States and the IMF) Yatsenyuk Officially stated: "That Ukraine will not return ANYTHING to Russia." And all these Litigation and Litigation in Western Financial Institutions (Courts) - will not lead to anything. It is necessary to Officially Recognize the DPR and LPR (within the boundaries of Donetsk and Luhansk regions) and TAKE THEM for Debts ($ 3 billion) into the Russian Federation (after severing All (Dip) relations with the Kiev Gang, which came to power as a result of the Fascist Coup. In this case, Russia (through the European Courts) Will not receive anything (no compensation) (and at least we will take it by the Territory - especially since the Referendum (in the spring of 2014) on the issue of Self-Determination was already there, and the West does not even think of removing the Sanctions (so it's worse than now will definitely not be).
    1. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 20 November 2015 13: 18
      +1
      What does your clave stick to? Why are there many capital letters? Write correctly.
      As for Lugansk and Donetsk, let’s take it for free back: they have already exploited them for 60 years, our territory and resources.
  16. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 20 November 2015 07: 00
    0
    Quote: GRAY
    For them, the best option is to relocate all the maydauns to Galicia and join, this is the case, to Poland.

    Psheks are waiting! They also have a debt repayment for the UPA!
  17. meriem1
    meriem1 20 November 2015 07: 01
    +1
    In light of the fact that the IMF intends to change even its Charter in order to continue to inject funds into the Ukrainian economy, the prospect is not a pleasant one.


    Even if the IMF revises its policy, it will not be able to continue financing Ukraine according to all international standards! No laws and agreements have retroactive effect !!! But We know Western thieves. They violate everything that they talked about yesterday, choking with saliva ... just at once. Such is the rule of law and democracy. The old Russian-LAW emerges, HOW BREATHED, WHERE I TURNED, SO IT WAS! And at the same time they tell Us .. which We are not correct? And if so, It is not easy to impose on Us your rotten through crap.
  18. cap
    cap 20 November 2015 07: 03
    0
    Quote: s.melioxin
    And substitute for the payment of three billion dollars to Russia was not willing. Expected, in principle.
    In words, we are all "kings", we can do anything. But in fact, the king is naked. Where there is money there is no "friendship", there are harsh everyday life. Life is like a supermarket, take whatever you want, but don't forget the cashier is ahead.

    Such debtors prefer to settle in the office behind the curtain.
  19. press officer
    press officer 20 November 2015 07: 09
    10
    Quote: Vladimir71
    It is time for Ukrainians to think about selling the territory)))



    a bit wrong! what Not about SALES, but about VOLUNTARY TRANSFER TO (IN THE ACCOUNT OF THE DEBT) FOR LIFETIME USE OF THE TERRITORIES OF THE COUNTRY IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ON A NON-INTERFERENCE BASIS. bully

    P.S. Hungary opened a case with the European defenders on the rights of children to kaklov, as they caught them on the sale of orphans exported from the Donbass, for prostitution! According to the citizens, they visited the places where the children from 8 years old to 12 years old were taken out of the conflict zone! am After that, foreigners uncles and aunts said that comrade Baloga (a deputy of the Rada) was trading in this case and covered by the same high-ranking officials from the country's government 404 !!!!! angry After that, European officials announced that they would publicize this and FIG them, and not entry into European Europe! hi THEY THERE ARE ALL SUCH CREATURES? am am angry
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 20 November 2015 10: 09
      +1
      Quote: press attache
      caught them in the sale of orphans exported from the Donbass, for prostitution ... comrade Baloga (deputy of the Rada) trades in this matter
      If this is confirmed, then it would be right to hang such. We need to lift the moratorium on the death penalty. How it is generally compatible with the promise to punish Sinai scumbags anywhere in the world, I do not understand.
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 November 2015 07: 14
    0
    With its proposal, the GDP "highlighted" the real state of affairs with this debt. Dill not only defaults, but aggressively climbs there, headlong, without considering the consequences. The impudence is utter, and the IMF will really have to change its own rules in order not to let this territory 404 really "around the world."
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 20 November 2015 11: 32
      0
      "and the IMF will really have to change its own rules in order not to let this territory 404 really" around the world. "
      A girl who is only one and only one time at least loses her former definition of "girl". And they treat her differently.
  21. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 20 November 2015 07: 22
    +2
    For one, to collect the country’s zarobitans from the western independence, we have them from Lviv, Volyn, Galicia, and send them to Nenko back, let the houses earn money on nat battalions. And they will not give back the debt, they feel what kind of support from the West. Easier to hammer on it. And pick up the DNI and LC for the debts, well, and still grab the south of Khokhloma.
    1. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 20 November 2015 13: 25
      +1
      DNI and LC initially ours! Therefore, it is not accurate to repay a debt to a creditor by his own property.
      New Russia is part of Russia, so let them give it to the left-bank regions of Ukraine (to choose from).
      You can throw a creditor, but only 1 time ...
  22. mamont5
    mamont5 20 November 2015 07: 49
    +1
    Quote: Mowgli
    Yaytsenyukh has already said: "I just want to explain to our neighbors and the aggressor state: we will not pay $ 3 billion."

    Here is the news then. When there is nothing to pay, it is clear that they will not. The question is, WHO and HOW will give?
  23. Wolka
    Wolka 20 November 2015 07: 52
    0
    it is scary to think "nothing to anyone", but the hour "Ch" will strike, and it will be Russia who will have to disentangle it once again, because The EU will clearly not be that, and the Yankees will even more so ...
  24. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 20 November 2015 07: 59
    +1
    debt to sell to some state bank
  25. Riv
    Riv 20 November 2015 08: 00
    +2
    The West will be extreme anyway. Well, what can come next? 3 lard presented. Ukraine will not pay. They will squeeze the gas. Theft will begin. And Europe will pay, it’s not going anywhere. However, there will be a lot of whining and snot shed unmeasured.
  26. kos2910
    kos2910 20 November 2015 08: 24
    +7
    It is a good deal. IMF will change the rules and debtors will cease to pay in large quantities! It's beautiful, the whole pyramid will begin to crumble
  27. exalex2
    exalex2 20 November 2015 08: 27
    +1
    Maybe our "government", headed by a "guarantor", can force us to return the money to the People's Welfare Fund .. From their own pockets. Then they will start thinking to whom to give. And then let them at least sue. And they have enough money, that's for sure ..
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 20 November 2015 09: 00
      +1
      That would be super excellent!
  28. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 20 November 2015 08: 28
    0
    All the time they write about Ukraine, politicians break spears about it, but the whole joke is that legally such a country does not exist. It’s just that the governments of all the countries involved in this distract the attention of their citizens from pressing problems in this difficult crisis time.
  29. EvaFerrari
    EvaFerrari 20 November 2015 08: 32
    0
    Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova, Greece and other Portugal do not receive absolutely nothing from changing the IMF charter. Yes, after changing the rules, they can apply for new loans, but the final decision is still up to the IMF, and there they can find a bunch of reasons to not give anything
  30. uizik
    uizik 20 November 2015 08: 34
    +3
    Ukraine will not repay a debt under any circumstances! We need decisive and extraordinary actions from Russia to destroy this country. Otherwise, this hemorrhoids will last forever! What is the USA so dreaming of?
  31. wild
    wild 20 November 2015 08: 37
    +6
    In the next hundred years, and do not expect the USA, EU, IMF to feed the Ukrainians only to start a war with Russia, after five years of Putin’s policy, Ukrainians with 100% grant will fall on Russia. Late then it will be screaming that viewed, it is necessary to crush reptiles on an adult.
  32. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 20 November 2015 08: 46
    0
    Quote: Alekseev-Orsk
    In any case, someday the IMF will get tired of a scacland and throw it on the sidelines of life. But for the right Ukrainians, Russia will always be to blame. And this is actually very sad.

    Like this is news ....
  33. Arms
    Arms 20 November 2015 08: 53
    21 th
    Actually, Ukraine has never lived richly. There were much poorer times. And for some reason they survived.
    So it is premature to dream of a "crash".
    ps Soon, the US court may decide on the seizure of 50 billion state property of the Russian Federation. Then it will be possible to compete with Ukraine.
    1. Comrade Bender
      Comrade Bender 20 November 2015 09: 22
      12
      And who is the USA court and on the basis of what jurisdiction is it going to seize state property?
      After all, the Russian Federation can also arrest state property and property of amersky firms. Such a law already exists.
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 20 November 2015 15: 59
        0
        Not yet finalized. There are dissatisfied. Yes with us. After all, if you do not twist, we have many American companies just register on the islands.
    2. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 20 November 2015 13: 33
      0
      maybe ... maybe .... us court ....

      loot cook !! get out does not work.
    3. alexej123
      alexej123 20 November 2015 23: 16
      0
      In your opinion, do you accept the jurisdiction of the ovsky court? Then change the checkbox. Hang up the "mattress" and salute it. So at least it will be more honest. Although honor and "mattress covers" are mutually exclusive concepts.
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    5. Orionvit
      Orionvit 20 November 2015 23: 29
      0
      Who to compete with? With Ukraine? Dear Armen, judging by your name, you weren’t standing next to the Russians, and you have relation to Russia only by the flag on your avatar. I am sure that you have never been to Ukraine, this is about "Ukraine has never lived richly. There were also much poorer times." Come here to Ukraine and see what now and who will compete with Russia.
  34. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 20 November 2015 09: 02
    +1
    Everyone understands, and in the first place, that present Ukraine will not give any debts.
    The IMF also understands this and will not guarantee either - not fools.
    Most likely, money flew by. Not by force to select them.
    Unless to take away any territory at the expense of a debt. (Dreaming).
  35. Balagan
    Balagan 20 November 2015 09: 02
    +5
    And what prevents to link this debt with gas supplies. They introduce a moratorium on debt payments, in response to a moratorium on gas supplies. It will be especially graceful - a moratorium on paid gas bully
  36. Fisman
    Fisman 20 November 2015 09: 04
    +1
    The United States will throw bones at these barkers, or set them on Russia in the future. It is clear that Ukraine will not be able to defeat the Russian Federation, but how much will the stench "Russia is the aggressor ..... KARAUL"
  37. wandlitz
    wandlitz 20 November 2015 09: 09
    0
    Burst ..... yes, the money was gone!?!?
    They will give it back, not now then. We returned the "royal debts" after many years, but we did.
  38. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 20 November 2015 09: 11
    -1
    You can rejoice for a long time on the topic of "zapadlil", but they threw us again. Like the last idiots. People call such "suckers".
  39. Morf
    Morf 20 November 2015 09: 12
    +1
    money is not money, but another undermining of the foundation of the world financial system controlled by the "unipolar" is already there
  40. Arms
    Arms 20 November 2015 09: 22
    -6
    laughing Made laugh! "Digging under the foundation ..."
    Only the rich can dig. Ba-a-alshoy shovel. And the poor - engineer.
    And the rich at the moment are the USA and the EEC.
    1. yvk-evg
      yvk-evg 20 November 2015 13: 38
      0
      In general, he has no nichrome - a piglet and for himself.
    2. alexej123
      alexej123 20 November 2015 23: 20
      0
      So you to which - to the poor or to the rich? In another way - for the truth or for who will give how much?
  41. anfreezer
    anfreezer 20 November 2015 09: 25
    +6
    In credit agreements with such "clients", it is necessary to prescribe some points in a separate line so that they do not forget laughing "Applying for a loan in a bank. The client reads a thick contract for a long time. Bank employee
    asks.
    - This is your third time reading a contract. Is there something unclearly written there, or is something bothering you?
    - Yes, in general, everything is clear, only I’m a little worried about paragraph 137 of chapter 15 of the agreement
    which "On the client's forehead with a red-hot iron, a brand with the image of the bank's logo is burned ..."
    ..... But seriously, the path of litigation does not cause optimism, for a long time, boring, but there or the paddies will die, or the donkey will die ...
  42. Mestny
    Mestny 20 November 2015 09: 38
    +1
    Quote: aleks.29ru
    You can rejoice for a long time on the topic of "zapadlil", but they threw us again. Like the last idiots. People call such "suckers".

    So you will not please.
    Whatever happens to you, everything is bad in Russia.
    So write, why waste time.
    Everything has been clear to everyone for a long time, the methods of propaganda of your masterminds have long been disassembled and recognizable from the first phrase.
    Poorly. Try better if you can.
  43. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 20 November 2015 09: 45
    +2
    Detailed comments on the "move of Russia" have already said that no one will fall for the "bait".
    And we need this.
    Second series, gentlemen ..!
  44. U-96
    U-96 20 November 2015 10: 11
    0
    The picture for the article resembled an epic scene:
    laughing
  45. atamankko
    atamankko 20 November 2015 10: 38
    0
    For a long time the whole world has understood what the junta is,
    therefore, it is necessary to speak with her firmly, and not to lisp.
    1. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 20 November 2015 13: 35
      +1
      Why talk to puppets at all? You need to talk to the puppeteer and talk to them, do not respect yourself.
  46. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 November 2015 10: 42
    +6
    Ukraine must repay the debt by December 23.
    And then NG.
    And then the entry into force of the association agreement.
    And this is minus preferences regarding the supply of Ukrainian goods to Russia.
    This is restitution and many wonderful things.
    By the way, what about the land tax increase?
    Everything seems dull too.
    So I inhaled * exhaled and look further.
    It's only begining...
    And by the way, did everyone read about changing Schengen borders?
    Another "gift" to Ukrainians, gyg.)))
  47. Urals
    Urals 20 November 2015 10: 51
    +1
    It was quite expected. Shouts about a democratic and flourishing Ukraine are one thing. And the debts of a dying patient are another. Well, as though cynically did not sound, but we are waiting for a month.
  48. Support
    Support 20 November 2015 10: 52
    +8
    It is necessary to call collectors - Tu-160, Tu-22M3, (and Tu-22M2), Rooks. I think they will give the favor. And no tears about the Aboriginal people. They are where our money is - so they are out of luck. Are they our kindred? They themselves refused us. They now have a new kin - diashizniki
    1. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 20 November 2015 13: 39
      +1
      But we don’t need blood! We’ll wait a month: and there an autopsy will show what's with the patient with the Down flag.
  49. Stinger
    Stinger 20 November 2015 11: 17
    +5
    The closer the debt repayment period, the more and more often Russia will brazenly violate the Minsk agreements. This is clear to any Euro-American.
  50. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 20 November 2015 11: 30
    +3
    Such katavasiya happens with states when the power seizes power.
    No wonder in history ...
    ... All this has been happening and has been happening for thousands of years, and all this always happens according to the same scenario. It is based on the strategy of the existence of non-Jewish nations and Jews: non-Jews live in a certain territory creating their own society, and Jews live in certain nations, i.e. Settle inside the societies already created by other peoples and live off of them, destroying them.

    The Jewish elite solves the problems of the Jewish part of the population, but they are completely indifferent to what happens to the rest of the society. Their problems are either ignored or worse. The fact is that it is rather difficult to overthrow the non-Jewish elite, take its place, and even stay there in the face of the inevitable growth of anti-Jewish sentiments (anti-Semitism, for which capital punishment is immediately imposed). But it is already easier if the whole society is "weakened", "degenerated", "degraded". Promote drugs, same-sex marriage, debauchery, women's rights, women should work like a man, and not have children and sit with them, the uselessness and harmfulness of creating families, having children, the harmfulness of labor, the benefits of idleness and entertainment, inducing drug addiction, pornography, drunkenness to non-Jews ... Let's add to this a way to divert the anger of the population, which feels that life is getting worse and worse: you can bring in non-Jewish peoples of a different nationality and set non-Jews against each other.

    Another example is the 1917 revolution. When the Jews came to power, they did not just take the place of the old elite and take control. They began the physical destruction of the entire pre-revolutionary Russian elite - the imperial family was shot, nobles were killed, the middle class (fists) were destroyed, representatives of the Russian elite were expelled from their state and turned into refugees in other countries. Those. this very clearly shows that the strategy of the Jewish people is aimed at destroying the national elites of non-Jewish nations and taking their place.
    It is worth noting here that although the Torah (Pentateuch, the ancient scrolls of 5 books, the second of which is called Shemot and the 20th chapter of this second book contains the laws transmitted to Moses by God on Mount Sinai after the expulsion of the Jews from Egypt) there is not even a hint of racism , then the modern interpretation of Judaism has a pronounced extremist-racist character. There is a clear division of people along ethnic lines into Jews and goyim (the word "goy" from the meaning of "pagan", that is, "not professing Judaism" was transformed into "not a Jew by nationality"). It is not recommended for a Jew to marry a non-Jew. Jews can deceive non-Jews. Jews can rob non-Jews if they have the power to do so. Gentiles are compared to animals in every possible way. Jewish priests must be pure-blooded Jews in 1000 tribes - there is no such thing anywhere else in other religions. In fact, Judaism is a faith only for Jews and goyim are not allowed to enter there. The only purpose of the goyim is to be slaves to the Jews. This is what God created the goyim for. As I said, the Torah, which is part of the Old Testament and is recognized in the Christian religion, has nothing to do with it. But, unfortunately, there is such a "interpretation" about the chosenness of the Jewish people and the "animal nature" of other nations that can only be slaves of the Jews.

    Someone can object that everything that happens on the outskirts does not correspond to a typical historical scenario?
    1. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 20 November 2015 13: 45
      0
      The elite turned out to be rotten: how is it possible to organize a rampant democracy during the war, demand the abdication of the commander-in-chief, cash in on supplies to the troops, wish for the loss of your army, etc.